February 06, 2014
— Ace "Why now?"
But the objection is primarily about timing. Allah's take is that they will do something DREAMy before 2016.
Boehner wants to do this but some sizable chunk of the caucus — a majority? a sizable minority? — prefers to wait. Here’s the question: If he could get more of a Republican buy-in next year, why shouldn’t he wait? Matt Lewis argued the other day that amnesty opponents will always gin up some sort of excuse related to the timing to keep kicking the immigration-reform can down the road, but I simply can’t believe party leaders and their business backers will send the GOP nominee into battle in 2016 without arming him with some sort of amnesty to show Latino voters. It might be a limited one like DREAM, but something’s going to happen.
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Posted by: Navycopjoe at February 06, 2014 08:52 AM (GDtEt)
Posted by: Jean at February 06, 2014 08:52 AM (6aI1M)
Boehner just now realized that the only way to lose the House was to push amnesty?
Good grief. All last year, and especially through the shutdown, all we heard from the establishment was "don't change the subject from stalincare". Who changed the subject one week into this year? The fkn GOP, that's who.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at February 06, 2014 08:53 AM (UeKaD)
Yeah. Call me skeptical.
And screw the Latino voters. Nothing we will do will turn them to our side.
Posted by: Golfman in NC at February 06, 2014 08:53 AM (gHDMy)
Posted by: Rich at February 06, 2014 08:53 AM (k9ITi)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at February 06, 2014 08:54 AM (r+7wo)
Posted by: rickb223 at February 06, 2014 08:54 AM (p9JxP)
Posted by: JackStraw at February 06, 2014 08:55 AM (g1DWB)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 06, 2014 08:55 AM (DmNpO)
Note to Beltway Republicans.
It you're talking about ANYTHING but the Affordable Care Act..... you're doing it wrong.
Posted by: fixerupper at February 06, 2014 08:55 AM (nELVU)
Posted by: Chris Balsz at February 06, 2014 08:55 AM (5xmd7)
Posted by: Vic[/i] at February 06, 2014 08:55 AM (T2V/1)
Posted by: Navycopjoe at February 06, 2014 08:55 AM (GDtEt)
Sounds like a plan.
Exactly. What strategic genius!
Posted by: pep at February 06, 2014 08:56 AM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: CAC at February 06, 2014 08:56 AM (X9IDi)
Posted by: Pedro at February 06, 2014 08:56 AM (xvtYZ)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at February 06, 2014 08:56 AM (r+7wo)
Posted by: WalrusRex at February 06, 2014 08:56 AM (XUKZU)
Posted by: MTF at February 06, 2014 08:56 AM (B5y+v)
John Boehner - February 6, 2014
Doesn't sound like a man who's giving up to me...
Posted by: noone, really [/i] [/b] at February 06, 2014 08:56 AM (5ikDv)
Posted by: rickb223 at February 06, 2014 08:57 AM (p9JxP)
Posted by: t-bird at February 06, 2014 08:57 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: Navycopjoe at February 06, 2014 08:57 AM (GDtEt)
48 Maybe. Or maybe this was the plan all along, blame Obama's lawlessness
for the lack of any movement on illegal immigration. Not a bad thing to
run on, no?
I doubt it. To n-dimensional chess, and it makes to many people on your side very angry and mistrustful. If Boehner thought this would tamp the issue down and repair the splits in the GOP, he was dead wrong. NOt to mention that Ryan's presidential hopes are now nil for the next decade. Nonetheless, I'll take it.
Posted by: pep at February 06, 2014 08:57 AM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: Anonymous Repub. Congressman Quote at February 06, 2014 08:57 AM (Aif/5)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 06, 2014 08:58 AM (659DL)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 06, 2014 08:58 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at February 06, 2014 08:58 AM (r+7wo)
Posted by: Kristophr at February 06, 2014 08:58 AM (c6N69)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at February 06, 2014 08:59 AM (UeKaD)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 06, 2014 08:59 AM (t3UFN)
Black unemployment, especially Black males under 30 is at an all time high, but, hey, let's import a few million Hispanics to take the jobs no American will do. As it is, right now, no American gets offered those jobs because it is easier and cheaper to hand Juan/Juanita $50 at the end of a shift than it is to cut a check and pay all the taxes.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, think mink. at February 06, 2014 08:59 AM (kXoT0)
Posted by: model_1066 at February 06, 2014 08:59 AM (LIQGY)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 06, 2014 09:00 AM (659DL)
Posted by: SH at February 06, 2014 09:00 AM (JfNy2)
Posted by: CAC at February 06, 2014 12:56 PM (X9IDi)
Yep. The GOP never misses an opportunity to shoot off another one of its own toes.
Top. Men.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 06, 2014 09:00 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: traye at February 06, 2014 09:00 AM (/BP38)
Posted by: Senator John "Psycho" McCain [/i] [/b] at February 06, 2014 09:00 AM (5ikDv)
Posted by: the littl shyning man at February 06, 2014 09:01 AM (tmFlQ)
Posted by: t-bird at February 06, 2014 09:01 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: JackStraw at February 06, 2014 09:01 AM (g1DWB)
Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at February 06, 2014 09:01 AM (bCEmE)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 06, 2014 09:01 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: OG Celtic-American at February 06, 2014 09:01 AM (vHRtU)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at February 06, 2014 09:02 AM (r+7wo)
Posted by: t-bird at February 06, 2014 09:02 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Duchess of Something at February 06, 2014 09:02 AM (baL2B)
Posted by: Dr Spank at February 06, 2014 09:02 AM (P1WNR)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at February 06, 2014 09:02 AM (Y92Nd)
Posted by: SH at February 06, 2014 09:02 AM (JfNy2)
Posted by: the littl shyning man at February 06, 2014 09:03 AM (tmFlQ)
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That depends on the 2016 Republican nominee.
Posted by: mrp at February 06, 2014 09:03 AM (JBggj)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 06, 2014 09:03 AM (WulNI)
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, think mink. at February 06, 2014 09:03 AM (kXoT0)
Posted by: t-bird at February 06, 2014 09:03 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: traye at February 06, 2014 09:03 AM (/BP38)
They could have said EXACTLY the same thing before enraging the base.
Posted by: pep at February 06, 2014 09:03 AM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at February 06, 2014 09:04 AM (jVaLp)
Posted by: rickb223 at February 06, 2014 09:04 AM (p9JxP)
@7 And screw the Latino voters. Nothing we will do will turn them to our side.
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The problem for the GOP isn't immigration. The problem for the GOP is the widespread perception that conservatives are racist. And unfortunately, nothing that happens is likely to change that short of a complete year of public anti-minority diatribes from Liberal leaders (and that's assuming that it didn't take even longer for news of them to start filtering past the media's safeguards for the liberals).
Posted by: junior at February 06, 2014 09:04 AM (UWFpX)
In the hours before Boehner made his surprise announcement, lawmakers and aides had told Breitbart News that early discussions had begun about whether to force a special leadership election in the event Boehner moved forward with immigration legislation.
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OK, it sounds like there are a few people in the House that are worth keeping. I would like to see names, I have a checkbook handy.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at February 06, 2014 09:04 AM (UeKaD)
There are too many examples for it to all be coincidental.
The crap that goes on in secret would make a good spy/suspense novel.
Posted by: Joseph OHenry II at February 06, 2014 09:04 AM (lNxW4)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 06, 2014 09:05 AM (WulNI)
trust Obama because he has proven to not follow the laws he doesn't
like.
Regardless, doing this will not increase our share of the Hispanic vote one iota. All it has accomplished is to sow discord and mistrust among Republicans.
Posted by: pep at February 06, 2014 09:05 AM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 06, 2014 09:05 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at February 06, 2014 09:05 AM (r+7wo)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 06, 2014 09:05 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: DangerGirl and her Sanity Prod (tm) at February 06, 2014 09:06 AM (Ryac4)
Posted by: SH at February 06, 2014 09:06 AM (JfNy2)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at February 06, 2014 01:05 PM (r+7wo)
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What. Is what hard.
Posted by: Beltway Republicans at February 06, 2014 09:06 AM (nELVU)
Posted by: Dr Spank at February 06, 2014 01:02 PM
Too late. Boot his worthless ass out of the speaker's chair now, and maybe we can talk.
Of course it would help if the rest of the we-love-illegals crowd (Cantor, Ryan, etc.) were dumped as well, but hey, it'd be a start to push the Human Chee-To to the back benches.
So far, the whole mess strikes me as worthless posturing going on among a bunch of gibbering loons. If no one has the Dangling Courage Unites to get up in Choom Boy's grille and stop him, it's just talk.
Posted by: MrScribbler at February 06, 2014 09:07 AM (ff7/5)
http://tinyurl.com/knbrst2
Posted by: fred zeppelin at February 06, 2014 09:07 AM (zL/eJ)
Posted by: Vic at February 06, 2014 12:55 PM (T2V/1)
I'm voting they do it in the lame duck session. Just to stab us in the back and piss on it.
Posted by: NWConservative at February 06, 2014 09:07 AM (buZ/8)
. . . one scintilla.
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To be on the safe side, we'd better run a transgendered candidate as well.
Posted by: WalrusRex at February 06, 2014 09:07 AM (XUKZU)
Posted by: AmishDude at February 06, 2014 09:08 AM (T0NGe)
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, think mink. at February 06, 2014 09:08 AM (kXoT0)
The problem for the GOP isn't immigration. The problem for the GOP is the widespread perception that conservatives are racist. And unfortunately, nothing that happens is likely to change that
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That is true for every minority. Why do you think the cry of racist is so prevalent? The democrats stir hatred of whites among blacks to keep them in line, and stir up hatred of straights to keep homosexuals in line, stir up hate of corporate managers and bankers to keep the union members in line, etc. It is all they have to offer, since their actual policies help no one.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at February 06, 2014 09:08 AM (UeKaD)
Posted by: WalrusRex at February 06, 2014 01:07 PM (XUKZU)
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I thought Mitch WAS running???
