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April 16, 2014

Megan McArdle on Obama's New Books-Cooking Census Insurance Question: "I Â’m speechless. Shocked. Stunned. Horrified. Befuddled. Aghast, appalled, thunderstruck, perplexed, baffled, bewildered and dumbfounded."
— Ace

The census is changing the way they ask a question about being insured. The old way, they say, tended to overstate how many people were uninsured. (But note Obama was willing to rely on that overstated figure in making his case for the urgency of destroying the health care system.)

The new way is supposedly "more accurate" -- but will result in fewer people saying they're uninsured.

Coincidentally I'm so f***ing sure, these changes are implemented at the precise damn moment Obama wants to demonstrate a Big Impact of Obamacare.

Of course, he has cooked the books. Much of the change in the number of uninsured will come simply from the new way in which the question is asked, but he will imply or explicitly state (explicit lies are well within his wheelhouse) that the drop in uninsured is attributable to Obamacare.

Megan McArdle, to whom, as a economist/analyst, data are precious as diamonds, is shocked that Obama would decided to destroy any possibility of using census data to get an accurate analysis of the impact of Obamacare, but perhaps she shouldn't be all that shocked at all.

Indeed, she suspects as much:

But why, dear God, oh, why, would you change it in the one year in the entire history of the republic that it is most important for policy makers, researchers and voters to be able to compare the number of uninsured to those in prior years? The answers would seem to range from Â“total incompetence on the part of every level of this administrationÂ” to something worse.
Yes, thatÂ’s right, I said Â“every level.Â” Because guess who was involved in this decision, besides the wonks at Census?

The White House is always looking for evidence to show the benefits of the health law, which is an issue in many of this yearÂ’s midterm elections. The Department of Health and Human Services and the White House Council of Economic Advisers requested several of the new questions, and the White House Office of Management and Budget approved the new questionnaire. But the decision to make fundamental changes in the survey was driven by technical experts at the Census Bureau, and members of Congress have not focused on it or suggested political motives.
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I find it completely and totally impossible to believe that this problem didnÂ’t occur to anyone at Census, or in the White House. It would be like arguing that the George W. Bush administration might have inadvertently overlooked the possibility that when the U.S. invaded Iraq, there would be shooting. This is the biggest policy debate of the last 10 years, and these data are at the heart of that debate. It is implausible that everyone involved somehow failed to notice that they were making it much harder to know the effect of this law on the population it was supposed to serve. Especially because the administration seems to have had a ready excuse as soon as people reacted to the news.

Of course, the Administration's main salutatory innovations in economic and policy matters has been to change the method by which we measure the economy and impacts of specific policies.

We used to figure out a President's job creation number from, get this, subtracting jobs lost from jobs created, resulting in (whether positive or negative) net jobs created.

But Obama found that Old School Approach to not be accurate enough. He created a new category -- Jobs Saved.

And when "Jobs Saved" turned out to not be plentiful in and of themselves, he created a new category-- "Jobs Funded." He asked employers to note when even a single dollar of government stimulus money had gone to an an employee, whether or not that employee was ever in danger of being laid off. If a single dollar of money went to that employee, then the job was considered "funded" by the government.

But that still wasn't enough -- the Department of Energy created a new metric for measuring the economic impact of stimulus spending. People who politically supported boondoggle spending on, say, Solyndra, would be credited as having been "positively impacted" by the spending.

Sure, Solyndra cost the country money in exchange for no jobs, but think about all those people "positively impacted" by the spending! They felt good about spending money on a cronyist boondoggle; and you just can't put a price on making progressives' erogenous zones throb with the excitement of spending other people's money.

Is GDP not growing enough? Is Obama being weighed down by low GDP growth figures?

Not to worry-- There's An App For That (TM).

Much attention about todayÂ’s data release will focus on BEAÂ’s new methodology for calculating GDP. This new methodology generally makes two large changes. First, it reclassifies some spending made by businesses as long-lived investment rather than current intermediate costs. This means that this reclassified spending now boosts measured GDP (which excludes intermediates costs, but does include investments).

Are too many businesses reporting that they're laying off workers at about the same time Obamacare is implemented? Don't sweat it -- just make businesses swear on their tax forms that firings were not due to Obamacare.

Consider what administration officials announcing the new exemption for medium-sized employers had to say about firms that might fire workers to get under the threshold and avoid hugely expensive new requirements of the law. Obama officials made clear in a press briefing that firms would not be allowed to lay off workers to get into the preferred class of those businesses with 50 to 99 employees. How will the feds know what employers were thinking when hiring and firing? Simple. Firms will be required to certify to the IRS Â– under penalty of perjury Â– that ObamaCare was not a motivating factor in their staffing decisions. To avoid ObamaCare costs you must swear that you are not trying to avoid ObamaCare costs. You can duck the law, but only if you promise not to say so.

Earlier in his term Obama wanted to reassure voters that he wasn't lenient on illegal immigration. And yet he was actually deporting fewer people than Bush or Clinton. How to assure them he was tough as nails on deportation, then?

Easy peasy -- change the way you calculate deportations. Just begin counting border interdictions (where you just stop someone at or near the border and send them back home) as "deportations" and suddenly you've doubled your "deportations."

Interdictions had never been before counted as "deportations." They were counted under a separate heading. So by changing the accounting method, "deportations" suddenly rise -- when in fact actual deportations have gone down. Way down.

And then, by simply changing your accounting method (without telling anyone about the change), you have gone from someone who's deporting fewer illegals to the Most Hardcore Hardass Deporter in History.

Of course, this then became a meme on the Open Borders left, with illegal immigrant advocates getting angry at Obama and calling him "The Deporter in Chief".... to which charge he now tells them, "Relax, I was just lying, fellas."

In Obama's first year in office, his administration deported 237,941 people. That number represents the traditional definition of a deportation: someone living their life in the U.S. when they encounter a law enforcement officer who has them shipped out of the country.
By last year, that number had fallen to 133,551. And of those, 71,938 had been previously convicted of at least one felony or several misdemeanors Â– the "criminal aliens" that the administration has targeted. That means of the 12 million undocumented immigrants living in the country, fewer than 70,000 who have led generally peaceful lives here were deported last year.
Yes, the Obama administration says it deports 400,000 people annually, recently passing the 2 million mark throughout the president's time in office. But the majority of those cases involve people caught by Border Patrol agents along the Southwest border and processed through Immigration and Customs Enforcement. In years past, those people would have been quickly shipped back to Mexico....
The backlash started last September, when seven undocumented immigrants handcuffed themselves to the gates of the White House to call on the president to halt deportations. More groups joined in the chorus, culminating in a March speech by Janet MurguÃa, the president of the National Council of La Raza, the country's largest and most well-financed immigration advocacy group. In it, she called Obama "deporter in chief."

That led to a White House meeting last month, when the president voiced his frustration with leaders of several immigration advocacy groups. In his time in office, Obama has stopped the work site immigration raids so frequent under Bush and created a program that has granted protected status to more than 500,000 undocumented immigrants brought to the country as children. He has stopped the deportation of relatives of military members, is considering extending work visas to spouses of foreigners working in the country and ordered a system-wide review of deportation practices to see how to conduct them "more humanely."

When Obama speaks to the Gringos, he touts the 400,000 figure.

When he speaks to Hispanics -- at a White House meeting, presumably behind closed doors -- he tells them he's not really deporting that many people.

A different lie for every constituency.

And in each case, the changes in accounting methodology prevent the whole point of accounting -- accountability.

There is never a good baseline upon which to judge Obama's performance, because at every turn he deliberately destroys the baseline measure.

Orwell noted that whoever controls the past, controls the future.

Obama seems to be an Apt Pupil.

Primary Season: Remember when Obama claimed that he was submitting a budget that would be "balanced" in its out-years (you know, those years a convenient decade away when all the real cuts would allegedly occur)?

He was questioned on this -- how could he say the budget was "balanced" when his own charts still showed $800 billion per year deficits?

Ah, you see, you misunderstood -- they only meant the primary budget would be balanced, the primary budget defined as the budget excluding the huge outlays to maintain debt service on already-accrued borrowing.

This is like saying "Well, the budget is balanced. And when I say 'budget,' I mean the budget, excluding Social Security payments."

Why would you exclude those? What possible justification is there to treat some expenditures as somehow not worthy of being counted?

But even by Obama's new accounting on what "balanced" means -- of course it even turned out that that was a lie.

Posted by: Ace at 11:53 AM | Comments (353)
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1 And who coulda seen THAT coming?

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 16, 2014 11:55 AM (bb5+k)

2 Italics FTW!

Posted by: Roland THTG at April 16, 2014 11:55 AM (QM5S2)

3 In USSA, Statistics write YOU!

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 16, 2014 11:56 AM (bb5+k)

4 Megan McArdle on Obama's New Books-Cooking Census Insurance Question: "I Â’m speechless. Shocked. Stunned. Horrified. Befuddled. Aghast, appalled, thunderstruck, perplexed, baffled, bewildered and dumbfounded." She forgot "gobsmacked." It's such a great word, too.

Posted by: Citizen X at April 16, 2014 11:56 AM (7ObY1)

5 Obama seems to be an Apt Pupil. Nah, he's a stupid dumbass, but he knows how to lie and he knows how to cover up lies, plus he has a lot of help from other Democrats (his staff) who also have excellent instincts for lying and getting away with it. Who they gotta fool? Their liberal allies in the media? Not a hard trick that.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 16, 2014 11:57 AM (bb5+k)

6 America needs an "Anger index".

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at April 16, 2014 11:59 AM (AC0lD)

7 Something worse.

Posted by: blaster at April 16, 2014 11:59 AM (bPp9l)

8 The only # from this bunch that might not be a lie is how many bullets they've bought for agencies which shouldn't be armed.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at April 16, 2014 11:59 AM (DL2i+)

9 last September, when seven undocumented immigrants handcuffed themselves to the gates of the White House I'll tell you what's 'undocumented': the number of times I could walk up and down that gate. While pissing.

Posted by: t-bird at April 16, 2014 11:59 AM (FcR7P)

10 Metrics? Where we're going, we don't need metrics!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/s] [/u] at April 16, 2014 12:01 PM (HsTG8)

11 How can we utilize this anger in the voters...? Hmmm perhaps a funny tweet or two?

Posted by: TOP MEN IN THE GOP at April 16, 2014 12:01 PM (F6KtL)

12 As an auditor, one of the key things we have to do is make sure data presentable is comparable from year to year. If not, we have to explain why it is not and the impact of the change in presentation, if possible. Megan hits the problem right on the head. Where she falls short, unfortunately, is that she does not call it exactly what it is.

Posted by: Virginia Socon at April 16, 2014 12:01 PM (+/C3g)

13 Moving the Census Bureau into the White House in '09 was just to promote efficiency.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at April 16, 2014 12:01 PM (+lsX1)

14 These bastards make ENRONS book cookers look like a bunch of amateurs. Where the hell is boehner? Where the hell is McConnell?

Posted by: Kreplach at April 16, 2014 12:01 PM (5PkZK)

15 And in other news, last quarter's chocolate ration has been redefined from 20 grams to 10 grams. They are now proud to announce that due to their brilliant management, this quarter's chocolate ration is being increased to 15 grams!

Posted by: Formerly known as Skeptic at April 16, 2014 12:02 PM (91XRk)

16 He's a no good, good for nothing man. I have always believed he is a front for someone else, I hope we find out who it is. The lies have to confuse his brain. One day they'll slip out.

Posted by: Carol at April 16, 2014 12:02 PM (DVPta)

17 Don't forget the new methodology for calculating GDP. It's always Year One in Barrytown!

Posted by: Waterhouse at April 16, 2014 12:03 PM (fOLwM)

18 Isn't
It's not who votes that counts it's who counts the votes.
a Stalinism?

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at April 16, 2014 12:03 PM (DL2i+)

19 Despite all my training in research methods, surveys still elude me from a methodological standpoint. Having said that, can't they just ask *both* questions? I recognize one will likely drive the other (anchor effect and all) but ask the old one first and then the new one (which is, as I understand it, a semi-structured *set* of questions.)

