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April 18, 2014

— andy

National Review Online's Jonah Goldberg joins Ace, Drew, John and me for cocktails and banter and cocktails.

The yoga is hot, things are in hands, and no animals were harmed in the making of this podcast.

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Profanity Note (Ace): After weeks of very little cursing, we curse a lot in this one.

I mean, I curse a lot. It wasn't planned or anything.

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1 !

Posted by: m at April 18, 2014 01:06 PM (2AqeI)

2 OK then the animals are OK. Do an Ewok be an animal?

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 18, 2014 01:06 PM (0FSuD)

3 No animals were harmed? What about cisnormative microagressions?

Posted by: wooga at April 18, 2014 01:08 PM (6KuDG)

4 Isn't it about time for some Filipino to stumble in with nails in his hand?

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 18, 2014 01:08 PM (0FSuD)

5 It's weird seeing TV people -- ie real people -- here on the HQ. Ace and the cobs are mostly just invisible, imaginary people in my computer who may, or may not, be actual real people. But Jonah and Perino are on my TV. That's different. That's real. This is like when Stan Lee shows up in the Marvel movies. Stan Lee is an actual real dude. It's confusing in my brain.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 18, 2014 01:10 PM (ZPrif)

6 SpaceX press conference is on NASA TV right now.

Posted by: rickl at April 18, 2014 01:10 PM (zoehZ)

7 Red Planet Preppers! Now that was a band!

Posted by: Diogenes at April 18, 2014 01:10 PM (08Znv)

8 Oh, I just sent this to the "Ask The Blog" address, but Jill Biden's degree is even more bogus and shitty than he describes: http://tinyurl.com/mger9td She does not have a Ph.D. in education. Such things are possible but, thank heaven, quite rare. For a Ph.D., one is supposed to "create new knowledge" which is what has caused the general decline in the humanities. You can't "create new knowledge" by enjoying Shakespeare a whole lot and reading other peoples' conventional opinions of his work. You can by writing yet another treatise on some aspect of classism, racism, speciesism, etc., etc., etc. Jill Biden has a Doctorate of Education in "Educational Leadership". That's right. And it's pretty much exactly what you think it is if you follow the link. While a Ph.D. generally consists of 5 years of full-time work, culminating in a dissertation, an Ed.D. generally (and specifically in this case, if you follow the link) consists of 3-4 years of part-time work, culminating in...a portfolio. It's a cruel joke to call it a doctorate degree. I'd say it's a glorified Master's, but I can't think of a Master's degree that's even this easy. Maybe a Master's in Education is.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 18, 2014 01:11 PM (T0NGe)

9 Private army of Harry Reid is what is obsessing me right now. BLM is owned by Reid and there is only one more landowner between Reid and outright ownership of 85% of Nevada. How many divisions does BLM have -- especially compared to regular people? The Senator owns his own army.

Posted by: Mustbequantum at April 18, 2014 01:11 PM (MIKMs)

10 During the podcast, Jonah refers to Truthers as "Fuckwads", a technical term describing people who don't understand the effect massive increases in heat has on steel. See, I learned something technical, and my brother thinks I cannot. I am so eager for Thanksgiving so I can show off my new knowledge.

Posted by: MTF at April 18, 2014 01:13 PM (F58x4)

11 Has Ace endorsed Jeb Bush yet?

Posted by: Beto at April 18, 2014 01:13 PM (/vO0r)

12 Since I saw some music mentioned I will share what I saw today....there was a pickup in a fender bender next to the stoplight I was at. The license plate said J Jett. On his back window he had a huge picture of Joan Jett right in the center, then in all 4 corners he had pictures of Joan Jett. Also on either side of his big picture of her he had Joan Jett and the Blackhearts written out with little black hearts around it. The driver of this vehicle was a "seasoned citizen" with gray hair. My favorite part was his black jacket with.......wait for it.........Joan Jett written in big letters on the back. Now that's a fan

Posted by: Molly k. at April 18, 2014 01:14 PM (wqh09)

13 I'm just glad you fuckers were back to using profane language this week. Jonah drops a shit and Ace can stop saying Fucker there rest of the cast.

Posted by: Zakn at April 18, 2014 01:14 PM (7F9i5)

Anyone going to fess up to coining NRinO ?

Posted by: polynikes at April 18, 2014 01:14 PM (m2CN7)

15 I'd listen but it's one of my many, many triggers.

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 18, 2014 01:16 PM (5UteM)

16 If you compare all the guests this podcast has, it looks like Ace of Spades is the Frat/Flophouse side of NRO. Thinks they know something, but too drunk to write it for a magazine.

