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March 05, 2014

Pope Francis: The Church Could Support Civil Unions
— Ace

Hmmm. He reaffirms the church's opposition to gay marriage, but says the church could, maybe, support some types of civil unions.

So what I'm trying to say is that he's an incorrigible, relentlessly hateful bigot who supports Jim Crow for gayz. Anyone who supports Barack Obama's 2007-2011 publicly announced position from 2012 onwards is just a H8r.

Timing is everything.

The Pope reiterated the church's longstanding teaching that "marriage is between a man and a woman." However, he said, "We have to look at different cases and evaluate them in their variety."
For instance, civil unions provide financial security to cohabitating couples, "as for instance in medical care," the Pope said in a wide-ranging interview published Wednesday in Corriere della Sera, an Italian daily.
A number of Catholic bishops have supported civil unions for same-sex couples, including Pope Francis when he was Archbishop of Buenos Aires in 2010, according to reports in National Catholic Reporter and The New York Times.
But Wednesday's comments are "the first time a Pope has indicated even tentative acceptance of civil unions," according to Catholic News Service.
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"The situation in which we live now provides us with new challenges which sometimes are difficult for us to understand," the Pope told leaders of religious orders, adding that the church "must be careful not to administer a vaccine against faith to them."

That last statement seems important, signaling, as it seems to, that Francis' prioritization is bringing the Word to everyone, and avoiding positions which would "vaccinate" people against hearing it.

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1 Yeah, homosexuality is fine!

Posted by: Babylon -mother of whores at March 05, 2014 08:47 AM (ysCLj)

2 How would the Catholic Church handle civil unions? I'm not sure they would perform them, would they? They would just accept them as the story indicates.

Posted by: EC at March 05, 2014 08:48 AM (GQ8sn)

3 I'm not a pope . but isn't that the correct answer ?

Posted by: willow at March 05, 2014 08:48 AM (nqBYe)

4 Kosher Bacon can't be far off.

Posted by: garrett at March 05, 2014 08:48 AM (OU4/+)

5 Before they went above ground Gaystapo, I supported it. Now? Fuck 'em. Rot in hell.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at March 05, 2014 08:48 AM (Ffrka)

6 Interesting that we see the destruction of the American Republic and Catholic Church happening at the same, in both cases by elevating members of the left to be its leaders.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 05, 2014 08:48 AM (P3U0f)

7 Unless I missed it, the Pope hasn't talked publicly about what a good choice "12 Years A Slave" was for Best Picture. Is he a racist?

Posted by: Vladimir Putin at March 05, 2014 08:49 AM (B5y+v)

8 EC, I think He indicates civil unions. although i might have this wrong.

Posted by: willow at March 05, 2014 08:49 AM (nqBYe)

9 And now I'm gonna be subjected to about 20 blog posts "clarifying" what the Pope said from the usual band of Catholic bloggers crying "ALL IS WELL" like Kevin Bacon in Animal House.

Posted by: Paul Zummo at March 05, 2014 08:49 AM (Ud5vq)

10 Posted by: EC at March 05, 2014 12:48 PM (GQ8sn) I don't think they would, but.......

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at March 05, 2014 08:49 AM (Ffrka)

11 Please never forget that the patron saint of the gay Left, Harvey Milk, was vehemently against the idea of gay marriage.

Posted by: AmishDude at March 05, 2014 08:50 AM (T0NGe)

12 Not Catholic. But we must keep in perspective that while we are supposed to love all God's created people, the church is supposed to be different from the world. It's all over the NT. I've always thought civil unions are OK, but I'm not sure why the Pope had to come out and say this, or why he couldn't just talk about civil unions as being a way for any two unmarried people to make legal arrangements. I guess I'm just wary of churches being too "open".

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 05, 2014 08:50 AM (r+7wo)

13 Oh, and it is interesting that after the revelations about rampant homosexual abuse in the Catholic Church that not only did the church do anything of note about the underlying cause, but seems to be doubling down...

Posted by: 18-1 at March 05, 2014 08:50 AM (P3U0f)

"Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things. Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen. For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error."

Romans 1:22-27 ESV

The "vaccine against faith" the Pope refers to is codified in the very Word he hopes to bring. Only a fool could fail to see this.

Posted by: RedWhiteAndTrue at March 05, 2014 08:51 AM (RHyYH)

He is a South American liberation theologist down in his DNA. End story

Fr. Pfleger in Chicongo is a more unalloyed equivalent.

The RCC will do exactly what it must to maintain its' power, influence and money. The Pink Mafia have been working in the belly for decades. Read "Windswept Tower" by outcast priest Malachy Martin

Posted by: FedUpwithPC Bullshit at March 05, 2014 08:51 AM (zP6J5)

16 Where'd I put them 95 Theses?

Posted by: Martin Luther at March 05, 2014 08:51 AM (I0DcF)

17 It's perfectly normal.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 05, 2014 08:51 AM (aDwsi)

18 The Vatican Cafeteria announces new menu including Fish Taco Friday.

Posted by: garrett at March 05, 2014 08:51 AM (OU4/+)

19 lol perhaps i'll just go clean something AGAIN.

Posted by: willow at March 05, 2014 08:51 AM (nqBYe)

20 You're a little late to the party, Pope.

Posted by: The MSM, Now With 20% More Objectivity at March 05, 2014 08:51 AM (8ZskC)

21 What does he mean by 'support' civil unions? Is he saying that the church is now okay with unrepentant sinners? Or just that they will not be excommunicating politicians that support SSM?

Posted by: toby928© embraces tribalism at March 05, 2014 08:52 AM (QupBk)

22 Pope Iscariot Francis.

Posted by: Citizen X at March 05, 2014 08:52 AM (7ObY1)

I'd like to see the Catholic hierarchy moved to a poor community in Africa, or maybe Asia. Why should the capital of the RC church be in Rome, a city where the wealthy have played for generations?

Stand with the poor: move the Vatican!

Posted by: MTF at March 05, 2014 08:52 AM (B5y+v)

24 Harvey Milk, was vehemently against the idea of gay marriage.
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Virtually everyone was until about 20 years ago.

Back in the early 00s it was normal to see the argument that the State Media was on its last legs, but looking at their triumph with "gay marriage" it looks like they have actually moved into a new, Orwellian level where they can create support, out of whole cloth, for ideas that were considered ludicrous a generation before.

This will not end well.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 05, 2014 08:52 AM (P3U0f)

25 Remember how Jesus refrained from telling the woman caught in adultery to "go and sin no more" so He wouldn't vaccinate her against becoming a follower?

Posted by: Mindy at March 05, 2014 08:52 AM (RMfGb)

26 I humbly suggest that Pope Francis should consider giving up interviews for Lent. These never go well.

Posted by: Paul Zummo at March 05, 2014 08:53 AM (Ud5vq)

27 14 - The Apostle Paul was a self loathing homosexual. That is why he said those things.

Posted by: Episcopal Bishop John Shelby Spong at March 05, 2014 08:53 AM (aDwsi)

28 The Word is whatever I say it is. - Popety-Pope

The Law is whatever I say it is. - JugEared Fuck

I plead the Fifth. - Lois Lerner, Inquisitor

Posted by: kathysaysso at March 05, 2014 08:53 AM (6H6o8)

29 Remember how Jesus didn't tell the rich young ruler to sell all his possessions in order to avoid vaccinating the young man against following Him?

Posted by: Mindy at March 05, 2014 08:54 AM (RMfGb)

30 Hey Popus, please tell me what other parts of Catholic belief are now optional. Please. I'm all ears. Can I eat meat on Fridays now during Lent?

Posted by: Citizen X at March 05, 2014 08:54 AM (7ObY1)

31 Pope Francis also approved of buggery, but only conditionally as long as the object is pregnancy.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 05, 2014 08:54 AM (8ZskC)

That last statement seems important, signaling, as it seems to, that Francis' prioritization is bringing the Word to everyone, and avoiding positions which would "vaccinate" people against hearing it.

Well, yes. And that's smart. And of course it has parallels in The Hordeistan. If conservatives keep shouting Fags! and Abortion! it will vaccinate young people against the movement and we won't have a chance against the Leviathan state repressing freedom and spending the future.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at March 05, 2014 08:54 AM (A0sHn)

33 For instance, civil unions provide financial security to cohabitating couples, "as for instance in medical care,"

Spiritual union, mooching off an employer's health coverage...tomato, tomahto.

Posted by: HR at March 05, 2014 08:54 AM (ZKzrr)

34 Just say no to Vaccines!

Posted by: Jenny McCarthy at March 05, 2014 08:54 AM (OU4/+)

35 A civil union is nothing but a contract. Any decent law grad could write up just about every "benefit" of being married except for the taxes.* In some ways, you could even tailor them to have "better" benefits than a standard state-law marriage. *That should be an argument to change tax law, not marriage definition.

Posted by: AMDG at March 05, 2014 08:54 AM (t7OO0)

36 Again, why does the Pope have to comment on civil unions, especially in this Gaystapo environment? It's like wanting to be liked by the cool kids. That's not the way the Gospel is spread. Again, FTR, I have no problem with civil unions.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 05, 2014 08:54 AM (r+7wo)

37 This will not end well.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 05, 2014 12:52 PM (P3U0f)

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For you guys.....

Posted by: Pedophiles, Polygamists and Hedonists Everywhere at March 05, 2014 08:54 AM (nELVU)

Sounds like the pope is taking bargaining lessons from the GOP. Offer your final option as the opening bid.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 05, 2014 08:54 AM (eoeps)

39 Let's try again after locking up.

This Pope strikes me as more socialist than religious. How can he support "civil unions" which are just another word for homosexual activities which are supposed to be a sin?

Posted by: Vic[/i] at March 05, 2014 08:54 AM (T2V/1)

I've always thought civil unions are OK, but I'm not sure why the Pope had to come out and say this

Agree. Civil unions are a legal solution to the problem of inheritance and other property issues for couples who aren't otherwise eligible for the legal protections of marriage. Why would the Pope even speak about this?

Posted by: MTF at March 05, 2014 08:55 AM (B5y+v)

41 So the Pope is saying that the Church would recognize the civil authority's right to determine a civil matter? Ummm. This is news because why?

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at March 05, 2014 08:55 AM (VtjlW)

Posted by: kathysaysso at March 05, 2014 08:56 AM (6H6o8)

43 For instance, civil unions provide financial security to cohabitating couples, "as for instance in medical care," Spiritual union, mooching off an employer's health coverage...tomato, tomahto. Posted by: HR at March 05, 2014 12:54 PM (ZKzrr) Yeah, I couldn't believe that statement. So now, we're supposed to support cohabitation?

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 05, 2014 08:56 AM (r+7wo)

44 25>> Well stated Mindy

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 05, 2014 08:56 AM (drXjQ)

45 Pope Iscariot Francis. Pope Nicolae Carpathia.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 05, 2014 08:56 AM (pHivF)

46 And that whole Jesus thing? Too divisive. We're dropping that part. On the plus side, we will now feature healthy, arugula-flavored, Mooch-approved eucharists for your eating pleasure. We have them in Kosher and Halal too.

Posted by: The Popus at March 05, 2014 08:57 AM (7ObY1)

47 Francis, you need to lighten up and not worry what 'man' thinks. Concentrate on GOD. I feel bad for devout and faithful Catholic Christians. Their church done runnedoff and left them. Y'all are welcome at Presbyterian PCA, where we use catholic with the little 'c'. Martin Luther, John Huss and John Calvin were right, it seems.

Posted by: Erowmero at March 05, 2014 08:57 AM (1gcFZ)

48 Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at March 05, 2014 12:55 PM (VtjlW) +1.

Posted by: AMDG at March 05, 2014 08:57 AM (t7OO0)

49 Can I eat meat on Fridays now during Lent?

Come for the l'il smokies, stay for the jello salad.

Posted by: Lutheran World Federation at March 05, 2014 08:57 AM (ZKzrr)

50 Condoms : Bad. Gay Buttsex : We'll look the other way.

Posted by: Pope Francis at March 05, 2014 08:57 AM (OU4/+)

51 The Interpreter ‏@Interpreter_Mag Ukraine Liveblog: Director of Personnel for Ukraine's State Border Service reportedly abducted in Yalta http://bit.ly/MNNMrq 1750 GMT: A Ukrainian official has reportedly been kidnapped in Yalta, in Crimea. The Interpreter has translated the report from Pravda.com.ua: In Crimea, unknowns have abducted the director of personnel for the Administration of the State Border Service, Mikhail Koval. This information was confirmed to Ukrainskaya Pravda by Sergei Astakhov, assistant head at the State Border Service. In his words, Â“there are concrete grounds for saying that he has been captured by unknown persons.Â” Â“WeÂ’re making approaches to law enforcement agencies and making every effort to find him,Â” he said. Earlier, Euromaidan SOS reported that Koval had been Â“kidnapped outside a military installation near Yalta.Â” Â“According to an eyewitness, Russian bikers stopped M.V. KovalÂ’s car, slashed its tires, and took off with the border official.Â” Earlier on Wednesday, he attended a meeting with staff from the Border Service in Balaklava, at which a representative of the pro-Russian Crimean leadership tried to persuade border guards to go over to the Russian side. Border officials have also reported pressure and threats against both them and their families.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 05, 2014 08:57 AM (ZPrif)

52 Posted by: Erowmero at March 05, 2014 12:57 PM (1gcFZ) Assemblies of God welcomes you too.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 05, 2014 08:58 AM (r+7wo)

53 Mary was probably just some nice lady who took in the budding community organizer, Jesus. We're dropping the whole Mary thing as well.

Posted by: The Popus at March 05, 2014 08:58 AM (7ObY1)

54 Let he who is without appreciation of a finely-muscled male buttock cast the first stone.

Posted by: Stuff Jesus Probably Said, But Didn't Get Written Down, vol. 3 at March 05, 2014 08:58 AM (8ZskC)

55 He has also said that the church should not "interfere" in the spiritual lives of gays and lesbians. **BOING** WTF?!?

Posted by: toby928© embraces tribalism at March 05, 2014 08:58 AM (QupBk)

56 How far the Catholic Church has fallen.

Posted by: D-Lamp at March 05, 2014 08:58 AM (bb5+k)

57 Martin Luther [...] and John Calvin were right, it seems.
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What does Martin Luther King jr have to do with underwear?

Posted by: Your Average Obama Voter at March 05, 2014 08:58 AM (P3U0f)

58 Y'all are welcome at Presbyterian PCA, Thanks, but no dumb statement from the Post is going to make me abandon the Eucharist.

Posted by: Paul Zummo at March 05, 2014 08:59 AM (Ud5vq)

59 Etu, Pope Francis?

Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at March 05, 2014 08:59 AM (9+ccr)

I wonder if the Pope was speaking of civil unions in response to pressures on the church to approve gay marriage, pressures you would expect he would strongly oppose.

In other words, maybe he's saying "hey, there are civil unions available-- you don't need a church marriage!". That's a position which was "progressive" and "tolerant" right up until the Democrats decided it was the essence of hate and a violation of civil rights on a par with racial segregation.

Posted by: MTF at March 05, 2014 08:59 AM (B5y+v)

61 How old is this guy? Any chance of him keeling over anytime soon?

Posted by: Judge Pug at March 05, 2014 08:59 AM (6Nj7A)

2 -

Civil unions, by definition, would not be handled by the Church.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 05, 2014 09:00 AM (TOk1P)

63 Attentionus, attentionus: We're adding womyn priests now too. And all priests, men and womyn, can now have all the secks they want. Especially with each other, that would be good. Or with dogs. Who cares? Whoopie!

Posted by: The Popus at March 05, 2014 09:00 AM (7ObY1)

64 Look out, Jesus is coming and he is pissed. Look busy.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 05, 2014 09:00 AM (HVff2)

65 Have this guy report to my office immediately.

Posted by: St. Peter at March 05, 2014 09:01 AM (8ZskC)

66 53 Let he who is without appreciation of a finely-muscled male buttock cast the first stone. Posted by: Stuff Jesus Probably Said, But Didn't Get Written Down, vol. 3 at March 05, 2014 12:58 PM (8ZskC) I always admired the male statutes with the snap on boobs, converting them to women..

Posted by: Judge Pug at March 05, 2014 09:01 AM (6Nj7A)

67 A very polite way of saying, FUNQ

Posted by: phreshone at March 05, 2014 09:01 AM (Q6pxP)

68 Pope Francis has been misquoted and his statements are routinely distorted so I'm always extremely skeptical when I read something he supposedly said in the press.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 05, 2014 09:01 AM (zfY+H)

69 So looking across the board are there any significant national or international institutions the New Left has not captured?

From the Republican Party to the RCC we see the "conservative" institutions of our day adopting lines that would have been unthinkable even a single generation ago.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 05, 2014 09:01 AM (P3U0f)

70 I was definitely under the impression that the church was all about interfering in people's spiritual life. I'll bet he doesn't lift my excommunication though.

Posted by: toby928© embraces tribalism at March 05, 2014 09:02 AM (QupBk)

71 Biggest problem for the Church in Latin America was not the secular Left leaving over gay marriage -- but parishioners leaving for evangelical Protestant churches. Don't think this will solve that problem.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 05, 2014 09:02 AM (ZPrif)

72 I'll no longer be wearing the gown and pope hat. The Left mocks me for that. From now on, I'll be wearing assless chaps and a leather dog collar when I appear in pubic. Tee hee...I meant PUBLIC. I'm such a naughty Popus. How ya like me now?

Posted by: The Popus at March 05, 2014 09:02 AM (7ObY1)

73 Headline: Political Correctness Has Firm Hold on Catholic Church.

Posted by: Soona at March 05, 2014 09:02 AM (pHRUK)

It's lunchtime, so I'm going to leave this and go.

I've always been a supporter of civil unions. It's time for Churches and other religious institutions to get out of the business of having ANYTHING to do with the state's certification process of these things.

Let the state unionize anybody and anything they like.

Leave the Church alone to sanctify the unions it deems worthy of the term "marriage."

Posted by: BurtTC at March 05, 2014 09:02 AM (TOk1P)

75 I know these 2 dudes who are married. They just had a kid with 2 women who are married as well. One of the women carried the baby. Nobody knows who the father is, since the sperm was mixed together. The 2 dudes look nothing like each other so I assume they'll know once the baby grows up a little, based on looks.

This is the new world we live in folks. You can't just wish it away.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 05, 2014 09:02 AM (0LHZx)

76 Well he didn't say priests were going to start officiating these civil unions, which would just be a secular state-run thing. Won't stop the usual suspects from working themselves up into a frenzy that the Pope is a secret left-wing progressive.

Posted by: brak at March 05, 2014 09:02 AM (NaTky)

77 54 He has also said that the church should not "interfere" in the spiritual lives of gays and lesbians.

**BOING** WTF?!?

Posted by: toby928Â© embraces tribalism at March 05, 2014 12:58 PM (QupBk)

WTF indeed. The Bible is pretty clear about homosexuality.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 05, 2014 09:03 AM (DrWcr)

78 44 Thanks, Mr. Jarhead!

Posted by: Mindy at March 05, 2014 09:03 AM (RMfGb)

79 The Pope knows the Left runs everything, and he doesn't want to be destroyed by them. Simple enough.

Posted by: Null at March 05, 2014 09:03 AM (xjpRj)

80 33 For instance, civil unions provide financial security to cohabitating couples, "as for instance in medical care," Cohabiting couples don't need financial security. One of them should get up off of her lazy ass and get to work. Why do we have marriage? Because our species reproduces sexually. (I can't believe this needs to be spelled out.) Marriage is the heteronormative institution. It exists so that women can get various financial benefits because -- through ordinary sexual activity -- they can get pregnant and produce the next generation. We have, traditionally, been in favor of having a next generation. Any "benefits to married couples" are predicated on this fact and enable a couple to reproduce without devastating financial consequences. A same-sex couple cannot -- no matter how much they wish it -- produce a child through ordinary sexual activity. If they want to have a child, they can and must plan for it, both financially and otherwise. Therefore, marriage is not necessary for them. While heterosexual women who breed are at a social disadvantage because of the time they spend to bear and rear children, lesbians and men are not. Therefore, gay marriage is nothing but a #WarOnWomen.

Posted by: AmishDude at March 05, 2014 09:03 AM (T0NGe)

81 So the Pope is saying that the Church would recognize the civil authority's right to determine a civil matter? Ummm. This is news because why? Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. Insightful as always. Perhaps we should have a summary of this position; something like, "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's..." etc. I dunno, just spitballin' here.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, future overlord of the winter wastes at March 05, 2014 09:03 AM (naUcP)

82 11 Please never forget that the patron saint of the gay Left, Harvey Milk, was vehemently against the idea of gay marriage. Posted by: AmishDude at March 05, 2014 12:50 PM (T0NGe) The "Norm" for Male homosexuality is an endless line of promiscuous sex partners. "Marriage" is completely contradictory to the preferences of the vast majority of male homosexuals. Why by one "cow" when you can get an entire herd for free? "Marriage" is just a political tactic for normalizing their conduct. Few want it for real, and won't utilize it if they had it.

Posted by: D-Lamp at March 05, 2014 09:03 AM (bb5+k)

83 Pope Still Reactionary, But Hat Is Fabulous

Posted by: The Advocate at March 05, 2014 09:03 AM (8ZskC)

84 It's really not a slippery slope. Trust us.

Posted by: Archbishop of Canterbury at March 05, 2014 09:03 AM (0FSuD)

85 When churches start normalizing sin is a big sign of the return of Christ and the last days. I don't expect people with no discernment to understand it, but to see supposed Christians say its fine is frightening. Normalizing deviant behavior within the church is what "reaping the whirlwind" was all about.

Posted by: Babylon -mother of whores at March 05, 2014 09:03 AM (ysCLj)

86 OT from NRO: Thomas "Kooky" Friedman is keeping his eye on the ball: IÂ’d also raise our gasoline tax, put in place a carbon tax and a national renewable energy portfolio standard Â— all of which would also help lower the global oil price (and make us stronger, with cleaner air, less oil dependence and more innovation). You want to frighten Putin? Just announce those steps.

Posted by: WalrusRex at March 05, 2014 09:03 AM (9qilP)

87 Let's see, the only thing my church has dropped has been the lime jello with veggie shavings in it at pot luck.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 05, 2014 09:04 AM (HVff2)

88 Anyone who supports Barack Obama's 2007-2011 publicly announced position from 2012 onwards is just a H8r. See my hash

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at March 05, 2014 09:04 AM (R8hU8)

89 Interesting. Brave. He's right in that there are a lot of gay Christians. Some people just do not get this. What other faith embraces you, no matter what, versus hang you for your sexuality? Civil unions are rarely disputed. After all, some gay couples stay together longer than straight couples. Changing the definition of marriage was always a hot button issue (understandably for those with deep faith). Will he push for recognition of women priests (preisetesses), next?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 05, 2014 09:04 AM (IXrOn)

90 Too bad they don't want civil unions.

Posted by: RWC at March 05, 2014 09:04 AM (fWAjv)

I've got a better idea. How about the state get out of the business of marriage?