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) [/b] [/i] [/s] at April 16, 2014 12:03 PM (HDwDg)

20 Remember when he told his supporters he was going to do something about gun control "under the radar"? Yeh, guys, it's so under the radar it's invisible, but I'm totes taking care of it.

Posted by: Mama AJ at April 16, 2014 12:03 PM (SUKHu)

21 >>>Don't forget the new methodology for calculating GDP. right I thought I remembered that. I'll add it.

Posted by: ace at April 16, 2014 12:04 PM (/FnUH)

22 Remember, this crew also redefined GDP last year as well. Supposedly they adjusted all historical numbers for the revision. Uh-huh. I'm sure they did it is as fairly as historical temperatures have been revised.

Posted by: Virginia Socon at April 16, 2014 12:04 PM (+/C3g)

23 What can we do...what can we do...PASS AMNESTY!!

Posted by: TOP MEN IN THE GOP at April 16, 2014 12:04 PM (F6KtL)

24 I'm flabbergasted.

Posted by: Vizzy at April 16, 2014 12:04 PM (H0lcY)

25 And then, by simply changing your accounting method (without telling anyone about the change),
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Hey is worked for me...for a while at least.

Posted by: Ken Lay at April 16, 2014 12:04 PM (78TbK)

26 >>>>In his time in office, Obama has stopped the work site immigration raids so frequent under Bush and created a program that has granted protected status to more than 500,000 undocumented immigrants brought to the country as children. Fap fap fap fap fap

Posted by: Tsewj at April 16, 2014 12:05 PM (k9BTK)

27 Fool the media? Hell, they are in on the lie or so stupid they wouldn't know what would constitute evidence if it kicked them in the ass.

Posted by: ejo at April 16, 2014 12:05 PM (GXvSO)

28 There is never a good baseline upon which to judge Obama's performance, because at every turn he deliberately destroys the baseline measure.

Of course Token can play a bass line.

Posted by: Eric Cartman[/i][/b][/s] at April 16, 2014 12:05 PM (DL2i+)

29 This would be the same Whitehouse office that cooked the employment numbers right before the last election.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at April 16, 2014 12:05 PM (6ahup)

That's my boy!

I'm a proud papa.

Posted by: Stalin at April 16, 2014 12:05 PM (TOk1P)

31 . Uh-huh. I'm sure they did it is as fairly as historical temperatures have been revised.
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Is there one cherry tree in Washington DC that is individually responsible for all the increase in economic activity since Obama was elected?

Posted by: 18-1 at April 16, 2014 12:05 PM (78TbK)

32 So any change in insurance levels could arguably be an artifact, or an artifice. Either or.

Posted by: toby928© at April 16, 2014 12:06 PM (QupBk)

33 Posted by: Waterhouse at April 16, 2014 04:03 PM (fOLwM)

Dang, fingers need to type faster.

Posted by: Virginia Socon at April 16, 2014 12:06 PM (+/C3g)

34 Where the hell is boehner?
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I tell ya, these fine La Raza folks throw a heck of a fiesta. Top shelf liquor for everyone!

Posted by: John Boehner at April 16, 2014 12:07 PM (78TbK)

35 Just curious: Was McArdle aware that Obama moved the Census under WH control, from Commerce, about a minute after taking office?

Posted by: Lizzy at April 16, 2014 12:07 PM (IdOTf)

36 Why are there two ways to ask ARE YOU INSURED? It's a simple yes/no answer. Putting aside the fact hat Obama is a fucking fascist, why was this question ever more complicated than a simple yes/no? Just shows how govt is beyond fucked up in all areas.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 16, 2014 12:07 PM (0LHZx)

I have changed the metric for whether I did do That Thing in your mouth.

You still have to swallow, though.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at April 16, 2014 12:07 PM (JtwS4)

38 And the Inflation Rate changes, excluding fuel and food, one of the things people can't do without, though that may have happened under Bush.

Posted by: toby928© at April 16, 2014 12:08 PM (QupBk)

39 While you're at it don't forget the new method of calculating inflation. Fuel and food don't count.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at April 16, 2014 12:08 PM (bX7ov)

40 28 Fool the media? Hell, they are in on the lie or so stupid they wouldn't know what would constitute evidence if it kicked them in the ass. Posted by: ejo at April 16, 2014 04:05 PM (GXvSO) Or like the poster on Fox Mulder's wall says: "I want to believe." That's the media, they want to believe. To not believe is to admit that Obama was a mistake, and that they were stupid for supporting him. It would shatter their world view and their own personal senses of infallibility.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 16, 2014 12:08 PM (bb5+k)

41 Obama seems to be an Apt Pupil. I THINK I saw what you did there.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 16, 2014 12:08 PM (TIIx5)

42 He who controls the math controls the present.

Posted by: zombie at April 16, 2014 12:08 PM (mizYg)

43 Where we're going, we don't need metrics!

Metrics, Ha, a damn EUroWeenie plot!

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at April 16, 2014 12:08 PM (DL2i+)

44 The only # from this bunch that might not be a lie is how many bullets they've bought for agencies which shouldn't be armed.
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Posted by: Job Opportunity you'll see on Linkedin soon... at April 16, 2014 12:08 PM (78TbK)

45 Afternoon all.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 16, 2014 12:08 PM (nzKvP)

46 Jinx, Dave.

Posted by: toby928© at April 16, 2014 12:09 PM (QupBk)

47 Oh my, it is going to be so wonderful when, a month from now, Peggy Noonan, waxes poetically on this very issue!

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lesbian Outreach Coordinator at April 16, 2014 12:09 PM (yFbI+)

48 Inflation?

Never heard of it.

Posted by: Charles Gibson at April 16, 2014 12:09 PM (08jH8)

49 30 This would be the same Whitehouseoffice that cooked the employment numbers right before the last election. Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at April 16, 2014 04:05 PM (6ahup) It's turtles all the way down.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 16, 2014 12:09 PM (bb5+k)

50 We received the so-called census a couple years ago. The American Community Survey. We declined to answer anything but the people count in the house that is required by law. Some of the questions, where do you work, what time do you leave the house?

Posted by: FCF at April 16, 2014 12:09 PM (Khja4)

51 41 While you're at it don't forget the new method of calculating inflation. Fuel and food don't count. Posted by: Mr. Dave at April 16, 2014 04:08 PM (bX7ov) ______ That was pre-Obama.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 16, 2014 12:09 PM (0LHZx)

52 While you're at it don't forget the new method of calculating inflation. Fuel and food don't count.
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Hey, I'm paying exactly as much for waygu and arugula in 2014 as I did in 2009. Bupkiss!

Posted by: Barack Obama at April 16, 2014 12:09 PM (78TbK)

53 So you're saying that I can still fake up my workers' comp. injury and qualify for Medicaid and food stamps?

Posted by: Low Information Voter at April 16, 2014 12:09 PM (pmsMR)

54 Boehner should hold a press conference & demand census be taken out of WH. It does not belong there. It's there to continue promoting voter fraud. Dems are too good at that & no one is investigating how many people voted twice in one of the Carolina's. I forget if it was NC or SC.

Posted by: Carol at April 16, 2014 12:09 PM (4rxW7)

55 22 >>>Don't forget the new methodology for calculating GDP. right I thought I remembered that. I'll add it. Posted by: ace at April 16, 2014 04:04 PM (/FnUH) Didn't they also change the calculation to determine the unemployment numbers too?

Posted by: Buzzion at April 16, 2014 12:10 PM (k9BTK)

Ok I posted this earlier and then work got in the way . I recieved two big envelopes in the maiil from the Census Bureau. Something about my house has been picked for the American Community Survey. Wants to know who lives in my house (not names) and there are 48 detailed questions about each person. Crazy. I didnt do it and then got a call from them saying I need to do it or they will send a agent to call on our house.It's required by law. Some bs about how it help the gov serve our community better. She gave me the website and a id number so i can sign in a do it online. Has this happened to anybody else?

Posted by: Big Swingin Al at April 16, 2014 12:10 PM (iWo0u)

57 In before the "Ewok Movie Review" jokes.....

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 16, 2014 12:10 PM (TIIx5)

58 Talk about "trigger" statements. On the other hand, there is little this administration does that doesn't trigger my Tourette's Syndrome. ASSHOLE TOOLS COCKS

Posted by: Seems legit at April 16, 2014 12:10 PM (jEV5Y)

59 Drinks on me toby

Posted by: Mr. Dave at April 16, 2014 12:10 PM (bX7ov)

60 41 While you're at it don't forget the new method of calculating inflation. Fuel and food don't count. Posted by: Mr. Dave at April 16, 2014 04:08 PM (bX7ov) Again, it's turtles all the way down.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 16, 2014 12:10 PM (bb5+k)

61 Lysenkoism is this: Propaganda changes reality. Lysenkoism is the essence at the core of Soviet communism. Obama is a Lysenkoist. You do the math.

Posted by: zombie at April 16, 2014 12:10 PM (mizYg)

62 A lot of words that can be boiled down to "everything this admin puts out is a lie".

Posted by: Vic[/i] at April 16, 2014 12:11 PM (T2V/1)

63 The New Normal, ladies and gentlemen. When a man who is about to wrest control of the entire Federal government tells you he's gonna "fundamentally change" America, you'd be wise to believe him.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lesbian Outreach Coordinator at April 16, 2014 12:11 PM (yFbI+)

64 The sequel to Recovery Summers I-V has come out, it's Coverup Summer I.

Posted by: t-bird at April 16, 2014 12:11 PM (FcR7P)

65 Boehner should hold a press conference & demand census be taken out of WH.
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Damn straight...we'll tell them to take the centigrade out of the whitehouse thermometers and we won't sit down until they give in!

Posted by: Boehner feeling a little tipsy at April 16, 2014 12:11 PM (78TbK)

66 McArdle knows that this is the same guy who created the unverifiable, nonsensical metric of "Jobs Created or Saved," right? Why is she just getting around to being shocked now?

Posted by: Lizzy at April 16, 2014 12:11 PM (IdOTf)

67 and then got a call from them saying I need to do it or they will send a agent to call on our house Tell them that you will beat them with a stick.

Posted by: toby928© at April 16, 2014 12:11 PM (QupBk)

68
Concern Alert Level:Whim-Whams

Posted by: Peggy Noonan at April 16, 2014 12:11 PM (mETGQ)

69 They call it home field advantage, when you employ the groundskeeper that installs the goal posts.

Posted by: Roy at April 16, 2014 12:11 PM (VndSC)

70 Obama did the same thing with deportations. He changed what counted as a "deportation". Before Obama, if you were a Mexican caught at the border and immediately turned around, that didn't count as a deportation. If you put one foot on US soil and immediately pushed back that didn't count officially as a deportation. Now it does. And that's how Obama can claim he deported more illegals than Bush. He changed the definition. Under the old definition, deportations have been hugely scaled back. Actual deportations are way down, but officially the #s were steady or even up.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 16, 2014 12:12 PM (ZPrif)

71 Am I gonna have to spork a bitch?

Posted by: zombie at April 16, 2014 12:12 PM (mizYg)

72 #58 Al, We returned ours with the warm body count that is required by law, but recall, this is not a census year.

Posted by: FCF at April 16, 2014 12:12 PM (Khja4)

73 I'm not even sure we're even getting a Harrumph! outta these Republicans, anymore.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lesbian Outreach Coordinator at April 16, 2014 12:12 PM (yFbI+)

Obama is a Chicago politician, from the same mold as every other machine politician ever was from the Gilded Age to now.

