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February 05, 2014

No Keystone Or ObamaCare Bailout Repeal For Debt Ceiling Hike
— DrewM

GOP leaders had been looking at pairing legislation boosting the debt limit to either an authorization of the pipeline or rolling back a portion of ObamaCare. But after presenting those ideas to members and huddling Wednesday, they determined neither would receive 218 votes from House Republicans.
That left Republican leaders with no clear alternative to addressing the debt limit, which the Treasury Department has said needs to be raised by the end of February.
Instead, it now appears that a combination of Republicans and Democrats will be needed to get a debt-limit boost through the House.

I know some House conservatives are saying there's no point attaching anything since the GOP will eventually cave but I find it hard to believe they'd have voted no if Boehner had brought a debt ceiling hike to the floor with either one of those provisions attached.

It's funny how after repeatedly telling conservatives he doesn't care about their votes (fiscal cliff, Sandy relief, Violence Against Women Act, re-opening the government, the sequester busting Ryan-Murray deal and agreeing to link food stamps with Ag subsidies) Boehner is suddenly acting as if he cares what House conservatives want.

In other news, Mitch McConnell has basically announced that if you're opposed to legalizing millions of illegal immigrants you better hope the GOP doesn't take control of the Senate next year.

McConnell indicated the Democratic-controlled Senate's insistence on comprehensive legislation is at impossible odds with the House Republican majority's preferred piecemeal approach to immigration reform.
"I think we have an irresolvable conflict here. The Senate insists on comprehensive. The House says it won't go to conference with the Senate on comprehensive and wants to look at step-by-step," he told reporters after a meeting with the Senate Republican conference.
"I don't see how you get to an outcome this year with the two bodies in such a place."

It seems the implication of his argument is that the only way to get to a deal is to have both Houses in the hands of the same party. Well, if we go the House GOP way we're still looking at massive legalization of some sort. So if you are opposed to that...you better hope the current stalemate holds. That's an odd pitch from the man who wants to be Majority Leader but there it is.

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1 oh boy

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl 22 days until spring training at February 05, 2014 09:15 AM (u8GsB)

2 They should double the amount needed and get it over with

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at February 05, 2014 09:16 AM (R8hU8)

3
No Keystone Or ObamaCare Bailout Repeal For Debt Ceiling Hike

There must be something...

Posted by: EC at February 05, 2014 09:16 AM (GQ8sn)

4 It seems the implication of his argument is that the only way to get to a deal is to have both Houses in the hands of the same party.

Or, he could just have been tamping down the ire of the base. I'm not sure he thought it through.

Posted by: pep at February 05, 2014 09:17 AM (6TB1Z)

5
Vichy France: Those Republicans are total pussies

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 05, 2014 09:17 AM (1Jaio)

6 leverage is for closers.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl 22 days until spring training at February 05, 2014 09:17 AM (u8GsB)

7 Liberal Republicans are a bigger problem then Democrats. This has been true in the long term for a while, but now it is true in the short term as well. A Republic can't work when all the candidates on the ballot hold pretty much the same positions...which is at odds with the electorate's views.

Posted by: 18-1 at February 05, 2014 09:18 AM (M3hAT)

8 Or, he could just have been tamping down the ire of the base. I'm not sure he thought it through.

Think about it. If what you say is correct, he's trying to suppress GOP turnout, or at least conservative turnout. You have to buy into the "thread the needle" hypothesis advanced by AmishDude, and I don't.

Posted by: pep at February 05, 2014 09:18 AM (6TB1Z)

9 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 05, 2014 09:19 AM (PYAXX)

10 Can't there at least be a replacement Chicken?

Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at February 05, 2014 09:19 AM (VtjlW)

11 I think McConnell is just lowering expectations here. Immigration reform -- at least what the Dems and the GOP leadership want -- is dead for this year and McC is just saying so.

Posted by: joncelli at February 05, 2014 09:19 AM (RD7QR)

12 That's an odd pitch from the man who wants to be Majority Leader but there it is.

We'd prefer to land a Republican majority when those Tea Partiers aren't so riled up. We need the "right sort of people" in office.

Posted by: RNC at February 05, 2014 09:19 AM (vBhbc)

13 the House Republican majority's preferred piecemeal approach to immigration reform. Dems = fast road to socialism Repubs = slightly slower road to socialism Two parties, one cup.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 05, 2014 09:20 AM (7ObY1)

14 So the Republican leadership really wants Amnesty, "fixing" Obamacare, and more pork barrel spending. The only spending cuts that are acceptable to them are to military pensions...anything else is extreme. Why do conservatives vote for McConnell or Boehner again?

Posted by: 18-1 at February 05, 2014 09:20 AM (M3hAT)

15 For every Trillion in ceiling they want, they must sacrifice one Democrat Senator. ...in the Aztec tradition.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at February 05, 2014 09:20 AM (naUcP)

16 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor. Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 05, 2014 01:19 PM (PYAXX)

Actually, I'm starting to think he's a master malignant traitor. He's not a clusterfuck at all, he's very good at being a traitor.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at February 05, 2014 09:21 AM (MPIX5)

17 >>But after presenting those ideas to members and huddling Wednesday, they determined neither would receive 218 votes from House Republicans.<<

Has there ever been a bigger bunch of cowards in our history?

The country is being torn apart and our representatives feel the pedestrian view is safest.

This just reinforces the view there is nobody left to fight for us in Washington.

But immigration! or something...

Posted by: Marcus at February 05, 2014 09:21 AM (GGCsk)

Secure the border...tested and verified by Richard Marcinko or Chuck Norris, and then we can talk abour the next step.

Posted by: Icedog at February 05, 2014 09:21 AM (G0ITZ)

19 Can't there at least be a replacement Chicken? ___ In Obamerica, chicken does you.

Posted by: The Chicken at February 05, 2014 09:21 AM (M3hAT)

20 Well, crap. This makes it look like democrats and republicans are just the same. Can the be right?

Posted by: Erowmero at February 05, 2014 09:21 AM (OONaw)

21 GOP: I thought we were the party of no. More like there's NO way we won't give in to Democrats

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 05, 2014 09:21 AM (1Jaio)

22 He's not a clusterfuck at all, he's very good at being a traitor. It's not that he's smart, it's that the people we relied on to stop him are idiots...

Posted by: Brother Cavil at February 05, 2014 09:22 AM (naUcP)

23 Option C: Republicans take control of the Senate AND McConnell gets primaried out.

Posted by: Jean at February 05, 2014 09:22 AM (4JkHl)

24 18 Secure the border...tested and verified by Richard Marcinko or Chuck Norris, and then we can talk abour the next step.

Posted by: Icedog at February 05, 2014 01:21 PM (G0ITZ)

I like to recall that the Israelis built a wall on their border in the face of an actual attacking enemy. Why can't we do the same with nobody firing at us?

Posted by: joncelli at February 05, 2014 09:22 AM (RD7QR)

25 The country is being torn apart and our representatives feel the pedestrian view is safest. *** Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.

Posted by: 18-1 at February 05, 2014 09:23 AM (M3hAT)

26 I'll be go to hell. Who couldda seen that coming?

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 05, 2014 09:23 AM (Hx5uv)

27 We're scared and we want to go home!

Posted by: GOP at February 05, 2014 09:23 AM (oFCZn)

28 It's not that he's smart, it's that the people we relied on to stop him are idiots... Posted by: Brother Cavil at February 05, 2014 01:22 PM (naUcP)

THIS.

However, you gotta admit that Obama's knee jerk reaction to any issue, no matter how large or small, is fundamentally anti-American.

Which is what you'd expect from the child of communists.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at February 05, 2014 09:24 AM (MPIX5)

29 *big huge eyes* Can we please get TruCon Cat? Pllleeeeassssee?

Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at February 05, 2014 09:24 AM (VtjlW)

30 I like to recall that the Israelis built a wall on their border in the face of an actual attacking enemy. Why can't we do the same with nobody firing at us?

Posted by: joncelli at February 05, 2014 01:22 PM (RD7QR)

The zombies eventually climbed over and breached the city.

Posted by: EC at February 05, 2014 09:24 AM (GQ8sn)

the House Republican majority's preferred piecemeal approach to immigration reform.

Dems = fast road to socialism

Repubs = slightly slower road to socialism

Two parties, one cup.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 05, 2014 01:20 PM (7ObY1)

And guess who gets to eat it!?

Posted by: rd at February 05, 2014 09:24 AM (D+lxs)

32 Oh, and here's an idea for the Republicans. Attach a rider zero'ing out the White House travel and entertainment budget to the debt ceiling increase, nothing more. See what happens.

