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April 04, 2014

Digging Out From Under the Rubble of Obama's Catastrophic "Success"
— Ace

Peggy Noonan's column is worth reading in full.

Support it or not, you cannot look at ObamaCare and call it anything but a huge, historic mess. It is also utterly unique in the annals of American lawmaking and government administration.
Its biggest proponent in Congress, the Democratic speaker of the House, literally saidÂ—blithely, mindlessly, but in a way forthcominglyÂ—that we have to pass the bill to find out what's in it. It is a clichÃ© to note this. But really, Nancy Pelosi's statement was a historic admission that she was fighting hard for something she herself didn't understand, but she had every confidence regulators and bureaucratic interpreters would tell her in time what she'd done. This is how we make laws now.
Her comments alarmed congressional Republicans but inspired Democrats, who for the next three years would carry on like blithering idiots making believe they'd read the bill and understood its implications. They were later taken aback by complaints from their constituents.
The White House, on the other hand, seems to have understood what the bill would do, and lied in a way so specific it showed they knew exactly what to spin and how. "If you like your health-care plan, you can keep your health-care plan, period." "If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor, period." That of course was the president, misrepresenting the facts of his signature legislative effort. That was historic, too. If you liked your doctor, your plan, your network, your coverage, your deductible you could not keep it. Your existing policy had to pass muster with the administration, which would fight to the death to ensure that 60-year-old women have pediatric dental coverage.
The leaders of our government have not felt, throughout the process, that they had any responsibility to be honest and forthcoming about the major aspects of the program, from its exact nature to its exact cost. We are not being told the cost of anythingÂ—all those ads, all the consultants and computer work, even the cost of the essential program itself.

Ben Domenech is skeptical that Obamacare's managing to sign up 7 million people (for some definitions of "sign up") when it was originally projected to sign up (as in "really sign up") double that is somehow a major success.

Have you heard? Obamacare survived! It got to that magic number it was looking for to make everything right!
Or rather, it got to half the number the Congressional Budget Office predicted it would get to after the Supreme Court ruling.
Either way, itÂ’s totally okay now and is absolutely going to survive and be the law of the land forever and ever despite anything those nasty opponents of the law tell you.
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This is why talk of the 7 million figure as salvation from supporters of the law is completely bonkers: all you did was meet your lowered policy expectations.

By failing so catastrophically early, their recent failure is, by comparison, a relative success.

So here is what Obama and his supporters now call a "success:"

Obama asked for a primetime network shot to announce his Big Victory, and the red diaper babies of the networks actually refused him.

I'm not sure if this is just about the bottom line, or if the networks (and especially their news divisions) are feeling a bit used for repeatedly bending over for Obama whenever he sexts them a booty call, but otherwise treating them like the Town Pumps they are.

And maybe they've noticed that Obama's people always claim to only know the numbers they're interested in promoting, while claiming to have no idea about the ones that might not be so attractive.

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1 Fresh thread smell

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at April 04, 2014 11:44 AM (ojnk6)

2 top five!

Posted by: mallfly at April 04, 2014 11:44 AM (bJm7W)

inspired Democrats, who for the next three years would carry on like blithering idiots making believe they'd read the bill and understood its implications.

Saw this earlier. Peggy brought it like a Viking today.

(And yes, I'm the guy who always defends Peggy. She is teh awesome).

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at April 04, 2014 11:45 AM (JtwS4)

4 You voted for it, Peggy-Poo. Choke on it. And fuck you.

Posted by: Citizen X at April 04, 2014 11:45 AM (7ObY1)

5 Peggy Noonan's column is worth reading in full.
The internet is broken. Must be that JavaScript crap.

Posted by: fluffy at April 04, 2014 11:45 AM (Ua6T/)

6 And how many of the newly insured are on Medicaid?

Yeah, Peggy can suck it.

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at April 04, 2014 11:46 AM (yE8uc)

7 Sir, we are shills, not pumps.

Posted by: CNN at April 04, 2014 11:47 AM (8ZskC)

8 by the way, you are allowed to crow and spike the golf ball when you always meant to create a mess.

Posted by: mallfly at April 04, 2014 11:47 AM (bJm7W)

9 Nothing against you, Ace, but I am so weary of this old broad. She's full of shit. Peggy Noonan is a verbal masturbator.

Posted by: Soothsayer, corn bread assassin at April 04, 2014 11:48 AM (VlefE)

10 To be fair to the networks, Pravda also refused to announce the the grain harvests in the Ukraine were superspectacular under Stalin.

Posted by: zombie at April 04, 2014 11:48 AM (mizYg)

11 The new Obamacare metric of success will be "abortions saved or created."

Posted by: Barky O'Genius at April 04, 2014 11:48 AM (8ZskC)

12 Obama asked for a primetime network shot to announce his Big Victory, and the red diaper babies of the networks actually refused him. --- I think this was smart. When Obamacare talks about Obamacare, its popularity goes down. Having a prime time address just gives Ted Cruz and the GOP a night to talk bad about Obamacare.

Posted by: SH at April 04, 2014 11:49 AM (gmeXX)

13 Everybody that had a hand in passing this law should be horsewhipped.

Posted by: Harry at April 04, 2014 11:49 AM (ao2LR)

14 I don't remember Noonan voting for Obama? i know she wasn't as intuitive as she should have been in his ideology, but vote for this?

Posted by: willow at April 04, 2014 11:49 AM (nqBYe)

15 >>>the red diaper babies of the networks actually refused him. I'm not sure if this is just about the bottom line ISWYDT

Posted by: Caliban at April 04, 2014 11:50 AM (DrC22)

16 I'd take Peggy more seriously if she hadn't slobbered on Obama's knob in 2008. Bitch....

Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at April 04, 2014 11:51 AM (bCEmE)

17 This is rich. Here's Noonan-come-lately doing what she does best, saying I Told You So long after the fact. Where was Peggy Noonan in 2009 when WE were saying, with remarkable accuracy, why obamacare would be a disaster? Here's Peggy Noonan not really complaining about obamacare itself, but the failure of its administration. Fuck you, Peggy Noonan.

Posted by: Soothsayer, corn bread assassin at April 04, 2014 11:51 AM (VlefE)

18 You seriously think they would ever get sick of being the town pump? Not a chance-they seem to be bothered more if someone else is getting banged and they are being ignored. Hence, no questions on the numbers and where they come/came from.

Posted by: ejo at April 04, 2014 11:51 AM (GXvSO)

19 "repeatedly bending over for Obama whenever he sexts them a booty call, but otherwise treating them like the Town Pumps they are." Quite an image there, Ace. Accurate, but one I probably didn't need in my brain. ;^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 04, 2014 11:51 AM (XyM/Y)

20 Eat a greasy turd, Peggy. You're as much to blame for this as anyone.

Posted by: Soona at April 04, 2014 11:51 AM (QFEAP)

21 They don't know the number of new Medicaid enrollees other from what I've seen today. They're saying 3 million, but all states haven't reported, and even those that have only reported through Feb. And they're touting it as a success. Never mind that it's going to bust budgets at the state and national level. (IIRC, it's 6k/year average spent on a Medicaid patient. Let's cut that in half to assume they're below average, unlikely, but still. Right there, $9bil/year that has to come from somewhere and we're not done yet.) I'll say it again: Mandate "officially" waived by fiat. Subsidy clawback waived in 2015.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 04, 2014 11:51 AM (HDwDg)

22 Peggy Noonan can go have a Naked Twister sleep over party at the White House with BamBam, Moo-chelle, Helen Thomas & Shrillery

i'll read another of her articles on or about the 12th of never.

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 04, 2014 11:52 AM (q+fqH)

23 The libs are conducting an all-out propaganda war over Obamacare. I've never seen anything like it in my lifetime.

Posted by: Caliban at April 04, 2014 11:52 AM (DrC22)

24 "Support it or not, you cannot look at ObamaCare and call it anything but a huge, historic mess. It is also utterly unique in the annals of American lawmaking and government administration."

Ahem!

Posted by: Social Security at April 04, 2014 11:52 AM (pjMym)

25 Noonan's wrong. Obamacare isn't a complete disaster. It allowed a bunch of college educated white women 5 years of joy while they called half the country, "Racist!" And it only cost them the right to take their children to the best pediatrician they could afford. For shitty moms, that is a GREAT deal.

Posted by: Oschisms at April 04, 2014 11:52 AM (y9dfJ)

26 And maybe they've noticed that Obama's people always claim to only know the numbers they're interested in promoting, while claiming to have no idea about the ones that might not be so attractive. So, how many years does it take to notice this? It is clear that if this Administration claims it doesn't know something, then that thing is "not helpful" to them. If it goes in their plus column, they can provide it to very exacting detail. And they don't even pretend like it would ever be any other way. This is part of the reason that the GOP in control of the House is useless. First of all, they don't know how to do the theater of a Congressional hearing. But mostly, when they get someone from the administration up there and actually ask a tough question, the administration official simply lies and says they have no idea.

Posted by: blaster at April 04, 2014 11:52 AM (4+AaH)

27 That prime time ball spiking won't make mfm any money but they'll never turn on their boyfriend.

Posted by: YIKES! at April 04, 2014 11:53 AM (mETGQ)

28 Peggy Noonan sucks zombie donkey dick.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at April 04, 2014 11:53 AM (Q8vlx)

I don't remember Noonan voting for Obama?

First time. She fell for the hopey change. She's been brilliant on a lot of stuff ever since, but the Horde is not forgiving of apostasy.

Try reading this piece with your thumb over her name and reading it as just words that appeared in a forest, unconnected to any actual human. The words are good words.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at April 04, 2014 11:53 AM (JtwS4)

30 Lemme guess, Nooner says exactly nothing that hasn't already been said by the Horde.

Posted by: Waterhouse at April 04, 2014 11:53 AM (fOLwM)

31 13 Everybody that had a hand in passing this law should be horsewhipped. Where's Preston Brooks when we need him?

Posted by: Citizen X at April 04, 2014 11:53 AM (7ObY1)

32 I see that HHS decided to "help" people enroll in Obamacare as the deadline approached, by beginning their applications for them without their knowledge or request. Were these applications counted in that 7 million figure?

Posted by: grammie winger at April 04, 2014 11:54 AM (oMKp3)

33 All of their numbers are lies from day one, pure propaganda.

Posted by: commentorior at April 04, 2014 11:54 AM (4iRqk)

34
"He has within him the possibility to change the direction and tone of American foreign policy, which need changing; his rise will serve as a practical rebuke to the past five years, which need rebuking; his victory would provide a fresh start in a nation in which a fresh start would come as a national relief.

He climbed steep stairs, born off the continent with no father to guide, a dreamy, abandoning mother, mixed race, no connections. He rose with guts and gifts.

He is steady, calm, and, in terms of the execution of his political ascent, still the primary and almost only area in which his executive abilities can be discerned, he shows good judgment in terms of whom to hire and consult, what steps to take and moves to make."

Oh, not that Peggy Noonan column.....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 04, 2014 11:55 AM (kdS6q)

35 I have Noonan categorically filed along with Walter Russell Mead and various others of the punditocracy who talk endlessly about the horrible failings of the Obama presidency _after having voted for_ Chicago Mocha Jesus.

I really have no time or patience for such people any longer. What is due is a hugely embarrassed public recantation and self-denouncement. Not further comment or analysis.

Leave those to people who got it right originally, and who had correctly figured Obama for a dangerous choice. Such as, for example, this blog's proprietor.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 04, 2014 11:55 AM (noWW6)

36 But really, Nancy Pelosi's statement was a historic admission that she was fighting hard for something she herself didn't understand, but... Obamacare was less about actual healthcare and more about gaining control over people's lives. In that context, Pelosi understood all she needed to, and the actual awful details that hadn't yet materialized were of no importance or relevance whatsoever.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at April 04, 2014 11:55 AM (vd7A8)

37 32 I see that HHS decided to "help" people enroll in Obamacare as the deadline approached, by beginning their applications for them without their knowledge or request. Were these applications counted in that 7 million figure? Yes, they were.

Posted by: Citizen X at April 04, 2014 11:55 AM (7ObY1)

38 The wit and wisdom of Peggy Noonan: "He has within him the possibility to change the direction and tone of American foreign policy, which need changing; his rise will serve as a practical rebuke to the past five years, which need rebuking; his victory would provide a fresh start in a nation in which a fresh start would come as a national relief. He climbed steep stairs, born off the continent with no father to guide, a dreamy, abandoning mother, mixed race, no connections. He rose with guts and gifts. He is steady, calm, and, in terms of the execution of his political ascent, still the primary and almost only area in which his executive abilities can be discerned, he shows good judgment in terms of whom to hire and consult, what steps to take and moves to make."

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 04, 2014 11:55 AM (8ZskC)

39 Ya think Peggy? Don't take this the wrong way, but Phukc Peggy Noonan. Just another intellectual who wasn't very intellectual at all when it came to Teh Historic First.

Posted by: dogfish at April 04, 2014 11:55 AM (nsOJa)

40 See, them Dems, when they hold hearings, they actually show up. (I don't know how many times I have read about House Republicans not coming to their important hearings.) Then they ask something to get a reaction soundbite that will play on the news over and over and over. Now, it helps that they have the news in their corner to play along with the outrage of the day game, but you have to have something to work with. Getting an admin official saying " I don't know what you are talking about" is not outrage worthy.

Posted by: blaster at April 04, 2014 11:55 AM (4+AaH)

41 I'm waiting for the SCOTUS to rule on whether the law which refers to subsidies for "states" really meant for "states and federal government" -- sorry if I'm wording that poorly, boss is ten feet away.

Posted by: mallfly at April 04, 2014 11:56 AM (bJm7W)

42 "Support it or not, you cannot look at ObamaCare and call it anything but
a huge, historic mess. It is also utterly unique in the annals of
American lawmaking and government administration."

