April 11, 2014

MSNBC's Patrician Progressive Alex Wagner: You Know, It's the IRS Who Are the Real Victims in the IRS Targeting Scandal
— Ace

The Ghost of Joe McCarthy haunts the halls of MSNBC.

Wagner claims it's McCarthyite to ask the IRS why it was using McCarthyite tactics against US citizens.

Posted by: Ace at 10:17 AM | Comments (329)
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1 Do I have to slap a bitch?

Posted by: model_1066 at April 11, 2014 10:18 AM (tNrYO)

2 My friends, we have nothing to fear with Barack Obama in the White House

Posted by: John McCain at April 11, 2014 10:19 AM (kFxpe)

3 Oh, I see how you are.

Posted by: model_1066 at April 11, 2014 10:19 AM (tNrYO)

4 I used to work for the Center for America Progress you know...

Posted by: Alex Wagner at April 11, 2014 10:19 AM (Aif/5)

5 First!

Posted by: McGyver at April 11, 2014 10:19 AM (xn57r)

6 12th dimension politics, folks. Which also goes forwards, backwards and sideways.

Posted by: LizLem at April 11, 2014 10:20 AM (yRwC8)

7 "To paraphrase Tom Wolfe, it seems that the long dark night of hatred and intolerance is forever descending on the right, but somehow keeps landing on the left."

Posted by: Havildar - Major at April 11, 2014 10:21 AM (kduZC)

8 You know the real victims of theft wete John Dillinger, and Clyde Barrow.... Fuck MSLSD, that is all

Posted by: sven10077 at April 11, 2014 10:21 AM (TE35l)

9 You'd think they'd be thanking me....

Posted by: The President at April 11, 2014 10:21 AM (FXyq4)

10
Well, she's no Sheryl Attkisson.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 11, 2014 10:21 AM (hUf/y)

11 The people harassed by the IRS? They should be thanking me...

Posted by: Barack Obama at April 11, 2014 10:22 AM (78TbK)

12 Lottsa stoopid in the news today.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 11, 2014 10:22 AM (nELVU)

13 We were victims too.

Posted by: STASI at April 11, 2014 10:22 AM (8ZskC)

14 Actually McCarthy didn't use McCarthyite tactics.  He was only guilty of "under counting" the commies in the State department.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at April 11, 2014 10:22 AM (T2V/1)

15 A visibly drunk Nancy Pelosi called her a "slack-cunted hausfrau". Yeah, I stole that from The Onion.

Posted by: model_1066 at April 11, 2014 10:23 AM (tNrYO)

16 The people harassed by the IRS? They should be thanking me... Posted by: Barack Obama at April 11, 2014 02:22 PM (78TbK) Yeah. You could be getting harassed by the BATF.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 11, 2014 10:23 AM (8ZskC)

17 Fifth which I am going to drink as soon as I get off this plane and get to the house Mcgyver out

Posted by: McGyver at April 11, 2014 10:23 AM (xn57r)

18 Yes, in the same way that the Nazis were the real victims of the Hindenberg disaster. Oh the humanity, mein Fuhrer!

Posted by: joncelli at April 11, 2014 10:23 AM (RD7QR)

19 "To paraphrase Tom Wolfe, it seems that the long dark night of hatred and intolerance is forever descending on the right, but somehow keeps landing on the left."
***
As a practical point, hate and fear are better motivators then love or even rational self interest. They turn their adherents into horrible human beings, but the left is in nothing if not how to most effectively achieve more and more political power, and if a few eggs need to be broken in the process...oh well...

Posted by: 18-1 at April 11, 2014 10:24 AM (78TbK)

20 So the IRS as victim? Yeah, that should go over big with... just about everybody.

Posted by: tu3031 at April 11, 2014 10:24 AM (nsQhi)

21 Also coming up, could the Koch brothers be behind the Fed Ex truck slamming into a bus full of 1st generation and low income high school students?

Posted by: Alex Wagner at April 11, 2014 10:24 AM (Aif/5)

22 How dare we complain about our rapists!

Posted by: kathysaysso at April 11, 2014 10:24 AM (6H6o8)

23 Yes, I went Godwin within the first 50 comments. Pray I don't go Godwin further.

Posted by: joncelli at April 11, 2014 10:24 AM (RD7QR)

24
It is odd funny when leftists using gestopo tactics point and cry "McCarthey!".

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 11, 2014 10:25 AM (hUf/y)

25 14 Vic, Coorect McCarthyism is being impolite while lowballing the 5th columnists at Foggy Bottom

Posted by: sven10077 at April 11, 2014 10:25 AM (TE35l)

26 >>>You Know, It's the IRS Who Are the Real Victims in the IRS Targeting Scandal<<<



You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Posted by: Inigo Montoya at April 11, 2014 10:25 AM (08jH8)

27 Holy crap, I've heard "the actual victim of the crime is the person sitting in jail" before, but it was from an inmate so I ignored him.

Posted by: no good deed at April 11, 2014 10:25 AM (ILBCY)

28 As a more basic point, if the Rs care about IRS corruption at this level, why are they not calling for the organization to be abolished?

Posted by: 18-1 at April 11, 2014 10:25 AM (78TbK)

29 Her opening concludes, "...and this is Now."

Well, since "Now" is in the past, is "tomorrow" the present? Man, history really does move sideways sometimes.

Posted by: Virginia Socon at April 11, 2014 10:25 AM (+/C3g)

30 Thanks Alex. That was awesome stuff.

Posted by: MTF at April 11, 2014 10:25 AM (F58x4)

31 They'll say anything, regardless of the reality of the situation. At least they're consistent. The Republicans could learn from this type of messaging.

Posted by: Travis McGee at April 11, 2014 10:25 AM (Ph479)

32 For just $2 a day you can make a real difference in the life of a struggling IRS agent. Won't you help?

Posted by: Sally Struthers at April 11, 2014 10:25 AM (8ZskC)

33 21 Also coming up, could the Koch brothers be behind the Fed Ex truck slamming into a bus full of 1st generation and low income high school students? Posted by: Alex Wagner at April 11, 2014 02:24 PM (Aif/5) Actually, the Koch brothers are the victims here...

Posted by: model_1066 at April 11, 2014 10:26 AM (tNrYO)

34 Is she the scrunt married to the guy who used to be the SCOAMF's personal chef?


Reichsministerium für Volksaufklärung und Propaganda.

Posted by: HR at April 11, 2014 10:26 AM (ZKzrr)

35 When I used to make my brothers punch themselves it turns out that it was actually me being victimized. I still feel a lot of anger toward them for that.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at April 11, 2014 10:26 AM (+lsX1)

36 Yes Low Information People everywhere..... McCarthy was **such** a scofflaw "hang em from the nearest lamppost" type of guy.... he actually made his chops holding Congressional hearings about railroading Nazi's at Nuremberg...... defending the Nazis.... *Shit you wont learn in public school..... entry # 1256952

Posted by: fixerupper at April 11, 2014 10:27 AM (nELVU)

37 "The IRS is the real victim."  Said nobody ever.  At least nobody with an IQ greater than their hat size.

Posted by: Steve in Greensboro at April 11, 2014 10:27 AM (bbivj)

38 I find this odd. McCarthy's major sin IIRC was going after private citizens for their speech. So in reality it's Harry Reid doing the McCarthy bit.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 11, 2014 10:27 AM (HDwDg)

39 I wonder if Alex is a little fearful of history backing into her during these rants? Sideswipes from history can really do a number on the paint job.

Posted by: MTF at April 11, 2014 10:27 AM (F58x4)

40 35 When I used to make my brothers punch themselves it turns out that it was actually me being victimized. I still feel a lot of anger toward them for that. Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at April 11, 2014 02:26 PM (+lsX1) All they had to do was tell you why they kept hitting themselves. It's all on them!

Posted by: joncelli at April 11, 2014 10:27 AM (RD7QR)

41 Dark Mission II: The McCarthying

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 11, 2014 10:27 AM (ZshNr)

42 I understand completely.

Posted by: Pol Pot at April 11, 2014 10:28 AM (5ikDv)

43 "Leave the IRS alone!!!" (Bursts into tears.)

Posted by: zombie at April 11, 2014 10:28 AM (mizYg)

44 She makes me hit her. I can't stand it.

Posted by: Wife Beaters Everywhere at April 11, 2014 10:28 AM (i19tE)

45 I hate that she's hot. (But she is pretty hot.)

Posted by: Kensington (@NYKensington) at April 11, 2014 10:28 AM (/AHDz)

46 Perhaps the better summary would be, "Bless her heart."

Posted by: Virginia Socon at April 11, 2014 10:28 AM (+/C3g)

47 Most people I know hate the IRS. That includes some liberals too. -------------- “I was just told by commissioner Collins of Clark County NV that all of us folks from Utah are a bunch of “inbred bastards” and if we are coming to Clark County NV to support Cliven Bundy we all “better have funeral plans”. We should “turn our asses around on mind our own f-ing business” Shit's getting real in NV.

Posted by: Beyond Disgusted at April 11, 2014 10:29 AM (thLL8)

48 You think I liked homicidal purges?

Posted by: Joseph Stalin at April 11, 2014 10:29 AM (5ikDv)

49 You know who are the worst bullies? Those bullies who fight back against bullies. Stop bullying!

Posted by: zombie at April 11, 2014 10:29 AM (mizYg)

50 Wow. Brilliant analysis there. I don't like Issa. I don't like McCarthy. They were/are both in Congress. Therefore, Issa=McCarthy and poor IRS.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at April 11, 2014 10:29 AM (r+7wo)

51 That was like Kids News for middle schoolers.

Posted by: Fritz at April 11, 2014 10:29 AM (UzPAd)

52 I'm disappointed she couldn't pack a bit more of the racism meme in there. She was going for Joe McCarthy, I get that, but I think every rant could benefit from racism and misogyny. Those just never get old.

Posted by: MTF at April 11, 2014 10:29 AM (F58x4)

53 Ha ha, the Washington Post describes her as "brainy." Maybe for a Democrat...

Posted by: Kensington (@NYKensington) at April 11, 2014 10:30 AM (/AHDz)

54

And off Too-Tight Sleeveless Tee Sock !!!

 

(anybody get that ?)