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 05, 2014 09:04 AM (eoeps)

92 Well he didn't say priests were going to start officiating these civil unions, which would just be a secular state-run thing. Then what is he saying? I have no idea why he's saying anything about it, especially in the context of vaccinating sinners against the faith. It must make sense in Vulgate or something.

Posted by: toby928© embraces tribalism at March 05, 2014 09:05 AM (QupBk)

93 This on Ash Wednesday? Will the pope give up smoking dope and hanging out with gheys for Lent? Please.

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 05, 2014 09:05 AM (0FSuD)

94 Any decent law grad could write up just about every "benefit" of being married except for the taxes.*

I used to know a guy in a "loving triad" who incorporated the three-way as an LLC; less for the taxes and more for making sure he didn't lose pre-relationship assets if one of the other partners wanted to leave.

That's next, btw.

Posted by: HR at March 05, 2014 09:05 AM (ZKzrr)

95 Romans 1:22-27 ESV The "vaccine against faith" the Pope refers to is codified in the very Word he hopes to bring. Only a fool could fail to see this. Posted by: RedWhiteAndTrue at March 05, 2014 12:51 PM (RHyYH) Not to mention that in the bible the normal response to discovering enclaves of homosexuality is to wipe out the cities where it is found.

Posted by: D-Lamp at March 05, 2014 09:06 AM (bb5+k)

96 That gay ice skater, Johnny Twink, was hauled into court by his bf for biting him. The defense was "I'm gay!"

Posted by: Judge Pug at March 05, 2014 09:06 AM (6Nj7A)

97 This is the new world we live in folks. You can't just wish it away. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 05, 2014 01:02 PM (0LHZx) And your point is.... We are talking about the RCC here not whether people make crazy arrangements to overcome the fact that reality makes it so that it is impossible for children to proceed from certain types of unions.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 05, 2014 09:06 AM (r+7wo)

98 Retweeted by Jim Hoft Patrick Dollard ‏@PatDollard Senate Blocks ObamaÂ’s White-Hating, Cop Killer-Loving Nominee http://is.gd/JBmjIh

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 05, 2014 09:06 AM (ZPrif)

99 This is the new world we live in folks. You can't just wish it away. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 05, 2014 01:02 PM (0LHZx) Yes. I. Can.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 05, 2014 09:06 AM (HVff2)

100
Not far enough for the gay lobby.

Full blown (no pun intended) marriage with all bells and whistles is what they demand. Full Catholic (or other denom.) wedding with priest, white dress, the whole enchilada, or wedding cake, as the situation dictates (no pun again).

Posted by: Sphynx at March 05, 2014 09:06 AM (OZmbA)

101 41 So the Pope is saying that the Church would recognize the civil authority's right to determine a civil matter? Ummm. This is news because why? Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at March 05, 2014 12:55 PM (VtjlW) ******* I think people are having trouble with the word civil and the separation of church and state.

Posted by: tasker at March 05, 2014 09:06 AM (RJMhd)

102 IÂ’d also raise our gasoline tax, put in place a carbon tax and a national renewable energy portfolio standard Â— all of which would also help lower the global oil price (and make us stronger, with cleaner air, less oil dependence and more innovation). You want to frighten Putin? Just announce those steps.

Posted by: WalrusRex at March 05, 2014 01:03 PM (9qilP)

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Jeebus..... they're gonna get us all killed.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 05, 2014 09:07 AM (nELVU)

103 "Marriage" is completely contradictory to the preferences of the vast majority of male(s) No qualifier. The main job of society is to figure out what to do with the male sex drive.

Posted by: AmishDude at March 05, 2014 09:07 AM (T0NGe)

104 "Francis' prioritization is bringing the Word to everyone, and avoiding positions which would "vaccinate" people against hearing it."

So don't tell Hitler that killing Jews is bad? Then he'll listen?

Posted by: Dang at March 05, 2014 09:07 AM (MNq6o)

105 The Gaystapo is not interested in settling for civil unions or gaining some "equal" status in marriage. They are only interested in achieving superiority and rubbing the breeders noses in it forever. They're socialists after all. its what they do.

Posted by: Jaws at March 05, 2014 09:07 AM (eKZp1)

106 Earlier on Wednesday, he attended a meeting with staff from the Border Service in Balaklava, at which a representative of the pro-Russian Crimean leadership tried to persuade border guards to go over to the Russian side.

Border officials have also reported pressure and threats against both them and their families.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 05, 2014 12:57 PM (ZPrif)

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In other words, Putin wants all of the Ukraine, not just the Crimea.

Posted by: Soona at March 05, 2014 09:07 AM (pHRUK)

107 Not to mention that in the bible the normal response to discovering enclaves of homosexuality is to wipe out the cities where it is found. As if I need that reason to want to see teh San Andreas turn San Francisco into an open gravel pit?

Posted by: Brother Cavil, future overlord of the winter wastes at March 05, 2014 09:07 AM (naUcP)

108 He's our historic first Episcopalian Pope.

Posted by: --- at March 05, 2014 09:08 AM (MMC8r)

109 Wow, Limbaugh was just talking about Barack as a Senator helped to negotiate the agreement to give up their nukes as well as a boatload of conventional weapons. Wasn't Putin the VP for Yelsen? Has anyone check to see if Putin contributed to Barack campaign funds? Conspiracy tin foil hat could have a field day with this. The two of them have been planing this all along?

Posted by: Paladin at March 05, 2014 09:08 AM (lP8dE)

110 Does this mean I can have meat today ?!?

Posted by: RWC at March 05, 2014 09:08 AM (fWAjv)

111 I've decided that "Our Father"is paternalistic and sexist. From now on, the prayer will be known as "Our Gaia." The Popus has spoken.

Posted by: The Popus at March 05, 2014 09:08 AM (7ObY1)

112 That the Pope would even utter a line such as 'a vaccine against faith' is astonishing.

There is no 'right time' and 'right place' for the Word of God. It is not something to be deployed at just the right moment. It is eternal and inviolate. It is our job to spread the word, and God's work to bring it to fruition. We are not to look around for the right circumstances for speaking of God's salvation.

The leader of the Catholic Church ought to understand this. I am at a loss.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at March 05, 2014 09:08 AM (9LuAk)

113 Does this mean I can have meat today ?!? In more ways than one apparently.

Posted by: toby928© embraces tribalism at March 05, 2014 09:08 AM (QupBk)

114 35 A civil union is nothing but a contract. Any decent law grad could write up just about every "benefit" of being married except for the taxes.* In some ways, you could even tailor them to have "better" benefits than a standard state-law marriage.

*That should be an argument to change tax law, not marriage definition.
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Yes.

Every radical leftist queer knows this.
Everyone who has even browsed the issue knows this.

So, you have to questions their motives--if they can already legally get what it is they claim they have a "civil right" to, then, what are they really after?

Remember when they all swore the most solemn of oaths that "civil unions and no more?"

How's that--entirely reasonable and fair--compromise been working out?

How many of those states that agreed to their compromise still have civil unions on the books?

Or has their relentless lawfare forced marriage each and every time--betraying the agreement--even to the point of overturning a fricking constitutional amendment?

Posted by: RoyalOil at March 05, 2014 09:08 AM (VjL9S)

115 What other faith embraces you, no matter what, versus hang you for your sexuality?

Eleven flavors of paganism, assorted American Indian beliefs (maybe; could be another one of things the LGBTTTQQSAVF community says but isn't really true), Gaiaism, Fascism...

But your premise...Christians haven't embraced my sexuality ("hideously unlovable") at all, but they have told me I'm going to Hell for it.

Posted by: HR at March 05, 2014 09:09 AM (ZKzrr)

116 And Ice Queen Weir had that domestic abuse charge filed against him before the Olympics even started. Think a straight guy would have been celebrated and feted by NBC on their Olympic coverage if he'd had a domestic assault charge for *biting* a chick filed right before the Olympics? Think maybe they would have found a replacement?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 05, 2014 09:09 AM (ZPrif)

117 103 "Marriage" is completely contradictory to the preferences of the vast majority of male(s) No qualifier. The main job of society is to figure out what to do with the male sex drive. Posted by: AmishDude at March 05, 2014 01:07 PM (T0NGe) ************* You're telling me!

Posted by: China! at March 05, 2014 09:09 AM (RJMhd)

118 Obama, Holder dealt crushing blow ...

WASHINGTON--The U.S. Senate narrowly defeated President Obama's nominee to oversee the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division due to Republican and law enforcement objections to the role he played in the defense of convicted cop-killer Mumia Abu-Jamal.

Only 47 senators, all Democrats, voted to advance Debo Adegbile's nomination while 52 senators voted to block him, including 7 Democrats. Vice President Biden presided over the vote in the event he could break a tie, which was unnecessary after Democrats failed to muster enough support.

Adegbile's defeat occurred even after Senate Democrats last year unilaterally changed the Senate rules on judicial and executive nominations to lower the threshold from 60 to a simple majority of votes to end a filibuster.

Posted by: I am not woman at March 05, 2014 09:09 AM (e8kgV)

119
And your point is....

We are talking about the RCC here not whether people make crazy arrangements to overcome the fact that reality makes it so that it is impossible for children to proceed from certain types of unions.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 05, 2014 01:06 PM (r+7wo)

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My point is the church is adapting to the reality of the world we live in.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 05, 2014 09:09 AM (0LHZx)

120 Well, yes. And that's smart. And of course it has parallels in The Hordeistan. If conservatives keep shouting Fags! and Abortion! it will vaccinate young people against the movement and we won't have a chance against the Leviathan state repressing freedom and spending the future. Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at March 05, 2014 12:54 PM (A0sHn) What, you never heard the one about "First they came for the Unionists..." The SoCons may be first, but the FiCons are on the menu next.

Posted by: D-Lamp at March 05, 2014 09:09 AM (bb5+k)

121 >>110 Does this mean I can have meat today ?!? Posted by: RWC a

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Oooh, honey. You can have it ANYTIME!

Posted by: Bawney Fwank at March 05, 2014 09:09 AM (OZmbA)

122 Attentionus, attentionus: We're adding womyn priests now too. And all priests, men and womyn, can now have all the secks they want. Especially with each other, that would be good. Or with dogs. Who cares? Whoopie! - Let us remember the eleventh commandment, Thou shalt not be a buzzkill.

Posted by: WalrusRex at March 05, 2014 09:09 AM (9qilP)

123 You will damn well bake their cake, do their flowers, and marry them in the damn Catholic Church -- breeders!!!!1!!!!

Posted by: Gay Judge Pug at March 05, 2014 09:10 AM (6Nj7A)

124 Full blown (no pun intended) marriage with all bells and whistles is what they demand. Not really. It also has to be "optional". Another reason why it wasn't pushed before now. Massive social pressure to marry has waned considerably. Once your "tolerant" mom keeps nagging you as to why you haven't gotten married yet, or your lover starts pestering you about it, the shine goes right off that theoretical concept of marriage.

Posted by: AmishDude at March 05, 2014 09:10 AM (T0NGe)

125 Jeebus..... they're gonna get us all killed. Bug, feature, to-MAY-toe, to-MAAH-toe...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, future overlord of the winter wastes at March 05, 2014 09:10 AM (naUcP)

126 41 So the Pope is saying that the Church would recognize the civil authority's right to determine a civil matter?

Ummm. This is news because why?

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at March 05, 2014 12:55 PM (VtjlW)

Shush. People must get their catholic hate on.

Posted by: buzzion at March 05, 2014 09:10 AM (LI48c)

127 Has anyone check to see if Putin contributed to Barack campaign funds? ======= I've been saying that since 2008.

Posted by: --- at March 05, 2014 09:11 AM (MMC8r)

128 There is no 'right time' and 'right place' for the Word of God. It is not something to be deployed at just the right moment. It is eternal and inviolate. It is our job to spread the word, and God's work to bring it to fruition. We are not to look around for the right circumstances for speaking of God's salvation. We are living in an era where the term pastoral means telling people what they want to hear so they won't get too offended by the Church. Leading people towards heaven? Bah, that's too difficult if it entails saying some hard truths.

Posted by: Paul Zummo at March 05, 2014 09:11 AM (Ud5vq)

129 Let us remember the eleventh commandment, Thou shalt not be a buzzkill. You dare speakus to the Popus in that manner? As penance, I sentence you to recite the Our Gaia twenty times.

Posted by: The Popus at March 05, 2014 09:11 AM (7ObY1)

130 I recall Mark Steyn commenting (on the radio) that it's not the church's job to affirm a person's life choices. Instead, they are there to establish values and standards.
Looks like they've decided to "evolve." Interesting times.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 05, 2014 09:11 AM (aq/zi)

131 So biblical doctrine and gods word are simply changeable to fit into society's wishes? Since sin is celebrated, the church will no longer call it sinful? Wow. I'd suggest you Catholics find a church that isn't going to get you sent to hell. We live in the last days, folks. Stuff like this proves it to me.

Posted by: Babylon -mother of whores at March 05, 2014 09:11 AM (ysCLj)

132 Not to mention that in the bible the normal response to discovering enclaves of homosexuality is to wipe out the cities where it is found.

Posted by: D-Lamp at March 05, 2014 01:06 PM (bb5+k)

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Hmmmmm.

Posted by: Soona at March 05, 2014 09:11 AM (pHRUK)

133 My point is the church is adapting to the reality of the world we live in.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo

Churches are not supposed to adapt to society. "Be ye not molded into the way of the world" etc.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 05, 2014 09:11 AM (eoeps)

134 Massive social pressure to marry has waned considerably.

My ass.

Posted by: HR at March 05, 2014 09:12 AM (ZKzrr)

135 It was interesting--you had the US, Canada, Britain and France all decide to not attend the G-8 in Sochi then the Germans yelled-- Halt! I don't think they learned the appeasement lesson the same way the rest of the world might have....

Posted by: China! at March 05, 2014 09:12 AM (RJMhd)

136 We are living in an era where the term pastoral means telling people what they want to hear so they won't get too offended by the Church. Leading people towards heaven? Bah, that's too difficult if it entails saying some hard truths.

Posted by: Paul Zummo at March 05, 2014 01:11 PM (Ud5vq)

Amos 8:11 and the Famine of the Word of God comes to mind.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at March 05, 2014 09:12 AM (9LuAk)

137 So, you have to questions their motives--if they can already legally get what it is they claim they have a "civil right" to, then, what are they really after? Psychological validation.

Posted by: AmishDude at March 05, 2014 09:12 AM (T0NGe)

138 Our Queen, I think a lot of us find the Pope commenting on civil unions for gays at this particular time to be, let's say, suspicious, even though I suspect most of us are fine with civil unions. To me, it's a troubling signal. Also, some of his quoted statements seem to me to to be watering down the faith. No one is forced to be Catholic, so I don't see why behavior that is contrary to Scripture (and Catholic church teaching throughout history) should be accommodated. (Not Catholic, btw.)

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 05, 2014 09:13 AM (r+7wo)

139 I am wondering if he really said "as long as they don't do it in the street and scare the horses" and it was lost in translation like most of his stuff, grasped by the liberal media and culled for positive ghey writes?

I don't give a hoot-n-hell about civil liberties for gays, whites, purples, hairy armpit biker relationships or anyone. It is the marriage sacrament they are after. If they ever get the Catholic approval to marry in church they achieve what they wanted: it is "normal" for Mary to have two Daddy's, and for Johnny to have two Mommy's. Yeah. Right. I am not saying that it is impossible for either couple to raise normal children who are heterosexual by choice (cause, hell, look at Chaz Bono...but look at his Mommy! Or, don't!). It is difficult to raise a child in today's culture with two functioning heterosexual parents, much less the other choice. I am sure they love their surrogate/adopted/womb transplanted child as much as I do...I am sure they do. I am sure some are much better parents than the dirt bags who sit around smoking pot and eating bags of Cheetos, one of the yellow vegetable choices with their Big Mac. Sure. And my late Golden would have been a great dad as well, far better than Rep. Grayson. But I digress!

I object to my future unborn grandchildren being taught about sex, how to put on a condom, and homosexuals in grade school. I object to these same children, attending church, to have a gay pastor preaching rainbows and having to explain this to these children when they should be a) in school learning about reading, writing, history, art, and math. In church they should be learning about the Bible prophecy and Jesus. So, you betcha, I object, strongly to gay marriage.

Bite moi.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Judge of Raciss Morons at March 05, 2014 09:13 AM (baL2B)

140 Probably need to wait and see what he actually said..... Words get twisted when an agenda needs to be pushed. That being said the social justice shit ticks me off, but it has been church doctrine so I'll let it slide...

Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at March 05, 2014 09:13 AM (9+ccr)

141 Obviously very little of this has to do with actual gays since they represent such a small, unimportant % of the population. It's about trying to get the Progressive Trash Ruling Class to stop saying mean things about the Church. But the secular Left is fundamentally opposed to the Church and the ideas of God and Jesus as the Son of God and savior, so I doubt it's possible to surrender enough to appease them.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 05, 2014 09:13 AM (ZPrif)

142 Civil unions, by definition, would not be handled by the Church.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 05, 2014 01:00 PM (TOk1P)

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Exactly. That, and I'm pretty sure that the Pope is talking about unions that would be PLATONIC.

You see the Catholic Church continues to believe in the quaint notion that sexuality is a part of life, and not the other way around...

Posted by: Nighthawk at March 05, 2014 09:13 AM (OtQXp)

143

My ass.

Rule 34

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 05, 2014 09:13 AM (eoeps)

144 134 Massive social pressure to marry has waned considerably. My ass. Posted by: HR at March 05, 2014 01:12 PM (ZKzrr) Your ass being as it may, it's much easier to be single today than in the mid-20th century, let alone earlier.

Posted by: AmishDude at March 05, 2014 09:14 AM (T0NGe)

145 133 My point is the church is adapting to the reality of the world we live in.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo -Churches are not supposed to adapt to society. "Be ye not molded into the way of the world" etc.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 05, 2014 01:11 PM (eoeps)

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Oh please. Churches are like any other business. They adapt to try and gain new customers and hold on their existing customers. Their customers today increasingly don't have a problem with SSM. So the church is adapting their views to reflect this change.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 05, 2014 09:14 AM (0LHZx)

146 Shush. People must get their catholic hate on. It's not Catholic haters that are storming this thread, but also practicing Catholics who are growing weary of every public, off the cuff comment coming from Pope Francis being something which indicates a willingness to water down the faith.

Posted by: Paul Zummo at March 05, 2014 09:14 AM (Ud5vq)

147 Leave the Church alone to sanctify the unions it deems worthy of the term "marriage." Posted by: BurtTC at March 05, 2014 01:02 PM (TOk1P) You naively think that "marriage" has no effect on the interests of civil society. How do you think such a society will play out in a few generations? If you think it will do just fine, then I don't think you understand the equations involved.

Posted by: D-Lamp at March 05, 2014 09:15 AM (bb5+k)

148 give it a few years and everyone wil be required to perform a homosexual act in order to pass a drivers license test.

tolerance, y'all.

Posted by: Jaws at March 05, 2014 09:15 AM (eKZp1)

149 >>So, you have to questions their motives--if they can already legally get what it is they claim they have a "civil right" to, then, what are they really after?

Group affirmation. Silence is interpreted as disapproval (per Erik Holder).
That's why there are same-sex marriages performed at the Grammys or as part of the Rose Bowl parade. Everyone must participate, dissenters will be outed and alienated.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 05, 2014 09:15 AM (aq/zi)

150 "I know these 2 dudes who are married. They just had a kid with 2 women who are married as well. One of the women carried the baby. Nobody knows who the father is, since the sperm was mixed together. The 2 dudes look nothing like each other so I assume they'll know once the baby grows up a little, based on looks. This is the new world we live in folks. You can't just wish it away." When the baby grows up and becomes a mass murderer will we be able to say at least that he grew up in a fucked up environment where he did not even know who his father was? Or will it be VERBOTEN because GHEY!!! I am sure if a mass murderer is son of a het couple (especially if they go to church) the lame stream media points out that as a factor

Posted by: fromabroad at March 05, 2014 09:15 AM (rnV3B)

151 Posted by: RoyalOil at March 05, 2014 01:08 PM (VjL9S) I agree. The whole boondoggle in California was ridiculous, partially brought about by again a the attorney general deciding not to defend itself. The judge found "no rational basis" for a difference between marriage and civil unions, when the rational basis test can be anything slightly more than "well, we would have to reprint the state law." Anything like promoting natural children in wedlock, protecting religious freedom, etc. would have worked but there was no one but amicus briefs to state it. Before all this nonsense, there should not have been excessive limits on the ability to contract, and there still should not be now. So yes, civil unions *should* have worked, but haven't.

Posted by: AMDG at March 05, 2014 09:15 AM (t7OO0)

152 My point is the church is adapting to the reality of the world we live in. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 05, 2014 01:09 PM (0LHZx) The church of Christ does not adapt this way. The church is supposed to stand out in stark contrast to the world. It's not a cultural or social organization. James, I think, says friend of the world = enemy of God. By the world, it means the system of the world and it's values, not people. Now, you don't have to believe that, but you don't have to belong to the church, either.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 05, 2014 09:15 AM (r+7wo)

153 "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's" -- Mark 12:17

civil unions are for Caesar

Posted by: I am not woman at March 05, 2014 09:15 AM (e8kgV)

154 The Pope has a phone and a pen.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 05, 2014 09:15 AM (HFap2)

155 >>132 Not to mention that in the bible the normal response to discovering enclaves of homosexuality is to wipe out the cities where it is found.
Posted by: D-Lamp<<

Well, yes, but the penalty for adultery (hetero) was stoning, too.

And you're committing a sin by looking at a woman's ass and wanting to have your way with her in your mind.

I'm not homosexual (maybe if I was I could get laid?) but it seems to me that a lot more heavy sin burden is placed on homosexuality these days by Christians compared to adultery, theft, etc.

Posted by: Sphynx at March 05, 2014 09:16 AM (OZmbA)

156 okay. WTF??? Seriously? Where's Bannion?

Posted by: L, elle at March 05, 2014 09:17 AM (0xqKe)

157

Churches are like any other business. They adapt to try and gain new customers and hold on their existing customers. Their customers today increasingly don't have a problem with SSM. So the church is adapting their views to reflect this change.

Mr MooMoo, that is the definition of a social club, not a church. The "Be ye not...." is a quotation from Romans.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 05, 2014 09:17 AM (eoeps)

158 Looks to me that he isn't advocating a change in church doctrine, but a separation of the church from civil proceedings. And that is a good thing.

