April 03, 2014

Justice Breyer Pens a Remarkable Dissent in the Campaign Finance Case, Arguing that Free Expression is a Collective Right to be Permitted Only to the Extent It Furthers the "Will of the People"
— Ace

And he got the three "liberals" to agree with him on this proposition.

[W]hy have the court's "liberals" adopted a hostile attitude toward political speech, which has long been understood as being at the core of First Amendment protection? In his McCutcheon dissent, Justice Stephen Breyer elaborates the theory behind this odd development.

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In making the case for the constitutionality of restrictions on campaign contributions, Breyer advances an instrumental view of the First Amendment. He quotes Justice Louis Brandeis, who in 1927 "wrote that the First Amendment's protection of speech was 'essential to effective democracy,' " and Brandeis's contemporary Chief Justice Charles Evans Hughes, who in 1931 argued that " 'a fundamental principle of our constitutional system' is the 'maintenance of the opportunity for free political discussion to the end that government may be responsive to the will of the people" (emphasis Breyer's).

You'll see here that Breyer does not accept that free expression is a natural right. Instead, he recognizes it as a right (or perhaps a "right") only insomuch as it furthers the end of what he would characterize as a properly-functioning government.

This is important. Free-speech liberals crusade to push an absolutist position, in which the government does not get to weigh in on the social or political usefulness of one's speech, because they do not trust the government (a highly interested party) to make such decisions, and further, because the right to speak and believe as one wishes is a natural right, descended from God, not permitted to a man by a benevolent government (so long as he uses that right "properly").

Breyer subscribes to the notion that this is a collective right (or "right"), and is only a true right to the extent it furthers the ends of the collective.

Thus making Free Expression subject to a vote of the majority of the collective -- which makes it not a right at all.


After citing Jean-Jacques Rousseau's (!) views on the shortcomings of representative democracy, Breyer quotes James Wilson, one of the Founding Fathers, who argued in a 1792 commentary that the First Amendment's purpose was to establish a "chain of communication between the people, and those, to whom they have committed the exercise of the powers of government." Again quoting Wilson, Breyer elaborates: "This 'chain' would establish the necessary 'communion of interests and sympathy of sentiments' between the people and their representatives, so that public opinion could be channeled into effective governmental action."

And here's how Breyer sums it all up: "Accordingly, the First Amendment advances not only the individual's right to engage in political speech, but also the public's interest in preserving a democratic order in which collective speech matters."

The emphasis on "matters" is again Breyer's. We'd have italicized "collective" as the key concept. As with the Second Amendment, he and the other dissenters assert a "collective" right, the establishment of which is purportedly the Constitution's ultimate purpose, as a justification for curtailing an individual right.

Dave Bernstein at the Volokh Conspiracy calls Breyer's position not just wrong, but absolutely "dangerous," noting that there are now four votes on the Supreme Court for the proposition that speech is now a sort of public good held in a collective trust, to be limited or banned whenever the majority feels that the speech in question might not be being used in furtherance of the proper ends.

Bernstein traces Breyer's dangerous claims to the Progressives of the early twentieth century, who were in fact hard-core collectivists (approving of fascism -- my words, not his) and who were always skeptical of this "right to free speech," worrying that people could be misled by false speech, and so needed to be protected from such, if their glorious plans were ever to come to fruition.

The Progressives long attacked liberals for fetishizing speech rights -- aren't speech rights merely a means to the end of enlightened progressive governance? -- and only bought into the liberal view when it served their interests, when Wilson began jailing Reds and so forth.

And for many years, Progressives sort of pretended to be in favor of free speech, not out of any conviction, but probably more due to just not wanting to be too obvious about reversing their position on free speech the moment they no longer had fear of the state, but instead now wished to use the power of the state to shut down those engaging in Wrongful Speech.*

But the masks are now all coming off now.

It's a dark day for freedom. Brendan Eich has stepped down from his brief tenure as Mozilla's CEO -- you see, Mozilla didn't realize how upsetting Eich's previous use of his right to free speech would upset the "Mozilla community," so the Community has decided to punish him for this expression of his beliefs, by taking away his job.

Oh, they claim this decision was Eich's. Sure. Whatever.


The important thing to remember is that "The Community" gets to decide if your speech is helpful to "The Community's" political goals. If it is helpful, then you have the right to free speech.

If not, not.


* I've mentioned previously that there's a new book on the history of "progressivism" that discusses the Progressive-Liberal split, then the Progressive-Liberal tactical alliance.

I'm not sure how many actual "liberals" there are now on what is increasingly-erroneous called "the liberal left." Most seem to have adopted the Progressives' view that to permit an opponent to speak freely is a sign of weakness and cowardice.

After all, if you are strong in your convictions, you won't let some girly adherence to procedure and civil rights impeded you in your quest.

Interesting Thought: From "NotCoach."

Honestly I think this is a new way to attack the 2nd Amendment, and Taranto points it out. If we redefine the 1st as a collective right it is only a short step to redefine all enumerated rights as collective.

Indeed, but you know what? I think they're sufficiently hostile to the First Amendment to wish to make it a "collective" right, even without the additional inducement of providing a backdoor manner of making the Second Amendment a "collective" right, too.

Posted by: Ace at 11:40 AM | Comments (518)
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1 See. This is the shit that really makes me depressed...

Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at April 03, 2014 11:41 AM (9+ccr)

2 And this is why the Presidency was always so important; To get lunatics like this out of the system.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 03, 2014 11:42 AM (bb5+k)

3 It takes a JD to raise an idiot.

Posted by: General Zod at April 03, 2014 11:42 AM (2+bRt)

4 Dave Bernstein's take on this was excellent. Just read it a bit earlier.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry - Now using Opera Browser at April 03, 2014 11:43 AM (Z7PrM)

5 This dissent hit me right in the feels. We're totes fucked. Totes. Fucked. - Just practicing my soon-to-be required free speech.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at April 03, 2014 11:43 AM (4CVLy)

6 It is hard to overemphasize the stupidity of the mob. God help us when the liberals get a majority on the SC.... All WILL be lost at that point.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 03, 2014 11:44 AM (32Ze2)

7 Free speech for me not for thee....

Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at April 03, 2014 11:44 AM (9+ccr)

8 Most people say that would go back in time to kill Hitler. If I had a time machine, I'd kill Rousseau.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 03, 2014 11:44 AM (ZPrif)

9 Fucking Clinton Apointee. Yeah, who coulda seen that coming? Thanks George HW Bush. Thanks a lot.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 03, 2014 11:44 AM (bb5+k)

10 Stop the pussyfooting & start the dance.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 03, 2014 11:44 AM (h1D+w)

11 >>If I had a time machine, I'd kill Rousseau<< Take a number; Derbyshire said the same thing earlier today.

Posted by: General Zod at April 03, 2014 11:45 AM (2+bRt)

12 I think I get enough of the collective here on board to pass a resolution that Breyer is an idiot.

Posted by: marc in calgary at April 03, 2014 11:45 AM (iQspV)

13
Fuckitall....

The collective.??

Just call it The Hive..... or The Borg.

Whatever.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 03, 2014 11:46 AM (nELVU)

14 Honestly I think this is a new way to attack the 2nd Amendment, and Taranto points it out. If we redefine the 1st as a collective right it is only a short step to redefine all enumerated rights as collective.

Posted by: NotCoach at April 03, 2014 11:46 AM (rsudF)

15 Komrades, you are free... to serve the State! And if you don't, you're a Kulak, or a Ukranian, or middle class, or a dangerous intellectual, or a climate denier, or... well, we'll come up with something.

Posted by: Your Lords And Masters[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at April 03, 2014 11:46 AM (qyfb5)

16 Surely there's some ritual in the Golden Bough where a person of authority who talked bullshit got his medieval mouth stuffed with ears or something until he suffocated.

Posted by: General Zod at April 03, 2014 11:47 AM (2+bRt)

17 Scarier and scarier.

Posted by: Janetoo at April 03, 2014 11:47 AM (L3Itw)

18 History isn't over, I'm afraid.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 03, 2014 11:47 AM (8ZskC)

19 Resistance is foreplay.

Posted by: General Zod at April 03, 2014 11:47 AM (2+bRt)

20 14 Honestly I think this is a new way to attack the 2nd Amendment, and Taranto points it out. If we redefine the 1st as a collective right it is only a short step to redefine all enumerated rights as collective. Posted by: NotCoach at April 03, 2014 03:46 PM (rsudF) I'm thinking at some point we need to stop pretending we have a country. People who think like this are foreign enemies, as far as i'm concerned.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 03, 2014 11:47 AM (bb5+k)

21 I guess we can expect the left, including Big Anus, to demand Obama's resignation any day now.

Any day now.

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 03, 2014 11:47 AM (P1WNR)

22 Another word for community is "volksgemeinschaft." Sounds much better in the original German, nein?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 03, 2014 11:47 AM (CMkNk)

23

Free speech is highly over rated and really is only for elites.

 

IOW, screw you, peons.

Posted by: Gmac at April 03, 2014 11:48 AM (4pjhs)

24 Shit, they should just start wearing the brown coloured shirts and get it over with.


Posted by: EC at April 03, 2014 11:48 AM (GQ8sn)

25
Justice Breyer was confirmed by the U.S. Senate in an 87 to 9 vote

You're welcome

Posted by: The Senate Republicans

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 03, 2014 11:48 AM (kdS6q)

26 One more reason for a constitutional amendment for term limits on SCOTUS justices, if not all justices.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 03, 2014 11:48 AM (CMkNk)

27 If we redefine the 1st as a collective right it is only a short step to redefine all enumerated rights as collective. Posted by: NotCoach at April 03, 2014 03:46 PM (rsudF) fnord (rsudF) Except they've been doing that with the 2nd since the 19th or early 20th Century. None of this is new. Also, a SC Justice quoting Rousseau... one wonder if he's already quoted Marx, Engels, and Mao somewhere else and we just don't know it.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at April 03, 2014 11:48 AM (qyfb5)

28 The camps are no longer in the distant future comrade, but rest assured they are in your future!

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 03, 2014 11:48 AM (o3MSL)

29 Honestly I think this is a new way to attack the 2nd Amendment, and Taranto points it out. If we redefine the 1st as a collective right it is only a short step to redefine all enumerated rights as collective.

Posted by: NotCoach at April 03, 2014 03:46 PM (rsudF)


Except they just settled that a few years ago with Heller.  The 2A is an individual right.

Posted by: EC at April 03, 2014 11:48 AM (GQ8sn)

30 Perhaps taken separately, these two developments could be dismissed as aberrations. But when viewed together and against a backdrop of the continued devolution of our political and social cultures? We're fucked.

Posted by: Fred at April 03, 2014 11:48 AM (/mQMC)

31 We the People, not We the Collective. This country, and our Bill of Rights was founded on Individual Freedom, not centralized benevolence. Our rights come from God, not a fucking collective.

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at April 03, 2014 11:48 AM (9Bdcz)

32 Breyer could have penned a dissent that said, "Chief Justice Roberts's opinion is a big stinkburger because the American people don't have the right to jack shit ahahahahaha" and the three "liberal" bints would have gone along with it.

Posted by: DangerGirl at April 03, 2014 11:49 AM (GrtrJ)

33 This "winner takes all" timebomb they are building....I'm glad the left thinks it will never get away from them.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 03, 2014 11:49 AM (TE35l)

34 This isn't frightening at all. There is no collective liberty, salvation, or rights. All are about the individual. Separating people into groups and deciding which have privileges and which are disfavored. Hmmm. How does this end again?

Posted by: @koenigjojo at April 03, 2014 11:49 AM (2wawf)

35 The camps are no longer in the distant future comrade, but rest assured they are in your future! I'll never make the camps.....

Posted by: rickb223 at April 03, 2014 11:49 AM (h1D+w)

36 What about all these unions that use membership dues against the members wishes to further donk campaigns? Shit, I remember SIEU giving money to one of he Kennedy's environmental organizations. No one asked if the members wanted it and it certainly did not promote any union goal. It was just another way to funnel money to the left.

Posted by: Fistin Pug at April 03, 2014 11:50 AM (vFh9Q)

37 EXCLUSIVE FOOTAGE of Stephen Breyer reading his dissent: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4cJeru3h78

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 03, 2014 11:50 AM (CMkNk)

38 Ace the left will destroy anything they have to to disarm the populace.

They have plans for us Americans and the planned changes to us are so great they feel the need to have us supine.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 03, 2014 11:50 AM (TE35l)

39 I am deleting all Mozilla products from all of my computers. And, I just sent Mozilla feedback this comment: I just wanted to let you know this is the last day I will ever be using any of Mozilla's products. I cannot in good conscience use a product produced by employees of a company with such a disregard for free speech. I don't use Twitter, but it would be nice to see something like this go viral on all social media.. but it won't because.. teh gays..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry - Now using Opera Browser at April 03, 2014 11:51 AM (Z7PrM)

40 The fact that Eich was in lockstep with Obama on gay marriage at the time is what really points out that this has nothing to do with marriage. It's about accruing and exercising power over others, that's it. From the cake baker to Mozilla to whoever comes next, there always has to be a next, it's malevolent harassment at best, straight up Religious persecution at worst.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 03, 2014 11:51 AM (ZshNr)

41
They just settled that a few years ago with Heller. The 2A is an individual right.
Posted by: EC



About that whole "settled" thing....

Posted by: The Death Penalty

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 03, 2014 11:51 AM (kdS6q)

42 and is only a true right to the extent it furthers the ends of the collective.

Just ask the Reichsministerium für Volksaufklärung.

I'm noticing a theme today.

Posted by: HR at April 03, 2014 11:51 AM (ZKzrr)

43 "And here's how Breyer sums it all up: 'Accordingly, the First Amendment advances not only the individual's right to engage in political speech, but also the public's interest in preserving a democratic order in which collective speech matters.'"

This is interesting.

Because several different legal theorists of years past had advanced precisely that argument: that the First Amendment is meant to shelter the right to engage in explicitly POLITICAL speech. And nothing else.

Not to shelter, say, pornography.

Every single time this argument has been put forth, the left have gone shrieking hysterically up the wall and done a fingernail hang, babbling from up on their perches about "the road to fascism" and government censorship.

Yet now? Here we have the left dusting off the very same line of argument they previously abhorred, at a time when it tactically suits their purposes to do so.

Fen's Law. Your all purpose guide.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 03, 2014 11:51 AM (noWW6)

44 "Except they've been doing that with the 2nd since the 19th or early 20th Century. None of this is new. Also, a SC Justice quoting Rousseau... one wonder if he's already quoted Marx, Engels, and Mao somewhere else and we just don't know it. Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 03, 2014 03:48 PM (qyfb5)" It's not new, but there was a major logical disconnect between the 2nd Amendment and the rest of our enumerated rights. And with Heller now in the bank, and citizens reasserting their 2nd Amendment rights in a major way over the last 30 years, why not call everything a collective right in order to line it up all logically? They are losing the 2nd Amendment debate, so it's time to change the playing field.

Posted by: NotCoach at April 03, 2014 11:51 AM (rsudF)

45 Another word for community is "volksgemeinschaft." Sounds much better in the original German, nein? Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 03, 2014 03:47 PM (CMkNk) __________________ Jawohl mein Herr

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 03, 2014 11:51 AM (32Ze2)

46 If a gay man wants to walk around San Francisco wearing a  leather harness and a cock   ring and nothing else    that's fine, because   FREE SPEECH!


But if a person gave    $1000      eight years ago    in support of a state law that    defines marriage as being between a man and a woman,   HE MUST BE    SHUNNED   AND CAST OUT, FOR HE IS THE PROFANE UNBELIEVER.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit (or Beth for short) [/u][/i][/s][/b] at April 03, 2014 11:52 AM (4df7R)

47 Umbrellas and presumptions. It's becoming plain that SCOTUS is "interpreting" our rights away.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 03, 2014 11:52 AM (0HooB)

48 The collective good? Collective good? Now where have I heard something like that in the past comrade?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 03, 2014 11:52 AM (t3UFN)

49 They just settled that a few years ago with Heller. The 2A is an individual right. Posted by: EC About that whole "settled" thing.... Posted by: The Death Penalty Yeah. Posted by: Prohibition

Posted by: rickb223 at April 03, 2014 11:52 AM (h1D+w)

50 So mark them in favor of the Alien and Sedition acts then?

Posted by: Lauren at April 03, 2014 11:52 AM (hFL/3)

51 Posted by: sven10077 at April 03, 2014 03:50 PM (TE35l) Somehow, I don't think their concept of "promote the general welfare" is aligned with my concept of it.

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 03, 2014 11:53 AM (o3MSL)

52
About that whole "settled" thing....

Posted by: The Death Penalty

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 03, 2014 03:51 PM (kdS6q)



How soon are they going to "revisit" that one again?

Posted by: EC at April 03, 2014 11:53 AM (GQ8sn)

53 Evil fuckers.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at April 03, 2014 11:53 AM (AWmfW)

54

So how many times has the American Republic died?  In the last week, that is.

 

 

 

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Days of Rage Sale at the Outrage Outlet! at April 03, 2014 11:53 AM (hLRSq)

55 This may the most dangerous thought we read today, but there is a hand-in-glove stupid thought that goes right along with it: national wealth is fixed in amount and any improvement in the pie for one group can only be to the detriment of another. Therefore, we must defend the collective good by restraining the individual in all ways and seizing wealth for redistribution. Didn't this shit go down the sewer grate back when Soviet Russia fell apart?

Posted by: MTF at April 03, 2014 11:53 AM (LISuA)

56 Breyer ha? Hey I think we should take Souter'w house in New Hampshire for the "collective good"?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 03, 2014 11:53 AM (t3UFN)

57 Damnit, and I love Firefox... aggh, stupid tech employees, just do your fucking jobs!

Posted by: [/i]KG at April 03, 2014 11:53 AM (p7BzH)

58 "Yet now? Here we have the left dusting off the very same line of argument they previously abhorred, at a time when it tactically suits their purposes to do so. Fen's Law. Your all purpose guide. Posted by: torquewrench at April 03, 2014 03:51 PM (noWW6)" I agree that the original intent of the 1st Amendment was primarily to protect political speech, but it was not meant as a collective right. You are misreading Breyer's intent here.

Posted by: NotCoach at April 03, 2014 11:53 AM (rsudF)

59 "The will of the people" only has meaning when someone tells you   which    people's will you're talking    about.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit (or Beth for short) [/u][/i][/s][/b] at April 03, 2014 11:53 AM (4df7R)

60 Start learning to sew. Yellow colored cloth stars will be handed out soonÂ…

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 03, 2014 11:54 AM (CMkNk)

61 51 Hrothgar at April 03, 2014 03:53 PM (o3MSL)

Quite it is why they will never recant on AGW see in order to destroy the world they need a species destroying threat for justification.....

the Killing Fields are in this group's Amazon wishlist

Posted by: sven10077 at April 03, 2014 11:54 AM (TE35l)

62 Hard to believe now but I once believed that the Donks and I had the same goals but disagreed only on tactics.

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 03, 2014 11:54 AM (ckHsZ)

63 collectively, they're idiots.

and fascists.

not to mention the reason why we have the 2nd Amendment & why these scum wanted to restrict that too.

time's a coming.

