April 11, 2021

Gun Thread: Post-Blog Disaster Edition! [Weasel]
— Ace Open Blog



Green, GREEN...  A thousand times GREEN!!

Howdy Y'all, it's Sunday evening which can only mean it's time for the Post Blog Disaster Gun Thread! It's been a wacky week around here, that's for sure! Let's gather 'round in the rubble and begin our weekly discussion of the wonderful world of guns and shooting!

So the left has announced a bunch of new potential gun control measures. Surprise, surprise. We've known it was coming, and well, here it comes. Who knows what will be accomplished through legislation and what will be done through Executive Orders. Either way, it's going to be an infringement on our 2nd Amendment rights. What will be interesting is to see how many choose to ignore whatever comes along. Stay tuned. 

And on the subject of the 2nd Amendment, there was a very good post earlier today with a lot of great discussion on the NRA. Well worth reading if you missed it.

On to happier things. Spring time is here and with the temps warming up, conditions are becoming more favorable for outdoor range time. The ammunition situation is still fluid, but I am getting the impression supply is loosening up a wee little bit. Are you seeing this too? As conditions hopefully continue to improve, give some thought to increasing your personal strategic reserve in the calibers you most frequently shoot.

With that, lets take a peek below, shall we?

Ladies and Gentlemen, do we ever have content for you tonight! In a Gun Thread exclusive report, our pal and delightful 'ette Nurse Ratched relates her encounter with a homeless person on the streets of Seattle, how she defended herself during an assault, and the lessons she learned!

Nurse Ratched Assaulted On Street, Deploys Pepper Spray, Not Late for Work
WeaselNewsNetwork, Seattle, WA - March 31, 2021
I had to pepper spray a crazy person in the face this morning, Seems like I'm making this up, but I'm not.

I had just gotten off the ferry and walked up to the crosswalk to hit the cross button. There was a mid 40s white guy blowing his nose and spitting into the garbage can. Nothing too abnormal about that, but my crazy alarm was going off. I did not make eye contact, but after hitting the cross button, I made sure to take a few steps back. He suddenly, and without warning started screaming at me and walking rapidly towards me. I took three steps back and sprayed him right in the face. I always have my pepper spray in my pocket, in my hand when I'm downtown.
Folks on the sidewalk stopped for a second. I got him good in the face and eyes and crossed the street. A garbage truck driver honked his horn, rolled down his window, gave me a thumbs up and kept saying, "GOOD FOR YOU!" I got to work in record time with all the adrenaline pumping through my system. My lungs are no longer burning, but the skin on my face and my lips are. And I can taste it. I feel strangely accomplished.

I'm glad I wasn't relying on a concealed handgun. I would not have drawn it. The streets are busy, cars and pedestrians everywhere and the risk of hitting an innocent bystander too great. I would have been attacked. I had no reservations about spraying him in the eyes and face, however. None at all. I don't know that I could draw a firearm and point it at another person unless they were a) threatening one of my boys, or b) breaking into my home while I was there. I will not be anyone's hero. But I will protect myself.

Funny thing, the next day on the ferry, I was a bit of a minor celebrity. Three women and four men walked up to me and asked, "was that you, yesterday? That all happened so fast!" They wanted to see what I had in my pocket and were online to purchase for themselves while on the boat. We had a bit of a discussion about situational awareness and listening to your "gut." Also, defunding the police seems to be less of virtue signal policy. Everyone is turning against the city council on this one. Hmmmm. I also looked at the women and told them to take their safety into their own hands. I got a lot of nods. One woman even asked if she could walk with me for a couple blocks.

So, I guess the moral of the story is to carry what you will use forcefully and without hesitation. Had I hesitated, I would have been hit hard. Actually, I wasn't scared until after I crossed the street. In the moment, I was calm. But there was no way that guy was going to hurt me. Not. A. Chance.

I feel really good about the experience. And I thank God He was with me and kept me clear headed.

Nurse Ratched goes on to share some of her thoughts the next day.

On further reflection...
I'm glad I wasn't relying on a concealed handgun yesterday. I would not have drawn it. The streets are busy, cars and pedestrians everywhere and the risk of hitting an innocent bystander too great. I would have been attacked. I had no reservations about spraying him in the eyes and face, however. None at all.

I don't know that I could draw a firearm and point it at another person unless they were; a) threatening one of my boys, or b) breaking into my home while I was there. I will not be anyone's hero. But I will protect myself.

So, I guess the moral of the story is to carry what you will use forcefully and without hesitation. Had I hesitated, I would have been hit hard.

In a telephone interview following the incident, Nurse Ratched answered a few questions:

Gun Thread: What is the general area like? Would you describe it as dangerous?
Nurse Ratched: The general area is very busy. I was walking off the ferry dock. The street is wide open. There are shops and restaurants along the waterfront. The Seattle Aquarium is just a couple buildings over. However, in true Seattle style, there is a homeless encampment less than a hundred yards away.

Gun Thread: How far away was the perp when you first felt uneasy? How far away when you decided to spray him? How long did it take you to decide to deploy the spray?
Nurse Ratched: He was spitting into a garbage can about five feet from the crossing signal when I hit it. I tapped the button and moved several steps away immediately. He started screaming about 2-3 seconds after I backed away. He was within five feet of me when I sprayed him. I was ready to spray him BEFORE he charged me, because my "crazy meter" was sounding an alarm.

Gun Thread: Was the perp immediately immobilized? Do you think the product you used was of sufficient strength or potency?
Nurse Ratched: He stopped in his tracks. I got a DIRECT shot to his eyes and mouth. I was able to walk across the street without further hesitation. Didn't even miss the light.

Gun Thread: What is the product you used?
Nurse Ratched: Sabre pepper spray It's the smallest one they have. I keep it in my pocket IN MY HAND and my finger on the button. Seriously. It won't help if it's in my backpack or my purse.

Gun Thread: You said there was no hesitancy. Was there a surreal feeling during or immediately after the event? Did that affect your actions at all?
Nurse Ratched: Somehow I was very calm. Everything developed quickly, but clearly. I knew what I had to do and did it. I walked away and only looked back only to make certain he could not follow me. He was trying to wipe the pepper spray off his face and out of his eyes.

Gun Thread: Is there anything you would do differently if something like this would happen again?
Nurse Ratched: Nope.

Gun Thread: Having been through this once, do you think the experience makes you better prepared should there be a next time?
Nurse Ratched: Absolutely. Feminists talk about "empowerment." This was empowering. I took responsibility for my own safety. No one else was in danger and I continued on with my morning.

Okey-Dokey. Lots to unpack here. First, I'm sure you all share my thankfulness that Nurse R is safe and uninjured and that we're not all offering our thoughts and prayers for her recovery had she not defended herself so capably and been physically assaulted. I have to say I am extremely proud of Nurse R and how she handled herself. It is a shame that we live in a world where crap like this happens, but it does. She wasn't in some dark alley, but rather waiting for a light on a busy street full of people. That these conditions are allowed to exist is reprehensible, but let's back up and look at the steps Nurse R took to put herself in the best possible position for an optimum outcome.

Preparedness
Nurse R was prepared, both mentally and with the tools necessary to defend herself. She understood the threat environment she was transiting; a busy street in a major city with a significant homeless and mental illness problems. She made the conscious decision in advance to be ready to protect herself, and had mentally rehearsed the steps she would take to do so. Once in the environment, she was prepared to act immediately by having the pepper spray ready for instant use, having it in her hand inside a pocket with her finger on the switch. I cannot over-emphasize this. Nurse R was ready to act.

Situational Awareness
Nurse R was aware of her surroundings. Her head was up and she was fully aware of her environment and of the threats contained therein. She was not walking head down looking at her phone with earbuds on. She was aware, identified a potential troublemaker, and put some distance between herself and the threat. As the encounter evolved, she went from DEFCON 2 to DEFCON 1 in an instant, acting without hesitation.

Decisiveness
Nurse R had taken care of most of the go/no go mental process in advance and was able to act instantly. Once an imminent threat was identified, she didn't waste valuable time trying to sort out her thoughts and feelings on the matter and weighing her options. She did not have to fumble around in a bag to find the pepper spray. All of the thought processes were complete except for the deployment of the spray. Once the person violated her airspace in a threatening manner, she was calm, focused and acted exactly as she had prepared herself to do.

Un-Assing The Area
Nurse R nailed the guy and immediately exited the area, slowing only once when safely across the street to make certain the threat had been neutralized. Once she determined she was not being pursued, she proceeded about her business.

And that, everyone, is exactly how that is done.

In speaking with Nurse R, she mentioned her firearm range practice giving her the confidence to defend herself with both lethal and non-lethal systems. I think that's part of the 'empowerment' she referred to. She refused to be a victim, and prepared herself in advance with self-defense in mind. Her range time helped her develop the confidence needed to assess a threat and eliminate it.

Which brings us to my final point. Nurse R chose a non-lethal weapon for protection on her daily walking commute, something suitable for the threat she would most likely encounter; a random assault or street robbery. Had she only been carrying a firearm, she would have significantly limited her options. In this case, she probably would not have been justified in shooting, since the attacker was apparently not armed and the crowded street scene would have placed numerous other people at risk when the shooting started. Having a non-lethal option available also allowed her to act instantly, rather than performing the mental gymnastics necessary to determine if use of lethal force was warranted. Even if she ultimately prevailed in court, she would have spent a ruinous amount of time and money defending herself. She had a non-lethal alternative which perfectly met her needs, and she used it. We can debate the question of lethal vs. non-lethal options until the cows come home and not agree on whether or not it would be justified, and frankly, none of us know how a jury would decide given the facts and circumstances. At the end of the day, nobody ended up dead or seriously injured, and that is the best possible outcome.

Everyone out there needs to do precisely what Nurse R did and prepare for an event such a this, particularly the 'ettes, who might not be able to physically engage an attacker. Please think about this and prepare accordingly. You are the only one responsible for your safety.

Thoughts?

Note: I'd like to thank Nurse Ratched for agreeing to share what was obviously a scary incident. I'd also like to thank our pal and Gun Thread Correspondent Diogenes for sharing his thoughts on the encounter after speaking with the Nurse.


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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Ace Open Blog at 07:00 PM | Comments (362)
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1 Weasel!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 11, 2021 07:00 PM (kTF2Z)

2 Ready on fireing lkne

Posted by: Skip at April 11, 2021 07:01 PM (Cxk7w)

3 Is this the thread we missed last week?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 11, 2021 07:01 PM (kTF2Z)

4 First!

Posted by: The Neon Madman at April 11, 2021 07:01 PM (KSXRc)

5 Sponge!

Posted by: ChrisP at April 11, 2021 07:01 PM (Cn69F)

6 Be very aware of what comes from the ATF and HHS,  If  Chipman  gets  confirmed, he and Becerra are  one step away from your door.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 11, 2021 07:04 PM (h3kSW)

7 Yep. This is mostly what was missed last week.

Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2021 07:04 PM (MVjcR)

8 Went back to read the content. Big thumbs up to Nurse R for situational awareness, and for being prepared! 

Posted by: The Neon Madman at April 11, 2021 07:05 PM (KSXRc)

9 What da ya mean this isn't the Led Zeppelin thread?

Posted by: The Walking Dude at April 11, 2021 07:06 PM (cCxiu)

10 Nurse did you look at his hands at anytime? 

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 11, 2021 07:07 PM (2DOZq)

11

If I we the devil - by Paul Harvey 1964
https://youtu.be/kQziBKrJYqY

Posted by: Corner Stone at April 11, 2021 07:08 PM (sRP4V)

12 I think having a range of self defense options is hugely important, and something that probably isn't discussed enough.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 11, 2021 07:09 PM (Q9lwr)

13 Remember Weekend at Bidens?
https://youtu.be/W8NoI_foKDY

Posted by: Corner Stone at April 11, 2021 07:09 PM (sRP4V)

14 Nurse R, I salute you, and lift a glass in your honor. Or in this case, a container of pepper spray. May many women be cheered and informed by your example!

Posted by: Numbuh Two, 2x4 Technology Operative at April 11, 2021 07:10 PM (YWBlw)

15 I hope she doesn't spray CBD for using a sous vide. 

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at April 11, 2021 07:10 PM (WF/xn)

16 Nurse and Weasel,  Thank you for posting this.  I hope every onr takes this to hearts and  remains prepared.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 11, 2021 07:10 PM (h3kSW)

17 Good thing he wasn't a minority.  She'd still be trying to post bail

Posted by: Uncle Rick at April 11, 2021 07:12 PM (48/MM)

18 {{{nurse R}}} Very well done, nurse!!! 

I'm not ready to carry my pistol, may never be, but I carry pepper spray and advised my mom to do the same. 

Posted by: screaming in digital at April 11, 2021 07:13 PM (kTRt4)

19 YES!!!  Pew Pew Thread!!  Was going through withdrawals the past week.
Nurse R, so glad that you are safe and that you were able to take care of the threat posed to you, and with non lethal force.
Sadly I do not think  the situation there or anywhere in the US will be getting better anytime soon.  Not as long as Dementia Joe and The Ho are in power and the Dems control Congress.
No range report. Weather permitting I hope to hit the range next weekend to get the rifle dialed in at 100 yards then take it to the 200/300 yard range and see what I can do.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at April 11, 2021 07:13 PM (zyBax)

20 Hey Nurse , you are MY hero. Good job. (Clapping and cheering...)

Posted by: Jesse in DC at April 11, 2021 07:14 PM (Yp3Ga)

21 10 Nurse did you look at his hands at anytime?  

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth 


He was blowing his nose into something in his hands.  When he charged me, I was not focused on his hand, but his face.  

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 11, 2021 07:14 PM (U2p+3)

22 I think I want a 9mm WASR. Talk me out of it 

Posted by: f'd at April 11, 2021 07:15 PM (Tnijr)

23 Thanks Weasel for the thread.  Nurse R told me about this incident the day it happened. I can only applaud her for being aware and ready to act.  I'm familiar with that area as well and it has gone downhill badly.  Seattle has become such an insane place that if normal people don't act to make changes to the city council soon, it'll become that dystopia you saw in the movies where no one is safe.  That said, I don't see the people there trying to vote their way out. All I can say is, they voted for it. I hope they get it good and hard. 

