April 16, 2014

Lois Lerner Email Discusses IRS Criminal Investigation of Targeted Groups
— Ace

And coordinating with the DoJ and FEC, based on partisan Democrat Sheldon Whitehorse's assertion that Tea Party aligned groups had "lied" on their application forms.

From: Lerner Lois G

Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2013, 5:30 PM

To: Flax Nikole C

Cc: Grant Joseph H; Marks Nancy J

Subject: DOJ call

Importance: High


I got a call today from Richard Pilger Director Elections Crimes Branch at DOJ, I know him from contacts from my days there. He wanted to know who at IRS the DOJ folks could talk to about Sen. Whitehouse idea at the hearing that DOJ could piece together false statement cases about applicants who “lied” on their 1024s –saying they weren’t planning on doing political activity, and then turning around and making large visible political expenditures. DOJ is feeling like it needs to respond, but want to talk to the right folks at IRS to see whether there are impediments from our side and what, if any damage this might do to IRS programs.

Flax responded:

I think we should do it – also need to include CI [Criminal Investigation Division], which we can help coordinate. Also, we need to reach out to FEC. Does it make sense to consider including them in this or keep it separate?"

Posted by: Ace at 08:28 AM | Comments (298)
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1 We're in the very best of hands.

Posted by: jwpaine @PirateBallerina at April 16, 2014 08:29 AM (2oU2+)

2 So, Mr. Cooke. Rule of Law, eh?

Posted by: [/i]KG at April 16, 2014 08:29 AM (p7BzH)

3 Just lovely.

Politics driving criminal investigations?

Maybe we do need a revolution.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 16, 2014 08:30 AM (QFxY5)

4 Sigh. She's getting worse than Kryptonite.

Posted by: Clark Kent at April 16, 2014 08:30 AM (Dwehj)

5 Seems like the DOJ now has a clear conflict of interest and a independent counsel should be appointed.

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 16, 2014 08:31 AM (P1WNR)

6 I bet at $25k/month Krugtron comes up with all sorts of great ideas on how to fight income inequality. Dan McLaughlin ‏@baseballcrank So perfect. RT @Heminator: Sure, why not? "Income Inequality Institute Will Pay Paul Krugman $25,000 Per Month" http://go.shr.lc/1j0HJsR

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 16, 2014 08:31 AM (ZPrif)

7 Fuck'em all.

Posted by: Killerdog at April 16, 2014 08:32 AM (OIlFO)

8 And just where did that mental midget Senator Whitehouse hear that these Tea Party folks were making false statements? I'm guessing it's the same people who told Nancy Pelosi that Republicans hate the blacks but love the Irish.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX (@Teresa_Koch) at April 16, 2014 08:32 AM (PZ6/M)

9 strange that lately there's been talk on yahoo about Obama and his yearly pardons

Posted by: navycopjoe at April 16, 2014 08:32 AM (krmE0)

10 Nothing will come of this. But my hope is the lefties will reap what they've sown.

Posted by: kathysaysso at April 16, 2014 08:33 AM (6H6o8)

11 No wonder she took the 5th.  This is illegal and she should be in jail. She is charged with contempt now, but not criminal contempt.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at April 16, 2014 08:33 AM (T2V/1)

12 Yes, these people would NEVER hand over medical info on political opponents.

Posted by: Seems legit at April 16, 2014 08:33 AM (Ssscs)

13 The only thing about this email that bothers me is how she put "lied" in quotation marks. That part actually bothers me quite a bit.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at April 16, 2014 08:33 AM (+lsX1)

14 We'll be all over this in about three years.

Posted by: The NY Times at April 16, 2014 08:33 AM (Aif/5)

15 At this point in time, what difference does it make?

Call me when heads start adorning pikes.  Until then, it's all Beltway theater.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 16, 2014 08:33 AM (zF6Iw)

16 No better illustration of a fully corrupt and weaponized federal leviathan doing the bidding of Its democrat masters. This woman will collect a pension for the rest of her god forsaken life funded by the people she targeted. Your move Issa!!!

Posted by: Kreplach at April 16, 2014 08:34 AM (F85AX)

17 They assume the right is doing this because they already *know* they are.

Posted by: Memories at April 16, 2014 08:35 AM (6x2lr)

18 I agree completely with the need to get rid of these conservative outfits. Vote GOP! Vote for me!

Posted by: Fat Bastard Rino at April 16, 2014 08:35 AM (xWW96)

19 maybe we could trade our 'leaders' with Ukraine I bet they are less corrupt

Posted by: navycopjoe at April 16, 2014 08:35 AM (krmE0)

20 Hmmmm..... the gun.... it smokes!

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 16, 2014 08:36 AM (84gbM)

21 Perhaps an investigation of the funding of a certain President's campaign by thousands of "doodad pros" would have yielded a much juicier criminal case. Too bad the DOJ wasn't interested in that.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at April 16, 2014 08:36 AM (RZ8pf)

22

TAR AND FEATHERS!

Posted by: Jim in Virginia at April 16, 2014 08:36 AM (AVz13)

23 The United States Government is now the largest organized crime enterprise the world has ever seen.

Every mob boss wants to pay off the cops and judges.  These mob bosses employ them.  Same result.

Posted by: grognard at April 16, 2014 08:36 AM (/29Nl)

24 Runaway inflation of government.

Posted by: t-bird at April 16, 2014 08:37 AM (FcR7P)

25 Here's how that went. Cocktail party chatter about further fucking over TP groups led someone to wish they could get the DOJ on their asses. Someone else said they'd probably need an inquiry from a Senator to get one started. Someone then called Sheldon and the next day he finds himself deeply troubled and starts asking questions. Lerner midwifes the segue from cocktail party to DOJ.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 16, 2014 08:37 AM (ZshNr)

26 I like the way the bitch put scare quotes around "lies".


Kinda like I'm getting used to putting them around the words "It's The Law."

Posted by: Sharkman at April 16, 2014 08:37 AM (TM1p8)

27 Mr. White needs to figure out how to rein Lois in. Sheesh.

Posted by: Clark Kent at April 16, 2014 08:38 AM (Dwehj)

28 Alternate post title: We Are A Nation Of Laws "Lies"

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 16, 2014 08:38 AM (yFbI+)

29 Nazis.  The freakin' Democrat party is comprised of a bunch of freakin' nazis.  It's time we started  using the right terminology here. 

Posted by: BurtTC at April 16, 2014 08:38 AM (TOk1P)

30 At this point, what difference does it make?

Posted by: Hillary! at April 16, 2014 08:38 AM (sWgE+)

31 Sheldon Whorehouse.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 16, 2014 08:39 AM (CMkNk)

32 I AM THE "LIE!"

Posted by: Judege Dredd at April 16, 2014 08:39 AM (yFbI+)

33 Nazis. The freakin' Democrat party is comprised of a bunch of freakin' nazis. It's time we started using the right terminology here.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 16, 2014 12:38 PM (TOk1P)


This is absolutely, 100% accurate.  No shit.

There is effectively no difference, we are just earlier in the oppressive life cycle.

Posted by: grognard at April 16, 2014 08:39 AM (/29Nl)

34

Well, see, we do need to get to the bottom of this soon so we can make sure we ignore it faster.

That's the GOP motto.

It will only get worse...where do you suppose the trillions Jughead had his Commies spend went?

It is more and more like the movie Brazil.

Hope and Change, suckers.


Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz Commissar at April 16, 2014 08:40 AM (HQml1)

35 So, a high-level IRS official suggests selectively-prosecuting certain 501(c)(4)s for false statements. "Sounds good" is the response. And we all know what the selection criteria would be. It starts with "T" and ends with "Party." This is Flaming Skull-worthy.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 16, 2014 08:40 AM (8ZskC)

36 What a bunch of crooks.

Posted by: Zombie Richard Nixon at April 16, 2014 08:40 AM (pgQxn)

37

So  yeah, those of you getting the vapors over suggestions that there are no differences between Dems and Repubs.  The Repubs  aren't  using nazi tactics.

 

Yet.

 

But they're  all leftists. 

Posted by: BurtTC at April 16, 2014 08:40 AM (TOk1P)

38 Nothing to see here lookie loos. OT 6" of white postracial aggressive warming piling up today. Yea warmingz!!!

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 16, 2014 08:40 AM (/KiIU)

39

What are you prepared to do?

Posted by: Malone at April 16, 2014 08:40 AM (DErq5)

40 I thought they were supposed to use their personal email for this type of crap.

Posted by: elrobalo at April 16, 2014 08:40 AM (wH5Tk)

41

21 Perhaps an investigation of the funding of a certain President's campaign by thousands of "doodad pros" would have yielded a much juicier criminal case. Too bad the DOJ wasn't interested in that.

 

 

Nobody told me it was illegal for a non citizen to donate to my nephew. The website took my credit card so I figured it was ok. 

Posted by: Auntie Zeitunya at April 16, 2014 08:41 AM (AVz13)

42 This issue is over. This is the type of illegal collusion that government workers can simply walk away from. So it's over.

Posted by: Hairy Reed[/i][/b][/s][/i][/b][/s] at April 16, 2014 08:41 AM (qKrH5)

43 13 The only thing about this email that bothers me is how she put "lied" in quotation marks. That part actually bothers me quite a bit.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at April 16, 2014 12:33 PM (+lsX1)


yes this bothers me too, because you know she want to railroad these groups.


Is it true that the IRS can look your medical records now?

Posted by: Patrick Fom Ohio at April 16, 2014 08:41 AM (yrwIs)

44 Our tax dollars at work

Posted by: brak at April 16, 2014 08:42 AM (iEoiA)

45 And can you imagine the hysteria in the press if we had a GOP administration and the targets of these prosecutions were left-wing organizations? Watergate would pale in comparison. The MSM is a corrupt, malignant travesty that needs to die.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 16, 2014 08:42 AM (8ZskC)

46 I'm sure they were referring to Occupy Wall Street....

Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at April 16, 2014 08:42 AM (9+ccr)

47 Okay, so now I think I know what happened to D'nesh D'souza. D'souza was attacked/framed in retaliation/payback for this investigation. obama and his minions wanted to show people that "Republicans do it, too."

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lesbian Outreach Coordinator at April 16, 2014 08:43 AM (yFbI+)

48 So yeah, those of you getting the vapors over suggestions that there are no differences between Dems and Repubs. The Repubs aren't using nazi tactics.

Yet.

But they're all leftists.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 16, 2014 12:40 PM (TOk1P)


In the book I recommended on the prior thread, the author shows nazism as a case study in how the r-selected (bunny rabbit) left attempts to gain control of the K-selected (wolf) soldiers, so that they can more easily pit them against other K-selected groups and thereby decrease the overall competition.  The Nazis used the nationalist, patriotic fervor of the K-selected population against them, and radicalized them against another K-selected, capitalistic "threat."

Seriously, everyone.  Read that book.

Posted by: grognard at April 16, 2014 08:43 AM (/29Nl)

49 Good: IRS bringing criminal charges against conservatives Bad: IRS charged for abusing powers to persecute conservatives.

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 16, 2014 08:43 AM (XUKZU)

50 The website took my credit card so I figured it was ok.

Screw you. I'm still living in this damned hut.

Posted by: Brother 404 at April 16, 2014 08:43 AM (Dwehj)

51 strange that lately there's been talk on yahoo about Obama and his yearly pardons

Good thing there is no limit on how many.

