April 03, 2014

Charles Koch Defends Himself Against the Charge of Expressing His Opposition to the Leftist Agenda
— Ace

And yes, as Brendan Eich could tell you, it's now a crime to do so.

There will be personal consequences for opposing the left. The consequences will not just be the political ones we all accept -- that is, if we lose on an issue in the normal democratic process, then we lose.

We all know to accept that as the cost of being part of the American democracy.

No, the new rules are not just that you will lose on the political point, but that you will then be hounded personally for having dared to venture a contrary opinion at all.

And no one has accepted that as part of the increasingly high cost of being an American.

I have devoted most of my life to understanding the principles that enable people to improve their lives. It is those principles—the principles of a free society—that have shaped my life, my family, our company and America itself.

Unfortunately, the fundamental concepts of dignity, respect, equality before the law and personal freedom are under attack by the nation's own government. That's why, if we want to restore a free society and create greater well-being and opportunity for all Americans, we have no choice but to fight for those principles. I have been doing so for more than 50 years, primarily through educational efforts. It was only in the past decade that I realized the need to also engage in the political process.


A truly free society is based on a vision of respect for people and what they value. In a truly free society, any business that disrespects its customers will fail, and deserves to do so. The same should be true of any government that disrespects its citizens. The central belief and fatal conceit of the current administration is that you are incapable of running your own life, but those in power are capable of running it for you. This is the essence of big government and collectivism.

More than 200 years ago, Thomas Jefferson warned that this could happen. "The natural progress of things," Jefferson wrote, "is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground." He knew that no government could possibly run citizens' lives for the better. The more government tries to control, the greater the disaster, as shown by the current health-care debacle. Collectivists (those who stand for government control of the means of production and how people live their lives) promise heaven but deliver hell. For them, the promised end justifies the means.

Instead of encouraging free and open debate, collectivists strive to discredit and intimidate opponents. They engage in character assassination. (I should know, as the almost daily target of their attacks.) This is the approach that Arthur Schopenhauer described in the 19th century, that Saul Alinsky famously advocated in the 20th, and that so many despots have infamously practiced. Such tactics are the antithesis of what is required for a free society—and a telltale sign that the collectivists do not have good answers.

Rather than try to understand my vision for a free society or accurately report the facts about Koch Industries, our critics would have you believe we're "un-American" and trying to "rig the system"...

Meanwhile, the Unleashed Left is also calling for "global warming deniers" to be prosecuted for manslaughter.

Sonny Bunch has written a post on The Illiberal Left, which is 90% of it. Though he does note one lefty, Michelle Goldberg, worrying in the Nation about the left's sudden embrace of Progressive-themed fascism.

t’s increasingly clear that we are entering a new era of political correctness. Recently, we’ve seen the calls to #CancelColbert because of something outrageous said by Stephen Colbert’s blowhard alter ego, who has been saying outrageous things regularly for nine years. Then there’s the sudden demand for “trigger warnings” on college syllabi, meant to protect students from encountering ideas or images that may traumatize them; an Oberlin facultydocument even suggests jettisoning “triggering material when it does not contribute directly to the course learning goals.” At Wellesley, students have petitioned to have an outdoor statue of a lifelike sleepwalking man removed because it was causing them “undue stress.” As I wrote in The Nation, there’s pressure in some circles not to use the word “vagina” in connection with reproductive rights, lest it offend trans people. …

At times like this, politics contract. On the surface, the rhetoric appears more ambitious and utopian than ever—witness, for example, the apparently sincere claim by Suey Park, creator of the #CancelColbert hashtag, that Twitter activists intend to “dismantle the state.” But at the same time, activism becomes less about winning converts and changing the world and more about creating protected enclaves and policing speech.

"Policing" speech is a bit of euphemism. What is objectionable here is that we have historically understood speech to be a mode of persuasion -- but that many (and more and more each day) see political "activism" to consist primarily of coercion -- intimidation, and the infliction of genuine personal harm on someone for having dared to raised his voice in opposition.

But they don't call this fascism. They call it "social justice."

Even this idiot sees the problem:

If this is the gay rights movement today – hounding our opponents with a fanaticism more like the religious right than anyone else – then count me out. If we are about intimidating the free speech of others, we are no better than the anti-gay bullies who came before us.

-- Andrew Sullivan on "The Hounding of Brendan Eich"

On the other hand, Dave Wiegel sees little problem at all.


Posted by: Ace at 02:29 PM | Comments (295)
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1 If not first, then foremost, not only for manslaughter, but also treason, and and and ... being a bad bad mans!

Posted by: claire cloggenstein, of the California Cloggensteins at April 03, 2014 02:32 PM (uopHF)

2 Bcuz yew dont know whut true freedom is, bitter clingers!!

Posted by: claire cloggenstein, of the California Cloggensteins at April 03, 2014 02:34 PM (uopHF)

3 I guess ace was right on this issue; I didn't think it would get this bad this quick.

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 03, 2014 02:35 PM (5UteM)

4 From bad to worse, and then...

Posted by: EC at April 03, 2014 02:36 PM (doBIb)

5 "Policing" speech is a bit of euphemism. What is objectionable here is that we have historically understood speech to be a mode of persuasion -- but that many (and more and more each day) see political "activism" to consist primarily of coercion -- intimidation, and the infliction of genuine personal harm on someone for having dared to raised his voice in opposition. But they don't call this fascism. They call it "social justice." Boy, that's the take home. Words are, after all, a call to action of some sort.

Posted by: Daybrother at April 03, 2014 02:37 PM (l5kCI)

6 And the Meatball gets not only stomped, but cast aside...

Posted by: Vendette at April 03, 2014 02:40 PM (JQkZU)

7 There's no justice like angry mob justice.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at April 03, 2014 02:40 PM (uhMMS)

8 Seriously what are we supposed to do about it? All we do is see stories like this every fucking day, meanwhile even the GOP wants to give amnesty to people who will vote for the people who are totally in favor of this! Media wants it, news media wants it, Hollywood wants it, American wants it or they would be voting differently. So what do we do?

Posted by: Dan at April 03, 2014 02:40 PM (COpZ4)

9 3 I guess ace was right on this issue; I didn't think it would get this bad this quick. Posted by: Dr Spank at April 03, 2014 06:35 PM (5UteM) They have been waiting to do this for a very long time.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at April 03, 2014 02:41 PM (QBPgO)

10 >>>Seriously what are we supposed to do about it? i have no idea. I personally have chosen the path of despair.

Posted by: ace at April 03, 2014 02:41 PM (/FnUH)

11 Next time I'm pulled over for speeding I'll try making everything political like the Left does. I'll first identify the power hierarchy, notify media and demand to negotiate with the trooper's upper level. Then I will refuse to cooperate until my demands are met. Nah, I'll just be polite and take the ticket.

Posted by: Daybrother at April 03, 2014 02:41 PM (MExdV)

12 Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at April 03, 2014 06:41 PM (QBPgO) Obviously. If people are allowed to dissent the masses may have the audacity to AGREE with them. How horrid would that be?

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 03, 2014 02:42 PM (HDwDg)

13 Who could have known Bob Hope would prove to be so prophetic?

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at April 03, 2014 02:42 PM (uhMMS)

14 You should totally add Jonah Goldberg's video about Social Justice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtBvQj2k6xo

Posted by: Zakn at April 03, 2014 02:42 PM (7F9i5)

15 Adios horde, I'm going to dinner and drink this shit away.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 03, 2014 02:44 PM (HDwDg)

16 She loves my Koch.

Posted by: Charles Koch at April 03, 2014 02:44 PM (bitz6)

17 So college instructors are not supposed to teach anything that may "trigger" traumatic experiences. I know this isn't coming from engineering types.

Posted by: Vendette at April 03, 2014 02:44 PM (JQkZU)

18 BTW Michigan became the 34th State to call for an Article V Amendment Proposal Convention. That is the magic number and we will see what Congress does now.

Posted by: Daybrother at April 03, 2014 02:45 PM (ENHaG)

19 Well, on the plus side, perhaps the fascists on the left have done something so fascistic as to blow up in their face and discredit them for a generation. One can only hope for a deux ex machina...but if it comes, one needs to be prepared to run with it for all it is worth, up to and including an independence movement. An armed one (though open warfare does not have to break out). Only the child getting its hand truly burned is going to drive home the lesson of not touching the stove, and allow for the American Experiment to continue in a properly resetted state.

Posted by: T. at April 03, 2014 02:45 PM (ZeL1P)

20 >>i have no idea. I personally have chosen the path of despair. Posted by: ace

I got your despair right here...
http://youtu.be/zvU4CC6s2e4

Posted by: dogfish at April 03, 2014 02:45 PM (nsOJa)

21 If we're really interested in social justice then everyone I see driving with a cell phone in their hand should be run into a ditch.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at April 03, 2014 02:45 PM (uhMMS)

22 Harry Reid's Koch habit is driving him to heights of lunacy.

Posted by: --- at April 03, 2014 02:46 PM (vaNOl)

23 Does Amazon sell Pikes?

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 03, 2014 02:46 PM (bitz6)

24 God, just let me live long enough for the pendulum to swing back. I'd love to see these bastards standing there, scrambling to put their 'tolerance' masks back on.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 03, 2014 02:46 PM (NersQ)

25 I was already weary of the h8er label just because I disagree with an opinion.  I'm glad the mask is off.  That being said, this is depressing as all get out. 

Posted by: no good deed at April 03, 2014 02:46 PM (ILBCY)

26 If people are allowed to dissent the masses may have the audacity to AGREE with them. ....and that scares them. We are living under the rule of the "cool table" rejects and we must share, embrace and live their miserable existence.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at April 03, 2014 02:46 PM (QBPgO)

27 As I wrote in The Nation, there’s pressure in some circles not to use the word “vagina” in connection with reproductive rights, lest it offend trans people. …



Cunt still works.
And it describes people also.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 03, 2014 02:47 PM (d0Dmj)

28

Anything you say can and will be used against you.

 

And nothing on the internet (FB, etc.) ever dissappears.

Posted by: tbodie at April 03, 2014 02:47 PM (Z2OIC)

29 I'd love to see these bastards standing there, scrambling to put their 'tolerance' masks back on. Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 03, 2014 06:46 PM (NersQ) No film at eleven.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at April 03, 2014 02:47 PM (QBPgO)

30 As others have said, the pushback on this will be epic.  People are well and truly tired of being pushed around by lying hypocritical  grievance-mongers.

I feel badly for the members of the offending groups that will have to suffer for the overreach of their more loudmouthed and assholish brethren, but they've been silent about said excesses ...


Posted by: acethepug at April 03, 2014 02:47 PM (IXHkZ)

31 couple this with the idea of "collective rights" and not individual liberty and this is a very very frightening time

Posted by: thunderb at April 03, 2014 02:47 PM (zOTsN)

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 03, 2014 02:47 PM (5UteM)

33 "Next time I'm pulled over for speeding I'll try making everything political like the Left does. I'll first identify the power hierarchy, notify media and demand to negotiate with the trooper's upper level. Then I will refuse to cooperate until my demands are met."