Posted by: Winston GOPe not one dime, not one vote at April 11, 2021 07:15 PM (5K5BE)

24 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at April 11, 2021 07:13 PM (zyBax) ---- I've seen you shoot, SD. You laugh at 300yd targets!!

Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2021 07:15 PM (MVjcR)

25 Wow, glad to hear how Nurse handled things.  And quadruple head nod at how outrageous it is that things like this are now common - and mostly entirely preventable.

Turns out I just got some pepper spray (Sabre brand) for the boss - she asked for some for her neighborhood walks (crime rate in decades in this neighborhood - especially day-time, street crime - 0.0000000 incidents per millenium).  Got some new stuff for myself too.  Always have it on the belt when biking or blading (mostly for dogs) - have never used it.

AND the boss also seems to like the S&W Model 60.  Last week at the range she shot it well.  And she hasn't even seen the laser sight, which works very well (bought it from a guy - he seems to have dialed in the laser perfectly; at the indoor range I tried it out, rested, single-action - hit the target about exactly where the red dot was).

So, gonna have her practice with my old pepper spray, show her the laser on the revolver, and get back to the range so she can get real comfy with the gun.  Her M1 carbine skills remain solid.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 11, 2021 07:17 PM (OTzUX)

26 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at April 11, 2021 07:13 PM (zyBax) ------ SD - I've seen you shoot.  You laugh at 300 yd targets!

Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2021 07:17 PM (MVjcR)

27 Great job, Nurse!
Dons gas mask
You put fish sauce in your chili?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 11, 2021 07:18 PM (kTF2Z)

28 Obviously I haven't figured out how to post comments yet.

Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2021 07:19 PM (MVjcR)

29 Many thanks to Nurse R for telling us what happened and to Weasel for the breakdown on why it is a valuable lesson. In fact, I applaud Nurse R for her approach. I suspect many of us are going to be looking up that spray.

Posted by: JTB at April 11, 2021 07:19 PM (7EjX1)

30
Nurse R chose a non-lethal weapon for protection

Phasers on stun!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 11, 2021 07:19 PM (63Dwl)

31 I think the Nurse demonstrates that it comes down to a "willingness to act", All the training and dry firing in the world wont help if you hesitate to act. Her solution was pepper spray but pistols are the same. It all takes place in a moment, with distances ranging from fistfight to rock fight.

Posted by: ck at April 11, 2021 07:19 PM (iBg56)

32 Nurse, good job. An example of being prepared for situations when trouble is a few seconds away, and the police are ???

Posted by: Gref at April 11, 2021 07:21 PM (AMIL/)

33 Bravo! Nurse Ratched

Posted by: Braenyard at April 11, 2021 07:21 PM (UIwVc)

34
If  Chipman  gets  confirmed

Is there any chance he won't be?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 11, 2021 07:22 PM (63Dwl)

35  Nurse Ratched, I'm glad you came through okay.

It's incredible how accurate profiling and instinct is, isn't it?  Almost like 2.5M years of the development of the human brain has shaped it into a well-honed tool to be used for safety.

And how incredible it is that women - everyone really, but especially women - are told not to use it.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at April 11, 2021 07:22 PM (9aYjv)

36 23  Winston GOP, yes I would love the people that voted for those idiots get their comeuppance but unfortunately people like Nurse R and yourself have to suffer the same fate.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at April 11, 2021 07:23 PM (zyBax)

37 Way to go Nurse!

Posted by: dartist at April 11, 2021 07:24 PM (+ya+t)

38 I'm well outside Seattle and Nurse R has a standing invite here with her pops if she needs to evacuate. Lucy the kitteh is also very welcome. 

Posted by: Winston GOPe not one dime, not one vote at April 11, 2021 07:25 PM (5K5BE)

39 Hey Weasel,  hey everybody else!! Much improved Gun Thread this week. No shooting this week. I had planned to hit the Frederick gun show, but I felt crappy and blew it off. The Chantilly show is in a couple weeks, I will do that one for sure... I did put up a new bookshelf in the bedroom, so I am sorting out all the firearm and military history books...

Posted by: Jesse in DC at April 11, 2021 07:25 PM (Yp3Ga)

40 Weasel, would you believe when I was at my 300 yard range just before you saw me shoot at the TXMoMe that I could not see where any of my shots landed on my target?  I do not remember what I did to have the type of day I was having at the MoMe.  Must be the Freedom in the air in Texas.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at April 11, 2021 07:25 PM (zyBax)

41 Made it to the range with a buddy and his M1. A lot of fun shooting the antique. Cheers 

Posted by: Dace at April 11, 2021 07:26 PM (e/vI6)

42 great j*b NR!

Posted by: redc1c4 *OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated at April 11, 2021 07:26 PM (yo4+E)

43 nurse, I was not aware of your incident until now.
Dayum.   Very impressive.   Of course, for someone who obliterates the red ring on a silhouette with regularity, I would have guessed you got the bum in the eyes on the first shot. 
As much as I love the geography and many or most people around here, what the CCP-worshiping city council has allowed my city to become is criminal.   And it is people not as smart, or well-prepared to defend themselves, that take the brunt of the pain.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at April 11, 2021 07:26 PM (sy5kK)

44 Good for you Ms Ratched.

I loaded a few 30.06 rounds (primers are like gold), attached a scope to my trusty 1917 and loaded it into my car trunk. Drove 45 minutes to the range to zero the scope, and the range was closed. Flooded from the overnight rains. Oh well, I'll try again next week.

Posted by: Javems at April 11, 2021 07:26 PM (8SSHh)

45 Tips hat to Nurse

Posted by: Skip at April 11, 2021 07:27 PM (Cxk7w)

46 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at April 11, 2021 07:25 PM (zyBax) ----- Nah, bro.  You're a steely-eyed rifleman!

Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2021 07:27 PM (MVjcR)

47 Howdy, Jesse!

Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2021 07:28 PM (MVjcR)

48 https://ruger.com/products/lcrx/specSheets/5437.html
I see Ruger is making an LCrx 3" in .22 WMR. That would make a great kit gun. 17 oz

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at April 11, 2021 07:28 PM (WF/xn)

49 
 64, with a round butt

Posted by: Braenyard at April 11, 2021 07:28 PM (UIwVc)

50 I had thought that in retirement that I would get to the range every week but alas, I did honeydoos the first four days of the week, and then it rained the next three.
FML

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 11, 2021 07:29 PM (kTi97)

51 Assessment and action .  Nurse is spot on in  both. 

Posted by: Ben Had at April 11, 2021 07:29 PM (h3kSW)

52 Glad to see Nurse R. handle the problem with aplomb.
Mrs. AZd works in public areas and after one of these gub threads I asked her if she'd like some backup defensive help. We got her the Sabre Red Pepper Spray - Police Strength - Discreet pen because her job will not allow her to carry anything. https://is.gd/KZopW8
The job isn't worth being attacked and being able to defend yourself.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 11, 2021 07:30 PM (gtatv)

53 Nicaraguan Ramon Allones this evening, for those playing the Weasel home game.

Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2021 07:30 PM (MVjcR)

54 Good work, Nurse R......I only had to use pepper spray once, but it saved my ass and worked very well indeed.....I keep bear spray by the front door, as well as firearms.  Always good to have less than lethal options around.  While living in a tiny apartment during a temp assignment, I had a double-barrel 12 ga loaded with rubber buckshot.  Did not want to kill any of the fellow tenement dwellers thru over penetration.   Again, good work, oh shining member of the Hoard!!!!   Jasonj, Tucson

Posted by: jasonj at April 11, 2021 07:30 PM (4Tpar)

55 Quite the story. Most impressed with Nurse R

Posted by: From that time at April 11, 2021 07:30 PM (1VbWy)

56 Quite the story. Most impressed with Nurse R

Posted by: From that time at April 11, 2021 07:31 PM (1VbWy)

57 64, with a round butt

Posted by: Braenyard at April 11, 2021 07:28 PM (UIwVc)

------

It's a great little gun!

Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2021 07:31 PM (MVjcR)

58 Bravo Zulu to Nurse Ratched! Handled the situation like a pro. On the t'other topic, looks like Joey Plugs is determined to make a good percentage of the population into instant felons.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at April 11, 2021 07:32 PM (bAe71)

59 32 Nurse, good job. An example of being prepared for situations when trouble is a few seconds away, and the police are ??? Posted by: Gref at April 11, 2021 07:21 PM (AMIL/)

Gref, the dock where nurse disembarks is right downtown, and there are always a lot of cops there, mostly sitting in their dark blue Ford Explorers in a no-parking zone.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at April 11, 2021 07:33 PM (sy5kK)

60 I dunno Weasel, should WeaselDog know not to bite the hand that feeds him?  :-D

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at April 11, 2021 07:33 PM (zyBax)

61 Weasel,   Nurse will partake in a cigar.  Just a heads up.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 11, 2021 07:35 PM (h3kSW)

62 M64 "Well that's not too bad."

Yeah duh.  Pretty good with a snubby.  I would just be happy to hit the plate in the balls.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 11, 2021 07:36 PM (kTi97)

63 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at April 11, 2021 07:33 PM (zyBax) ------ That was attack dog training!

Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2021 07:36 PM (MVjcR)

64  
and there are always a lot of cops there, mostly sitting in their dark blue Ford Explorers in a no-parking zone.


You sound like you don't want someone to write up a report after an incident has already completely resolved itself and it's safe to walk through the area.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at April 11, 2021 07:36 PM (9aYjv)

65 Primers. Where are the primers? The shelves are bare. All normal suppliers are "out of stock." Primers were about $30/thousand. Now, at gunshows, primers are going for $150/thousand. One LGS offered small pistol at  $80/thousand; and had none for shotgun.  

Posted by: shootist at April 11, 2021 07:36 PM (+NG5U)

66
Nicaraguan Ramon Allones this evening, for those playing the Weasel home game. Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2021 07:30 PM (MVjcR)
Does this mean the chair is against the wall?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 11, 2021 07:37 PM (kTF2Z)

67 I did find another 1500 small rifle primers locally for a dime a piece. That was good!! I had a couple of good days at the range and I think I've figured out my reloading problems with the new 6mmARC's. I had to knock the shoulder back a bit in the 6.5 Grendel brass I re-sized.

Posted by: ck at April 11, 2021 07:38 PM (iBg56)

68 Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 11, 2021 07:36 PM (kTi97)
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Some days I just get lucky!

Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2021 07:38 PM (MVjcR)

69 Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 11, 2021 07:37 PM (kTF2Z)
----
Easy kemosabe!  Not yet!

Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2021 07:39 PM (MVjcR)

70 Ben Had - roger!

Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2021 07:39 PM (MVjcR)

71 testes only.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at April 11, 2021 07:39 PM (bgJ0E)

72
On the t'other topic, looks like Joey Plugs is determined to make a good percentage of the population into instant felons.


The president whose son is an active gun criminal that was bailed out by the feds/FBI/Secret Service/whoever while committing gun crimes.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at April 11, 2021 07:40 PM (9aYjv)

73 Posted by: ck at April 11, 2021 07:38 PM (iBg56)
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I set my Full size dies to bump the shoulder .001"

Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2021 07:41 PM (MVjcR)

74 Picked up an AR-7 last week (made by Henry).  What a phenomenal little gun!  Barrel, receiver, and two magazines (three if you leave one in the receiver) of .22LR that all breaks down and stores in a 16" stock that will float for an hour or more.

Comes with height adjustable peep sights and an adjustable front sight for windage, this little booger is more accurate than I am, with the right ammo.  (I use CCI Velocitors, as those work best for my rifle.  CCI Mini-Mags are a close second.)

Highly recommend it as a bugout gun that can fit in a backpack and weighs 3.5 pounds, all for under $300.

Posted by: sardiver at April 11, 2021 07:42 PM (s0DTB)

75 Howdy NZFrank!

Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2021 07:42 PM (MVjcR)

76 Nurse R, I knew I "liked" you. Well done. 

Posted by: RI Ref at April 11, 2021 07:42 PM (6Y47l)

77 I have Pachmayrs on all of what I consider my "fighting pistols".
They just weld into my hand.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 11, 2021 07:42 PM (kTi97)

78 Last week I finally pulled the trigger (appropriate, huh?) and brought 8 guns to a local gun shop for consignment. Easy to do, avoids state and federal forms (the store handles that), and likely prices are decided ahead of time. I know two rifles were sold in about 2 hours and think the others may be gone as well. The store inventory is as lo. as I've ever seen.

I had grave doubts about selling anything but these were all surplus to my needs. There's only so much time to shoot 30-06 rifles or 22lr revolvers, which is why I finally took the step, I'll let folks know of any difficulties that might happen

Posted by: JTB at April 11, 2021 07:43 PM (7EjX1)

79 Viva La Nurse Ratched! When you have to act, act. Don't hesitate.
And situational awareness. Learn it, live it and sharpen your mind and skills. It will save your life one day.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 11, 2021 07:43 PM (R/m4+)

80 Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 11, 2021 07:42 PM (kTi97)
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I also really like Hogue Combats and have them on all of my carry guns.

Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2021 07:43 PM (MVjcR)

81 Weasel, when you are saying Green, GREEN...  A thousand times GREEN!! Are you talking about Soylent Green?  You do know that's made of people, dontcha?

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at April 11, 2021 07:44 PM (QjRKG)

82 Highly recommend Talon Grips, particularly for a wide gripped EDC gun.  Put on on my HK45Compact, and it's excellent.

Posted by: sardiver at April 11, 2021 07:45 PM (s0DTB)

83 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at April 11, 2021 07:44 PM (QjRKG)
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Of course!

Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2021 07:46 PM (MVjcR)

84 Gwaad I'm dumb. Ahemm... looks around makes sure no one saw previous posting attempts.
Ola Ca va?
Just back from a gun auction. Scored lots of pew pews and accessories. Lucky its was a sniper rifle collection auction and the MG buyers were not there so I and a mate got very lucky on the prices. MP40's, DPM, 1928A1 Thompsons, and my favourite a FN D BAR. A very good trip. However the sniper stuff prices were ridiculous. I even brought some Gee rand parts.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at April 11, 2021 07:46 PM (bgJ0E)

85 My range report sucks.  Had a group of about 8 pigs come out of the woods.  I'm going to give them a day to get complacent  and move farther up in  the pasture.  They left.   No ham or bacon for me this week.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 11, 2021 07:46 PM (h3kSW)

86 I thought NZ banned all firearms?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 11, 2021 07:47 PM (kTF2Z)

87 Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at April 11, 2021 07:46 PM (bgJ0E) --- Congratulations!

Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2021 07:47 PM (MVjcR)

88 Posted by: Ben Had at April 11, 2021 07:46 PM (h3kSW)
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Good strategy!

Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2021 07:48 PM (MVjcR)

89 Hickok45 on the model 65
https://is.gd/BWoX2T

Posted by: Braenyard at April 11, 2021 07:49 PM (UIwVc)

90 Thanks Mr Weasel. I got lucky. And normally if I didn't have bad luck I would have no luck at all.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at April 11, 2021 07:49 PM (bgJ0E)

91 Have to agree about the Model 64. I have the Ruger equivalent. They take some getting used to to be accurate but they are. 38 special is a comfortable round to shoot and, if fired in SD, won't blow out your hearing .

Posted by: JTB at April 11, 2021 07:49 PM (7EjX1)

92 Guns! Snow! Guns!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at April 11, 2021 07:50 PM (uxJPn)

93 Posted by: Ben Had at April 11, 2021 07:46 PM (h3kSW)  I can only imagine all the different ham and/or bacon dishes at the next MoMe.  Unless of course there is a sudden drop in the pig population near Ben's place.  ;-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at April 11, 2021 07:50 PM (QjRKG)

94
I also really like Hogue Combats and have them on all of my carry guns.

Posted by:Weasel at April 11, 2021 07:43 PM (MVjcR)

I think that having grips that you like, and more importantly, ones that allow an an automatic and consistent grip, is very important, especially if you are a point and shoot guy like me.  I very rarely to never use the sights, figuring if I had to pull, it would be dark, I'd be scared, and they would be very close anyway.  

Face it, if they are 50 feet or more away, I'm going to run for cover and defy them to hit a rabbiting target.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 11, 2021 07:50 PM (kTi97)

95 Excellent write up for Nurse and her great actions. A lesson for everyone.  Thanks for the Gun Thread Weasel! Hi Nurse...

Posted by: DBCooper at April 11, 2021 07:51 PM (zKVbR)

96 86 I thought NZ banned all firearms?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 11, 2021 07:47 PM (kTF2Z)


Nay, only the evil black ones. Unless you did the paperwork and kept them under conditions or simply were bad and did not hand them over.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at April 11, 2021 07:51 PM (bgJ0E)

97 Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 11, 2021 07:50 PM (kTi97)
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Agreed 100%

Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2021 07:51 PM (MVjcR)

98 I am pleased that Nurse R was successful in deploying the pepper spray. She is a sweet lady, and a very good shot.

And that brings me to this delayed "range report". Several weeks ago, now, Nurse Ratched made a weekend visit to the PHX area, and a number of local Morons were invited to go shooting with her and her gracious host, who must go nameless for reasons of OpSec. We were a gathering of six, Nurse R, her host, myself, Quilter's Irish Death, and his buddy Skip, and lurker (mostly) Osprey.

We gathered at a secluded, but actual, range, somewhere south of Mesa, and numerous weapons were fired. I didn't take notes, so I will not attempt to attribute ownership of the various weapons, also, given the crazy political situation, OpSec applies. We began by firing various handguns, and AR-type pistols and carbines. I quite liked firing the AR-15 in .300 blackout. Nurse R put the rest of us to shame firing the Walther P38 at a "christmas tree" type spinning plate target. Then most of us got some trigger time with a Thompson submachine gun, fitted with drum magazine. Big, dirty fun!

Then we moved to a more distant firing position, and tried some rifles at 205 yards. I had great difficulty shooting a .338 Lapua from the prone position. My poor neck just doesn't want to bend back that far. The Barrett M82 was much easier, as the rifle is much taller, and had a magnificent optic on it. Nailing the 10 by 10 inch hunk of armor plate was easy peasy. And every time it went, Bang! a ten dollar bill grew wings and flew away. And some of the participants fired a few rounds from my 1939 Mosin Nagant 91/30. More punishing to the shoulder than either the Barrett or the Lapua.

Thanks again to out gracious host!

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 11, 2021 07:51 PM (mzC78)

99 Howdy DBCooper!!

Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2021 07:52 PM (MVjcR)

100 DBCooper,  Many Thanks to you, kind Sir.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 11, 2021 07:53 PM (h3kSW)

101 Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 11, 2021 07:51 PM (mzC7
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Sounds like a most excellent time.  Thanks AOP!

Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2021 07:54 PM (MVjcR)

102 I'm at the point where I'm not doing any shooting unless I can buy ammo and not tap the reserve.  I picked up a couple boxes of filthy dirty but went bang Tula 9mm at close to pre crisis price, and a box of 25acp for a little bit higher.  Gave both the Sccys a little exercise, and popped off a few mags of 25 with my trusty old Beretta Jetfire.  I should have brought the G17 .  Concluded the session burning up a box of 22 shorts (got a deal on a dozen boxes) through the Heritage Rough Rider.

Posted by: bill in Arkansas not gonna comply with nuttin at April 11, 2021 07:54 PM (I58tH)

103 Nurse, outstanding job. You are obviously in "condition yellow" when out and about. You really couldn't have done better.
Heck, cant even armchair quarterback this, as it sounds textbook.

Posted by: Blake ‐ semi lurker at large at April 11, 2021 07:54 PM (1/wzH)

104 Just back from a gun auction. Scored lots of pew pews and accessories. Lucky its was a sniper rifle collection auction and the MG buyers were not there so I and a mate got very lucky on the prices. MP40's, DPM, 1928A1 Thompsons, and my favourite a FN D BAR. A very good trip. However the sniper stuff prices were ridiculous. I even brought some Gee rand parts. Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at April 11, 2021 07:46 PM (bgJ0E)
Very Nice!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 11, 2021 07:55 PM (R/m4+)

105 Yo, Weasel, a double-tap of WD! Thank'ee kindly.
Also, whoever painted your tractor did a great job; they really nailed the exact shade of John Deere green!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 11, 2021 07:55 PM (DMUuz)

106 Glad Nurse is ok.  And I still stick to what I said when she gave me my first "fvck you, citizen" - I don't know everything about somebody based on where they live.  I just know I need to.  She won't be leaving - even after this.  Even when it gets worse.  And that's all I need to know.

Posted by: Night Moves at April 11, 2021 07:55 PM (2sSe/)

107 Thanks Weasel, I also had to shorten the ones I'm loading with Sierra GameKings(got a really good deal on them). I loaded a couple at Hornady factory specs which was a little long, live and learn.

Posted by: ck at April 11, 2021 07:55 PM (iBg56)

108 I have read that the average distance of shootings in America is 18 inches.
Doubtless a huge number of contact shots fudge the average but it is still likely to be within powder burn range so practice getting those shots from the hip.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 11, 2021 07:56 PM (kTi97)

109 Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 11, 2021 07:55 PM (DMUuz)
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My pleasure!  That is a lovely shade of green, isn't it?

Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2021 07:56 PM (MVjcR)

110 So, did manage to go shooting last couple of weekends.  Both times, was up in the hills north of Sultan.  Yesterday, it was even snowing up there, while it was sunny and Spring back home in Monroe.  Shooting in the snow was fun. Reloading in the snow was less fun but better than doing it in the rain.  Wore gloves (Mechanix) and a fuzzy hat and had a great time.
Shooting was mostly .22, my CZ p-07 and CZ-75, both with and without the adapter, with a little Glock 21 shooting as well yesterday.  Targets were mostly small tangerines, which worked great.  Hit a tangerine with a 9mm and it goes splat rather nicely.  If you are targeting fallen tree roots, 45 ACP chews them up real good.
2/3 shooting was with .22, 1/2 with full power ammo.  I can't praise these CZ adapters enough, they really let me practice with what a 'real' gun feels like while not soaking me on ammo costs.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at April 11, 2021 07:57 PM (uxJPn)

111 I like the grips I have on my Sig.  They are G10 grips.  Very grippy, even in damp conditions.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at April 11, 2021 07:58 PM (QjRKG)

112 Posted by: ck at April 11, 2021 07:55 PM (iBg56)
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Sounds like you have it under control!

Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2021 07:58 PM (MVjcR)

113 My range trip this week was, uhh, unusual. The 1100 yd was closed while they did lots of improvements - backstop berms so you can see your misses (yes, needed), trees and brush trimmed for better visibility and, the piece de resistance, a trench at 513 yards for a moving target! On Friday I bunked work in the afternoon and took my 4wd and my GPS out on the course - geo located most of the targets for ranging. My range finder only is good out to 5-600 yds. Biggest surprise of the day: my optics are good enough that the targets and surroundings look large. IRL, they aren't! And most of the steel is only 12" by 12".  Turns out I'm shooting a bit better than I thought. *humble brag* *but couldn't do it without the Weasel's guidance!*

Posted by: RI Ref at April 11, 2021 07:59 PM (6Y47l)

114 Evening.
So sorry to read about Nurse Ratched having to mace Ace in the face but that's an incredible story.  Good job, Nurse!

Posted by: Robert at April 11, 2021 08:00 PM (lIg0U)

115 My wife and I met the good Nurse R at a MoMe once and she is one cool and impressive lady!  Thanks for the summary of the encounter.  I watch a lot of videos and situational awareness is key.  As John Correia says, "attention buys you time, and time buys you options!"  
I have two stories of when I was assaulted.  Yes, I am in a relatively rare club.  I'd have to see if I could obfuscate some of the details to preserve my anonymity but still make the narrative meaningful.  
And I agree that ammo availability and prices is highly variable here week to week.  But if I wanted ammo I could buy it.  

Be safe out there.  


Posted by: wareagle82 at April 11, 2021 08:00 PM (+Kpte)

116

Nurse Ratched..  Pray tell, ma'am, what is your tipple of choice?  Serious question.  If you don't wanna post it, you can write to me or relay via Weasel or several others. 

Whatever it is, you've earned a reward!

Jim

Sunk New Dawn

Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at April 11, 2021 08:00 PM (QzJWU)

117 What a green, I mean, great day for Nurse Ratched.  
You basically made me decide to get this for my wife and daughter.  Including the practice pepper spray.   Dues Vult!!
What a waste though of such a beautiful city.   I had considered escaping Calizuela to go there but the recent experience my nephew had - 3.8 gpa and no Cal State or UC school let him in - has made me decide I may have to leave the country
I won’t have my children be second class citizens. Ironically, I’d be taking them to Eastern Europe if I go.   If you had told me that 30 years ago I would have laughed in your face. Now it’s laughter of despair and insanity as the country goes fascist. 

Posted by: Loki at April 11, 2021 08:00 PM (KqiMr)

118 Thanks for the thread, weasel. No range report this week. I wanted to check out Compass Training Center, but, it didn't work. Darn it.

Posted by: Blake ‐ semi lurker at large at April 11, 2021 08:00 PM (1/wzH)

119 Posted by: RI Ref at April 11, 2021 07:59 PM (6Y47l)
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Excellent work!

Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2021 08:00 PM (MVjcR)

120 Thanks Blake -  happy to do it!

Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2021 08:01 PM (MVjcR)

121 Good for you, Nurse! 
Far too often, people are killed into a sense of safety when in fact, chaos is ready and willing to erupt at any moment. The biggest thing you have to your advantage is your gut. That sixth sense we have as humans that danger is near or that something isn't right. 
Listening to your gut can literally save your life. 
People also think that somehow authorities are everywhere and can react in an instant to stop a violent crime when in reality, response times are measure in tens of minutes. A lot can happen in that amount of time if you're fighting for your life. 
Listen to your gut and don't wait for someone to save you. 

Posted by: AlaBAMA at April 11, 2021 08:02 PM (kTi97)

122 Hiya DB Cooper!    I'm still swooning over that tenderloin!
AoP, It was a GREAT day with morons and guns.  Thank you and osprey and QID for taking the time to come out!   It was an amazing escape, if only for a weekend, from the stupidness of Seattle.  

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 11, 2021 08:02 PM (U2p+3)

123

Nurse Ratched..  Pray tell, ma'am, what is your tipple of choice?  Serious question.  If you don't wanna post it, you can write to me or relay via Weasel or several others.  

Whatever it is, you've earned a reward!

 

Jim

Sunk New Dawn

Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at April 11, 2021 08:00 PM (QzJWU)


She likes margaritas.

Posted by: Robert knows at April 11, 2021 08:02 PM (lIg0U)

124 Posted by: RI Ref at April 11, 2021 07:59 PM (6Y47l)
1100 yard range?  Soooooo jealous.  ;-) Members only? Should I bring something besides my Sig when I go to the Academy next month?

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at April 11, 2021 08:02 PM (QjRKG)

125 And that brings me to this delayed "range report". Several weeks ago, now, Nurse Ratched made a weekend visit to the PHX area, and a number of local Morons were invited to go shooting with her and her gracious host,............
  Nurse R put the rest of us to shame firing the ..........

Yeah, if you ever get the chance to go shooting with nurse r, this is the mental state you should begin with.  Otherwise, you will leave embarrassed at your comparative results.    But regardless, everyone who attends, wins with her million dollar attitude and smile.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at April 11, 2021 08:03 PM (sy5kK)

126 Additional 'selling points' for the S&W M64-2 as shown are no internal lock, and no MIM parts. Sweet!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 11, 2021 08:03 PM (DMUuz)

127 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at April 11, 2021 08:02 PM (QjRKG)
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SD - Sig has a precision rifle course, just fyi.

Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2021 08:04 PM (MVjcR)

128 By the way, weasel, if you ever decide to give up coaching firearms, you could maybe teach a few journalists about writing up interviews.

Posted by: Blake ‐ semi lurker at large at April 11, 2021 08:05 PM (1/wzH)

129 Weasel,  I spent the last two days on a Kubota with front end loader.  The orange component of the green question.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 11, 2021 08:05 PM (h3kSW)

130 Posted by: Ben Had at April 11, 2021 08:05 PM (h3kSW)
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nice!  I think the replacement PTO shaft I ordered should be in next week.

Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2021 08:07 PM (MVjcR)

131 Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2021 08:04 PM (MVjcR)
I know.  Taking 2 courses there next month (will do write up of course), I will see about the rifle course. See what it costs and if I take it right after my handgun courses.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at April 11, 2021 08:07 PM (QjRKG)

132

That was weird.  I only pressed "POST", once.  And once only.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at April 11, 2021 08:07 PM (QzJWU)

133 Posted by: Blake ‐ semi lurker at large at April 11, 2021 08:05 PM (1/wzH)
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Ha!  You're too kind!

Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2021 08:07 PM (MVjcR)

134 I do wonder if Biden's EO nonsense on guns is just the latest in an impotent attempt to appease the gun control idiots in their party. I mean, he's only going after stuff that he knows he can attack, like printed guns and hand braces. Might as well outlaw painting a rifle black. 
Maybe they know any real assault (like the rumored 'registration') should get destroyed by the courts. Should, because who knows these days. 

Posted by: AlaBAMA at April 11, 2021 08:08 PM (kTi97)

135 Jim, nurse is Irish, and Catholic.  
Never get between a nurse and her Jameson.
But of course, you are smarter than that.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at April 11, 2021 08:08 PM (sy5kK)

136 I'm on Amazon and  there are a bunch of options for Sabre pepper spray. Can you be  more specific about what I should buy? Bethesda is pretty safe but I am out by myself quite a bit so feel like this would  be a reasonable precaution.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 11, 2021 08:08 PM (sd8p8)

137 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at April 11, 2021 08:07 PM (QjRKG)
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Let's talk before you sign up for the rifle course.

Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2021 08:09 PM (MVjcR)

138

That was weird.  I only pressed "POST", once.  And once only.

 

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX



One 'Post' only, Vasili. 

Posted by: Tonypete at April 11, 2021 08:09 PM (Rvt88)

139 Well, I moved the woodpile. The snake has apparently un-assed the area (if an animal with even less ass than Brie Larson can un-ass anything).

Now I get to rake debris. Goody.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 11, 2021 08:09 PM (mzC78)

140 123

Nurse Ratched..  Pray tell, ma'am, what is your tipple of choice?  Serious question.  If you don't wanna post it, you can write to me or relay via Weasel or several others.  

Whatever it is, you've earned a reward!

 

Jim

Sunk New Dawn

Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at April 11, 2021 08:00 PM (QzJWU)


She likes margaritas.

Posted by: Robert knows

Irish.  Red breast or Writers Tears. I hope to hug you one of these days, Jim.  

Robert, you're bad  


Posted by: nurse ratched at April 11, 2021 08:10 PM (U2p+3)

141 Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 11, 2021 08:08 PM (sd8p
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The link above in the thread should take you to the one Nurse used.

Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2021 08:10 PM (MVjcR)

142 Glad you're okay, Nurse R!
> If  Chipman  gets  confirmed
I don't think that's happening, though. Chip Diller's nomination is dead in the water. Not even Murky will roll over for that. Neither will ManBallsOnChin.



Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at April 11, 2021 08:11 PM (JZT2F)

143 Yeah, if you ever are in the mood to get bit by something venomous, move a woodpile. 

Posted by: AlaBAMA at April 11, 2021 08:11 PM (kTi97)

144 Jeez, who is this RI "Ref" fellow, anyways? Sounds like an a-hole. Scuba, guests can shoot up top for 25 bucks - well worth it. If you have time you can take, proton me.  My spotting skills are improving. I had junior banging steel at 876 yds last week. And I scored some CCI large rifle primers last week @ 11 cents per. 

Posted by: RI Red at April 11, 2021 08:12 PM (6Y47l)

145 Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2021 08:09 PM (MVjcR)
Will do.

Was checking out prices (Yikes) and availability.  Do not think I will try and do one in May.
If there is a NoVAMoMe this year we can discuss.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at April 11, 2021 08:13 PM (QjRKG)

146 90% mental preparation
10% pulling trigger

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 11, 2021 08:13 PM (r6pxQ)

147 Nurse, margaritas we got covered way good.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 11, 2021 08:14 PM (h3kSW)

148 Posted by: Tonypete at April 11, 2021 08:09 PM (Rvt8
LOL!!! I was thinking the same thing!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at April 11, 2021 08:14 PM (QjRKG)

149 Posted by: RI Red at April 11, 2021 08:12 PM (6Y47l)
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RI Ref - would the setup be conducive to a wind reading workshop?

Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2021 08:15 PM (MVjcR)

150 I'm not from Wisconsin, but-

GEEZ LOUISE! So glad I don't have to deal with the threat of being assaulted on my way to work. Having everyone know that your husband and father-in-law will use lethal force to protect you is enough of a deterrent around here.

Posted by: pookysgirl, well-protected but still has a knife block at April 11, 2021 08:15 PM (XKZwp)

151 Slow Joe is kind of an idiot if he thinks he can actually enforce any sort of ban on 3D printed guns.  This is the realm of crypto-anarchists and torrent lords; two decades of being digital outlaws courtesy of the Music Mafiaa has made them very good at not getting caught.

Posted by: CppThis at April 11, 2021 08:15 PM (zcf1k)

152 Yeah, if you ever are in the mood to get bit by something venomous, move a woodpile.  Posted by: AlaBAMA at April 11, 2021 08:11 PM (kTi97)
Not venomous, one of these, but over 30" long:

https://tinyurl.com/euuzp92h

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 11, 2021 08:15 PM (mzC78)

153 136 I'm on Amazon and  there are a bunch of options for Sabre pepper spray. Can you be  more specific about what I should buy? Bethesda is pretty safe but I am out by myself quite a bit so feel like this would  be a reasonable precaution.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 11, 2021 08:08 PM (sd8p

There is a link directly to the mfgr website (and NOT AMAZON) in the 4th question of the Gun Thread reporter conversation.   

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at April 11, 2021 08:15 PM (sy5kK)

154 Jim SND and Ben Had Nurse has also been known to tipple a little bourbon also. 

Posted by: Winston GOPe not one dime, not one vote at April 11, 2021 08:15 PM (5K5BE)

155 Maybe they know any real assault (like the rumored 'registration') should get destroyed by the courts. Should, because who knows these days.  Posted by: AlaBAMA at April 11, 2021 08:08 PM (kTi97)
I hear ya.....but no quarter given. Not an inch. In fact, I want the NFA repealed in all it's illegal shamefulness. I want 3-D printed gun software mandatory on every version of Windows Whatever Version sold. I'm crazy like that. Push back everywhere and anywhere.
They want to get nuts, let's get nuts.
Don't give those commie bastards anything....."Shall Not Be Infringed".

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 11, 2021 08:16 PM (R/m4+)

156 Posted by: RI Red at April 11, 2021 08:12 PM (6Y47l)
Sounds good Red.  I am off that entire week.  My classes will be M - W, I am sure I can spend another day in NH before heading home.
Will send email to you later tonight or tomorrow.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at April 11, 2021 08:17 PM (QjRKG)

157 I didn't share this story for kudos.   I want folks, especially the ettes to take their safety seriously.  No one is going to save you. I had maybe another 2-3 seconds before I was on the ground with the back of my head on the sidewalk.  
I decided to get serious when I started learning how to use a firearm.  That alone set my mind to a state of self reliance. I decided I'm not going to be a victim, if I can help it.  
Set your mind to it.  Be ready to say, "not today, asshole.  Not. Today."

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 11, 2021 08:17 PM (U2p+3)

158 Posted by: RI Red at April 11, 2021 08:12 PM (6Y47l)
_________
RI Ref seemed okay to me. However, the Red guy, not to sure about him.

Posted by: Blake ‐ semi lurker at large at April 11, 2021 08:17 PM (1/wzH)

159
Yeah, if you ever are in the mood to get bit by something venomous, move a woodpile. Posted by: AlaBAMA at April 11, 2021 08:11 PM (kTi97)[/quote I was helping my dad move a woodpile in 1975 when I got bit by a black widow. I remember going to the ER and my dad saying "Quit crying, you're not gonna die." I was eight. He was right though.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 11, 2021 08:19 PM (kTF2Z)

160 Dammit

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 11, 2021 08:20 PM (kTF2Z)

161 Puts me in the mood for some appropriate music.
A live performance of Elmer Bernstein's brilliant "Magnificent Seven" theme.
LINK:  https://youtu.be/4_uF29CKVV4

Posted by: mrp at April 11, 2021 08:21 PM (Pqytn)

162 No ammo thus no possibility for ramge time.  Will this ever end?

Posted by: Les Kinetic at April 11, 2021 08:21 PM (KiBMU)

163 @nurse, you deserve credit for taking care of yourself and for sharing an excellent learning experience for the rest of us.

Posted by: Blake ‐ semi lurker at large at April 11, 2021 08:22 PM (1/wzH)

164 Weasel, a wind reading workshop is exactly what I need! I have a new ( inexpensive) spotting scope and junior's hits had a clear bullet trace I could see (but the 6.5 CM is so darn flat it was way below what I expected). I intend to go next weekend and just spend time with the scope looking at mirage and stuff, then try out my range-finding. 

Posted by: RI Red at April 11, 2021 08:23 PM (6Y47l)

165  "not today, asshole.  Not. Today." Posted by: nurse ratched at April 11, 2021 08:17 PM (U2p+3)

Could nurse have just found the official Horde bumper sticker phrase?  We don't  have an official bumper sticker yet, do we?

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at April 11, 2021 08:23 PM (sy5kK)

166 162 No ammo thus no possibility for ramge time.  Will this ever end?

Posted by: Les Kinetic at April 11, 2021 08:21 PM (KiBMU)


Everything ends.  That's....that's not really an encouragement, maybe.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at April 11, 2021 08:23 PM (uxJPn)

167 Having nonlethal options available is definitely a good idea.  I only carry a pocket knife, but in a self defense situation that's likely to do about as much damage as a firearm.  In my defense, though, I almost never go into the shitty cities and do try to be aware of my surroundings.
Been meaning to score a taser for the few times that I do have to go into the hot zone, though.

Posted by: CppThis at April 11, 2021 08:23 PM (zcf1k)

168 The only caliber that I have in ridiculous amounts is 54r.  I might have to get a PSL out of mothballs.
On the bright side, I make ever shot count now, so there is that.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 11, 2021 08:24 PM (kTi97)

169 Nurse, you just made  a lot of "Ettes aware with your story .  Yes, you  are the example that will go through anyone's mind when confronted and know that you set a guide for  a lot of people.  I would have  shot the  mf'er.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 11, 2021 08:24 PM (h3kSW)

170 Brava, Nurse Ratched, and well done !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at April 11, 2021 08:24 PM (K65Kq)

171 Posted by:RI Red at April 11, 2021 08:23 PM (6Y47l)
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I might be able to arrange that. Let's discuss

Posted by: Ace Open Blog at April 11, 2021 08:25 PM (MVjcR)

172 FYI 'ettes. I just ordered that pepper spray from Amazon for $6.00 free shipping with Prime. The black canister is $6.00, the pink is $8.00.lol

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 11, 2021 08:25 PM (sd8p8)

173
Slow Joe is kind of an idiot if he thinks he can actually enforce any sort of ban on 3D printed guns.  This is the realm of crypto-anarchists and torrent lords; two decades of being digital outlaws courtesy of the Music Mafiaa has made them very good at not getting caught.


What are you talking about?  No one downloads illegally ripped music anymore.  Now they just stream it legally directly from youtube.  Wait, what?

Seriously, though, I bet he's done more for downloads and 80% non-firearms than ever could have been imagined.  People who would never have thought about one before have likely at least looked at how easy it is.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at April 11, 2021 08:26 PM (9aYjv)

174 Nurse Ratched - that's a harrowing story, but I'm glad that you had that non-lethal option at hand, and knew exactly when to use it.  A friend's son spent some time in NYC a few days ago, and was robbed in broad daylight, after being in an initially non-threatening situation that escalated quickly (but was probably planned by the perps).  Having that non-lethal option may have helped in his case.  Discharging a handgun in that situation would have definitely been more trouble than it's worth - in NYC I can easily see an innocent victim get put through the wringer.
Glad you're safe and sound.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at April 11, 2021 08:26 PM (BqCPe)

175 Great job Nurse! 

Posted by: PacosMojo at April 11, 2021 08:26 PM (7qyFl)

176 I had a heck of a morning, been asleep for 3 hours, better now. Wow, what a story from Nurse Rached. You done good, sister! As for me, and a lot of you other guys most likely, a handgun I can deploy easily and which I have practiced. Plus a 3.5" Gerber folder in my right front pocket, same side as my firearm. That's my minimum.

Posted by: Eromero at April 11, 2021 08:27 PM (0OP+5)

177 Was looking at the Sig site.  Most of the Precision Scoped rifle classes are booked for the rest of the year.  And they are expensive.
PSR 101 Precision Scoped rifle $800 3 days PSR 102 Advanced PSR $560 2 days PSR 103 Reach for a Thousand $350 1 day


Posted by: Scuba_Dude at April 11, 2021 08:27 PM (QjRKG)

178 I found an app that works a lot better than a rangefinder for my purposes. I only shoot at stuff that I set up, so GPS Distance meter works great, no distance limit and it has a running total. If you set your shooting position as point A it will give you a current distance until you get where you want to set your targets.

Posted by: ck at April 11, 2021 08:28 PM (iBg56)

179 and yeah, nothing you said gave me the feeling of seeking for approval; making sense and trying to impart hard-earned knowledge , more like ... that said, you still deserve whatever praise you get.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at April 11, 2021 08:28 PM (K65Kq)

180  
I would have shot the mf'er.
--  Ben Had


Investigating officer's notes - "The alleged perpetrator would have survived his injuries had the assaulted woman not field dressed him.
No charges to be leveled." 

