March 17, 2014
— Ace The Malaysia PM now calls the disappearance "deliberate."
Malaysia's prime minister says the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 appears to be "deliberate."Speaking to the press early Saturday, Prime Minister Najib Razak said the investigation has refocused onto the crew and passengers aboard the missing plane. He added that despite growing evidence to suggest a possible hijacking or sabotage, all possibilities are still being investigated.
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Earlier, a Malaysian government official who is involved in the investigation said investigators have concluded that one of the pilots or someone else with flying experience hijacked the missing Malaysia Airlines jet.
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The official said that hijacking was no longer a theory. "It is conclusive."
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Sources told the Reuters news agency on Friday, meanwhile, that the path Flight 370 appears to have taken after diverting from its intended route strongly suggests that a trained pilot was still in control of the aircraft.
More clues keep coming in, some of them, of course, contradictory, as they usually have been in this case.
First, the plane was allegedly dropped to 5,000 feet. There is no reason to fly at such a low altitude -- it's difficult and it eats up fuel -- unless a skilled pilot intends to evade radar.
Second, despite earlier reports that the ACARS system was turned off before the cockpit issued its last communication with air control ("All right, good night"), there now appears to be considerable doubt about that.
Malaysian officials earlier said those words ["All right, good night"] came after one of the jetliner's data communications systems - the Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System - had been switched off, sharpening suspicion that one or both of the pilots may have been involved in the plane's disappearance.However, Ahmad said Monday that while the last data transmission from ACARS - which gives plane performance and maintenance information - came before that, it was still unclear at what point the system was switched off. That opened the possibility that both ACARS and the plane's transponders - which make the plane visible to civilian air traffic controllers - were severed later and at about the same time.
So the earlier report seemed based upon the last transmission from ACARS -- not actual evidence the system had been disabled at any particular time. Also, the way I read this, this seems to strongly undermine previous reports that ACARS and the transponder had been turned off at different times -- because it looks like the guess as to when ACARS was turned off only comes from when its last transmission occurred. Assuming that ACARS only pings a satellite intermittently (which must be true), the last transmission from ACARS gives very little clue at all as to when it was turned off. It can only tell you the last time it was definitely on.
A previous report had suggested that Flight 370 disappeared in a corridor of very little radar cover, in between Malaysia's radar system and Vietnam's, suggesting that whoever stole the plane chose the best possible time and place to disable the transponder. I don't know if that report still holds up; everything seems to be revised 24 hours later.
The Daily Mail now reports that it was not the captain but the copilot who said "All right, good night," but I'm not sure that really matters.
On the other hand, this seems worth looking into:
It has also been revealed that the pilot's wife and three children moved out of the family home the day before the plane went missing.
The report goes on to say that US investigators say that the pilot and co-pilot did not ask to be assigned to fly together, reducing the likelihood of a conspiracy between them.
The Daily Mail also claims that nine people in northern Malaysia claim to have seen either bright lights in the sky, or heard a jet engine, or both, the night of the disappearance.
Investigators told the New Straits Times that they were now convinced the aircraft flow low over Kelantan, which is in the north east - exactly the same area where the villagers and fishermen who saw bright lights in the sky on the night the jet vanished are living.At least nine people - fishermen, farmers and villagers - have made reports to police about seeing lights in the sky and some said they heard the loud noise of an engine.
These accounts appear to match the conclusions of investigators who say the jet flew low after making a sharp turn and heading west from its course over the South China Sea.
The first report of a 'bright light descending at high speed' came from Alif Fathi Abdul Hadi, 29, who said he saw the light heading towards the South China Sea at 1.45am on the night the aircraft disappeared.
A lot has been written about the captain's ownership of a flight simulator. It wouldn't ordinarily seem very suspicious that a pilot owns a flight simulator, but in the current context, of course, every tiny fact is being examined.
The Daily Mail also says a steward aboard the flight owned a flight simulator as well.
That doesn't seem terribly unusual or important to me, but, again, everything is now being looked at.
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Posted by: t-bird at March 17, 2014 08:03 AM (FcR7P)
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Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 17, 2014 08:05 AM (FMNSK)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 17, 2014 08:06 AM (7ObY1)
The Daily Mail also says a steward aboard the flight owned a flight simulator as well.
That doesn't seem terribly unusual or important to me, but, again, everything is now being looked at.
Why on earth would a steward on the flight need a flight simulator?
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Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 17, 2014 08:09 AM (ZPrif)
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Posted by: Barky O'Genius at March 17, 2014 08:09 AM (FMNSK)
Posted by: IrishEd at March 17, 2014 08:09 AM (D0NZx)
Question: If the pilot was, as some are alleging, pissed off about some government official being jailed for homosexuality, does that mean the pilot is pro-ghey, and therefore, probably not a jihadist?
Posted by: Citizen X at March 17, 2014 12:06 PM (7ObY1)
Or, he was pissed off that the government official was in the government in the first place because homosexuality is forbidden by the Koran, and dorking boys doesn't count.
Posted by: joncelli at March 17, 2014 08:09 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 17, 2014 08:11 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Eric Holder at March 17, 2014 08:11 AM (Aif/5)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 17, 2014 08:11 AM (IXrOn)
Heh. In that movie the plane is landed by a dude who's only experience is an PlayStation flight simulator game because the pilots are dead.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 17, 2014 08:11 AM (udjuE)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 17, 2014 08:11 AM (ZPrif)
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Posted by: joncelli at March 17, 2014 12:09 PM (RD7QR)
Whoops, should have read before I commented. So maybe the guy will become a homosexual hero.
Posted by: joncelli at March 17, 2014 08:11 AM (RD7QR)
Okay, how did the 52 year old pilot incapacitate the 27 year old co-pilot. Did he have a gun, knife, strips of bacon.
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at March 17, 2014 08:11 AM (WdbF7)
Posted by: Fritz at March 17, 2014 08:11 AM (UzPAd)
Posted by: jwest at March 17, 2014 08:12 AM (u2a4R)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 17, 2014 08:12 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: jwest at March 17, 2014 12:12 PM (u2a4R)
Then go...where? Not Barcelona, obviously.
Posted by: joncelli at March 17, 2014 08:13 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at March 17, 2014 08:13 AM (RZ8pf)
Posted by: Iranian Passport Theives at March 17, 2014 08:13 AM (JQuNB)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 17, 2014 08:14 AM (ZPrif)
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Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at March 17, 2014 08:14 AM (HDwDg)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 17, 2014 08:15 AM (IXrOn)
It seems the plane was tracked for hours after the active signals were turned off. That plus the radar avoidance effort makes a suicide by plane unlikely. At this point, I think the biggest concerns are what happens to the passengers, and where/how will this plane re-appear.
Posted by: Advo at March 17, 2014 08:15 AM (7vbG1)
Posted by: Trimegistus at March 17, 2014 08:15 AM (wgOKn)
If they follow the advice of those who say Democrats should double down and launch a full-throated defense of Obamacare, they lose independents.
If they follow the advice of those who say Democrats should attack Obamacare, they despirit their base.
And if they listen to those who argue they should walk the middle ground and talk about their plans to “fix” Obamacare — precisely the message that failed in Florida — they alienate everyone.
Posted by: Pres**ent Barack “Unexpectedly Breaking The Law” Obama at March 17, 2014 08:16 AM (e8kgV)
Posted by: janetoo at March 17, 2014 08:16 AM (DVU82)
Posted by: jwest at March 17, 2014 08:16 AM (u2a4R)
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at March 17, 2014 12:14 PM (e8kgV)
Yeah, maybe up near the Thai/Burma border, which is apparently a no-man's land.
Posted by: joncelli at March 17, 2014 08:16 AM (RD7QR)
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Posted by: Andy at March 17, 2014 08:16 AM (Zz0Hh)
Posted by: Yes it sucks at March 17, 2014 08:16 AM (Vf2XA)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 17, 2014 08:17 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: Susan Rice at March 17, 2014 08:17 AM (GSIDW)
Posted by: MH 370, now under new management at March 17, 2014 08:17 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: Iranian Passport Theives at March 17, 2014 08:17 AM (JQuNB)
Posted by: sluggo at March 17, 2014 08:17 AM (kUJnr)
Posted by: JackStraw at March 17, 2014 08:18 AM (g1DWB)
Karachi.
The Boeing 777-200ER has a 45,220 U.S. gal fuel capacity.
Posted by: CO at March 17, 2014 12:16 PM (cqZPN)
The Pakis would have to be complicit. Not unlikely but pretty provocative.
Posted by: joncelli at March 17, 2014 08:18 AM (RD7QR)
It's a little more than Microsoft's program.
Posted by: Country Singer at March 17, 2014 08:18 AM (L8r/r)
By the way, this was the pilot. No co-pilot. Given the level of sophisticated flying, etc.
The movement around 45,000 AGL then down to 23,000 involved some type of struggle.
His wife and kids leaving was either a trigger event or planned. But again, we won't get to know that for some time because the investigators have been deliberately slow with any facts that may indict the pilots. Your guess as to why.
Posted by: Marcus T. at March 17, 2014 08:18 AM (GGCsk)
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Posted by: Insomniac <<<
Absolutely. "bright lights descending at high speed"! C'mon, this is a no-brainer. Just chalk it up to another "triangle" and go home.
