April 18, 2021

ELECTRIC CAR DRIVES ACROSS UNITED STATES…IN ONLY 18 DAYS
[Buck Throckmorton]
— Ace Open Blog

Volkswagen takes its new ID.4 electric car on a cross-country trip.

It only took 18 days to drive from New York to Sacramento. Phileas Fogg of "Around The World In 80 Days” might be impressed. I’m not. This isn’t 1872. 

Heck, the Pony Express was able to get mail from Missouri to Sacramento in only 10 days. In 1860.  On horseback.

But Volkswagen is very excited about their electric cars. With 21st Century technology they are able to make what was once a 4-day drive with quick and easily-available refueling, into a multi-week ordeal where you must obsess about fuel availability.

"We proved exactly what we set out to do with this drive, which was to show that with a little planning, covering long distances in an EV can be easy," said Dustin Krause, Director of e-Mobility at Volkswagen of America."

So I can drive an electric vehicle to my next ski trip in Wyoming or Montana? Uh…no.

 "Of course, the 18-day trip largely stayed clear of some notable dead spots in charging station availability, notably in the upper midwest and the western plains, highlighting instead the ease of finding chargers along the southern route."

Well, assuming I stay in the southern US, and follow a route where there are plenty of charging station, and that I am in no rush to get where I’m going, there is nothing to stop an EV owner from enjoying the open road, right?

Wait – what about those California electricity blackouts?  That sounds problematic. Didn’t Texas also have a massive electricity blackout this past winter?  And rolling blackouts last summer?  And oh look – Texas may have more blackouts next summer.

It’s almost as if the greens and government planners are successful in getting us out of gas-powered cars and into electric cars, we might find our freedom of movement greatly constrained by an inability to power our cars. Go figure.

Gasoline-powered vehicles probably did more to advance liberty and standards of living in the 20thcentury than anything else. They’ll be missed if the corporate / Marxist alliance is successful in stamping out the internal combustion engine.  Of course, freedom will also be missed.

(buck.throckmorton at protonmail dot com)

 

Posted by: Ace Open Blog at 02:00 PM | Comments (284)
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1 I'll get em 

Posted by: Skip at April 18, 2021 02:00 PM (Cxk7w)

2 Did they pull a generator?

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 18, 2021 02:00 PM (gtatv)

3 Ah. Thank you!

Posted by: Jakee308 at April 18, 2021 02:02 PM (LS3oW)

4 So back to the old day, where people could die of dysentery while trying to cross the country?
Oregon Trails reboot in real life does not sound like a winner.

Posted by: Bete at April 18, 2021 02:03 PM (Ojki1)

5 GM is going the 'no more ICE vehicles" route too... I don't know if that is only for consumer vehicles or includes long haul though.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 18, 2021 02:03 PM (gtatv)

6 How long does the average recharge take?

Posted by: BignJames at April 18, 2021 02:04 PM (AwYPR)

7 But I could do in maybe 6 In a gasoline vehicle 

Posted by: Skip at April 18, 2021 02:05 PM (Cxk7w)

8
So back to the old day, where people could die ofdysentery while trying to cross the country?
Oregon Trails reboot in real life does not sound like a winner.

Posted by:Bete 

I hadn't thought of that: don't drink the water! 18 days of hotels/motels and lousy food.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 18, 2021 02:05 PM (gtatv)

9 Stop Making Sense

Posted by: David Byrne at April 18, 2021 02:05 PM (okV1R)

10 I love it when a plan comes together.
It is even better when the theoretically citizen oriented party completely abdicates its responsibilities, buries its head In the sand, and allows total bulls!it to influence our lives and freedoms in a potentially non-recoverable manner!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at April 18, 2021 02:05 PM (hOUT3)

11 I grew up in Texas. The possibility of a heat wave in summer is approximately 100%.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 18, 2021 02:05 PM (kTF2Z)

12 g'early afternoon, 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at April 18, 2021 02:06 PM (DUIap)

13 Screw those assholes. I have the last V-8.

Posted by: Mad Max at April 18, 2021 02:06 PM (jvt6t)

14 Two ways to prepare.

Setup your own supply of electricity. Doable but the fuel storage and cost is exorbitant.

Or learn how to operate in a 17th, 18th, 19th, early 29th century civilization.

It will not be pleasant. Friends and family and living in a rural area will help to ease your way into making do without too much trauma.

Health care will take a big hit.

Posted by: Jakee308 at April 18, 2021 02:06 PM (LS3oW)

15 Powered by coal

Posted by: Jean at April 18, 2021 02:06 PM (qYXpy)

16

Ignore the energy density of power sources at your peril, leftist dimwits. 

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at April 18, 2021 02:06 PM (pKKMW)

17
Electric cars are not intended to be a substitute for ICE cars. They're the bludgeon to make us proles immobile. Get a horse!

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 18, 2021 02:06 PM (mht8P)

18
But I could do in maybe 6 In a gasoline vehicle

Posted by:Skip

Tempe AZ to Lebanon CT only took me 4 by motorcycle. 

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 18, 2021 02:07 PM (gtatv)

19 7
But I could do in maybe 6 In a gasoline vehicle

that because gasoline vehicles are pushed by the screams of a tortured gaia, hater.

Posted by: Comrade Anachronda, behind the Newsom curtain at April 18, 2021 02:07 PM (5br8a)

20 When I got out of college, I bought this Honda CB250 and thought about doing an extended road trip.  When I realized the 1 1/2 gallon tank not went about 80 miles, I opted out.

Posted by: Neo at April 18, 2021 02:07 PM (X5CsJ)

21 Has a population ever cried to go back to medieval so much as the greenies? They are all gonna lose their minds though when they discover that they can't power their cell phones, let alone won't have a new model a year. 

Posted by: Bete at April 18, 2021 02:07 PM (Ojki1)

22
Health care will take a big hit.
Refrigeration and centralized sanitation too 

Posted by: Jean at April 18, 2021 02:08 PM (qYXpy)

23 At present you can drive half way across the country in 24 hrs. In the future, w/my mandated EV, it's gonna take 9 days? Progress!

Posted by: BignJames at April 18, 2021 02:08 PM (AwYPR)

24 Six days?? Pfffftttttt.......

Posted by: Gumball Rally at April 18, 2021 02:08 PM (jvt6t)

25
Powered by coal
Posted by: Jean at April 18, 2021 02:06 PM (qYXpy)

Her Majesty indeed calls them "coal-powered cars".

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 18, 2021 02:08 PM (mht8P)

26 14
Or learn how to operate in a 17th, 18th, 19th, early 29th century civilization.

i, for one, look forward to operating in the manner of an early 29th century civilization.

Posted by: Comrade Anachronda, behind the Newsom curtain at April 18, 2021 02:08 PM (5br8a)

27
Powered by coal

Oh - so in other words - plant based energy. :0 

The looks on the faces of my friends when I remind them of this is priceless.

Posted by: Tonypete at April 18, 2021 02:09 PM (Rvt88)

28 But I could do in maybe 6 In a gasoline vehicle  Posted by: Skip at April 18, 2021 02:05 PM (Cxk7w)
A tad over 3 days to cross the country. California to Connecticut on the freeway system of the 70s.
I did it once. Drove straight thru. Only breaks were physical relief, fuel and to eat. No other driver.

That was when I could stay up for 3 days straight without drugs.

And driving always keyed me up so I could stay awake better.

Posted by: Jakee308 at April 18, 2021 02:09 PM (LS3oW)

29 21 Has a population ever cried to go back to medieval so much as the greenies?
Yeah, but they have no intention of being a "serf”

Posted by: Neo at April 18, 2021 02:10 PM (X5CsJ)

30 I've done CA/D.C. 5x.  Saddest sign i ever saw was heading west on I-40 (?) just inside NM from TX:  "Los Angeles 1007 miles".  That was in the '78 Ford Granada my grandfather gave during college.  I have no sympathy  for the American auto industry.

Posted by: SFGoth at April 18, 2021 02:10 PM (jNZYC)

31 Car and Driver did a hilarious race between a Tesla model S and a Ford Model T A few years ago...
https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a15112705/2013-tesla-model-s-vs-1915-ford-model-t-race-of-the-centuries-feature/

Posted by: scottst at April 18, 2021 02:10 PM (SJOqk)

32 I smell a CannonBall Run remake being cooked up right now. Except it's a TV show with 23 episodes per season brought to you by your trusty GloboHomoPedo.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at April 18, 2021 02:10 PM (Oog2f)

33 Posted by: Comrade Anachronda, behind the Newsom curtain at April 18, 2021 02:08 PM (5br8a)
Oops.

Posted by: Jakee308 at April 18, 2021 02:11 PM (LS3oW)

34 This thread goes well with the secret woid.

It’s almost as if the greens and government planners are successful in getting us out of gas-powered cars and into electric cars, we might find our freedom of movement greatly constrained by an inability to power our cars.
Throw away the gasoline and take a loooong trip. Throw away the coal fired energy plants; freeze in the winter and melt in the summer.

Texas, iirrc, has revised its hard freeze death tally two times. Death by hypothermia is in the hundreds.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 18, 2021 02:11 PM (nwT4M)

35 I keep older cars except for the Mrs. and my motorcycle. I'm also looking to buy a pre electronic ignition auto (65 or 66) to avoid the ChiCom EMP which will be coming eventually.

Posted by: Jak Sucio at April 18, 2021 02:11 PM (jvt6t)

36
I eager await The Squad's high dudgeon as they thunder on about repealing the cis het white oppressive Laws of Thermodynamics. 

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at April 18, 2021 02:11 PM (pKKMW)

37 Given the scarcity of materials for batteries these days, and for the foreseeable future, EV's are an expensive and asinine idea. 

Posted by: Martini Farmer at April 18, 2021 02:11 PM (3H9h1)

38 Has anybody seen the ad for "ebussy”, another EV out of Germany ?

Posted by: Neo at April 18, 2021 02:12 PM (X5CsJ)

39 And they all ignore the question of infrastructure support for an all EV future. In CA, they already tell us not to run appliances at peak hours, but they want all EV by 2035?