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 03, 2014 11:54 AM (q+fqH)

64 Except they just settled that a few years ago with Heller. The 2A is an individual right.

====

Nothing is ever "settled" with the left. Unless it's a result they want. And they are patient.


Posted by: Hollowhead at April 03, 2014 11:55 AM (YmPwQ)

65 >>>a Collective Right to be Permitted Only to the Extent It Furthers the "Will of the People" Basically anything the majority doesn't support isn't protected, or in other words no right at all. That is ice cold scary. Thats' the stuff of 1984. Freedom is Slavery. Where a "right" is only a power of the collective and insomuch enshrines the power of the collective to suppress the individual.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at April 03, 2014 11:55 AM (0q2P7)

66

Its their same theory which they based the stupid ,  now defunct  'Fairness Doctrine' .

 

 

Posted by: polynikes at April 03, 2014 11:55 AM (m2CN7)

67 Why the pessimism? What have those boners done to suggest that they are capable of carrying out such measures? Isn't the core point of the amnesty drive that "You CAN'T, you just CAN'T arrest 11 million people!"? You think they can contain 300 million? It would be nice and better if the US government would stop pushing tyranny. If it won't, we can dispense with it.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at April 03, 2014 11:55 AM (5xmd7)

68 Oh, and this messing around with the rights enumerated in the Bill of Rights is probably why there were those at the time of the ratification that warned against writing down people's civil rights. They feared that people would think these were the only ones or that they would be misinterpreted later as grants from the state. Looks like those guys were right.

Posted by: Fred at April 03, 2014 11:55 AM (/mQMC)

69 the will of what people? your peeps or my peeps?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 03, 2014 11:55 AM (t3UFN)

70 Start learning to sew. Yellow colored cloth stars will be handed out soon Never. Again.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 03, 2014 11:55 AM (h1D+w)

71 Amazing how seemingly good news is actually quite frightening in its implications when you scratch the surface.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 03, 2014 11:55 AM (CMkNk)

72 Freedom of Speech is a very peculiar American idea. Most of the world does not support it. Not even our fellow Anglo societies. Not a surprise the Left is trying to destroy it here.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 03, 2014 11:55 AM (ZPrif)

73 66 Its their same theory which they based the stupid, now defunct 'Fairness Doctrine' .

Posted by: polynikes at April 03, 2014 03:55 PM (m2CN7)



"defunct" is just another way of saying "settled."   And we all know    that   nothing is ever "settled" where the left is concerned.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit (or Beth for short) [/u][/i][/s][/b] at April 03, 2014 11:56 AM (4df7R)

74 Very interesting. Sounds like something else I once witnessed. Keep your eyes on the ball mates:

USSR's Politburo, aka - Party (TM)

People and Party are ONE.
Party represents People's Voice
You are against the Party
You an enemy of the People


Posted by: Comrade J at April 03, 2014 11:56 AM (6kkPP)

75 The Left has always (well, since there's been an American Left) interpreted the 2nd Amendment as a collective right. Now they want to do the same for the 1st when, for a long time, it was the individual leftist's right to speak truth to power that they championed. I don't see this so much as hypocrisy as the Left's insincerity when promoting "rights". When the Left is in power, free speech gets in the way of their agendy, so it becomes a bad thing. Voting rights are good until leftists get into power, then voter suppression becomes the norm. Revolution comes from the barrel of a gun, but after the revolution the counter-revolutionaries must be disarmed. The bottom line: The Left wins, everybody else up against the wall. All the rest is tactics and spin.

Posted by: Socratease at April 03, 2014 11:56 AM (82qVG)

76 Quoting Rousseau should be grounds for impeachment.

Posted by: Angel with a sword at April 03, 2014 11:56 AM (hpgw1)

77 I'm so old I can remember when the First Amendment protected unpopular speech. Good times.

Posted by: real joe at April 03, 2014 11:56 AM (lExwh)

78 Wherever did we get this reputation?

Posted by: Gay-stop-o at April 03, 2014 11:56 AM (RGgMp)

79 Isn't the core point of the amnesty drive that "You CAN'T, you just CAN'T arrest 11 million people!"?

They don't believe that.  They want you to believe that.

Posted by: HR at April 03, 2014 11:56 AM (ZKzrr)

80 The collective good of some people would be greatly improved by a good beating

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 03, 2014 11:56 AM (t3UFN)

81 62 WalrusRex at April 03, 2014 03:54 PM (ckHsZ)

They are and have always been authoritarians at heart.

They have existed in melodramatic good versus evil rhetoric here at home for at least 140 years.

If you wrap your desires in fevered defense against unholy evil from everything from Yoga Pants to the weather sooner or later you want to kill the non-believer.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 03, 2014 11:56 AM (TE35l)

82 My rights are inalienable.

Fuck you, Breyer.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at April 03, 2014 11:56 AM (wtvvX)

83 How soon are they going to "revisit" that one again?

Posted by: EC at April 03, 2014 03:53 PM (GQ8sn)


This is the Left we are talking about EC... there's simply no telling. In so many areas they are bolder and bolder...

Posted by: [/i]KG at April 03, 2014 11:57 AM (p7BzH)

84 Start learning to sew. Yellow colored cloth stars will be handed out soon Never. Again. Posted by: rickb223 at April 03, 2014 03:55 PM (h1D+w) ___________________ My Father in Law always said it would happen again, and I am beginning to think he was right. I am just happy he is no longer here to have to live through it again.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 03, 2014 11:57 AM (32Ze2)

85 80 The collective good of some people would be greatly improved by a good beating Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 03, 2014 03:56 PM (t3UFN) I prefer dunking in a dirty mikvah but "jedem das seine" as we say in old Oswieciem.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 03, 2014 11:57 AM (CMkNk)

86 Isn't the core point of the amnesty drive that "You CAN'T, you just CAN'T arrest 11 million people!"? You think they can contain 300 million?

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at April 03, 2014 03:55 PM (5xmd7)

Yes we can!

Posted by: Joseph Stalin at April 03, 2014 11:57 AM (AWmfW)

87 Inner city taxes and murderous violence on a scale unknown in American history has destroyed the middle class in Chicago. But you know what? CBS (!) says the problem is that the "rich got richer". http://cbsloc.al/1h99kfH Dumb people with no interest in freedom finally get what they deserve: tyranny. Where exactly is this Peruvia place?

Posted by: MTF at April 03, 2014 11:57 AM (0Pvno)

88 "Except they just settled that a few years ago with Heller. The 2A is an individual right. Posted by: EC at April 03, 2014 03:48 PM (GQ8sn)" And so is freedom of speech, yet we have this opinion by Breyer. Make the 1st a collective right, and the argument becomes all enumerated rights are collective.

Posted by: NotCoach at April 03, 2014 11:57 AM (rsudF)

89 The Left is already enacting hard-core anti-Free Speech policies. Obviously the modern campus is a hive of speech control rules and regulations -- mostly under Hate Speech and Diversity guidelines. But the internet and the modern panopticon mean everything you ever said is out there. And the Left believes in crucifying anyone they can that says anything they don't like So, the Left doesn't have to use the government to impose speech controls to ruin your life -- they can just make you unemployable.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 03, 2014 11:58 AM (ZPrif)

90 Bush Sr really fucked us with Breyer.

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 03, 2014 11:58 AM (P1WNR)

91 62 The are the enemy, including most of the rank and file. And that last bit is the only thing that really has changed over the last 3 decades or so.

Posted by: WVinMN at April 03, 2014 11:58 AM (4Pleu)

92 and these modern nazis don't even have cool uniforms.

Posted by: azjaeger at April 03, 2014 11:58 AM (Wmqc5)

93 The best thing about the Second Amendment?

It protects the others.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at April 03, 2014 11:58 AM (wtvvX)

94 84 My Father in Law always said it would happen again, and I am beginning to think he was right. I am just happy he is no longer here to have to live through it again. Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 03, 2014 03:57 PM (32Ze2) Momma Sefton and family miraculously survived Mauthausen, Auschwitz and the labor brigades. She warned me about times like these.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 03, 2014 11:58 AM (CMkNk)

95
Go long on Real Estate in Texas..... Now.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 03, 2014 11:59 AM (nELVU)

96
"The Death Penalty"

How soon are they going to "revisit" that one again?
Posted by: EC




As soon as Jeb's first Supreme Court nominee gets confirmed.

Big tent!

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 03, 2014 11:59 AM (kdS6q)

97 >>>Indeed, but you know what? I think they're sufficiently hostile to the First Amendment to wish to make it a "collective" right, even without the additional inducement of providing a backdoor manner of making the Second Amendment a "collective" right, too. You're certainly right that they are hostile to the first on its own merits without it being a back door attack on the second. But it boils down to the same reasons. Power and control. The ability to speak out against their bullshit can be just as threatening to their grasp on power that people opposed to them being armed can be.

Posted by: Buzzion at April 03, 2014 11:59 AM (3mILo)

98 Resistance is futile! You will be.....assimilated

Posted by: LFW - Honorary Pointy-Eared Vulcan at April 03, 2014 11:59 AM (CGjum)

99 92 and these modern nazis don't even have cool uniforms.

Posted by: azjaeger at April 03, 2014 03:58 PM (Wmqc5)



Footie pajamas.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit (or Beth for short) [/u][/i][/s][/b] at April 03, 2014 11:59 AM (4df7R)

100 You can't spell "Progressive" without "SS."

Posted by: RoyalOil at April 03, 2014 11:59 AM (VjL9S)

101 The structure of our Constitutional Republic was created specifically to obstruct a 'Tyranny of the Majority' that Justice Breyer obviously wants.

Posted by: gastorgrab at April 03, 2014 11:59 AM (FX38i)

102 So what's the alternative to Mozilly, Evil Corp Chrome ?

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at April 03, 2014 12:00 PM (AWmfW)

103 Breyer's thinking is quite European where democracy rules; i.e., the majority rules.

Posted by: soothsayer at April 03, 2014 12:00 PM (gh7eZ)

104 The Left doesn't believe in inalienable rights. That idea really doesn't make sense without a belief in some sort of divine power bestowing them. If you are a materialist then at best you can say, well, we should pretend that people have inalienable rights. They don't, of course, but society will be better off if we pretend they do.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 03, 2014 12:00 PM (ZPrif)

105 Bush Sr really fucked us with Breyer. Posted by: Dr Spank at April 03, 2014 03:58 PM (P1WNR) yeah well only kinda since breyer is clintons. Souter is Bush's

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 03, 2014 12:00 PM (t3UFN)

106 Posted by: Tex Lovera at April 03, 2014 03:58 PM (wtvvX) A Second Amendment Sir, if you can keep it!

Posted by: B Franklin at April 03, 2014 12:00 PM (o3MSL)

107 92 and these modern nazis don't even have cool uniforms. Posted by: azjaeger at April 03, 2014 03:58 PM (Wmqc5) The leftist ideal is a cross between Ethan Krupp, SCOAMF and Lena Dunham. I am not going to go willingly and cheerfully into a noose of their making. No.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 03, 2014 12:00 PM (CMkNk)

108 102 So what's the alternative to Mozilly, Evil Corp Chrome ?

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at April 03, 2014 04:00 PM (AWmfW)/i]



Some were recommending Opera on the other  thread.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit (or Beth for short) [/u][/i][/s][/b] at April 03, 2014 12:00 PM (4df7R)

109 101 gastorgrab at April 03, 2014 03:59 PM (FX38i)

If the "majority" of Americans are on board with the Glee Mafia I am strangely ambivalent about our pathway we're on towards absorbing a nuke.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 03, 2014 12:01 PM (TE35l)

110 I simply hate what the leftists have done and are doing to this country and to us.  I hate them.  Hate.

Posted by: DangerGirl at April 03, 2014 12:01 PM (GrtrJ)

111 Posted by: Nevergiveup


Oops, you're right.

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 03, 2014 12:01 PM (P1WNR)

112 We better hope Scalia (7 , Alito (64), Thomas (65) and/or Kennedy (77) all stay healthy for the next 3 years so Obama can't appoint any more hacks like Kagan or Sotomayor to the SCOTUS. Breyer and Ginsburg have alway been Commies (or Progressives -- a distinction without a difference IMO) but I wouldn't call them hacks -- they are intelligent beings (at least). But Kagan? It's actually embarrassing that such a dimwit as she parlayed her polical connections into becoming a SCOTUS Justice. Also the fact that I'm relying on wishy-washy Kennedy as a vote pisses me off all over again at those certain "tru-cons" who declared throughout the 2012 GE that Obama's re-election would be "better for conservatism" than Romney winning. It also makes me want to set on fire every "libertarian" out there who claimed there was no difference between the two (Jackass @ Reason with the dyed black hair, I'm looking at you).

Posted by: Dancing Queen at April 03, 2014 12:01 PM (6B4ha)

113 "Bush Sr really fucked us with Breyer."

That was Souter.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 03, 2014 12:01 PM (noWW6)

114 I recently read that "The Community" of NORK-topia is going to execute a few hundred more of the collective and put their families in prison camps. Someday we can look forward to that kind of freedom.

Posted by: Roy at April 03, 2014 12:02 PM (VndSC)

115 90 Bush Sr really fucked us with Breyer.

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 03, 2014 03:58 PM (P1WNR)

You just cant trust the bushes.

Posted by: Justass Roberts at April 03, 2014 12:02 PM (AWmfW)

116 What in the holy fucking shit am I reading???

Posted by: Bcochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 03, 2014 12:02 PM (GEICT)

117 These same four traitors will gut the Right to Religion, Right of Association and the Right of the Press in order to force us backward unpeople to call a couple of fags shacking up a "marriage."

Posted by: RoyalOil at April 03, 2014 12:02 PM (VjL9S)

118 57 Damnit, and I love Firefox... aggh, stupid tech employees, just do your fucking jobs! Posted by: KG at April 03, 2014 03:53 PM (p7BzH) Yeah, I like it too. Don't know what I'll move to. Shit.

Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at April 03, 2014 12:02 PM (bCEmE)

119 The best question to pose is, what words should the First Amendment have been written with in order to convince Breyer that it was intended to be an individual right?  Should they have added, "and we really mean it" after "shall make no law"?

Posted by: No Habla Inglés at April 03, 2014 12:02 PM (ecmD4)

120 How did Souter vote?

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 03, 2014 12:02 PM (P1WNR)

121 ~ sniff, sniff ~ Hmmm, smells a bit like frog soup. Oh well, back to my nap. _

Posted by: The Frog in the Pot at April 03, 2014 12:02 PM (4CVLy)

122 Ace, the second amendment is the key to the whole thing. That is the thing the Progressives have to get rid of; they realize they can't bully an armed populace - they might shoot back.

Making the first a collective 'right' is only useful if they can use it to get rid of the second. The second amendment is the spine of the Constitution, and the Progs know it.

Posted by: [/i] [/s] [/u] [/b] An Observation at April 03, 2014 12:02 PM (ylhEn)

123 This might be the right hill

Posted by: John McCain at April 03, 2014 12:02 PM (LISuA)

124 We really are living in 1930s Germany.

Posted by: Citizen X at April 03, 2014 12:02 PM (7ObY1)

125 Isn't the core point of the amnesty drive that "You CAN'T, you just CAN'T arrest 11 million people!"? Whatever happened to "Yes we can"?

Posted by: Insomniac at April 03, 2014 12:02 PM (mx5oN)

126 Yeah, without the Breyer enfuckening we'd have a solid 6-3 majority and not have to worry so much about the fact that Scalia seems not have used any of his genius mind to do research on the health risks of obesity.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 03, 2014 12:03 PM (ZPrif)

127 Momma Sefton and family miraculously survived Mauthausen, Auschwitz and the labor brigades. She warned me about times like these. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 03, 2014 03:58 PM (CMkNk) ________________ I know. FiL spent the Bulk of his 5 years in Auschwitz but he was liberated from Buchenwald... by the Americans (Thank G-d).

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 03, 2014 12:03 PM (32Ze2)

128 What in the holy fucking shit am I reading???

Posted by: Bcochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 03, 2014 04:02 PM (GEICT)


----


Our.Future.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 03, 2014 12:03 PM (nELVU)

129 oh, right. nevermind

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 03, 2014 12:03 PM (ZPrif)

130 What in the holy fucking shit am I reading???

Posted by: Bcochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 03, 2014 04:02 PM (GEICT)



DOOM.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit (or Beth for short) [/u][/i][/s][/b] at April 03, 2014 12:03 PM (4df7R)

131

What's forgotten in this thread is that five justices believe  that the 1st Amendment is a  divine right insofar as this particular case is concerned. 

 

Kudos to those five justices.

Posted by: Soona at April 03, 2014 12:03 PM (fZQEE)

132

I can't say it was behind the dissenting justices reasoning but the political left doesn't want unlimited financing because it will balance the field.   They depended on the Right to follow the financing rules while they covertly ignored  them. 

Posted by: polynikes at April 03, 2014 12:03 PM (m2CN7)

133 Our judicial appointees are dragged through the mud while the GOP politely votes for every radical nut job they nominate. Our side does not and will not fight. Clarence Thomas, G-d bless him with good health for many years to come, was an anomaly. And for doing what they did to him and Robert Bork, they can all go straight to Hell with the fucking Kennedy's.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 03, 2014 12:03 PM (CMkNk)

134 Can we just have the revolution and get it over with?  I'm tired of this slow circling of the drain.

Posted by: LibertarianJim at April 03, 2014 12:04 PM (CMbMd)

135 Well. Guess I'm not using Firefox anymore. So stupid. The endless politicization of everything in our lives.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 56% more DOOM! at April 03, 2014 12:04 PM (09o/X)

136 And so is freedom of speech, yet we have this opinion by Breyer. Make the 1st a collective right, and the argument becomes all enumerated rights are collective.

Posted by: NotCoach at April 03, 2014 03:57 PM (rsudF)

 

 

It isn't the majority opinion, it is the dissent.  It has no precedential value.  But if you want to have a panic attack go right ahead, it's a free country.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Days of Rage Sale at the Outrage Outlet! at April 03, 2014 12:04 PM (hLRSq)

137 The map on that Chicago link is fascinating. It looks precisely like the maps used in epidemiology which track the spread of an infection over time.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 03, 2014 12:04 PM (noWW6)

138 127 I know. FiL spent the Bulk of his 5 years in Auschwitz but he was liberated from Buchenwald... by the Americans (Thank G-d). Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 03, 2014 04:03 PM (32Ze2) 5 years?! Oh my Lord. G-d bless him.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 03, 2014 12:04 PM (CMkNk)

139 OT - Some evidence of voter fraud in North Carolina in 2012 (you know the kind that does not exist.) Press release yesterday from NC House and Senate leaders. Linked on PJMedia. Among the oddities, 87 corpses voted. Given that NC has a coast perhaps they were marine corpses.

Posted by: RioBravo at April 03, 2014 12:04 PM (8Ks4F)

140 This is what of the most frightening things I've read or seen in a long long time. And the really scary part? Virtually no one in the public will read it and most certainly won't understand it. There will be no outcry until it's too late.