Posted by: Roy at March 17, 2014 08:20 AM (VndSC)
Posted by: Definitley NOT Elvis at March 17, 2014 08:20 AM (vgIRn)
Posted by: maloderous at March 17, 2014 12:15 PM (p2s4o)
If not, someone's about to become really good friends with a volleyball.
Posted by: Country Singer at March 17, 2014 08:20 AM (L8r/r)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 17, 2014 08:20 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: Fritz at March 17, 2014 08:20 AM (UzPAd)
Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at March 17, 2014 08:20 AM (RZ8pf)
Why did the Malaysians have everybody scouring the Gulf of Thailand, the South China Sea, and the Strait of Malacca when they were holding evidence that the plane had flown west of those areas?
Posted by: kbdabear at March 17, 2014 08:21 AM (aTXUx)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] at March 17, 2014 08:21 AM (HsTG8)
Posted by: The Yellow Pug at March 17, 2014 08:21 AM (r7mtu)
I haven't even upgraded mine in years. Swearsies!
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 17, 2014 08:21 AM (FMNSK)
Posted by: Count de Monet at March 17, 2014 08:21 AM (BAS5M)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 17, 2014 08:22 AM (ZPrif)
What use would it be for him to turn off plane communications before he crashed it?
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It would be useful if the pilot wanted to use it as a missle
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 17, 2014 08:22 AM (0Jb7F)
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Posted by: teej-who must be doing pretty much everything wrong at March 17, 2014 08:24 AM (Nsomq)
Posted by: joncelli at March 17, 2014 12:18 PM (RD7QR)"
And what better time than when President Supergenius has blundered into a diplomatic showdown with the people who control the only other way to resupply our troops in Afghanistan or even to get them out?
Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at March 17, 2014 08:24 AM (PD6iL)
Posted by: kbdabear at March 17, 2014 12:21 PM (aTXUx)
Maybe they shot it down accidentally. One of my early theories before I heard that it flew on for a while.
Posted by: The Aliens at March 17, 2014 08:24 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Roy at March 17, 2014 08:24 AM (VndSC)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 17, 2014 08:24 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Mooch at March 17, 2014 08:24 AM (611Rk)
They have relatively good radar systems, but not that good (see the UBL Op). Even a heavy could, at the right altitude and without full government knowledge land in Pakistan.
By the way, it has been reported there are almost 700 airstrips where that plane could have landed (conventional) given range, etc. That goes well above 700 for "unconventional" landings.
Posted by: Marcus T. at March 17, 2014 08:24 AM (GGCsk)
Definitely heading into tinfoil territory with this, but I find it extremely unlikely that there were multiple Iranian fake passport holders on one plane, AND that the pilot's family moved out the day of.
My money is now on the idea that Iran is behind this, and blackmailed the pilot by threatening his family if he didn't do what he was told. The goal was to have a non-traceable plane which could serve as a nuke-delivery device in case Israel or the US (yeah right) actually attacked the Iranian bomb-building facilities.
Posted by: pep at March 17, 2014 08:24 AM (4nR9/)
Posted by: t-bird at March 17, 2014 08:25 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at March 17, 2014 08:25 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: willow at March 17, 2014 08:25 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 17, 2014 08:26 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 17, 2014 08:26 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: kbdabear at March 17, 2014 08:26 AM (aTXUx)
Posted by: rickl at March 17, 2014 08:26 AM (zoehZ)
Racism, straight up.
Posted by: HR at March 17, 2014 08:27 AM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at March 17, 2014 08:27 AM (RZ8pf)
Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl Happy St. Patrick's Day at March 17, 2014 08:27 AM (u8GsB)
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 17, 2014 12:26 PM (bitz6)
I saw a Craigslist ad for it on Facebook.
Posted by: Country Singer at March 17, 2014 08:27 AM (L8r/r)
Posted by: t-bird at March 17, 2014 08:27 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: willow at March 17, 2014 12:25 PM (nqBYe)"
It's like getting BJs from interns at work and then lying about it under oath. Everybody does it.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at March 17, 2014 08:28 AM (PD6iL)
Posted by: votermom at March 17, 2014 08:28 AM (GSIDW)
Posted by: jaimo at March 17, 2014 08:28 AM (9U1OG)
Posted by: kbdabear at March 17, 2014 08:28 AM (aTXUx)
Mickey Finn. Very easy for two men that traveled together often and were known to stretch cockpit rules a bit.
Posted by: Marcus T. at March 17, 2014 08:28 AM (GGCsk)
Posted by: kbdabear
Well, if you own a national airline, want to see it stay at least somewhat profitable, and half of your pilots are ROP types, wouldn't you be looking for a bit of misdirection?
Posted by: pep at March 17, 2014 08:28 AM (4nR9/)
Another mistake - actually the pilot had a flight "stimulator" at his place. One of those blow up thing-a-ma-bobs. Nothing out of sorts for your typical pilots.
Posted by: Roy at March 17, 2014 08:28 AM (VndSC)
where are our priorities people?
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/ci15476961#summary
;-)
Posted by: redc1c4 at March 17, 2014 08:29 AM (q+fqH)
Posted by: Iranian Cleric at March 17, 2014 08:29 AM (Aif/5)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 17, 2014 08:29 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 17, 2014 08:29 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Yes it sucks at March 17, 2014 08:29 AM (Vf2XA)
Posted by: soothsayer at March 17, 2014 08:29 AM (xSfiX)
Posted by: jaimo at March 17, 2014 08:30 AM (9U1OG)
Posted by: willow at March 17, 2014 08:30 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Navycopjoe at March 17, 2014 08:30 AM (yZxXI)
Posted by: Andy at March 17, 2014 08:30 AM (SaYNg)
Posted by: jwest at March 17, 2014 08:30 AM (u2a4R)
The key word here being "untraceable".
Posted by: pep at March 17, 2014 08:30 AM (4nR9/)
Posted by: t-bird at March 17, 2014 08:31 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 17, 2014 08:31 AM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Yes it sucks
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I had thought of that, but Pnom Penh was a lot closer than KL
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 17, 2014 08:31 AM (0Jb7F)
Posted by: joncelli at March 17, 2014 08:31 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 17, 2014 08:31 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 17, 2014 08:32 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: phreshone at March 17, 2014 08:32 AM (Q6pxP)
Posted by: Roy at March 17, 2014 08:32 AM (VndSC)
Posted by: concrete girl at March 17, 2014 08:32 AM (LhAqq)
Posted by: soothsayer at March 17, 2014 08:33 AM (xSfiX)
Also can't find 10mil+ illegal aliens
But they think they can find all our guns
It's even more remarkable that Barry can find neither a sense of decency nor the two small orbs theoretically located in his crotch region.
Posted by: pep at March 17, 2014 08:33 AM (4nR9/)
A couple things about this stand out to me (I have no experitse in any of this).
1) All the radar shit is spotty and nonsensical.
2) There were lithium batteries in the cargo.
3) Jet fuel was streaked in the ocean along the original flight path.
4) No good reason was given for discounting that.
4) The Malaysian authorities are dipshits.
Conclusion: A massive raging fire consumed everything that could float and the rest shredded apart and sank.
Posted by: disgusting oratory at March 17, 2014 08:34 AM (qPxLX)
Posted by: Sheila Jackson Lee at March 17, 2014 08:34 AM (aTXUx)
Posted by: President Barack Obama at March 17, 2014 08:34 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at March 17, 2014 08:34 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Marcus T. at March 17, 2014 08:34 AM (GGCsk)
Posted by: Justamom at March 17, 2014 08:34 AM (Sptt8)
If he's willing to off himself I doubt he gave a damn about his passengers or their families.
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at March 17, 2014 08:35 AM (WdbF7)
Posted by: Joe Biden at March 17, 2014 08:35 AM (JQuNB)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 17, 2014 08:35 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: General Zod at March 17, 2014 08:35 AM (2+bRt)
Posted by: Count de Monet at March 17, 2014 08:35 AM (BAS5M)
Posted by: Navycopjoe at March 17, 2014 08:35 AM (yZxXI)
Posted by: Marcus T. at March 17, 2014 08:35 AM (GGCsk)
4) No good reason was given for discounting that.
Posted by: disgusting oratory at March 17, 2014 12:34 PM (qPxLX)
The oil streaks were bunker oil, not jet fuel: http://tinyurl.com/pldmkad
Posted by: Country Singer at March 17, 2014 08:36 AM (L8r/r)
Holy. Shit.Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 17, 2014 08:36 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 17, 2014 08:36 AM (bitz6)
Posted by: thunderb at March 17, 2014 08:36 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Marcus T. at March 17, 2014 08:36 AM (GGCsk)
Posted by: Brother Cavil at March 17, 2014 08:36 AM (naUcP)
Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at March 17, 2014 08:37 AM (1xUj/)
Posted by: soothsayer at March 17, 2014 12:33 PM (xSfiX)
Don't make me break out the Strongly Worded Letter!!
Posted by: King Barry the Tough at March 17, 2014 08:37 AM (aTXUx)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 17, 2014 08:37 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Fritz at March 17, 2014 08:37 AM (UzPAd)
Posted by: Yes it sucks at March 17, 2014 08:37 AM (Vf2XA)
Posted by: jaimo at March 17, 2014 08:38 AM (9U1OG)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at March 17, 2014 08:38 AM (32Ze2)
Posted by: Marcus T. at March 17, 2014 08:38 AM (GGCsk)
Posted by: Spring Fever at March 17, 2014 08:38 AM (i7KmQ)
Posted by: joncelli
It does give one a real frisson, doesn't it?