Posted by: Eisenhorn at April 18, 2021 02:12 PM (vaVoJ)

40 Jake - exact same thing, though not quiiiite as far (DC) and my drives were mid-80's/90's.  It was kind of exciting being young and seeing so much variety.  

Posted by: SFGoth at April 18, 2021 02:13 PM (jNZYC)

41 GM to introduce their latest model called the Prairie Schooner.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 18, 2021 02:13 PM (kTF2Z)

42 Thermodynamics is infrastructure 

Posted by: Neo at April 18, 2021 02:13 PM (X5CsJ)

43 You won’t need to drive across the country. Less freedom not more freedom.

Posted by: 4thewin at April 18, 2021 02:13 PM (OQfQX)

44 Get a horse! Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 18, 2021 02:06 PM (mht8P)
Mr Jefferson, I need to see your rider's license and insurance papers before I can allow you to travel to Philadelphia for that convention!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at April 18, 2021 02:13 PM (hOUT3)

45 Frozen North States will have to start icing all the roads so people can get to work by ice skates.
That might be by design... no reliable transportation will cause a shift back into the city center's currently blighted areas. You can read that as all Dem/Lib major cities in addition to those in frozen country.
Of course this will put all the relocated into the fascist's arms of liberal governors, Burn/Loot/Murder, and Antifa morons. Yup: by design.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 18, 2021 02:14 PM (gtatv)

46 Relax. Once we have Berilyum spheres, it'll all be good.

Posted by: Jak Sucio at April 18, 2021 02:15 PM (jvt6t)

47
I'd love to take a cross-country drive. I've taken trips adding up to one, but never done one in one journey.

Despite everything going on, this remains a magnificent country full of the nicest people you'd want to meet. But all you ever hear from are the tiny number of wokesters and twitterati.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 18, 2021 02:15 PM (mht8P)

48 I am 60 and not In a big hurry

Posted by: Skip at April 18, 2021 02:15 PM (Cxk7w)

49 In Soviet Russia the country drives across you!! 

Posted by: Tonypete at April 18, 2021 02:15 PM (Rvt88)

50 In this case look to Cuba for the answer. They are still driving 1950s Chevies.

Posted by: 4thewin at April 18, 2021 02:15 PM (OQfQX)

51 Geez.. where does that electricity come from in the southern states?
According to this site, most southern states have 0%-5% (some a few points higher) electricity from "renewables".
https://www.nei.org/resources/statistics/state-electricity-generation-fuel-shares

Electricity comes from coal or natural gas in most states..
The hypocrisy just kinda slaps you in the face..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 18, 2021 02:16 PM (CjFDo)

52
Wakanda will pull the irons out of the fires. 

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at April 18, 2021 02:16 PM (pKKMW)

53 30 I've done CA/D.C. 5x. Saddest sign i ever saw was heading west on I-40 (?) just inside NM from TX: "Los Angeles 1007 miles". That was in the '78 Ford Granada my grandfather gave during college. I have no sympathy for the American auto industry.------------------------------------------ Posted by: SFGoth at April 18, 2021 02:10 PM (jNZYC)_ _

FORD ran a Pinto advertisement touting its good gas mileage and gave stats on a run from Phoenix? to L.A.. - - It's a downhill run.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 18, 2021 02:16 PM (nwT4M)

54 It’s almost as if the greens and government planners are successful in getting us out of gas-powered cars and into electric cars, we might find our freedom of movement greatly constrained by an inability to power our cars. Go figure.
One other thing the gubburnmint might want to get you into - more than EVs: failed public transportation.

Posted by: Biden's Dog at April 18, 2021 02:16 PM (VB5UE)

55 The "environmental" movement was always a "cripple America" movement.  The biggest polluter on the planet, China, gets not a peep of criticism from them.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at April 18, 2021 02:17 PM (OU+8W)

56 The loss of mobility inherent to a shift to EVs isn't a bug, it's a feature.  At least to the people who idolize China.

Posted by: Cortillaen at April 18, 2021 02:17 PM (4Acrv)

57 Ahhh...the joy of driving a 1978 Granada.......
*retches*

Posted by: Jak Sucio at April 18, 2021 02:17 PM (jvt6t)

58 And they're eliminating natural gas and heating oil in some locales. At some point, even LIVs are gonna realize that these people are trying to kill them.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 18, 2021 02:18 PM (kTF2Z)

59 Tonypete (27):  I saw a bumper sticker once in Louisiana that said: "Louisiana Petroleum - It's Organic!"  That must've left green lefties who claim to f---ing love science scratching their heads.

Posted by: Buck Thriockmorton at April 18, 2021 02:19 PM (d9Cw3)

60 Had to drive with friends straight from San Diego to Austin nonstop once (a gig in Tuscon fell through). Grueling, about a 30-hour drive.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at April 18, 2021 02:19 PM (vuisn)

61
Thermodynamics are a construct of white supremacists. Womyn, BIPOC and LGBTQ+ have the solution to limitless energy but their voices are suppressed by the male cisnormative power structure.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 18, 2021 02:19 PM (mht8P)

62 Welcome to Ben Had's Horse Emporiun.  Horses for rent by the day or week. Wagons available for that  bi-monthly trip to town.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 18, 2021 02:19 PM (dEDFg)

63 Energy density is where it's at. Where it's ALL at.

Find me an clean energy source that is denser than gasoline and I am all in.
So...I will patiently wait for a nuclear powered automobile.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 18, 2021 02:19 PM (Q9lwr)

64 One other thing the gubburnmint might want to get you into - more than EVs: failed public transportation.

Posted by:Biden's Dogat April 18, 2021 02:16 PM (VB5UE)

HIGH. SPEED. RAIL. station in 2030: "Papers, please, comrade. Has this trip been authorized by the Party?"

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 18, 2021 02:19 PM (YqDXo)

65
That might be by design... no reliable transportation will cause a shift back into the city center's currently blighted areas. You can read that as all Dem/Lib major cities in addition to those in frozen country. Of course this will put all the relocated into the fascist's arms of liberal governors, Burn/Loot/Murder, and Antifa morons. Yup: by design.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 18, 2021 02:14 PM


totes by design


if you have a car what can only go 100 miles a day; where are you going to live?

Posted by: AltonJackson at April 18, 2021 02:20 PM (DUIap)

66 39And they all ignore the question of infrastructure support for an all EV future. In CA, they already tell us not to run appliances at peak hours, but they want all EV by 2035?

Posted by:Eisenhornat April 18, 2021 02:12 PM (vaVoJ)

Won't need to drive much when we are all living in megacorp company housing on site. Good thing the megacorps aren't acting right now like ever dystopian evil megacorp though, so it'll be fine I am sure.

Posted by: Bete at April 18, 2021 02:21 PM (Ojki1)

67 Update (1:00 p.m.):  The CT Scan just came back, and Paul has developed an Ileus (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ileus).  Thankfully, this can be treated with medicine, bowel rest, and movement.  As long as he doesn't throw up, they won't have to put a tube down his nose!
We will be here in the hospital for a few more days until this resolves itself - the staff here is pretty sure that things are going to start getting better, now that we know what we are dealing with.
Again, thank you so much for all of your kind words and prayers - they have really bolstered our spirits!

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas at April 18, 2021 02:22 PM (e6bHS)

68 Cue the apologists who insist that the concern over charging EVs and distance is not a concern anymore.  Never mind I live many miles from civilization.  

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at April 18, 2021 02:22 PM (49Dnm)

69 Blistering speed, unattainable since... well before the Pony Express.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 18, 2021 02:22 PM (KZzsI)

70 35 I keep older cars except for the Mrs. and my motorcycle. I'm also looking to buy a pre electronic ignition auto (65 or 66) to avoid the ChiCom EMP which will be coming eventually.
Posted by: Jak Sucio at April 18, 2021 02:11 PM (jvt6t) ------

There are some (ask AOP) early eighty's that didn't have electronics. Also, those 60's will need to have hardened valves and seats because ...white gas.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 18, 2021 02:23 PM (nwT4M)

71 Patriots!! We don't know how this happened, but the liberals are trying to take your cars! Cars=FREEDOM!! Donate now with a 1,000% match to stop this theft of Liberty!!!

Posted by: GOPe at April 18, 2021 02:23 PM (jvt6t)

72 These days, I pretty much assume any government/big corporation policies and goals are designed to restrict our basic liberties.

Posted by: Emmie at April 18, 2021 02:23 PM (ofYez)

73 Since it is well known that oil is derived not from dinosaurs, but from algae, we can refer to petroleum as plant based fuel. Problem solved!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 18, 2021 02:23 PM (kTF2Z)

74 Let's see: Electric vehicles to limit mobility.

So, traveling cross country will then require use of either a train or a plane, either of which make great choke points, because, hey, these all operate on government land, and, therefore, even if a state says, "nah, no vaccine passport," the Feds will say, "FedGov property, show your papers and wear a mask."

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at April 18, 2021 02:24 PM (2SdPm)

75 58And they're eliminating natural gas and heating oil in some locales. At some point, even LIVs are gonna realize that these people are trying to kill them.

Posted by uke Lowellat April 18, 2021 02:18 PM (kTF2Z)

*Thinks of LIVs I know*

I might take that bet. What odds are you offering?

Posted by: Bete at April 18, 2021 02:24 PM (Ojki1)

76 There is a theory the planet still makes oil deposits every day.

Posted by: Skip at April 18, 2021 02:24 PM (Cxk7w)

77 Standard Oil didn’t do all that work to be put out of business by a few  environmentalists.

Posted by: 4thewin at April 18, 2021 02:25 PM (OQfQX)

78 People are stupid and will buy a Toyota Feces for $80,000 thinking they are saving the planet.
Saving it for what I always ask them.....dumb asses.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 18, 2021 02:25 PM (R/m4+)

79 There are some (ask AOP) early eighty's that didn't have electronics. Also, those 60's will need to have hardened valves and seats because ...white gas.