Posted by: fixerupper at February 06, 2014 09:08 AM (nELVU)
Posted by: Jean at February 06, 2014 09:08 AM (6aI1M)
Posted by: JackStraw at February 06, 2014 09:09 AM (g1DWB)
Posted by: SH at February 06, 2014 09:09 AM (JfNy2)
Posted by: Speaker Boehner at February 06, 2014 09:09 AM (5ikDv)
Posted by: votermom at February 06, 2014 09:09 AM (GSIDW)
Posted by: Y-not aka t-shirt at February 06, 2014 09:09 AM (zDsvJ)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 06, 2014 09:10 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: MAx at February 06, 2014 09:10 AM (b7yum)
I also thought about telling them that look at all the dems have given to the black community in all these 50 years of stewardship. 70% of the babies born to unwed mothers. 25% unemployment in some age groups. An incarceration rate that is downright embarrassing. Anemic academics.
Posted by: CUS at February 06, 2014 09:10 AM (wcLJG)
It does sound like the threat of new leadership had Boehner slow down.
Did any of you see the Daily Show with Pelosi? Jon Stewart took her down and exposed her senile self to the libs. It was quite pathetic (I saw a clip somewhere as I don't watch the show).
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Duchess of Something at February 06, 2014 09:10 AM (baL2B)
Posted by: AmishDude at February 06, 2014 09:10 AM (T0NGe)
"To be on the safe side, we'd better run a transgendered candidate as well."
I thought Jon Huntsman had retired from politics?
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at February 06, 2014 09:11 AM (YYJjz)
Good point. US education is a problem. Hard to try to drag along a bunch of third-world apples without ruining the whole barrel.
Posted by: Golfman in NC at February 06, 2014 09:11 AM (gHDMy)
Posted by: tasker at February 06, 2014 09:11 AM (RJMhd)
@86 Why do you think the cry of racist is so prevalent?
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The problem is that they don't even need to cry it anymore. The belief has ingrained itself so deeply into the general subconciousness that it's an accepted meme these days. Look at the pushback from libs on Twitter when the guy was fired from MSNBC over the Cheerios ad tweet.
Posted by: junior at February 06, 2014 09:11 AM (UWFpX)
Posted by: mrp at February 06, 2014 09:11 AM (JBggj)
Posted by: Jean at February 06, 2014 09:12 AM (6aI1M)
Posted by: MAx at February 06, 2014 09:13 AM (b7yum)
Posted by: Darth Boner at February 06, 2014 09:13 AM (RFeQD)
And now the base believes them, and hates them for it.
Look, the job of enforcing laws falls on the executive, not the legislature. Obama has proven over and over that he will violate or not enforce laws he doesn't like.
No argument from anyone here.
Republicans can now say we had ideas, we wrote them down, but we do not trust Obama to enforce any new laws since he won't enforce the current ones. That will resonate with a lot of voters outside the base
This is the crux and where we disagree. Even if Hispanics DID believe that Republicans want amnesty, that doesn't mean they'll vote GOP.
Posted by: pep at February 06, 2014 09:13 AM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 06, 2014 09:13 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 06, 2014 09:13 AM (ZPrif)
@98 Did any of you see the Daily Show with Pelosi? Jon Stewart took her down and exposed her senile self to the libs. It was quite pathetic (I saw a clip somewhere as I don't watch the show).
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Unfortunately, the necessary question is, "What did the libs think of it?" I haven't heard anything about it except from conservatives.
Posted by: junior at February 06, 2014 09:14 AM (UWFpX)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 06, 2014 09:14 AM (WulNI)
Boehner proceeds with presenting an immigration reform bill - Burn him , Burn Him, Traitor!!!
Boehener announces he will not present an immigration reform bill - Burn him , Burn him, Potential Traitor !!!
Posted by: polynikes at February 06, 2014 09:14 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at February 06, 2014 09:15 AM (0HooB)
Posted by: Boss Moss at February 06, 2014 09:15 AM (6bMeY)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 06, 2014 09:16 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: tasker at February 06, 2014 09:16 AM (RJMhd)
If buzzfeed is to be believed then there are GOP congressman who believe that the opponents of amnesty are racist.
Posted by: Adam at February 06, 2014 09:16 AM (Aif/5)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 06, 2014 09:16 AM (DmNpO)
Posted by: t-bird at February 06, 2014 09:17 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: Chaos the other dark meat at February 06, 2014 09:17 AM (oDCMR)
Boehner
FTFY
Posted by: noone, really [/i] [/b] at February 06, 2014 09:17 AM (5ikDv)
Boehener announces he will not present an immigration reform bill - Burn him , Burn him, Potential Traitor!!!
I'd settle for minimal competence.
Posted by: pep at February 06, 2014 09:17 AM (6TB1Z)
Boehner proceeds with presenting an immigration reform bill - Burn him , Burn Him, Traitor!!!
Boehener announces he will not present an immigration reform bill - Burn him , Burn him, Potential Traitor!!!
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That's one way to look at it. Not a rational way, mind you.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at February 06, 2014 09:17 AM (UeKaD)
Half right. ... the Mexican government's inability/refusal to give free sh*t away like the US.
Reform the 14th amendment.
Posted by: Golfman in NC at February 06, 2014 09:17 AM (gHDMy)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 06, 2014 09:17 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Jean at February 06, 2014 09:17 AM (6aI1M)
Posted by: SH at February 06, 2014 09:18 AM (JfNy2)
Posted by: t-bird at February 06, 2014 09:18 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 06, 2014 09:18 AM (dfYL9)
Tanned, rested, and ready to take over for Henry Waxman!
Posted by: Chaz Bono at February 06, 2014 09:18 AM (4WhSY)
Posted by: Duke at February 06, 2014 09:18 AM (d3clc)
Posted by: Chris Balsz at February 06, 2014 09:19 AM (5xmd7)
Posted by: Boss Moss at February 06, 2014 01:15 PM (6bMeY)
Because they're usually too drunk to stand.
Posted by: joncelli at February 06, 2014 09:19 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Vic at February 06, 2014 12:55 PM (T2V/1)
Yup. Looks like they're finally deciding to take my advice.
Posted by: John McCain (R) at February 06, 2014 09:19 AM (M5T54)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 06, 2014 09:19 AM (WulNI)
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Duchess of Something at February 06, 2014 01:02 PM (baL 2B
This is what I keep saying. What the fruck does the phrase "our immigration system is broken" even mean. There are laws that state who may and may not be/work here. ENFORCE THE G-D LAWS.
There is also a law on the books that states that t double layer fence will be built along the entire southern border. Why the fuck aren't we doing that? Those are the questions I'd like someone to answer!
Posted by: Timon at February 06, 2014 09:19 AM (kAniV)
Posted by: Jean at February 06, 2014 09:19 AM (6aI1M)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 06, 2014 09:20 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at February 06, 2014 09:20 AM (0HooB)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 06, 2014 09:20 AM (DmNpO)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at February 06, 2014 01:17 PM (UeKaD)
Yes the rational way to look at it is to demand Boehner listen to what conservatives are saying and then when he does , you remain as angry as you were when you were making the demand.
Posted by: polynikes at February 06, 2014 09:21 AM (m2CN7)
@132 They cannot possibly be so ignorant as to believe amnesty will help them with the Latino vote. They LIE. All they are interested in is some sort of amnesty to show their big money donors.
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You know...
A clever conservative could turn this into a class warfare issue. "The Dems only support immigration because they're in the pocket of Big Business!" And it's not as if Big Business hasn't made it clear that it tends to favor amnesty. I'm not generally in favor of class warfare, but I might make an exception this one time.
Posted by: junior at February 06, 2014 09:21 AM (UWFpX)
Posted by: Jean at February 06, 2014 09:21 AM (6aI1M)
Posted by: tasker at February 06, 2014 09:21 AM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 06, 2014 09:22 AM (DmNpO)
Again, the goal here is minimal competence. Any pol worth his salt should have seen what would happen and avoided it. Are we supposed to thank Boehner now for having spit in the face of his base, and then saying "sorry"?
Posted by: pep at February 06, 2014 09:22 AM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: Meremortal at February 06, 2014 09:22 AM (1Y+hH)
Most of the people who immigrate illegally by getting entering legally and then never leaving are from Asia, Africa, and Europe. See Zeituni, Obama's Aunt.
Read a big sob story awhile back about a Polish immigrant in Chicago who couldn't bring all her family over for her wedding because there was a moratorium on tourist visas for Poles traveling to IL, because in a previous time period not a single Pole "tourist" who flew into O'Hare returned.
And now expecting people to follow our laws is "anti-Hispanic." Fuck that.
Posted by: HR at February 06, 2014 09:22 AM (ZKzrr)
Yes the rational way to look at it is to demand Boehner listen to what conservatives are saying and then when he does , you remain as angry as you were when you were making the demand.
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The rational thing would be for him to do what he was demanding of conservatives for the past 14 months - talk about nothing else but stalincare. Funny how he conveniently forgot to follow his own advice.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at February 06, 2014 09:22 AM (UeKaD)
it can be worked on, to make it more efficient.
what more is there to say?
Posted by: willow at February 06, 2014 09:23 AM (nqBYe)
We have nothing to fear from 15 million almost American's yearning to be free and vote their conscience for exchange payments they so richly deserve.
Posted by: John F'n McCain at February 06, 2014 09:23 AM (nQjHM)
Posted by: SH at February 06, 2014 09:24 AM (JfNy2)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 06, 2014 09:24 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 06, 2014 09:24 AM (7ObY1)
Fish eye lenses.
It's important to keep an accurate count of the brown trout population.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at February 06, 2014 09:24 AM (4WhSY)
Posted by: tasker at February 06, 2014 09:24 AM (RJMhd)
I always wonder how they can tell if our current immigration system is broken, because we don't have a current immigration system (or at least one that is visible to illegals from the Old Mexico).
Even more amazing is that the skilled educated people that ARE trying to immigrate here legally soon find out that there is a somewhat hostile INS-run immigration that wants to complicate the process for them.
Posted by: Hrothgar at February 06, 2014 09:24 AM (o3MSL)
I repeat, if the GOP House passes any form of Immigration "Reform" that changes the status of illegal immigrants to legal immigrants: I will vote for Democrats in the 2014 federal elections.
It will not matter to me if my particular House Representative (who happens to be Republican) votes against the legislation.- I will vote for his Democrat challenger.
It will not matter to me that my U.S. Senator up for reelection is a Democrat who will surely support Amnesty and that his Republican challenger will not have even had a chance to vote against the legislation that he openly condemned and swore he never would have supported. - I will vote for the incumbent Democrat.