Ahem!

Posted by: 1965 Immigration Reform at April 04, 2014 11:56 AM (pjMym)

43 I'm not sure if this is just about the bottom line, or if the networks (and especially their news divisions) are feeling a bit used for repeatedly bending over for Obama whenever he sexts them a booty call

Po.E.Try.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit (or Beth for short) [/u][/i][/s][/b] at April 04, 2014 11:56 AM (4df7R)

44 What? Government run by the faculty lounge is not working? Say it ain't so Meggie....

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Unrepetant Skandi at April 04, 2014 11:56 AM (32Ze2)

The bulletins from the Imperial Japanese General Staff in 1944 were more grounded in reality than the statements from the Obama Administration on the success of ObamaCare.

I'm think the way to attack it is to go after it piece-meal. A little bit here, do something that is popular to "fix" a problem, but the fix will actually hasten ObamaCare's end. It will be much easier to do this with the election coming up and it will make opposition to these "fixes" seem irrational and expose the "mend it, don't end it" mantra as a lie.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Days of Rage Sale at the Outrage Outlet! at April 04, 2014 11:56 AM (hLRSq)

46 Oh, not that Peggy Noonan column..... Every time I read Peggy's slobbering love letter to her Obamessiah, it makes me want to hurl. Blow chunks. Spew. Chunder. Technicolor yawn.

Posted by: Citizen X at April 04, 2014 11:57 AM (7ObY1)

47 Wasn't the original number of paid sign ups was suppose to be around 30 million?

Posted by: YIKES! at April 04, 2014 11:57 AM (mETGQ)

48 Mallfly!!

Posted by: The Boss at April 04, 2014 11:57 AM (nsOJa)

49 When's the next long weekend ? When pisspoor stats come out to play .

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at April 04, 2014 11:57 AM (XWw96)

50 I wonder if we can start calling Obamacare "Obamasurance" instead. Because as we all know, healthcare's got nothing to do with it.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit (or Beth for short) [/u][/i][/s][/b] at April 04, 2014 11:57 AM (4df7R)

51 Where was Peggy Noonan in 2009 when WE were saying, with remarkable accuracy, why obamacare would be a disaster? ----- Can we not let her back in the fold? She is fighting the fight now. Is that not good enough? Sure it should make us suspect her in the future, but not on this.

Posted by: SH at April 04, 2014 11:57 AM (gmeXX)

Never mind that it's going to bust budgets at the state and national level. (IIRC, it's 6k/year average spent on a Medicaid patient. Let's cut that in half to assume they're below average, unlikely, but still. Right there, $9bil/year that has to come from somewhere and we're not done yet.)

The Department of Health and Human Services has a proposed FY2015 budget of just a hair over $1 trillion. Roughly 85% of that will be Medicare and Medicaid, so about $850 billion.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 04, 2014 11:58 AM (DrWcr)

53 Drive the porcelain bus. Sell Buicks.

Posted by: Yak at April 04, 2014 11:58 AM (nsOJa)

54
Can we not let her back in the fold?
Posted by: SH

No.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 04, 2014 11:58 AM (kdS6q)

55 Drive the porcelain bus. Sell Buicks.

Posted by: Yak at April 04, 2014 03:58 PM (nsOJa)

Talk to Raaaaaaalph.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 04, 2014 11:59 AM (DrWcr)

56 Obamatrol is more like it. This has nothing to do with health and EVERYTHING to do with control. Everything.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Unrepetant Skandi at April 04, 2014 11:59 AM (32Ze2)

57 37 32 I see that HHS decided to "help" people enroll in Obamacare as the deadline approached, by beginning their applications for them without their knowledge or request. Were these applications counted in that 7 million figure? Yes, they were. Posted by: Citizen X at April 04, 2014 03:55 PM (7ObY1) So basically they just looked at the number of applications they had, figured out how many they were short, and just "helped people out" by filling out applications for those who had never requested it. Bingo. 7 million.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 04, 2014 11:59 AM (oMKp3)

58 koff delegationdoctrinemotherfuckerdoyouspeakit koff

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 04, 2014 11:59 AM (mf5HN)

59 If Peggy wants redemption she should go after Hussein's college transcripts and admission records. Then we'll talk.

Posted by: wth at April 04, 2014 11:59 AM (wAQA5)

60 but the Horde is not forgiving of ~~apostasy~~ abject, gob-smacking, nation-altering stupidity. Fixed.

Posted by: Waterhouse at April 04, 2014 11:59 AM (fOLwM)

61 Can we not let her back in the fold? Posted by: SH No. ---- Oky doky.

Posted by: SH at April 04, 2014 12:00 PM (gmeXX)

62 This is the biggest scam ever perpetrated on a people. This once great nation is being controlled by snake oil salesman..

I had my perfect insurance canceled by the fascists at covered california, then I had to buy it all over again from the all new "Blue Shield" quote unquote. Blue shield actually doesn't exist anymore in Obamas fascist America.

Ive got an ongoing problem that requires bi monthly injections.. I cannot miss them. I never had a problem before. - But now, with fascistcare, they have been sending my DR and myself so much paperwork about it that they still haven't approved one injection since I sent in my first payment mid december. I will lose my job if this continues.. and if i'm having problems then I know a whole lotta others are having the same.

This is absolute tyranny and I am embarrassed for my country. Its been taken over by a usurper without a fight. The LIVs, guilt-ridden public educated whites, and hipsters voted for this asshole because it was a down payment for guilt relief... for 400 years of oppression and thought crimes.. or something. HURRAY!! AMERICA!!!!

Posted by: Bob Mionix at April 04, 2014 12:00 PM (TcDKW)

63 Meanwhile, everyone who is having _such_ a rollicking good time in the strong, bold, confident Obama "economic recovery" now have this to look forward to:

A few of the less timid economists out there are starting to suggest it's time to play the old "That's All Folks!" cartoon music. That the expansion of the current global economic cycle is as strong now as it is ever going to get and that it's all downhill from this point for jobs and growth.

Awwwww, darn it. Just when things were getting really good, huh?

http://preview.tinyurl.com/n2hcxx6

Posted by: torquewrench at April 04, 2014 12:00 PM (noWW6)

64 We'll just print more money to cover the cost.

Posted by: Janet Yellen at April 04, 2014 12:00 PM (mETGQ)

65 Can we not let her back in the fold? She is fighting the fight now. Is that not good enough? Sure it should make us suspect her in the future, but not on this. Posted by: SH at April 04, 2014 03:57 PM (gmeXX) I am sick to death of these beltway pundits that only want to be part of the in crowd. She made this bed in 2008...she can suck it. She should have worried more about the character of Obama in '08 and not what cocktail parties her endorsement would get her. So, I don't give a shit what she has to say NOW!

Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at April 04, 2014 12:00 PM (bCEmE)

66 First time. She fell for the hopey change. She's been brilliant on a lot of stuff ever since, but the Horde is not forgiving of apostasy. As the Diceman would say....... "You suck one dick and your branded for life."

Posted by: eleven at April 04, 2014 12:01 PM (GXZgZ)

67 Posted by: Insomniac at April 04, 2014 03:58 PM (DrWcr Shockingly accoding to Wikipedia that'd be a total budget increase, but a CMS budget decrease. Considering though HHS also houses the CDC, NIH, and FDA, you can see how screwed science and actual public health are in the future.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 04, 2014 12:01 PM (HDwDg)

68 BTW - the media rejecting his primetime request. Obama is no longer the wave of the future. They'll protect him, sure, but that's about it.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Days of Rage Sale at the Outrage Outlet! at April 04, 2014 12:01 PM (hLRSq)

69 The verbal masturbatrix is no friend of ours. What do you think Peggy Noonan will write the day after hillary clinton wins in 2016? Yeah, exactly.

Posted by: Soothsayer, corn bread assassin at April 04, 2014 12:01 PM (VlefE)

70 We'll repeal it -- after you send us money. Now blow me.

Posted by: Typical Republican Whore at April 04, 2014 12:01 PM (Cs2tJ)

71 This is why talk of the 7 million figure as salvation from supporters of the law is completely bonkers: all you did was meet your lowered policy expectations.

It's like the people I work with    preening about     meeting their performance indicator goals every year.   Most of the time they DON'T reach their goals, but they come within the minimum threshold, meaning they didn't reach their goal 100%, but they got within 90%.

MWR (or Beth, if you will): Well we didn't hit our goal here. so we should think about    how to fix that.

COWORKER: What do you mean we didn't hit our goal. Sure we did!

MWR: No, we reached 92% of our goal.   That's different than reaching our goal.

COWORKER: The 90% threshold IS our goal. As long as we make that we're fine.

MWR: No, the 90% threshold is the minimum we can make without incurring a penalty.   We should be trying to reach the   ACTUAL goal, not settling for barely scraping by.

COWORKER:   *looks confused*   But we MET our goal.

MWR:   *beats head against desk*

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit (or Beth for short) [/u][/i][/s][/b] at April 04, 2014 12:01 PM (4df7R)

72 I am sick to death of these beltway pundits that only want to be part of the in crowd. She made this bed in 2008...she can suck it. She should have worried more about the character of Obama in '08 and not what cocktail parties her endorsement would get her. So, I don't give a shit what she has to say NOW! ---- I think there is value in people admitting when they were wrong and then trying to expose certain things.

Posted by: SH at April 04, 2014 12:02 PM (gmeXX)

73 MWR: *beats head against desk* Your head or the cow-orker's?

Posted by: Waterhouse at April 04, 2014 12:02 PM (fOLwM)

74 Can we not let her back in the fold? She is fighting the fight now. Is that not good enough? Sure it should make us suspect her in the future, but not on this.

Posted by: SH at April 04, 2014 03:57 PM (gmeXX)

I respect Peggy Noonan's analysis. I do not respect her decision-making. I will read what she writes and consider it, but I will not take her advice on a damn thing.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit (or Beth for short) [/u][/i][/s][/b] at April 04, 2014 12:03 PM (4df7R)

>>>The bulletins from the Imperial Japanese General Staff in 1944 were more grounded in reality than the statements from the Obama Administration on the success of ObamaCare.

THAT'S IT!!1!

All we need to do is *nuke* one of their cities! Then they'll fall in line just like the Japs did. They'll just smile and nod, take photos of things, and sell us cars and shit.

ZOMG why didn't I think of this before?

Posted by: Bigby's Hitchin' Thumb at April 04, 2014 12:03 PM (3ZtZW)

The fact that she is capable of this sort of analytical thought, makes her support of Barky in 2008 even more offensive.

Posted by: wheatie at April 04, 2014 12:03 PM (FWbLS)

77 Peggy Noonan is a washed up old hag.

Posted by: Paul A'Barge at April 04, 2014 12:03 PM (ellBz)

78 Obamacare didn't and won't reduce the number of uninsured. It didn't and won't reduce the cost of health care. It didn't and won't do much of anything. Except one thing: Raise taxes. And not just actual taxes. The increase in premiums is an increase in taxes as well. The makers are paying more taxes(premiums) so the takers can get more free shit. That's all O-Care is...a $2T tax hike on the upper middle class and evil rich (mainly white) people.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 04, 2014 12:03 PM (0LHZx)

79 Obamatrol is more like it. This has nothing to do with health and EVERYTHING to do with control. Everything.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Unrepetant Skandi at April 04, 2014 03:59 PM (32Ze2)

I LIKE that. And Obama IS a troll. The ultimate troll. So it's a doubly-useful term.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit (or Beth for short) [/u][/i][/s][/b] at April 04, 2014 12:03 PM (4df7R)

80 Noonan doesn't admit she's wrong; she pretends she's never said it! She's full of shit. She gets paid to write columns.

Posted by: Soothsayer, corn bread assassin at April 04, 2014 12:03 PM (VlefE)

81 With apologies to Shelley

I met a refugee from a fallen land
Who said: "Vast is the destruction
that is caused by the hubris of Man
Half shattered and half sparking
And still they say that it will function"

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 04, 2014 12:04 PM (I6YUj)

82 I can guarantee I'm counted twice in Obama's 7M #. I registered with healthcare.gov, but the insurer that offered me the plan I wanted told me the only way they could guarantee I could keep my current doctor was if I signed up directly with them. I wasn't eligible for any subsidy anyway, so I did. I'm getting daily emails from Obamacare telling me I can still sign up. So I can guarantee I'm double counted. So Obama killed my insurance once and counted my twice as getting "new" insurance. (New insurance that is 2x as expensive as my old one and with inferior specialist care. But I did manage to keep my old doctor. I think. I won't know for sure until after May 1 when I try to use my new insurance.)

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 04, 2014 12:04 PM (ZPrif)

83 I'm think the way to attack it is to go after it piece-meal. A little bit here, do something that is popular to "fix" a problem, but the fix will actually hasten ObamaCare's end. It will be much easier to do this with the election coming up and it will make opposition to these "fixes" seem irrational and expose the "mend it, don't end it" mantra as a lie.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Days of Rage Sale at the Outrage Outlet! at April 04, 2014 03:56 PM (hLRSq)

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So who's going to do this? Boehner? McConnell? Reid?

You want to speak of reality. Then let's speak of reality.

Posted by: Soona at April 04, 2014 12:04 PM (QFEAP)

84 I am beginning to think this Hitler fellow is up to no good.....

Posted by: Neville Chamberlain at April 04, 2014 12:04 PM (32Ze2)

85 Anybody know the origins of the "But first you will blow me" meme? Sounds like something a Bond villain would say, if the Bond films had gay sadist villains and were X-rated. So that can't be it. But whence for real?