That is the only explanation you need for his actions.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Snow! AHHHHHHHH! at April 16, 2014 12:12 PM (hLRSq)

But Obama tells the prettiest lies! And, he really sticks it to those nasty racist, homophobic, sexist, evil, rich Rethuglikkkans.

Yup, he's our guy.....

Posted by: LIV at April 16, 2014 12:13 PM (DErq5)

76 Remember too, thanks to SCOAMF, we're producing more oil and natural gas than ever before!!!!!eleventy!!!!
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(thanks to private lands that he has no control over)

Posted by: more fun with numbers at April 16, 2014 12:13 PM (08jH8)

77 They call it home field advantage, when you employ the groundskeeper that installs the goal posts.
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Actually, it would appear that the same cohort is currently employing both teams' coaches and quarterback.

Team Obama and Team Romney would appear to be varsity and junior varsity technocrat U

Posted by: 18-1 at April 16, 2014 12:13 PM (78TbK)

78 Yea, don't get all "wee wee'd" up over this, simply add it to the pile of steaming, swirling turds that we call Obama policy.

Posted by: Seems legit at April 16, 2014 12:14 PM (jEV5Y)

20 -

I would think asking the same person both question would bias the results, one way or the other, but I'm mystified as to how this question could get asked differently. Isn't the question, do you have health insurance? How many other ways can that be asked?

Posted by: BurtTC at April 16, 2014 12:14 PM (TOk1P)

80 I *am* getting wee wee'd up!

Posted by: eleven at April 16, 2014 12:14 PM (GXZgZ)

81 Al not-so Sharpton just said that the story of Easter is really, in many ways, the story of Barack Obama. I just plain give up on attempting snark anymore. It's too hard to parody people who are already parodies of themselves.

Posted by: Citizen X at April 16, 2014 12:14 PM (7ObY1)

82 Lies, damned lies, and statistics. Benjamin Disraeli would be awed.

Posted by: Kevin in ABQ at April 16, 2014 12:15 PM (XrGnJ)

83 Obama seems to be an Apt Pupil.

Paging Stephen King.....

Posted by: grognard at April 16, 2014 12:15 PM (/29Nl)

84 And very recently, women only earn 77 cents on the dollar of what a man earns...

Posted by: more fun with numbers at April 16, 2014 12:15 PM (08jH8)

85 Propaganda changes reality. Lysenkoism is the essence at the core of Soviet communism. Obama is a Lysenkoist. You do the math. Posted by: zombie at April 16, 2014 04:10 PM (mizYg) I think this principle applies to what Liberals have done over the years through the courts. You get something declared legal, and there is a normalizing effect for it on the populace. Making something legal changes minds about it. Be it a fallacy or not, argumentum ad verecundium is correct in many people's minds.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 16, 2014 12:16 PM (bb5+k)

86 Al not-so Sharpton just said that the story of Easter is really, in many ways, the story of Barack Obama.
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Obama shows up at the good kids' houses and gives them chocolate coins and jellybeans?

Posted by: 18-1 at April 16, 2014 12:16 PM (78TbK)

87 And that's 35k who are so dirt dumb they don't even use a fake name or SS or birthday. And not one will be arrested. If you use a fake name the odds you get caught for vote fraud are basically 0%.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 16, 2014 12:16 PM (ZPrif)

88 64 A lot of words that can be boiled down to "everything this admin puts out is a lie". Posted by: Vic at April 16, 2014 04:11 PM (T2V/1) I like the phrasing "It's turtles all the way down." Puts a bit of humor to the concept.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 16, 2014 12:16 PM (bb5+k)

89 @41 That "methodology" was introduced in the mid 90's by the donks in order to pump up the economy and make it look as if it was as robust as the 80's. Gee who could that have benefitted?

Posted by: Kreplach at April 16, 2014 12:16 PM (gznAu)

90 Remember 1975? Gerald Ford walked around wearing a button that said W.I.N. - Whip Inflation Now. Ah, good times, good times. If Obama were president back then, he'd wear a button saying I.H.B.W.A. - Inflation Has Been Whipped Already. Saying it so makes it so, in Obama's World.

Posted by: zombie at April 16, 2014 12:17 PM (mizYg)

91 84 "Al not-so Sharpton just said that the story of Easter is really, in many ways, the story of Barack Obama. I just plain give up on attempting snark anymore. It's too hard to parody people who are already parodies of themselves." I think "some scientists" should test this hypothesis, but I'm betting Barky doesn't hop back up after three days.

Posted by: Stark Dickflüssig at April 16, 2014 12:17 PM (MbqmP)

92 Lies, damned lies, and statistics. Benjamin Disraeli would be awed.
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Hey, *I* am impressed.

Posted by: Goebbels at April 16, 2014 12:17 PM (78TbK)

93 I just filled your donut hole. You should thank me.

Posted by: Barky O'bumbles at April 16, 2014 12:17 PM (nTgAI)

94 For the Obamacide numbers just change it to "Lives Touched". That is a very wide net.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at April 16, 2014 12:17 PM (bX7ov)

95 Did they think the aflac duck spouting turds from the Oval Office on South Park was a compliment... or a plan.

MemeStateWaitForIt,

Yes

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at April 16, 2014 12:18 PM (DL2i+)

96
If you use a fake name the odds you get caught for vote fraud are basically 0%.
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I have no idea what you are talking about sir. Such a thing is unpossible.

Posted by: Doodad Pro at April 16, 2014 12:18 PM (78TbK)

58 -

Those are supposed to be two different things. The every ten year census vs. the surveys they do ever few years or so.

Only one has the power of law behind it, I believe. I don't see how they can MAKE you complete the ACS.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 16, 2014 12:18 PM (TOk1P)

98 obama's official state-slogan is Believe, isn't it? Or is it, Obey?

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lesbian Outreach Coordinator at April 16, 2014 12:18 PM (yFbI+)

99 THE pull quote from the McArdle piece really is this:

"I mean, I can certainly think of explanations, but I canÂ’t quite bring myself to believe the worst of them."

There you have it, ladies and gentlemen. Someone presented with the unambiguous plain proofs of massive dishonesty and corruption in this administration, and instead frantically grabbing about for any fragment of straw that might instead prove the lesser charge of incompetence.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 16, 2014 12:18 PM (noWW6)

100

Also, they've changed the metrics on the survey, but it was still survey data to begin with. Like the fake unemployment number, or any poll, it's an estimate based on statistical sampling which can be skewed any number of ways.

The payroll report is based on how many people actually get paid. I'm sure someone somewhere could add up the number of people actually insured by asking the finite number of actual insurers how many people they cover.

And it's probably mathematically possible to count the actual number of OCare enrollees, and even to subtract from that number the number of people who haven't paid. I mean, we're really good at counting how many have started to fill out a form on a web site.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at April 16, 2014 12:19 PM (JtwS4)

101 Only one has the power of law behind it, I believe. I don't see how they can MAKE you complete the ACS.
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Its a tax.

Posted by: John ROberts at April 16, 2014 12:19 PM (78TbK)

102 Revised Census Question: How many of the members of your household have health insurance, have seen an ad about insurance or think it would be neato to get pain medication drugs for free?

Posted by: jeannebodine at April 16, 2014 12:19 PM (2LJqa)

103 Why is she just getting around to being shocked now? Posted by: Lizzy at April 16, 2014 04:11 PM (IdOTf) She doesn't want to admit she made a mistake of judgement in the first place. She wants people to think that she was slowly persuaded to the position to which she has gravitated. (Which is that Obama is a fucking liar and con man.) She wants to maintain the notion that "Who could have predicted this man would have turned out to be a complete liar and fool", was a reasonable position when she voted for him.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 16, 2014 12:20 PM (bb5+k)

104 and instead frantically grabbing about for any fragment of straw that might instead prove the lesser charge of incompetence.
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If only someone would let the Fuhrer/Stalin/etc know about this outrage!

Posted by: Some LIV from a previous generation at April 16, 2014 12:20 PM (78TbK)

105 Notice also that McArdle is unwilling to just call a spade a spade and scream "This is all bullshit. This is a lie. Obama is purposefully destroying the data."

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 16, 2014 12:21 PM (ZPrif)

106 "obama's official state-slogan is Believe, isn't it? Or is it, Obey?"

Last I looked, it was "How's my ass taste?"

The response from the Beltway establishment Republicans, on their knees and gobbling away, is a muffled "Sublimely delicious, sir."

Posted by: torquewrench at April 16, 2014 12:21 PM (noWW6)

107 Big Swinging Al, I had one for work years ago that I had to fill out. I got it again last year & the year before too. They ask financial questions, expenses, Etc. It's in my mailbox to do for last year. It pisses me off & takes days. Last year I lied & said I had sent it in. I refused to make it easier & do online. I also got packet from BLS about payroll info. When I got monthly call I asked if it was required & woman said it was not. Woman who calls is very Nice or I wouldn't provide info.

Posted by: Carol at April 16, 2014 12:21 PM (PVNda)

108 Yeah, McCardle is just like Peggy Noonan -- Neither are really opposed to obama's policies, just the implementation and administration of the policies.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lesbian Outreach Coordinator at April 16, 2014 12:21 PM (yFbI+)

109 Wow, just lost my appetite, thanks ace. Well, honestly I do need to lose some weight.

Posted by: Max Power at April 16, 2014 12:21 PM (q177U)

110 Quit reading her long ago- she's a doofus, at best....

Posted by: backhoe at April 16, 2014 12:21 PM (ULH4o)

111 Revised census question: "Would you like a Seconol? Finish the survey."

Posted by: Mr. Dave at April 16, 2014 12:22 PM (bX7ov)

112

104 -

Heh. But of course. Thank you Dred Justice Roberts. I am set straight once more.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 16, 2014 12:22 PM (TOk1P)

113 Barack is never going to let you go back to living your life the same way....

Posted by: Michelle Obama at April 16, 2014 12:22 PM (Aif/5)

114 Mey Meghan kick this football

Posted by: Baraka "Lucy" Obama at April 16, 2014 12:22 PM (nTgAI)

115 Megan McArdle, to whom, as a economist/analyst, data are precious as diamonds, is shocked that Obama would decided to destroy any possibility of using census data to get an accurate analysis of the impact of Obamacare, but perhaps she shouldn't be all that shocked at all. Don't tell her about the Easter bunny.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 16, 2014 12:22 PM (xorT2)

116 108-in that sense, McArdle is a steaming load of shit.

Posted by: ejo at April 16, 2014 12:22 PM (GXvSO)

117

"I mean, I can certainly think of explanations, but I canÂ’t quite bring myself to believe the worst of them."

He's a Chicago politician so of course he's corrupt; you'll sooner find a virgin in a brothel than an uncorruptible Chicago politician. What is so difficult about that concept for people to believe?

All Chicago politicians are corrupt.

Obama is a Chicago politician.

Therefore Obama is corrupt.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Snow! AHHHHHHHH! at April 16, 2014 12:22 PM (hLRSq)

118 But McArdle is libertarian like us, right?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 16, 2014 12:23 PM (ZPrif)

119 Posted by: Carol at April 16, 2014 04:02 PM (DVPta) Valarie Jarrett

Posted by: Golfman in NC at April 16, 2014 12:23 PM (/djtm)

120 This post was due, and thank you for that. It's a hideous thing we are witnessing within our borders. And, no one seems to be able (or want) to stop it. I can only hope someone is keeping track of all of this, so that it all can be fixed down the road. And, I hope like hell that someone will gather the data needed to prove what a monstrosity this administration has been, and the real results of obamacare. History books are being rewritten by the left. But, true history would never be even remotely kind to this potus and his administration.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: ManCity 1 Sunderland 1 at April 16, 2014 12:23 PM (IXrOn)

121 >>Last I looked, it was "How's my ass taste?" 1st Term: "I WON" 2nd Term: "I have a pen and a phone" with the implication that he's just gonna go around Congress and create his own laws via EO.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 16, 2014 12:23 PM (IdOTf)

122

Oh, I say and I say it again, ya been had!