Posted by: 18-1 at February 05, 2014 09:24 AM (M3hAT)

33 If Boner John was captain of the Titanic: Damn the icebergs! Full speed ahead!

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 05, 2014 09:24 AM (Hx5uv)

34 We must have immigration reform now! And Brother Cavil is right

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at February 05, 2014 09:24 AM (R8hU8)

35 The world is full of Kings and Queens Who'll blind your eyes and steal your dreams It's heaven and hell. And they'll tell you black is really white The moon is just the sun at night And when you walk in golden halls You get to keep the gold that falls It's Heaven and Hell.

Posted by: Zombie Ronnie James Dio at February 05, 2014 09:25 AM (7ObY1)

36 Wasn't McConnell polling behind a primary challenger at this point? . Vote the old turd out! . Mew

Posted by: acat at February 05, 2014 09:25 AM (4UkCP)

37 Let it burn.

Posted by: @JohnTant at February 05, 2014 09:25 AM (eytER)

38 24. Because RACIST!!!!

Posted by: Navycopjoe at February 05, 2014 09:25 AM (GDtEt)

39 In other news, Mitch McConnell has basically announced that if you're opposed to legalizing millions of illegal immigrants you better hope the GOP doesn't take control of the Senate next year. --- I think Mitch McConnell just cut a huge campaign ad for his primary challenger with that little dispatch.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 05, 2014 09:25 AM (/Crba)

40 Unleashed fascist government? Here's why that's a good thing ...

Posted by: Future MSM Headline [/i] [/b] at February 05, 2014 09:26 AM (cxs6V)

41 If we primary enough establishment Republicans one of two things will happen: 1) They will come to fear their constituents more then the Democrats 2) They'll be replaced by actual conservatives.

Posted by: 18-1 at February 05, 2014 09:26 AM (M3hAT)

42 35 The world is full of Kings and Queens Who'll blind your eyes and steal your dreams It's heaven and hell. And they'll tell you black is really white The moon is just the sun at night And when you walk in golden halls You get to keep the gold that falls It's Heaven and Hell. --- *lights cigarette lighter* Play "Holy Diver", zombie Dio!

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 05, 2014 09:26 AM (/Crba)

43 Way to stand up for, um, uhhh, ahh, fuck it. We're screwed.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at February 05, 2014 09:27 AM (0HooB)

44 Sun rises in the east
Bear shits in woods
GOP caves

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 05, 2014 09:27 AM (0LHZx)

45 "Simple Sabotage" written by the OSS free on Kindle.
First few pages will raise your eyebrows.

If Obama and his cultists wanted to destroy the US what else could they do that works better than what they are doing now?

If you have ever worked in a union controlled manufacturing facility, "Simple Sabotage" will be very familiar to you.

XL pipeline is a perfect example of 'Simple Sabotage' as if they have read the book.

Posted by: Justin Lately Jr at February 05, 2014 09:27 AM (nQE02)

46 Play "Holy Diver", zombie Dio! Great fluking album.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 05, 2014 09:27 AM (7ObY1)

47 while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity

I resent that

Posted by: Jean at February 05, 2014 09:27 AM (4JkHl)

48 We have just folded space from Mexico. Many new 'conservatives' in Mexico.

We have plans....within plans.

The Tea Party must die. I never said this. I was never here.

Posted by: Spacing Guild Navigator Mitch McConnell's Neck Fat at February 05, 2014 09:27 AM (GQ8sn)

49 29 *big huge eyes* Oh baby!!! ~~~squirt~~~

Posted by: Face eating spider at February 05, 2014 09:27 AM (GDtEt)

50 Obama: Give me Amnesty or I will hold my breathe until I pass out McConnell: Ladies and gentlemen, how do you expect me to successfully beat such a political genius?!?

Posted by: 18-1 at February 05, 2014 09:28 AM (M3hAT)

51 *lights cigarette lighter* Play "Holy Diver", zombie Dio!

"Crazy Train" is more appropriate.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at February 05, 2014 09:28 AM (MPIX5)

52 In other news, Mitch McConnell has basically announced that if you're opposed to legalizing millions of illegal immigrants you better hope the GOP doesn't take control of the Senate next year. Challenge accepted, bitch.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 05, 2014 09:28 AM (xorT2)

53 He asked, Â“First, have you ever heard of the 1982 Consent Decree?Â”

No, I was only five then Â… and whatÂ’s a consent decree?

Â“Well, my young friend, thatÂ’s when the RNC pulled some real stupid tricks in New Jersey and got caught with their pants down and got sued by the democrats. I guess they were losing in court Â‘cause they settled the case by agreeing to sign that consent decree.Â”

Ok, so there were dirty tricks, but whatÂ’s the consent decree and why is it a problem?

Â“Because the dumbass RepublicanÂ’ts agreed to limit their ability to fight voter fraud in minority districts, and not just in New Jersey, but in the entire country. And thatÂ’s not even the worst part Â– they didnÂ’t even put a time limit on it Â– the limitation could go on forever.Â”

Posted by: David Byrne at February 05, 2014 09:29 AM (e8kgV)

54 >>Actually, I'm starting to think he's a master malignant traitor. He's not a clusterfuck at all, he's very good at being a traitor.<<

No. He mostly a master manipulator.

The masses will follow the meme and empty pathos arguments. THey don't follow the logical. It's how Obama got elected.

Obama does thing like going on Bill OReilly to show he's a "regular" guy. Meanwhile he appoints a guy who tried to get a convicted cop-killer free as the head of DoJ Civil Rights division.

He know exactly what he is doing. People are either to blind, dumb, gullible or plain in agreement with him to notice.

Besides- look at Republicans. Think they are going to help or maybe set things straight once they regain power?

Nope. They are cowards trying to protect their own skin. Once they regain control we will hear all about doing the "right" thing as an excuse for their weakness. Meanwhile they've followed the Democrats on things like immigration and raising the debt. But, ya know, they can't wield the big stick (as the Democrats have) to set things right.

I mostly blame Republicans for our current situation. They are too weak, inconsistent and immersed in the Washington mentality to provide a consistent, loud, forceful and righteous defense.

Oops. Sorry for the screed.

Posted by: Marcus at February 05, 2014 09:29 AM (GGCsk)

55 If you liked Healthcare Reform, you're gonna love Immigration Reform.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 05, 2014 09:29 AM (8ZskC)

56 Great fluking album. ___ Nah, I prefer Dire Straights.

Posted by: Sandra FLuke at February 05, 2014 09:29 AM (M3hAT)

57 The GOP can't find a hill to fight on let alone die on.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 05, 2014 09:29 AM (P1WNR)

58 Good lord, Boner John! Even a whore is supposed to get paid.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 05, 2014 09:29 AM (Hx5uv)

59 51 *lights cigarette lighter* Play "Holy Diver", zombie Dio! "Crazy Train" is more appropriate. --- I'm trying to limit myself to Dio stuff, not Sabbath in general. I figure we've heard enough medleys of Paranoid, Snowblind, War Pigs, and Fairies Wear Boots out of the White House for now, anyway.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 05, 2014 09:30 AM (/Crba)

60 How about if the GOP takes the senate, but McConnell loses his primary, so we have a different SML.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at February 05, 2014 09:30 AM (q5wSU)

61 How about this deal: For every dollar the ceiling increases, we ship out an equal amount of Democrats to Venezuela.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her Sanity Prod (tm) at February 05, 2014 09:30 AM (z+Xap)

62 They're all looking forward to the big payout at the end of their big sellout.

Posted by: Dept. Of Acuracy at February 05, 2014 09:30 AM (MhA4j)

Drew, you do remember you previously said "TWT" (Time Will Tell) what's up with Mitch (Reid's Bitch) McConnell, right?? You weren't quite sure whether it would be a good idea to primary him like the Senate Conservatives Fund is making happen. Soooo Drew, what time is it now?

Posted by: Born Free at February 05, 2014 09:30 AM (xL8Hf)

64 Nah, I prefer Dire Straights. You prefer X-tina's "Do What You Want With My Body", sweetie.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 05, 2014 09:31 AM (7ObY1)

65 Speaking of whores, they say hookers flood into town for the super bowl. But have you noticed that when there is a moron meetup, all the trannies leave the state?

Posted by: Judge Pug at February 05, 2014 09:31 AM (NRYdU)

66 So, according to McConnell, the only substantive difference between Dems and Reps in the Senate is how fast we should murder the Republic. The Dems want to end the suffering and kill us quick, but McConnell wants to draw it out.

Jesus, save us.