Posted by:Braenyardat April 18, 2021 02:23 PM (nwT4M)


All available online (for now) to rebuild and not have to worry. Which I can do.

Posted by: GOPe at April 18, 2021 02:25 PM (jvt6t)

80 I live in Amish country so I'm not too worried.

Plus we have a natural gas Power plant down the road. I think it's like a secondary plant to balance out the load. Natural gas is good for that. You can get power pretty quickly with the plant on standby and just ticking over.

The only way to do it is distributed Nuclear reactors. Not giant megagiga watt things  but smaller sized plants of maybe 500kw up to 1 megkw.

They can make some hydrogen cell plants that are just a bit bigger than a large outside ac unit. Like 3x3x10. Provide 100kw. I've seen the ads a few years ago. They were touting them for places in Africa and India.

Posted by: Jakee308 at April 18, 2021 02:25 PM (LS3oW)

81
Again, thank you so much for all of your kind words and prayers - they have really bolstered our spirits! 

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas at April 18, 2021 02:22 PM (e6bHS

Thanks for the update, Teresa.  I will continue to pray.

Posted by: Emmie at April 18, 2021 02:25 PM (ofYez)

82 off loser sock

Posted by: Jak Sucio at April 18, 2021 02:25 PM (jvt6t)

83 when they make a battery that I can weld , let me know 

Posted by: REDACTED at April 18, 2021 02:26 PM (6iURM)

84  There is a theory the planet still makes oil deposits every day.

Posted by: Skip at April 18, 2021 02:24 PM (Cxk7w)

Abiotic genesis...I think.

Posted by: BignJames at April 18, 2021 02:26 PM (AwYPR)

85

HIGH. SPEED. RAIL. station in 2030: "Papers, please, comrade. Has this trip been authorized by the Party?"

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 18, 2021 02:19 PM (YqDXo

-

Think "Atlas Shrugged".

And you won't need papers. You'll be ID'd by either your payment method or facial recognition, etc.

Posted by: Biden's Dog at April 18, 2021 02:26 PM (VB5UE)

86 Prayers will continue, TiFW!!!!

Posted by: ... at April 18, 2021 02:26 PM (uEbPt)

87 47: Every American should drive from wherever they are, to AK, at least once in a lifetime.  

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at April 18, 2021 02:27 PM (49Dnm)

88 Until and unless a motive source is found that eclipses in totality the advantages of the ICE, it's what you'll drive.

The only marginally acceptable unit is a hybrid, it being vastly more practical.
Same with wind and solar, useful only as an adjunct to a functional fossil fuel system.

Posted by: irongrampa at April 18, 2021 02:27 PM (KATBx)

89 Energy density is where it's at. Where it's ALL at.
Find me an clean energy source that is denser than gasoline and I am all in.

Posted by:CharlieBrown'sDildoat April 18, 2021 02:19 PM (Q9lwr)
Absolutely right. Hydrocarbons are basically just the means of transporting electrons at high potential so as to transfer them later to oxygen. The energy density of hydrocarbons is tough to exceed on either a weight or volume basis.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 18, 2021 02:27 PM (YqDXo)

90 GOPe, sorry I don’t have any money for you  - go away.

Posted by: 4thewin at April 18, 2021 02:28 PM (OQfQX)

91 There is a less-cynical perspective on all this "renewable" energy push.  Sure, in the current and short term, there is insufficient availability, capability, and reliability, so invoke Necessity, the mother of invention, and make it better.  It's not necessarily realistic to force the invocation of that mantra like this, but as F'd up as the Soviet way of life was under Stalin (the worst time to live in the USSR), they did, out of necessity, develop tanks and munitions far superior to what the Germans had.  So, instead of griping about lack of electricity for everybody, figure out how to improve solar panels and batteries, you anti-SCILENCE! freaks.  (Do I really need to put a /sarc here?)

Posted by: SFGoth at April 18, 2021 02:28 PM (KAi1n)

92 There is a theory the planet still makes oil deposits every day.

At this point the idea that biological matter from millennia past has been crushed into petroleum is extremely difficult to support based on the gigantic amounts we keep finding more of.  There just cannot have been that much plant and animal matter around to generate this quantity.

It has to be something else, but nobody knows what at this point.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 18, 2021 02:29 PM (KZzsI)

93 FORD ran a Pinto advertisement touting its good gas mileage and gave stats on a run from Phoenix? to L.A.. - - It's a downhill run.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 18, 2021 02:16 PM (nwT4M)


Nobody walks in L.A.

Posted by: Missing Persons at April 18, 2021 02:29 PM (49Dnm)

94 There is a theory the planet still makes oil deposits every day.

Posted by: Skip at April 18, 2021 02:24 PM (Cxk7w)

Abiotic genesis...I think.

Posted by: BignJames at April 18, 2021 02:26 PM (AwYPR)

Black blood of the earth.

Posted by: Egg Shen at April 18, 2021 02:29 PM (2SdPm)

95 77 Standard Oil didn’t do all that work to be put out of business by a few  environmentalists.
British Petroleum adopted the buzzphrase "Beyond Petroleum" a couple decades ago. Exxon's advertisements now look like ads for Greenpeace. Yep - even the leadership of petroleum giants has embraced eco-Marxism.  It also helps them stamp-out their (much smaller) free-market competition.

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at April 18, 2021 02:29 PM (d9Cw3)

96 In SC we have electricity via nuclear power. Does not that count as renewable?
Oh, and they're shutting it down. Goodbye air conditioned comfort!

Posted by: Desultory Joe at April 18, 2021 02:30 PM (L9P9s)

97 @67 Teresa in Fort Worth

Thanks for the update. Will continue prayers for Paul and you as well.

Posted by: olddog in mo at April 18, 2021 02:30 PM (ju2Fy)

98 Well speaking of gas if I don't go get some my truck won't make toto work tomorrow. 

Posted by: Skip at April 18, 2021 02:31 PM (Cxk7w)

99
Find me an clean energy source that is denser than gasoline and I am all in. So...I will patiently wait for a nuclear powered automobile. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 18, 2021 02:19 PM (Q9lwr)
Define clean

Posted by: Diesel. _ ready when you are at April 18, 2021 02:31 PM (nwT4M)

100 "Health care will take a big hit.  Posted by:Jakee308" -- without access to all the crap people eat now and with having to actually do more physical labor, health care would generally improve at the "low-hanging fruit" level.  The stuff higher up, yeah, that'll take a hit.

Posted by: SFGoth at April 18, 2021 02:31 PM (KAi1n)

101 If today's oil execs were like the character Daniel Plainview in There Will Be Blood, I wouldn't worry so much.

Posted by: Jak Sucio at April 18, 2021 02:31 PM (jvt6t)

102 The details are hazy, and I don't know where I read it (but it was undoubtedly from an article linked here) that due to the extra resources required to build an electric vehicle, it takes 7 years of using the electric vehicle to offset the extra resources, energy, and pollution used in its manufacture.  The battery lasts about 7 years, so replacing the battery adds even more to its negative environmental impact.
This is not to say that we won't overcome this deficit in the future.  But there's no reason to hold ICE in disdain for now, since it's still the most efficient way to transport ourselves. 
("ICE", right?)

Posted by: Emmie at April 18, 2021 02:31 PM (ofYez)

103

And you won't need papers. You'll be ID'd by either your payment method or facial recognition, etc.

Posted by: Biden's Dog


They will be tracking your phone from 3 blocks away, and comparing it to the lists.

Posted by: Jean at April 18, 2021 02:32 PM (qYXpy)

104 Slower than Amtrak.

Posted by: klaftern at April 18, 2021 02:32 PM (RuIsu)

105 One time, I drove from DC to Topeka KS in 20 hours
I forget why

Posted by: DB- just DB at April 18, 2021 02:32 PM (iTXRQ)

106 Health care will take a big hit.

Posted by: Jakee308 at April 18, 2021 02:06 PM (LS3oW)

Not really, so long as you get plenty of exercise, and eat a balanced diet. 

What about medical care?

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at April 18, 2021 02:32 PM (49Dnm)

107 Slower than Amtrak.

Posted by: klaftern at April 18, 2021 02:32 PM (RuIsu)

Hey, just because it takes us 10 years to build 5 miles of track, no need for insults!

Posted by: Amtrak at April 18, 2021 02:34 PM (2SdPm)

108 There just cannot have been that much plant and animal matter around to generate this quantity.
What is the basis for that assertion? I have no idea of the relative amounts of petroleum compared to prehistoric plant and animal matter. In fact, no idea of the absolute quantities of either.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 18, 2021 02:34 PM (YqDXo)

109 Stamp out competition, Regulate.

Posted by: Oligarch's Inc. at April 18, 2021 02:34 PM (nwT4M)

110 You all ain't thinking. There will not be the population load that is current.

Die off of 50% to 75%. With automation that is still a sustainable infrastructure for living well. Every one allowed to exist will be assigned a particular job that they are required to do or they are removed from the community. If not outright disposed of on the spot.

Right now we're out of balance. Too many people to do things properly.

Figure a die off beginning in the next 2 years of and excess of 4 million will have the numbers down within 20 years. And during that time adjustments to how lives are lived will take place.

The die off may even be used to frighten and thus control the population and make them confine themselves and reduce their interaction with others. (gee sound familiar?)

Posted by: Jakee308 at April 18, 2021 02:35 PM (LS3oW)

111 When I lived in Edmond, OK the local news did a story on taking public transportation from Edmond to OKC. That's about 20 miles. By car it took about 20-25 minutes. By public transportation it took 3 1/2 hours. Who's up for a 7 hour round trip commute?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 18, 2021 02:36 PM (kTF2Z)

112 "There is a theory the planet still makes oil deposits every day. Posted by:Skip" -- It's a RUSSIAN theory, you TRAITOR!!!  In that vein (yeah, intended), I'm surprised Elon Musk hasn't tried to dig the deepest hole ever dug.  IIRC, the deepest is on the Kola peninsula.