Too much work.

When I get pulled over for speeding, I just quietly flash my White Guy Card.

Then the trooper and I have a big laugh together and he lets me go with a stern "warning" that we both know is a joke. He'll go find some underprivileged person of color to give a ticket to instead.

It's great to be a White Guy!

(Insanely enough, a whole lot of the loony left _actually think it works this way_.)

Posted by: torquewrench at April 03, 2014 02:48 PM (noWW6)

34 I have long observed that you can't just be a Liberal anymore. You have to embrace every single dimwitted idea espoused by the Left, which wouldn't be so difficult except that those dimwitted ideas change daily.

Posted by: navybrat at April 03, 2014 02:48 PM (JgC5a)

35 "BTW Michigan became the 34th State to call for an Article V Amendment Proposal Convention. That is the magic number and we will see what Congress does now."

Be careful what you wish for...

Posted by: The New Bill of Rights enshrining social justice at April 03, 2014 02:48 PM (uhMMS)

36 Was gibt mit der CAC thread?

Posted by: pep at April 03, 2014 02:48 PM (4nR9/)

37 >>God, just let me live long enough for the pendulum to swing back.

Rocks don't roll uphill.

Posted by: kartoffel at April 03, 2014 02:48 PM (sWwJZ)

38 When does the "religious right "hound anybody?

Posted by: steevy at April 03, 2014 02:48 PM (zqvg6)

39 push back I really doubt it you have underestimated the brainwashing that goes on in schools, public and private, in summer camps, in some religious institutions push back forget about it

Posted by: thunderb at April 03, 2014 02:49 PM (zOTsN)

40 If we're really interested in social justice then everyone I see driving with a cell phone in their hand should be run into a ditch.
Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic



How about this as an stance. Everyone who can't drive with a cell phone in their hand should be run into a ditch.

Posted by: dogfish at April 03, 2014 02:49 PM (nsOJa)

41 Good thing the ballot is still secret.Of course if you ever donated to a conservative or even frequent conservative blogs they know who you probably voted for.

Posted by: steevy at April 03, 2014 02:49 PM (zqvg6)

42 Lutherans assault leather festival. Film at 11.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 03, 2014 02:50 PM (bitz6)

43 I think we can also lay this at the feet of Barack "stinkburger" Obama.

Others have become brazen and emboldened by his successful grievance-mongering.  He should have been slapped down hard long ago.

And someone needs to be, soon, while it can still be done without any kind of violence.

Because despite their bluster, the Left isn't going to like this new world they are creating very much.

Posted by: acethepug at April 03, 2014 02:50 PM (IXHkZ)

44 i have no idea. I personally have chosen the path of despair.

Silly boy. Get a brown shirt like the rest of us!
Fascism is fun! Rat out your neighbor before they can rat out you!
Read light-hearted material, like the Salem Witch Trials!
It's going to be a glorious Reich!

Posted by: If you can't beat them at April 03, 2014 02:50 PM (pgQxn)

45
"not to use the word “vagina” in connection with reproductive rights, lest it offend trans people."



Trigger warning!

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 03, 2014 02:50 PM (kdS6q)

46 push back

I really doubt it

you have underestimated the brainwashing that goes on in schools, public and private, in summer camps, in some religious institutions

push back

forget about it



There will always be Huns & Vikings.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 03, 2014 02:50 PM (d0Dmj)

47 And I quit hitting Facebook every day because all it has become is a venue for Soviet style denunciations of (fill in the blank here with your person/corporation/political group) du jour.

Posted by: navybrat at April 03, 2014 02:50 PM (JgC5a)

48 Christianists! Christianists! Christianists! Christianists!

Posted by: Andrew Sullivan, Intrepid Womb Reporter at April 03, 2014 02:51 PM (OZmbA)

49 I think the sun has an influence on climate.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 03, 2014 02:51 PM (bitz6)

50 There's not going to be a pushback. The GOP, and conservatism in general, has proven incapable of halting the leftward march.

Posted by: kartoffel at April 03, 2014 02:51 PM (sWwJZ)

51 Vagina is out, but Andi Sullivan wants to know if it's still okay to use "uterus" in connection with his ongoing investigation of Trig Palin's parentage.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 03, 2014 02:51 PM (8ZskC)

52 If you hate yourself go read the thread on reddit. http://tinyurl.com/mq3zloa

Posted by: Zakn at April 03, 2014 02:51 PM (7F9i5)

53 Damn, go fishing for half a day and you miss all sorts of good content.

Posted by: garrett at April 03, 2014 02:52 PM (nXFDl)

54 I don't know. I really like it when my girlfriend finds my 'trigger.'

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein's Lesbian Niece at April 03, 2014 02:52 PM (OZmbA)

55 Hysterical means wandering uterus.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 03, 2014 02:52 PM (bitz6)

56 10 >>>Seriously what are we supposed to do about it? i have no idea. I personally have chosen the path of despair. Posted by: ace at April 03, 2014 06:41 PM (/FnUH) Again, that "personal" pushback. Ace has chosen despair. I can't speak for others, however, mine is loathing.

Posted by: Seems legit at April 03, 2014 02:52 PM (A98Xu)

57 17 Vendette - YOU SAID TRIGGER OMG!!! TRIGGERS ARE A THING GUNS HAVE!!! 24 Bevel Lemelisk - nah uhn, the pendulum iz fixed to the left! for evar!! BCUZ BUSH!!

Posted by: claire cloggenstein, of the California Cloggensteins at April 03, 2014 02:52 PM (uopHF)

58 As I wrote in The Nation, there’s pressure in some circles not to use the word “vagina” in connection with reproductive rights, lest it offend trans people. … Lest it offend the very people who can no longer reproduce. Remember that the next time a lefty accuses you of being anti-science.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at April 03, 2014 02:52 PM (lr3d7)

59 It is so ironic who hounds people, bombards their facebook, hectors them at the door, calls incessantly, invades classrooms, propagandizes in text books, occupied all major cultural institutions, and "gets in their faces"? it aint the right

Posted by: thunderb at April 03, 2014 02:53 PM (zOTsN)

60 And the IRS Gestapo of the Left tactics get a trophy. Evil.

Posted by: --- at April 03, 2014 02:53 PM (qX6Xc)

61 The Fascist Thugs Win One: Firefox CEO Steps Down (Update: IRS Role Exposed)


The IRS needs to be disbanded.

Posted by: EC at April 03, 2014 02:53 PM (doBIb)

62 We're being left with fewer options to co-exist. There is going to be a reckoning.

Posted by: Kreplach at April 03, 2014 02:53 PM (gznAu)

63 Seig heil, baby. Welcome to fascism.

Posted by: MTF at April 03, 2014 02:53 PM (0Pvno)

64 If we are about intimidating the free speech of others, we are no better than the anti-gay bullies who came before us. "Bullying" was always about projection, Mr. Sullivan. Always.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 03, 2014 02:54 PM (T0NGe)

65 The Not So Gay Jihad...

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 03, 2014 02:54 PM (1cFNy)

66 Holy shit, who knocked the dick out of Sullivan's mouth hard enough to shock some sense into him?

Posted by: garrett at April 03, 2014 02:54 PM (nXFDl)

67 This is not the hill to shelter in place on.

Posted by: John Boner at April 03, 2014 02:54 PM (bitz6)

68 Well I've just replaced Firefox with Chrome... though not liking it so far

Posted by: phreshone at April 03, 2014 02:54 PM (kFxpe)

69 well, as long as there are no Aztec penes involved, I guess I am OK with it.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at April 03, 2014 02:54 PM (LWu6U)

70 "How about this as an stance. Everyone who can't drive with a cell phone in their hand should be run into a ditch."

Yeah, everybody on the road is a fucking brain surgeon whose patient will die if they can't be contacted immediately.


Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at April 03, 2014 02:55 PM (uhMMS)

71 "the infliction of genuine personal harm on someone for having dared to raised his voice in opposition."

Only certain selected someones are to be thus harmed. ("Some are more equal than others.")

When the topic comes up of what Eich did, let it be noted that his actions at least comported with the law. Whereas the black church activism in support of the very same measure, Prop 8, ripped right through that "separation of church and state" business which liberals claim to adore (Fen's Law again).

The rest of us operate in a world where it is just not done to have someone behind the pulpit of a tax-exempt church issuing frankly explicit political instructions to the congregation about how to vote. Or printing out, with untaxed church resources, things like voting guides. Hey, that's illegal! Knock it off!

The black churches have NEVER endorsed or operated under that principle. They simply ignore it. They have been doing so for decades now. And of course are never called on it, because no one wants to be accused of teh rayciss.

Normally, this suits the institutional left just fine, since nineteen out of every twenty blacks votes straight ticket Democratic. There are these occasional instances, though, such as Prop 8, where the black churches go off the reservation and their illegal campaign-support-under-color-of-religion go and do something the rest of the left don't like.

At which point the rest of the left take a deep breath and bite their tongues really hard. Because they simply can't afford to openly confront the black church about it. Those 19 out of every 20 black voters, showing up reliably and voting straight ticket for the left, are an absolutely central power bloc for Democrats, not to be dissed, ever.

So it was imperative to find someone who was safely white on whom the full dose of extra super concentrated venom could be unleashed. Hey, they found someone! Whaddaya know.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 03, 2014 02:55 PM (noWW6)

72 A House committee investigating the Internal Revenue ServiceÂ’s targeting of right-leaning groups has identified the IRS agent who leaked the confidential donor list of the National Organization for Marriage, a conservative organization that opposes gay marriage. NOMÂ’s donor list, contained in a Form 990 Schedule B, which it is required by law to file with the IRS, was obtained in March 2012 by its chief political opponent, the Human Rights Campaign, and subsequently became the subject of several national news stories that centered on Republican presidential candidate Mitt RomneyÂ’s donation to the group.

Though the House Ways and Means Committee, which began investigating the scandal in the wake of revelations that the IRS had inappropriately singled out conservative groups, has identified the individual who divulged the information as an employee in the IRSÂ’s Exempt Organizations Division, it canÂ’t divulge his name to the public or to NOM

http://tinyurl.com/k3v4t23

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 03, 2014 02:55 PM (5UteM)

73 Despair is in de trunk.

Posted by: John Boner at April 03, 2014 02:55 PM (bitz6)

74 Posted by: Zakn at April 03, 2014 06:51 PM (7F9i5)

They are so, so wrong, yet so, so sure of themselves.

The smug just oozed out of that thread.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 03, 2014 02:55 PM (QFxY5)

75 Ace has chosen despair. I can't speak for others, however, mine is loathing. A guy can do worse than good, old fashioned, hate.

Posted by: garrett at April 03, 2014 02:55 PM (nXFDl)

76 Let's not forget how this all got started. A bunch of judges decided to ignore real law and just make up rights.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 03, 2014 02:55 PM (T0NGe)

77 "Bullying" was always about projection, Mr. Sullivan. Always. Posted by: AmishDude at April 03, 2014 06:54 PM (T0NGe) this.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at April 03, 2014 02:55 PM (LWu6U)

78 unpeople aren't allowed to have opinions

Posted by: thunderb at April 03, 2014 02:55 PM (zOTsN)

79 63 Seig heil, baby. Welcome to fascism.