Posted by: J. Locke at March 05, 2014 09:17 AM (9RGT+)

159 Oh please. Churches are like any other business. They adapt to try and gain new customers and hold on their existing customers. Their customers today increasingly don't have a problem with SSM. So the church is adapting their views to reflect this change.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 05, 2014 01:14 PM (0LHZx)

Self-analysis is in order if a reprobate like this man approves of your actions.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at March 05, 2014 09:17 AM (9LuAk)

160 This is the new world we live in folks. You can't just wish it away. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 05, 2014 01:02 PM (0LHZx) And do you think this stuff is new? Do you think human societies have never dealt with things such as this before? The reason you might not recollect previous societies engaging in such behavior is because they disappeared. Perhaps you see where i'm going with this?

Posted by: D-Lamp at March 05, 2014 09:17 AM (bb5+k)

161 Putin was just nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize. So not joking. Wish I were. Commence Nobel Prize ridicule now.

Posted by: Citizen X at March 05, 2014 09:17 AM (7ObY1)

162 I wonder why cop killer's lawyer's defeat has not made it to Drudge? SEVEN democrats voted to stop his nomination, including PA senators. Reid calls all of them "racist". I know that shocks you.

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 05, 2014 09:17 AM (0FSuD)

163 And here I thought marriage was one of the seven sacraments of the Catholic Church. Recognizing civil unions profanes that which is Holy.

Posted by: Speller at March 05, 2014 09:17 AM (J74Py)

164 I don't know about this, but as in most things, there is a Right and Left, a liberal and conservative, "faction" in the Vatican and among Catholics. Here is an interesting article by Peter Berger on Pope Francis and his connections with Liberation Theology and the left and which road he might. Not about civil unions, but another consideration of Pope Francis.

http://tinyurl.com/k8a7rjy

Posted by: gracepmc at March 05, 2014 09:17 AM (rznx3)

165 This is the new world we live in folks. You can't just wish it away. You're right, but I certainly don't have to partake of it or approve of it. The case you mentioned is a sure way to raise a fucked-up kid, if not a mass-murderer. There's no way it could be otherwise.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit[/i][/u][/b][/s] at March 05, 2014 09:17 AM (0HooB)

166 it seems to me that a lot more heavy sin burden is placed on homosexuality these days by Christians compared to adultery, theft, etc. I do not understand these words. Heavy sin burden? What does that mean?

Posted by: toby928© embraces tribalism at March 05, 2014 09:18 AM (QupBk)

167 My point is the church is adapting to the reality of the world we live in. - Whatever else the passage from Romans quoted in 14 supra proves, it proves that there is nothing new about homosexuality.

Posted by: WalrusRex at March 05, 2014 09:18 AM (9qilP)

168 Does the pope shit in the woods? Yep, and he pinches 'em off real neat-like, cuz he has sphincter control.

Posted by: Duke E. Meat at March 05, 2014 09:18 AM (bUmSq)

169 So the border service general, after being taken away for a surprise meeting by a biker gang -- has reported he is fine. I'm sensing he has suddenly change his mind on several border security issues and now sees the wisdom of Russia's viewpoint. The Russian biker gang probably made several well-researched arguments to convince him. Euromaidan PR ‏@EuromaidanPR #Koval, that was captured by 30 bikers earlier today in #Crimea, has called saying that everything is ok with him 5channel |PR News #Ukraine

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 05, 2014 09:18 AM (ZPrif)

170 WTF indeed. The Bible is pretty clear about homosexuality. Posted by: Insomniac at March 05, 2014 01:03 PM (DrWcr) Well, the Old Testament says "Nuke them from Orbit", and "killeth everything which draweth" breath in the cities where they are found, but other than that, I think it's sorta ambiguous.

Posted by: D-Lamp at March 05, 2014 09:19 AM (bb5+k)

171 Oh please. Churches are like any other business. They adapt to try and gain new customers and hold on their existing customers. Their customers today increasingly don't have a problem with SSM. So the church is adapting their views to reflect this change. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 05, 2014 01:14 PM (0LHZx) You obviously don't know what you're talking about. Some churches, yes. But throughout history (including today), Christians have been persecuted. Just because you don't subscribe to a faith doesn't mean no one else does. At least Ace, even though he's an atheist, tries to understand where people of faith are coming from.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 05, 2014 09:19 AM (r+7wo)

172 Kurt Schlichter: The GOP Needs To Stop Attacking Conservatives What a hypocrite! A year ago he was calling anyone who didn't agree with goproud setting up shop at cpac a bigot, homophobe, h8ter and other assorted shit.

Posted by: Gay Judge Pug at March 05, 2014 09:19 AM (6Nj7A)

173
He could have quoted the "render unto Caesar" bit. He chose not to do so.
He could have affirmed other institutions right to handle the issue as they see fit, while reinforcing Catholic doctrine. He danced around it.

This is not the first time he has used imprecise language in order to not be pinned down, while still leaning left.

How is it that people who acknowledge the pervasiveness of Gramscian thought can't acknowledge that it infests ALL institutions, now?

Posted by: grognard at March 05, 2014 09:19 AM (/29Nl)

174 "Therefore, gay marriage is nothing but a #WarOnWomen." very true things like survival rights exists only because the female was supposed to sacrifice her career to raise kids. This is not necessary in homo couples. I frankly cannot imagine how many psychologists have been bought off (or threatened) to state that children grow up wonderfully without a mother or without a father, when we know too well that the majority of people in jail have this kind of situation behind their backs.

Posted by: fromabroad at March 05, 2014 09:19 AM (rnV3B)

175 165 This is the new world we live in folks. You can't just wish it away.
You're right, but I certainly don't have to partake of it or approve of it.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at March 05, 2014 01:17 PM (0HooB)
You will be forced to march in a parade celebrating it, comrade.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 05, 2014 09:20 AM (HFap2)

176 The case you mentioned is a sure way to raise a fucked-up kid, if not a mass-murderer. There's no way it could be otherwise.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at March 05, 2014 01:17 PM (0HooB)

________

Yeah you're right. He'll have an awful life with 4 devoted parents and a huge extended family for support. Much better if his parents were two abusive drunks living in the ghetto...but hey they're not evil HOMOS, so it's all cool, right?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 05, 2014 09:20 AM (0LHZx)

177 civil unions are for Caesar

Posted by: I am not woman at March 05, 2014 01:15 PM (e8kgV)

So it is; but 'vaccine against the faith' is the explosive matter here, not a recognition of a secular state's societal authority in matters such as this.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at March 05, 2014 09:20 AM (9LuAk)

178 You will be forced to march in a parade celebrating it, comrade.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 05, 2014 01:20 PM (HFap2)

Wearing assless chaps.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 05, 2014 09:20 AM (DrWcr)

179 it seems to me that a lot more heavy sin burden is placed on homosexuality these days by Christians compared to adultery, theft, etc. It seems how? By how the media reports on things or actual reality? The only reason Catholics in particular have focused on any homosexual matters of late is because of the insistence on changing the definition of marriage. Go to any Catholic Church on Sunday (or any day for that matter) and to the degree that sin is even mentioned anymore, it won't be homosexual sin that is emphasized.

Posted by: Paul Zummo at March 05, 2014 09:20 AM (Ud5vq)

180 >>166 it seems to me that a lot more heavy sin burden is placed on homosexuality these days by Christians compared to adultery, theft, etc.

I do not understand these words. Heavy sin burden? What does that mean? Posted by: toby928Â© embraces tribalism<<

Just me fumbling about for the right words. I guess I mean that today's Christians look at homosexuality as a greater sin than Fred poking Rosie, wife of Joe.

Posted by: Sphynx at March 05, 2014 09:20 AM (OZmbA)

181 If they're civil unions the Church has precisely zero secular authority to do anything about them pro or con, and only the spiritual authority to accept or deny them to its own followers.

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at March 05, 2014 09:20 AM (XO6WW)

182 Looks to me that he isn't advocating a change in church doctrine, but a separation of the church from civil proceedings. And that is a good thing. Posted by: J. Locke at March 05, 2014 01:17 PM (9RGT+) If that was his point, he could certainly have been clearer. I don't think anyone here would have a problem if he had stated just that.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 05, 2014 09:21 AM (r+7wo)

183 Putin was just nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize. - How ironic. Two Nobel Peace Laureates could blunder the world into the big one.

Posted by: WalrusRex at March 05, 2014 09:21 AM (9qilP)

184 NY Slime has story up about defeat of cop killer's lawyer. VERY Interesting, Kay Hagan D NC, voted to confirm him. She'll regret that.

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 05, 2014 09:21 AM (0FSuD)

185 I've got a better idea. How about the state get out of the business of marriage? Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 05, 2014 01:04 PM (eoeps) Because obviously a civil and functional society is of no interest to the state.

Posted by: D-Lamp at March 05, 2014 09:21 AM (bb5+k)

186 And Moo-Moo dons the rectal chapeau.

Posted by: --- at March 05, 2014 09:21 AM (MMC8r)

187 I'm not homosexual (maybe if I was I could get laid?) but it seems to me that a lot more heavy sin burden is placed on homosexuality these days by Christians compared to adultery, theft, etc. It is a relatively modern notion that homosexuality is a particular, unique and separate sexual desire. First, ancient peoples, including Jews and Christians, figured that a man would have sex with what was available. Ergo, a choice. That's out of fashion now and, prisons not withstanding it does bring up interesting questions about pedophilia which is supposed to be a yet-even-more-separate sexual desire but if they were born that way... Lesbianism isn't really addressed in the Bible. It's all about "men lying down with men". I once read an article by Camille Paglia who addressed the fact that male homosexuality had significant consequences -- disease, lack of interest in breeding, etc -- whereas lesbianism really didn't. Of course, Paglia herself is a lesbian, so...

Posted by: AmishDude at March 05, 2014 09:22 AM (T0NGe)

188 If they marry the Irish they can marry the gays.

Posted by: Dr Spank at March 05, 2014 09:22 AM (P1WNR)

189
VERY Interesting, Kay Hagan D NC, voted to confirm him.

She'll regret that.

I'll take "Political Suicide" for $200, Alex!

Posted by: EC at March 05, 2014 09:22 AM (GQ8sn)

190 Yeah, I trust CNN's religious reporting like I trust Piers Morgan to be fair on gun issues. That being said, nothing that Francis has said has gone against what he's been saying his whole pontificate. He wants to get people in the door. He's stressing the forgiveness aspect of Christianity, as opposed to the "live your life our way, and go straight to heaven" aspects. He can't minister to gays, and other sinners, if they won't even come in the door. And I wonder if he's trying to head off governments forcing the church to officiate at gay weddings.

Posted by: Iblis at March 05, 2014 09:22 AM (9221z)

191

it seems to me that a lot more heavy sin burden is placed on
homosexuality these days by Christians compared to adultery, theft, etc.

All sin is sin, and condemns you to hell, but I do recall that only one sin was referred to as an abomination.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 05, 2014 09:22 AM (eoeps)

192 66 A very polite way of saying, FUNQ

Posted by: phreshone at March 05, 2014 01:01 PM (Q6pxP)

I think this might be the case. Francis is cagey this way. I think what he is saying is (1) Yes, there are Catholic homosexuals, (B) Yes, they have needs in civil society that some kind of contractual arrangement like a civil union can satisfy, and (III) Marriage? No.

Posted by: joncelli at March 05, 2014 09:22 AM (RD7QR)

193 162 I wonder why cop killer's lawyer's defeat has not made it to Drudge? SEVEN democrats voted to stop his nomination, including PA senators. Reid calls all of them "racist". I know that shocks you. Posted by: Nip Sip at March 05, 2014 01:17 PM (0FSuD) Defeated? Hell, frickin' YES! Now go back to giving Wesley a jail house reacharound.

Posted by: RWC at March 05, 2014 09:23 AM (fWAjv)

194 If that was his point, he could certainly have been clearer. I don't think anyone here would have a problem if he had stated just that. Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 05, 2014 01:21 PM (r+7wo) Gell-Mann plus translating to English. That, and Pope Francis' propensity to speak on just about anything off the cuff, since he it is not ex cathedra.

Posted by: AMDG at March 05, 2014 09:23 AM (t7OO0)

195 So... second look at sedevacantism?

Posted by: HowardDevore at March 05, 2014 09:23 AM (I324N)

196 I'll bet that when pickpockets congregate for relaxation, they liken their social stigma to the plight of the early Christians and denounce the heavy sin burden placed on them.

Posted by: toby928© embraces tribalism at March 05, 2014 09:23 AM (QupBk)

197 I don't think "peace" means what the Nobel committee thinks it means.

Posted by: Citizen X at March 05, 2014 09:23 AM (7ObY1)

198 He is the first Universal Unitarian Pope.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at March 05, 2014 09:23 AM (32Ze2)

199 You obviously don't know what you're talking about. Some churches, yes. But throughout history (including today), Christians have been persecuted.

Just because you don't subscribe to a faith doesn't mean no one else does. At least Ace, even though he's an atheist, tries to understand where people of faith are coming from.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 05, 2014 01:19 PM (r+7wo)

_________

What are you talking about? The church has always been political. It's the most political entity in the history of politics. And it continues to be so today. The Pope isn't an idiot. He knows the world's view on homosexuality is changing and fast. His actions are a reflection of that changing world view.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 05, 2014 09:24 AM (0LHZx)

200 "Yeah you're right. He'll have an awful life with 4 devoted parents and a huge extended family for support. " because you know for a fact that just in virtue of being GHEY they are all devoted parents. You know this because GHEYS are superior, right? And why stop at 4, if goodness = quantity, why not being raised by a commune of 44 people?

Posted by: fromabroad at March 05, 2014 09:24 AM (rnV3B)

201

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 05, 2014 01:14 PM (0LHZx)

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to post and remove all doubt.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 05, 2014 09:24 AM (zF6Iw)

202 Countdown to churches' tax-exempt status hinging on whether or not they marry gays in 3...2...

Posted by: Random Person at March 05, 2014 09:24 AM (vgIRn)

203 Just because you don't subscribe to a faith doesn't mean no one else does. At least Ace, even though he's an atheist, tries to understand where people of faith are coming from. Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 05, 2014 01:19 PM (r+7wo) I'm kinda fuzzy on the atheist thing, what do they believe?

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at March 05, 2014 09:24 AM (R8hU8)

204 It seems how? By how the media reports on things or actual reality? The only reason Catholics in particular have focused on any homosexual matters of late is because of the insistence on changing the definition of marriage. Go to any Catholic Church on Sunday (or any day for that matter) and to the degree that sin is even mentioned anymore, it won't be homosexual sin that is emphasized. Posted by: Paul Zummo at March 05, 2014 01:20 PM (Ud5vq) Yep, I think that in the past 13 years, I have heard homosexuality focused on for maybe 10 minutes total. And I can count the number of Sundays I've missed church on two hands. I have heard a few sermons about fornication, adultery, and treating your spouse right, though.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 05, 2014 09:24 AM (r+7wo)

205 I wonder why cop killer's lawyer's defeat has not made it to Drudge?

It is on Drudge. Just not the main headline.

Posted by: EC at March 05, 2014 09:25 AM (GQ8sn)

206 Hagan knows she is unpopular and unlikely to get more popular before election day, her only chance is to keep in the good graces of the far left, they're the ones who run the smear campaigns, rig the vote, etc.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 05, 2014 09:25 AM (ZshNr)

207 You will be forced to march in a parade celebrating it, comrade. Heh. You're probably right, but I'll have dysentery and can't make it that day.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit[/i][/u][/b][/s] at March 05, 2014 09:25 AM (0HooB)

208
Just me fumbling about for the right words. I guess I mean that today's Christians look at homosexuality as a greater sin than Fred poking Rosie, wife of Joe.

Posted by: Sphynx at March 05, 2014 01:20 PM (OZmbA)

The acceptance of adultery was simply a previous stage in the breakdown of society. There is plenty of crowing about it, even now, but society has moved on to the New Thing, that is, Fred is now poking Joe, husband of Rosie.

Next it will be Fred marrying into Joe and Rosie's family for group poking. A while after that, it will be Fred poking Joe Jr., son of Rosie, or maybe Champ, their Husky/shepherd mix.

It is the way of societal decay... everything in stages.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at March 05, 2014 09:25 AM (9LuAk)

209 Yeah you're right. He'll have an awful life with 4 devoted parents and a huge extended family for support. Psychology doesn't work that way. Look at Barack Obama, raised by a bank vice president and sent to exclusive private schools. Doted over by grandparents. Has a daddy complex as big as the sky. Not everybody has his gift of glib. They often turn out not so well socially.

Posted by: AmishDude at March 05, 2014 09:25 AM (T0NGe)

210 I'm kinda fuzzy on the atheist thing, what do they believe? ========= Nothing, therefore anything.

Posted by: --- at March 05, 2014 09:26 AM (MMC8r)

211 Hagan knows she is unpopular and unlikely to get more popular before election day, her only chance is to keep in the good graces of the far left, they're the ones who run the smear campaigns, rig the vote, etc.

Hagan's next annoucement should be to suspend the 2014 mid-term elections.

Posted by: EC at March 05, 2014 09:26 AM (GQ8sn)

212 Give unto Caesar, but lube up first.

Posted by: George Ringo II at March 05, 2014 09:26 AM (bUmSq)

213 I demand equality!

Posted by: Couch Fucker at March 05, 2014 09:26 AM (Aif/5)

214

Putin was just nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize.

So not joking. Wish I were.

Commence Nobel Prize ridicule now.

OMG. I didn't technically believe this without looking it up, but...

best we can hope for is that Vlad starts wearing bike helmets and mom jeans and generally patterns his behavior on the robust manliness of our Peace Prize Laureate.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at March 05, 2014 09:26 AM (A0sHn)

215 The Pope isn't an idiot. He knows the world's view on homosexuality is changing and fast. His actions are a reflection of that changing world view.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 05, 2014 01:24 PM (0LHZx)

By your version of logic, Francis should begin supporting euthanasia, as well. The Church is not supposed to "change" based on fleeting fashion. It is to stand form on the teachings of Christ.

You don't know the first thing about Catholicism, do you?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 05, 2014 09:27 AM (zF6Iw)

216

The Senate voted 47-52 Wednesday to reject controversial nominee Debo Adegbile as an assistant attorney general.

Seven Democrats voted against moving forward with President ObamaÂ’s nomination of Adegbile, which the Fraternal Order of Police and other groups opposed because of his involvement in the defense of Mumia Abu-Jamal, who was convicted of killing a Philadelphia police officer in 1981.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) then switched his vote from yes to no in a move that allows him to bring the nomination up again for a future vote.

Posted by: Valerie Jarrett at March 05, 2014 09:27 AM (e8kgV)

217 Just me fumbling about for the right words. I guess I mean that today's Christians look at homosexuality as a greater sin than Fred poking Rosie, wife of Joe. Posted by: Sphynx at March 05, 2014 01:20 PM (OZmbA) Well, even though sin is sin, Romans 1 does seem to focus on the acceptance of homosexuality in a society as being a sign (not the origin) of a society rebellious toward God. AmishDude, Romans 1 refers to lesbianism.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 05, 2014 09:27 AM (r+7wo)

218 I have four daddies!

Posted by: Gay Judge Pug at March 05, 2014 09:27 AM (6Nj7A)

219 the church "must be careful not to administer a vaccine against faith to them." Vaccine? Time for the hot beef injection.

Posted by: wooga at March 05, 2014 09:27 AM (Q1BWs)

220 190 Yeah, I trust CNN's religious reporting like I trust Piers Morgan to be fair on gun issues. -- Word.

Posted by: Votermom at March 05, 2014 09:27 AM (GSIDW)

221 Conspiracy tin foil hat could have a field day with this. The two of them have been planing this all along? Posted by: Paladin at March 05, 2014 01:08 PM (lP8dE) Nah, the one of them has been doing what he thought was in his nation's best interest all along, the other is a God Damned idiot.

Posted by: D-Lamp at March 05, 2014 09:27 AM (bb5+k)

222 Athiesm is different than Agnosticism in that Athiests are sure there is not a God. Agnostics don't know.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at March 05, 2014 09:27 AM (32Ze2)

223 207 Hagan knows she is unpopular and unlikely to get more popular before election day, her only chance is to keep in the good graces of the far left, they're the ones who run the smear campaigns, rig the vote, etc. Posted by: Lincolntf at March 05, 2014 01:25 PM (ZshNr) She's already planning for a K Street job. That means pleasing the Left. Because this vote would be an easy no for her, politically. Even Dems in NC would forgive her for it.

Posted by: AmishDude at March 05, 2014 09:28 AM (T0NGe)

224 OMG. I didn't technically believe this without looking it up, but... Don't blame you. At first I didn't believe it myself.

Posted by: Citizen X at March 05, 2014 09:28 AM (7ObY1)

225 You don't want to administer a vaccine to anyone, let alone the gheys.

Posted by: Jenny McCarthy at March 05, 2014 09:28 AM (Aif/5)

226 Paul Ryan: There Are Moments I Shake My Head and Say Â‘I CanÂ’t Believe We Lost to These GuysÂ’

Posted by: Valerie Jarrett at March 05, 2014 09:28 AM (e8kgV)

227 because you know for a fact that just in virtue of being GHEY they are all devoted parents.

You know this because GHEYS are superior, right?

Posted by: fromabroad at March 05, 2014 01:24 PM (rnV3B)

_____________

When did I say they're superior? I said they are good people, their families are 100% supportive. Sounds like a pretty good environment for a child. I didn't say all gays are good parents, I said these particular people will be given what I know about them.

Why are you so quick to hate someone simply for their sexual preference? The amount of hatred here directed at gay people is beyond insane.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 05, 2014 09:28 AM (0LHZx)

228 What are you talking about? The church has always been political. It's the most political entity in the history of politics. And it continues to be so today. The Pope isn't an idiot. He knows the world's view on homosexuality is changing and fast. His actions are a reflection of that changing world view. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 05, 2014 01:24 PM (0LHZx) I give up.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 05, 2014 09:28 AM (r+7wo)

229 This country is toast. Utter toast. With a poll, out now where people are so dense they believe equal protection for "gay marriage" is ENSURED by the constitution, totally forgetting you take the word for it by a "gay" that they are such and it's based on GENDER not self perceived sexual orientation, since each person, claiming to be of ANY orientation is free to marry opposite gender refutes this argument.

Yet "a class of people is being denied the SAME right" etc. As a straight person (though again here it's not like race since you take my word for it and it's subject to change in theory unlike genetics) I cannot marry another person of the same gender either.