Posted by: zombie at April 04, 2014 12:04 PM (mizYg)

86 I think there is value in people admitting when they were wrong and then trying to expose certain things. Posted by: SH at April 04, 2014 04:02 PM (gmeXX) I do too. But I don't think she's ever admitted that. She just glosses over to the next thing. And not until the winds started to shift. She is a follower of trends.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 04, 2014 12:04 PM (oMKp3)

87 obamacare is nothing but overpriced medicaid.
And to create this overpriced medicaid, the dems have ruined the heath care system in America, destroyed Private health insurance, and created the largest tax hike in American History. And that is only for starters

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 04, 2014 12:05 PM (op9Rd)

88 you can see how screwed science and actual public health are in the future.

Millions for bullying fat kids, not one penny for eradicating plague rats.

Posted by: HR at April 04, 2014 12:05 PM (ZKzrr)

89 (And yes, I'm the guy who always defends Peggy. She is teh awesome). Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at April 04, 2014 03:45 PM (JtwS4) Oh she of the "Obama is a Genius and Palin is a fool" mindset has burned her bridge as far as i'm concerned. There is not a fucking thing that she writes which wasn't a known quantity regarding Barry back when she was voting for him. Fuck her and the horse she road in on. Yeah, she's writing now. Now that it won't do a fucking bit of good. Now that there is nothing we can do about this shit head she helped to inflict on the nation. There is no amount of salve sufficient to undo the damage she has done.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 04, 2014 12:05 PM (bb5+k)

90 It didn't and won't do much of anything. Except one thing: Raise taxes. And not just actual taxes. The increase in premiums is an increase in taxes as well. The makers are paying more taxes(premiums) so the takers can get more free shit. That's all O-Care is...a $2T tax hike on the upper middle class and evil rich (mainly white) people. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 04, 2014 04:03 PM (0LHZx) ---- Well... What'd I fuckin say ? ? ? ?

Posted by: Justice John Roberts at April 04, 2014 12:05 PM (nELVU)

91 Does anybody know, in real numbers, how many Americans had a full time job in January 2009 and how many today?

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 04, 2014 12:05 PM (XUKZU)

92 I think there is value in people admitting when they were wrong and then trying to expose certain things. Posted by: SH at April 04, 2014 04:02 PM (gmeXX) I must have missed Peggy Noonan's apology for her abject stupidity and complete lack of judgment on the very thing that she's supposed to have some degree of wisdom about. Linky?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 04, 2014 12:05 PM (8ZskC)

93 Wow, this is a tough crowd! Perhaps you all would like a chance to rub elbows with your betters for an evening?

Posted by: Anna Wintour at April 04, 2014 12:05 PM (l3vZN)

94 MWR: *beats head against desk*

Your head or the cow-orker's?

Posted by: Waterhouse at April 04, 2014 04:02 PM (fOLwM)

Why quibble? Both.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit (or Beth for short) [/u][/i][/s][/b] at April 04, 2014 12:05 PM (4df7R)

95 "Sell Buicks."

Speaking of selling Buicks, or not selling them, anyone else notice that auto dealer lot inventories are getting absolutely out of control again?

Government Motors in particular are just cranking out product like crazy, but the product is not moving off the lots.

I was out and about recently in a part of the SF Bay Area I haven't been to at street level in a while. There's a big old multiplex theater, with the typical enormous parking lot, next to an auto dealership.

Well, the theater is now closed, and the huge parking apron has now apparently been taken over by the car dealership for overflow inventory, and they have ten metric fucktons of said inventory just sitting there.

And this is in a comparatively economically vibrant region of the country!

So yeah, when I hear economists musing about how this business cycle has topped out, the plain proofs of everyday life are backing it up as well.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 04, 2014 12:05 PM (noWW6)

96 84 Anybody know the origins of the "But first you will blow me" meme? Sounds like something a Bond villain would say, if the Bond films had gay sadist villains and were X-rated. So that can't be it. But whence for real? Posted by: zombie at April 04, 2014 04:04 PM (mizYg) Mel Gibson, I believe, to a traffic cop he referred to as "Sugar Tits." IIRC.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 04, 2014 12:05 PM (CMkNk)

Anybody know the origins of the "But first you will blow me" meme?

Mel Gibson, drunken rant at ex. At least he didn't call her a joo.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at April 04, 2014 12:06 PM (JtwS4)

98 I respect Peggy Noonan's analysis. I do not respect her decision-making. I will read what she writes and consider it, but I will not take her advice on a damn thing. --- That is reasonable and fair. While it may be better to wish her away, she does have a platform. So long as she is using that platform to advance what I wished advance, I'm ok with it. I'll reserve my bitching for when she supports Hillary (if she does). Until then, she is welcome in the fight against Obamacare.

Posted by: SH at April 04, 2014 12:06 PM (gmeXX)

59 If Peggy wants redemption she should go after Hussein's college transcripts and admission records. Then we'll talk.

Posted by: wth at April 04, 2014 03:59 PM (wAQA5)

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This.

It would be a good start.

There is a lot about his mysterious past that should be investigated.

Posted by: wheatie at April 04, 2014 12:06 PM (FWbLS)

100 Anybody know the origins of the "But first you will blow me" meme?

Sounds like something a Bond villain would say, if the Bond films had gay sadist villains and were X-rated. So that can't be it. But whence for real?

Posted by: zombie at April 04, 2014 04:04 PM (mizYg)

Mel Gibson. He said it over the phone to his then-girlfriend during an alcohol-fueled rager.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit (or Beth for short) [/u][/i][/s][/b] at April 04, 2014 12:06 PM (4df7R)

101 Zombie -- It's from a Mel Gibson epic rage-out.

Posted by: eleven at April 04, 2014 12:06 PM (VhqUZ)

102 Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 04, 2014 04:03 PM (0LHZx) Balderdash, it also got somewhere between 3 and 10 million more people on the federal teat. And once you do that it's hard to shut off that spigot.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 04, 2014 12:07 PM (HDwDg)

103 Uh oh sounds like MWR is dealing with a burning fire of gross incompetence on a Friday afternoon.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 04, 2014 12:07 PM (I6YUj)

104 The Blow Me meme originated with a fight between Mel Gibson and his ex-wife, IIRC

Posted by: Bigby's Hitchin' Thumb at April 04, 2014 12:07 PM (3ZtZW)

105 Mel Gibson, I believe, to a traffic cop he referred to as "Sugar Tits." IIRC.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 04, 2014 04:05 PM (CMkNk)

I thought he said that to his ex wife, the second ex-wife I mean?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 04, 2014 12:07 PM (op9Rd)

106 zombie , Mel Gibson meltdown .

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at April 04, 2014 12:07 PM (XWw96)

107 Again, Peggy Noonan isn't against obamacare so much as she's lamenting its administration.

Posted by: Soothsayer, corn bread assassin at April 04, 2014 12:07 PM (VlefE)

108 When Peggy Noonan gets the transcripts as well as the Rashid Khalidi tape, then maybeÂ… after a long period of probationÂ…

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 04, 2014 12:07 PM (CMkNk)

109 I think there is value in people admitting when they were wrong and then trying to expose certain things. Posted by: SH at April 04, 2014 04:02 PM (gmeXX) Maybe she should have been a little more discerning before 1/6 of the economy was turned on its head and people like post #62 are left fearing for their life and lively hood. She goes with whatever flow she perceives to be popular....

Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at April 04, 2014 12:07 PM (bCEmE)

110 Try reading this piece with your thumb over her name and reading it as just words that appeared in a forest, unconnected to any actual human. The words are good words. Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at April 04, 2014 03:53 PM (JtwS4) And this is true, but they would have been WORTHWHILE words had she said them or some like them BACK IN 2008 When it would have possibly helped. Now what does she expect these words to do? We are all in on the shitbrain she supported. She can't say enough mea culpas to absolve herself. Her and Colin Powell just need to get a room.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 04, 2014 12:07 PM (bb5+k)

111 At best,the country is in for many years of digging out from under all of Obama's " successes".

Posted by: steevy at April 04, 2014 12:07 PM (zqvg6)

112 Obamacare has already killed more Americans than his drone program.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at April 04, 2014 12:07 PM (DL2i+)

113 Posted by: torquewrench at April 04, 2014 04:05 PM (noWW6) So what your saying is, if I ever find a job, car prices should be plummeting soon.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 04, 2014 12:07 PM (HDwDg)

114 "Peggy Noonan sucks zombie donkey dick." Wuzzat now?

Posted by: Zombie Francis the talking Mule at April 04, 2014 12:08 PM (QLbhS)

115 Nanny Pelousy was just on the top of the hour news talking about the job numbers. She blamed Bush. She is not even the dumbest bint up on the hill. We are well and truly fucked.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 04, 2014 12:08 PM (32Ze2)

116 Can we not let her back in the fold? She is fighting the fight now. Is that not good enough? Sure it should make us suspect her in the future, but not on this.

Posted by: SH at April 04, 2014 03:57 PM (gmeXX)

Absolutely not. If you aren't the Horde Way 100% you are useless. We will not take in converts or anyone else has come to the light. We will be select and keep ourselves to managable yet politically ineffective numbers.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Days of Rage Sale at the Outrage Outlet! at April 04, 2014 12:08 PM (hLRSq)

117 Anybody know the origins of the "But first you will blow me" meme? Sounds like something a Bond villain would say, if the Bond films had gay sadist villains and were X-rated. So that can't be it. But whence for real? - Your friend and mine, Mel Gibson, was having marital and divorce problems when his significant other recorded him in a rage uttering these memorable words and released it to the public to get an edge in the divorce fight. Divorce is a wonderful thing.

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 04, 2014 12:08 PM (XUKZU)

118 Access to healthcare is a right! People should be FIRED if they oppose Obamacare!

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 04, 2014 12:08 PM (u5ozF)

119 I was going to explain the "but first you will blow me" meme, but in true Horde fashion about twenty people beat me to it.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Othered at April 04, 2014 12:08 PM (RwwCT)

120 Good column though she couldn't get through it without a stupid analogy to the war in Iraq.

Posted by: rrpjr at April 04, 2014 12:08 PM (s/yC1)

121 111 Obamacare has already killed more Americans than his drone program. Posted by: DaveA at April 04, 2014 04:07 PM (DL2i+) He's trying to outdo Hitler, Stalin and Mao. With 310 million of us, he's got an outside shot at it.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 04, 2014 12:08 PM (CMkNk)

122 71 SH at April 04, 2014 04:02 PM (gmeXX) I'm sorry you have a link to Piggy Noonly admitting she is a fucking retard for having sucked Obama's dick? I must have missed it.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 04, 2014 12:09 PM (TE35l)

123 There is a lot of Othering in this post. And burn the heretic! But she recanted! Still burn her!

*thud*

Back to writing.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 04, 2014 12:09 PM (I6YUj)

124 "Peggy Noonan sucks zombie donkey dick." Wuzzat now? Posted by: Zombie Francis the talking Mule This we have to see!

Posted by: Zombie Ma and Pa Kettle at April 04, 2014 12:09 PM (l3vZN)

125

Posted by: Zombie Francis the talking Mule at April 04, 2014

Settle down, Francis

Posted by: Bigby's Hitchin' Thumb at April 04, 2014 12:09 PM (3ZtZW)

126 I was going to explain the "but first you will blow me" meme, but in true Horde fashion about twenty people beat me to it.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Othered at April 04, 2014 04:08 PM (RwwCT)

And now you will blow us all

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 04, 2014 12:09 PM (op9Rd)

127 Obamatrol is more like it. This has nothing to do with health and EVERYTHING to do with control. Everything.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Unrepetant Skandi at April 04, 2014 03:59 PM (32Ze2)

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Yup. And everyone who voted for it knew it. And even though Boehner and McConnell didn't vote for it doesn't mean they aren't on that bandwagon too.

Posted by: Soona at April 04, 2014 12:09 PM (QFEAP)

128 Ahh, Mel Gibson. I should have suspected as much. Thx everyone.

Posted by: zombie at April 04, 2014 12:10 PM (mizYg)

129 That is reasonable and fair. While it may be better to wish her away, she does have a platform. So long as she is using that platform to advance what I wished advance, I'm ok with it. I'll reserve my bitching for when she supports Hillary (if she does). Until then, she is welcome in the fight against Obamacare.

Posted by: SH at April 04, 2014 04:06 PM (gmeXX)

Exactly. Like I've said previously, I will support anybody saying things that I believe to be true and valuable. If Juan McLame got up on the senate floor and started calling Hairy Reed a g-ddamned liar and a hateful little puke, I would absolutely cheer him on. But that doesn't mean I have to listen to everything he says, or agree with him, and CERTAINLY not respect him.

I don't believe Peggy Noonan has ever said, "I was wrong," about her Obamagasms, and I'm almost certain she'll vote for Hillary if it comes to that. Until she redeems herself for those transgressions she is nothing but a useful voice for eloquently stating certain things, not an oracle to whom conservatives or Republicans should turn for guidance.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit (or Beth for short) [/u][/i][/s][/b] at April 04, 2014 12:10 PM (4df7R)

130 114 Nanny Pelousy was just on the top of the hour news talking about the job numbers. She blamed Bush. She is not even the dumbest bint up on the hill. We are well and truly fucked. Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 04, 2014 04:08 PM (32Ze2) When tragically, a large number of drooling douchebags nod their head in agreement with her, then she ain't all that stupid. Evil yes, but not stupid. Not until the FSA wakes up and has a come to Jesus moment en masse.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 04, 2014 12:10 PM (CMkNk)

131 In the MSM isn't Peggy Noonan seen as center-right? Does she have influence with the indies? How about Democrats? My mother loves her writing, and my Mom is a former Democrat, but will this column resonate? I sure as hell hope so.

