February 07, 2014

BREAKING: "No, Liberals Don't Control the Democratic Party"
— DrewM

Everything you think you know about the Democratic Party is wrong! Not only isn't it very liberal, there are hardly any liberals in it!

Just a bunch of gosh darn, honest to goodness mainstream Americans.

In a classroom in Harlem, the liberal new mayor of New York, Bill de Blasio, appeared with union leaders in support of his plan to raise taxes on incomes higher than $500,000 to fund public pre-kindergarten. "We're asking this of the wealthy," de Blasio said, "because there are too many working parents in this city today" who need help.

At the same time, New York Governor Andrew Cuomo was presenting his budget in Albany under a sign that trumpeted: "CUTTING TAXES."

You could hardly get a better illustration of the current tribal divide in the Democratic Party. Call it what you want—liberals versus centrists, populists versus the corporate wing—but these days, there's no doubt there are two different breeds of Democrats, both in elected office and in the activist grassroots. Along with Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth Warren, de Blasio has been hyped as the avatar of a new, more boldly progressive Democratic Party that discards the timid moderation advocated by the party's old guard in favor of a frank, take-no-prisoners crusade for higher taxes and bigger government.

Andrew Cuomo...poster boy for the centrist wing of the Democratic party. Well, so long as you consider gun grabbing and unfettered access to abortion "centrist".

And that's exactly what MSM reporters like Molly Ball think.

Want more proof of the disconnect?

This dynamic means that compared to Republicans, Democrats are relatively free to antagonize their ideological core supporters.

Huh?

As someone who writes almost everyday on how the GOP antagonizes conservatives this strikes me as, what's the term? Nuts. Yes, that's the term.

The Democrats occasionally fail to deliver everything their base wants but they are pretty much on the same page. It's not like the Democratic party establishment is telling the base, "we have to cut spending and we're going to push for an enforcement only immigration bill". Yes, there are times when Obama and Reid don't move the ball as far left as liberals want but unlike their GOP counterparts, they aren't actually moving the ball in the opposite direction from the base. That's an important difference.

Just how deep is Ball's disconnect from reality on this key distinction? Really deep.

The real answer to the question of who is in charge of the Democratic Party, Moulitsas said, is "the president of the United States." The question of where to put Obama on the liberal-to-centrist scale haunts any debate about the modern Democratic Party. Even as his opponents brand him a socialist, Obama's administration has disdained what former Press Secretary Robert Gibbs termed the "professional left." One attempt to evaluate the question empirically found him to be more liberal than Senate Democrats, but less liberal than Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, or John F. Kennedy. Obama has often seemed torn between a liberal philosophy and a desire to split differences. He approved healthcare reform with no public option, a Wall Street-reform bill the left saw as inadequate, and a succession of budget deals progressives have decried.

So much nonsense.

First of all, Obama was the liberal alternative to Hillary Clinton back in 2008. Remember he was the pure anti-war candidate who deep down favored single payer (video) health reform as opposed to the triangulating half-measures of the Clintons. That he's been unable to do all the things he really wants to do doesn't mean he's not a hard left liberal, it means he simply hasn't been very effective in getting his way.

Keep in mind Obama didn't object to a public option, he objected to killing a massive liberal government power grab. Had the Democrats gone whole hog for a public option, they would have lost Joe Liberman (I-Hartford, the insurance capital of the world). Obama's objections to forcing a public option in the bill was purely practical, not ideological.

Liberals run this line a lot...Obama isn't a liberal, look how corporate ObamaCare is. Just because he couldn't get all liberals wanted doesn't mean what he did get wasn't a large leap to the left.

Obviously we could go on all day about how liberal Obama is but that's not really the issue. The issue is how so many in the media are simply blinded to how ideological they are.

I once had a Twitter exchange with a reporter who called some GOP Senator "Rightwing". I asked the reporter when was the last time he identified a Democrat as "leftwing". He couldn't think of a time but when pressed couldn't think of a Senator he'd call "leftwing". I suggested starting with self-identified socialist Bernie Sanders. The reporters response was he wouldn't call Sanders leftwing because Sanders wasn't that far out of the mainstream of the Democratic party. That was exactly the point I was trying to make, the Democrats are all leftwing. It never occurred to him that if a socialist was in the broader main of a political party that entire party was pretty far left. He just took it as normal.

No wonder people who think Andrew Cuomo is a centrist think John Boehner is a raving rightwing lunatic.

Posted by: DrewM at 09:11 AM | Comments (452)
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1 I feel all boxed in.

Posted by: HR at February 07, 2014 09:11 AM (ZKzrr)

2 He's right. Communists control the Democrat Party.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 07, 2014 09:14 AM (0LHZx)

3 BREAKING: "No, Liberals Don't Control the Democratic Party" —DrewM. Duh. Commies do.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at February 07, 2014 09:14 AM (r+7wo)

4 And no, there are no "liberals" in the top ranks of the DNC.  They run the spectrum from Fascists to Maoists to Stalinists and maybe a few Trotskyites, but they're all totalitarians, nothing liberal about them.

Posted by: HR at February 07, 2014 09:14 AM (ZKzrr)

5 What a wretched hive of villainy ...

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 07, 2014 09:15 AM (u7qIz)

6 Liberal centrist is an oxymoron, right?

Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at February 07, 2014 09:15 AM (Dwehj)

7
..... what...No "Sugarbritches"????

Posted by: fixerupper at February 07, 2014 09:16 AM (nELVU)

8 We all should have a bigger piece of a shrinking pie.

Posted by: Barky O'Genius at February 07, 2014 09:16 AM (8ZskC)

9 No kidding. The left think they are the center of the universe; therefore, centrists.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: TGIF! at February 07, 2014 09:16 AM (IXrOn)

10 Molly Ball's deep.


Posted by: EC at February 07, 2014 09:16 AM (GQ8sn)

11 Self Delusion is baked into the Democrat cake.

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 07, 2014 09:16 AM (bb5+k)

12 When facts won't convince them their policies don't work, arguing with them about left/right, extremist/moderate, seems like beating your head against a wall.

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at February 07, 2014 09:16 AM (yE8uc)

13 "Pre-Kindergarden" is just shot for baby sitter.  As for the Democrat Party, they are all either liberals or outright communists like OBama.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at February 07, 2014 09:17 AM (T2V/1)

14 Russia is so... how do I say it? White. And, what's with all the disrespectin' wearing coats indoors?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: TGIF! at February 07, 2014 09:17 AM (IXrOn)

15 When eating a shrinking pie, one should use a spoon, not a shovel.

Posted by: Milton Friedman at February 07, 2014 09:17 AM (8ZskC)

16 I object. Any post about Andrew Cuomo should have a picture of the Christmas tree with the silver tiger. Because of the *awesome*.

Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at February 07, 2014 09:17 AM (VtjlW)

17 I have brought communism out of the closet, out of the repressive shadows.

Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at February 07, 2014 09:18 AM (Dwehj)

18 Nobody is celebrating divershitty in Russia.

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 07, 2014 09:18 AM (6bMeY)

19 You wingnuts may depart the thread.

Posted by: Gov. Andrew Cuomo, Centrist at February 07, 2014 09:18 AM (8ZskC)

20 "No, Liberals Don't Control the Democratic Party" Communists Do!

Posted by: redguy at February 07, 2014 09:18 AM (d8wEw)

21

>>>>The Democrats occasionally fail to deliver everything their base wants but

 

 

The GOP invariably makes up the shortfall.

Posted by: Bigby's Frostbitten Hands at February 07, 2014 09:18 AM (3ZtZW)

22 Molly Ball,  inside the bubble "journalist".

Posted by: Dang at February 07, 2014 09:18 AM (MNq6o)

23 Just how deep is Ball's

I laughed out loud.

Posted by: Waterhouse at February 07, 2014 09:18 AM (hBNxo)

24 And just think about it people, it's this sort of deluded Liberal Democrat who decides what gets broadcast through the television networks. We aren't going to fix the problem until we can compete and neuter these barking moonbats.

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 07, 2014 09:18 AM (bb5+k)

25 >>In a classroom in Harlem, the liberal new mayor of New York, Bill de Blasio, appeared with union leaders in support of his plan to raise taxes on incomes higher than $500,000 to fund public pre-kindergarten. Not only is this fool too stupid and lazy to learn from history, he's too much of a cretin to learn from what is happening RIGHT NOW in France. Over/under on when this idiot will completely destroy NYC? Heck of a job, New York. And I'm sure they're just lapping it up and in a couple of years when things have gone down the drain, they still won't think to associate the disaster with their Commie mayor.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at February 07, 2014 09:18 AM (r+7wo)

26 There will soon be pie for all.

Posted by: Pol Pot, Centrist at February 07, 2014 09:19 AM (8ZskC)

27 I have declared today National Quit Your Job Day.

Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at February 07, 2014 09:19 AM (Dwehj)

28 Great. Not only is the far Left firmly in control of the country, they're stark raving insane to boot. No, this won't end well.

Posted by: rickl at February 07, 2014 09:20 AM (zoehZ)

29 How dare you criticize our betters in our DNC establishment, Drew! The Party knows what it's doing.
I'm never reading another thread of yours ever again.

Posted by: polyStraw at February 07, 2014 09:20 AM (LLfr9)

30 I saw this and thought "that chick's too pink for me."

Posted by: Bob's big eye at February 07, 2014 09:20 AM (yrjAy)

31 Heck of a job, New York. And I'm sure they're just lapping it up and in a couple of years when things have gone down the drain, they still won't think to associate the disaster with their Commie mayor. Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at February 07, 2014 01:18 PM (r+7wo) Or the history of leftism in NY in general. They certainly cannot argue it was a conservative state.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: TGIF! at February 07, 2014 09:20 AM (IXrOn)

32 When your enemies are fighting among themselves, stay the hell out of their way. A stupid quote by someone, true though.

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 07, 2014 09:20 AM (0FSuD)

33 Democrats are both wings of a snow white dove.



Obama.

uuu    uuu   uuu


Posted by: Stevie Knicks at February 07, 2014 09:21 AM (KQp38)

34 They are all communist scum. The only differences is in what they think they can get away with.

Posted by: Methos at February 07, 2014 09:21 AM (hO9ad)

35 Stalin was a centrist. He had his political rivals shot in the center of the back of their heads.

Posted by: rickl at February 07, 2014 09:21 AM (zoehZ)

36 A Pie in every Pie!

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at February 07, 2014 09:22 AM (0HooB)

37 Here's mud in your eye.

Posted by: Bob Costas at February 07, 2014 09:22 AM (6bMeY)

38 I want Americans to just stay home and read to their illegitimate kids.

Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at February 07, 2014 09:22 AM (Dwehj)

39 And liberal Grimes is going to beat "conservative" Mitch McConnell on November. But we are supposed to support him even though he fights conservatives all the time. I wish he acted like the democrats do with their base. Instead we get a closet rightwing democrat who votes as a corporatist.

Posted by: NWConservative at February 07, 2014 09:22 AM (f9k6U)

40 A stupid quote by someone, true though. Posted by: Nip Sip at February 07, 2014 01:20 PM (0FSuD) Napoleon.

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 07, 2014 09:22 AM (bb5+k)

41 I'm sure Hitler was considered a centrist in the Germany. After all, he was right in the center of the mainstream.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at February 07, 2014 09:22 AM (r+7wo)

42 I always thought Costas looked stoned in his "normal state." The pink eye? Just enhances the weirdness of Costas.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: TGIF! at February 07, 2014 09:22 AM (IXrOn)

43 PETA will go nuts. All of that fur in Russia on display.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: TGIF! at February 07, 2014 09:23 AM (IXrOn)

44 New Normal.
Democrats are normal, conservatives are extremists radicals.


Posted by: J. U. Pavik at February 07, 2014 09:23 AM (T0S3Y)

45 This eye is sort of growing on me.

Posted by: Bob Costass at February 07, 2014 09:23 AM (Dwehj)

46 Crazy Joe Biden said that just about all Americans agree with Democrats on everything.

I believe him.

Posted by: Guy with Massive Head Trauma at February 07, 2014 09:23 AM (jjaLl)

47 "Moderate" Democrats - taxpayer funded sex change operations for convicted murders

"Far Right" Republicans - the only spending we can cut are military pensions.

Uh...yeah...

Posted by: 18-1 at February 07, 2014 09:23 AM (P3U0f)

48 Hey new York finance, if you can leave your commie voting there, come down here, we used to have a ton of banking that took a shit, you can have their space. Much lower taxes and getting lower still. If you get homesick for commieville, you could always just visit Asheville or chapel hill.

Posted by: traye at February 07, 2014 09:23 AM (yrjAy)

49 First we "cut" taxes. Then we cut off conservatives heads.

Posted by: Andrew Cuomo at February 07, 2014 09:24 AM (Aif/5)

50 43 PETA will go nuts. All of that fur in Russia on display. We don't think so.

Posted by: Greenpeace prisoners. at February 07, 2014 09:24 AM (0FSuD)

51 11 year old just accidentally shot to death by his brother in Mattapan, a low-income/high crime 'burb of Boston. I know because half a dozen yahoos just started posting about how guns are "too available" to children in Boston.

Posted by: Lincolntf at February 07, 2014 09:24 AM (ZshNr)

52 Crazy Joe Biden said that just about all Americans agree with Democrats on everything.
***
like shooting a warning shot through your front door with a shotgun...

Posted by: 18-1 at February 07, 2014 09:24 AM (P3U0f)

53 Say, what kind of political music acts do you usually have here?

Oh, we have both kinds- liberal and socialist.

Posted by: The Democratic Party at February 07, 2014 09:24 AM (SY2Kh)

54 All of that fur in Russia on display.

Nice beaver.

Posted by: Lt Frank Drebin at February 07, 2014 09:25 AM (hBNxo)

55 I like how it is assumed as a fact that JFK was MORE liberal than Obaaama.

Please be naming the liberal laws pushed and passed under JFK? The "more liberal" positions he campaigned upon and advocated?

In fact, please name one, single statement by JFK that the modern leftists of the Democrat Party agree with.

Posted by: RoyalOil at February 07, 2014 09:25 AM (VjL9S)

56 FWIW, When I teach about Anthony Downs and his theory about two party systems, I get a lot of pushback--primarily from the Dem side.  They simply do not think of themselves as leftists and reject the idea that their party's median voter is much more liberal than the general median ideological views of the general public.  Conservatives, while sometimes mistaking how popular their ideas are, normally embrace that the Republican party's median should be to the right of the general public and want the Republicans to be a more explicitly right wing party.  Moderates just get pissed off that they are not the majority in either party. 

