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February 04, 2014

Rosie Scenario Has Left the Building
CBO Nearly Triples Estimate of Work Hours Lost Due to Obamacare
— andy

[CBO cited] new estimates that the Affordable Care Act will cause a larger than-expected reduction in working hours - eliminating the equivalent of about 2.3 million workers in 2021 versus a previous estimate of an 800,000 decline.

If only someone could've cut through this manure beforehand, but we had to pass the law to find out what was in it. Or so I'm told. Of course, we all know what was in it ...

Posted by: andy at 06:43 AM | Comments (415)
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1 "two or fewer"

Easier to just say 'single'.

Posted by: EC at February 04, 2014 06:45 AM (GQ8sn)

2 Welcome to my healthcare law!

Posted by: Bane at February 04, 2014 06:45 AM (Q9qpj)

3 Not first !!!

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 04, 2014 06:46 AM (RtoRe)

4 If you like your............ aaahh fergit it.

Posted by: Roland THTG at February 04, 2014 06:47 AM (QM5S2)

5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWN7byJbV1w

Screen door in a Led Zeppelin.

Posted by: LC LaWedgie at February 04, 2014 06:47 AM (KQp38)

6 Um, why would we pass it anyway even with the estimated 800,000 jobs to be lost? That seems like something that was important.

Posted by: AMDG at February 04, 2014 06:47 AM (t7OO0)

7 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 04, 2014 06:47 AM (PYAXX)

8 Which is why we have to raise the minimum wage.

Duh.

Posted by: RoyalOil at February 04, 2014 06:47 AM (VjL9S)

9 The blowback is going to be huge. Moderates/independents who will vote in 2014 are going to vote overwhelmingly Republican. I'm thinking 55 seats or bust.

Posted by: David at February 04, 2014 06:47 AM (UtRhK)

10 My daughter just graduated from high school. I feel so bad for her right now.

Posted by: Viridian at February 04, 2014 06:48 AM (5ypJ8)

11 I had read when CBO first came out with estimates of costs that they could only use information presented to them by the administration and congress? ,to give estimates.. Is this true?

Posted by: willow at February 04, 2014 06:48 AM (nqBYe)

12 Just consider the productivity loss to finding people who know how to comply with it. It's more than it was pre-Obamacare. Regulation creep.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 04, 2014 06:48 AM (T0NGe)

13 Does good news ever come with the unexpectedly tag? It's almost as if all the predictors and prognosticators are lying through their squeakholes.

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 04, 2014 06:48 AM (6bMeY)

14 Amnesty will fix all of our unemployment problems! And the Dreamers will be a real boon to our public school system, too!

Posted by: Y-not aka t-shirt at February 04, 2014 06:49 AM (zDsvJ)

15 Is the CBO racist now?

Posted by: NR Pax at February 04, 2014 06:49 AM (oDCMR)

16 I'm not sure what the problem is. Everything would be OK if Congress would just pass a minimum wage increase. Our brave young president told me so.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at February 04, 2014 06:50 AM (r+7wo)

17 Ya know, sure, um ah, I fumble the ball(s) sometimes, but I um, ah don't let that get me down, ya know like you guys umahhhh, I keep thinking of better things to do.

XOX

JEF

Posted by: Bruce at February 04, 2014 06:50 AM (rr895)

18 I had read when CBO first came out with estimates of costs that they could only use information presented to them by the administration and congress? ,to give estimates.. Is this true?

Yes. CBO scoring is made from what the laws are at the present, not future estimates or future laws.

Posted by: EC at February 04, 2014 06:50 AM (GQ8sn)

19 14 eliminating the equivalent of about 2.3 million workers in 2021 versus a previous estimate of an 800,000 decline Unless we allow the amnesty of tens of million illegals this number could be much higher. --- Can we go ahead and replace these assholes with their non-union equalivants?

Posted by: Sterling Archer at February 04, 2014 06:50 AM (/Crba)

20 13 Does good news ever come with the unexpectedly tag? It's almost as if all the predictors and prognosticators are lying through their squeakholes. Posted by: Boss Moss at February 04, 2014 10:48 AM (6bMeY) Only when the president is GOP.

Posted by: AMDG at February 04, 2014 06:50 AM (t7OO0)

21 6 Um, why would we pass it anyway even with the estimated 800,000 jobs to be lost? That seems like something that was important.
========
Wasn't it either Nancy or Slo Joe that said it'd create--from day of passage--400k or 500k jobs a month?