Posted by: MTF at April 04, 2014 12:10 PM (F58x4)

132 115 Mikey NTH - Days of Rage Sale at the Outrage Outlet! at April 04, 2014 04:08 PM (hLRSq) She helped KPow destroy Palin and basically throw the momentum we were gaining in 2008.... this is not a "well the socons should shut up and be #3 on the to do list not #2" This is "he is as dreamy as peak Fabio but more dusky hued"

Posted by: sven10077 at April 04, 2014 12:10 PM (TE35l)

133

What if she has topless photos from back in the day and shares the link with Hordeistan?

http://bit.ly/1guKl0j

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at April 04, 2014 12:11 PM (JtwS4)

134 He's trying to outdo Hitler, Stalin and Mao. With 310 million of us, he's got an outside shot at it.

430 million...remember, he's signing up Mexicans who haven't even moved up here yet.

Posted by: HR at April 04, 2014 12:11 PM (ZKzrr)

135 "Oh she of the 'Obama is a Genius and Palin is a fool' mindset has burned her bridge as far as i'm concerned. There is not a fucking thing that she writes which wasn't a known quantity regarding Barry back when she was voting for him. Fuck her and the horse she road in on."

Yep. Noonan was just absolutely horrified by that awful ignorant backward bigoted illiterate snowbilly bitch Sarah Palin.

Did you know she _hunts animals_? She does! With a _gun_? A big one too! And then after she kills those animals, she... _cooks them and feeds them to her children_?

How impossibly declasse! One cannot think about it without having to move to one's fainting couch, clutching one's pearls. There to think calming comforting thoughts about impeccable trouser creases, instead.

Meanwhile, in the real world, the awful ignorant backward bigoted illiterate snowbilly bitch turns out to have been absolutely correct about pretty much everything. Including the Obamacare fiasco which Noonan is decrying today.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 04, 2014 12:11 PM (noWW6)

136 I really have no time or patience for such people any longer. What is due is a hugely embarrassed public recantation and self-denouncement. Not further comment or analysis. Leave those to people who got it right originally, and who had correctly figured Obama for a dangerous choice. Such as, for example, this blog's proprietor. Posted by: torquewrench at April 04, 2014 03:55 PM (noWW6) Yes, that would be a good start. Beg the nation's forgiveness for being so badly deceived and thereafter helping to deceive others. Don't mince words. Point out that Obama is the most evil, vapid fool the nation has ever seen in high office, and then get nastier from there.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 04, 2014 12:11 PM (bb5+k)

137 Thanks for the recs on ammo purchasing. I'm going to get comfortable shooting, then get a CCP.

Posted by: nnptcrgad at April 04, 2014 12:11 PM (Opyrm)

138 It looks cold and miserable at Wrigley Field. I'm glad I'm at home in my cozy jamjams in front of a fire with a nice drink. Life is good, despite Obama and his lefty minions.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 04, 2014 12:11 PM (oMKp3)

139 This is the biggest scam ever perpetrated on a people. - I think that global warming has it beat.

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 04, 2014 12:12 PM (XUKZU)

140 Ahh, Mel Gibson. I should have suspected as much. Thx everyone. Don't google it. You don't want to know. Just remember Mad Max and all the good stuff.

Posted by: eleven at April 04, 2014 12:12 PM (GXZgZ)

141 Where's Preston Brooks when we need him?

Fuck that homicidal slaver maniac.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at April 04, 2014 12:12 PM (DL2i+)

142 Posted by: WalrusRex at April 04, 2014 04:08 PM (XUKZU) We had one of those "everybody whispering" divorces years back in our neighborhood when I was just starting college. I am to understand both parents tried to introduce evidence the other was an alcoholic. I don't think it worked very well

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 04, 2014 12:12 PM (HDwDg)

143 I was going to explain the "but first you will blow me" meme, but in true Horde fashion about twenty people beat me to it.

And everyone missed a golden opportunity.

"I will explain it, but first..."

Posted by: Blanco Basura at April 04, 2014 12:12 PM (0AKks)

144 Holy shit, does everyone just read and believe what their hearts desire? No where does Peggy Noonan come out and say she's against government health care. She.Just.Says.How.She.Hates.How.obama.And.The.Democrats.Did.It.

Posted by: Soothsayer, corn bread assassin at April 04, 2014 12:12 PM (VlefE)

145 There is no amount of salve sufficient to undo the damage she has done. Posted by: D-Lamp at April 04, 2014 04:05 PM (bb5+k) I agree with this, it's not brave or hard to jump in after other people have put their balls out there already.

Posted by: spypeach at April 04, 2014 12:12 PM (10H0T)

146 Obamacare! yay!

I've got an insurance card! yay!

If I actually need treatment though? "well, if you could just fill out these forms and wait 60 business days for a decision on your cancer treatment"

So much better than my 'bad apple' insurance I had before. Doctors could actually do things and they would get paid. We don't want that. No sir. Now it all exists to keep the bureaucracy going. Makes me so ill and sad I don't believe its actually happening

Posted by: Bob Mionix at April 04, 2014 12:12 PM (TcDKW)

147 I don't believe Peggy Noonan has ever said, "I was wrong," about her Obamagasms, and I'm almost certain she'll vote for Hillary if it comes to that. Until she redeems herself for those transgressions she is nothing but a useful voice for eloquently stating certain things, not an oracle to whom conservatives or Republicans should turn for guidance. ---- I certainly don't think these pundits need to be respected. I'm with Drew, they are all basically pawns. In general, so long as they are advancing my preferred position, great.

Posted by: SH at April 04, 2014 12:13 PM (gmeXX)

148 106 Soothsayer, corn bread assassin at April 04, 2014 04:07 PM (VlefE) Don't let the fact that Peg is simply shocked, shocked the artist took a few Liberties with their drawing of Barack Fabio Obama on her nightstand diddle bait page turner get in the way of total absolution for her stupidity comrade

Posted by: sven10077 at April 04, 2014 12:13 PM (TE35l)

149 And what makes thi9s shit even worse is that a large percentage of those "new signups" were done at local prisons and jails in cost shifting by the States to the feds.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at April 04, 2014 12:14 PM (T2V/1)

150 "Peggy Noonan sucks zombie donkey dick." Wuzzat now? Posted by: Zombie Francis the talking Mule This we have to see! - Cost you ten pesos at Tijuana Treasure Trove and Pleasure Palace.

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 04, 2014 12:14 PM (XUKZU)

151 Posted by: Bob Mionix at April 04, 2014 04:12 PM (TcDKW) But 18 year old girls are getting their pills covered, so it was all worth it wasn't it?

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 04, 2014 12:14 PM (HDwDg)

152 we all knew this, before hand Peggy Noonan can kiss my ass

Posted by: thunderb at April 04, 2014 12:14 PM (zOTsN)

153 Please, someone point out just one sentence in Noonan's waxy prose where she even mentions conservatism as an alternative to all this obama shit.

Posted by: Soothsayer, corn bread assassin at April 04, 2014 12:14 PM (VlefE)

154 Leave those to people who got it right originally, and who had correctly figured Obama for a dangerous choice. Such as, for example, this blog's proprietor. ---- And yet this blog's proprietor said it is a column worth reading.

Posted by: SH at April 04, 2014 12:15 PM (gmeXX)

155 And what makes thi9s shit even worse is that a large percentage of those "new signups" were done at local prisons and jails in cost shifting by the States to the feds.

Posted by: Vic at April 04, 2014 04:14 PM (T2V/1)

And before we forget... MEXICO!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit (or Beth for short) [/u][/i][/s][/b] at April 04, 2014 12:15 PM (4df7R)

156 There is a lot of Othering in this post. And burn the heretic! But she recanted! Still burn her!

*thud*

Back to writing.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 04, 2014 04:09 PM (I6YUj)

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It's war. Othering is permitted.

Posted by: Soona at April 04, 2014 12:15 PM (QFEAP)

157 Meanwhile, in the real world, the awful ignorant backward bigoted illiterate snowbilly bitch turns out to have been absolutely correct about pretty much everything. Including the Obamacare fiasco which Noonan is decrying today. Posted by: torquewrench at April 04, 2014 04:11 PM (noWW6) And that's what absolutely galls me. Palin was fucking genius compared to the idiot duo we have in office now. (and history has demonstrated this as well.) What the glitterati can't stand is that Palin didn't attend all the High and mighty Universities, and didn't hang out with the Proper Society set. That she was far more accomplished and far more competent than Idiot-man was simply lost on these shallow people.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 04, 2014 12:15 PM (bb5+k)

158 "I don't remember Noonan voting for Obama? i know she wasn't as intuitive as she should have been in his ideology, but vote for this?"
================

See, I don't know if she actually pulled the lever for him. I vaguely recall that right before election day she wrote a column with a half-hearted, last minute endorsement of McCain.

But it hardly matters. She spent the entire campaign season, from the GOP convention to the moment of that final column (if I haven't imagined it) doing two things: (1) snickering about Sarah Palin on MSNBC; and (2) slobbering over Obama as if she were Christopher Buckley herself.

Posted by: Kensington (@NYKensington) at April 04, 2014 12:15 PM (/AHDz)

159 ....with their drawing of Barack Fabio Obama on her nightstand diddle bait page turner get in the way of total absolution for her stupidity comrade. ------ ***frantically searches for the Mad Norwegian Decoder Ring......

Posted by: fixerupper at April 04, 2014 12:15 PM (nELVU)

160 So basically they just looked at the number of applications they had, figured out how many they were short, and just "helped people out" by filling out applications for those who had never requested it. Bingo. 7 million.
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Hey, no one complains when we do it with ballots at election time.

Posted by: The Democrats at April 04, 2014 12:15 PM (78TbK)

161 I see most here are of my opinion that Noonan is mighty late to the reality party. She and Krauthammer started out elbowing each other for a chance to masticate Zero's man meat.

Posted by: maddogg at April 04, 2014 12:15 PM (xWW96)

162 she has not recanted she is disappointed he wasn't better at administering it

Posted by: thunderb at April 04, 2014 12:16 PM (zOTsN)

163 Please, someone point out just one sentence in Noonan's waxy prose where she even mentions conservatism as an alternative to all this obama shit.

Posted by: Soothsayer, corn bread assassin at April 04, 2014 04:14 PM (VlefE)

Right now I'm less concerned with her talking about an alternative and more concerned with her calling it for the shitburger of a failure that it is. I don't trust Noonan to understand a conservative alternative anyway, so why would I want her advocating one?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit (or Beth for short) [/u][/i][/s][/b] at April 04, 2014 12:16 PM (4df7R)

164 Posted by: Vic at April 04, 2014 04:14 PM (T2V/1) FFS. Ok I get it, prisoners get healthcare because 6th amendment or whatever. I doubt we're rolling that back. But FFS, when you expand Medicaid, how about specifically excluding prisoners. (Why would you though, since the feds foot the bill I Guess.)

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 04, 2014 12:16 PM (HDwDg)

165 President Bush has more self control than I would in this situation. If Pelosi was blaming me six years after I left office, I would probably be on the T.V. defending myself and taking a shot at Obama's policies. I am glad I am not the President.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 04, 2014 12:16 PM (XyM/Y)

166 "Nanny Pelousy was just on the top of the hour news talking about the job numbers. She blamed Bush."

Fact of the day: more American voters than not AGREE WITH HER ON THIS. Still. More than five years after Bush departed the White House.

Remember the old caution the hotshot pilots shared with one another from the movie _The Right Stuff_: "Don't screw the pooch."

One-time jet pilot Bush screwed the pooch. An epochal financial wipeout happened on his watch. Making the Bush brand enormously toxic in the public mind., and also badly damaging the brand of the party under whose banner he stood.

Now the party establishment braintrust are talking about running yet another Bush. Since the first two Bushes were such amazing successes. And with the sour taste still on the public's palate from the last one of the two. Utter brilliance right there.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 04, 2014 12:16 PM (noWW6)

167 This is the biggest scam ever perpetrated on a people. - I think that global warming has it beat. Not yet. You can believe GW or not. Still. You have to pay one way or another with 404Care.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 04, 2014 12:16 PM (lwkv9)

168 And even though Boehner and McConnell didn't vote for it doesn't mean they aren't on that bandwagon too.

Posted by: Soona at April 04, 2014 04:09 PM (QFEAP)

So, if I vote against something, if my entire caucus votes against something that means we are secretly supporters of that something? But if we vote for something that also means we are vocal supporters of that something?

Heads we win tails you lose, in other words?

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Days of Rage Sale at the Outrage Outlet! at April 04, 2014 12:17 PM (hLRSq)

169 158 fixerupper at April 04, 2014 04:15 PM (nELVU) I'm saying she masturbates to Dreams of Mah Red Daddeh! by Fabio Obama She bought into the artists' rendering of Ogabe not the real Jug Eared fucking retard we had outed him as.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 04, 2014 12:17 PM (TE35l)

170 But 18 year old girls are getting their pills covered, so it was all worth it wasn't it?
___
Hell yeah, right lil Bill?

Posted by: Bill Clinton at April 04, 2014 12:17 PM (78TbK)

171 And I imagine Noonan still believes that, as much of a catastrophe as Obama has been, having Sarah Palin as McCain's second banana would have been a bigger catastrophe.

Posted by: Kensington (@NYKensington) at April 04, 2014 12:17 PM (/AHDz)

172 We had one of those "everybody whispering" divorces years back in our neighborhood when I was just starting college. I am to understand both parents tried to introduce evidence the other was an alcoholic. I don't think it worked very well - An attorney friend of mine stopped doing divorce work and took up criminal law instead on the grounds that with divorce work your clients are good people on their worst behavior while with criminal work your clients are bad people on their best behavior and bad people on their best behavior are a lot easier to work with than good people on their worst behavior.