The Constitution was never meant to be applied like this, but Americans are too stupid to get it. We have not kept the Republic. The issue is unless each generation is educated, we get even judges who make false analogies and rulings over these issues because they do not understand real freedom and rights and responsibilities.

What's next, progressives getting people to agree the KKK no longer possesses free speech as ensured by the document because of some emotional "they are bigots" and likening it to fire shouting in a theater?

Amazing.

New polls showing tons of morons agree with business having no right of conscience, or association, not realizing the distinctions in the arguments.

We do not deserve to survive...

Posted by: Mehow at March 05, 2014 09:29 AM (def5M)

230 "Gay couple accused of sexually abusing adopted Russian boy for years" http://rt.com/news/pedophile-syndicate-russian-boy-481/ I wonder why, unlike the dozens of pedophilia cases involving nominal heterosexual men, this particular case was very much off the mainstream media. Could it be because it was against the narrative of GHEY = GOOD? Why this case did not get enough airplay such as the Sandusky case? Is this the future we are walking in? gheys treated with kid gloves because ... racist!

Posted by: fromabroad at March 05, 2014 09:29 AM (rnV3B)

231 The same Jesus that said, "Love your neighbor" was the same Jesus that chased His neighbors around the Temple with a whip.

He may love you--and has commanded that we love you--but that does not mean you are free to sin without consequence.

And that is what the radical leftist homose are after--they want society, including all religions, to tell them that the sin they feel in their heart is not a sin, to make them feel better about whatever it is they feel is wrong.

We can't do that--no matter what laws we pass, no matter how much we are forced to celebrate their specialness.

We--society--didn't put the sin there, we can't take it away.

You want the sin taken away, you get yourself right with God.

Or deal with it.

But quit with this bullshit of tearing down society--it won't work and it'll make everything worse for everyone, including you. And if history is any guide, probably worse for the homos, much, much worse.

Posted by: RoyalOil at March 05, 2014 09:29 AM (VjL9S)

232 The Pope isn't an idiot. He knows the world's view on homosexuality is changing and fast. His actions are a reflection of that changing world view.

The world's view? Are you sure about that?

Posted by: EC at March 05, 2014 09:29 AM (GQ8sn)

233 >>>202 Oh please. Churches are like any other business. They adapt to try and gain new customers and hold on their existing customers. Their customers today increasingly don't have a problem with SSM. So the church is adapting their views to reflect this change. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 05, 2014 01:14 PM (0LHZx) Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to post and remove all doubt. Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 05, 2014 01:24 PM (zF6Iw) THREADWINNER!!! MP4!!!

Posted by: L, elle at March 05, 2014 09:29 AM (0xqKe)

234 PPPPRRRRRRRIIIIIIIIIMMMMMMMMEEEEEEE! http://youtu.be/aGiVaaTaTF8

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at March 05, 2014 09:29 AM (VtjlW)

235 AmishDude, Romans 1 refers to lesbianism. Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 05, 2014 01:27 PM (r+7wo) I stand corrected. I'm struck mostly by the words in Leviticus. I am not much of a biblical scholar, but I wonder if Paul was trying to deal with some sex cults that were wrapping themselves up as Christianity, hence the forbidding of female clergy.

Posted by: AmishDude at March 05, 2014 09:29 AM (T0NGe)

236 Awesome. Let's all form a civil union and get bulk discounts on household goods.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at March 05, 2014 09:29 AM (5xmd7)

237 We do not deserve to survive... We deserve to survive. It's the rest of the country that doesn't...

Posted by: Citizen X at March 05, 2014 09:29 AM (7ObY1)

238 So certain Catholics will be able to eat ~~sausage~~ meat on Fridays?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 05, 2014 09:30 AM (DPkKe)

239 By your version of logic, Francis should begin supporting euthanasia, as well. The Church is not supposed to "change" based on fleeting fashion. It is to stand form on the teachings of Christ.

You don't know the first thing about Catholicism, do you?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 05, 2014 01:27 PM (zF6Iw)

__________

If support for euthanasia hits the levels of support for SSM, the church will change as well. I don't know much about Catholicism, but I do know a lot about business and marketing.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 05, 2014 09:30 AM (0LHZx)

240 The Bible is a living document that means whatever you want it mean. You know, like the constitution.

Posted by: WalrusRex at March 05, 2014 09:30 AM (9qilP)

241 215 Putin was just nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize. So not joking. Wish I were. Commence Nobel Prize ridicule now. OMG. I didn't technically believe this without looking it up, but... best we can hope for is that Vlad starts wearing bike helmets and mom jeans and generally patterns his behavior on the robust manliness of our Peace Prize Laureate. Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at March 05, 2014 01:26 PM (A0sHn) Wait...whut!?

Posted by: tasker at March 05, 2014 09:30 AM (RJMhd)

242 Why are you so quick to hate someone simply for their sexual preference? The amount of hatred here directed at gay people is beyond insane. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 05, 2014 01:28 PM (0LHZx) Here we go. Not approving of homosexuality = hate.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 05, 2014 09:31 AM (r+7wo)

243 If you accept the few short quotes as representative it does seem like Francis is trying to seperate secular legal issues from marriage the sacrament. I have been guilty of that. Given the courts moving far beyond that in the US it does not affect the reality.

Posted by: Beagle at March 05, 2014 09:31 AM (sOtz/)

244 There's moo goo all over the place. he must have a raging clue.

Posted by: Joe Hardly at March 05, 2014 09:31 AM (bUmSq)

245 I think the Putin Nobel nomination deserves its own thread.

Posted by: Citizen X at March 05, 2014 09:31 AM (7ObY1)

246 Moscow Times -- Why There Will Be War in Ukraine. http://www.themoscowtimes.com/opinion/article/why-there-will-be-war-in-ukraine/495740.html Some insight into how the Russians see things and justify war: --- The current crisis is not about Crimea. It is about the rights of Russian-speakers throughout Ukraine whom the Kremlin wants to protect from violence and discrimination. Russia does not want a military intervention in Crimea and does not want to take Crimea from Ukraine. ... If these democratic and peaceful solutions to the crisis in Ukraine are rejected by the opposition forces that have seized power in Kiev, I am afraid that Russia will have no other choice but to revert to military means. If the junta leaders want to avoid war, they need to adopt Moscow's peaceful and democratic proposals and adhere to them. ... Putin made the right decision: He did not to wait for that attack and took preventative measures. Many in the West say the Kremlin's reactions were paranoiac, but Germany's Jews also thought the same of leaving the country in 1934. Most of them chose to believe they were safe and remained in Germany even after Hitler came to power. The infamous Kristallnacht took place five years later, one of the first early chapters in the "Final Solution." Similarly, just four years remain until Russia's presidential election in 2018, and there is a strong risk that subversive forces within and outside Russia will try to overthrow Putin, in part using their new foothold in Ukraine. Will there be war in Ukraine? I am afraid so. After all, the extremists who seized power in Kiev want to see a bloodbath. Only fear for their own lives might stop them from inciting such a conflict. Russia is prepared to move its forces into southern and eastern Ukraine if repressive measures are used against the Russian-speaking population or if a military intervention occurs. Russia will not annex Crimea. It has enough territory already. At the same time, however, it will also not stand by passively while Russophobic and neo-Nazi gangs hold the people of Crimea, Kharkiv and Donetsk at their mercy.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 05, 2014 09:31 AM (ZPrif)

247 Anne Rice knows this is all about her.

Posted by: eleven at March 05, 2014 09:31 AM (Hy7dS)

248 No qualifier. The main job of society is to figure out what to do with the male sex drive. Posted by: AmishDude at March 05, 2014 01:07 PM (T0NGe) I disagree. MOST men are content to be married, especially if something could be done to remove alternate temptations. (As society used to be when it was frowned upon.) Homosexuals are NOT CONTENT to be with a single person. What controls a normal male's access to sex is the female, who insist that it be with her. Now contemplate a society in which all females are willing to have sex with you and few to none will demand exclusivity. A normal young man will wear out his dick sampling the cows. This is exactly the condition in which Male homosexuals find themselves in, but with the "females" being other randy males who want them too. There is no DESIRE to limit one's self to just one partner. None at all.

Posted by: D-Lamp at March 05, 2014 09:31 AM (bb5+k)

249 245 There's moo goo all over the place I hate when that happens. Somebody toss him a Fleshlight.

Posted by: Citizen X at March 05, 2014 09:32 AM (7ObY1)

250
I always thought the whole civil unions thing was just another way of saying partnership. In this country anyway, any 2 or 5 or 10 people could always legally form any type of partnership they wanted, so its superfluous.

Which seems to be one thing he is saying but I'll wait for the second Pope shoe to drop on this as far as this post goes. I've seen about 5 things already in the media that were 'corrected' by further statements after the big headlines.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 05, 2014 09:32 AM (gorVZ)

251 Probably need to wait and see what he actually said..... Always a good idea when some article about the Pope comes out of Italy. I remember when some headline proclaimed 'Pope supports Big Bang Theory'. Months later, when the article was properly translated, it did not contain any of the words 'Big' or 'Bang' or 'Theory'.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron [/i] at March 05, 2014 09:32 AM (CnA98)

252 How soon till we see gay Priests in same sex unions raising young boys as their children?

I probably should stop at that point.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 05, 2014 09:32 AM (DPkKe)

253 I don't know much about Catholicism~~, but I do know a lot about business and marketing~~. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 05, 2014 01:30 PM (0LHZx) That is where you should have stopped, Moo Moo.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 05, 2014 09:32 AM (r+7wo)

254 This thread is Exhibits A, B, C why the GOP will never win another national election again unless it runs away as fast as it can from So-Cons.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 05, 2014 09:32 AM (0LHZx)

255 Putin was just nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize.

So not joking. Wish I were.

Commence Nobel Prize ridicule now.

Eh, according to the Nobel Peace Prize website:
http://www.nobelprize.org/nomination/peace/

A member of this group can nominate someone for the prize:
"Members of national assemblies and governments of states"

So someone in Putin's gov't could have nominated him.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at March 05, 2014 09:32 AM (P7Wsr)

256 Posted by: RoyalOil at March 05, 2014 01:29 PM (VjL9S)

^ Definition of a great post. Short, objective, to the point.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at March 05, 2014 09:32 AM (9LuAk)

257 It's about trying to get the Progressive Trash Ruling Class to stop saying mean things about the Church. But the secular Left is fundamentally opposed to the Church and the ideas of God and Jesus as the Son of God and savior, so I doubt it's possible to surrender enough to appease them. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 05, 2014 01:13 PM (ZPrif) ^ THIS ^

Posted by: Mindy at March 05, 2014 09:33 AM (RMfGb)

258 I hate because it keeps me warm.

Posted by: eleven at March 05, 2014 09:33 AM (Hy7dS)

259 This thread is Exhibits A, B, C why the GOP will never win another national election again unless it runs away as fast as it can from So-Cons.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 05, 2014 01:32 PM (0LHZx)

Don't worry yer pretty little head, loser, we're still terminally boned, it ain't changin' anytime soon.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at March 05, 2014 09:33 AM (9LuAk)

260 224 You've made it abundantly clear you know zero about Catholicism, and then doubled down with a H8R comment like a typical Libtard. Well done. Idiot.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 05, 2014 09:33 AM (ojnk6)

261 (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin has been nominated for the 2014 Nobel Peace Prize - but the conflict in Ukraine is also likely to be on the Nobel committee's agenda. ******* omg--I think this is Norway's revenge on Sweden. How does that work again?

Posted by: tasker at March 05, 2014 09:33 AM (RJMhd)

262 The amount of hatred here directed at gay people is beyond insane.

I *used* to not hate the homos. Hell, I used to not care, one way or the other about them, but, since they've FORCED me to care I'm pretty unhappy with them.

I care, just not in the way they want. I'm beginning to think Iran's got the right idea vis a vis homosexuality.

Posted by: GMan at March 05, 2014 09:33 AM (sxq57)

263 >>> I don't know much about Catholicism And, it shows.

Posted by: L, elle at March 05, 2014 09:33 AM (0xqKe)

264 Just got here. Have the trolls arrived?

Posted by: katya the designated driver at March 05, 2014 09:34 AM (4Chvm)

265 243 Why are you so quick to hate someone simply for their sexual preference? The amount of hatred here directed at gay people is beyond insane. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 05, 2014 01:28 PM (0LHZx) Moo Moo, put down the fucking bong. Yeah, we are all haters here that's why one of our best coblogs is ghey. Gabe just can't stand our asses and all our hate. Moo Moo time for you to fuck off, it's early, take the hint.

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 05, 2014 09:34 AM (0FSuD)

266 Wearing assless chaps. With a dog collar.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit[/i][/u][/b][/s] at March 05, 2014 09:34 AM (0HooB)

267 Yeah you're right. He'll have an awful life with 4 devoted parents and a huge extended family for support. Much better if his parents were two abusive drunks living in the ghetto...but hey they're not evil HOMOS, so it's all cool, right?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 05, 2014 01:20 PM (0LHZx)

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Being raised in comfort and prosperity do not make a good person. I.E., the Kennedys.

Posted by: Soona at March 05, 2014 09:34 AM (pHRUK)

268 My point is the church is adapting to the reality of the world we live in. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 05, 2014 01:09 PM (0LHZx) No it isn't. It *IS* undermining it's own credibility and will CAUSE a loss of membership. You see, most people think these religious teachings come from God, who does not negotiate or change his mind. If the church portrays these long held teachings as changeable, then they demonstrate that they are not of God. It's like Kirk said: "Why does God need a starship?"

Posted by: D-Lamp at March 05, 2014 09:35 AM (bb5+k)

269

I disagree. MOST men are content to be married, especially if something could be done to remove alternate temptations.

"A many is basically as faithful as his options".

Posted by: Chris Rock at March 05, 2014 09:35 AM (A0sHn)

270 If support for euthanasia hits the levels of support for SSM, the church will change as well. I don't know much about Catholicism, but I do know a lot about business and marketing. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 05, 2014 01:30 PM (0LHZx) Contraception stance says hi. Divorce stance also waves, demurely.

Posted by: AMDG at March 05, 2014 09:35 AM (t7OO0)

271 Must. Kill. DeceptoSOCONS!!!!!

Posted by: Cow Pies at March 05, 2014 09:35 AM (Aif/5)

272 Best parents ever! Let's mix up a couple guys sperm and let the kid guess who daddy is forever! Because tolerance!

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 05, 2014 09:35 AM (ZshNr)

273 I think the Pope Bucknered this one.

Posted by: Count de Monet at March 05, 2014 09:35 AM (BAS5M)

274 255 This thread is Exhibits A, B, C why the GOP will never win another national election again unless it runs away as fast as it can from So-Cons. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 05, 2014 01:32 PM (0LHZx) --I know, right! Krispy Kreme/Jebby Bush 2016!!! The winning non-socon ticket! With extra Amnesty *and* ghey marriage!

Posted by: rightwingva at March 05, 2014 09:35 AM (kCnae)

275 Mook gives advice to the church the way Kevorkian gives advice. So caring.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 05, 2014 09:35 AM (ZPrif)

276 I think the Putin Nobel nomination deserves its own thread. Posted by: Citizen X at March 05, 2014 01:31 PM (7ObY1) It's easy to get nominated.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 05, 2014 09:35 AM (IXrOn)

277 If support for euthanasia hits the levels of support for SSM, the church will change as well. I don't know much about Catholicism, but I do know a lot about business and marketing.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 05, 2014 01:30 PM (0LHZx)

So. Were support for euthanasia to reach levels of purported "support" for gay marriage, the Church - an institution which daily preaches the commandment Thou Shalt Not Kill - will ignore it in favor of. . .marketing?

No one is this intentionally dense. It must be a piece of performance art.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 05, 2014 09:36 AM (zF6Iw)

278 Damn long ears, tryin' to steal Easter from Jesus!

Posted by: Peter Griffen at March 05, 2014 09:36 AM (bUmSq)

279 Just got here. Have the trolls arrived?

Posted by: katya the designated driver at March 05, 2014 01:34 PM (4Chvm)

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Just the usual moo boy.

Posted by: Soona at March 05, 2014 09:36 AM (pHRUK)

280 >>Now contemplate a society in which all females are willing to have sex with you and few to none will demand exclusivity. A normal young man will wear out his dick sampling the cows.<<

Ahhh, college days gone by.

Posted by: Billy Jeff Clinton at March 05, 2014 09:36 AM (OZmbA)

281 Watch out everyone! Mook is gonna purge the icky socons! Behold the Mighty and Powerful, Mook!

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 05, 2014 09:36 AM (ZPrif)

282 I am trying to give up hate for Lent but the cow poo on this thread makes it hard.

Posted by: Votermom at March 05, 2014 09:36 AM (GSIDW)

283 Posted by: D-Lamp at March 05, 2014 01:31 PM (bb5+k)

Precisely. The idea that human men are somehow innately monogamous is a blatant lie. If there are no societal/religious restraints, there are no restraints at all.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at March 05, 2014 09:36 AM (9LuAk)

284 >>>255 This thread is Exhibits A, B, C why the GOP will never win another national election again unless it runs away as fast as it can from So-Cons. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 05, 2014 01:32 PM (0LHZx) You're such a fucking broken record. Take this shit and stick it up your ass

Posted by: L, elle at March 05, 2014 09:36 AM (0xqKe)

285 I'm not homosexual (maybe if I was I could get laid?) but it seems to me that a lot more heavy sin burden is placed on homosexuality these days by Christians compared to adultery, theft, etc.

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I'm not seeing "Adultery Pride" marches or "the First Thief to Ever Be Drafted By an NFL Team" stories on ESPN.

Posted by: Frank Black at March 05, 2014 09:36 AM (YmPwQ)

286 Headline - "Elijah Cummings, 卍-MD, is shocked to learn that the minority party does not control committee hearings, even if the Member is one of the Black Caucus. MSM share his outrage."

Posted by: Episcopal Bishop John Shelby Spong at March 05, 2014 09:36 AM (aDwsi)

287 Now contemplate a society in which all females are willing to have sex with you and few to none will demand exclusivity. A normal young man will wear out his dick sampling the cows.

So, today's America then.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at March 05, 2014 09:36 AM (B/VB5)

288 127 Has anyone check to see if Putin contributed to Barack campaign funds? ======= I've been saying that since 2008. Posted by: --- at March 05, 2014 01:11 PM (MMC8r) Yeah, Putin, Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, Luke Skywalker, and pretty much any other name you care to mention was a likely contributor to Barack Obama in 2008. For some reason, the Bush administration didn't drop an anvil on that sonofabitch for his blatant campaign finance violations.

Posted by: D-Lamp at March 05, 2014 09:37 AM (bb5+k)

289 I remember when some headline proclaimed 'Pope supports Big Bang Theory'. Months later, when the article was properly translated, it did not contain any of the words 'Big' or 'Bang' or 'Theory'. They misquoted me. I said I get a big bang out of my theory that buttsecks is teh kewl.

Posted by: The Popus at March 05, 2014 09:37 AM (7ObY1)

290 What's the birth certificate going to look like? Mother: Susie Brown. Father: Semen Blend

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 05, 2014 09:37 AM (ZshNr)

291 Ooops. Spong sock peeled away

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 05, 2014 09:37 AM (aDwsi)

292 Off to Wally World anyone need anything?

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 05, 2014 09:37 AM (0FSuD)

293 Eh, according to the Nobel Peace Prize website:
http://www.nobelprize.org/nomination/peace/

A member of this group can nominate someone for the prize:
"Members of national assemblies and governments of states"

So someone in Putin's gov't could have nominated him.

Posted by: bonhomme at March 05, 2014 01:32 PM (P7Wsr)

Correct.

Rush Limbaugh was nominated for the Nobel Prize by Heritage I think. No chance he would have won ofcourse.

Posted by: EC at March 05, 2014 09:37 AM (GQ8sn)

294 So. Were support for euthanasia to reach levels of purported "support" for gay marriage, the Church - an institution which daily preaches the commandment Thou Shalt Not Kill - will ignore it in favor of. . .marketing?

No one is this intentionally dense. It must be a piece of performance art.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 05, 2014 01:36 PM (zF6Iw)

________________

Times change. People / institutions who don't change with it get left behind.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 05, 2014 09:37 AM (0LHZx)

295 No it isn't. It *IS* undermining it's own credibility and will CAUSE a loss of membership. You see, most people think these religious teachings come from God, who does not negotiate or change his mind. If the church portrays these long held teachings as changeable, then they demonstrate that they are not of God. It's like Kirk said: "Why does God need a starship?" Posted by: D-Lamp at March 05, 2014 01:35 PM (bb5+k) As I always say, if everything I do is OK, why bother going to church on Sunday morning? I'd just sleep in. One thing I love about my pastor's preaching is that it often (lovingly) challenges the way I am living my life. It may not be pleasant for me to take in at the time, but I wouldn't have it any other way.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 05, 2014 09:37 AM (r+7wo)

296 I don't know much about Catholicism, but I do know a lot about business and marketing. Don't quit your day job and offer your marketing skills to the Catholic church. Unless you have an idea to increase attendance at Bingo Night.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron [/i] at March 05, 2014 09:37 AM (CnA98)

297 283 I am trying to give up hate for Lent but the cow poo on this thread makes it hard. Posted by: Votermom at March 05, 2014 01:36 PM (GSIDW) --I'm Orthodox Christian... with strict fasting, we give up dairy, meat, practically everything except fruits and vegetables, and now I guess, I have to give up my *hate* of stupidity.

Posted by: rightwingva at March 05, 2014 09:38 AM (kCnae)

298 Moo moo: Yes, we have some so-con commenters. Ace picks fights with them when he gets bored. Attempt to label all conservatives as homophobic bigots = fail.

And I doubt the so-cons here fear queers one damned bit.

Posted by: Kristophr at March 05, 2014 09:38 AM (c6N69)

299 A swastika has to be upper tier platinum club access.

Posted by: Arnold Ampersand at March 05, 2014 09:39 AM (bUmSq)

300 The current crisis is not about Crimea. It is about the rights of Russian-speakers throughout Ukraine ************ Well even CNN helps them with that. Ukrainian Russian speakers have tried to tell Anderson Cooper that it is not that simple. Just because I speak Russian doesn't mean I am pro Russian take over. This is an exaggeration but to sort of illustrate the point--just because Americans speak English that does not mean we would be pro--Queen.

Posted by: tasker at March 05, 2014 09:39 AM (RJMhd)

301 Sexual dimorphism figures into this. Opposite sex gender roles are critical for children. It's not "bigotry" to suggest 2 mothers or 2 fathers is not normal or healthy for a child. It's pure fact logic and experience.