I will protest against the wretched betrayal of the GOP the only way I can: I WILL VOTE TO __TAKE AWAY__ THEIR POWER.
I will come to view the GOP as worse than a useless, broken tool.
I will see it as a DANGEROUS Fifth Column.- Something that insidiously damages Conservatism in the most fundamental ways.
Posted by: _Dave_ at February 06, 2014 09:24 AM (07UzX)
Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at February 06, 2014 09:25 AM (bCEmE)
Posted by: Chris Balsz at February 06, 2014 09:25 AM (5xmd7)
*must. NOT. cry.*
*sob*
Posted by: Speaker John "Butthurt" Boehner at February 06, 2014 09:25 AM (5ikDv)
Posted by: Duke at February 06, 2014 09:25 AM (d3clc)
Once again, delusional. "armed with some sort of amnesty to show Latino voters"?
there are no Latinos who currently vote for the GOP that will refuse to vote for the GOP b/c of amnesty.
There are no Latinos who currently vote for the DNC but-for amnesty.
This is unbelievable. Who are these people? Isn't there a single person with a brain involved in this?
And I love the idea of amnesty opponents ginning up a timing issue. We aren't ginning up a timing issue. We are saying don't do it. The timing issue is ginned up from the pro-amnesty crowd.
So much dishonesty.
Posted by: Monkeytoe at February 06, 2014 09:25 AM (sOx93)
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at February 06, 2014 09:25 AM (R8hU8)
Posted by: Steve in Greensboro at February 06, 2014 09:25 AM (Dq8Uc)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 06, 2014 09:25 AM (/Crba)
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She casts a giant shadow.
Posted by: mrp at February 06, 2014 09:25 AM (JBggj)
Faux News, lookin' out fo' the folks!
Posted by: Hrothgar at February 06, 2014 09:25 AM (o3MSL)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at February 06, 2014 09:26 AM (J7sV0)
Posted by: James Carville at February 06, 2014 09:26 AM (6bMeY)
The corporations that are paying for amnesty votes are under the delusion that illegals will be good cheap workers, instead of welfare whores.
The RINOs are cooking up this "Mexican Republican" fantasy in order to self-rationalize letting into the country a bunch of illiterate tribesmen from a failed socialist state in at the behest of their incredibly shortsighted paymasters, a bunch of corporate yes-men retards. The same idiotic yes-men that though they could get commissions in bad loans forever during the housing bubble.
We have had enough of them immigrated here for the next century. We need more immigration of folks that grew up in eastern Europe, and understand what havoc socialism causes.
Posted by: Kristophr at February 06, 2014 09:26 AM (c6N69)
Posted by: Carol at February 06, 2014 09:26 AM (z4WKX)
Now when someone replaces a roof there are zero Americans. They are all Hispanic. Not even any blacks.
Posted by: Vic[/i] at February 06, 2014 09:26 AM (T2V/1)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 06, 2014 09:26 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: tasker at February 06, 2014 09:26 AM (RJMhd)
responsible govt to the people.
clean it up.
promise citizens and actually commit to Cleaning it up.
address irs , epa, atf, etc.
address that americans , America, the constitution and bill of rights is still legitimate.
Posted by: willow at February 06, 2014 09:26 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: pep at February 06, 2014 01:22 PM (6TB1Z)
Amen. The only "victims" are the kids brought here as babies by their felonious parents. So, there should be a path to citizenship to them, but, no one else, especially not their felon parents who committed the felony and thereby forced us into compassionately granting citizenship to their offspring. Furthermore, no GangBangers get citizenship. You wanna be in a gang in East L.A., you got to pay.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, think mink. at February 06, 2014 09:27 AM (kXoT0)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 06, 2014 09:27 AM (/Crba)
Not to worry. The guys who do Gollum's makeup will need work soon.
Posted by: pep at February 06, 2014 09:27 AM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: John Boner at February 06, 2014 09:28 AM (Aif/5)
Posted by: RWC at February 06, 2014 09:28 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Chris Balsz at February 06, 2014 09:28 AM (5xmd7)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 06, 2014 09:28 AM (/Crba)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at February 06, 2014 09:28 AM (J7sV0)
@181 I put radio on and heard that same group with commercial that they were playing when Rubio was trying to get people to go for it.
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Zuckerberg's fake conservative group?
Posted by: junior at February 06, 2014 09:28 AM (UWFpX)
hehe
Fox hires James Carville.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 06, 2014 01:22 PM (IXrOn)
What, O'Reilly isn't enough asshole for them?
Posted by: joncelli at February 06, 2014 09:29 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, Vermont at February 06, 2014 09:29 AM (nranl)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 06, 2014 09:30 AM (/Crba)
Posted by: pep at February 06, 2014 01:22 PM (6TB1Z)
Come on pep. I didn't say I think he deserves a thank you or even any credit for doing the right thing. I'm just pointing out the no win situation he and other politicians are in with a lot of commentors who will never be happy about anything. The can find a black cloud on a cloudless day.
Posted by: polynikes at February 06, 2014 09:30 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 06, 2014 09:30 AM (DmNpO)
Posted by: Monkeytoe at February 06, 2014 01:25 PM (sOx93)
It political timing. The GOP-e has decided in the Rovian back rooms that they will sell out the conservatives and the country for amnesty. After that, the rest of their policy is just waiting for an unguarded moment when they can slip it through on a voice vote
Posted by: Hrothgar at February 06, 2014 09:30 AM (o3MSL)
Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 06, 2014 09:31 AM (TGgNi)
Posted by: Carol at February 06, 2014 09:32 AM (z4WKX)
Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at February 06, 2014 09:32 AM (bCEmE)
Posted by: Boss Moss at February 06, 2014 09:32 AM (6bMeY)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 06, 2014 09:32 AM (7ObY1)
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Why do people vote Donk? Because they think voting stupid, corrupt, lying, incompetent weasel is better than voting evil.
Posted by: WalrusRex at February 06, 2014 09:33 AM (XUKZU)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 06, 2014 09:33 AM (ZPrif)
GOP side issue for 2014 (Pick One):
1. The IRS targeted abuse of GOP-leaning donors
2. The unexplained death of a US Ambassador and guards in an unsecured area of an unsecured city in Libya (where said ambassador was for unexplained reasons)
3. Continued crony payments to democrat bundlers using tax dollars
4. Massive unemployment due to onerous regulations and stalincare
5. Fast and Furious
6. The obscene war the EPA is waging against American business
7. Helping to pass the democrat version of amnesty
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Boehner picked number 7
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at February 06, 2014 09:33 AM (UeKaD)
Posted by: tasker at February 06, 2014 09:33 AM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Ian S. at February 06, 2014 09:33 AM (B/VB5)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 06, 2014 09:34 AM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Brother Cavil at February 06, 2014 09:34 AM (naUcP)
Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 06, 2014 09:34 AM (TGgNi)
Posted by: Lizzy at February 06, 2014 09:34 AM (POpqt)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 06, 2014 09:34 AM (/Crba)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 06, 2014 09:34 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at February 06, 2014 09:34 AM (X+nFp)
Posted by: SH at February 06, 2014 09:34 AM (JfNy2)
Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at February 06, 2014 09:34 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Dustin at February 06, 2014 09:35 AM (0a/7L)
Posted by: Carol at February 06, 2014 09:35 AM (z4WKX)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 06, 2014 09:35 AM (DmNpO)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 06, 2014 09:36 AM (ZPrif)
Sounds like a plan.
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at February 06, 2014 12:54 PM (r+7wo)
Depends on who you consider the base. From the perspective of the GOP Establishment, the base consists of the corporate types hot for amnesty and cheap labor, the big business money men who bankroll their campaigns and with whom they share common ideological ground. In contrast, they view us as extremists whose ideas are surefire losers even though they're the same geniuses now touting Jeb Bush, bless his heart, as The Candidate to beat Hillary Clinton. And how does one go about getting one of those high-paying political consulting jobs, anyway?
There needs to be a hashing out of differences within the Republican Party. The divisions between the GOP's leadership and its conservative voters go to the bone. Either that rift gets healed or we're looking at a third party split. It's happened before.
Posted by: troyriser at February 06, 2014 09:36 AM (V9ol4)
Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at February 06, 2014 09:36 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Tami
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Hillary couldn't beat Obama. Ailes picked Carville, I'm sure, because he's entertaining and brings eyeballs to the FNC.
Posted by: mrp at February 06, 2014 09:36 AM (JBggj)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 06, 2014 09:36 AM (/Crba)
Posted by: Duke at February 06, 2014 09:36 AM (d3clc)
No plank, no overarching ideology and certainly no morals (at least morals as we understand them.)
FOAD GoP. I'm voting for yellow fringe pot smoking libertarians until the GOP produces a 4 year policy plan. F them and the donkey they rode in on.
Posted by: 13times at February 06, 2014 09:36 AM (fGPLK)
Posted by: Minnfidel at February 06, 2014 09:37 AM (/o+xv)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 06, 2014 09:37 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: Chris Balsz at February 06, 2014 01:28 PM (5xmd7)
Contrary to widespread myth SCOTUS has never ruled on this subject.
United States v. Wong Kim Ark is most often quoted but it does not apply. He was the child of a "legal" immigrant.
Posted by: Vic[/i] at February 06, 2014 09:37 AM (T2V/1)
Posted by: John Boehner at February 06, 2014 09:37 AM (BAS5M)
Posted by: SH at February 06, 2014 09:37 AM (JfNy2)
Yeah. Five words for the "Hillary is inevitable" crowd: Cory Booker. He's got electrolytes.
Posted by: Ian S. at February 06, 2014 09:37 AM (B/VB5)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at February 06, 2014 09:37 AM (J7sV0)
The problem with pushing it off into 2015 is that it starts running up against teh 2016 election, and all of the House will be up again that year, as well as 1/3 of the Senate. Oh, and there will be presidential candidates on the board.
So I really do not know when they are going to find a "safe" time to do it.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Manager's Special on Republican-brand Perfidy! at February 06, 2014 09:38 AM (hLRSq)
Posted by: John Boehner at February 06, 2014 09:38 AM (/Crba)
Posted by: tasker at February 06, 2014 09:38 AM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 06, 2014 09:38 AM (659DL)
Posted by: Seems legit at February 06, 2014 09:38 AM (A98Xu)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 06, 2014 09:38 AM (ZPrif)
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Penumbra is Latin for fuck you.