Atta Boy!
That's the Can-Do-Spirit Americans are known for!

Could you enunciate a little more clearly and face a bit more to the left?

Posted by: If you can't beat them at April 03, 2014 02:56 PM (pgQxn)

80 As I wrote in The Nation, there’s pressure in some circles not to use the word “vagina” in connection with reproductive rights, lest it offend trans people. … haahahaah, holy shit, "not use the word "vagina"…. War on women indeed.

Posted by: Seems legit at April 03, 2014 02:56 PM (A98Xu)

81 I've said it before and I'll say it again: while I don't think that all homosexuals are mentally ill, I do think that a large portion of the population have it in some form and that gay culture as a whole seems geared towards approving and even encouraging those illnesses. What we're seeing is a subculture with a mass case of NPD given power over others.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at April 03, 2014 02:56 PM (lr3d7)

82 Be careful what you wish for... I'm not allowed to post what I wish for here. Probably a good policy for me and the blog. I was cleaning old social justice just last night.

Posted by: Daybrother at April 03, 2014 02:56 PM (+3Prp)

83 It's funny that Sullivan gets so close to the truth with that comparison. The left actually is the "religious right" they've always whined about, but that never really existed in the way they thought. More projection.

Posted by: kartoffel at April 03, 2014 02:56 PM (sWwJZ)

84 i have no idea. I personally have chosen the path of despair. Anymore, I don't even talk to the fucking numbskulls who watch this all come down with drool dripping from their slack jaws to tell them what it means. I'm just riding it down at this point.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 03, 2014 02:56 PM (8ZskC)

85 Faggotry was a mental illness before 1974.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 03, 2014 02:57 PM (bitz6)

86 OT : Lucy TRAILER 1 (2014) - Luc Besson, Scarlett Johansson


http://tinyurl.com/khgvd6l


The 1st I've heard of this movie, looks interesting.

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 03, 2014 02:58 PM (5UteM)

87 When vaginas are outlawed, only outlaws will have vaginas.

Posted by: garrett at April 03, 2014 02:58 PM (nXFDl)

88 The most fervent of the early Nazis were homosexuals.

Posted by: --- at April 03, 2014 02:58 PM (whurG)

89 84 i have no idea. I personally have chosen the path of despair.

Anymore, I don't even talk to the fucking numbskulls who watch this all come down with drool dripping from their slack jaws to tell them what it means. I'm just riding it down at this point.

Yeeeeeehaaaaaah.

Posted by: Slim Pickens at April 03, 2014 02:58 PM (4nR9/)

90 Faggotry was a mental illness before 1974. Good Times.

Posted by: Ken at April 03, 2014 02:58 PM (nXFDl)

91 It's funny that Sullivan gets so close to the truth with that comparison. The left actually is the "religious right" they've always whined about, but that never really existed in the way they thought. More projection. Posted by: kartoffel this x1000 if I pulled one tenth of the crap proggie relatives and acquaintances do I would be a pariah

Posted by: thunderb at April 03, 2014 02:59 PM (zOTsN)

92 Open carry of vaginas is illegal in all 57 states.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 03, 2014 02:59 PM (bitz6)

93 When vaginas are outlawed, only outlaws will have vaginas. But if history is any guide, they will always be available for rental by the hour.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 03, 2014 02:59 PM (8ZskC)

94 When vaginas are outlawed, only outlaws will have vaginas. Posted by: garrett



Just call me Josey Wales.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 03, 2014 02:59 PM (d0Dmj)

95 I'm so glad you posted this ace. This opinion piece made my day.

Posted by: small town girl in wyoming at April 03, 2014 02:59 PM (hbivT)

96 Charles Koch's op-ed was excellent. If only Republican political figures were able to defend traditional Americanism so clearly and simply. They may even be able to reach the LIVs and wake them up to the encroaching tyranny. Hm. No wonder the Left expends so much time and energy demonizing the Kochs.

Posted by: rickl at April 03, 2014 02:59 PM (sdi6R)

97 When vaginas are outlawed, only outlaws will have vaginas. Posted by: garrett ** hmm

Posted by: thunderb at April 03, 2014 03:00 PM (zOTsN)

98 @Colorado Alex

The homosexuals, trans and other sorts aren't even responsible for it. They don't have enough power to do this themselves. They're the weapon, but they're not the finger pulling the trigger.

Posted by: kartoffel at April 03, 2014 03:00 PM (sWwJZ)

99 Are gay stormtroopers more properly referred to as pink shirts or lavender shirts?  Velvet shirts?  Assless chaps?

Ass chaps sounds sort of cheeky and British and is my recommendation.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at April 03, 2014 03:01 PM (uhMMS)

100 I'm actually more offended by Eich's spinelessness.

Posted by: Iblis at April 03, 2014 03:01 PM (9221z)

101 It's an easy test.  If you would be wounded should the same standard you applied to another be to applied to you, would you still find it a good thing.  Ace was right when he said there shouldn't be any head hunting and the punishment for social transgressions should fit the crime.  This is nuts. 

Posted by: no good deed at April 03, 2014 03:01 PM (ILBCY)

102 Eich bien ein Berliner?

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 03, 2014 03:02 PM (bitz6)

103 Dear gay person. I really could care less that you're gay. Really, it's your choice, whatev. If you want a civil union, meh. I won't stand in your way. Call it a marriage, fine. But now, So not only do I have to go beyond tolerating your lifestyle. I have to accept it. I have to bake you a cake for your wedding if you tell me to. Regardless of my beliefs. I will probably get sued because I won't let it happen in my church. I have to have your beliefs and lifestyle shoved in my face on every form of media. I can't even have a parade without you wanting to take it over to push your agenda further. And if we don't acquiesce you will continue to bully those that are different or disagree. Now I can't even oppose you politically without being threatened, sued or fired. And you're the victim? Ironic.

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 03, 2014 03:02 PM (igKtt)

104 Sieg

Posted by: pep at April 03, 2014 03:03 PM (4nR9/)

105 100 I'm actually more offended by Eich's spinelessness. Posted by: Iblis at April 03, 2014 07:01 PM (9221z) hahaahahÂ…So true. But he's probably some soft, sweet guy who wouldn't hurt a fly which is why he was targeted.

Posted by: Seems legit at April 03, 2014 03:03 PM (A98Xu)

106 The window of time is rapidly narrowing. At some point either the backlash against this happens peacefully, or it gets really ugly. I don't see a civil war like the 1860's with lines of troops facing each other, but more along the lines of the VC or the Taliban in an asymmetric style of warfare. This can't continue, and it makes me so very sad for my country. It is now longer the America I grew up in and being in my early sixties I've seen so many changes, and not many have been to the better.

Posted by: LFW - Honorary Pointy Eared Vulcan at April 03, 2014 03:04 PM (vVSOO)

107

I prefer defiance to despair.

 

They want us to despair.

They want us to be depressed.

 

I say "Fuck that!"

 

Let's misbehave.

Posted by: wheatie at April 03, 2014 03:04 PM (FWbLS)

108 They only will stop destroying us after we start destroying them. They suffer no consequences for their jihads, so they continue.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 03, 2014 03:04 PM (ZPrif)

109 If we have to live under Der Mini-Fuhrer can I at least get a fucking Amtrak train to run something remotely close to on time? Oh wait, was that Italy? Oh no, we're getting Italian fascism? No one told me that.

Posted by: MTF at April 03, 2014 03:04 PM (0Pvno)

110 Posted by: Minnfidel at April 03, 2014 07:02 PM (igKtt) I'm interested in your newsletter. Well said.

Posted by: Seems legit at April 03, 2014 03:05 PM (A98Xu)

111 I'm actually more offended by Eich's spinelessness.
Posted by: Iblis at April 03, 2014 07:01 PM (9221z)

hahaahahÂ…So true.

But he's probably some soft, sweet guy who wouldn't hurt a fly which is why he was targeted. Posted by: Seems legit



And rich. And decided he didn't need this shit.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 03, 2014 03:05 PM (d0Dmj)

112 I don't see a civil war like the 1860's with lines of troops facing each other, but more along the lines of the VC or the Taliban in an asymmetric style of warfare. I disagree. If there's a civil war in this country it will make WWI look like a playground scuffle.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at April 03, 2014 03:05 PM (lr3d7)

113 Media wants it, news media wants it, Hollywood wants it, American wants it or they would be voting differently. So what do we do? Posted by: Dan at April 03, 2014 06:40 PM (COpZ4) Mentally prepare yourself to become a dissident.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at April 03, 2014 03:05 PM (1htQa)

114 BTW Michigan became the 34th State to call for an Article V Amendment Proposal Convention. That is the magic number and we will see what Congress does now. I just heard about the 24th state to approve it. Damn, that was fast. And, do I ever have a list of suggestions...starting with strict adherence to the Constitution as written.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 03, 2014 03:05 PM (0HooB)

115 Now I can't even oppose you politically without being threatened, sued or fired. And you're the victim? Ironic.

Dangerous.  People think things will continue on as they are. They won't.  At some point, there will be a rupture, and then it will be bad for everyone, but especially those who are pushing this crap.  Well, unless you're George Soros, and can buy a country.  He can't buy his way out of hell, though, and I think I hear Charon calling. 

Posted by: pep at April 03, 2014 03:05 PM (4nR9/)

116 It sorta highlights my own journey on the matter Andi's epiphany does just in reverse. I pushed for civil unions as a compromise and an increment the Glee Klub ran to the courts and now the ACT UP types run the whole parade. I am to blame for this shit, I should have stood with the flock instead I put loyalty to my ieals first.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 03, 2014 03:05 PM (TE35l)

117 Time to roll the DSM back to the 1970's.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 03, 2014 03:06 PM (bitz6)

118 Don't get mad get even...

Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at April 03, 2014 03:06 PM (9+ccr)

119 109 They only will stop destroying us after we start destroying them. They suffer no consequences for their jihads, so they continue. Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 03, 2014 07:04 PM (ZPrif) Of course we don't believe is DDoS attacks or destroying property, or making criminal threats against them, so they've got nothing to fear.

Posted by: Iblis at April 03, 2014 03:06 PM (9221z)

120 Dismantle the State? She really means murder people on the right for their ideology.

Posted by: commentorior at April 03, 2014 03:06 PM (jiUl/)

121 Rick223, there is probably a lot of truth in that too. I'm sure it gets tiresome. If I had the money I'd tell everyone to f off. I'm thoughtful like that.

Posted by: Seems legit at April 03, 2014 03:07 PM (A98Xu)

122 No, because other states have rescinded their call. No Convention.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 03, 2014 03:07 PM (ZPrif)

123 Of course we don't believe is DDoS attacks or destroying property, or making criminal threats against them, so they've got nothing to fear. Posted by: Iblis at April 03, 2014 07:06 PM (9221z) Now why don't some of our billionaires hire some Russian tech goons to cyber-terrorize the libs. Now that'd be money well spent.