Discrimination is NOT inherently bad, context is all. That's a brainwash lie. To suggest no harm exists to the institution of marriage and a lot more exists with legalized SSM is laughable. It's not about whether any individual straight will be denied a marriage license DUE to legalized SSM. It's a cumulative impact that is not normal, healthy or good. You will not convince any sane person otherwise with experience, nor is is accurate to compare it to interracial marriage opposition, etc.

But we now live in a world where obvious truths are called lies and folks who have no idea of what actual reasoning power is dictate (because more of them exist now are more vocal and have control of media, education, etc.) so that the inmates run the asylum and it's like talking to a brick wall of irrational emotional liberalism not based on reality but how they WANT the world to be.

It's just sad. And beyond tragic for future generations.

Posted by: Mehow at March 05, 2014 09:39 AM (def5M)

302 293 Off to Wally World anyone need anything?

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 05, 2014 01:37 PM (0FSuD)

Grab me a knife, a flashlight, a case of booze, and 900 cartons of cigarettes. Just in case.

Posted by: joncelli at March 05, 2014 09:39 AM (RD7QR)

303 Gheys are so gay.

Posted by: eleven at March 05, 2014 09:39 AM (Hy7dS)

304

No we're not homosexual, but we are "willing to learn."

Posted by: Zombie Russell Ziskey at March 05, 2014 09:39 AM (BAS5M)

305 Cud is regurgitated, chewed again.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 05, 2014 09:39 AM (aDwsi)

306 Their customers today increasingly don't have a problem with SSM. So the church is adapting their views to reflect this change. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 05, 2014 01:14 PM (0LHZx) Which means they are not actually a "church" but a polling organization. Their customers are people who want a "Church."

Posted by: D-Lamp at March 05, 2014 09:39 AM (bb5+k)

307 He does this on Ash Wednesday, the first day of Lent?

Posted by: Kensington (@NYKensington) at March 05, 2014 09:39 AM (/AHDz)

308 I'm agnostic on the existence of Joe Biden. I mean, Descartes said, "I think therefore I am." Where does that leave Biden?

Posted by: WalrusRex at March 05, 2014 09:40 AM (9qilP)

309 Off to Wally World anyone need anything?

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 05, 2014 01:37 PM (0FSuD)

Brick of .22LR for me, please!

Posted by: EC at March 05, 2014 09:40 AM (GQ8sn)

310 Can we get Benedict back?

Posted by: L, elle at March 05, 2014 09:40 AM (0xqKe)

311 If support for euthanasia hits the levels of support for SSM, the church will change as well. I don't know much about Catholicism, but I do know a lot about business and marketing.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 05, 2014 01:30 PM (0LHZx)

Your posts here are your resume'. Well done on the marketing.

Posted by: grognard at March 05, 2014 09:40 AM (/29Nl)

312 Yay! A gay marriage AND religion thread! This should end well.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 05, 2014 09:40 AM (DmNpO)

313 "When did I say they're superior? I said they are good people, their families are 100% supportive. Sounds like a pretty good environment for a child." a child that grows up without a mother committed to the father is not an ideal situation, a child that does not know who his biological parent is because his 2 ghey daddies mixed up the sperm with a kitchen robot before using a turkey baster on the lesbians is not exactly protected any stupid actions his '4 adults' decide to do. The fact that you state this is a wonderful situation just because those people are your friends shows only that you are biased. "Why are you so quick to hate someone simply for their sexual preference? The amount of hatred here directed at gay people is beyond insane." You get what you give, since I am fed up with turning the other check, I finished my cheek quota for this life and a dozen more. With their shenanigans they are effectively limiting my rights and hurting my sensibilities (or just THEIR sensibilities are paramount just because you happen to be friends with some of them?) Everywhere this travesty of ghey rites went it REMOVED the terms mother and father from legal documents, because as you say there will be gheys having children as a foursome. This actually prevents heterosexuals from being called on legal documents 'mother' and 'father' because this would hurt the sensibilities of people like your friends. It is adopted gender neutral 'Parent 1' and 2. This was discussed heavily during the debate of ghey marriage in france, if you bother to pay attention. I don't understand why for the inferiority complex of 1% of the population, the remaining 99% needs to change their ways to accommodate them. Are you saying that ghey rites trumps every other right?

Posted by: fromabroad at March 05, 2014 09:40 AM (rnV3B)

314 Romans 1 refers to lesbianism. I'm not so sure. It very clearly speaks of dudes getting it on with other dudes. But with women, it refers only to "unnatural" sex - it does not specifically refer to lesbianism. Under traditional maxims of legal interpretation, the use of the specific in the dude list does not translate over to the lady list. My understanding is that the other biblical references to "unnatural" female sexytime involve animals, and that is how I read Romans 1 too.

Posted by: wooga at March 05, 2014 09:40 AM (Q1BWs)

315 but it seems to me that a lot more heavy sin burden is placed on homosexuality these days by Christians compared to adultery, theft, etc.

LDS guy here. Adultery committed by someone who is married in our Temple will get one excommunicated. So will stealing from tithing funds. Other forms of stealing probably would get you in front of a tribunal, I don't know for sure.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at March 05, 2014 09:41 AM (P7Wsr)

316 Off to Wally World anyone need anything? Could you pick me up a sandwich a TV and Socket wrench? thx

Posted by: eleven at March 05, 2014 09:41 AM (Hy7dS)

317 Kensington: He does this on Ash Wednesday, the first day of Lent?

Hangover from the Fat Tuesday orgies.

Posted by: Kristophr at March 05, 2014 09:41 AM (c6N69)

318 All we have to do to win elections is purge the party of its largest voting blocks. Then we win. Genius!

Posted by: Poop at March 05, 2014 09:42 AM (Aif/5)

319 A little bird told me this story (true story) about two middle aged men who divorced or were widowed, and both with grown children. I assume they were abducted by aliens from a gay planet, as they suddenly, and with no warning, decided they were gay and partners for life. This created a hooha, as one man was from a huge devout Catholic family. This Catholic family, shaken to core as, uh, until then a Protestant entering this family was! purgatory-worthy. Some family, as was reported by one, shunned him (at least initially). Some accepted, as he is family and, uh, not an ax murdering serial killer (yet). Others, one of the most devout stone casters, decided, huh: "I want my bro to go to heaven with me. He is smart. He knows this stuff and he says he was born this way in spite of Church's teachings, his past thinking he might be a priest, his long marriage and many children. He tells me this is ok and gives excellent and intelligent reasons.Now he is gay and it is genetic!" C'est la vie (actually she does not speak French, so it was probably, "What the deuce?").Kumbaya. "Maybe everyone, every religion, are going to heaven?", she now wonders? "Well, everyone but Protestants!" Stomps foot, will not sway on Calvinists, gay or un-gay!

So, anyway, this prior conservative and devout Catholic woman, faced with uber-liberal brother turning gay shortly after his priest sibling died and parents deaths, well, hey! Next thing you know she votes Democrat, proudly helping historic black president be elected x two... somehow excusing her pro-life leanings, which still exist, but: the poor! Democrats help the poor! Capitalism bad! Socialism good! Bad to judge anyone except Protestants! We are all in the same boat heading for rapids!

I am actually not sure if this relative is ok with gay marriage in church, as this relative is not ok with non-Catholics taking the sacrament of the Communion in their church. But the gay brother sure as hell made her more liberal and became warped with whatever his explanations are. She also, through him, is a strong believer in Global Warming!

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Judge of Raciss Morons at March 05, 2014 09:42 AM (baL2B)

320 --I'm Orthodox Christian... with strict fasting, we give up dairy, meat, practically everything except fruits and vegetables, and now I guess, I have to give up my *hate* of stupidity. -- The stupid will always be with us. Unfortunately.

Posted by: Votermom at March 05, 2014 09:42 AM (GSIDW)

321 A swastika has to be upper tier platinum club access. My &&&& are all jealous and stuff.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit[/i][/u][/b][/s] at March 05, 2014 09:42 AM (0HooB)

322 This guy is on my last nerve. Bring back Benedict.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 05, 2014 09:42 AM (1Jaio)

323 I'm not homosexual (maybe if I was I could get laid?) but it seems to me that a lot more heavy sin burden is placed on homosexuality these days by Christians compared to adultery, theft, etc. Posted by: Sphynx at March 05, 2014 01:16 PM (OZmbA) Stoning a few miscreants as opposed to utterly destroying cities and killing everything therein? Yeah, I would say that as the penalties are much more severe, the one offense is much worse than the other.

Posted by: D-Lamp at March 05, 2014 09:42 AM (bb5+k)

324 309 I'm agnostic on the existence of Joe Biden. I mean, Descartes said, "I think therefore I am." Where does that leave Biden? Posted by: WalrusRex at March 05, 2014 01:40 PM (9qilP) ********* Transmutative--without the mute.

Posted by: tasker at March 05, 2014 09:42 AM (RJMhd)

325 I think popes should be allowed to marry.

Posted by: CJ at March 05, 2014 09:43 AM (9KqcB)

326 I'm also wondering if by referring to "civil unions" he's saying their gheys go do your civil unions with the state, and leave the church alone to share its sacraments.

Posted by: Iblis at March 05, 2014 09:43 AM (9221z)

327 Why did God make the gheys if for us not to hate them? What- color coordination?

Posted by: Duke Puk'em at March 05, 2014 09:43 AM (bUmSq)

328 I do think the Horde should remember that the real enemy is militantism, not necessarily gays, atheists, or whatever the leftist countercultural flavor of the decade happens to be.

The real enemy are those that can't stand to leave you alone to enjoy your traditions, your beliefs, and your lifestyle, because they are so fucking damaged they have to make everyone just as damaged as they are.

That's the pathology of a militant. It doesn't matter what they are militant about.

Posted by: grognard at March 05, 2014 09:43 AM (/29Nl)

329 As if the people who keep on complaining about how h8ful and backward the church is would join it under any circumstances.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 05, 2014 09:43 AM (r+7wo)

330 Their customers are people who want a "Church." That's what Unitarianism is for.

Posted by: toby928© embraces tribalism at March 05, 2014 09:43 AM (QupBk)

331 One thing I love about my pastor's preaching is that it often (lovingly) challenges the way I am living my life. It may not be pleasant for me to take in at the time, but I wouldn't have it any other way.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 05, 2014 01:37 PM (r+7wo)

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As the old saying goes: The truth will set you free, but first it will fuck up your day.

Posted by: Soona at March 05, 2014 09:43 AM (pHRUK)

332 Anyway, Wendy, Daughter of Moloch, seems to have lost a big chuck of Catholics--Hispanic Catholics, to be precise.

Whether they will vote for her in the general is suggested otherwise.

The fellow she lost their vote to was a Hispanic who spent pennies but made her abortion stance the beginning and end of his campaign.

Posted by: RoyalOil at March 05, 2014 09:43 AM (VjL9S)

333 Will the Pope agree to make a cake for Civil Unions?

Posted by: Paul Bearer at March 05, 2014 09:43 AM (Kz9dH)

334 328 Why did God make the gheys if for us not to hate them? What- color coordination?

Posted by: Duke Puk'em at March 05, 2014 01:43 PM (bUmSq)

God wanted to make sure we had somebody to mix the party tapes. It's a sign of His love for us.

Posted by: joncelli at March 05, 2014 09:44 AM (RD7QR)

335 Romans 1: 26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 05, 2014 09:44 AM (r+7wo)

336 Further, one is NOT "homophobic" for disagreeing with homosexuals. (Over their actions if acting upon their self professed orientation, etc.). One cannot hate a pedophile for example, if one notices the folly of their claimed orientation. It's not about "hate" it's about recognition of dysfunction.

One does not also condone friends or relatives of activity they realize is wrong for a host of very principled reasons. It does not connote IRRATIONAL "hate" etc.

This is why this whole debate is poisoned. It's like arguing a prolifer is only such over hating women or wanting them barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen. It's not their position. It's a distortion and a lie.

Sure wish such folks would debate honestly.

Posted by: Mehow at March 05, 2014 09:44 AM (def5M)

337 Mark 12:17
"And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him.">>

I know the context is taxes but it applies to what a civil union does for a person. It confers on them legal rights from the govt to enforce a contract. Marriage in a church is making a promise to God which he will enforce when you stand before him.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at March 05, 2014 09:45 AM (wrS2o)

338

I think popes should be allowed to marry.

The deuce you say.

Posted by: That Borgia Pope at March 05, 2014 09:45 AM (A0sHn)

339

Times change. People / institutions who don't change with it get left behind.

Interesting choice of words.

But, you have it backwards.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 05, 2014 09:45 AM (eoeps)

340 Why doesn't Francis shut up about the gay shite and speak out about this: Kim Jong-Un 'orders 33 people to be executed because they made contact with Christian missionary'

Posted by: Gay Judge Pug at March 05, 2014 09:46 AM (6Nj7A)

341 Posting religious content is a sign that a blogger is about to quit. Seriously--I've noticed the pattern before.

Posted by: tasker at March 05, 2014 09:46 AM (RJMhd)

342 Obama knew CIA monitored Senate? Well, that used to be serious anyway.

Posted by: Beagle at March 05, 2014 09:46 AM (sOtz/)

343
Oh FFS, nothing says this interview was done on Ash Wednesday, despite that a paper wanted to make a big splash on that day, and we don't yet even have the actual full interview.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 05, 2014 09:46 AM (gorVZ)

344 Yeah you're right. He'll have an awful life with 4 devoted parents and a huge extended family for support. Much better if his parents were two abusive drunks living in the ghetto...but hey they're not evil HOMOS, so it's all cool, right? Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 05, 2014 01:20 PM (0LHZx) You really need to study this issue a lot more extensively before you opine on it. Go look up how many boys who were molested who later "Discovered" that they were homosexual. Figure it out.

Posted by: D-Lamp at March 05, 2014 09:46 AM (bb5+k)

345 Or a blog is about to blow up to bits/

Posted by: tasker at March 05, 2014 09:46 AM (RJMhd)

346 337 Sure wish such folks would debate honestly.
I wish I would win the Powerball.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 05, 2014 09:46 AM (HFap2)

347 Times change. People / institutions who don't change with it get left behind. This is PoMo "thinking," that there are no absolutes, no timeless truths and no God. It's the ultimate in solipsism. I'll gladly remain behind if it means retaining my sanity.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit[/i][/u][/b][/s] at March 05, 2014 09:46 AM (0HooB)

348 Can we get Benedict back?

Posted by: L, elle at March 05, 2014 01:40 PM (0xqKe)

I miss my German shepherd.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 05, 2014 09:47 AM (zF6Iw)

349 Mook has people skills! He's a natural born leader, folks. Best hop on board the Mook train or be left behind.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 05, 2014 09:48 AM (ZPrif)

350 Just me fumbling about for the right words. I guess I mean that today's Christians look at homosexuality as a greater sin than Fred poking Rosie, wife of Joe. Posted by: Sphynx at March 05, 2014 01:20 PM (OZmbA) And as I mentioned, I know of no *CITIES* wiped out because of adultery. I know of THREE CITIES wiped out over homosexuality.

Posted by: D-Lamp at March 05, 2014 09:48 AM (bb5+k)

351 Wasn't MooMoo advocating for purging SoCons from the Right? Or do I have that wrong?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 05, 2014 09:48 AM (gBnkX)

352 What's so civil about a man's penis in union with another man's anus or mouth?

Posted by: Alec Baldwin at March 05, 2014 09:48 AM (BHdYW)

353 There is only one unforgivable sin and that cursing and rejecting the Holy Spirit once it is known to you.

Posted by: Paul Bearer at March 05, 2014 09:48 AM (Kz9dH)

354 "This thread is Exhibits A, B, C why the GOP will never win another national election again unless it runs away as fast as it can from So-Cons. "
***

The rising ire of a national coalition of black pastors reached a climax Tuesday as the organization announced a campaign to call for the impeachment of Attorney General Eric Holder on the basis that he has violated his oath of office by Â“attempting to impose same-sex Â‘marriageÂ’ throughout the nationÂ…Â”

According to a press release, the Coalition of African American Pastors (CAAP) said it will Â“launch a grassroots effort seeking to secure the signatures of one million people calling for Attorney General Eric Holder to be impeached.Â”

You can't spell "liberal" without "cognitive dissonance".

Posted by: B at March 05, 2014 09:49 AM (5OEha)

355 Ever wonder why there are a thousand Protestant denominations? You get these debates going and very few blogs can survive it.

Posted by: tasker at March 05, 2014 09:49 AM (RJMhd)

356 Marketing 101: Renounce and alienate your existing customer base.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 05, 2014 09:49 AM (ZshNr)

357 grognard: That's the pathology of a militant. It doesn't matter what they are militant about.

This. They don't really want marriage ... they want to tear heterosexual marriage down. Most gays that get married end up regretting that decision in a few years.

If they just wanted to deal with partner hospitalization issues, a signed and notarized power of attorney ( medical ) is nearly free in most states. A full power of attorney gives gays far more control over a spouse's business than a mere marriage certificate.

Posted by: Kristophr at March 05, 2014 09:49 AM (c6N69)

358 so.

Posted by: willow at March 05, 2014 09:49 AM (nqBYe)

359 353 What's so civil about a man's penis in union with another man's anus or mouth?

Posted by: Alec Baldwin at March 05, 2014 01:48 PM (BHdYW)

Maybe the uniter asked the unitee politely.

Posted by: joncelli at March 05, 2014 09:49 AM (RD7QR)

360
Dude, this article is hugely mistaken.

It isn't about him considering Civil Unions. The point he is making is that gay couples with children are a fact in developed nations, and the Church has to figure out how to deal with this fact.

The idea that the Catholic Church will come out in support of Civil Unions is ridiculous wish-casting by the leftwing CNN religion beat reporter.

Posted by: dan-O at March 05, 2014 09:49 AM (D0bIN)

361 Times change. People / institutions who don't change with it get left behind. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 05, 2014 01:37 PM (0LHZx) Times end. Human endeavors end. "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today, yes and forever." Heb 13:8

Posted by: Mindy at March 05, 2014 09:49 AM (RMfGb)

362 Did the church just do a 180 deg. turn on buggery while I was sleeping?

Are they now calling it Ass Wednesday? E-gads.

Posted by: Fritz at March 05, 2014 09:49 AM (PnMCP)

363 Mook is always up for a Purge of the icky socons. Kind of his thing.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 05, 2014 09:50 AM (ZPrif)

364 340 Times change. People / institutions who don't change with it get left behind.
Interesting choice of words.But, you have it backwards.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 05, 2014 01:45 PM (eoeps)
You mean a behind gets left?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 05, 2014 09:50 AM (HFap2)

365 Are they now calling it Ass Wednesday? E-gads.

Posted by: Fritz at March 05, 2014 01:49 PM (PnMCP)

Thread winner.

Posted by: EC at March 05, 2014 09:50 AM (GQ8sn)

366 People aren't thinking this through very carefully. Civil Unions creates an official government version of marriage, which is the established, official kind. If you don't think this morphs into being the ONLY officially recognized kind (for taxes etc) in short order, you've not been paying attention the last 20 years.
"He's right in that there are a lot of gay Christians. "
I think this is a gross overstatement. There aren't a lot of gay ANYTHING unless its makeup artists in Hollywood. Given that the homosexual population is under 5% of humanity, and homosexuals are not exactly inclined to go to church or be Christians, that statement is simply not accurate in any way.
There are homosexual Christians, such as this lesbian interviewed on the White Horse Inn, but a "lot" is simply ridiculous.
http://tinyurl.com/kspqzat

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 05, 2014 09:50 AM (zfY+H)

367 "Oh FFS, nothing says this interview was done on Ash Wednesday, despite that a paper wanted to make a big splash on that day, and we don't yet even have the actual full interview."
=============

If once or twice you misspeak or are mistranslated and your underlings have to explain what you really meant or said, that's just life.

If this happens every single time you open your mouth? It might indicate a problem at some point.

Posted by: Kensington (@NYKensington) at March 05, 2014 09:50 AM (/AHDz)

368 I'm such a bad Catholic. I really shouldn't be commenting on this. Or on the Pope.

Posted by: Kensington (@NYKensington) at March 05, 2014 09:51 AM (/AHDz)

369 What they are saying, fromabroad, is the "constitution" somehow ensures equal protection on whatever they want, ignores it whenever inconvenient, etc. In a nutshell, we have a society of people that cannot reason logically and correctly, while many of them lecture others on that and cannot research history or events and laws in other nations who then argue you are making slippery slope points unfairly.

IOW, the inmates run the asylum.

Can I move to Russia now?

Posted by: Mehow at March 05, 2014 09:51 AM (def5M)

370

Romans 1:

The following is just shit-stirring and is not meant to deprecate believers. I'm not a believer, but I read the bible and pay attention and stuff. The Jesus message is cool. Paul is a whiny bitch, bossing people about, usurping authority, and generally responsible for what I don't like in X-ianity.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at March 05, 2014 09:51 AM (A0sHn)

371 As if the people who keep on complaining about how h8ful and backward the church is would join it under any circumstances.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 05, 2014 01:43 PM (r+7wo)

Chique, you remind me of the Bishop Fulton Sheen quote (I paraphrase): "There aren't a hundred people who hate the Catholic Church. But there are a thousand people who hate what they think is the Catholic Church."

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 05, 2014 09:51 AM (zF6Iw)

372 359 so. Posted by: willow at March 05, 2014 01:49 PM (nqBYe) Is that the "Nood" call?

Posted by: AMDG at March 05, 2014 09:51 AM (t7OO0)

373 Maybe the uniter asked the unitee politely.

Posted by: joncelli at March 05, 2014 01:49 PM (RD7QR)

But how could the uniter understand the unitee if the unitee's mouth was full?

Posted by: Alec Baldwin at March 05, 2014 09:51 AM (BHdYW)

374 See the blogger say to himself--look at that thread going and going--but it weirdly kills a blog in toto.

Posted by: tasker at March 05, 2014 09:51 AM (RJMhd)

375 You want to saolve this problem? $25,000 Gift Vouchers for each Civil Union.

Posted by: garrett at March 05, 2014 09:51 AM (OU4/+)

376 "Times change. People / institutions who don't change with it get left behind. "
"He who marries the spirit of the age is soon a widower."
-Dean Inge

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 05, 2014 09:51 AM (zfY+H)

377 Judicial abandonment... we're doomed.

Posted by: AngieS at March 05, 2014 09:52 AM (C8JaN)

378 You want to saolve this problem?

$25,000 Gift Vouchers for each Civil Union.

Posted by: garrett at March 05, 2014 01:51 PM (OU4/+)

Valid only within Detroit city limits.

Posted by: EC at March 05, 2014 09:52 AM (GQ8sn)

379 25,000 Vatican Dollars. Redeemable in the Vatican Gift Shop and Vatican Food Court.