Posted by: Any Dem in D.C at April 16, 2014 08:44 AM (LTquJ)

52 Color me surprised?

Posted by: Brother 404 at April 16, 2014 08:44 AM (Dwehj)

53 The only thing about this email that bothers me is how she put "lied" in quotation marks. That part actually bothers me quite a bit. Those tiny little marks are a huge tell.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 16, 2014 08:44 AM (HLprW)

54 Reince Priebus just sent me an email informing me that the RNC is suing the IRS over this. While Holder is head of DOJ. Yeah, that won't be tied up in Court for years.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at April 16, 2014 08:44 AM (ojnk6)

55 so what will be the legal response to this? permanent vacations at tax payer payers expense? Lerner,' i always wanted to travel the world .'

Posted by: willow at April 16, 2014 08:44 AM (nqBYe)

56 Cincinnati's "low-level employees" apparently were none to pleased with their position under the bus or in front of the truck or whatever hit them

Link to J Christian Adams at PJM.

http://cdn.pjmedia.com/tatler/files/2014/04/irs.jpg

Posted by: huerfano at April 16, 2014 08:44 AM (bAGA/)

57 DOJ, uh, what is it good for? Absolutely nothin'. Say it again.

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 16, 2014 08:45 AM (XUKZU)

58 Those tiny little marks are a huge tell.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 16, 2014 12:44 PM (HLprW)


It means she's signed on for fabrication of evidence for political persecution.  If no lie existed, they'd create it.

Posted by: grognard at April 16, 2014 08:45 AM (/29Nl)

59 When they won't obey the law, we are foolish to obey the law. Kevin Williams (National Review Online) just made an excellent argument regarding how Totalitarian regimes have always used "The Law" to oppress dissidents. He points out that it was once illegal for people to hide runaway slaves. When a Law is immoral, it compels no obedience. The secularization of the law is how we got to the point where no one sees "The Law" as an impediment to their behavior. There is no longer a universal and relatively objective standard of Morality in these United States. This condition is the seed of our current legion of dilemmas.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 16, 2014 08:45 AM (bb5+k)

60 Pilger, Flax, Lerner, Marks,.. These names sound like the names out of poor science fiction pulp.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lesbian Outreach Coordinator at April 16, 2014 08:45 AM (yFbI+)

61 Roll out the barrel.

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 16, 2014 08:45 AM (P1WNR)

62 ace put us in the grey bar hotel.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/s][/i][/b][/s] at April 16, 2014 08:45 AM (qKrH5)

63 Shit, Georrge Marrtin makes up more believable names than these!

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lesbian Outreach Coordinator at April 16, 2014 08:46 AM (yFbI+)

64 The blog just turned purple. I gotta lighten up on the choom.

Posted by: Brother 404 at April 16, 2014 08:46 AM (Dwehj)

65 Oh i know, lerner will get transfered to Health and Human services with a raise.

Posted by: willow at April 16, 2014 08:47 AM (nqBYe)

66 oooh, fancy new two-tone comments!

Posted by: Mainah at April 16, 2014 08:47 AM (659DL)

67 Hey, you grey box people sure got skinny!

Posted by: Citizen X at April 16, 2014 08:47 AM (7ObY1)

68 btw, as much as I hate (but still watch) Games Of Thrones, I'll admit that "What the fuck is a Lommy?" was a great line in a great exchange between characters.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lesbian Outreach Coordinator at April 16, 2014 08:47 AM (yFbI+)

69 This is exactly why the statists want to create lots of confusion about rule of law -- everyone knows leftwing groups also break these rules, but DOJ has nearly unbounded discretion in terms of who they go after. They're making us all lawbreakers, a la "Three Felonies a Day," because then it's really easy to control us. At the risk of being an extremist, I'm going to say this again -- I know the mechanics of secession would be very painful, but I don't know how much longer the statists will allow us to coexist with them. If we just let them build their Blue Paradise with no guns, severe limits on free speech, reduced food choice, and green energy, they can make up all the phony statistics they want to prove it's all working great while we're toasting them from the Independent Republic of Greater Texas with it's 4% unemployment, low crime, and 5% annual economic growth. Let free markets in government bloom.

Posted by: TallDave at April 16, 2014 08:48 AM (lNW+B)

70 ..who "lied" How about a little fire, Scarecrow?

Posted by: Lois Lerner at April 16, 2014 08:48 AM (8ZskC)

71 Well I know what I'm talking about Sunday!

Posted by: Bob Schieffer at April 16, 2014 08:49 AM (l3vZN)

72 Posted by: Soothsayer, Lesbian Outreach Coordinator at April 16, 2014 12:47 PM (yFbI+) Game of Thrones: Come for the Lommy. Stay for the floppy wieners.

Posted by: naturalfake at April 16, 2014 08:49 AM (0cMkb)

73 btw, as much as I hate (but still watch) Games Of Thrones, I'll admit that "What the fuck is a Lommy?" was a great line in a great exchange between characters.

You are truly the undisputed master of free association.

Posted by: Brother 404 at April 16, 2014 08:49 AM (Dwehj)

74 29 Nazis. The freakin' Democrat party is comprised of a bunch of freakin' nazis. It's time we started using the right terminology here. Posted by: BurtTC at April 16, 2014 12:38 PM (TOk1P) Been saying that for quite some time. Yes, they are all wannabe Nazis.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 16, 2014 08:49 AM (bb5+k)

75 72 Posted by: Soothsayer, Lesbian Outreach Coordinator at April 16, 2014 12:47 PM (yFbI+) Game of Thrones: Come for the Lommy. Stay for the floppy wieners. --- Hodor hodor hodor hodor hodor!

Posted by: Hodor at April 16, 2014 08:50 AM (APuJ7)

76 Last night I heroically stated that arresting a woman for leaving a six month old locked in a hot car is punishing the poor.

Posted by: Chris Hayes at April 16, 2014 08:50 AM (Aif/5)

77 The blog just turned purple. I gotta lighten up on the choom. Posted by: Brother 404 Thanks for the belly laugh, I needed it today!

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at April 16, 2014 08:50 AM (l3vZN)

78 My floppy wiener has a first name, it's B-A-R-R-Y

Posted by: Citizen X at April 16, 2014 08:50 AM (7ObY1)

79 How about a little fire, Scarecrow? I just re-watched Wizard of Oz. I'd forgotten that after Dorothy and gang visit the Wizard the first time Scarecrow wanders through the rest of the movie with a very fake-looking revolver! That cracked me up.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/s][/i][/b][/s] at April 16, 2014 08:50 AM (qKrH5)

80 17 They assume the right is doing this because they already *know* they are. Posted by: Memories at April 16, 2014 12:35 PM (6x2lr) THIS. They project, always. This is what they do so the right must be doing it too.

Posted by: joncelli at April 16, 2014 08:50 AM (RD7QR)

81

When they won't obey the law, we are foolish to obey the law.[\i]

 

I was arguing with some brain dead lib about that the other day.

When Holder and Obama choose to ignore laws, there are no laws.

Now they want to get all weeweed up about Bundy not following the law.

FTS

Posted by: Roland THTG at April 16, 2014 08:50 AM (QM5S2)

82 Don't forget Shirley Sherrod, the woman who Andrew Breitbart had the goods on. She was as crooked as they come. But somehow she wriggled out of that jam and turned the tables. And some here, I won't mention any names, joined the Left's chorus in condemning Breitbart for releasing that edited tape.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lesbian Outreach Coordinator at April 16, 2014 08:50 AM (yFbI+)

Posted by: Roland THTG at April 16, 2014 08:51 AM (QM5S2)

84 I wouldn't worry too much about this guys. It's just the bureaucracy that's utterly corrupt. We can vote them out.

Posted by: gwelf at April 16, 2014 08:51 AM (TJ8HB)

85 so what will be the legal response to this?
permanent vacations at tax payer payers expense?
Lerner,' i always wanted to travel the world .'

Posted by: willow at April 16, 2014 12:44 PM (nqBYe)

 

I think this is what animates a lot of the LIB crowd.  We know  that Lerner will walk away from this, just as Hairy Reid will die in his bed   rich and happy.  No matter what corruption, crime or outright murder is committed, our ruling class gets away with it, and, moreover, prospers.  The only way any of these bastards will suffer - at all - is if the entire system collapses and they are at the mercy of an armed and pissed off public.

 

It is, I believe, the gut-wrenching knowledge, the near certainty, that we will fight and scrape and struggle the rest of our lives in order to keep our heads above water while the Pelosis and Reids and Boehners of the world grow fat on our taxes that is fueling the LIB mentality.  We're growing (certainly I am) from an attitude of "I want these bastards defeated" to "I want these bastards hanging from a lamppost."

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 16, 2014 08:51 AM (zF6Iw)

86 The things these idiots are willing to state in emails is astounding. It's like they know there will be no consequences or something.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at April 16, 2014 08:51 AM (ojnk6)

87 btw, as much as I hate (but still watch) Games Of Thrones, I'll admit that "What the fuck is a Lommy?" was a great line in a great exchange between characters. --- What the hell is an Aluminum Falcon?!?

Posted by: Emperor Palpatine at April 16, 2014 08:51 AM (APuJ7)

88 This is shocking. Just shocking. *hic*

Posted by: John Boehner at April 16, 2014 08:51 AM (8ZskC)

89 Why does Chris Hayes bounce around in his seat like a kid who's out of Ritalin?

Posted by: Citizen X at April 16, 2014 08:51 AM (7ObY1)

90 Laws are for the little people, by which I mean Conservative Republicans.

// L Lerner Atty at Law

Posted by: Sven 10077 at April 16, 2014 08:51 AM (TE35l)

91

Anyone who paid their taxes by yesterday doesn't have to worry about the IRS.  This is a nothingburger, which is the only thing I don't like on a diner menu.  Instead of complaining, you should be more like the people of Boston, who are soaring.  Soaring I tell you.

 

So suck it, wingnuts.

Posted by: Joe Biden at April 16, 2014 08:51 AM (sWgE+)

92

\ / \ / \ / \ / \

WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE??????????

Posted by: Roland THTG at April 16, 2014 08:52 AM (QM5S2)

93 disillusioned with the whole govt process. everything seems corrupt.

Posted by: willow at April 16, 2014 08:52 AM (nqBYe)

94 The Repubs aren't using nazi tactics. Yet. But they're all leftists. Posted by: BurtTC at April 16, 2014 12:40 PM (TOk1P) And i'm damned angry about it. We should have been trying to fuck them the way they've always been trying to fuck us. We should have been trying to get the broadcast licenses pulled from the fucking propaganda networks who masquerade as "news" sources. *WE* should have been weaponizing government against these fucking communists.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 16, 2014 08:52 AM (bb5+k)

95 the funny thing is, those demand letters themselves should be air tight case that the IRS was acting criminally. Also, it's not perjury to promise to never do anything and then do it. Can we send this bitch to jail yet? And why isn't there a special prosecutor, every democrat of consequence has fingerprints on this abuse.

Posted by: joeindc44 at April 16, 2014 08:52 AM (DTVYh)

96 Soon as we find that plane, we'll get right on this story.

Posted by: CNN at April 16, 2014 08:53 AM (7ObY1)

97

And Reid has the fucking audacity  to say that Bundy is breaking the law.

 

I consider  Wash. DC  lawless.  We're living under tyranny.

Posted by: Soona at April 16, 2014 08:53 AM (rmw4m)

98
Ah Mrs Lerner.....

Hearing your tales has made me proud.   You overcame and have absolutely soared. 

It was worth it.  Worth it.