Posted by: WolfinNC at February 05, 2014 09:32 AM (fOr/v)

67 15 For every Trillion in ceiling they want, they must sacrifice one Democrat Senator. ...in the Aztec tradition. Posted by: Brother Cavil at February 05, 2014 01:20 PM (naUcP) --------------------------------- Would you accept Transylvanian? Mew

Posted by: acat at February 05, 2014 09:32 AM (4UkCP)

68 Elizabeth Hurley denies 'ludicrously silly' claims she had year-long affair with Bill Clinton after he flew her on private jet to the White House

Hurley has issued a denial calling the claims that she had a relationship with the ex-President 'ludicrously silly'

Comes from a recording of her alleged ex boyfriend Tom Sizemore making the extraordinary claim that he connected the President with Hurley

At the time of the alleged tryst, Hurley was dating Hugh Grant

Sizemore was at the White House for a screening of his movie Saving Private Ryan in 1998 when Clinton allegedly asked for her number

'Give it to me... I'm the Commander-in-Chief!' Clinton reportedly said

Clinton's spokesperson previously confirmed that he and Hurley spent time together in 2001, and were also pictured together in 2005

Sizemore has had drug and alcohol issues in the past and was recently photographed 'smoking crystal meth'

Posted by: William Sydney Porter at February 05, 2014 09:32 AM (e8kgV)

69
You know, the Republicans are asking for nothing and might even get less.

Since Boehner has already declared he must pass the debt hike, the Dems are free to counter with even more demands. How about removing the last taint of those phantom food stamp cuts? A few billion more in aid to refugees?

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 05, 2014 09:33 AM (kdS6q)

70 I'm trying to limit myself to Dio stuff, not Sabbath in general. "The Mob Rules" fits too though. "If you listen to fools...the mob rules"

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 05, 2014 09:33 AM (7ObY1)

71 66 So, according to McConnell, the only substantive difference between Dems and Reps in the Senate is how fast we should murder the Republic. The Dems want to end the suffering and kill us quick, but McConnell wants to draw it out. Jesus, save us. Posted by: WolfinNC at February 05, 2014 01:32 PM (fOr/v) --------------------------------------- Why do you want an illegal immigrant to save you? Mew

Posted by: acat at February 05, 2014 09:33 AM (4UkCP)

72 The Republicans eventually agreed on sending a fruit basket to the President in exchange for signing the debt ceiling increase, but as long as no more than $100 was spent. Reporters who noted that this was a gift, and not an exchange, were met with puzzled looks from the Republican Congress members.

Posted by: In other news... at February 05, 2014 09:33 AM (iEoiA)

73 Shut up 'bagger. You don't under stand n-dimensional chess.

Posted by: McConnell at February 05, 2014 09:34 AM (NuPNl)

74 Well, that was quick. Who had GOP rolling over in less than 24 hours?

Posted by: flounder at February 05, 2014 09:34 AM (Kkt/i)

75 Posted by: McConnell

Don't think you were sent there to play chess.

Posted by: dogfish at February 05, 2014 09:35 AM (NuPNl)

76 Once they got the head in, I kind of liked it.

Posted by: Speaker Boner at February 05, 2014 09:35 AM (0FSuD)

77 Republicans: "Once we get in control- look out"

Democrats: [chortling] Sure. No go make me a sammich!

Posted by: Marcus at February 05, 2014 09:35 AM (GGCsk)

78 Posted by: WolfinNC at February 05, 2014 01:32 PM (fOr/v)

Over the cliff and 100 or 80. Your choice.

Posted by: Glenn Beck at February 05, 2014 09:35 AM (gHDMy)

79 Attention GOP:

The Base is leaving the building.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 05, 2014 09:35 AM (8ZskC)

80 25 - Forget kindle... pdf is available for free as well. http://tinyurl.com/34hohda

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at February 05, 2014 09:35 AM (7mQyC)

81 So I am confused. Is "no hill to die on" the hill to die on?

Posted by: blaster at February 05, 2014 09:35 AM (4+AaH)

82 The only way to get Boehner to make a conservative stand on anything is for him to see it as being in his own self-interest. If he can be convinced that surrender to the Democrats will result in more Tea Partiers being elected to the house he may suddenly find a hill worth dying on. His fear and loathing must be used against him.

Posted by: Delurk Ergo Sum at February 05, 2014 09:36 AM (oectx)

83 Spent Some Time Together = Fucking Google it!

Posted by: Judge Pug at February 05, 2014 09:36 AM (NRYdU)

84 If you liked Healthcare Reform, you're gonna love Immigration Reform. The Affordable Employee Act.

Posted by: t-bird at February 05, 2014 09:36 AM (FcR7P)

85 Chess? These sissies can't even play hopscotch.

Posted by: Marcus at February 05, 2014 09:36 AM (GGCsk)

86 Hey, the way I see it, I'm thankful they aren't yanking my chain anymore. There's only so much false hope a girl can take.

Posted by: Bad Swimming Advice at February 05, 2014 09:36 AM (z+Xap)

87 I have found that cheap bourbon with a good cigarette will get that taste out of your mouth. Barney told me this trick years ago.

Posted by: Speaker Boner at February 05, 2014 09:36 AM (0FSuD)

88 85 Chess? These sissies can't even play hopscotch. Posted by: Marcus at February 05, 2014 01:36 PM (GGCsk) they can't even master tic tac toe

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl 22 days until spring training at February 05, 2014 09:37 AM (u8GsB)

89 Noted market-timer Tom DeMark did not sound optimistic about the prospects for stocks in an interview with CNBC this morning.

DeMark compared today's market to that preceding the Black Friday crash in 1929.

"When the market made its high on September 3, [1929], there were 23 subsequent trading days where the Dow Jones Industrial Average had a short-term bottom," he said.

"23 days aligns with the low end on Monday. And subsequent to that, we had a four-day rally, and then the market unraveled Â— went down 48%. We are currently at that inflection point. Like I said, so far, everything is aligned. We think the next two to three days are extremely critical."

Posted by: Gordon Gekko at February 05, 2014 09:37 AM (e8kgV)

90 I posted on FB that it's the 225th anniversary of General Washington's election, and he's celebrating by spinning furiously in his grave. So far, three Libs have "liked" it. They don't read, do they. (no question mark, it's a rhetorical statement.)

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 05, 2014 09:37 AM (7ObY1)

91 opps meant 45. 79 - Hit the lights would you.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at February 05, 2014 09:38 AM (7mQyC)

92 If we just legalize pot, a lot of this stuff wouldn't matter to people.

Posted by: Justin Lately Jr at February 05, 2014 09:38 AM (nQE02)

93 I mostly blame Republicans for our current situation. They are too weak, inconsistent and immersed in the Washington mentality to provide a consistent, loud, forceful and righteous defense. Me too. If they were fighting It'd be one thing. But this is like an army standing by while its citizens are destroyed. There is no army to oppose them.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at February 05, 2014 09:38 AM (Zx2Zj)

94 I once walked a mile for a camel. Now? They drop them off at my Walgreens.

Posted by: Speaker Boner at February 05, 2014 09:38 AM (0FSuD)

95 Would you accept Transylvanian? While it's true I'm long on sharpened stake futures, I thought throwing something in for the, erm, Persons Present Extralegally would be a plus...

Posted by: Brother Cavil at February 05, 2014 09:38 AM (naUcP)

96 So, has Ace risen from the sick bed? Is he out of the plague house? All better now?

Posted by: Judge Pug at February 05, 2014 09:39 AM (NRYdU)

97 blaster -

Oh, this is the hill we're gonna die on. The GOP won't, but we will...

Posted by: WolfinNC at February 05, 2014 09:39 AM (fOr/v)

98 There are two things conservatives can do in the next few months to kill amnesty in 2014 and 2015

1) primary McConnell
2) primary Graham

Posted by: Jon (not the troll) at February 05, 2014 09:39 AM (DPMu1)

99 Why won't Ryan give me that reach around that he use to do?

Posted by: Speaker Boner at February 05, 2014 09:40 AM (0FSuD)

100 We're number two! We're number two!

Posted by: "mythical" GOP establishment [/i][/b] at February 05, 2014 09:40 AM (5ikDv)

101 92 If we just legalize pot, a lot of this stuff wouldn't matter to people. I dunno, maybe I'm wired differently, but whenever I indulge in the evil weed, I turn into an even more rabid right-winger than I usually am.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 05, 2014 09:41 AM (7ObY1)

102 Ramming Speed!!

Posted by: GOP Ship of Fools at February 05, 2014 09:41 AM (Kkt/i)

103 Vatican City (AFP) -

Quis hoc crederet?

Against all the odds, Pope Francis's Latin-language Twitter account is a roaring success -- boasting 208,000 followers on Wednesday -- more than those following papal tweets in German or Arabic. .. two obviously dead languages.

Posted by: St. Peter at February 05, 2014 09:41 AM (e8kgV)

104 Obama's dick must be from his white side. I didn't even feel it when he put it in this time.

Posted by: Speaker Boner at February 05, 2014 09:42 AM (0FSuD)

105 I dunno, maybe I'm wired differently, but whenever I indulge in the evil weed, I turn into an even more rabid right-winger than I usually am.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 05, 2014 01:41 PM (7ObY1)

Yes, but I'm sure your rabidness is very mellow. ("Like, slaughter the commies, m'kay?")