Posted by: garrett at March 05, 2014 09:52 AM (OU4/+)

380 What the Catholic church needs is a new Council of Nicea. If they can decide that the first day of the week is the sabbath as opposed to the seventh day of the week, then they can decide that penis to penis and vag to vag marriage is Okie dokie.

Posted by: Hiding Behind Sock at March 05, 2014 09:52 AM (OZmbA)

381 BurnTheWitch:

Libtards always look for levers to cause strife amongst their enemies. They aren't very smart about it, but they are persistent, like goats trying to escape a pen.

Posted by: Kristophr at March 05, 2014 09:52 AM (c6N69)

382 I think the point of the problem is that when it comes to this Pope in particular, the headline never matches the content of the story.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 05, 2014 09:52 AM (ZshNr)

383 342 Posting religious content is a sign that a blogger is about to quit. Seriously--I've noticed the pattern before. Posted by: tasker at March 05, 2014 01:46 PM (RJMhd) Yes, Ace is going to enter a nunnery.

Posted by: Gay Judge Pug at March 05, 2014 09:53 AM (6Nj7A)

384 Why did God make the gheys if for us not to hate them? What- color coordination?

Somewhat clever form of "if God made man, and man sins, God made man sin". Or "God made Satan, therefore God created evil."

In truth God made man, God gave man choice and reason and guidance. We're separated from Him physically and in memory to give us a place to make mistakes and to recover from them. If you sin in God's presence, you have to be ejected because God and sin are completely incompatible. God gave us a Savior in order to take on Him our sins so that we can be clean and satisfy the laws of Justice and Mercy at the same time. Sin exists because opposition in all things is an eternal law. Without sin there is no righteousness. Without virtue there is no vice. But to be God or in the presence of God those things must not be in any part of you.

Homosexuality exists because we all have flaws, and we are invited to come to God in meekness and humility, to invite Him to help us with our flaws so that we may become strong.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at March 05, 2014 09:53 AM (P7Wsr)

385 anyway, i guess i'll step in it again saying this. I believe the 'bible' was written as a warning to not involve oneself with things that might damage your soul. If this is the precept of the 'bible' why does one think the concept of sin has changed? our reactions to it might , but? this is really just a question. and the other obey the laws of the land does not necessarily mean you approve but accept what it is -IS? and still follow as you believe in what you were taught on a personal level? is this the right forum . I guess it is, as we are trying to grok the Pope's intent ?

Posted by: willow at March 05, 2014 09:53 AM (nqBYe)

386 "If this happens every single time you open your mouth? It might indicate a problem at some point."
Or, perhaps, people interviewing you have a reason for what they keep getting wrong...

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 05, 2014 09:53 AM (zfY+H)

387 374 Maybe the uniter asked the unitee politely.

Posted by: joncelli at March 05, 2014 01:49 PM (RD7QR)
But how could the uniter understand the unitee if the unitee's mouth was full?

Posted by: Alec Baldwin at March 05, 2014 01:51 PM (BHdYW)

Come on, what's unclear about "Mmmmphg! Mmmphrmmph!"

Posted by: joncelli at March 05, 2014 09:53 AM (RD7QR)

388 I think the point of the problem is that when it comes to this Pope in particular, the ~~headline~~ Carpet never matches the drapes ~~content of the story~~.

Posted by: garrett at March 05, 2014 09:54 AM (OU4/+)

389 384 342 Posting religious content is a sign that a blogger is about to quit. Seriously--I've noticed the pattern before. Posted by: tasker at March 05, 2014 01:46 PM (RJMhd) Yes, Ace is going to enter a nunnery. Posted by: Gay Judge Pug at March 05, 2014 01:53 PM (6Nj7A) ********** Ha! I hope he does that one that has wings on their heads....

Posted by: tasker at March 05, 2014 09:54 AM (RJMhd)

390 There is no reason for a religion to worry about a government-approved union of consenting adults. There has never been a reason for government to be involved in the religious sacrament of marriage. Civil union and marriage. Two different things.

Posted by: Meremortal at March 05, 2014 09:54 AM (1Y+hH)

391

>>>>If this happens every single time you open your mouth? It might indicate a problem at some point. <<<<<

Like a problem media purposely misinforming or mistranslating? Like that?
But I did hear that Romney gave a woman cancer.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 05, 2014 09:54 AM (gorVZ)

392 Anyone can get a piece sanctified in our time.

Posted by: His holiness Neville Chamberlain at March 05, 2014 09:54 AM (FbMva)

393 Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at March 05, 2014 01:51 PM (A0sHn) You're welcome to your opinion. The church has historically considered Paul's epistles as Scripture on par with the other books. Paul also had a lot of cool things to say, e.g., about the gospel being for all, including us Gentiles. But whatever.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 05, 2014 09:54 AM (r+7wo)

394 "Oh Hellz no with the gheys"

--- Revelations 10:2

Posted by: Dr Spank at March 05, 2014 09:54 AM (P1WNR)

395 293 Off to Wally World anyone need anything? Yeah, I need fabric paint for Sunday. Gonna let the little kids decorate tote bags to carry their Bibles in for children's worship.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at March 05, 2014 09:55 AM (4Chvm)

396 and, in those 'times' i believe they were tossing their children to Moloch and those were 'times' they were in and so? so should Rabbi's have stated ok toss your kids because these are the times we are in? or was it a declaration to not do as others do

Posted by: willow at March 05, 2014 09:56 AM (nqBYe)

397 I suppose the next thing is he will say he is personally pro-life but is OK with others making their own decisions on abortion.

Posted by: Chris Vaughn at March 05, 2014 09:56 AM (h+2SD)

398 Clearly what the Church needs is more advice from atheists.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 05, 2014 09:56 AM (ZPrif)

399 Mitt could never have done it without me!

Posted by: Mitt Romney's Cancerous Magic Underwear at March 05, 2014 09:56 AM (Aif/5)

400 I'll leave it to the Latinists in Vatican City to parse meanings. Marriage is one man and one woman, forsaking all others, unto the generations.
Why does the Roman Church want to notice a tax fiddle for queers?

Posted by: The Bard of Baltimore's Bloody Blade at March 05, 2014 09:56 AM (1/4XQ)

401 OK, missionary positionists, I gotta go do stuff. Y'all have fun and try not to trash the place, 'k?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit[/i][/u][/b][/s] at March 05, 2014 09:56 AM (0HooB)

402 Tasker, the funny thing is that there is less acrimonious (or other type of) disagreement on this thread compared to a lot of the others. (Moo Moo's ramblings excepted.)

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 05, 2014 09:57 AM (r+7wo)

403 404 Tasker, the funny thing is that there is less acrimonious (or other type of) disagreement on this thread compared to a lot of the others. (Moo Moo's ramblings excepted.) Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 05, 2014 01:57 PM (r+7wo) ************ Ya--cripes that's probably true.

Posted by: tasker at March 05, 2014 09:57 AM (RJMhd)

404 255 This thread is Exhibits A, B, C why the GOP will never win another national election again unless it runs away as fast as it can from So-Cons. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 05, 2014 01:32 PM (0LHZx) And the winning of such elections will accomplish nothing but having the GOP presiding over the destruction. You simply don't get it Moo Moo, there are financial consequences to social policy. You are just too short sighted and ignorant to understand this yet. At some point, the CORRECT thing to do is to tell the public at large to go fuck themselves.

Posted by: D-Lamp at March 05, 2014 09:57 AM (bb5+k)

405 >>>If they can decide that the first day of the week is the sabbath as opposed to the seventh day of the week, then they can decide that penis to penis and vag to vag marriage is Okie dokie. Um no. They can't willy nilly change stuff they've already proclaimed to be true. For instance, the teaching that homosexual sex is a mortal sin will not change even if they accept the existence of civil unions for practical reasons. The requirement would be to the Church that you live in celibacy.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at March 05, 2014 09:57 AM (uvjrz)

406

Ha!

I hope he does that one that has wings on their heads....

Posted by: tasker at March 05, 2014 01:54 PM (RJMhd)

The Sisters of Charity.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 05, 2014 09:58 AM (zF6Iw)

407 The Pope is delusional. If gays had wanted "civil unions" they could have already had those. They want to get married, in a church, by people who disapprove of the entire thing. Nothing less will satisfy.

Posted by: navybrat at March 05, 2014 09:58 AM (AW7Gr)

408 meremortal, yeah I don't know why He felt inclined to chime in .

Posted by: willow at March 05, 2014 09:58 AM (nqBYe)

409 If once or twice you misspeak or are mistranslated and your underlings have to explain what you really meant or said, that's just life.

If this happens every single time you open your mouth? It might indicate a problem at some point.

Posted by: Kensington (@NYKensington) at March 05, 2014 01:50 PM (/AHDz)

-------------------------------------------------

Excellent point.

Posted by: Soona at March 05, 2014 09:58 AM (pHRUK)

410 and, in those 'times' i believe they were tossing their children to Moloch and those were 'times' they were in and so? so should Rabbi's have stated ok toss your kids because these are the times we are in? or was it a declaration to not do as others do Posted by: willow at March 05, 2014 01:56 PM (nqBYe) Exactly, and the Old Testament FORBADE sacrificing of children to Moloch. A huge part of Israel's sin, which eventually led to their exile, was trying to be like the nations around them.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 05, 2014 09:58 AM (r+7wo)

411 Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 05, 2014 01:32 PM (0LHZx) Don't worry yer pretty little head, loser, we're still terminally boned, it ain't changin' anytime soon. Posted by: Kinley Ardal at March 05, 2014 01:33 PM (9LuAk) That is exactly what this dumbass doesn't understand. Opposition to SoCons is a SYMPTOM, not a cause.

Posted by: D-Lamp at March 05, 2014 09:59 AM (bb5+k)

412 CNN Headline: Pope Supports Legalizing Dope. Pope says: Weeds can have pretty flowers, too. Cow says: Moo.

Posted by: Different day at March 05, 2014 09:59 AM (bUmSq)

413 "...Francis' prioritization is bringing the Word to everyone, and avoiding positions which would "vaccinate" people against hearing it."
So, they're saying the Holy Father is doing bait and switch?
"No, no, no, adultery is OK if it's with your butt pal, or if you're gap lapping with your gal pal, gals."

Posted by: The Bard of Baltimore's Bloody Blade at March 05, 2014 09:59 AM (1/4XQ)

414 409 The Pope is delusional. If gays had wanted "civil unions" they could have already had those. They want to get married, in a church, by people who disapprove of the entire thing. Nothing less will satisfy.

Posted by: navybrat at March 05, 2014 01:58 PM (AW7Gr)

Everybody has to approve of them but Daddy has to approve most of all.

Posted by: joncelli at March 05, 2014 09:59 AM (RD7QR)

415 They make habits for ewoks?

Posted by: Adam at March 05, 2014 09:59 AM (Aif/5)

416 Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at March 05, 2014 01:51 PM (A0sHn I am a Christian and Paul is my least favorite person in the Bible. The road to Damascus incident though is one of many similar stories through out History that reaffirms my faith.

Posted by: Paul Bearer at March 05, 2014 10:00 AM (Kz9dH)

417 >>stuff they've already proclaimed to be true<<

So, not true until proclaimed true? 'Remember the Sabbath to keep it Holy' not true. 'Sunday go to meeting day' true. ??

Posted by: Hiding Behind Sock at March 05, 2014 10:00 AM (OZmbA)

418 That Frank and Oak "Manly" ad is a joke right?

Posted by: eleven at March 05, 2014 10:00 AM (Hy7dS)

419 I suppose the next thing is he will say he is personally pro-life but is OK with others making their own decisions on abortion. He said that already.

Posted by: Meremortal at March 05, 2014 10:00 AM (1Y+hH)

420 409 Yep, nothint but public celebration of the lifestyle will suffice. I used to just not care, but then was made to. Not in a good way for them though.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 05, 2014 10:00 AM (ojnk6)

421 I *used* to not hate the homos. Hell, I used to not care, one way or the other about them, but, since they've FORCED me to care I'm pretty unhappy with them. I care, just not in the way they want. I'm beginning to think Iran's got the right idea vis a vis homosexuality. Posted by: GMan at March 05, 2014 01:33 PM (sxq57) In 1787, the normal method for dealing with homosexuality was execution. For some reason, they saw them as threats to society back then. Can't imagine why.

Posted by: D-Lamp at March 05, 2014 10:00 AM (bb5+k)

422 And, of course, the biggest scandal in modern Church history was directly caused by gays -- the abuse problems were 98%+ done by gay priests abusing young teenage boys.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 05, 2014 10:00 AM (ZPrif)

423 Its the Gell-Mann Amnesia Effect, at work. People read a story in the news about a topic which they are an expert in and see 10 different inaccuracies and outright lies. They rail against the news and how stupid and messed up it is.
Then they turn the page and see a story about how cheese and meat is deadly and go "ooh maybe I should cut back."

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 05, 2014 10:01 AM (zfY+H)

424 Being raised in comfort and prosperity do not make a good person. I.E., the Kennedys. Posted by: Soona at March 05, 2014 01:34 PM (pHRUK) Indeed, it more often has the opposite effect.

Posted by: D-Lamp at March 05, 2014 10:01 AM (bb5+k)

425 408 Ha! I hope he does that one that has wings on their heads.... Posted by: tasker at March 05, 2014 01:54 PM (RJMhd) The Sisters of Charity. Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 05, 2014 01:58 PM (zF6Iw) *********** Hmmmm... I think Ewoks might look better in brown. Is there an order that wears brown well?

Posted by: tasker at March 05, 2014 10:01 AM (RJMhd)

426 I am a Christian and Paul is my least favorite person in the Bible. Posted by: Paul Bearer at March 05, 2014 02:00 PM (Kz9dH) Funny, he is the mortal I love and admire the most.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 05, 2014 10:01 AM (r+7wo)

427 So I take it homosexuality is no longer a sin in the Catholic Church or one which requires people to abstain from. If so, when are the civil union ceremonies going to start at my local parish.

Posted by: MJH at March 05, 2014 10:02 AM (CrYUO)

428 I think I admire Peter the most, poor guy, he was just like me too often.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 05, 2014 10:02 AM (zfY+H)

429 Posted by: D-Lamp at March 05, 2014 02:00 PM (bb5+k) Um, I'm admitting you are just stating historical facts and not actually sympathetic to capital punishment for homosexuality?

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 05, 2014 10:03 AM (r+7wo)

430 395 Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at March 05, 2014 01:51 PM (A0sHn) You're welcome to your opinion. The church has historically considered Paul's epistles as Scripture on par with the other books. Paul also had a lot of cool things to say, e.g., about the gospel being for all, including us Gentiles. But whatever. Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 05, 2014 01:54 PM (r+7wo) Also, he should read Jesus again. One thing Jesus was on and on about was divorce. The proscription against divorce is exclusively Christian and goes throughout the gospels. That's just one example. In many ways, Jesus was far more fanatical than Paul.

Posted by: AmishDude at March 05, 2014 10:03 AM (T0NGe)

431 I don't know a single person who legitimately hates gay people just for being gay. They certainly exist. I don't know any.

I don't know a single person who legitimately hates atheists for being atheists. They also certainly exist. I don't know any.

I DO know a lot of people who hate gays and atheists that try to undermine their traditions, in a misguided attempt to create a new normal.

What they are doing, without the torture and murder, is a Secular Inquisition. It was wrong then and it is wrong now. If they truly feel their lifestyle is normal, that their views are normal, than they should LIVE THEM and let them serve as an example. This is maturity and sanity, and not adolescent temper tantrums.

Everyone, of every belief structure, needs to stop fucking with other people to fill a hole in their own heart. It won't help except to tear down the world around.

The very world that, built on the foundations they loathe, gives them the luxury of spending time trying to undermine them.

And you can't Torquemada anything.

Posted by: grognard at March 05, 2014 10:03 AM (/29Nl)

432 291 What's the birth certificate going to look like? Mother: Susie Brown. Father: Semen Blend Posted by: Lincolntf at March 05, 2014 01:37 PM (ZshNr) Nah, it's gonna say he was born in Honolulu.

Posted by: D-Lamp at March 05, 2014 10:04 AM (bb5+k)

433 My mom goes to a Catholic Church that has gone full-on moonbat. Two very influential members of the Lay Council are also very influential local politicians, of the flaming Lib moonbat variety, and they have virtually taken over the church. This so-called Catholic Church is all in for every Prog cause. The infiltrators even got the freakin organist fired because he wasn't liberal enough for them. Needless to say, this church endorsed Obama. It's creating quite the stink. My Mom and her friends aren't happy about it but they are old and set in their ways. They'd rather stay and wait for "things to get back to normal." I tried telling her that things NEVER get back to normal once the Progs take over.

Posted by: Citizen X at March 05, 2014 10:04 AM (7ObY1)

434 Let's put it this way - if Paul were Speaker of the House instead of Boehner, we'd have impeached the SCOAMF already.

Posted by: Votermom at March 05, 2014 10:04 AM (GSIDW)

435 Is there an order that wears brown well? I don't see ace as a chanter.

Posted by: eleven at March 05, 2014 10:04 AM (Hy7dS)

436 meremortal, yeah I don't know why He felt inclined to chime in . Posted by: willow The largest problem the Church has today is loss of supporting membership, which means loss of power. The Church will do whatever is necessary to grow its membership. It has calculated that more members will be picked up than lost by moving toward Unitarian-style ideas. The Church is a secular organization now, with vestigal trappings of a religion for show.

Posted by: Meremortal at March 05, 2014 10:04 AM (1Y+hH)

437 chique, yeah i actually hate having these conversations because i realize how hurtful it can be to our cohesiveness, one is religious aspect and duty to your adherents the other is compassion for our personal frailty.

Posted by: willow at March 05, 2014 10:04 AM (nqBYe)

438 Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 05, 2014 02:02 PM (zfY+H) Peter is my favorite also.

Posted by: Paul Bearer at March 05, 2014 10:05 AM (Kz9dH)

439 I think Ewoks might look better in brown.

Is there an order that wears brown well?

Posted by: tasker at March 05, 2014 02:01 PM (RJMhd)

The Bene Gesserit Sisterhood.

Posted by: EC at March 05, 2014 10:05 AM (GQ8sn)

440 Did Ace get a hold of some Hot Pockets?

Posted by: garrett at March 05, 2014 10:05 AM (OU4/+)

441 I think this is a gross overstatement. There aren't a lot of gay ANYTHING unless its makeup artists in Hollywood. Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 05, 2014 01:50 PM (zfY+H) Wow. In my small world, a lawyer, a major newspaper employee, an industrial designer, animators, accountant, architect... all across the country (including the south). Wth? Really? I suppose you just may not know who is gay around you. So many people do not. Many gay people just won't "come out of the closet" even now. Wonder why...

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 05, 2014 10:05 AM (IXrOn)

442 Funny, he is the mortal I love and admire the most. Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 05, 2014 02:01 PM (r+7wo) I'm with you on that, chique. I'm a bit surprised at the Paul-bashing.

Posted by: Citizen X at March 05, 2014 10:05 AM (7ObY1)

443 Can we haz any kind of new thread? Even an open one? Pretty please?

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 05, 2014 10:06 AM (ojnk6)

444 "Like a problem media purposely misinforming or mistranslating? Like that? But I did hear that Romney gave a woman cancer."
===============

No, not like that, because, for example, whilst the media demonized Pope Benedict, somehow they never seemed to have the raw materials to make him sound like the Archbishop of Canterbury or Marianne Williamson.

Posted by: Kensington (@NYKensington) at March 05, 2014 10:06 AM (/AHDz)

445 What about civil unions to little boys? I am asking for a friend.

Posted by: Harry Reid at March 05, 2014 10:06 AM (bitz6)

446 Is there an order that wears brown well? The Daughters of Yub

Posted by: garrett at March 05, 2014 10:06 AM (OU4/+)

447 437 Is there an order that wears brown well? I don't see ace as a chanter. Posted by: eleven at March 05, 2014 02:04 PM (Hy7dS) ********** Is that a nun order or one of those monk things? omg--I'm going to get shot. I'm off to the googles, catch you guys later. Ace will probably just post an Althouse thread next.

Posted by: tasker at March 05, 2014 10:06 AM (RJMhd)

448

BRB - Booking the rooms for Vatican III.

Posted by: Pope Okey-Dokey

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 05, 2014 10:06 AM (kdS6q)

449 UPS wears brown well.

Posted by: Sphynx at March 05, 2014 10:07 AM (OZmbA)

450 Before you bake my wedding cake, you will blow me...

Posted by: Gay Judge Pug at March 05, 2014 10:07 AM (6Nj7A)

451
As best stated by someone above, No, the Pope did not say buggering each other is now ok.

Next topic.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 05, 2014 10:07 AM (gorVZ)

452 I am asking Moo Moo if he wishes to have a gay son. WISHES, not 'I would be fine with it IF he was gay'. And if not, why? Please avoid the crap 'he would be shunned by society etc etc' because it is not true. Nowadays a underperforming gay person is impossible to fire, they managed to infiltrate all Human Resources jobs and union-type of organization and made well sure they can scream at homophobia if someone attempts to make them redundant on the basis of poor performance. In the UK where I live when filling in papers about your religion, race, nationality, gender etc, it is also very much asked sexual orientation, which means they monitor if they fill the right quota for muslims, blacks, and also homosexuals and transsexuals. I would not be surprised if a lesbian with less expertise than me passes me over based on her 'filling the quota'. This is done by any mid size to major corporation and even the ones with headquarters in other countries where this is NOT requested. Is this the world you want to live in?

Posted by: fromabroad at March 05, 2014 10:07 AM (rnV3B)

453 @437 et passim... Franciscans, duh! Also, not sure if they're still active, but the Capucine monks wore brown and distinctive whiskers, too, I believe, whence the beverage and the monkeys.

Posted by: The Bard of Baltimore's Bloody Blade at March 05, 2014 10:07 AM (1/4XQ)

454 Obama calls Putin. http://i62.tinypic.com/30kek1s.jpg

Posted by: WalrusRex at March 05, 2014 10:07 AM (Hx5uv)

455 Let's put it this way - if Paul were Speaker of the House instead of Boehner, we'd have impeached the SCOAMF already. Posted by: Votermom at March 05, 2014 02:04 PM (GSIDW) There's a piece out today (I think at PJMedia) where they suggest Rand's libertarian credibility is hurt due to the Russian invasion.)

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 05, 2014 10:07 AM (IXrOn)

456 Is there an order that wears brown well? Sisters of Merci

Posted by: garrett at March 05, 2014 10:07 AM (OU4/+)

457 341
Why doesn't Francis shut up about the gay shite and speak out about this:

Kim Jong-Un 'orders 33 people to be executed because they made contact with Christian missionary'

Posted by: Gay Judge Pug at March 05, 2014 01:46 PM (6Nj7A)

********

Or the treatment of Christians in the Middle East and Africa. This Pope needs a little time with God about priorities and public pronouncements.