Posted by: Bcochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 03, 2014 12:05 PM (GEICT)

141 Aaauuugh!1 Fuckity-fuck-fuck fuckitall.


Posted by: BuckIV at April 03, 2014 12:05 PM (CLfqv)

142

It's actually embarrassing that such a dimwit as she parlayed her polical connections into becoming a SCOTUS Justice

 

Missed it by *this* much!

Posted by: Harriet Miers at April 03, 2014 12:05 PM (JtwS4)

143 Someone mentioned up thread that they won't make it to the camps. I'm guessing most won't...and that is the only thing keeping the barbarians at the gate.

Posted by: Blue State Hostage at April 03, 2014 12:05 PM (FgCn/)

144 I know. FiL spent the Bulk of his 5 years in Auschwitz but he was liberated from Buchenwald... by the Americans (Thank G-d).

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 03, 2014 04:03 PM (32Ze2)

 

Uh I believe the American's liberated Auschwitz. 

Posted by: Barack Obama- are you smarter than a fifth grader at April 03, 2014 12:05 PM (m2CN7)

145 134 Can we just have the revolution and get it over with? I'm tired of this slow circling of the drain. Posted by: LibertarianJim at April 03, 2014 04:04 PM (CMbMd) I'm all in favor. We just need something to touch it off and a way to rally the millions. Keep me posted. I'm behind enema lines.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 03, 2014 12:05 PM (CMkNk)

146 124 We really are living in 1930s Germany.

Posted by: Citizen X at April 03, 2014 04:02 PM (7ObY1)

You mean Adolf ? More like Faildolf if you ask me.


Posted by: Joseph Stalin at April 03, 2014 12:06 PM (AWmfW)

147 The next time Bryer runs his mouth outside the court building, he should be arrested for speech not in furtherance of the will of the people.

Posted by: Riding shotgun for the Texas Rangers at April 03, 2014 12:06 PM (1mtKP)

148 The map on that Chicago link is fascinating. It looks precisely like the maps used in epidemiology which track the spread of an infection over time. Posted by: torquewrench at April 03, 2014 04:04 PM (noWW6) __________________ Contagion..... Like the Ebola Virus.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 03, 2014 12:06 PM (32Ze2)

149 The best question to pose is, what words should the First Amendment have been written with in order to convince Breyer that it was intended to be an individual right? Should they have added, "and we really mean it" after "shall make no law"?

Posted by: No Habla Inglés at April 03, 2014 04:02 PM (ecmD4)

 

 

-------------------------------------------

 

 

They should have added, "seriously, you guys".

Posted by: Soona at April 03, 2014 12:06 PM (fZQEE)

150 #9    As stated above, Stephen Breyer was appointed to the Supreme Court by Hillary Clinton's husband in 1994.

Posted by: mrp at April 03, 2014 12:06 PM (JBggj)

151

This is not new thinking. Rousseau proposed these ideas a long time ago. Look at section 7 "The Sovereign" in the Social Contract:

http://www.constitution.org/jjr/socon_01.htm

This is the philosophy that inspired the French Revolution. How did that turn out?

I wonder if Breyer even knows that he is parroting Rousseau.

Posted by: dan-O at April 03, 2014 12:06 PM (D0bIN)

152 45 Another word for community is "volksgemeinschaft." Help me out here because I don't know German. I have some albums by the German 70s band Popol Vuh, and they used the word "gemeinschaft" a lot in their song titles. I read somewhere that it translates as "community." Is that correct, and does volgemeinschaft mean the same thing? I really love their music, deeply religious and moving stuff. But I like to know the song titles in English, because I'm a music nerd.

Posted by: Citizen X at April 03, 2014 12:06 PM (7ObY1)

153 120 How did Souter vote? Posted by: Dr Spank at April 03, 2014 04:02 PM (P1WNR) He must have voted with the majority since it was 5-4.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 03, 2014 12:06 PM (CMkNk)

154 Damn, Souter is retired, Sotomayor replaced him.

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 03, 2014 12:07 PM (P1WNR)

155 How did Souter vote?

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 03, 2014 04:02 PM (P1WNR)

 

Souter isn't on the Supreme Court.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Days of Rage Sale at the Outrage Outlet! at April 03, 2014 12:07 PM (hLRSq)

156 Among the oddities, 87 corpses voted.

Oddities?  That's best practices.

Posted by: Chicago at April 03, 2014 12:07 PM (ZKzrr)

157 153 120 How did Souter vote? Posted by: Dr Spank at April 03, 2014 04:02 PM (P1WNR) He must have voted with the majority since it was 5-4. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 03, 2014 04:06 PM (CMkNk) Wait, Souter is retired???

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 03, 2014 12:07 PM (CMkNk)

158 1 - Let it burn to the foundation (the constitution)
2 - Sweep up the ashes and burn them again
3 - Start over and make it a death penalty crime to interpret any of the Bill of Rights.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 03, 2014 12:07 PM (BZAd3)

159 34 This isn't frightening at all. There is no collective liberty, salvation, or rights. All are about the individual. Separating people into groups and deciding which have privileges and which are disfavored. Hmmm. How does this end again? Posted by: @koenigjojo at April 03, 2014 03:49 PM (2wawf) He who now talks about the "freedom of the press" goes backward, and halts our headlong course towards Socialism. -- Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 03, 2014 12:07 PM (bb5+k)

160 Damn, Souter is retired, Sotomayor replaced him.

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 03, 2014 04:07 PM (P1WNR)


Souter's been retired for   a while now.   And *SPIT!* on him.   The bastard own(ed) a house in my hometown.  

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit (or Beth for short) [/u][/i][/s][/b] at April 03, 2014 12:07 PM (4df7R)

161 Momma Sefton and family miraculously survived Mauthausen, Auschwitz and the labor brigades. She warned me about times like these. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 03, 2014 03:58 PM (CMkNk) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQlImg2bm28 Momma always know

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 03, 2014 12:07 PM (t3UFN)

162 120 How did Souter vote? Depends on the time of day and where he is in his medication cycle.

Posted by: Riding shotgun for the Texas Rangers at April 03, 2014 12:08 PM (1mtKP)

163 152 Posted by: Citizen X at April 03, 2014 04:06 PM (7ObY1) It means "people's community."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 03, 2014 12:08 PM (CMkNk)

164

At the first opportunity ... the Progressives will implement a Reichstag Decree, and back it up with an Enabling Act. If they can't get it as a reaction to a single major event, they'll do it a piece of the time through the courts.

 

Mark my words.

 

Posted by: ScoggDogg at April 03, 2014 12:08 PM (0wI2x)

165 Hmm . . . I don't know. This general philosophy is inconsistent with the opinion in Snyder v. Phelps, 562 U.S. ___ (2011), which was an 8-1 decision. (Alito dissented.) I'll have to read the opinion, but I'm not quite ready to say that this represents Breyer's view of the First Amendment *outside* the context of campaign finance cases.

Posted by: Mr Estrada at April 03, 2014 12:08 PM (4oWMT)

166 Oddly Beyer's argument could be right but only under a Federated system where in the States and not the Fed exercised the collective right of free speech. So has Beyer and his collectivist trolls become State Rights supporters? Methinks not.

Posted by: Chaos the Other Dark Meat at April 03, 2014 12:08 PM (oDCMR)

167 Can we just have the revolution and get it over with? I'm tired of this slow circling of the drain.

Posted by: LibertarianJim at April 03, 2014 04:04 PM (CMbMd)


---


Not Yet.   CCI is STILL out of Large Rifle Primers.....

Posted by: fixerupper at April 03, 2014 12:08 PM (nELVU)

168 Congress can set the size of the SCOTUS. It was decreased to nine after the ACW to prevent Andrew Johnson from filling three vacancies.

Something to think about.

Posted by: Kristophr at April 03, 2014 12:08 PM (c6N69)

169 35 The camps are no longer in the distant future comrade, but rest assured they are in your future! I'll never make the camps..... Posted by: rickb223 at April 03, 2014 03:49 PM (h1D+w) We do not have time to play at “oppositions” at “conferences.” We will keep our political opponents… whether open or disguised as “nonparty,” in prison. -- Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 03, 2014 12:08 PM (bb5+k)

170
Nevermind I didn't read the whole post.

Posted by: dan-O at April 03, 2014 12:08 PM (D0bIN)

171 What's forgotten in this thread is that five justices believe that the 1st Amendment is a divine right insofar as this particular case is concerned.

Kudos to those five justices.

Posted by: Soona at April 03, 2014 04:03 PM (fZQEE)

 

Well aren't you just the Little Miss Sunshine bringing all of your happy-talk to AoSHQ GloomFest 2014.

 

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Days of Rage Sale at the Outrage Outlet! at April 03, 2014 12:08 PM (hLRSq)

172 This is what of the most frightening things I've read or seen in a long long time. And the really scary part? Virtually no one in the public will read it and most certainly won't understand it. There will be no outcry until it's too late. The public have been conditioned to believe they don't have enough edumacation or smarts to understand Deep Legal Thoughts like the SCOTUS has on a daily basis. They're just patted on the head and told to run along like good little subjects, the Gigantically Smart Minds of Our Betters will handle this.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 03, 2014 12:09 PM (0HooB)

173 It means "people's community." Cool, thanks J.J. I think in their song titles it was more of a "God's community" or "Community of God."

Posted by: Citizen X at April 03, 2014 12:09 PM (7ObY1)

174 "Will of the People"---hey how'd that work out in Jonestown?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 03, 2014 12:09 PM (t3UFN)

175 Kennedy is the Court's swing vote. 

Posted by: Barack Obama- are you smarter than a fifth grader at April 03, 2014 12:09 PM (m2CN7)

176 123 This might be the right hill    Posted by: John McCain at April 03, 2014 04:02 PM (LISuA)
Then they came for me and I was screwed.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 03, 2014 12:09 PM (TtEhW)

177 152 45 Another word for community is "volksgemeinschaft." Here is another relevant German word: Schutzstaffel

Posted by: Riding shotgun for the Texas Rangers at April 03, 2014 12:09 PM (1mtKP)

178 Yes, Gemeinschaft means community.  Volksgemeinschaft would be the community of the people (but "Volk" is a more freighted word in German than "people").

Posted by: Harriet Miers at April 03, 2014 12:09 PM (JtwS4)

179 Wait, Souter is retired???
====

Souter's out?  Souter's out!

Posted by: mrp at April 03, 2014 12:09 PM (JBggj)

180 /dimbulb sock

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at April 03, 2014 12:10 PM (JtwS4)

181 Socialists are like King Louis of France.  "I am the State."

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 03, 2014 12:10 PM (1cFNy)

182 I don't want to use Chrome.


Blah, maybe I should fork some open source browser, and have it send a graphical bird flip to google and mozilla every time I use it.

Posted by: [/i]KG at April 03, 2014 12:10 PM (p7BzH)

183 174 "Will of the People"---hey how'd that work out in Jonestown? Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 03, 2014 04:09 PM (t3UFN) I was NOT there, dammit!

Posted by: Kool Aid at April 03, 2014 12:10 PM (mx5oN)

184 151 I wonder if Breyer even knows that he is parroting Rousseau. Posted by: dan-O at April 03, 2014 04:06 PM (D0bIN) Old and busted = Henri Rousseau The new hotness - Jean Jacques Rousseau Even better = Renee Russo (licking the icing off a charlotte russe)

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 03, 2014 12:10 PM (CMkNk)

185 Slavery of speech.

Posted by: George Orwell at April 03, 2014 12:10 PM (AWmfW)

186 Think about it. We are getting soundly beaten by the Ghey Mafia and Pajama Boy/ Beta Male types. Sad.....

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 03, 2014 12:10 PM (32Ze2)

187 How does this not lead to civil war?

Posted by: rickl at April 03, 2014 12:11 PM (zoehZ)

188 t's a dark day for freedom. Brendan Eich has stepped down from his brief tenure as Mozilla's CEO Everybody is now on notice that the wrong politics will get you fired. Probably in a decade being a Christian openly will get you fired. And no bakers will making you any cakes either. I think it's time we discuss a divorce of the country. I think the states should call a constitutional convention in which we break the country up. I think the left may actually be receptive to the idea. We're just too different a people now.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 03, 2014 12:11 PM (4yFKY)

189 Apparently Breyer needs to have the DC v. Heller opinion printed on marble panels, pulverized into egg-sized pieces, then pounded up his ass with a ball-peen hammer.

Posted by: Sharkman at April 03, 2014 12:11 PM (TM1p8)

190 175 Kennedy is the Court's swing vote. Posted by: Barack Obama- are you smarter than a fifth grader at April 03, 2014 04:09 PM (m2CN7) Swings both ways, eh?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 03, 2014 12:11 PM (CMkNk)

191 "Our judicial appointees are dragged through the mud while the GOP politely votes for every radical nut job they nominate."

I waited in vain to hear one single Senator stand up and observe that Sotomayor's judicial record didn't show someone legally competent enough to serve on the Supreme Court.

I mean, when the nominee fucked up an opinion so badly that the ENTIRE Supreme Court had unanimously voted to reverse her? Holy moly.

But, Obama didn't want SoSo for her brains. Just to be a compliant rubber stamp.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 03, 2014 12:11 PM (noWW6)

192 fixerupper: "Not Yet. CCI is STILL out of Large Rifle Primers....."

youtu.be/InnFDDdtXP4

Posted by: Kristophr at April 03, 2014 12:11 PM (c6N69)

193 these people should have been impeached after Kelo.

of course, standing up for the bill of rights is only driving moderates from the GOP.

Posted by: oejay44indc at April 03, 2014 12:11 PM (+JbYP)

194 So -- are any tech CEOs ever forced to resign supporting left-wing social policies?

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 03, 2014 12:13 PM (ZPrif)

195 Glee Mafia I am strangely ambivalent about our pathway we're on towards absorbing a nuke.

AARRGGHH!!

Got insufficient (for me) google nav directions out of Arlington a few years back and while yelling at nothing looking to get to a street I knew muttered some day this is all going to burn.  Turned a corner and #@$%^&* right at the cemetery.  Good news is I knew the way home then.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at April 03, 2014 12:13 PM (DL2i+)

196 You know what's even stupider about that stupid decision? AMERICA WASNT A DEMOCRACY WHEN THE CONSTITUTION WAS WRITTEN There's no need for a "collective" right to restrict speech that didn't even exist!!!

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 56% more DOOM! at April 03, 2014 12:13 PM (09o/X)

197 How many tech CEOs donate to Planned Parenthood, Wendy Davis, Emily's List, etc, etc?

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 03, 2014 12:14 PM (ZPrif)

198
How did Souter vote?
Posted by: Dr Spank

He must have voted with the majority since it was 5-4.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton

Souter isn't on the Supreme Court.
Posted by: Mikey NTH

Wait, Souter is retired???
Posted by: J.J. Sefton


"I sure do like pumpkins, Cotton."

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 03, 2014 12:14 PM (kdS6q)

199 140 This is what of the most frightening things I've read or seen in a long long time. And the really scary part? Virtually no one in the public will read it and most certainly won't understand it.

There will be no outcry until it's too late. Posted by: Bcochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 03, 2014 04:05 PM (GEICT)


I agree.  We are one vote away from losing a basic right enshrined in our Constitution.  One. Vote. Away.


That should scare *everyone* here.

Posted by: DangerGirl at April 03, 2014 12:14 PM (GrtrJ)

200 They feared that people would think these were the only ones or that they would be misinterpreted later as grants from the state. Looks like those guys were right. Posted by: Fred at April 03, 2014 03:55 PM (/mQMC) The Anti-Federalists were right about everything. It wasn't prescience, they just understood human nature.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 03, 2014 12:14 PM (bb5+k)

201 Breyer subscribes to the notion that this is a collective right (or "right"), and is only a true right to the extent it furthers the ends of the collective.

Breyer got his wish.  The majority voted.  Collectively, they majority gave us individual rights.

/sarcasm

Posted by: John P. Squibob at April 03, 2014 12:14 PM (DQZLr)

202 God help me the moonbats have sent me back to MS Explorer...

Posted by: sven10077 at April 03, 2014 12:14 PM (TE35l)

203 maybe they're lemmings; progs do have lemming-like features and behavior


if they're not lemmings, you all already know what is necessary to stop them


just sayin'..... ( or in this case, implying ).

Posted by: Jules ( counting down from zero ) at April 03, 2014 12:15 PM (JyjXt)

204 The Anti-Federalists were right about everything. I suspect our debts and deficit are worse than under the Articles.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 03, 2014 12:15 PM (4yFKY)

205 These people, Breyer and his ilk, are alien. They are not American in any meaningful historical sense. As are many of the people around us ... They are not citizens, they just live here, and benefit from a history/legacy they do not know, comprehend, or support. This is hardly the first time SCOTUS authoritarians have jumped the shark. The whole thing ~ the courts rogue status in the system, the absurd pseudo analytical BS the priesthood has invented to wow the rubes (strict scrutiny, compelling state interest, on and on) ....the US const. System is very broken. Heard a snippet of Breyer interviewed by Hewitt once ... My god, what a vapid, arrogant, intellectually pathetic little creature. Such tiny people were never meant to have such power.

Posted by: Non=purist at April 03, 2014 12:15 PM (MBzEc)

206 202 God help me the moonbats have sent me back to MS Explorer... Posted by: sven10077 at April 03, 2014 04:14 PM (TE35l) Upside: This website will finally render correctly for you.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 56% more DOOM! at April 03, 2014 12:15 PM (09o/X)

207  How does this not lead to civil war?

Posted by: rickl at April 03, 2014 04:11 PM (zoehZ)

 

 

--------------------------------------------

 

 

Not yet.  Remember, the Constitution was upheld in this decision.  We won this one, people.

Posted by: Soona at April 03, 2014 12:16 PM (fZQEE)

208 198 "I sure do like pumpkins, Cotton." Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 03, 2014 04:14 PM (kdS6q) It sure feels like he never left. Then again, the same could be said about Hugo Black.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 03, 2014 12:16 PM (CMkNk)

209 80 The collective good of some people would be greatly improved by a good beating Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 03, 2014 03:56 PM (t3UFN) The collective good of all of us would be improved if some people received a good beating.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 03, 2014 12:16 PM (bb5+k)

210 The public have been conditioned to believe they don't have enough edumacation or smarts to understand Deep Legal Thoughts like the SCOTUS has on a daily basis. Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 03, 2014 04:09 PM (0HooB) And, unfortunately, by and large that's correct. Legal opinion and theory is a nightmare to read and parse. It shouldn't be, but it is. Annoyed the crap out of me in law school and still does.

Posted by: Bcochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 03, 2014 12:16 PM (GEICT)

Posted by: oejay44indc at April 03, 2014 12:17 PM (+JbYP)

212 Chief Justice Charles Evans Hughes, who in 1931 argued that " 'a fundamental principle of our constitutional system' is the 'maintenance of the opportunity for free political discussion to the end that government may be responsive to the will of the people" (emphasis Breyer's). My direct reading indicates that Breyer concludes that "free political discussion" is necessary "that government may be responsive to the will of the people". Breyer does not say that this is a "collective right", and at the time (and before, and since) this right has always been seen as an individual one. If Breyer is arguing "collective right", this is not where he does it. Further, what is a "collective right"? It seems to be clearly nothing more than the right of the collective to control an individual right ... among other things, admitting that the individual right really is an existing right, and they know it.