Ya'll been took!

Ya'll been hoodwinked!

Bamboozled!

Led astray!

Run amok!

This is what He does....

Posted by: Megan X at April 16, 2014 12:23 PM (DErq5)

123 Retweeted by John Nolte Kelly ‏@KLSouth 28m The Reagan economy versus the Obama economyÂ… Read it and weep-> pic.twitter.com/AcYMGu6PSt via @KRMullins1964

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 16, 2014 12:24 PM (ZPrif)

124

And you know who invented all this government measuring of everything? The commies. Cause you can't control the population unless you know exactly what they're up to.

You can't steal just enough of their grain to keep them barely alive without knowing how much grain is grown.

If the government wasn't measuring everything, they wouldn't know what needed to be fucked with/up. Every Crisis needs a statistic.

Global warming hockey sticks

Millions uninsured

77 cents on the dollar

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at April 16, 2014 12:24 PM (SO2Q8)

125 This isn't the first, or even the most sweeping change to the way GDP is calculated. http://patterico.com/2013/04/27/obama-manipulates-the-gdp-number-to-manipulate-you/

Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 16, 2014 12:24 PM (HLprW)

126 Nah, he's a stupid dumbass, but he knows how to lie and he knows ~~how to cover up lies,~~ No, his lies will be covered up by the Praetorian Press and any attempts to uncover said lies will be ruthlessly muddled by more lies. All being sucked down by an increasingly retarded populace who wants Mommy Government to pay for everything with money that doesn't exist, until the Magic Fed Money TreeÂ® cranks more out tomorrow, further debasing an increasingly worthless currency and ruining the purchasing power of the retarded populace who, want more immigrants because diversity..blah, blah, bade, blah....... Son of a fucking bitch people. Wake. The Fuck. Up.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at April 16, 2014 12:24 PM (rXUKI)

127 125 "I have a pen and a phone" with the implication that he's just gonna go around Congress and create his own laws via EO. Posted by: Lizzy What he really said is "My pen is a powerful tool."

Posted by: zombie at April 16, 2014 12:24 PM (mizYg)

128

They just never let up. I mean, don't these people ever get tired? Are they not in the least bit self-aware? At every level of the federal government, you've got people cooking numbers and formulating spin and persecuting political enemies, a bee-like hive of frantic activity like one of those corporate factory films from the Fifties.

I kind of rolled my eyes a little when people pointed out the framed Soviet-era posters on the walls of Jay Carney's house in that fawning magazine article. Now I'm think maybe Carney wasn't being ironic.

Posted by: troyriser at April 16, 2014 12:24 PM (2jF2B)

129 One of our fundamental problems is that our elites are almost ALL like McArdle...incompetent and terrified of challenging the status quo.

If a CEO could not figure out she had just signed a contract with a grifter for 6 years, and even at the end of that run was arguing that the grifter was just making some bad choices what would the company do with her?

And yet we have a whole slate of McArdles...

Posted by: 18-1 at April 16, 2014 12:24 PM (78TbK)

130 D -Lamp, I ignored TFG in 2008 & from what I had heard I could tell he was a sham, I like your description of con man.

Posted by: Carol at April 16, 2014 12:25 PM (J7sV0)

131 Well, honestly I do need to lose some weight.

Posted by: Max Power at April 16, 2014 04:21 PM (q177U)

Just lie about how much you weigh.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at April 16, 2014 12:25 PM (AC0lD)

132 I think his heart's in the right place and he is lookin' out for the little guy.. like I do

Posted by: Bill O'Reilly at April 16, 2014 12:25 PM (nCSwS)

133 I can only hope someone is keeping track of all of this, so that it all can be fixed down the road. I can only hope someone is keeping track of all of this, so that every one involved can be hung down the road.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 16, 2014 12:25 PM (xorT2)

134 And, kudos to Michelle Malkin for her book Culture of Corruption. Almost 10? years old and still apt.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: ManCity 1 Sunderland 1 at April 16, 2014 12:26 PM (IXrOn)

135 Barack Orwell is a lot smarter than the right gives him credit for being. And a lot more nefarious than anyone on the left can possibly imagine. This guy is bad news, for the Republic.

Posted by: MTF at April 16, 2014 12:26 PM (LISuA)

136 We can we start the revolution already?

Posted by: exsanguine at April 16, 2014 12:26 PM (WiAcn)

137 I can only hope someone is keeping track of all of this, so that every one involved can be hung down the road. Posted by: rickb223 at April 16, 2014 04:25 PM (xorT2) I don't always say what I really want to say here.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: ManCity 1 Sunderland 1 at April 16, 2014 12:26 PM (IXrOn)

138 Posted by: Bill O'Reilly at April 16, 2014 04:25 PM (nCSwS) Bill, you dumb fuck. His heart is not in the right place and is head is up his ass.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at April 16, 2014 12:26 PM (bX7ov)

139 "I recieved two big envelopes in the maiil from the Census Bureau. Something about my house has been picked for the American Community Survey. Wants to know who lives in my house (not names) and there are 48 detailed questions about each person. Crazy. I didnt do it and then got a call from them saying I need to do it or they will send a agent to call on our house. It's required by law."

We were all bitching about this on the ONT.

And yep, the feds will absolutely bulldog you with endless harassment until you either comply, or make it clear that you will not comply short of a judge's order. They will in fact come personally to your door and threaten you with punishment unless you submit.

One of the Horde was marveling at the incredible arrogant intrusiveness of the questionnaire (tailor-made for identity thieves, by the way) and saying that they couldn't believe that the rest of us hadn't made the thing up as a spoof.

I have to demur from that. A census community survey produced by the AoSHQ 'ettes and 'rons would have obvious giveaway questions in it.

-- Hobo scalps. How many are hanging from your living room wall?

-- Estimate your Val-U-Rite consumption in quarts per week.

-- Kate Upton. Trampoline, zero gee, or motorboat? Select only one.

-- Honey badgers versus ice weasels. Who will have ultimate victory?

Posted by: torquewrench at April 16, 2014 12:27 PM (noWW6)

140 And a lot of people made a big deal about me wanting to see this fuckhead's birth certificate.

Posted by: The Humpty at April 16, 2014 12:27 PM (hppbQ)

141 Imagine how boring it would be if things, you know, made sense.

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 16, 2014 12:27 PM (XUKZU)

142 Steiner will come.

Posted by: Megan McArdle at April 16, 2014 12:27 PM (QupBk)

143 Notice also that McArdle is unwilling to just call a spade a spade/b] . . White privilege dog whistle !!!

Posted by: McCool at April 16, 2014 12:27 PM (nCSwS)

144 They just never let up. I mean, don't these people ever get tired? Are they not in the least bit self-aware?
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If you described the current political goals of the establishment to the average American of say 1964 they would have called them flat out evil and asked what third world country you were talking about...

Yet somehow even questioning the current political paradigms of the ruling class is politically incorrect and neither of the political parties (as a whole organization) is willing to do so.

Posted by: 18-1 at April 16, 2014 12:27 PM (78TbK)

145 All of This...matters not. In 2016, hillary clinton rides in with a Clean Slate.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lesbian Outreach Coordinator at April 16, 2014 12:28 PM (yFbI+)

146 McArdle is about as right-wing as you are allowed to get in the mainstream media -- in other words, a libertarian who votes for hard-core socialists like Obama.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 16, 2014 12:28 PM (ZPrif)

147 When someone breaks the law, they ought to pay.

Oh, ignore that sound coming from my basement. Those aren't the cries of a young boy.

Posted by: Harry Reid at April 16, 2014 12:28 PM (F6KtL)

148 And the more you loonies scream about hillary clinton, the more The Media will frame you as cranks.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lesbian Outreach Coordinator at April 16, 2014 12:28 PM (yFbI+)

149 New Census data shows that old white Republican men are almost extinct. Why look! The election results (cough cough) perfectly match our new demographic data, with 98% of votes going to Democrats, which is totally believable and expected, since 98% of voters are in the progressive coalition.

Posted by: zombie at April 16, 2014 12:29 PM (mizYg)

150

139 -

There's no independent evidence of his intelligence. He listens to Valery Jarret, and she's taking her cues directly from the Alinsky playbook.

There's a way to fight them, but it doesn't need to be outsmarting them. I needs to be standing up to them at every turn, and right now nobody does that. Nobody.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 16, 2014 12:29 PM (TOk1P)

151 The only # from this bunch that might not be a lie is how many bullets they've bought for agencies which shouldn't be armed. Posted by: DaveA at April 16, 2014 03:59 PM (DL2i+) No, that's probably a lie too because my bet is that they've bought a lot more ammo than has been reported! Like NOAA buying ammo to discourage the climate "deniers" that want to take pictures of temperature monitoring stations located next to heat outlets or tarmac.

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 16, 2014 12:29 PM (o3MSL)

152 124, Every one in this admin belongs in jail!

Posted by: Carol at April 16, 2014 12:29 PM (IyKYr)

153 BigSwingingAl, I would think about asking over at Legal Insurrection. Lots of smart lawyer types over there that could put you to some knowledge.
Good luck and let the rest of the Horde know what you find.

Posted by: SnowyBits at April 16, 2014 12:29 PM (NqhG2)

154 How does any self-described libertarian like McArdle vote for Obama, who was rated the most left-wing Senator when in office -- even more left-wing than the actual socialist Bernie Sanders?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 16, 2014 12:29 PM (ZPrif)

155 1st Term: "I WON" 2nd Term: "I have a pen and a phone" with the implication that he's just gonna go around Congress and create his own laws via EO. Posted by: Lizzy at April 16, 2014 04:23 PM (IdOTf) 1st Term: "I WON" GOP: *whimper* 2nd Term: "I have a pen and a phone" with the implication that he's just gonna go around Congress and create his own laws via EO. GOP: *whimper*

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: ManCity 1 Sunderland 1 at April 16, 2014 12:29 PM (IXrOn)

156 And to think I cook the books. LOL.

Posted by: Mob Accountant at April 16, 2014 12:30 PM (F6KtL)

157 In 2016, hillary clinton rides in with a Clean ~~Slate~~ Benghazi. FIFY.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 16, 2014 12:30 PM (xorT2)

158 2nd Term: "I have a pen and a phone" - Yeah, well, Putin has got a pen, a phone and tanks.

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 16, 2014 12:30 PM (XUKZU)

159 Hmm. I detect a pattern here.

Posted by: A Guy Who's Really Good At Detecting Patterns at April 16, 2014 12:30 PM (8ZskC)

160 The election results (cough cough) perfectly match our new demographic data, with 98% of votes going to Democrats, which is totally believable and expected, since 98% of voters are in the progressive coalition. Posted by: zombie at April 16, 2014 04:29 PM (mizYg) And we expect these demographics to be borne out in the next election when every precinct will show a 98+% turnout for the Democrat candidate!

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 16, 2014 12:31 PM (o3MSL)

161 In 2016, hillary clinton rides in with a Clean Slate Benghazi
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He really is a great actor. I loved him in Ender's Game

Posted by: Your Average LIV at April 16, 2014 12:31 PM (78TbK)

162 Golfman, Someone more powerful than Val Jar, but she's pulling his strings.

Posted by: Carol at April 16, 2014 12:31 PM (IyKYr)

163 You know what we need. That's right! Moar training! White House Live ‏@WHLive 6m Obama: "WeÂ’re working with a bipartisan coalition of governors and mayors...to make job training partnerships a reality for more Americans."

Posted by: RWC at April 16, 2014 12:31 PM (fWAjv)

164 Apt Pupil?

Too transparent.

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 16, 2014 12:31 PM (5UteM)

165 Yeah, well, Putin has got a pen, a phone and tanks.
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And some really strong tea.