--- Joey Biden

Posted by: fixerupper at April 16, 2014 08:53 AM (nELVU)

99 everything seems is corrupt.

Posted by: willow at April 16, 2014 12:52 PM (nqBYe)


- FIFY

Posted by: grognard at April 16, 2014 08:53 AM (/29Nl)

100 Just got begging post from the GOP- Stating they're bringing suit against the IRS based on Freedom of Information Act- meh, I'll wait and see if they really get aggressive in their push back or not. Aggressive in my book is advertising the fact that they have to file suit against the lawless BO administration as in advertising on TV or at least on the web- Get the info out where the LiVs can see it. Otherwise, money stays in wallet.

Posted by: naturalfake at April 16, 2014 08:53 AM (0cMkb)

101 89 Why does Chris Hayes bounce around in his seat like a kid who's out of Ritalin? Posted by: Citizen X at April 16, 2014 12:51 PM (7ObY1) The question answers itself. Seriously, the guy looks like a precocious, sexually ambiguous 13-year-old.

Posted by: joncelli at April 16, 2014 08:54 AM (RD7QR)

102 Here...pull on my finger.

Posted by: Smokin' Uncle Joe Biden at April 16, 2014 08:54 AM (Dwehj)

103 >>55 so what will be the legal response to this? permanent vacations at tax payer payers expense? Lerner,' i always wanted to travel the world .' She should go "around the world" in the Greek sense of the phrase.

Posted by: Aviator at April 16, 2014 08:54 AM (u1ZOY)

104 Watched the latest episode of the show "Unforgettable". They had an American who was conspiring with terrorists and tried to explain how he was patriotic because of his end goal. "This is our Boston Tea Party," he proclaimed. Stop recording this series," I proclaimed to my DVR.

Posted by: Mama AJ at April 16, 2014 08:54 AM (SUKHu)

105 btw, as much as I hate (but still watch) Games Of Thrones Man, I thought I was the only one. I wish I could explain this phenomenon.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 16, 2014 08:55 AM (HLprW)

106 oh right, I forget, not letting massive abuse of power by entrenched bureaucrats in the IRS and their DNC enablers is only going to drive moderates from the GOP. Better to instead drive massive influxes of new democrat voters into the country.

Posted by: joeindc44 at April 16, 2014 08:55 AM (DTVYh)

107 Breaking NEWS!! Plane still not found. /Breaking NEWS!!

Posted by: CNN[/i][/b][/s][/i][/b][/s] at April 16, 2014 08:55 AM (qKrH5)

108 Just got begging post from the GOP- Stating they're bringing suit against the IRS based on Freedom of Information Act- The GOP is always just getting ready to pounce. All it needs is a few more of your dollars.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 16, 2014 08:55 AM (8ZskC)

109 - " ace of spades to the white courtesy phone ... ace of spades to the white courtesy phone ..." _

Posted by: --- IRS at April 16, 2014 08:55 AM (4CVLy)

110 The MSM is a corrupt, malignant travesty that needs to die. Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 16, 2014 12:42 PM (8ZskC) And we should have been actively working to choke the living shit out of it since that shit it pulled in getting Clinton defaulted into the Presidency. Again people, our number one target OUGHT to be one party control of the media. It is the linchpin maintaining those fucking communists in power.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 16, 2014 08:55 AM (bb5+k)

111 She should go "around the world" in the Greek sense of the phrase. --- Did someone say Greek?!?

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at April 16, 2014 08:55 AM (APuJ7)

112 Why does Chris Hayes bounce around in his seat like a kid who's out of Ritalin?

Posted by: Citizen X at April 16, 2014 12:51 PM


Pinworms.

Posted by: huerfano at April 16, 2014 08:56 AM (bAGA/)

113 We should have been trying to get the broadcast licenses pulled from the fucking propaganda networks who masquerade as "news" sources.

*WE* should have been weaponizing government against these fucking communists.

Yeah, everyone knows that the only defense against an oppressive government is a government that oppresses the people you disagree with. There's no way that could backfire!

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at April 16, 2014 08:56 AM (+lsX1)

114 105 btw, as much as I hate (but still watch) Games Of Thrones Man, I thought I was the only one. I wish I could explain this phenomenon. Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 16, 2014 12:55 PM (HLprW) I think the phrase you're looking for is "frequent and explicit simulated sex acts." Hope this helps.

Posted by: joncelli at April 16, 2014 08:56 AM (RD7QR)

115 I wonder if Lois Lerner was a heavy marijuana user ...


For the first time, researchers at Northwestern University have analyzed the relationship between casual use of marijuana and brain changes – and found that young adults who used cannabis just once or twice a week showed significant abnormalities in two important brain structures.

The studyÂ’s findings, to be published Wednesday in the Journal of Neuroscience, are similar to those of past research linking chronic, long-term marijuana use with mental illness and changes in brain development.

Dr. Hans Breiter, co-senior study author, said he was inspired to look at the effects of casual marijuana use after previous work in his lab found that heavy cannabis use caused similar brain abnormalities to those seen in patients with schizophrenia.


... I'm sure that Legislators will be looking to create yet another set of bathrooms for those with abnormal brains.

Posted by: Cheech-and-Chong at April 16, 2014 08:57 AM (e8kgV)

116 Yeah, everyone knows that the only defense against an oppressive government is a government that oppresses the people you disagree with. There's no way that could backfire! --- There are other defenses, but discussions of some types are frowned upon.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at April 16, 2014 08:57 AM (APuJ7)

117 It's not for the boobage; I skip all the sex scenes. I appreciate the contriving and the vengeance, the most, I think.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lesbian Outreach Coordinator at April 16, 2014 08:57 AM (yFbI+)

118 Man, I thought I was the only one. I wish I could explain this phenomenon. The power of boobs compels you! Do what I did, watch it until you see a dong, then say to yourself, "That's too many dongs, I'm out."

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/s][/i][/b][/s] at April 16, 2014 08:57 AM (qKrH5)

119 so honestly what is to be done? does anyone have standing at the harrassment ; irs ,epa etc threats , economic debilitation , for supporting the wrong party?

Posted by: willow at April 16, 2014 08:58 AM (nqBYe)

120 89 Why does Chris Hayes bounce around in his seat like a kid who's out of Ritalin? .......................That butt plug ain't gonna thrust itself you know.

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 16, 2014 08:58 AM (/KiIU)

121 Watched a great rockumentary last night: RUSH: Beyond the Lighted Stage One of the best rockumentaries I've ever seen. Really nice how those 3 guys have stayed together all these decades without killing each other, succumbing to drug abuse, etc. They just come across as 3 really great Canadian guys who really care about each other and their music and their fans. In the film, Gene Simmons says that when on tour with them, Kiss would be having orgies in their hotel rooms while RUSH stayed in their rooms reading books and going to bed early. Even if you're not a big fan, it's a great flick. Really well done.

Posted by: Citizen X at April 16, 2014 08:58 AM (7ObY1)

122 I hate to be Debbie Downer here but as I have said before, nothing at all will come from any of this. No one in this regime will be held responsible, and Preznit Passive Aggressive will blanket pardon everyone even remotely associated with the regime. We will be made to suffer even more insidious scandals before all is said and done.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 16, 2014 08:58 AM (32Ze2)

123 Let free markets in government bloom. Posted by: TallDave at April 16, 2014 12:48 PM (lNW+B) You have, perhaps, a solution to the problem of Dollars?

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 16, 2014 08:58 AM (bb5+k)

124 Let free markets in government bloom.

Posted by: TallDave at April 16, 2014 12:48 PM (lNW+B)

 

It's hard to take secessionists or the idea of state secession seriously.  For one thing, these ideological, right/left divisions don't conveniently align with state boundaries. For another, few people outside Texas hold bone-deep state allegiances, for lack of a better term.  Most people consider themselves first and foremost Americans, not Buckeyes or Hoosiers or whatever. We have cars, now.

 

Further, there is no single issue (such as slavery prior to the Civil War) over which a compromise cannot be reached.  Lastly, any attempt at secession by any state or group of states will result in a military response from the federal government--with majority support from the American public.

 

So cut it out, please. Secession as an idea or movement is a nonstarter.

Posted by: troyriser at April 16, 2014 09:00 AM (2jF2B)

125 " ace of spades to the white courtesy phone ...
ace of spades to the white courtesy phone ..."
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Posted by: --- IRS at April 16, 2014 12:55 PM (4CVLy)


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IRS has passed the baton.   Repeat.  Passed the baton.


White phone targeting coordinates in 5 . . . . 4 . . . . . 3 . . . . 2

Posted by: Drone Strike Command at April 16, 2014 09:00 AM (nELVU)

126 These are more Right Wing lies. I'll believe this when MediaMatters talks about it at the next Democratic rally held by the Center for American Progress.

Posted by: Daybrother at April 16, 2014 09:00 AM (50HUs)

127 not including the union membbers that were set against private citizens er Banksters etc , or occupy set against the rich. yes this was all free wheeling demonstrations not encouraged and funded by the progressive party.

Posted by: willow at April 16, 2014 09:00 AM (nqBYe)

128
There are other defenses, but discussions of some types are frowned upon.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at April 16, 2014 12:57 PM (APuJ7)


As long as some insist on treating political opposition as anything but an existential threat, it is inevitable that said opposition will eventually usher in collapse.  They need to be marginalized and shunned, not treated with diplomacy.  Diplomacy means they've won.  They need to be insulted, ostracized, and ridiculed.

This is not to shame them, for they have none.  This is to trigger the deepest fear of any leftist - of being excluded and cast out of society.  For without the ability to be a parasite, they know they cannot survive.


Posted by: grognard at April 16, 2014 09:01 AM (/29Nl)

129 86 The things these idiots are willing to state in emails is astounding. It's like they know there will be no consequences or something. Posted by: ManWithNoParty at April 16, 2014 12:51 PM (ojnk6) Well, not till Holder is gone anyway. Obama will probably give them "out the door" pardons too. I say we ignore any Obama pardons and burn them anyway. Rule of law? What rule of law?

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 16, 2014 09:01 AM (bb5+k)

130 hate to be Debbie Downer here but as I have said before, nothing at all will come from any of this. No one in this regime will be held responsible, and Preznit Passive Aggressive will blanket pardon everyone even remotely associated with the regime. We will be made to suffer even more insidious scandals before all is said and done. ****** I mean yeah, the GOP leadership is more concerned about amnesty than about protecting its base or donors, or even its younger politicians. So, whatevers, fighting back against the various criminal organizations operating under the progressive flag will only drive moderates from the GOP.

Posted by: joeindc44 at April 16, 2014 09:01 AM (DTVYh)

131 Come now people, these conversations grow tedious using the binary paradigm of Establishment vs. Tea Party. We need at least 5 levels of shading between the two. Then snappy names for each.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 16, 2014 09:01 AM (ZshNr)

132 Pretty good snark from Twitter: What do Obama and Putin play? The game of phones.

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 16, 2014 09:02 AM (XUKZU)

133 I think the phrase you're looking for is "frequent and explicit simulated sex acts." Hope this helps. One would think, but that would apply 30 years ago before More Free Porn Than You Have Time For. Crappy simulated sex just doesn't have the same attraction it used to.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 16, 2014 09:02 AM (HLprW)

134 124 Troyriser,

Uh Troy the left have this quaint idea they can nickle and dime away the bill of rights and our property.

That's pretty non-negotiable and an earnest position on both sides.