Posted by: Arbalest at April 03, 2014 12:17 PM (FlRtG)

213 It wasn't prescience, they just understood human nature. Posted by: D-Lamp at April 03, 2014 04:14 PM (bb5+k) It is the natural order of things for power to collect under a strong central government.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 56% more DOOM! at April 03, 2014 12:17 PM (09o/X)

214 Scary shit.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 03, 2014 12:17 PM (0LHZx)

215 The Supreme Court sucking is nothing new. Remember, these guys decided Dredd Scott.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 03, 2014 12:17 PM (4yFKY)

216 209 The collective good of all of us would be improved if some people received a good beating. Posted by: D-Lamp at April 03, 2014 04:16 PM (bb5+k) David Horowitz over at Front Page Mag has quite a collection in his rogue's gallery who deserve a "good talking to."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 03, 2014 12:18 PM (CMkNk)

217 Evening peeps, I just poured a big fat glass of vino to go with the doom. It's a nice robust red, I though it would pair well with the delicious shit sandwich of news I just read.

Posted by: spypeach is ready for a revolution at April 03, 2014 12:18 PM (10H0T)

218 Apparently Breyer needs to have the DC v. Heller opinion printed on marble panels, pulverized into egg-sized pieces, then pounded up his ass with a ball-peen hammer. Dibs on 3rd shift!

Posted by: rickb223 at April 03, 2014 12:18 PM (h1D+w)

219 The two-minute hate is alive and well.

Posted by: whyme at April 03, 2014 12:18 PM (l9mF2)

220 D-Lamp: "It wasn't prescience, they just understood human nature."


Adams' book on the Triumvir should be required high school reading. The Triumver turns slaves into citizens. The Federalists weren't exactly a bunch of slouches either. Just wrongheaded.

That and Hamilton was a Rothschild stooge. Central Bank my ass.

Posted by: Kristophr at April 03, 2014 12:18 PM (c6N69)

221 It's only a collective right because they're in charge. Culturally, at least. I listened to an interview with Fred Siegel (the interviewer was Milt Rosenberg) and he has a book "The Revolt Against the Masses: How Liberalism Has Undermined the Middle Class" One interesting thing that Fred said was that liberalism out of power bears no resemblance to liberalism in power. This is my language but, when out of power, they're hippies and when in power, they're fascists.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 03, 2014 12:18 PM (T0NGe)

222 Where's a moon colony when you need it?

Posted by: Heinlein Time at April 03, 2014 12:19 PM (ZPrif)

223 90 Bush Sr really fucked us with Breyer. Posted by: Dr Spank at April 03, 2014 03:58 PM (P1WNR) Breyer was appointed by Clinton, but Bush got Clinton elected when he broke his tax pledge, so yeah. It works out the same.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 03, 2014 12:19 PM (bb5+k)

224 Not yet. Remember, the Constitution was upheld in this decision. We won this one, people.

Posted by: Soona at April 03, 2014 04:16 PM (fZQEE)

 

As someone else posted previously,  the horde is not united  as  much  in what they like but  in  what  they  dislike.

Posted by: polynikes at April 03, 2014 12:19 PM (m2CN7)

225 "so what's the alternative to Mozilly" I really like Opera, but I know nothing of their politics. I think that's probably a good thing though. At least they aren't loudly liberal, right?

Posted by: Lauren at April 03, 2014 12:19 PM (hFL/3)

226 good thing Romney 2012 took lumps about Crazy wingnut justices and never suggested that lib judges are a bunch of pinko, terrorist snuggling, totalitarians who hate America...because that would have kept lena dunham and Glutes Sullivan from voting for him.

I doubt the GOP can get people to cross the line to vote for them when your campaign slogan is "Obama is awesome and I am ok to, I guess, so whatever."

Posted by: oejay44indc at April 03, 2014 12:19 PM (+JbYP)

227 And plenty of people on the right will help them tear down the bill of rights, if I had a nickle for every Republican in this backwards little town that insists the first amendment doesn't apply to radio, TV, or the internet.

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at April 03, 2014 12:19 PM (L02KD)

228 Not yet. Remember, the Constitution was upheld in this decision. We won this one, people.

Posted by: Soona at April 03, 2014 04:16 PM (fZQEE)

 

 

Stop being so upbeat!  Every victory freedom wins is actually a loss!  Don't you understand it is inevit..inebit...iniviat...bad stuff is going to happen and it will be a nightfall without end for humanity!  Tyranny forever and ever and ever!!!!!!

 

AHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Days of Rage Sale at the Outrage Outlet! at April 03, 2014 12:19 PM (hLRSq)

229 222 Where's a moon colony when you need it? They all laughed...

Posted by: Newt Gingrich at April 03, 2014 12:19 PM (4yFKY)

230 "ok too"

Posted by: oejay44indc at April 03, 2014 12:19 PM (+JbYP)

231
It sure feels like he never left.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton




Can't keep straight which of the nine guys on the Court is which myself.

What -- two of those dudes are chicks?  No way!

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 03, 2014 12:20 PM (kdS6q)

232 214 Scary shit. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 03, 2014 04:17 PM (0LHZx) Think that's scary? Read this back to back with Yellen's talk about needing to do MOAR.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 56% more DOOM! at April 03, 2014 12:20 PM (09o/X)

233 ELECTIONS MATTER.

Staying home, voting 3rd party, or "leaving the top line blank" because they did not like McCain or Romney, the malcontents on our side are what elected Obama twice.  Oh, sure, both McCain and Romney made serious errors in their campaigns.  But the people who refused to support them didn't do so because of the mistakes.

Judges get lifetime appointments.  It's difficult to remove them and rare that it happens.

Regulations cripple the economy and are difficult to amend or repeal with a socialist bureaucracy.

Didn't like Dole or GHWB?  Voted Perot?  That's where Breyer and Ginsburg came from.  Obama gave us the very young Kagan and Sotomayor to hand down socialist rulings for decades.

Elections matter.  They all matter. 

Posted by: Adjoran at April 03, 2014 12:20 PM (QIQ6j)

234 221 This is my language but, when out of power, they're hippies and when in power, they're fascists. Posted by: AmishDude at April 03, 2014 04:18 PM (T0NGe) The Star Trek episode "Miri" comes to mind, as well as the Lost in Space episode where everyone grows younger and the groovy kids rule the planet. Shockingly accurate. That and Children of the Corn(hole)

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 03, 2014 12:21 PM (CMkNk)

235 The collective good of all of us would be improved if some people received a good beating. -------- Shockingly harsh and violent words. I am a life-long Republican and spend a lot of time reading right-wing blogs. But after reading these sickening and hurtful words on one of these right-wing blogs, Ii am now a supporter of President Obama's policies. His policies are common sense approaches to solve the problems that Bush and the Republican Congress created. Please join me and the rest of the collective in supporting President Obama.

Posted by: pajamee at April 03, 2014 12:21 PM (8Ks4F)

236

90 Bush Sr really fucked us with Breyer.

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 03, 2014 03:58 PM (P1WNR)

Bush gave us Souter and Thomas.  Broke even. 

 

 

Posted by: polynikes at April 03, 2014 12:21 PM (m2CN7)

237 113 "Bush Sr really fucked us with Breyer." That was Souter. Posted by: torquewrench at April 03, 2014 04:01 PM (noWW6) Almost the same thing.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 03, 2014 12:21 PM (bb5+k)

238 I need to amend my dissenting opinion to make clear that pornography is obviously necessary for a functioning democracy. It matters.

Posted by: Justice Breyer at April 03, 2014 12:22 PM (29vnO)

239 I really like Opera, but I know nothing of their politics. I think that's probably a good thing though. At least they aren't loudly liberal, right?

Posted by: Lauren at April 03, 2014 04:19 PM (hFL/3)


---


Opera???


Sounds like.......  Theatre Major-ish ...... stuff to me .....

Posted by: fixerupper at April 03, 2014 12:22 PM (nELVU)

240 233 Elections matter. They all matter. Posted by: Adjoran at April 03, 2014 04:20 PM (QIQ6j) With a judiciary that is virtually all leftist activist and an unelected bureaucracy that cannot be removed, I would say your statement is wrong.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 03, 2014 12:22 PM (CMkNk)

241 Didn't like Dole or GHWB? Voted Perot? That's where Breyer and Ginsburg came from. Obama gave us the very young Kagan and Sotomayor to hand down socialist rulings for decades. Elections matter. They all matter. Posted by: Adjoran at April 03, 2014 04:20 PM (QIQ6j) What if I voted for all your shitty candidates? Can I point out how much they suck and what a fucking stupid strategy nominating people like them was?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 03, 2014 12:22 PM (4yFKY)

242 Shockingly harsh and violent words. I am a life-long Republican and spend a lot of time reading right-wing blogs. But after reading these sickening and hurtful words on one of these right-wing blogs, Ii am now a supporter of President Obama's policies. His policies are common sense approaches to solve the problems that Bush and the Republican Congress created. Please join me and the rest of the collective in supporting President Obama. You typed this from your homestead while chowing down on some Hate Chicken sammiches and planning your next trip to buy Jeebus stuff at Hobby Lobby on your way to the gun range, correct?

Posted by: Citizen X at April 03, 2014 12:23 PM (7ObY1)

243 The public have been conditioned to believe they don't have enough edumacation or smarts to understand Deep Legal Thoughts like the SCOTUS has on a daily basis.

To be fair, a frighteningly large fraction of the public doesn't have the edumacation or smarts to read and understand your comment, or this reply.

Posted by: HR at April 03, 2014 12:23 PM (ZKzrr)

244 Staying home, voting 3rd party, or "leaving the top line blank" because they did not like McCain or Romney, the malcontents on our side are what elected Obama twice.

Elections matter. They all matter.

Posted by: Adjoran at April 03, 2014 04:20 PM (QIQ6j)


First, the bolded part is bullshit.


Second, we *have* been voting every single fucking time, and yet, here we are. *That* is on the Republican Party. What did they do when they controlled all three branches of gov't? Do remind me.

Posted by: [/i]KG at April 03, 2014 12:23 PM (p7BzH)

245 132 I can't say it was behind the dissenting justices reasoning but the political left doesn't want unlimited financing because it will balance the field. They depended on the Right to follow the financing rules while they covertly ignored them. Posted by: polynikes at April 03, 2014 04:03 PM (m2CN7) Unions.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 03, 2014 12:24 PM (bb5+k)

246 241 Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 03, 2014 04:22 PM (4yFKY) And lest we forget, John McStains gave us McCain Feingold. Elections matter less and less. Erections on the other handÂ…

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 03, 2014 12:24 PM (CMkNk)

247 I read the post, and it was a punch in the gut.
Tie it all in with the push to teach school children that the Constitution is out of date, and we are heading for a serious bonening.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at April 03, 2014 12:24 PM (lceO/)

248 The only opera I like is the one the ESPN music came from (Orff's Carmina Burana.) Which isn't really an opera, but close enough.

Posted by: Citizen X at April 03, 2014 12:24 PM (7ObY1)

249 Elections matter less and less. Erections on the other handÂ… Bob Dole knows about erections.

Posted by: Bob Dole at April 03, 2014 12:25 PM (mx5oN)

250 To the Progressive statist, everything is instrumental in that everything is an instrument of the state, if the state so chooses.

Posted by: A message at April 03, 2014 12:25 PM (fsHdl)

251 What did they do when they controlled all three branches of gov't? Do remind me. It is blasphemous to measure performance.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 03, 2014 12:25 PM (4yFKY)

252 Bevel Lemelisk: Nominations are far more important than the election.

If both parties nominate nothing but fascists, then we get a fascist government. QED.

Posted by: Kristophr at April 03, 2014 12:25 PM (c6N69)

253
We won this one, people.
Posted by: Soona



On a 5-4 vote.  With Justice "Roulette" Roberts as the deciding vote.

We remain uncomforted.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 03, 2014 12:25 PM (kdS6q)

254 228 Mikey NTH - Days of Rage Sale at the Outrage Outlet! at April 03, 2014 04:19 PM (hLRSq) The newsest justices who are closer to the Ivy league's Marxist petrie dish of law sided with the asshammer champ. The mules openly engage in fraud measuring the hundreds of thousands nationally if not the millions.... we are one death or retirement away from the US Constitution being reinterpreted into a dead letter and the GOP is figuring out how to backdoor another 12-60 million voters for team jackass. Believe it or not I am not usually a hysteric on the bill of rights I know what Donkey Hardcore wants and I know how slow it usually trickles their way. The 1st Amendment will be subverted in the next ten years. Stage 1 is the attack on the Freedom of Religion portions by glitter bomb after that is weakened speech will be next.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 03, 2014 12:25 PM (TE35l)

255 242 Posted by: Citizen X at April 03, 2014 04:23 PM (7ObY1) I'm loading my HO scale cattle cars from Hobby Lobby with miniature people now and sending them across the layout to the miniature re-education camp. Unless Gomez blows up the bridge...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 03, 2014 12:26 PM (CMkNk)

256

"Shockingly harsh and violent words. I am a life-long Republican and spend a lot of time reading right-wing blogs. But after reading these sickening and hurtful words on one of these right-wing blogs, Ii am now a supporter of President Obama's policies. His policies are common sense approaches to solve the problems that Bush and the Republican Congress created. Please join me and the rest of the collective in supporting President Obama."

 

 

Well done you sincere Concerned Christian Conservative Christian, well done.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Days of Rage Sale at the Outrage Outlet! at April 03, 2014 12:26 PM (hLRSq)

257 Do you realize that the Star Trek II, III, IV is now hysterical right-wing propaganda? The whole message was that "the needs of the many do not outweigh the needs of the few". Spock was a collectivist twit who viewed himself as a cog in a machine. It was Kirk and McCoy and the rest who risked everything, including orderly society, to bring him back.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 03, 2014 12:26 PM (T0NGe)

258 137 The map on that Chicago link is fascinating. It looks precisely like the maps used in epidemiology which track the spread of an infection over time. Posted by: torquewrench at April 03, 2014 04:04 PM (noWW6) And that's precisely what socialism is. It is an infection of evil principles that seem nice on the face of them.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 03, 2014 12:26 PM (bb5+k)

259 #142 Don't kid yourself -- Harriet Meyers is John Marshall compared to Kagan.

Posted by: Dancing Queen at April 03, 2014 12:26 PM (9Zci/)

260 This is an extension of Oblabla's nonsense about the Constitution being about "Negative Rights". See, the 1st Amendment prevents the gov't from the "Positive Right" of pushing speech that is good for "the people". Nasty ole freedom of speech preventing the gov't from only letting you say what's good for you. Whereas, the "Positive Right" would be the gov't given the power to prevent speech that harms "the people" and give preference and promotion to the speech the gov't agrees with. So, you know, we now have 4 Justices on the Supreme Court who define Freedom of Speech the same as the gov't of North Korea. Think about that for a second. Awesome, right?

Posted by: naturalfake at April 03, 2014 12:26 PM (0cMkb)

261 J.J. Sefton I think the Grups caught the last train to the coast, the day the American Dream died.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 03, 2014 12:26 PM (1cFNy)

262 As someone else posted previously, the horde is not united as much in what they like but in what they dislike.

Posted by: polynikes at April 03, 2014 04:19 PM (m2CN7)

 

 

----------------------------------------------------

 

 

And I agree with the horde collective.

 

Actually, all Beyer would have  had  to do is quote "Atlas Shrugged". 

 

"It's for the good of the people".

Posted by: Soona at April 03, 2014 12:26 PM (fZQEE)

263 All attorneys are scum but most intelligent people know this. All justices are all former attorneys which mean they are bigger scum, with no common sense and contempt for anyone not in their cesspool. A pox on the Supreme Court and all their offspring....

Posted by: IrishEd at April 03, 2014 12:27 PM (D0NZx)

264 263 J.J. Sefton I think the Grups caught the last train to the coast, the day the American Dream died. Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 03, 2014 04:26 PM (1cFNy) Bonk Bonk on the head, America!!!!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 03, 2014 12:27 PM (CMkNk)

265 Yeah, and look at Vulcan today.

Posted by: soothsayer at April 03, 2014 12:27 PM (gh7eZ)

266 Wimpiest fascists ever!

Posted by: Comic Book Guy at April 03, 2014 12:28 PM (BghPp)

267 So Mrs VIA and I went to the range today.

And for some reason, I told her that she really needed to pay attention to the care and maintenance of the various Fluffys around the house.

Not just the shooting, but the care and feeding as well.

And then I read this post, and understand why.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at April 03, 2014 12:28 PM (lceO/)

268 To be fair, a frighteningly large fraction of the public doesn't have the edumacation or smarts to read and understand your comment, or this reply. Posted by: HR at April 03, 2014 04:23 PM (ZKzrr) Most Americans literally think it's the judge's job to overturn "bad" law. Meaning law they don't like. The people have spoken. And they are retarded.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 56% more DOOM! at April 03, 2014 12:28 PM (09o/X)

269 Not yet. Remember, the Constitution was upheld in this decision. We won this one, people. ----- And we are winning on this issue. It seems likely that all of campaign finance is being gutted slowly one case at a time. Just like with the 2nd A, we are winning the 1st A battle. I think it is important to remember this. Sure, things hang in the balance because these are 5-4 decisions, but they are wins nonetheless. If you believe that Sotomayer and Kagan are not quite as "intellectual" as the others, then this is good. For what its worth, I'll take the 2 Bush appointments over the 2 Obama appointments in terms of intellectual abilities of persuasion any day of the week (Obamacare notwithstanding). Its like having 2.5 justices to 2. We have a long way to go, but we are winning on many levels, particularly among the first two amendments. I'm ready to start making challenges under the 3rd Amendment following Instapundit's idea that the modern police force is essentially the quartering of troops. Take it one amendment at a time.

Posted by: SH at April 03, 2014 12:28 PM (gmeXX)

270 Rush had a caller late this afternoon that was a twenty something who grew up in Colorado. He said he became progressively more conservative as he went through college and he said he attributed it to having lived his entire life to that point in Colorado and having experienced first hand what restrictive progressive ideals do the individual. Hearing him talk reminded me of the individuals I have met over the years who survived communist regimes and who know what it is like to live in those places. Those individuals cherish and will defend freedom such as this young man was also ready to do. Because he has lived without freedom, he no longer will tolerate any loss of freedom, because he knows where that road goes. It's going to take more removal of freedom to make the public understand how valuable that freedom is. How you cannot allow it to slip away little by little because "it doesn't really affect me". That young man certainly gave me hope. He also had additional words to counter a previous caller who said that we conservatives can't keep frightening the rest of the country with threats of taking away government support and expect to win elections. If any morons have the ability to listen again on a pod cast, this young man is worth a listen.