Posted by: Vlad Putin at April 16, 2014 12:32 PM (78TbK)

166 How does any self-described libertarian like McArdle vote for Obama She's either not a libertarian or doesn't know the meaning of the word. Hell, Maher used to call himself a libertarian until Breitbart called him on it.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 16, 2014 12:33 PM (HLprW)

167 Posted by: torquewrench at April 16, 2014 04:27 PM (noWW6) ___________________ I got one of those ACA packets too. They even followed up with several harassing phone calls as well. My response to them every time they called was to get in touch with my attorney. They were relentless. Eventually they dropped it.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 16, 2014 12:33 PM (32Ze2)

168 All I know is the economy on the GA coast has been virtually dead since, oh? 2008? When it was obvious the fix was in for teh JEF. No jobs. Real estate dead. Businesses dropping like flies. They still are. Coincidence?
You betcha....

Posted by: backhoe at April 16, 2014 12:33 PM (ULH4o)

169 Of course, all these jimmied numbers are ones we'll have to refute for decades. Remember how we killed 100,00 Iraqi civilians? That chesnut, though fabricated, is still bandied about.

Posted by: spongeworthy at April 16, 2014 12:33 PM (8Pg2o)

170 I was wondering where the #### that "Obama deporting more than Bush" lie came from and what statistical lie was used to achieve it. Now I know and have the explanation saved for cut N paste in comments sections in the future. Well done, Ace.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at April 16, 2014 12:34 PM (hn5v5)

171 Jennifer Rubin is another one with a head full of feces.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lesbian Outreach Coordinator at April 16, 2014 12:34 PM (yFbI+)

172 "Employed" can mean many things. Diverse things. Things that make up the rich glorious tapestry of human experience. It doesn't necessarily mean something as mundane as like, getting a regular paycheck.

Posted by: Your Friends at the U.S. Census Bureau at April 16, 2014 12:34 PM (8ZskC)

173 While the beltway crowd gets richer, and bulging with criminals. And, the Tea Party groups get targeted. And, Bundy's farm becomes a military zone.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: ManCity 2 Sunderland 2 at April 16, 2014 12:35 PM (IXrOn)

174 Yeah, well, Putin has got a pen, a phone and balls. Posted by: WalrusRex at April 16, 2014 04:30 PM (XUKZU) FIFY

Posted by: Golfman in NC at April 16, 2014 12:35 PM (/djtm)

175 This is not the hill to die on.

Posted by: GOP at April 16, 2014 12:36 PM (pgQxn)

176 Hey, backhoe, good to see you here. A few people had been wondering about your reduction in visits to the HQ, and if everything was all right.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 16, 2014 12:36 PM (noWW6)

177 You're forgetting to include the implementation of Common Core to the list of new numbers that will no longer be comparable to old numbers.

Posted by: taylork at April 16, 2014 12:37 PM (9bPUR)

178 I can only hope someone is keeping track of all of this, so that it all can be fixed down the road.

I can only hope someone is keeping track of all of this, so that every one involved can be hung down the road.

Do you really think they'll be time or consensus after the Managed Decline enters the terminal phase.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at April 16, 2014 12:37 PM (DL2i+)

179 Hell, Maher used to call himself a libertarian until Breitbart called him on it.
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Hey, I'm in favor of being free to tell you how you will live your life.

What could be more libertarian then that?

Posted by: Bill Maher at April 16, 2014 12:37 PM (78TbK)

180 Now I'm think maybe Carney wasn't being ironic. Posted by: troyriser at April 16, 2014 04:24 PM (2jF2B) Well, no shit, man. What press conference of complete bullshit, cooked data, willful ignorance and deliberate obtuseness tipped you off? It is what these people are. No irony involved.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at April 16, 2014 12:37 PM (rXUKI)

181 I have more rights than you

Posted by: The desert tortoise at April 16, 2014 12:37 PM (F6KtL)

182 The election results (cough cough) perfectly match our new demographic data, with 98% of votes going to Democrats, which is totally believable and expected, since 98% of voters are in the progressive coalition. In fact, the way we look at it, "conservatives" are so rare and out of step with our progressive society that we're just going to make them illegal. This common-sense approach will save all you reasonable folks the burden of having to listen to them. You're welcome.

Posted by: Your Friends at the Department of Justice at April 16, 2014 12:38 PM (8ZskC)

183 Posted by: torquewrench at April 16, 2014 04:36 PM (noWW6) Seconded. Googling Breitbart Maher

Posted by: Golfman in NC at April 16, 2014 12:38 PM (/djtm)

184 George Soros runs this administration. The man is evil personified.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at April 16, 2014 12:38 PM (Q8vlx)

185 Remember how we killed 100,00 Iraqi civilians? That chesnut, though fabricated, is still bandied about. I always toss out their made up numbers (500k) of how many we supposedly starved from 11 years of sanctions. "Yeah, sanctions had a 5:1 kill ratio over war but diplomacy was the answer, right?" Shuts 'em right the fuck up.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 16, 2014 12:38 PM (HLprW)

186 So... Can I change the method of reporting what guns I purchase?

You know, so it looks like I have fewer?

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, who does NOT speak for the Department of Commerce, Office of Inspector General at April 16, 2014 12:38 PM (fwARV)

187 181 --- Yep. If the tests don't show the "correct" results, change the tests. Welcome to the USSA!

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 16, 2014 12:39 PM (dfYL9)

188 There's a way to fight them, but it doesn't need to be outsmarting them. I needs to be standing up to them at every turn, and right now nobody does that. Nobody.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 16, 2014 04:29 PM (TOk1P)

What you're talking about takes leadership and bravery since the first ones to do what you're talking about are going to be personally and professionally ruined, if not imprisoned. So after you, Burt, and watch that first step.

Posted by: troyriser at April 16, 2014 12:39 PM (2jF2B)

189
White House Live ‏@WHLive 6m
Obama: "WeÂ’re working with a bipartisan coalition of governors and mayors...to make job training partnerships a reality for more Americans."

Posted by: RWC at April 16, 2014 04:31 PM (fWAjv)

So theirs a shortage of places to learn a vocation or is it a matter of signing up, showing up aka a desire.

Posted by: Peggy Noonan at April 16, 2014 12:39 PM (mETGQ)

190 Kate Upton. Trampoline, zero gee, or motorboat? Select only one.

Is brain lock an excusable medical issue, or drooling induced dehydration?

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at April 16, 2014 12:39 PM (DL2i+)

191
I think he also changed the way votes are counted.

All conspiracies are now probable (tm)

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 16, 2014 12:39 PM (hUf/y)

192 Posted by: zombie at April 16, 2014 04:29 PM (mizYg)

So young, yet so cynical.

It's almost as if you grew up in the cradle of progressivism, where the ends justify the means.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 16, 2014 12:39 PM (QFxY5)

193 This is not the hill to die on. Posted by: GOP at April 16, 2014 04:36 PM (pgQxn) But we're sure that such a hill will appear at some point in the future when things are really bleak and you can count on us to take a principled stand then!

Posted by: Hrothgar GOPe Spokeperson at April 16, 2014 12:39 PM (o3MSL)

194 Shuts 'em right the fuck up. Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 16, 2014 04:38 PM (HLprW) He was contained! Not a threat! By the way he needs ways to keep developing nukes so stop killing THE CHILDREN!!!

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 56% more DOOM! at April 16, 2014 12:40 PM (FA3Z7)

195 There's a reason why the most important title for the head honcho in the Soviet Union was "General Secretary".

Posted by: mrp at April 16, 2014 12:40 PM (JBggj)

196 Do you really think they'll be time or consensus after the Managed Decline enters the terminal phase. If everyone just took one & picked a tree....

Posted by: rickb223 at April 16, 2014 12:40 PM (xorT2)

197 FESTIVAL!

Posted by: toby928© blurts at April 16, 2014 12:41 PM (QupBk)

198 Yep. If the tests don't show the "correct" results, change the tests. -- That's what they did to the SAT. It was too "g-loaded". Fun fact: the SAT and PSAT no longer count as evidence in a Mensa application - because they no longer correlate with IQ. It was decorrelated on purpose in an attempt to get the results they wanted and get rid of embarrassing disparities.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 16, 2014 12:41 PM (ZPrif)

199 This is all too depressing. Think I'll go read that cashew story again.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 16, 2014 12:41 PM (IN7k+)

200 Hey, remember when America was free and government was trustworthy?

Posted by: MTF at April 16, 2014 12:42 PM (LISuA)

201 "I can only hope someone is keeping track of all of this, so that it all can be fixed down the road."

The other thing it would be nice to do "down the road" is return the computation of GDP to its original rules, before the Obama crew cynically gimmicked it last year to artifically add two-plus points.

And then retroactively recompute GDP for the 2013-2016 time frame to give the accurate, ungimmicked picture of the actual Obama economic record.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 16, 2014 12:42 PM (noWW6)

202 Hollywood is making a $100M pro-amnesty ad, I mean movie. Alex Marlow ‏@AlexMarlow Will Ferrell, Sony team for what will probably be a pro-amnesty movie (and a flop) ==> http://shar.es/TcBh1 via @noltenc

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 16, 2014 12:42 PM (ZPrif)

203 Hey, remember when America was free and government was trustworthy? Sound as the dollar.

Posted by: toby928© blurts at April 16, 2014 12:42 PM (QupBk)

204 Apt Pupil?! How dare you sully the reputations of strap-on wielding boys with that allusion!

Posted by: Eyes on the Prize at April 16, 2014 12:43 PM (wu/TK)

205 Hey, remember when America was free and government was trustworthy? I'm not that old. I'm only 51.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 16, 2014 12:43 PM (xorT2)

206 This is all too depressing. Think I'll go read that cashew story again. Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 16, 2014 04:41 PM (IN7k+) Why not come over to my house and help me kick my dog? I think I've sprained my ankle and could use the help!

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 16, 2014 12:43 PM (o3MSL)

207 Hollywood and Will Ferrell also think we need to get Corporate Money out of politics! Except for Sony's. And Ferrell's. Their money is ok in politics cause they are good liberals.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 16, 2014 12:43 PM (ZPrif)

208 And remember, even though this administration is cooking the books, using the bureaucracy against its political enemies, and withholding information in contempt of congress, they couldn't possibly be involved in any voter fraud. That's just over the line.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 16, 2014 12:43 PM (HLprW)

209 People called this kind of bullshit back in 2009 with the Census, though not necessarily this form of it. Back then, Obama offered then-Senator Judd "The Spud" Gregg (R-NH) the SecCommerce position as a way of "crossing the aisle" while simultaneously weakening the Republican's caucus. Obama then fumbled the ball by taking the Census from Commerce and put it under the White House, which caused Gregg to turn down the position and stick it to Obama during the remainder of his term. We all figured that they'd be finding ways to minimize the losses of population from Dem strongholds for the purposes of reapportioning Congressional districts rather than this, though.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at April 16, 2014 12:44 PM (APuJ7)

210 You'll hear the claim that " Obama has lowered the deficit the last five years."I'd like to see the convoluted " math" that they use to come up with this.

Posted by: steevy at April 16, 2014 12:44 PM (zqvg6)

211

For a change of outrage, Insty has a link to a Wired piece. The substance is accurately contained in the headline:

"Obama: NSA Must Reveal Bugs Like Heartbleed, Unless They Help the NSA".

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at April 16, 2014 12:44 PM (JtwS4)

212 When you control the mail, you control... information!

Posted by: newman at April 16, 2014 12:44 PM (hn5v5)

213

Anything but the following is unnecessary.

1. Were you uninsured over six months in the past five years?

2. Are you insured now?

Posted by: Sally at April 16, 2014 12:45 PM (m2CN7)

214 picked a tree...

We used to dream of trees.

Posted by: Hungry North Korean Python SockPuppet[/i][/b][/s] at April 16, 2014 12:45 PM (DL2i+)

215 The Yankees are honoring Nelson Mandela tonight at the Stadium? Jesus fuckin Christ why?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 16, 2014 12:46 PM (nzKvP)

216
Now inoperative:

Crime doesn't pay.