Posted by: Sven 10077 at April 16, 2014 09:02 AM (TE35l)

135 btw, as much as I hate (but still watch) Games Of Thrones


Man, I thought I was the only one. I wish I could explain this phenomenon.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 16, 2014 12:55 PM (HLprW)



Can't watch the show, and finally gave up reading the books halfway through the fourth one, when I screamed:  "FOR THE LOVE OF FUCK, SMOD, WHERE ARE YOU!?!?!?!?!?!  KILL THEM ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Sharkman at April 16, 2014 09:03 AM (TM1p8)

136 Hang every last one from a lightpole or tree.

Posted by: Dick (@DicksTrash) at April 16, 2014 09:04 AM (GrtrJ)

137 131 Come now people, these conversations grow tedious using the binary paradigm of Establishment vs. Tea Party. We need at least 5 levels of shading between the two. Then snappy names for each. Posted by: Lincolntf at April 16, 2014 01:01 PM (ZshNr) (From Tea Party to Establishment): 1. Damp 2. Squishy 3. Wet 4. Swampy 5. Traitor I might need to think that last one over a little more.

Posted by: joncelli at April 16, 2014 09:04 AM (RD7QR)

138 "I knew what I was doing; it was symbolism. The performance got the best of me." That's what the idiot who left the backpack with the rice cooker in it at the marathon finish line yesterday said to the arraignment judge. He is, of course, now reported to have a history of mental illness, and was "off" his meds. Bullshit. I'll bet my left nut he's a typical deranged Left Winger making a political statement.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lesbian Outreach Coordinator at April 16, 2014 09:05 AM (yFbI+)

139 you guys don't understand, we can't impeach obama, or even publicly disagree with him. He's super popular and the first black pres. signed, xxoo GOP leaderships

Posted by: joeindc44 at April 16, 2014 09:05 AM (DTVYh)

140 Well, not till Holder is gone anyway. Obama will probably give them "out the door" pardons too. I say we ignore any Obama pardons and burn them anyway. Rule of law? What rule of law? Posted by: D-Lamp at April 16, 2014 01:01 PM (bb5+k) -------------- Yeah, I mentioned the Holder thing upthread. They know he has their back, so they're getting blatant about this type of activity.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at April 16, 2014 09:05 AM (ojnk6)

141 And just where did that mental midget Senator Whitehouse hear that these Tea Party folks were making false statements?

I'm guessing it's the same people who told Nancy Pelosi that Republicans hate the blacks but love the Irish.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX (@Teresa_Koch) at April 16, 2014 12:32 PM (PZ6/M)



Whitehouse was on FNS shilling for "all the people that have been helped by" 404Care with anecdotal horseshit from the smallest state of the union.  He looked and sounded like a fucking retard so none of his involvement is surprising.

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 16, 2014 09:06 AM (pQf67)

142 I might need to think that last one over a little more.

Posted by: joncelli at April 16, 2014 01:04 PM (RD7QR)


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psssst. . . .   seditious


Seditious is the word youre looking for....


Posted by: Drone Strike Command at April 16, 2014 09:06 AM (nELVU)

143 Right now there is a big bucket of payback filling. They are not going to like the taste of that once they're out of power.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 16, 2014 09:06 AM (GGCsk)

144 We need at least 5 levels of shading between the two. Then snappy names for each. Can we do acronyms and asterisks like the gender-confused crowd? Because that's not confusing at all.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 16, 2014 09:06 AM (HLprW)

145 Posted by: grognard at April 16, 2014 01:01 PM (/29Nl) I must say that your approach sounds extraordinarily rude and might upset our bi-partisan friends across the aisle!

Posted by: Hrothgar GOPe Spokeperson at April 16, 2014 09:06 AM (o3MSL)

146 Yeah, everyone knows that the only defense against an oppressive government is a government that oppresses the people you disagree with. There's no way that could backfire! Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at April 16, 2014 12:56 PM (+lsX1) You gotta be kidding? If it's going to backfire on anyone, it's going to be the libs. We are getting the FRONTFIRE. And you think it would have been stupid for us to do it first? We are currently reaping the consequences of them doing it, without getting any of the benefits from us doing it. We should have been doing it first, and fuck the consequences. They could be no worse than they are currently.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 16, 2014 09:06 AM (bb5+k)

147 It's hard to take secessionists or the idea of state secession seriously. For one thing, these ideological, right/left divisions don't conveniently align with state boundaries. For another, few people outside Texas hold bone-deep state allegiances, for lack of a better term. Most people consider themselves first and foremost Americans, not Buckeyes or Hoosiers or whatever. We have cars, now.

Further, there is no single issue (such as slavery prior to the Civil War) over which a compromise cannot be reached. Lastly, any attempt at secession by any state or group of states will result in a military response from the federal government--with majority support from the American public.

So cut it out, please. Secession as an idea or movement is a nonstarter.

Posted by: troyriser at April 16, 2014 01:00 PM (2jF2B)

 

 

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Exactly where do you live?   State identity is alive and well here in Oklahoma.  You need to visit a few more states before you make a blanket statement like that.

Posted by: Soona at April 16, 2014 09:06 AM (rmw4m)

148 Issa's never laid a hand on this administration, and he won't as long as the MSM is nothing more than a Democrat propaganda device. Until the right finds some way to break through to the average LIV, we're boned. Fox News was a great start, but it's been effectively delegitimized. I wonder if there'd be any way to wield greater influence in local newsrooms on Fox stations. Local new personalities have shown some interest in asking inconvenient questions of Obama in the past. Perhaps is Fox News started promoting some of these local players who are willing to do so, it might incentivize others.

Posted by: Xander Crews at April 16, 2014 09:06 AM (zST0a)

149 off off crappy sock....

Posted by: fixerupper at April 16, 2014 09:06 AM (nELVU)

150 you guys don't understand, we can't impeach obama, or even publicly disagree with him. He's super popular and the first black pres. signed, xxoo GOP leaderships From the tail end of the last thread: The difference between D & R is???

Posted by: rickb223 at April 16, 2014 09:07 AM (xorT2)

151 Dick's position will be known as TP3, the most extreme of TP views. TP2 will be less so, TP1 much closer to the middle. To bracket it, EST3 will be the position that you would deliberately vote for Statist politicians to achieve your Socialist goals under the banner of the Republican Party. Surely there are four gradients in between.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 16, 2014 09:07 AM (ZshNr)

152 From the tail end of the last thread:
The difference between D & R is???

Posted by: rickb223 at April 16, 2014 01:07 PM (xorT2)




One wants you dead, and uses the other one as a proxy to fight you while they sneak up to stab you in the back.

The other one is the clueless and willing proxy.

Posted by: grognard at April 16, 2014 09:08 AM (/29Nl)

153


I don't see what the story is here, not much to go on.

- Media


Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz Commissar at April 16, 2014 09:09 AM (HQml1)

154 151 Dick's position will be known as TP3, the most extreme of TP views. TP2 will be less so, TP1 much closer to the middle. To bracket it, EST3 will be the position that you would deliberately vote for Statist politicians to achieve your Socialist goals under the banner of the Republican Party. Surely there are four gradients in between. Posted by: Lincolntf at April 16, 2014 01:07 PM (ZshNr) I foresee a honkin' big PNG file coming out of this.

Posted by: joncelli at April 16, 2014 09:09 AM (RD7QR)

155 Crappy simulated sex just doesn't have the same attraction it used to.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 16, 2014 01:02 PM (HLprW)

Especially since you can get married and have crappy real sex!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 16, 2014 09:10 AM (QFxY5)

156 As things stand nothing can be done. After November, if everyone does their part, there will be more options. Win all three branches of government and then go after the bastards, whether retired or not by that stage.

Posted by: Decaf at April 16, 2014 09:10 AM (ilbeM)

157 127 not including the union membbers that were set against private citizens er Banksters etc , or occupy set against the rich.

yes this was all free wheeling demonstrations not encouraged and funded by the progressive party.

Posted by: willow at April 16, 2014 01:00 PM (nqBYe)

 

I wonder what they are trying to decide to fund and push for this August.  You know its coming.

Posted by: buzzion at April 16, 2014 09:10 AM (LI48c)

158 From the tail end of the last thread: The difference between D & R is??? Posted by: rickb223 at April 16, 2014 01:07 PM (xorT2) I think the Repubs usually wear cheaper suits!

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 16, 2014 09:10 AM (o3MSL)

159 Dick's position will be known as TP3, the most extreme of TP views. TP2 will be less so, TP1 much closer to the middle. To bracket it, EST3 will be the position that you would deliberately vote for Statist politicians to achieve your Socialist goals under the banner of the Republican Party. Surely there are four gradients in between. Posted by: Lincolntf at April 16, 2014 01:07 PM (ZshNr) I foresee a honkin' big PNG file coming out of this. As long as it has plaid maps.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 16, 2014 09:10 AM (xorT2)

160

Fox News was a great start, but it's been effectively delegitimized.

 

 

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Oh really?  Show me  where you're finding your information to make that claim.  Last I  saw, FNC is kicking ass.

Posted by: Soona at April 16, 2014 09:10 AM (rmw4m)

161 We know that Lerner will walk away from this, just as Hairy Reid will die in his bed rich and happy. There are two things that they have in common. They are Democrats and they are lawyers. I know people don't want to hear it, but the role that the legal profession plays in today's society is that of uber-legislator or uber-executive. You ask if they will be held responsible. By whom? Their lifelong friends from law school? Even non-lawyer Democrats can get into trouble for scandals (see Filner, for instance). But the lawyers just don't give up because they know they don't have to.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 16, 2014 09:11 AM (T0NGe)

162

The only thing the Democrats aren't doing is talking with German accents. Then the picture would be complete.

And laughable - as they call   us Nazi's in their German accents. Totally obliviously, of course.

Posted by: LGoPs at April 16, 2014 09:11 AM (+2dx9)

163
Everybody thinks that Holder is the cover for the administration.

The REAL cover comes from the MFM.    Look for any mention of this e-mail on ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, PBS or any of the papers.

Get back with us how many stories were run.....

My prediction?????  Zero.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 16, 2014 09:11 AM (nELVU)

164 Especially since you can get married and have crappy real sex! Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 16, 2014 01:10 PM (QFxY5 ________________ Hallway Sex. You pass each other in the Hall and each spouse mutters "Fuck You" under their breathe.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 16, 2014 09:11 AM (32Ze2)

165 So cut it out, please. Secession as an idea or movement is a nonstarter. Posted by: troyriser at April 16, 2014 01:00 PM (2jF2B) http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/state-wants.jpg

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 16, 2014 09:11 AM (bb5+k)

166 152 From the tail end of the last thread: The difference between D R is??? Posted by: rickb223 at April 16, 2014 01:07 PM (xorT2) One wants you dead, and uses the other one as a proxy to fight you while they sneak up to stab you in the back.The other one is the clueless and willing proxy. Posted by: grognard at April 16, 2014 01:08 PM (/29Nl) And yet neither have ampersands.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 16, 2014 09:12 AM (T0NGe)

167 Hallway Sex. You pass each other in the Hall and each spouse mutters "Fuck You" under their breathe. Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 16, 2014 01:11 PM (32Ze2) Do you do marriage counseling on the side?

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 16, 2014 09:12 AM (o3MSL)

168 Since we're over a 100 comments, anyone have a good non-Google email client recommendation? I'm using Thunderbird, and some emails that I should be seeing just go off into the ether. There isn't even a junk folder to see if stuff iis ending up there.