You know, all those repressed artists suddenly free of the shackles of their daily grind working for someone else merely to keep their health care would suddenly pour forth a torrent of creative works, sparking the ingenuity and entrepreneurship of all America?

Posted by: RoyalOil at February 04, 2014 06:50 AM (VjL9S)

22 I had read when CBO first came out with estimates of costs that they could only use information presented to them by the administration and congress? ,to give estimates.. Is this true? IIRC, yes. They could only work with the numbers furnished.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 04, 2014 06:50 AM (t+DWU)

23 and yes , my daughter has been a casualty kicked back to a 30 hour work week. and must cough up another 500 and so dollars for health care , also
she must be grateful that she still Keeps a job.

cause that's how great the economy is according to David Gregory.

Posted by: willow at February 04, 2014 06:50 AM (nqBYe)

24 11 I had read when CBO first came out with estimates of costs that they could only use information presented to them by the administration and congress? ,to give estimates.. Is this true? Absolutely true and Congress knows how to game the system. That's why you see all of these 10-year plans. It's why Obamacare "started" two years before the "benefits". It was 10 years of revenue and 8 years of cost.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 04, 2014 06:51 AM (T0NGe)

25 Look - o'care is working exactly as expected. Barry said so to O'Reilly.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at February 04, 2014 06:51 AM (BZAd3)

26 Does good news ever come with the unexpectedly tag? A good point. It says more about what the expectations are than what the news is.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 04, 2014 06:51 AM (T0NGe)

27 rick, so if We and They were given False information does that have standing?

Posted by: willow at February 04, 2014 06:52 AM (nqBYe)

28 My God....it's full of shit!

Posted by: DangerGirl and her Sanity Prod (tm) at February 04, 2014 06:52 AM (x1L8S)

29 Well, FoxNews lied. It's the only explanation.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at February 04, 2014 06:52 AM (V7kwu)

30 I hate Oblabocare. I hate winter. I hate being cold. I hate the higher cost of electricity. I hate the price of gas, milk, and every other damned thing I need for my family's well being. I hate this stupid economy. But more than anything, I hate Barky and his malignant Marxist minions.

Posted by: madamemayhem at February 04, 2014 06:52 AM (S2RnE)

31 The blowback is going to be huge. Moderates/independents who will vote in 2014 are going to vote overwhelmingly Republican. Hey, give us some credit here!

Posted by: Your GOP Quisling Establishment at February 04, 2014 06:52 AM (naUcP)

32 Our ruling class are truly committed to recreating a feudal society. Interesting times ahead....

Posted by: [/i]KG at February 04, 2014 06:52 AM (p7BzH)

33 May all those milleNnial idiots who voted for Obama get what they voted for.

GOOD AND HARD.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 04, 2014 06:53 AM (75jO+)

34 I'm sure our compassionate president really cares about all the people affected by this (as he so poignantly displayed to the fry cook guy the other day) that he will do everything in his power to rectify the situation.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at February 04, 2014 06:53 AM (r+7wo)

35 You don't think I actually know what I'm talking about in interviews do you? I just study the talking points that Valerie gives me in between golf and Reggie.

Posted by: King Barakakan I at February 04, 2014 06:53 AM (Aif/5)

36 Sssssssssssssssssssssss...

Posted by: The Fuse on the Employer Mandate Bomb at February 04, 2014 06:53 AM (75jO+)

37 We Evils Cons just didn't WILL it to work hard enough. Now put on your ruby slippers and click your heels.

Posted by: Y-not aka t-shirt at February 04, 2014 06:53 AM (zDsvJ)

38 All I have seen in my community is desolation and devastation since it was apparent the JEF would be coronated.

404 "care" will only make it worse. Maroons...

Posted by: backhoe at February 04, 2014 06:53 AM (ULH4o)

39 LoneStarHeeb, yes it is 2,500 hundred cheaper, And also Free, and also Keep Our doctors, and
also Free!

Posted by: willow at February 04, 2014 06:53 AM (nqBYe)

40 I hate Barky and his malignant Marxist minions.
Posted by: madamemayhem

I can just see Slo Joe with a megaphone going,

BEDOBEDOBEDOBEDOBEDOBEDOBEDOBEDOBEDO

Posted by: Bruce at February 04, 2014 06:54 AM (rr895)

41 Free because Sandra Fluke , so yes Fluke does have something to do with the economy.

Posted by: willow at February 04, 2014 06:54 AM (nqBYe)

42 Look. Give everyone $50/hr whether or not they are employed.

Problem solved.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at February 04, 2014 06:54 AM (fwARV)

43 Posted by: Your GOP Quisling Establishment at February 04, 2014 10:52 AM (naUcP) I was going to qualify it, but I didn't want to dampen the political atmosphere. The real world atmosphere is bad enough.