Posted by: SFGoth at April 18, 2021 02:37 PM (KAi1n)

113 The die off may even be used to frighten and thus control the population and make them confine themselves and reduce their interaction with others. (gee sound familiar?)

Posted by: Jakee308 at April 18, 2021 02:35 PM (LS3oW)

Well, if the powers that be can scare the population of the US with what they claim is an excess die off of 500K people, a few millions will probably really make people sit up and take notice.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at April 18, 2021 02:37 PM (2SdPm)

114 my farthest non-stop solo drive was Mill River MA to Little Rock
albeit, in a E 350 pulling a 20 ft enclosed trailer

Posted by: REDACTED at April 18, 2021 02:38 PM (6iURM)

115
Screw those assholes. I have the last V-8.

Posted by: Mad Max at April 18, 2021 02:06 PM (jvt6t)


No, you don't.😄

Posted by: bluebell at April 18, 2021 02:38 PM (wyw4S)

116 I think there's speculation that oil is created in a number of ways. One of which is the formation deep in side the mantle with very large pressures acting on any organic material or even just the right elements brought together  and rising as they are formed into petroleum.

Posted by: Jakee308 at April 18, 2021 02:39 PM (LS3oW)

117

My uncle has a country place, that no one knows about.
He says it used to be a farm, before the Motor Law..

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 18, 2021 02:39 PM (63Dwl)

118
At this point the idea that biological matter from millennia past has been crushed into petroleum is extremely difficult to support based on the gigantic amounts we keep finding more of. There just cannot have been that much plant and animal matter around to generate this quantity. It has to be something else, but nobody knows what at this point.-------------
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 18, 2021 02:29 PM (KZzsI)


-------------------- And so far beneath the surface. Do they find any animal or plant artifiacts that far below the surface?

Posted by: Braenyard at April 18, 2021 02:40 PM (nwT4M)

119 All of us down at the Brattleboro Womins Gay Reprucktive Hellth clinic thinks we be good if we gets Soler Powered cars.

Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at April 18, 2021 02:41 PM (JLQTf)

120
I hadn't thought of that: don't drink the water! 

CARSON CITY, Nev. (AP) — The man-made lakes that store water supplying millions of people in the U.S. West and Mexico are projected to shrink to historic lows in the coming months, dropping to levels that could trigger the federal government’s first-ever official shortage declaration and prompt cuts in Arizona and Nevada.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 18, 2021 02:41 PM (63Dwl)

121 18 days. Lololol. 

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 18, 2021 02:43 PM (Uh2oA)

122 For sale: Electric car only driven on weekends. Comes with  50 mile extension cord. Make offer.

Posted by: Jakee308 at April 18, 2021 02:43 PM (LS3oW)

123 120 I hadn't thought of that: don't drink the water!
CARSON CITY, Nev. (AP) — The man-made lakes that store water supplying millions of people in the U.S. West and Mexico are projected to shrink to historic lows in the coming months, dropping to levels that could trigger the federal government’s first-ever official shortage declaration and prompt cuts in Arizona and Nevada.

Posted by:Bertram Cabot, Jr.at April 18, 2021 02:41 PM (63Dwl)

Man made? Wait, does that mean people are living in areas that naturally can't support them? Shouldn't the "return to Earth" types be telling people no one should be in these areas, cause the natural world is the bestest world?

Posted by: Bete at April 18, 2021 02:44 PM (Ojki1)

124 There is a theory the planet still makes oil deposits every day.
abiogenesis ...
... or little heretofore unknown creepy crawlies in the Earth's interior. 
Your choice.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at April 18, 2021 02:44 PM (pNxlR)

125 My long distance driving has mostly been between Tennessee, Minnesota, and California, i.e. the regions that they conspicuously avoided.  Totally useless for my needs unless I find myself rich enough to own several vehicles, one of which is strictly an in-town commuter vehicle.  Which, incidentally, describes all the EV owners that I know.

Posted by: CppThis at April 18, 2021 02:44 PM (zcf1k)

126 119All of us down at the Brattleboro Womins Gay Reprucktive Hellth clinic thinks we be good if we gets Soler Powered cars.

Posted by:Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VTat April 18, 2021 02:41 PM (JLQTf)

If you put a giant wind turbine on it the car could power itself while you are driving it! Perpetual Motion for all!

Posted by: Bete at April 18, 2021 02:45 PM (Ojki1)

127 Sounds like VW had to avoid fly over country.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 18, 2021 02:46 PM (nwT4M)

128 I stopped taking long trips  when gasoline went above 2.00 a gallon back in the 80s.

Back the a bus ride cost less. Now that's not true. 

Posted by: Jakee308 at April 18, 2021 02:46 PM (LS3oW)

129 Left Edwardsville, IL at 5 a.m. one morning and arrived in Annandale, Va around 1 a.m. the next day -- and that included the stupid idea of trying to drive route 50 through West Virginyougottabekiddingmeia.  Eventually, I wised up and went north on I-79 to I-68 to I-70 to the Beltway and home.  West Virginyougottabekiddingmeia is a beautiful state but not on the 3rd day of a x-country trip when you can't go more than 50 yards w/o a 90 degree turn.

Posted by: SFGoth at April 18, 2021 02:47 PM (KAi1n)

130 Wait, does that mean people are living in areas that naturally can't support them? Shouldn't the "return to Earth" types be telling people no one should be in these areas, cause the natural world is the bestest world?

Posted by:Bete

Please start by shutting down Las Vegas. Boulder Dam is an abomination! Hetch Hetchy MUST go now!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 18, 2021 02:47 PM (gtatv)

131 Maybe this will help?

Researchers have produced a structural battery that performs ten times better than all previous versions. It contains carbon fiber that serves simultaneously as an electrode, conductor, and load-bearing material. Their latest research breakthrough paves the way for essentially 'massless' energy storage in vehicles and other technology.


https://tinyurl.com/3mru5pyv


Posted by: Martini Farmer at April 18, 2021 02:47 PM (3H9h1)

132 British Petroleum adopted the buzzphrase "Beyond Petroleum" a couple decades ago. Exxon's advertisements now look like ads for Greenpeace.

Yeah BP was huge on green enviro stuff, then they had that derrick accident in the Gulf of Mexico that kinda ruined their image for a while

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 18, 2021 02:48 PM (KZzsI)

133 Didn't someone do a long electric car drive recently as well and claim they only had one time that they needed to stop and wait for a charge?  Of course that sounded like it was a sort of planned trip with multiple stops, not an actual need to get from point A to point B as soon as possible

Posted by: buzzion at April 18, 2021 02:48 PM (vMCab)

134 Honestly, I kinda miss the old diesel VW Jettas. Easily topped 50 mpg on long distance trips, and you could push 750 or 800 miles on a single tank. You couldn't break any Cannonball Run speed records, but you could go cross country with only three fill ups.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at April 18, 2021 02:48 PM (+WWsf)

135 Please start by shutting down Las Vegas. Boulder Dam is an abomination! Hetch Hetchy MUST go now!

Posted by:AZ deplorable moronat April 18, 2021 02:47 PM (gtatv)

*Looks at LA*

Posted by: Bete at April 18, 2021 02:48 PM (Ojki1)

136 Posted by: Bete at April 18, 2021 02:45 PM (Ojki1)
Have trailer that carries 500 sq ft of solar panels.

Didn't they have a car that was covered in solar panels won some renewable race like a few decades ago?

And then there's that flexible wing plane that can stay up for days. On solar.

And another that could fly using pedal power.

Posted by: Jakee308 at April 18, 2021 02:48 PM (LS3oW)

137 I remember reading in books about how thrilled people in the country were about affordable cars. They weren't isolated any more. I don't see how all this all ends, other than a crash. We have a system that trucks food in from other states and other countries. We've made housing too expensive to build. We are trying to make it too expensive to heat or cool your home. It's no wonder people are living in vans and tents. At least you have some options that way. 

Posted by: Notsothoreau at April 18, 2021 02:50 PM (YynYJ)

138 volkswagen diesel Rabbit.

They would run  for weeks on a tank of diesel.

Notice that now diesel costs more than gasoline? How did that happen?

All the folks that went diesel back in the 80s cause it was so much cheaper.

Posted by: Jakee308 at April 18, 2021 02:50 PM (LS3oW)

139 Forget bendy-wing airplanes, I want solar powered dirigibles for my world domination plan.  Because no world domination plan should be without dirigibles.

Posted by: CppThis at April 18, 2021 02:51 PM (zcf1k)

140 *Looks at LA*

Posted by:Bete

Hetch Hetchy supplies all the water for San Francisco. LA gets some from the Colorado river and a lot from the Sacramento Delta... except for when the bait fish need it so all of the aqueduct system goes to waste.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 18, 2021 02:51 PM (gtatv)

141 And so far beneath the surface. Do they find any animal or plant artifiacts that far below the surface?

Yeah, that's the other significant flaw in the biomass theory.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 18, 2021 02:51 PM (KZzsI)

142 Posted by: CppThis at April 18, 2021 02:51 PM (zcf1k)
Fly biplanes off of it.

Posted by: Jakee308 at April 18, 2021 02:52 PM (LS3oW)

143 136Posted by: Bete at April 18, 2021 02:45 PM (Ojki1)

Didn't they have a car that was covered in solar panels won some renewable race like a few decades ago?

Posted by:Jakee308at April 18, 2021 02:48 PM (LS3oW)

I have some vague memory of my college physics teacher saying once she worked on something like that with a group of others *mumble*somethingsomething* years ago. I don't know if it was this or some unrelated race thing.

Posted by: Bete at April 18, 2021 02:53 PM (Ojki1)

144 Plan a trip?  You're kidding.  I pack my suitcase, grab the atlas and I'm off.  Planning takes all the fun out of it.  You start obsessing about being at a certain place by a certain time.  
You may wind up in a dodgy motel or two but you'll have a lot more fun if you follow your nose.
Business trips excepted.