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at April 16, 2014 09:13 AM (yE8uc)

169 As long as some insist on treating political opposition as anything but an existential threat, it is inevitable that said opposition will eventually usher in collapse. They need to be marginalized and shunned, not treated with diplomacy. Diplomacy means they've won. They need to be insulted, ostracized, and ridiculed. This is not to shame them, for they have none. This is to trigger the deepest fear of any leftist - of being excluded and cast out of society. For without the ability to be a parasite, they know they cannot survive. Posted by: grognard at April 16, 2014 01:01 PM (/29Nl) Well said. It needs repeating.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 16, 2014 09:13 AM (bb5+k)

170 Hallway Sex. You pass each other in the Hall and each spouse mutters "Fuck You" under their breathe. Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 16, 2014 01:11 PM (32Ze2) Do you do marriage counseling on the side? Posted by: Hrothgar at April 16, 2014 01:12 PM (o3MSL) ________________ I am available for a nominal fee.....

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 16, 2014 09:13 AM (32Ze2)

171 I wonder what they are trying to decide to fund and push for this August. You know its coming.

Posted by: buzzion at April 16, 2014 01:10 PM (LI48c)

 

 

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As I've said in the past, they have "student loan forgiveness" waiting in the wings.  And they won't have to pass a thing.  The younger people will flock back  to the dems  in droves just by them bringing the issue up.

Posted by: Soona at April 16, 2014 09:14 AM (rmw4m)

172 Probably mentioned already, but this collusion with the DOJ would go a long ways in explaining why the True The Vote people were targeted not only by the IRS, but also by the ATF. We can only guess how OSHA also got involved. Pure coincidence I'm sure, because lightning regularly strikes the same spot thrice in one storm.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at April 16, 2014 09:14 AM (SY2Kh)

173 And yet neither have ampersands. For a no interest loan of only $2 billion, I'll start a company to manufacture them. &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&

Posted by: rickb223 at April 16, 2014 09:14 AM (xorT2)

174 buzzion, Yes, there will be new and improved fkry, because so far it works for them. However, they are destroying a cohesive society and setting themselves up for the Same treatment they are dealing out. i will personally never forgive them for setting citizen against citizen in this way. not that what i do matters.

Posted by: willow at April 16, 2014 09:14 AM (nqBYe)

175 Whitehouse was on FNS shilling for "all the people that have been helped by" 404Care with anecdotal horseshit from the smallest state of the union. He looked and sounded like a fucking retard so none of his involvement is surprising. Posted by: Captain Hate He literally looked and sounded like a cheap PR hack sent out of a real estate firm meeting to explain why poison dog food being spread out over lawns of properties for sale was a big hit with all the neighbors.

Posted by: Daybrother at April 16, 2014 09:14 AM (50HUs)

176 Come now people, these conversations grow tedious using the binary paradigm of Establishment vs. Tea Party. We need at least 5 levels of shading between the two. Then snappy names for each. 1) Tea Party 2) Camomile Tea Party 3) Tepid Tap Water Party 4) Warm Bucket of Piss Party 5) Lemon Party 6) GOP Establisment

Posted by: naturalfake at April 16, 2014 09:14 AM (0cMkb)

177 And you think it would have been stupid for us to do it first? We are currently reaping the consequences of them doing it, without getting any of the benefits from us doing it.

We should have been doing it first, and fuck the consequences. They could be no worse than they are currently.

Yeah man, a big oppressive government that's on our side would be awesome! Your ideas are super good and firmly rooted in the lessons of history.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at April 16, 2014 09:15 AM (+lsX1)

178 He is, of course, now reported to have a history of mental illness, and was "off" his meds. Bullshit. I'll bet my left nut he's a typical deranged Left Winger making a political statement. Posted by: Soothsayer, Lesbian Outreach Coordinator at April 16, 2014 01:05 PM (yFbI+) The difference is trivial.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 16, 2014 09:15 AM (bb5+k)

179 say or do or think* matters.

Posted by: willow at April 16, 2014 09:15 AM (nqBYe)

180 Well said. It needs repeating.


Posted by: D-Lamp at April 16, 2014 01:13 PM (bb5+k)


Thanks.  Wish I could take credit for the idea, but I can't.  I am only paraphrasing.


The short form is that we're all fucked unless we start kicking these assholes to the curb, and calling them out for what they are, and we take control of our leadership again.

Posted by: grognard at April 16, 2014 09:15 AM (/29Nl)

181 For a no interest loan of only $2 billion, I'll start a company to manufacture them. &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& Posted by: rickb223 at April 16, 2014 01:14 PM (xorT2) No problem, but first we need you to fill out this short ideological questionnaire.

Posted by: The IRS at April 16, 2014 09:16 AM (HLprW)

182
As I've said in the past, they have "student loan forgiveness" waiting in the wings. And they won't have to pass a thing. The younger people will flock back to the dems in droves just by them bringing the issue up.

Posted by: Soona at April 16, 2014 01:14 PM (rmw4m)

 

Well that's what the dems in power might try.  I'm talking about whatever fake grassroots movement they'll push and fund.

Posted by: buzzion at April 16, 2014 09:16 AM (LI48c)

183 What is the Russian word for Lebensraum?

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 16, 2014 09:16 AM (32Ze2)

184 " Secession as an idea or movement is a nonstarter."

Disagree very much with that. Depends on the first state to go. IMHO that would be Texas. Oklahoma will soon follow, then followed very shortly by Mississippi, Kansas, and Wyoming.


South Dakota and North Dakota will next to cut off any and all thought of fighting another civil war along a north south axis.

Then, I can't think of any Red State that would want to stay in this version of a federal union. IMO all this will take place within a very short period of time. Say a week to ten days.


If it is fought at all it will be along a east west and west east axis. Just not enough federal troops to cover all that territory.

Being from Illinois and still living here, I can say that at least my part of it would jump at the chance to rid ourselves of D.C., Springfield, and Chicago. But mostly Chicago.

Posted by: K. Rove at April 16, 2014 09:16 AM (nkPV9)

185 The Makers Mark Party I'm so in.

Posted by: Citizen X at April 16, 2014 09:17 AM (7ObY1)

186 143 Right now there is a big bucket of payback filling. They are not going to like the taste of that once they're out of power. Posted by: Marcus T at April 16, 2014 01:06 PM (GGCsk) Assuming we can get them out of power. With the effectiveness of their propaganda corps (MSM) they have a pretty strong hold on remaining in power.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 16, 2014 09:17 AM (bb5+k)

187 Last I saw, FNC is kicking ass.

It is indisputably kicking ass... among politically active people and compared to MSNBC and CNN. However if you ask any LIV about Fox News, they will either indicate that they don't watch of that it's Faux News. In spite of all it's ass kicking, FNC has been unable to make major scandals like Fast & Furious, Benghazi, and the IRS water cooler topics. Fox News is great at what it does, but it can't do so alone.

Posted by: Xander Crews at April 16, 2014 09:17 AM (zST0a)

188 Hey, The Feds are going to give millions of our tax dollars to bail out Detroit. What could go wrong?

Posted by: Citizen X at April 16, 2014 09:18 AM (7ObY1)

189 I think TP2 would be described as "will vote for a Republican, but only if he mirrors my/TeaParty views at least 90%, and has zero instances of violating those ideals over his career". EST2 would be "Much more comfortable with established candidates I have voted for before, and have faith that the RNC knows what they're doing".

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 16, 2014 09:18 AM (ZshNr)

190 If it is fought at all it will be along a east west and west east axis. Just not enough federal troops to cover all that territory.


Cities vs. Everyone Else

Posted by: grognard at April 16, 2014 09:19 AM (/29Nl)

191 No problem, but first we need you to fill out this short ideological questionnaire.

Posted by: The IRS at April 16, 2014 01:16 PM (HLprW)


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Sooooo... is this cafeteria style, or do we take a number to keep things orderly???

Posted by: OSHA, EPA, FCC, HHS, DOJ, FBI, CIA, BATFE, ICE, SSA, FBLM at April 16, 2014 09:19 AM (nELVU)

192 183 What is the Russian word for Lebensraum? Poland.

Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at April 16, 2014 09:20 AM (+RF8x)

193 Try not to think about Lerner pulling a government retirement right now.  It will boil your blood.  She's sitting at home, collecting American tax dollars via her government pension.

Posted by: MacGruber at April 16, 2014 09:20 AM (sWgE+)

194 Oklahoma, Texas, Louisiana and Mississippi. That's a good start of like minded people. Major urban centers in Texas and La. would howl for their free shit but most of the population is conservative.

Posted by: Joey Biden at April 16, 2014 09:20 AM (bX7ov)

195 What is the Russian word for Lebensraum?

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 16, 2014 01:16 PM (32Ze2)


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Eastern Europe???

Posted by: fixerupper at April 16, 2014 09:20 AM (nELVU)

196 183 What is the Russian word for Lebensraum? Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 16, 2014 01:16 PM (32Ze2) Ukraine.

Posted by: joncelli at April 16, 2014 09:21 AM (RD7QR)

197 **retard sock skinned off**

Posted by: Mr. Dave at April 16, 2014 09:21 AM (bX7ov)

198 If it is fought at all it will be along a east west and west east axis. Just not enough federal troops to cover all that territory. Cities vs. Everyone Else Not a fight. Surround them & starve them out.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 16, 2014 09:21 AM (xorT2)

199 ...we have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

Posted by: John Adams [/i] [/b] at April 16, 2014 09:21 AM (5ikDv)

200 We can only guess how OSHA also got involved. Pure coincidence I'm sure, because lightning regularly strikes the same spot thrice in one storm. Posted by: Hollowpoin *** Totally, there is coordination here that's criminal and impeachable. Then again, Obama did it through the fourth branch of government, the public sector union thugs union reps. Special prosecutors, man. How can we compete with PSU that operates based on personal contact between their bosses and DNC politicians off the record?

Posted by: joeindc44 at April 16, 2014 09:22 AM (DTVYh)

201 Amen John Adams.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at April 16, 2014 09:22 AM (bX7ov)

202 148 Issa's never laid a hand on this administration, and he won't as long as the MSM is nothing more than a Democrat propaganda device. Until the right finds some way to break through to the average LIV, we're boned. Fox News was a great start, but it's been effectively delegitimized. Posted by: Xander Crews at April 16, 2014 01:06 PM (zST0a) Another person who recognizes the lynchpin of their power. The People who produce content for Televisions across the nation are the propaganda corps for the Socialist onslaught. If we can't somehow cut their throats, we are done...At least till the collapse. After that, we will be hunting these bastards down and hanging them. Not that they don't deserve it, but i'd rather forgo that rather unpleasant business. Better that we can counteract their effectiveness if we can find a way.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 16, 2014 09:22 AM (bb5+k)

203 194 Oklahoma, Texas, Louisiana and Mississippi. That's a good start of like minded people. Major urban centers in Texas and La. would howl for their free shit but most of the population is conservative. --- Pretty much. Even then, the "major urban centers" in Louisiana have less sway now than they had 10 years ago thanks to Katrina spreading the New Orleans machine across the rest of the country. Sorry about that, Houston and San Antonio...

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at April 16, 2014 09:24 AM (APuJ7)

204  In spite of all it's ass kicking, FNC has been unable to make major scandals like Fast Furious, Benghazi, and the IRS water cooler topics. Fox News is great at what it does, but it can't do so alone.

Posted by: Xander Crews at April 16, 2014 01:17 PM (zST0a)

 

 

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We'll find out in November, won't we.  And I say that with the assumption  that we'll have  no major voter fraud.