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 04, 2014 12:17 PM (XUKZU)

173 Noonan is sad that obama isn't living up to his potential. #hellomcfly

Posted by: Soothsayer, corn bread assassin at April 04, 2014 12:18 PM (VlefE)

174 "all you did was meet your lowered policy expectations..." Correction- all they did was CLAIM they met their lowered policy expectations. Does anyone with half a working neuron actually believe these horseshite numbers? Pffffft. 7.1 million signed up. Yeah, and soetero can play basketball too.

Posted by: Buster McDissenter at April 04, 2014 12:18 PM (QLbhS)

175 Meanwhile, in the real world, the awful ignorant backward bigoted illiterate snowbilly bitch turns out to have been absolutely correct about pretty much everything. Including the Obamacare fiasco which Noonan is decrying today.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 04, 2014 04:11 PM (noWW6)

This is because Palin is prettier than Noonan, and that made Noonan jealous.

No, I'm dead serious. The jealousy of someone pretty and talented and engaging being picked out of seeming obscurity to run for VP made Noonan's blood BOIL.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit (or Beth for short) [/u][/i][/s][/b] at April 04, 2014 12:18 PM (4df7R)

176 The conservative alternative to Obamacare is to let the sick poor people die. Swearsies, a conservative friend of mine confided this to me.

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at April 04, 2014 12:18 PM (8ZskC)

177 The adverbs and adjectives alone make this piece outstanding, really. I can't help but envision myself asking her to Talk To The Hand. Somebody is slowly being de-lobotomized. Continue the leech bleeding, please.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 04, 2014 12:18 PM (IXrOn)

178 78 Obamatrol is more like it. This has nothing to do with health and EVERYTHING to do with control. Everything. Posted by: Truck Monkey, Unrepetant Skandi at April 04, 2014 03:59 PM (32Ze2) I LIKE that. And Obama IS a troll. The ultimate troll. So it's a doubly-useful term. Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit (or Beth for short) at April 04, 2014 04:03 PM (4df7R) And if we had a network, we could keep repeating "Obamatrol" till it became a commonplace word. Since we don't, it's not going to take root.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 04, 2014 12:18 PM (bb5+k)

179 165-because of Bush's spending, he destroyed any argument that the R's were the Party of Fiscal Restraint. Pointing out that Obama is worse doesn't make Bush good on the issue. That fat pig Rove and Bush destroyed the brand and the party.

Posted by: ejo at April 04, 2014 12:19 PM (GXvSO)

180

I'm done with Drunk Before Noonan. Anyone who was "of a certain age" when Ovomit came on the scene should've known better. And she had to get in on the Palin slamming as well to be one of the cool kids back in '08.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, there's an interesting little tidbit that popped up about that woman the Capitol Police shot in the back of the head last October for driving too close to the White Hut. Seems there's a connection to the First Grifters.

http://bit.ly/1fSZVn2

Posted by: RushBabe at April 04, 2014 12:19 PM (hrIP5)

181 The impartial CBO enrollment requirement for success has been increased from 14 million to 7.1 million quota!

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 04, 2014 12:19 PM (o3MSL)

182 Balderdash, it also got somewhere between 3 and 10 million more people on the federal teat. And once you do that it's hard to shut off that spigot. Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 04, 2014 04:07 PM (HDwDg) _____________ Those new Medicaid people would have found a way onto Medicaid eventually without O-Care. Chances are they were already on some other govt program. If you're "poor" enough for Medicaid you're also "poor" enough for SNAP, WIC, Section 8, etc. It's not like these people were self sufficient and then Obamacare made them dependent on govt. They were already dependent on govt for 80% of their existence, all O-Care did was up that to 100%.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 04, 2014 12:19 PM (0LHZx)

183 Hey now I'm sure the 7M covered figure is at least as accurate as the claimed 0% inflation and 7% unemployment ...

Posted by: 18-1 at April 04, 2014 12:20 PM (78TbK)

184 174 MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit (or Beth for short) at April 04, 2014 04:18 PM (4df7R) Pretty much....my sister in law a frumpy 40 something Kal-ee-fore-nee-ya "GOPer" hated Palin ruthlessly b/c "she has a degree worse than the one I almost finished and Alaska could fit in my yard" the GOP women have a subset who was mad as hell the first GOP wunderfrau didn't look like Helen Thomas and shrill like Hillary!

Posted by: sven10077 at April 04, 2014 12:20 PM (TE35l)

185

And if we had a network, we could keep repeating "Obamatrol" till it became a commonplace word. Since we don't, it's not going to take root.

Ye of little faith. Look what happened with "SCOAMF."

Posted by: RushBabe at April 04, 2014 12:20 PM (hrIP5)

186 Sounds like something a Bond villain would say, if the Bond films had gay sadist villains and were X-rated. So that can't be it. But whence for real? Posted by: zombie at April 04, 2014 04:04 PM (mizYg) Excellent column on how Liberals are motivated by racism. I wanted to congratulate you for that next time I saw you. This is it.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 04, 2014 12:20 PM (bb5+k)

187 So you're saying the only way to fix obamacare is Peggy Noonan in yoga pants?

Posted by: Navycopjoe at April 04, 2014 12:20 PM (SMP3h)

188 The Greater DC Metro Area should be walled off and declared the Washington Memorial Asylum for the Criminally Insane.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at April 04, 2014 12:20 PM (naUcP)

189

Posted by: sven10077 at April 04, 2014 04:10 PM (TE35l)

Because of 2008 we should not gather as many allies as we can in 2014. I understand.

I think it is futility, but I understand the emotional reaction to reject. I disagree though, and will take up an ally - and an articulate ally at that with a good soapbox and megaphone.*

*A column in the WSJ reaches more people and influences more people than the AoSHQ.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Days of Rage Sale at the Outrage Outlet! at April 04, 2014 12:21 PM (hLRSq)

190 Getting started with Opera browser. Getting it set up seems..., obtuse. Browser works fine, but getting toolbar in place, home page, have both eluded me...

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 04, 2014 12:21 PM (aDwsi)

191 I can't help but envision myself asking her to Talk To The Hand. I'd rather she look at the flowers......

Posted by: rickb223 at April 04, 2014 12:21 PM (lwkv9)

192 SH, one reason I'm not inclined to give Noonan much of my time at this point is that I'm convinced she'll still fall for the next shiny Democrat bauble to come along, and there's a track record to support that.

Posted by: Kensington (@NYKensington) at April 04, 2014 12:21 PM (/AHDz)

193 Nice to see Sven among us. I'm sure it is as nice a day in Columbia as it is here.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at April 04, 2014 12:21 PM (/djtm)

194

Anyone care to guess Peggy's cup size ?

The science is settled.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 04, 2014 12:21 PM (Cggva)

195 If Obama asked for a blow job, Noonan would be on her knees faster than Andi Sullivan.

Posted by: steevy at April 04, 2014 12:22 PM (zqvg6)

196 "...Drunk Before Noonan..."
===============

Heh.

Posted by: Kensington (@NYKensington) at April 04, 2014 12:22 PM (/AHDz)

197 Mel Gibson, I believe, to a traffic cop he referred to as "Sugar Tits." IIRC. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 04, 2014 04:05 PM (CMkNk) Nah, he said it to his wife during an acrimonious argument prior to their divorce.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 04, 2014 12:22 PM (bb5+k)

198 Getting started with Opera browser. Getting it set up seems..., obtuse. Browser works fine, but getting toolbar in place, home page, have both eluded me... Obtuse???

Posted by: Warden Opera at April 04, 2014 12:23 PM (VhqUZ)

199 The impartial CBO enrollment requirement for success has been increased from 14 million to 7.1 million quota! That's the same direction of increase as you'll see in your chocolate ration if you continue to publish your wrong-headed thinking in blog comments, citizen.

Posted by: Janet Napolitano at April 04, 2014 12:23 PM (8ZskC)

200 Pretty much....my sister in law a frumpy 40 something Kal-ee-fore-nee-ya "GOPer" hated Palin ruthlessly b/c "she has a degree worse than the one I almost finished and Alaska could fit in my yard" Someone needs a geography lesson.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 04, 2014 12:23 PM (lwkv9)

201
Peggy Nooner took great delight in honking O'Bama's love stick and denigrating the conservative nominee much to the delight of the Washington/New York cocktail crowd.

She stands no chance of rehabilitating her image with true conservatives, and will be forced to live her life knowing she sucked Obama's cock to the detriment of the republican party and its loyal followers.

Peg should be splayed like a fattened pig and roasted on the spit till well done, and served to her progressive admirers with a slice of crow pie with a dollop of Obama cream.

Posted by: Doctor Fish at April 04, 2014 12:23 PM (nQjHM)

202 So making a Creator Page on Liberty Island web-site. And the devil is in the details truly. As is showing in the EULA.

Should Liberty Island's promotion of your work lead to publication or licensing of the Work or a Derivative Work (Derivative Works include but are not limited to edited versions, abridged versions, excerpts, film treatments, screenplays or scripts, and character licenses) Liberty Island shall receive a 15% fee of all proceeds any such publication agreements or licenses.

So always read the fine print. Now seriously doubting how much I will put up on this site.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 04, 2014 12:23 PM (I6YUj)

203 188 Mikey NTH - Days of Rage Sale at the Outrage Outlet! at April 04, 2014 04:21 PM (hLRSq) Hey Mikey how many Donks crossed over and endorsed Mitt Romney in the Punditalympics bud? Yeah exactly b/c there is a COST to be paid for straying off the reservation there. We get no pound of flesh for the occasional ton of bullshit from our punditry. Peggy is a good scalp to have she is far past her use by date and not influential where we are weak.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 04, 2014 12:23 PM (TE35l)

204 In other news... I booked our hotel for the novamomeet) Yay, something to look forward too.

Posted by: spypeach at April 04, 2014 12:23 PM (10H0T)

205 All I said was that I thought Sarah Palin was kind of attractive. Jeez!

Posted by: Kathleen Parker's Husband at April 04, 2014 12:24 PM (/AHDz)

206 Those new Medicaid people would have found a way onto Medicaid eventually without O-Care.

Not necessarily. 1) SCOAMFcare provided for states to expand eligibility to people who make too much money to qualify previously and 2) The heathcare[sic].gov website was automatically signing up people for Medicaid when they wanted to purchase a (subsidized, yes, but not as much as Medicaid) policy.

Posted by: HR at April 04, 2014 12:24 PM (ZKzrr)

207 I too don't like Peggy. My love for the Constitution and the rights in which are esconced there goes without saying. Ocare is an abomination. I lost my insurance because of this and I was very very angry at the voters, congressmen, and anyone else that supported it. It gave me no choice but to go to that POS website and struggle through trying to find something that I might be able to afford. And to my surprise, I found the website a pleasure to cruise around in. Everything is there for me to make a clear decision for my healthcare needs. And the price? I was astonished on how cheap it was.

Posted by: Soona at April 04, 2014 12:24 PM (QFEAP)

208 I always wondered how last week, Sebelius testified she didn't know any fucking numbers, yet this week SCOAMF says he's got precisely 7.11346 million! Don't the MFM see this blatant shit? Nevermind, I know.

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at April 04, 2014 12:24 PM (9Bdcz)

209 SH, one reason I'm not inclined to give Noonan much of my time at this point is that I'm convinced she'll still fall for the next shiny Democrat bauble to come along, and there's a track record to support that. ----- She may, and I certainly understand the sentiment. But I am with Mikey and his comment at 188. She has a platform and is at least using that platform right now to show how bad Obamacare is. I don't want her (or anyone else) to advocate a solution.

Posted by: SH at April 04, 2014 12:24 PM (gmeXX)

210 Obamacare is not the hill to fight on

Posted by: Mitch McConnell at April 04, 2014 12:24 PM (kFxpe)

211 Anyone care to guess Peggy's cup size ? The science is settled. Posted by: ScoggDog at April 04, 2014 04:21 PM (Cggva) ------ Triple D's...... minimum

Posted by: fixerupper at April 04, 2014 12:24 PM (nELVU)

212 Alaska could fit in my yard" Someone needs a geography lesson. Posted by: rickb223 at April 04, 2014 04:23 PM (lwkv9) __________ I assume she meant population of Alaska

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 04, 2014 12:25 PM (0LHZx)

213 As Bill Whittle says: "you ain't seen nothing yet". Wait until the employer mandate kicks in conveniently after the elections. His number was between 30-60 million people droped from plans after employers finally say eff this nonsense. Which makes me wonder at what point did employee health care become the responsibility of the employer? Pitchforks, tar, feathers, then prison.

Posted by: dc at April 04, 2014 12:25 PM (nOLbs)

214 Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 04, 2014 04:19 PM (0LHZx) The other numbers included is everybody on a government subsidy for insurance.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 04, 2014 12:25 PM (HDwDg)

215 This is how we make laws now. Laws, like sausages, cease to inspire respect in proportion as we know how they are made. -- John Godfrey Saxe

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie © at April 04, 2014 12:25 PM (1hM1d)

216 Jerry Doyle has a favorite saying: Democrats and Republicans both love big government. The only difference is the Republicans think they can run it better. That's the kind of Republican Peggy Noonan is.