Posted by: joncelli at February 05, 2014 09:42 AM (RD7QR)

106 This is predictable and a result of the failed govt shutdown last time. Obama called the Repubs bluff last time. So now the Repubs can no longer bluff. The only tiny bit of leverage the Repubs had is now gone. That is a major long term consequence of the failed shutdown gambit. That threat will slowly rebuild. The threat is basically the threat of chaos and the unpredictable nature of what might happen. In another decade that threat will rebuild enough to be strong enough to bluff with. But not now and not for the rest of Obama's term.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 05, 2014 09:42 AM (ZPrif)

107 The GOP is following a space rabbit underwater.

Posted by: Mr Plinkett at February 05, 2014 09:43 AM (Aif/5)

108 If we win we lose.

Posted by: gop voter at February 05, 2014 09:43 AM (F3CXb)

109 I'll punch any liberal in the throat that tells me that conservative web sites are just echo chambers.

Posted by: polynikes at February 05, 2014 09:43 AM (m2CN7)

110 We're at the end of a long-term political cycle. The pols are tired, the lies don't work, the voters - left to right - are outraged, the pot of gold is empty, the current president is a lame duck, and the Big Government Dream is circling in the toilet bowl.

Boehner and McConnell are men of the past. Reid, Pelosi, and the current president are halfway to the dustbin.

Posted by: mrp at February 05, 2014 09:43 AM (JBggj)

111 109 I'll punch any liberal in the throat that tells me that conservative web sites are just echo chambers. Yeah, what he said.

Posted by: Speaker Boner at February 05, 2014 09:43 AM (0FSuD)

112 Well, in exchange for agreeing to a couple trillion more in debt, I did get the Dems to promise no more taxes on tanning beds...so pretty much a win for our side!

Posted by: Speaker Boner at February 05, 2014 09:43 AM (G0ITZ)

113 Posted by: Gordon Gekko at February 05, 2014 01:37 PM (e8kgV) Meh. Unless it can be shown that a similar even happens prior to all major stock catastrophes, it's just a coincidence.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 05, 2014 09:44 AM (PYAXX)

114 If Obama's skin was any thinner .. all the shit would fall out.

Posted by: Unabomber at February 05, 2014 09:44 AM (e8kgV)

115 Only Authorized Policy Makers may discuss how many should immigrate and from which countries. Because Hate Speech.

Posted by: NYC Parent at February 05, 2014 09:44 AM (HEo6y)

116 REPUBLICANS VERSUS DEMOCRATS ...whoever wins, we lose.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 05, 2014 09:45 AM (PYAXX)

117 "Thomas Sowell: Will Republicans cave on immigration?" Ohh me me me me flapping raised hand wildly http://tinyurl.com/ptpvxl9 Listening to discussions of immigration laws and proposals to reform them is like listening to something out of "Alice in Wonderland." Immigration laws are the only laws that are discussed in terms of how to help people who break them. One of the big problems that those who are pushing "comprehensive immigration reform" want solved is how to help people who came here illegally and are now "living in the shadows" as a result. What about embezzlers or burglars who are "living in the shadows" in fear that someone will discover their crimes? Why not "reform" the laws against embezzlement or burglary, so that such people can also come out of the shadows? Almost everyone seems to think that we need to solve the problem of the children of illegal immigrants, because these children are here "through no fault of their own." Do people who say that have any idea how many millions of children are living in dire poverty in India, Africa or other places "through no fault of their own," and would be better off living in the United States? Do all children have some inherent right to live in America if they have done nothing wrong? If not, then why should the children of illegal immigrants have such a right? More fundamentally, why do the American people not have a right to the protection that immigration laws provide people in other countries around the world Â— including Mexico, where illegal immigrants from other countries get no such special treatment as Mexico and its American supporters are demanding for illegal immigrants in the United States? Because they fight back when the government is in the wrong. Here we can't even get an opposition party.

Posted by: RWC at February 05, 2014 09:45 AM (fWAjv)

118 Now here comes Johnny with his boner in his hand

He's a one ball man and he's off to the rodeo.

Posted by: David Allen Coe, Speakin for the House at February 05, 2014 09:45 AM (KQp38)

119

"Thomas Sowell: When Will Republicans cave on immigration?"

FIFY

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at February 05, 2014 09:46 AM (YYJjz)

120 Yes, but I'm sure your rabidness is very mellow. ("Like, slaughter the commies, m'kay?") LOL, ask my Lib friends how mellow I get.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 05, 2014 09:47 AM (7ObY1)

121 106 This is predictable and a result of the failed govt shutdown last time. "Failed" like they wanted. After one fucking NBC poll. Boehner pretty much admitted he did the shutdown to try to kneecap Ted Cruz. And McConnell got his dam. Given that Obama murdered our health care system and is underwater in every poll, he should be lamest of the lame ducks. Nobody should want that fucker to get his way in anything. These guys wouldn't be talking about immigration if they gave a shit about polls. They have their own agenda.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at February 05, 2014 09:47 AM (CofEF)

122 During The Great Recession, Major League Soccer has now added 8 new teams and 9 new stadiums.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 05, 2014 09:47 AM (ZPrif)

123 Well, just to piss you off, read this if you can get past the fire wall. We are fucked. Terrorist are going to start attacking power sub stations. http://tinyurl.com/ns77yll

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 05, 2014 09:47 AM (0FSuD)

124 "That's an odd pitch from the man who wants to be Majority Leader but there it is."

Mitch is all about The Money, and what The Money happen to want right now is a shit-ton of cheap new labor to further undercut domestic wages.

On the one hand, it would be really great to permanently see the back of Mitch and his porkocratic ways. He is not a personally compelling candidate with voters, and despite his longstanding ties to The Money and deep wells of cash, he has won all his races by very small margins. It's not at all out of the question that Alison Grimes could remove him this year.

But, there is also simultaneously developing a situation where whether or not Harry Reid continues to be Majority Leader may well come down to literally just one single seat. If Grimes is in that seat instead of McConnell, it's more misery under Dingy Harry.

This is one of these situations where I feel like an evil computer in a classic _Star Trek_ episode, going bonkers and emitting smoke from having to digest an unresolvable contradiction. Error! Error! Does not compute! Which unacceptable option is superior?

I really hope that Bevin can pull together a credible primary challenge, and if I lived in that state I'd be backing him hugely, but the hour is very late, and The Money is a powerful and insidious opponent for anyone to take on as a small outsider.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 05, 2014 09:47 AM (gqT4g)

125 Boehner and McConnell are men of the past. Reid, Pelosi, and the current president are halfway to the dustbin.

Posted by: mrp at February 05, 2014 01:43 PM (JBggj)

I wish I could share your optimism but they and their like have learned how to manipulate the system to stay in power.

Posted by: joncelli at February 05, 2014 09:47 AM (RD7QR)

126 O/T Dramatic image from MRO via the JPL website. Looks kind of like our economy, only prettier! http://tinyurl.com/qcnw6tc

Posted by: and irresolute at February 05, 2014 09:48 AM (RqHWH)

127 I've got a plan. Finish this bottle of wine, take a nap and then go to the club for massage. When the going gets tough? The tough get drunk.

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 05, 2014 09:49 AM (0FSuD)

128 Every time Boehner or McConnell or any of the other Republican "leadership" even hears the terms "TEA Party" or "Conservative Voters" they should be calling "Bring me my brown pants!" Instead, they think they can get away with saying, "Peon, these voters will not do. Pray gather some new ones."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 05, 2014 09:49 AM (PYAXX)

129 I thought the govt shutdown tactic was worth it as a last ditch hail mary attempt to stop Obamacare. Like most hail marys it failed. But this total loss of leverage is one of the long term costs of that strategy. Once you play your last card, and you and the other guy and everybody watching knows you played your last card, you're out of options.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 05, 2014 09:50 AM (ZPrif)

130 I really hope that Bevin can pull together a credible primary challenge, and if I lived in that state I'd be backing him hugely, but the hour is very late, and The Money is a powerful and insidious opponent for anyone to take on as a small outsider. Bevin's rich. I don't know him from a hole in the ground, but he's not Mitch and that's a start.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at February 05, 2014 09:50 AM (CofEF)

131 122 During The Great Recession, Major League Soccer has now added 8 new teams and 9 new stadiums. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 05, 2014 01:47 PM (ZPrif) Have to get ready for Estados Unidos new national sport what with our new 30 million brethren.