Posted by: creeper at April 18, 2021 02:53 PM (XxJt1)

145 I once found a bunch of popular mechanics and popular science magazines from the 30s and 40s. All talking about how the 80s and 90s were gonna be so cool with  car planes and dirigibles for transport and monster ships that people lived on year round.

Some really weird stuff. This was back in the 60s so it all still seemed doable.

Posted by: Jakee308 at April 18, 2021 02:55 PM (LS3oW)

146 And then along came Jimmy Carter.

Posted by: Jakee308 at April 18, 2021 02:56 PM (LS3oW)

147 And another that could fly using pedal power. Posted by: Jakee308 at April 18, 2021 02:48 PM (LS3oW)
----------
Ladies and gentlemen, this is your captain speaking. We've got a full flight today so we're really going to need you to pedal fast if we want to get off the runway. Looks like Mr Jones in 22A is not in good shape and won't be able to contribute so we're kicking him off this flight. Be better, Mr Jones.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 18, 2021 02:56 PM (kTF2Z)

148 Pony express went from St. Joseph to Sacramento in 7 days 17 hours...once.
Didn't use a single watt of global warming juice.

Posted by: torabora at April 18, 2021 02:56 PM (/tD0x)

149 145I once found a bunch of popular mechanics and popular science magazines from the 30s and 40s. All talking about how the 80s and 90s were gonna be so cool with car planes and dirigibles for transport and monster ships that people lived on year round.

Some really weird stuff. This was back in the 60s so it all still seemed doable.

Posted by:Jakee308at April 18, 2021 02:55 PM (LS3oW)

Sounds like the Science Fiction stuff that was produced then- far more fanciful but also far more colorful.

Posted by: Bete at April 18, 2021 02:57 PM (Ojki1)

150 I sometimes feel like the time will come when what you have, is all you have. Sort of like the Great Depression when you didn't have money to buy anything. 

Posted by: Notsothoreau at April 18, 2021 02:57 PM (YynYJ)

151 Not only did it take 18 days but they stopped to "refuel" 32 times. 32 times. 3000 miles in that antiquated gas technology should only take what 6 stops? So outdated. 

Posted by: Mst3k at April 18, 2021 02:57 PM (RHQnW)

152 The HQ is running like greased lightning this morning.  ace said yesterday we'd be back on the old server soon.  The switch must have been made.
Thank you, Pixy.

Posted by: creeper at April 18, 2021 02:57 PM (XxJt1)

153 Go to google maps, type in Winston drive, S.F. (which borders S.F. State to the north), go to satellite view, and zoom in.  All those white vehicles lining the road, and other roads in and around S.F. State?  RVs, every single one of them.  typesdeletestypesdeletes

Posted by: SFGoth at April 18, 2021 02:58 PM (KAi1n)

154 146And then along came Jimmy Carter.

Posted by:Jakee308at April 18, 2021 02:56 PM (LS3oW)


Hey, I gave you the EPA and brought China into the world community fiscal environment!

Posted by: Nixon, GoPe before you knew what that was at April 18, 2021 02:59 PM (Ojki1)

155
Plan a trip?  You're kidding.  I pack my suitcase, grab the atlas and I'm off.

Used to do that in my single days. Get hopelessly lost, then figure out where you are while having a large cone at a DQ. Now, of course, I'm a prisoner here at Schloss Hadrian while Her Majesty does the gallivanting.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 18, 2021 03:00 PM (mht8P)

156 We got lift off from Reagan.  After that... until Trump ...more malise. Now more malise again.
The beatings will continue until the moral improve comrade.

Posted by: torabora at April 18, 2021 03:00 PM (/tD0x)

157 Malise is WORSE than malaise.

Posted by: torabora at April 18, 2021 03:01 PM (/tD0x)

158 "I want solar powered dirigibles" -- That'll go over like a Lite Zeppelin

Posted by: SFGoth at April 18, 2021 03:01 PM (KAi1n)

159
 I once found a bunch of popular mechanics and popular science magazines from the 30s and 40s. All talking about how the 80s and 90s were gonna be so cool with  car planes and dirigibles for transport and monster ships that people lived on year round.
Some really weird stuff. This was back in the 60s so it all still seemed doable.
Posted by: Jakee308 at April 18, 2021 02:55 PM (LS3oW)

Of course, that was back in the days when we tried to do things instead of inventing reasons not to.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 18, 2021 03:02 PM (mht8P)

160 But. but Joey says we'll have trains that will cross America in a couple of hours. Faster than a jet even. 

Posted by: Someguy not that other one at April 18, 2021 03:02 PM (EyFCU)

161 My uncle has a country place, that no one knows about.
He says it used to be a farm, before the Motor Law..

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 18, 2021 02:39 PM (63Dwl)


Somewhere in my archives I have "A Nice Morning Drive" by Richard S. Foster that inspired that genius song.  

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at April 18, 2021 03:03 PM (49Dnm)

162 yeah RR was a nice guy and his heart was in the right place
but he was co opted in a nano second and the rest was BS

Posted by: REDACTED at April 18, 2021 03:04 PM (6iURM)

163 They could have packed a U-haul full of batteries and tethered it with an extension and made it a lot faster than that. 
Sheesh. Morons

Posted by: torabora at April 18, 2021 03:04 PM (/tD0x)

164
Black blood of the earth. Posted by: Egg Shen at April 18, 2021 02:29 PM (2SdPm)

Do you mean oil?

Posted by: Jack Burton at April 18, 2021 03:05 PM (ZSK0i)

165 160But. but Joey says we'll have trains that will cross America in a couple of hours. Faster than a jet even.

Posted by:Someguy not that other oneat April 18, 2021 03:02 PM (EyFCU)

Still waiting on that cure for cancer that Obumbles put him in charge of and Bidet said he'd do while in office.

Posted by: Bete at April 18, 2021 03:06 PM (Ojki1)

166 You know what's faster than Jody's electric choo choo train?
Cocaine going up Hunter's nose.

Posted by: torabora at April 18, 2021 03:07 PM (/tD0x)

167 The big thing they don't talk about is the battery issue.  Not only how after five years or so batteries a a heck of a door stop and nothing else.  
They also fail to mention how long it takes to recharge a battery.   Good batteries give one hour of power for one hour of recharge.  Most batteries are not "good".  If it took the same time to recharge a battery as it takes to fill a gas tank I am betting that time could be cut in half.

Posted by: Big V at April 18, 2021 03:07 PM (6Pqz7)

168 So Stanford published a study showing masks are useless against Kungflu but do introduce long term physical and mental heath risks. Karen t'Hobo, Boulder Co, hardest hit.
Wonder if Stanford will have all its Federal money pulled, including not a place people can go to with fed backed loans.

Posted by: Bete at April 18, 2021 03:11 PM (Ojki1)

169 Posted by: Bete at April 18, 2021 03:11 PM (Ojki1)
Linky?

Posted by: Baron Munchausen at April 18, 2021 03:13 PM (C1NyB)

170 California has mandated that all vehicles will benEV by 2035. Of course they never mention the fact that they can't meet electricity demand now, let alone when millions of cars have to be charged. They also have no plans to expand electricity generation.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 18, 2021 03:13 PM (kTF2Z)

171 volkswagen diesel Rabbit.

They would run  for weeks on a tank of diesel.

 Had a vw diesel dasher station wagon.  Maybe once a month I'd stop at the coop for 78c fuel, 10g of kerosene for the shed heater, a trunk full of split peas for chicken feed, and a few boxes of 22.  Good Ole days 

Posted by: Jean at April 18, 2021 03:13 PM (qYXpy)

172 Breaking: Stanford University no longer exists.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 18, 2021 03:14 PM (kTF2Z)

173 Probably mentioned all the hard to process metals needed for batteries. I always say Leftism is one stage thinking.

Posted by: Skip at April 18, 2021 03:15 PM (Cxk7w)

174
Of course they never mention the fact that they can't meet electricity demand now, let alone when millions of cars have to be charged. They also have no plans to expand electricity generation.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 18, 2021 03:13 PM (kTF2Z)

Well then, you just shouldn't be driving at all.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 18, 2021 03:15 PM (mht8P)

175 169Posted by:Beteat April 18, 2021 03:11 PM (Ojki1)
Linky?

Posted by:Baron Munchausenat April 18, 2021 03:13 PM (C1NyB)

Outkick .com has the story. In fairness, they didn't provide a link to the research so I am going off their author's take, and they may be over stating things for all I know.
And for all I know like the Johns Hopkins research months ago  it has already been deemed problematic and memory holed.

Posted by: Bete at April 18, 2021 03:15 PM (Ojki1)

176 Link to Stanford Report:

https://tinyurl.com/3xec58x4

Posted by: Jakee308 at April 18, 2021 03:16 PM (LS3oW)

177
Well then, you just shouldn't be driving at all.

Posted by:Hadrian the Seventhat April 18, 2021 03:15 PM (mht8P)

Which will be the answer they come up with. As well as tailoring down the need by helping to adjust the "surplus population."

Posted by: Bete at April 18, 2021 03:17 PM (Ojki1)

178 Jakee, that link goes to a COVID story.

Posted by: creeper at April 18, 2021 03:18 PM (XxJt1)

179 Electric is the future. I would move to Texas.

Posted by: Dingler at April 18, 2021 03:18 PM (I6l/n)

180
Of course they never mention the fact that they can't meet electricity demand now, let alone when millions of cars have to be charged. They also have no plans to expand electricity generation.



well see, that's the neat thing about progressivism. If you want something to work, it will. It just will.