Oh my. Its place in the world. Its "standing" in the "world community."
A Very Important thing...on a college campus.
Read the end of Peggy Noonan's column from a few days ago. She's annoying, but got this one spot on.
"Not being George W. Bush is not a foreign policy. Not invading countries is not a foreign policy. Wishing to demonstrate your sophistication by announcing you are unencumbered by the false historical narratives of the past is not a foreign policy. Assuming the world will be nice if we're not militarist is not a foreign policy.
What is our foreign policy? Disliking global warming?"
Posted by: pep at March 17, 2014 08:39 AM (4nR9/)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] at March 17, 2014 08:39 AM (MQJUb)
Posted by: ontherocks at March 17, 2014 08:39 AM (bbIqb)
Posted by: Preznit Urkel X at March 17, 2014 08:40 AM (32Ze2)
And a couple of quick Blitzkrieg's and an alliance with China will get it back.
Dumbass, mom-jeans wearing weakling.
Posted by: Marcus T. at March 17, 2014 08:40 AM (GGCsk)
Posted by: willow at March 17, 2014 08:41 AM (nqBYe)
My brother's an Air Force Captain with I don't know how many thousands of hours flying planes. He's got a nice flight simulator setup at home.
The steward having a setup like that is certainly worth investigating, but is it really a red flag? A waiter wants to be something else? That's a first.
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at March 17, 2014 08:41 AM (P7Wsr)
Posted by: The Yellow Pug at March 17, 2014 08:41 AM (r7mtu)
Posted by: Rep Hank Johnson at March 17, 2014 08:41 AM (aTXUx)
Wait. Is this a new David Copperfield promo gone awry?
No. I've mindfreaked the World. I AM the greatest illusionist!!!
Posted by: Criss Angel at March 17, 2014 08:41 AM (BAS5M)
Posted by: JackStraw at March 17, 2014 08:42 AM (g1DWB)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 17, 2014 08:42 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: willow at March 17, 2014 08:42 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Justamom at March 17, 2014 08:42 AM (Sptt8)
Posted by: Misanthopic Humanitarian at March 17, 2014 08:43 AM (HVff2)
Posted by: rickb223 at March 17, 2014 08:43 AM (AIVaq)
Posted by: General Buck Turgidson at March 17, 2014 08:43 AM (Q6pxP)
Hah! I'm safe then..... now... IL2? Ruh roh....
But then the pilot only did half a Boom and Zoom.... so...Posted by: Romeo13 at March 17, 2014 08:43 AM (84gbM)
Kinda odd.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 17, 2014 12:42 PM (g1DWB)
Wouldn't that be a day of jubilation. Unless she took the kids with her.
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at March 17, 2014 08:44 AM (WdbF7)
Posted by: USAF Veteran at March 17, 2014 08:44 AM (95xxa)
Posted by: Neville Chamberlain at March 17, 2014 08:44 AM (aDwsi)
It is about what he used it for- not the fact he had it.
If he's practicing unconventional landings that is a "clue".
But I am guessing this dick covered his tracks.
Posted by: Marcus T. at March 17, 2014 08:45 AM (GGCsk)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 17, 2014 08:45 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Bullright at March 17, 2014 08:45 AM (mJFBz)
Posted by: thunderb at March 17, 2014 08:45 AM (zOTsN)
This plane is being repainted as we speak in some abandoned hanger in a jihad-friendly country.
And the ascent up to 40,000 feet? I can't think of a better way to kill 200+ passengers neatly and quietly than asphyxiating them.
This was a well-planned hijacking. For those who can't think out of the crash box, might I remind each of you that the 9/11 scenario seemed impossible even as it was actually happening.
Posted by: Soona at March 17, 2014 08:46 AM (0IPQM)
Posted by: panzernashorn at March 17, 2014 08:46 AM (MhA4j)
Posted by: Zombie Alexander Haig at March 17, 2014 08:46 AM (JQuNB)
So this was the first time I've seen pictures of the capt's "simulator" at home. I was expecting a whole lot more. One can actually purchase panels with knobs and switches in the same layout as an actual cockpit and get close to what most people envision when they read simulator.
what he has is a gaming computer with a few hundred dollars of hardware. Calling it a simulator is like saying I have a tennis simulator because I have Wii Sports. (not to disparage the quality of some addons one can get for Microsoft flight simulator...apparently the button pushing side of things can be very accurate. I seem to recall some of the 9/11 hijackers having msfs with addons like this.)
of course, if he saved any "interesting routes" or anything like that its a different story...
Posted by: dudenolongerinsantacruz at March 17, 2014 08:47 AM (PGXA8)
Well it took about 75 years to find Amelia Earhardt. So there's hope.
She and her plane are not found yet. Maybe sometime in September if TIGHAR's expedition gets lucky.
Posted by: Count de Monet at March 17, 2014 08:47 AM (BAS5M)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at March 17, 2014 08:48 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Justamom at March 17, 2014 08:48 AM (Sptt8)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 17, 2014 08:48 AM (aDwsi)
Posted by: rickb223 at March 17, 2014 08:48 AM (Kvwla)
Posted by: Trimegistus at March 17, 2014 08:49 AM (wgOKn)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 17, 2014 08:49 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 17, 2014 08:49 AM (rDidD)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 17, 2014 08:49 AM (IXrOn)
Wouldn't the steward/stewardesses be awake? Would they alert people? Personally, I rather be cognizant and have the opportunity to make my peace and if possible to tell those I love that I love them one last time. Posted by: The Yellow Pug at March 17, 2014 08:49 AM (r7mtu)
Posted by: Jen at March 17, 2014 08:49 AM (JqB3t)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 17, 2014 08:49 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at March 17, 2014 08:50 AM (PMGbu)
Don't make me break out the Strongly Worded Letter!!
Posted by: King Barry the Tough at March 17, 2014 12:37 PM (aTXUx)
That would be kinda bossy.
Posted by: Insomniac at March 17, 2014 08:50 AM (DrWcr)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 17, 2014 08:51 AM (zfY+H)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 17, 2014 08:51 AM (0LHZx)
Posted by: just another dumdum with an opinion at March 17, 2014 08:51 AM (agLwc)
Posted by: Steve McCroskey at March 17, 2014 08:51 AM (aTXUx)
Posted by: Paladin at March 17, 2014 08:51 AM (LtaK3)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 17, 2014 08:51 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 17, 2014 08:51 AM (IXrOn)
Oh Goody!!!
Have bring back my bag of alludium q-36 explosive space modulators I left there on my last trip.
Posted by: Marvin at March 17, 2014 08:52 AM (nkPV9)
Posted by: The NSA at March 17, 2014 08:52 AM (1xUj/)
I dunno. The victims at Auschwitz were killed by asphyxiation, and from what I've read, did not go quietly or peaceably once they knew what was happening.
Posted by: pep at March 17, 2014 08:52 AM (4nR9/)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 17, 2014 08:52 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 17, 2014 08:52 AM (rDidD)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 17, 2014 08:52 AM (ZPrif)
This was a well-planned hijacking. For those who can't think out of the crash box, might I remind each of you that the 9/11 scenario seemed impossible even as it was actually happening.
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That scenario was pretty simple. This one, of stealing a plane, getting rid of 200+ passengers, converting plane, and using plane again is quite a bit more complicated. Essentially, it is like stealing a rare car, and then planning to use the car in another crime. Not only have you doubled your chances for failure, everybody is looking for you before you start your second mission.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 17, 2014 08:53 AM (0Jb7F)
Posted by: Trimegistus at March 17, 2014 08:53 AM (wgOKn)
Posted by: Lincolntf at March 17, 2014 08:53 AM (ZshNr)
She and her plane are not found yet. Maybe sometime in September if TIGHAR's expedition gets lucky.
Posted by: Count de Monet at March 17, 2014 12:47 PM (BAS5M)"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAvtHMJS1O8
Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at March 17, 2014 08:53 AM (PD6iL)
Posted by: Lauren at March 17, 2014 08:54 AM (hFL/3)
Posted by: NJ FAT Man at March 17, 2014 08:54 AM (MhA4j)
Posted by: Justamom at March 17, 2014 08:54 AM (Sptt8)
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at March 17, 2014 08:54 AM (PMGbu)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 17, 2014 08:55 AM (7ObY1)
I still think that's the most likely motive, or perhaps the second most likely aside from generic Islamic terror. Posted by: Lauren at March
So hijacking a civilian airliner and doing who-knows-what is going to yield positive results???
Posted by: SFGoth at March 17, 2014 08:55 AM (/lQfH)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at March 17, 2014 08:55 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 17, 2014 08:55 AM (rDidD)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 17, 2014 12:49 PM (ZPrif)
Only if those asking are Republicans
Posted by: kbdabear at March 17, 2014 08:55 AM (aTXUx)
Posted by: D-Lamp at March 17, 2014 08:56 AM (bb5+k)
Posted by: NJ FAT Man at March 17, 2014 08:57 AM (MhA4j)
Posted by: Lauren at March 17, 2014 08:57 AM (hFL/3)
Michael Hutchence, the late lead singer of INXS. Posted by: Citizen X at March 17, 2014 12:55 PM
It's a little overrated
Posted by: David Carradine at March 17, 2014 08:57 AM (aTXUx)
Posted by: USAF Veteran at March 17, 2014 08:57 AM (95xxa)
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent
Why? Both involve cutting off oxygen. Sincere question.