Cheaters never prosper.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 16, 2014 12:46 PM (hUf/y)

217 If you could be a tree, what kind of tree would you be?

Posted by: The All-New Census at April 16, 2014 12:46 PM (FcR7P)

218 180?

torquewrench ?

Thanks- I had a really bad flare up of RA over a month ago when I had to get out in cold and rain to get my tax papers to my CPA- still walking with a staff. OTOH he determined I was so poor I didn't even have to file a return. Then an old sinus infection came back- and the jackass doc who treated the last one would not renew the antibiotic scrip over the phone. He wanted to see me but I could not make the walk- tarnation....

Posted by: backhoe at April 16, 2014 12:46 PM (ULH4o)

219 You'll hear the claim that " Obama has lowered the deficit the last five years
___
See I took a $250B deficit, raised it to $1.5T, and then "cut" it to $600B!

I am the deficit slayer!

Posted by: Barack Obama at April 16, 2014 12:46 PM (78TbK)

220 Obama has lowered the deficit the last five years.
That one, too, Steevy. It's so obviously false that I don't bother trying to "prove" it on the Net; I just call it a lie. I think it's some convoluted bullshit involving what the dollar is worth now as compared with then.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at April 16, 2014 12:47 PM (hn5v5)

221 Annual deficits have shrunk in recent years. We're only going a half trillion into debt each year now instead of a trillion. Yaay.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 16, 2014 12:47 PM (ZPrif)

222 Oh and what the fuck guess who is at the pressor for that bullshit al fuckin the head sharpton. Good G-D when will this shit ever end

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 16, 2014 12:47 PM (nzKvP)

223 The Yankees are honoring Nelson Mandela tonight at the Stadium? Jesus fuckin Christ why? His principled opposition to the Designated Hitter rule?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 16, 2014 12:48 PM (8ZskC)

224 Now inoperative: Crime doesn't pay. Cheaters never prosper. Oh crime pays. All those guys in prison are the stupid ones.

Posted by: eleven at April 16, 2014 12:48 PM (GXZgZ)

225 Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 16, 2014 04:46 PM (nzKvP)

Jackie Robinson Day has morphed into perpetual grievance day.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 16, 2014 12:48 PM (QFxY5)

226 I saw an episode of Last Man Standing.Tim Allen's character likes to zing Obama and Hector Elizondo's character fires back with that " reduced the deficit the last five years" bullshit.The Allen character just came back with a joke instead of calling bullshit.

Posted by: steevy at April 16, 2014 12:49 PM (zqvg6)

227 Who can trust any of the numbers pumped out by our government anymore? We used to have a conceit in this country that our numbers, at least, were accurate, unlike the rest of the world. That doesn't hold true anymore.

Posted by: ejo at April 16, 2014 12:49 PM (GXvSO)

228 Fuck Will ferrel right in the ass with a flameing SR-71 at Mach 3

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at April 16, 2014 12:49 PM (Q8vlx)

229 Megan McCardle's name should be Pollyana McGullible.

Posted by: AJ Lynch at April 16, 2014 12:49 PM (ASPsd)

230 The Soviet Union had awesome production and employment numbers. Right up until it collapsed.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 16, 2014 12:50 PM (8ZskC)

231 "You'll hear the claim that " Obama has lowered the deficit the last five years." Simple future tense? Pffft, I've seen this too many times to count in the past couple of years. When I point out that we still have record deficits, that shuts 'em right up too.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 16, 2014 12:50 PM (HLprW)

232 Can Arthur Anderson be resurrected from the dead? The Government pushes phony numbers in a way that is beyond the dreams of Bernie Madoff.

Posted by: ejo at April 16, 2014 12:50 PM (GXvSO)

233
New York/New Jersey Moron Meet-up

Thursday, May 1st
6pm-9pm
West Village

All Morons and their handlers are welcome.

for additional info, email me at:

nynjmeet at optimum dot net

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 16, 2014 12:51 PM (QFxY5)

234 http://tinyurl.com/42bjr2g

This is what they'll build over Bundy's Ranch, except the lack of water will slow the weed growth.

Posted by: Bill sometimes bill from Canada at April 16, 2014 12:51 PM (CbU3W)

235 The Yankees are honoring Nelson Mandela tonight at the Stadium? Jesus fuckin Christ why? Because... New York

Posted by: Beyond Disgusted at April 16, 2014 12:51 PM (thLL8)

236 Fuck Will ferrel right in the ass with a flameing SR-71 at Mach 3 I don't want to know. I going to look at puppies instead.

Posted by: eleven at April 16, 2014 12:51 PM (GXZgZ)

237 " saw an episode of Last Man Standing.Tim Allen's character likes to zing Obama and Hector Elizondo's character fires back with that " reduced the deficit the last five years" bullshit." that's how libs argue. There is no reply or counterargument

Posted by: joeindc44 at April 16, 2014 12:51 PM (DTVYh)

238 I don't always say what I really want to say here. Posted by: artisanal 'ette: ManCity 1 Sunderland 1 at April 16, 2014 04:26 PM (IXrOn) One does not.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 16, 2014 12:52 PM (bb5+k)

239 Anyone else feel like they're out on a limb and the GOP is oiling up their chainsaw? Could be just me.

Posted by: Beyond Disgusted at April 16, 2014 12:52 PM (thLL8)

240 This is what they'll build over Bundy's Ranch, except the lack of water will slow the weed growth. But the turtles will finally have some shade.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 16, 2014 12:53 PM (8ZskC)

241 Jackie Robinson Day has morphed into perpetual grievance day. Quick! Someone get Hank Aaron on.the phone!

Posted by: rickb223 at April 16, 2014 12:53 PM (xorT2)

242 I am depressed....

Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at April 16, 2014 12:53 PM (9+ccr)

243 There's a way to fight them, but it doesn't need to be outsmarting them. I needs to be standing up to them at every turn, and right now nobody does that. Nobody. Posted by: BurtTC at April 16, 2014 04:29 PM (TOk1P) And this is what I think too.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 16, 2014 12:53 PM (bb5+k)

244 241 http://tinyurl.com/42bjr2g This is what they'll build over Bundy's Ranch, except the lack of water will slow the weed growth. --- Not 100% accurate... They're building a shithole like that about 90 minutes away from Bundy's ranch. Bundy's ranch will be turned into desert habitat as a make-good for the desert habitat that the Chinese company is destroying to put up that monstrosity.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at April 16, 2014 12:54 PM (APuJ7)

245

Republicans cut entitlements mean they agreed to reduce increases from 6% to 3%.

Obama cuts deficit means he has reduced the record deficit he created to just not as big a record deficit.

Posted by: polynikes at April 16, 2014 12:54 PM (m2CN7)

246 I am depressed.... I think a LOLcat post would be in order.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 16, 2014 12:54 PM (8ZskC)

247 BRB, I feel my long term health stimulus (aka Turbo-Lax) taking effect.

Posted by: bergerbilder at April 16, 2014 12:54 PM (8MjqI)

248 248 Jackie Robinson Day has morphed into perpetual grievance day. Quick! Someone get Hank Aaron on.the phone! --- Did Mark fucking Madden call up Hank's worthless ass again?

Posted by: Cowboy Bill Watts at April 16, 2014 12:54 PM (APuJ7)

249 We know too much. I wish I could be an LIV sometimes. My stress level would welcome that ignorance. It is tough watching the country sideswipe the Iceberg because we know what comes next. I dread the future. Not a good mental space to occupy.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 16, 2014 12:54 PM (32Ze2)

250 it really is 1984 and new speak lies all the way down everything is political so very depressing

Posted by: thunderb at April 16, 2014 12:55 PM (zOTsN)

251 So Will Ferrell is sabotaging his own career. Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 16, 2014 12:55 PM (HLprW)

252 What you're talking about takes leadership and bravery since the first ones to do what you're talking about are going to be personally and professionally ruined, if not imprisoned. Soafter you, Burt, and watch that first step. Posted by: troyriser at April 16, 2014 04:39 PM (2jF2B) We are all in a position of needing to confront the camp guards with our superior numbers. Who goes first is exactly right.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 16, 2014 12:56 PM (bb5+k)

253 We've always been at war with EastasiaÂ…

Posted by: INGSOC at April 16, 2014 12:56 PM (CTCNK)

254 America is racist. Just ask any millionaire black athletes, entertainer, politician, or celebrity about what subhuman vermin the white trailer trash are.

Posted by: Progtard 2000 at April 16, 2014 12:56 PM (ZPrif)

255 Jackie Robinson Day has morphed into perpetual grievance day.

Rickie Weeks and Carlos Gomze both struck out with the bases loaded. There's MY grievance.

Posted by: HR at April 16, 2014 12:56 PM (ZKzrr)

256 Read the history of the USSR -- not so much all the salacious gulag stuff, but the everyday administrative and operational stuff. Seriously, it's exactly where we're headed.

Posted by: SFGoth at April 16, 2014 12:56 PM (m/OTB)

257 207--- Hollywood is making a $100M pro-amnesty ad, I mean movie. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 16, 2014 04:42 PM (ZPrif) ------------------ They should just re-release La Misma Luna (Under the Same Moon) which actually was a very good movie. Or Spanglish, which almost reached the heights of mediocrity. Almost. What I love about these flicks is that the star, usually a female, is always a 100% white, aristocratic babe like Paz Vega or Kate de Castillo who is coming here to work as a maid or dishwasher. And she never so much as sees a welfare office. Riiiiiiight.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 16, 2014 12:57 PM (dfYL9)

258

193 -

This is why I still don't think we can be certain Breitbart died of natural causes.

It's in their playbook too.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 16, 2014 12:57 PM (TOk1P)

259 Hollywood is making a $100M pro-amnesty ad, I mean movie.

I seem to have missed The Jamiel Shaw Story. C'mon, Denzel.
http://is.gd/AeKkGs

Posted by: HR at April 16, 2014 12:59 PM (ZKzrr)

260 We know too much. I wish I could be an LIV sometimes. My stress level would welcome that ignorance. It is tough watching the country sideswipe the Iceberg because we know what comes next. I dread the future. I'll stay with what I know. Hopefully I won't be caught off guard when the Burning Times come. I'll be able to read the signs & act accordingly.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 16, 2014 12:59 PM (xorT2)

261 205 Hey, remember when America was free and government was trustworthy? Posted by: MTF at April 16, 2014 04:42 PM (LISuA) That small period of time after the Northern states gave up slavery and before the civil war? No, i'm too young to remember that. Not sure it was really trustworthy even then, but no obvious scandals come to mind regarding that period of history. Perhaps the Indian removal act of 1834, but that was okay because they weren't citizens.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 16, 2014 01:00 PM (bb5+k)

262 MLS announcing new team in Atlanta. Press conference live at LIVE NOW: Watch MLS announcement of new Atlanta soccer team http://on.11alive.com/1j2IAKY Crowd is chanting "Vamanos Atlanta"

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 16, 2014 01:00 PM (ZPrif)

263 It's important, heading into elections, that we focus all of our efforts to reinstate deporting the families of those serving in the active military. Of course, it might be best to wait until they're deployed overseas before we kick their doors in and drag the children to the waiting SUVs. It makes for more dramatic video too. We're conservative purists. We know how to make a splash with the public in the run up to elections we should have in the bag. Let's handle this with smart politics we're famous for.

Posted by: jwest at April 16, 2014 01:02 PM (u2a4R)

264 I've been a participant in this quarterly census study Megan is talking about. Thought I was doing my patriotic duty. At this point, they can take their census study and stuff it. I'm through.

Posted by: Elmer Stoup at April 16, 2014 01:02 PM (ePknf)

265 270 ---Well, I guess it's better than "Vamanos, Mexico."