Posted by: wg at February 07, 2014 09:25 AM (2EzL+)

57 "We're asking this of the wealthy," de Blasio said, "because there are too many working parents in this city today" who need help. Could just be me, but rapacious taxation is not "asking." Language matters.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 07, 2014 09:25 AM (659DL)

58 Silly goose, pre-k doesn't improve students performance past 4th grade.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at February 07, 2014 09:25 AM (WdbF7)

59 Not only is this fool too stupid and lazy to learn from history, he's too much of a cretin to learn from what is happening RIGHT NOW in France.

Over/under on when this idiot will completely destroy NYC?

Let it burn.

Make the most of it.

Bring Marshmallows.

Posted by: Methos at February 07, 2014 09:25 AM (hO9ad)

60 If you get homesick for commieville, you could always just visit Asheville or chapel hill. Posted by: traye ------------------------------ No shit, maaannnn. We got drum circles too!

Posted by: Actual Asheville Taxpayer at February 07, 2014 09:26 AM (aDwsi)

61 The Democratic Party is a bastion of liberality and tolerance and diversity and stuff! And Vlad Putin is a peacemaker and a great man!

More glue, please!!

Posted by: Bob Costas at February 07, 2014 09:26 AM (AiYlm)

62 38 I want Americans to just stay home and read to their illegitimate kids. Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at February 07, 2014 01:22 PM (Dwehj) Don't get me started on this. Somehow, people who deliberately choose to become single moms are now the angels of society to be admired by all and elevated to the highest place in our thoughts. Don't you feel for the plight of our hardworking single mom? At least, they didn't have their kids dismembered in the womb, so there's that.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at February 07, 2014 09:26 AM (r+7wo)

63 11 year old just accidentally shot to death by his brother in Mattapan, a low-income/high crime 'burb of Boston. I know because half a dozen yahoos just started posting about how guns are "too available" to children in Boston.


Horrible.  Just horrible.  And we'll take our gun back now, please.

Posted by: ABC News at February 07, 2014 09:26 AM (8ZskC)

64 That's right America give me both barrels, God love ya.

Posted by: Joe Biden at February 07, 2014 09:26 AM (Aif/5)

65 Putin. heh.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: TGIF! at February 07, 2014 09:26 AM (IXrOn)

66

... but less liberal than Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, or John F. Kennedy

 

 

You could make an argument that he's not quite as liberal as Carter if you strain yourself and give bonus points to liberal for every example of "incompetent".

 

But the other two?  Free trade NAFTA end of welfare as we know it Clinton?  Tax cutting cold warrior Kennedy?  He's less liberal than they were? 

 

It's as if people don't care about actual history, or factiness, or what happened.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at February 07, 2014 09:26 AM (A0sHn)

67 In fact, please name one, single statement by JFK that the modern leftists of the Democrat Party agree with. Um, the executive order OKing public sector unions?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at February 07, 2014 09:27 AM (0HooB)

68 Isn't Pre-K basically Head Start, which has been proven to be a massive failure and boondoggle for the unions? They don't have Head Start in NYC?

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 07, 2014 09:27 AM (0FSuD)

69 Conservatives, while sometimes mistaking how popular their ideas are Name one. Just one. And I will be interested to see how you frame it. Hint: Being a Second Amendment advocate does not mean I favor shooting a random assortment of people during my morning commute.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 07, 2014 09:27 AM (659DL)

70 I shot a kid in Boston just to watch him die.

Posted by: Diane Sawyer at February 07, 2014 09:28 AM (6bMeY)

71

>>>This eye is sort of growing on me.

 

That's the culture in the petri dish, Bob

Posted by: Bigby's Frostbitten Hands at February 07, 2014 09:28 AM (3ZtZW)

72 I'm confused - when does she even get to "progressives"?
"Liberal" is so last century, no?

Posted by: Barack the Magnificent at February 07, 2014 09:28 AM (POpqt)

73 An eleven year old shot his nine year old brother.

Posted by: Lincolntf at February 07, 2014 09:28 AM (ZshNr)

74 Gitmo, drones, NSA, gun control , Libya, Afghanistan are not minor differences for the far left's base.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 07, 2014 09:29 AM (xhupI)

75 73 An eleven year old shot his nine year old brother. Posted by: Lincolntf at February 07, 2014 01:28 PM (ZshNr) Wouldn't share the crack pipe?

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 07, 2014 09:29 AM (0FSuD)

76 It's already illegal for 11 year olds to purchase firearms.

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 07, 2014 09:30 AM (6bMeY)

77 I fucked up, I used the tap water to wash my face.

Posted by: Bob Costas at February 07, 2014 09:30 AM (Aif/5)

78 In a classroom in Harlem, the liberal new mayor of New York, Bill de Blasio, appeared with union leaders in support of his plan to raise taxes on incomes higher than $500,000 to fund public pre-kindergarten.



In case anybody needs more evidence that "classrooms" are nothing other than indoctrination centers.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 07, 2014 09:30 AM (zjT4v)

79 I shot a kid in Boston just to watch him die.

Posted by: Diane Sawyer at February 07, 2014 01:28 PM (6bMeY)




I'm going to hell.


Hahahaha....

Posted by: EC at February 07, 2014 09:30 AM (GQ8sn)

80 Will be interesting to learn whether the gun was legally obtained by the owner.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at February 07, 2014 09:30 AM (r+7wo)

81 We believe in a liberal and open society...in which the government regulates everything we do! We believe in diversity and freedom of expression...unless it's anything we don't like or that gets in the way of our power to regulate all aspects of society!

See..moderate centrism!

Posted by: Democrat Party Politburo at February 07, 2014 09:30 AM (AiYlm)

82 So your a centrist if you raise taxes till the stones bleed, them back off a bit.

Posted by: Jean at February 07, 2014 09:31 AM (4JkHl)

83 Last time I was my face with yellow water.

Posted by: Bob Costas at February 07, 2014 09:31 AM (6bMeY)

84 Personally, I was just hoping for more Molly Ball jokes.

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 07, 2014 09:31 AM (Y9dJL)

85 No wonder people who think Andrew Cuomo is a centrist think John Boehner is a raving rightwing lunatic __________ Exactly. The Left and the media (I know, I know) label anyone with an (R) after their name as conservative, racist wingnuts or Tea Bagger. But Chicago Jesus isn't a liberal? I'd call them idiots, and some are, but they know exactly what they're doing.

Posted by: shredded chi - cereal killer at February 07, 2014 09:31 AM (jRs7b)

86 Gitmo, drones, NSA, gun control , Libya, Afghanistan are not minor differences for the far left's base. Yeah, they've been so demonstrative over those points lately. Give. It. A. Rest. Lefties do not have an ideology, they only have a lust for power.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 07, 2014 09:31 AM (659DL)

87 Will be interesting to learn whether the gun was legally obtained by the owner.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at February 07, 2014 01:30 PM (r+7wo)



*pictures 11 yo kid dressed up in long overcoat with fake moustache, standing on the shoulders of his buddy, filling out BATFE Form 4473*



Posted by: EC at February 07, 2014 09:31 AM (GQ8sn)

88 I'm going to be keeping my eye on the luge. Lots of potential homophobia there.

Posted by: Bob Costass at February 07, 2014 09:32 AM (Dwehj)

89 76 It's already illegal for 11 year olds to purchase firearms. Maybe in Massshole, not in NC. There is no minimum age to possess rifles and shotguns in North Carolina.

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 07, 2014 09:32 AM (0FSuD)

90 Don't get me started on this.

Me neither.

An eleven year old shot his nine year old brother.

Put my $5 on "mom's booty call left it where the kids could get it." 

Posted by: HR at February 07, 2014 09:32 AM (ZKzrr)

91

My friends, do not worry, in return you may hype me as the avatar of a new, more boldly conservative Republican Party.

 

 

Posted by: John McCain at February 07, 2014 09:32 AM (BrQrN)

92
Believing the re-education FEMA camps should be located in the Mid-West does not make you a "centrist lefitist".

Posted by: fixerupper at February 07, 2014 09:32 AM (nELVU)

93 How crazy do you have to be to oppose laws that keep 11 year-olds from shooting nine year-olds?

Posted by: Piers Morgan, 1st Earl of Cornhole at February 07, 2014 09:32 AM (8ZskC)

94 This is just an attempt to move the Overton Window to the left. To portray radical leftism as moderate and mainstream. Give them credit, they've been pretty successful so far. If it wasn't for the internet, their cultural domination would be complete.

Posted by: Iblis at February 07, 2014 09:32 AM (U0ndG)

95 Rolling Stone put Joker on the cover.  That's all you need to know about libs.

Posted by: mrp at February 07, 2014 09:32 AM (JBggj)

96 Moderate: Someone who wants to kick you the hell out for disagreeing with them. Liberal: Someone who wants you to stay so that they can take all your stuff.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 07, 2014 09:33 AM (659DL)

97 Just the fact that Ball believes Obama is less liberal than John F. Kennedy tells us all we need to know about her mentally challenged state of mind.

Posted by: NotCoach at February 07, 2014 09:33 AM (rsudF)

98 83 Last time I was my face with yellow water. Posted by: Bob Costas at February 07, 2014 01:31 PM (6bMeY) So I guess you are off our "Golden Shower" party list. What a prude.

Posted by: Barney's wife at February 07, 2014 09:33 AM (0FSuD)

99 There is no minimum age to possess rifles and shotguns in North Carolina.

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 07, 2014 01:32 PM (0FSuD)



Purchase, not possess.



Posted by: EC at February 07, 2014 09:33 AM (GQ8sn)

100 73 An eleven year old shot his nine year old brother. Posted by: Lincolntf at February 07, 2014 01:28 PM (ZshNr) The Liberal answer on Sex is that kids are gonna experiment and we shouldn't try to stop them, but on guns? We should just say "No."

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 07, 2014 09:33 AM (bb5+k)

101 Lol, EC. I'm thinking the gun was probably obtained illegally by an adult in the household. So of course, the solution will be to impose more onerous laws on the law-abiding.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at February 07, 2014 09:33 AM (r+7wo)

102 What is unsaid here, and dems won't acknowledge... Is that they have enough power so that their fracturing of how to do things is visible. Because they all feel like they are in the drivers seat. Now, they've been campaigning for radical change for so long they'll never know the difference and everything becomes a corporatist conspiracy. Fact is, this squabble wouldn't happen and the far left wouldn't be ascendant if they as a group weren't in power. They are getting to feel their time is now... And so they probably think opportunities are being thrown away by not going for the whole thing.

Posted by: Former Mass Resident at February 07, 2014 09:34 AM (0MSn4)

103 I've made the following analogy about politics for a while now: If I'm standing on a shoreline, and you're paddling away from me, who's moving? I haven't changed anything about what I believe America should be about and I'm extreme?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at February 07, 2014 09:34 AM (0HooB)

104 I call my left ball Molly.

Posted by: wooga at February 07, 2014 09:34 AM (IvB0Z)

105 How Democrats convince themselves they're moderate: 1. Take any issue the left concerns itself with. There is only one acceptable position. a. Abortion: fer it b. Taxes: raise it c. Guns: ban it d. Corporations: silence it 2. Refuse to see any difference between their opponents and Hitler. 3. Refuse to see any political difference between any politically useful people who hold the "proper" views. 4. Throw anyone who doesn't hold the proper views out of the movement. Voila, every "proper thinking" person is right smack dab in the middle of "appropriate thought", therefore, centrist.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at February 07, 2014 09:35 AM (44jNh)

106 IMO, I think that's why you see freaks like myerson (aka fullcommunism)... The idealists think its time to rise and take the system to proper glory

Posted by: Former Mass Resident at February 07, 2014 09:35 AM (0MSn4)

107 I saw Molly Ball open for Marcia Ball at Rockafellers in '96.

Posted by: Countrysquire at February 07, 2014 09:35 AM (LSJmV)

108 And liberal Grimes is going to beat "conservative" Mitch McConnell on November. But we are supposed to support him even though he fights conservatives all the time. I wish he acted like the democrats do with their base. Instead we get a closet rightwing democrat who votes as a corporatist.

Posted by: NWConservative at February 07, 2014 01:22 PM (f9k6U)


The GOP establishment takes the conservative vote for granted.  Since the dipshits in the GOP leadership can't even articulate a reason to simply freeze spending, much less reduce the size of the federal government, I see no reason to continue that abusive relationship.


I have come to terms with the fact that the Republic is dead and civil war is probably inevitable.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop posting from work at February 07, 2014 09:35 AM (T6MoX)

109

Goodnight all -it's 5.30am here in suburban paradise of Sydney OZ

 

I've watched our lovely Aussies march into the stadium and all the other stuff - now it's speeches and flag stuff so bedtime

 

I love all the chitchat here, great funny stuff and I appreciate the welcome for people like me outside your own world

 

Have a great yesterday everyone!

 

Posted by: aussie at February 07, 2014 09:35 AM (nP3cM)

110 The only person quoted in the initial report is a neighbor who repeats "There are just too many guns" a few times.

Posted by: Lincolntf at February 07, 2014 09:36 AM (ZshNr)

111 BREAKING: "No, Liberals Don't Control the Democratic Party" You are right. They should be called "The Destructors, or Destroyers." We've seen this before. The French revolution, the Russian revolution. But this time it will turn out different because TFG and his cult followers have learned from their ancestors mistakes. At least that is what they think, but some of us have a surprise for them. Heh, heh.

Posted by: ExSnipe at February 07, 2014 09:36 AM (LKJt3)

112 Purchase, not possess. Posted by: EC at February 07, 2014 01:33 PM (GQ8sn) Story never said any 11 year old "purchased" anything.

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 07, 2014 09:36 AM (0FSuD)

113 G'night aussie!

Posted by: EC at February 07, 2014 09:36 AM (GQ8sn)

114

I call my left ball Molly.

 

Ah. "Mollycoddling" suddenly makes sense.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at February 07, 2014 09:37 AM (A0sHn)

115 Have a great yesterday everyone! Posted by: aussie at February 07, 2014 01:35 PM (nP3cM) /wave stay safe

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: TGIF! at February 07, 2014 09:37 AM (IXrOn)

116 I've watched our lovely Aussies march into the stadium and all the other stuff - now it's speeches and flag stuff so bedtime

You didn't build that kangaroo.

Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at February 07, 2014 09:37 AM (Dwehj)

117 As I said yesterday, don't ever call anyone in the Democrat Party a "liberal."

They are no such fucking thing.

We have to stop granting them any measure of a humanitarian basis for their beliefs.

They are leftists, through and through. They subscribe whole-hog to the entire spectrum of totalitarian far-left politics; communism, socialism, marxism, etc. They only differ in how soon one should start killing off those who disagree.

I challenge you: Find me a leftist that will condemn the jailing of that film-maker. You can't and you won't. Not one of those fuckers stood up then or ever.

That's how I know they only differ on the timing of the killing of political opponents. Because if they will consent to the jailing of people for mere political reasons, they will never object to the eventual killing of people for political reasons.

Posted by: RoyalOil at February 07, 2014 09:37 AM (VjL9S)

118 110 The only person quoted in the initial report is a neighbor who repeats "There are just too many guns" a few times. Translation. I lost mine.

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 07, 2014 09:37 AM (0FSuD)

119 Screw you, Piers Morgan, you hetronormative pig!!!1!1!

Posted by: a chick with balls at February 07, 2014 09:37 AM (LLfr9)

120 Story never said any 11 year old "purchased" anything.

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 07, 2014 01:36 PM (0FSuD)


Boss Moss said 'purchase'.


Can an 11yo purchase a long gun in NC?

Posted by: EC at February 07, 2014 09:37 AM (GQ8sn)

121 And this posts illustrates nicely the difference between the two parties. When Republicans are in power the media acts as a check or balance-- with the Democrats the media acts as their cohorts and enablers.

Posted by: tasker at February 07, 2014 09:38 AM (RJMhd)

122 I've watched our lovely Aussies march into the stadium and all the other stuff - now it's speeches and flag stuff so bedtime and, the French for no reason...

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: TGIF! at February 07, 2014 09:38 AM (IXrOn)

123 Breaking: Passenger Attempts To Hijack Plane From Ukraine To Sochi, Plane Lands Safely In Turkey

Posted by: RWC at February 07, 2014 09:38 AM (fWAjv)

124 Boss Moss said 'purchase'. Can an 11yo purchase a long gun in NC? Posted by: EC at February 07, 2014 01:37 PM (GQ8sn) Nope, have to be 12. Seriously.

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 07, 2014 09:39 AM (0FSuD)

125 When Cuomo's your version of an 'arch-conservative,' it's pretty clear you've purged the hell out of the place.

Posted by: --- at February 07, 2014 09:39 AM (MMC8r)

126 Kids not in school. Shooter ran from scene with gun.

Posted by: Bob Costas at February 07, 2014 09:39 AM (6bMeY)

127 The ball is always moving towards our goaline.How often do we move it the other way?At best we wind up holding them to a field goal.

Posted by: steevy at February 07, 2014 09:39 AM (zqvg6)

128 Name one. Just one. And I will be interested to see how you frame it.

Ask yourself what areas of federal spending you (and presumably other conservatives) would like to see cut.

Reconcile that with this:

http://tinyurl.com/bwzckeg

Note there are only two categories where even a majority of Republicans favor cuts.


Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 07, 2014 09:39 AM (SY2Kh)

129 Is that really Putin, or a double? Looks taller than usual. heh. And, his chest is covered up.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: TGIF! at February 07, 2014 09:39 AM (IXrOn)

130 G'night, aussie. I gotta go start getting ready for my evening gig myself. Y'all have fun and try not to trash the place, 'k?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at February 07, 2014 09:39 AM (0HooB)

131

>>>What is unsaid here, and dems won't acknowledge... Is that they have enough power so that their fracturing of how to do things is visible. Because they all feel like they are in the drivers seat.

 

The average "Liberal" presents themselves as an oppressed minority. They'll squeal about how the word liberal is now an insult and how unfair it all is when they're just defending their views in the face of oppression. I tell 'em they're not the Rebellion but the Empire and they just can't get their little minds wrapped around that.

Posted by: Bigby's Frostbitten Hands at February 07, 2014 09:39 AM (3ZtZW)

132 I thought a couple of sexual deviants named Clinton controlled the Democrat Party.

Posted by: Fritz at February 07, 2014 09:40 AM (TKFmG)

133 I'm thinking the gun was probably obtained illegally by an adult in the household. So of course, the solution will be to impose more onerous laws on the law-abiding. Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick)


Democrats are big on sex education in the schools.  Seems to me that the urban areas would benefit by firearm education, too.

Posted by: LC LaWedgie at February 07, 2014 09:40 AM (KQp38)

134 If I'm standing on a shoreline, and you're paddling away from me, who's moving?

Well since interstellar redshift is being questioned now, I'm not sure.

Posted by: Jean at February 07, 2014 09:40 AM (4JkHl)

135 Breaking: Passenger Attempts To Hijack Plane From Ukraine To Sochi, Plane Lands Safely In Turkey Posted by: RWC at February 07, 2014 01:38 PM (fWAjv) Lands "Safely" in Turkey. Good luck with that.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: TGIF! at February 07, 2014 09:40 AM (IXrOn)

136 106 IMO, I think that's why you see freaks like myerson (aka fullcommunism)... The idealists think its time to rise and take the system to proper glory Posted by: Former Mass Resident at February 07, 2014 01:35 PM (0MSn4) I think it's time for them to try it as well. This sitting around playing pattycake with these bastards is getting wearisome.

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 07, 2014 09:40 AM (bb5+k)

137 O/T Looks like liberal metro men are getting less sex from their wives, From NY Slime. http://tinyurl.com/mzjnr8n

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 07, 2014 09:41 AM (0FSuD)

138 Damn. He was just drunk.

Posted by: RWC at February 07, 2014 09:41 AM (fWAjv)

139 It's almost like they'll say anything at any time for any reason as long as it advances their agenda.

Posted by: Mega at February 07, 2014 09:41 AM (hHFOx)

140 JFK was arguably the second most right wing president since Coolidge.

He ran on a platform of destroying our foes internationally and cutting taxes.

Imagine Bush 43 if his views were closer to what the left caricatured him as.

Posted by: 18-1 at February 07, 2014 09:41 AM (P3U0f)

141 Drew -

Immutable Rule of Modern Journalism #1: Republicans are ALWAYS-ALWAYS-ALWAYS "Right wing."  Always.

Democrats are NEVER-EVER-EVER "Left wing." Never ever.

Posted by: miked at February 07, 2014 09:41 AM (xaIQZ)

142 There are no liberals in the Democrat Party...only bullies, know it all do nothings, environmental mental cases, trial lawyers and their off spring judges, movie stars, young dumb and full of fill in the blank, and cretins. Like I said there are no liberals in the Democrat Party...only FASCISTS. Franco, Mussolini and Chiang-kai Shek would be proud.

Posted by: IrishEd at February 07, 2014 09:41 AM (bfm04)

143 Is that really Putin, or a double?

Looks taller than usual.

heh.

And, his chest is covered up. Posted by: artisanal

and no tigers or grizzly bears

Posted by: Jean at February 07, 2014 09:41 AM (4JkHl)

144 Gitmo, drones, NSA, gun control , Libya, Afghanistan are not minor differences for the far left's base.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 07, 2014 01:29 PM (xhupI)


I've missed all the demonstrations in defiance of war , Gitmo  and NSA snooping???

Posted by: willow at February 07, 2014 09:41 AM (nqBYe)

145 It's already illegal to not store firearms in a safe in Massoftwoshits.

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 07, 2014 09:41 AM (6bMeY)

146 Lands "Safely" in Turkey. Good luck with that. Posted by: artisanal 'ette: TGIF! at February 07, 2014 01:40 PM (IXrOn) Supposedly he was just drunk and never been to a Turkish prison.

Posted by: RWC at February 07, 2014 09:42 AM (fWAjv)

147 138 Damn. He was just drunk. Posted by: RWC at February 07, 2014 01:41 PM (fWAjv) Was this shooter Trayon's cousin, or a white Hispanic?

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 07, 2014 09:42 AM (0FSuD)

148 I don't know,that high jacking sounds like false flag op to give Putin an excuse to move on the Ukraine.

Posted by: steevy at February 07, 2014 09:42 AM (zqvg6)

149 also missed Feminists demonstrations having  others hands in Their Wombs?

Posted by: willow at February 07, 2014 09:43 AM (nqBYe)

150 Screw Ms Ball. Or ball Ms Ball. I think I would.

Posted by: the littl shyning man at February 07, 2014 09:43 AM (tmFlQ)

151 Conservatives, while sometimes mistaking how popular their ideas are Name one. Just one. And I will be interested to see how you frame it. Well, depending on how "conservative" you want to get, I've got a couple of examples in mind: 1. Lower or no taxes on corporations. The average person in America seems to have a "tax the hell out of them, they have lots of money" attitude. 2. I don't know how many conservatives hold this view, but some hold the view that the Fed gov't should return to its enumerated powers. I think most voters in America would stare at you as if you'd grown a second head if you told them that the Feds should only be minting money and providing for the common defense.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at February 07, 2014 09:43 AM (44jNh)

152 Hollowpoint, That kind of polling is designed to produce that result. On the other hand, if one asked: You have $1.00 and the following categories to spend it on, what share should each get? The responses would be quite different.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 07, 2014 09:43 AM (659DL)

153 That's right America give me both barrels, God love ya. Posted by: Joe Biden Smeg off. I have standards, you know.

Posted by: The Barrel at February 07, 2014 09:43 AM (naUcP)

154 133 ----Democrats are big on sex education in the schools. Seems to me that the urban areas would benefit by firearm education, too. Posted by: LC LaWedgie at February 07, 2014 01:40 PM (KQp3 ------------------------------ They're working on that.....very hard. The first step is to demonize guns (including poptarts shaped like guns) and to shame kids whose parents own them. Suspend a kid who yells BANG! Expel a kid who has a squirt gun!

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 07, 2014 09:44 AM (dfYL9)

155 with the Democrats the media acts as their cohorts and enablers. Posted by: tasker at February 07, 2014 01:38 PM (RJMhd) They also do this when power is hanging in the balance. They beat up George HW Bush on the Economy for a year before the election.

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 07, 2014 09:44 AM (bb5+k)

156 Posted by: willow at February 07, 2014 01:41 PM (nqBYe) What does that having to do with those issues being divisive within the Democrat party?

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 07, 2014 09:44 AM (pyh5u)

157 I fucked up, I used the tap water to wash my face. Posted by: Bob Costas -------------- Best chuckle today.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 07, 2014 09:45 AM (aDwsi)

158 Well, depending on how "conservative" you want to get, I've got a couple of examples in mind: 1. Lower or no taxes on corporations. The average person in America seems to have a "tax the hell out of them, they have lots of money" attitude. 2. I don't know how many conservatives hold this view, but some hold the view that the Fed gov't should return to its enumerated powers. I think most voters in America would stare at you as if you'd grown a second head if you told them that the Feds should only be minting money and providing for the common defense. Again--framing issues. 1. Instead of "cut corporate taxes" one were to say "private sector stimulus"--how would that play? 2. Is the federal government too big? We already have rafts of data that the majority of people think so.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 07, 2014 09:45 AM (659DL)

159

I've missed all the demonstrations in defiance of war , Gitmo and NSA snooping???

 

 

Obama inherited this mess.  You can't expect him to undo the Bush-era damage in only six years, plus sometimes you have to double-down on spying on citizens, Gitmo, increased drone strikes, killing citizens and porking up the debt in order to really solve them.

 

Or something like that.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at February 07, 2014 09:46 AM (A0sHn)

160 Just how deep is Ball's disconnect from reality on this key distinction? Really deep.

ISWYDT.  Ball's disconnect is deep? Yes. How deep?  Balls deep.

Posted by: flounder at February 07, 2014 09:46 AM (Kkt/i)

161 Oh, and never forget that the phrase "the media are biased toward conservatives" is met with a hearty round of "Here! Here!" on far-leftist websites.

Reason? All media are owned by corporations. Corporations all favor conservatives. Therefore: The media are biased toward conservatives.

Half of the reason they watch Madow is because the think she is sticking it to her conservative, corporate owners. And the reason that the conservative, corporate owners don't kick her off is because they know she is telling the truth and they are scared of what would happen if they fired her.

Posted by: RoyalOil at February 07, 2014 09:46 AM (VjL9S)

162 The Left doesn't just ruin its own nest, it uses the courts and the feds to ruin everyone else's, as well. Or they all move to corrupt the safe zones when theirs gets too fouled up.

Posted by: --- at February 07, 2014 09:46 AM (MMC8r)

163 *pictures 11 yo kid dressed up in long overcoat with fake moustache, standing on the shoulders of his buddy, filling out BATFE Form 4473*

Posted by: EC at February 07, 2014 01:31 PM (GQ8sn)

 

I laughed.  Reason #8,923,552 why I'm going straight to gell.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 07, 2014 09:47 AM (DrWcr)

164 I've missed all the demonstrations in defiance of war , Gitmo and NSA snooping???
___
Dude, weed is legal now. As long as they don't bomb Frito Lay its all good.

Posted by: Your Average Liberal at February 07, 2014 09:47 AM (P3U0f)

165 Hell, dammit, not gell.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 07, 2014 09:47 AM (DrWcr)

166 155 with the Democrats the media acts as their cohorts and enablers. Posted by: tasker at February 07, 2014 01:38 PM (RJMhd) They also do this when power is hanging in the balance. They beat up George HW Bush on the Economy for a year before the election. Posted by: D-Lamp at February 07, 2014 01:44 PM (bb5+k) ************ Well I'm trying to think of a time when they didn't slam on Republicans. Been doing it since I can remember. Maybe Vic knows. Like when Eisenhower was in power?

Posted by: tasker at February 07, 2014 09:47 AM (RJMhd)

167 The liberals have shown they really don't have  ideals except raw power.

as has been demonstrated the last decade.
war= a. ok if a progressive or liberal does it.

messing with another countries sovereignty  like Libya, Syria?  ok when a lefty does it.

privacy  and our bodies  are special  personal  not to be regarded as anything but OURs?

yeah so whatever.

Posted by: willow at February 07, 2014 09:47 AM (nqBYe)

168 Story appears to be changing. Now the shooter is 14 and it's an accident. Caution, fucking auto play http://tinyurl.com/kkrohr5

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 07, 2014 09:47 AM (0FSuD)

169 "John Boehner is a raving rightwing lunatic."

2 out of 3 anyways.