Posted by: DB- just DB at April 18, 2021 03:19 PM (iTXRQ)

181 Posted by: Bete at April 18, 2021 03:15 PM (Ojki1)
Thank you.

Posted by: Baron Munchausen at April 18, 2021 03:19 PM (C1NyB)

182 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0306987720333028
Link to the study 

Posted by: Bete at April 18, 2021 03:20 PM (Ojki1)

183 Creeper, That's the only way to road trip.  I did that with a boyfriend a few years back. We had two nights out of ten planned.  One I wanted to stay at the hotel in Monument Valley and the other we camped in Chaco Canyon.  
We drove all over AZ, NM and southwest CO.  Stayed in some funky motels and ate in some tiny, family owned jewells. 

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 18, 2021 03:20 PM (U2p+3)

184 Posted by: creeper at April 18, 2021 03:18 PM (XxJt1)

That's the report on the research done on the efficacy of face masks.

That's what was mentioned above.

Posted by: Jakee308 at April 18, 2021 03:20 PM (LS3oW)

185 Cannon Ball Run (New York City to Los Angeles) did it in just over 25 hours.

Posted by: YIKES! at April 18, 2021 03:20 PM (t6XCL)

186 Surely the German Volts should know it's a GAS  GAS  GAS  Man?

Posted by: saf at April 18, 2021 03:20 PM (/N+d8)

187 Couple of years ago I drove a KIA hybrid from PA to Hamilton MT. Only took about 40 hours. Electric drive but gas motor kept battery on line and took over when needed. Averaged 48 mpg with 4 people and luggage. Nobody had enough vacation time to take 18 effing days.

Posted by: Cosda at April 18, 2021 03:21 PM (pPTaR)

188 Tesla has stations virtually on all interstates every 50 miles or so. You can a cross country trip in a few days in one. VW is smoking crack if they think this is some great accomplishment. And yeah I’ve seen EVs at ski resorts in Utah and Wyoming. 

Posted by: Joe XiDen at April 18, 2021 03:21 PM (mTEHM)

189 well see, that's the neat thing about progressivism. If you want something to work, it will. It just will.

Posted by B- just DBat April 18, 2021 03:19 PM (iTXRQ)

And if it doesn't it is because there are unbelievers in your midst, whom you must find and purge for Utopia to come into being.
Cause #ScienceBased

Posted by: Bete at April 18, 2021 03:22 PM (Ojki1)

190 Ignore the energy density of power sources at your peril, leftist dimwits. 

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at April 18, 2021 02:06 PM (pKKMW)

Without widespread (ie. in every single state between 2-4 power plants) nuclear power plants you can't have "green electric cars" replacing current gasoline automobiles.

And no one is talking about it and you sure as hell can't have them with wind or solar.  No matter how great your batteries are.  So, the conclusion is that this is another Leftist scam to leverage the stupidity of the Low IQ Democrat/Progtard/commie voters into forcing the normies into mass transit trains/buses and restricting unauthorised movement and freedom.

That's your authoritarian Great Reset in a nutshell.  Making people poorer, less productive, less freedom. and eating up heir lives with wasted, crackpot activity.

Yay!

Posted by: naturalfake at April 18, 2021 03:22 PM (EERbD)

191 They are the same thing. one is on the NIH website. And the other is the same report only at Science direct website.

Posted by: Jakee308 at April 18, 2021 03:22 PM (LS3oW)

192 I smell some closeted gay guys. LOLs

Posted by: Dingler at April 18, 2021 03:22 PM (I6l/n)

193 I'm a betting I could drive across the US on my Honda 90 in 17 days.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Shecky's orange is Green at April 18, 2021 03:23 PM (nLs8t)

194 it'll be nice when Pixy can get the TB3K spooled back up...

Posted by: AltonJackson at April 18, 2021 03:24 PM (DUIap)

195 Posted by: creeper at April 18, 2021 03:18 PM (XxJt1)
Did you read it or because of the website it was on you didn't?

The both have the same wording and the same title and as far as I can tell they are the same. Same conclusion too.

Posted by: Jakee308 at April 18, 2021 03:24 PM (LS3oW)

196 183 Creeper, That's the only way to road trip.  I did that with a boyfriend a few years back. We had two nights out of ten planned.  One I wanted to stay at the hotel in Monument Valley and the other we camped in Chaco Canyon.  
We drove all over AZ, NM and southwest CO.  Stayed in some funky motels and ate in some tiny, family owned jewells. 

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 18, 2021 03:20 PM (U2p+3)


Absitively.  I carried it to extremes, though, getting on a plane bound for Athens (Greece, not GA) with no hotel reservations anywhere.  Lodgings were basic and the beach was rocks but it was still a blast.


There is one trip I plan...Cookson to Corsicana in October.  That one's sacred.

Posted by: creeper at April 18, 2021 03:24 PM (XxJt1)

197 Oh look, troll is posting from their mom's closet. Wonder if xir's closet mates know he is slurring them?

Posted by: Bete at April 18, 2021 03:24 PM (Ojki1)

198 Norway gets all its money from oil and gas. And then uses that money to massively subsidize EVs. I love the irony there. Anyway Norway has something like 50% of new car sales as EVs. Somehow it works, there is enough electricity, people in apartments can charge, etc. 

Posted by: Joe XiDen at April 18, 2021 03:26 PM (mTEHM)

199 195Posted by: creeper at April 18, 2021 03:18 PM (XxJt1)
Did you read it or because of the website it was on you didn't?

The both have the same wording and the same title and as far as I can tell they are the same. Same conclusion too.

Posted by:Jakee308at April 18, 2021 03:24 PM (LS3oW)


No, Jakee.  I read it.  Even Ctrl/F'd "Stanford".  Nothing in the article about it.

Posted by: creeper at April 18, 2021 03:26 PM (XxJt1)

200  And yeah I’ve seen EVs at ski resorts in Utah and Wyoming. 

Posted by: Joe XiDen at April 18, 2021 03:21 PM (mTEHM)


Yeah, I used to quadraphonic stereos at coke dealer's cribs

Posted by: REDACTED at April 18, 2021 03:26 PM (6iURM)

201 200
Huh? 

Posted by: Joe XiDen at April 18, 2021 03:27 PM (mTEHM)

202 Texass owns the heat belt. Invest in solar and Elon Musk, Tesla. LOls

Posted by: Dingler at April 18, 2021 03:27 PM (I6l/n)

Posted by: Emmie at April 18, 2021 03:28 PM (ofYez)

204 sorry, left out a "see", tired old man

Posted by: REDACTED at April 18, 2021 03:28 PM (6iURM)

205 Posted by: creeper at April 18, 2021 03:26 PM (XxJt1)
It's the same story Bete linked to but on a different website.

It's a essay on how and why they were studying the efficacy of facemasks for the covid virus and the conclusion was they did not stop the virus.

I don't know what you're reading.

Posted by: Jakee308 at April 18, 2021 03:28 PM (LS3oW)

206 How quickly can you cross the US on a bicycle?

Posted by: Jean at April 18, 2021 03:28 PM (qYXpy)

207 "Gasoline-powered vehicles probably did more to advance liberty and standards of living in the 20thcentury than anything else. "
Marshall McLuhan made this point.  He said that the car enabled you to have a zone of privacy like your home, but away from your home.  My words, not his.  But it is astonishing the change in your life and outlook driving makes.
And you can take that from me, a person who only learned to drive in my late 30s.

Posted by: jocon307 at April 18, 2021 03:29 PM (HYa+m)

208 It would be nice if we could go back and edit a bit. Site wise, it still sucks.

Posted by: Dingler at April 18, 2021 03:29 PM (I6l/n)

209 Green bullsh*t aside, I wouldn't mind having a electric vehicle for daily commute to work.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at April 18, 2021 03:29 PM (LLRcL)

210 Posted by: Bitter Clinger at April 18, 2021 03:29 PM (LLRcL)
Depends on what you're paying for electric. Some places it's pretty steep.

Some places depending on what they use to generate it are cheaper.

Posted by: Jakee308 at April 18, 2021 03:31 PM (LS3oW)

211 Well, buddy... If you don't like the site, you could always open a vein. That would solve it for you. 

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 18, 2021 03:31 PM (Uh2oA)

212 In the years I got to watch LeMons 24hr race I figured they did the equivalent of cross country in that 24 hrs

Posted by: Skip at April 18, 2021 03:32 PM (Cxk7w)

213 I see the lightning-fast morons sound here beat me to providing the link.
Kudos y'all!

Posted by: Emmie at April 18, 2021 03:33 PM (ofYez)

214 Not sure which is more exciting news, an electric car doing in 10 what a gas-powered car can do in three, or that the chocolate ration is being increased.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at April 18, 2021 03:33 PM (EZebt)

215 "209 Green bullsh*t aside, I wouldn't mind having a electric vehicle for daily commute to work."
**** Nothing wrong with saving money if electric works for you. The problem is when the assholes try to make it mandatory.

Posted by: Cosda at April 18, 2021 03:34 PM (CoWRX)

216 209 Green bullsh*t aside, I wouldn't mind having a electric vehicle for daily commute to work. 

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at April 18, 2021 03:29 PM (LLRcL)

You can.  Right now EVs are very much a toy to scoot around the city.  Great use for them

You just need two cars.  One standard for outside the city.  One toy for limited driving in the city.

Posted by: naturalfake at April 18, 2021 03:34 PM (EERbD)

217 electric vehicles reminds me of women's suffrage 
seems like a good, natural idea on the surface

Posted by: REDACTED at April 18, 2021 03:35 PM (6iURM)

218 Gas cars make way more cool sounds.

Posted by: Dingler at April 18, 2021 03:35 PM (I6l/n)

219

18 days? I visited my parents this past Christmas...drove there, rather than suffer under the slave muzzle for hours at a time in an airplane. I deliberately took a longer route on the way there to visit friends along the way, but that only added one more driving day.

On the return trip? Shortest route from Beavercreek, OH (near Dayton) to Las Vegas was a bit over 2000 miles. I drove it in three days, with stops in Miami, OK, and Amarillo, TX (at motels chosen for no face diapers required).

Getting there was 2500 miles, with stops to visit in Bisbee, AZ, and Georgetown, TX (near Austin) and one more overnight in Forrest City, AR (again, at a motel chosen for no face diapers required).