Posted by: gracepmc at March 05, 2014 10:07 AM (rznx3)

458 Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 05, 2014 02:05 PM (IXrOn) Regardless, the gay population is still very small. Compare the number of gay people you know to the number that aren't (even allowing for people still in the closet). And I think certain cities have a much larger gay % of the population than others.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 05, 2014 10:08 AM (r+7wo)

459 The Roman Catholic Church was staunchly conservative (and Republican) in the past and the left made a huge, concerted effort to get in there and change from within. Its had a lot of success in Latin America and the US, as well as other places, but like all American churches, the individual parishes vary a lot. Some are basically leftist lunacy and some are very orthodox and conservative still.
I've been to presbyterian churches that have beautiful buildings, beautiful music, and very careful liturgy... then the pastor stands up and gives a Democratic Party speech on the latest hot button issue (racism, feminism, environmentalism etc) with a few scripture verses to make it seem Christian still.
Its sad to see happen, but as Citizen X says once that cancer metastasizes, it never gets better. One might almost say Christ took that candle away.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 05, 2014 10:08 AM (zfY+H)

460 What can brown do for you?

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 05, 2014 10:08 AM (bitz6)

461 Is there an order that wears brown well? Posted by: tasker at March 05, 2014 02:01 PM (RJMhd) Carmelites.

Posted by: AMDG at March 05, 2014 10:08 AM (t7OO0)

462 Peter is my favorite also. +1

Posted by: ANderson Cooper at March 05, 2014 10:08 AM (OU4/+)

463 i think i have foot and mouth disease.

Posted by: willow at March 05, 2014 10:08 AM (nqBYe)

464 458 Is there an order that wears brown well? The Stasi?

Posted by: Citizen X at March 05, 2014 10:08 AM (7ObY1)

465 I believe the 'bible' was written as a warning to not involve oneself with things that might damage your soul. If this is the precept of the 'bible'
why does one think the concept of sin has changed?
our reactions to it might , but? this is really just a question.
and the other obey the laws of the land does not necessarily mean you approve but accept what it is -IS?
and still follow as you believe in what you were taught on a personal level?

is this the right forum . I guess it is, as we are trying to grok the Pope's intent ?

Posted by: willow at March 05, 2014 01:53 PM (nqBYe)

-------------------------------------------------

I agree with you. And I'll also add that this is why socons/Christians are disdained by the world. We accept that what is happening in the world is actually happening. We just don't approve of it. And THAT is what chaps the world off. They MUST have our approval. Everyone must have the same mindset or someone might feel guilty for their actions.

Posted by: Soona at March 05, 2014 10:09 AM (pHRUK)

466 There's a piece out today (I think at PJMedia) where they suggest Rand's libertarian credibility is hurt due to the Russian invasion.) -- LOL. I meant St Paul.

Posted by: Votermom at March 05, 2014 10:09 AM (GSIDW)

467 OT (since we're over 250). Brandon Webb, former SEAL is going to run for an NRA board seat. Some quick background: I know Brandon. I've worked with him on some things. I'll keep my thoughts on his character to myself, but with regard to the NRA seat: KCUF NO! NFW. Ever. Never ever. thatisall.

Posted by: tangonine at March 05, 2014 10:09 AM (x3YFz)

468 456 Obama calls Putin.

http://i62.tinypic.com/30kek1s.jpg

Posted by: WalrusRex at March 05, 2014 02:07 PM (Hx5uv)

Oh Vlaaaaady! Yooo-hoooo!

Posted by: Barry at March 05, 2014 10:09 AM (RD7QR)

469 Carmelites. Problem with The Carmelites is the sticky goo. Then you have to call in The Calgonites.

Posted by: Citizen X at March 05, 2014 10:09 AM (7ObY1)

470 So far, what I get from the comments, is that Moo is ghey and from a sperm mix-up. Bless his bovine heart. This explains a lot of his comments. He doesn't know if he has two mommies, two daddys or if he is maybe like Chaz and totally confused and possibly of the Tubellarian class of flatworm.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Judge of Raciss Morons at March 05, 2014 10:09 AM (baL2B)

471 Obama calls Putin. http://i62.tinypic.com/30kek1s.jpg Posted by: WalrusRex at March 05, 2014 02:07 PM (Hx5uv) hehe

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 05, 2014 10:09 AM (IXrOn)

472 THE CLAMPDOWN http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psB0cidB5bg

Posted by: THE CLASH at March 05, 2014 10:10 AM (OU4/+)

473 >>Then you have to call in The Calgonites.<<

Heh. Take me away.

Posted by: Sphynx at March 05, 2014 10:10 AM (OZmbA)

474 "Wth? Really? I suppose you just may not know who is gay around you. So many people do not. Many gay people just won't "come out of the closet" even now. Wonder why..."
Pointing out there are few homosexuals in the human population is oppressive somehow? It doesn't matter how many you know or I know it matters what the objective facts are. There just are not very many, period.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 05, 2014 10:10 AM (zfY+H)

475 Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 05, 2014 02:01 PM (r+7wo) To me, Paul is like a former smoker who now has become the fanatical anti-smoker.

Posted by: Paul Bearer at March 05, 2014 10:10 AM (Kz9dH)

476 I'd like to see the Pope, or someone of similar standing, be very public about FGM/C.
Slaves can be freed.
Just's sayin'.

Posted by: The Bard of Baltimore's Bloody Blade at March 05, 2014 10:10 AM (1/4XQ)

477 My only wish about gays is to go 5 minutes without hearing about them.

Posted by: Meremortal at March 05, 2014 10:10 AM (1Y+hH)

478 Cause, you know, getting an employer to provide health insurance to the same-sex partner is really, really so much more important than saying sin is sin.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at March 05, 2014 10:11 AM (V70Uh)

479 Mark Knoller ‏@markknoller 41m Pres Obama calls it "a travesty" that Senate failed to confirm his nominee to head the Civil Rights Division at Justice, Debo Adegbile. Fuck you SCOAMF.

Posted by: RWC at March 05, 2014 10:11 AM (fWAjv)

480 fromabroad, they do not think that far ahead.

That be da problem...

Posted by: Mehow at March 05, 2014 10:11 AM (def5M)

481 Thank God I'm late to this thread....phew.

Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at March 05, 2014 10:11 AM (bCEmE)

482 @477 Yeah, no expert here but he seems oddly Pharisaical.

Posted by: The Bard of Baltimore's Bloody Blade at March 05, 2014 10:11 AM (1/4XQ)

483 You grow up and you calm down You're working for the clampdown You start wearing the blue and brown You're working for the clampdown So you got someone to boss around It makes you feel big now You drift until you brutalize You made your first kill now

Posted by: Citizen X at March 05, 2014 10:11 AM (7ObY1)

484 454 I am asking Moo Moo if he wishes to have a gay son. WISHES, not 'I would be fine with it IF he was gay'. I've been away from this thread for awhile. Moo Moo fomenting rage and stupidity? Nothing new. He just likes to be a contrarian. He wouldn't care if the son were ghey or aborted. That is his little world.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 05, 2014 10:11 AM (HVff2)

485 Just like my wish about Moo Moo.

Posted by: Meremortal at March 05, 2014 10:11 AM (1Y+hH)

486 "My mom goes to a Catholic Church that has gone full-on moonbat."
==========

Two anecdotes:

1. In 2008, my Brooklyn Catholic church held a Christmas bazaar in its basement. It was filled, wall-to-wall, with paintings of Barack Obama, drawings of Barack Obama, statutes of Barack Obama and other idolatrous odes to Barack Obama.

It was horrifying.

2. My local suburban Chicago church ran a letter from the local Cardinal touching upon a social issue in the weekly bulletin. The locals were infuriated! I heard one guy in the parking lot asking aloud why they were focusing on this crap rather than talking about "what they're doin' to the unions!"

At some point, I had to find another church.

Posted by: Kensington (@NYKensington) at March 05, 2014 10:12 AM (/AHDz)

487 It's also a travesty what Kal and I do to Reggie every night.

Posted by: King. Barakakakan I at March 05, 2014 10:12 AM (Aif/5)

488 Ace just called me and said this thread is it for the day.

Posted by: eleven at March 05, 2014 10:12 AM (Hy7dS)

489 Is there an order that wears brown well?

Posted by: tasker at March 05, 2014 02:01 PM (RJMhd)

The Carmelites are the best known. The Poor Clares also wear brown.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 05, 2014 10:12 AM (zF6Iw)

490 To me, Paul is like a former smoker who now has become the fanatical anti-smoker. Posted by: Paul Bearer at March 05, 2014 02:10 PM (Kz9dH) St. Augustine even moreso, from a life of pleasure and lust to very decidedly not-so-much.

Posted by: AMDG at March 05, 2014 10:12 AM (t7OO0)

491 I think what the Pope was saying is more along the lines of "truth must always be delivered in humility and love," honestly. But who knows? You can't get a straight line about the man from the press, they've butchered his statements so often I have no clue what the man actually says.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 05, 2014 10:12 AM (zfY+H)

492 At some point, I had to find another church. Posted by: Kensington (@NYKensington) at March 05, 2014 02:12 PM (/AHDz) Me too. Wish I could get my mom to join me.

Posted by: Citizen X at March 05, 2014 10:12 AM (7ObY1)

493 Yeah, gays better hope it's not genetic cause they'll be aborted out of existence. 80% of Down Syndrome babies are aborted. Most people who want kids also want grandkids. Some % is clearly caused by genes -- like androgen insensitivity. In the future those genes will be discovered and eliminated. Regardless of what people call it, it will be treated as a birth defect.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 05, 2014 10:12 AM (ZPrif)

494 To me, Paul is like a former smoker who now has become the fanatical anti-smoker. Posted by: Paul Bearer at March 05, 2014 02:10 PM (Kz9dH) If smoking = persecuting Christians, I agree. But if you read the epistles, he was actually full of love for believers. And if you think he was a condemner, you should read Peter's Epistles.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 05, 2014 10:13 AM (r+7wo)

495

Is there an order that wears brown well?
Posted by: tasker at March 05, 2014 02:01 PM (RJMhd)

The Carmelites are the best known. The Poor Clares also wear brown.

Didn't the Carmelites invent carmel coloring?

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 05, 2014 10:14 AM (eoeps)

496 Posted by: tangonine at March 05, 2014 02:09 PM (x3YFz) Squish on 2A? The 'only ones' should be the 'only ones?' Fudd?

Posted by: RWC at March 05, 2014 10:14 AM (fWAjv)

497 The Carmelites are the best known. The Poor Clares also wear brown. Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 05, 2014 02:12 PM (zF6Iw) Yes, Ace will take a vow of silence.

Posted by: Gay Judge Pug at March 05, 2014 10:14 AM (6Nj7A)

498 Huh, so the man who said "my righteousness is filthy rags" and was constantly bashing himself as being the "least" among Christians was a self-righteous prig?
Are you SURE you have read the same Bible I have?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 05, 2014 10:14 AM (zfY+H)

499 So the church could support pedophilia in some form, because, you know, they don't want to vaccinate individuals against hearing 'The Word'. So really, what the Pope is saying is 'do what you want, there really isn't any morality'. Boy have we come far in just a few short years.

Posted by: blindside at March 05, 2014 10:14 AM (WzWmY)

500 Is there an order that wears brown well? I like it on my upper lip.

Posted by: Sandra Bullock at March 05, 2014 10:14 AM (OU4/+)

501 OK, back from Wally World, got everything but the booze, don't sell it, and the 22LR, didn't have any. Where you all want all this shit?

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 05, 2014 10:14 AM (0FSuD)

502 Sure, it makes a lot of sense to drop so-cons over social issues. I'm sure libs are running away from gun control over CURRENT pop poll driven logic, etc.

Oh, wait, they are still trying, AND evicting over pop tart shaped guns AND have eliminated gun clubs stealthily over years.

Epic fail, idiot. So are so-cons demanding fi-cons be dumped over Romney
and the 47% gaffe? Or that a majority WANT (currently via dependence) others wallets and programs to give them handouts, often your money?

I think not. Now go back to mommy's basement...

Posted by: Mehow at March 05, 2014 10:14 AM (def5M)

503 What's with the bird in the sidebar?

Posted by: Waterhouse at March 05, 2014 10:15 AM (jlOxu)

504 I'm late for the Guacolypse.

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 05, 2014 10:15 AM (bitz6)

505 >>Paul is like a former smoker who now has become the fanatical anti-smoker.
Posted by: Paul Bearer<<

Yeah, but he'd be out on the sidewalk with you taking a drag just so you'd listen to his words about the subject.

Posted by: Sphynx at March 05, 2014 10:15 AM (OZmbA)

506

Pope speaks out on attacks on Christians.

http://tinyurl.com/lqfcy4d

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 05, 2014 10:15 AM (gorVZ)

507 The 'only ones' should be the 'only ones?' Fudd? Posted by: RWC at March 05, 2014 02:14 PM (fWAjv) Pretty much. Just google his name and NRA and you'll see the articles.

Posted by: tangonine at March 05, 2014 10:15 AM (x3YFz)

508 Since eugenics is more widely practiced in East Asia than anywhere else -- I expect East Asia to start selective gay abortions first.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 05, 2014 10:15 AM (ZPrif)

509 490 Ace just called me and said this thread is it for the day. -- He quit for the day already? Keeping Obama hours ow, huh?

Posted by: Votermom at March 05, 2014 10:15 AM (GSIDW)

510 Yes, Ace will take a vow of silence. This is going to cause problems at the Drive-Thru.

Posted by: The Burger King at March 05, 2014 10:15 AM (OU4/+)

511

My only wish about gays is to go 5 minutes without hearing about them.

From "The Love That Dare Not Speak Its Name"

To "The Love That Won't Shut Up"

In about a century.

Posted by: Count de Monet at March 05, 2014 10:15 AM (BAS5M)

512 Really? Really? Cohabitation is ok? Just Wow!!!! All that is wrong with the Catholic Church rolled up in just a couple of sentences. Cohabitation is the fancied-up, left-wing-renaming of fornication. That this would be okay with the Pope makes me think that commenter #6 is probably correct.

Posted by: TimothyJ at March 05, 2014 10:15 AM (ep2io)

513 "Wow. In my small world, a lawyer, a major newspaper employee, an industrial designer, animators, accountant, architect... all across the country (including the south). Wth? Really? I suppose you just may not know who is gay around you. So many people do not. Many gay people just won't "come out of the closet" even now. Wonder why..." and your point is? that you are so cool because you socially interact with the rich and the famous? According to your logic, if we are about to cater to any gay whim because of their alleged high number, we should cater even more to Christian people, because surely they are way more than gays will ever be. PS: in a lot of African tribes and Amazon tribes, homosexuality does not exist since it does not meet their needs (breed for survival). So what is your point? that those human beings are inferior because they do not know the delicacies of homosexuality as you do?

Posted by: fromabroad at March 05, 2014 10:15 AM (rnV3B)

514 We have light brown Zeros here.

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 05, 2014 10:16 AM (bitz6)

515

Also, he should read Jesus again. One thing Jesus was on and on about was divorce. The proscription against divorce is exclusively Christian and goes throughout the gospels. That's just one example. In many ways, Jesus was far more fanatical than Paul.

I read the bible for cultural literacy, not to break my head over reconciling mixed messages. Never understood "but to bring a sword", either, but google just suggested some further reading.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at March 05, 2014 10:16 AM (A0sHn)

516 Its sad to see happen, but as Citizen X says once that cancer metastasizes, it never gets better. One might almost say Christ took that candle away.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 05, 2014 02:08 PM (zfY+H)

That was, without doubt, a Presbyterian USA church. Please do not judge all Presbyterians by them, as there are conservative denominations which came from the Church of Scotland (also where the term "redneck" originated...my ancestors, darlin' Scot Covenater's).

Presbyterian USA is the most liberal of all of the Presbyterians, and their yearly meetings resemble US Congress in their socialist and secular leanings and paths, of which many, including me, have recently fled.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Redneck Queen at March 05, 2014 10:17 AM (baL2B)

517 Huh, so the man who said "my righteousness is filthy rags" and was constantly bashing himself as being the "least" among Christians was a self-righteous prig? Are you SURE you have read the same Bible I have? Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 05, 2014 02:14 PM (zfY+H) I think it's similar to not reading the OT carefully and coming away thinking that the OT God was really mean but the NT God is a nice guy. Even though the OT is full of God's intense love and patience (as well as His justice, of course). Marcion precipitated the first meeting of the church (forget which council) to formalize the canon by erasing any mention or support for the OT God from the Bible.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 05, 2014 10:17 AM (r+7wo)

518
what I get from the comments, is that Moo is ghey and from a sperm mix-up.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky

Damn! I had "suffering from a mild concussion and the result of dioxin contamination" in the pool.

I am NEVER going to win one of these things.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 05, 2014 10:17 AM (kdS6q)

519 483 Thank God I'm late to this thread....phew. Posted by: Tami at March 05, 2014 02:11 PM (bCEmE) Well, you missed putting in your order from Wally World, other than that, not much.

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 05, 2014 10:17 AM (0FSuD)

520 It is a vast unkindness to portray Christianity as something that does not ask you to leave behind your sinful way of life, and to follow Christ whatever the cost. Matthew 7 13"Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. 14"For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 05, 2014 10:17 AM (oMKp3)

521 I just remembered the scene from last night's Justified: Raylan: All I'm saying, it gets better. Kendall the teen delinquent: Dude, I'm not gay.

Posted by: Votermom at March 05, 2014 10:18 AM (GSIDW)

522 503 OK, back from Wally World, got everything but the booze, don't sell it, and the 22LR, didn't have any.

Where you all want all this shit?

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 05, 2014 02:14 PM (0FSuD)

Oooh, I'll put the smokes in a dry place. Because Burning Times.

Posted by: Barry at March 05, 2014 10:18 AM (RD7QR)

523 The 'only ones' should be the 'only ones?' Fudd? Posted by: RWC at March 05, 2014 02:14 PM (fWAjv) Kinda bums me out. I did a lot of work on his behalf, hell I have The Red Circle watch (#214, he has #215) from resco: http://rescoinstruments.com/products/the-red-circle Next week when I go see my buddy from HS, I'm going to just give it to him. I don't want it, and won't wear it. Guy disappointed me on many levels.

Posted by: tangonine at March 05, 2014 10:18 AM (x3YFz)

524

Did you ever hear a Calvinist fall down the stairs?

Thump, thump, bang, Ow! Thank God that's over with!

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 05, 2014 10:18 AM (eoeps)

525

... and the inexorable LGBT struggle to be just as damned miserable as the rest of us continues.

Fuck 'em. I'll bake the damned cake ... as long as I get to listen to 'em bitch and moan about it five years later.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 05, 2014 10:18 AM (7ci1X)

526 424 And, of course, the biggest scandal in modern Church history was directly caused by gays -- the abuse problems were 98%+ done by gay priests abusing young teenage boys. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 05, 2014 02:00 PM (ZPrif) You would think that with 2% of the population being homosexual, that homosexual molestations would also be only 2% of all molestations. And yet when you look at the numbers, you see something like 40% of all molestations are homosexual. That small percentage of the population is punching at 20 times it's weight class.

Posted by: D-Lamp at March 05, 2014 10:19 AM (bb5+k)

527 It's also BS that the arguments worldwide are religious against SSM. Plenty of secular arguments abound. Also BS that so-cons are ALL Evangelical Christians, etc. One needs science over abortion to take the correct prolife position. One does not need to be even religious to see the concept of asymmetric gender roles/styles in parenting over marriage as a binding unit as the healthy norm.

Try again.

Posted by: Mehow at March 05, 2014 10:19 AM (def5M)

528 341 Why doesn't Francis shut up about the gay shite and speak out about this: Kim Jong-Un 'orders 33 people to be executed because they made contact with Christian missionary' Posted by: Gay Judge Pug at March 05, 2014 01:46 PM (6Nj7A) There's more money in appealing to American progressives? (I say that keeping in mind that the Pope may have been misrepresented and this brouhaha is for nought.)

Posted by: Mindy at March 05, 2014 10:19 AM (RMfGb)

529 "as for instance in medical care,"

Well we certainly buried the lede on this one, you blockheads.
He's closing the Catholic hospitals.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 05, 2014 10:20 AM (xq1UY)

530 At some point, I had to find another church. -------------- The Lutheran church I *used* to attend would make the sanctuary available, for free, to some local muslim "prayer groups." I haven't been back since I saw that little tidbit in the church calendar.

Posted by: @JohnTant at March 05, 2014 10:20 AM (cViiz)

531 479
My only wish about gays is to go 5 minutes without hearing about them.

Posted by: Meremortal at March 05, 2014 02:10 PM (1Y+hH)

Amen, brother.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Redneck Queen at March 05, 2014 10:20 AM (baL2B)

532

@ 528

I never receive a response whenever I ask that question of my progressive friends in Chicago.

Posted by: RedWhiteAndTrue at March 05, 2014 10:21 AM (RHyYH)

533

Yeah, gays better hope it's not genetic cause they'll be aborted out of existence. 80% of Down Syndrome babies are aborted.

No. If a "gay gene" is ever discovered, the Sandy Flukes of the world will be bombing abortion clinics. Bank on it.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 05, 2014 10:21 AM (zF6Iw)

534 Nood, thank God.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 05, 2014 10:21 AM (ojnk6)

535 (I say that keeping in mind that the Pope may have been misrepresented and this brouhaha is for nought.) Posted by: Mindy at March 05, 2014 02:19 PM (RMfGb) Naah, I don't think so.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 05, 2014 10:22 AM (HVff2)

536 Um, I'm admitting you are just stating historical facts and not actually sympathetic to capital punishment for homosexuality? Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 05, 2014 02:03 PM (r+7wo) Yes. I will also point out that Thomas Jefferson himself introduced a bill to the Virginia legislature to change the punishment from Execution to castration. My point here is that for some reason they took that behavior very seriously back in those days. Indeed, up until the 1960s, homosexuality was grounds for a non compos mentis ruling for involuntary commitment to an institution. I think people ought to know the history of a topic which they are discussing.

Posted by: D-Lamp at March 05, 2014 10:23 AM (bb5+k)

537 Yeah, gays better hope it's not genetic cause they'll be aborted out of existence. 80% of Down Syndrome babies are aborted. --------- Heh, reminds me of an argument I had with an ultraliberal gay acquaintance. His position was that homosexuality is genetic, no choice involved, nuh uh. I said that's fine, so he would be OK with funding research into identifying the gene(s) responsible? He hesitantly said "yeah, I guess so." Didn't want to appear anti-science. I then said "And if it's identified, you're OK with a woman's right to choose, right?" The look on his face was priceless. Ever see dissonance occur real time? I have.