Posted by: Drunk Moron at April 18, 2014 01:17 PM (7F9i5)

17 Has the Rand bashing begun?

Posted by: Beto at April 18, 2014 01:17 PM (/vO0r)

8 -

I've seen that in a number of different fields, where nobody really needs more than a Master's degree. The doctoral degrees seem to be mostly bogus, and the people who pursue them are mostly full of it, to the point where they get their doctoral degrees, apparently just so they can call themselves doctors.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 18, 2014 01:20 PM (TOk1P)

19 President Obama on Friday signed into law a bill authored by Texas Republican Sen. Ted Cruz that would bar an Iranian diplomat from entering the United States, but immediately issued a statement saying he won't enforce it. Obama decided to treat the law as mere advice. - Oh, I see. Just advice. Like the constitution.

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 18, 2014 01:21 PM (XUKZU)

20 Hey, Anna, are you around? :-P

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 18, 2014 01:23 PM (9W+0f)

21 I hope you're happy.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 18, 2014 01:23 PM (9W+0f)

22 Is Goldberg as funny as he thinks he is?

Posted by: occam's brassiere at April 18, 2014 01:24 PM (zPTIw)

23 About this and Teutonburg. :-P

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 18, 2014 01:24 PM (9W+0f)

24 I know he's trying to reduce his profanity but any podcast is incomplete without Ace dropping a "bullshit". Thanks in advance.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at April 18, 2014 01:24 PM (/djtm)

25 Anyway, that's all I've got for now, so I hope it's sort of funny. :-P

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 18, 2014 01:25 PM (9W+0f)

26 I LOL'd.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at April 18, 2014 01:25 PM (/djtm)

27 12Now that's a fan Posted by: Molly k. at April 18, 2014 05:14 PM (wqh09) Or a stalker.

Posted by: rickl at April 18, 2014 01:26 PM (zoehZ)

28 "27 I LOL'd. Posted by: Golfman in NC at April 18, 2014 05:25 PM (/djtm)" Thanks. :-]

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 18, 2014 01:26 PM (9W+0f)

29 "National Review Online's Jonah Goldberg joins Ace, Drew, John and me for cocktails and banter and cocktails." This is improper according to the AoSHQ Stylebook. Please rewrite: "National Review Online's Jonah Goldberg joins Ace, Drew, John and me for cocktails and banter but mostly cocktails."

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel, Premium Membership Plan at April 18, 2014 01:27 PM (1CroS)

30 How many "um"'s and "Looks" from Goldberg? Over/ under is 12.5 altogether.

Posted by: occam's brassiere at April 18, 2014 01:29 PM (QxQzs)

31 Looks like it's going to be a slow thread. Later, all. God bless. :-)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 18, 2014 01:29 PM (9W+0f)

32 Jonah Goldberg is teh awesome. I've read his stuff, and he is fucking smart.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 18, 2014 01:30 PM (bb5+k)

33 "Um, look..." only counts as one...fyi.

Posted by: occam's brassiere at April 18, 2014 01:30 PM (QxQzs)

34 Kudos to stitcher which is like fucking magic.

Posted by: scottst at April 18, 2014 01:31 PM (37ELS)

35 The doctoral degrees seem to be mostly bogus, and the people who pursue them are mostly full of it, to the point where they get their doctoral degrees, apparently just so they can call themselves doctors. Posted by: BurtTC at April 18, 2014 05:20 PM (TOk1P) The funny thing is that the AP style guide says that the only people who should be referred to as "Doctor" are medical doctors. Even Ph.D.s.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 18, 2014 01:32 PM (T0NGe)

36 I'd break buds with Jonah Goldberg.

Posted by: SFGoth at April 18, 2014 01:32 PM (is0hY)

37 His book 'Liberal Fascism' is excellent. Was reading it in an airport bar a number of years ago. Got into an interesting discussion with a Cali moonbat. Gawd those people are stupid.

Posted by: Infidel at April 18, 2014 01:32 PM (Z1SI2)

38 When are you gonna have me on ace?

Posted by: Marcel Marceau at April 18, 2014 01:32 PM (32Ze2)

39 A lot by normal human standards or a lot by Horde standards or a lot by my standards? Because those vary just a tad.

Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at April 18, 2014 01:32 PM (JACYy)

40 This obviously strategic communications. This is probably part of that "stray voltage" theory. Reid is willing to be a public idiot/asshole just to put that Tea Party=Terrorists meme out there. Weasel Zippers ‏@weaselzippers Harry Reid Doubles Down: Bundy Ranch Supporters Â“Violent Terrorist WannabesÂ”Â… http://shar.es/TjUWR via @WeaselZippers

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 18, 2014 01:33 PM (ZPrif)

41 Define normal human to the horde.

Posted by: Infidel at April 18, 2014 01:34 PM (Z1SI2)