Posted by: pep at March 17, 2014 08:58 AM (4nR9/)
Posted by: Brother Cavil at March 17, 2014 08:58 AM (naUcP)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 17, 2014 08:58 AM (rDidD)
Find the biggest, badest loan shark, and gett all the money you can from him. Blow it all in Vegas. When he come for the vig, tell him to GFH and use the "N" word. He pops a cap in your ass. Insurance pays off, he enhances his rep, you b dead. Win Win Win...not that I've thought a lot about this kind of thing.
Posted by: Paladin at March 17, 2014 08:58 AM (LtaK3)
Posted by: Ahmed the Stinky at March 17, 2014 08:59 AM (JQuNB)
Feeding and guarding 230 people for a week before making demands? I don't think so
Posted by: kbdabear at March 17, 2014 08:59 AM (aTXUx)
Posted by: Hrothgar at March 17, 2014 09:00 AM (o3MSL)
Could be worse. He could be a Dem and send you a strongly worded letter.
Posted by: pep at March 17, 2014 09:00 AM (4nR9/)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 17, 2014 09:00 AM (rDidD)
Posted by: Lauren at March 17, 2014 09:00 AM (hFL/3)
Posted by: rickb223 at March 17, 2014 09:00 AM (gPpq1)
With hypoxia, you are breathing, but not getting enough oxygen, and you slowly lose consciousness. Asphyxiation, you are trying to get a breath, and cannot.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 17, 2014 09:00 AM (0Jb7F)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 17, 2014 09:01 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: ontherocks at March 17, 2014 09:01 AM (bbIqb)
Posted by: Trimegistus at March 17, 2014 12:49 PM (wgOKn)
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Oh. You mean like those goat-fucking, cave-dwelling retards that brought the two tallest buildings in the US down?
Posted by: Soona at March 17, 2014 09:02 AM (0IPQM)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 17, 2014 12:53 PM (0Jb7F)"
Well, after you load it up with a nuke, dirty bomb or whatever plus maybe a big blivet full of fuel to give you thousands of miles of extra range, you pick another 777 that you are going to mimic. If it belongs to somebody other than Malasian airlines, you duplicate the paint job. You also paint tail numbers on it to match the other plane and set the transponder to match as well. Put some hijackers on the other plane to turn off the transponder and crash it in the middle of the ocean. Then this 777 which has been flying silent turns on its transponder which matches the now crashed plane and flies the rest of the way on in to LAX or O'Hare.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at March 17, 2014 09:02 AM (PD6iL)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 17, 2014 09:03 AM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Trimegistus at March 17, 2014 09:03 AM (wgOKn)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 17, 2014 09:03 AM (da5Wo)
Reminds me of the old joke:
When I go, I want to die like my grandfather: in charge, peacefully and in my sleep -- not like the screaming passengers with him in his car.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] at March 17, 2014 09:03 AM (HsTG8)
Posted by: thunderb at March 17, 2014 09:03 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Brian Ross at March 17, 2014 09:03 AM (aTXUx)
Posted by: Barack Obama at March 17, 2014 09:04 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: thunderb at March 17, 2014 09:04 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 17, 2014 09:05 AM (rDidD)
Posted by: Rosie O'Donnell at March 17, 2014 09:05 AM (Aif/5)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 17, 2014 09:06 AM (0Jb7F)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 17, 2014 01:00 PM (0Jb7F)
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At 40,000 feet, start depressurizing the cabin. Pull the breaker for the emergency oxygen drop-down. Everyone just goes to sleep....then they die. No fuss, no muss.
Posted by: Soona at March 17, 2014 09:06 AM (0IPQM)
Only 2 or 3 bodies to get rid of, and a lot of reconfiguration work is eliminated such as removing seats and such
Posted by: kbdabear at March 17, 2014 09:06 AM (aTXUx)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 17, 2014 09:07 AM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Bane at March 17, 2014 09:07 AM (WdbF7)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 17, 2014 09:07 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: panzernashorn at March 17, 2014 09:07 AM (MhA4j)
With hypoxia, you are breathing, but not getting enough oxygen, and you slowly lose consciousness. Asphyxiation, you are trying to get a breath, and cannot.
That's the problem. You would notice the lack of air, and become concerned about it. Everyone noticing together would lead to some rather vigorous consternation. The notion that everyone would simply drift off seems pretty unlikely.
Posted by: pep at March 17, 2014 09:07 AM (4nR9/)
A friend use to brag that his elderly relatives died falling alseep while driving. I said, no, that's called having a cerebral stroke. Posted by: The Yellow Pug at March 17, 2014 09:07 AM (r7mtu)
If someone is going to steal a plane to use as a missile, why hijack a passenger 777 when you can jack a freight version?
Only 2 or 3 bodies to get rid of, and a lot of reconfiguration work is eliminated such as removing seats and such
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Exactly, and less security as well.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 17, 2014 09:08 AM (0Jb7F)
Some people have devised some methods to deprive the brain of oxygen because they find it so pleasurable.
Michael Hutchence, the late lead singer of INXS.
Posted by: Citizen X at March 17, 2014 12:55 PM
It's a little overrated
Posted by: David Carradine at March 17, 2014 12:57 PM (aTXUx)"
So what you are saying is that if you are on an airplane on which the pilot is trying to kill all the passengers by flying way above the normal ceiling, the appropriate response is to start fapping?
That is what I love about this site. Always news you can use.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at March 17, 2014 09:08 AM (PD6iL)
Posted by: Brother Cavil at March 17, 2014 09:08 AM (naUcP)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit at March 17, 2014 12:06 PM (4df7R)
If I were a stewardess, I would probably have one, just in case. A little extra knowledge doesn't hurt.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette
If I were a Stewardess, I'd never leave the house.
Posted by: dirks strewn at March 17, 2014 09:08 AM (kfcYC)
Posted by: thunderb at March 17, 2014 09:08 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: panzernashorn at March 17, 2014 09:09 AM (MhA4j)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 17, 2014 09:10 AM (DmNpO)
Posted by: t-bird at March 17, 2014 09:10 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: Chicago Vota at March 17, 2014 09:10 AM (3T0tP)
knowledge doesn't hurt.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette
Yeah, but they aren't cheap. A real simulator is quite sizeable and expensive.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 17, 2014 09:10 AM (4df7R)
126 A guy I work with thinks that all the Countries looking for this stupid plane, know where it is, and knew all along, but don't want to give up their surveillance capabilities in the process so it's a waiting game.
Posted by: jaimo at March 17, 2014 12:28 PM (9U1OG)
I can see that for the first couple of days of the SAR, but by now you'd figure there would be enough plausible deniability for the country that knows to announce they "found" the plane.
Posted by: MacGruber at March 17, 2014 09:10 AM (A9zaA)
They lost a fucking 777!! After 9/11 can someone please tell me why it is possible to allow someone to turn off ALL COMMUNICATION DEVICES, locators, etc.
Shouldn't we have some of that shit located outside on the plane, so nobody can fuck with it??!!
We are led by the very best...
Posted by: prescient11 at March 17, 2014 09:10 AM (tVTLU)
Posted by: Bane
Speaking of nuclear scientists with things that defy the laws of physics.
Posted by: Christmas Jones, aka Denise Richards at March 17, 2014 09:10 AM (4nR9/)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 17, 2014 09:10 AM (rDidD)
Posted by: Trimegistus at March 17, 2014 01:03 PM (wgOKn)
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You'd make a lousy Sherlock Holmes. The evidence, AND lack of evidence are pointing to a conclusion other than yours.
Posted by: Soona at March 17, 2014 09:10 AM (0IPQM)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at March 17, 2014 09:12 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 17, 2014 09:13 AM (rDidD)
Posted by: panzernashorn at March 17, 2014 01:09 PM (MhA4j)
sarcasm. I dont believe any of the conspiracy stuff, I already said. The dude on the oil rig saw a plane on fire, thats the best evidene we have.
All this ACARS stuff is wothless. One of the points 9/11 truthers made was that ACARS kept transmitting after the planes crashed.
Posted by: disgusting oratory at March 17, 2014 09:13 AM (qPxLX)
What the hell am I saying, it's the Horde, of course the fapping is congruent with the wolves.
I don't even want to consider the implications of a three-wolf moon.
Posted by: pep at March 17, 2014 09:14 AM (4nR9/)
Posted by: mrp at March 17, 2014 09:14 AM (JBggj)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 17, 2014 09:14 AM (DmNpO)
Posted by: JackStraw at March 17, 2014 09:14 AM (g1DWB)
Posted by: Concerned in Seattle at March 17, 2014 09:14 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Brother Cavil at March 17, 2014 09:14 AM (naUcP)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at March 17, 2014 09:14 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: USAF Veteran at March 17, 2014 09:15 AM (95xxa)
like dorking with the avionics via computer?
not to fly it and land it per se but enough to steer it away from population centers?
that's an interesting theory. it was hijacked, some government intercepted it and crashed it to prevent another 911. and now they have to construct a story rather than admit they can do such a thing, and killed a bunch of civilians
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Exactly. Because if I were Malaysia and had taken control, I would have routed it exactly how it apparently went.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 17, 2014 09:15 AM (0Jb7F)
I spent 10 days in the Himalayas once. The pounding headache wasn't that pleasurable.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 17, 2014 09:15 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Czar Peter at March 17, 2014 09:15 AM (n8vNn)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 17, 2014 09:16 AM (IXrOn)
Wondering if it would be possible to input radar beacons(or whatever), into a flight sim? Would they already be there? I haven't even looked at a flight simulator since the MS FS from the 90's....