Posted by: WalrusRex at February 06, 2014 09:39 AM (XUKZU)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 06, 2014 09:39 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 06, 2014 09:40 AM (/Crba)
Posted by: Brother Cavil at February 06, 2014 09:40 AM (naUcP)
" but were not exempt from prosecution in US courts by some act of government."
So illegal aliens' children are what?
Posted by: Golfman in NC at February 06, 2014 09:40 AM (gHDMy)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 06, 2014 09:40 AM (ZPrif)
Obama didn't beat Hillary fairly - see "We Will Not Be Silenced" documentary about the irregularities, threats and intimidation, and other Obama campaign shenanigans.
I don't buy that Hillary is inevitable, but I also don't buy that we have clean elections anymore.
Posted by: Lizzy at February 06, 2014 09:40 AM (POpqt)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 06, 2014 09:41 AM (659DL)
Posted by: tasker at February 06, 2014 09:41 AM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at February 06, 2014 09:41 AM (J7sV0)
Not a third party split. A new pro-liberty party replacing the old one.
It only took two years for Lincoln's Republicans to flush the Whigs down history's toilet.
Posted by: Kristophr at February 06, 2014 09:41 AM (c6N69)
Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at February 06, 2014 09:42 AM (9+ccr)
Posted by: troyriser at February 06, 2014 01:36 PM (V9ol4)
I may vote Whig soon! I agree: want this hashed out and candidates to explain what and/or where they are "reaching across aisle" if that is the perception. Cut to the chase. Cut bait or fish.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Duchess of Something at February 06, 2014 09:42 AM (baL2B)
Posted by: whoever at February 06, 2014 09:42 AM (kGSN0)
Posted by: Y-not aka t-shirt at February 06, 2014 09:42 AM (zDsvJ)
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, think mink. at February 06, 2014 09:42 AM (kXoT0)
Posted by: Carol at February 06, 2014 09:42 AM (z4WKX)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 06, 2014 09:42 AM (IXrOn)
Hillary couldn't beat Obama.
Posted by: mrp
The Shebeast took more skin offa him than Mccain or Mittwad, and got very close to winning the nomination.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 06, 2014 09:42 AM (kdS6q)
Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at February 06, 2014 09:43 AM (bCEmE)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 06, 2014 09:43 AM (659DL)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 06, 2014 01:38 PM (659DL)
Hillary's cold, black heart will continue to beat until all of her ambitions are realized. Strangely, her bucket list wish to sleep with Kate Upton jives with mine.
Posted by: troyriser at February 06, 2014 09:43 AM (V9ol4)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 06, 2014 09:43 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Monkeytoe at February 06, 2014 01:25 PM (sOx93)
There was a reason the Founders wanted the House to be elected on a two year basis. They mistakenly thought that an intelligent set of voters would be able to see incompetence and corruption and vote the bastards out, too bad they misjudged the standards for voting in the enlightened age of Obama.
Posted by: Hrothgar at February 06, 2014 09:43 AM (o3MSL)
Posted by: The Boehner at February 06, 2014 09:43 AM (nTgAI)
Posted by: tasker at February 06, 2014 09:43 AM (RJMhd)
Posted by: WalrusRex at February 06, 2014 09:43 AM (XUKZU)
Right, but:
1) Clinton, Inc. isn't as powerful as they used to be.
2) When Booker announces, Hillary will have zero chance of winning the primaries, because the black vote will go basically 100% to him.
Posted by: Ian S. at February 06, 2014 09:43 AM (B/VB5)
I think they care even more about hating the right. Their hate for the right is their one guiding motivation.
Posted by: Dang at February 06, 2014 09:43 AM (MNq6o)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 06, 2014 09:43 AM (/Crba)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at February 06, 2014 09:44 AM (2hTlI)
Posted by: DangerGirl and her Sanity Prod (tm) at February 06, 2014 09:44 AM (qBtUE)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at February 06, 2014 09:44 AM (J7sV0)
Posted by: --- at February 06, 2014 09:44 AM (MMC8r)
So--Ohio--essentially.
Posted by: tasker at February 06, 2014 01:38 PM (RJMhd)
How the GOP could fight Hillary:
1. To males: she's your ex wife
2. To women: she's your mother-in-law
3. To blacks: she isn't black.
(But, of course, they won't.)
Posted by: joncelli at February 06, 2014 09:44 AM (RD7QR)
Probably the only safe time would be when the economy comes back and unemployment (the real type) is low. Then it can be slipped through. Right now when things are tight (and Pelosi and company are just whistling past the graveyard with their happy-talk) it really isn't politically possible.
And with others I agree - why start this distraction from ObamaCare? why not keep pointing at ObamaCare? When amnesty is brought up just keep saying "We have more important problems to deal with, such as the destruction that ObamaCare is creating as it bashes its way through our economy and health care system." Keep bringing it back to ObamaCare and all of the disaster there and keep the Democrats bringing out the lame excuses like "You get to sleep in and spend more time with the kids!"
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Manager's Special on Republican-brand Perfidy! at February 06, 2014 09:44 AM (hLRSq)
Whoa, I just got a great idea for a story.
Posted by: E. A. Poe at February 06, 2014 09:44 AM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: tasker at February 06, 2014 09:44 AM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 06, 2014 09:45 AM (/Crba)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 06, 2014 09:45 AM (t3UFN)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 06, 2014 09:45 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Boss Moss at February 06, 2014 01:44 PM (6bMeY)
Me-sa sell out da nation to da Iranians!
Posted by: joncelli at February 06, 2014 09:45 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: SH at February 06, 2014 09:45 AM (JfNy2)
Posted by: tasker at February 06, 2014 09:45 AM (RJMhd)
@220 Isn't that how the system should work? Boehner obviously doesn't agree with the base but the bases voice has been heard through the elected reps. This doesn't mean to put your trust in boehner but make your voice heard. It has an affect as the current outcome shows.
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Yes, but the problem is that this isn't the first time that the base has needed to make it's voice heard on the issue. If he'd left it alone after the first attempt, then it would be a "lesson learned" thing. The fact that he keeps trying suggests that he's merely waiting until he thinks the base is distracted.
Posted by: junior at February 06, 2014 09:46 AM (UWFpX)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at February 06, 2014 01:44 PM (J7sV0)
Yeah, but, ours is worse. Woohooo, let's let Iowa and New Hampshire pick our candidate One More F@cking Time, what could possibly go wrong in the BIG states?
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, think mink. at February 06, 2014 09:46 AM (kXoT0)
What difference has *she* made in all her years in government?
Posted by: Lizzy at February 06, 2014 09:46 AM (POpqt)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 06, 2014 09:46 AM (aDwsi)
Posted by: the littl shyning man at February 06, 2014 09:46 AM (tmFlQ)
Posted by: Seems legit at February 06, 2014 09:46 AM (A98Xu)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at February 06, 2014 01:41 PM (J7sV0)
But those damn Whigs wrote in cursive so none of it is applicable today!
Posted by: Hrothgar at February 06, 2014 09:46 AM (o3MSL)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 06, 2014 01:38 PM (ZPrif)
The Left does believe that Nancy and Harry sold them out by not creating single payer when they created ObamaCare.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Manager's Special on Republican-brand Perfidy! at February 06, 2014 09:46 AM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 06, 2014 09:46 AM (/Crba)
I have some fairly serious doubts that her health can hold up.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here)
She'll just respawn as a Lich.....
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 06, 2014 09:47 AM (kdS6q)
>>>I would like to remind the ReWhiglicans that the last time a useless party was replaced by an upstart? It only took six years for the new kids to have the White House and the old party to be on the scrap heap.
Those guys had much better communications technology than we are capable of: People who could both listen *and* think
Posted by: Bigby's Chapped Hands at February 06, 2014 09:47 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Lizzy
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Lizzy, campaign shenanigans is an American tradition. There's a reason why Abe Lincoln didn't receive a single popular vote in 10 states (1860). Tammany Hall, Chicago, etc.
Posted by: mrp at February 06, 2014 09:47 AM (JBggj)
So, I have a serious question, how the h3ll do Republicans or more importantly ever get to the place where we are not presumed to be racists and are also deemed so worthless that any proof we offer to show that we are not racists is automatically dismissed?
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You would have to outlaw the democrat party. Race and class hatred is all they do. They literally encourage blacks to hate whites and vote democrat to spite them, even if voting democrat hurts themselves in the long run. Democrats preach class hatred in the rust belt states, even as their crony payback schemes take blue collar jobs out of the states and often the country. The democrat party has only three things to offer: abortion, redistribution, and hate, and hate has been the most powerful weapon for them.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at February 06, 2014 09:47 AM (UeKaD)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 06, 2014 01:38 PM (ZPrif)
They passed welfare reform, have not passed any gun control restrictions, have passed two large tax cuts, authorized Operation Iraqi Freedom, passed the DOMA. I'm sure I can find others the left base hated. You're operating out of a vaccum.
Posted by: polynikes at February 06, 2014 09:47 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 06, 2014 09:47 AM (659DL)
Posted by: t-bird at February 06, 2014 09:47 AM (FcR7P)
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I know that I'm scraping the bottom of the barrel for a silver lining here but If Hillabeast wins, it'll be amusing to see Teh Won trying to remain in the spotlight despite being out of office. I just don't see him going gently into that good night.
Posted by: WalrusRex at February 06, 2014 09:47 AM (XUKZU)
Somehow, I think there should be a carpet joke in there, but I can't come up with one.
Posted by: Hrothgar at February 06, 2014 09:47 AM (o3MSL)
Posted by: whoever at February 06, 2014 09:47 AM (kGSN0)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 06, 2014 09:48 AM (ZPrif)
YouTube vid of it is LuO_A4hXrcg
Posted by: SGT Dan's Cat at February 06, 2014 09:48 AM (nranl)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 06, 2014 09:48 AM (t3UFN)
Hilly's got too much baggage and no resume. And two years from now, she's gonna look even older than she is. There's not enough lipstick to cover that pig.