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 11, 2014 10:30 AM (i19tE)

55 18 Yes, in the same way that the Nazis were the real victims of the Hindenberg disaster. Oh the humanity, mein Fuhrer! Posted by: joncelli at April 11, 2014 02:23 PM (RD7QR) Normandy? TOTALLY a macroagression by the hateful Allied forces. The Nazis were on those beaches for a stroll, totally minding their own business...

Posted by: LizLem at April 11, 2014 10:30 AM (yRwC8)

56 Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at April 11, 2014 02:29 PM (r+7wo) IMHO Issa's biggest fault is that he hasn't managed to get this past "congressional hearing." Which, given what congressional hearings are, he hasn't moved this out of the spectacle stage.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 11, 2014 10:31 AM (HDwDg)

57 “I was just told by commissioner Collins of Clark County NV that all of us folks from Utah are a bunch of “inbred bastards” and if we are coming to Clark County NV to support Cliven Bundy we all “better have funeral plans”. We should “turn our asses around on mind our own f-ing business” ---- I believe that is what is known in legal circles as a "death threat". From a county commissioner.... wow...

Posted by: fixerupper at April 11, 2014 10:31 AM (nELVU)

58 52 I'm disappointed she couldn't pack a bit more of the racism meme in there. She was going for Joe McCarthy, I get that, but I think every rant could benefit from racism and misogyny. Those just never get old. Posted by: MTF at April 11, 2014 02:29 PM (F58x4) Maybe some tampon earrings would make her appear to be more serious and respectable as well.

Posted by: model_1066 at April 11, 2014 10:31 AM (tNrYO)

59 I was triggered watching that video. Ace should post a trigger warning before putting that shit up.

Posted by: MTF at April 11, 2014 10:31 AM (F58x4)

60 Read this. This notion has been thrown around liberally among the hoard for a very long time - well put in this article: https://tinyurl.com/nvem5uv Quote: This hypothesis is that America has reached a stage of progressive soft despotism in which the only important family feud in national politics is between the fundamentally allied factions of the Washington establishment itself.

Posted by: Chrisie Mathews at April 11, 2014 10:31 AM (BZAd3)

61 Tell #BundyRanch to leave the Bureau of Land Management alone!

Posted by: RWC at April 11, 2014 10:32 AM (fWAjv)

62 The BLM is also a victim in the Nevada fiasco. We are under attack from the gubmint, and the msm. The Russkies are the least of our worries. Tinfoil hat off.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at April 11, 2014 10:32 AM (Q8vlx)

63 Where do they find these scrunts to populate MSNBC for so many hours a day?

Posted by: Chi-town Jerry at April 11, 2014 10:32 AM (Z7PrM)

64 Mental macrame. Fascinating.

Posted by: bergerbilder at April 11, 2014 10:33 AM (8MjqI)

65 63 Where do they find these scrunts to populate MSNBC for so many hours a day? Posted by: Chi-town Jerry at April 11, 2014 02:32 PM (Z7PrM) You'd be surprised what you find when you drag a hundred dollar bill through an abortion clinic.

Posted by: model_1066 at April 11, 2014 10:33 AM (tNrYO)

66 "Are you now, or have you ever been, a member of a government office which illegally used the power of the state to silence your political opponents?" "I refuse to answer the question. It's an insult to jackbooted thugs everywhere!"

Posted by: zombie at April 11, 2014 10:33 AM (mizYg)

67 Is Alex Wagner a reporter? Because this sounds more like an Onion news report of an SNL skit. You guys are pulling my leg.

Posted by: Chrisie Mathews at April 11, 2014 10:33 AM (BZAd3)

68 How dare the Unpeople of Jesusland demand explanations from Their Betters!

The nerve. Do they not know their place?

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 11, 2014 10:33 AM (mf5HN)

69 This broad contributes to global warming every time she opens her mouth.

Posted by: Comanche Voter at April 11, 2014 10:33 AM (wdHk6)

70 I thought alex wagoner was the one with huge nostrils that looks like skeletor in a big blonde wig

Posted by: thunderb at April 11, 2014 10:34 AM (zOTsN)

71
If it wasn't for that damn Johnson, I wouldn't beat up Jenny.

Posted by: liberal hippie slime from forrest gump at April 11, 2014 10:34 AM (hUf/y)

72

Maybe the Soviets did invent a stupid ray?  Something that turns people into drooling idiots?  But it takes prolonged exposure to the rays for them to take effect? 

 

Because everything I see on TV coming out of NYC and DC lately has to have been thought up, proposed, approved and implemented by the "mentally challenged."   And that includes the media, the DC and NYC Bureaucats, Democrats and Republicans. 

 

There has to be an explanation for the sheer, glorious idiocy displayed by our politicians and bureaucrats!?!?

 

 

 

Posted by: rd at April 11, 2014 10:34 AM (D+lxs)

73

Fact:   The POS in the white house directed this and coordinated it during weekly meetings    at the white house    during 2011 and 2012.

Fact:   Lois Lerner coordinated with democrats in the house and senate to target conservatives, and to hide this from the House republicans.

Fact:   The IRS, along with the NSA, EPA and HHS,     were used to violate the constitutional rights of citizens, and were instrumental in throwing an election.

 

 

Don't even waste time on MSNBC's yellow journalism.  Start demanding prosecutions.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 11, 2014 10:34 AM (AwYJ0)

74 - If wearing pro-candidate t-shirts while working in a government office while Being On the Look Out for requests for charitable organization status from organizations with the words 'Tea Party', 'Constitution' in the application to delay said requests for years to impose partisan morality on a foundationally non-partisan function is wrong; I don't want to be right. -

Posted by: BumperStickerist at April 11, 2014 10:34 AM (4CVLy)

75 This just in: The Koch Brothers are at fault!

Posted by: Washington Post at April 11, 2014 10:34 AM (F58x4)

76 You know who else was a victim? Chris Brown.

Posted by: Andy Levy (not the real one)[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at April 11, 2014 10:34 AM (qyfb5)

77 Really, it's the "yes, they're raping you, but they wouldn't do it if you weren't dressed like that" theory of government relations.

Posted by: joncelli at April 11, 2014 10:36 AM (RD7QR)

78 You know who else was a victim? ----- Mumia??? Oh.... wait... they already did that one...

Posted by: fixerupper at April 11, 2014 10:36 AM (nELVU)

79 You'd be surprised what you find when you drag a hundred dollar bill through an abortion clinic.

Oooooooooh.

Posted by: HR at April 11, 2014 10:36 AM (ZKzrr)

80 I think she would be a great fit doing explanatory journalism at Ezra "Obamacare Won" Klein's outfit.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at April 11, 2014 10:36 AM (r+7wo)

81 Whoopi Goldberg's mirror-doppelganger just called to say that it isn't McCarthyism McCarthyism.

Posted by: zombie at April 11, 2014 10:36 AM (mizYg)

82 Jeff Dahlmer ... totes victim of Big Human Nutrition.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 11, 2014 10:37 AM (i19tE)

83 MSNBC pulling the classic big brother dick move of -- "Why do you keep hitting yourself?"

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 11, 2014 10:37 AM (ZPrif)

84 I think I will start drinking in the morning and just keep it going all day. See you in the camps suckers.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at April 11, 2014 10:38 AM (Q8vlx)

85

This type of rhetoric continues to ramp up daily.  What will in be like by 2016?  Tough times a comin'.

 

Posted by: Cheri at April 11, 2014 10:38 AM (G+Wff)

86 Do I have to slap a bitch?

Posted by: model_1066 at April 11, 2014 02:18 PM (tNrYO)


I've got your back.  Slap away.

McCarthy was right. 

For those that haven't; M. Stanton Evans' book "Blacklisted by History"

Mandatory Hordeling reading.

You can't be promoted to Horde Sergeant unless you've read it.

Posted by: tangonine at April 11, 2014 10:38 AM (x3YFz)

87 Jeffrey Dahmer? Totes a victim. Those boys set him up, with their come hither looks...

Posted by: Harry Reid at April 11, 2014 10:38 AM (yRwC8)

88 Ukraine, why must you hurt me so?

Posted by: Vlad Putin at April 11, 2014 10:38 AM (5ikDv)

89 Well, she's no Sheryl Attkisson.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 11, 2014 02:21 PM (hUf/y)



Yeah, because Sharyl Attkisson has integrity, intelligence, and the ability to form a coherent thought without being spoonfed talking points by the DNC.


Which is why Attkisson is unemployed and Alex Wagner gets to spew her putrid bile on MESSNBC.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/i][/b] at April 11, 2014 10:38 AM (4df7R)

90 Normandy? TOTALLY a macroagression by the hateful Allied forces. The Nazis were on those beaches for a stroll, totally minding their own business... ----------- Normandy was an act of eco-terrorism by the US against a unified continent. Well, it will in the next edition of textbooks. -

Posted by: BumperStickerist at April 11, 2014 10:38 AM (4CVLy)

91 Shouldn't there be a Ciseroesque Obama quote buried in there somewhere. I mean that way, what the report lacks in credibility, it could make up in inanity.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 11, 2014 10:38 AM (BZAd3)

92 My fist is a victim of my wife's eye. Many times.

Posted by: bergerbilder at April 11, 2014 10:38 AM (8MjqI)

93 As a practical point, hate and fear are better motivators then love or even rational self interest. They turn their adherents into horrible human beings, but the left is in nothing if not how to most effectively achieve more and more political power, and if a few eggs need to be broken in the process...oh well... You haven't been paying attention, friend. Love always is the better and more lasting motivator. Fear and hate are nothing. 2000 years of holy martyrs give evidence to that fact. Google Blessed Cappaduano if you need convincing.

Posted by: Havildar - Major at April 11, 2014 10:38 AM (kduZC)

94 I just couldn't listen to the entire thing. It needs a soundtrack. Cue creepy music-.....dun, dun, dun, dun..."His dark mission."Dun, dun, dun , dun....

Posted by: Kathy S. at April 11, 2014 10:38 AM (XyM/Y)

95 Y'see, the problem is this: She's a parrot. She's clearly a "I'll read whatever you put in front of me as long as it gets me a better-paying gig in two years" type. But, somehow, I think that she could sweat five pounds off you every time even in the missionary position, and God knows and I wouldn't mind finding out what else she can do.

Posted by: JEM at April 11, 2014 10:39 AM (o+SC1)

96 Whoops; Off Kathy Sebelius sock

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 11, 2014 10:39 AM (XyM/Y)

97 there sometimes seems to be a connection between being ivy league smart and being able to skillfully parrot talking points.