Posted by: Jen at April 03, 2014 12:28 PM (IdGqX)

271 All of Obama's nominees have been intellectual light weights. They were affirmative action hires, which is frankly pretty offensive because when you do that shit it looks like every woman is an incompetent idiot since supposedly Kagan and Sotomayor are the best and brightest of our gender.

Posted by: Lauren at April 03, 2014 12:28 PM (hFL/3)

272 Funny how the right to marriage isn't a collective right, with society having a veto over what it views as harmful to the institution that is the bed rock of western civilization.

Posted by: Joe at April 03, 2014 12:29 PM (7pOq5)

273

(1) Think about Ace's post on demographics a day or so ago and how the path forward inexorably leads to Democrat presidencies (at least). Then think about the Supreme Court composition.

(2) The permutations of this are very, very scary - 1984 scary over the long game.

(3) Breyer was an R appointee. How did he go so unvetted, even back then? WTF?

(4) "Start learning to sew.

Yellow colored cloth stars will be handed out soon"

When a new member is "patched in" to the Vagos MC he has 5 minutes to sew his patch on. If a brother can pull it off, the new member is busted back to prospect (an intolerable fate probably worse than near death, for those guys anyway).

How many minutes will we get to sew? What will the penalty be? Can we help our kids or parents sew their stars on? Can our kids help us sew ours?

 

Posted by: RM at April 03, 2014 12:29 PM (fRppw)

274 On the bright side, when the money runs out the central government will maybe control Maryland. Of course, most of us will die of starvation or in the rioting.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 03, 2014 12:29 PM (4yFKY)

275 If property rights are collective I can haz all your $#!T.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 03, 2014 12:30 PM (bitz6)

276 265 All attorneys are scum but most intelligent people know this. All justices are all former attorneys which mean they are bigger scum, with no common sense and contempt for anyone not in their cesspool. A pox on the Supreme Court and all their offspring.... Posted by: IrishEd at April 03, 2014 04:27 PM (D0NZx) On behalf of myself, the other lawyer Rons and Ettes, as well as the lawyer writers on this fine blogÂ….Go Fuck Yourself.

Posted by: Bcochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 03, 2014 12:30 PM (GEICT)

277 Comic Book Guy: Himmler almost had a nervous breakdown when he personally witnessed his SS men shooting jews and pushing them into a mass grave.

When he recovered his composure later, he ordered medals for all the men involved.

Posted by: Kristophr at April 03, 2014 12:30 PM (c6N69)

278 265 Irish Ed, we have numbers in attendance here. Might want to hold off with the insulting generalizations.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at April 03, 2014 12:30 PM (ojnk6)

279 Yeah, I realized that the public has been dumbed down right about the time I clicked, "Post." Meh, principles are overrated anyway...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 03, 2014 12:30 PM (0HooB)

280 George HW Bush surprisingly gave us Clarence Thomas. THAT was a blessing. It's too bad he and the party didn't have the stones to stand up for Robert Bork.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 03, 2014 12:31 PM (CMkNk)

281 268 Wimpiest fascists ever! Posted by: Comic Book Guy at April 03, 2014 04:28 PM (BghPp) Barack Obama is as dictatorial as his passive-aggression allows.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 03, 2014 12:31 PM (T0NGe)

282

Posted by: sven10077 at April 03, 2014 04:25 PM (TE35l)

 

sven, you're back; I was wondering where you were - hadn't seen your nic around. 

 

Don't worry so much - we are all collectively doomed like a line of hobbits chained to work in one of Saruman's enviromentally destructive industries.  The result of this 5-4 decision upholding freedom of speech will be the erosion of free speech.  It is destiny that we fail and that tyranny take over.  So to cut to the chase I am going to be the first to welcome teh new evil overlords.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Days of Rage Sale at the Outrage Outlet! at April 03, 2014 12:31 PM (hLRSq)

283
Further, what is a "collective right"? It seems to be clearly nothing more than the right of the collective to control an individual right ... among other things, admitting that the individual right really is an existing right, and they know it.

Posted by: Arbalest

Take for example the claim of some on the Left that the 2nd is a collective right; you would to be a member of a militia to keep and bear arms, IE you have to be a service member.

A 'collective right' is one that can only be freely expressed as a part of an acknowledged group. The McCutcheon decision revolves around the right of an individual to donate money to campaigns. A collective right reading would permit the limits on the amount an individual can donate. SCOTUS killed the limits with this decision.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i][/b] at April 03, 2014 12:31 PM (TB4sJ)

284 I think the left may actually be receptive to the idea. We're just too different a people now. Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 03, 2014 04:11 PM (4yFKY) No they won't. They want to impose their morality on others, so they need others to impose it on. As Walter Williams says: "The problem I have with Communism is that they always want to include me in it. "

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 03, 2014 12:31 PM (bb5+k)

285 100,000,000 Russians, Ukrainians, and Chinese died in service to the "collective."

Posted by: bergerbilder at April 03, 2014 12:31 PM (8MjqI)

286 I guess we can expect the left, including Big Anus, to demand Obama's resignation any day now.

Any day now.

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 03, 2014 03:47 PM (P1WNR)




By Big Anus, don't you really mean "The Blunt Force Dingleberry Removal Brigade", AKA "Milky Loads Disposal and Reach-Around Battalion"?

Posted by: Sharkman at April 03, 2014 12:32 PM (TM1p8)

287 Heavy post. Good post. Had to mute my music to swallow and digest this.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: Sun Worshipper at April 03, 2014 12:32 PM (IXrOn)

288 276 On the bright side, when the money runs out the central government will maybe control Maryland. Of course, most of us will die of starvation or in the rioting. Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 03, 2014 04:29 PM (4yFKY) F***. Glad I tooled up before the ban.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 56% more DOOM! at April 03, 2014 12:32 PM (09o/X)

289 For a literary diversion from Cauldron of Ghosts.

A gang in a Seccy district tried to boost a vehicle operated by Thandi and escorted by Victor Cachet.
---
Yana looked dubious. “I thought the idea was to steer clear of Lower Radomsko altogether.”

“Yes, it was. That’s because if you muck around in that area, some gang is bound to jump you. But that’s sort of a moot point now, isn’t it? Just crossing one little itty-bitty corner of the place brought a gang down on us. Or I should say, down on Thandi Palane and Victor Cachat.”

Yana chuckled. “Talk about shooting for the Darwin Award.”

Anton nodded. “As acts of suicidal folly goes, that one’s a real contender for the title. We didn’t plan for it, but what’s done is done. And now we’ve cleared a corner for ourselves in Lower Radomsko. So why not set up shop? There are some real advantages to working out of that area, you know, in addition to the drawbacks.”

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 03, 2014 12:32 PM (1cFNy)

290

3) Breyer was an R appointee. How did he go so unvetted, even back then? WTF?

 

Clinton appointee.

Posted by: polynikes at April 03, 2014 12:32 PM (m2CN7)

291 193 these people should have been impeached after Kelo. Posted by: oejay44indc at April 03, 2014 04:11 PM (+JbYP) Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding!

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 03, 2014 12:33 PM (bb5+k)

292 Your right to life and liberty are collective?

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 03, 2014 12:33 PM (bitz6)

293 Bcochran: Lawyers are evil, until you need one.

When you need one, you want one that is more evil than the rest.

( My usual lawyer specializes in suing lawyers for legal malpractice ... heh )

Posted by: Kristophr at April 03, 2014 12:34 PM (c6N69)

294 Funny how the right to marriage isn't a collective right

There is no right to marriage.  A right cannot depend on another person granting it to you.

Posted by: HR at April 03, 2014 12:34 PM (ZKzrr)

295 Irish Ed, we have numbers in attendance here. Might want to hold off with the insulting generalizations.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at April 03, 2014 04:30 PM (ojnk6)

 

Might want to read My Grandfather's Son also. 

Posted by: polynikes at April 03, 2014 12:34 PM (m2CN7)

296 100,000,000 Russians, Ukrainians, and Chinese died in service to the "collective."

Posted by: bergerbilder at April 03, 2014 04:31 PM (8MjqI)


-----


WTF...... are we chopped liver?????

Posted by: Hmongs asleep in the Killing Fields at April 03, 2014 12:34 PM (nELVU)

297 279 Comic Book Guy: Himmler almost had a nervous breakdown when he personally witnessed his SS men shooting jews and pushing them into a mass grave. When he recovered his composure later, he ordered medals for all the men involved. Posted by: Kristophr at April 03, 2014 04:30 PM (c6N69) A piece of brain splashed on his coat. He wanted a more humane means of execution. Human for the killers that is, not the Jews.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 03, 2014 12:34 PM (CMkNk)

298 sudo apt-get remove firefox

Posted by: The Emperor Cletus Augustus at April 03, 2014 12:35 PM (xvN0P)

299 "268 Wimpiest fascists ever! Posted by: Comic Book Guy at April 03, 2014 04:28 PM (BghPp) Barack Obama is as dictatorial as his passive-aggression allows." Don't kid yourselves. Obama would shoot any one of us if it served his purposes. Just because he's a beta male doesn't mean he's not capable of going full dictator on us all. His malignant narcissism overrides his betaness.

Posted by: Lauren at April 03, 2014 12:35 PM (hFL/3)

300 "the Community" can go fuck itself. The second protects the first. Lose that battle and the war is over.

Posted by: bill_in_kennesaw at April 03, 2014 12:35 PM (f28MD)

301 Funny, I don't remember being assimilated by The Borg.  I guess that's how it happens though.

Posted by: no good deed at April 03, 2014 12:35 PM (ILBCY)

302 298 WTF...... are we chopped liver????? Posted by: Hmongs asleep in the Killing Fields at April 03, 2014 04:34 PM (nELVU) North Korea is drenched in blood.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 03, 2014 12:35 PM (CMkNk)

303 278 Bcochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 03, 2014 04:30 PM (GEICT) We don't have to fuck ourselves when we have Lawyers Inc.* to fuck us all. You can't have this luge course to worker's paradise we're on without a lot of lawyers working to kill society. *Lawyers Inc a subsidiary of Ice Station Zebra Associates LLC a Saul Goodman company look for us in the "kid successfully sues parents for stipend pages"

Posted by: sven10077 at April 03, 2014 12:35 PM (TE35l)

304 "the needs of the many do not outweigh the needs of the few". Kodos the Executioner -- This is how Planetary Governors and HOA Presidents handle problems.

Posted by: jwest at April 03, 2014 12:36 PM (u2a4R)

305 Has anyone noted that Letterman is retiring in 2015?

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 03, 2014 12:36 PM (P1WNR)

306 It was the Confirmation Hearings for Judge Bork when I came to realize that the dummycrat party had no morals and no scruples and would destroy anyone who, they feel, would obstruct their agenda.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 03, 2014 12:36 PM (32Ze2)

307 295 Bcochran: Lawyers are evil, until you need one. Ah, the argument that acknowledges that the legal profession is an extortion racket.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 03, 2014 12:36 PM (T0NGe)

308 303 Funny, I don't remember being assimilated by The Borg. I guess that's how it happens though. Posted by: no good deed at April 03, 2014 04:35 PM (ILBCY)' Bjorn Borg got assimilated back in '73 or '74. He's as American as lutefisk and lingonberries, yo (ya).

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 03, 2014 12:36 PM (CMkNk)

309 307 He's still on?

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 03, 2014 12:36 PM (bitz6)

310 firefox ? o man what should i use instead that is easy user and free?

and yeah hasn't this been pretty open ideology with the left since Obama won and they slapped around that Joe the Plumber guy,  state used their appertchick, faux knews Obama himself openly states they shant be listened to , tea party send IRS after them,  conservative donors, epa , irs,   sent after them  KOCH's  etc?

so.

Posted by: willow at April 03, 2014 12:37 PM (nqBYe)

311 303 Funny, I don't remember being assimilated by The Borg. I guess that's how it happens though. Posted by: no good deed at April 03, 2014 04:35 PM (ILBCY) You are NOT of the body! (Donald Sutherland points finger, mouth agape)

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 03, 2014 12:37 PM (CMkNk)

312 302 Bill in Kennesaw, hello from a neighbor in Acworth.,

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at April 03, 2014 12:37 PM (ojnk6)

313 309 295 Bcochran: Lawyers are evil, until you need one. I've watched quite a few friends go to lawyers and get nothing but a much lighter bank account after being promised very, very much.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 03, 2014 12:37 PM (4yFKY)

314 "Accordingly, the First Amendment advances not only the individual's right to engage in political speech, but also the public's interest in preserving a democratic order in which collective speech matters." ----- I'm going to just assume anytime someone claims that one of the bill of rights "advances something" they are going weigh off track. They don't advance anything. They protect.

Posted by: SH at April 03, 2014 12:37 PM (gmeXX)

315 LIV, "Landru guide us!"

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 03, 2014 12:37 PM (1cFNy)

316 so i guess this guy is on board with what we've been experiencing  good and just.

Posted by: willow at April 03, 2014 12:38 PM (nqBYe)

317 Bcochran: Lawyers are evil, until you need one.

Ah, the argument that acknowledges that the legal profession is an extortion racket.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 03, 2014 04:36 PM (T0NGe)


-----


That.... and you usually need your lawyer because of the other guys lawyer....

Posted by: Hmongs asleep in the Killing Fields at April 03, 2014 12:38 PM (nELVU)

318 284 Mikey NTH - Days of Rage Sale at the Outrage Outlet! at April 03, 2014 04:31 PM (hLRSq) I've been lurking honest injun' I am in a dark place on mortality and trying to spare my friends and frenemies here the melodrama. Yup we're fucked the good news is so are they in the end.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 03, 2014 12:39 PM (TE35l)

319

  It's too bad he and the party didn't have the stones to stand up for Robert Bork.

 

Oh yeah.  Mr. "the Ninth Amendment is a meaningless ink blot".

 

He was a statist, too, just a conservative statist.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at April 03, 2014 12:39 PM (JtwS4)

320 So, on a more serious note, meatballs tonight. Should I make pasta or go and get a loaf of Italian bread?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 03, 2014 12:39 PM (CMkNk)

321 The Hmongs got their revenge on Pol Pot.

It is easy to poison a former dictator and his entire staff when the poisoners are willing to be food tasters and eat the ricin themselves while they serve the target.

Posted by: Kristophr at April 03, 2014 12:39 PM (c6N69)

322 Cinton appointee is right. Thanks for the pick up, polynikes and sorry for the error.

Posted by: RM at April 03, 2014 12:39 PM (fRppw)

323 ... darning my socks....

Posted by: fixerupper at April 03, 2014 12:39 PM (nELVU)

324 1) I predicted correctly the Mozilla guy 2) stop blaming leftists, the conservative retards on this board that were totally on board with ghey marriage are 100% complicit in this situation 3) stop bringing up that Obama was against it in 2008, only a retard would believe he was sincere and BTW what is the shtick that a conservative uses Obama to make an example on a conservative issue? stupid objection to begin with 4) pointless to find bona fide leftists to make resign, a lesbian congresswoman from Wisconsin received donations from IRAN, fucking IRAN of all places, not a peep from her leftists fanbase because in leftist land, the ends justifies the means. They would receive money from the Vatican, Mormonia and Islam to advance their case, you cannot use the alinsky tactic 'keep them at their standards' because leftists have NO standards. 5) once again Al Gayeda made a CEO resign, another post from any idiotic conservatives that promotes ghey marriage because poor darlings, they are born that way should be fucking smashed in the skull 6) I am not usually sad for people who carefully plan their self demise as conservatives are doing here, I am glad I am closer to Russia than to San Francisco. Time to learn some Cyrillic, in a couple of decades Putin will be remembered as the great statist he is while American conservatives will be at home sobbing for fear to be fired. I thought the biggest threat were muslims. Congratulations, you have empowered faggots so much that now I believe they will be able to keep the camel fuckers at bay.

Posted by: fromabroad at April 03, 2014 12:40 PM (rnV3B)

325 and don't mind my really looong sentence with commas slithered round in their improper positions..

becuase i'm tired. and a little dumb, but i'll blame tired.

Posted by: willow at April 03, 2014 12:40 PM (nqBYe)

326 So, I guess the gays aren't interested in respecting Eich's views, no matter how sincerely held. Any thoughts that they ever would respect anything other than 100% slavish devotion weren't too wisely thought out.

Posted by: ejo at April 03, 2014 12:40 PM (GXvSO)

327 He makes good ice cream.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 03, 2014 12:40 PM (bitz6)

328 Ah, the argument that acknowledges that the legal profession is an extortion racket. Posted by: AmishDude at April 03, 2014 04:36 PM (T0NGe) Oh ffs. Yeah, that's it exactly. You nailed it. Congrats.

Posted by: Bcochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 03, 2014 12:40 PM (GEICT)

329 Two things.

First, I'd like to hear Gabe on this, as he's a legal professional. As a legal professional myself, I think the case against Breyer may be a little overstated here. Don't get me wrong, I disagree with the dissent. Also, Breyer, Ginsburg, Sotomayor, and Kagan are dangerous Justices in many ways; but I tend to believe the view of speech the dissent articulated in this case is limited to campaign finance issues. Otherwise, I'm not sure the Justices who made up yesterday's dissent could have held as they did in Snyder v. Phelps, 562 U.S ___ (2011). And that's just one example.

Second, I have a radical idea. As a libertarian, I think people should be able to hire, fire, or refuse service to anyone for any reason--or no reason. But since the people who disagree with me most on that seem to be of the position that anyone who doesn't hold their political and cultural views does not deserve to be employed, might it be a worthwhile endeavor, on a state level, to pursue anti-discrimination laws that protect political views?

Posted by: Mr Estrada at April 03, 2014 12:40 PM (4oWMT)

330 321 It's too bad he and the party didn't have the stones to stand up for Robert Bork. Oh yeah. Mr. "the Ninth Amendment is a meaningless ink blot". He was a statist, too, just a conservative statist. Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at April 03, 2014 04:39 PM (JtwS4) Say, what????!!!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 03, 2014 12:40 PM (CMkNk)

331 get a loaf of Italian bread?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton

Posted by: willow at April 03, 2014 12:40 PM (nqBYe)

332 What do you call a lawyer with an IQ of 80?

Your Honor.

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at April 03, 2014 12:40 PM (L02KD)

333 How is it that my rights have anything to do with someone else's opinions of my rights? In other words, I really don't care what they think. And don't see the day coming when I will.

If only the shoe were on the other foot.....

Posted by: robert17 at April 03, 2014 12:41 PM (bGQeu)

334 So, on a more serious note, meatballs tonight. Should I make pasta or go and get a loaf of Italian bread? Pizza & beer.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 03, 2014 12:41 PM (h1D+w)

335 Ooh, meatballs.

Posted by: HR at April 03, 2014 12:41 PM (ZKzrr)

336 229 222 Where's a moon colony when you need it? They all laughed... Posted by: Newt Gingrich at April 03, 2014 04:19 PM (4yFKY) And that fucking assclown Romney made it the butt of a joke at the next debate.