Posted by: Iblis at April 03, 2014 03:07 PM (9221z)

124 I hate the fuckin world. I am so sick of reading this shit every day, and I really like reading this place.
I have to ask - is this MY bubble? Do I live here too much, and only read these horribly disheartening things, and in real life, it's only a tiny fraction of what happens in Real Life?
I go to the bar after work, and hardly anyone there talks about this stuff. Sure, they have to listen to ME talk about it, but...does ANYBODY ELSE even know about it, or care, or feel the same level of despair and hopelessness?
Then, I come home and watch The 5. Get pissed again. Go on the internet. Get shocked and dismayed.
Lying liars lie the PISS out of the lies they tell. And on it goes.
Thanks, I'll keep coming.

Posted by: rick at April 03, 2014 03:07 PM (snYrg)

125 10 Ace, Run to Red Ace.. Or die of a heart attack lie I fear I will this decade. Break-up is the best case.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 03, 2014 03:08 PM (TE35l)

126 "And, do I ever have a list of suggestions...starting with strict adherence to the Constitution as written."

AHEM!

Posted by: The New Bill Of Rights enshrining racial quotas at April 03, 2014 03:08 PM (uhMMS)

127 My God, I'm in bed with Andrew Sullivan? I feel so...expanded.

Posted by: JEM at April 03, 2014 03:08 PM (o+SC1)

128 "As I wrote in The Nation, there’s pressure in some circles not to use the word “vagina” in connection with reproductive rights, lest it offend trans people." Wait, I was reading somewhere that old white dudes had an irrational fear of the word "vagina", now we're not supposed to use it? The Left can't even keep track of their philosophy anymore. It's completely out of control.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 03, 2014 03:08 PM (8Mu/z)

129 Virginia is now led by Bloomberg's butboy.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 03, 2014 03:08 PM (bitz6)

130 Eich should have just said "screw you" to any and all who criticized his donation. Unfortunately he might have found himself in even more shit. The problem is the crowd mentality, backed up by the coercive power of the state. This is the really ugly side of democracy, as Pericles could probably tell you. If I were Charles Koch I'd get the bunker ready; he might need it.

Posted by: MTF at April 03, 2014 03:08 PM (0Pvno)

131 Is it just me or do all of these sometimes seemingly unrelated events, ideas and trends seem to be building towards something? Because I'm kinda sorta a pessimist, especially when it comes to human nature, I tend to think that something is something big and bad. 

Posted by: troyriser at April 03, 2014 03:08 PM (2jF2B)

132

Stan: It's every man's right to have babies if he wants them.

Reg: But you can't have babies.

Stan: Don't you oppress me.

Reg: Where's the fetus going to gestate? You going to keep it in a box?

Posted by: OG Celtic-American, Lipstick Lesbian Purity Commissar at April 03, 2014 03:08 PM (vHRtU)

133 I'm interested in your newsletter. Well said. Posted by: Seems legit at April 03, 2014 07:05 PM ........Thank you, and if you order now I will throw in a fresh foot of M Effing snow! I shall send Algore a copy as well. I will circle the article I wrote to him entitled. Endless Winter, Eat a Giant Industrial Size Bag Of Dicks.

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 03, 2014 03:10 PM (igKtt)

134 133 Algernon can keep it warm.

Posted by: Richard Gere at April 03, 2014 03:10 PM (bitz6)

135 I love to ask the CO2 = global warming people a few preliminary questions before I eviscerate them. Long story short, the most fervent believers don't know their ass from a hole in the ground. But they got that ol' time gospel fervor that drives them. Posted by: SE Pa Moron They are complete idiots. Most of them barely passed English because they were too high on xanax or heroin to stay awake much less a real science course. Ask them if CO2=global warming why an unopened soda left out in the Sun doesn't melt right through the sidewalk to the center of the Earth.

Posted by: Daybrother at April 03, 2014 03:10 PM (AVevg)

136 The theatre's so obsessed With dramas so depressed It's hard to sell a ticket on Broadway Shows should be more pretty Shows should be more witty Shows should be more... What's the word? LEO: Gay? ROGER: Exactly! No matter what you do on the stage Keep it light, keep it bright, keep it gay! Whether it's murder, mayhem or rage Don't complain, it's a pain Keep it gay! CARMEN: People want laughter when they see a show The last thing they're after's a litany of woe ROGER & CARMEN: A happy ending will pep up your play... ROGER: Oedipus won't bomb... CARMEN: If he winds up with Mom!

Posted by: thunderb at April 03, 2014 03:10 PM (zOTsN)

137 i have no idea. I personally have chosen the path of despair. Drugs and alcohol here. Mass quantities.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 03, 2014 03:10 PM (0HooB)

138 Mozilla's statement is fucking gag-worthy.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 03, 2014 03:10 PM (8Mu/z)

139 Anyone besides me remember the stories of Soviets being afraid to be the first to stop applauding and sit down during the speeches of Stalin? 

Posted by: navybrat at April 03, 2014 03:10 PM (JgC5a)

140 Posted by: Dr Spank at April 03, 2014 06:58 PM (5UteM)

This one looks like it might be good.

Maybe.

But she stood up to the Brown Shirts at OxFam, so she's getting my money even if it sucks.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 03, 2014 03:10 PM (QFxY5)

141 If Firefox was my browser, I would drop it now. Free speech is not for the chosen few.

Posted by: Darth Randall at April 03, 2014 03:11 PM (6n332)

142 But they don't call this fascism. They call it "social justice." ...So did Himmler and Hitler who, btw, were also true believers in stealing, aka "redistributing the wealth" of the politically incorrect or impure by whatever "social justice" standard. Ever since "empowerment" became one of the too-frequently-misused words in common parlance, I've rejected the abuser's "meaning" -- to take power away from someone else in order to have some more himself.

Posted by: panzernashorn at April 03, 2014 03:11 PM (/vO0r)

143 Despair? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no! Who's with me?

Posted by: Bluto Blutarski at April 03, 2014 03:11 PM (CpWI4)

144 I feel so...expanded. Posted by: JEM at April 03, 2014 07:08 PM ............Well not if it's Sully. He's not exactly , ahem, "gifted". Well, so we've heard anyway.

Posted by: Ghey Mafia at April 03, 2014 03:11 PM (igKtt)

145 I mean organized character assassination, not property destruction. That's what the Left is best at. Hounding people. Saying horrible things about them. Trying to get them fired. What they are doing to the Kochs. If the Right did illegal things the Feds would bring the hammer down and go Waco on your ass. DDOS are illegal. You can destroy people's lives and reputations without doing anything illegal.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 03, 2014 03:11 PM (ZPrif)

146 Posted by: rick at April 03, 2014 07:07 PM (snYrg) rick, I think that is the despair Ace was referring to. I've absolutely felt that (more often than not) and I'm an optimist. It is just so crazy and irrational it's hard to believe it comes out of the mouths of Americans.

Posted by: Seems legit at April 03, 2014 03:11 PM (A98Xu)

147 I’ve decided it’s no longer worthwhile to try and accommodate these people. No matter what they demand, there appears no way to actually satisfy them. While not a large response, I have decided I will be using the word ‘homosexual’ in lieu of ‘gay’ in ALL conversations on the subject in the future. As you can see from the definition below, ‘gay’ is merely a euphemism for ‘homosexual’ which allows ‘gays’ to avoid having to identify themselves as being homosexual. For whatever reason, gays do NOT like being called homosexuals, but that term is in fact the most accurate descriptor of their biological makeup. I would suggest you substitute the word ‘homosexual’ for gay in your everyday language. “Gay is a term that primarily refers to a homosexual person or the trait of being homosexual."

Posted by: alwyr at April 03, 2014 03:11 PM (V0j3u)

148 I see a line of beautiful girls Dressed as storm troopers, each one a gem With leather boots and whips on their hips It's risque, dare I say, S & M! CARMEN & THE TEAM: Love it! ROGER: I see German soldiers dancing through France Played by chorus boys in very tight pants And wait, there's more - they win the war! And the dances they do will be daring and new Turn-turn-kick-turn, turn-turn-kick-turn One-two-three-kick-turn! Keep it sassy, keep it classy, keep it... MAX: That is brilliant. Brilliant! Roger, I speak for Mr. Bloom and myself when I sawy that you are the only man in the world who can do justice to Springtime for Hitler. Will you do it, please? LEO: Please. ROGER: Wait a minute. This is a very big decision. It might effect the course of my entire life. I shall have to think about it...I'll do it. I'll do it! Sabu, champagne! ROGER, CARMEN & THE TEAM: If at the end you want them to cheer Keep it gay, keep it gay, keep it gay Whether it's Hamlet, Othello or Lear Keep it gay, keep it gay, keep it gay

Posted by: thunderb at April 03, 2014 03:12 PM (zOTsN)

149 No, sven.  Your mistake was assuming your opponents were like you, fairly honest and decent.

Projection works both ways.  The Right tends to respect the law, even when we disagree.  The Left, because THEY are lying backstabbing asses, assume we are, too.

I mean, to come out and say "yeah, we knew Barky was lying, so we voted for him anyway," what kind of person do you have to be to not only admit that, but think it was a GOOD thing?

If they had stopped at civil unions, or if the non-radical gays had spoken up against the group's excesses, it might have been different.

But they (at least the radicals) are lying grievance-mongering asses.

Not your fault for assuming those who disagreed were otherwise decent people -- in an honest society, they SHOULD have been.

Blame the Left -- and just know better next time.

No worries.

Posted by: acethepug at April 03, 2014 03:12 PM (IXHkZ)

150 Dave Weigel is a f@g.

 It had to be said.

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 03, 2014 03:12 PM (5UteM)

151 "They are complete idiots. Most of them barely passed English because they were too high on xanax or heroin to stay awake much less a real science course. Ask them if CO2=global warming why an unopened soda left out in the Sun doesn't melt right through the sidewalk to the center of the Earth." There's a few of them that post in the Federalist comments section that are impervious to English.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 03, 2014 03:12 PM (8Mu/z)

152 Mozilla's statement is fucking gag-worthy. Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 03, 2014 07:10 PM (8Mu/z) And they made some absurd statement about respecting peoples rights? But they then force out a guy for expressing his views? They are so stupid they don't see the contradictions in their views

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 03, 2014 03:12 PM (nzKvP)

153 >>Is it just me or do all of these sometimes seemingly unrelated events, ideas and trends seem to be building towards something?

Death, on a civilizational level. You don't even need to be a pessimist to get that, it's not like it hasn't happened before.

Posted by: kartoffel at April 03, 2014 03:12 PM (sWwJZ)

154 Mozilla bends over for Sociopathic mental cases.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 03, 2014 03:12 PM (bitz6)

155 No, because other states have rescinded their call. No Convention. Posted by: Costanza Defense No kidding? Who?

Posted by: Daybrother at April 03, 2014 03:13 PM (rcILT)

156 I wonder if that flash of rationality that Andrew Sullivan suffered caused any pain.  That had to be like a foreign virus invading his neural network.


Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 03, 2014 03:13 PM (BZAd3)

157 140 Anyone besides me remember the stories of Soviets being afraid to be the first to stop applauding and sit down during the speeches of Stalin?
Posted by: navybrat

You don't need to go that far back.  The latest Kim did the same thing recently. 

Posted by: pep at April 03, 2014 03:13 PM (4nR9/)

158 150 AceThePug, I burnt a lot of my rep here on this topic b/c I evolved opposite of the marching crowd. I am so tired of being a citizen with people who don't understand what that means anymore.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 03, 2014 03:14 PM (TE35l)

159 How many times have I said it. When you entertain absurd arguments, you've already lost. Accept it: the Fringe, due to govt-backed thuggery, has become mainstream . YOU and quaint beliefs and customs are now, at best, controversial. At worst, You are now an unwelcome bigot in your own country.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lesbian Outreach Coordinator at April 03, 2014 03:14 PM (ZqKAA)

160 That had to be like a foreign virus invading his neural network.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 03, 2014 07:13 PM (BZAd3)

Already happened.

It's called AIDS Related Dementia.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 03, 2014 03:14 PM (QFxY5)

161 Minnfidel, come on over to W WI. Beat the global warming standing next to my syrup evaporator. Nice and toasty. Did I mention I have Summit EPA and Saga?

Posted by: Muad'dib at April 03, 2014 03:14 PM (ZBXhE)

162

140 Anyone besides me remember the stories of Soviets being afraid to be the first to stop applauding and sit down during the speeches of Stalin?
 

Posted by: navybrat at April 03, 2014 07:10 PM (JgC5a) 

 

I remember reading about this, navybrat.

 

And because the Communist Party installed 'watchers' in every community...people were afraid to do anything or say anything, even in their own homes.

 

Posted by: wheatie at April 03, 2014 03:15 PM (FWbLS)

163 And because the Communist Party installed 'watchers' in every community...people were afraid to do anything or say anything, even in their own homes. Posted by: wheatie low tech NSA

Posted by: thunderb at April 03, 2014 03:15 PM (zOTsN)

164 Despair is a sin.Yeah,I'm a sinner.

Posted by: steevy at April 03, 2014 03:16 PM (zqvg6)

165 I'm sure some of you have pointed out that this phenomenon is nothing new. My political beliefs were vetted (and found wanting) during a job interview back in '98 during the Clinton scandal.

Posted by: Y-not hasn't read the comments yet at April 03, 2014 03:16 PM (zDsvJ)

166 Only an indoctrination through the education system can produce results like these. There's no possible way to get to this place with an honest education.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 03, 2014 03:16 PM (8Mu/z)

167 we're playing let's pretend! we're playing Let's Pretend We're Married! AND THE LAW SAYS YOU HAVE TO PLAY TOO!! N'yah n'yah! La la la la law of the land!

Posted by: teh married gheys at April 03, 2014 03:16 PM (uopHF)

168 the only people in the "closet" anymore are conservatives Koch came "out" he must be punished

Posted by: thunderb at April 03, 2014 03:17 PM (zOTsN)

169 The Left is the boss. They will tell you what cookies you can sell. They will tell your children how to dress.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lesbian Outreach Coordinator at April 03, 2014 03:17 PM (ZqKAA)

170 Is it just me or do all of these sometimes seemingly unrelated events, ideas and trends seem to be building towards something? Hmmmmm.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 03, 2014 03:17 PM (oMKp3)

171 "As I wrote in The Nation, there’s pressure in some circles not to use the word “vagina” in connection with reproductive rights, lest it offend trans people." Tucking is now a hate crime.

Posted by: garrett at April 03, 2014 03:17 PM (GymBc)

172 Look, President Obama said, "Get in their faces!" The. President. Of. the. United. States.

Posted by: Seems legit at April 03, 2014 03:17 PM (A98Xu)

173 Aaaand if your intent is to create a total political monoculture what better way than to have that monoculture dispense/ration health care.

Why, you could even make them register to vote when they sign up.

Posted by: navybrat at April 03, 2014 03:17 PM (JgC5a)

174 Just downloaded Chrome. Seems pretty fast.

Will try Opera next.

Posted by: OG Celtic-American, Lipstick Lesbian Purity Commissar at April 03, 2014 03:17 PM (vHRtU)

175 this kind of social pressure is how you create collaborators

Posted by: thunderb at April 03, 2014 03:18 PM (zOTsN)

176 Andrew Sullivan put your money where your mouth is. Talk is cheap.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 03, 2014 03:19 PM (TtEhW)

177 Remember when Billy Blow Job argued against the politics of personal destruction?

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 03, 2014 03:19 PM (Mogjf)

178 Just downloaded Chrome. Sadly, Chrome is just google's spyware client.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 03, 2014 03:19 PM (8Mu/z)

179 "And, do I ever have a list of suggestions...starting with strict adherence to the Constitution as written."

What I worry about is that any new Constitutional Convention is going to be promptly quietly hijacked by the left (as "the objective nonpartisan redistricting commission" was here in Commiefornia).

Said hijacked Constitutional Convention then ending up repealing a bunch of existing rights, while enshrining mandatory sodomy, a thousand dollar per hour minimum wage, and a U.S. version of the Vice Ministry Of Supreme Social Happiness.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 03, 2014 03:19 PM (noWW6)

180 Cage match, Koch vs. Reid.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 03, 2014 03:19 PM (HVff2)

181 CLAMPDOWN http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psB0cidB5bg

Posted by: THE CLASH at April 03, 2014 03:19 PM (GymBc)

182 Truth Revolt is the start of an attempt to fight back on the personal destruction game. Here would be a mean game the Right could play. College professors have strong tenure protections. High school and middle school teachers ... not so much. Yet I can guarantee there are hard-left teachers saying horrible things on facebook and twitter right now. A mean right-wing site would basically just pick one of those hard-left teachers at basically random every month and organize a campaign to publicize that person and all their faults and try to destroy their teaching career. Kinda like how the Gay Mafia got the little old piano lady fired from her community theater piano gig cause she signed prop 8. The point would be to get a scalp. And make even everyday normal progtards worry that maybe, just maybe the wrath of the online right would descend upon them. It's a vicious, cruel strategy. But it's one the Left has embraced. It's not one I'm endorsing, to be clear, just an example of where I see this game going.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 03, 2014 03:20 PM (ZPrif)

183 i have no idea. I personally have chosen the path of despair.

Posted by: ace at April 03, 2014 06:41 PM (/FnUH)

I find a mixture of single malt scotch, legal pot, and dispair to make a fine cocktail...

I mean after the uncontrollable fits of crying and cowering naked in corners subsides.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 03, 2014 03:20 PM (BZAd3)

184 Will not use Chrome.

Mozilla may be a bunch of cockholsters, but Google is... well, Google.

Posted by: cool arrow at April 03, 2014 03:20 PM (cKsqM)

185 I prefer defiance to despair.

They want us to despair.
They want us to be depressed.

I say "Fuck that!"

Let's misbehave.

Posted by: wheatie at April 03, 2014 07:04 PM (FWbLS)


You're my hero herione!


It would be a good time for that 'fuck this, fuck that' cat.

Posted by: Retread at April 03, 2014 03:21 PM (cHwk5)

186 the new rules are not just that you will lose on the political point, but that you will then be hounded personally for having dared to venture a contrary opinion at all I'm weary of this happening to others and not to me. I guess I should get out more with my actual name, though I'm not shy with my opinions in meatspace, so we can get the dance started.

Posted by: toby928© at April 03, 2014 03:21 PM (QupBk)

187 162 Minnfidel, come on over to W WI. Beat the global warming standing next to my syrup evaporator. Nice and toasty. Did I mention I have Summit EPA and Saga? Posted by: Muad'dib at April 03, 2014 07:14 PM (ZBXhE) Should I bring some pizza from Fat Boys?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 03, 2014 03:21 PM (HVff2)

188 Where's the Kaboom?   I want  my  Kaboom.

Posted by: Soona at April 03, 2014 03:21 PM (fZQEE)

189 It's a vicious, cruel strategy. But it's one the Left has embraced You had me at vicious...

Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at April 03, 2014 03:21 PM (9+ccr)

190 High school and middle school teachers ... not so much. teachers unions are like honey badgers. try getting a teacher fired for having sex with a student, or doing drugs on school grounds, or anything they put them in the "rubber room" for years until they can retire

Posted by: thunderb at April 03, 2014 03:21 PM (zOTsN)

191 Pizza would be outstanding.

Posted by: Muad'dib at April 03, 2014 03:22 PM (IyoLR)

192 181 Cage match, Koch vs. Reid.
-------
Heh. I'd watch that.

Posted by: LFW - Honorary Pointy Eared Vulcan at April 03, 2014 03:22 PM (vVSOO)

193 What I worry about is that any new Constitutional Convention is going to be promptly quietly hijacked by the left (as "the objective nonpartisan redistricting commission" was here in Commiefornia). I've seen your concern addressed by the organizers of this soiree. The subjects are strictly controlled. Of course, that doesn't mean they won't try.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 03, 2014 03:22 PM (0HooB)

194 167 Only an indoctrination through the education system can produce results like these. --- But I don't get it. What the hell are the parents doing? I went to an extremely "Progressive" public school from grades 3 thru 12. Most of the shit in Common Core that folks seem to be reacting to I saw forty years ago. We were doing "Life Boat" exercises (which of your classmates do you toss off the boat?) and "values clarification" and every other g-d thing... until my parents (mom esp) got involved. I had a couple friends who were either apolitical or conservative (one was a military kid), but the rest were extremely liberal/progressive and quite vocal about it by middle school. So what's the magic thing that enabled my parents to raise an independent-thinking person? Parents need to put the development their kids' values and intellect as their number one priority. From where I'm sitting, it doesn't seem to be happening.

Posted by: Y-not at April 03, 2014 03:22 PM (zDsvJ)

195 The black churches have NEVER endorsed or operated under that principle. They simply ignore it. They have been doing so for decades now. And of course are never called on it, because no one wants to be accused of teh rayciss. - In his new book, Alan West says the most conservative people in the country are a small core of people in the black churches. I don't know if he's right but it gave me a warm feeling. Warm enough for me to buy his book.

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 03, 2014 03:22 PM (a+VUu)

196 I've seen your concern addressed by the organizers of this soiree. The subjects are strictly controlled. So was the convention to amend the Articles of Confederation.

Posted by: toby928© at April 03, 2014 03:23 PM (QupBk)

197 100--- I'm actually more offended by Eich's spinelessness. Posted by: Iblis at April 03, 2014 07:01 PM (9221z) ------------------------ I get that. But at least (so far) he hasn't confessed his heresy before the Pure Ones and begged for absolution. At least he hasn't signed up for re-education camp. That's better than most.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 03, 2014 03:23 PM (dfYL9)

198 But at the same time, activism becomes less about winning converts and changing the world and more about creating protected enclaves and policing speech.
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"Activists" are running out of money and out of donors.  The old bromides don't seem to be working anymore, and nobody cares unless there's a life threatened or life's blood on the street. .  In other words, the Left's argument for rulership is being crushed out in the public arena.