Posted by: RWC at February 05, 2014 09:50 AM (fWAjv)

132 OK. Does ANYONE give a shit about the Olympics?

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 05, 2014 09:51 AM (0FSuD)

133 Does ANYONE give a shit about the Olympics? Are the new women Ski Jumpers' uniforms going to consist of a mini-skirt? Then no.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 05, 2014 09:52 AM (PYAXX)

134 132 OK.

Does ANYONE give a shit about the Olympics?

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 05, 2014 01:51 PM (0FSuD)

Yes: Olympians, their friends and families, Russian whores, and Chechen terrorists. Oh, and Putin. That about covers it.

Posted by: joncelli at February 05, 2014 09:52 AM (RD7QR)

135 Are the new women Ski Jumpers' uniforms going to consist of a mini-skirt? Then no. If they made panties optional would that help?

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 05, 2014 09:53 AM (0FSuD)

136

OK.

Does ANYONE give a shit about the Olympics?

Is that now?

Hmmmm.........I thought I might but I guess I don't.

Posted by: eleven at February 05, 2014 09:53 AM (fsLdt)

137 I'd like to commend whoever commented yesterday that Boehner always looks like he's on the verge of uncontrollable vomiting. He has that hangdog look only his jowls look slightly inflated as if he's about to heave his guts out. I'll bet his breath smells like a bile duct.

Howard Dean always looks like he's coming off a mega-bender with this thin sheen of moisture on his face as he's sweating out the previous night's intake.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 05, 2014 09:53 AM (zjT4v)

138 >>Can't there at least be a replacement Chicken? Posted by: alexthechick Why? It has taken awhile, but this one has a surprisingly roomy cloaca.

Posted by: Aviator at February 05, 2014 09:53 AM (DI+ja)

139

Does ANYONE give a shit about the Olympics?

I haven't watched the last five or six of them.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at February 05, 2014 09:53 AM (q5wSU)

140 I know "big business" wants the illegals so they can push down wages even further. But what I don't understand is how these people can be so short sighted. They would theoretically have a better profit margin with reduced production costs, and that's great for them, but if we're all living on reduced wages, how the hell do we afford increased taxes, O-care, and then then buy their crap? We're a consumer based economy - our disposable income fuels the economy. Government and big business are colluding to wring every dime they can out of the taxpayer. What happens when we ALL run out of extra dimes? Can't our betters see that they're setting themselves up to fail?

Posted by: WolfinNC at February 05, 2014 09:54 AM (fOr/v)

141 Posted by: Nip Sip at February 05, 2014 01:53 PM (0FSuD) With the current uniforms, or with the hypothetical mini-skirt uniforms?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 05, 2014 09:54 AM (PYAXX)

142

Let's just adopt Mexico's immigration policies and be done with it. We need to use the Dem tactic and call it something such as the, "We love Mexican Children and Mexico's Immigration Laws Act".

"...however, my Democrat opponent's vote makes it obvious he hates little Mexican children.

Posted by: Icedog at February 05, 2014 09:54 AM (GYTqM)

143 Yes: Olympians, their friends and families, Russian whores, and Chechen terrorists. Oh, and Putin. That about covers it. I thought all the good Russian Whores were working the PGA Tour?

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 05, 2014 09:54 AM (0FSuD)

144 123 Well, just to piss you off, read this if you can get past the fire wall. We are fucked. Terrorist are going to start attacking power sub stations. http://tinyurl.com/ns77yll Posted by: Nip Sip at February 05, 2014 01:47 PM (0FSuD) Couldn't get past the firewall but there is a summary version of it over at BB.

Posted by: RWC at February 05, 2014 09:54 AM (fWAjv)

145

Thomas Sowell nailed it in the article in the sidebar - Republicans to the rescue of Democrats.

About the olympics, I'm not watching as Russia decreed that stray dogs/cats be shot. My final straw.

Posted by: Cheri at February 05, 2014 09:55 AM (G+Wff)

146 123 - Freedom fighters just doing some probing. /s

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at February 05, 2014 09:55 AM (7mQyC)

147 OK. Does ANYONE give a shit about the Olympics? What's that?

Posted by: rickb223 at February 05, 2014 09:55 AM (xorT2)

148 Who gives a shit about the debt ceiling?

What difference, at this point, does it make?

18 fucking trillion. 18.

Deck chairs. Titanic. Some moving around.

Don't waste fucking time on this. Give the assholes carte blanche and let the fucker burn.

Posted by: grognard at February 05, 2014 09:55 AM (/29Nl)

149 Boner will refuse to raise the debt ceiling unless the President promises to totes take them to Disneyland.

Posted by: --- at February 05, 2014 09:55 AM (MMC8r)

150

I find watching semi-cute chicks Curling to be strangely fascinating.

But that's aboot it.

Posted by: eleven at February 05, 2014 09:55 AM (fsLdt)

151 Instead, they think they can get away with saying, "Peon, these voters will not do. Pray gather some new ones." Eventually, the traditional response will be made. The one the Republic was designed to render unnecessary. God help us all when that happens.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at February 05, 2014 09:55 AM (naUcP)

152 Does ANYONE give a shit about the Olympics? Oh, I am totally in for teh hockey. And some curling. But mostly teh hockey.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 05, 2014 09:55 AM (7ObY1)

153 So according to BB, Fluke is not running for Ratboy's seat. Weirder and weirder

Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at February 05, 2014 09:55 AM (X+nFp)

154 "Does ANYONE give a shit about the Olympics?"

Not since they denied me.

Posted by: Obama at February 05, 2014 09:55 AM (F3CXb)

155 I am looking forward to the Wymyns Olympic Ski Jump. Flying Cameltoe. What's not to like?

Posted by: garrett at February 05, 2014 09:56 AM (KsP9i)

156 135 Are the new women Ski Jumpers' uniforms going to consist of a mini-skirt? Then no. If they made panties optional would that help? --- Do the skiiers get shot at by Claudine Longet? Because that would help increase viewership as well.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 05, 2014 09:56 AM (/Crba)

157 150 I find watching semi-cute chicks Curling to be strangely fascinating. But that's aboot it. Canada's version of The Grammys (The Junos) is coming up. Which makes me wonder, is every artist at The Junos on the "Eh" list? (rimshot)

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 05, 2014 09:56 AM (7ObY1)

158 Does ANYONE give a shit about the Olympics?

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 05, 2014 01:51 PM (0FSuD)

If the IOC members were locked in a burning building, I'd watch; otherwise fuck no,

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 05, 2014 09:56 AM (zjT4v)

159 Eat your hearts out Northern Morons, the SUN, yes that big bright thing, just came out.

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 05, 2014 09:56 AM (0FSuD)

160 Posted by: WolfinNC at February 05, 2014 01:54 PM (fOr/v) That's a really complex topic. I think it comes down to a few things. 1- No, they don't understand that the necessary consequence of that many illegals is that suddenly no one can afford their stuff. 2- The few who understand that hope to be tight enough with "government" to get subsidized. 3- It's not about "eventually" it's about "right now." 4- I'm willing to bet that way too many of them can't even tell you what money is, let alone how it actually works or how we get more.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 05, 2014 09:57 AM (PYAXX)

161 http://tinyurl.com/ns77yll

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 05, 2014 01:47 PM (0FSuD)

Bob Owens covered that 9 months ago.

Posted by: GOP Ship of Fools at February 05, 2014 09:57 AM (Kkt/i)

162 Well, we do have curling, so we have that excitement to look forward too!

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 05, 2014 09:57 AM (0FSuD)

163 Watched the MLS Miami announcement. Lots of people speaking normal English and then pronouncing every hispanic name with a ridiculous Spanish accent. It'd be like if everyone with an Irish last name pronounced it with a thick Irish brogue. It's so stupid. You can pronounce a name like Carlos Gimenez (Miami mayor) without pronouncing it like you've never heard or spoken English in your life.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 05, 2014 09:58 AM (ZPrif)

164 153 So according to BB, Fluke is not running for Ratboy's seat. Weirder and weirder I was thinking there was some recent and very damaging oppo research on her. But that would mean the DOPe was doing its job, so, I don't know.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 05, 2014 09:58 AM (7ObY1)

165 Fluke is running for state senate seat. I don't think she will win that either.

Posted by: Judge Pug at February 05, 2014 09:58 AM (NRYdU)

166 Sun's out here... A balmy -6, it is.

Posted by: garrett at February 05, 2014 09:58 AM (KsP9i)

167 @161 Yeah, I saw that also. Interesting. Why would the WSJ run this story NOW? It is a very old story. Noting happens in a vacuum.

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 05, 2014 09:58 AM (0FSuD)

168 But that would mean the DOPe was doing its job, so, I don't know. Still primary season. It could be the Dems torpedoing her.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 05, 2014 09:58 AM (PYAXX)

169 Amanda Marcotte ‏@AmandaMarcotte 1m The hard choice, the one that gets you grief and pushback and anger and insinuations that you are Not Cool is to support victims of abuse. ----- Maybe in her world. Fucking idiot.