Posted by: mallfly at April 11, 2014 10:39 AM (bJm7W)

98 I posted before watching the video.

I watched the video.

She's a cunt.

Endtext.

Posted by: tangonine at April 11, 2014 10:39 AM (x3YFz)

99 I guess Alex thinks "I was just doing my job" is fine and dandy.

Posted by: no good deed at April 11, 2014 10:39 AM (ILBCY)

100 Poor IRS . It's like the plight of european jewry , maybe worse .

Posted by: awkward davies at April 11, 2014 10:39 AM (whqez)

101 Bernie Madoff ... a simple pawn in the game of Bossy Rich Investors.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 11, 2014 10:40 AM (i19tE)

102 It's like that time I crashed the fuel truck into the nursing home. Yeah sure, a lot of people burned to death, but I can hardly drive past a nursing home these days without feeling bad. When you think about, I have actually ended up suffering for a lot longer than those old folks, most of whom burned up pretty quick.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at April 11, 2014 10:40 AM (+lsX1)

103 Posted by: ScoggDog at April 11, 2014 02:37 PM (i19tE) Deja Vu all over again...

Posted by: Harry Reid at April 11, 2014 10:40 AM (yRwC8)

104 You know who else was a victim? Robert Mugabe.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at April 11, 2014 10:40 AM (qyfb5)

105 Alan Grayson is a victim of his (ex-?) wife.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at April 11, 2014 10:40 AM (r+7wo)

106 Do they have to invert everything? Resigning is winning! Free Speech is about protecting the majority!

Posted by: tasker at April 11, 2014 10:40 AM (RJMhd)

107 The poor thing, the way she is sitting... I'm pretty sure she has scoliosis. Either that or she's sitting on her head.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 11, 2014 10:40 AM (BZAd3)

108 You know,  the composer Richard Wagner    had a lot of anti-semitic stereotypes in his operas.   



I'm not saying that having the last name "Wagner" makes Alex Wagner an anti-semite, but...

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/i][/b] at April 11, 2014 10:40 AM (4df7R)

109 "The IRS are the ones actually targeted" Just like that poor bulldozer in Tienanmen Square was targeted by the protester who dare to be run over.

Posted by: MTF at April 11, 2014 10:41 AM (F58x4)

110 I had my 'throatsnatch' reflex fire 5 times while watching that shit.

Posted by: tangonine at April 11, 2014 10:41 AM (x3YFz)

111 Dumbth all the way down.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 11, 2014 10:41 AM (DrWcr)

112 oh. I'm thinking of Alex Witt

Posted by: thunderb at April 11, 2014 10:41 AM (zOTsN)

113 The poor thing, the way she is sitting... I'm pretty sure she has scoliosis.

Either that or she's sitting on her head.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 11, 2014 02:40 PM (BZAd3)



It's the latter.  Makes it easier to shove her head up her ass.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/i][/b] at April 11, 2014 10:41 AM (4df7R)

114 You know who else was a victim? Fidel Castro.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at April 11, 2014 10:41 AM (qyfb5)

115 Either that or she's sitting on her head.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 11, 2014 02:40 PM (BZAd3)

 

Well, it is firmly implanted up her ass.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 11, 2014 10:42 AM (DrWcr)

116 They're going for the "if we repeat it enough people will believe it" plan. Which might work if people watched MSNBC, so we're safe.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 11, 2014 10:42 AM (HDwDg)

117 I don't know if the rancher in NV has any legal ground to stand on or not but I'm worried that this may turn out to have a violent ending.  When a Clark County Commissioner makes a statement like "They better have funeral plans" for people that may come to the ranch to support the family  it doesn't look good.

Posted by: Cheri at April 11, 2014 10:42 AM (G+Wff)

118
If they didn't run from the "showers" we wouldn't have shot them.

Posted by: msnbc Nazi camp guards at April 11, 2014 10:42 AM (hUf/y)

119 What did you expect?

Posted by: Soothie at April 11, 2014 10:42 AM (Ja56Y)

120 Hitler?   Totes a victim.  If they'd just let him into art school we'd never have had WWII.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/i][/b] at April 11, 2014 10:42 AM (4df7R)

121 Oh William, dear boy.

*sniff*

The pain...the pain.

Posted by: Doctor Smith at April 11, 2014 10:42 AM (5ikDv)

122 Let's also not forget that Joe McCarthy was RIGHT about the commies infiltrating the government!

Posted by: Insomniac at April 11, 2014 10:43 AM (DrWcr)

123 Posted by: Gristle Encased Head ----- You know. It's really Society's fault when you think about it.

Posted by: Daybrother at April 11, 2014 10:43 AM (ijB+B)

124 I think this is what Obama means when he says history moves sideways.

Posted by: tasker at April 11, 2014 10:43 AM (RJMhd)

125 The Big Bang was the victim of a vast, empty universe. Today, you can still hear the whimper of microwave background radiation - that is, if you have a heart.

Posted by: bergerbilder at April 11, 2014 10:43 AM (8MjqI)

126 You know who else was a victim? Hugo Chavez.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at April 11, 2014 10:43 AM (qyfb5)

127 You know who else was a victim? Hugo, Hugo Chavez that's who.

Posted by: Sean Penn at April 11, 2014 10:44 AM (thLL8)

128 She has described herself as progressive[11] and believes that the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution should be repealed.[12] On matters involving Israel, she believes that there is an element of “trepidation that inhibits a robust discussion about Israel in the American media" due to fears of being labeled an anti-Semite oh ivy league

Posted by: thunderb at April 11, 2014 10:44 AM (zOTsN)

129 So we have established history moves forwards, backwards and sideways.  Does it also loop-de-loop?  Do you think there is federal grant money available to determine history's hammer-like properties vis-a-vis slicing?

Posted by: Joe at April 11, 2014 10:44 AM (QFnhZ)

130 Hugo Chavez. Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 11, 2014 02:43 PM (qyfb5) Preach it brutha.

Posted by: Sean Penn at April 11, 2014 10:44 AM (thLL8)

131 @117 - as I said before, legally the guy's case is weak and I don't think this is the right place for the next revolution to start. But Rahm's quote comes to mind.

Posted by: JEM at April 11, 2014 10:44 AM (o+SC1)

132 I was the real victim!  Do you have any idea what people wearing glasses did to me?

Posted by: Pol Pot at April 11, 2014 10:44 AM (DrWcr)

133 Fear of the sword versus Christian martyrdom. Hmm. I wonder if we could find a testing ground for that, preferably somewhere out of the way. Like in a desert somewhere.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at April 11, 2014 10:44 AM (whPg+)

134 Osama was totally the victim, you guys.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at April 11, 2014 10:44 AM (r+7wo)

135 Poor O.J.

We're sorry.

Posted by: Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman at April 11, 2014 10:45 AM (08jH8)

136 Lon Horiuchi was the real victim here.

Posted by: Elizabeth Weaver at April 11, 2014 10:45 AM (JtwS4)

137 Feeling sorry for the IRS is like feeling sorry for ......  well, the IRS.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at April 11, 2014 10:45 AM (ndlFj)

138


Ace, thanks so much for cataloging the country's descent into left-wing Stalinist fascism so thoroughly.

Provided this record doesn't get purged in the dystopian future, it could be a great record of how fucked in the head these people were.




Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz Christies at April 11, 2014 10:45 AM (xggaJ)

139 122 Let's alsonot forget that Joe McCarthy was RIGHT about the commies infiltrating the government! Posted by: Insomniac at April 11, 2014 02:43 PM (DrWcr) ************** Well they got themselves a scare word--that the Low Info Voter almost knows because Hollywood made a movie about it--so they are going to run forwards, backwards and sideways with it.

Posted by: tasker at April 11, 2014 10:45 AM (RJMhd)

140 Why yes I was. Damn it's hot down here. Gotta go, Adolph and Mao are throwin a brunch.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at April 11, 2014 10:45 AM (Q8vlx)

141 When a Clark County Commissioner makes a statement like "They better have funeral plans" for people that may come to the ranch to support the family it doesn't look good. Posted by: Cheri at April 11, 2014 02:42 PM (G+Wff) fnord (G+Wff) Reminds me of when the CA Attorney General threatened business owners with prison rape. Yeah, we are in no way a third-world country. Not at all.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at April 11, 2014 10:45 AM (qyfb5)

142 128 Your last two words were redundant.

Posted by: flmom at April 11, 2014 10:45 AM (nSjrf)

143 Dear Pol Pot.... We are so sorry to have treated you badly by dying.

Posted by: Millions of Hmong at April 11, 2014 10:46 AM (nELVU)

144 “trepidation that inhibits a robust discussion about Israel in the American media" Fucking wonkspeak. I am so fucking sick of it. Just say the American Media are afraid of the Jooooos, Alex. That's what you mean, you twisted, miserable scrunt. So fucking OWN it.

Posted by: Citizen X at April 11, 2014 10:46 AM (7ObY1)

145 Mao had many a sleepless night I'll tell you. No one knows how he suffered. At one point he very nearly lost weight.

Posted by: Daybrother at April 11, 2014 10:46 AM (wfuXG)

146 Whaddaya think of me now?

Posted by: C*ntessa Brewer at April 11, 2014 10:46 AM (bAGA/)

147
Oh my, I went ahead and watched that.  That is really, I don't even know what that was....big brother propoganda maybe?. The 12 people that actually watch that network must be brain damaged.  And what's with the flashing words?  Good Smod above they are nutty.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 11, 2014 10:46 AM (hUf/y)

148 The alleged pederast and searchlight strangler Harry Reid is behind the recent cattle roundup on the Bundy ranch. He wants the land for his little boys childrens retreat.

Posted by: The Jackhole at April 11, 2014 10:47 AM (nTgAI)

149 133 Fear of the sword versus Christian martyrdom. Hmm. I wonder if we could find a testing ground for that, preferably somewhere out of the way. Like in a desert somewhere. Sure. A beloved Jesuit priest was murdered in Hom earlier this week. Happening everyday. Some may find it unlikely. But, the white and red crowns are being offered everyday and in every country.

Posted by: Havildar - Major at April 11, 2014 10:47 AM (kduZC)

150 When a Clark County Commissioner makes a statement like "They better have funeral plans" for people that may come to the ranch to support the family it doesn't look good. Any decent person of any political stripe ought to be appalled by that. The man needs to be removed from office.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 11, 2014 10:47 AM (XyM/Y)

151 @128 - yeah, figures.