Posted by: David at February 04, 2014 06:54 AM (UtRhK)

The ACA walks into a bar and orders a beer.

The bartender says, " I'm going to need to see your I.D. "

ACA replies, " No problem, as soon as I finish my beer"

Posted by: polynikes at February 04, 2014 06:54 AM (m2CN7)

45 26 Look - o'care is working exactly as expected. Barry said so to O'Reilly. Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at February 04, 2014 10:51 AM (BZAd3) I'm thinking that Choomnomics needs a little tweaking, but Choomcare is working as envisioned. In the long run, you understand.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at February 04, 2014 06:54 AM (V7kwu)

46 and yes , my daughter has been a casualty kicked back to a 30 hour work week. and must cough up another 500 and so dollars for health care , also
she must be grateful that she still Keeps a job.

I think I'd skip that last step and just go full Free Shit, if I was still young enough to have a baby.

Posted by: Ligers and tigons and grolar bears, oh my at February 04, 2014 06:55 AM (ZKzrr)

47 rick, so if We and They were given False information does that have standing? Only if the courts say so. And they won't. Because #unexpectedly!

Posted by: rickb223 at February 04, 2014 06:56 AM (t+DWU)

48 The sound of a lone cricket is being muffled by 25 tons of cotton batting and a stack of acoustic ceiling tiles.

Posted by: jakeman at February 04, 2014 06:56 AM (vH4YP)

49 Amish,

nice dealio for them.

Posted by: willow at February 04, 2014 06:56 AM (nqBYe)

50 Where did my Coloradan Glaucoma Medicine get to?

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 04, 2014 06:56 AM (6bMeY)

51 By golly, it looks like a tax!

Posted by: Chief Justice John Roberts, Now Grown to Enormous Stature in Office at February 04, 2014 06:57 AM (75jO+)

52 quel surprise

Posted by: Steve in Greensboro at February 04, 2014 06:57 AM (Dq8Uc)

53 we had to pass the law to find out what was in it. Or so I'm told. Pelosi should have been dragged thru the streets for that comment. What an insult to the American people -- at least the ones who weren't obots in 2008 and 2012.

Posted by: Judge Pug at February 04, 2014 06:57 AM (NRYdU)

54 C'mon, join the chorus: Burn it down. Scatter the stones. Salt the earth where it stood. IF we had an opposition party, they'd be screaming from the rooftops about this, saying "we told you so," (nicely), and working feverishly to get support for repeal (which means airing a lot of pro-repeal ads in Democrat controlled districts, among other things). What said (imaginary) opposition party would *not* be doing is trying to distance itself from its own base.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 04, 2014 06:57 AM (PYAXX)

55 Raises for everyone. There, problem solved. Of course, these hours wouldn't have been lost in the first if it wasn't for Geor...I mean FOX News.

Posted by: President Obama at February 04, 2014 06:58 AM (vBhbc)

56 The job losses will be totally worth it, because SUBJUGATION, bitchez.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 04, 2014 06:58 AM (75jO+)

57 2.3 million lost jobs? Hell, but 3 million new people have insurance, so there's that.

Posted by: scottst at February 04, 2014 06:58 AM (Fp9Vt)

58 Saw a clip of O'Reilly's interview with Prezy. Prezy said that the claim from Fox that there had been a massive increase in the welfare state under his administration was exaggerated and wasn't nearly what Fox portrayed it as. His lying puts Clinton to shame. Bill Clinton always looked a little guilty and uncomfortable when he was lying and you could see it. This one lies, looks away, and smirks. It is so disgusting.

Posted by: Jen at February 04, 2014 06:58 AM (4t/Y9)

59 51?

I was never a big weed user but all this foolishness makes me think of "turn on, tune in, and drop out." Why not?

Posted by: backhoe at February 04, 2014 06:59 AM (ULH4o)

60 IF we had an opposition party, they'd be screaming from the rooftops about this, saying "we told you so," (nicely), and working feverishly to get support for repeal (which means airing a lot of pro-repeal ads in Democrat controlled districts, among other things). Along with ads of the burning employer mandate fuse.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 04, 2014 06:59 AM (t+DWU)

61 Hell, but 3 million new people have insurance, so there's that.

I forget what percentage of those 3M have Medicaid as their "insurance."