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at February 06, 2014 09:48 AM (R5UOB)
Posted by: mugiwara at February 06, 2014 09:48 AM (hRqkO)
Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at February 06, 2014 09:48 AM (bCEmE)
William F. Buckley admitted that he had accidentally cut the heart out of the YAF and the Republican Party when they purged the "Lazy Fairys".
Posted by: Kristophr at February 06, 2014 09:49 AM (c6N69)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 06, 2014 09:49 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 06, 2014 09:49 AM (659DL)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 06, 2014 01:48 PM (t3UFN)
FIFY
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at February 06, 2014 09:50 AM (R5UOB)
Why do they even allow Foxnews to exist? All they do is spout lies. All they are are a propaganda machine for the republicans!
(End Dream sequence)
The point I am trying to make here is that one usually sees an opponent as much more monolithic than he actually is.
Your mileage may vary.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 06, 2014 09:50 AM (TGgNi)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at February 06, 2014 09:50 AM (J7sV0)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 06, 2014 09:50 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Boner Johnny at February 06, 2014 09:50 AM (oFCZn)
Posted by: DangerGirl and her Sanity Prod (tm) at February 06, 2014 01:44 PM (qBtUE)
I doubt I am the only constituent who emailed Rubio last year, as he seems to be in full mea culpa now (from the little I have paid attention since November). I think he got the message: either listen or be voted out, and he may be voted out. On the other hand, I will vote for him vs Dems. Once you get to DC it must be very hard to fight against the lobbies and special interests. He talked a great talk on the primary trail, and we truly loved him until he started his mess on potential amnesty. Lesson learned, I hope. On that note I trust no politician, none I can think of, to stay true to their word.
Keep their feet to the fire, that is all any of us can do. I am quite weary of the entire thing, but will have batteries recharged for the fight.
Make 'em show their hand. Term limits.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Duchess of Something at February 06, 2014 09:50 AM (baL2B)
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On Twitchy, a former Allen associate quotes at length from the judges order in the divorce court and iut is devastating to Woody.
Posted by: WalrusRex at February 06, 2014 09:50 AM (XUKZU)
Yeah, I was thinking that she announced early as "inevitable" as a way to discourage others from getting into the ring. Lord knows what carrot/stick stuff they're doing behind the scenes to convince any young ambitious Dems from considering a run until after 2016.
Posted by: Lizzy at February 06, 2014 09:50 AM (POpqt)
Posted by: cursive is crazy at February 06, 2014 09:51 AM (MhA4j)
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Wall-to-wall coverage.
Posted by: mrp at February 06, 2014 09:51 AM (JBggj)
Posted by: E. A. Poe at February 06, 2014 01:44 PM (6TB1Z)
The Cask of Maker's Mark?
The Fall of the House of Foster?
The Purloined Rose Law Firm Records?
The Puttana and the President's Pendulum? Posted by: BlueStateRebel
The Tell Tale Harpie
Posted by: E. A. Poe at February 06, 2014 09:51 AM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 06, 2014 09:51 AM (DmNpO)
Posted by: SH at February 06, 2014 09:51 AM (JfNy2)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at February 06, 2014 09:52 AM (UeKaD)
Posted by: The 3 am Benghazi Phone Call at February 06, 2014 09:52 AM (FcR7P)
Apparently they only get Al Jazeera at the State Dept.?
Posted by: Lizzy at February 06, 2014 09:52 AM (POpqt)
Posted by: the littl shyning man at February 06, 2014 01:46 PM (tmFlQ)
I work with a Puerto Rican who will very clearly tell you, "I never ate a taco growing up. I am not Mexican."
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, think mink. at February 06, 2014 09:52 AM (kXoT0)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 06, 2014 09:52 AM (659DL)
Posted by: tasker at February 06, 2014 09:52 AM (RJMhd)
Tom Coburn wants to call a constitutional convention http://washex.am/1fX3xqv
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 06, 2014 01:51 PM (DmNpO)
Good. Good on him for doing that. The states need to take back their authority from fedzilla.
Posted by: NWConservative at February 06, 2014 09:52 AM (buZ/8)
Posted by: Seems legit at February 06, 2014 09:52 AM (A98Xu)
@311 it'll be amusing to see Teh Won trying to remain in the spotlight despite being out of office. I just don't see him going gently into that good night.
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He'll be at least as bad as Carter post-office.
And Democratic racial politics will mean that any Democrat in the White House will at least give ear service to him (unlike Carter, whom Clinton could safely ignore when Carter started to get more problematic).
Posted by: junior at February 06, 2014 09:53 AM (UWFpX)
Kerry. also said Israelis were pussies, whereas he himself had been shot at with real bullets. An incident that was seared, seared, into his memory.
It turns out telling that to people who've had suicide bombings down the street and rockets land in their garden don't take kindly to that.
Posted by: Ian S. at February 06, 2014 09:53 AM (B/VB5)
Posted by: 13times at February 06, 2014 01:49 PM (fGPLK)
Any man or woman who could accurately be described as 'Lincolnesque' would not, by definition, be content with the role of figurehead. Either we find a real leader or we don't. I'm not holding out high hopes.
Posted by: troyriser at February 06, 2014 09:53 AM (V9ol4)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 06, 2014 09:54 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at February 06, 2014 09:54 AM (bCEmE)
Posted by: Ian S. at February 06, 2014 01:43 PM (B/VB5)
Obama didn't get 100% of the black vote.
Posted by: Vic[/i] at February 06, 2014 09:54 AM (T2V/1)
Posted by: garrett at February 06, 2014 09:54 AM (V2YFE)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at February 06, 2014 09:54 AM (J7sV0)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 06, 2014 09:54 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 06, 2014 09:54 AM (659DL)
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at February 06, 2014 09:54 AM (R5UOB)
Posted by: Seems legit at February 06, 2014 09:55 AM (A98Xu)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at February 06, 2014 09:55 AM (r+7wo)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 06, 2014 09:55 AM (7ObY1)
Your mileage may vary.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 06, 2014 01:50 PM (TGgNi)
And competent and powerful.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Manager's Special on Republican-brand Perfidy! at February 06, 2014 09:55 AM (hLRSq)
Posted by: acat at February 06, 2014 09:55 AM (4UkCP)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 06, 2014 09:56 AM (ZPrif)
Yeah, I recall a story like that, I think in the Swift Boat book.
Posted by: Ian S. at February 06, 2014 09:56 AM (B/VB5)
>>>4) Why are they even considering ok'ing the keystone pipeline? The environment demands we stop using coal and oil. Outlaw gas cars and force everyone into mass transit!
We should create a whole new "State" called the Environment -- to give it a True Voice in our polity!!1! Two Senators, Congressmen apportioned to the population of the entire PLANET!!!1!
Posted by: Bigby's Chapped Hands at February 06, 2014 09:56 AM (3ZtZW)
Bad example. The Whig Party wasn't well established to begin with- it only lasted about 20 years or so.
It's not difficult to predict what the outcome would be of a Tru Conservative third party. And it's not the one you'd be hoping for.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 06, 2014 09:56 AM (SY2Kh)
Yes! Boner and his corporate paymasters really do think that illiterates from a failed third-world socialist state will vote Republican and not go on welfare if they are handed citizenship.
Top men!
Posted by: Kristophr at February 06, 2014 09:57 AM (c6N69)
The implication is the Repub leadership honestly believes they are doomed long term. So they want Amnesty so they can be slightly less doomed.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 06, 2014 01:54 PM (ZPrif)
We will be hitting the end long before the republican party is a minority. We are over 100% debt to GDP and no end in sight. There will be significant shakeups in power in the US and we may end up in a situation similar to the Weimar Republic only this time with a capacity to destroy the world several times over. Obama has paved the way for a future executive to run roughshod over the other branches.
Posted by: NWConservative at February 06, 2014 09:57 AM (buZ/8)
Posted by: SH at February 06, 2014 09:57 AM (JfNy2)
Posted by: John Kerry SecState at February 06, 2014 01:56 PM (Aif/5)
FIFY
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at February 06, 2014 09:57 AM (R5UOB)
Seemed to have formed some new opportunities for graft and fraud, at least.
Posted by: HR at February 06, 2014 09:57 AM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, think mink. at February 06, 2014 01:52 PM (kXoT0
My sister-in-law immigrated from Colombia. It is advised that no one call her a Mexican. Hispanics are not one nationality, as you well-know.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Manager's Special on Republican-brand Perfidy! at February 06, 2014 09:58 AM (hLRSq)
Posted by: rickb223 at February 06, 2014 09:58 AM (p9JxP)
Posted by: RWC at February 06, 2014 09:58 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 06, 2014 09:58 AM (TGgNi)
>>>All we need now is a Lincolnesque figurehead
You do know that you're losing the South when you talk like this, right?
Posted by: Bigby's Chapped Hands at February 06, 2014 09:59 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: JackStraw at February 06, 2014 09:59 AM (g1DWB)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 06, 2014 09:59 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: SH at February 06, 2014 09:59 AM (JfNy2)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 06, 2014 09:59 AM (dfYL9)
Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at February 06, 2014 09:59 AM (bCEmE)
Posted by: Linda Taylor at February 06, 2014 10:00 AM (Aif/5)
Posted by: Minnfidel at February 06, 2014 10:01 AM (/o+xv)
Posted by: Coriolanus Snow at February 06, 2014 10:01 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Seems legit at February 06, 2014 10:01 AM (A98Xu)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 06, 2014 01:56 PM (ZPrif)
Economic and military strengths are inextricably tied. If the United States goes full-on socialist, we won't have the force projection capability to take on the Duchy of Liechtenstein.
Posted by: troyriser at February 06, 2014 10:02 AM (V9ol4)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 06, 2014 10:02 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 06, 2014 10:02 AM (DmNpO)
Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 06, 2014 10:03 AM (TGgNi)
1. Take over the media. (Okay, that's a fantasy.)
2. Fight the media as much as possible.
3. Work very hard to recruit "minority" candidates and spokespeople who are competent and articulate. This MATTERS, which is why the Left reacts with hysteria against, say, black conservatives.
While a black GOP candidate will not get any more black votes than a white one, the visual image weakens the Narrative, especially among white observers.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 06, 2014 01:59 PM (dfYL9)
#1 will never happen. #2 is very hard, Cruz excels at it, but, he is the exception, not the rule. #3 is hard...Mia Love and Allen West both paid a very high price. I really rather hope that J.C. Watts will get Coburn's seat here in Oklahoma.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, think mink. at February 06, 2014 10:03 AM (kXoT0)
would be. I just use history as a guide. The Whig party ended and GOP
triumphed in 6 years.