Google Maps says the shortest route from NYC to Sacramento is only about 2800 miles along I-80. (Add about 70 miles to leave NYC on I-70, but you'll onlybe connecting to I-80 in the Quad Cities, so just leave on I-80 and be done with it). This route goes across Nebraska, southern Wyoming, northern Utah, and northern Nevada, with the only somewhat sizable cities west of Omaha and Lincoln being Salt Lake City, Reno, and maybe Cheyenne (never been there, so I don't know how big it is).

Instead, they more than doubled their distance. Even I-95/I-10/I-5 (driving nearly the length of I-10 from Jacksonville, FL, to Los Angeles), the shortest approximation of their trip, adds up to about 3700 miles. In a gas vehicle, you can cover that extra 900 miles in a really long day (Amarillo to Las Vegas was about 860 miles, with only quick stops to eat (drive-thru only), gas up, and take a leak or two). In an EV? That'll easily be a two-day extension right there, on top of probably not being able to go more than 500-600 miles per day, whether you're up to a longer drive or not.

Posted by: Scott at April 18, 2021 03:37 PM (HqqCY)

220 Couldn't imagine me having 500 pounds of tools and having a 60 mile round commute would go well.

Posted by: Skip at April 18, 2021 03:37 PM (Cxk7w)

221 The Internal Combustion Engine.  Love it or be struck down as Unroadworthy.

Posted by: DaveA at April 18, 2021 03:40 PM (FhXTo)

222 ADAPT.

WILL I BE BANNED again?

Posted by: Dingler at April 18, 2021 03:41 PM (I6l/n)

223 When the ex and I started making babies, I had to sell my old F-150 and invest in a VW Passat TDI . It was consistently around 50 MPG. It was built like a tank as well. I saved so much damn money driving that beast. Comfy as fuck as well.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at April 18, 2021 03:41 PM (Oog2f)

224 Just in case it hasn't been mentioned yet, that trip could conceivably be done 17 times in that same 18 day period by an internal combustion engined car. 

Posted by: Moron Robbie - don't boycott Amazon, but make them lose money on you at April 18, 2021 03:41 PM (JGfRS)

225 EV's are like a Lennon tune
sound good until you try to dance to it

Posted by: REDACTED at April 18, 2021 03:43 PM (6iURM)

226 "It’s almost as if the greens and government planners are successful in getting us out of gas-powered cars and into electric cars, we might find our freedom of movement greatly constrained by an inability to power our cars."
No, no, not at all!  You can take the gleaming bullet train, or the proletarian mass-transit.

Posted by: gp Embraces The Suck at April 18, 2021 03:43 PM (qpX6U)

227 Reliable is the important part.

Posted by: Dingler at April 18, 2021 03:44 PM (I6l/n)

228 Green bullsh*t aside, I wouldn't mind having a electric vehicle for daily commute to work."
**** Nothing wrong with saving money if electric works for you. The problem is when the assholes try to make it mandatory.

Posted by: Cosda at April 18, 2021 03:34 PM (CoWRX)


This too is the story of veganism and vaccines.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at April 18, 2021 03:44 PM (Oog2f)

229 That dirty four letter word, 'coal,' is going to melt your noodle and your lithium-ion battery.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at April 18, 2021 03:45 PM (yOVXa)

230 We just returned from a vaca 2 weeks ago. Drove Akron to Myrtle Beach and back. One refueling stop each way. Long haul range on our Bronco Sport is 450 mi or so. That's with a fair bit of 80+ mph driving and a few hours in the mountains of WV and VA.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at April 18, 2021 03:46 PM (8C7+r)

231 I know from using battery power tools these last 20 years they don't last forever. 

Posted by: Skip at April 18, 2021 03:48 PM (Cxk7w)

232 A while back, Karl Denninger made an interesting point, that the advent of "EV's" and their limited range, would be the end to rental properties on the coasts, resorts, etc.  A massive collapse of real estate investment.  No one would be able to drive there routinely and cost effectively. The other aspect of "EV's" are charging stations. Could you imagine the infrastructure cost to builing 50 EV charging stations at a hotel/motel?  And the power draw needed to recharge them. At a nearby major shopping center, there is a Tesla dealership, and the adjacent parking garage  (all built by Les Wexner) has EV charging stations.  There are about 12 charging stations. Wow.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....Living on the prison planet at April 18, 2021 03:48 PM (tjZg/)

233 >>> 232 A while back, Karl Denninger made an interesting point, that the advent of "EV's" and their limited range, would be the end to rental properties on the coasts, resorts, etc. A massive collapse of real estate investment. No one would be able to drive there routinely and cost effectively. The other aspect of "EV's" are charging stations. Could you imagine the infrastructure cost to builing 50 EV charging stations at a hotel/motel? And the power draw needed to recharge them. At a nearby major shopping center, there is a Tesla dealership, and the adjacent parking garage (all built by Les Wexner) has EV charging stations. There are about 12 charging stations. Wow. Posted by: Bozo Conservative....Living on the prison planet at April 18, 2021 03:48 PM (tjZg/) Only important people will be allowed near the ocean.

Posted by: B. Gates at April 18, 2021 03:50 PM (b8eqQ)

234 OT:

True minimum wage? 

Zero dollars an hour. 


Kroger closes 2 Southern California stores over $4 per hour 'hero pay' ordinance


https://fxn.ws/3mXi125

Posted by: rickb223 at April 18, 2021 03:50 PM (OCTRt)

235 Its not that easy, but face reality.

Posted by: Dingler at April 18, 2021 03:51 PM (I6l/n)

236 231I know from using battery power tools these last 20 years they don't last forever.

Posted by:Skipat April 18, 2021 03:48 PM (Cxk7w)

It's fine as the strip mining for the materials to make these batteries are done in foreign countries, and nothing those countries do can hurt the environment (unless they go nuclear), cause like the Rona negative things only happen when they match up to certain political wants.

Posted by: Bete at April 18, 2021 03:51 PM (Ojki1)

237 It's always so bizarre to watch leftists throw out suggestions of homosexuality as an insult. 

Posted by: Moron Robbie - don't boycott Amazon, but make them lose money on you at April 18, 2021 03:52 PM (ohw1X)

238 The theory that the earth makes/re-news its oil deposits is called Abiotic Theory. After WWII Stalin put scientists studying oil and exploring for it. So yeah, someone I think mentioned above that it was Russian scientists that came up with that. It's been talked about in detail in oil industry magazines.

Posted by: JROD at April 18, 2021 03:52 PM (0jZnq)

239

True minimum wage?

Zero dollars an hour.


Kroger closes 2 Southern California stores over $4 per hour 'hero pay' ordinance


https://fxn.ws/3mXi125

Posted by:rickb223at April 18, 2021 03:50 PM (OCTRt)

Good and Hard strikes again. But the headline will be Kroger hates heroes, creates food desert. 

Posted by: Bete at April 18, 2021 03:53 PM (Ojki1)

240 Only important people will be allowed near the ocean.

Posted by: B. Gates at April 18, 2021 03:50 PM (b8eqQ)


Crab People.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at April 18, 2021 03:54 PM (Oog2f)

241 know from using battery power tools these last 20 years they don't last forever.
-
There's a really good reason you can find all the just out of warranty $45k electric cars you could ever want for $10-$14k on Craigslist. 

Posted by: Moron Robbie - don't boycott Amazon, but make them lose money on you at April 18, 2021 03:54 PM (ohw1X)

242 best time I ever made on a long distance drive was years ago, with 2 other good drivers in the car so we could switch out.   East Texas to Phoenix, AZ, 1100 miles, we made it in 17 hours.  Left at 6 pm, arrived at 11 am.  (ignoring time zone change)  We stopped to fill up, do pit stop, and swap drivers every 6 hours.  No more than 10 minutes per stop.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 18, 2021 03:55 PM (bxPTJ)

243

Good and Hard strikes again. But the headline will be Kroger hates heroes, creates food desert. 


Posted by: Bete



"The mandate will add an additional $20 million in operating costs over the next 120 days, making it financially unsustainable to continue operating the three underperforming locations," Kroger said in a statement.


Posted by: rickb223 at April 18, 2021 03:56 PM (OCTRt)

244 A while back, Karl Denninger made an interesting point, that the advent of "EV's" and their limited range, would be the end to rental properties on the coasts, resorts, etc.  A massive collapse of real estate investment.  No one would be able to drive there routinely and cost effectively. The other aspect of "EV's" are charging stations. Could you imagine the infrastructure cost to builing 50 EV charging stations at a hotel/motel?  And the power draw needed to recharge them. At a nearby major shopping center, there is a Tesla dealership, and the adjacent parking garage  (all built by Les Wexner) has EV charging stations.  There are about 12 charging stations. Wow.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....Living on the prison planet at April 18, 2021 03:48 PM (tjZg/)

That's a good point.  Cuz EVs suck unless you can charge pretty much every time you park somewhere.

That would allow you to keep your "tank topped up" so to speak and massive recharging down time would be avoided.

But, still no relief for the huge temperature inspired inefficiencies of EV batteries. (esp, cold) or for out of town drive.

Still an inner city toy.

If they had a battery that could charge for a 500 mile trip regardless of temperature in 15 min.  Then you would have a general use EV roughly the equivalent of a gas powered car.  Until then...bleh

Posted by: naturalfake at April 18, 2021 03:56 PM (EERbD)

245
Kroger closes 2 Southern California stores over $4 per hour 'hero pay' ordinance https://fxn.ws/3mXi125 Posted by: rickb223 at April 18, 2021 03:50 PM (OCTRt)
It would take a heart of stone not to laugh at that.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 18, 2021 03:56 PM (kTF2Z)

246 We stopped to fill up, do pit stop, and swap drivers every 6 hours.  No more than 10 minutes per stop.
-
FWIW the current coast to coast cannonball run record is just over 25 hours. 