Posted by: @JohnTant at March 05, 2014 10:24 AM (cViiz)

538 "at small percentage of the population is punching at 20 times it's weight class. "
The usual response is "they aren't gay, they're pedophiles." The presumption being that being sexually attracted to a younger age trumps all sexual inclination, so they can't be homosexual. Its nonsense, but it comes from the same line of psychobabble that says rape isn't about sex. Yes, yes, it is. Its not ONLY about sex, but it is definitely about sex.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 05, 2014 10:24 AM (zfY+H)

539 531 "as for instance in medical care,"

Well we certainly buried the lede on this one, you blockheads.
He's closing the Catholic hospitals.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 05, 2014 02:20 PM (xq1UY)

Probably not now, but certainly if the state tries to force the Church to perform gay weddings. Hence the emphasis on civil unions.

Posted by: Barry at March 05, 2014 10:24 AM (RD7QR)

540 Posted by: Alec Baldwin at March 05, 2014 01:51 PM

Come on, what's unclear about "Mmmmphg! Mmmphrmmph!"

Posted by: joncelli at March 05, 2014 01:53 PM (RD7QR)

Yeah, I agree!

Posted by: Reggie Love at March 05, 2014 10:27 AM (BHdYW)

541 I was raised in the Catholic Church and I'm amazed that most of the laity is blind to what's going on. The Church is gone. It was gone when it became a haven for gay predators who were then protected by the hierarchy. It is corrupt to the core. It's final decent function is as curator for incredible historical artifacts.

Posted by: Meremortal at March 05, 2014 10:27 AM (1Y+hH)

542
March 4, 2014 Bill Donohue comments on the homily given by Pope Francis today at his Mass in the Santa Maria residence:

Militant secularism at home, and militant Islam abroad, are the two greatest threats to Catholicism today. Speaking of the latter, Pope Francis said, "there are more Christian martyrs today than during the early days of the Church." Communists in North Korea are also killing Christians at a record pace, and Communist China continues its persecution.

The pope rightly said that "the world does not tolerate the divinity of Christ. It doesn't tolerate the announcement of the Gospel. It does not tolerate the Beatitudes. And we have persecutions: with words, with insults, the things that they said about Christians in the early centuries, the condemnations, imprisonment....But we easily forget. We think of the many Christians, 60 years ago, in the labour camps, in the camps of the Nazis, of the communists: So many of them! For being Christians! And even today...But (people say) 'today we are better educated and these things no longer exist.' Yes they do!...They are condemned for having a Bible. They can't wear a crucifix."

The Holy Father is right. Islamism and communism are responsible for murdering Christians and persecuting Christianity. But the insults, the condemnations, and the censoring of religious speech that he addresses stem from another source: militant secularism.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 05, 2014 10:28 AM (gorVZ)

543 the church "must be careful not to administer a vaccine against faith" -- an inoculation of dead faith? Inoculated or not, faith without works is dead. What are works of faith? Love, the Singular Priority. Love God, Love Higher Self, Love your Spouse and Children, Love your "Neighbor" the stranger, stripped and beaten, left to die in the gutter. "As I have loved you, love one another." "Truth, which existed since the beginning, is sown everywhere. And many see it being sown, but few are they who see it being reaped. Faith receives, love gives. No one will be able to receive without faith. No one will be able to give without love. Because of this, in order that we may indeed receive, we believe, and in order that we may love, we give, since if one gives without love, he has no profit from what he has given." -- Gospel of Philip Regarding the Holy Sacraments, it won't be the first time (Constantine) the Roman Catholic Church was stripped of the Holy Ghost to usurp worldly empire, against Christ's teachings, as if "Kingdom of God" is man made. It isn't simply "Rome" since any center of religious civilization could be transposed, such as "Egypt" representing "the world" having stripped its own ur-myth of the sacred. Vanity, all is vanity. But then, the Holy Ghost persists. So long as one does not denounce It. Matthew 12:31-32 Â– The Unforgivable Sin Truth? What is Truth? Without the Holy Spirit, no telling. No political agenda has the authority to revise God's gifts through Christ Jesus, and no Vicar of Christ presumes the authority to revise the Sacraments that the Father sent Jesus to give to humanity, aiding our spiritual development on earth's journey, to become One with Christ, with God, in Love and Light. http://tinyurl.com/o7ld3w8 Becoming "One" man/woman (marriage) The Bridal Chamber Sacrament, paraphrasing. to overcome "death" the division of opposite complements into separates, separation of opposites bringing death to each without the other, man/woman must re-unite into One. Man without Woman is doomed by limitation to remaining only one portion split from the Whole, and visa versa. If that is what someone desires, to eschew one's own completion, so it goes. Free Will. But don't go shoving that as God's Will for me to sponsor financially, morally, politically, PARTICULARLY when said agenda thwarts my own spiritual progress (life) through imposed governmental and financial force. Society be damned to dictate laws constricting or re-interpreting free exercise of Religion as hate crimes to be taxed-fined and prosecuted. "A bridal chamber is not for the animals, nor is it for the slaves, nor for defiled men and women; but it is for free men and virgins." Make Way for Social Revisionism that criminalizes Living Faith.

Posted by: panzernashorn at March 05, 2014 10:29 AM (MhA4j)

544 This does not end well for the Catholic church. Sigh. Is there no in a position of prominence willing to stand up for their beliefs other than Ted Cruz?

Posted by: dogfish at March 05, 2014 10:29 AM (nsOJa)

545 To "The Love That Won't Shut Up" In about a century. Posted by: Count de Monet at March 05, 2014 02:15 PM (BAS5M) 20 years. From the 1960s to massive "Gay Pride" Parades in the 1980s.

Posted by: D-Lamp at March 05, 2014 10:31 AM (bb5+k)

546 I sure hope my particular CC has enough room to accommodate the LGBT clique meetings alongside the Hispanic, African, and African-American separatist cliques. I'm sure if it's a problem, they'll call my cliqueless whitey ass and try to guilt me out of a nice fat check.

Posted by: Jaws at March 05, 2014 10:32 AM (eKZp1)

547 Nothing in His universe happens by chance or accident. For every effect there is a cause. God "worketh all things after the counsel of His own will: That we should be to the praise of his glory" (Ephesians 1:11-12). Yes, God is in control.

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at March 05, 2014 10:32 AM (R8hU8)

548 Sorry I did not know I was supposed to form a similar opinion lest I be accused of not have read the epistles or the same bible. I do not object to your feelings on Paul. Mine happen to be different.

Posted by: Paul Bearer at March 05, 2014 10:32 AM (Kz9dH)

549 I think this might be the case. Francis is cagey this way. I think what he is saying is (1) Yes, there are Catholic homosexuals, (B) Yes, they have needs in civil society that some kind of contractual arrangement like a civil union can satisfy, and (III) Marriage? No. Posted by: joncelli at March 05, 2014 01:22 PM (RD7QR) That may be so, but I don't understand why he felt the need to answer at all, honestly. I mean, really. The reason a lot of homosexuals are upset with the Church isn't because they can't civilly contract with another person. It's because their behavior and choices excludes them from receiving certain sacraments. An actively homosexual person can never receive the sacrament of matrimony, just as he or she is expected to refrain from presenting themselves to receive the Eucharist so long as he or she persists in the activity. And that is why the Church is hated. Person X chose not to follow our doctrine and now he gets a sad because he's not supposed to take communion. That won't change, hence the "vaccination" against our faith will continue. And for the record, a lot of heterosexual people have the same problem with the Church. If you are in a second civil marriage and your first one has not been annulled by the Church you aren't supposed to receive e sacraments, either. You just don't hear a big media fuss about divorcees because it's not the cause of the day.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at March 05, 2014 10:34 AM (qFpRI)

550 >>>I tried telling her that things NEVER get back to normal once the Progs take over.

The only way you get what you want out of a Parish is to vote with your feet.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at March 05, 2014 10:34 AM (0q2P7)

551 This pope has been a disappointment and a scandal to traditionally minded Catholics.

Posted by: whoever at March 05, 2014 10:35 AM (kGSN0)

552 The usual response is "they aren't gay, they're pedophiles." The presumption being that being sexually attracted to a younger age trumps all sexual inclination, so they can't be homosexual. Its nonsense, but it comes from the same line of psychobabble that says rape isn't about sex. Yes, yes, it is. Its not ONLY about sex, but it is definitely about sex. Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 05, 2014 02:24 PM (zfY+H) Pedophiles with a preference for little boys, making them Homosexual pedophiles. Again, 20 times their incidence in the general population.

Posted by: D-Lamp at March 05, 2014 10:36 AM (bb5+k)

553 ....... When the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth? Jesus asks the question in Luke 18:8

Posted by: grammie winger at March 05, 2014 10:36 AM (oMKp3)

554 A living constitution, a living bible. All in my lifetime. who woulda thunk it? Those damn words with their meanings. God should have made them moar flexible like obama was after his second election. Times may change but without a compass one can end up in any port. The port of "what is happening now".

Posted by: Bob from table9 at March 05, 2014 10:39 AM (jsa6I)

555

As it says in the article,

Abso-frigging-lutely.

Even if it means CHANGING the Word. I mean, what is the Word of God, anyhow, if not made in the image of man? We decide, God obeys - that's correct, right?

Another Apostate Pope. He's hardly the first.

Posted by: RobM1981 at March 05, 2014 10:41 AM (dFemX)

556 I understand bringing the word to the sinner. But I am a bit confused how supporting that lifestyle will do that.

If people are fundamentally opposed to the word irrespective of any demographic, I am a bit confused as to how this helps build any bridges.

It's akin to saying that providing people handouts will teach people to be self sufficient.

You teach a man to fish so he can feed himself.

Posted by: Marcus T. Who just, well, ugh. at March 05, 2014 10:42 AM (GGCsk)

557 Another Apostate Pope. He's hardly the first. Posted by: RobM1981 at March 05, 2014 02:41 PM (dFemX) The pope is just another mortal schmuck like the rest of us. No better, no worse.

Posted by: tangonine at March 05, 2014 10:43 AM (x3YFz)

558 Hey, look! Something new from Hollywood!
*
Actress Jamie Lee Curtis is putting on her producer's cap to make a film honoring the memory of Glenn Burke, a professional athlete who came out of the closet long before Jason Collins or Michael Sam.

Out at Home: The Glenn Burke Story will focus on Burke's tenure with the Dodgers and Athletics during the 1970s, a time when he shared his sexual preferences to his teammates and management but not the general public. The athlete died of AIDS-related causes in 1995.

Posted by: B at March 05, 2014 10:45 AM (5OEha)

559 Out at Home: The Glenn Burke Story will focus on Burke's tenure with the Dodgers and Athletics during the 1970s, a time when he shared his sexual preferences to his teammates and management but not the general public. The athlete died of AIDS-related causes in 1995. Posted by: B at March 05, 2014 02:45 PM (5OEha) /facepalm Oh ffs.

Posted by: tangonine at March 05, 2014 10:46 AM (x3YFz)

560

"The pope is just another mortal schmuck like the rest of us. No better, no worse."

Personally I agree - but I'm not RC. To RC's, he's the boss. What he says, goes. They are the last remaining Feudal Society. No voting... what the Pope (King) says, goes.

And what he's saying is in direct defiance of the written Bible. So there's that.

I want to remind the catholics here that things like this have happened many times in the history of the Church. They're called Schisms.

You don't have to create your own church. There are plenty of Protestants who have gone before you, and have a nice place waiting for you.

If you want a church that's a lot like RC, but has rejected the papacy, largely for these kinds of things, look to Lutheran MISSOURI SYNOD.

Lutheran's have also had this same discussion and have split. Evangelical Lutherans have gay bishops; Missouri Synod are more Bible Based.

Take a look at these and others. The Word is still out there - you just have to go looking for it.

If you're serious about your Faith, you'll be amazed at how some churches really do base things on the Bible. Who knew?

Posted by: RobM1981 at March 05, 2014 10:49 AM (dFemX)

561 Don't forget, he's a Jesuit from a quasi-socialist country. He's not a liberation theologist, they exiled him to some high school in the mountains until JPII brought him out of exile to clean house.

Posted by: Iblis at March 05, 2014 10:50 AM (9221z)

562 Time was that being a Catholic meant adhering to doctrine. That means all of it, not the parts you like.

There are certainly many sinners. All of us sin. If we banned every sinner from hearing the word, very few would be receptive.

Homosexuals familiar with the word already know that. Their relationship with Christ is between them.

But how does supporting cohabitation get people to hear the word?

Only people shouting rhetoric and hate in ignorance believe the church does not love them because of their lifestyle. There is no particular emphasis on that specific sin.

A change in the perception of the church via the truth is what is needed here. No some bending of doctrine as a public relations gesture.

As usual, the Pope has left some room here for interpretation by essentially stating each specific situation needs to be considered on its merits.

Posted by: Marcus T. Who just, well, ugh. at March 05, 2014 10:50 AM (GGCsk)

563

@561 - made me laugh loud enough to have people look.

yeah, ffs indeed.

I must be missing something. The whole "coming out thing" carries virtually no gravitas or drama for me.

Choose God or don't. Sleep with men, women, or groups. Drive a Subaru, even. It's a big world out there - make your choices and live with them, but don't presume that anyone else cares, as long as they are legal.

I'm a Christian. I've got some strong opinions. I also don't much care for eggplant... hey, it's my life.

Go get'em Jamie Lee Curtis. You MAKE that movie, girl! Don't let the almost certain economic loss slow you down... BURN that cash.

Posted by: RobM1981 at March 05, 2014 10:53 AM (dFemX)

564 Ah crap stupid enter button Jesuits while reviled by some in the Church, and by many outside of it, are a missionary order first and foremost. Going right to sinners and heathens is their job. They basically stopped the spread of the Protestant Reformation cold. And if they hadn't been stopped, would've rolled up the Muslim countries. They were actually founded to re-proselytize the Holy Land, and got sidetracked reforming the church and debating protestants.

Posted by: Iblis at March 05, 2014 10:55 AM (9221z)

565 554
The usual response is "they aren't gay, they're pedophiles." The presumption being that being sexually attracted to a younger age trumps all sexual inclination, so they can't be homosexual. Its nonsense, but it comes from the same line of psychobabble that says rape isn't about sex. Yes, yes, it is. Its not ONLY about sex, but it is definitely about sex.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 05, 2014 02:24 PM (zfY+H)

Pedophiles with a preference for little boys, making them Homosexual pedophiles.

Again, 20 times their incidence in the general population.

===========

Ohh, you guys are in for it now. Buying earplugs for the screeching to follow.

Posted by: Frank Black at March 05, 2014 10:58 AM (YmPwQ)

566 And, of course, the biggest scandal in modern Church history was directly caused by gays -- the abuse problems were 98%+ done by gay priests abusing young teenage boys. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 05, 2014 02:00 PM (ZPrif) Absolutely this. But lets make sure that we have gay Scout Leaders. Disney announced yesterday that it is no longer donating to the Boy Scouts as long as they have a ban on gay scout leaders. There is a reason that traditionally, older straight men do not have unfettered access to young teenage girls, gays do not have access to young same sex teenagers, a reason there is male and female bathrooms, male and female dressing rooms, male and female schools, clubs , etc. It's called sexual drive and one that has been in existence since Eve took a bite of the apple. How often in the early 21st century did one hear of 24 year old teachers seducing and having sex with 15 year old boys as we do today? Why is that, considering that one USED to be required to be an unmarried woman to be a teacher? Or how often were 12 year old boys charged with rape as we see today? All of societies conventions were placed due to a crisis of need. Rational, no-longer- cave- man humans recognized that the basic human nature and drives needed to be directed, corralled, restricted and witheld to a point that a free society could be maintained. I'm going to leave the religious aspect out of this post, although I am a devout Christian and believe the Bible has the perfect blueprint for an advanced society. Advanced societies have laws in place that recognize human failings and provide guardrails to help keep the society functioning as a whole when individuals fail. And what we are seeing today are individual demanding that society fall apart in order to permit them to fail with no societal effects, which is an impossibility. What is happening today is simply an illusion that society is advancing and individuals are more free, when in reality, ALL of us are becoming forced to have no stability in society, no reference for which one can rely on. Today the law is this, tomorrow it is different, what matters most is how everyone feels, which is entirely subjective and dependent on each individual. That is not freedom, it is chaos, which enslaves a person to the whims of whoever happens to be in charge today.

Posted by: Jen at March 05, 2014 11:00 AM (3wFh7)

567 Why the 2013 gay pedo couples that abused a Russian child bought from a surrogate did not have the same echo as Sandusky? because the offenders were gay? the guy got 40 years of jail, the details are cringe worthy. Normally the press sinks its teeth day and night... but not with this case

Posted by: fromabroad at March 05, 2014 11:01 AM (rnV3B)

568 So isn't Lent supposed to be the season when whatever Christians remain are supposed to spend time seriously considering the weight of sin and the cost to separate us from it? I've been churchless for a while now and have considered giving the RCC a try, but if they can't even manage to find somone in their ranks who is faithful to God to serve as Pope, I can't see much reason to give them further consideration.

I reject Satan in all his works and all his ways, and just to be safe, his servants, too.

Just for the record.

Posted by: Methos at March 05, 2014 11:03 AM (hO9ad)

569 "I do not object to your feelings on Paul. Mine happen to be different."
Doesn't matter what you or I feel about it. All that matters is what the truth is. The man went out of his way to bash himself and his former glory and was deeply humble in his writings.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 05, 2014 11:07 AM (zfY+H)

570 I'm a Christian. I've got some strong opinions. I also don't much care for eggplant... hey, it's my life. Go get'em Jamie Lee Curtis. You MAKE that movie, girl! Don't let the almost certain economic loss slow you down... BURN that cash. Posted by: RobM1981 at March 05, 2014 02:53 PM (dFemX) I don't get the "die of AIDS makes you a hero" thing. Die of flesh eating bacteria? Not a hero. Die of cancer? Not a hero. Die of syphilis? Not a hero. Get your but ripped up and contract aids: hero. Now how tf does that even happen?

Posted by: tangonine at March 05, 2014 11:08 AM (x3YFz)

571 Posted by: Methos at March 05, 2014 03:03 PM (hO9ad) I will pray that you find a good solid bible believing church that stands firm for the truth of the Gospel.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 05, 2014 11:13 AM (oMKp3)

572 "I don't get the "die of AIDS makes you a hero" thing. " because in doing so they reaffirm the concept of homophobia!!!!!!1111!!! eleventy I think that the convulsed argument is that gheys would be perfectly faithful and monogamous people, if it wasn't for those nasty Christians telling them they are perverted. By doing so, they force the gheys into bathhouses and being promiscuous and prone to aids. Otherwise they would stay comfortably at home in their loafers watching TV and playing tic tac toe. Hence Aids is caused by Christianity, therefore #warongheys

Posted by: fromabroad at March 05, 2014 11:19 AM (rnV3B)

573 I don't mind the Church taking a "To Caesar what is Caesar's, to God what is God's" approach to civil unions.

But homosexuality is a sin. You can try not to "emphasize" that, but if you turn a blind eye to it? Then yes, you undermine the faith.

Posted by: Vortex Lovera at March 05, 2014 11:29 AM (wtvvX)

574 The love that cannot speak becomes that which wont STFU meets the Pope who wont either.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at March 05, 2014 11:30 AM (DL2i+)

575 Look, I don't want to sound like a wet blanket here....but

1. Has anyone confirmed this? Because the only source I see is a single report that's being passed around the wire.

2. Has the Vatican issued a statement about the shift in position?

To answer question 2.

http://reut.rs/1eXKKMN

The answer is no. The Vatican denies that the pope supports civil unions. So given that number 2 is no...what's the more likely scenario.

1. The position of the Catholic church is shifting to be more liberal.

2. Some reporter really wishes that the position of the Catholic church was more liberal, and heard what they wanted to hear.

Posted by: Emperor Norton II at March 05, 2014 11:32 AM (MlqTY)

576 As a Catholic, I am getting tired of the press cherry-picking parts of his interviews, and then bloggers recycling the cherry picking. Go to the original source and read the whole interview. Here is the transcript: http://tinyurl.com/m47n45r

Posted by: KC at March 05, 2014 02:17 PM (PJ3dS)

577 "I don't get the "die of AIDS makes you a hero" thing."
Its the liberal religion's version of martyrdom. I never watched a bit of it but apparently that ridiculous HBO miniseries Angels In America just about explicitly said that.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 05, 2014 02:27 PM (zfY+H)

578 Posted by: KC at March 05, 2014 06:17 PM (PJ3dS) Thanks for providing the actual transcript. I don't see any statement by the Pope that he supports civil unions. He merely acknowledges that secular society is pushing for them for various reasons.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 05, 2014 02:58 PM (oMKp3)

579 Here is the pertinent question by the reporter, and the Pope's answer: Many nations have regulated civil unions. Is it a path that the Church can understand? But up to what point? "Marriage is between a man and a woman. Secular states want to justify civil unions to regulate different situations of cohabitation, pushed by the demand to regulate economic aspects between persons, such as ensuring health care. It is about pacts of cohabitating of various natures, of which I wouldnÂ’t know how to list the different ways. One needs to see the different cases and evaluate them in their variety." I see nothing about vaccinating people in regards to faith. I'm not sure where that comes from.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 05, 2014 03:07 PM (oMKp3)

580 this civil unions vs. marriage thing is, at least in america, pure semantics. ALL marriages in this country are 'civil unions' since marriage licenses are issued by the state, not the vatican. some churches will bless a same-sex union and some will not but a religious ceremony is not necessary in order to be legally 'married'.

Posted by: el polacko at March 05, 2014 03:34 PM (xyGpY)

581 I will explain it to you Jen.

The point is, society is full of idiots lacking critical thinking skills today.

If you ask a typical progressive, they ACTUALLY believe many of the social norms you listed are archaic and rooted in 'isms" and other irrational hatreds or mere familiarity.

That's the problem.

You cannot have a conversation with a liberal, because they do not get it. They assume they are right on a host of issues, attributing "conservatism" to someone merely breeding contempt by familiarity. It does not even occur to them that norms are not merely in place to discriminate because the redneck is not hip, it's because he is "ignorant" etc.

They never ask WHY the norms are there, beyond poo-pooing it to suggest it's born of hate or "just the way we always have done things" etc.

It's just sad.

It's also a scathing indictment of how the good guys failed while socialists invaded schools, media, movies, etc. and we fiddled while Rome burned. Every generation must be re-taught, culture and sanity do not prevail automatically, especially when lunatics are there at every corner trying to undermine it.

Posted by: Mehow at March 05, 2014 05:35 PM (def5M)

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