Posted by: RWC at February 05, 2014 09:59 AM (fWAjv)

170 If you don't trill your r's when speaking normal English, then don't do a 3-second trill every time you say Carrrrrrrlos. Just say Carlos.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 05, 2014 09:59 AM (ZPrif)

171 I care about the Olympics. It's a unique entertainment. Learn about new sports/athletes, an excuse to bellow "Go USA!" at the top of your lungs, the current Putin follies. I hope there's a daily Olympic thread once the Games start. Might need two to guard against spoilers. NBC is not streaming for new customers, but streaming sites will emerge.

Posted by: Lincolntf at February 05, 2014 09:59 AM (ZshNr)

172 AllenG -

You mean government economists and the heads of our nation's largest companies can't figure out that when the consumers in a consumer driven economy have no money left, the game is up?

Fuck, you're probably right.

Posted by: WolfinNC at February 05, 2014 10:00 AM (fOr/v)

173 The Party says it's someone else's turn.

Posted by: Fluke at February 05, 2014 10:00 AM (F3CXb)

174 150 I find watching semi-cute chicks Curling to be strangely fascinating.

But that's aboot it.

Posted by: eleven at February 05, 2014 01:55 PM (fsLdt)

I see what you did there, eh?

Posted by: joncelli at February 05, 2014 10:00 AM (RD7QR)

175 Still primary season. It could be the Dems torpedoing her. There's some old boar she tried to line-jump to reach the trough, would be my guess.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at February 05, 2014 10:00 AM (ihCPW)

176 Never understood the ski a while, shoot some shit with a pellet gun, ski some more, shoot more shit, ski some more, win!

Posted by: Icedog at February 05, 2014 10:00 AM (GYTqM)

177 168 That's what BB implied. Something about a spiritual advisor or some other non-sense. Who knows what the hell is real anymore?

Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at February 05, 2014 10:01 AM (X+nFp)

178 You mean government economists and the heads of our nation's largest companies can't figure out that when the consumers in a consumer driven economy have no money left, the game is up? Former. Enron. Economic. Adviser. Paul. Krugman. My answer to that statement in 6 words.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 05, 2014 10:01 AM (PYAXX)

179 Funny, they never said David Beckham's name in an English accent. They used their normal American accent. Just sort of silly.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 05, 2014 10:01 AM (ZPrif)

180 I hope there's a daily Olympic thread once the Games start. Might need two to guard against spoilers. NBC is not streaming for new customers, but streaming sites will emerge. Posted by: Lincolntf at February 05, 2014 01:59 PM (ZshNr) Just cause the sun came out doesn't mean you can fire up the bong.

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 05, 2014 10:01 AM (0FSuD)

181 Amanda Marcotte ‏@AmandaMarcotte 1m The hard choice, the one that gets you grief and pushback and anger and insinuations that you are Not Cool is to support victims of abuse. Dylan Farrow, or Paula Jones, or Mary Jo Kopechne?

Posted by: --- at February 05, 2014 10:01 AM (MMC8r)

182 Never understood the ski a while, shoot some shit with a pellet gun, ski some more, shoot more shit, ski some more, win! You have to have a reason to shoot stuff? And when did they go to pellet guns? I thought they were real rifles?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 05, 2014 10:02 AM (PYAXX)

183 I have no idea what that means.

Posted by: Lincolntf at February 05, 2014 10:02 AM (ZshNr)

184 "Does ANYONE give a shit about the Olympics?" ---- Umm no, but on second thought what are the Olympics?

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at February 05, 2014 10:02 AM (7mQyC)

185 Posted by: Captain Hate at February 05, 2014 01:56 PM (zjT4v)

Heh.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at February 05, 2014 10:02 AM (gHDMy)

186 22 He's not a clusterfuck at all, he's very good at being a traitor. It's not that he's smart, it's that the people we relied on to stop him are idiots... Posted by: Brother Cavil at February 05, 2014 01:22 PM (naUcP) No. They are not idiots. They are willfully corrupt and liars. They can see the truth as easily as you can. They have chosen a different path.

Posted by: Sambo at February 05, 2014 10:03 AM (6EZQa)

187 183 I have no idea what that means. Posted by: Lincolntf at February 05, 2014 02:02 PM (ZshNr) It's a polite way to say watching the Olympics on NBC is not a very good moron choice.

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 05, 2014 10:03 AM (0FSuD)

188 Actually I think Marcotte is getting pissed at those defending Woody and the like.

Posted by: RWC at February 05, 2014 10:03 AM (fWAjv)

189 " It is a very old story. " --- Must have run out of other things to try and scare people this week.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at February 05, 2014 10:03 AM (7mQyC)

190 Never understood the ski a while, shoot some shit with a pellet gun, ski some more, shoot more shit, ski some more, win! You ever try and shoot after doing a wind-sprint? It ain't easy, jack.

Posted by: garrett at February 05, 2014 10:04 AM (KsP9i)

191 AllenG -

No shit... didn't know that idiot was involved in Enron (was a kid back then).

I guess this is how we know that there's a giant paradigm shift coming w/r/t to American politics and economics. If big business/government has all the money, I guess we end up being a de-facto command economy.

Ah shit. I hate logic.

Posted by: WolfinNC at February 05, 2014 10:04 AM (fOr/v)

192 How can you not like the biathlon?

Posted by: Waterhouse at February 05, 2014 10:04 AM (hBNxo)

193 You ever try and shoot after doing a wind-sprint? It ain't easy, jack. Posted by: garrett at February 05, 2014 02:04 PM (KsP9i) It's going to be ever more exciting when the radioactive polar bears show up!

Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at February 05, 2014 10:04 AM (VtjlW)

194 Do love the insta-hack Olympics story over at WeaselZippers.

Posted by: garrett at February 05, 2014 10:05 AM (KsP9i)

195 I love Drudge's posts of all the CNN people whining about how bad their rooms are. Suck on it, Russia is still a third world country.

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 05, 2014 10:05 AM (0FSuD)

196 Actually I think Marcotte is getting pissed at those defending Woody and the like. Posted by: RWC at February 05, 2014 02:03 PM (fWAjv) Probably. But she's obviously pick-and-choose.

Posted by: --- at February 05, 2014 10:05 AM (MMC8r)

197 It's going to be ever more exciting when the radioactive polar bears show up!

They'd better be multilingual.

Posted by: Coca Cola at February 05, 2014 10:05 AM (6TB1Z)

198 What if we throw in some discretionary spending cuts ten years from now and a post office in Idaho named after Ted Cruz...deal?

Posted by: Joe Biden at February 05, 2014 10:06 AM (XxAYS)

199

The way i see it is the Republicans do not want another shutdown. A shutdown will only be spun to make them look bad. The Democrats would love another shutdown - anything to divert attention away from the continuing explosion that is ObamaCare.

If the above is correct I can see the Republicans not tying a big thing to the debt ceiling hike, keep it small so that it is more difficult for the Democrats to initiate a shutdown and blame it on the Republicans. Lord knows the Democrats have been flailing away at Chris Christie to distract from ObamaCare so I do not think this is completely improbable thinking on my part.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Innuendoes for Both Men and Women at the Outrage Outlet! at February 05, 2014 10:06 AM (hLRSq)

200 193 - Sounds like a bad movie.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at February 05, 2014 10:06 AM (7mQyC)

201 Yeah, well NBC paid for the rights and I intend to find alternative viewing methods whenever possible, but if Team USA is playing Team Canada on NBC, I'll be swimming in Costas. Nothing going to let them ruin that for me just to knock a ten- millionth of a percentage point off their ratings.

Posted by: Lincolntf at February 05, 2014 10:06 AM (ZshNr)

202 193 Um AtC, didn't you get the memo? The polar bears are all DEAD! They used the last one to make Joe Namath's Super Bowl jacket.duh

Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at February 05, 2014 10:06 AM (X+nFp)

203 They'd better be multilingual. Posted by: Coca Cola at February 05, 2014 02:05 PM (6TB1Z) Well played sir!

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 05, 2014 10:06 AM (0FSuD)

204 Um AtC, didn't you get the memo? The polar bears are all DEAD! They used the last one to make Joe Namath's Super Bowl jacket.duh Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at February 05, 2014 02:06 PM Did you see the interview where Namath was all huh who? when asked about PETA? That was hilarious.

Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at February 05, 2014 10:07 AM (VtjlW)

205 Posted by: WolfinNC at February 05, 2014 02:04 PM (fOr/v) Government and Big Business would like nothing better than for us to be a command economy. This is why Conservatives are not "for Big Business" but are for Capitalism. Indeed, Capitalism is itself opposed to "Big Business" in the current paradigm. A command economy is good for Big Government and Big Business. Government because it can "plan" everything, and Business because their profits are assured. At least- in theory. You'd think they'd consult the copious amounts of empirical evidence and find their theory disproven... but no.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 05, 2014 10:07 AM (PYAXX)

206 And when did they go to pellet guns? I thought they were real rifles? Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 05, 2014 02:02 PM (PYAXX) Are you sure they are pellet guns? And hey, at least their not frickin' laser pistols like in London.

Posted by: RWC at February 05, 2014 10:08 AM (fWAjv)

207 Are you sure they are pellet guns? I'm not. I was responding to a comment.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 05, 2014 10:10 AM (PYAXX)

208

The white man came and killed all the Polar Bears in the South Pole.

Posted by: eleven at February 05, 2014 10:10 AM (fsLdt)

209 Are you sure they are pellet guns?

And hey, at least their not frickin' laser pistols like in London.

I think they are .22LR or other small caliber bolt rifle.

Posted by: EC at February 05, 2014 10:11 AM (GQ8sn)

210

The only I could think of that would be worse than being accused of a murder you did not commit is to be accused of child molestation that you did not commit.

Posted by: polynikes at February 05, 2014 10:11 AM (m2CN7)

211 They use .22s in the biathlon.

Posted by: Waterhouse at February 05, 2014 10:11 AM (hBNxo)

212 AllenG -

Yep. Look no further than what's going on in Sochi. $51 billion spent and the toilets don't even work. That's what you get when you combine a powerful central government with a small group of large corporations. You don't get efficiency. You get rampant corruption because there's no feedback mechanism to make everyone honest. And I only took 1 econ course in college. Imagine that...

Posted by: WolfinNC at February 05, 2014 10:11 AM (fOr/v)

213 I'm not. I was responding to a comment. Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 05, 2014 02:10 PM (PYAXX) Oh ok. Just checked, they're .22.

Posted by: RWC at February 05, 2014 10:11 AM (fWAjv)

214 Obama is arrogant.

The GOP is Errorgant.

Posted by: tangonine at February 05, 2014 10:12 AM (x3YFz)

215 The only I could think of thatwould be worse than being accused of a murder you did not commit is to be accused of child molestation that you did not commit. I don't worry about anything but being accused of being a Republican.

Posted by: Hollywood Actor/Producer at February 05, 2014 10:12 AM (KsP9i)

216 Um AtC, didn't you get the memo? The polar bears are all DEAD! They used the last one to make Joe Namath's Super Bowl jacket.duh I can't believe people were getting pissy over a coyote fur coat. Ranks on my concern meter way behind a toilet in China somewheres being stopped up.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 05, 2014 10:13 AM (xorT2)

217 Hey! We should lobby for skeet surfing!

Posted by: EC at February 05, 2014 10:13 AM (GQ8sn)

218 I'm practicing bending over for the repubs, in case they win the elections.

Does this pose make my ass look fat, or do they like it better this way?

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at February 05, 2014 10:13 AM (BZAd3)

219 Yeah, 22LR. Wonder where the fuck they found the ammo? Big Sis give some up? http://tinyurl.com/5kbmvj

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 05, 2014 10:14 AM (0FSuD)

220 OT but immensely disturbing.

http://weaselzippers.us/wp-content/uploads/Linsdeykissgoodbye.jpg

Posted by: pep at February 05, 2014 10:14 AM (6TB1Z)

221 Never understood the ski a while, shoot some shit with a pellet gun, ski some more, shoot more shit, ski some more, win!

The sport was more understandable in its original form, when you skied a while, then clubbed some baby seals, then skied some more.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 05, 2014 10:14 AM (8ZskC)

222 Yeah, 22LR. Wonder where the fuck they found the ammo? Big Sis give some up?

That's about all the Euros can have over there. No bigger.

Posted by: EC at February 05, 2014 10:15 AM (GQ8sn)

223 I got Lindsey Lohan Rick-rolled.

Posted by: eleven at February 05, 2014 10:16 AM (fsLdt)

224

Posted by: pep at February 05, 2014 02:14 PM (6TB1Z)

I laughed but man is that cruel .

Posted by: polynikes at February 05, 2014 10:16 AM (m2CN7)

225 That's about all the Euros can have over there. No bigger.

Posted by: EC at February 05, 2014 02:15 PM (GQ8sn)

surprised they're allowed to shoot them and aren't forced to just throw them at the target.

Posted by: tangonine at February 05, 2014 10:16 AM (x3YFz)

226 Boy, talk about a slow day. Even my old fart friends have not sent me stupid emails with dancing animals. Off for a nap.

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 05, 2014 10:17 AM (0FSuD)

227 Next Olympics, only blowguns are allowed.

Posted by: grognard at February 05, 2014 10:17 AM (/29Nl)

228 "You mean government economists and the heads of our nation's largest companies can't figure out that when the consumers in a consumer driven economy have no money left, the game is up?"

There was an obituary in the _Daily Telegraph_ the other day of a Conservative MP who had spent decades working at the coal face trying to slow down the UK's inexorable postwar industrial decline.

Of the bureaucrats at HM Treasury, he was quoted as saying he had come to view them with "increasing despair: they are brilliant people, hard-working and incorruptible, but in their economic judgments invariably wrong."

The same principle applies everywhere. It's incompetents all the way down.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 05, 2014 10:17 AM (gqT4g)

229 And, let's be honest. The biathlon exists so that there's at least *one* shooting sport where the Euros can compete. Didn't the US sweep Gold in shooting events (rifle, shotgun, pistol) in the last Summer Olympics?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 05, 2014 10:17 AM (PYAXX)

230 A classmate of my niece in college just missed out on the US biathlete team. She joined us for Thanksgiving dinner this year as she is from northern Minnesota (go figure, this is not a tropical sport). Pretty impressive Scandi type. I believe the history of the sport has something to do with Scandi military training. Back in the day, Norwegians, Finns, Ruskies and the like used to cross country ski quite a bit.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 05, 2014 10:17 AM (g1DWB)

231 FFS. Representative Mark Pocan (D., Wis.) sees the Congressional Budget OfficeÂ’s latest finding that there will be 2.5 million fewer jobs due to Obamacare as a positive thing for part-time workers. Because people may not have to work as much, he argued, they can spend more time with their family instead. Â“What that means is instead they might be able to tuck their child in bed at night and read a bedtime story, or go to an activity, which means theyÂ’re better off,Â” he said at a House Budget Committee hearing on Wednesday. Â“At least thatÂ’s how it is in my part of Wisconsin.Â”

Posted by: RWC at February 05, 2014 10:17 AM (fWAjv)

232 BI-athlon? Fab-u-lous! But what about a full-on Ghey-athlon? Stop oppressing me, breeders!

Posted by: Andi Sullivan at February 05, 2014 10:17 AM (7ObY1)

233 You'll get nothing and like it.

Posted by: Emperor Barry at February 05, 2014 10:18 AM (6bMeY)

234 Didn't the US sweep Gold in shooting events (rifle, shotgun, pistol) in the last Summer Olympics?

3 Gun Nation!!!!

Posted by: EC at February 05, 2014 10:18 AM (GQ8sn)

235 I can't believe people were getting pissy over a coyote fur coat. Ranks on my concern meter way behind a toilet in China somewheres being stopped up. Posted by: rickb223 at February 05, 2014 02:13 PM (xorT2)

In Utah they PAY you to shoot coyotes! Menace varmints.

Posted by: LizLem at February 05, 2014 10:18 AM (BF+2f)

236 My cousin was a ranked biathlete and now his son is ranked. All kidding aside, it's a tough and demanding sport.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 05, 2014 10:19 AM (7ObY1)

237 Posted by: EC at February 05, 2014 02:18 PM (GQ8sn) I vaguely remember that because some MFM scrunt got all snippy with one of the US team members about how we'd done so poorly in the bow competition, and the team member shot back with something along the lines of, "What's this 'archery' stuff. Wait until we get to the guns."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 05, 2014 10:20 AM (PYAXX)

238 Â“What that means is instead they might be able to tuck their child in bed at night and read a bedtime story, or go to an activity, which means theyÂ’re better off,Â” he said at a House Budget Committee hearing on Wednesday. Â“At least thatÂ’s how it is in my part of Wisconsin.Â” Shit, in my area, we're too worried about Guam tipping over to leave our childerns alone.

Posted by: Hank Johnson at February 05, 2014 10:20 AM (0FSuD)

239 Nood Jeb Bush.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 05, 2014 10:21 AM (PYAXX)

240 Didn't the US sweep Gold in shooting events (rifle, shotgun, pistol) in the last Summer Olympics?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 05, 2014 02:17 PM (PYAXX)

Well, given that we pick our olympic shooting teams from primarily current or former military, and we've been at war for 13 years, the game's kinda rigged.