Posted by: rickl at April 03, 2014 12:41 PM (zoehZ)

337 Dear Justice Breyer, You do know what happens to useful idiots when the revolution is complete, right?

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at April 03, 2014 12:41 PM (/5Wor)

338 "Should I make pasta or go and get a loaf of Italian bread?" Pasta. But actually make it - don't just open a box.

Posted by: jwest at April 03, 2014 12:41 PM (u2a4R)

339 3) stop bringing up that Obama was against it in 2008, only a retard would believe he was sincere Harvey Milk was sincere when he opposed it.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 03, 2014 12:41 PM (T0NGe)

340 329 He makes good ice cream. Posted by: Boss Mos


His chocolate ice cream is delicious.

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 03, 2014 12:41 PM (P1WNR)

341 anyway, i'm not a bit un-nerved that i think we are falling apart fast.
not.a. bit.

so perhaps hell with lising this 5 lbs and on with the stocking up fat for them starving me mode?

Posted by: willow at April 03, 2014 12:42 PM (nqBYe)

342 Posted by: fromabroad at April 03, 2014 04:40 PM (rnV3B) Wow, what an angry woman. Oh wait...you mean from abroad!

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 03, 2014 12:42 PM (4yFKY)

343 336 So, on a more serious note, meatballs tonight. Should I make pasta or go and get a loaf of Italian bread? Pizza & beer. Posted by: rickb223 at April 03, 2014 04:41 PM (h1D+w) You did not see the choices? Not an option.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 03, 2014 12:42 PM (CMkNk)

344 Gosh. Reading the comments over at the WSJ... It looks like they've lost a lot of subscribers of intelligence and thought. It's literally bickering gibberish back and forth. Even the snarkiest of snark and cynicism, here, makes some kind of sense.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: Sun Worshipper at April 03, 2014 12:42 PM (IXrOn)

345 Ooh, meatballs.

Posted by: HR at April 03, 2014 04:41 PM (ZKzrr)

I know right!  tell him bread!

Posted by: willow at April 03, 2014 12:42 PM (nqBYe)

346 I'm done with patients, at least civilian ones, till next Tuesday. I got to get a haircut and a drink

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 03, 2014 12:42 PM (t3UFN)

347 342 329 He makes good ice cream. Posted by: Boss Mos His chocolate ice cream is delicious. Posted by: Dr Spank at April 03, 2014 04:41 PM (P1WNR) I'd prefer a MADISON over a BREYER.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 03, 2014 12:43 PM (CMkNk)

348 Didn't this shit go down the sewer grate back when Soviet Russia fell apart?

Posted by: MTF at April 03, 2014 03:53 PM (LISuA)

 

Bad old ideas are viral in the old, pre-Internet sense of the word. They get buried under layers of ice, go dormant, and then reactivate when someone kicks at the crust.

 

As an aside, it occurs to me the Republic will die (soon) by an act of judicial interpetation. Who saw that coming?

Posted by: troyriser at April 03, 2014 12:43 PM (2jF2B)

349 You did not see the choices? Not an option. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 03, 2014 04:42 PM (CMkNk) Pizza and beer are ALWAYS an option.

Posted by: Bcochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 03, 2014 12:43 PM (GEICT)

350 In before the Thought Police show up

Posted by: The Obvious Sock at April 03, 2014 12:43 PM (W6iIX)

351 330 Ah, the argument that acknowledges that the legal profession is an extortion racket. Posted by: AmishDude at April 03, 2014 04:36 PM (T0NGe) Oh ffs. Yeah, that's it exactly. You nailed it. Congrats. Posted by: Bcochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 03, 2014 04:40 PM (GEICT) "You only hate us until you need us." Now say it using the voice of Vito Corleone.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 03, 2014 12:43 PM (T0NGe)

352 348 I'm done with patients, at least civilian ones, till next Tuesday. I got to get a haircut and a drink Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 03, 2014 04:42 PM (t3UFN) Which hair you going to cut?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 03, 2014 12:43 PM (CMkNk)

353 What do you think of the selfie from the missing airliner?

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 03, 2014 12:43 PM (bitz6)

354 Cinton appointee is right. Thanks for the pick up, polynikes and sorry for the error.

Posted by: RM at April 03, 2014 04:39 PM (fRppw)

 

easy to confuse him with Souter.  A bad pick based on Sununu's recommendation of  his  homestate New Hampshire relationship.  Souter soon took a left turn contrary to his previous history. 

Posted by: polynikes at April 03, 2014 12:43 PM (m2CN7)

355 Without hyperbole, this fascist, or at least akin to fascism. They believed that the collective was everything and that people could only benefit or enjoy freedom if the collective decided that it would be so, and then only if it benefited the collective.

Posted by: The Political Hat at April 03, 2014 12:44 PM (XvHmy)

356 351 You did not see the choices? Not an option. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 03, 2014 04:42 PM (CMkNk) Pizza and beer are ALWAYS an option. Posted by: Bcochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 03, 2014 04:43 PM (GEICT) I'm gout prone so beer is out. Better start making the dough, I guess.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 03, 2014 12:44 PM (CMkNk)

357 Reading the comments over at the WSJ... It looks like they've lost a lot of subscribers of intelligence and thought. It's literally bickering gibberish back and forth. All comments are that way. Including this one.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 03, 2014 12:44 PM (T0NGe)

358 All this pizza talk, thinking Dominos...

thanks a lot  

Or go graze for a few plates at Cici's

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 03, 2014 12:44 PM (1cFNy)

359 MTF: Nope. Thank the Frankfort School for that.

When the KGB fucks up an enemy country, it stays fucked up.

Posted by: Kristophr at April 03, 2014 12:44 PM (c6N69)

360 #233 Adjoran -- I endorse the sentiment completely. The good news is Sotomayor and Kagan, while young, aren't really in too good of health (Sotomayor is a diabetic for sure; Kagan is a fat fuck). The bad news is the malcontents on the right will go to the gulags screaming how they were "right" not to vote for "shitty candidates" because they are as dimwitted and short-sighted as the average lefty. Not all LIVs vote Dem.

Posted by: Dancing Queen at April 03, 2014 12:44 PM (MBZW0)

361

Posted by: sven10077 at April 03, 2014 04:39 PM (TE35l)

 

 

Don't go dark, and if you need any assistance get it.

And for once on this thread  I am not typing something with my tongue firmly implanted in my cheek.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Days of Rage Sale at the Outrage Outlet! at April 03, 2014 12:44 PM (hLRSq)

362 Disagreement with the Politburo is treason. Treason allows for the death penalty, right there in the Constitution. Have fun!!!

Posted by: the Great Purge (aka the Terror) at April 03, 2014 12:45 PM (XIXZz)

363 353 AmishDude at April 03, 2014 04:43 PM (T0NGe) Without people like us you fall into absolute total disorder.... now hand me another condom for the Xmas tree comrade... //Barrister V Corleone from San Francisco

Posted by: sven10077 at April 03, 2014 12:45 PM (TE35l)

364 Meatball pizza?

Posted by: HR at April 03, 2014 12:45 PM (ZKzrr)

365 bread, bread, bread, bread, bread BREAD!

Posted by: willow at April 03, 2014 12:46 PM (nqBYe)

366 363 Mikey NTH - Days of Rage Sale at the Outrage Outlet! at April 03, 2014 04:44 PM (hLRSq) "morose" more than dark.... I'll know more by the end of the month...*maybe*

Posted by: sven10077 at April 03, 2014 12:46 PM (TE35l)

367 I'm gout prone so beer is out. Better start making the dough, I guess. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 03, 2014 04:44 PM (CMkNk) HmmmÂ…..what booze goes with pizza? *slides a jack and coke over*

Posted by: Bcochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 03, 2014 12:46 PM (GEICT)

368 Gosh. Reading the comments over at the WSJ... It looks like they've lost a lot of subscribers of intelligence and thought. It's literally bickering gibberish back and forth. Even the snarkiest of snark and cynicism, here, makes some kind of sense. Posted by: artisanal 'ette Kind of sad isn't it? Here we are a bunch of Morons and we sound like Louis Rukeyser.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at April 03, 2014 12:46 PM (l3vZN)

369 Posted by: fromabroad at April 03, 2014 04:40 PM (rnV3B) ___________________ What's up Sugar Tits?

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 03, 2014 12:46 PM (32Ze2)

370 I aint going to Papa John's for that cheeseburger pizza.  One I can't stand the taste of the tomato sauce they use.  And cheeseburger?  Well um pass.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 03, 2014 12:47 PM (1cFNy)

371 The bad news is the malcontents on the right will go to the gulags screaming how they were "right" not to vote for "shitty candidates" because they are as dimwitted and short-sighted as the average lefty. I voted for all your shitty candidates and I'm still heading to the gulag. Which, by the way, the guys you are so keen to support aren't stopping, or trying to stop. They're trying to work with these people.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 03, 2014 12:47 PM (4yFKY)

372 Meatball recipe? I have been doing 3 to 5 meatloaves a week in the last year.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 03, 2014 12:47 PM (bitz6)

373 369 HmmmÂ…..what booze goes with pizza? *slides a jack and coke over* Posted by: Bcochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 03, 2014 04:46 PM (GEICT) Vino blanco o vino rosso.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 03, 2014 12:47 PM (CMkNk)

374 I'll give obama credit for this: he is fucking up so many things the fact the Israel and the Palis are about to go to War again and it's not news

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 03, 2014 12:47 PM (t3UFN)

375
Adjoran -- I endorse the sentiment completely....the malcontents on the right will go to the gulags screaming how they were "right" not to vote for "shitty candidates" because they are as dimwitted and short-sighted as the average lefty. Not all LIVs vote Dem.
Posted by: Dancing Queen




We have a consensus!

Help us Harriet Miers. You are our only hope.


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 03, 2014 12:47 PM (kdS6q)

376 bread, bread, bread, bread, bread BREAD!

Posted by: willow at April 03, 2014 04:46 PM (nqBYe)


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I found your diary underneath the tree......

Posted by: fixerupper at April 03, 2014 12:47 PM (nELVU)

377 I'd say "Mob rule, here we come", but it appears we've already "arrived".

Posted by: Eisenhorn at April 03, 2014 12:47 PM (CrJzY)

378 All comments are that way. Including this one. Posted by: AmishDude at April 03, 2014 04:44 PM (T0NGe) nah It's You're it! No, you're it! at least for this piece. Nothing that pertains to the article. I will admit, they picked up the "First!" "2!" "5!" bit from us... Never saw that before over there.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: Sun Worshipper at April 03, 2014 12:48 PM (IXrOn)

379 I voted for all your shitty candidates and I'm still heading to the gulag.

Which, by the way, the guys you are so keen to support aren't stopping, or trying to stop. They're trying to work with these people. Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 03, 2014 04:47 PM (4yFKY

amen

Posted by: willow at April 03, 2014 12:48 PM (nqBYe)

380

See.

 

I told you it was a mofo tax

Posted by: Justice Roberts at April 03, 2014 12:48 PM (W6iIX)

381 Vino blanco o vino rosso. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 03, 2014 04:47 PM (CMkNk) Yeah. If I struggle to pronounce it, I don't drink it.

Posted by: Bcochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 03, 2014 12:48 PM (GEICT)

382 I've been lurking honest injun' I am in a dark place on mortality and trying to spare my friends and frenemies here the melodrama.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 03, 2014 04:39 PM (TE35l)

 

Talk to someone, Sven.  You're not doing a service to those who care about you by not talking about it. And seek/get help.  Chronic and/or clinical depression is not a weakness of character. Trust me on this.

Posted by: troyriser at April 03, 2014 12:49 PM (2jF2B)

383 o fixerupper, you are pun-

ishing me.

Posted by: willow at April 03, 2014 12:49 PM (nqBYe)

384 The Israelis and Palis have been at war since 1948.

Obama just doesn't realize that the Israelis have decided that nothing he wants is of any benefit to them.

Posted by: Kristophr at April 03, 2014 12:49 PM (c6N69)

385 I'd like to hear Gabe on this, as he's a legal professional. As a legal professional myself, I think the case against Breyer may be a little overstated here. Don't get me wrong, I disagree with the dissent. Also, Breyer, Ginsburg, Sotomayor, and Kagan are dangerous Justices in many ways; but I tend to believe the view of speech the dissent articulated in this case is limited to campaign finance issues. Otherwise, I'm not sure the Justices who made up yesterday's dissent could have held as they did in Snyder v. Phelps, 562 U.S ___ (2011). And that's just one example.

Second, I have a radical idea. As a libertarian, I think people should be able to hire, fire, or refuse service to anyone for any reason--or no reason. But since the people who disagree with me most on that seem to be of the position that anyone who doesn't hold their political and cultural views does not deserve to be employed, might it be a worthwhile endeavor, on a state level, to pursue anti-discrimination laws that protect political views?

Posted by: Mr Estrada at April 03, 2014 12:49 PM (4oWMT)

386 Is sugar tits a moby or not? Hard to tell.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 03, 2014 12:49 PM (ZPrif)

387

Has anyone noted that Letterman is retiring in 2015?

 

He retired 20  years  ago.

 

 

So the great national  douche-search  commences to replace The Douche of Latenite.

Posted by: eleven at April 03, 2014 12:50 PM (fsLdt)

388
Casey's.Taco.Pizza

nomnomnomnomnom

Posted by: fixerupper at April 03, 2014 12:50 PM (nELVU)

389 I'll give obama credit for this: he is fucking up so many things the fact the Israel and the Palis are about to go to War again and it's not news Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 03, 2014 04:47 PM (t3UFN) Will Kerry quit like Hillary did? He's looking pretty forlorn lately. Tired and giving up mode.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: Sun Worshipper at April 03, 2014 12:50 PM (IXrOn)

390 346

Gosh.

Reading the comments over at the WSJ...

It looks like they've lost a lot of subscribers of intelligence and thought. It's literally bickering gibberish back and forth.

Even the snarkiest of snark and cynicism, here, makes some kind of sense.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: Sun Worshipper at April 03, 2014 04:42 PM (IXrOn)


I think there's a lot of sockpuppets trying to shape opinion on all larger forums.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at April 03, 2014 12:50 PM (AWmfW)

391 Sadly, in this fallen world, rights are what you can, and are willing, to die defending.

Posted by: toby928© at April 03, 2014 12:50 PM (QupBk)

392 "Second, I have a radical idea. As a libertarian, I think people should be able to hire, fire, or refuse service to anyone for any reason--or no reason" The CEO of Mozilla was also one of the founders of Mozilla, which I remembered in 1994 or something like that. We are not talking about a bunch of faggots having a waiter fired, we are talking about so much pressure from the fanatics that a CEO, FOUNDER of the company was forced to leave! I hope you are a 7 digit super mega manager, more powerful than this guy otherwise you should fear for your posts here.

Posted by: fromabroad at April 03, 2014 12:50 PM (rnV3B)

393 Posted by: fromabroad at April 03, 2014 04:40 PM (rnV3B) Good points. But no, I think the Islamics are going to win that struggle.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 03, 2014 12:50 PM (bb5+k)

394 "I have been doing 3 to 5 meatloaves a week in the last year." Posted by: Boss Moss at April 03, 2014 04:47 PM (bitz6) You may have a meatloaf problem. I would talk to someone about this.

Posted by: jwest at April 03, 2014 12:51 PM (u2a4R)

395 The only response to Breyer should be, "Uh, you talk like a fag, and your shit's all retarded..."

Natural Rights remain a foreign concept to these tyrants which is to say, even if you're atheist or agnostic (which I am), you damn well better get on the religious bandwagon to fight these super-secularists who aim to destroy individual freedom. They are going after the final refuges of liberty - freedom of thought and from tyranny - which has ultimately been the last organized threat against government.

As a sidenote, despite the trending from the political right to distance itself from social issues lest it "upset the middle," it better stop. A free society simply cannot split social issues from the platform. They are essential. I used to think they weren't. Watching the Progressives divide and conquer the institutions, I'm finding they are pushing us to absolute government authority. Expunging religion remains one of the their (and the Communists') goals.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at April 03, 2014 12:51 PM (1CroS)

396 o fixerupper, you are pun-

ishing me.

Posted by: willow at April 03, 2014 04:49 PM (nqBYe)

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If a picture paints a thousands words.....

Posted by: fixerupper at April 03, 2014 12:51 PM (nELVU)

397 Casey's.Taco.Pizza

I keep telling myself I'm going to drive over the county seat and get one.

Posted by: HR at April 03, 2014 12:51 PM (ZKzrr)

398 Casey's.Taco.Pizza nomnomnomnomnom Posted by: fixerupper at April 03, 2014 04:50 PM (nELVU) thx for reminder I have to go start my sheperd's pie. MEAT!

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: Sun Worshipper at April 03, 2014 12:51 PM (IXrOn)

399

Treid Papa Jons once.

 

Key word being "once."

 

As I recal way too garlicky.

Posted by: eleven at April 03, 2014 12:52 PM (fsLdt)

400 384 troyriser at April 03, 2014 04:49 PM (2jF2B) I eish it were that dramatic it'd be a compelling story. I'm just making peace with "yes you really are going to be 42 your health is slowly starting to decline and the world is devolving." I'm ok...I have a shrink and a psychologist in my rolodex so to speak. Thanks though Troy.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 03, 2014 12:52 PM (TE35l)

401 I have a radical idea. As a libertarian, I think people should be able to hire, fire, or refuse service to anyone for any reason--or no reason. There is inequal application to our detriment under the current system. Basically, the left's ideology must be favored under the current ruleset. The courts will decide that way and the media will slant things that way. Teachers will indoctrinate that way. While we were sleeping, the other side was not.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 03, 2014 12:52 PM (4yFKY)

402 So who gets Letterman's spot? Really doubt it's the Scot, though I like him.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 03, 2014 12:52 PM (ZPrif)

403 Is anything worse than Cici's?

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 03, 2014 12:53 PM (bitz6)

404 bread, bread, bread, bread, bread BREAD Spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam,

Posted by: rickb223 at April 03, 2014 12:53 PM (h1D+w)

405 //The CEO of Mozilla was also one of the founders of Mozilla, which I remembered in 1994 or something like that. We are not talking about a bunch of faggots having a waiter fired, we are talking about so much pressure from the fanatics that a CEO, FOUNDER of the company was forced to leave!//

Hence, my idea.

Posted by: Mr Estrada at April 03, 2014 12:53 PM (4oWMT)

406 The Israelis and Palis have been at war since 1948. Obama just doesn't realize that the Israelis have decided that nothing he wants is of any benefit to them. Posted by: Kristophr at April 03, 2014 04:49 PM (c6N69) It's about to get worse. The Palis are going to try and Unilaterally go to the UN and I am not so sure what kind of support obama/USA will be for Israel. obama/kerry have come out and basically said Israel will be on their own. Then there will be a new Intifada and with Syria going south and gaza about to implode also with pressure from Egypt, things are going to get very uncomfortable over there.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 03, 2014 12:53 PM (t3UFN)

407

You may have a meatloaf problem

 

I thought the problem was the Meatloaf posting at the Federalist.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at April 03, 2014 12:53 PM (JtwS4)

408 "I've been lurking honest injun' I am in a dark place on mortality and trying to spare my friends and frenemies here the melodrama." Posted by: sven10077 at April 03, 2014 04:39 PM (TE35l) Sven, You know I'm here for you, buddy. Now, what's your meatloaf intake been lately? There's something going around.