Posted by: Soothsayer, corn bread assassin at April 04, 2014 12:26 PM (VlefE)

217 211 Mr. Moo Moo at April 04, 2014 04:25 PM (0LHZx) correct you remind me a lot of her actually Mau Mau.... the Derp Republicans

Posted by: sven10077 at April 04, 2014 12:26 PM (TE35l)

218 Triple D's...... minimum

No way. B. If she adds socks.
http://is.gd/HDQpL3

Posted by: HR at April 04, 2014 12:26 PM (ZKzrr)

219 In other news... I booked our hotel for the novamomeet) Yay, something to look forward too. Posted by: spypeach at April 04, 2014 04:23 PM (10H0T) Will you regale us with tales of your daughter's latest exploits? We want the update.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/s][/u][/b] at April 04, 2014 12:26 PM (yz6yg)

220 Posted by: HR at April 04, 2014 04:24 PM (ZKzrr) I'm going to go ahead and say the subsidies qualify as "government teat" as well. While it's arguable they're more of a tax credit, for some people that tax credit will be more than their tax bill.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 04, 2014 12:27 PM (HDwDg)

221 122 There is a lot of Othering in this post. And burn the heretic! But she recanted! Still burn her! *thud* Back to writing. Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 04, 2014 04:09 PM (I6YUj) I didn't hear a recant. My recollection is she just started noticing that Barack Obama is exactly what most of us thought he was; A corrupt, talentless hack, who made rich white liberals feel good about themselves. She is trying to finesse the fact that she supported this horrible bastard, and she's criticizing him now that it's too damn late to do anything about it.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 04, 2014 12:27 PM (bb5+k)

222 Will you regale us with tales of your daughter's latest exploits? We want the update. Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2014 04:26 PM (yz6yg) Crap did I do that, I don't remember. I need to stop drink posting.

Posted by: spypeach at April 04, 2014 12:27 PM (10H0T)

223 Happy Friday all !!!!! Feel good story of the day. The mum-of-two had bought two packets of red grapes from Asda as part of her normal home shopping order. The day after the delivery she took one punnet to work to snack on before lunch, where she noticed the eight-legged addition to her elevenses. She said: Â“I was picking the grapes and thought these are a bit manky because some of them had little holes in them. Â“Then I picked up another one and it had white fluff on it. When I looked closely I thought, itÂ’s sticky. Â“I looked at the grapes to see where this white stuff had come from and realised it was a nest and a piece of web was on the grape. Â“Then as I pulled the grapes apart I could see something move.Â” She quickly squashed the spider and took a picture of the web and egg sac before sealing the packet and taking it to environmental health officers at Great Yarmouth Borough Council, who are now investigating. The spider is believed to have been a South African sac spider.

Posted by: RWC at April 04, 2014 12:27 PM (fWAjv)

224 Posted by: Soona at April 04, 2014 04:24 PM (QFEAP) I take it that was another entry in the "I am a lifelong Republican" fake Obamacare endorsement.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 04, 2014 12:28 PM (XyM/Y)

225 Hello, horde. I'm still alive and no longer aura tripping. Now just to survive the day with small children and a splitting headache. But hey, it looks like Obama and Co may have signed us up for Obamacare so there's that... I am part of the 7 million! Unwillingly.

Posted by: Lauren at April 04, 2014 12:28 PM (hFL/3)

226 Golfman in NC, thanks for the kind words... it is a nice day here for humans... Grim Scandi Raccoons not so much I prefer the gloom and rain.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 04, 2014 12:28 PM (TE35l)

227 Not necessarily. 1) SCOAMFcare provided for states to expand eligibility to people who make too much money to qualify previously and 2) The heathcare[sic].gov website was automatically signing up people for Medicaid when they wanted to purchase a (subsidized, yes, but not as much as Medicaid) policy. Posted by: HR at April 04, 2014 04:24 PM (ZKzrr) ________ I get what you're saying. I'm talking big picture, ...anyone enrolled in Medicaid today due to O-care would most likely have ended up on some type of welfare at some point in their lives. Or in other words, these were life-long Dems already.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 04, 2014 12:28 PM (0LHZx)

228 While it's arguable they're more of a tax credit, for some people that tax credit will be more than their tax bill.

Refundable? So they end up getting paid to sign up?

I may start cutting bitches.

Posted by: HR at April 04, 2014 12:28 PM (ZKzrr)

229 Crap did I do that, I don't remember. I need to stop drink posting. Posted by: spypeach at April 04, 2014 04:27 PM (10H0T) No hon, you did that in personÂ…last yearÂ….at NoVAMoMee 1.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/s][/u][/b] at April 04, 2014 12:28 PM (yz6yg)

230 I see that HHS decided to "help" people enroll in Obamacare as the deadline approached, by beginning their applications for them without their knowledge or request. Were these applications counted in that 7 million figure? Posted by: grammie winger at April 04, 2014 03:54 PM (oMKp3) ____________________ grammie: I suspect they constitute ab't 50% of the 7 million figure

Posted by: alwyr at April 04, 2014 12:29 PM (V0j3u)

231

206...And to my surprise, I found the website a pleasure to cruise around in. Everything is there for me to make a clear decision for my healthcare needs. And the price? I was astonished on how cheap it was.

Posted by: Soona at April 04, 2014 04:24 PM (QFEAP)

----------

This is a joke, right?

Or did someone put a Pod under your bed.

Posted by: wheatie at April 04, 2014 12:29 PM (FWbLS)

232 Wasn't it an ASDA store in England that also has spiders in the bananas?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 04, 2014 12:29 PM (XyM/Y)

233 She may, and I certainly understand the sentiment. But I am with Mikey and his comment at 188. She has a platform and is at least using that platform right now to show how bad Obamacare is. I don't want her (or anyone else) to advocate a solution.

Posted by: SH at April 04, 2014 04:24 PM (gmeXX)

I don't even look at her column as an indictment of Obammycare (because it's not, as has been stated) so much as an indictment of the process by which Obammycare was foisted on the masses and continues to be foisted on us every day as if we should be GRATEFUL for it.

I've no doubt Peggy would LOVE socialized medicine and just doesn't like how this particular law is being carried out. But I don't really care about that, and if she ever comes out and says so I'll be first in line to tell her to eat shit (as I've done in the past). But when it comes to talking about the PROCESS and its baseness and unconstitutionality? Yeah, she got it right.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit (or Beth for short) [/u][/i][/s][/b] at April 04, 2014 12:30 PM (4df7R)

234 Posted by: HR at April 04, 2014 04:28 PM (ZKzrr) They won't see any of the money themselves, but if my math was correct for some of the subsides at the lower income end of the spectrum, they'll be getting more in subsidies than they pay in taxes. Granted 47% of Americans don't even pay federal income tax, so it's probably even more than that.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 04, 2014 12:30 PM (HDwDg)

235 No hon, you did that in personÂ…last yearÂ….at NoVAMoMee 1. Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2014 04:28 PM (yz6yg) Well I'm a mom, what do you expect, but I still don't remember...I'll try not to talk about my kids this year, but I can't promise anything, it's been an interesting year to say the least. Hope I didn't bore you.

Posted by: spypeach at April 04, 2014 12:30 PM (10H0T)

236 ...anyone enrolled in Medicaid today due to O-care would most likely have ended up on some type of welfare at some point in their lives. Or in other words, these were life-long Dems already.

Yeah, makes sense. O's never signed anything that was some sort of kickback to people who got him his cool job.

Posted by: HR at April 04, 2014 12:30 PM (ZKzrr)

237 She's not being "othered," she's being criticized. No one is asserting there's something non-human about her, just supremely stupid.

Posted by: Kensington (@NYKensington) at April 04, 2014 12:30 PM (/AHDz)

238 An ~~epochal~~ largish, several times a century financial wipeout caused by Democrats and kept grinding along by TFG has been entirely bullshitted to Bush's fault among idiots.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at April 04, 2014 12:30 PM (DL2i+)

239 ""Support it or not, you cannot look at ObamaCare and call it anything but a huge, historic mess. It is also utterly unique in the annals of American lawmaking and government administration."" Uh, urp...bwaaaaaaaaaahp! Whuh ya say?

Posted by: The 18th Amendment, shaken not stirred at April 04, 2014 12:30 PM (QLbhS)

240 I take it that was another entry in the "I am a lifelong Republican" fake Obamacare endorsement.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 04, 2014 04:28 PM (XyM/Y)

----------------------------------------------

It's actually quite fun.

Posted by: Soona at April 04, 2014 12:30 PM (QFEAP)

241 The spider is believed to have been a South African sac spider. Posted by: RWC at April 04, 2014 04:27 PM (fWAjv) Face hugging sized?

Posted by: Temper Tantrum (now with chrome clone Iron) at April 04, 2014 12:31 PM (AWmfW)

242 Earworm from 1965: I'm in with the in crowd; I go where the in crowd goes. I'm in with the in crowd; And I know what the in crowd knows. Poor Noonan didn't have the intelligence or fortitude to go against the in crowd. Waste of a good writing talent.

Posted by: Mustbequantum at April 04, 2014 12:31 PM (MIKMs)

243 You voted for it, Peggy-Poo. Choke on it. And fuck you. Posted by: Citizen X at April 04, 2014 03:45 PM (7ObY1) This!

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at April 04, 2014 12:31 PM (R8hU8)

244

Oh uh O/T but maybe a hordesourcey thing

I know a person who was diagnosed with, guessing, stage 4 cancer but I'm not told what/where, maybe they mean everywhere. My mom who isn't wrapped too tight says the Dr. just offered painkillers and nothing else, but I'm kinda doubting that. Probably referred her out and gave her those for the meawhile, but I digress

They want to take her to the Cancer Ctrs of 'Merica joint thats always advertised everywhere and want to collect moneys and such for that. Which I'm not getting. Couldn't they send her MRs there, if she orders that? And doesn't CCofA accept insurance?

As I'm understanding it, the woman in question lives kinda rural and just got insurance for the first time in forever, went in and voila. Might that be playing a role?

Posted by: Bigby's Hitchin' Thumb at April 04, 2014 12:31 PM (3ZtZW)

245 Well I'm a mom, what do you expect, but I still don't remember...I'll try not to talk about my kids this year, but I can't promise anything, it's been an interesting year to say the least. Hope I didn't bore you. Posted by: spypeach at April 04, 2014 04:30 PM (10H0T) No, that was not snark, it was serious. We want the update.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/s][/u][/b] at April 04, 2014 12:31 PM (yz6yg)

246 Burke Badenhop striking out Jean Segura...fuck.

Posted by: HR at April 04, 2014 12:31 PM (ZKzrr)

247 And the price? I was astonished on how cheap it was. Posted by: Soona at April 04, 2014 04:24 PM (QFEAP) ________ Yes, it's cheap because for every one of you moocher types there are 10 like me who now pay 20% more to subsidize you. Go fuck yourself.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 04, 2014 12:31 PM (0LHZx)

248 Let Peggy back into the fold? I think those folks above who mention her slobbering over Obama and lack of penance have it right. Suck it, Peggy. Same with David Brooks and Christopher Buckley. Those two towering intellects did the same thing and to hell with them.

Posted by: ejo at April 04, 2014 12:31 PM (GXvSO)

249 But it hardly matters. She spent the entire campaign season, from the GOP convention to the moment of that final column (if I haven't imagined it) doing two things: (1) snickering about Sarah Palin on MSNBC; and (2) slobbering over Obama as if she were Christopher Buckley herself. Posted by: Kensington (@NYKensington) at April 04, 2014 04:15 PM (/AHDz) She may have swung a million votes with her performance. Mocking someone amplifies other voices doing the same.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 04, 2014 12:32 PM (bb5+k)

250 LOL... Yep, the Medicad enrollee numbers aren't a success. They're just what happens when you crater an economy and a shitload of people all of a sudden have no income - voila, automatic Medicaid. Sigh...

Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at April 04, 2014 12:32 PM (8yq6P)

251 It's war. Othering is permitted. Posted by: Soona at April 04, 2014 04:15 PM (QFEAP) It's damn near required.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 04, 2014 12:33 PM (bb5+k)

252 No, that was not snark, it was serious. We want the update. Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2014 04:31 PM (yz6yg) ok, just come talk to me after I've had two glasses of wine, I'll pretty much talk about anything. Not my best quality I must say.

Posted by: spypeach at April 04, 2014 12:33 PM (10H0T)

253 Yeah exactly b/c there is a COST to be paid for straying off the reservation there.

We get no pound of flesh for the occasional ton of bullshit from our punditry.

Peggy is a good scalp to have she is far past her use by date and not influential where we are weak.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 04, 2014 04:23 PM (TE35l)

We here are going to cost Peggy Noonan and the WSJ what exactly? Again, I disagree that she isn't influential. She reaches more people than this website does and influences more people, especially people who are not as ideological as the people here. She can put it into words that will get before them, words that can convince those people, the ones that need to be convinced if anything is to be done.

Ace is a good writer, but he does not have that reach.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Days of Rage Sale at the Outrage Outlet! at April 04, 2014 12:33 PM (hLRSq)

254 This thread's gettin punchy.

Posted by: Warden Opera at April 04, 2014 12:33 PM (GXZgZ)

255 Yeah, makes sense. O's never signed anything that was some sort of kickback to people who got him his cool ~~job~~ crib. Posted by: HR at April 04, 2014 04:30 PM (ZKzrr) FIFY. He never wanted the job, just the house. And maybe the resume entry.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/s][/u][/b] at April 04, 2014 12:33 PM (yz6yg)

256 The spider is believed to have been a South African sac spider.
Posted by: RWC at April 04, 2014 04:27 PM (fWAjv)

Face hugging sized?

Posted by: Temper Tantrum (now with chrome clone Iron) at April 04, 2014 04:31 PM (AWmfW)

First off, ARRRRRGH SPIDERS IN GRAPES ARRRGH NO.

And just what the hell is a "sac" spider? Huh? Does it look like a testicle?

And thirdly, I misread "Face hugging size" as "Face hugging SALAD," and immediately pictured this enormous spider leaping out of a nice tossed salad and glomping onto my face.

I have misread so many random comments today that I'm going to take it as evidence that it's time to go home now. lol! Don't break the blog while I'm commuting, y'all!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit (or Beth for short) [/u][/i][/s][/b] at April 04, 2014 12:33 PM (4df7R)

257 This is a joke, right?

Or did someone put a Pod under your bed.

Posted by: wheatie at April 04, 2014 04:29 PM (FWbLS)

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Geez. I can't remember when a meme has been forgotten so quickly with the horde.