Posted by: JEM at April 11, 2014 10:47 AM (o+SC1)

152 Edward R. Murrow wept.

Posted by: Dang at April 11, 2014 10:47 AM (MNq6o)

153 At the end of the clip is a ProPublica journolist agreeing with how outrageous the targeting of the IRS is. ProPublica is one of the organizations who requested and received illegal information from the IRS.

Posted by: wodun at April 11, 2014 10:47 AM (fbqZE)

154 When a Clark County Commissioner makes a statement like "They better have funeral plans" for people that may come to the ranch to support the family it doesn't look good.

Obama was jealous that Clinton had Waco.

My favorite detail remains that this is all allegedly to protect a species of tortoise that the federal government just killed several hundred of.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 11, 2014 10:47 AM (B/VB5)

155 *falls face first into thread* *muffled* Beth? Can you hand me a bottle of whatever is closest to you and alcoholic? Thanks.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 11, 2014 10:48 AM (da5Wo)

156 Posted by: wodun at April 11, 2014 02:47 PM (fbqZE) Well yes, they don't want to lose their friends.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 11, 2014 10:48 AM (HDwDg)

157 Just waiting for high-publicity purges of corporate officials for criticizing the Saintly Internal Revenue Service and Monastery of the Holy State. Maybe we can have more giant papier mache head parades. I miss those.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at April 11, 2014 10:48 AM (qyfb5)

158 I'll take "Orwell" for 200$, Alex.

Posted by: bergerbilder at April 11, 2014 10:48 AM (8MjqI)

159 I was the real victim!  Do you have any idea what it's like to do kids' birthday parties dressed as a clown?

Posted by: John Wayne Gacy at April 11, 2014 10:48 AM (DrWcr)

160 Cell towers down around the ranch.

Posted by: RWC at April 11, 2014 10:49 AM (fWAjv)

161 In January 2009, Kass joined the White House Kitchen staff under Executive Chef Cris Comerford as an assistant chef.[5] Kass' title is Assistant White House Chef and Food Initiative Coordinator at the White House.[5] As Food Initiative Coordinator, Kass assisted Michelle Obama to create the first major vegetable garden at the White House since Eleanor Roosevelt’s Victory garden[5] (where he refuses to use any herbicides or pesticides)[3] and assists her in her efforts to promote healthy eating and the prevention of childhood obesity.[5] Kass is a promoter of sustainable farming and locally grown, organic foods[3] and is a critic of modern agricultural producers and fertilizer and pesticide companies.[3] He has also railed against the national lunch program as "disproportionately high in fat, preservatives and high-fructose corn syrup."[3] Kass has been criticized for his unwillingness to acknowledge the benefits of pesticides and fertilizers as well as the high cost of organic farming relative to corporate farming her fiancé so he is a "Lets Move" "ambassador and White House cook he is also the genius behind the school lunch program that is so unpopular

Posted by: thunderb at April 11, 2014 10:49 AM (zOTsN)

162 When a Clark County Commissioner makes a statement like "They better have funeral plans" for people that may come to the ranch to support the family it doesn't look good. ************* Holy shit--they said that? I know Harry Reid's son use to be on the board--Rory.

Posted by: tasker at April 11, 2014 10:49 AM (RJMhd)

163 My favorite detail remains that this is all allegedly to protect a species of tortoise that the federal government just killed several hundred of.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 11, 2014 02:47 PM (B/VB5)



We had to burn the village to save it.

Posted by: Country Singer at April 11, 2014 10:49 AM (L8r/r)

164 I had the worst case of acid reflux!

Posted by: Jeffery Dahmer at April 11, 2014 10:49 AM (IVgIK)

165 When a Clark County Commissioner makes a statement like "They better have funeral plans" for people that may come to the ranch to support the family it doesn't look good. Funerals? I'm going to fund digging the trenches that will be needed.

Posted by: Sean Penn at April 11, 2014 10:49 AM (thLL8)

166 Baby elephant!
http://is.gd/xsC0FY

Posted by: HR at April 11, 2014 10:49 AM (ZKzrr)

167 Wasn't John Hinckley the real victim of Jodie Foster's pretending-to-be-straight act and Ronnie Raygun's, well, RAY-GUN!

Posted by: Citizen X at April 11, 2014 10:50 AM (7ObY1)

168 Tom Collins. Wow.

Posted by: tasker at April 11, 2014 10:50 AM (RJMhd)

169 The dark night of fascism descends when subjects are allowed to question or criticize a government agency.

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 11, 2014 10:50 AM (XUKZU)

170 Well, think about it, if the Tea Party did not exist, they wouldn't have to do all that persecuting! So the Tea Party is victimizing them. And don't forget, all this phony scandal stuff is hurting their reputation, because EVERYONE (in the Gary Oldman sense of the word) loved the IRS before.

Posted by: blaster at April 11, 2014 10:50 AM (4+AaH)

171 Which might work if people watched MSNBC, so we're safe.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 11, 2014 02:42 PM (HDwDg)

I know, I know, I know.  But, brother, I wanted to reach through the TV and just....

People so fucking ignorant of history, so dipped in the "i'm told to think like this and I'm an idiot" cauldron.

I just want to shake the fucking shit out them and say "Wake up!"

Just a little torn between the idea that they actually influence ANYONE. and the idea that our kids see this.

McCarthy was a hero.  When this woman just spews bullshit she knows nothing about make me sick.

I'll defend Firebase McCarthy until I die, and fuck you, liberal commie shitbags.

Posted by: tangonine at April 11, 2014 10:50 AM (x3YFz)

172 Posted by: Ian S. at April 11, 2014 02:47 PM (B/VB5) Mine too. If this really was all about species preservation and land resource conservation I'm sure it would have long been over. This is about power, and the demonstration of such.

Posted by: MTF at April 11, 2014 10:50 AM (F58x4)

173 I gave them plenty of grass to eat and they try to escape my beautiful country?

It's so hard. No one understands.

Posted by: Kim Jung Un at April 11, 2014 10:51 AM (5ikDv)

174 Posted by: WalrusRex at April 11, 2014 02:50 PM (XUKZU) ---- .... methinks youre missing a "not" in there....

Posted by: Millions of Hmong at April 11, 2014 10:51 AM (nELVU)

175 Great Wall of China? Intolerant of the Huns, a bunch of poor misunderstood wanderers with hearts full of love! They are the real victims here, NOT the Chinese!

Posted by: Jeb Bush, Historian at April 11, 2014 10:51 AM (yRwC8)

176 Is there a good blog/site to follow the NV rancher story? Like by one of the participants, protesters, neighbors, etc.? I've pretty much exhausted all the MSM stories.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 11, 2014 10:51 AM (ZshNr)

177 gah.... off off smelly sock

Posted by: fixerupper at April 11, 2014 10:51 AM (nELVU)

178 In many ways, weren't the Nazis the real victims of the Holocaust?

Posted by: MSNBC at April 11, 2014 10:52 AM (ZPrif)

179 #162 I get your point and it's a great one, but you need to drop this part: "50% of the population is below average intelligence" Think about it a second and you'll see why.

Posted by: Annoying Math Guy at April 11, 2014 10:52 AM (7ObY1)

180 It's actually Clark County that controls The Strip--not the mayor and/or city of Las Vegas.

Posted by: tasker at April 11, 2014 10:52 AM (RJMhd)

181 Kass has been criticized for his unwillingness to acknowledge the benefits of pesticides and fertilizers as well as the high cost of organic farming relative to corporate farming

Shut up and starve to death, for your betters' health.

Posted by: HR at April 11, 2014 10:52 AM (ZKzrr)

182

Cell towers down around the ranch.

 

If I may bleg for a content thread at the appropriate time...I would love to dig deeper into this ranch thing. 

 

I'm pretty well schooled in Ruby Ridge and more of that will threaten the undoing of this country.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at April 11, 2014 10:53 AM (JtwS4)

183 I had the worst case of acid reflux!

Posted by: Jeffery Dahmer at April 11, 2014 02:49 PM (IVgIK)


Did you have Mexican?

cause my gardener didn't show up today.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 11, 2014 10:53 AM (hUf/y)

184 I gave them plenty of grass to eat and they try to escape my beautiful country? It's so hard. No one understands. Posted by: Kim Jung Un Wagner's fiancé approves

Posted by: thunderb at April 11, 2014 10:53 AM (zOTsN)

185 Is there a good blog/site to follow the NV rancher story? Like by one of the participants, protesters, neighbors, etc.? I've pretty much exhausted all the MSM stories.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 11, 2014 02:51 PM (ZshNr)


I'd imagine Western Rifle Shooters is going apeshit about it right about now, but I ain't gonna check.  Especially not from a work computer.

Posted by: Country Singer at April 11, 2014 10:54 AM (L8r/r)

186 I'll go check it, thanks.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 11, 2014 10:54 AM (ZshNr)

187 Posted by: Annoying Math Guy at April 11, 2014 02:52 PM (7ObY1)

Get your nits here. Get your fresh nits to pick here. Fresh off the boat.

Lively and full of irony and faulty assumptions just waiting to be . . 

Picked.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Waiting For SMODOT) at April 11, 2014 10:55 AM (JS0vr)

188 cell towers are down because they do not want people to see what they are doing where is the press?

Posted by: thunderb at April 11, 2014 10:55 AM (zOTsN)

189 And yet when the whirlwind comes these idiots will affect their well practiced shocked , innocent , facial expressions , while asking with horrified voices , what are these people soooo angry about .

Posted by: awkward davies at April 11, 2014 10:55 AM (whqez)

190 From wiki: The Clark County Board of County Commissioners is the governmental organization that runs the unincorporated areas of Clark County, Nevada. The commission is considered by many to be the most powerful governmental body in the state of Nevada. ******* And that's because they run The Strip.