Posted by: mrp at April 03, 2014 03:23 PM (JBggj)

199 I'm going to use "homosexual" and "vagina" a lot, just not in my bedroom after a couple of drinks on a date night.

Posted by: Seems legit at April 03, 2014 03:23 PM (A98Xu)

200 If Andrew Sullivan, that brave veteran of the struggle against that stupid slut snowbilly, no longer has the stomach for the struggle forward toward true progress, then perhaps he has outlived his usefulness. Andrew of all people should know what the wages of treason against the cause are.... hint, it's never anything good.

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, Vermont at April 03, 2014 03:23 PM (Pb41/)

201 103 Posted by: Minnfidel at April 03, 2014 07:02 PM (igKtt Very well said. Thank you

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 03, 2014 03:23 PM (HVff2)

202

@140Anyone besides me remember the stories of Soviets being afraid to be the first to stop applauding and sit down during the speeches of Stalin?

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And the guy who was sent to the camps because he was the first to stop applauding (when Stalin wasn't even present)?

 

Yeah.  Solzhenitsyn wrote about it.

 

Posted by: junior at April 03, 2014 03:23 PM (UWFpX)

203 Noah Rothman ‏@NoahCRothman ICYMI: Dem Sen More Outraged over U.S. Effort to Democratize Cuba than Cuban Repression http://bit.ly/1fB3emh

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 03, 2014 03:24 PM (ZPrif)

204 163 And because the Communist Party installed 'watchers' in every community...people were afraid to do anything or say anything, even in their own homes. Posted by: wheatie at April 03, 2014 07:15 PM (FWbLS) In totalitarian societies, parents are literally afraid of their own children. The kids get indoctrinated in government-run schools, and are encouraged to "report" any forbidden ideas expressed by their parents.

Posted by: rickl at April 03, 2014 03:24 PM (sdi6R)

205 Mary sock slip I think.

Posted by: toby928© at April 03, 2014 03:24 PM (QupBk)

206 I'm going to use "homosexual" and "vagina" a lot I use 'Don't be Gay' as often as I can.

Posted by: garrett at April 03, 2014 03:24 PM (GymBc)

207 Opera 20 seems nice.

This will be my last post using Firefox OS.

Suck it Mozilla...

Posted by: OG Celtic-American, Lipstick Lesbian Purity Commissar at April 03, 2014 03:24 PM (vHRtU)

208

148 IÂ’ve decided itÂ’s no longer worthwhile to try and accommodate these people. No matter what they demand, there appears no way to actually satisfy them.

 

 

While not a large response, I have decided I will be using the word ‘homosexual’ in lieu of ‘gay’ in ALL conversations on the subject in the future. As you can see from the definition below, ‘gay’ is merely a euphemism for ‘homosexual’ which allows ‘gays’ to avoid having to identify themselves as being homosexual.

 

 

For whatever reason, gays do NOT like being called homosexuals, but that term is in fact the most accurate descriptor of their biological makeup.

 

 

I would suggest you substitute the word ‘homosexual’ for gay in your everyday language.

 

 

“Gay is a term that primarily refers to a homosexual person or the trait of being homosexual."

 

 

Posted by: alwyr at April 03, 2014 07:11 PM (V0j3u)

 

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Excellent idea, alwyr.

 

It's...defiant.

So I like it!

 

But...can we shorten 'homosexuals' to just 'homos'?

 

 

And yeah, there's no pleasing these people.

They demanded 'tollerance'...and got it.

 

Then they took that as encouragement to demand more and more and more.

So fuck em.

Posted by: wheatie at April 03, 2014 03:25 PM (FWbLS)

209 And of course there must be personal consequences for incorrect thoughts and opposing social justice. Opposing justice is what criminals do. Criminals must pay, and based on the crime, pay dearly.

The racist reich-wingers who cling to an incorrect past must be punished harshly.

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, Vermont at April 03, 2014 03:25 PM (Pb41/)

210

I say "Fuck that!"



Let's misbehave.

Posted by: wheatie at April 03, 2014 07:04 PM (FWbLS)

 

The thing is,  wheatie,  that here in OK things are still pretty much American.  I'm a bit surprised at that, but it's true.

 

I am on the lookout for the chaos to start affecting us though.

Posted by: Soona at April 03, 2014 03:25 PM (fZQEE)

211 I pushed for civil unions as a compromise and an increment the Glee Klub ran to the courts and now the ACT UP types run the whole parade. I am to blame for this shit, I should have stood with the flock instead I put loyalty to my ieals first. Posted by: sven10077 I remember telling my lesbian friend that gay marriage was fine with me---just name it something else. Some catchy thing like Gayfounded or Lesbanded or something. The gay mafia demands to be recognized as exactly the same as straights; Only...special...and different, with their own Culture, that straights better not even think about commenting on. Because they are the same. Exactly.

Posted by: Daybrother at April 03, 2014 03:25 PM (teN0f)

212 It's also why every right-winger who is out there in public using their real name deserves praise.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 03, 2014 03:26 PM (ZPrif)

213 193 Pizza would be outstanding. Posted by: Muad'dib at April 03, 2014 07:22 PM (IyoLR) Cool. So far so good up this way on the global warming crap neighbor

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 03, 2014 03:26 PM (HVff2)

214 Well, this seems fresh and clean. &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at April 03, 2014 03:26 PM (vHRtU)

215 I am seriously afraid that if someone discovered my opinions here, my husband could be punished professionally, maybe even removed. And he is in the private sector. How fucked up is that?

Posted by: thunderb at April 03, 2014 03:26 PM (zOTsN)

216 140 Anyone besides me remember the stories of Soviets being afraid to be the first to stop applauding and sit down during the speeches of Stalin? Posted by: navybrat at April 03, 2014 07:10 PM (JgC5a) Aye I remember. My favorite was the two record release of one of Stalin's speeches. Side One was the speech and the other three sides consisted of nothing but applause.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at April 03, 2014 03:26 PM (oFCZn)

217 Do you think Koch knows about Dingy's pederasty and that he is the Searchlight strangler ?

Posted by: The Jackhole at April 03, 2014 03:27 PM (nTgAI)

218 My favorite was the two record release of one of Stalin's speeches. Side One was the speech and the other three sides consisted of nothing but applause Was there any fainting?

Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at April 03, 2014 03:27 PM (9+ccr)

219 What I worry about is that any new Constitutional Convention is going to be promptly quietly hijacked by the left (as "the objective nonpartisan redistricting commission" was here in Commiefornia). My philosophy is that, if they go that route, we can finally have an open and honest discussion about whether the union should continue. A constitutional amendment stating, "The United States of America is hereby dissolved" is in my humble opinion, a legitimate outcome of a constitutional convention.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at April 03, 2014 03:27 PM (lr3d7)

220 The queer Left: You are either with us or you are against us.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lesbian Outreach Coordinator at April 03, 2014 03:27 PM (ZqKAA)

221 As long as we're on the topic and it's been a couple of days, was Gabe joking earlier this week when he said he preferred "anti-gay" over "homophobe" in his morning thread? Or was that supposed to be April Fools Day humor?

Posted by: Y-not at April 03, 2014 03:27 PM (zDsvJ)

222 It's a vicious, cruel strategy. But it's one the Left has embraced.

It's not one I'm endorsing, to be clear, just an example of where I see this game going.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 03, 2014 07:20 PM (ZPrif)

 

I see nothing wrong with employing (legal) tit-for-tat strategies against these people even if those strategies are perceived as vicious and cruel, and unequivocally endorse a 'No More Nice' policy across the board.

 

Politics ain't beanbag, as the man says.  Besides, if your side wins, 'vicious and cruel' magically become 'determined and brave'.

Posted by: troyriser at April 03, 2014 03:28 PM (2jF2B)

223 No kidding, I'm actually afraid of the IRS. And our taxes are squeaky clean. Quarterly paidÂ… done by professionals. It's more of an irrational, "what if they read my comments and see who I donate to?" kind of fear.

Posted by: Seems legit at April 03, 2014 03:29 PM (A98Xu)

224 217 I am seriously afraid that if someone discovered my opinions here, my husband could be punished professionally, maybe even removed. And he is in the private sector. How fucked up is that? It's the truth.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 03, 2014 03:29 PM (d2QQ4)

225 217 ThunderB, The day my wife retires or I RIF'd out I'll post my real name. We in the Civil Service and/or DoD have been "occupied" a good long time.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 03, 2014 03:29 PM (TE35l)

226 I'm still baffled why *this* particular fetish is worthy of respect when so many others remain the butt of jokes. Is it the money of the richest oppressed minority in history? The fashion sense? What?

Posted by: toby928© at April 03, 2014 03:29 PM (QupBk)

227 my hubby is in a heavily regulated industry. The government could seriously fuck him up if it wanted to

Posted by: thunderb at April 03, 2014 03:30 PM (zOTsN)

228 217 I am seriously afraid that if someone discovered my opinions here, my husband could be punished professionally, maybe even removed. ---- When my husband was working in California at a "progressive" private org, I told him to tell folks that the reason we didn't have an Obama bumper sticker (this was the first time around) was that I was a disenfranchised Hillary supporter. Saddest thing is that it worked. Well, maybe even sadder was that we needed some sort of lie to tell.

Posted by: Y-not at April 03, 2014 03:30 PM (zDsvJ)

229 Solzhenitsyn spent a very very long time in the Gulag for saying a rather small disparaging thing about Comrade Stalin. And he was a decorated officer in the Red Army.

Posted by: LFW - Honorary Pointy Eared Vulcan at April 03, 2014 03:30 PM (vVSOO)

230

@197 In his new book, Alan West says the most conservative people in the country are a small core of people in the black churches. I don't know if he's right but it gave me a warm feeling. Warm enough for me to buy his book.

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Doesn't matter.  99% of blacks "know" that Republican = RAAAAAACIST!  And as a result, the Dems can do pretty much whatever they want, and blacks will continue to vote for them.  Because, after all, the Republicans are racist, so they must be worse, even if they want some of the same things that many parts of the black community want.

 

Posted by: junior at April 03, 2014 03:30 PM (UWFpX)

231 221 CO Alex, Correct..... I think the simple act wil recalibrate the Republic and ideally kill it.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 03, 2014 03:31 PM (TE35l)

232 It's not irrational.We know the IRS targets conservatives.The government has almost limitless power to make our lives miserable and the left is in control of the government.

Posted by: steevy at April 03, 2014 03:32 PM (zqvg6)

233 Meatball's Senate post has reappeared.

Posted by: Vendette at April 03, 2014 03:32 PM (JQkZU)

234 Was there any fainting?
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Actually, there was.

Posted by: LFW - Honorary Pointy Eared Vulcan at April 03, 2014 03:32 PM (vVSOO)

235 234 The left remains in control even if Republicans are in power because they dominate the bureacracies.