Posted by: jd at February 07, 2014 09:48 AM (MXyBs)

170 Omaha!

Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at February 07, 2014 09:48 AM (Dwehj)

171 162 The Left doesn't just ruin its own nest, it uses the courts and the feds to ruin everyone else's, as well.

Or they all move to corrupt the safe zones when theirs gets too fouled up.

Posted by: --- at February 07, 2014 01:46 PM (MMC8r)


Witness the Californication of Oregon, Nevada, Colorado, etc. It's like a blue plague, spread by two-legged rats.

Posted by: joncelli at February 07, 2014 09:48 AM (RD7QR)

172 Liberals run this line a lot...Obama isn't a liberal, look how corporate ObamaCare is. --- If you think that cover's bad, you should see the one they really wanted.

Posted by: Ian Faith, manager of Spinal Tap at February 07, 2014 09:48 AM (/Crba)

173 Like when Eisenhower was in power? Posted by: tasker at February 07, 2014 01:47 PM (RJMhd) That would have worked for us.

Posted by: Budapest Freedom fighters. at February 07, 2014 09:48 AM (0FSuD)

174 I think most voters in America would stare at you as if you'd grown a second head if you told them that the Feds should only be minting money and providing for the common defense. Posted by: bonhomme -------------------------- Well, I am inclined to assign the Fed Gov't the responsibility to deliver the mail. Obviously they have fucked that up, but for a century or so the postal system was a huge boon to the public.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 07, 2014 09:49 AM (aDwsi)

175 What role did Grape Drank play in this?

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 07, 2014 09:49 AM (6bMeY)

176 14 now?

Posted by: Lincolntf at February 07, 2014 09:49 AM (ZshNr)

177 Well I'm trying to think of a time when they didn't slam on Republicans. The last date of that was February 27, 1854.

Posted by: The Barrel at February 07, 2014 09:49 AM (naUcP)

178 You should have pressed that reporter on what he would consider left wing. Get him as either being delusional and clueless as to extreme views of the left or get his definition down and then list the senators that qualify.

Posted by: Buzzion at February 07, 2014 09:50 AM (Hzu2w)

179
What does that having to do with those issues being divisive within the Democrat party?

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 07, 2014 01:44 PM (pyh5u)


They're not That divisive!  Those demonstrations were only tools to strike at Bush. the fact that NONE of any significance now proves they were only Tools, not commitment .

as i said see any mass demonstrations?

Posted by: willow at February 07, 2014 09:50 AM (nqBYe)

180 ...can I get sent to teh Barrel for failing to unsock as teh Barrel? I need a call on that...

Posted by: Brother Cavil at February 07, 2014 09:50 AM (naUcP)

181 I think I'd better hire a private eye.

Posted by: Bob Costass at February 07, 2014 09:50 AM (Dwehj)

182 Yup, Herald headline still says 11, body of story says 14.

Posted by: Lincolntf at February 07, 2014 09:50 AM (ZshNr)

183 it's power, retain power.
anything goes Now.

Posted by: willow at February 07, 2014 09:50 AM (nqBYe)

184

>>>The first step is to demonize guns (including poptarts shaped like guns) and to shame kids whose parents own them. 

 

I'll believe gun-shaped things are a problem when they include gun-shaped things in buyback programs

Posted by: Bigby's Frostbitten Hands at February 07, 2014 09:51 AM (3ZtZW)

185 I'm thinking the gun was probably obtained illegally by an adult in the household. So of course, the solution will be to
impose more onerous laws on the law-abiding.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick)

I see that as only marginally relevant in this case.  Focusing on whether the gun was legally purchased or not leaves the argument about gun ownership and gun restrictions.

Even if it was obtained legitimately, it was the irresponsibility of the parents that led to this tragedy.

I view it no differently than the parents who lose a young child after leaving them unsupervised around a backyard swimming pool or any other potentially dangerous situation.

If a toddler drowns in a swimming pool, does that demonstrate a need to restrict swimming pools?  River banks?  Roads?  Gun violence and and firearms accidents describe a behavior, not an object.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 07, 2014 09:51 AM (SY2Kh)

186 Giant hammer and sickle? That's subtle, Russia.

Posted by: Mama AJ at February 07, 2014 09:51 AM (SUKHu)

187 Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 07, 2014 01:44 PM

And give 'em a medal if they have condom sex when they're STD/HIV/AIDS positive.

Posted by: LC LaWedgie at February 07, 2014 09:51 AM (KQp38)

188 In four years he could be drafted. He can already be tried as an adult.

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 07, 2014 09:51 AM (6bMeY)

189 Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 07, 2014 01:39 PM (SY2Kh)

Hollowpoint makes the case for abandoning the ballot box as a means of resolving Americans differences with DC and the foreigners among us who support it.

Posted by: Methos at February 07, 2014 09:51 AM (hO9ad)

190 I will recommend again the book, 'The Candy Bombers' to the horde. In spite of a saccharin title, it provides incredible insights into the Russian expansionism in the immediate WWII era.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 07, 2014 09:51 AM (aDwsi)

191 Just when you begin to think that it is absolutely impossible to be screwed any more...

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at February 07, 2014 09:52 AM (BZAd3)

192 180 ...can I get sent to teh Barrel for failing to unsock as teh Barrel? I need a call on that... _______ Heh. I was wondering the same thing. I'd say since you asked, no.

Posted by: shredded chi - cereal killer at February 07, 2014 09:52 AM (jRs7b)

193 McGruff the crime dog, Ace of Spaces lifestyle devotee: http://cbsloc.al/1bC7AHH

Posted by: Ernst Blofeld at February 07, 2014 09:54 AM (XZWie)

194 These people are nucking futz. I view them as "the Enemy, full on...."

Posted by: backhoe at February 07, 2014 09:54 AM (ULH4o)

195 'Candy Bombers' reviews: http://tinyurl.com/m9lxz6x

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 07, 2014 09:54 AM (aDwsi)

196 This is magnificent. I have a bird's eye view of the stadium.

Posted by: Bob Costass at February 07, 2014 09:54 AM (Dwehj)

197 I read this post and all I can to is think...


Thank goodness I can at least keep my insurance.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at February 07, 2014 09:54 AM (BZAd3)

198 180 ...can I get sent to teh Barrel for failing to unsock as teh Barrel? I need a call on that... Posted by: Brother Cavil at February 07, 2014 01:50 PM (naUcP) I vote a 30 minute timeout after singing this.... http://tinyurl.com/3ypswzw

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 07, 2014 09:55 AM (0FSuD)

199 'Pink' eye, indeed.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 07, 2014 09:55 AM (aDwsi)

200 1. Instead of "cut corporate taxes" one were to say "private sector stimulus"--how would that play? 2. Is the federal government too big? We already have rafts of data that the majority of people think so. Come on, that's not a serious response. Maybe if we had the kind of dominance in the media the left enjoy, that phrasing might work, maybe. But there is an ocean of difference between "Is the federal gov't too big" and "I want to cut the Federal Government back to where it was in 1801." Can we at least stipulate that for this discussion we're defining what conservatives want and what the average American wants honestly, without "messaging"?

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at February 07, 2014 09:55 AM (44jNh)

201 I have to admit I wasn't going to watch the opening ceremony and much if any of the olympics, but, I have been. It brings tears to my eyes seeing the potential of mankind - and frustration at who/what holds it back.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: TGIF! at February 07, 2014 09:56 AM (IXrOn)

202 G_ddamn Russians don't take a shit without a plan, son.

Posted by: Fritz at February 07, 2014 09:56 AM (TKFmG)

203 "Evans said police were called to the three-decker home at 11:37 a.m. Police apprehended the older brother after he ran from the scene. The boy still had the gun." Hmmmm.

Posted by: RWC at February 07, 2014 09:56 AM (fWAjv)

204 190---- I will recommend again the book, 'The Candy Bombers' to the horde. In spite of a saccharin title, it provides incredible insights into the Russian expansionism in the immediate WWII era. Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 07, 2014 01:51 PM (aDwsi) -------------------- My daughter gave Mr DeVille that book a couple of birthdays ago and he would echo your recommendation 100%.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 07, 2014 09:57 AM (dfYL9)

205 199 'Pink' eye, indeed. Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 07, 2014 01:55 PM (aDwsi) Eating at the Y with a Russian Hooker? Not recommended for Bob.

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 07, 2014 09:57 AM (0FSuD)

206 Putting the one eye back in the trouser--trouts.

Posted by: Bob Costas at February 07, 2014 09:58 AM (RJMhd)

207 NBC is trying to whitewash the Bob Costas story.

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 07, 2014 09:58 AM (6bMeY)

208 Pray tell, why does Google have a mullti colored fake NASCAR logo on their home page? Getting ready for Daytona?

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 07, 2014 09:58 AM (0FSuD)

209 Giant hammer and sickle? That's subtle, Russia. Posted by: Mama AJ at February 07, 2014 01:51 PM (SUKHu) heh. I know. They're not known for "subtle."

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: TGIF! at February 07, 2014 09:59 AM (IXrOn)

210 Giving you the eye.

Posted by: Bob Costas at February 07, 2014 09:59 AM (RJMhd)

211 208 Pray tell, why does Google have a mullti colored fake NASCAR logo on their home page?

Getting ready for Daytona?

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 07, 2014 01:58 PM (0FSuD)


Hover your pointer over it. It somehow has something to do with the Winter Games.

Posted by: joncelli at February 07, 2014 09:59 AM (RD7QR)

212 They eyes have it! This will be a great Olympics!

Posted by: Bob Costass at February 07, 2014 09:59 AM (Dwehj)

213 Bob Costas--now with one eye and even more dickish!!

Posted by: Bob Costas at February 07, 2014 09:59 AM (RJMhd)

214 208 Hover the cursor on it and it will tell you.

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 07, 2014 10:00 AM (6bMeY)

215

So what party do the liberals control, then?

Posted by: Heralder at February 07, 2014 10:00 AM (/Mxso)

216 14 years old is old enough to know not to aim a gun at someone. I was struck by how the media started the story with "Accidental" before they even determined the ages. If the kid has a violent disciplinary history, I would suspect the worst. Friends and family, even the ones who were miles away at the time, probably can guess how it went down.

Posted by: Lincolntf at February 07, 2014 10:00 AM (ZshNr)

217 Pray tell, why does Google have a mullti colored fake NASCAR logo on their home page?

According to Buzzfeed, that's a championing of gay rights.

Posted by: HR at February 07, 2014 10:00 AM (ZKzrr)

218 Hollowpoint,

That kind of polling is designed to produce that result.

On the other hand, if one asked: You have $1.00 and the following categories to spend it on, what share should each get? The responses would be quite different.

OK, and?

The problem with the federal government isn't that it spends too much on unemployment assistance at the expense of federal education spending.  The problem is that it spends too much period.

Likewise, we act baffled over why certain Republican politicians would back some form of amnesty, but ignore the fact that the general public favors it.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 07, 2014 10:00 AM (SY2Kh)

219 Giving you the eye.

Posted by: Bob Costas

It turns out, not such a good idea.

Posted by: Anthony Weiner [/i] [/b] at February 07, 2014 10:01 AM (cxs6V)

220 Looking at how the Sochi games have come together, one would think that Russia could benefit from a totally awesome infallible leader like... oh... say, Obama, for example.



We should ask.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at February 07, 2014 10:01 AM (BZAd3)

221 Giant hammer and sickle? That's subtle, Russia. Russians are ... weird/complicated. Their national identity is very strongly tied to their powerful past. Too many Russians today are willing to overlook all of Stalin's evil acts and think of him fondly as the man who made the world tremble.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at February 07, 2014 10:02 AM (44jNh)

222 Pray tell, why does Google have a mullti colored fake NASCAR logo on their home page?

Getting ready for Daytona?

Not hardly. I found this:

Google's Pro-Gay doodle sends message of support:
(CNN) -- Google has made a bold statement against discrimination on its home page. The search giant's rainbow Olympic-themed logo, posted ...


Posted by: Retread at February 07, 2014 10:02 AM (G+w7R)

223 216 14 years old is old enough to know not to aim a gun at someone. I was struck by how the media started the story with "Accidental" before they even determined the ages. If the kid has a violent disciplinary history, I would suspect the worst. Friends and family, even the ones who were miles away at the time, probably can guess how it went down. --- I bet he comes up with 5 different stories before settling on "The NRA made me do it!", which the media will run with. Kind of similar to Lionel Tate beating a 4 year old girl to death and coming up with a ton of bullshit excuses before the "A wrestling move did that!" defense.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 07, 2014 10:02 AM (/Crba)

224 Giant hammer and sickle?

Last-minute Pete Seeger tribute?

Posted by: HR at February 07, 2014 10:02 AM (ZKzrr)

225 "Giant hammer and sickle? " -------------------- Can you imagine an Olympics held in modern Germany that displayed the swastika as part of a "romp through German history?" Aaaaacccckk.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 07, 2014 10:02 AM (dfYL9)

226 Leave our children alone Bob.

Posted by: Vladimir Putin at February 07, 2014 10:03 AM (6bMeY)

227 @211 I figured as much. Click on it and it opens up to the game shit.

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 07, 2014 10:03 AM (0FSuD)

228 217?

According to Buzzfeed, that's a championing of gay rights.

Oh, for Gawd sake- this is becoming ridiculous. 1.51% of the pop ( next to last census ) have such a loud voice? Absurd....

Posted by: backhoe at February 07, 2014 10:03 AM (ULH4o)

229 Bob Costas--proof that brown nosing will give you the pink eye.

Posted by: NBC Executive Secretary at February 07, 2014 10:03 AM (RJMhd)

230 Overton window.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 07, 2014 10:03 AM (ZPrif)

231 >>> Andrew Cuomo...poster boy for the centrist wing of the Democratic party. Well, so long as you consider gun grabbing and unfettered access to abortion "centrist".>>> And desires to purge people of a certain religion from his domain. I think Milosevic tried that.

Posted by: gm at February 07, 2014 10:04 AM (/kBoL)

232 178 You should have pressed that reporter on what he would consider left wing. Get him as either being delusional and clueless as to extreme views of the left or get his definition down and then list the senators that qualify.
==========
That's just it: There is nothing--NOTHING--on the far-left that the Democrats consider too far.

I once had a leftist say to me, "What's wrong with communism if the people vote for it?" This was in 2001, mind you. All the bodies piled upon bodies? What's wrong indeed.