Posted by: tasker at April 11, 2014 10:56 AM (RJMhd)

191 Alex Wagner: setting the bar of journalism at MSNBC. What that means is that if Keith Olbermann had a shred of self-respect, he should be taking an eternal celestial bubble bath with a plugged in hairdryer for failing to clear a bar that low.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 11, 2014 10:56 AM (CJjw5)

192 My favorite detail remains that this is all allegedly to protect a species of tortoise that the federal government just killed several hundred of. Posted by: Ian S. at April 11, 2014 02:47 PM (B/VB5) Utah is currently grappling with how to protect the Sage Grouse. They are endangered but their habitat is freaking EVERYWHERE, and conveniently is on some of the best shale deposits. I feel like Nevada is just a preview of what is to come in our state, and possibly other Western states, where the govt has scooped up most of the land and refuses to return it to the people.

Posted by: LizLem at April 11, 2014 10:56 AM (yRwC8)

193 I'd imagine Western Rifle Shooters is going apeshit about it right about now, but I ain't gonna check. Especially not from a work computer. Posted by: Country Singer at April 11, 2014 02:54 PM (L8r/r) ---- Ya know..... I dont disagree and Im not chastising you at all..... ....but.... It is sad fucking state of affairs when even the most libertine among us are mindful of their clicks because somebody is listening.... somebody is watching.... somebody is taking notes.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 11, 2014 10:56 AM (nELVU)

194 This is the same Alex Wagner who was the subject of a fluffer piece by the NYT on "power couples" and "marriage of the best and brightest" The woman is dumber than a pile of hair and a partisan hack, but she's got connections up the wazoo and plenty of power player relatives

Posted by: kbdabear at April 11, 2014 10:56 AM (aTXUx)

195 Posted by: Annoying Math Guy at April 11, 2014 02:52 PM (7ObY1)

Aww christ.  a mathematician.  Just when you thought things couldn't get worse.

Posted by: tangonine at April 11, 2014 10:57 AM (x3YFz)

196 Yup, Western RS does have tons of coverage. I'll start wading through it. Live Twitter from the ranch, too, I haven't followed yet. Thanks again.

Posted by: iLincolntf at April 11, 2014 10:57 AM (ZshNr)

197

Is it too late to apologize to Lord Vader and Grand Moff Tarkin?

my bad

 

Posted by: Alderaan at April 11, 2014 10:57 AM (SO2Q8)

198 131 @117 - as I said before, legally the guy's case is weak and I don't think this is the right place for the next revolution to start.

But Rahm's quote comes to mind.

Posted by: JEM at April 11, 2014 02:44 PM (o+SC1)



If the news reports are accurate he has a damn good case.  The feds obviated a contract that has been in place since 1860 and they basically stole the land from the State under the guise of the endangered specie law which they have really abused for the last 50 years..

Posted by: Vic[/i] at April 11, 2014 10:57 AM (T2V/1)

199 I'd imagine Western Rifle Shooters is going apeshit about it right about now, but I ain't gonna check. Especially not from a work computer. Posted by: Country Singer at April 11, 2014 02:54 PM (L8r/r) They've been linking to a lot of other sites but not really commenting much. Right now they have a link to Loesch connecting the dots. Regarding work computer - for the past 3 weeks SayUncle has been blocked. That is the only site they block for some reason. Or maybe my work pc doesn't get along with the site but it just started happening.

Posted by: RWC at April 11, 2014 10:57 AM (fWAjv)

200 If you think about it, the real victim of the Knoxville Massacre was Diversity.

Posted by: MSNBC at April 11, 2014 10:57 AM (ZPrif)

201 In many ways, weren't the Nazis the real victims of the Holocaust? Holocaust? Feh.

Posted by: Farrakhan at April 11, 2014 10:58 AM (thLL8)

202
And that's because they run The Strip.

Posted by: tasker at April 11, 2014 02:56 PM (RJMhd)



Remember that scene from "Casino"?   How business is really done?

Posted by: EC at April 11, 2014 10:58 AM (GQ8sn)

203
The Jews never should have got on the train if they didn't want to go to Auschwitz.   All their fault really.

Posted by: Alex duh Wagner at April 11, 2014 10:59 AM (hUf/y)

204 where is the press? Posted by: thunderb at April 11, 2014 02:55 PM (zOTsN) Apparently CNN is there - to get the viewpoints from BLM.

Posted by: RWC at April 11, 2014 10:59 AM (fWAjv)

205 and blammo:

@zerohedge: GM CEO Barra Lied To Congress: Docs Reveal She Knew About Steering Problem Years Ago
http://tinyurl.com/ovk5wdv

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i][/b] at April 11, 2014 10:59 AM (5mtBD)

206 She's cute. But that's not Alex Wagner is it?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 11, 2014 10:59 AM (0LHZx)

207 I thought the Nevada Gaming Commission ran the Strip?

 Or at least was the 800 Lb Gorilla on the Strip.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Waiting For SMODOT) at April 11, 2014 11:00 AM (JS0vr)

208 Tom Collins is running for re-election to the Clark County Commission based on his deep roots in our community and a vested stake in the future of Southern Nevada. As a small business owner, a community activist, five-term Assemblyman, two-term County Commissioner and current Chairman of the Las Vegas Convention and Visitors Authority, Tom Collins service is a testament to his commitment to our quality of life. http://tom-collins.com/bio.htm ********* That's where he should be hit. I don't care where you stand on this story--what he said is over the line of reasonableness.

Posted by: tasker at April 11, 2014 11:00 AM (RJMhd)

209 Apparently CNN is there - ---- What.... they run out of other places to look for that plane???

Posted by: fixerupper at April 11, 2014 11:00 AM (nELVU)

210 So Pat and Stu and Glenn Beck today have reversed position on it, they were all about this as a Waco about to happen and how unfair it all was to this rancher - but they did some more research. Now, I will start off by saying I don't haven't done much in-depth on this myself. On the surface, the whole hundreds of armed men thing seems like way overkill (hopefully not literally) but it also has a history, this didn't just spring up yesterday. It does not appear that this is necessarily a Federal government run amok trying to take a rancher's land story - it seems like a tax protestor trying to make a point by seeking a confrontation, and getting one. Regardless of the story behind it, I hope that cooler heads prevail all around. There are lots of agitated and heavily armed people about.

Posted by: blaster at April 11, 2014 11:00 AM (4+AaH)

211 I think if Alex Wagner's returns were looked at, you'd find the typical "mistakes", loopholes, writeoffs, etc that ended up with her paying less in taxes than a busboy It's always the lefties who dodge their own taxes who make the loudest demands that OTHER people need to pay more

Posted by: kbdabear at April 11, 2014 11:00 AM (aTXUx)

212 You know who else were victims?


Burke and Hare.



If those people they killed hadn't been so easy to suffocate    they never would have   hatched the scheme to sell corpses to    Dr. Knox.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/i][/b] at April 11, 2014 11:00 AM (4df7R)

213 Real victim of the Johnstown Flood? Poor Frick and his country club. They lost their lake and road, after all!

Posted by: Obama History at April 11, 2014 11:00 AM (yRwC8)

214 But that's not Alex Wagner is it?

you'd have to find somebody who watched msnbc.

Posted by: Alex duh Wagner at April 11, 2014 11:01 AM (hUf/y)

215 My humblest apologies Tsarnaev brothers. I won't put you through that again.

Posted by: One legged marathoner at April 11, 2014 11:01 AM (SO2Q8)

216 We're watching this Nevada ranch thing.

Posted by: The Ghosts Of Lexington & Concord at April 11, 2014 11:01 AM (thLL8)

217 When they start telling you that you have to sew an Elephant on all your clothes?

It's time to find a place to stand.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Waiting For SMODOT) at April 11, 2014 11:01 AM (JS0vr)

218 What.... they run out of other places to look for that plane??? Posted by: fixerupper at April 11, 2014 03:00 PM (nELVU) 600,000 acres is a good place to hide a plane.

Posted by: RWC at April 11, 2014 11:01 AM (fWAjv)

219 I guess that might mean the Horde needs to reconsider having national moron meet up in Las Vegas.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 11, 2014 11:01 AM (XyM/Y)

220 Remember that scene from "Casino"? How business is really done?

Posted by: EC at April 11, 2014 02:58 PM (GQ8sn)

Business is actually done the same way today.  Resume's are bullshit.  No one read them one in a thousand are selected, if that.  It's who you know.  Who's a "friend of ours."

Those online HR resume thingys?  horseshit.  No one gets hired that way.

You know someone.  That's how you get a job.

Posted by: tangonine at April 11, 2014 11:02 AM (x3YFz)

221 It does not appear that this is necessarily a Federal government run amok trying to take a rancher's land story - it seems like a tax protestor trying to make a point by seeking a confrontation, and getting one.

Regardless of the story behind it, I hope that cooler heads prevail all around. There are lots of agitated and heavily armed people about.

Posted by: blaster at April 11, 2014 03:00 PM (4+AaH)



He has said he will pay the tax to the State but not the feds.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at April 11, 2014 11:02 AM (T2V/1)

222 The IRS is not allowed to use its power for any purpose beyond even-handed collection of taxes. This is a bright-line legal requirement. IRS employees are told that they will be personally charged with a crime if they abuse their IRS powers. So now we have evidence of an actual conspiracy of multiple IRS employees abusing their power... with orders from high-up in the IRS... for the purpose of tampering with an election! They stonewalled the Tea Party while not hampering the leftist groups. They damn well may have changed the outcome of a Presidential election. This scandal infuriates me. And the success of the MFM in burying the story infuriates me. Now this bint is frothing at the mouth about how trivial and insane the Republicans must be to care about this. And she's still employed at MSNBC, which tells you all you really need to know about MSNBC.

Posted by: mr_jack at April 11, 2014 11:02 AM (M59SC)

223 209 I thought the Nevada Gaming Commission ran the Strip? Or at least was the 800 Lb Gorilla on the Strip. Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Waiting For SMODOT) at April 11, 2014 03:00 PM (JS0vr) ************* Well if a casino wants to build anything they have to get the permits approved by Clark County. And then anything to do with traffic in and out of the casinos--that is also approved by Clark County.

Posted by: tasker at April 11, 2014 11:03 AM (RJMhd)

224 It is sad fucking state of affairs when even the most libertine among us are mindful of their clicks because somebody is listening.... somebody is watching.... somebody is taking notes. Posted by: fixerupper at April 11, 2014 02:56 PM (nELVU) fnord (nELVU) A well-respected CEO can be driven out for a minor political donation. Yes, you have to be careful who knows your opinions, people *are* being persecuted for their beliefs. Because the people who are supposed to stand against that kind of thing are sitting on their thumbs. Freedom isn't something you have, it's something you do, and not enough people are doing it to sustain it.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at April 11, 2014 11:03 AM (qyfb5)

225 Posted by: blaster at April 11, 2014 03:00 PM (4+AaH)

Yeah, keep telling yourself that an out of control government agency armed and prepared to kill people are the ones being reasonable about this.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Waiting For SMODOT) at April 11, 2014 11:03 AM (JS0vr)

226 Those online HR resume thingys? horseshit. No one gets hired that way.

You know someone. That's how you get a job.