Posted by: steevy at April 03, 2014 03:32 PM (zqvg6)

236 troy said; Is it just me or do all of these sometimes seemingly unrelated events, ideas and trends seem to be building towards something?

i wrote two paragraphs  and deleted them.
but yeah sorta kinda and hope to hell i am wrong.

Posted by: willow at April 03, 2014 03:33 PM (nqBYe)

237 Was there any fainting? -------- Actually, there was. Posted by: LFW - Honorary Pointy Eared Vulcan at April 03, 2014 07:32 PM (vVSOO) Catch me! *Faints*

Posted by: Vendette at April 03, 2014 03:33 PM (JQkZU)

238 223 As long as we're on the topic and it's been a couple of days, was Gabe joking earlier this week when he said he preferred "anti-gay" over "homophobe" in his morning thread? Or was that supposed to be April Fools Day humor? Posted by: Y-not at April 03, 2014 07:27 PM (zDsvJ) Who knows. They will let us know what the word of the week is just like our African American, Native American, Hispanic American friends. Hell they might hyphenate their names".................. I have my own ideas, don't need the ban hammer

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 03, 2014 03:33 PM (HVff2)

239 The left remains in control even if Republicans are in power because they dominate the bureacracies. We need to RIF through the agencies with a flamethrower.

Posted by: toby928© has drink taken at April 03, 2014 03:34 PM (QupBk)

240 I'm still baffled why *this* particular fetish is worthy of respect when so many others remain the butt of jokes. Is it the money of the richest oppressed minority in history? The fashion sense? What? The others are coming behind. Homosexuality has a lot of influence in the creative classes, and it can overlap with other alternative lifestyles such as non-monogamy and BDSM. Polyamory and swinging are two examples just waiting for gay marriage to create a beachhead before they push their own lifestyles into the public sphere and demand recognition and applause.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at April 03, 2014 03:34 PM (lr3d7)

241 there are no less than 5 federal agencies that could make his life a living hell because of my beliefs this is where we are

Posted by: thunderb at April 03, 2014 03:34 PM (zOTsN)

242 my hubby is in a heavily regulated industry. The government could seriously fuck him up if it wanted to

Posted by: thunderb at April 03, 2014 07:30 PM (zOTsN)

 

 

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So am I.  And in a large national corporation.  BUT, I've been lucky to have been given pretty conservative co-workers.  They aren't the ones I'd be worried about.  It's the  power on the east and west coasts that would more than likely fuck up my day.

Posted by: Soona at April 03, 2014 03:34 PM (fZQEE)

243 We need to stop despairing (even though it is reasonable to do at a time like this) and go on the offensive.  We have control of how many states (Governor and the entire legislature)?  30?  So, we start by taking back control of the universities:  Who is hired.  What is being taught.  If it isn't being taught like we think it should be, that the professor's contract isn't renewed.  Which department stay and which ones go.  What policies are gone.  Who administrates the university.  Etc.

Yes, this could backfire but hasn't it already done so when we did nothing?  So what do we have to lose?  Let's do it and let the hard-core left get a serious case of the fears in these states. 

Posted by: Blor-Utar at April 03, 2014 03:35 PM (AHkYJ)

244 If the convention of the states does not take place, there really isn't any logical way any of this profligate spending, political corruption, confiscation of rights, fiscal insanity and the blazing fast slide toward socialist authoritarianism will be halted.

I can't see it happening.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 03, 2014 03:35 PM (BZAd3)

245 Well, they can't organize character assassination campaigns against all of us. Then again, I see a future of automated intimidation. Programs that search out anti-gay marriage statements on twitter and facebook, ID the user, and launch email and social media campaigns to harass, intimidate, and render unemployed and unemployable the person who said it. Combined with search engine optimization so the first thing you see when you google the target's name is the attacks against them. The whole process could be automated.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 03, 2014 03:35 PM (ZPrif)

246 i feel at times they are inciting people to anger purposefully.

Posted by: willow at April 03, 2014 03:36 PM (nqBYe)

247 We need to RIF through the agencies with a flamethrower.

Posted by: toby928© has drink taken at April 03, 2014 07:34 PM (QupBk)

 

 

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This!  So much, this!

Posted by: Soona at April 03, 2014 03:36 PM (fZQEE)

248 248 Oh certainly,they would like an excuse.

Posted by: steevy at April 03, 2014 03:36 PM (zqvg6)

249

212...The thing is, wheatie, that here in OK things are still pretty much American. I'm a bit surprised at that, but it's true.

 

I am on the lookout for the chaos to start affecting us though.

 

Posted by: Soona at April 03, 2014 07:25 PM (fZQEE) 

 

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It's already affecting us, Soona.

 

We pass laws here...and the Leftists come here and use our courts to nullify them.

 

It wasn't that long ago when the Dems ruled here.

They haven't given up on turning it back to the way it was.

 

Posted by: wheatie at April 03, 2014 03:36 PM (FWbLS)

250  i feel at times they are inciting people to anger purposefully.

Posted by: willow at April 03, 2014 07:36 PM (nqBYe)

 

 

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Absolutely.  They want us to fire the first shot.

Posted by: Soona at April 03, 2014 03:37 PM (fZQEE)

251 Of course,if no incident is forthcoming they have no qualms about manufacturing one.

Posted by: steevy at April 03, 2014 03:38 PM (zqvg6)

252 231 Solzhenitsyn spent a very very long time in the Gulag for saying a rather small disparaging thing about Comrade Stalin. And he was a decorated officer in the Red Army. Posted by: LFW - Honorary Pointy Eared Vulcan at April 03, 2014 07:30 PM (vVSOO) He explained in some detail how many, many decorated Red Army veterans returned home to find a one way trip to the gulag. It turned out that Stalin didn't like the idea of their "exposure" to Germans and the Allied soldiers.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at April 03, 2014 03:38 PM (oFCZn)

253 They've already gotten a large percentage of the population to believe in a radical threat from the right,the battlespace is prepared.

Posted by: steevy at April 03, 2014 03:39 PM (zqvg6)

254 There was fainting at Comrade Stalin's speeches. The fainting was later determined to be caused by a bullet to the head.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at April 03, 2014 03:40 PM (oFCZn)

255 1 alright something is amiss if many people are afraid to state their political philosophy, i hope we can agree on this.
and
2 there seems to be reason to knowledge people indeed are being threatened harrassed for their politicl philosophies
3 this is america  we are not some backwards banana republic unless we give up fighting
4 how to fight?
5______________?

Posted by: willow at April 03, 2014 03:40 PM (nqBYe)

256 It wasn't that long ago when the Dems ruled here.
They haven't given up on turning it back to the way it was.

Posted by: wheatie at April 03, 2014 07:36 PM (FWbLS)

 

 

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I think what we're seeing  mostly is cleanup from the David Walters era.  He did a lot of damage, including the courts.

Posted by: Soona at April 03, 2014 03:40 PM (fZQEE)

257 they do not need to send anybody anywhere if they make us all afraid to speak, afraid to be revealed

Posted by: thunderb at April 03, 2014 03:40 PM (zOTsN)

258 aknowledge

Posted by: willow at April 03, 2014 03:40 PM (nqBYe)

259 254 If they were captured,even if briefly and escaped,they were suspected.And usually given suicidal duties to " prove" their loyalty.

Posted by: steevy at April 03, 2014 03:41 PM (zqvg6)

260 255 Steevy, Indeed...thing is their imaginary friend radical right is a little less action packed than. Radicalized right really could be.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 03, 2014 03:41 PM (TE35l)

261 But hey,lets jump on a conservative who said something stupid.

Posted by: steevy at April 03, 2014 03:42 PM (zqvg6)

262 Koch actually stick money where His mouth is

how many other corps are on the side of america's liberty?

Posted by: willow at April 03, 2014 03:42 PM (nqBYe)

263 Minnfidel, come on over to W WI. Beat the global warming standing next to my syrup evaporator. Nice and toasty. Did I mention I have Summit EPA and Saga? Posted by: Muad'dib at April 03, 2014 07:14 PM .............Yep it's snowing pretty good. They go between 14' and a foot with drifting later. So it will probably be 7. But still, ready to be done. Sounds inviting and fun!!!! I used to help a buddy do "sapping". Is it running where you are yet? I figured it was too cold there yet. Or are you just standing next to the fire drinking beer How's Saga? Never had it.

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 03, 2014 03:43 PM (igKtt)

264 I would suggest you substitute the word ‘homosexual’ for gay in your everyday language. -- Good idea.

Posted by: votermom at April 03, 2014 03:44 PM (GSIDW)

265 guess i'll have a conversation with myself  in the bath .

Posted by: willow at April 03, 2014 03:44 PM (nqBYe)

266 254 He explained in some detail how many, many decorated Red Army veterans returned home to find a one way trip to the gulag. It turned out that Stalin didn't like the idea of their "exposure" to Germans and the Allied soldiers. Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at April 03, 2014 07:38 PM (oFCZn) See Al Stewart's 1973 song "Roads to Moscow". Pay close attention to the last verse. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVGtG-ZnF0g http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roads_to_Moscow It's a great song, too.

Posted by: rickl at April 03, 2014 03:45 PM (sdi6R)

267 I am seriously afraid that if someone discovered my opinions here, my husband could be punished professionally, maybe even removed. I used to comment on another blog. There was another Doc there and we chatted a lot late at night but never emailed. One day I wondered if I could figure out where they worked so I did some googling and licensing detective work and thought I'd narrowed it down. I called a couple of friends and a hospital I had actually worked at once and talked to an old friend. Bam! Knew exactly who they were, where they worked, even the latest gossip if I had called an old Charge nurse friend. After that I started being vague about personal and professional information online. Fuzzy dates and such. Everyone is perfectly correct to hide their true identities unless they are prepared to be destroyed by the Left. Post Script: Never contacted the Doc and never told them. Never see their Nic anymore either.

Posted by: Daybrother at April 03, 2014 03:46 PM (Irjjp)

268

@254 He explained in some detail how many, many decorated Red Army veterans returned home to find a one way trip to the gulag. It turned out that Stalin didn't like the idea of their "exposure" to Germans and the Allied soldiers.

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The 15mm WW2 miniatures game, Flames of War, had an Eastern Front partisan mini-campaign that ended with the following "historical" outcomes (for their fictional force commanders) -

 

The German commander disappeared after the war, along with a number of priceless pieces of artwork.

 

The Soviet Partisan commander linked up with advancing Soviet troops during Operation Bagration.  But the initiative and charisma that had allowed him to be an effective commander of partisans was viewed as a threat to Comrade Stalin, and he was disappeared shortly thereafter.

 

Posted by: junior at April 03, 2014 03:46 PM (UWFpX)

269 Respect for Koch for standing up for what he believes.  It's going to get rough out there. 

Posted by: gracepmc at April 03, 2014 03:46 PM (rznx3)

270

 I would suggest you substitute the word ‘homosexualÂ’ for gay in your everyday language.

 

--

 

Good idea.