Posted by: Tonypete at April 11, 2021 08:28 PM (Rvt88)

181 Bourbon is awesome.
*Sips James E. Pepper 1776 *

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at April 11, 2021 08:28 PM (uxJPn)

182 Weasel as you know I canceled my membership at the local gun range.  Never any practice ammo and I'm not using up what I have.  My husband was talking to his best friend earlier today.  He always carries. He asked my husband how many rounds I had and he busted out laughing when he told him.  He said Jesus Christ! are you expecting a war?  
Well, yes. Yes. I am.
I'm very sad I can't go to the range anymore but I'm not burning  through what I have saved.  If I can score some anytime soon I'll be back there but until then I guess I'll just have to hope my aim is good when it needs it to be.

Posted by: jewells45 at April 11, 2021 08:29 PM (nxdel)

183
Maybe they know any real assault (like the rumored 'registration') should get destroyed by the courts. Should, because who knows these days. 
Posted by: AlaBAMA


Sadly I think it would be trivially easy to just declare it a health emergency and 70% of the country would agree as they put on their third post-vaccination mask made from an old t-shirt.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at April 11, 2021 08:30 PM (9aYjv)

184 WELL DONE, NURSE!!!!!

Posted by: 4 at April 11, 2021 08:30 PM (KnJdm)

185 Haven't been able to get out shooting for a while and the withdrawal symptoms are getting worse. Probably folks know this but Youtube has an amazing amount of information about any firearm, gear or reloading info you are likely to investigate. The value varies greatly but good info is out there. If nothing else, you can watch Jerry Miculek break the sound barrier with his trigger finger.

Posted by: JTB at April 11, 2021 08:30 PM (7EjX1)

186 I keep bidding on a Rock Island 1911 in .38 Super.....what's wrong with me?!!! I do not need another caliber to house and feed.
Or do I?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at April 11, 2021 08:30 PM (uxJPn)

187 Blake, I never trust any refs. Most can't call a game or type worth a damn. Nurse, thanks for sharing. I know that adrenaline spike after it's all over. You done good and have the survival attitude needed. 

Posted by: RI Red at April 11, 2021 08:31 PM (6Y47l)

188 Posted by:Scuba_Dudeat April 11, 2021 08:27 PM (QjRKG)
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I took parts I & II a long time ago, and honestly wasn't that impressed.  I think they added the 3rd part shortly after I was there, but did get to shoot on the 1K range in part II.  The problem, as I saw it, was the class sizes were too large.  Again, that was a long time ago, so things might've changed.

Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2021 08:31 PM (MVjcR)

189
I keep bidding on a Rock Island 1911 in .38 Super.....what's wrong with me?!!! I do not need another caliber to house and feed.
Or do I?

Posted by:Mark Andrew Edwardsat April 11, 2021 08:30 PM (uxJPn)

Do it! You were just going to waste the money on food and shelter anyway.


Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 11, 2021 08:32 PM (kTi97)

190 I forgot that last week I zeroed a Brno Fox .222 and borrowed a friends spotting scope to call for him at the same time. It was a Vortex Viper 20-60. I have been looking at the Vortex Razor for my long range spotting (with the mil reticle to call splash accurately) but the Viper seemed to be very good and I was wondering if the extra $1500 for the Razor was worthwhile. Anyone got any experience with both spotting scopes? Ta muchly.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at April 11, 2021 08:33 PM (bgJ0E)

191
Nurse, you just made a lot of "Ettes aware with your story . Yes, you are the example that will go through anyone's mind when confronted and know that you set a guide for a lot of people.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 11, 2021 08:24 PM (h3kSW)



Situational awareness is key, as well as dispensing with the fairy tale that it can't happen to me. Thought experiments or mental exercises on "what would I do if . . . ." are an invaluable tool. Do them. Share nurse's story with the women in your life. I will, as the wife is WAY TOO trusting. Thank you, Nurse, for sharing.

Posted by: 4 at April 11, 2021 08:33 PM (KnJdm)

192 Bravo Nurse R!

I like the fact that others there made themselves and their thoughts known to you. Knowing you are not alone is empowering.

Posted by: davidt at April 11, 2021 08:34 PM (EdQIG)

193 Tonypete,  Probably not the best choice but  I spend more time shooting at things that will not walk away.  Don't waste ammo on a  poor shot..

Posted by: Ben Had at April 11, 2021 08:34 PM (h3kSW)

194 Posted by:jewells45 at April 11, 2021 08:29 PM (nxdel)
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Hopefully things with ammo are loosening up some, but it can go right back to crisis mode overnight.

Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2021 08:34 PM (MVjcR)

195 https://tinyurl.com/4cw9pzzk
direct link to pepper spray that is nurse-approved. 

Looks like some states restrict from buying it. From their website: For US states that restrict pepper spray sales - find out where to buy in  New York, Washington D.C., Hawaii, and Massachussetts.     
Why does this not surprise me?     

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at April 11, 2021 08:35 PM (sy5kK)

196

Do it! You were just going to waste the money on food and shelter anyway.


Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 11, 2021 08:32 PM (kTi97)


This is the clear thinking I was hoping to get.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at April 11, 2021 08:35 PM (uxJPn)

197 Of note, The pepper spray I used was a stocking stuffer from my oldest son.  He also got me the spray gel.  I did get some blowback from the spray.  My lungs burned for a few minutes.  My skin for an hour or two.  
I also have a taser.  But the one I have requires actual contact with the attacker.  No thank you.  Stop now, mothefucker.  Not.  Today.  

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 11, 2021 08:36 PM (U2p+3)

198 I keep bidding on a Rock Island 1911 in .38 Super.....what's wrong with me?!!! I do not need another caliber to house and feed. Or do I? Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at April 11, 2021 08:30 PM (uxJPn)
Yes.....buy. It is a good investment and I always regret the ones that got away. In my latest patrol of the pawn shops in my AO, I picked up a Star Ultra Star. Cheap too. I do love Spanish pistols. So overlooked, which is a good thing.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 11, 2021 08:36 PM (R/m4+)

199 Hey Weasel,  what brand is the stand you have your spotting scope on? I was really impressed with how easy it was to move the scope around.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at April 11, 2021 08:37 PM (QjRKG)

200 Scored a bunch of .45 Colt XTPs and SWC gas checked hard cast, as well as got on backorder for 500 .45 Colt Starline brass.  I felt like I won the lottery.

Posted by: 4 at April 11, 2021 08:37 PM (KnJdm)

201
FYI 'ettes. I just ordered that pepper spray from Amazon for $6.00 free shipping with Prime. The black canister is $6.00, the pink is $8.00.lol

Posted by:Sharon


I've already got a larger pepper spray that I keep on my keychain but I'm going to order the smaller size with the hand strap for hiking/running:


https://bit.ly/3wNSMnl


And hi Sharon!

Posted by: screaming in digital at April 11, 2021 08:37 PM (kTRt4)

202 Do it! You were just going to waste the money on food and shelter anyway.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 11, 2021 08:32 PM (kTi97

Heard a few people who regretted buying a house. Oddly enough, never met a man who regretted a gun purchase. 

Posted by: AlaBAMA at April 11, 2021 08:37 PM (pUDQf)

203 Weasel, speaking of rifle classes, you just reminded me there's a range in CA that offers a long distance shooting class. They were running two shooters to one instructor, I believe. That seemed like an excellent ratio.

Posted by: Blake ‐ semi lurker at large at April 11, 2021 08:37 PM (1/wzH)

204 Posted by:Scuba_Dudeat April 11, 2021 08:37 PM (QjRKG)
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Manfrotto tripod and pistol grip head. If you're interested I can dig up links later.

Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2021 08:38 PM (MVjcR)

205 grips: weird, I was thinking about the grips on the j-frame today; dunno who made 'em, just a little paper tag inside that says "made in Philippines", but I bought 'em on the recommendation of the retired Chicago cop who owned the store back in the 80's when I bought my first j-frame ... the one that really did get lost in the river while canoeing had the original s&w factory grips at the time - these are kinda not-pretty maybe cocobolo, and Hogue-esque with a round butt and finger grooves, and jeepers, wow, do they snock that piece into position sweet as tupelo honey or what when I practice draw-and snap-shot ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at April 11, 2021 08:39 PM (K65Kq)

206
FYI 'ettes. I just ordered that pepper spray from Amazon for $6.00 free shipping with Prime. The black canister is $6.00, the pink is $8.00.lol


Looking at reviews the pink is just a sticker over the black.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at April 11, 2021 08:39 PM (9aYjv)

207 Weasel, I'm intrigued. I'll proton you tomorrow.  BTW, I'm down in RI right now. Have a p&s on that certain item I've mentioned. Will free up dollars for certain upgrades if it goes through. 

Posted by: RI Red at April 11, 2021 08:39 PM (6Y47l)

208 Maybe some of the COBs can call attention to this tomorrow as not many 'ettes are here on a regular basis. I know it has made an impression on me. We are so totally focused on guns, that it is really good to be reminded that they are  not alwasy the best choice, especially in blue cities where you might get arrested and not the attacker.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 11, 2021 08:40 PM (sd8p8)

209
She likes margaritas. Posted by: Robert knows
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Irish. Red breast or Writers Tears. I hope to hug you one of these days, Jim.
Robert, you're bad Posted by: nurse ratched at April 11, 2021 08:10 PM


I thought, being from Seattle, with the constant walks in the rain, that liking Piña Coladas was required

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 11, 2021 08:41 PM (DMUuz)

210 Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2021 08:38 PM (MVjcR)
If you could email me the links that would be great.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at April 11, 2021 08:41 PM (QjRKG)

211
Maybe some of the COBs can call attention to this tomorrow as not many 'ettes are here on a regular basis. I know it has made an impression on me.

It would be great if JJ of the Morning could link back to this thread.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 11, 2021 08:41 PM (kTi97)

212 I hope Nurse R is extra careful now in that neighborhood, that guy might be looking for her.

Posted by: davidt at April 11, 2021 08:42 PM (EdQIG)

213 Weasel, speaking of rifle classes, you just reminded me there's a range in CA that offers a long distance shooting class. They were running two shooters to one instructor, I believe. That seemed like an excellent ratio.

Posted by:Blake ‐ semi lurker at largeat April 11, 2021 08:37 PM (1/wzH)

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That's the way it should be done!  Or maybe two groups of two.


Posted by: Ace Open Blog at April 11, 2021 08:43 PM (MVjcR)

214 Kudos to the cool headed nurse and thanks for another great gun thread.
L8r h8rs.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 11, 2021 08:43 PM (kTi97)

215 212 I hope Nurse R is extra careful now in that neighborhood, that guy might be looking for her.

Posted by: davidt at April 11, 2021 08:42 PM (EdQIG)


More likely he's going to avoid someone who's sprayed him once already.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at April 11, 2021 08:43 PM (uxJPn)

216 Ok folks.  Calling it a night.  

Thanks again Weasel for an excellent thread as always.
RI Red, will email you soon about next month.
Night all!!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at April 11, 2021 08:44 PM (QjRKG)

217 Posted by:RI Red at April 11, 2021 08:39 PM (6Y47l)
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OK!

Posted by: Ace Open Blog at April 11, 2021 08:44 PM (MVjcR)

218 Don't waste ammo on a  poor shot..

Posted by: Ben Had at April 11, 2021 08:34 PM (h3kSW)

How did you know my late Dad?

Posted by: kid LeftCoast Dawg, starting off on a single shot Henry's 12g, instead of the 870 pump back home at April 11, 2021 08:44 PM (sy5kK)

219 SD - send me an email if I forget.  

Posted by: Ace Open Blog at April 11, 2021 08:44 PM (MVjcR)

220 212 I hope Nurse R is extra careful now in that neighborhood, that guy might be looking for her.

Posted by: davidt at April

I have thought of that and have been even more aware.  Most likely he's so drugged out he wouldn't recognize me, but I've been hyper aware. 

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 11, 2021 08:45 PM (U2p+3)

221 'night, SD!

Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2021 08:46 PM (MVjcR)

222 173 Seriously, though, I bet he's done more for downloads and 80% non-firearms than ever could have been imagined.  People who would never have thought about one before have likely at least looked at how easy it is. Posted by: Moron Robbie at April 11, 2021 08:26 PM (9aYjv)

Hmm...a thought occurs to me.  It's not great secret that I'm quite familiar with the inner workings of the 3D printing industry, and I certainly get asked a lot about the guns.  I'm not sure that I got even a single question about that during the Trump years...but definitely before, and now afterward, it's all anyone wants to hear about.  Coincidence?  Nah.  Telling people who only know about Cody Wilson's legal windmill-tilting about a certain someone's fully functional metal 1911 project never gets old, though.  IIRC they put a couple hundred rounds through it, obviously not consumer grade hardware but quite impressive nonetheless.

And on a totally unrelated note, I'll probably be buying or building about a 8x8x5 inch CNC mill in the not too distant future.

Posted by: CppThis at April 11, 2021 08:46 PM (zcf1k)

223 Took a whack at a running coyote at about 450 yards yesterday. Lead was good elevation wasn't.  The yote was laughing As he ran away. 
Next time I will think the shot better

Posted by: Pete Bog at April 11, 2021 08:46 PM (bzrNB)

224 Another police shooting of a black man in Minneapolis. Riots kicking off again. 

Posted by: AlaBAMA at April 11, 2021 08:47 PM (pUDQf)

225 Speaking of Pina Coladas, saw a video on Posobiec's twitter. He is in Florida. He posted this video of a live band performing on a boat docked by a boardwalk with loads of people sitting around eating drinking smiling singing along and not a godamned mask in sight. It looks absolutely normal. Gorgeous sunny Sunday afternoon down by the water. I was so incredibly jealous.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 11, 2021 08:47 PM (sd8p8)

226
I have thought of that and have been even more aware. Most likely he's so drugged out he wouldn't recognize me, but I've been hyper aware. Posted by: nurse ratched at April 11, 2021 08:45 PM

Loan you a wig? I'll bet he'd never recognize you.