42 Metaphorically, AoSHQ is the bench research arm of the scientific community. Ideas are tested, roughly, and that which shows signs of productive use are absorbed by the acceptable venues to be polished for general consumption. And then the Idiocracy ignores it.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at April 18, 2014 01:34 PM (1CroS)

43 Define normal human to the horde. Posted by: Infidel at April 18, 2014 05:34 PM (Z1SI2) /scratches /awaits

Posted by: tangonine at April 18, 2014 01:35 PM (x3YFz)

44 Got the podcast going right now. Can't wait to see if Drew identifies on the doll where Mitt Romney touched him.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 18, 2014 01:36 PM (ZshNr)

45 Metaphorically, AoSHQ is the bench research arm of the scientific community. Ideas are tested, roughly, and that which shows signs of productive use are absorbed by the acceptable venues to be polished for general consumption. And then the Idiocracy ignores it. Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at April 18, 2014 05:34 PM (1CroS) We Are Bridge Four!

Posted by: tangonine at April 18, 2014 01:36 PM (x3YFz)

46 How many "um"'s and "Looks" from Goldberg? Over/
under is 12.5 altogether.

Posted by: occam's brassiere

Wow. Just how many times did Jonah take a shit in your pillowcase at college?

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i][/b] at April 18, 2014 01:37 PM (ujux6)

47 Um, look...that's none of your business.

Posted by: occam's brassiere at April 18, 2014 01:39 PM (qbTcd)

48 "Jill Biden has a Doctorate of Education in 'Educational Leadership'. That's right. And it's pretty much exactly what you think it is if you follow the link."

Even the genuine Ph.D programs in edumacation these days are a complete joke.

I read a firsthand account at one point by someone who had infiltrated the program at their local university, trying to find out if things were as bad as they seemed, and finding that the actual situation was even worse than it seemed.

The work required for that doctorate is trifling in amount, and has essentially no rigor whatsoever, beyond dutifully parroting various progressive catch phrases.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 18, 2014 01:41 PM (noWW6)

49 Define normal human to the horde. Posted by: Infidel at April 18, 2014 05:34 PM (Z1SI2) For purposes of this discussion only the term normal human shall refer to a member of the human species specifically to such a member who would be willing not to say eager to punch you in the face for using such language in front of Aunt Millie at Easter Dinner.

Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at April 18, 2014 01:43 PM (JACYy)

50 When are you gonna have me on ace? Posted by: Marcel Marceau ISWYDT.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 18, 2014 01:44 PM (8D0/R)

51 19 8 - I've seen that in a number of different fields, where nobody really needs more than a Master's degree. The doctoral degrees seem to be mostly bogus, and the people who pursue them are mostly full of it, to the point where they get their doctoral degrees, apparently just so they can call themselves doctors. Posted by: BurtTC at April 18, 2014 05:20 PM (TOk1P) BS= bull shit MS= more shit PhD= pile higher deeper

Posted by: Buzzion at April 18, 2014 01:49 PM (qSXr2)

52 Reach down ..., between my legs ..., and ease the seat back.

Posted by: Mike in the Hinterlands at April 18, 2014 01:50 PM (wIEXv)

53 I would never say that in front of Aunt Millie at Easter. Or Grandma. Not on Easter anyway.

Posted by: Infidel at April 18, 2014 01:51 PM (Z1SI2)

54 torquewrench: "The work required for that doctorate is trifling in amount, and has essentially no rigor whatsoever, beyond dutifully parroting various progressive catch phrases." I think this the natural progression - extension, really - of the progressing American educational system. Compare the high school diploma of today to the one from the '50s. College must now fill-in for the educational void left by our faltering and misguided K-12 institutions. Now, it would appear, that Masters and PhDs are needed to fill the void left from acquiring a Bachelors. The lowering of the common denominators in order to ensure that "everyone must have a college degree" has diluted the value of the very thing so "essential" to being considered educated. The insult to injury, of course, is that participants must now accumulate great debt to get a weaker ply of paper AND pay inflated prices for it because it is so heavily subsidized by the government that universities need not restrain fees. The DOOM will continue until morale improves.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at April 18, 2014 01:52 PM (1CroS)

55 "BS= bull shot MS= more shot PhD= pile higher deeper" Um, the tyranny of cliche. Look, Jonah would be proud?

Posted by: occam's brassiere at April 18, 2014 01:55 PM (4Erqm)

56 Two weeks in a row with big time guest! Is this place starting to get respectable?

And, two weeks in a row that the podcast was very entertaining; top notch even. Keep up the good stuff.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 18, 2014 01:56 PM (IN7k+)

57 Yeah, if they keep this up we are all going to have to keep our pants on.

Posted by: Infidel at April 18, 2014 01:57 PM (Z1SI2)

58 Infidel: "Yeah, if they keep this up we are all going to have to keep our pants on." At which point I'm canceling my Premium Membership. Canceling I say!