Posted by: Soona at April 04, 2014 12:33 PM (QFEAP)

258 I'm not sure if this is just about the bottom line, or if the networks (and especially their news divisions) are feeling a bit used for repeatedly bending over for Obama whenever he sexts them a booty call, but otherwise treating them like the Town Pumps they are. All of the above. And, I suspect they are covering their @$$es if the whole thing goes south. But, mostly, the money. It's always about the money. They own Obama, not the other way around, so they can do what they want.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 04, 2014 12:33 PM (IXrOn)

259 ok, just come talk to me after I've had two glasses of wine, I'll pretty much talk about anything. Not my best quality I must say. Posted by: spypeach at April 04, 2014 04:33 PM (10H0T) You have many good qualities. That's one of them.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/s][/u][/b] at April 04, 2014 12:34 PM (yz6yg)

260 Ace - the horde has spoken, please no more links or references to Peggy's columns any more. Just to be safe, you better avoid Krauthammer.

Posted by: SH at April 04, 2014 12:34 PM (gmeXX)

261 Nood podcast.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 04, 2014 12:34 PM (HDwDg)

262 Now the party establishment braintrust are talking about running yet another Bush. Since the first two Bushes were such amazing successes. And with the sour taste still on the public's palate from the last one of the two. Utter brilliance right there. Posted by: torquewrench at April 04, 2014 04:16 PM (noWW6) I will fucking campaign for Hillary if those shitheads manage to get Bush through the primary. We have to BURN THEM DOWN when they try shit like that.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 04, 2014 12:34 PM (bb5+k)

263 This thread's gettin punchy.

Be glad it's not gettin stabby.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at April 04, 2014 12:34 PM (0AKks)

264 The ACA is a resounding success!! Can I get a Haruuuuuumph!!!

C'mon Wingers!!!

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at April 04, 2014 12:34 PM (NpXoL)

265 It's war. Othering is permitted.
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Which other ring? I have this wedding ring and my Mermaid man decoder ring. Am I supposed to have another one?

Posted by: Joe Biden at April 04, 2014 12:34 PM (78TbK)

266 Networks feeling used? Ace you are so funny even when you don't try. Thank you

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 04, 2014 12:35 PM (HVff2)

267 he shows good judgment in terms of whom to hire and consult, what steps to take and moves to make. Hey Peggy, looks like Pelosi isn't the only one making, to use your own words 'historic admission that she was fighting hard for something she herself didn't understand'

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at April 04, 2014 12:35 PM (9Bdcz)

268 "And burn the heretic! But she recanted! Still burn her!"

Except Noonan hasn't really recanted per se.

Late one winter night, we're discussing what road to take to get home. I flatly insist on a particular route. Not long after we turn off at that exit, it becomes clear that the road is in dangerous condition, unlit, no signage, goes through bad areas.

Several hours later we're hopelessly lost, the car is stuck and out of gas, a blizzard has descended, and we're shivering painfully and realizing that we may never be safely found.

I say, observantly, "It's starting to get really cold."

Is my mere description of the shitty conditions into which my decision helped land us, without any apology regarding that decision, considered a "recantation"?

If it is, then yes, Peggy has recanted. But I don't think it is.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 04, 2014 12:35 PM (noWW6)

269 This thread's gettin punchy.

Be glad it's not gettin stabby.

***

I like it when its stompy.

Posted by: dananjcon at April 04, 2014 12:36 PM (NpXoL)

270 If you like your face hugging spider, you can keep your face hugging spider.

What? I'm serious this time.

Posted by: Barack Onaggaroth at April 04, 2014 12:36 PM (78TbK)

271 She's kidding, right? Is she still on that Sunday show with her little whimsical breathy speech pattern. She couldn't wait to be part of the beltway punditry gobbling zippy's crank. At one point I thought she was going to do the Meg Ryan character in When Harry Met Barry!

Posted by: Travis McGee at April 04, 2014 12:36 PM (El37k)

272

We're not even getting the full shaft yet.

Barky has delayed large portions of this nightmare.

For political reasons.

This law is so bad...so diabolical...that he's been delaying parts of it that will fuck up even more of the people who voted for him.

Posted by: wheatie at April 04, 2014 12:36 PM (FWbLS)

273 172 Noonan is sad that obama isn't living up to his potential. #hellomcfly Posted by: Soothsayer, corn bread assassin at April 04, 2014 04:18 PM (VlefE) Oh, but he is. She just has an exaggerated idea of what the potential of a choom smoking con man is.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 04, 2014 12:37 PM (bb5+k)

274 "And burn the heretic! But she recanted! Still burn her!"

Except Noonan hasn't really recanted per se.

Late one winter night, we're discussing what road to take to get home. I flatly insist on a particular route. Not long after we turn off at that exit, it becomes clear that the road is in dangerous condition, unlit, no signage, goes through bad areas.

Several hours later we're hopelessly lost, the car is stuck and out of gas, a blizzard has descended, and we're shivering painfully and realizing that we may never be safely found.

I say, observantly, "It's starting to get really cold."

Is my mere description of the shitty conditions into which my decision helped land us, without any apology regarding that decision, considered a "recantation"?

If it is, then yes, Peggy has recanted. But I don't think it is.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 04, 2014 04:35 PM (noWW6)

Heh.. well done

Posted by: The Jackhole at April 04, 2014 12:37 PM (nTgAI)

275 I say, observantly, "It's starting to get really cold."
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I told you Global Warming would kill us all.

Posted by: Al GOre at April 04, 2014 12:37 PM (78TbK)

276 Posted by: spypeach at April 04, 2014 04:33 PM (10H0T) Au contraire!

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 04, 2014 12:37 PM (o3MSL)

277 This law is so bad...so diabolical...that he's been delaying parts of it that will fuck up even more of the people who voted for him. Posted by: wheatie at April 04, 2014 04:36 PM (FWbLS) Good. I love it when a plan comes together.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/s][/u][/b] at April 04, 2014 12:38 PM (yz6yg)

278

JEB BUSH in 2016!

for victory, yo

Posted by: The Obvious Sock at April 04, 2014 12:38 PM (W6iIX)

279 Sally, not Barry! Oops!

Posted by: Travis McGee at April 04, 2014 12:38 PM (El37k)

280 252 Mikey NTH - Days of Rage Sale at the Outrage Outlet! at April 04, 2014 04:33 PM (hLRSq) Mikey I love you like a brother here....no lie and no joke but if you don't get that Obama happened because the nutroots started counting coup I don't know what to say. Our Punditry will never beat the machine the left has built and the "rage" of the Kossacks and Bill "Butt" Plug and the Donk Undergrounders is what gave Obama and the donks the greenlight to weaponize the government. Ace is influential enough that if we spread the word we can hurt Peg by Noonly and start getting discipline ourselves. She is expendable enough I'd jettison her through an airlock in a minute.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 04, 2014 12:38 PM (TE35l)

281 This is because Palin is prettier than Noonan, and that made Noonan jealous. No, I'm dead serious. The jealousy of someone pretty and talented and engaging being picked out of seeming obscurity to run for VP made Noonan's blood BOIL. Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit (or Beth for short) at April 04, 2014 04:18 PM (4df7R) I think this is pretty much the thinking behind all of her female critics. Ho's gotta be bitches.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 04, 2014 12:38 PM (bb5+k)

282 We here are going to cost Peggy Noonan and the WSJ what exactly? Again, I disagree that she isn't influential. She reaches more people than this website does and influences more people, especially people who are not as ideological as the people here. She can put it into words that will get before them, words that can convince those people, the ones that need to be convinced if anything is to be done. Ace is a good writer, but he does not have that reach. Posted by: Mikey NTH - Days of Rage Sale at the Outrage Outlet! at April 04, 2014 04:33 PM (hLRSq) I agree. I used to read her weekly until her Barry fetish kicked in. Then I stopped. After years of being a WSJ subscriber, (we all) have noticed it becoming more and more left-leaning (since the buyout I suppose). The oped is the only section not tainted yet. So, as one of the most read international papers, this is a good thing. And, this is a hard hit from Noonan. She's usually all flowers and perfumes, holding back to keep balance within her schmoozing circles. This is not the first piece where she has begun to see the light. I'm all for anyone exposing this corrupt administration.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 04, 2014 12:38 PM (IXrOn)

283 72 MWR: *beats head against desk*

Your head or the cow-orker's?

Don't ork me bro!

Posted by: The Cow at April 04, 2014 12:39 PM (pjMym)

284 "Ace - the horde has spoken, please no more links or references to Peggy's columns any more. Just to be safe, you better avoid Krauthammer."
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A lot of people have been respectfully engaging your posts in this thread, and then you write this?

I wish I'd known responding to you was a waste of time before I bothered to do so.

Posted by: Kensington (@NYKensington) at April 04, 2014 12:39 PM (/AHDz)

285 podcast post up

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 04, 2014 12:39 PM (IXrOn)

286

I like her writing style. PLEASE DON"T KILL ME.

I hate what she has to say sometimes, other times I think she is pretty good. I can understand the hate.

Posted by: The Jackhole at April 04, 2014 12:39 PM (nTgAI)

287 178 165-because of Bush's spending, he destroyed any argument that the R's were the Party of Fiscal Restraint. Pointing out that Obama is worse doesn't make Bush good on the issue. That fat pig Rove and Bush destroyed the brand and the party. Posted by: ejo at April 04, 2014 04:19 PM (GXvSO) And because HW Bush broke his solemn pledge, he couldn't point out that Bill Clinton was a HABITUAL LYING SACK OF SHIT. The rebuttal would have always been "Read My Lips... No new taxes!" Bush fucked us by trying to play nice with the Democrats instead of trying to put a corkscrew through their eye.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 04, 2014 12:40 PM (bb5+k)

288

Ace wrote, "I'm not sure if this is just about the bottom line, or if the networks (and especially their news divisions) are feeling a bit used for repeatedly bending over for Obama whenever he sexts them a booty call, but otherwise treating them like the Town Pumps they are."

Neither. The networks are concerned that a big, blaring, primetime Mission Accomplished moment might come back later and bite Obama and the Democrats on the ass. They're saving him from himself.

Posted by: troyriser at April 04, 2014 12:41 PM (gNlvW)

289 7 million sign-ups is exactly as accurate and truthful as 11 million illegal aliens hiding in the shadows. Everything that guy, Uncle Sam, just said is b*llsh*t.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at April 04, 2014 12:41 PM (1CroS)

290 Can we not let her back in the fold? She is fighting the fight now. Is that not good enough? Sure it should make us suspect her in the future, but not on this. Posted by: SH at April 04, 2014 03:57 PM (gmeXX) ___________________ NO!! It's not so much the fact she was duped, it was the DEGREE to which she blindly, unthinkingly and oh, so enthusiastically, waited in line to thoroughly TONGUE-BATHE Mr Obama when it was her turn: "He climbed steep stairs, born off the continent with no father to guide, a dreamy, abandoning mother, mixed race, no connections. He rose with guts and gifts. "He is steady, calm, and, in terms of the execution of his political ascent, still the primary and almost only area in which his executive abilities can be discerned, he shows good judgment in terms of whom to hire and consult, what steps to take and moves to make." (sayeth Peggy Noonan)

Posted by: alwyr at April 04, 2014 12:41 PM (V0j3u)

291

A guy walks into a bar.

The bartender says, " Why the long face?"

The guy says, " I'm a Republican and I had to enroll into Obamacare and I found it was very easy and my premiums were way lower than before and the I get way more services covered. I have to tell my conservative friends and it makes me sad."

The bartender says, " Wow, really?"

The guy laughs and says , " Of course not I'm just fucking with you"

Posted by: polynikes at April 04, 2014 12:42 PM (m2CN7)

292 Bush fucked us by trying to play nice with the Democrats instead of trying to put a corkscrew through their eye.
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Hey now, if we tried something like that it might make them sad pandas.

Speaking of which, wait until you see the amnesty package we are going to push through after you guys give us the Senate!

Posted by: John Boehner at April 04, 2014 12:42 PM (78TbK)

293 281 artisanal 'ette at April 04, 2014 04:38 PM (IXrOn) I am being serious as a heart attack...can you point to me where she has recanted her three month long oral copulation of the Dusky Hued Fabio? Yeah yeah she is attacking what "the uncool majority" knows is shit law but when has she ever landed a hard blow(pun sorta intended) at Obama that didn't make him lie back and think of Reggie?

Posted by: sven10077 at April 04, 2014 12:42 PM (TE35l)

294 "I like her writing style. PLEASE DON"T KILL ME."
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I like her writing style *and* I think she's kind of hot for an older lady.

I still think it's appropriate to jump up and down upon her over and over and over and over and over for her role in this "catastrophe."

Posted by: Kensington (@NYKensington) at April 04, 2014 12:42 PM (/AHDz)

295 Torque. One of the best here.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at April 04, 2014 12:45 PM (/djtm)

296 Noonan has a platform read by people not in our camp. Ace has a platform read predominantly by people in our camp. Any Obama-related flaws exposed by Noonan will be at least subliminally registered in the minds of her non-thinking as a sign of weakness in Obama. She may not be preaching to our choir, but she is humming a catchy tune!

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 04, 2014 12:45 PM (o3MSL)

297 Peggy Noonan, I would say that you had mastered the art of the obvious, but you didn't. Meh.

Posted by: navybrat at April 04, 2014 12:46 PM (JgC5a)

298 Obamacare makes perfect sense if your goal is to take the US down. That is Obama's mission. The Dems are in it for the totalitarian control it provides them.

Posted by: whoever at April 04, 2014 12:46 PM (pjMym)

299

Obama is one of the biggest liars this country has ever seen.

Ever.