Posted by: Maxine Waters at April 11, 2021 08:49 PM (DMUuz)

227 So, since I've never thought about it before, what are the legal ramifications of spraying someone who hasn't laid hands on you?

Can they file assault charges that you have to try and defend by saying "he was acting like a spastic freak and I was scared" or something similar?

Posted by: Moron Robbie at April 11, 2021 08:49 PM (9aYjv)

228

I've been hyper aware.

Posted by:nurse ratched

If you are hyper aware your stress hormones are up too.Stay up on your nutrition and stress relievers. (spraying weirdos counts as stress relief)

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 11, 2021 08:50 PM (gtatv)

229 212I hope Nurse R is extra careful now in that neighborhood, that guy might be looking for her.
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I'll bet he'll be making space away from Nurse and will probably think twice about harassing anyone else like that because of what Nurse did.

Posted by: dartist at April 11, 2021 08:50 PM (+ya+t)

230 So, since I've never thought about it before, what are the legal ramifications of spraying someone who hasn't laid hands on you?

Can they file assault charges that you have to try and defend by saying "he was acting like a spastic freak and I was scared" or something similar?

Posted by:Moron Robbieat April 11, 2021 08:49 PM (9aYjv)

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Great question!  Anyone?

Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2021 08:51 PM (MVjcR)

231 Ben Had, I sure like your style. Any time anyone ette or not defends themselves successfully, it is a great thing. Time to push back at ALL the assholes out there. Government. Hobos...whatever. Our country... 

Posted by: Jesse in DC at April 11, 2021 08:51 PM (Yp3Ga)

232 Hey y'all. Late to the party but at least I made it before everyone left. Back to the top to skim and reread closer later.

Posted by: Oddbob at April 11, 2021 08:52 PM (qc+VF)

233 wow, it accepted the whole tl:dr ! been slowly using up that plastic practice .38 I mentioned a while ago ... scored a really big multi-layer corrugated box out of a dumpster and turned it into a portable backstop 10 layers thick (more than enough to stop the plastic wadcutter) & big enough to use with a B27? full-size silhouette target, which I have been deploying around the house at random intervals - only a few rounds so far, the idea being that it represents a visibly armed intruder; when I see it I draw and fire with minimal hesitation. pretty good results so far, but I find that practice with both the shoulder, and particularly the DeSantis OWB holsters has made me scary quick, even to me.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at April 11, 2021 08:52 PM (K65Kq)

234
Another police shooting of a black man in Minneapolis. Riots kicking off again.


Those stupid racist republicans keeping the man down after 50+ years of having no control over the city.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at April 11, 2021 08:52 PM (9aYjv)

235
I'll bet he'll be making space away from Nurse and will probably think twice about harassing anyone else like that because of what Nurse did.

Posted by: dartist

If he's a rational person, probably so. Not sure this person is rational.

Posted by: screaming in digital at April 11, 2021 08:53 PM (kTRt4)

236 Back to range stuff. I was surprised at the difference between scoped visuals and being out on the range. The 900, 1000 and 1100 target groups looked like they were on the same plateau. Not so. There was a lot of terrain and several ravines between them. When I was raising dust shooting at 1000, it was actshually low and skimming the 900 yard plateau. Live and learn. 

Posted by: RI Red at April 11, 2021 08:54 PM (6Y47l)

237 https://ncpprc.com/long-range-clinic/

Hah, found a link. Looks like one on one coaching at the line.

Posted by: Blake ‐ semi lurker at large at April 11, 2021 08:54 PM (1/wzH)

238 (GREEN DAMNIT GREEN!!)
Within attacking you distance + "I feared for my life."

Posted by: davidt at April 11, 2021 08:54 PM (EdQIG)

239 Nurse Ratched
All I can add is Huzzah!    I am so glad you are safe. You prepared, and saved your own life.  You are a role model for others.  BZ!
I wish more Americans were like you --smart, well-coordinated, situationally aware, focused on survival, and on target.  
I will tell your story, and maybe get some of that pepper spray vice my usual panoply of tools. 

Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 11, 2021 08:54 PM (u82oZ)

240 All right, time to go watch Monster Squad with the wife, while drunk.
Love to you all, gun up and buy ammo and get ready for the music to finally play.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at April 11, 2021 08:54 PM (uxJPn)

241 There doesn't have to be physical contact for an assault to occur.  Battery comes into play when contact is made.  Presumably, you should be able to defend yourself from assault, preventing it from escalating to assault and battery. That advice may or may not get you 90 days in county.

Posted by: bill in Arkansas not gonna comply with nuttin at April 11, 2021 08:55 PM (I58tH)

242 My wife took me shooting for my birthday. We had fun at the range, then had a nice meal. She's a keeper.

Posted by: bonhomme at April 11, 2021 08:55 PM (i0wNm)

243 Shot muzzleloader rifle for the first time on a loaner, it was a hoot.  Figured I would take a look at buying a rifle-- they are all gone.  Unless one wants to spend $$$.  Any suggestions for a place which might have stock?

Posted by: EdmundBurkesShade at April 11, 2021 08:55 PM (RJCvt)

244 Why would anyone want to remain as a cop in Minneapolis?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 11, 2021 08:56 PM (kTF2Z)

245 Weasel! Guns! 
Way to go, Nurse R.

Posted by: callsign claymore at April 11, 2021 08:58 PM (VOaa7)

246 Moron Robbie
They can file charges for anything. See the McCloskeys in St Louis. Getting a conviction is another matter. 
Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

Posted by: Pete Bog at April 11, 2021 08:58 PM (bzrNB)

247 Why would anyone want to remain as a cop in Minneapolis?

Posted by uke Lowell

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 11, 2021 08:58 PM (gtatv)

248 Posted by:bill in Arkansas not gonna comply with nuttinat April 11, 2021 08:55 PM (I58tH)
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Yep.  I understand the threat constitutes assault, based on my exhaustive legal research on the internet.

Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2021 08:59 PM (MVjcR)

249 I'm just guessing here but if someone's got their hands on you, it might already be too late to defend yourself...

Posted by: screaming in digital at April 11, 2021 08:59 PM (kTRt4)

250 All kudos to Nurse R for keeping her head in a split-second moment of decision. So glad you're OK. Now, back to the top again...

Posted by: Oddbob at April 11, 2021 08:59 PM (qc+VF)

251
Any suggestions for a place which might have stock?


Midway seems to have stuff going in an out of stock, and I think you can sign up for alerts if you see something you're interested in.  Brownells does it, too, IIRC.  The sky is the limit on what you want to spend, but it's hard to beat one of the cheapo Traditions 50 caliber rifles to get your feet wet.

You might have some luck finding kits that you finish assembling, but I haven't looked at those in years.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at April 11, 2021 08:59 PM (9aYjv)

252 Posted by:callsign claymoreat April 11, 2021 08:58 PM (VOaa7)

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howdy, cc!

Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2021 09:00 PM (MVjcR)

253 but wait, there's more ! non-lethal ... for reasons best known to TPTB, pepperspray is deprecated in Wisconsin, but my CCL allows me to carry a "billyclub", which I interpret as one of those telescoping batons, and carry only in "heavy mode" when I probably have two guns and the Gerber MkII in addition ... think visiting Milwaukee or Madison ... honestly I am not really comfortable with the thing, I would rather have a good can of Chemical Mace or equivalent, but ... maybe the next time I go down to Illinois ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at April 11, 2021 09:00 PM (K65Kq)

254 > They can file charges for anything. See the McCloskeys in St Louis.
I saw that the Soros-owned prosecutor has been kicked off the case by a higher judge, and that the Governor has promised an instant pardon in the (unlikely) event they're actually convicted.


Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at April 11, 2021 09:01 PM (JZT2F)

255
I'm just guessing here but if someone's got their hands on you, it might already be too late to defend yourself...


Yeah, that's what I think, too, but the legal system is, as I'm told, an ass.  I was just sort of wondering what one might expect if they decided to spray a thug or crazy.

"Your honor, I could've shot him, but I chose not to.  Should I've?"

Posted by: Moron Robbie at April 11, 2021 09:01 PM (9aYjv)

256 Why would anyone want to remain as a cop in Minneapolis? Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 11, 2021 08:56 PM (kTF2Z)
Mary Tyler Moore weeps.....

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 11, 2021 09:02 PM (R/m4+)

257 maybe the next time I go down to Illinois ...
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Knees and arms, knees and arms.

Posted by: dartist at April 11, 2021 09:02 PM (+ya+t)

258 Usual caveats - this is not legal advice (although I will be quick to accept a retainer). What Nurse R faced is the difference between assault and battery. The latter involves "an unwanted touching", the former is putting a reasonable person in fear of battery. If assaulted, you are generally ok to use proportionate force to defend against being battered. *lots of legalese deleted to avoid boredom* I'd say the pepper spray was spot on. Heh, spot on.

Posted by: RI Red at April 11, 2021 09:02 PM (6Y47l)

259 Posted by:bonhomme at April 11, 2021 08:55 PM (i0wNm)
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Nice!  What did you shoot (gun-wise)?

Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2021 09:03 PM (MVjcR)

260
which I interpret as one of those telescoping batons


Those are interesting things, sort of like switchblades.  Definitely do your own research, but from what I've read they're legal right up to the point where they're concealed unless your concealed carry permit specifically mentions them.

We have them on our bicycles.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at April 11, 2021 09:04 PM (9aYjv)

261 Slightly OT but if you still have Netflix there's a great documentary called To Be of Service.  It's about service dogs that have helped vets with PTSD.  I was crying.

Posted by: jewells45 at April 11, 2021 09:04 PM (nxdel)

262 > Nice! What did you shoot (gun-wise)?
H&K P2000 in .40 and a Sig Sauer P229 in 9mm.

Posted by: bonhomme at April 11, 2021 09:04 PM (i0wNm)

263 Posted by:RI Red at April 11, 2021 09:02 PM (6Y47l)
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thanks!

Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2021 09:04 PM (MVjcR)

264 not specifically mentioned, but how would anyone conceal an old-school cop billyclub anyhow ?

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at April 11, 2021 09:07 PM (K65Kq)

265 Posted by:bonhomme at April 11, 2021 09:04 PM (i0wNm)
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Very nice.  Sounds like you married well.  Congratulations!

Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2021 09:07 PM (MVjcR)

266 Weasel @ 230- Can they file assault charges? We should know in these days 'n times, anybody that can find a 'lawyer' can sue anybody and some have as good a shot of getting a 'ruling' as anybody else. I would vote to acquit in this case.

Posted by: Eromero at April 11, 2021 09:07 PM (0OP+5)

267 234 Those stupid racist republicans keeping the man down after 50+ years of having no control over the city. Posted by: Moron Robbie at April 11, 2021 08:52 PM (9aYjv)

I know, right?!?  Good thing the burbs are making up for it by going DFL at an alarming rate.  They're also butthurt that real estate developers are building apartment complexes full of those dirty plebs and cube-farm kulaks in their wine-sipping donkey barns.  There is no way that any of this ends well.

Well, at least it's not my problem anymore.  While I wasn't happy about losing a great job in that area, it occurred to me at the time that with the big city burning and a bleak forecast thanks to limp-dick local pols, my corporate frenz might have been doing me a favor by removing any incentive I might have had to stick around.  Watching a once decent if disconcertingly liberal state run itself into the ground in the 2010s wasn't my favorite part of the experience, though.

Posted by: CppThis at April 11, 2021 09:08 PM (zcf1k)

268
...but the Viper seemed to be very good and I was wondering if the extra $1500 for the Razor was worthwhile. Anyone got any experience with both spotting scopes? Ta muchly.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at April 11, 2021 08:33 PM (bgJ0E)

NZFrank.  I have the top end Vortex Razor 27x60x85, Angled Eyepiece scope.  It sits atop a stout Bogen 3040 tripod, with a Manfrotto squeeze-grip, ball head mount.

If you'll recall, up here in the Northern Hemisphere, we had that Saturn/Jupiter "Convergence" late last year?  Well, I set that rig up on my back deck, and the results were incredible.  We were counting individual Rings of Saturn, and the moons of Jupiter were clearly and individually accounted for.

Not only, but in optical terms, the performance was insane.  The moons were perfect wee dots of light.  Not ovalized, not fuzzy-edged, not double-visioned in any way whatsoever.  The COLORS of Saturn and it's rings were astounding. 

The pity was, I did not yet own my Nikon Df DSLR and 'scope adapter. I've remedied that, but I'll never again get to see that image in the glass.

So, I don't know the Viper spotting scope in comparison, but I can damn well recommend the Razor, without one nanosecond's hesitation.  That said, I have the Gen 1 Viper PST, 4x16x50, 2nd focal plane, MOA turrets & reticle, on my AR.  It is also a superb glass.  About 95% of Nightforce or Vortex Razor (with it's 35mm tube diameter) performance, for a fraction of the price.  ONE downside.  It is not as bulletproof as a Nightforce.  ONE Huge Upside.  You can't beat the Vortex LIFETIME (true lifetime) Guarantee.  They HONOR it.

Whatever your choice, you're not going to buy a bad scope.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn

Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at April 11, 2021 09:08 PM (QzJWU)

269 Scored a bunch of .45 Colt XTPs and SWC gas checked hard cast, as well as got on backorder for 500 .45 Colt Starline brass. I felt like I won the lottery.

Posted by:4at April 11, 2021 08:37 PM (KnJdm)


Good news is- backorder for Starline has been literally Two Weeks. At least has been for the couple of weeks.

Posted by: Burnt Umber at April 11, 2021 09:08 PM (/Dgcm)

270 No DA is going to take up a case against a women defending herself with PS from a drugged up street shit. 

Posted by: AlaBAMA at April 11, 2021 09:09 PM (pUDQf)

271 Nurse R listened to her gut. Good for her.
Gavin de Becker's "Gift of Fear" is a worthwhile read, y'all. More chaos is headed our way.