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel, Premium Membership Plan at April 18, 2014 01:59 PM (1CroS)

59 Stupid autocorrect not liking me use shit.

Posted by: Buzzion at April 18, 2014 01:59 PM (qSXr2)

60 [Insert Lie Here]

Posted by: Barack Obama (Approves This Message) at April 18, 2014 02:05 PM (1CroS)

61 Fret not, buzzion, autosyntax will arrive someday.

Posted by: occam's brassiere at April 18, 2014 02:06 PM (hglGK)

62 Worst Podcast Ever... -Comic book Guy

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 18, 2014 02:09 PM (ZshNr)

63 "At which point I'm canceling my Premium Membership."

Remember, you have to eat the return shipping cost on all unused ampersands.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 18, 2014 02:13 PM (noWW6)

64 Fantastic that you got him. Can't wait to listen tonight.

Posted by: Dave S. at April 18, 2014 02:15 PM (h1gQR)

65 Tolerant, loving "Freedom from religion" folks at it again-this time in WI-because they couldn't possibly allow people to celebrate Christian holidays in peace. When they erect anti Islam, anti Mohammed signs in Dearborn please let me know. http://tinyurl.com/kawckme And what is this nonsense about "Jesus Christ is a myth". Are they seriously suggesting that Jesus Christ didn't ever exist?!. Even an Agnostic non believer in Jesus' resurrection Bart Ehrmann thinks it's ludicrous to suggest Jesus never existed.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 18, 2014 02:15 PM (XyM/Y)

66 I listen to a lot of podcasts, and Ace of Spades has moved to the top of my list. Just fantastic stuff. They don't interrupt with live-read commercials, which I like, but the capitalist in me wants them to make some money off it since it's so good. Keep it up. I think the podcast reputation is building--first Dana and now Jonah. Be prepared for some laugh-out-loud moments. I had them while listening at the gym and looked like a moron a few times, especially during the "piss boy" discussion and Ace improving a caller to "The Dr. Jill Show".

Posted by: T-Lo at April 18, 2014 02:36 PM (zeF44)

67 Loling at work with that 'Guess what's in my hand' comment. With ace (and Jonah as well) going blue you don't really notice Gab'es absence so much.

Posted by: waelse1 at April 18, 2014 02:37 PM (j3mix)

68 thanks for the encouragement!

Posted by: ace at April 18, 2014 02:39 PM (/FnUH)

69 >>>Loling at work with that 'Guess what's in my hand' comment. i think that came from a commenter named "Dang."

Posted by: ace at April 18, 2014 02:39 PM (/FnUH)

70 Posted by: T-Lo at April 18, 2014 06:36 PM (zeF44) Thanks and I'm not going to lie...I've wanted to "meet" Jonah for years and spending 3 minutes doing "piss boy" jokes is EXACTLY how I imaged it would go. One item off the old bucket list!

Posted by: DrewM. at April 18, 2014 02:40 PM (r5Qcm)

71 Jonah was a great guest. Nice job, guys.

Posted by: garrett at April 18, 2014 03:03 PM (KgFhV)

72 Spoiler: pretty sure Jonah get a BJ during quick hits

Posted by: fabio at April 18, 2014 03:10 PM (uxJMc)

73 I listened to the podcast this morning. Pretty tame, language-wise until after a few minutes in, Goldberg said "sh*t" and then it was like that scene in "The Vikings" when Ernest Borgnine jumped into the wolf pit.

Posted by: mrp at April 18, 2014 03:14 PM (JBggj)

74 I listened to the whole thing. Since this is, I think, only the second time I've done so, I doubt my advice would be heeded. But I think it needs to be tightened up--perhaps there should be a theme with each guest, such as discussing his or her new book, a big story they've been a part of, or something to kind of base the episode around.

As it is, I felt myself drifting in and out of listening. Of course, I do that with the works of Mozart as well, so that probably means you guys are all awesome and stuff.

Posted by: Null at April 18, 2014 04:11 PM (xjpRj)

75 One of the best podcasts ever (IMHO).

Posted by: dweezil at April 18, 2014 06:30 PM (8lVG1)

76 Best episode of the podcast so far.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 18, 2014 06:45 PM (102Hx)

Another great podcast, guys!

Thanks.

Posted by: wheatie at April 18, 2014 08:34 PM (fAjDo)

78 Sorry. First one in month I didn't listen to. Auto download so it got downloaded then deleted. When Goldberg and Podheretz went through their whining about being called RINOs when they acted like, well, RINOs during the Cruzathon, it meant to me they were "self-proclaimed RINOs" and therefore treated as all RINOs should be treated- not at all.

Posted by: swatter at April 21, 2014 06:40 AM (3Pgj6)

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