Not always.  I got my first job by who I knew, but my current one was a direct result of being contacted on LinkedIn.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 11, 2014 11:03 AM (B/VB5)

227 That kid? He got me hanged.

Posted by: Zombie Tom Horn at April 11, 2014 11:03 AM (6I4go)

228 Kass is a promoter of sustainable farming and locally grown, organic foods[3] and is a critic of modern agricultural producers and fertilizer and pesticide companies.[3] He has also railed against the national lunch program as "disproportionately high in fat, preservatives and high-fructose corn syrup."[3] Kass has been criticized for his unwillingness to acknowledge the benefits of pesticides and fertilizers as well as the high cost of organic farming relative to corporate farming ------------------------------ It's the same Alice Waters slow food, localvore "sustainability" hippie bullshit that was so trendy 15 fucking years ago. Can't wait till this faggotry goes the way of the sous-vide fad and anything with "foam" that looks like the chef spit on your food. Fucking fuckbag.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 11, 2014 11:03 AM (CJjw5)

229 180 #162 I get your point and it's a great one, but you need to drop this part: "50% of the population is below average intelligence" Think about it a second and you'll see why. Posted by: Annoying Math Guy at April 11, 2014 02:52 PM (7ObY1) Yeah, it is a common misconception.

Posted by: eman at April 11, 2014 11:03 AM (0vpiS)

230 You'll do what we say and you'll like it. Now go get your shinebox.

Posted by: IRS at April 11, 2014 11:04 AM (ZPrif)

231 I read lots of comments on news stories about how "people need to pay more in taxes because that's patriotic" Same basement dwellers and paid trolls are the first to line up when Mama Government whips her tit out of course

Posted by: kbdabear at April 11, 2014 11:04 AM (aTXUx)

232 It sounds a lot more like Gordon Kahl than Ruby Ridge. If it is, he will shoot first and the whole narrative the entire mid term election cycle will be about tea party terrorists

Posted by: thunderb at April 11, 2014 11:04 AM (zOTsN)

233 If you consider that the human brain has 2 more or less independent hemispheres that could be of different intelligence, then, yes, half the population is below average intelligence.

Posted by: bergerbilder at April 11, 2014 11:04 AM (8MjqI)

234
See!
The bitch really did set me up.

Posted by: Marion Berry at April 11, 2014 11:04 AM (mETGQ)

235 Burke and Hare.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit at April 11, 2014 03:00 PM (4df7R)

The herring barrel scene.  I haven't laughed that hard in years.

Posted by: tangonine at April 11, 2014 11:04 AM (x3YFz)

236 Rory Reid us to be the Chairman of the Clark County Commissioners until he decided to run for governor and got his ass spanked by Sandoval. Sandoval beat him impressively by the way. Also Sandoval's resume is impressive as hell.

Posted by: tasker at April 11, 2014 11:05 AM (RJMhd)

237

We should've kicked those sperm in the nuts.

We should have been less divisive

We should never have gone near the wall

*hangs head in shame*

 

Posted by: 44,000,000 dead fetuses at April 11, 2014 11:05 AM (SO2Q8)

238 echoing the above - I did some research on the Nevada Ranch. I tend to look at the accounts prior to the catalyst. I'm leaning towards the "Dude, don't graze your cattle there." position. The tipping point for me is this: The rancher made a point of saying that he had paid the grazing fees to the county, rather than to the BLM. (This despite the fact that the ground has been off-limits for 20 years). I'd like to know if the rancher did, in fact, give the county money. Not that the county would know what to do with it.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at April 11, 2014 11:05 AM (4CVLy)

239 Those online HR resume thingys? horseshit. No one gets hired that way. You know someone. That's how you get a job Aye, And this is apparently part of my problem, I've used up all my favors.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 11, 2014 11:05 AM (HDwDg)

240 If you consider that the human brain has 2 more or less independent hemispheres that could be of different intelligence, then, yes, half the population is below average intelligence.

Posted by: bergerbilder at April 11, 2014 03:04 PM (8MjqI)

Doesn't make sense.  even remotely.

Posted by: tangonine at April 11, 2014 11:06 AM (x3YFz)

241 He has said he will pay the tax to the State but not the feds. No he won't, or he would have already done so and had the returned checks to prove it.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 11, 2014 11:06 AM (CJjw5)

242 Gordon Kahl only recognized the authority of the sheriff and not the fed. Posse Comitatus.

Posted by: thunderb at April 11, 2014 11:06 AM (zOTsN)

243 He has said he will pay the tax to the State but not the feds. Posted by: Vic at April 11, 2014 03:02 PM (T2V/1) fnord (T2V/1) He said he *already* paid the state, and the BLM just showed up, without talking to him, declared the contract void and started enforcing a new one he had no part of. To expand on that. It is pretty much go-to behavior for the government to just sweep in with lead hands and start slapping everyone around, and then get offended when people push back. It's true that "the audience" pretty much just gets a he-said-they-said about these stories, but one of the stories is consistent with past behavior and the other isn't. So there's that. We won't find out what actually happened until it's too late, if ever.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at April 11, 2014 11:06 AM (qyfb5)

244 It sounds a lot more like Gordon Kahl than Ruby Ridge. If it is, he will shoot first and the whole narrative the entire mid term election cycle will be about tea party terrorists - Way to harsh my mellow, dude.

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 11, 2014 11:07 AM (XUKZU)

245 Alright....too much Alex Wagner in this thread.



Time for Jill Wagner!



http://tinyurl.com/q2bf2me



Trivia:  I went to school with her, but not at the same time.  I graduated about 5 years before her.

Posted by: EC at April 11, 2014 11:08 AM (GQ8sn)

246 I moved to a different state.
I could hardly get an application in around here.
I've applied to one place 3-4 times (they're always advertising for people in a job that I'm well qualified for) but see, I'm not local, I don't have family working there so . . .

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Waiting For SMODOT) at April 11, 2014 11:08 AM (JS0vr)

247 And this is apparently part of my problem, I've used up all my favors.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 11, 2014 03:05 PM (HDwDg)

I have a habit of not burning, but also blowing bridges and I place claymores on the pursuit path.

This, apparently, is not what employers look for.

eh.... Fuck em. 

Posted by: tangonine at April 11, 2014 11:08 AM (x3YFz)

248 Less Alex Wagner...more Ride of the Valkyries, please.

Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at April 11, 2014 11:08 AM (DH7Uw)

249 Posted by: EC at April 11, 2014 03:08 PM (GQ8sn) Based on those pics from earlier, you did pretty well for yourself in any case

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 11, 2014 11:08 AM (HDwDg)

250 I've been neutral on the story because I don't know enough about it--but that comment by Tom Collins is over the line. It's borderline nuts.

Posted by: tasker at April 11, 2014 11:08 AM (RJMhd)

251 It does not appear that this is necessarily a Federal government run amok trying to take a rancher's land story - it seems like a tax protestor trying to make a point by seeking a confrontation, and getting one. Posted by: blaster at April 11, 2014 03:00 PM (4+AaH) No, it's about the new director of the BLM who was Harry Reid's senior advisor "enforcing the law" because his old boss wants that land for his solar panels that we're subsidizing If you swallow that bullshit that this is about "paying his fees like everybody else", you're buying into the cover story that Dingy Harry and his MSM mouthpieces want you to believe

Posted by: kbdabear at April 11, 2014 11:09 AM (aTXUx)

252 He has said he will pay the tax to the State but not the feds. Posted by: Vic at April 11, 2014 03:02 PM (T2V/1) See THIS is why we have to enact Common Core, so we can educate you land-loving knuckleheads to just do whatever the govt tells you! If you'd just fall in line none of this would ever happen!

Posted by: Dept of Education at April 11, 2014 11:09 AM (yRwC8)

253 Posted by: tangonine at April 11, 2014 03:08 PM (x3YFz) Meh, I just didn't curry enough favors I guess. I didn't really burn any bridges, I'm just finding that I didn't leave anyone indebted to me enough they want to stick their neck out. Such is life.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 11, 2014 11:10 AM (HDwDg)

254 Based on those pics from earlier, you did pretty well for yourself in any case

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 11, 2014 03:08 PM (HDwDg)



Thanks, but Jill looks like she's a fun girl too.

Posted by: EC at April 11, 2014 11:10 AM (GQ8sn)

255 As always if you want the true story you have to go to the foreign media.


http://tinyurl.com/lx7zsyh

Posted by: Vic[/i] at April 11, 2014 11:10 AM (T2V/1)

256 They're busy crafting their 'lone nut ' story . I ain't fuckin' buying it .

Posted by: awkward davies at April 11, 2014 11:10 AM (whqez)

257 shouldn't she be Alex Vagner?

Posted by: Since she's a fascist at April 11, 2014 11:11 AM (SO2Q8)

258 And to that I say: https://vine.co/v/MqmDdKWrdTX

Posted by: Rowan Atkinson at April 11, 2014 11:11 AM (8c12T)

259
From now on.
Every time I see a MSNBC story. I'm going to imagine that the propagandist has a clown nose on with calliope music playing in the background.

Posted by: YIKES! at April 11, 2014 11:11 AM (mETGQ)

260 So how the hell are the cows screwing with the turtles--they are eating the same bushes--or what? Can't they Co-Exist?

Posted by: tasker at April 11, 2014 11:11 AM (RJMhd)

261 As always if you want the true story you have to go to the foreign media. http://tinyurl.com/lx7zsyh Tanks for the link.

Posted by: Agenda 21 Refugee Living Under An Urban Bridge at April 11, 2014 11:12 AM (thLL8)

262 I didn't really burn any bridges, I'm just finding that I didn't leave anyone indebted to me enough they want to stick their neck out.

Such is life.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 11, 2014 03:10 PM (HDwDg)

So you're also in my boat of not ensuring people "owe" you anything because you're an honest person.

They call us "naive."

It's a mistake.