Posted by: callsign claymore at April 11, 2021 09:10 PM (VOaa7)

272
No DA is going to take up a case against a women defending herself with PS from a drugged up street shit.


That's an interesting point.

What if it's a man?

Posted by: Moron Robbie at April 11, 2021 09:10 PM (9aYjv)

273 For years, AIM Surplus and J&G Sales (and others) had boxes of Model 64s and other law enforcement turn-ins, for good prices, and for years I just had to look at them, as these handguns are not on CA's infamous "roster".  Which, as you may know, if based on gunz being "safe".

Among the thousands of easy stories about scandalously outrageous stupid/indefensible public policies and laws out there, one examining how it is that handguns used by military, law enforcement, and private owners around the globe (without problems) are not "safe" in CA.  Unless the manufacturer pays a few thousand $ every year.

AND, now, includes non-existent technology ("micro-stamping") in each model.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 11, 2021 09:11 PM (OTzUX)

274 Posted by:Eromero at April 11, 2021 09:07 PM (0OP+5)
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Geez - I don't know.  I'm pretty sure anyone can pretty much file anything they want in today's day and age.  I can tell you I'd have squirted him and taken my chances.

Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2021 09:11 PM (MVjcR)

275 ah, Jim, innit the truth, the things we've seen and never had a camera for ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at April 11, 2021 09:12 PM (K65Kq)

276 No DA is going to take up a case against a women defending herself with PS from a drugged up street shit.

Posted by:AlaBAMA

It goes back to 'judged by 12 vs. carried by 6'.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 11, 2021 09:12 PM (gtatv)

277 FYI, Andrew Branca has an excellent deal going on his book "The Law of Self-Defense: Principles.  http://lawofselfdefense.com/freebook
It's not actually free, there's a $7.95 S&H charge. You can get a three-copy bundle (w/some added bonuses) for you and a couple of friends. This book has been highly-recommended by several regular commenters here.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 11, 2021 09:12 PM (DMUuz)

278 Jim (Sunk New Dawn) told me to read this week so I'm here. 
Hi Nurse R! Glad you're ok.

Posted by: Gingy at April 11, 2021 09:13 PM (8GXvx)

279 That's an interesting point.

What if it's a man?

Posted by: Moron Robbie at April 11, 2021 09:10 PM (9aYjv


I'd guess the odds go from zero to 2% chance. 

But I guess it depends on the DA. 

Posted by: AlaBAMA at April 11, 2021 09:13 PM (pUDQf)

280
  I can tell you I'd have squirted him and taken my chances.


Yep.  I wonder what the law says about spraying and then beating the fool out of him because you were worried he might get up and keep attacking people if you didn't?

(this is said in jest.  I know you stop the threat and un-ass the area)

Hmm...  You know, this whole wearing a mandated mask and hiding your identity from the world thing might not be a horrible idea...

Posted by: Moron Robbie at April 11, 2021 09:14 PM (9aYjv)

281 Well how crushing is it to read about NZFrank casually buying Thompsons and other full-auto treasures, as if he found a good sale on porterhouse steaks or something?

Of course the water swirls the wrong way in his toilet, and he has to drive on the wrong side of the road, and everyone around him talks funny. 

But still.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 11, 2021 09:14 PM (OTzUX)

282 Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 11, 2021 09:12 PM (DMUuz)
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Andrew Branca checks in here from time to time!

Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2021 09:15 PM (MVjcR)

283 Andrew Branca 
He offered price reductions for Morons when I bought his stuff. 

Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 11, 2021 09:16 PM (u82oZ)

284 Would be nice to see Mr. Branca drop in to comment again.

He's doing daily coverage of the Chauvin trial, posted at Legal Insurrection, for those interested.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 11, 2021 09:16 PM (OTzUX)

285 enNice "shooting" nurse ratched!
Being here in California I can't break the law all the time carrying in my vehicle. One thing I keep with me at all times are tactical gloves. Sometimes depending on the area of town or on occasion I get the feeling I should have them, I put them in a back pocket. They're little bulky but at least I have them. It might sound ridiculous because depending on how quick something happens you can't call timeout so you can put your gloves on but sometimes you just get a feeling as nurse ratched did. I keep a pair in both of my vehicles in the event that someone is road raging on me, following me to a gas station or grocery store or wherever. If I can avoid confrontation I will but if I'm basically cornered and I see trouble coming I put them on. I have had to deploy them a couple times. Most of the time in my experience if you square up with someone and they can tell you mean business (and have pissed me the fuck off) they'll think better of it. Put the gloves on and square up and I think it gives the  other person the impression of being "outgunned". Sometimes that might be all thats needed. My job depends on me having healthy functioning hands and if any of you have ever been in a real fight and you hit someone on the head in the wrong place or start wrestling on the ground, you will break something in your hand. The gloves at least give me the comfort of knowing I can swing and hit and not be so choosey or conscience about it. Some of the gloves are a little spendy and protection varies but IMO it is a worthwhile investment

Posted by: JROD at April 11, 2021 09:16 PM (0jZnq)

286 Damn, I spaced. Wonder what happened. Oh well.

Posted by: JROD at April 11, 2021 09:19 PM (0jZnq)

287 Way to go, nurse ratched! Way to keep your cool and do what needed to be done. Good on you. 

Posted by: bluebell at April 11, 2021 09:19 PM (wyw4S)

288 weasel, eromero, we're dealing with a couple of issues, civil and criminal. If civil, the scumbag has to convince a lawyer to take the case (on a contingency, which means the lawyer is pretty sure they'll win; otherwise, no pay, or hourly with money up front). If criminal, the scumbag has to make a complaint to the cops, who may investigate and report to a DA, who has to find probable cause to make an arrest. * more legal mambo jumbo omitted* Under the facts in the instant case, Nurse R can sleep soundly. 

Posted by: RI Red at April 11, 2021 09:19 PM (6Y47l)

289 Posted by:rhomboid at April 11, 2021 09:16 PM (OTzUX)
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If I'd been thinking I would have sent him an email and invited him to comment this evening if he had time.

Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2021 09:20 PM (MVjcR)

290 JROD that's interesting, I've never even heard of such gloves.

My impression is that you're a fairly fit/athletic sort, so the situation you describe (basically "looking" like an aggressor or predator, not the slowest gazelle in the herd) should offer good prospect of deterrence.

I can think of two cases where I attempted to appear as an undesirable target, simply by expression, alertness, and carrying myself "aggressively".  Don't know if it worked, but nothing happened.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 11, 2021 09:20 PM (OTzUX)

291 Umbrella-sword. Don't leave home without it.

Posted by: John Steele at April 11, 2021 09:20 PM (EdQIG)

292
I've remedied that, but I'll never again get to see that image in the glass. Posted by: Jim at April 11, 2021 09:08 PM

Jim, don't be so pessimistic. It will happen again (albeit higher in the sky) on March 15, 2080.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 11, 2021 09:21 PM (DMUuz)

293 Posted by: bluebell at April 11, 2021 09:19 PM (wyw4S)
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Howdy!

Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2021 09:21 PM (MVjcR)

294
Manfrotto tripod and pistol grip head.
I liked JimSND's tripod head -- with the horizontal pistol instead of vertical like Weasel's -- that I ebay'ed one just like it as soon as I got home from the MoMe.

Posted by: Oddbob at April 11, 2021 09:25 PM (qc+VF)

295 Hi Weasel! I actually understood the gun thread this evening. At first I thought I would only understand the first sentence (I used to like the color green) but I kept going and I understood most everything!

Posted by: bluebell at April 11, 2021 09:25 PM (wyw4S)

296
Perp is lucky. Bluebell would have shived him.

Posted by: RI Red at April 11, 2021 09:25 PM (6Y47l)

297 " I can tell you I'd have squirted him and taken my chances." THIS ! my own "defensive use of weapons" policy started evolving decades ago, carrying a mini 22 and a knife in the big city, in violation (and defiance) of all law and reason under the "judged by 12 / carried by 6" clause: if feasible, just keep walking or run away, ("break contact") and wait until, well, whateffenever. say nothing, ever. If the "law" gets involved, SAY NOTHING ! and call your lawyer. back in those days I had 100's of $ already in the hands of one of the best defense attorneys in town, waiting for a call to a number I had memorized.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at April 11, 2021 09:25 PM (K65Kq)

298 Late to the dance, but Nurse R. pretty much did textbook self defense moves.  Kudos. 
Some long backordered parts (m16 style extractor for Rem 700 project, came in plus a new rigid teslong bore scope is also due in tomorrow.  Have the flexible one but rigid borescopes are also useful when diagnosing chambers,  barrels, and throats.
Regarding primers, the best bet is to go to local gun stores that carry reloading supplies.  BTW, there is now an adapter where you can use small rifle primers with your blackpowder rifles.  People are reporting a bit better accuracy and less variability between shots. 
CDNN sports in Abilene TX is one of the places that still has rifles in stock and Aim Surplus in OH has also had some.  80% receivers are in panic buying situation.  But, pick up a Firearms Talk magazine and they have some less traveled vendors for such things. 

Posted by: whig at April 11, 2021 09:26 PM (pO7gM)

299
I can think of two cases where I attempted to appear as an undesirable target, simply by expression, alertness, and carrying myself "aggressively". Don't know if it worked, but nothing happened.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 11, 2021 09:20 PM (OTzUX)



I've only had near-fight confrontations happen twice as an adult, and both times I got REALLY LOUD immediately and drew as much attention to the person as possible, making sure everyone around me knew I was concerned about being attacked and wasn't the aggressor.

And yes, thanks for the glove suggestion.  I've got mechanics gloves with reinforcements at the knuckles for routine pains while working on stuff, but never seen any that were tools for other things.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at April 11, 2021 09:26 PM (9aYjv)

300
Of course the water swirls the wrong way in his toilet, and he has to drive on the wrong side of the road, and everyone around him talks funny.
But still.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 11, 2021 09:14 PM

On the other hand, I've had more than one Digger inform me that for some reason, the sheep in New Zealand are always smiling.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 11, 2021 09:26 PM (DMUuz)

301 OK - 9:30ish Thank You time!
Thanks everyone for hanging in there this week.  Things have been a little bumpy, blog-wise, but seem to be smoothing out.  I'll return to the usual format next week, and as always, hope you can join the conversation.  I sincerely appreciate you all choosing to spend part of your weekend here!
Finally, a bigly Gun Thread thumbs-up to Nurse R.  Great job!

Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2021 09:27 PM (MVjcR)

302 You know, I might start wearing a mask in public.  And I might never stop.

Safety first.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at April 11, 2021 09:29 PM (9aYjv)

303 Posted by: bluebell at April 11, 2021 09:25 PM (wyw4S)
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Always a pleasure to have you here!

Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2021 09:30 PM (MVjcR)

304 Thank you, Weasel!

Posted by: callsign claymore at April 11, 2021 09:30 PM (VOaa7)

305 Hi bluebell!
I hope you don't ever have to go to nasty areas in your state.  
Thank you weasel!  I hope my story helps someone else prepare to be their own best defense. 
Smooches 

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 11, 2021 09:31 PM (U2p+3)

306 297 and call your lawyer. back in those days I had 100's of $ already in the hands of one of the best defense attorneys in town, waiting for a call to a number I had memorized. Posted by: sock_rat_eez at April 11, 2021 09:25 PM (K65Kq)

This is a great idea, too: get the lawyer part sorted out ahead of time.  I wish I'd done that with contract law; and I knew that what ultimately happened was eventually going to happen, so more the fool me for not being better prepared.

Posted by: CppThis at April 11, 2021 09:31 PM (zcf1k)

307 Posted by:callsign claymoreat April 11, 2021 09:30 PM (VOaa7)

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my pleasure, cc!

Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2021 09:31 PM (MVjcR)

308 G'night folks. 
One reminder, the most likely legislation at the state level would be mag limits.  If you like your regular cap magazines for AR's AK's,and your pistols, you should consider getting some while the getting is good and before panic buying hits. 
Magazines are a wear and tear item for pistols and rifles.   One small advantage for revolvers there. 

Posted by: whig at April 11, 2021 09:31 PM (pO7gM)

309 I joked, among the select few that even knew I carried, that the mini 22 looked like a cig-lighter flame oughta come out of it, and realistically expected to have to fire it for it to be believed. fortunately, perhaps, the only two times I actually drew down on someone it was with one or another of the 1911's so that issue did not arise, at all, at all.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at April 11, 2021 09:31 PM (K65Kq)

310 Perp was lucky.  I've seen what Nurse R can do with a 1911.  Glad she's on my side. 

Posted by: Diogenes at April 11, 2021 09:32 PM (axyOa)

311 Re Undesirable target - when shopping, sans mask, of course, I wear my "resting bastard face" and it has worked perfectly through yesterday. Store manager approached parroting the NH mask edict, to which I politely and quietly said, "Medical exemption." Good thing she backed off. I would have sprayed her. 

Posted by: RI Red at April 11, 2021 09:32 PM (6Y47l)

312 Posted by:nurse ratchedat April 11, 2021 09:31 PM (U2p+3)
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thanks so much for sharing the story!

Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2021 09:33 PM (MVjcR)

313 I have no faith in (most) law enforcement, and no confidence any court can be just these days, bot seeming to be on the criminal's side. Think of how Bernard Goetz was treated, and I thought that was a clear self defense case. I'm no lawyer though.

Posted by: Eromero at April 11, 2021 09:33 PM (0OP+5)

314 woops, howdit get so late ! thanks as always Weasel !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at April 11, 2021 09:34 PM (K65Kq)

315 I'm thinking about Bernard Goetz now.

Posted by: Eromero at April 11, 2021 09:35 PM (0OP+5)

316

Weasel, this might not've been the "shootiest" Gun Thread you've yet posted, but I can guar-damn-tee-ya, it's certainly one of the Most Important that you ever will have posted, period.

I am humbled and proud of Nurse Ratched's performance, beginning to end and beyond.  Likewise, I'm humbled and proud to be associated with such a Horde of Hordians as this.

You'll do, Horde.  You'll do.