Posted by: Soona at April 16, 2014 09:25 AM (rmw4m)

205 The REAL cover comes from the MFM. Look for any mention of this e-mail on ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, PBS or any of the papers. Get back with us how many stories were run..... My prediction????? Zero. Posted by: fixerupper at April 16, 2014 01:11 PM (nELVU) The people who work in and operate the national media services are indeed our real enemy. Holder and Obama are merely the sockpuppets for those who influence and steer public opinion. The Media people are the ones who steer the public to vote for these bastards, and they do it through careful control of what they don't allow to be reported.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 16, 2014 09:26 AM (bb5+k)

206 I understand that many on the Right feel that government is too big especially when it is perceived to be favoring one Party over the other. So I plan to create a new agency called the Balanced Service Agency to oversea all communications and activities to and between citizens and the government and make sure the federal government is truly bipartisan in action. They will have unprecedented power, their own budget and a new building in DC. A modest budget of 800 Billion per fiscal year can be funded simply by a small VAT.

Posted by: Jeb Bush at April 16, 2014 09:26 AM (aL1qE)

207 The People who produce content for Televisions across the nation are the propaganda corps for the Socialist onslaught. If we can't somehow cut their throats, we are done...At least till the collapse. After that, we will be hunting these bastards down and hanging them.

You're full of great ideas! When you make the list of undesirables that must be eliminated for the good of the New State, don't forget about those uppity bastards that wear glasses and try to look all smart. Good luck in your glorious quest for a new republic!

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at April 16, 2014 09:26 AM (+lsX1)

208 Are there any Dims in DC that weren't involved or had knowledge this was going on?

Posted by: Asked no reporter ever at April 16, 2014 09:27 AM (bUmSq)

209 Are there any Dims in DC that weren't involved or had knowledge this was going on? Are there any that care?

Posted by: rickb223 at April 16, 2014 09:30 AM (xorT2)

210 Any government official who pleads the 5th under oath is engaged in criminal activity.  Fcuk'em

Posted by: Fritz at April 16, 2014 09:30 AM (UzPAd)

211 OT: King Putt to drop $600 million in stimulus for "job training". http://tinyurl.com/kvjepwf But, this time, it'll work!! Swearsies!! Eleventy!!!

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at April 16, 2014 09:30 AM (ojnk6)

212 >>Sorry about that, Houston and San Antonio... Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at April 16, 2014 01:24 PM (APuJ7)>> Brandon, we locked a bunch of them up....

Posted by: Mr. Dave at April 16, 2014 09:30 AM (bX7ov)

213 You're full of great ideas! When you make the list of undesirables that must be eliminated for the good of the New State, don't forget about those uppity bastards that wear glasses and try to look all smart. Good luck in your glorious quest for a new republic!

 

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at April 16, 2014 01:26 PM (+lsX1)

 

You must be getting splinters in your dick, you're fucking that strawman so hard.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 16, 2014 09:31 AM (zF6Iw)

214 You're full of great ideas! When you make the list of undesirables that must be eliminated for the good of the New State, don't forget about those uppity bastards that wear glasses and try to look all smart. Good luck in your glorious quest for a new republic!

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at April 16, 2014 01:26 PM (+lsX1)


As you troll for negative responses, keep this in mind:


1) They will engineer a collapse, and then eliminate themselves because they simply cannot complete in a resource-limited environment.

2) Treating these people as equals gives them exactly what they want, which is acceptance by the in-group.  It enables them to retain power and continue manipulative, corrupt, and parasitic behavior.  And they will do, say, and construct anything they need in order to do this.

So stop letting them. They are traitors, and should be treated accordingly.

Posted by: grognard at April 16, 2014 09:31 AM (/29Nl)

215 TP1 and EST1 are where the rubber meets the campaign trail. I'll call TP1 "Disillusioned by GOP lack of fight, recent setbacks, hoping for a real reformer, but will vote for the GOP candidate regardless if it means upping our numbers in Congress and giving Cruz and Co. some weapons." EST1 will be "Frankly, I'm a little wary of the Angle-types, and don't want to lose red seats, but as long he's not a total nut job, I'll vote the Party line, Tea Partiers included".

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 16, 2014 09:32 AM (ZshNr)

216  Are there any Dims in DC that weren't involved or had knowledge this was going on?

Posted by: Asked no reporter ever at April 16, 2014 01:27 PM (bUmSq)

 

 

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Don't forget the GOPe.  They're in on this as much as the dems are.

Posted by: Soona at April 16, 2014 09:32 AM (rmw4m)

217 Yeah man, a big oppressive government that's on our side would be awesome! Your ideas are super good and firmly rooted in the lessons of history. Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at April 16, 2014 01:15 PM (+lsX1) Or you could just be not clear on my meaning. For centuries, this government did OPPRESS those bastards, but it was considered NORMAL. Governments are supposed to oppress criminal activities, and that's pretty much all socialism is. It is the overt theft of other people's money. Using all the legal means of attacking socialist institutions/people was pretty typical since socialism reared it's ugly head.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 16, 2014 09:33 AM (bb5+k)

218 Exactly where do you live? State identity is alive and well here in Oklahoma. You need to visit a few more states before you make a blanket statement like that.

Posted by: Soona at April 16, 2014 01:06 PM (rmw4m)

 

From Indiana. I love my home state but that's beside the point, with the point being that our differences with the Left are not bounded by state lines. Look at a political map instead: blue urban islands surrounded by a sea of rural red. Such a map doesn't lend itself to neat partitions.

 

Go Sooners? Yeah, right.

Posted by: troyriser at April 16, 2014 09:33 AM (2jF2B)

219

O/T:  On FNC -- LEGS!

Posted by: Soona at April 16, 2014 09:34 AM (rmw4m)

220 O/T: On FNC -- LEGS!

Posted by: Soona at April 16, 2014 01:34 PM (rmw4m)


Whose?

Posted by: grognard at April 16, 2014 09:34 AM (/29Nl)

221 161 We know that Lerner will walk away from this, just as Hairy Reid will die in his bed rich and happy. These people are not happy, they are lizards, devoid of emotion.

Posted by: Madamex at April 16, 2014 09:35 AM (vaWdD)

222 Don't forget the GOPe. They're in on this as much as the dems are. Posted by: Soona at April 16, 2014 01:32 PM (rmw4m) Mr Soona, please call the Speaker's Office! Rep Issa & I would like to have a word with you!

Posted by: John Orange Boner at April 16, 2014 09:35 AM (o3MSL)

223 David Fish to Lois Lerner 4/15/13: Tell Ruth she needs to get on the stick and that the next election cycle is around the corner. http://tinyurl.com/pk3265v What does it matter when the next election is, except to people operating based on politics rather than just concerning themselves with whether there is a violation?

Posted by: lawdvd at April 16, 2014 09:35 AM (d3clc)

224 207 Gristle Encased Head,

That's right GEH they are innocent waifs who will give up their power due to our joining hands and singing "we are the world" or "I'd like to buy the world a coke"....

I believe Trotsky allegedly said it best "young man you may not be interested in war but war is most assuredly interested in you"

Posted by: Sven 10077 at April 16, 2014 09:36 AM (TE35l)

225 Go Sooners? Yeah, right.

Posted by: troyriser at April 16, 2014 01:33 PM (2jF2B)

 

 

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Look at the Oklahoma electoral map.  That's one big fucking red map.

 

Not one county went blue in the last  election.

Posted by: Soona at April 16, 2014 09:36 AM (rmw4m)

226 Cities vs. Everyone Else Posted by: grognard at April 16, 2014 01:19 PM (/29Nl) This is what I see as well, and it has been pointed out by others in the past that the Cities don't have a prayer of surviving if surrounded by a hostile countryside.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 16, 2014 09:36 AM (bb5+k)

227 218 Troyriser,

and?

Last time I checked neat things happen to besieged cities.

Posted by: Sven 10077 at April 16, 2014 09:37 AM (TE35l)

228 "Such a map doesn't lend itself to neat partitions. "

Partitions need to be neat? 

Posted by: GMB (et al) at April 16, 2014 09:38 AM (nkPV9)

229

Any government official who pleads the 5th under oath is engaged in criminal activity. Fcuk'em

 

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Pretty much...

 

It's amazing to me that we have a government employee who, when asked about how she did her job, pleaded the 5th.  The 5th is a refusal to answer because an answer would be self-incriminating.


But moving from amazing to downright fucking tragic is that  the GOPe doesn't seem to give a shit about it. 

 

Hey, remember years ago when the Left had a simultaneous shit fit and orgasm when Oliver North took the 5th?  Now the Left is using that as justification for Lerner taking the 5th.

 

Pretty easy to shift outrage when there's no principle underlying it I guess.

Posted by: @JohnTant at April 16, 2014 09:38 AM (PFy0L)

230 This is what I see as well, and it has been pointed out by others in the past that the Cities don't have a prayer of surviving if surrounded by a hostile countryside. --- Hannibal also proved it possible to beat a superior enemy by living off the land. The Romans countered that by attacking his homeland, which made him leave Italy for North Africa.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at April 16, 2014 09:38 AM (APuJ7)

231 Posted by: D-Lamp at April 16, 2014 01:33 PM (bb5+k) When the "laws" that form the basis of the "rule of law" have no moral or ethical underpinnings, it is hard to see why an ordinary citizen should consider himself bound by them. I must be missing something because I know my betters would only want to do good things for me and mine!

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 16, 2014 09:39 AM (o3MSL)

232 199 ...we have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. Posted by: John Adams at April 16, 2014 01:21 PM (5ikDv) Pretty much the same point as my first message in this thread.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 16, 2014 09:39 AM (bb5+k)

233 Oklahoma, Texas, Louisiana and Mississippi. That's a good start of like minded people. Major urban centers in Texas and La. would howl for their free shit but most of the population is conservative.

Posted by: Joey Biden at April 16, 2014 01:20 PM (bX7ov)

 

We saw that movie before. Some people didn't like the ending. That doesn't mean it deserves a remake.

Posted by: troyriser at April 16, 2014 09:39 AM (2jF2B)

234 >>Not one county went blue in the last election. Or the one before that IIRC.

Posted by: Aviator at April 16, 2014 09:41 AM (RNijH)

235 My own take is that the GOPe is fine with Tea Party and True Con groups being suppressed and silenced. I would even go so far as to say those Vichy fucks encouraged it.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at April 16, 2014 09:41 AM (ojnk6)

236 This is what I see as well, and it has been pointed out by others in the past that the Cities don't have a prayer of surviving if surrounded by a hostile countryside.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 16, 2014 01:36 PM (bb5+k)



They will create the collapse that kills the least able to survive such a collapse.


They are hoping to establish conditions to maintain control after that collapse, by pitting some of the able (police, military) against others.  They are therefore isolated from the conflict, and cause the numbers of those with superior survivability characteristics to decline, while they maintain control.

Collapse will cull their numbers without any conservative needing to raise a hand. However, it must be accompanied by bringing the corrupt to justice, or they will find a way to manipulate the crisis to their advantage.

That manipulation almost always involves finding a way to pit the able against the able.

Posted by: grognard at April 16, 2014 09:42 AM (/29Nl)

237 "We saw that movie before. Some people didn't like the ending. That doesn't mean it deserves a remake."

Talking about the Revolutionary war?

Men, and women, who loved freedom more than comfort won that one too.