My tin foil hat theory:
The pilot went rogue, he simulated the hijacking at home. When he went off course, the Malaysian military(or another country) shot the plane down. False flags and misdirection are being used to run out the clock until they can be sure that all of the wreckage has dissipated.....
Posted by: wytshus at March 17, 2014 09:16 AM (DErq5)
Posted by: thunderb at March 17, 2014 09:16 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Mark at March 17, 2014 09:17 AM (+6yg3)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at March 17, 2014 09:17 AM (APuJ7)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 17, 2014 09:17 AM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Captain Obvious at March 17, 2014 09:17 AM (LHNU4)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 17, 2014 09:18 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 17, 2014 09:18 AM (SY2Kh)
If the AE35 unit is going to go 100 percent failure within 72 hours, you have no choice but to go outside and get it.
Posted by: HAL 9000 at March 17, 2014 09:18 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 17, 2014 09:18 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: pep at March 17, 2014 01:07 PM (4nR9/)
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But by the time you realize it and get up to do something about it, you're gone. At that altitude, once a person even trained in this type of thing, would know what was happening, there wouldn't be enough time to even grab a cell-phone and dial it.
Posted by: Soona at March 17, 2014 09:18 AM (0IPQM)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 17, 2014 09:18 AM (aDwsi)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 17, 2014 09:19 AM (rDidD)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 17, 2014 09:19 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: soothsayer at March 17, 2014 09:19 AM (xSfiX)
Posted by: Brother Cavil at March 17, 2014 09:19 AM (naUcP)
Posted by: Fapping with Wolves at March 17, 2014 09:20 AM (1xUj/)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 17, 2014 09:20 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 17, 2014 09:20 AM (7ObY1)
Stewardesses aren't cheap either. They actually expect to be taken out to dinner.
Posted by: Chicago Vota at March 17, 2014 09:20 AM (3T0tP)
Posted by: thunderb at March 17, 2014 09:20 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at March 17, 2014 09:20 AM (R5UOB)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit at March 17, 2014 01:10 PM (4df7R)"
There is quite a range of equipment that can be called a flight simulator. At the low end you have an Apple II runing the flight simulator program. At the high end a complete full motion cockpit simulator that you are not going to touch for less than $10,000,000. I am guessing that the pilot owned something closer to the low end like a PC with flight simulator software and some controls. Something like that is not more than a couple of thousand dollars.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at March 17, 2014 09:20 AM (PD6iL)
He didn't have a "real" simulator. He had a computer with three monitors, a yoke, some sim software, etc. This is in a picture from an above link.
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at March 17, 2014 09:21 AM (P7Wsr)
A planeload of innocent passengers makes a nice human shield on final approach. It makes those annoying fighter planes think twice before arming the AMRAAM.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 17, 2014 09:21 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: soothsayer at March 17, 2014 09:21 AM (xSfiX)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 17, 2014 09:21 AM (rDidD)
Just sayin'.
PS.: I'm in the southern arc camp. There are just too many hypersensitive military radars on the northern path.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 17, 2014 09:21 AM (k7N5n)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 17, 2014 09:21 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: The Yellow Pug at March 17, 2014 09:21 AM (r7mtu)
Posted by: mrp at March 17, 2014 09:21 AM (JBggj)
Posted by: soothsayer at March 17, 2014 09:22 AM (xSfiX)
A planeload of innocent passengers makes a nice human shield on final approach. It makes those annoying fighter planes think twice before arming the AMRAAM.
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Not anymore. SOP on a suicide plane over a city is to shoot.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 17, 2014 09:22 AM (0Jb7F)
Plenty of ground crew loading it who could stowaway. I don't know that they do a headcount to make sure the angry guy with the long beard who takes a lot of prayer breaks didn't doze off in the cargo hold
A few tools "left" in the hold could solve any access issues as well as incapacitate the pilot or convince him to change his flight plan
Posted by: kbdabear at March 17, 2014 09:22 AM (aTXUx)
Posted by: The Yellow Pug at March 17, 2014 09:22 AM (r7mtu)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 17, 2014 09:22 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: thunderb at March 17, 2014 09:22 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Lauren at March 17, 2014 09:22 AM (hFL/3)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 17, 2014 09:23 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 17, 2014 09:23 AM (rDidD)
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When Putin orders a pizza it will be 30 minutes or more.
Posted by: WalrusRex at March 17, 2014 09:23 AM (XUKZU)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 17, 2014 09:23 AM (t3UFN)
Hmmmm. All 200-odd passengers realize it simultaneously and before they can raise an alarm, all fall asleep? Again, seems unlikely.
Posted by: pep at March 17, 2014 09:23 AM (4nR9/)
China kills their own civilians every day. Killing other nations' civilians--20 Freescale employees--would be the sticky wicket.
OT, anyone listening to Rush? Is he talking about Jim Irsay's substance abuse/arrest? Just kind of curious, since Irsay was one of the leaders who kept him from buying into the Rams.
Posted by: HR at March 17, 2014 09:24 AM (ZKzrr)
I mean, it happens so often, the Shit Midas title isn't even a joke.
Posted by: RoyalOil at March 17, 2014 09:24 AM (VjL9S)
Posted by: thunderb at March 17, 2014 09:24 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 17, 2014 09:24 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: disgusting oratory at March 17, 2014 09:25 AM (qPxLX)
Maybe the plane melted in the global warming hiding out down there. O_o
Posted by: HR at March 17, 2014 09:25 AM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 17, 2014 09:25 AM (k7N5n)
Posted by: phreshone at March 17, 2014 09:25 AM (Q6pxP)
Posted by: Country Singer at March 17, 2014 09:25 AM (L8r/r)
Hmmmm. All 200-odd passengers realize it simultaneously and before they can raise an alarm, all fall asleep? Again, seems unlikely.
Posted by: pep at March 17, 2014 01:23 PM (4nR9/)
Depending on the altitude, hypoxia can set in within seconds.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 17, 2014 09:25 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: thunderb at March 17, 2014 09:25 AM (zOTsN)
bass line
*Relax , don't do it.*
Posted by: Frankie Goes to Hollywood at March 17, 2014 09:26 AM (5ikDv)
Posted by: Moochelle Antoinette at March 17, 2014 09:26 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Lauren at March 17, 2014 09:26 AM (hFL/3)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at March 17, 2014 09:26 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: mrp at March 17, 2014 09:26 AM (JBggj)
Posted by: rickb223 at March 17, 2014 09:26 AM (OVKR1)
There are several important pieces.
1. Pilots
2. Capabilities of the plane
3. Passengers (someone worth this trouble to kidnap, or disappear?)
4. Cargo
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at March 17, 2014 09:26 AM (P7Wsr)
of hours flying planes. He's got a nice flight simulator setup at home.<<
Clear terrorist threat
Posted by: J Napolitano at March 17, 2014 09:27 AM (hO9ad)
Posted by: Lauren at March 17, 2014 09:27 AM (hFL/3)
Those radars would not rely solely on transponder returns.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 17, 2014 09:27 AM (k7N5n)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 17, 2014 09:27 AM (ZPrif)
But there were US citizens on the plane. Canadian, German, French, Australian...
Posted by: HR at March 17, 2014 09:27 AM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at March 17, 2014 09:27 AM (APuJ7)
Eh, I don't buy that. We're talking about a 777. That much wreckage would be noticed by now, especially since the whole world is looking. Posted by: Lauren at March 17, 2014 01:26 PM
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Neither do I. It's kind of late in the day for the big and deep argument.
Posted by: mrp at March 17, 2014 09:28 AM (JBggj)
Posted by: Lincolntf at March 17, 2014 09:28 AM (ZshNr)
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at March 17, 2014 09:28 AM (PMGbu)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 17, 2014 09:28 AM (k7N5n)
But, you know who actually was their last drummer? Stewart Copeland. He married Curved Air's singer, Sonja Kristina, then he joined The Police.
Posted by: Moochelle Antoinette at March 17, 2014 09:28 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 17, 2014 09:28 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at March 17, 2014 09:29 AM (Dwehj)
Posted by: soothsayer at March 17, 2014 09:29 AM (xSfiX)
Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at March 17, 2014 09:29 AM (tv7DV)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 17, 2014 09:29 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 17, 2014 09:29 AM (8ZskC)
He didn't have a "real" simulator. He had a computer with three monitors, a yoke, some sim software, etc. This is in a picture from an above link.
It does make me wonder, then, how much real benefit an actual pilot with thousands of hours of flight experience could gain from a primitive setup like that. More likely he used it to memorize a specific route to the last detail.
air force puts pilots through it and has then try to perform simple tasks like writing something down
they don't know its happening, they become confused, they pass out
Interesting. I defer to your greater knowledge.