Posted by: tangonine at April 11, 2014 11:12 AM (x3YFz)

263 I don't know what the impetus of this Nevada conflict is. But the guys lingo is very Posse Comitatus, and that is a loser. I hope no one gets shot. Because if they do, this will be used to go after Tea Party, libertarian types like never before.

Posted by: thunderb at April 11, 2014 11:13 AM (zOTsN)

264 everything they said was obviously moronic, just brain-achingly stupid. And more importantly, easily disprovable by simple observation.

Exactly. And we are living it. AGW is but one example.

Also how did the "party of evolution" become the thoughtful party on race when "evolution" is one of the foremost modern arguments for racism? No one is ever forced to answer that.

Posted by: Mega at April 11, 2014 11:13 AM (hHFOx)

265 Shouldn't there be some celebrities holding up signs in sujpport of the government thugs out there in Nevada? Harry Reid has suddenly gone silent, too. Not that I mind, but shouldn't he be blaming this government thuggery on the Koch brothers or something? Kinda out of character that there are no cameras around greasy Harry on a 24 hour basis.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 11, 2014 11:13 AM (BZAd3)

266 Don't know.... Biden only Pawn in Game of Life

Posted by: Joe Biden at April 11, 2014 11:13 AM (aTXUx)

267 262 So how the hell are the cows screwing with the turtles--they are eating the same bushes--or what?

Can't they Co-Exist?

Posted by: tasker at April 11, 2014 03:11 PM (RJMhd)


The BLM has yet to say how those cows grazed there since 1870 w/o hurting these stupid turtles.  That right there proves that they are filthy liars and crooks.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at April 11, 2014 11:13 AM (T2V/1)

268 The tortii were fine when millions of buffalo were roaming the plains, they can handle 900 cows.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 11, 2014 11:13 AM (ZshNr)

269

Some more info on this recent flap and Tom Collin's big pie-hole:

It started when Darin Bushman, a Piute County, Utah, commissioner, called Collins about the Bureau of Land Management roundup of Bundy’s cattle in the Gold Butte area, about 80 miles northeast of Las Vegas. The cattle are being seized after Bundy failed to pay grazing fees over 20 years. When the conversation ended, Bushman posted on Facebook that Collins said Utahns are “inbred bastards” and if they come to Clark County to support Bundy they “better have funeral plans.” Collins also told Bushman that they should mind their “own (expletive) business.”

“Now that’s some classy leadership for you,” Bushman wrote in his post.

On Tuesday, Clark County commissioners will discuss decorum of commissioners, which was sparked in part by concerns about CollinsÂ’ recent statements, said commission Chairman Steve Sisolak. Sisolak said Collins wonÂ’t be the sole focus of that discussion, which will examine the broader issue of decorum.

Posted by: Cheri at April 11, 2014 11:13 AM (G+Wff)

270 There is a limited amount of forage in areas such as that. That's why they graze them on such large parcels and let them roam.

It's thin but over 600,000 acres, it can be enough for quite a few cattle.

I'd like to see why we think it's an economic benefit to spare these animals extinction at the expense of commerce and human expense.

They need to have to do a cost benefit study before any animal is allowed special protection.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Waiting For SMODOT) at April 11, 2014 11:15 AM (JS0vr)

271 Every time I see a MSNBC story. I'm going to imagine that the propagandist has a clown nose on with calliope music playing in the background.

Posted by: YIKES! at April 11, 2014 03:11 PM (mETGQ)

Accurate.  Not much else to add.

Posted by: tangonine at April 11, 2014 11:15 AM (x3YFz)

272 Man there's so much bad shit going on that I permanently look like Lee Harvey Oswald in that photograph when Jack Ruby pumped a round into his gut.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at April 11, 2014 11:16 AM (oFCZn)

273 Basically you can still graze your cattle here, where your family has grazed their cattle for over a hundred years, but you must pay us now. Because turtle.

Posted by: Your Government at Work at April 11, 2014 11:16 AM (Aif/5)

274 Little known fact: the Koch Brothers are the illegitimate children of Joe McCarthy.

Posted by: tu3031 at April 11, 2014 11:17 AM (nsQhi)

275 Just an FYI: Joe McCarthy was right.

So my question is this:

What do you call a witch hunt that keeps on finding witches?

Posted by: TANSTAAFL at April 11, 2014 11:17 AM (tqAT4)

276 Posted by: Mega at April 11, 2014 03:13 PM (hHFOx)

I know!

For a group of people that are sooo into evolution and the survival of the fittest, they spend a lot of time and money trying to keep the forces of evolution from having any effect.

Except about conservatives. We can just die.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Waiting For SMODOT) at April 11, 2014 11:18 AM (JS0vr)

277 I don't know what the impetus of this Nevada conflict is. But the guys lingo is very Posse Comitatus, and that is a loser. I hope no one gets shot. Because if they do, this will be used to go after Tea Party, libertarian types like never before. Posted by: thunderb Agree

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at April 11, 2014 11:19 AM (l3vZN)

278
The BLM has yet to say how those cows grazed there since 1870 w/o hurting these stupid turtles. That right there proves that they are filthy liars and crooks.

Posted by: Vic at April 11, 2014 03:13 PM (T2V/1)

Skip to the point.  Aint' about turtles or cows, it's about Hairy Reed's (misspelling intentional) son and a land grab.

Push through the bullshit and to straight at the throat:  hairy. fucking reed.

It ain't rocket surgery ffs.

Posted by: tangonine at April 11, 2014 11:19 AM (x3YFz)

279 Following his parole from prison, Kahl became active in the "township" movement, an early version of the "sovereign citizenship" belief which later became well known because of the Montana Freemen standoff. This movement sought to form parallel courts and governments purportedly based on English Common Law, and to withdraw recognition of the U.S. federal government. Township movement supporters as well as the Posse Comitatus attempted to organize among farmers in the American Midwest during the 1980s farm crisis. the pre-emptive right to graze? this dude is posse comitatus

Posted by: thunderb at April 11, 2014 11:19 AM (zOTsN)

280

From Vic's link:

 

The situation escalated on Sunday after Cliven Bundy's son, Dave Bundy, 37, was arrested for filming federal agents while outside an area designated for First Amendment activity on the restricted property. He was held overnight.

 

 

Now, I'm not well-versed in the merits of his ancestral usage claims, or whether it's county or state land misappropriated by the Feds, but FFS, there are zones for the First Amendment? And you can go to jail if you're outside the zone?

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at April 11, 2014 11:19 AM (JtwS4)

281 275 Basically you can still graze your cattle here, where your family has grazed their cattle for over a hundred years, but you must pay us now.

Because turtle.

Posted by: Your Government at Work at April 11, 2014 03:16 PM (Aif/5)


The BLM raised the fees to make it unprofitable to run cattle there.  They even said that the purpose was to end grazing there period.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at April 11, 2014 11:19 AM (T2V/1)

282 ...until you see the whites of their eyes


Breed's Hill, Bunker Hill, rural Nevada; all same-same...

Posted by: If you're not Cliven Bundy, you should be at April 11, 2014 11:19 AM (JyjXt)

283 I have to eat Lesser Prairie Chickens to survive and these assholes are worried about turtles?

Posted by: Agenda 21 Refugee Living Under An Urban Bridge at April 11, 2014 11:20 AM (thLL8)

284 272 There is a limited amount of forage in areas such as that. That's why they graze them on such large parcels and let them roam. It's thin but over 600,000 acres, it can be enough for quite a few cattle. I'd like to see why we think it's an economic benefit to spare these animals extinction at the expense of commerce and human expense. They need to have to do a cost benefit study before any animal is allowed special protection. Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Waiting For SMODOT) at April 11, 2014 03:15 PM (JS0vr) ************ So if the turtles are down in numbers and--well turtles--how can they cover or roam over 600,000 acres?

Posted by: tasker at April 11, 2014 11:20 AM (RJMhd)

285 jesus, who is this cunt?

Posted by: Buddha at April 11, 2014 11:20 AM (s/sIv)

286 Not coming at you, Vic. sorry if I downloaded on your post I just replied to the latest one. 

No insult intended.

Posted by: tangonine at April 11, 2014 11:21 AM (x3YFz)

287 And you can go to jail if you're outside the zone? Thank Bush for that little nugget.

Posted by: Agenda 21 Refugee Living Under An Urban Bridge at April 11, 2014 11:21 AM (thLL8)

288 Could we fence the turtles in--or would that be too McCarthy-ish?

Posted by: tasker at April 11, 2014 11:22 AM (RJMhd)

289 Weee little tiny fences--shouldn't cost that much.

Posted by: tasker at April 11, 2014 11:22 AM (RJMhd)

290 Not always. I got my first job by who I knew, but my current one was a direct result of being contacted on LinkedIn. Posted by: Ian S. at April 11, 2014 03:03 PM (B/VB5) ______ That's still sort of a who do you know. You were contacted on Linked In because you were networked with someone that was networked with someone who found you.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 11, 2014 11:22 AM (0LHZx)

291 Yes, it has nothing to do with turtles, no matter what the rancher has in his head/heart, this is a planned land grab.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 11, 2014 11:23 AM (ZshNr)

292 277 Just an FYI: Joe McCarthy was right. ***this***

Posted by: phoenixgirl at work at April 11, 2014 11:23 AM (6N6B6)

293 Posse Comitatus, from Wiki, FWIW The Posse Comitatus (from the Latin phrase meaning "force of the county")[1] is a loosely organized, far-right social movement that opposes the federal government of the United States and believes in localism. There is no single national group, and local units are autonomous. Posse charters were issued in 1969 in Portland, Oregon, by Henry Lamont Beach, "a retired dry cleaner and one-time member of the Silver Shirts, a Nazi-inspired organization that was established in America after Hitler took power in Germany."[2] William Potter Gale has been described by one expert as the founder of the movement.[3] Posse members believe that there is no legitimate form of government above that of the county level and no higher law authority than the county sheriff.[citation needed] If the sheriff refuses to carry out the will of the county's citizens: ...he shall be removed by the Posse to the most populated intersection of streets in the township and at high noon be hung by the neck, the body remaining until sundown as an example to those who would subvert the law.[4][5] Many Posse members practice survivalism and played a role in the formation of the armed citizens' militias in the 1990s. The Posse Comitatus pioneered the use of false liens and other paper terrorism.[6]

Posted by: thunderb at April 11, 2014 11:23 AM (zOTsN)

294 Push through the bullshit and to straight at the throat: hairy. fucking reed. It ain't rocket surgery ffs. Posted by: tangonine at April 11, 2014 03:19 PM (x3YFz) ----- Fracking. Mark my words.... at the end of the day.... this will be about turning this land over to developers. Cause it sure as shit aint **really** about a fucking turtle....