Posted by: GMB (et al) at April 16, 2014 09:42 AM (nkPV9)

238 Or you could just be not clear on my meaning. For centuries, this government did OPPRESS those bastards, but it was considered NORMAL.

Sure, we all remember those times in history when reasonable governments cut the throats of television producers, that's just plain old common sense.

That's right GEH they are innocent waifs who will give up their power due to our joining hands and singing "we are the world" or "I'd like to buy the world a coke"....

The only solution is to get power and then jail and/or cut the throats of those media types that don't fall in line. Only then will we fulfill the ideals laid out by the founding fathers. You guys are going to be way better at ruling people than those other guys!

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at April 16, 2014 09:42 AM (+lsX1)

239 195 What is the Russian word for Lebensraum? Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 16, 2014 01:16 PM (32Ze2) ---- Eastern Europe??? Posted by: fixerupper at April 16, 2014 01:20 PM (nELVU) In Soviet Russia, Eastern Europe is West of us!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 16, 2014 09:43 AM (CMkNk)

240 You're full of great ideas! When you make the list of undesirables that must be eliminated for the good of the New State, don't forget about those uppity bastards that wear glasses and try to look all smart. Good luck in your glorious quest for a new republic! Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at April 16, 2014 01:26 PM (+lsX1) Get a grip dude. Histrionics are unbecoming.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 16, 2014 09:43 AM (bb5+k)

241 Nood up.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at April 16, 2014 09:45 AM (ojnk6)

242 Posted by: @JohnTant at April 16, 2014 01:38 PM (PFy0L) How can a public employee take the Fifth Amendment when questioned about his/her official acts and not immediately lose their position, salary, perks, and retirement, for starters? I am afraid I know the answer, it is Obama, Holder, the Dem establishment (spawned bu the likes of Kennedy and Clinton) and last, but not least, our own GOPe.

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 16, 2014 09:45 AM (o3MSL)

243 This is what I see as well, and it has been pointed out by others in the past that the Cities don't have a prayer of surviving if surrounded by a hostile countryside.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 16, 2014 01:36 PM (bb5+k)

 

 

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Block the highways and railroad tracks  (let them have the airports).   Then let nature take it's course.

Posted by: Soona at April 16, 2014 09:46 AM (rmw4m)

244 Get a grip dude. Histrionics are unbecoming.

Sorry buddy. I'll try to calm down and just stick to discussions of secession and laying siege to big cities. Guess I got carried away in all the excitement.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at April 16, 2014 09:46 AM (+lsX1)

245 In Soviet Russia, Eastern Europe is West of us! Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 16, 2014 01:43 PM (CMkNk) Or as Vladimir likes to call it "Greater Western Russia"!

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 16, 2014 09:46 AM (o3MSL)

246 So cut it out, please. Secession as an idea or movement is a nonstarter.
Posted by: troyriser at April 16, 2014 01:00 PM (2jF2B)

Getting thrown out is much more doable.

Posted by: Lester at April 16, 2014 09:47 AM (2UPXV)

247 Posted by: Soona --------- You are wasting your time. troyriser is generally OK but Yankees just don't get it.

Posted by: Daybrother at April 16, 2014 09:48 AM (RpXV8)

248 Histrionics may be unbecoming, but really, how are we measuring histrionics? Half the people here might as well be wearing sandwich boards declaring that The End is Nigh, and that's just on the Gardening thread.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 16, 2014 09:48 AM (ZshNr)

249 We saw that movie before. Some people didn't like the ending. That doesn't mean it deserves a remake. Posted by: troyriser at April 16, 2014 01:39 PM (2jF2B) Yeah, but in that movie the odds were four to one in terms of population, and that doesn't even include all the Poor Irish that got tossed into a conflict not of their making. Nowadays the population balances are better, as are the resource balances. Besides, now nukes are in the equation.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 16, 2014 09:49 AM (bb5+k)

250 235 My own take is that the GOPe is fine with Tea Party and True Con groups being suppressed and silenced. I would even go so far as to say those Vichy fucks encouraged it. Posted by: ManWithNoParty at April 16, 2014 01:41 PM (ojnk6) This is what I see as well.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 16, 2014 09:49 AM (bb5+k)

251 Histrionics may be unbecoming, but really, how are we measuring histrionics? Half the people here might as well be wearing sandwich boards declaring that The End is Nigh, and that's just on the Gardening thread.

That's exactly what a collaborator would say. You're going on the list.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at April 16, 2014 09:50 AM (+lsX1)

252 This is what I see as well, and it has been pointed out by others in the past that the Cities don't have a prayer of surviving if surrounded by a hostile countryside. Posted by: D-Lamp ---------- Benefits.....benefits......

Posted by: EBT Zombies at April 16, 2014 09:51 AM (pzyOS)

253 Talking about the Revolutionary war?

Men, and women, who loved freedom more than comfort won that one too.

Posted by: GMB (et al) at April 16, 2014 01:42 PM (nkPV9)

 

Some of you sound as if you're itching for a fight and hoping violence breaks out.  Entertaining end-of-the-world, purely masturbatory fantasies is harmless insofar as it goes: you imagine yourself as an action movie hero wandering the wastelands, saving buxom broads and shooting hipsters off their rainbow-colored fixie bikes like ducks in a shooting gallery.  Someone would make a fortune off the video game.  But know this: Americans are never so adept at killing as when we're killing each other.  Careful what you wish for.

Posted by: troyriser at April 16, 2014 09:51 AM (2jF2B)

254 Collapse will cull their numbers without any conservative needing to raise a hand. Agree. They do represent the parasite class. They worked to expand their numbers, and now their numbers are barely sustainable with everything working as well as it does now. It will be impossible to sustain them if things go sideways. However, it must be accompanied by bringing the corrupt to justice, or they will find a way to manipulate the crisis to their advantage.That manipulation almost always involves finding a way to pit the able against the able. Posted by: grognard at April 16, 2014 01:42 PM (/29Nl) Agree.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 16, 2014 09:53 AM (bb5+k)

255 Talking about the Revolutionary war? Men, and women, who loved freedom more than comfort won that one too. Posted by: GMB (et al) at April 16, 2014 01:42 PM (nkPV9) Only because the British were not as fanatical about winning as were the Federals. Had the British moved with anything like their full force, we would still be bowing to the King.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 16, 2014 09:54 AM (bb5+k)

256 Half the people here might as well be wearing sandwich boards declaring that The End is Nigh, and that's just on the Gardening thread. Godamnit. Did you hack my webcam? That is totally uncool.

Posted by: Daybrother at April 16, 2014 09:55 AM (OpqT8)

257 Block the highways and railroad tracks (let them have the airports). Then let nature take it's course. Posted by: Soona at April 16, 2014 01:46 PM (rmw4m) Electric, Water, supplies, the whole shebang. They'd need an army just to guard all the stuff, and then it probably still couldn't do it. But let us hope things can be resolved peacefully before any such drastic ideas need to be contemplated.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 16, 2014 09:56 AM (bb5+k)

258 Sorry buddy. I'll try to calm down and just stick to discussions of secession and laying siege to big cities. Guess I got carried away in all the excitement. Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at April 16, 2014 01:46 PM (+lsX1) I didn't suggest such an idea. I actually don't think it is a reasonable thing to attempt. Now log-jamming supplies of water, food , electricity and other supplies? Probably very doable, and with very little in the way of resources and manpower. But again, i'd rather just take away the propaganda weapon of the left and use it against them. I still hold out hope that things can be repaired before the dam breaks.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 16, 2014 09:59 AM (bb5+k)

259 Getting thrown out is much more doable. Posted by: Lester at April 16, 2014 01:47 PM (2UPXV) As "Curmudgeonly and Skeptical" put it: "How about a reverse secession? All us sane states get together and toss the other ones out."

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 16, 2014 10:01 AM (bb5+k)

260 248 Histrionics may be unbecoming, but really, how are we measuring histrionics? Half the people here might as well be wearing sandwich boards declaring that The End is Nigh, and that's just on the Gardening thread. Posted by: Lincolntf at April 16, 2014 01:48 PM (ZshNr) This must be the half that does math, or so I presume.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 16, 2014 10:01 AM (bb5+k)

261 Electric, Water, supplies, the whole shebang. They'd need an army just to guard all the stuff, and then it probably still couldn't do it.

But let us hope things can be resolved peacefully before any such drastic ideas need to be contemplated. .

Yeah, you wouldn't want to find yourself contemplating drastic ideas of how you would lay siege to the cities and eliminate the journalists. You might come off as some kind of Sgt. Sugarcookie loser. Ha, that would be crazy!

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at April 16, 2014 10:03 AM (+lsX1)

262 Americans are never so adept at killing as when we're killing each other. Careful what you wish for. Posted by: troyriser at April 16, 2014 01:51 PM (2jF2B) The way I see this thing going is that the socialist are going to end up killing us anyway. With that in mind, I consider an outcome in which we are returning the favor to be a better result. What would be best is if we can change this ships direction before it runs into this rock, but we keep getting an Idiot at the wheel.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 16, 2014 10:04 AM (bb5+k)

263 Yeah, you wouldn't want to find yourself contemplating drastic ideas of how you would lay siege to the cities and eliminate the journalists. You might come off as some kind of Sgt. Sugarcookie loser. Ha, that would be crazy! Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at April 16, 2014 02:03 PM (+lsX1) Again, I never suggested laying siege to any cities. I actually don't see the point. Our national finances are already so dire I see it as a pretty considerable accomplishment just to keep the cities fed under normal circumstances. If we get anything disruptive, the cities will collapse of their own weight, at least that's how I run the numbers. YMMV.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 16, 2014 10:07 AM (bb5+k)

264 Classic TP3 vs. TP1 argument. I think, I haven't figured out my own scale yet.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 16, 2014 10:07 AM (ZshNr)

265 Again, I never suggested laying siege to any cities.

Oh yeah, my bad. I was confusing your desire for "log-jamming supplies of water, food , electricity and other supplies" with something nefarious like a siege. Totally my fault. Please, continue with your perfectly reasonable plans for improving the country by way of non-sieges of cities and rational methods of purging journalists and other traitors.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at April 16, 2014 10:13 AM (+lsX1)

266 Some of you sound as if you're itching for a fight and hoping violence breaks out. Entertaining end-of-the-world, purelymasturbatory fantasies is harmless insofar as it goes: you imagine yourself as an action movie hero wandering the wastelands, saving buxom broads and shooting hipsters off their rainbow-colored fixie bikes like ducks in a shooting gallery. Someone would make a fortune off the video game. But know this: Americans are never so adept at killing as when we're killing each other. Careful what you wish for. Posted by: troyriser ------ I take it back. You are a complete asshole. You don't know a fucking thing about American History, or for that matter, anybody here. Shut the fuck up, you are stinking up the whole thread.

Posted by: Daybrother at April 16, 2014 10:16 AM (xERlB)

267 No, don't bother. I'm leaving. I need a break from idiots.

Posted by: Daybrother at April 16, 2014 10:18 AM (gvKwE)

268 How would one effect a stoppage of power/shipping to any region of the country without sparking an armed response from Government? You couldn't, so if you intend to maintain that embargo, you will need to defeat that force. Are we to think that sit-ins are the master plan?