Posted by: pep at March 17, 2014 09:29 AM (4nR9/)
No wonder it's such a shithole.
Posted by: HR at March 17, 2014 09:29 AM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at March 17, 2014 09:29 AM (APuJ7)
Posted by: Chief Charles Moose at March 17, 2014 09:29 AM (aTXUx)
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at March 17, 2014 09:30 AM (R5UOB)
Posted by: Yes it sucks at March 17, 2014 09:30 AM (Vf2XA)
Posted by: soothsayer at March 17, 2014 09:30 AM (xSfiX)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at March 17, 2014 09:30 AM (APuJ7)
Posted by: Moochelle Antoinette at March 17, 2014 09:30 AM (7ObY1)
I will just watch Israels reaction as this continues on. The Israelis have crack investigation and surveillance capabilities and they seem to be very nervous right now.
Posted by: Cheri at March 17, 2014 09:31 AM (VDGzf)
Posted by: Count de Monet at March 17, 2014 09:31 AM (BAS5M)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 17, 2014 09:32 AM (0Jb7F)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 17, 2014 01:28 PM
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With respect, that wasn't my question. I just wanted to know when the last passenger cell phone/text message was transmitted or received. And aren't modern airliners equipped with satellite capability for cellphone/wifi passenger communication? I don't know.
Posted by: mrp at March 17, 2014 09:32 AM (JBggj)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 17, 2014 09:32 AM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at March 17, 2014 09:32 AM (APuJ7)
Posted by: garrett at March 17, 2014 09:33 AM (zB2AS)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 17, 2014 09:33 AM (t3UFN)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at March 17, 2014 09:33 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: naturalfake at March 17, 2014 09:33 AM (0cMkb)
Posted by: rickb223 at March 17, 2014 09:33 AM (OVKR1)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at March 17, 2014 09:33 AM (32Ze2)
Posted by: mrp at March 17, 2014 01:21 PM (JBggj)
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That's my take. It's much harder to find a hijacked airliner in a hanger than it is to see a debris field. If the plane had gone down, someone would have seen something by now. There's a lot that goes into a jet like this, not even counting all the luggage and freight that they carry that could float almost indefinitely.
And I imagine every eye is peeled right now by pilots flying over these areas, tanker captains and crews, and authorities along the coastlines, for any signs of this airplane.
Posted by: Soona at March 17, 2014 09:33 AM (0IPQM)
So...... a Brit named Dick Quest was trolling for some crank and got busted.
o_0 <---- shocked face.
Posted by: fixerupper at March 17, 2014 09:33 AM (nELVU)
Posted by: LAPD at March 17, 2014 09:33 AM (tv7DV)
A transponder code can be changed but an IFR flight can't just appear out of nowhere. It would have to be handed off from departure control to an air route traffic control center to approach control so its monitored for the entire trip.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 17, 2014 09:33 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: JackStraw at March 17, 2014 09:33 AM (g1DWB)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at March 17, 2014 09:34 AM (APuJ7)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 17, 2014 09:34 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Count de Monet at March 17, 2014 09:34 AM (BAS5M)
They could just look in their rearview mirrors.
Posted by: Joey Airplane Biden at March 17, 2014 09:34 AM (aTXUx)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at March 17, 2014 09:35 AM (APuJ7)
Posted by: Nervous Nellie at March 17, 2014 09:35 AM (R5UOB)
Posted by: thunderb at March 17, 2014 09:35 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: jwest at March 17, 2014 09:36 AM (u2a4R)
A 777 full of whatever, though? That's a little harder to deal with if they manage to get into Israeli airspace.
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It shouldn't be. Much larger than a missle, and max speed of about 700
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 17, 2014 09:36 AM (0Jb7F)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at March 17, 2014 09:36 AM (32Ze2)
So much for "Mr. Live Aid" being a nice guy.
I don't know if Geldolf had anything against Carradine, but I suspect so.
Posted by: Trig the Truther at March 17, 2014 09:36 AM (YmPwQ)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at March 17, 2014 09:36 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Joey Airplane Biden at March 17, 2014 01:34 PM (aTXUx)
When did Crazy Ivans go out of style?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 17, 2014 09:36 AM (8ZskC)
And I would buy that, except for all the other "coincidences".
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 17, 2014 09:36 AM (k7N5n)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 17, 2014 09:37 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Lauren at March 17, 2014 09:37 AM (hFL/3)
Posted by: LAPD
That's smart. We'll burn down the Reichstag just in case it's in there.
Posted by: The SA at March 17, 2014 09:37 AM (4nR9/)
Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at March 17, 2014 09:37 AM (Dwehj)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 17, 2014 09:38 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: thunderb at March 17, 2014 09:38 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Reverse Midas Obama at March 17, 2014 09:38 AM (Q6pxP)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 17, 2014 09:38 AM (t3UFN)
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at March 17, 2014 09:39 AM (PMGbu)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 17, 2014 09:39 AM (rDidD)
Posted by: rickl at March 17, 2014 09:39 AM (zoehZ)
Posted by: Mama AJ at March 17, 2014 09:39 AM (SUKHu)
Posted by: Barky O'Genius at March 17, 2014 09:39 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: rickb223 at March 17, 2014 09:39 AM (x5fE/)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at March 17, 2014 09:39 AM (VtjlW)
When the Kidd went west, that meant something.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 17, 2014 09:39 AM (k7N5n)
depressurization and everybody was killed by hypoxia including the
pilots.
And I would buy that, except for all the other "coincidences".
And who said "good night", and who turned off various transponders?
Posted by: pep at March 17, 2014 09:39 AM (4nR9/)
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at March 17, 2014 09:39 AM (R5UOB)
I surrender. You guys know more about this topic than I do.
Does that mean I have to surrender my man card, or worse, can't post here anymore?
Posted by: pep at March 17, 2014 09:40 AM (4nR9/)
Posted by: Ed McMahon at March 17, 2014 09:41 AM (R5UOB)
It's OK though, the situation has everyone feeling jumpy and hyper-alert. We judge this a good shoot.
--Crack LA police oversight team
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at March 17, 2014 09:41 AM (P7Wsr)
SE Asia is swarming with air traffic, and hours and hours of looking at routine radar traffic, I'd imagine that something REALLY has to grab their attention for them to call a superior to their console
Civilian ATCC in busy corridors, you're just watching all the blips to make sure none of them get too close to each other, and a transponder code missing might take a few sweeps before they get curious and attempt to contact the plane
Posted by: kbdabear at March 17, 2014 09:41 AM (aTXUx)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 17, 2014 01:32 PM (aDwsi)
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His name isn't Joe Biden, is it? That would explain a lot.
It means nothing. Biden has never made it past 93.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 17, 2014 09:41 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Preznit Urkel X at March 17, 2014 09:41 AM (32Ze2)
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at March 17, 2014 09:42 AM (PMGbu)
There is nothing drabber than St Paddy's in Kuala Lumpur. You can't even get a decent Yuengling's.
Ex-FBI, ex-air marshall on Fox just suggested that since MalaysianAir doesn't even prohibit smoking, why anything could happen on board an airplane, which is after all a bomb waiting to be lit.
Would you like to see the total stats on how many passenger aircraft ever crashed due to smoking? Actually, seems like a lot of this shit never happened when there was smoking on airliners. And, stewardesses instead of flight attendants.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 17, 2014 09:42 AM (xq1UY)
Posted by: Barky O'Genius at March 17, 2014 01:39 PM (8ZskC)
And they will only get Dolby Digital 4.1 sound instead of 5.1.
Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at March 17, 2014 09:42 AM (tv7DV)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 17, 2014 09:42 AM (rDidD)
Posted by: mrp at March 17, 2014 01:28 PM (JBggj)
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It's what makes me afraid. A lot of people who can't think out-of-the-box. It's the exact mind-set that gave us 9/11.
Posted by: Soona at March 17, 2014 09:42 AM (0IPQM)
Proof: The way the leftists are all going on about it.
It's a Shit Midas movement lead by their King Shit Midas.
Posted by: RoyalOil at March 17, 2014 09:43 AM (VjL9S)
Posted by: Yes it sucks at March 17, 2014 09:43 AM (Vf2XA)
Posted by: Muad'dib at March 17, 2014 09:43 AM (sjdRT)
Unless they are here illegally, then they get to use food stamps.
Posted by: Hrothgar at March 17, 2014 09:43 AM (o3MSL)
Posted by: Concerned in Seattle at March 17, 2014 09:44 AM (ZPrif)
LINK: http://preview.tinyurl.com/pxadjst
Excerpt from official website:
Communications and connectivity
Your in-flight entertainment controller doubles as an air-to-ground phone. Make calls or send text messages to anywhere using your credit card. You can also call your friends on the same flight
Posted by: mrp at March 17, 2014 09:44 AM (JBggj)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 17, 2014 09:44 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: ronnie the malaysian pilot at March 17, 2014 09:44 AM (hn5v5)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 17, 2014 09:44 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: steevy at March 17, 2014 09:45 AM (zqvg6)
Posted by: Barky O'Bamastain at March 17, 2014 09:45 AM (Q6pxP)
Yeah, stuff like that is why I admire our astronauts. They hear the briefings where someone says to them, "and that's when your blood literally starts to boil" and they don't run away screaming.