Posted by: Moron Robbie - don't boycott Amazon, but make them lose money on you at April 18, 2021 03:57 PM (ohw1X)

247 https://fxn.ws/3mXi125
Posted by: rickb223 at April 18, 2021 03:50 PM (OCTRt)-----------------

No Kroger's, no Walgreens; no foo, no medicine.
Cut their water off and it will be over.

Transition back to a natural state of existence - - the natives will be restless during the transition.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 18, 2021 03:58 PM (nwT4M)

248 best time I ever made on a long distance drive was years ago, with 2 other good drivers in the car so we could switch out.   East Texas to Phoenix, AZ, 1100 miles, we made it in 17 hours.  Left at 6 pm, arrived at 11 am.  (ignoring time zone change)  We stopped to fill up, do pit stop, and swap drivers every 6 hours.  No more than 10 minutes per stop.  Posted by: Tom Servo

Even with three drivers, the best we could do from Pittsburgh, Texas to Ontario, Canada was 2 days. 

Posted by: rickb223 at April 18, 2021 03:58 PM (OCTRt)

249 Even with three drivers, the best we could do from Pittsburgh, Texas to Ontario, Canada was 2 days. 

Posted by: rickb223 at April 18, 2021 03:58 PM (OCTRt)


Texas pussies

Posted by: REDACTED at April 18, 2021 04:01 PM (6iURM)

250
The other aspect of "EV's" are charging stations. Could you imagine the infrastructure cost to builing 50 EV charging stations at a hotel/motel? ............................................................................................. Posted b: Bozo Conservative....Livin


City lights dim when the prison turns on the electric chair.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 18, 2021 04:03 PM (nwT4M)

251 Nood food

Posted by: Skip at April 18, 2021 04:03 PM (Cxk7w)

252 Food nood.

Posted by: olddog in mo at April 18, 2021 04:03 PM (ju2Fy)

253 Heck, the Pony Express was able to get mail from Missouri to Sacramento in only 10 days. In 1860.On horseback.
Hell, Hitler made it from Berlin to Paris in nine days, traveling with thousands of soldiers and massive armaments - and he INVENTED the Volkswagen!

Posted by: jbspry at April 18, 2021 04:04 PM (ATe9j)

254 Another nice thing about recharging your car in a strange town. Assholes tht know you are there and a captive audience for quite a long tome

Posted by: Bruce at April 18, 2021 04:04 PM (1hpHR)

255 Running Coast to Coast record is 42 days.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at April 18, 2021 04:06 PM (Oog2f)

256 WUWT has a piece up about the looming crisis on recycling EV batteries, and by looming I mean it's here, right now.  A lot of them are just winding up in landfills, cuz there is little ability to recycle them and the process is expensive. Go figure, huh?

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 18, 2021 04:07 PM (F0YaR)

257 EV batteries in the land fill.
Now that's green.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 18, 2021 04:10 PM (nwT4M)

258 Talking to any of these greenies is like speaking to a 5 year old. They have no idea where electricity comes from, that it is something in the air that we can capture. They don't believe that the computers and cell phones and organic foods and lights and heat all depend on petroleum products to be developed and delivered. They are completely clueless. And don't even ask them about the airline industry. 

Posted by: megthered at April 18, 2021 04:10 PM (hE1hd)

259
Kroger closes 2 Southern California stores over $4 per hour 'hero pay' ordinance
Is Kroger one of the "woke" companies protesting against Georgia's voter integrity law?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 18, 2021 04:11 PM (63Dwl)

260 254 Another nice thing about recharging your car in a strange town. Assholes tht know you are there and a captive audience for quite a long tome

Posted by: Bruce at April 18, 2021 04:04 PM (1hpHR)


U-Turn 2: Electric Boogaloo 

Posted by: Oliver Stone at April 18, 2021 04:11 PM (Oog2f)

261 Last coast-to-coast record that I heard of was 28 *hours*.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 18, 2021 04:13 PM (vOGqy)

262 Hey, Ben Had!  If it gets terrible, and I'm still alive, I can spin on spindle or wheel, weave, chip-carve, whittle minor utensils, and similar low-tech stuff.  Be more than willing to help set up a Horde Compound, if I'd be welcome.

Posted by: Empire1 at April 18, 2021 04:14 PM (JJatH)

263 Empire1,
I have enough wheels, spindles and treadle sewing machines for that compound. Could stand to stock up on thread!

Posted by: Notsothoreau at April 18, 2021 04:16 PM (YynYJ)

264 It doesn’t take 18 days.  A Model 3 made in 45hours.  We have a 3 Performance and is easily the best all around sports sedan on the road.
Y’all are missing out.

Posted by: NovaNeck at April 18, 2021 04:16 PM (MBC9d)

265 Electric avenue woz a big hit but it ain't driving tha' chix to Dance @ no plug in joint.....................

Posted by: saf at April 18, 2021 04:24 PM (/N+d8)

266 Gaslighting at it's best. Presenting an 18 day cross- country drive as a resounding success instead of an exercise in mediocrity.

Posted by: West at April 18, 2021 04:24 PM (QY+6a)

267 Left Ironton, OH at about 9:00 a.m., camped on the beach at Cape Hatteras about 3:00 a.m. the next morning. 690 miles, stopped at 5 bars along the way. '72 Honda CB750. Longest one-day ride I ever made.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 18, 2021 04:24 PM (CTJwJ)

268 45 hours my ass. This sounds like Biden's light speed trains.  Dumbass troll. 

Posted by: Only Context at April 18, 2021 04:27 PM (xEIoY)

269 "264 It doesn’t take 18 days.  A Model 3 made in 45hours.  We have a 3 Performance and is easily the best all around sports sedan on the road. Y’all are missing out.

Posted by: NovaNeck "


How much did it cost to swap out the battery ~10 times?

Posted by: West at April 18, 2021 04:28 PM (QY+6a)

270  45 hours my ass. This sounds like Biden's light speed trains.  Dumbass troll. 

Posted by: Only Context

I think that there have been a number of sub-45 hour runs.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 18, 2021 04:29 PM (DMQdU)

271
"The mandate will add an additional $20 million in operating costs over the next 120 days, making it financially unsustainable to continue operating the three underperforming locations," Kroger said in a statement.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 18, 2021 03:56 PM (OCTRt)


Hey, Kroger; it sounds like you are too preoccupied with staying solvent.  Don't you know it's your duty to provide good-paying jobs?

Posted by: Emmie at April 18, 2021 04:34 PM (ofYez)

272 Making this tonight for dinner....

Baked Lemon-Butter Chicken Thighs


https://tinyurl.com/yfvvrqjv


I'm using skinless/boneless because that's what I had thawed.

Posted by: Tami at April 18, 2021 04:34 PM (cF8AT)

273 Ooops...wrong thread.

Posted by: Tami at April 18, 2021 04:35 PM (cF8AT)

274 WOW

Posted by: Dingler at April 18, 2021 04:43 PM (I6l/n)

275 NOOOODS??? just guessing.

Posted by: Dingler at April 18, 2021 04:47 PM (I6l/n)

276 Talking to any of these greenies is like speaking to a 5 year old. They have no idea where electricity comes from, that it is something in the air that we can capture. They don't believe that the computers and cell phones and organic foods and lights and heat all depend on petroleum products to be developed and delivered. They are completely clueless. And don't even ask them about the airline industry. 

Posted by: megthered at April 18, 2021 04:10 PM (hE1hd)


I'm "friends" with JPLers, astrophysicists, and others who should know better, but still push the green line. It's a religion.

Posted by: InCali at April 18, 2021 04:51 PM (ov5G+)

277 Still doubting the 45 hours,  but if true the best gasoline time is still twice as good. 

Posted by: Only Context at April 18, 2021 04:57 PM (xEIoY)

278 That reminds me.  Florida is out of water.  We've had enough rainfall and all that, pretty average year, just too many people moving down here.  So don't come here.  Especially, tell your progressives friends and relatives they must not come here, lest they dehydrate and also irritate Mother Earth, who does not want them here else she would have provided more water.
Go away, everyone.

Posted by: Persnickety at April 18, 2021 05:04 PM (w1Sv/)

279 "...New York City to Los Angeles in 25 hours, 39 minutes,..." If you tip the cabbie $100.

Posted by: harleycowboy at April 18, 2021 05:49 PM (+9AX9)

280 In 1909, a Model T completed the Ocean to Ocean endurance contest in 23 days. That was before modern roads and highways.
18 days is truly pathetic.

Posted by: STV at April 18, 2021 07:26 PM (m4GYV)

281 FYI, I did a DITY move back around '93, from northern Maine to Eastern Washington. I did it via Texas and North Dakota. And it still only took me about 11 days. In a 16-foot UHaul, pulling my car on a trailer.

And that includes the extra day while I waited for UHaul to come out to Minot and replace the starter. AND the extra half day while UHaul came out in Montana and reconnected the alternator properly (which they had messed up when they fixed the starter). And a couple of days to see friends and family.

Posted by: GWB at April 18, 2021 11:26 PM (QTm+F)

282 ERCOT sent out a warning to residents in Texas last week saying that they had "miscalculated" the anticipated electric consumption for a week that had very little swings in electric demands.  They spoke at length about this on WBAP in Dallas.  The question at hand is: Who the hell do they have doing the forecasting in power demands, and why should they not be fired (or worse)?

Posted by: txmarko at April 18, 2021 11:53 PM (Tx7cg)

283 Oil always seemed to me like it was part of a natural process, not "fossil” fuel.  My biggest objection to fracking was that it would somehow interfere with the "abiotic” process.

Posted by: Robschr at April 19, 2021 12:22 AM (Vxj/J)

284 "With 21st Century technology they are able to make what was once a 4-day drive with quick and easily-available refueling, into a multi-week ordeal where you must obsess about fuel availability."
Hell, I did it in 1.5 days. Philadelphia to San Diego. With 3 speeding tickets.

Posted by: Dessert4two69 at April 19, 2021 12:28 PM (VcZlJ)

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