You could go list the laws of North Korea and you won't find one damned Democrat in the whole of the party that would have anything other than a minor timing objection to such law.

Here this is their Article 8, redrafted as a DNC Party Platform resolution:

"The social system of the {United States of America should} be a people-centered system under which the working people are the masters of everything and everything in society serves the working people. The {United States of America should} defend and protect the interests of the workers, peasants, working intellectuals and all other working people {and free them} from exploitation and oppression {to} become masters of the State and society."

Tell me a single Democrat that would vote against that resolution?

Posted by: RoyalOil at February 07, 2014 10:04 AM (VjL9S)

233 Google has made a bold statement against discrimination on its home page. The search giant's rainbow Olympic-themed logo, posted...

Even eye think that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

Posted by: Bob Costass at February 07, 2014 10:04 AM (Dwehj)

234 Oh and the 14 year old's mother was "near bye" Giving a BJ downstairs would be my bet.

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 07, 2014 10:04 AM (0FSuD)

235 Is there an issue Google pushes more than gay rights?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 07, 2014 10:04 AM (ZPrif)

236 Hover your pointer over it. It somehow has something to do with the Winter Games. Posted by: joncelli at February 07, 2014 01:59 PM (RD7QR) Rainbow Flag colors.

Posted by: RWC at February 07, 2014 10:04 AM (fWAjv)

237 Costas got the pink eye after Vlad gave him a golden shower.

Posted by: steevy at February 07, 2014 10:04 AM (zqvg6)

238 225 "Giant hammer and sickle? " -------------------- Can you imagine an Olympics held in modern Germany that displayed the swastika as part of a "romp through German history?" Aaaaacccckk. --- Springtime for Hitler and Germany... Winter for Poland and France... Springtime for Hitler and Germany... So Germans, go into your dance!

Posted by: Lorenzo St. Dubois at February 07, 2014 10:04 AM (/Crba)

239 The problem with the federal government isn't that it spends too much on unemployment assistance at the expense of federal education spending. The problem is that it spends too much period.

Here's the problem with the Federal government from a guy who works for it....

The Federal government is incompetent.

Fin.

There is no effin' way for the Feds to effectively spend money on ANY program because there is no way to have perfect information about cause, effect and regional variations in order to ensure the taxpayer gets an actual bang for the buck.

The only exception here is defense because by nature it HAS to be centralized in order to be effective.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/s][/u][/b] at February 07, 2014 10:05 AM (JpC1K)

240 (CNN) -- Google has made a bold statement against discrimination on its home page. The search giant's rainbow Olympic-themed logo, posted...


Posted by: Retread at February 07, 2014 02:02 PM (G+w7R)

Making something rainbow colored.  The bravery, the boldness!  Such an underdog story!

 

Posted by: Heralder at February 07, 2014 10:05 AM (/Mxso)

241 Hollowpoint makes the case for abandoning the ballot box as a means of resolving Americans differences with DC and the foreigners among us who support it.

I don't know how you reach that conclusion based on my comment.  I assume Rube Goldberg was involved somehow.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 07, 2014 10:05 AM (SY2Kh)

242 It's my belief that my big balls should be held every nite!

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at February 07, 2014 10:05 AM (GjPnA)

243 217 Pray tell, why does Google have a mullti colored fake NASCAR logo on their home page? According to Buzzfeed, that's a championing of gay rights - HR _________ That's the first thing I thought when I saw it this morning. Google + rainbow = promoting something gay (NTTAWWD)

Posted by: shredded chi - cereal killer at February 07, 2014 10:05 AM (jRs7b)

244

Appropriate imaging, don't you think?

 

Russia brings the giant hammer and sickle

 

America brings huge bottle of Loafer Lightener.

Posted by: Bigby's Frostbitten Hands at February 07, 2014 10:05 AM (3ZtZW)

245 208Pray tell, why does Google have a mullti colored fake NASCAR logo on their home page?

Getting ready for Daytona?

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 07, 2014 01:58 PM (0FSuD)

 

Gaytona

Posted by: Animal-S at February 07, 2014 10:05 AM (qPxLX)

246 224 Giant hammer and sickle? Last-minute Pete Seeger tribute? Posted by: HR at February 07, 2014 02:02 PM (ZKzrr) NO, just a reminder that Russia has FREE health care!

Posted by: MSNBC at February 07, 2014 10:06 AM (0FSuD)

247 It's funny, liberals control the Republican Party too.

Posted by: Golem_Master at February 07, 2014 10:06 AM (3c8u2)

248 "On the eve of the XXII Winter Olympics opening ceremony, Google is taking a stand for athletes, gay, straight, or otherwise, with a new doodle"


Google takes a brave stand
I laughed

Posted by: J. U. Pavik at February 07, 2014 10:06 AM (T0S3Y)

249 The title is actually true. "Liberals" don't control the Democrat party. We've gotten to the point that the Democrats are so illiberal, that we are essentially waging war on the English language by continuing to use "liberal" as a shorthand to describe their militant, leftist statism.

Posted by: gm at February 07, 2014 10:06 AM (/kBoL)

250 Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 07, 2014 01:51 PM (SY2Kh) Good point. I was going to say something along the lines that this incident was due to irresponsible parenting, and thus the obvious solution is for all kids to be removed from their homes and raised by the benevolent, uber-responsible govt. But I was too lazy to type that on my iPad.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at February 07, 2014 10:06 AM (r+7wo)

251 Did she just call us sweet bitches?

Posted by: vaitguy at February 07, 2014 10:07 AM (72hpH)

252 Bob Costas--giving America the stink eye!

Posted by: NBC at February 07, 2014 10:07 AM (RJMhd)

253 (Obama is) less liberal than...John F. Kennedy. These people are absolutely insane.

Posted by: Weirddave at February 07, 2014 10:07 AM (N/cFh)

254 They can't give us a Christmas logo though.

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 07, 2014 10:07 AM (6bMeY)

255 Come on, that's not a serious response. That was a serious repsonse. Language matters. Anytime we engage in the media/political arena, the lefties always seize the initiative of defining the terms and then we spend 90% of our effort playing defense. The examples are legion, but my favorite was the characterization of Bush's SS privatization as a "scheme." Remember that? Reagan largely refused to play defense and simply plowed on...and it drove them nuts. Think this way: On the corporate tax front--just ask this quesiton, should America have higher or lower taxes than Canada? No mention of what kind of tax. Our current leadership is jsut terrible at this kind of thing.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 07, 2014 10:07 AM (659DL)

256 This just in:  Bob Costas will be hosting a new Olympic puff piece segment called "Pink Eye For The Queer Guy."

Posted by: NBC Sports at February 07, 2014 10:07 AM (TKFmG)

257 ah hell, what was I third? forth? fifth?

Posted by: J. U. Pavik at February 07, 2014 10:07 AM (T0S3Y)

258 Costas probably was looking through that waist-high peephole in the bathroom when he got poked in the eye.

Posted by: Bigby's Frostbitten Hands at February 07, 2014 10:08 AM (3ZtZW)

259 240 (CNN) -- Google has made a bold statement against discrimination on its home page. The search giant's rainbow Olympic-themed logo, posted... Posted by: Retread at February 07, 2014 02:02 PM (G+w7R) Making something rainbow colored. The bravery, the boldness! Such an underdog story! Posted by: Heralder at February 07, 2014 02:05 PM (/Mxso) And the graphics are cutting edge. Check it out. The designer totally didn't phone it in for that one. As long as they are supporting a fashionable cause, I guess. (I was wondering why the crappy logo earlier today.)

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at February 07, 2014 10:08 AM (r+7wo)

260 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 07, 2014 10:08 AM (PYAXX)

261 Obama is a conservative because he spends all his time blaming his failures on GOP Leadership.

/Trolling

Posted by: Shoot Me at February 07, 2014 10:08 AM (qiXMt)

262

180 ...can I get sent to teh Barrel for failing to unsock as teh Barrel? I need a call on that...
_______

Heh. I was wondering the same thing.
I'd say since you asked, no.

 

Fucking RINO

Posted by: The Barrel at February 07, 2014 10:08 AM (BrQrN)

263 They can't give us a Christmas logo though.

It would be an acknowledgement of the homophobic white man's oppression.

Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at February 07, 2014 10:09 AM (Dwehj)

264 "the colors were designed to symbolize: red (life), orange (healing), yellow (sunlight), green (nature), blue (harmony), and purple/violet (spirit). Did not know that. Do not care about that.

Posted by: RWC at February 07, 2014 10:09 AM (fWAjv)

265 One of the Olympic Rings failed to light up in Sochi. Fail.

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 07, 2014 10:09 AM (6bMeY)

266 Google takes a brave stand
I laughed

And if any one objects Google will send the NSA after them.

Posted by: Retread at February 07, 2014 10:10 AM (G+w7R)

267 249 --- THIS. I inwardly cringe when leftists are called "liberal," as they are today the most illiberal people I know.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 07, 2014 10:10 AM (dfYL9)

268 265 Some electrician will disappear.

Posted by: steevy at February 07, 2014 10:10 AM (zqvg6)

269 Oh, for Gawd sake- this is becoming ridiculous. 1.51% of the pop ( next to last census ) have such a loud voice? Absurd.... ----- I know right?

Posted by: 95% of television shows at February 07, 2014 10:10 AM (Aif/5)

270 The other day someone said "If Cuomo wants me to vote for him for president he better lower the taxes and fast".  The sad part was that the person is a right leaning independent.

Cuomo wants to be president.  Even now wondering if he'll pop up and challenge hillary

Posted by: think at February 07, 2014 10:10 AM (OroYa)

271 "the colors were designed to symbolize: red (life), orange (healing), yellow (sunlight), green (nature), blue (harmony), and purple/violet (spirit). And plaid. Ace on a bender.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 07, 2014 10:11 AM (659DL)

272 267 I always use the term left,never liberal.

Posted by: steevy at February 07, 2014 10:11 AM (zqvg6)

273 Obama wishes he could have a giant hammer and sickle.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 07, 2014 10:11 AM (oFCZn)

274 Google has made a bold statement against discrimination on its home page. The search giant's rainbow Olympic-themed logo, posted...


In many ways, this is the story of Obama

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/s][/u][/b] at February 07, 2014 10:11 AM (JpC1K)

275 265 One of the Olympic Rings failed to light up in Sochi. Fail. Ghey technicians did that as a symbol of their love for all.

Posted by: MSNBC at February 07, 2014 10:11 AM (0FSuD)

276 265 One of the Olympic Rings failed to light up in Sochi. Fail. Posted by: Boss Moss at February 07, 2014 02:09 PM (6bMeY) I'd hate to be the Austrian that fell on the ice.

Posted by: RWC at February 07, 2014 10:11 AM (fWAjv)

277 last week you posted the " pick the Nazi parlor game." I guarantee the DeBlasio would have been a member. Someone who calculates changing his German name to a more ethnic one and marries a black "lesbian" so he can put her on a campaign poster would be a Nazi in Germany, a bolshevik in 1919 Russia, a fascist in 1923 Italy etc

Posted by: avi at February 07, 2014 10:11 AM (p/izY)

278 I inwardly cringe when leftists are called "liberal," as they are today the most illiberal people I know. Prog/Commies. Fascists. Neo-Feudalists. Rat Bastards. Thieves. All of these (and more besides) describe Democrats. "Liberal" (in the classic sense) does not.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 07, 2014 10:11 AM (PYAXX)

279 Somebody at the AP can't spell choking. chocking.

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 07, 2014 10:11 AM (6bMeY)

280 And plaid. Ace on a bender.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 07, 2014 02:11 PM (659DL)


Plaid? Wouldn't that be CAC on a bender?

Posted by: Retread at February 07, 2014 10:11 AM (G+w7R)

281 41 I'm sure Hitler was considered a centrist in the Germany. After all, he was right in the center of the mainstream.   You may not realize how true that is.  You know the drivel about the Germans suffering after WWI destroyed their economy, and Hitler taking advantage of their vulnerability to pull them into Fascisim?  Bullshit.
Read "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" and you will probably see as I did that the Germans historically loved them some militaristic strongmen, and for most of them Hitler seemed like a dream come true.

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at February 07, 2014 10:12 AM (b9fEe)

282 One of the Olympic Rings failed to light up in Sochi.

We'll be keeping a sharp eye on that as well, as more develops.

Posted by: Bob Costass at February 07, 2014 10:12 AM (Dwehj)

283 Fucking RBINO

Posted by: The Barrel at February 07, 2014 02:08 PM (BrQrN)

FIFY

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/s][/u][/b] at February 07, 2014 10:12 AM (JpC1K)

284 And the graphics are cutting edge. Check it out. The designer totally didn't phone it in for that one. As long as they are supporting a fashionable cause, I guess.

(I was wondering why the crappy logo earlier today.)

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at February 07, 2014 02:08 PM (r+7wo)

That typeface makes me want to punch a kitten.

Posted by: Heralder at February 07, 2014 10:12 AM (/Mxso)

285 Jonah Goldberg ‏@JonahNRO Of course, outrage over Russians using a symbol of genocidal murder and the enslavement of whole nations will pretty much stay on twitter.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 07, 2014 10:12 AM (ZPrif)

286 This whole post is so much I can't even.

Posted by: Book at February 07, 2014 10:12 AM (qWES6)

287 I always thought the silly green chairman mao hat wearing mofos walking around sucking on their stalin flavored penis pops ran the democratic party.



 I haven't seen anything yet that proves me wrong.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at February 07, 2014 10:12 AM (FMbng)

288 There's only a thin line between Stink Eye and Pink Eye

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 07, 2014 10:13 AM (aDwsi)

289 The only exception here is defense because by nature it HAS to be centralized in order to be effective.

Defense isn't the only exception, but my point remains.

People might say they believe the federal government is too big and spends too much on too many things, but when it comes to cutting or eliminating specific programs, they object to all but the trivial.

As a result we get objectionably bloated farm bills and the like.  They're not selling out the people they represent, they're mostly adhering to public opinion.

That public opinion is often misguided, but we're a nation dominated by LIVs.