Posted by: tangonine at February 05, 2014 10:21 AM (x3YFz)

241 Well, given that we pick our olympic shooting teams from primarily current or former military, and we've been at war for 13 years, the game's kinda rigged.

Which is ironic because the Euros make some of the best long rifles in the world.

Posted by: EC at February 05, 2014 10:23 AM (GQ8sn)

242 Didn't the US sweep Gold in shooting events (rifle, shotgun, pistol) in the last Summer Olympics?

Doesn't look like it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_at_the_2012_Summer_Olympics

Posted by: Waterhouse at February 05, 2014 10:23 AM (hBNxo)

243 After McCain's fiasco presidential campaign I stopped responding to Republicans trolling for donations by mail and email. I've moved from ignoring the requests to writing responses that contain my reasons for not donating. Terms like "no balls" have started finding their way into my responses. Also, I specifically mention McCain's insulting Cruz and Rand Paul. I want every fundraiser out there to know that McCain is costing them money.

Posted by: nerdygirl at February 05, 2014 10:23 AM (Qr7/Z)

244 My cousin was a ranked biathlete and now his son is ranked. All kidding aside, it's a tough and demanding sport. Amen. Props were props are due.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 05, 2014 10:23 AM (xorT2)

245 Torquewrench -

I dunno if it's incompetence so much as it's collusion to control all avenues of power. In the West, if you can get rich, you can be powerful. If you can't get rich, well, oops, I guess the powerful don't have to worry anymore about someone taking their power away.

I've often thought that there was too much a coincidence between Europe rising up against the elites in 1848, and Marx's manifesto coming out the same year. Communism is just Plan B for the elite to prevent the middle class from threatening their power.

Posted by: WolfinNC at February 05, 2014 10:23 AM (fOr/v)

246 I'm making hot dogs.

Posted by: Soothsayer and the Cult Jam at February 05, 2014 10:23 AM (iwCB8)

247 What a bunch of old women. Even the Whigs weren't that pussified!
Do you hear Indians?

Posted by: zombie brigadier general william hull at February 05, 2014 10:25 AM (LLfr9)

248

Amerciana trivia:

What future General competed in the Olympic Pentathlon and to his detriment, used his .38 instead of a .22 that the rest of the field used. He had 8 misses counted which probably were bullseyes but they went through the gapping hole created by the .38 round.

Posted by: polynikes at February 05, 2014 10:25 AM (m2CN7)

249 What future General competed in the Olympic Pentathlon and to his detriment, used his .38 instead of a .22 that the rest of the field used. He had 8 misses counted which probably were bullseyes but they went through the gapping hole created by the .38 round.

Patton.

Posted by: EC at February 05, 2014 10:26 AM (GQ8sn)

250 I'm voting Bevin hopefully he wins But regardless there is no way Grimes wins We're not to bright but not stupid

Posted by: Doug at February 05, 2014 10:27 AM (H6fvX)

251 Posted by: Nip Sip at February 05, 2014 01:51 PM (0FSuD)

*tentatively raises hand*

I can't help it, despite the behind the scenes corruption and stupid overhyping by NBC of chosen athletes, etc, I do. But this year is going to be a weird one, with possible terrorism, unlivable venues, etc. Also I have a feeling I am going to have to sit through Bob Costas lecturing me every night, so looking forward to THAT.

I have a feeling I am going to have a lot of schadenfreude moments during the olympics as corruption rears its ugly head. One of my cousins served his mission in Russia, will be interesting to hear his take on things. When we mailed him care packages we had to label them BIBLES so they would be unmolested; otherwise the Russia post office/customs picked them clean.

Posted by: LizLem at February 05, 2014 10:27 AM (BF+2f)

252 So, voting R isn't going to stop anything either ? Giving them the House and Senate is just insuring another 30 million people to drive down wages and drive up taxes ? Far out. It's. Already. Burning

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at February 05, 2014 10:30 AM (SwHqo)

253 As far as I know .22 LR is used for biathlons.

Posted by: Mainah at February 05, 2014 10:30 AM (659DL)

254 *looks around abandoned thread*

*turns off the lights, runs puppy-style to new thread*

Posted by: LizLem at February 05, 2014 10:31 AM (BF+2f)

255 I believe the history of the sport has something to do with Scandi military training. Back in the day, Norwegians, Finns, Ruskies and the like used to cross country ski quite a bit.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 05, 2014 02:17 PM (g1DWB)

Check out what the Finnish ski troopers did to the Red Army in 1940. Now that was impressive.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Innuendoes for Both Men and Women at the Outrage Outlet! at February 05, 2014 10:44 AM (hLRSq)

256

Posted by: RWC at February 05, 2014 02:17 PM (fWAjv)

They can tuck their children into their cots at the homeless shelter before they go play a few relaxing hands of euchre because they have no money and lost the house.

These people are desperately doubling down on stupid. As if the crew of the Titanic pointing out that all of the water means that each cabin now has its own bath.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Innuendoes for Both Men and Women at the Outrage Outlet! at February 05, 2014 10:47 AM (hLRSq)

257 It Can't Burn Soon EnoughÂ™. Brought to you by your democrat-republican party

Posted by: Bob from table9 at February 05, 2014 10:52 AM (jsa6I)

258 Is there any way that we can mandate: all oil sent by rail, in lieu of the keystone pipeline, will be routed through Blue States, thus ensuring that any spills or other environmental disasters land on them.... ?

Posted by: RobM1981 at February 05, 2014 10:55 AM (zurJC)

259 O/T Dramatic image from MRO

So SMOD missed. Can we get a reload?

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at February 05, 2014 11:04 AM (DL2i+)

260 How can you not like the biathlon?
Posted by: Waterhouse

Missed a Barney Fwank sock there. That'll cost you 2 ampersands.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at February 05, 2014 11:11 AM (DL2i+)

261 What future General competed in the Olympic Pentathlon and to his detriment, used his .38 instead of a .22 that the rest of the field used. He had 8 misses counted which probably were bullseyes but they went through the gapping hole created by the .38 round. Posted by: polynikes

That problem was solved by placing a motorized paper scroller behind the target (think old-style piano paper roll). Modern scoring systems use acoustic, light, or contact technologies and computerized scores.

Posted by: mrp at February 05, 2014 11:25 AM (JBggj)

262 That left Republican leaders with no clear alternative to addressing the debt limit, which the Treasury Department has said needs to be raised by the end of February. Why does the debt limit have to be raised? Hasn't the federal government run up enough debt already? If the answer to that is no, then how much is enough?

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at February 05, 2014 11:51 AM (jVaLp)

263 It's just stupid to keep starting fights you cannot win.

You KNOW - unless you are really really stupid, like dumb enough trust anything that comes out of Marco Rubio's lying mouth - Harry Reid isn't going to let anything cutting ObamaCare or restricting the President's options on Keystone to EVER come to a vote in the Senate. It's just not going to happen.

There's no reason to engage in useless theater just to appease raving lunatics, who will then just be enraged when their red meat is taken away.

Posted by: Adjoran at February 05, 2014 01:06 PM (QIQ6j)

264 Brandon We're for sure The Last in Line

Posted by: ginaswo at February 05, 2014 01:55 PM (I3Aay)

265 Two words: Matt Bevin.

Two more: Ditch Mitch.

Two more: Problem solved.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at February 05, 2014 02:29 PM (KL49F)

266 I really hope that Bevin can pull together a credible primary challenge, and if I lived in that state I'd be backing him hugely, but the hour is very late, and The Money is a powerful and insidious opponent for anyone to take on as a small outsider.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 05, 2014 01:47 PM (gqT4g)

He already has. Poll two days ago showed Bevin up four points against Dem Grimes while Mitch could only muster a TIE. IOW, Bevin is now more liked than McConnell and he only has 42% name recognition. He has nowhere to go but UP. Couple with Mitch's 39% approval rating, and we got something! But watch out for Mitch's mudslinging and backstabbing against Bevin, he's nasty when he's crossed.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at February 05, 2014 02:31 PM (KL49F)

267 250 I'm voting Bevin hopefully he wins But regardless there is no way Grimes wins We're not to bright but not stupid

Posted by: Doug at February 05, 2014 02:27 PM (H6fvX)

Actually, if McConnell manages to win the primary, it would be better for the nation if KY then votes for Grimes. McConnell as "leader" is poison to this nation. He must be ousted even if it means having to vote Dem in the general. And since he can only muster a tie with Grimes and his approval rating is in the toilet, that just might happen. Praying Bevin ousts him tho and goes on to win in November.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at February 05, 2014 02:33 PM (KL49F)

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