Posted by: votermom at April 03, 2014 07:44 PM (GSIDW)

 

 

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Or fag.  (depends on if you have a good escape route)

 

 

 

Posted by: Soona at April 03, 2014 03:48 PM (fZQEE)

271 guess i'll have a conversation with myself in the bath . Posted by: willow at April 03, 2014 07:44 PM .............um,

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 03, 2014 03:48 PM (igKtt)

272 guess i'll have a conversation with myself in the bath . Just turn on your webcam and I'm sure there are a few morons who would be happy to chat with you.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at April 03, 2014 03:48 PM (lr3d7)

273 Give in to my Liberal agenda, or give me your death!

Posted by: It's Pat! Henry at April 03, 2014 03:49 PM (wu/TK)

274  guess i'll have a conversation with myself in the bath .

Posted by: willow at April 03, 2014 07:44 PM (nqBYe)

 

 

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You'll need to come back and tell us all about it.

Posted by: Soona at April 03, 2014 03:50 PM (fZQEE)

275 They're the jackbooted thugs now, but so was Ernst Rohm...

Posted by: --- at April 03, 2014 03:51 PM (MMC8r)

276 guess i'll have a conversation with myself in the bath . Posted by: willow at April 03, 2014 07:44 PM .....I think everyone went to the Nood.

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 03, 2014 03:52 PM (igKtt)

277 I've been saying for years that this is like the Chinese Cultural Revolution or French Revolution. People are in a frenzy. Back at the college where I worked, we even got slogans in emails from administrators extolling diversity!  Just out of the blue! I left, but I suppose they are marching around the quad with signs that say "diversity brings strength" and other BS.

The French Revolution got to killing its enemies pretty quickly too. All leftist schemers eventually do. Will it get this bad in the US?  Chilling.

Posted by: PJ at April 03, 2014 03:52 PM (ZWaLo)

278 106 100

Pretty sure he has family and friends and property.  You really think the Gaystapo would stop with just him?  HA

Posted by: gracepmc at April 03, 2014 03:53 PM (rznx3)

279 I worry about what I type here coming back to haunt my husband too. Or some crazy lib stalker.

Posted by: Lauren at April 03, 2014 03:53 PM (hFL/3)

280 It doesn't help that the left is also absorbed into social media activism, where mood is the key motivator and the content swings several times a day. People are conditioned to respond angrily to 'triggers' and even told that irrational outbursts are not something one must contain, because their rage is always triggered by the offenses of others.

Posted by: bleck at April 03, 2014 03:54 PM (ruoPh)

281 283 Lauren, We've gone over how I probably have an entire unit of N$A assholes on my six..... Thank God Maj Hasan didn't bother N$A though

Posted by: sven10077 at April 03, 2014 04:00 PM (TE35l)

282 The warmists are beating the same drum. If they gather a critical mass in one spot, look for penalties to be forthcoming.

Possibly California or San Fran as they're nutty enough to do something like that and not care about consequences.

Jerry might veto the craziness but who will stop it in San Fran?

Oakland is another possibility.

That's when the rubber will hit the road.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Waiting For SMODOT) at April 03, 2014 04:00 PM (JS0vr)

283 Seriously what are we supposed to do about it?

I don't there's anything we can do to stop or reverse it now.  Cultivate your own garden, create something beautiful to console you.  And when this all comes to ruin, as it will, and sooner than anyone imagines, resist by all means every plea to rally round and save them.  Resist the appeals to history, tradition, hearth and family - they know all the hot buttons to push and they'll push them all.  Resist.  Don't answer them.  The only way we'll ever be rid of them is when the temple falls down on their heads and crushes them to death; anything less just prolongs this obscenity of injustice.

Posted by: Fledrmaus at April 03, 2014 04:22 PM (FkH4y)

284 "No, the new rules are not just that you will lose on the political point, but that you will then be hounded personally for having dared to venture a contrary opinion at all. And no one has accepted that as part of the increasingly high cost of being an American." -- NOT TRUE---Actually, many of us small fry do this on a daily basis. Here's the deal on the lower levels. You want to critique my position on things, NEVER come to me whining for help on ANYTHING. NEVER cross me, or in any way give me cause to react to your stupidity. Keep your sorry ass away from me if you expect to continue your miserable scum sucking life as an oxygen thief. By the way, it HAS been a long day for me.--Cheers to all NON oxygen thieves--

Posted by: rld77 a fellow traveler at April 03, 2014 05:26 PM (/b7+Y)

285 The fact that Dave Wiegel has any status greater than latrine cleaner is a sure indicator of the end times.

Posted by: Awnree at April 03, 2014 06:19 PM (hE05f)

286 In a nice bit of irony, these leftist turds will watch a WW2 movie and root against the Nazis. Against them if you can believe it!? No self awareness at all.

Posted by: Dirks strewn at April 03, 2014 06:37 PM (77F0w)

287 Interesting article regarding Mozilla and it's immediate rejection of Eich. In particular, Rarebits homosexual couple developers, who chose to immediately withdraw business from Mozilla. http://tinyurl.com/pjov3ac

Posted by: Jen at April 03, 2014 06:41 PM (IdGqX)

288 I believe in gay marriage. If a marriage be not gay, then flee! And abandon it, for it is loveless.
Monsieur de Clueless Robisserre, 1492.

Posted by: rick at April 03, 2014 07:16 PM (snYrg)

289 For what it's worth.... I'm a gay/homo/fag.....I don't get upset at names. So have at it. I just ask that you hear me out before writing me off. I've never voted for a single Dem, or as I call them "communists". I believe in God, I drive a pickup, and build AR-15s. I lurk here from time to time, and enjoy the comments - 99% of which I agree with. Allow me to give you my insight on some of this.... I know/have known....thousands(?) of gays in the last twenty years....obviously at varying levels of knowing them. I have never met ONE who was one of these activists. Zero. I don't know who these activists are. Granted I've never lived in DC or SF. I used to email them when they would claim "the gay community wants ___". I would quite bitchily tell them they didn't speak for me, and I didn't appreciate them acting like we were children who needed them to speak for the rest of us. I'd get a mealy-mouthed/weasel worded response at best. If I thought there was anyway legal to stop them, I would have. 80-90% of gays are your typical LIV. Ask them about the latest celebrity news and they will tell you far more than you care to hear. Politics they are clueless. They are like Blacks - "Republicans are racist/anti-gay", and vote Dem reflexively because they think they are supposed to. I've known a couple who were hardcore on gay marriage. I do not know why. I debated them about it, and the only conclusion I could reach as to why it was so important to them was some sort of equality bugaboo stuck in their brain. Personally, my respect for Christianity exceeds all that neurotic bs. How does a piece of paper from the government validate a relationship? In the south there are conservative gays who respect God and country. Please don't assume we are all sick SF types who appear deadset on destroying civilization. You have some allies in our ranks, and I would hitch my wagon to my conservative straight friends if push came to shove. As many of you have noted. It looks like the Weather Underground is finally getting what they wanted. If you read this far thank you. And I will add this - I will NOT be disarmed. If we get to that point, they will kill us in some camp later anyway. I'll take as many with me as I can.

Posted by: YourMomKeepsTexting at April 03, 2014 10:29 PM (Uug4p)

290 Seriously what are we supposed to do about it? i have no idea. I personally have chosen the path of despair. Posted by: ace at April 03, 2014 06:41 PM (/FnUH) Kill every single domestic enemy of the Republic, their children, and their pets. Make a pile of their skulls. Then burn their houses and sow the places where they lived with salt.

Posted by: Thresher at April 03, 2014 11:25 PM (aGXgO)

291 I will delight in the coming misery of the left. It's going to be wonderful.

Posted by: YFS at April 03, 2014 11:42 PM (evUpK)

292 "80-90% of gays are your typical LIV. " sorry buddy, I can tell you that what you claim to be a minority is making huge steps. Even countries without ghey marriage (and very far from having also civil arrangements) have succumbed to ghey lunacy of homophobia laws or Parent1/Parent2 instead of Mother and Father. Barilla CEO comes to mind (and Italy is not in line to have ghey fraud marriage anytime soon). So the mafia is scoring important points and moving the goalpost even if they do not reach fraudghey marriage. If you tell us that the fascism is not even perpetuated by 100% of gheys (who are already 2%) but only a small minority of that, then we should all run for our lives because it is going to get really bleak. If the 0.1% of population is able to do this to the remaining 99.9%, then it means that the problem is way bigger than we think it is. You might not know personally those deranged but they are everywhere, here being the most notable exception. Any comment section of Yahoo or other mainstream blogs are full of uber militant gheys who would sell their mother to victimize people of faith (or christnazi as they call them). I am aware that the majority of those lunatics are liberal heterosexuals who just wants their gay friendly badge but still, you understand that this does not change our problem. The fucking idiot liberal Mozilla board are probably all straight. And those are the very same people who deep inside are happy not to have a ghey son but on the outside they feel the need to parade their rainbow trophy, because being validated by the ghey mob is all that is important nowadays. I guess the comparison between moderate muslims and full blown active terrorists is apt here, just that as noticed, the ghey terrorists proportionally are many more compared to mohameddans terrorists. I guess you are not doing enough among your peers to try to eradicate the hate, but do not get mad at us when pushback will come and run over non-militant types too.

Posted by: fromabroad at April 04, 2014 01:46 AM (kdlP1)

293 @297 Thanks for the reply. I didn't know how I would be received here. I can't argue with what you wrote. I've spent the last 10 years trying to figure out how we (the US) got here. Like I said, I've always lived in conservative areas. So I don't know any of the gay political activists who demonstrate publicly. Maybe online they get mouthier than they would in person due to the anonymity. I know I do, but in a conservative bent. The gay LIVs have been told they are oppressed, and believe it. I am convinced most of the left's political activism is staged, and pre-scripted kabuki using Willi Munzenberg's playbook. The sympathetic/complicit (take your pick) press reports it all as authentic. Zombietime.com has some good photos of staged SF protests, and examples of how the propaganda was published in the SF Chronicle. That's why Andrew Breitbart was so dangerous to them. He was a master at exposing their propaganda. It's the key to defeating them. We need to infiltrate, document, and expose. Again, thanks for the reply. My goal was to inform, vs. change minds.

Posted by: YourMomKeepsTexting at April 04, 2014 09:13 AM (Uug4p)

294 Ace, you were warned about this.

By myself and by fromabroad.

Yet you and other apologists like Moe Lane at Redstate always begin with some olive branch "but I'm  not a bigot!" comment typically supporting SMM.

Ye reap what ye sow. Sadly, it's all of us who are destroyed by your not realizing in TIME the dangers of the militant left and ghey lobby.

Posted by: Mehow at April 04, 2014 11:22 AM (Lz2tG)

295 And once again fromabroad is spot on.

The fear of reprisal and looking intolerant is squelching not only real world free speech rendering the 1st amendment dec facto null, it's also causing "straights" by the boatloads to live in fear and walk on eggshells, assuming they are next so they self censor themselves to appear "ghey friendly". Look at Mozilla. Look at their press releases spouting PC garbage.

Too bad Russia's laws on this crap are not more common...

Posted by: Mehow at April 04, 2014 11:28 AM (Lz2tG)

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