Jim

Sunk New Dawn

Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at April 11, 2021 09:35 PM (QzJWU)

317 Posted by:sock_rat_eezat April 11, 2021 09:34 PM (K65Kq)
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happy to do it sock rat!

Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2021 09:35 PM (MVjcR)

318 Thanks as always Weasel.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at April 11, 2021 09:36 PM (9aYjv)

319 Weasel, thanks for another great thread. And it was wonderful to see the pup restored to the limnlight.

Posted by: JTB at April 11, 2021 09:38 PM (7EjX1)

320 Posted by: Jim at April 11, 2021 09:35 PM (QzJWU)
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Thank you, Jim.  I appreciate that.  In fact, it's why I didn't include a lot of other content tonight (besides WD).  Nurse felt it was important to get the message out and I wholeheartedly agree.  It is that important.

Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2021 09:38 PM (MVjcR)

321 @290 rhomboid-I am fit and do have the physique that says maybe I shouldn't be f'ed with but times have changed. It's not uncommon to have guys, especially groups of younger ones, that will all pile on you all at once. I'm not talking necessarily pencil necks but guys that you would look at and assess that they could handle themselves easily one on one.
Another thing I've run into is just walking in a mall or your local nightlife type area where guys that quite frankly aren't big enough to do the shoulder bumping/run into you type BS. I'm sizable enough to be a dickhead like that but I was born with manners and I can't stand people that do that shit. If there is room enough for me to move I'll excuse myself and act accordingly. Not nowadays, I've practically tripped myself at times getting out of some clowns way, said something calling them out and they just walk on and ignore you. When I see this type of thing coming I've resorted to just stopping dead in my tracks, stand still and let them go around. Sometimes its gotta be done.
I have a rule and my grandfather taught me this a long time ago. Don't walk around with your head down. Keep your head up, look, make eye contact non-aggressively and keep your damn hands out of your pockets (he hated that) and most of the time people will not mess with you. He taught me situational awareness a long time ago.

Posted by: JROD at April 11, 2021 09:39 PM (0jZnq)

322 Yeah, second SND Jim. Most definitely applicable to self defense and situational awareness.  Good on ya, Weasel. Did I sound like a Kiwi?

Posted by: RI Red at April 11, 2021 09:39 PM (6Y47l)

323 Hey everybody! Hey gun thread! Hey Weasel!

I hear the green guns are the most lethal...

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 11, 2021 09:39 PM (L2ZTs)

324 Umbrella-sword. Don't leave home without it. Posted by: John Steele at April 11, 2021 09:20 PM (EdQIG)
I want that KGB umbrella with the poison tip thing. Could really come in handy once in awhile.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 11, 2021 09:39 PM (R/m4+)

325 Posted by:Moron Robbieat April 11, 2021 09:36 PM (9aYjv)
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absolutely my pleasure!

Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2021 09:40 PM (MVjcR)

326 been thinkin' 'bout bernie goetz for 40 years, carryin' anyway ... not that I have much confidence in the judged by 6 clause any more ... but there you have it in a nutshell, innit, amirite ? LOL !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at April 11, 2021 09:40 PM (K65Kq)

327 Posted by: JTB at April 11, 2021 09:38 PM (7EjX1)
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Thank you JTB!

Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2021 09:40 PM (MVjcR)

328 ;-)

Posted by: ty77 at April 11, 2021 09:41 PM (B5RxW)

329 sock_rat_eez, Bernie Gaetz's biggest mistake was being a New Yorker. I have a hunch if he were a Texan there'd be several towns named after him by now.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 11, 2021 09:41 PM (L2ZTs)

330 LAW ! ... HUH ! ... Good G-d y'all ! ....

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at April 11, 2021 09:42 PM (K65Kq)

331 Posted by: RI Red at April 11, 2021 09:39 PM (6Y47l)
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positively!

Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2021 09:42 PM (MVjcR)

332 With that, I'm out of here. Thanks, Mr. Proprietor, Nurse R and all you gunnies. As Jim said, "You'll do."

Posted by: RI Red at April 11, 2021 09:43 PM (6Y47l)

333 Posted by:qdpsteve at April 11, 2021 09:39 PM (L2ZTs)
--- howdy!

Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2021 09:43 PM (MVjcR)

334 sock_rat_eez knows his Motown

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 11, 2021 09:43 PM (L2ZTs)

335 Weasel,
Thank you so much for this thread.
Just had a conversation with my wife on Nurse R and her actions.  
And you now have staff adding to this thread. Bravo,  good sir.  Bravo.  

Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 11, 2021 09:44 PM (u82oZ)

336 Weasel, howdy-do. :-) Was thinking I found your million-dollar idea a few days ago, if you wrote a Horde-published book on how to mill, manufacture and assemble DIY firearms and small munitions. Sheeeooot, you've already got most of written via these Gun Threads.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 11, 2021 09:46 PM (L2ZTs)

337 Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 11, 2021 09:44 PM (u82oZ)
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Thanks, Salty.  I'm just happy to be a part of the community effort.

Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2021 09:46 PM (MVjcR)

338 Weasel,  Thank You and sweet dreams, my friend.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 11, 2021 09:47 PM (h3kSW)

339 Posted by: qdpsteve at April 11, 2021 09:46 PM (L2ZTs)
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Sounds like a lot of work!

Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2021 09:48 PM (MVjcR)

340 Thanks Weasel. Good topic.

Posted by: dartist at April 11, 2021 09:48 PM (+ya+t)

341 Posted by: Ben Had at April 11, 2021 09:47 PM (h3kSW)
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Goodnight, dear friend!

Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2021 09:49 PM (MVjcR)

342 Weasel, true except that I believe you've already done a lot of it via these weekly posts. Anyway, just an idea. I have great plots on how everyone and anyone can become insanely wealthy, except for myself. ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 11, 2021 09:49 PM (L2ZTs)

343 Thanks Weasel. Good topic.

Posted by:dartistat April 11, 2021 09:48 PM (+ya+t)

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Thank you.  It is really really important and I am very glad it's made people think.  I know Nurse R is too!

Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2021 09:50 PM (MVjcR)

344 Posted by: qdpsteve at April 11, 2021 09:49 PM (L2ZTs)
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Thank you! I really need to get rid of my day job!

Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2021 09:51 PM (MVjcR)

345
I hope my story helps someone else prepare to be their own best defense.

Yes, it did. Thank you for writing and talking about it so effectively and clearly. I hope and pray nothing like this ever happens to you again. But you are Prepared. So glad you're okay. 
Many thanks to you too Weasel!

Posted by: screaming in digital at April 11, 2021 09:52 PM (kTRt4)

346 How about a knife that sticks out of the shoe like Jim West or Rosa Kleb?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 11, 2021 09:52 PM (63Dwl)

347 iffen you got one for me, pass it on and I'll cut you 10 % ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at April 11, 2021 09:53 PM (K65Kq)

348 ONT is up everyone!  Enjoy the rest of your evening and hope to see you all again next Sunday!  Goodnight!

Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2021 10:00 PM (MVjcR)

349 "How about a knife that sticks out of the shoe like Jim West or Rosa Kleb?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr."


Them things can backfire  



Posted by: Jethro Bodine at April 11, 2021 10:05 PM (Tnijr)

350
How about a knife that sticks out of the shoe like Jim West or Rosa Kleb?
Heh. Funny how the gun thread intersects with James Bond movies. Upthread, somebody mentioned an AR-7 which was prominently featured in a Bond movie. Actually maybe it was the same one as Rosa Kleb -- From Russia With Love.

Posted by: Oddbob at April 11, 2021 10:05 PM (qc+VF)

351 Six or eight years ago, I was in Boston, near Chinatown in the evening looking for a place for dinner.  As I turned down the street I noticed a few black guys coming and going from a door and one began to meander in my direction.  He was not as large as me and it was clear he intended to shoulder-bump me.  He was not staggering so I am pretty sure it was intentional.  
As a former linebacker and wrestler, I adjusted my shoulder and lowered it just as he arrived and I made a good solid contact with him.  He deflected since I had mass and momentum.  I said nothing but continued to walk though I used my peripheral vision to check for company.  He moved off in the opposite direction without saying anything.  I went to the corner, checked my six, moved toward an area with better light, and entered the first restaurant I saw to make sure I didn't have company.  
Nothing more came of it.  I went back three nights later but I took a different route to Chinatown.  I don't go looking for trouble.  

Posted by: wareagle82 at April 11, 2021 10:06 PM (+Kpte)

352 Quite late, but WTG, Nurse Ratched!

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at April 11, 2021 10:20 PM (Agr8U)

353 One thing; self defense "experts" (I have no idea what their qualifications are) would say she should have called the police to report the incident.
The theory goes that in some cases the potential perp may call the police first and make you the bad guy. I guess it's happened often enough to show up on their radar.
Me? I think I would've walked on since there was no property damage and no other person was involved.  So I agree with what the Nurse did. I just thought I would mention this for the sake of hearing other people comment and for nurse ratched to comment if she's inclined.
Good for you. I have thought myself that I don't like the idea of carry one of my larger caliber pistols. Makes me a bit self conscious. I have no problem carrying my 380. I may also arm myself with some of this pepper spray so as to have an option if the circumstances clearly are better dealt with as a non lethal situation.
Once again Good for you Nurse and thank God you were not hurt.

Posted by: Jakee308 at April 11, 2021 10:30 PM (LS3oW)

354 Canes could be a pretty good defensive item if used effectively. Anyone with bayonet training could imagine how. I have several sturdy ones I unfortunately I have the need to use.

Posted by: Javems at April 11, 2021 10:32 PM (8SSHh)

355 So my brother has hyperhydrosis in his hands. They sweat all the time. He carries a hand towel with him all the time. I used to travel internationally all the time for work and we got to talking and he told me that I needed to pack a hand towel and a National Geographic magazine with me. And he was absolutely correct. They'll sail right through TSA checks and are great self defense weapons if necessary. At home I carry a CRKT M21-14SFG and a firearm of some sort. The blade usually rides in a jacket pocket with my hand on it or clipped to my front jeans pocket. 

Posted by: Spartans! Prepare for Glory! at April 11, 2021 10:45 PM (Xqlct)

356 Sabre is the brand that most police carry. They also make a gel that lets you spray from a distance and it only affects what it makes contact with.
Won't blow back in your face. (this is what the website says.)
I think I would get the gel cause getting spray in my face being older may cause me breathing problems.
Very inexpensive and legal to carry and to use. EXCEPT if you use it to assault someone say who you want to make go away but hasn't done anything that threatened you.
Like they say, it's what the cops use. It's got one of the highest heat ratings.

Posted by: Jakee308 at April 11, 2021 10:45 PM (LS3oW)

357 I wish I still had my .38 Ivers Johnson revolver. IJ  put the special in the Saturday Night Special.
Very simple. No swing out for cylinder. Release for wheel axle and pull that out and out comes the cylinder.
I thought I'd get another one so I could carry a quick reload but it got stolen. (dang it)
It was very reliable. Because it was so simple. The timing mechanics were probably the most complicated part of it. No fancy hammer. No Safety. Did have a half cock to prevent a blow from pushing the hammer into a primer.

Posted by: Jakee308 at April 11, 2021 10:50 PM (LS3oW)

358 FC sutler had cap’n’ball revolvers in stock at pre-nutso prices last week. They also had muzzleloader rifles. If you dig around the rifle kits are available from several suppliers.  Problem then is finding caps, powder, and projectiles.  I’m down to a dozen or so #10 caps for the pistols but did score a couple hundred #11 magnum for the rifles.  Black powder is a hoot to shoot and the guns are very accurate once you fine tune the load.  Also, most places will still allow  mail order of the guns - the Feds don’t consider them to be firearms.  The usual gang of scum and villainy (looking at you, NY, Mass, NJ, Md) do prohibit that. Given what’s happening in my adopted home state and Virginia, I’ve been introducing friends to the cap and ball guns.  

Posted by: Coelacanth at April 11, 2021 11:06 PM (OCzl8)

359 Nurse did good. Back in the day, I was an O.C. (pepper spray) Instructor. Nurse did not hesitate.  She sprayed and bugged out. Pepper spray does not guarantee the instant stop of an attacker. It takes three to five seconds for it to affect vision and up to thirty seconds (or until a breath is drawn) to affect breathing. I have been sprayed many times in training it is not instantly debilitating.   A person can easily move twenty feet in that amount of time O.C. begins to work. At the end of class I would chose a person on whom I would simulate a bull rush attack. The successful strategy was to spray and RUN away before I could lay hands on. The only times I have seen someone stop immediately when O.C. is presented is when that person had been sprayed at sometime in the past.  They did not want to repeat the experience. Oh, and since I am doing the wall of text:  if you are carrying a taser and O.C. check your O.C. For the carrier component. Law enforcement went to a water-based carrier a fair number of years ago, because the oil-based carrier would catch on fire if you tased someone after you had sprayed them.  Flaming hobos screaming through downtown Seattle might draw too much attention, but might make the next cookbook.



Posted by: waepnedmann at April 11, 2021 11:54 PM (yfNXZ)

360 Thankfully you are ok Nurse R.  Read your story to the wife as I was putting her to bed - she has a CC and is in charge of the security team at her church. She immediately ordered the same spray for when she cannot carry.  Interesting to note - they sell practice cans.  We ordered three.  

Posted by: Coelacanth at April 11, 2021 11:54 PM (OCzl8)

361 BP primers are out there. If four petal is your thing... or can bet a nipple size for it.
There are reputable mail-order companies that carry and are not listed by ammoseek etc. The hard part is diving deep into google etc to find them.
Same with powder.
Even worse with primers.

Posted by: Burnt Umber at April 12, 2021 12:04 AM (/Dgcm)

362 Oh. There is another successful strategy after spraying an attacker and that is, depending, on the threat presented, and that is to consider the deployment of the O.C. a distraction strike prior to upping the level in your use of force continuum to anything from voice commands, going hands on, batons, or lethal force.  (I think we can skip the voice commands at this point). I will tell you that going hands on after spraying someone is not an option you will want to repeat.

Posted by: waepnedmann at April 12, 2021 12:09 AM (yfNXZ)

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