Blaming DC is easy.  Blaming the reflection in our national mirrors isn't.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 07, 2014 10:13 AM (SY2Kh)

290 268 265 Some electrician will disappear. Posted by: steevy at February 07, 2014 02:10 PM (zqvg6) hehe

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: TGIF! at February 07, 2014 10:13 AM (IXrOn)

291 And the graphics are cutting edge. Check it out.

They borrow heavily from the IOC's official site. 
http://www.sochi2014.com/en

Posted by: HR at February 07, 2014 10:14 AM (ZKzrr)

292 Man Costas is annoying--I don't even know why really. Gawd!

Posted by: NBC at February 07, 2014 10:14 AM (RJMhd)

293 Of course, outrage over Russians using a symbol of genocidal murder and the enslavement of whole nations will pretty much stay on twitter. I can guarantee that it did not go unnoticed in places like Warsaw and Prague.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 07, 2014 10:14 AM (659DL)

294 Language matters. Anytime we engage in the media/political arena, the lefties always seize the initiative of defining the terms and then we spend 90% of our effort playing defense. The examples are legion, but my favorite was the characterization of Bush's SS privatization as a "scheme." Remember that? Because they control the medium. You can send Republicans out with instructions to use their own terms, but unless you want them simply to shout over their interviewer the leftie talking points will be posed as questions.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at February 07, 2014 10:14 AM (44jNh)

295 Cuomo wants to be president. Even now wondering if he'll pop up and challenge hillary

Posted by: think at February 07, 2014 02:10 PM (OroYa)

 

 

 

At  least  there'd  be  plenty  of  booze  at  the  state  dinners  with  his  drunk   girlfriend  in  charge.  Kawanza  cake  for  everyone!

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at February 07, 2014 10:15 AM (rXcBX)

296 BTW, any of you catch the Breaking News that Syria missed the "deadline" to turn over their chemical weapons to Russia?

No?

Not on TV anywhere?

How's that? That was like a huge foreign policy win for Obaaama, right?

Oh, I see. Those of us who said "Obaaama is a fucking punk who just got rolled by Putin; Syria won't turn over a damned thing" were right. Agains.

Posted by: RoyalOil at February 07, 2014 10:15 AM (VjL9S)

297 "the colors were designed to symbolize: red (life), orange (healing), yellow (sunlight), green (nature), blue (harmony), and purple/violet (spirit).

The original flag had pink (sexuality--rofl!) and turquoise (art).

Posted by: HR at February 07, 2014 10:16 AM (ZKzrr)

298 Blaming DC is easy. Blaming the reflection in our national mirrors isn't. If you want me to defend Congress, I don't think I'll do that. If you want me to defend my personal level of knowledge and how I vote, yeah, I can do that.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 07, 2014 10:17 AM (659DL)

299 And the graphics are cutting edge. Check it out. They borrow heavily from the IOC's official site. http://www.sochi2014.com/en Posted by: HR at February 07, 2014 02:14 PM (ZKzrr) Ah. I see that there's an epidemic of cutting edge graphic designers out there.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at February 07, 2014 10:17 AM (r+7wo)

300 Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 07, 2014 02:13 PM (SY2Kh) I would argue that the Founders saw exactly this tendency- which is why they had legislatures appoint Senators (or at least- decide how they were appointed) in the first place. OF COURSE people are going to ask for things that benefit them directly. In most cases, it's not even malice towards others; it's just simple self-centeredness. Farmers like farm subsidies (as a rule). Big Business likes cheap labor. And so forth. So the States needed their own "voice" in the Federal Government to moderate some of that pure populism.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 07, 2014 10:17 AM (PYAXX)

301

"the colors were designed to symbolize: red (life), orange (healing), yellow (sunlight), green (nature), blue (harmony), and purple/violet (spirit).

 

 

'ta fuck?  Ma Nature was doing symbolism when she broke light apart in that order? 

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at February 07, 2014 10:17 AM (A0sHn)

302 The yellow water of Sochi symbolizes sunlight.

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 07, 2014 10:17 AM (6bMeY)

303 Yep. Politics is downstream of culture. The Left's control of the Media is huge.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 07, 2014 10:18 AM (ZPrif)

304 290 268 265 Some electrician will disappear. ---------------------------- Go on.. * reloading MP-443 *

Posted by: Vladmir Putin at February 07, 2014 10:18 AM (aDwsi)

305 To be fair, had Chicago won the Olympics, there would have been a giant hammer and sickle in the opening ceremonies as well.

Posted by: RoyalOil at February 07, 2014 10:19 AM (VjL9S)

306 This is true and just another lie spread by Bush.

Posted by: Dorcus Blimline at February 07, 2014 10:19 AM (jiuTq)

307 So Putin does own a shirt.

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 07, 2014 10:19 AM (6bMeY)

308 'ta fuck? Ma Nature was doing symbolism when she broke light apart in that order? Ha.

Posted by: --- at February 07, 2014 10:19 AM (MMC8r)

309 Go on..

* reloading MP-443 *

Posted by: Vladmir Putin at February 07, 2014 02:18 PM (aDwsi)


A Grach?

Please....


http://tinyurl.com/nxmdje5

Posted by: EC at February 07, 2014 10:20 AM (GQ8sn)

310 293 Of course, outrage over Russians using a symbol of genocidal murder and the enslavement of whole nations will pretty much stay on twitter. I can guarantee that it did not go unnoticed in places like Warsaw and Prague. Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 07, 2014 02:14 PM (659DL) ------------------------ My very first thought was that I'd better warn my Cuban mother. She's almost certain to watch the ceremony on TV tonight....and she owns a rolling pin, frying pan, and a gun.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 07, 2014 10:20 AM (dfYL9)

311 I actually kind of agree that liberals don't control the Democratic Party. Obama's driving everything, with the likes of Pelosi and Reid only too eager to do his bidding, and Hillary on the same page. Everybody else has been beaten into submission (i'm guessing that wasn't too hard to do). So it's SOCIALISTS that control the Democratic Party. Liberals are somewhat different from socialists, I think. They have this sort of chaotic and confused world view that is usually at odds with ever the most basic laws of economics, and which closely resembles a skittles commercial. Actual socialists are well-organized thugs that know exactly what they're doing, and don't care what they have to do to get their way.

Posted by: Optimizer at February 07, 2014 10:20 AM (saDM3)

312 There's a Leather Pride flag.
IT Dept is not protecting me from it like they protect me from The Federalist.

Posted by: HR at February 07, 2014 10:20 AM (ZKzrr)

313
   Cuomo was perfectly qualified for governor, as he fit the Dem criteria of marital infidelity and general sleaziness.

Posted by: irongrampa at February 07, 2014 10:21 AM (SAMxH)

314 http://tinyurl.com/nxmdje5 What's that?

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at February 07, 2014 10:21 AM (44jNh)

315 303? Flatbush Joe?

All I can do is scrunch down, look after myself and the few people kind to me after my young wife died, and try to weather the storm. Pop "culture" is appalling.

Posted by: backhoe at February 07, 2014 10:21 AM (ULH4o)

316 You, this talk of the stupid "You should bow before me because I'm Gay" rainbow reminds me. Not long ago I was looking for the meanings behind the colors of the American flag. I grew up being taught that the Red was for... something (if I remembered, I wouldn't have been looking it up, would I?). So in my research, I found out I'd been taught in error. The stars and stripes mean things (one star per state, one stripe for each of the original 13), but the colors- Red, White, and Blue- were apparently picked because people simply thought they looked good together.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 07, 2014 10:22 AM (PYAXX)

317 Speaking of Communism, the new Tonight Show band leader -- Jimmy Fallon's musical sidekick Questlove and his band The Roots -- is a proud, open Communist.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 07, 2014 10:22 AM (ZPrif)

318 Blaming DC is easy. Blaming the reflection in our national mirrors isn't.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 07, 2014 02:13 PM (SY2Kh)

THIS

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/s][/u][/b] at February 07, 2014 10:22 AM (JpC1K)

319 Happy Friday! o/t but had to share this amazing art. Jose Garcia Acosta For Whom Shall the Bells Toll? http://tinyurl.com/luzseys

Posted by: spypeach at February 07, 2014 10:22 AM (10H0T)

320 What's that?

Posted by: bonhomme at February 07, 2014 02:21 PM (44jNh)



That's the PP2000.



PP stands for pewpew!

Posted by: EC at February 07, 2014 10:22 AM (GQ8sn)

321 >>>Those of us who said "Obaaama is a fucking punk who just got rolled by Putin; Syria won't turn over a damned thing" were right.<<<

No, no, no.  Barry was playing 9th dimensional chess with the UN to highlight humanity's hypocrisy, and in doing so ascended one level closer to G_dhood.

Posted by: Fritz at February 07, 2014 10:23 AM (TKFmG)

322 Please.... http://tinyurl.com/nxmdje5 Posted by: EC at February 07, 2014 02:20 PM (GQ8sn) What he heck is that?

Posted by: RWC at February 07, 2014 10:23 AM (fWAjv)

323 http://tinyurl.com/nxmdje5 Huh. Putin shoots loopy. Who knew?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 07, 2014 10:23 AM (PYAXX)

324 I would argue that the very fact that statements by these same "mainstream: liberals are constantly scrubbed from the public record show a complete accord with the "Progressive", "Communist", or "Socialist" tradition. I would also like to point out that the President ran and won as a State representative while a member of the self-described Socialist "New Party" in Illinois. In fact there are so many actual bona fide big "C" Communist affiliations with the current President that it boggles the mind. This is a President who campaigned with speeches declaring that capitalism has never worked. The Russian middle and upper class parrotted the same Party line too until they were shot while claiming to be down with the Revolution; dying with a surprised look on their faces. The so called Press in the United States is a cancer.

Posted by: Daybrother at February 07, 2014 10:23 AM (bFiwl)

325

He approved healthcare reform with no public option, a Wall Street-reform bill the left saw as inadequate, and a succession of budget deals progressives have decried.

 

Today's Demonrat party:  where being an ineffective,   lazy    communist     is    considered centrist.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/i][/b][/u] at February 07, 2014 10:23 AM (4df7R)

326

>>>There's a Leather Pride flag.

 

And a Bear Pride one. I'm sure we'll see them all during these here Olympics

Posted by: Bigby's Frostbitten Hands at February 07, 2014 10:24 AM (3ZtZW)

327 Huh. Putin shoots loopy. Who knew?

Yeah, he's closing his wrong eye.


Posted by: EC at February 07, 2014 10:25 AM (GQ8sn)

328 And a Bear Pride one. I'm sure we'll see them all during these here Olympics Let me guess... it has Cheer Bear on it.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 07, 2014 10:25 AM (PYAXX)

329 Oh, I see. Those of us who said "Obaaama is a fucking punk who just got rolled by Putin; Syria won't turn over a damned thing" were right. Agains. Posted by: RoyalOil ------------------------ I'm going to consult with our allies on that issue. I'm just waiting for them to get back to me. Besides, right now I'm busy doing maintenance on the Isabel, she must be ready for the trip to St. Barth's next month. Oh, and Teresa hasn't been feeling well lately, so that's interrupted the help some. I've had to draw my own bath. All very frustrating. Now, let's see..., what were talking about?

Posted by: John Kerry at February 07, 2014 10:26 AM (aDwsi)

330 311 I actually kind of agree that liberals don't control the Democratic Party. Obama's driving everything, with the likes of Pelosi and Reid only too eager to do his bidding, and Hillary on the same page. Everybody else has been beaten into submission (i'm guessing that wasn't too hard to do). So it's SOCIALISTS that control the Democratic Party. Liberals are somewhat different from socialists, I think. They have this sort of chaotic and confused world view that is usually at odds with ever the most basic laws of economics, and which closely resembles a skittles commercial. Actual socialists are well-organized thugs that know exactly what they're doing, and don't care what they have to do to get their way. Posted by: Optimizer at February 07, 2014 02:20 PM (saDM3) ********** Hard to argue with that. I always wonder who is at the controls though. Soros, and other donors?

Posted by: tasker at February 07, 2014 10:26 AM (RJMhd)

331

OT, but, from the sidebar:

 

The NRA's American Rifleman is now the 25th most circulated magazine in the country It displaced "Maxim" from the list. Related: There's apparently a magazine called "Maxim".         ... ace has never heard of "Maxim?"   Was he just lying about the whole tan line thing?  

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/i][/b][/u] at February 07, 2014 10:26 AM (4df7R)

332 319 --- Beautiful indeed. Thanks for that.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 07, 2014 10:26 AM (dfYL9)

333 327 Huh. Putin shoots loopy. Who knew? Yeah, he's closing his wrong eye. Posted by: EC at February 07, 2014 02:25 PM (GQ8sn) ********** He might have lazy eye.

Posted by: tasker at February 07, 2014 10:26 AM (RJMhd)

334 Posted by: EC at February 07, 2014 02:25 PM (GQ8sn) Not necessarily "wrong." We had 2 or 3 in my CHL class who shot loopy. Of course, he *could* have just been posing for the camera, but I tend to think an ex-KGB agent would revert to form when holding a handgun.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 07, 2014 10:26 AM (PYAXX)

335 Sebastian, I am sorry about being strident in my remarks aimed at your comment.

rude of me.

Posted by: willow at February 07, 2014 10:26 AM (nqBYe)

336 That's the PP2000. PP stands for pewpew! 9mm SMG 600 rounds / minute 20 - 30 round mags There are lots of weapons that fill this niche. What's the appeal? It's Russian?

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at February 07, 2014 10:27 AM (44jNh)

337 Fuck the E.U.

Posted by: Secretariat of State Kerry at February 07, 2014 10:27 AM (6bMeY)

338 "We're asking this of the wealthy," de Blasio said, "because there are too many working parents in this city today" who need help.






Come on all you rich lefties in Manhattan start paying up. You voted for this shit So do your "fair share".

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 07, 2014 10:28 AM (1Jaio)

339 There are lots of weapons that fill this niche. What's the appeal? It's Russian? It looks all Sci-Fi?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 07, 2014 10:28 AM (PYAXX)

340 Ahhh ... the good ol' days, when KGB goons and the city police would bust up open-air art galleries in the city parks.  And paintings weren't the only things busted if you know what I mean and etc.,   Socialist realism, buddy, and that crap don't look real to me, while we're at it,   let's see your union card.  Don't have one?  Whooaaaa ...

Posted by: mrp at February 07, 2014 10:28 AM (JBggj)

341 Posted by: think at February 07, 2014 02:10 PM (OroYa) Shut up catpiss. Quit making up imaginary friends again.

Posted by: Buzzion at February 07, 2014 10:29 AM (//gZb)

342 So it's SOCIALISTS that control the Democratic Party. Liberals are somewhat different from socialists, I think. They have this sort of chaotic and confused world view that is usually at odds with ever the most basic laws of economics, and which closely resembles a skittles commercial. Actual socialists are well-organized thugs that know exactly what they're doing, and don't care what they have to do to get their way.