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 16, 2014 01:03 PM (dfYL9)

266 This post is making my head get all 'splodey . . .

Posted by: Donna Dixon at April 16, 2014 01:03 PM (8lmkt)

267 It's important, heading into elections, that we focus all of our efforts to reinstate deporting the families of those serving in the active military. Of course, it might be best to wait until they're deployed overseas before we kick their doors in and drag the children to the waiting SUVs. It makes for more dramatic video too. We're conservative purists. We know how to make a splash with the public in the run up to elections we should have in the bag. Let's handle this with smart politics we're famous for. Posted by: jwest fuck off drama queen please give one example anywhere where this happened no go light yourself on fire with all those strawmen

Posted by: thunderb at April 16, 2014 01:03 PM (zOTsN)

268 oops, didn't change my sock from last night.

Posted by: Peaches at April 16, 2014 01:03 PM (8lmkt)

269 So Will Ferrell is sabotaging his own career.

I believe that ship sailed some time ago...

Posted by: tu3031 at April 16, 2014 01:04 PM (nsQhi)

270 One of the things that foreigners often tell you when you work on development projects overseas is something like "I can guarantee you, your statistics about us will be better than our own." What happens when the world no longer believes this about us?

Posted by: Skookumchuk at April 16, 2014 01:05 PM (OSzB9)

271 Why don't they just come out and say we are no longer going to measure insurance coverage, because 100% of American and non-Americans are covered? Wouldn't that be easier? I mean honestly, the media would repeat it and the discussion would be over, except for the White House produced specials airing in prime time extolling Dear Leaders successes....

Posted by: shibumi who is exceptionally cynical today at April 16, 2014 01:05 PM (25HWz)

272 Uh, TMZ says some rapper from WuTang cut off his own dick.

Posted by: Separate but Stupid at April 16, 2014 01:06 PM (ZPrif)

273 256 We know too much. I wish I could be an LIV sometimes. My stress level would welcome that ignorance. It is tough watching the country sideswipe the Iceberg because we know what comes next. I dread the future. Not a good mental space to occupy. Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 16, 2014 04:54 PM (32Ze2) As I have mentioned several times before, I'd much rather live in a world of roses and sunshine than the gloomy place I see around me. If you don't fear for the future, you aren't paying attention. The good news is that your contact with the horrors will likely be brief. It's those of us who see it coming that may very well have to endure it for awhile.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 16, 2014 01:06 PM (bb5+k)

274 Strawmen gettin' an ass-whoopin' today around the HQ.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 16, 2014 01:06 PM (HLprW)

275 Strawmen gettin' an ass-whoopin' today around the HQ.

Forget the liquor cabinet, I want the key to the flamethrower.

Posted by: HR at April 16, 2014 01:07 PM (ZKzrr)

276 Uh, TMZ says some rapper from WuTang cut off his own dick. Brown acid is a bitch.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 16, 2014 01:07 PM (xorT2)

277

275 -

It's funny how he shows up and pollutes the bottoms of threads.

Like the scum that settles in the sewers after a heavy rain.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 16, 2014 01:07 PM (TOk1P)

278

Posted by: troyriser at April 16, 2014 04:39 PM (2jF2B)

I've been fortunate to be living in Texas and not have had any direct injustice forced upon me by the government. Yet. I would like to think that I would not just take it because I am only thinking of my personal safety. It definitely would be against my nature if history is any indication. You never know though.

Posted by: polynikes at April 16, 2014 01:08 PM (m2CN7)

279 reality is bad enough I don't need extra curricular hyperventilating from imaginary scenarios

Posted by: thunderb at April 16, 2014 01:08 PM (zOTsN)

280 I was 'positively impacted' by Obama's jobs spending.

Fortunately, Ex-Lax cleared that up.

Posted by: Sphynx at April 16, 2014 01:08 PM (OZmbA)

281 Uh, TMZ says some rapper from WuTang cut off his own dick.
Is his name "Tranny J"?

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at April 16, 2014 01:08 PM (hn5v5)

282 "It's funny how he shows up and pollutes the bottoms of threads." To me the funny thing is just how seriously he takes himself.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 16, 2014 01:09 PM (HLprW)

283 Uh, TMZ says some rapper from WuTang cut off his own dick. Is his name "Tranny J"? Is now.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 16, 2014 01:09 PM (xorT2)

284 "Annual deficits have shrunk in recent years. We're only going a half trillion into debt each year now instead of a trillion."

I wouldn't be too quick to trust those figures, either.

The administration and CBO were claiming the 2013 deficit was going to be down to "only" the $600B range. (Which illustrates how insane things are, when you think about it, that six hundred billion is the low end of the range.)

The GAO said, hey, not so fast, we added up the actual fiscal year revenue versus the actual fiscal year outlays, and the 2013 deficit was still in the trillion dollar range.

Of course, the press, instead of pointing out that crucial economic data are being gamed to where those data are no longer reliable for decision making, had more important things to cover. Kardashians!

Posted by: torquewrench at April 16, 2014 01:10 PM (noWW6)

285 I'll stay with what I know. Hopefully I won't be caught off guard when the Burning Times come. I'll be able to read the signs & act accordingly. Posted by: rickb223 at April 16, 2014 04:59 PM (xorT2) Dr. Leo Szilard (The man I consider to be the rightful father of Atomic fission) left Nazi German on the very last day that it was possible for a Jew to do so. Furthermore, if you read up on him, he was almost prophetic in his ability to always be in the right place at the right time. I doubt most of us will see it coming to the extent that he was able.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 16, 2014 01:10 PM (bb5+k)

286 Fox News to Launch Â‘Outnumbered,Â’ a Noontime Panel Show, April 28 Four rotating women and a guy. FOXNEWS Strong !!!

Posted by: Beyond Disgusted at April 16, 2014 01:11 PM (thLL8)

287 TMZ says it was a suicide attempt. Maybe he really thought it was the main vein and not just an expression.

Posted by: Separate but Stupid at April 16, 2014 01:11 PM (ZPrif)

288 The deficit that GHW Bush had to scrap his no new taxes promise because it was such a dire threat?$200 billion.

Posted by: steevy at April 16, 2014 01:11 PM (zqvg6)

289 "please give one example anywhere where this happened no go light yourself on fire with all those strawmen" Posted by: thunderb at April 16, 2014 05:03 PM (zOTsN) Politics is such a complicated subject, it must make you head spin. You don't need for anything to actually happen, you simple bitch, it's the narrative that matters. Now, they are the ones standing up for families of the military and our crazy extremists are the cruel fuckers screaming for them to be thrown out of the country. Looks good on the evening news, doesn't it? You see, sometimes you can't have all the crazy you want.

Posted by: jwest at April 16, 2014 01:11 PM (u2a4R)

290 Palate cleanser.
http://is.gd/9bGLWf

Posted by: HR at April 16, 2014 01:11 PM (ZKzrr)

291 271 It's important, heading into elections, that we focus all of our efforts to reinstate deporting the families of those serving in the active military. Let's handle this with smart politics we're famous for. Posted by: jwest at April 16, 2014 05:02 PM (u2a4R) WTF are you talking about?

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 16, 2014 01:12 PM (bb5+k)

292 "Anyone else feel like they're out on a limb and the GOP is oiling up their chainsaw?"

We're oiling _something_ up, if you know what we mean and we think you do.

Posted by: The GOP Establishment at April 16, 2014 01:12 PM (noWW6)

293 How about some pictures of cute Kittehs...

Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at April 16, 2014 01:12 PM (9+ccr)

294 I love how jwest always says "we" when referring to conservatives. You know, like he is actually a conservative, instead of the soft fascist he actually is. Dude, you're not a tool. I admit it. You're the whole fucking tool box.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 16, 2014 01:13 PM (yz6yg)

295

296 -

"Fox News to Launch Â‘Outnumbered,Â’ a Noontime Panel Show, April 28

Four rotating women and a guy."

That's all we need, more dizzy broads on tv.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 16, 2014 01:13 PM (TOk1P)

296 Sigh. Remember, back before the election of 2008, when Democrats were so concerned about being fiscally responsible or at least claimed they could be. Good ol' days.

You don't hear that much any more.

Posted by: Sphynx at April 16, 2014 01:13 PM (OZmbA)

297 Pale Moon supports the AoSIgnoreUser feature, Chrome and Iron do not. Just sayin'

Posted by: toby928© blurts at April 16, 2014 01:13 PM (QupBk)

298 Dr. Leo Szilard (The man I consider to be the rightful father of Atomic fission) left Nazi German on the very last day that it was possible for a Jew to do so. Furthermore, if you read up on him, he was almost prophetic in his ability to always be in the right place at the right time.

IIRC, he was also a blabbermouth, who managed to infuriate Churchill, because he decided to conduct his own diplomacy to try and stop the use of the bomb. Apparently, Churchill was right, and Szilard was subtly shuttled away from the Manhattan Project.

Posted by: pep at April 16, 2014 01:13 PM (4nR9/)

299

Posted by: jwest

Elian Gonzales would like a word with you...

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, who does NOT speak for the Department of Commerce, Office of Inspector General at April 16, 2014 01:13 PM (fwARV)

300 295?
D-Lamp?

I honestly don't know what I see coming. All I can do is keep my head down and look out for the few people who cared about me after Miss Emily's death.

Posted by: backhoe at April 16, 2014 01:13 PM (ULH4o)

301 Politics is such a complicated subject, it must make you head spin. You don't need for anything to actually happen, you simple bitch, it's the narrative that matters. Now, they are the ones standing up for families of the military and our crazy extremists are the cruel fuckers screaming for them to be thrown out of the country. Looks good on the evening news, doesn't it? You see, sometimes you can't have all the crazy you want. Posted by: jwest not one example cause there aren't any please go breathe into a paper bag calm down and call your doctor

Posted by: thunderb at April 16, 2014 01:14 PM (zOTsN)

302

Obama?
Never heard of him.

Posted by: Charles Gibson at April 16, 2014 01:14 PM (mETGQ)

303 Activated

Posted by: Voices inside jwest's head at April 16, 2014 01:15 PM (TOk1P)

304 Bored

Posted by: Demons inside jwest's soul at April 16, 2014 01:16 PM (TOk1P)

305 Activated Posted by: Voices inside jwest's head at April 16, 2014 05:15 PM (TOk1P) Can you tell him to go suck on an exhaust pipe? I'm just askingÂ….for a friend.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 16, 2014 01:17 PM (yz6yg)

306 its too crowded in here

Posted by: strawmen at April 16, 2014 01:17 PM (zOTsN)

307 Nude Malignant Dwarf Thread

Posted by: toby928© blurts at April 16, 2014 01:17 PM (QupBk)

308 $25,000 vouchers for illegals that come here!

Posted by: Joost at April 16, 2014 01:17 PM (Aif/5)

309

Posted by: jwest at April 16, 2014 05:11 PM (u2a4R)

No , in this scenario you would need an example. Specific charges need specific examples. Even the lefty news media knows not to present a specific narrative unless its occurred at least once. I concede that one crackpot they associate with the right is not so difficult to find. Hasn't happened yet.

Posted by: polynikes at April 16, 2014 01:17 PM (m2CN7)

310 Tickled

Posted by: Polyps inside jwest's colon at April 16, 2014 01:17 PM (TOk1P)

311 Posted by: jwest at April 16, 2014 05:11 PM (u2a4R) Again, WTF are you talking about?

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 16, 2014 01:17 PM (bb5+k)

312 What I love about these flicks is that the star, usually a female, is always a 100% white, aristocratic babe like Paz Vega or Kate de Castillo who is coming here to work as a maid or dishwasher. And she never so much as sees a welfare office. Riiiiiiight. --- It depends who makes the movie. El Norte was an American / British film from 1983 which did things right IMHO.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at April 16, 2014 01:17 PM (APuJ7)

313 can't...breath.....need....air help...... me

Posted by: jwest brain cells at April 16, 2014 01:18 PM (zOTsN)

314

Q: How do jwest's brain cells die?