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 16, 2014 10:19 AM (ZshNr)

269 Oh yeah, my bad. I was confusing your desire for "log-jamming supplies of water, food , electricity and other supplies" with something nefarious like a siege. Totally my fault. Please, continue with your perfectly reasonable plans for improving the country by way of non-sieges of cities and rational methods of purging journalists and other traitors. Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at April 16, 2014 02:13 PM (+lsX1) Well, you know you've lost the argument when the best you've got is mockery and false equivalency. The levels of difficulty between the one thing and the other are orders of magnitude, but one would actually have to be contemplative to realize that. knee jerk reactions do not provide much in the way of cognitive analysis. It's easier to use monkey logic and screech, than it is to just refute the point. I think you and I see our opposition very differently. You see this as a political fight, and I see it as an existential one with politics merely being the initial skirmishes. I would actually prefer your assessment to be the more correct one. As for history, I'd advise you to look at both Nazi and Soviet histories.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 16, 2014 10:22 AM (bb5+k)

270 268 How would one effect a stoppage of power/shipping to any region of the country without sparking an armed response from Government? You couldn't, so if you intend to maintain that embargo, you will need to defeat that force. Are we to think that sit-ins are the master plan? Posted by: Lincolntf at April 16, 2014 02:19 PM (ZshNr) The grid barely works without any attempts to sabotage. Currently we cannot protect the entire rail system either. (Asshole Bryan Ross did an entire 1 hour story on this topic.) I suppose the whole point revolves around how many people are where and doing what. If entire states leave, that's one thing. If on the other hand, one presumes the most minimal level of "Wolverine" style response, and assuming the most minimal participation by the most hard core components of the population, that is still a pretty damn effective disruption and would likely have highly asymmetrical consequences. The likely response would be Marshall law and further abuses to the populace, which like the exploits of the "Swamp Fox" would likely only stir more opposition.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 16, 2014 10:29 AM (bb5+k)

271 Well, you know you've lost the argument when the best you've got is mockery and false equivalency.

The levels of difficulty between the one thing and the other are orders of magnitude, but one would actually have to be contemplative to realize that.

knee jerk reactions do not provide much in the way of cognitive analysis. It's easier to use monkey logic and screech, than it is to just refute the point.

Well stated! Instead of spending all my time mocking you for your plans to blockade (not lay siege to) the cities of America and mock you for your plans to purge the country of television producers, I should have been more contemplative of your cognitive analysis of the point. For that I apologize. I sincerely believe that we will all be better off under your benevolent rule.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at April 16, 2014 10:30 AM (+lsX1)

272 Martial Law would be even worse.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 16, 2014 10:30 AM (ZshNr)

273 I went to school with a guy name Ross Marshall and he was a real asshole. So I'm definitely on board with the opposition to Marshall law if that's the guy he's talking about.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at April 16, 2014 10:33 AM (+lsX1)

274 Well stated! Instead of spending all my time mocking you for your plans to blockade (not lay siege to) the cities of America and mock you for your plans to purge the country of television producers, I should have been more contemplative of your cognitive analysis of the point. For that I apologize. I sincerely believe that we will all be better off under your benevolent rule. Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at April 16, 2014 02:30 PM (+lsX1) You still aren't listening. Log-Jamming supplies is not "blockading." That group who shot the Power transformers in San Fransisco... were they "Blockading"? If you can't grasp the point you are criticizing, I don't see the point in arguing with you further. You aren't arguing, you're just emoting shrilly.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 16, 2014 10:36 AM (bb5+k)

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 16, 2014 10:36 AM (bb5+k)

276 272 Martial Law would be even worse. Posted by: Lincolntf at April 16, 2014 02:30 PM (ZshNr) Homonyms, how do they work?

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 16, 2014 10:38 AM (bb5+k)

277 How did the SF power plant shooters help your cause?

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 16, 2014 10:38 AM (ZshNr)

278 WOW am I ever thirsty!!

Somebody water me!!! feed me!!!

Posted by: TREE OF LIBERTY at April 16, 2014 10:40 AM (TcDKW)

279 277 How did the SF power plant shooters help your cause? Posted by: Lincolntf at April 16, 2014 02:38 PM (ZshNr) My cause? You mean my speculation? My cause would be to avoid such a thing if at all possible. As for how it aids my speculation, it demonstrates the obvious fact that utilities are highly vulnerable. Just the other day I (once again) watched the very first episode of "Connections" by James Burke. It is about how modern life ceases as soon as electrical power disappears. Highly informative.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 16, 2014 10:43 AM (bb5+k)

280 You still aren't listening. Log-Jamming supplies is not "blockading." That group who shot the Power transformers in San Fransisco... were they "Blockading"?

Oh man do I feel like an idiot for emoting shrilly! Sorry, I know that you only want to prevent food, water, medical supplies, power, etc. from reaching people that live in large cities. Shooting power transformers and sabotaging roads, rail lines and airports is totally different from blockading and, let's be honest about it, in the long run you're really doing them a favor.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at April 16, 2014 10:44 AM (+lsX1)

281 How would ten such attacks aid your cause in case of the scenario you outlined? Unless the specific goal is to spark armed conflict I fail to see it, even hypothetically.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 16, 2014 10:45 AM (ZshNr)

282 How would ten such attacks aid your cause in case of the scenario you outlined? Unless the specific goal is to spark armed conflict I fail to see it, even hypothetically.

Let's knock it off with the questions. I'm sure he and his cabinet are pretty busy working out the details without having to tend with your hand-wringing.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at April 16, 2014 10:50 AM (+lsX1)

283 281 How would ten such attacks aid your cause in case of the scenario you outlined? Unless the specific goal is to spark armed conflict I fail to see it, even hypothetically. Posted by: Lincolntf at April 16, 2014 02:45 PM (ZshNr) I'm having difficulty understanding how you aren't grasping the concept. Where is our dominant opposition? In the cities. What happens if you cut supplies to the cities? Riots, fire, death destruction. Who's getting killed? Our opposition, their supporters. Who's having to tie up manpower addressing the situation? Our opposition. More of a French Underground than an armed conflict. An armed conflict would be a very foolish idea unless you had the manpower and resources for it, which *IS* a possibility, though one I wouldn't count on. When we fought the Brits, we didn't fight them mano a mano. We hid behind rocks and trees and shot at them from cover.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 16, 2014 10:57 AM (bb5+k)

284 Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at April 16, 2014 02:50 PM (+lsX1) Assholes got to act like assholes.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 16, 2014 10:59 AM (bb5+k)

285 So you are outlining a war plan, not advocating a political position. That clears some things up.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 16, 2014 10:59 AM (ZshNr)

286 More of a French Underground than an armed conflict. An armed conflict would be a very foolish idea unless you had the manpower and resources for it, which *IS* a possibility, though one I wouldn't count on.

Pretty good plan! Then after the cities have been destroyed by internal strife caused by non-blockade, non-siege, log-jamming techniques you round up the survivors, especially television producers, and take care of the problem. We could call it the "final solution" because after you've eliminated the problem, what do you have? A solution!


Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at April 16, 2014 11:02 AM (+lsX1)

287 Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at April 16, 2014 03:02 PM (+lsX1) So now you've gotten round to calling me a Nazi. So what should be a response of about your level of intellect? I know you are but what am I? Yeah, that's about right. Hey, Fuck you asshole.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 16, 2014 11:06 AM (bb5+k)

288 285 So you are outlining a war plan, not advocating a political position. That clears some things up. Posted by: Lincolntf at April 16, 2014 02:59 PM (ZshNr) Not so much a plan, but more of a prediction. Do you see it working out differently? (Given the starting premise of societal breakdown.)

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 16, 2014 11:08 AM (bb5+k)

289 Societal breakdown is my ending premise. There won't be any power to shut off, no trucks to stop. Bang not a whimper, sour Cormac MacCarthy stuff, then nothing.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 16, 2014 11:10 AM (ZshNr)

290 So now you've gotten round to calling me a Nazi. So what should be a response of about your level of intellect?

Whoa, whoa, nobody called you a Nazi! Your plan to conquer the cities of America and eliminate journalists has nothing to do with Nazis! Totally the opposite. You will definitely be one of the good kind of rulers that just looks out for the people by protecting them from people with bad ideas and traitorous thoughts. I'm on your side bro!

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at April 16, 2014 11:13 AM (+lsX1)

291 289 Societal breakdown is my ending premise. There won't be any power to shut off, no trucks to stop. Bang not a whimper, sour Cormac MacCarthy stuff, then nothing. Posted by: Lincolntf at April 16, 2014 03:10 PM (ZshNr) Now i'm the one who's not seeing it. As Adam Smith said: "There is a great deal of ruin in a nation" I can't see people who are accustomed to showing up at the trough simply being content to lay down and die. If or when our finances crap out, riots will come with it as sure as the day follows the night. I think this new order will go through it's death throes, and then hopefully we will be able to restore (what is to us) the Old order; Representative Republic and the rule of law. The Liberals are actually trying to restore an even older order; Monarchy/Aristocracy, with them being the Aristocrats and us being the peasants.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 16, 2014 11:18 AM (bb5+k)

292 Yeah, well, I think differently. Let me count the ways. But really, don't wait, it would take forever. I'm sure you'll be sporting the sandwich board on some other thread and we can pick this right up. I literally have to go push some wet hose.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 16, 2014 11:21 AM (ZshNr)

293 Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at April 16, 2014 03:13 PM (+lsX1) ....................../´¯/) ....................,/¯../ .................../..../ ............./´¯/'...'/´¯¯`·¸ ........../'/.../..../......./¨¯\ ........('(...´...´.... ¯~/'...') .........\.................'...../ ..........''...\.......... _.·´ ............\..............( ..............\.............\...

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 16, 2014 11:22 AM (bb5+k)

294 292 Yeah, well, I think differently. Let me count the ways. But really, don't wait, it would take forever. I'm sure you'll be sporting the sandwich board on some other thread and we can pick this right up. I literally have to go push some wet hose. Posted by: Lincolntf at April 16, 2014 03:21 PM (ZshNr) Always interested in hearing a different perspective. As i've mentioned before, I'd rather be wrong then right. My world is gloomy. Roses and Sunshine is much more to my liking.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 16, 2014 11:24 AM (bb5+k)

295 I don't care what anyone says, I think Log-Jammers is a cool name for your militia!

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at April 16, 2014 11:26 AM (+lsX1)

296 295 I don't care what anyone says, I think Log-Jammers is a cool name for your militia! Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at April 16, 2014 03:26 PM (+lsX1) No doubt you've had plenty of wonderful experiences involving logs being jammed into you. On the other hand, perhaps not nearly enough.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 16, 2014 11:31 AM (bb5+k)

297 On the other hand, perhaps not nearly enough.

Appreciate it bro, but I'm married. Good luck with your revolution! Go Log-Jammers!

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at April 16, 2014 11:36 AM (+lsX1)

298 I can't imagine no one has been barrelled yet.

As I've stated before, I think things go on auto-correct a long, long time before we ever get to secession or guerrilla warfare. The pont will come, and maybe even before JEF is out of office, that the bond market and the Fed can't keep the massive deficits going. It may be triggered by an international crisis or natural disaster, but the writing is already on the wall. Washington can't give everything to everybody any more, and the cities are the most vulnerable.

I predict that the red states, in general, will do just fine relative to the blue states. There will be civil unrest in the big Eastern cities and California, as prices for the basic stuff (food, energy) go through the roof. We need to be prepared to accept refugees who have the gumption to get up and move to somewhere where there is work.

In the end, we will revise the compact, perhaps through a Convention of the States and perhaps through other processes, but the balance will tilt more toward the states and away from Washington. The next 20 years will be interesting.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at April 16, 2014 11:58 AM (QVC7W)

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