Posted by: fixerupper at April 11, 2014 11:23 AM (nELVU)

295 With Gordon Kahl the tax evasion was the minor issue. He only went to prison for it after he got on the radio and started telling people to stop paying taxes. He didn't even make that much over the years to even pay much in taxes. It's after he got out that the real trouble started. He and his sons killed two federal marshals delivering a warrant. At least one of his sons is still in prison for it.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at April 11, 2014 11:23 AM (oFCZn)

296 jesus, who is this cunt?

Posted by: Buddha at April 11, 2014 03:20 PM (s/sIv)



Harsh, man--and it isn't Jesus you should be asking. 




Posted by: If you're not Cliven Bundy, you should be at April 11, 2014 11:24 AM (JyjXt)

297 Cause it sure as shit aint **really** about a fucking turtle.... Posted by: fixerupper true that.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at April 11, 2014 11:25 AM (l3vZN)

298 Free your mind and your ass will follow.

Posted by: Buddha at April 11, 2014 11:26 AM (s/sIv)

299 Posted by: thunderb at April 11, 2014 03:19 PM (zOTsN)

There's a name for the syndrome where people see that the stories they see coming from the media, the government and other mouthpieces make statements that they know aren't true because they have knowledge about the facts of the matter.

Then those same people will turn around and believe something else those same media/government types (or similar) say about something else as if it's totally the facts.

I can't remember the name of this syndrome but I see it a lot here.

The media/infotainment industry/government/other interested parties

LIE. THEY LIE BECAUSE THEY HAVE A REASON TO LIE.

You cannot believe anything they say unless you can verify it yourself using other sources or personal knowledge or from those you trust and know to be truthful.

Don't be fooled.

Koresh was abusing children, Weaver was making illegal weapons, McVeigh acted alone. There's others that don't make the news or don't stay in the news for long but that's how they frame these things.

Get it THEY FRAME THE STORY?

Then they repeat it and repeat it until it's buried under a thousand lies.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Waiting For SMODOT) at April 11, 2014 11:26 AM (JS0vr)

300 Weee little tiny fences--shouldn't cost that much. Posted by: tasker at April 11, 2014 03:22 PM (RJMhd) Turtle crossings under the highways cost millions though. It's the highways that is killing all the turtles. They run out into traffic and can't dodge the way a squirrel can. Roads in the southwest always have smushed turtles that were slow off the mark.

Posted by: Tremblay the Poor at April 11, 2014 11:27 AM (UfmCv)

301 Posse Comitatus is also the name of a federal law that prohibits the use of military against US citizens.  But they weasel around it by making people like federal marshals into military and by using the National Guard.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act

Posted by: Vic[/i] at April 11, 2014 11:27 AM (T2V/1)

302 I was in college in ND when Gordon Kahl killed those federal marshalls. I am very very familiar with the facts of that case. That's why this case sounds so very similar to me. And a lot of these groups are also Christian Identity groups. I have no doubt what the government is trying to do, and I abhor it. But be very very careful before we wrap this guy in a flag and make him a martyr

Posted by: thunderb at April 11, 2014 11:28 AM (zOTsN)

303 Koresh was abusing children. Would those be the children burned alive by Janet Reno's flame throwing tanks?

Posted by: Agenda 21 Refugee Living Under An Urban Bridge at April 11, 2014 11:29 AM (thLL8)

304 BTW, I haven't heard or read anyone who saw the Gordon Kahl similarities. I arrived at that myself. This isn't coming form the MSM

Posted by: thunderb at April 11, 2014 11:31 AM (zOTsN)

305 I know a thing or two about post turtles!

Posted by: Barack Obama at April 11, 2014 11:32 AM (DrWcr)

306
So if the turtles are down in numbers and--well turtles--how can they cover or roam over 600,000 acres?
Posted by: tasker at April 11, 2014 03:20 PM (RJMhd)

Every see a herd of turtles?

Posted by: YIKES! at April 11, 2014 11:32 AM (mETGQ)

307 Nood up

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at April 11, 2014 11:32 AM (ojnk6)

308 What kills me about the news any more is that there are alway two (or more) sides to the story, instead of just the story. The whole story the way it actually is the story. Why can't we get it anymore? No wonder we're so divided. It's frustrating.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 11, 2014 11:33 AM (BZAd3)

309 Has the Harry Reid angle been confirmed anywhere? Hannity is picking up the story now- maybe someone at Fox can do some legal analysis. I have seen none to date.

Posted by: BunkerintheBurbs at April 11, 2014 11:34 AM (WDySP)

310

Randy Weaver was framed when the government was worried about the militia movement and Christian Identity groups.  He attended one meeting of the Militia of Montana and wasn't too interested.  The feds wanted a mole, so one arranged to buy a shotgun from him.  He didn't want to saw it shorter than 18", but the agent insisted it be 17.75".  Having entrapped him into selling an illegal shotgun, they tried to get him to infiltrate the militia.

 

When he wouldn't do that they arrested him on the gun charge.  They sent him a summons to appear in court one month after his actual court date. When he missed that date...well, they killed his son, the son's friend, and his wife who was holding baby Elishba in her arms.

 

Be careful about them saying "oh it's just some Christian Identity nuts" or whomever they pin it on.  They have a small army on site and they're arresting people for exercising the First Amendment in unapproved zones.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at April 11, 2014 11:34 AM (JtwS4)

311 Oh, I just remembered. Remember the Huttaree Militia?

They never proved the main charges. Not one. All they have is the weapons charges that they plead guilty to and they are penny ante stuff that the prosecutors threw in to try to force them to plea out.

FYI, you can be more easily charged with possession of a machine gun than you think.

The twits at the BATF have defined and redefined the meaning of what a machine gun is to the point that owning certain parts that COULD be used to manufacture a machine gun are considered a machine gun.

I don't know what the details for them were but I'd bet it's something like that. Or maybe one had jury rigged a trigger crank or something similar.

THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT YOUR FRIEND.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Waiting For SMODOT) at April 11, 2014 11:34 AM (JS0vr)

312 A news organization could mop up if they would just report the news, without the 'perspectives'. The problem with perspective a lot of the time is that both sides are full of shit.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 11, 2014 11:35 AM (BZAd3)

313 Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 11, 2014 03:35 PM (BZAd3)

Like say FOX NEWS?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Waiting For SMODOT) at April 11, 2014 11:37 AM (JS0vr)

314 It's using these McCarthyite tactics against the IRS that's driving the moderates from the GOP. It would be just better if we lied down and took it. You know, just like how successful men should just lean in to marrying middle aged career gals with cankles. Just saying, focusing on IRS gestapo tactics is why...uhhhh....the Cooch lost in Va. Just saying, we need to go hard left in order to win. signed, Romney 2012, McCain 2008, Booosh 2006

Posted by: joeindc44 at April 11, 2014 11:37 AM (+JbYP)

315 I abhor what the government is doing. But life is more complicated than, "this guy is bad, so that guy is all good". All I am saying is be careful.

Posted by: thunderb at April 11, 2014 11:39 AM (zOTsN)

316 I mean, Obama said there's not a smidgen of corruption and that's good enough for me. signed, xxoo Orrin Hatch

Posted by: joeindc44 at April 11, 2014 11:39 AM (+JbYP)

317 The rancher will be on Hannity rradio show at the top of the hour, he just said.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 11, 2014 11:41 AM (ZshNr)

318 The BLM has yet to say how those cows grazed there since 1870 w/o hurting these stupid turtles. That right there proves that they are filthy liars and crooks. Posted by: Vic at April 11, 2014 03:13 PM (T2V/1) In Utah, they did grazing studies, and found that cattle actually do fantastic grazing with deer and other animals out in non-pastured lands. I doubt they are hurting turtles at all. But why should the govt let facts get in the way when they can bully a simple rancher instead, and taze his son?

Posted by: LizLem at April 11, 2014 11:42 AM (yRwC8)

319 Seeing this for first time...wow, that is some fucking bizarre line of thinking.

Posted by: Serious Cat at April 11, 2014 11:48 AM (UypUQ)

320 in n interview Bundy said that cow manure is protein rich and the turtles eat it

Posted by: thunderb at April 11, 2014 11:52 AM (zOTsN)

321 Just who is this cunt, anyway?  They'll put anyone on TV these days.

Posted by: radar at April 11, 2014 11:55 AM (eNZFc)

322 Yeah they've been yelling McCarthy a lot lately, which is so rich in its irony, seven people have died of heart attacks. Its McCarthyism to hold someone accountable who used the federal government to persecute and intimidate political enemies.
In the next CNN story, a Democrat explains how that filthy whore was a rapist for having those six guys at the truck stop use her on the pinball machine.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 11, 2014 12:00 PM (zfY+H)

323 "Why do you keep hitting yourself?" says the older brother to the little brother.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Days of Rage Sale at the Outrage Outlet! at April 11, 2014 12:18 PM (hLRSq)

324 April 15th coming up. A lotta weird shit has happened in this country on April 15th lately

Posted by: tu3031 at April 11, 2014 12:25 PM (1Hxgp)

325 That was a parody right.  God help us if there exists humans that are THAT stoopid.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at April 11, 2014 12:29 PM (z+4T3)

326 So, Do the democrats stand with the IRS on this issue???

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at April 11, 2014 12:36 PM (z+4T3)

327 McCarthite? Wrong fool, its Clintonian or Wookieite smears. McCarthy had ti right and the Venona tapes demonstrate it.

Posted by: Veritas at April 11, 2014 02:04 PM (aqcYr)

328 This just in, Tina Turner under indictment for bruising Ike Turner's fists with her face. Clearly, she was the abusive one in the relationship.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 11, 2014 08:45 PM (zfY+H)

329 Joe McCarthy was an American patriot. When you use his name to refer to baseless political accusations, you are repeating a slander invented by leftists to further their assault on American society. I refer you to the book Black-listed By History for the very extensive details.

Posted by: Jerome at April 12, 2014 09:45 AM (eQa5p)

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