Bad example. The Whig Party wasn't well established to begin with- it only lasted about 20 years or so.
It's not difficult to predict what the outcome would be of a Tru Conservative third party. And it's not the one you'd be hoping for.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 06, 2014 01:56 PM (SY2Kh)
I think it would probably be more like what happened in Canada with the reform party bolting from their version of the tories (progressive conservative party of canada). The socialists from labor took over for almost 20 years and passed a lot of crap. But the reform party grew in power and eventually gobbled up the progressive conservatives into the conservative party of canada.
And now they have stephen harper and conservative government that has grown larger with every election since 2006.
Posted by: NWConservative at February 06, 2014 10:03 AM (buZ/8)
Posted by: Chris Balsz at February 06, 2014 10:03 AM (5xmd7)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 06, 2014 10:04 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: rickb223 at February 06, 2014 10:04 AM (p9JxP)
It's not difficult to predict what the outcome would be of a Tru Conservative third party. And it's not the one you'd be hoping for.
Posted by: Hollowpoint
Canada
Prog Conservatives wiped out
Reform Party develops into the current Conservative Party
Worked like a freakin' charm.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 06, 2014 10:05 AM (kdS6q)
>>>Economic and military strengths are inextricably tied. If the United States goes full-on socialist, we won't have the force projection capability to take on the Duchy of Liechtenstein.
Nonsense. You're looking at, I'd guess, Europe. The problem there is they share their military obligations, and so nobody has any final interest in it. Tragedy of the Commons applied to the military, is all. We'll be more akin to the USSR and no-one ever said they were weak.
Posted by: Bigby's Chapped Hands at February 06, 2014 10:05 AM (3ZtZW)
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Not all of it
Posted by: mrp at February 06, 2014 10:05 AM (JBggj)
Yeah, but the media, entertainment, and education systems have been mythologizing her for 20+ years now - that's an entire generation right there who has heard almost nothing but praise for this woman.
She's been validated by scores of institutions giving her awards for just being Hillary. It's sickening, but it probably shouldn't be shrugged off.
Posted by: Lizzy at February 06, 2014 10:05 AM (POpqt)
@391 #3 is hard...Mia Love and Allen West both paid a very high price. I really rather hope that J.C. Watts will get Coburn's seat here in Oklahoma.
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Also, an attempt with that is one of the reasons why Michael Steele got his Republican leadership position back in 2009. I'm not saying that we shouldn't keep an eye out for it. But we do need to show be careful about automatically embracing a candidate because of it.
Posted by: junior at February 06, 2014 10:05 AM (UWFpX)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 06, 2014 10:06 AM (ZPrif)
That would be the libertarian wing of the Republican Party.
Libertarian are under the delusion that people always choose their own best long term interests. They do not.
If they did, everyone would save their money, and invest it, buy gold, or buy a home. The only people renting would be twenty somethings.
But it doesn't work that way. People vote their emotions, and they make spending decisions based on whatever is easiest or most fun. People who think long term, and make purely intelligent decisions are too rare for libertarianism to work.
Posted by: Kristophr at February 06, 2014 10:06 AM (c6N69)
http://is.gd/FtNCGV
God's SMITE button must be broken.
http://www.inklingscommunity.org/forgive2-smite.jpg
Posted by: HR at February 06, 2014 10:06 AM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: Linda Taylor at February 06, 2014 02:00 PM (Aif/5)
So the Welfare Fraud office in the Wayne County Prosecutor's Office was a figment of my imagination?
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Manager's Special on Republican-brand Perfidy! at February 06, 2014 10:06 AM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at February 06, 2014 10:06 AM (81ia8)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 06, 2014 10:06 AM (7ObY1)
***
Canuckistan ain't the US, bro.
Posted by: cool arrow at February 06, 2014 10:07 AM (Dqdyh)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at February 06, 2014 10:07 AM (0HooB)
Posted by: Chris Balsz at February 06, 2014 10:07 AM (5xmd7)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 06, 2014 10:07 AM (DmNpO)
Posted by: Chris Balsz at February 06, 2014 02:03 PM (5xmd7)
He didn't graduate fifth from the bottom of his class at Annapolis for nothing.
Posted by: polynikes at February 06, 2014 10:07 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 06, 2014 10:07 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Carol at February 06, 2014 10:08 AM (z4WKX)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 06, 2014 10:08 AM (7ObY1)
While a black GOP candidate will not get any more black votes than a white one, the visual image weakens the Narrative, especially among white observers.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille
Remember the GOP's "Year of the Woman" with all those Republican candidates in dresses* that were going to rake in the female votes?
How did that turn out?
*well, pantsuits.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 06, 2014 10:08 AM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 06, 2014 10:08 AM (ZPrif)
And Barack Obama said "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor." So what?
If your argument is about pragmatic politics, how do you think it will play for 20 million now legals to be told you won't be citizens, ever, election after election? But no worries, I'm sure the Dems wouldn't stoop so low as to exploit that.
Posted by: pep at February 06, 2014 10:08 AM (6TB1Z)
Ironic sock was ironic.
(Warning: Amateur webzine Slate: http://is.gd/nr45Lo)
Posted by: HR at February 06, 2014 10:08 AM (ZKzrr)
What we have now mostly IS working. It's just not delivering the outcome you or I would prefer.
Politically, to be a limited-government, states-rights, constitutional conservative makes one an extremist in this day and age.
We represent a minority, and not a terribly large one at that. The sooner our side comes to terms with this unfortunate reality, the sooner we can focus on changing minds instead of the reactionary scapegoating we're seeing now.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 06, 2014 10:08 AM (SY2Kh)
@383 There's no such thing as welfare abuse.
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Did you read the Slate article last month on the "Welfare Queen" that Reagan used to talk about? Note that he's not the one who came up with that term for the woman in question, and her welfare shenanigans were the *least* of her crimes.
Posted by: junior at February 06, 2014 10:08 AM (UWFpX)
Posted by: acat at February 06, 2014 10:09 AM (4UkCP)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 06, 2014 10:09 AM (7ObY1)
Mew
Posted by: acat at February 06, 2014 01:55 PM (4UkCP)
The last exit polls I saw had the Dems getting 70% of the Hispanic vote.
Posted by: Vic[/i] at February 06, 2014 10:09 AM (T2V/1)
>>>When the US adopts a parliamentary system then we can try some clever minority party ruling coalition gambit like in Canada.
When the US gets a second party we can try out how its supposed to be done.
Posted by: Bigby's Chapped Hands at February 06, 2014 10:10 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 06, 2014 01:59 PM (dfYL9)
Strangely enough, when J. C. Watts was elected to Congress it was from a predominantly White and rather rural area of Oklahoma. Was it a triumph against racism? Nope, the pundits said the hicks of Oklahoma wanted an Evil Republican so bad, they were even willing to hold their noses and vote for a Black man. Then, when he got to DC, the CBC refused to let him caucus with them because he was not Black enough--just an Oreo.
They totz gotz a answer fo' every ting!
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, think mink. at February 06, 2014 10:10 AM (kXoT0)
Posted by: whoever at February 06, 2014 10:10 AM (kGSN0)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 06, 2014 10:10 AM (ZPrif)
WHY!! do they keep trying to court these Latinos that will not vote for them, and will cause the base to give the finger to the Republican party? My brain is going to freaking explode at this total asininery.
Posted by: Lady in Black at February 06, 2014 10:11 AM (Oa7B2)
Too many people choose to steal shit from other people. You know, that socialism thingy again.
Libertarianism will continue to fail for as long as people can delude themselves into thinking that government theft is OK. You just are not going to get a large enough critical mass of intelligent people to make it work.
The bottom of the bell curve will continue to fuck you.
Posted by: Kristophr at February 06, 2014 10:12 AM (c6N69)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 06, 2014 10:12 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: rickb223 at February 06, 2014 10:12 AM (p9JxP)
There's a completely different dynamic in Canada owing to their parliamentary system. Ours is a two-party system.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 06, 2014 10:12 AM (SY2Kh)
Is that last actually a word? If not, it should be.
Posted by: pep at February 06, 2014 10:12 AM (6TB1Z)
Fine enough. Hopefully enough bona fide conservatives will be elected this fall to kick the can into orbit.
Posted by: Reggie1971 at February 06, 2014 10:12 AM (S11Oq)
***
Canuckistan ain't the US, bro.
Posted by: cool arrow at February 06, 2014 02:07 PM (Dqdyh)
Cool story bro.
Posted by: NWConservative at February 06, 2014 10:12 AM (buZ/8)
>>>Harper's party won only 40% of the vote in 2011. Yet parliamentary rules made Harper PM.
How much did Bill Clinton win by?
Posted by: Bigby's Chapped Hands at February 06, 2014 10:12 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Karl Rove at February 06, 2014 10:13 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: junior at February 06, 2014 02:05 PM (UWFpX)
In other words, don't be racist, judge the content of their character?
West was forfeited to redistricting.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 06, 2014 02:07 PM (DmNpO)
True, but, the Dims also flooded that race with money.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, think mink. at February 06, 2014 10:13 AM (kXoT0)
The attack was "the most significant incident of domestic terrorism involving the grid that has ever occurred" in the U.S., Jon Wellinghoff, who was chairman of the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission at the time, told Smith.
A blackout was avoided thanks to quick-thinking utility workers, who rerouted power around the site and asked power plants in Silicon Valley to produce more electricity. But the substation was knocked out for a month.
Posted by: Nikola Tesla at February 06, 2014 10:13 AM (e8kgV)
Posted by: Ribald Conservative riding Orca at February 06, 2014 10:13 AM (RFeQD)
The CPC has an outright majority in the House of Commons now. No coalition.
Posted by: Waterhouse at February 06, 2014 10:13 AM (hBNxo)
Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at February 06, 2014 10:14 AM (QTrIH)
Posted by: Seems legit at February 06, 2014 10:14 AM (A98Xu)
@427 They should do it anyway. Boner has already shown his disloyalty to the country and the base. Throw his ass out.