Posted by: jwest at April 03, 2014 12:53 PM (u2a4R)

409 I spel nise.

Posted by: eleven at April 03, 2014 12:54 PM (fsLdt)

410 Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 03, 2014 04:37 PM (1cFNy) dang. i was just warming up the "HE IS NOT OF THE BODY!!!" post ...

Posted by: Adriane... at April 03, 2014 12:54 PM (qoKTg)

411 @401: way too garlicky

Um, this is impossible, yes?

(Not vouching for Papa John's *blech*, just Moar Garlic)

Posted by: Jabari at April 03, 2014 12:54 PM (gyNYk)

412 Is anything worse than Cici's? Totino's. But not by much.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 03, 2014 12:54 PM (h1D+w)

413 So who gets Letterman's spot? Some fuckin liberal that I will not watch so who the fuck cares?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 03, 2014 12:54 PM (t3UFN)

414 I keep telling myself I'm going to drive over the county seat and get one.

Posted by: HR at April 03, 2014 04:51 PM (ZKzrr)


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Do.It.   You are in for a treat.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 03, 2014 12:54 PM (nELVU)

415 Maybe the former CEO of Mozilla can build a new browser.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 03, 2014 12:54 PM (bitz6)

416 405 Is anything worse than Cici's? Posted by: Boss Moss at April 03, 2014 04:53 PM (bitz6) Hungry Howie's

Posted by: Bcochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 03, 2014 12:54 PM (GEICT)

417 403 Bevel Lemelisk at April 03, 2014 04:52 PM (4yFKY) Which means sadly it may well be time to become what we behold and be just as ruthless which undermines the collective fabric of our citizenry. Get it when I said "what nation?" We quit being a nation when the left decided their temper tantrum over recounts 2000 was the new baseline national rules for manners.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 03, 2014 12:54 PM (TE35l)

418

>>>369 HmmmÂ…..what booze goes with pizza?

What booze DOESN'T go with pizza?

 

And if they don't mix well in your stomach, stop eating the pizza.

Posted by: LibertarianJim at April 03, 2014 12:55 PM (CMbMd)

419 Is this a tell for the coming Hobby Lobby ruling?

Posted by: no good deed at April 03, 2014 12:55 PM (ILBCY)

420 As I recal way too garlicky.

Posted by: eleven at April 03, 2014 04:52 PM (fsLdt)

 

Which is funny because they provide a side of garlic  butter  sauce for dipping with the  pizza.  

Posted by: polynikes at April 03, 2014 12:55 PM (m2CN7)

421 My meatloaf problem is ground beef is too damn high to make it anymore.

Posted by: eleven at April 03, 2014 12:55 PM (fsLdt)

422 And if they don't mix well in your stomach, stop eating the pizza. Posted by: LibertarianJim at April 03, 2014 04:55 PM (CMbMd) Pizza is a good liner

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 03, 2014 12:55 PM (t3UFN)

423 410 jwest at April 03, 2014 04:53 PM (u2a4R) "nil".... actually been eating healthier for about three weeks... it takes effort but everything does.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 03, 2014 12:55 PM (TE35l)

424 risk, i'm pretending to be a voice standing behind JJsefton  yet he will make pasta while saying he knew what i meant all along.

like a spouse.

isn't that how it is?


Posted by: willow at April 03, 2014 12:56 PM (nqBYe)

425 rick*even

Posted by: willow at April 03, 2014 12:56 PM (nqBYe)

426 "But the truth is that it is only by believing in God that we can ever criticize the Government. Once abolish the God, and the Government becomes the God. The fact is written all across human history; but it is written more plainly across that recent history of Russia; which was created by Lenin. There the Government is the God, and all the more the God, because it proclaims aloud in accents of thunder, like every other God worth worshiping, the one essential commandment: "Thou shalt have no other gods before Me."

...The truth is that Irreligion is the opium of the people. Wherever the people do not believe in something beyond the world, they will worship the world. But, above all, they will worship the strongest thing in the world. And, by the very nature of the Bolshevist and many other modern systems, as well as by the practical working of almost any system, the State will be strongest thing in the world. The whole tendency of men is to treat the solitary State as the solitary standard. That men may protest against law, it is necessary that they should believe in justice; that they may believe in justice beyond law, it is necessary that they should believe in a justice beyond the land of living men. You can impose the rule of the Bolshevist as you can impose the rule of the Bourbons; but it is equally an imposition. You can even make its subjects contented, as opium would make them contented. But if you are to have anything like divine discontent, then it must really be divine. Anything that really comes from below must really come from above." - G.K.Chesterton

Posted by: Something at April 03, 2014 12:56 PM (pQJEV)

427 too much garlic?

never .
or cilantro.

Posted by: willow at April 03, 2014 12:57 PM (nqBYe)

428 423 Sam's Club has 90 10 for $3.18/pound. I also check Kroger for markdowns. Higher prices lead to unsold meat.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 03, 2014 12:57 PM (bitz6)

429 Totino's. But not by much. Posted by: rickb223 at April 03, 2014 04:54 PM (h1D+w) ___________________ Hahahaha..... 2 frozen pies for $3. Can't beat it. My Mom went to school with Jean Totino back when the Totino's only had one restaurant in NE Mpls.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 03, 2014 12:57 PM (32Ze2)

430 I like the new hash I have.

1 Cees FfiN whY

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 03, 2014 12:57 PM (1cFNy)

431 Breyer signed onto the majority opinion in Romer v. Evans, where the Supreme Court said Colorado can't throw decline to offer homosexuals protection as a class, because that would mean "They can obtain specific protection against discrimination only by enlisting the citizenry of Colorado to amend the state constitution or perhaps, on the State's view, by trying to pass helpful laws of general applicability. " Oh, the horror. People who want new law have to actually rally the hoi polloi. How un-American. So much for protecting a system where your speech MATTERS.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at April 03, 2014 12:57 PM (5xmd7)

432

Which is funny because they provide a side of garlic butter sauce for dipping with the pizza.

 

It's been so long  they might have changed their recipe 5 times since then.

Posted by: eleven at April 03, 2014 12:58 PM (fsLdt)

433 Boss Moss: Or maybe he will just sell his stock, buy a stack of gold in Singapore repository, renounce his US citizenship, and then make a new browser with a company in a sane country.

Or just go completely Galt, and have sweet young things bring him drinks all day while he sits on a coral sand beach.

Either works.

Posted by: Kristophr at April 03, 2014 12:58 PM (c6N69)

434 Posted by: Something at April 03, 2014 04:56 PM (pQJEV) I like this.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 03, 2014 12:58 PM (T0NGe)

435 Is this a tell for the coming Hobby Lobby ruling? I lean more towards battlespace preparation for the "only journolistas are officially protected by the First Amendment" decision that just happens to exclude bloggers. That's coming.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 03, 2014 12:58 PM (0HooB)

436

Posted by: sven10077 at

 

Sven, I started that lifting program that Instapundit is always harping about.

 

It is called Starting Strength, I feel better than I have in years and I'm looking at 50yo right in the face

 

Squat and Dead Lift are both up over 100 pounds since January

 

 

Posted by: The Obvious Sock at April 03, 2014 12:58 PM (W6iIX)

437 I've been eating the Turkey Meatloaf from Randall's deli  ( A Safeway Grocery store in Houston) after hesitantly accepting a recommedation to try it.    It is delicious.  More so on Friday's when they sell it for 5.00. 

Posted by: polynikes at April 03, 2014 12:58 PM (m2CN7)

438 430 423 "Sam's Club has 90 10 for $3.18/pound." Don't you find it a little dry using 90/10?

Posted by: jwest at April 03, 2014 12:58 PM (u2a4R)

439 risk, i'm pretending to be a voice standing behind JJsefton yet he will make pasta while saying he knew what i meant all along. like a spouse. isn't that how it is? So, you are telling him how he's doing it all wrong?? Sounds about right. :-)

Posted by: rickb223 at April 03, 2014 12:59 PM (h1D+w)

440 Brendan Eich has stepped down from his brief tenure as Mozilla's CEO

So these little shit fuckers got another scalp, huh? Okay, I'm done here. I'm usually opposed to boycotts and such but the only way to teach these pieces o human debris a lesson is to beat them with a 2 x 4. Rhetorically speaking. If I find out that a business owner a) voted for Barry or b) supported ANY group that I don't like (Planned Parenthood), I will stop shopping there. And I will try and convince as many of my friends to do the same. When one of my lefty friends says "But-but-but this will hurt someone's livelihood" I will turn around, drop trou and fart into their face. I mean it. I have enough of this shit being shoved down my throat because I'm a live and let live guy. Screw that. I want these little rat turns standing the street corner begging for change so that I can eat a big steak hoagie in front of them before driving off.

Posted by: physics geek at April 03, 2014 12:59 PM (MT22W)

441 400 Casey's.Taco.Pizza nomnomnomnomnom Posted by: fixerupper at April 03, 2014 04:50 PM (nELVU) thx for reminder I have to go start my sheperd's pie. MEAT! Oh glorious food !!! Shepherd's pie !!!! Love this stuff !!!! ( sounds of stomach growling )

Posted by: Extremely grumpy momma bear at April 03, 2014 12:59 PM (9GOt8)

442 OK.  I guess that I have to think about using something other than Firefox. 

Any suggestions?


Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at April 03, 2014 12:59 PM (V70Uh)

443 Second, I have a radical idea. As a libertarian, I think people should be able to hire, fire, or refuse service to anyone for any reason--or no reason. But since the people who disagree with me most on that seem to be of the position that anyone who doesn't hold their political and cultural views does not deserve to be employed, might it be a worthwhile endeavor, on a state level, to pursue anti-discrimination laws that protect political views? Posted by: Mr Estrada at April 03, 2014 04:40 PM (4oWMT) When you are a hammer, everything looks like a nail. LOL! Actually, no I would not be in favor of this. It's just another legal line that allow all sorts of prohibitions on terminating a bad employee("they fired me because I sent $20 to GLAAD). What Eich found out was who he was really working for. A bunch of leftist progressives who want to control everyone's thoughts and expressions. A COLLECTIVIST group. If I were him, getting out of there is probably the best thing that could have happened to him personally. What needs to change isn't so much the left's need to promote the gay lifestyle, but the realization that in joining the collectivist bandwagon, one is advocating less freedom not more. This really is simply a bright light shining on a problem that gay marriage being forced on Americans through judges and intimidation by mobs is a symptom of a greater problem, the willing loss of freedom in order to belong....

Posted by: Jen at April 03, 2014 01:00 PM (IdGqX)

444 Freedom of the press should be collective also.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 03, 2014 01:00 PM (bitz6)

445 "Harvey Milk was sincere when he opposed it." Harvey Milk is dead and buried. Unfortunately for you he did not make it to the president, asshole Obama did. Continuing to bring up this 'Obama was against buttsecs' when 90% of conservatives probably thinks he is an homo himself reeks of massive stupidity. He lied on everything to get elected, he was photographed going to church (a non-black-theology church), how fake is that! And 200% of leftists always knew he was in favour of ghey marriage but kept it hidden to get elected in case some portions of the negro population would stay at home (they were also sure 99% of blacks will never vote for a republican anyway). What is disgusting is that the boat has sailed so long ago that probably people like Rand Paul or Rick Perry would truly believe in traditional marriage but he has to camouflage his beliefs into saying it is a federal issue, that is because the pussyfication of the right made traditional marriage defense completely TOXIC. Say what you want about old Europe, but at least somewhere we have protested against this lunacy, you raised the white flag immediately. I can still hope Russia invade some more land, bringing with it some sense. What is the problem with you people? Recent polls at the BBC said that regardless if fag marriage, in the UK 22% of people said they would never go to a ghey marriage if invited. Ask the genius residents here, ACE would line up to throw rice at Dick&Harry.

Posted by: fromabroad at April 03, 2014 01:00 PM (rnV3B)

446 The Mozilla people, upon Eich's resignation, dared to declare: "Our culture of openness extends to encouraging staff and community to share their beliefs and opinions in public. " http://tinyurl.com/o2w3rhj

Posted by: The Political Hat at April 03, 2014 01:00 PM (XvHmy)

447 "only journolistas are officially protected by the First Amendment"

Crap, I forgot about that one.

Posted by: no good deed at April 03, 2014 01:00 PM (ILBCY)

448 383 Yeah. If I struggle to pronounce it, I don't drink it. Posted by: Bcochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 03, 2014 04:48 PM (GEICT) Red or white wine! Too tired to make dough and pasta's too heavy. Italian bread. Ciao, mein Volksgemeinschaft sitzenpinlers.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 03, 2014 01:00 PM (CMkNk)

449 So, you are telling him how he's doing it all wrong??
Sounds about right. :-)

Posted by: rickb223 at April 03, 2014 04:59 PM (h1D+w)

alright..


raises eyebrow.

Posted by: willow at April 03, 2014 01:01 PM (nqBYe)

450 Every browser is built by companies that would fire a CEO that opposed gay marriage.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 03, 2014 01:01 PM (ZPrif)

451 439 The Obvious Sock at April 03, 2014 04:58 PM (W6iIX) Yeah I have a tower 200, I am trying to hold off on getting back to exercise hard b/c I am getting my heart mapped out next week on a stress test. I want to make sure there is not a mechanical deficiency before I try to get back to 2/3ds peak me as it were.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 03, 2014 01:01 PM (TE35l)

452

I've been eating the Turkey Meatloaf from Randall's deli ( A Safeway Grocery store in Houston) after hesitantly accepting a recommedation to try it. It is delicious. More so on Friday's when they sell it for 5.00.

 

I'll give it a shot.  Meatloaf is good eats.

Posted by: eleven at April 03, 2014 01:01 PM (fsLdt)

453 Nood

Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at April 03, 2014 01:01 PM (bCEmE)

454 Tschuss Herr Sefton!

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 03, 2014 01:01 PM (1cFNy)

455 453 Costanza Defense at April 03, 2014 05:01 PM (ZPrif) You are correct CD which is why I am planning on going neo-luddite when wife gets out of the force except for work. These people are going to politicize toilet paper for fuck's sakes.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 03, 2014 01:02 PM (TE35l)

456 GrmpaJumbo when you find out let me know, i also asked that question.


Posted by: willow at April 03, 2014 01:02 PM (nqBYe)

457

Old and busted: Arbeit macht frei.

 

New Hotness: The government will make you free by taking away that messy liberty.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at April 03, 2014 01:02 PM (b2cFu)

458 Obviously the modern campus is a hive of speech control rules and regulations -- mostly under Hate Speech and Diversity guidelines. Wait until the Little Eichmanns graduate expecting the rest of the country to run the same way, and then get into positions of power. Or has it already happened?

Posted by: Socratease at April 03, 2014 01:02 PM (82qVG)

459 441 Yes. I like Meatloaf with all three grades of ground beef. The fatter kind is soupy. 80 20 is probably the best. Nice loaves that don't become too hard.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 03, 2014 01:03 PM (bitz6)

460 Arbeit macht frei never gets old.

The Fed is using that one right now.

Posted by: Kristophr at April 03, 2014 01:03 PM (c6N69)

461 "Our culture of openness extends to encouraging staff and community to share their beliefs and opinions in public. " Posted by: The Political Hat at April 03, 2014 05:00 PM (XvHmy) fnord (XvHmy) Of *course* comments are closed. It's such an obvious lie. "We drive out the Hated Other over old political donations because we love freedom of expression! DERP! DERPDERP!" They support it when you share *their* opinions, not when you share *your* opinions.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at April 03, 2014 01:03 PM (qyfb5)

462 453 Every browser is built by companies that would fire a CEO that opposed gay marriage. Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 03, 2014 05:01 PM (ZPrif) I only uninstalled the one that did. For the same reason Mozilla took this action: pour encourager les autres

Posted by: AmishDude at April 03, 2014 01:03 PM (T0NGe)

463 428 --- Nice quotation. And AMEN to it.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 03, 2014 01:03 PM (dfYL9)

464 445 Grampa Jimbo at April 03, 2014 04:59 PM (V70Uh) go back to Microsoft I guess, I was a huge fan of nightly Mozilla's Beta browser...but I simply can't reward them for their fascism and that *is* what this is.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 03, 2014 01:04 PM (TE35l)

465 Still think the Putin fan is a moby.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 03, 2014 01:04 PM (ZPrif)

466 No one fuc*ing fights back. Eich didn't have to resign. He could have fought. But he didn't. Apparently he wasn't really serious about his convictions. Not as serious as the Left.

Posted by: rrpjr at April 03, 2014 01:04 PM (s/yC1)

467 OT:  Last night, Re-Education Camp Inmate #00000001  Sarah Palin stomped Bill Clinton in the Late Night Show  Nielson's  TN(Palin)  3.0/7, DL  2.5/6, JKL(Slick) 2.4/6

Posted by: mrp at April 03, 2014 01:04 PM (JBggj)

468 I run Mozilla and Internet Explorer. Firefox morphs some pages and hides search boxes sometimes.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 03, 2014 01:04 PM (bitz6)

469 OK. I guess that I have to think about using something other than Firefox.

Any suggestions?
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo

Another fellow Moron™ suggested SWare Iron. It's a Chrome variant that supposedly stripped out all of the Google spyware.

srware.net/en/software_srware_iron.php

You can use the Chrome plug-ins like Ad-Block for Chrome as well.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i][/b] at April 03, 2014 01:04 PM (TB4sJ)

470 I think this is the third time today I posted after the nood.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at April 03, 2014 01:04 PM (qyfb5)

471 468 Costanza Defense at April 03, 2014 05:04 PM (ZPrif) Maybe, maybe not. I am a Pution fan to a degree... yes he is an asshole communist who "reformed" but he is open and loves his country. Ogabe not so much.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 03, 2014 01:05 PM (TE35l)

472 //Actually, no I would not be in favor of this. It's just another legal line that allow all sorts of prohibitions on terminating a bad employee("they fired me because I sent $20 to GLAAD).//

Concern duly noted. I'm not sure I support the idea myself, but I'm batting it around in my head. The thing is, the discrimination would still have to be proven--and we'd be able to play the same game. Besides, we're the ones who are the targets of this kind of crap, not the progs.

Posted by: Mr Estrada at April 03, 2014 01:06 PM (4oWMT)

473

I think this is the third time today I posted after the nood.

 

Don't take it personally like I do.

Posted by: eleven at April 03, 2014 01:06 PM (fsLdt)

474

Posted by: sven10077 at April

 

I quit my cardio workout in January so I could focus on barbells.

 

I just started up the cardio program last week after 6+ weeks off.

 

It was so easy.

 

Getting under or pulling on a frickin heavy barbell does wonders for your heart/conditioning.