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at March 17, 2014 09:45 AM (P7Wsr)
Posted by: JackStraw at March 17, 2014 09:45 AM (g1DWB)
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at March 17, 2014 09:46 AM (R5UOB)
Posted by: anon a mouse at March 17, 2014 09:46 AM (gXRIG)
Posted by: Ugg Boots at March 17, 2014 01:42 PM (oGrEy)
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There would still be a lot of debris floating on the ocean. Not everyone works for the Malay government, or any government that's involved in this search. News would have gotten out.
Some say the ocean is deep and big. So is the internet.
Posted by: Soona at March 17, 2014 09:46 AM (0IPQM)
Excellent analysis at Bare Naked Islam website. You should read it.
So, who is Malaysian opposition leader, Anwar Ibrahim, for whom missing Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 pilot was such a ‘fanatical supporter?’
http://tinyurl.com/owbj66q
Posted by: LittleRedHen111 at March 17, 2014 09:47 AM (O5IQS)
Posted by: President Barack Obama at March 17, 2014 09:47 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 17, 2014 09:47 AM (rDidD)
Posted by: steevy at March 17, 2014 09:47 AM (zqvg6)
Putin focused on taking Crimea and maybe eastern Ukraine, plus maybe some other places.
Obama focused on NCAA brackets.
Posted by: lib-free or die at March 17, 2014 09:47 AM (yhJhK)
Posted by: Slow Uncle Joe Biden at March 17, 2014 09:47 AM (Dwehj)
No. But--while I would agree that we probably have some AWACS on the western side of the IO watching the Arabian Sea and the Strait of Hormuz, I do not agree that we would have had something in the Bay of Bengal.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 17, 2014 09:48 AM (k7N5n)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 17, 2014 09:48 AM (t3UFN)
Effective immediately, all Hanes underwear products exported to Russia MUST HAVE the sewn-in tags. Tagless products are banned for Russia.
Make the bastards itch and get scratched!
Posted by: Barack Obama at March 17, 2014 09:48 AM (BAS5M)
Posted by: lib-free or die at March 17, 2014 01:47 PM (yhJhK)
Criticize if you must, but the man has PRIORITIES!
Posted by: Hrothgar at March 17, 2014 09:49 AM (o3MSL)
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at March 17, 2014 09:49 AM (GjPnA)
Posted by: Yes it sucks at March 17, 2014 09:50 AM (Vf2XA)
Posted by: thunderb at March 17, 2014 09:50 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: steevy at March 17, 2014 01:45 PM (zqvg6)
I saw a bit of last night's ep, and it was talking about evolution and how it's established fact. Not sure if this is what RO was getting at.
Posted by: EC at March 17, 2014 09:50 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 17, 2014 09:50 AM (IXrOn)
Joined NFCU right there in the little one person office.
Got the BIOT lecture about not having sex with the wildlife as well.
This was before they went co-ed.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 17, 2014 09:51 AM (si68n)
Posted by: Concerned in Seattle at March 17, 2014 09:51 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Barky O'Genius at March 17, 2014 09:51 AM (8ZskC)
Researchers believe they have found the signal left in the sky by the super-rapid expansion of space that must have occurred just fractions of a second after everything came into being.
It takes the form of a distinctive twist in the oldest light detectable with telescopes.
Posted by: BICEP2 at March 17, 2014 09:52 AM (e8kgV)
Tree of life, etc., etc.
Much like the Big Bang--where did the life come from, geniuses?
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 17, 2014 09:52 AM (k7N5n)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 17, 2014 09:52 AM (IXrOn)
Um, what kind of wildlife do they have?
I'm asking for a friend.
Posted by: Andrew Mendoza and His Bucket at March 17, 2014 09:53 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 17, 2014 09:53 AM (0Jb7F)
Posted by: Yes it sucks at March 17, 2014 09:53 AM (Vf2XA)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 17, 2014 09:53 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 17, 2014 09:54 AM (rDidD)
Posted by: mrp at March 17, 2014 09:54 AM (JBggj)
Maybe this was from the terrorist/rogue government's perspective, a crime of opportunity-they had this disillusioned pilot dropped in their lap and this was the plane he's flying.
It would mean some of the background on him is bullshit/overblown, but those reports are coming from state-run media run by the state that just jailed their main opposition leader on (possibly fabricated) sodomy charges, you might want to take a grain of salt with all of that.
Also regarding the pasengers putting up a fight when they noticed there was little air-remember that this was 1am local time. Most of the passengers were probably already asleep when the flight's diversion began.
Posted by: Methos at March 17, 2014 09:54 AM (hO9ad)
The plane was hijacked to be used in a blackmail scheme.
The scheme is to threaten China with a nuke attack, unless China calls in enough of the USA's debt to bankrupt the USA and send the world financial markets into turmoil.
Dude.
Posted by: Ian Fleming at March 17, 2014 09:55 AM (4nR9/)
Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at March 17, 2014 09:55 AM (Dwehj)
Posted by: JackStraw at March 17, 2014 09:55 AM (g1DWB)
Posted by: Preznit Urkel X at March 17, 2014 09:55 AM (32Ze2)
Posted by: Brother Cavil at March 17, 2014 09:55 AM (naUcP)
Posted by: Count de Monet at March 17, 2014 09:56 AM (BAS5M)
Posted by: thunderb at March 17, 2014 09:56 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 17, 2014 09:56 AM (t3UFN)
Posted by: Art Griego at March 17, 2014 09:57 AM (OcRPH)
Posted by: [/i]KG at March 17, 2014 09:57 AM (p7BzH)
Posted by: jwest at March 17, 2014 09:57 AM (u2a4R)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 17, 2014 09:57 AM (0Jb7F)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at March 17, 2014 09:58 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 17, 2014 12:06 PM (7ObY1)
Late to the party, but no, apparently the jailed Ibrahim guy is the malaysian counterpart to the muslim brotherhood. It could be the sodomy charges are fake, but it could also be that Ibrahim is an islamist a-hole. Why, both could be true!
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 17, 2014 09:58 AM (FMV6J)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 17, 2014 09:58 AM (t3UFN)
Posted by: naturalfake at March 17, 2014 09:58 AM (0cMkb)
Posted by: pep at March 17, 2014 09:58 AM (4nR9/)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 17, 2014 09:58 AM (rDidD)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 17, 2014 09:59 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: ploome at March 17, 2014 01:58 PM (S/ToX)
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Fly Qantas..... definately...definately only Qantas.
Posted by: Rainman at March 17, 2014 09:59 AM (nELVU)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 17, 2014 01:59 PM (ZPrif)
That would be all Christianist and hatey.
Posted by: Insomniac at March 17, 2014 10:00 AM (DrWcr)
Posted by: --- at March 17, 2014 10:00 AM (MMC8r)
“like sending a cupcake to negotiate with a steak knife,”
... former U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. John Bolton said on Sunday.
Posted by: Hiliary "does it really matter" Clinton at March 17, 2014 10:01 AM (e8kgV)
Posted by: --- at March 17, 2014 02:00 PM (MMC8r)
Or in Giorgio Tsoulakos' hair.
Posted by: Insomniac at March 17, 2014 10:01 AM (DrWcr)
Yep, the number one and two most popular places to kill oneself are the Golden Gate Bridge, and Aokigahara a Japanese forest. Considering that there are easy, neat, and non-messy ways to assure one's death, why those places? In the first case you're falling to your death. Every person on the planet has an intense fear of falling. In the second case you're hiking into a forest reputed to be haunted by the angry spirits of former suicides and leaving your remains to be picked apart by animals and removed by the poor forestry people.
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at March 17, 2014 10:01 AM (P7Wsr)
Posted by: BArack Hussein Obama at March 17, 2014 10:01 AM (/076+)
Posted by: Spring Fever at March 17, 2014 10:01 AM (i7KmQ)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 17, 2014 10:01 AM (rDidD)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at March 17, 2014 10:01 AM (APuJ7)
Posted by: Count de Monet at March 17, 2014 10:01 AM (BAS5M)
Wow, that's a new one. Maybe he should have just gone on the intercom and threatened to "turn this thing around, right NOW".
Posted by: pep at March 17, 2014 10:02 AM (4nR9/)
Posted by: JackStraw at March 17, 2014 10:02 AM (g1DWB)
WHAT HAPPENED TO THE WOMAN IN SEAT 23F, YOU MONSTER?!?!?!?
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 17, 2014 10:02 AM (k7N5n)
Posted by: Barky O'Bamastain at March 17, 2014 01:45 PM (Q6pxP)
K chortu! Is act of war!
Posted by: Average Russian at March 17, 2014 10:02 AM (RD7QR)
And the towers in Kuala Lumpur have always been a target just like the World Trade Towers.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 17, 2014 01:55 PM (g1DWB)
Yeah, but then why not go for them right of the bat?
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If I had shot the plane down to prevent such an attack, I would have diverted the search and rescue 1000 miles to the northeast too.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 17, 2014 10:02 AM (0Jb7F)
Posted by: Rainman
Sorry, if they can't be bothered with the letter u, one wonders where else they cut corners.
Posted by: pep at March 17, 2014 10:03 AM (4nR9/)
Posted by: Gort at March 17, 2014 10:04 AM (e8kgV)
Posted by: Sum Ting Wong at March 17, 2014 10:04 AM (/076+)
Posted by: WalrusRex at March 17, 2014 10:04 AM (XUKZU)
Who are we to judge? Damned socons!!11!!