His entire fucking life is one huge lie, so what is it to go out and lie more?

He seemingly can't help himself. the guy is really a messed up dude.

It is a scary thought that he got elected so goddamn easily.

Soviet shit.

Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz Christies at April 04, 2014 12:47 PM (xggaJ)

300 206----And the price? I was astonished on how cheap it was. Posted by: Soona at April 04, 2014 04:24 PM (QFEAP) ------------------- Cheap? You mean you were astonished at how much OTHER people are forced to pay for your "cheap" ride.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 04, 2014 12:48 PM (dfYL9)

301 I am being serious as a heart attack...can you point to me where she has recanted her three month long oral copulation of the Dusky Hued Fabio? Posted by: sven10077 at April 04, 2014 04:42 PM (TE35l) Of course I cannot. You know that. She has always played both sides of the fence (as you recall my comment above, I used to read her regularly - then I just couldn't take it anymore). But, if she is going to tear up The One's "legacy" and help the left leaning Republicans, and the Indy's see the light, fine. She has a large following. This can only help on election day.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 04, 2014 12:48 PM (IXrOn)

302

This also has to be the biggest fraud perpetrated in US history.

From top to bottom, a fraud that Madoff or Corzine could only dream of putting over.

Worse than wrestling.

Is it an isolated thing the creator of javascript getting axed over his views?

I tend to think this is one continuum, due to the lawlessness at the top.

It all flows from the garbage the dumbass is putting out, and the hordes of commies he has unleashed on the US.

Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz Christies at April 04, 2014 12:50 PM (xggaJ)

303 Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz Christies at April 04, 2014 04:47 PM (xggaJ) Even though McCain was, and continues to be, a worthless POS, at least once there was some "there" there. Not so with Obama, yet he got elected twice and there is still no "there" there!

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 04, 2014 12:50 PM (o3MSL)

304 The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Always a good philosophy during a war. Just watch your back after the war is over.

Posted by: polynikes at April 04, 2014 12:51 PM (m2CN7)

305 I have said it before, I will say it again. If your goal is to create a political monoculture there is no better way to do it than to put the State in charge of your health care. Once you accomplish that, the rest is easy. Just say that there is not enough to go around and that sensible steps need to be taken to ration it. Guess how the rationing is determined?

Posted by: navybrat at April 04, 2014 12:51 PM (JgC5a)

306
"Bush fucked us"

He definitely did with his Commie Lite soup of the day.

And the idiots who run the GOP are carrying on his legacy of dumbfucked decisions.

John Boner, but hey, conservative guy, small business guy, fightin for ya, all the time.

Same with Paul Ryan, who read Ayn Rand! He really did.

Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz Christies at April 04, 2014 12:51 PM (xggaJ)

307 Posted by: navybrat at April 04, 2014 04:51 PM (JgC5a) Responsible people agree that rationing is the logical and humane thing to do with limited healthcare resources.

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 04, 2014 12:52 PM (o3MSL)

308 Peggy Noonan, the band-wagoneer, practicing another iteration of prose trying to tell the rubes what rubes knew years ago. Very insightful, Peggy. Hey, how 'bout that growth in government and shrinking of liberty. Really kinda sneaked up on us over the past forty years, eh? Maybe write a column on that. You know... to tell everyone what's what.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at April 04, 2014 12:52 PM (1CroS)

309 Noonan....Nooooo-Nan!!!

Posted by: dananjcon at April 04, 2014 12:52 PM (NpXoL)

310 Responsible people agree that rationing is the logical and humane thing to do with limited healthcare resources. Posted by: Hrothgar at April 04, 2014 04:52 PM (o3MSL) I think the resources would be less constrained if we just killed all the liberals first.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/s][/u][/b] at April 04, 2014 12:54 PM (yz6yg)

311 Last night I happened to get behind some little dinky car plastered with bumper stickers, and what to my wandering eyes do I see but a pretty pastel green sticker that says I (heart) Obamacare. The car was so small that when I drove past the wench in my 3/4 ton truck, I could barely make out the dingbat blonde twentysomething driving and texting/talking on her phone that was pluggedin. I did notice the car had fur pillows strewn about. Brainless. Just like Peggy was in 2008. I only wonder if the dingbat blond has had the same disappointment in Obamacare that Peggy has. Only she can't get the bumpersticker off.

Posted by: Jen at April 04, 2014 12:54 PM (IdGqX)

312

"Even though McCain was, and continues to be, a worthless POS,"

The entire GOP is worthless.

They can't strategerize any comeback to this gigantic fraud, and just let it ride?

Really? It's that hard, huh?

What kind of people do that, get elected, then totally fuck over the people who elected them?

I'll tell you...

Assholes who secretly want to play the game. They are frauds as much as the jugeheaded moron.

It is damned disappointing.

Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz Christies at April 04, 2014 12:54 PM (xggaJ)

313 Noonan has a platform read by people not in our camp.

Yeah, annnnnd? Democrats are not going to vote for a Republican PresidentÂ—EVAH! My Democratic friends, who I consider very intelligent people, have bought into the war on wymens, conservatives hate the zipster cause he's black, and that Republicans want to deny people health care and minorities the right to vote. They hear is everyday on the news and read it in the paper. They wouldn't watch Faux News if their life depended on it.

Posted by: Travis McGee at April 04, 2014 12:54 PM (El37k)

314 Posted by: torquewrench at April 04, 2014 04:35 PM (noWW6) Wonderful analogy. OT, where is TFG on the Mozilla firing. He sure was handy & useful with that Harvard situation

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 04, 2014 12:55 PM (HVff2)

315

I wonder if Peggy ever say Soylent Green.

You know, that movie, with Chuck Heston...the distopia with a ruling class that is feeding humans with chopped and processed human crackers?

Really, if you sit down and think in the manner of a sci-fi author, you could lay out a path for that to happen with the current methods of the government.

It wouldn't be as much of a stretch as we may have thought a few years ago, but with the rampant communismism going on, the future comes into better focus.

I think this whole country is totally fucked.

Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz Christies at April 04, 2014 12:57 PM (xggaJ)

316 I'm sure there are a few thousand dogs and cats in the gubmint's "numbers" too, but get used to it--it's going to be all propaganda all the time from here on out.

My only hope is, and it's a faint one, that by midterms everyone will have had a chance to use their new "insurance" and will be suitably pissed off and will vote against any Democrat running for anything.

Then we get a dominant GOP in congress. Hurrah? That's when the real praying should start.

Posted by: PJ at April 04, 2014 01:07 PM (ZWaLo)

317 51 . . . Can we not let [Peggy Noonan] back in the fold? She is fighting the fight now. Is that not good enough? Sure it should make us suspect her in the future, but not on this.
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Anybody who wrote such solid praise of Reagan as she did in When Character Was King: A Story of Ronald Reagan can't be all bad. And she has a sweet way with words, too.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at April 04, 2014 01:07 PM (6Xgb/)

318 Worth remembering: House bill gutted by the Senate and ACA substituted in its entirety. Certified to be revenue neutral by the CBO since the Senate cannot initiate spending increases using bogus numbers. Passed by the Senate Dem majority without a single Repuke vote. Passed by the House under reconciliation rules. Signed by the Dickhead in Chief and praised as a "Big fucking deal" by the Paste Eater. Then Roberts lost his mind and his nuts.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at April 04, 2014 01:09 PM (gsaG1)

319 He's trying to outdo Hitler, Stalin and Mao. With 310 million of us, he's got an outside shot at it. 430 million...remember, he's signing up Mexicans who haven't even moved up here yet. Posted by: HR at April 04, 2014 04:11 PM (ZKzrr) --------------------------------------------- HR: Thank you for COMPLETELY fuc#ing up my weekend! Having read your (revised) numbers [430 million] - and being forced to agree with their accuracy, I'm going to stagger to the local cantina and just get drunk for the entire weekend. Maybe longer.......

Posted by: alwyr at April 04, 2014 01:21 PM (V0j3u)

320 The media refusing Obama his victory lap is either false or a sign they are trying to (dishonestly) gain some semblance of credibility. They've done nothing but blindly and I believe, purposely support an absolutely destructive agenda. Replete with historic mendacity and corrupt processes that would have met generous scrutiny if the president had an "R" behind his name, it could not have happened without them. In fact, now that most American's are finding out the truth our illustrious, lying media is becoming public enemy #1. People are waking up to realizing they let it happen. They are the American Vichy Collaborators and it didn't end well for their 20th century predecessors.

I personally wish them a painful death. May their corporations crumble and with them, their destructive, despicable, dishonest propagandists. May they become ashes in the dust bin of history and a lesson for everyone who attempts that vocation in the future. . A truly "free" press cannot stand without honesty and truth. Without it, you've become collaborators in exterminating a nation. Good riddance, Neither me nor my family for generations will ever read or watch their tripe, or see it beyond the partisan exercise in prevarication it is,

Posted by: Marcus T at April 04, 2014 01:27 PM (s8Xsp)

321 Cheap?
You mean you were astonished at how much OTHER people are forced to pay for your "cheap" ride.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 04, 2014 04:48 PM (dfYL9)

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The "staunch conservative in love with Ocare" meme has been forgotten quickly. The horde is grumpy today.

Posted by: Soona at April 04, 2014 01:41 PM (QFEAP)

322 Affirmative Action has consequences, Peggy.

Posted by: garrett at April 04, 2014 01:46 PM (9Rwbt)

323 ACA is a big part of what is wrong with America in general and the Democrat Party in particular, and Barack Obama specifically. They want power and mean to get it, to screw with our lives, our fortunes, our future and and children. Forever. It is nothing about any principles except this. Many on the Right saw this in 2008 when Obama was campaigning. Vaclav Klaus in the Czech Republic saw it clearer than many Americans did. Yet, Peggy Noonan and many of her fellow travelers were in praise of Obama and his campaign and his promise for America. Surely, McCain was a truly lousy alternative, but I don't think he would have so viciously trod upon our Constitution and the protections it has for the citizens. ACA is a hot mess of unconstitutional demands on the people and private companies. It treads on so much that has been off-limits for government power for the life of this Former Republic, that it beggars the imagination. Peggy Noonan was a pre-election accomplice to this travesty. There is no power on Earth that can compel or encourage me to ever trust her ever again. She and others of her kind sold my birthright and those of my children down the river. There is no simple or easy return or recovery of what has been lost. A new standard of Government Power has been established. She approved of this beforehand. If she was too stupid to realize this, then she is too stupid to advise me now. If she is too corrupt to have realized this, then she is still the same intellectually and morally corrupt person now that she was then. She may repent to God, and He may forgive her. But Peggy and her ilk were supposed to know better and speak out. She failed by either malice or stupidity. Or both.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative riding Orca at April 04, 2014 01:59 PM (RFeQD)

324 All of their numbers are lies from day one, pure propaganda.

Posted by: commentorior

Much like their jobs created or saved or their deportation numbers.

Posted by: Cheri at April 04, 2014 02:00 PM (G+Wff)

325 The verbal masturbatrix is no friend of ours. >>>What do you think PeggyNoonan will write the day after hillaryclintonwins in2016? Yeah, exactly<<<< Posted by: Soothsayer, corn bread assassin THIS

Posted by: iamfelix at April 04, 2014 02:13 PM (Why2y)

326 My boyfriend voted for Obama in 2008. He voted for Romney in 2012. Now, he likes to post that video of Ted Cruz all tatted up, when his liberal friends rant on Facebook. He says it makes him smile. To turn this around, we need to broaden our circle of friends. (And why doesn't some Rep hire that artist? It was a brilliant idea. Rand's the only one I can think of that would do it--although Cruz did sign the poster)

Posted by: Notsothoreau at April 04, 2014 03:05 PM (Lqy/e)

327 You voted for it, Peggy-Poo.

Choke on it.

And fuck you.

Posted by: Citizen X at April 04, 2014 03:45 PM (7ObY1)

Ding-ding-ding, we have a winner.

Posted by: Physics Geek at April 04, 2014 03:08 PM (llWHs)

328 Fact of the day: more American voters than not AGREE WITH HER ON THIS. Still. More than five years after Bush departed the White House.

Hmm. If only there was an organization tasked with spreading news and actual information instead of parroting the Dem's agitprop.

Posted by: Physics Geek at April 04, 2014 03:17 PM (llWHs)

329 Vaclav klaus opined on obama?

Posted by: pj at April 04, 2014 06:42 PM (ZWaLo)

330 Miss Peggy can bite my Southern ass.

She voted for this shit.

Posted by: Beverly at April 04, 2014 07:39 PM (peifg)

331 Gee, Peggy, it's too bad no one could have warned us about Obamacare beforehand!

Posted by: Dave M at April 04, 2014 09:46 PM (0rHQx)

332 I listen to Peggy Noonan when I want to hear what Palin was saying 6 years ago in a ~fancy voice~

Posted by: Dave M at April 04, 2014 09:52 PM (0rHQx)

333 As I'm working on my taxes, I just want to tell the Morons and 'Ettes that we in the U.S.A. have a bunch of truly worthless bastards running our country. I really don't know how we could do much worse than the lot we have now. If a people get the government they deserve, we must have done something awfully bad to deserve this bunch of sons and daughters of bitches who govern us now. There MIGHT be 15 of the 535 + 9 + 2 whose hand I'd be willing to shake. The rest I wouldn't piss on if they were burning to death in the middle of the street. To call them thieves, liars and whores is to be too insulting to honest thieves, liars and whores.

Posted by: mac at April 05, 2014 05:11 AM (9Aeep)

334 When President Reagan said, "Tear down this wall", it was Peggy Noonan that fought, and fought not to make the Soviets upset. Reagan finally just ignored her. GOOD FOR HIM!!! I am not interested in anything she has to say.

Posted by: burt at April 05, 2014 05:43 AM (1+kJ5)

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