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Problem is, some of the Representatives who would vote to remove Boehner if he pushed amnesty will decide it's not worth the trouble if Boehner leaves it alone for now. And if you attempt to remove Boehner and fail, it makes the anti-Boehner side look weak, which would encourage Boehner to go ahead with the amnesty push.
Posted by: junior at February 06, 2014 10:14 AM (UWFpX)
Which would invite the world's most obvious equal protection clause lawsuit, and all the affected illegals would be voting in the next election.
Posted by: Ian S. at February 06, 2014 10:15 AM (B/VB5)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at February 06, 2014 10:15 AM (0HooB)
Posted by: JackStraw at February 06, 2014 10:15 AM (g1DWB)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 06, 2014 02:10 PM (ZPrif)
They have the exact same voting situation that we have here. Whoever gets the most votes wins. The left is fractured in Canada. If the republicans got 40% of the votes in a district and the democrats got 39.99% and the greens/progressive party whatever picked up the rest you still get republicans winning the seat.
Same thing happens in Canada.
Posted by: NWConservative at February 06, 2014 10:15 AM (buZ/8)
Posted by: Sphynx at February 06, 2014 10:15 AM (OZmbA)
Posted by: Seems legit at February 06, 2014 10:16 AM (A98Xu)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] at February 06, 2014 10:16 AM (HsTG8)
Posted by: panzernashorn at February 06, 2014 10:16 AM (MhA4j)
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LOL
I read an article at Newsbusters where Kristol presented a list of nine possible 2016 candidates. Chuck Todd took issue with one of the names.
Posted by: mrp at February 06, 2014 10:16 AM (JBggj)
reform party bolting from their version of the tories (progressive
conservative party of canada).
There's a completely different dynamic in Canada owing to their parliamentary system. Ours is a two-party system.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 06, 2014 02:12 PM (SY2Kh)
Our system is not written into stone. Whoever gets the most votes wins. Unless you are in states with runoffs where you need a majority vote to win.
Posted by: NWConservative at February 06, 2014 10:17 AM (buZ/8)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 06, 2014 10:17 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: whoever at February 06, 2014 10:17 AM (kGSN0)
You keep trying to get what you want. You might not get it now, but you will win if you outlast your opponent. If we don't get rid of Boehner this time, we will try again after Nov. 2014.
It's like goats escaping from a pen. They are not smarter than the herdsman ... but they do not ever stop trying to get out. If a bunch of stupid goats can get out of the pen, then so can we.
Posted by: Kristophr at February 06, 2014 10:17 AM (c6N69)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at February 06, 2014 10:17 AM (2hTlI)
Posted by: Seems legit at February 06, 2014 10:17 AM (A98Xu)
There's a completely different dynamic in Canada owing to their parliamentary system. Ours is a two-party system.
Posted by: Hollowpoint
Outside of the screeching French in Quebec and the lunatics in British California, Canada effectively does have a two party system in the civilized parts of the country.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 06, 2014 10:18 AM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Woody Allen at February 06, 2014 10:18 AM (OZmbA)
Posted by: garrett at February 06, 2014 10:18 AM (V2YFE)
If you don't bring something we want to the table, you don't get citizenship.
Posted by: Kristophr at February 06, 2014 10:18 AM (c6N69)
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at February 06, 2014 10:19 AM (GjPnA)
Posted by: Seems legit at February 06, 2014 10:19 AM (A98Xu)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 06, 2014 10:19 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Woody Allen at February 06, 2014 02:18 PM (OZmbA)
Who don't have mouthy brothers or Mothers.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, think mink. at February 06, 2014 10:20 AM (kXoT0)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 06, 2014 10:20 AM (ZPrif)
Unless there was some sort of quid pro quo behind the scenes (ie do this for us and we'll have a million dollar a year job waiting when you're ousted as Speaker) it made zero sense from any angle I could see.
Milton Friedman had the best quote , "The way you solve things is by making it politically profitable for the wrong people to do the right thing."
I don't know what is going on in Boehner's head and where his loyalties lie, but I'm glad he was strong armed into the right decision.
Posted by: McAdams at February 06, 2014 10:21 AM (3QYTt)
@458 You keep trying to get what you want. You might not get it now, but you will win if you outlast your opponent. If we don't get rid of Boehner this time, we will try again after Nov. 2014.
It's like goats escaping from a pen. They are not smarter than the herdsman ... but they do not ever stop trying to get out. If a bunch of stupid goats can get out of the pen, then so can we.
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And in the meantime, Boehner feels emboldened because he survived an attempt to remove him, and goes ahead and forces Amnesty through.
I'm not saying don't try after the mid-terms. I'm saying that attempting it during the middle of the term carries it's own risks that might not otherwise be in play.
Posted by: junior at February 06, 2014 10:21 AM (UWFpX)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Manager's Special on Republican-brand Perfidy! at February 06, 2014 10:21 AM (hLRSq)
Posted by: panzernashorn at February 06, 2014 10:21 AM (MhA4j)
Do not ever assume that businesses are pro-conservative.
Posted by: Kristophr at February 06, 2014 10:22 AM (c6N69)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 06, 2014 10:22 AM (dfYL9)
Of course, in modern times, that's only happened on the Right in America.
Not much of a strategy to hope some pissed off left-wing billionaire runs a suicidal Green campaign just cause he personally hates the Democrat nominee.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 06, 2014 02:17 PM (ZPrif)
A regional party can win seats in the house and senate. Not necessarily the presidency. Our system rewards two parties and punishes third parties on the presidential level with winner take all.
You could get a better result for everyone if California wasn't monolithic in awarding all its electoral votes for president every four years to the democrat. Awarding votes based off of congressional district would be a better system than we have now, and easier to control fraud by minimizing the big cities where it occurs.
With a system like that, you would get a republican president for years to come.
Posted by: NWConservative at February 06, 2014 10:22 AM (buZ/8)
The economy is in shambles, thanks to the past five years under this administration, the rising debt, disastrous housing market, rising unemployment, and now, Obamacare...which the CBO said in a Congressional hearing will ruin the economy/employment for decades to come (or the rest of his life). So, dear Congresscritter/ politician, how will amnesty improve these situations in this economic disaster? You will add to the welfare rolls, correct?
Granted, some illegals will now be forced (I guess?) to pay for insurance. Or, like many, will just ignore the "penalty" tax which cannot be enforced or, as Dems are probably planning, simply add more to Medicaid rolls---which Obamacare has done for many: they take from Medicare to pay for Medicaid, thus "punishing" the elderly, many WWII and Korean and Vietnam veterans who actually had jobs and put money into Social Security and Medicare. Redistribution.
Now, what many who vote Dim don't realize, the blind being led by the schemers and Schumers, the black voters and pot heads, is that their Medicaid benefits and food stamps et all will be cut if amnesty is made real. Right? You can only spread redistribution so far without anything coming in. 2.5 million out of full-time work and benefits, per the CBO, is going to take a bite, in addition to the others already unemployed.
When I get some political energy I may call Rubio's office and ask the questions above. I am paraphrasing, but think his past statements, which he has backed off from, involved putting illegals on the path to taxes. This, when, uh, is it 47% of Americans don't pay taxes? er, I guess that Romney fella was correct on that one? That number will soon be higher, one would assume, by the next presidential election.
I am not smart on math/taxes/numbers/figures/statistics. I would rather set myself on fire than take algebra again, and thankfully sons inherited husbands vast math brain. It might have made sense a decade ago, this push for amnesty (even though it did not then, either, to not have a secure border when 9/11 proved a huge drop in drugs coming over border when it was briefly sealed), it makes less sense now to not seal the border and figure this out for current legal citizens and those who are applying for legal citizenship who will help improve the economy.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Duchess of Something at February 06, 2014 10:22 AM (baL2B)
Posted by: panzernashorn at February 06, 2014 10:23 AM (MhA4j)
Posted by: Damiano at February 06, 2014 10:23 AM (j0wOO)
Posted by: rickb223 at February 06, 2014 10:24 AM (p9JxP)
Posted by: panzernashorn at February 06, 2014 10:24 AM (MhA4j)
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Yeah, speaking of which they are having some sort of remembrance ceremony
for what's his face who OD the other day. This guy was not a hero. Neither was Whitney Houston. Our culture is in awe of a bunch of addicts and perverts and treats them as if they were gods.
Posted by: WalrusRex at February 06, 2014 10:24 AM (XUKZU)
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Agree. It's been declared "dead" many times since 2007. Most notably just a few months ago. It was dead, buried, we can all breathe easy! But it came back like I knew it would. I don't trust Boehner, Cantor or Ryan at all.
Posted by: Lady in Black at February 06, 2014 10:24 AM (Oa7B2)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] at February 06, 2014 10:25 AM (HsTG8)
Posted by: This thread at February 06, 2014 10:25 AM (vgIRn)
Same thing happens in Canada.
Posted by: NWConservative at February 06, 2014 02:15 PM (buZ/
Depends on the State in question. We have a runoff here if nobody gets 50.0%.
Posted by: Vic[/i] at February 06, 2014 10:26 AM (T2V/1)
They get paid cash by fly-by-night labor contractors, and milk the welfare system.
Posted by: Kristophr at February 06, 2014 10:26 AM (c6N69)
Look, I loved him both as a QB and in Congress, but do we need another quitter?
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 06, 2014 02:09 PM (7ObY1)
Hank Brown (Colorado Senator several years back) did that, too.
We need more, not fewer, people of that mindset and caliber.
Posted by: jwb7605 [/i][/u][/s][/b] at February 06, 2014 10:26 AM (ZALPg)
Posted by: rickb223 at February 06, 2014 10:26 AM (p9JxP)
Posted by: NWConservative at February 06, 2014 02:17 PM (buZ/
We are not a parliamentary system; our chief executive does not come out of the legislature. We are different, very different.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Manager's Special on Republican-brand Perfidy! at February 06, 2014 10:27 AM (hLRSq)
Illegal immigration is now dead and we get to blame Obama. Show me the down side of this.
1) Just because you predicted it doesn't make it a good idea.
2) Illegal immigration is not now dead. It's merely pining for the fjords.
3) The down side is an angry, dispirited, mistrustful base that hates the leaders who now share the blame with Obama, rather than having the focus exclusively on him where it belongs. Other than that, it's aces.