Posted by: Optimizer

Still incorrect; the 'leaders' on the Left are fascists. They don't give a shit about poor people. Their sole reason for being is wealth and power.

You can argue that the nomenklatura is inevitable in any form of collectivism but the core motivation for the 'leaders' is not helping the poor. They are lying sacks of shit that use the ignorant's stupidity against them.

Posted by: weft cut-loop[/i] [/b] at February 07, 2014 10:29 AM (cxs6V)

343 i believe it was Nullen , Nueden??, anyway not Kerry that made that remark.

Posted by: willow at February 07, 2014 10:29 AM (nqBYe)

344 Maxim used to be decent under Gutfeld. And it also had more than 12 pages per issue unlike nowadays.

Posted by: RWC at February 07, 2014 10:29 AM (fWAjv)

345 He couldn't think of a time but when pressed couldn't think of a Senator he'd call "leftwing". I suggested starting with self-identified socialist Bernie Sanders. The reporters response was he wouldn't call Sanders leftwing because Sanders wasn't that far out of the mainstream of the Democratic party.





MFM: Next thing you'll say is Karl Marx was a lefty. He was very mainstream!!!

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 07, 2014 10:29 AM (1Jaio)

346 There are lots of weapons that fill this niche. What's the appeal? It's Russian?


It's designed to shoot the Russian +P+ 9mm for extra armour piercing goodness for when those unruly female punk rockers get out of line.


Posted by: EC at February 07, 2014 10:30 AM (GQ8sn)

347 NRA and the magazine,
I would join, but that would put me on a list.
Cross referencing that list with the other lists I am already on would cause
difficulty for me.

Perhaps if there is an electronic edition, and we could filter it through underground anonymous proxy whatjamacallits, or perhaps pass around some underground DVDs?


Posted by: J. U. Pavik at February 07, 2014 10:30 AM (T0S3Y)

348

>>>Let me guess... it has Cheer Bear on it.

 

Nope. A paw, sometimes. Its basically all shades of hair colors from black to brown to red to blond to white.

Posted by: Bigby's Frostbitten Hands at February 07, 2014 10:30 AM (3ZtZW)

349 i believe it was Nullen , Nueden??, anyway not Kerry that made that remark.

Posted by: willow at February 07, 2014 02:29 PM (nqBYe)

 

But we can dream!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/i][/b][/u] at February 07, 2014 10:30 AM (4df7R)

350 There's a Leather Pride flag. Sydney Leathers unavailable for comment.

Posted by: garrett at February 07, 2014 10:30 AM (iUMdy)

351 Not necessarily "wrong." We had 2 or 3 in my CHL class who shot loopy. I'm in this category. Right hand dominant, left eye dominant. Never thought anyone would have a problem with it. I shoot my M1A lefty, and the brass flies right across my face. WhatAreYaGonnaDo?

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at February 07, 2014 10:30 AM (44jNh)

352 >>They borrow heavily from the IOC's official site.
http://www.sochi2014.com/en
Posted by: HR at February 07, 2014 02:14 PM (ZKzrr)

Ah. I see that there's an epidemic of cutting edge graphic designers out there.

* * * * * *
Uh, I think I know why there are so few graphic designers in Russia....

Posted by: TARGET STores - Electronic Security Division at February 07, 2014 10:31 AM (POpqt)

353 But we can dream!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 07, 2014 02:30 PM (4df7R)


hah, i believe he'd save that type of remark for US.

Posted by: willow at February 07, 2014 10:31 AM (nqBYe)

354 Sure wish I could buy a boatload (almost said 'buttload', but know the horde, and won't provide them fodder) of these, but $4.20 a pop is just too much. http://www.zazzle.com/resist_bumper_stickers-128895215530134458

Posted by: John Kerry at February 07, 2014 10:31 AM (aDwsi)

355 I've shot nearly all the SMG's fielded in WWII and nearly all of them were good weapons. Easy to shoot accurately.

Posted by: backhoe at February 07, 2014 10:31 AM (ULH4o)

356 Jimmy Fallon's musical sidekick Questlove and his band The Roots -- is a proud, open Communist. It's easy to be a rich, proud open commie.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 07, 2014 10:32 AM (659DL)

357 Too many silly people for me to deal with. Gonna start praying that God smites some sense into their mooshy brains. That, or turns them into ash. Either would do fine for me.

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at February 07, 2014 10:33 AM (FApZx)

358 It's designed to shoot the Russian +P+ 9mm for extra armour piercing goodness for when those unruly female punk rockers get out of line. Hmm, always thought of SMGs as soft-target weapons. If your opponent is armored, shouldn't you go in with a rifle?

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at February 07, 2014 10:33 AM (44jNh)

359 There are lots of weapons that fill this niche. What's the appeal? It's Russian? Posted by: bonhomme at February 07, 2014 02:27 PM (44jNh) Designed to fire the 7N31: 65 grain bullet @ 1967 fps. Comparable armor penetration to our FN P90 and MP7 except it also has a bit more mass for softer targets.

Posted by: RWC at February 07, 2014 10:33 AM (fWAjv)

360 >>Bill de Blasio, appeared with union leaders in support of his plan to raise taxes on incomes higher than $500,000 to fund public pre-kindergarten<<

NYC has one of the worst graduation rates. But go ahead and pour more money down the toilet.

Oh and that sound you hear are people rushing out the door. The sign on their car reads "Florida or Bust"

And the state...oh the state. They have huge looming budget issues (especially as revenue leaves). Those problems? Largely due to the unions Mr. Dumbass is standing with.

Detroit on the Hudson- here we come.

You don't get the government you deserve. You get the government you vote for. Good luck with that NYC.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 07, 2014 10:33 AM (GGCsk)

361 Of course removing dangerous tools of war from irresponsible hands is centrist. It's what every common-sense American wants for the sake of public safety. This is the only reasonable way to look at the situation.

Posted by: Sneering Marxist Toady at February 07, 2014 10:34 AM (i+I1A)

362 >>I have declared today National Quit Your Job Day. Posted by: Prez'nit 404 You first, fucker.

Posted by: Aviator at February 07, 2014 10:35 AM (DI+ja)

363 Guess I'm gonna hafta read "Hunger Games". That's where you learn to survive the new normal, right?

Posted by: J. U. Pavik at February 07, 2014 10:35 AM (T0S3Y)

364 Hmm, always thought of SMGs as soft-target weapons. If your opponent is armored, shouldn't you go in with a rifle? Posted by: bonhomme at February 07, 2014 02:33 PM (44jNh) Probably used in their personal security services. Whatever their equivalent of USSS, DSS, etc..

Posted by: RWC at February 07, 2014 10:35 AM (fWAjv)

365 I would argue that the Founders saw exactly this tendency- which is why they had legislatures appoint Senators (or at least- decide how they were appointed) in the first place.

That's part of it.  I think a larger issue is their failing to have anticipated how far the SCOTUS would go in twisting the words and clear intent of the Constitution far beyond any reasonable interpretation.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 07, 2014 10:37 AM (SY2Kh)

366 "No, Liberals Don't Control the Democratic Party"


Satan?

Posted by: Dang at February 07, 2014 10:37 AM (MNq6o)

367 Posted by: Marcus T at February 07, 2014 02:33 PM (GGCsk) So you're saying Detroit, NYC, Chicago, and LA are all in a race to see who can turn their lights out first?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 07, 2014 10:37 AM (PYAXX)

368 Designed to fire the 7N31: 65 grain bullet @ 1967 fps. Comparable armor penetration to our FN P90 and MP7 except it also has a bit more mass for softer targets. Sounds good to me. I think I'd take a H&K UMP over it though. Ya know, if I lived in a place where the 2nd Amendment meant something.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at February 07, 2014 10:37 AM (44jNh)

369

128: "Note there are only two categories where even a majority of Republicans favor cuts."

 

Yet another example of why I am no longer a Republican.

 

I'll accept my ox being gored. It already has been. Now it's everyone else's turn.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at February 07, 2014 10:37 AM (v6cwT)

370 I have declared today National Quit Your Job Day.

Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at February 07, 2014 01:19 PM (Dwehj)





The job market is way ahead of you on that one Prezzy

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 07, 2014 10:37 AM (1Jaio)

371 So you're saying Detroit, NYC, Chicago, and LA are all in a race to see who can turn their lights out first? Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 07, 2014 02:37 PM (PYAXX) ____________ Don't forget us

Posted by: Memphis and St, Louis at February 07, 2014 10:38 AM (0LHZx)

372

>>>Detroit on the Hudson- here we come.

 

Oh let's not be modest. NYC has called the shots for the entire State pretty much always, so I'm sure after Schumer and his gang get all the little Upstate Satraps lined up, they'll be drained and float NYC for a few months.

 

See, they're already Detroit. This is aiming for something with a Big Apple spin.

Posted by: Bigby's Frostbitten Hands at February 07, 2014 10:38 AM (3ZtZW)

373 ¿Dónde en el mundo es el Sr. Ace-o?

Posted by: Judge Pug at February 07, 2014 10:38 AM (NRYdU)

374 Posted by: Memphis and St, Louis at February 07, 2014 02:38 PM (0LHZx) Oh, good point. I'm sure we could add a few other cities to the race, too. Maybe we should have heats, a semi-final, and then a final.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 07, 2014 10:39 AM (PYAXX)

375

We're asking this of the wealthy," de Blasio said, "because there are too many working parents in this city today" who need help.

 

"And we all know rich people don't work, families making $500K per year in NYC count    as   rich people, and we want to make it so working people don't have to work anymore so they won't be locked into a job   and can run off to join the circus," the commie mayor went on to explain.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/i][/b][/u] at February 07, 2014 10:39 AM (4df7R)

376 Oh and that sound you hear are people rushing out the door. The sign on their car reads "Florida or Bust" Posted by: Marcus T at February 07, 2014 02:33 PM (GGCsk) ____________ And when they get to Florida, first thing they do is register as a Democrat and get ready to vote for the most liberal candidate they can find.

Posted by: Memphis and St, Louis at February 07, 2014 10:40 AM (0LHZx)

377 Probably used in their personal security services. Whatever their equivalent of USSS, DSS, etc.. Makes sense. Hey, does anyone know how to accurize an M1A without spending $2K? I thought when I spent $1400 on mine it'd come out of the box shooting better than 10MOA.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at February 07, 2014 10:40 AM (44jNh)

378 362 >>I have declared today National Quit Your Job Day. Posted by: Prez'nit 404 You first, fucker. I liked this one the best. Thanks Aviator.

Posted by: L, elle at February 07, 2014 10:40 AM (Cuj/g)

379 Don't forget us Posted by: Memphis ---------------- Up-and-comers: Atlanta & Charlotte

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 07, 2014 10:40 AM (aDwsi)

380 342 Still incorrect; the 'leaders' on the Left are fascists. They don't give a shit about poor people. Their sole reason for being is wealth and power. You can argue that the nomenklatura is inevitable in any form of collectivism but the core motivation for the 'leaders' is not helping the poor. They are lying sacks of shit that use the ignorant's stupidity against them. Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 07, 2014 02:29 PM (cxs6V) ------------------------------- The shift to "Neo-Marxism" (actually fascism) begins with the rejection of the WORKING class, the proletariat, in favor of the lumpenproletariat (welfare class.) You also see a shift from pure class struggle to racial struggle. Gender struggles are icing on the cake. And yeah, they don't really care about the newly designated Oppressed. No more than Stalin cared about actual workers and farmers.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 07, 2014 10:40 AM (dfYL9)

381 sock

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 07, 2014 10:40 AM (0LHZx)

382 I've got a FN PS90 and a Five Seven. Nothing like a pistol that shoots a 30 round magazine and I carry a spare 20. 50 rounds that barely kicks at all. http://tinyurl.com/75t9g6

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 07, 2014 10:40 AM (0FSuD)

383 And when they get to Florida, first thing they do is register as a Democrat and get ready to vote for the most liberal candidate they can find. Of course they do. Because it couldn't possibly be that the *policies* are what were wrong- no, it was just the idiots who implemented them. It's a Cargo Cult.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 07, 2014 10:41 AM (PYAXX)

384 So you're saying Detroit, NYC, Chicago, and LA are all in a race to see who can turn their lights out first?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 07, 2014 02:37 PM (PYAXX)





Mayor Rahm: I refuse to come up short in that race

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 07, 2014 10:42 AM (1Jaio)

385 Nothing like a pistol that shoots a 30 round magazine and I carry a spare 20. 50 rounds that barely kicks at all. Yeah... but I need both my kidneys. Hmmm... my brothers are both Libs. Maybe I can sell theirs...

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 07, 2014 10:42 AM (PYAXX)

386 Is Ace in Sochi?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 07, 2014 10:42 AM (oFCZn)

387 The SCOAMF shown applauding the Russian Sickle: http://tinyurl.com/l6l2usx pjmedia

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: TGIF! at February 07, 2014 10:43 AM (IXrOn)

388 Oh boy.
http://is.gd/NnxuvO

Posted by: HR at February 07, 2014 10:43 AM (ZKzrr)

389 386 Is Ace in Sochi? Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 07, 2014 02:42 PM (oFCZn) ________ Word on the street is nobody is in Sochi...aside from reporters and atheltes, there are no foreigners in town for the games.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 07, 2014 10:43 AM (0LHZx)

390 No podcats this week?

Posted by: Waterhouse at February 07, 2014 10:44 AM (hBNxo)

391 And when they get to Florida, first thing they do is register as a Democrat and get ready to vote for the most liberal candidate they can find. Posted by: Memphis ------------------------- The second thing they do is migrate slink back north to Georgia and the two Carolinas, despoiling everything that they touch.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 07, 2014 10:44 AM (aDwsi)

392 It is high time we stop pointing the finger at "liberals", "socialists", "capitalists", "communists", and point the finger where it fucking belongs. THE JEWS. THE JEWS ARE THE DRIVING FORCE BEHIND ALL PERMISSIBLE IDEOLOGIES. THAT IS WHY ALL PERMISSIBLE IDEOLOGIES DO NOT WORK. THE JEWISH ELEMENT IS ALWAYS PROMOTING DEGENERACY NO MATTER WHO "WINS". THAT IS ALSO WHY THIS COMMENT WILL BE DELETED. THE JEWS ARE THE ONLY GROUP YOU CANNOT OPENLY CRITICIZE, PRECISELY BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY ARE TO BLAME.