Posted by: Mr. Foo Foo at March 17, 2014 10:04 AM (Dwehj)
Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl Happy St. Patrick's Day at March 17, 2014 10:04 AM (u8GsB)
Posted by: disgusting oratory at March 17, 2014 10:04 AM (qPxLX)
Wasn't Tyson involved in re-classifying Pluto as a planetoid?
PLANET RIGHTS FOR PLUTO!!!!!
Posted by: EC at March 17, 2014 10:05 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at March 17, 2014 10:05 AM (32Ze2)
Posted by: George Costanza at March 17, 2014 10:05 AM (/076+)
Posted by: The Koalas at March 17, 2014 10:06 AM (0cMkb)
Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl Happy St. Patrick's Day at March 17, 2014 10:06 AM (u8GsB)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 17, 2014 10:06 AM (0Jb7F)
I have no idea if they do or not.
COULD they?
Sure.
And as a base designed to support C5's and B-52's, I'm guessing that the radar on the island is fairly adequate for tracking aircraft in the area.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 17, 2014 10:06 AM (si68n)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 17, 2014 10:07 AM (rDidD)
Posted by: Lincolntf at March 17, 2014 10:08 AM (ZshNr)
Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at March 17, 2014 10:08 AM (rXcBX)
Wow, really? Any particular route? I've only flown 40 times or so and have never seen anything like that.
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at March 17, 2014 10:08 AM (P7Wsr)
Posted by: Lauren at March 17, 2014 10:08 AM (hFL/3)
Posted by: jwest at March 17, 2014 10:08 AM (u2a4R)
PLANET RIGHTS FOR PLUTO!!!!!
Quit being such a whiner and do something dramatic as a big FU. Worked for me.
Posted by: Shoemaker-Levy 9 at March 17, 2014 10:08 AM (4nR9/)
Fly Qantas.
In 1st Class, you can eat all the eucalyptus leaves leaves you want.
For free!!!
Posted by: The Koalas at March 17, 2014 02:06 PM
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But are they fair trade eucalyptus leaves ?????
Posted by: Picky Pick Koalas at March 17, 2014 10:09 AM (JBggj)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 17, 2014 02:06 PM (0Jb7F)
"This is the captain speaking. We will be landing shortly. Please return your stewardess to the fully upright position."
Posted by: EC at March 17, 2014 10:09 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: treacheriousness at March 17, 2014 10:09 AM (XxCCS)
Posted by: db at March 17, 2014 10:09 AM (LHNU4)
Posted by: SFGoth at March 17, 2014 10:09 AM (/lQfH)
Best airline in the sky (although I haven't tried Emirates Airline yet, which I hear is good too).
--
Emirates is better, and nonstop IAH to Dubai and DFW to Dubai, eliminating the 4 hour layovers in Europe.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 17, 2014 10:10 AM (0Jb7F)
Posted by: Citizen X
The first thing is even if they wanted to sell off their treasuries all at once, it would bankrupt them.
Think just for a second; what happens to the price of a commodity if everybody sees you dumping them? The price dives faster than you can sell them. They would end up with a giant hole in their balance sheet.
And more importantly this hole would matter. Why? Because the reason they purchase our bonds is to offset the amount of exports sold every year and keep the yuan low. Dumping Treasuries all at once would fuck their economy over.
Video explanation: Khan academy: China buys US bonds
http://tinyurl.com/p3vxsen
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i][/b] at March 17, 2014 10:10 AM (ligos)
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Didn't see it last night, but from the chatter: Evolution.
No, not the real science part, the one where the theory has and is being refined as new evidence and observations are added.
The leftist version: Where everything is all figured out, every piece fits perfectly and you're a stupid Bible-thumper if you dare suggest otherwise.
Posted by: RoyalOil at March 17, 2014 10:11 AM (VjL9S)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 17, 2014 10:11 AM (0Jb7F)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 17, 2014 10:11 AM (rDidD)
Posted by: --- at March 17, 2014 10:12 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: JackStraw at March 17, 2014 10:12 AM (g1DWB)
Posted by: SFGoth at March 17, 2014 02:09 PM (/lQfH)"
Is that what would happen or would people dump other financial instruments in order to buy T-bills at bargain prices? Admittedly it would be disruptive of financial markets but I am not sure it would hurt the people that you would assume they were aiming at.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at March 17, 2014 10:13 AM (PD6iL)
I took off from Heathrow once and there was about a group of 20 or so stewardesses from Virgin all dressed in their red unis with red overcoats. Holy crap, they were all hawt as shit! I was stuck going back home on American.
Posted by: EC at March 17, 2014 10:14 AM (GQ8sn)
Yeah, pretty much all of the US airlines appear not to have hired a new stewardess in the last 50 years. The ones they have are usually bitter shrews who hate you because of their poor life choices.
Posted by: pep at March 17, 2014 10:16 AM (4nR9/)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 17, 2014 10:16 AM (rDidD)
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at March 17, 2014 10:17 AM (GjPnA)
Posted by: thunderb at March 17, 2014 10:17 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 17, 2014 10:18 AM (xq1UY)
Posted by: jwest at March 17, 2014 10:18 AM (u2a4R)
Posted by: Hupp at March 17, 2014 10:20 AM (w1kP9)
Calling in debt only works when the entity in debt answers to some authority.
What would China do if they called the debt and the U.S. said to fuck off. I'm certain there would be a strongly worded letter to the U.N., but beyond that, they're screwed.
Posted by: jwest at March 17, 2014 01:57 PM (u2a4R)
That's not the way it works. That situation would only be possible if the instrument in question was a demand note, which U.S. treasury notes are not. China's only option would be to sell their holdings, but that will not affect the amount of interest paid out by the U.S. Treasury. If China were to dump all of their treasury holdings all at once they would take a hit on the principal and the people who bought them would get an effectively higher rate because they bought them not at face value but rather at fire sale prices, but the rate paid by the U.S. Treasury would not change at all.
Posted by: CQD at March 17, 2014 10:21 AM (4iOIE)
Posted by: King Barry the Bracketeer at March 17, 2014 10:21 AM (aTXUx)
2) There were lithium batteries in the cargo.
The 777 does not use lithium-ion batteries. Only the 787 in the Boeing production system does. The 777 uses nickel-cadmium batteries. The 777X that is out in 2020 is expected to use aluminum-lithium batteries instead of lithium-ion also.
Posted by: Kaitian at March 17, 2014 10:24 AM (SowHM)
Posted by: kbdabear at March 17, 2014 10:28 AM (aTXUx)
You know, you'd think that would be the way it works, but the financial genius sector sure settles back into the Latin American bond market orbit with regularity.
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Thread Winner.
HOW DID I MISS THAT CLASSIC?
That may win AOSHQ forever and ever.
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Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 17, 2014 01:27 PM (ZPrif)
A lot would depend on the individual's level of fitness, and on how active they were at the time. Some people would remain conscious and able to act for much longer than the crowd, and others would pass out much sooner, especially if their heart and lungs were compromised by disease.
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Posted by: jwest at March 17, 2014 01:57 PM (u2a4R)
"Ummm...China? Look, read the fine print at the back of the bond. If you call it in early there's a penalty...of course that's standard, all of the grown-up countries have that same provision...no, I didn't mean you aren't a grown up...calm down, there's no need for that sort of language...."
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Posted by: Leland at March 17, 2014 11:27 AM (QB3JR)
Thanks Art. This was very funny in black humor sort of way. I would imagine being a commercial pilot these days is all kinds of stressful.
A lot of crazies fly these days sometime they are your traveling companions. Your mention unflushed airplane lav brought back a memory. I was on a flight from Frankfort to Mumbi. The bathrooms an hour into the flight were a mess. There was lines for all of the them. In our group we had our on lunatic who decided to add to the bathroom mayhem by practicing his saxophone in the bathroom. When people figured out what he was doing it unified Muslim, Hindi, Sikh and the Westerners on this flight in their desire to throw him out of the plane. I pretended not to know him for entire the flight.
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Posted by: Jplace at March 18, 2014 04:48 AM (//vD7)
I'm not certain how the oxygen masks deploy. Looking at the patents, I think the system is mostly a simple mechanism. I think they would deploy "automatically" by pressure deferrential, thus when the cabin pressure dropped, the door containing the masks would have a increased gradient (1 psi difference is big for a 6"x10" door) pushing the door open.
But whatever the mechanism, it's mostly beside the point. There is a manual means for opening the compartment (that little square can be pushed in, and then pull the door down). So a passenger could self deploy the oxygen. But even if they did, the oxygen supply is measured in minutes. This plane flew for hours. The purpose of the emergency oxygen system is to allow time for the pilot to get below 14,000 feet, where most people can breath normally. Stories differ on MH370: If the pilot (person at the controls) dropped altitude to avoid radar, then emergency oxygen wasn't necessary. If the pilot stayed at altitude, depressurized for say 30 minutes, then its not likely the emergency oxygen system was sufficient.
Also note, their are 2 ways of providing emergency oxygen. Compressed gas, which usually has a method to control within the cockpit, or chemical oxygen generator, which has a very limited duration of effectiveness.
Posted by: Leland at March 18, 2014 05:16 AM (QB3JR)
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