Posted by: pep at February 06, 2014 10:27 AM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at February 06, 2014 10:28 AM (0HooB)
Posted by: garrett at February 06, 2014 10:28 AM (V2YFE)
Posted by: tasker at February 06, 2014 10:28 AM (RJMhd)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at February 06, 2014 10:28 AM (2hTlI)
Yea, that worked out well in Europe. Moslems brought in to prop up social welfare immediately went on welfare themselves, shoot up cops, rape non-moslem women, and have nightly car-be-ques.
Posted by: Kristophr at February 06, 2014 10:29 AM (c6N69)
No, they are exempt. Which makes them even more appealing to employers.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, think mink. at February 06, 2014 10:30 AM (kXoT0)
Exempt, or eligible for subsidies.
Posted by: pep at February 06, 2014 10:30 AM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 06, 2014 02:19 PM (ZPrif)
Let me show you some numbers:
5,832,401
4,508,474
2,783,175
889,788
576,221
In our system that top number wins because they have the most votes. And guess WHAT? That top number also wins in Canada because they have the most votes. That top number was the number of votes the conservatives got in 2011 in Canada. That is nearly 40% of the total votes cast.
In 1992 the US election had:
44,909,806
39,104,550
19,743,821
Top number percentage 43%. That was what got Bill Clinton the rapist into office.
Posted by: NWConservative at February 06, 2014 10:30 AM (buZ/8)
Posted by: tasker at February 06, 2014 10:32 AM (RJMhd)
Libertarian notions about education, and tweaking social rules to curb socialist majorities still don't work.
Posted by: Kristophr at February 06, 2014 10:32 AM (c6N69)
Posted by: Vic at February 06, 2014 02:26 PM (T2V/1)
Right. Most states outside of the south do it by plurality vote. As does most of Canada. I personally like the runoff system because it allows third parties to run without being spoilers (too often).
Posted by: NWConservative at February 06, 2014 10:32 AM (buZ/8)
Posted by: JackStraw at February 06, 2014 10:33 AM (g1DWB)
Posted by: garrett at February 06, 2014 10:34 AM (V2YFE)
As it is illegal for hospitals and schools to ask if they are illegal, I cannot figure what they will add to our country. No taxes. Cash only, part of which helps the national gross of Mexico limp along (the money they wire back is #2 behind oil in Mexico).
They already have free healthcare in Florida, from free clinics to hospital bills that are never paid. They have free education in public schools, which, in turn, lowers testing scores and standards (as we also pay for interpreters, as, God forbid, they learn English at home). Then they sit in jail, getting three square meals, a dry bed, tv, and weight lifting, which I pay for.
If the penalty of Obamacare cannot be enforced, as, duh, whatever, they did not read the bill...the how in hell can they make 11 million or so pay taxes when they have had it all for free?
If, IF, the black population who blindly vote Dem, and/or the working poor, or hipsters like that surfer dude using his food stamps in California for lobster rolls, were made to understand that amnesty will lessen their freebies, well, they might not be so eager to vote (D) in the next election for pro-amnesty heroes.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Duchess of Something at February 06, 2014 10:35 AM (baL2B)
Posted by: tasker at February 06, 2014 10:35 AM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Timon at February 06, 2014 10:36 AM (kAniV)
Posted by: tasker at February 06, 2014 10:36 AM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Manager's Special on Republican-brand Perfidy! at February 06, 2014 02:27 PM (hLRSq)
Not in the actual elections. Our government is very different from them yes. They have a house of rep like we do and their head of state is similar to our speaker (John Boehner with presidential powers, ugh). They have a senate to rep the canadian "states" with little to no power to influence anything. And a figurehead unifying the country under the crown (governor general).
But their legislative elections are exactly like our elections for the house of reps here.
Posted by: NWConservative at February 06, 2014 10:37 AM (buZ/8)
I've never understood that quote, and I like Friedman a lot. He was the last of his kind.
How do you get the wrong person, say a Progressive/NWO/Dimocrat Congresscritter who thinks we shouldn't have borders, to do the right thing? Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit
What Friedman means is politicians are always going to do what is in their best self-interest, even if it means going against their ideological beliefs.
The last time Amnesty failed, there were actually many Democrat Senators that pulled the rip cord, even ones in comfortable blue states were scared because of what their constituents were saying.
Rubio is a good example, he got his head handed to him and now he's suddenly a border hawk. He probably threw away his chance to be President.
Boehner folded because he didn't want to lose his Speakership.
You're never going to elect "pure of heart" politicians, the only way to get them to do the "right" thing is make sure the right incentives are there.
Posted by: McAdams at February 06, 2014 10:38 AM (3QYTt)
This has always been a Dem tactic. Before they could cobble together a governing coalition between the socialists and minorities, blacks were the target of the animus. Across the country, not just the south, the Dems would openly appeal the baser instincts and promise to keep the blacks "in their place" and away from our jerbs.
The Democrat party was the political wing of the Klan.
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at February 06, 2014 10:38 AM (P/gm7)
They may currently have two dominate parties, but they don't have a two party system.
Point is- their Conservative Party could split into separate parties with little consequence, as the resulting coalition would still have the majority.
Not so here in our winner take all two-party system.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 06, 2014 10:41 AM (SY2Kh)
That would be one huge er, vista.
Posted by: tasker at February 06, 2014 01:26 PM (RJMhd)
What if they were to open it to homesteading?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 06, 2014 10:41 AM (pFqpP)
Posted by: panzernashorn at February 06, 2014 10:42 AM (MhA4j)
This happens more often in local races but the same pattern holds for higher office. Watch California Central / San Joaquin valley town election results. Within 10-15 years this trend will dominate coastal districts as well.
Posted by: 13times at February 06, 2014 10:43 AM (fGPLK)
Posted by: panzernashorn at February 06, 2014 10:45 AM (MhA4j)
California, Canada effectively does have a two party system in the
civilized parts of the country.
They may currently have two dominate parties, but they don't have a two party system.
Point is- their Conservative Party could split into separate parties with little consequence, as the resulting coalition would still have the majority.
Not so here in our winner take all two-party system.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 06, 2014 02:41 PM (SY2Kh)
THEY DO have a winner take all system in Canada. They call it first pass the post (plurality winner = winner). We have the same system for most house districts here (unless you are in a runoff state).
Where in the constitution of ours states that it is a two party system? Just perusing through article one, not seeing anything on establishing a two party system. . .
Posted by: NWConservative at February 06, 2014 10:50 AM (buZ/8)
Posted by: Vic[/i] at February 06, 2014 11:01 AM (T2V/1)
Posted by: whoever at February 06, 2014 11:04 AM (kGSN0)
Posted by: Vic at February 06, 2014 03:01 PM (T2V/1)
Yep. But they were exemplary. Unfortunately many people are not and some are downright idiotic. See Hank Johnson re: Guam.
Posted by: NWConservative at February 06, 2014 11:07 AM (buZ/8)
A blackout was avoided thanks to quick-thinking utility workers, who rerouted power around the site and asked power plants in Silicon Valley to produce more electricity. But the substation was knocked out for a month.
Posted by: NT at February 06, 2014 02:13 PM (e8kgV)
How can it be "terrorism" if nobody was terrorized? I'm not being silly here. The object of true "terrorism" is to commit acts of mayhem, that usually involve killing or maiming large numbers of innocents, in order to force political change.
This was an instance of sabotage, not terrorism. Certainly may have been politically motivated, but it's not terrorism.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 06, 2014 11:16 AM (pFqpP)
Posted by: westie at February 06, 2014 11:56 AM (3YBFV)
Posted by: Chilling the most at February 06, 2014 01:32 PM (gxtMZ)
Oh wait - someone DID. That was me. Just as I did in 2011 when the same "Boehner is going to betray us on amnesty" scare came up. And 2012. And 2013.
Don't worry. Next year when you idiots are freaking out again, I'll be here to tell you again. Maybe you will have learned something, and listen then.
But I doubt it.
Posted by: Adjoran at February 06, 2014 01:56 PM (QIQ6j)
Posted by: Chris Balsz at February 06, 2014 02:05 PM (5xmd7)
send the GOP nominee into battle in 2016 without arming him with some
sort of amnesty to show Latino voters."
Posted by: joncelli
I simply canÂ’t believe party leaders are so stupid as to give the dems a new voting block that votes dem 2 to 1.
Posted by: ATTILA727 at February 06, 2014 02:12 PM (J+cfY)
I'm just hoping the leadership has gotten thousands of those kinds of letters.
And by gum, great if it penetrated the thick caucus skulls... not about not wanting it but at least making them aware that they are on track to have a good election year and amnesty is like throwing the ball in the air to have Dems intercept and return for a touchdown.
Amnesty is bad policy and worse politics. You cannot and will not get the right kind of 'deal' with Obama, so just make it fixes to legal immigration,maybe a LIMITED guest worker program thrown in for the employers, border security, e-verify, entry / exit enforcement ... and THATS IT.
Oh, and this thinking doesnt expire this November, it expires WHEN OBAMA LEAVES OFFICE and we actually have a secure border (ie 'never' really, they'll never get it right).
Posted by: Obama Lied Jobs Died at February 06, 2014 04:26 PM (oNqbW)
No, we need a Cuban Ted Cruz.
Oh ... wait.
Posted by: Obama Lied Jobs Died at February 06, 2014 04:33 PM (oNqbW)
"Welfare reform didn't happen. It was a fraud. An accounting gimmick. It was just moved to disability."
Not true. Welfare reform DID happen. But what also happened was our lawless President and hsi stimulus bill undid Welfare Reform.
Posted by: Obama Lied Jobs Died at February 06, 2014 04:34 PM (oNqbW)
"If buzzfeed is to be believed then there are GOP congressman who believe that the opponents of amnesty are racist."
Buzzfeed is racist.
Posted by: Obama Lied Jobs Died at February 06, 2014 04:34 PM (oNqbW)
Ted Cruz will win the nomination and beat Hillary by 4 points to win the Presidency.
Never underestimate the Canadians.
Posted by: Obama Lied Jobs Died at February 06, 2014 05:28 PM (oNqbW)
Posted by: Chris Balsz at February 07, 2014 10:31 AM (5xmd7)
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And, of course, the base will just have to suck it up.
Posted by: joncelli at February 06, 2014 08:51 AM (RD7QR)