A: Alone.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, who does NOT speak for the Department of Commerce, Office of Inspector General at April 16, 2014 01:19 PM (fwARV)

315 Again, WTF are you talking about? Posted by: D-Lamp at April 16, 2014 05:17 PM (bb5+k) Dude, don't waste your time. Unless you've figured out a way to drop 70 IQ points in 30 seconds, you're never going to be able to understand it.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 16, 2014 01:19 PM (yz6yg)

316

>>"I Â’m speechless. Shocked. Stunned. Horrified. Befuddled. Aghast, appalled, thunderstruck, perplexed, baffled, bewildered and dumbfounded."

That's the fuc*ing problem. They're always "shocked." It seems like some kind of phenomenal cognitive impairment shared by the commentariat. How many times are they going to "shocked" by Obama? What does it take to figure this guy out? How can smart people be this stupid?

Posted by: rrpjr at April 16, 2014 01:19 PM (s/yC1)

317 "You'll hear the claim that " Obama has lowered the deficit the last five years." They also credit Bush with the first trillion deficit budget (2009) even though it included Stimulus and had Obama's signature on it. Remember Nancy delayed it and porked it up so Historic First could sign it and save America.

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at April 16, 2014 01:20 PM (9Bdcz)

318 That's the fuc*ing problem. They're always "shocked." It seems like some kind of phenomenal cognitive impairment shared by the commentariat. How many times are they going to "shocked" by Obama? What does it take to figure this guy out? How can smart people be this stupid? Posted by: rrpjr at April 16, 2014 05:19 PM (s/yC1) Why, whatever do you mean?!??!

Posted by: The Harvard Faculty [/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 16, 2014 01:20 PM (yz6yg)

319 lonely I'm Mr Lonely

Posted by: logic in jwest's arguments at April 16, 2014 01:20 PM (zOTsN)

320 Lonely I'm Mr. Lonely

Posted by: facts in jwest's arguments at April 16, 2014 01:21 PM (zOTsN)

321 "No , in this scenario you would need an example." Posted by: polynikes at April 16, 2014 05:17 PM (m2CN7) No, in this scenario you don't need an example. All you need is a phrase like this: "He (Obama) has stopped the deportation of relatives of military members..." You don't need times, places, names or pictures. The media is reporting this as the fact and that's all LIVs need.

Posted by: jwest at April 16, 2014 01:21 PM (u2a4R)

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Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at April 16, 2014 01:21 PM (hn5v5)

323 The stupidÂ….it burns. It burns.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 16, 2014 01:22 PM (yz6yg)

324 322 - Yes! I forgot that one. El Norte was indeed quite good.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 16, 2014 01:24 PM (dfYL9)

325 >>> * I mean, WTF -- we pay people to round up turtles and give them 'death with dignity' or some such nonsense? STWIWGO They use little bitty helicopters to round them up. Sometimes the babies get trampled.

Posted by: bergerbilder at April 16, 2014 01:24 PM (8MjqI)

326 IIRC, he was also a blabbermouth, who managed to infuriate Churchill, because he decided to conduct his own diplomacy to try and stop the use of the bomb. Apparently, Churchill was right, and Szilard was subtly shuttled away from the Manhattan Project. Posted by: pep at April 16, 2014 05:13 PM (4nR9/) Yeah, that was seemingly a problem with more than one scientist at the time. I personally think Klaus Fuchs should have been shot.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 16, 2014 01:25 PM (bb5+k)

327 they will accuse republicans of supporting cannibalism like "hey, if you cut food stamps, people will resort to cannibalism" then the media will be all "Hey, those icky republicans like cannibalism!!!" And then I will have to go to dinner parties and explain how I, unlike those purists, do not support cannibalism DUH stupid bitch

Posted by: jwest at April 16, 2014 01:25 PM (zOTsN)

328 That's the fuc*ing problem. They're always "shocked." It seems like some kind of phenomenal cognitive impairment shared by the commentariat. How many times are they going to "shocked" by Obama? What does it take to figure this guy out? How can smart people be this stupid? Posted by: rrpjr

Â“There are some ideas so absurd that only an intellectual could believe them.Â”

Posted by: George Orwell at April 16, 2014 01:25 PM (4nR9/)

329 >>BurtTC You have something against rotating women?

Posted by: Aviator at April 16, 2014 01:26 PM (3rrMW)

330 I prefer a woman who rotates

Posted by: jwest at April 16, 2014 01:27 PM (zOTsN)

331 DUH stupid bitch Posted by: jwest at April 16, 2014 05:25 PM (zOTsN) http://tinyurl.com/bwxuvfg

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 16, 2014 01:27 PM (yz6yg)

332 Yeah, that was seemingly a problem with more than one scientist at the time. I personally think Klaus Fuchs should have been shot.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 16, 2014 05:25 PM (bb5+k)

RINO. I'd have gone for listening to the collected speeches of Barack Obama.

Posted by: pep at April 16, 2014 01:28 PM (4nR9/)

333 "He (Obama) has stopped the deportation of relatives of military members..." You don't need times, places, names or pictures. The media is reporting this as the fact and that's all LIVs need. Posted by: jwest at April 16, 2014 05:21 PM (u2a4R) Oh, now I see where you're going with this. I interpret this as "Media Delenda est!"

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 16, 2014 01:29 PM (bb5+k)

334 Considering that Bark-O has shot his wad with the credibility factor I'm doubting he gets it back by manipulating Census data. People know what they've suffered because of his policies and no amount of numbering fudging changes that.

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at April 16, 2014 01:32 PM (VIo0S)

335 sorry for feeding the troll y'all I'm just a simple bitch, but he is still a drama queen!

Posted by: thunderb at April 16, 2014 01:32 PM (zOTsN)

336 Here is the DEAD simple way to make this change and yet have no effect on the ability to measure the effectiveness of Obamacare: Ask BOTH fucking sets of questions. That is moronically simple. And because they didn't take the moronically simple route, there is but one explanation - they WANT this confusion. And, of course, not a single person that visits this blog, nor anyone that leans right and has two brain cells to rub together is surprised by this fact.

Posted by: deadrody at April 16, 2014 01:33 PM (+Dpo7)

337 simple bitch says nood

Posted by: thunderb at April 16, 2014 01:34 PM (zOTsN)

338

He (Obama) has stopped the deportation of relatives of military members..."

You don't need times, places, names or pictures. The media is reporting this as the fact and that's all LIVs need.

Posted by: jwest at April 16, 2014 05:21 PM (u2a4R

How does that translate to Republicans were demanding deportation?

Posted by: polynikes at April 16, 2014 01:44 PM (m2CN7)

339 How does that translate to Republicans were demanding deportation?

Posted by: polynikes at April 16, 2014 05:44 PM (m2CN7)

Which you accused them of doing.

Posted by: polynikes at April 16, 2014 01:46 PM (m2CN7)

340 I was in a meeting once where the topic was how to raise profits for the upcoming year. A jokester yelled out, "Change to a fiscal year ending Jan. 31, thereby picking up an extra month." This administration is THAT bad. I have long wondered what is the true unemployment rate. I haven't trusted any government numbers for 5 years.

Posted by: Seattle Lurker at April 16, 2014 01:49 PM (gUy/B)

341 "How does that translate to Republicans were demanding deportation?" Posted by: polynikes at April 16, 2014 05:44 PM (m2CN7) When the media reports that: "He (Obama) has stopped the deportation of relatives of military members..." What immediately comes into your mind? Is it that: A) Hillary Clinton was deporting the families of servicemen and Obama stopped her. B) Space aliens were deporting the families of servicemen and Obama stopped them> C) Cruel, hard hearted republicans were deporting the families of servicemen and Obama stopped them. Take your time with this quiz.

Posted by: jwest at April 16, 2014 01:51 PM (u2a4R)

342 I will lie my fucking ass off if I get that census form.

Posted by: RokShox at April 16, 2014 01:52 PM (8MMMw)

343 Take your time with this quiz.

Posted by: jwest at April 16, 2014 05:51 PM (u2a4R)

No you accused Republicans of doing it you dumb intellecutally dishonest fuck wad. Take your time trying to spin out of that.

Posted by: polynikes at April 16, 2014 02:00 PM (m2CN7)

344 The USPS wants to mine and sell data gathered from your mail. http://dailycaller.com/2014/04/16/ No US government bureau or agency, federal or otherwise, should be allowed to sell personal information on We The People, US private citizens. That the USPS would do it, so will the Census Bureau, the APA our medical files, the IRS, Social Security Administration, you name it... "Revenue: it's a good thing." /vomit

Posted by: panzernashorn at April 16, 2014 02:06 PM (/vO0r)

345 Speaking of world class lies - there is another floating around that as far as I can tell no one is even questioning.

"One out of 6 Americans struggles with hunger."

What absolute, complete, and total BULLSHIT. That lie is on the same order as the 50,000 kidnapped kids lie that had missing kids faces on Milk Cartons.

Simply from the Bell shaped curve - if one out of 6 Americans were struggling with hunger there would be millions of Biafra style starvation victims lying in the streets of cities all over this country. Go to the poorest sections of the USA, do you see anyone starving?

Posted by: [/i] [/s] [/u] [/b] An Observation at April 16, 2014 02:07 PM (ylhEn)

346 Â“After five years, President Obama still has not learned how to effectively work with Congress to get things done,Â” Cantor said in a statement after discussing the issue with Obama by phone. Â“You do not attack the very people you hope to engage in a serious dialogue.Â”

The reason for CantorÂ’s displeasure: Obama released a statement earlier Wednesday blaming Republicans for Â“seemingly preferring the status quo of a broken immigration system over meaningful reform.Â”

Â“The President called me hours after he issued a partisan statement which attacked me and my fellow House Republicans and which indicated no sincere desire to work together,Â” Cantor said.

Posted by: Kahless the Unforgettable at April 16, 2014 02:16 PM (e8kgV)

347 And I'd vote for him again!

Posted by: Megan McArdle at April 16, 2014 02:26 PM (jfUIE)

348 The good news is that 110% of the population now has insurance, and that the unenjoyment rate for people on marijuana is about 3 times lower than it was last time we measured it.

Posted by: bleck at April 16, 2014 02:28 PM (ruoPh)

349 Its not a 10,000 character movie review, it's a 400 word concise essay.

Posted by: Jean at April 16, 2014 03:30 PM (Aqvh6)

350 Lets not forget the Cash-for-Clunkers twisted math.

Posted by: Jean at April 16, 2014 03:33 PM (Aqvh6)

351 Megan McArdle, to whom, as a economist/analyst

That should read "Megan McArdle, to whom, as an Obama supporter". Need to be accurate here.

Posted by: physics geek at April 16, 2014 04:43 PM (a83iT)

352 Dear Megan, this is what you voted for. Twice. Best hope they run out of lamp posts early.

Posted by: richard mcenroe at April 16, 2014 07:37 PM (XO6WW)

353 It may be too late of Aunt Zeituni to get on 0bamacare but it is not too late for Uncle Â‘DrunkÂ’ Omar or George Hussein Obama (now living in Atlanta, Georgia) to get on 0bamcare! Sure, Anut Zeituni only collected about $51,000 per year while on the dole but Uncle Omar and George can probably collect $75,000 per year if you include 0bamacare paymentsÂ… mostly for detox centers nicotine patches! You can bet those once George gets his Connecticut driverÂ’s licenseÂ… in addition to his Georgia license, 0bamacare numbers will go up! No, 0bama and I will not be getting on 0bamacare. We have our lush healthcare benefits. 0bamacare is for those crappy Tax Payers. 0bamaCare sucks! Barky and I have a Fund Raiser in a San Francisco Bathhouse. We cannot answer any more questions on how we scam the crappy 0bamacare numbers. Our $35,000 per butt-plug fund raiser is over booked. We are lubed-up and ready. Good day.

Posted by: Barney F. at April 17, 2014 03:14 AM (zGaZT)

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