Posted by: WAKE UP ASSHOLES at February 07, 2014 10:44 AM (LmD/o)

393 No podcats this week? Is that like the feline version of pod-people?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 07, 2014 10:44 AM (PYAXX)

394 Stomfronter in the house.

Posted by: garrett at February 07, 2014 10:45 AM (iUMdy)

395 Well, that was virulent.

Posted by: HR at February 07, 2014 10:45 AM (ZKzrr)

396 Word on the street is nobody is in Sochi...aside from reporters and atheltes, there are no foreigners in town for the games. Really? Why?

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at February 07, 2014 10:45 AM (44jNh)

397 Da joos made my mommy a whore.

Posted by: WAKE UP ASSHOLE at February 07, 2014 10:46 AM (Aif/5)

398 365---- I think a larger issue is their failing to have anticipated how far the SCOTUS would go in twisting the words and clear intent of the Constitution far beyond any reasonable interpretation. Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 07, 2014 02:37 PM (SY2Kh) ---------------- THIS. I would also submit that the balance between states and feds is overturned when it is definitely determined that the states have no right to secede. You have to have SOME mechanism for secession.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 07, 2014 10:46 AM (dfYL9)

399 Posted by: WAKE UP ASSHOLES at February 07, 2014 02:44 PM (LmD/o) I love when Stormfront idiots come here with their racist crap and claim "It's the joooooooos!" as the reason their racist crap gets deleted. Oh, and clean-up at the above post, and a good banhammering is probably in order.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 07, 2014 10:46 AM (PYAXX)

400 Really? Why? Jews.

Posted by: garrett at February 07, 2014 10:46 AM (iUMdy)

401 2010 - World Cup in S.A. 2014 Olympics in Russia 2014 World Cup in Brazil 2016 Olympics in Rio 2018 World Cup in Russia 2022 World Cup in Qatar It's like the people organizing these events don't want any westerners attending

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 07, 2014 10:46 AM (0LHZx)

402 WUA, have you ever even seen a Jew in real life?

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at February 07, 2014 10:46 AM (44jNh)

403 Il est vrai que Ace est en France admirring les beaux phares Parisien, n'est pas?

Posted by: Judge Pug at February 07, 2014 10:46 AM (NRYdU)

404 I sense a presence..., it is powerful. It's...., The BANHAMMER!

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 07, 2014 10:47 AM (aDwsi)

405 The Jews haven't cut off that Guy's internet yet, so I'm guessing they don't control much.

Posted by: Lincolntf at February 07, 2014 10:47 AM (ZshNr)

406 Posted by: WAKE UP ASSHOLES at February 07, 2014 02:44 PM (LmD/o) I didn't realize obama was jewish...

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: TGIF! at February 07, 2014 10:47 AM (IXrOn)

407 You know, we just don't see enough SCOAMF on live television.
http://is.gd/708kg2

Posted by: HR at February 07, 2014 10:47 AM (ZKzrr)

408 Really? Why? Posted by: bonhomme at February 07, 2014 02:45 PM (44jNh) __________ Cuz nobody wants to go to a 3rd world country to watch sporting events they can watch on their 60" HD TV? just a guess.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 07, 2014 10:47 AM (0LHZx)

409 Hey, does anyone know how to accurize an M1A without spending $2K? I thought when I spent $1400 on mine it'd come out of the box shooting better than 10MOA.


Shoot with your other eye?




Posted by: EC at February 07, 2014 10:47 AM (GQ8sn)

410 >>>> Stormfronter in the house Can we get a new thread, please?

Posted by: L, elle at February 07, 2014 10:47 AM (Cuj/g)

411

Re: 392.

 

Well. It's been a while since I've seen that level of unhinged.

 

Congratulations. Here's your sign.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at February 07, 2014 10:48 AM (v6cwT)

412 I sure like the "ignore" I have in FF....

Posted by: backhoe at February 07, 2014 10:48 AM (ULH4o)

413 Did someone let KKKilgore out of his aquarium again?

Posted by: Lincolntf at February 07, 2014 10:48 AM (ZshNr)

414

I BLAME ALL CAP POSTINGS

THIS IS WHY THIS COMMENT WILL BE DELETED

Posted by: Bigby's Frostbitten Hands at February 07, 2014 10:48 AM (3ZtZW)

415 Da joos made my mommy a whore. Posted by: WAKE UP ASSHOLE ---------------------- Second big chuckle today.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 07, 2014 10:48 AM (aDwsi)

416 I would also submit that the balance between states and feds is overturned when it is definitely determined that the states have no right to secede. You have to have SOME mechanism for secession. I agree, here, but as a President once said (misquoted) "Oh,yeah? The SCOTUS and what army?" Though at some point I think we get to chicken-and-egg.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 07, 2014 10:48 AM (PYAXX)

417 THE NANNY WAS THE GREATEST SITCOM EVER MADE!

Posted by: WEAK TEA ASSHOLE at February 07, 2014 10:48 AM (iUMdy)

418 new post

Posted by: willow at February 07, 2014 10:48 AM (nqBYe)

419 I think you hit your caps lock key. You'll want to hit that again or everyone will think you are an asshole.

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 07, 2014 10:49 AM (6bMeY)

420 Cuz nobody wants to go to a 3rd world country where there's a decent chance of terrorist attacks by Islamists joos!! to watch sporting events they can watch on their 60" HD TV? ------ Fixed.

Posted by: Adam at February 07, 2014 10:49 AM (Aif/5)

421

>>Not necessarily "wrong." We had 2 or 3 in my CHL class who shot loopy.

I'm in this category. Right hand dominant, left eye dominant. Never thought anyone would have a problem with it.

I shoot my M1A lefty, and the brass flies right across my face. WhatAreYaGonnaDo?

.

.

.I gave up on my non-dominate wrong eye issues and now shoot pistol with both eyes open.  It works for me, but it is one heck of a learning curve.

Posted by: Registered Voter at February 07, 2014 10:49 AM (Rm+rQ)

422 Whoa, dude. Go to the medicine cabinet and take your meds.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 07, 2014 10:49 AM (pkL1X)

423 "The average "Liberal" presents themselves as an oppressed minority. They'll squeal about how the word liberal is now an insult and how unfair it all is when they're just defending their views in the face of oppression. I tell 'em they're not the Rebellion but the Empire and they just can't get their little minds wrapped around that." To this day it cracks me up that one of the greatest examples of libertarianism in the media, Captain Mal Reynolds of the Firefly, was the brain child of raving leftist Joss Whedon. The disconnect blows me away. Although I suppose much of the dialogue came from Tim Minear, who is IIRC a conservative.

Posted by: Emile Antoon Khadaji at February 07, 2014 10:49 AM (CrJzY)

424 Shoot with your other eye? HA! Seriously though, after I had such bad results I got a friend who is a competition rifle shooter. He did better than me, naturally. But he was still shooting 9" groups at 100 yards.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at February 07, 2014 10:49 AM (44jNh)

425 It's like the people organizing these events don't want any westerners attending Errr... 2010- Winter Olympics in Vancouver. Also- Brazil *is* in the West, and most of Europe (arguably "the West") is fairly close to Russia, and not all that far from Qatar. Just sayin'.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 07, 2014 10:49 AM (PYAXX)

426 388 Oh boy. http://is.gd/NnxuvO Posted by: HR at February 07, 2014 02:43 PM (ZKzrr) Isn't that special :/

Posted by: spypeach at February 07, 2014 10:49 AM (10H0T)

427 >>You know, we just don't see enough SCOAMF on live television.
http://is.gd/708kg2



So does TFG (or his wife) have to appear some time during every major TV event, whether it's the Super Bowl, the Oscars, American Idol, the Olympics, etc.? How very Dear Leaderish!!

Posted by: Lizzy at February 07, 2014 10:50 AM (POpqt)

428

"Hey, does anyone know how to accurize an M1A without spending $2K?"

 

Better question: Where can a mug GET a M1A without spending 2k?



Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at February 07, 2014 10:50 AM (f6ZLT)

429 You know, we just don't see enough SCOAMF on live television. http://is.gd/708kg2 Posted by: HR at February 07, 2014 02:47 PM (ZKzrr) so f*cking sick of his ugly ass face and voice the sound of channel changing will ring throughout the country or, toilet's flushing

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: TGIF! at February 07, 2014 10:50 AM (IXrOn)

430 Gotta love the Jew-Derpers. They literally have nothing to say but "Jews control the world", then they go out and fuck up the world themselves. If the Jews ran the world, do you think Obama would be President?

Posted by: Lincolntf at February 07, 2014 10:50 AM (ZshNr)

431 Nothing like a pistol that shoots a 30 round magazine and I carry a spare 20. 50 rounds that barely kicks at all.


Here's hoping you never have to use it to defend yourself.  The cops will seize it and you will most likely never see it again.

Posted by: EC at February 07, 2014 10:51 AM (GQ8sn)

432 The Today show aired Obama's "message to the Olympic athletes" this morning. WTF?

Posted by: Lizzy at February 07, 2014 10:52 AM (POpqt)

433 The Today show aired Obama's "message to the Olympic athletes" this morning.

"Win one for Der Führer?"

Posted by: HR at February 07, 2014 10:53 AM (ZKzrr)

434 One thing for sure, if Jews ran the world, Israel would be a much larger place.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 07, 2014 10:54 AM (jTKU5)

435 One thing for sure, if Jews ran the world, Israel would be a much larger place.

THATS ONLY WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO THINK

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 07, 2014 10:55 AM (SY2Kh)

436 Better question: Where can a mug GET a M1A without spending 2k? Dunno. I bought mine about ten years ago. Springfield Scout Squad for $1400.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at February 07, 2014 10:56 AM (44jNh)

437 How come these clowns never stick around to discuss their IMPORTANT HATEMENTS?

Posted by: Meremortal at February 07, 2014 10:57 AM (jTKU5)

438 "An eleven year old shot his nine year old brother." Just a very late term abortion. Left is cool with that.

Posted by: whoever at February 07, 2014 10:57 AM (kGSN0)

439 HA! Seriously though, after I had such bad results I got a friend who is a competition rifle shooter. He did better than me, naturally. But he was still shooting 9" groups at 100 yards.

Posted by: bonhomme at February 07, 2014 02:49 PM (44jNh)

 

I'm feelin' real good about my $200 commie surplus Mosin M44 carbine right about now.

 

If you can't kill it with a Mosin, it can't be killed.

Posted by: troyriser at February 07, 2014 10:57 AM (gNlvW)

440 Most copraphiliacs are anti-semitic - no one knows why. They love rubbing feces on their privates and somehow that makes them yell about "the joooos". Some have posited that it is a form of brain infection, like fluke or nematode that would normally pass except for their habits of 'snuffling' their wet feces into their sinuses where the encysted eggs would hatch and burrow for the meninges. True fact. So every time you smell shit? There's a diarrhea-snorting nazi nearby - that, or an open sewer. Same difference.

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at February 07, 2014 10:59 AM (FApZx)

441 >>Da joos made my mommy a whore. Posted by: WAKE UP ASSHOLE Nah, she is a self made woman.

Posted by: Aviator at February 07, 2014 11:01 AM (DI+ja)

442 So every time you smell shit? There's a diarrhea-snorting nazi nearby - that, or an open sewer. Same difference.

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at February 07, 2014 02:59 PM (FApZx)

 

Mind if I use that?

Posted by: Marilyn Manson, Still Looking For Cultural Relevance, Thanks at February 07, 2014 11:01 AM (gNlvW)

443 I mean, parse it out. Where's all the scheiss-porn made and marketed in the world? Germany. I rest my case.

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at February 07, 2014 11:02 AM (FApZx)

444 ... bu .. but .. Obama isn't a liberal.  He is a fascist.
Richard Nixon was a liberal.

Posted by: Walken in a winter wonderland at February 07, 2014 11:04 AM (e8kgV)

445 I see you guys talk about this while the site's token democrat is away cowards

Posted by: navycopjoe at February 07, 2014 11:04 AM (At8tV)

446 A group of 60 wealthy donors and activists have signed onto a new letter urging Congress to create a system of public financing that would curtail their own influence in elections, according to a copy of the letter being sent to the Hill on Friday.

Signatories to the letter include major Democratic bundler Naomi Aberly, Craigslist founder Craig Newmark, Ben & JerryÂ’s co-founder Ben Cohen, tech mogul David DesJardins, businessman Arnold Hiatt and Jonathan Soros, among others.

... simple solution ... Send the IRS and tax the hell out of them

Posted by: Edward R Morrow at February 07, 2014 11:07 AM (e8kgV)

447 The....IRS
..TheIRS..

Posted by: Lois Lerner at February 07, 2014 11:08 AM (e8kgV)

448 "Take any issue the left concerns itself with. There is only one acceptable position."

Too true. I remember when the Terri Schaivo controversy was raging, the comment sites on the right were filled with impassioned debate over the case: the facts of the case, its merits, the principles underlying such a decision, and broader questions of life and when and how it should end. There was a wide range of opinion - not surprising, given that "the right" encompasses viewpoints ranging from extreme libertarians to ultramontanist Catholics. The debate was sometimes over the top, but at its best, it was what one hopes for in a democratic society.

And on the left? A chorus chanting "Pull the plug!"

Posted by: Brown Line at February 07, 2014 11:41 AM (VrNoa)

449

Posted by: Brown Line at February 07, 2014 03:41 PM (VrNoa)

 

Good point nicely written.

Posted by: troyriser at February 07, 2014 11:52 AM (gNlvW)

450 I couldn't believe the number of people I know here in Maine who said Romney was ultra right wing. Wouldn't answer how a right winger would managed to win state wide election in Massachusettes though.

Posted by: Donavon PfeifferJr at February 07, 2014 02:12 PM (w/J7i)

451 Liberals do not control the Democratic Party; the liberals, those who believe in the rule of law, limited government, individual rights, free speech, freedom of religion, etc. were driven out of the part long ago and replaced with assorted leftists and grievance groups, a demographics special interests. The Democrats have not believed in liberal ideas for decades; they claim to be liberals but are in the main simply fascists without the nationalism which usually accompanies that economic/political ideology.

Posted by: DrEvil007 at February 07, 2014 03:05 PM (YIriA)

452 THE TREE OF TYRANNY NEEDS TO BE WATERED FROM TIME TO TIME WITH THE PISS OF PATRIOTS.

Posted by: IP727 at February 08, 2014 05:35 AM (J+cfY)

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