 

I almost trippled the amount of time I could do at a heart rate of 160-170BPM, which is righ about max for my age at the charts Ive seen

 

 

Posted by: The Obvious Sock at April 03, 2014 01:06 PM (W6iIX)

475 1) Subscribe to First Things (magazine) 2) Read this month's essay on consensus liberalism

Posted by: StubbleSpark at April 03, 2014 01:07 PM (mbKYM)

476 "Wow, what an angry woman. " what can I tell you buddy, stay with your delicate faggot friends, I am sure you will be fine.

Posted by: fromabroad at April 03, 2014 01:09 PM (rnV3B)

477 Like it or not, Putin is stupidly popular in Russia.

He advances only Russian interests, and kicked a bunch of Euro Central Bank backed oligarchs out of his country.

I would love to see a US President with the balls to back US interests, and burn the Federal Reserve to the ground.

Sven: He's former KGB. Simple. He will do whatever advances Russia. Including shitcanning communism. He did what he did because he knew he could get away with it with Mom-Jeans running the US.

Posted by: Kristophr at April 03, 2014 01:10 PM (c6N69)

478 What the hell is "collective speech"? 

Posted by: Cornfed at April 03, 2014 01:14 PM (Hoy9u)

479 I stopped using Firefox months ago because it lagged and crashed opening the simplest of sites even with Adblock on. Good riddance. I hope I remember to have some cake the day I hear their market share is single digits.

Posted by: Just AGuy at April 03, 2014 01:14 PM (5tHN/)

480 "Concern duly noted. I'm not sure I support the idea myself, but I'm batting it around in my head. The thing is, the discrimination would still have to be proven--and we'd be able to play the same game. Besides, we're the ones who are the targets of this kind of crap, not the progs." Estrada, you still do not get it. You can create all the protection laws you want, some asshole donates to PP or GLAAD and he is fired from the job, judges will scream bloody murder and the company will be blacklisted and boycotted (IRS is 90% composed of leftists remember?). You are fired for donating to the church and no judge will ever bother to hear your case and no conservative will stand up for you. Get it? Gramsci in his Marxist theories wrote that to own a country you do not need to be president or prime minister. It is only enough that you infiltrate the 3 cardinal points of life: school, the law system and media. Conservatives fare pretty bad on all three. Your law will only defend leftist firings. Not you.

Posted by: fromabroad at April 03, 2014 01:16 PM (rnV3B)

481 When we went from being a Republic to a Democracy, it was the start of all this and the beginning of the end. Subtle shifts like this result in massive swings.

Posted by: Damiano at April 03, 2014 01:16 PM (j0wOO)

482 The Mozilla people, upon Eich's resignation, dared to declare: "Our culture of openness extends to encouraging staff and community to share their beliefs and opinions in public. " The irony, it burnsssss ussss.

Posted by: toby928© at April 03, 2014 01:17 PM (QupBk)

483 The fascist gay lobby doesn't know the sh*t storm that is brewing against them. I've gone from militant "I could care less what you do in your bedroom" to "I will NEVER hire you". Eich should have stayed, but of course, he bailed. So, a $1,000 contribution to a political campaign can get you FIRED? This is America in 2014? I've never seen fascism so blatant.

Posted by: rightwingva at April 03, 2014 01:18 PM (kCnae)

484 So let me get this straight, my browser options are: Chrome: evil Google empire info collector Firefox: opponents of free speech and cowardly witch hunters Safari: lefty company Explorer: virus infested browser from company whose founder's mom was a planned parenthood shill Navigator: RIP, Microsoft killed Guess I will go back to using Safari? Lesser of the evils.

Posted by: LizLem at April 03, 2014 01:18 PM (/6Aqt)

485 There is still Opera, but being Norwegian you can pretty much be sure they are very much on the left side of the spectrum

Posted by: fromabroad at April 03, 2014 01:20 PM (rnV3B)

486 Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 03, 2014 05:04 PM (TB4sJ) Will check out, thanks for tip

Posted by: LizLem at April 03, 2014 01:20 PM (/6Aqt)

487 "486 The fascist gay lobby doesn't know the sh*t storm that is brewing against them. " Ace is going to beat them with his purse?

Posted by: fromabroad at April 03, 2014 01:21 PM (rnV3B)

488 //Your law will only defend leftist firings. Not you.//

That depends on the state and the jury.

Anyway, the law can only be applied to us anyway, since it's only leftists who are intent on making everyone else not a leftist unemployed.

Posted by: Mr Estrada at April 03, 2014 01:21 PM (4oWMT)

489 No one fuc*ing fights back. Eich didn't have to resign. He could have fought. But he didn't. Apparently he wasn't really serious about his convictions. Not as serious as the Left. Posted by: rrpjr at April 03, 2014 05:04 PM (s/yC1) Some things must need to be repeated., Eich could either resign or be voted out. Either way, he was gone. CEO's don't get to decide to "fight". They can sue later for contract obligations, but they don't get to still be in the glass office. It was stated earlier in the week that when he was named CEO, three board members immediately resigned(it was intimated that it was because of his support of traditional marriage). Don't be surprised if it is learned later that these BOD members instigated the petition. You cannot function as a company when you have open hostility from your employees regarding your position as CEO. Had the company simply fired the employees a class action suit would have taken certainly taken place challenging the firing on merit. i'm not saying the employees would have won, but imagine the morale of other employees in this situation. Add in a BOD who doesn't support you and the writing is on the wall. Steve Jobs lost his position with Apple despite being a cofounder when the BOD forced him out. From Wiki "While Jobs was a persuasive and charismatic director for Apple, some of his employees from that time described him as an erratic and temperamental manager. Disappointing sales caused a deterioration in Jobs's working relationship with Sculley, which devolved into a power struggle between the two.[81] Jobs kept meetings running past midnight, sent out lengthy faxes, then called new meetings at 7:00 am.[82] During an April 10 & 11 board meeting, Apple's board of directors gave Sculley the authority to remove Jobs from all roles, except chairman, to reassign him to an undetermined position. John delayed a reassignment. But when Sculley learned that Jobs—who believed Sculley to be "bad for Apple" and the wrong person to lead the company—had been attempting to organize a boardroom coup, on May 24, 1985, called a board meeting to resolve the matter. Apple's board of directors sided with Sculley once again and removed Jobs from his managerial duties as head of the Macintosh division. With no duties and exiled from the rest of the company to an otherwise-empty building, Jobs stopped coming to work and later resigned as chairman.[81][83][84] After unsuccessfully applying to fly on the Space Shuttle as a civilian astronaut, and briefly considering starting a computer company in the Soviet Union,[85] he resigned from Apple five months later.[81] In a speech Jobs gave at Stanford University in 2005, he said being fired from Apple was the best thing that could have happened to him; "The heaviness of being successful was replaced by the lightness of being a beginner again, less sure about everything. It freed me to enter one of the most creative periods of my life." And he added, "I'm pretty sure none of this would have happened if I hadn't been fired from Apple. It was awful-tasting medicine, but I guess the patient needed it."[52][86][87]"

Posted by: Jen at April 03, 2014 01:22 PM (IdGqX)

490 491 "That depends on the state and the jury. " how close we are to having threats to jury 'on the wrong side of history'? and please do not tell me that this will never happen. "since it's only leftists who are intent on making everyone else not a leftist unemployed." and god forbid any conservative business doing the same! that would be unfair. Be happy to be fair and wiped off the map.

Posted by: fromabroad at April 03, 2014 01:24 PM (rnV3B)

491 Yet America proudly votes for left wing fascists who will strip us of our free speech rights as soon as they get a few more votes on the supreme court.

Posted by: Dan at April 03, 2014 01:26 PM (COpZ4)

492 First of all, I just removed Mozilla Firefox from my computer. Secondly, since gay people in America only number less than 5 per cent, I demand that they STFU. The collective (Borg?) now has the right to shut up minority opinions that they don't like, according to Breyer, and I don't think the homosexual agenda flows in the direction of mainstream America.

Posted by: TimothyJ at April 03, 2014 01:27 PM (ep2io)

493 Curse words.  I see my rage-o-meter is still operational.  Please show me in the original documents where the Founders hinted at it being a collective right, and I'll call you an idiot, or worse and more truthfully, a subversive of the United States.  And then prove it.  The Founders made it the 1st Amendment for a reason.  They then made the 2nd Amendment for a reason.  Forgive my soul, but may these people rot in hell.

Posted by: dogfish at April 03, 2014 01:30 PM (nsOJa)

494 "While Jobs was a persuasive and charismatic director for Apple, some of his employees from that time described him as an erratic and temperamental manager. Disappointing sales caused a deterioration in Jobs's working relationship with Sculley, which devolved into a power struggle between the two" Jen I hope you understand the difference between being removed from your job for the above reasons and being removed because you have donated 1000$ to prop8. I mentioned being a founder also because Mozilla was not as big and massive as Microsoft or Apple. I believed there was still a different mentality there but I was wrong. for the few people that do not believe double standards applies, there are several reports of Amazon warehouses in Germany and other parts of Europe that show employees being victimized, underpaid and controlled when they go to the toilet, but I never read an article in the USA against Bezos, why? Bezos donated 1 million dollar to gay advertisement in Washington state. See? one set of rules for semi-conservatives, another one for leftists. They effectively became the mafia, to be able to work you must donate to some leftist pet cause. Disgusting.

Posted by: fromabroad at April 03, 2014 01:31 PM (rnV3B)

495 Not funny "ha ha" but funny queer, well not that anymore either but odd, is that Mozilla's new "different standard" is to goosestep right along with the rest of the liberals.  I really dislike Google's omnipresence, but there must be a reason I have slowing migrating over.  At least they are honest about destroying privacy as we know it.  Fuck you Mozilla, enjoy the slide to Netscapeland.

Posted by: dogfish at April 03, 2014 01:38 PM (nsOJa)

496 @497 - Amazon's warehouse operations have taken a certain amount of bad press in the US but seldom does it end up in Bezos-bashing. I do not deal wtih Apple in any way, shape, or form because they've embraced the warmist lunacy to the extent of paying money for handjobs from Al Gore and Lisa Jackson. I know Google's just as bad, as are several other tech firms...

Posted by: JEM at April 03, 2014 01:41 PM (o+SC1)

497 No one fuc*ing fights back. Eich didn't have to resign. He could have fought. But he didn't. Apparently he wasn't really serious about his convictions. Not as serious as the Left. Posted by: rrpjr at April 03, 2014 05:04 PM (s/yC1) Well you and I will never be hired to run a corporation on behalf of a Board. Those guys know they have a limited careerspan, and it's their mission to maximize earnings. He can stick it out until he's fired, for no extra money, and probably less, or, take a golden parachute and go on to the next job. That does undermine a setup where the victim of economic repression is actually presumed to complain...

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at April 03, 2014 01:45 PM (5xmd7)

498 But the masks are now all coming off now. The dork is a native of San Francisco. Excluding myself and a few others, most of the people from there seem to be idiots. (Jerry Brown being one of them)

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at April 03, 2014 01:59 PM (vd7A8)

499 for the few people that do not believe double standards applies, there are several reports of Amazon warehouses in Germany and other parts of Europe that show employees being victimized, underpaid and controlled when they go to the toilet, but I never read an article in the USA against Bezos, why? Bezos donated 1 million dollar to gay advertisement in Washington state.

Posted by: fromabroad at April 03, 2014 05:31 PM (rnV3B)

 

I (thankfully briefly) worked at an Amazon warehouse immediately following the beginning of the Great Recession, when my freelance commercial art business crashed and burned. I was one of the stackers, the guys who load the boxes onto pallets and then hand-truck them to the docks for loading onto semis. I didn't mind the work. A liberal arts major in college, I've been--at various times--a waiter, a hod carrier, a house framer, a dishwasher, etc.  Nothing wrong with physical labor. However, in all of those other jobs I was never treated so badly as I was when I worked at that Amazon warehouse. Those people treated us like dogs: yelled at, hounded, fired on a whim. So yeah, I'm not a big fan of Bezos.

 

If the Left ever gets its way, I imagine we'll all be Amazon warehouse workers, or treated like one.

Posted by: troyriser at April 03, 2014 02:01 PM (2jF2B)

500 Remember Bezos donated money to whatever faggot org was promoting fag marriage in Seattle

Posted by: fromabroad at April 03, 2014 02:04 PM (rnV3B)

501 Prominent Repubs need to start making the case /educating the electorate that Judicial Review is not the sole, or even primary Constitutional means to protect our individual liberty. The People, and the States, have direct responsibility to take whatever peaceful action they can, to identify, protest against, petition against, defund and sanction unconstitutional infringements of our natural rights --which was always the balance understood by the founders. The Courts have had a "good run" as defenders of the Constitution (in some areas, e.g. criminal procedure and protecting institutional journalism). But their success has been like a Judicial Sugar Daddy, sapping what was once a clearly understood, direct responsibility to defend against infringements of our individual rights. Now, we are one heart attack or stroke away from a 5-4 Judicially imposed tyranny. Marbury v. Madison and subsequent judicial review doctrine is an adjunct to, but did not REPLACE the Declaration, or the Preamble, or the entire structure of a federalist government nor the IXth and Xth Amendments, nor the writings contemporaneous with adoption of the Constitution. The current situation is not cured (and is in many ways made worse) by focusing on whether we can get one or "ours" vs "theirs" on the Supreme Court.

Posted by: NYC Parent at April 03, 2014 02:07 PM (HEo6y)

502 Remember Bezos donated money to whatever faggot org was promoting fag marriage in Seattle

Posted by: fromabroad at April 03, 2014 06:04 PM (rnV3B)

 

You must be new here.

Posted by: troyriser at April 03, 2014 02:16 PM (2jF2B)

503 I am not

Posted by: fromabroad at April 03, 2014 02:31 PM (rnV3B)

504 Birth control is also a collective right.

Posted by: Original Roy at April 03, 2014 02:35 PM (Dg1cR)

505 I am not

Posted by: fromabroad at April 03, 2014 06:31 PM (rnV3B)

 

Then what's with all the 'faggot' stuff? Are you fixated, or what?

Posted by: troyriser at April 03, 2014 03:00 PM (2jF2B)

506 Buy more ammo.

Posted by: Former Lurker at April 03, 2014 03:11 PM (4hp6w)

507 I am reminded of an episode of the classic TV show "The Prisoner":

Unmutual! Unmutual!

Posted by: fiftyville at April 03, 2014 03:50 PM (L/j2Y)

508 So what other browser supports the ignore user script.

Cause having bounced Adjoran and Dancing Queen without even a return insult I ain't wading thru here without a filter.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at April 03, 2014 03:53 PM (DL2i+)

509 Late to the party here, but I'm hoping in the comments to find an alternate browser to Firefox.  I use Firefox all the time, but suddenly don't feel like supporting them.

Posted by: Null at April 03, 2014 05:52 PM (xjpRj)

510 Jen I hope you understand the difference between being removed from your job for the above reasons and being removed because you have donated 1000$ to prop8. Posted by: fromabroad at April 03, 2014 05:31 PM (rnV3B) I do absolutely understand the difference. My post was in reply to rrpjr who felt that Eich didn't fight back because he must not be solid in his convictions. I was trying to illustrate that CEO's most of the time do not own the company they head, and they are employed by a Board of Directors who can fire them with a simple majority vote. For just about anything they feel is detrimental to the company and particularly to shareholders, whom they are supposed to represent. I used the Steve Jobs illustration since he was well known and often portrayed in the media as being the sole owner of Apple, rich beyond anyone's wildest dreams, completely untouchable , etc. No, he wasn't, he was fired from the company he founded easier than if he had been the janitor. The janitors most likely would have threatened a suit, lawyered up, etc and taken months to fire. I personally would love to see Eich sue Mozilla under his 1st amendment rights and subsequent employment rights violations. Again, depends on his contract, which can have all kinds of clauses in it that define what action can result in termination. How a donation to a legal pac group six years prior to his CEO tenure could fall under that is beyond me, but it would be for a court to decide.

Posted by: Jen at April 03, 2014 06:06 PM (IdGqX)

511

These things (the Eich 'resignations') happen to us because we are a bunch of pussies.  The homosexual lobby knows this and so they kick our asses up one side and down the other. 

The homosexual lobby claims they now have a majority and although the polls support that position, I claim that the majority is soft.  I don't think most people support the homosexual agenda but they are tired of being bullied and they don't see any action from our side that shows that we are willing to fight.

The point is here that if all we do is run and hide, we're going to continue to get hammered? 

What are we willing to do/  Well, we can start by stating our positions confidently and without fear. 

In this particular case, we must be prepared to state that nature, through the procreative event, has made heterosexuality superior to homosexuality.

Because marriage is the institution through which society renews itseft, this superiority makes heterosexual unions uniquely qualified for marriage and disqualifies homosexual unions.

When the homosexual lobby yells and screams and calls us evil bigots, it's my hope that we look then directly in the eye and laugh dirisively.

 

 

 

Posted by: scuds lonigan at April 03, 2014 06:13 PM (gbxmr)

512 There are no collective rights.  There is no such thing.  It's nonsense.  It's word salad. 

Posted by: Phinn at April 03, 2014 07:58 PM (i5GO4)

513 Anonymous Drivel @ 397: "Natural Rights remain a foreign concept to these tyrants which is to say, even if you're atheist or agnostic (which I am), you damn well better get on the religious bandwagon to fight these super-secularists who aim to destroy individual freedom. They are going after the final refuges of liberty - freedom of thought and from tyranny - which has ultimately been the last organized threat against government." * * * * * * * * * ** * * * * * * * * * * * * * * You could be a "Catholic atheist" like Oriana Fallaci. Not bad company!

Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at April 03, 2014 11:48 PM (afLO3)

514 "Then what's with all the 'faggot' stuff? Are you fixated, or what?" I call a spade a spade, after all, they do not restrain from saying breeders, christianists etc Do you have a problem with that? I know I am hurting the delicate souls of the owners of this blog, but as I said, worse terms are used in the leftists' realm, I don't see the usefulness of backing off

Posted by: fromabroad at April 04, 2014 01:31 AM (kdlP1)

515 It's interesting that they let a mob run off Mozilla's CEO as being a sexist denier of rights when just because he exercised his Constitutional right, yet Mozilla's board chair continues to use the title "chairwoman" to assert her corporate womanhood. Nothing sexist about that, huh?!

Posted by: Manolo at April 04, 2014 09:08 AM (myV+q)

516

Imagine responding to the massive global redistribution of wealth, consolidation of central government and general silliness of "combatting climate change" in a world where this view of the First Amendment holds.

Or, for that matter, dissenting against an inevitably botched government takeover of the health insurance system.

 *shudder*

Posted by: FishingWithFredo at April 04, 2014 10:07 AM (uao7b)

517 There is a reason that the right to free speech and the right to self-defense were made the First and Second Amendments. If they fall, then all other rights are lost.

Posted by: RebeccaH at April 04, 2014 11:53 AM (unWR8)

518 I think since teen and unmarried pregnancies are such a problem and contribute to a culture of dependence and poverty, it is for the collective good that we ban premarital sex. Those who do not comply will be immediately sterilized. Also, AIDS and promiscuity still exists in the gay community. Why haven't we banned homosexuality for the collective good?

Posted by: Beth at April 04, 2014 09:30 PM (Epq7Y)

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