Posted by: Ligers and tigons and grolar bears, oh my at February 04, 2014 06:59 AM (ZKzrr)

62 What said (imaginary) opposition party would *not* be doing is trying to distance itself from its own base. Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It.

I'm sorry. We'd like to do something about it, but Barack just gets so ding dong mad at us then.
We think maybe getting some of those illegal alien people legalized will make him like us again. Maybe we'll get invited to the big sleepover he's got planned.

XOX

The loyal Opposition party.

Posted by: Bruce at February 04, 2014 07:00 AM (rr895)

63 We're about to embark on a grand experiment to find whether the citizens of a once great nation can create a viable economy based solely on taking money from each other.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 04, 2014 07:00 AM (75jO+)

64 I love it when they call the CBO the non partisan CBO. That bullshit cracks me up, just like when they call that boy loving Communist Larry Sabato a nonpartisan.

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 04, 2014 07:00 AM (6bMeY)

65 The Washington Post also has more from the CBO today:

"CBO: Botched health-care law rollout will reduce signups by 1 million people"

Posted by: Jay in PA at February 04, 2014 07:00 AM (3LaGb)

66 On a related note, Mrs. Jakeman's corporate insurer just sent us a nice little note that they'll be doing a first-ever "dependent audit" this year. I wonder if they're a wee bit suspicious of widespread fraud?

Posted by: jakeman at February 04, 2014 07:00 AM (vH4YP)

67 2.3 million lost jobs? Hell, but 3 million ~~new people have insurance~~ folks had good insurance replaced by overpriced crap, so there's that. Me? Wet blanket? Perish the thought...

Posted by: Brother Cavil at February 04, 2014 07:00 AM (naUcP)

68 If only someone could've cut through this manure beforehand, but we had to pass the law to find out what was in it. Or so I'm told.

They did think this out beforehand.

Diminishing America to the equivalent of lesser nations and their people was always the point.

Posted by: Methos at February 04, 2014 07:00 AM (hO9ad)

69 I believe Obama had said 6 million at the time of O 'Really interview had signed on (via the site ) to Medicaid .

Posted by: willow at February 04, 2014 07:01 AM (nqBYe)

70 And? What's the point? Is there a political implication here?

Posted by: Soothsayer at February 04, 2014 07:02 AM (/hs1M)

71 Yes but Sarah Palin is a big old dummy and Romney a poopy headed square.

Posted by: blaster at February 04, 2014 07:02 AM (4+AaH)

72 It was never about health care. It was about gathering your data to use against you.

Liberalism in a nutshell.

Posted by: Null at February 04, 2014 07:02 AM (DuH+r)

73 Think of all the time we'll have for cowboy poetry though....

Posted by: B at February 04, 2014 07:03 AM (5OEha)

74 Hell, but 3 million new people have insurance, so there's that. I forget what percentage of those 3M have Medicaid as their "insurance." Give it 5 to 10 years when grannie or the parents croak & people find out 404Care is taking their inheritance to pay back medicaid.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 04, 2014 07:03 AM (t+DWU)

75 One day we the people might have standing?

ahahhaahhhha

Posted by: willow at February 04, 2014 07:03 AM (nqBYe)

76 The State Exchanges claim most of the signups are for Medicaid. Not too many actual paying customers. Math? Forget it.

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 04, 2014 07:03 AM (6bMeY)

77 Pelosi should have been dragged thru the streets for that comment. What an insult to the American people -- at least the ones who weren't obots in 2008 and 2012. Posted by: Judge Pug at February 04, 2014 10:57 AM (NRYdU) Yes, and we still reelected TFG

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at February 04, 2014 07:03 AM (R8hU8)

78 I had read when CBO first came out with estimates of costs that they could only use information presented to them by the administration and congress? ,to give estimates.. Is this true?

Yes. Except when it's a Republican administration and congress.

Posted by: Mega at February 04, 2014 07:03 AM (hHFOx)

79 If only someone could've cut through this manure beforehand, but we had to pass the law to find out what was in it. Or so I'm told. I hear it's too dangerous to oppose this law. It would be suicide to call for its repeal as part of a debt ceiling increase. Because it's so popular, you see.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at February 04, 2014 07:03 AM (0hIQR)

80 I believe Obama had said 6 million at the time of O 'Really interview had signed on (via the site ) to Medicaid . And that's a huge win for TFG and the Democrats. Remember- single payer is what they *want*. They'll be more than happy to do it via forced Medicaid expansion and then the Fed taking control of Medicaid (which they can do by saying "you will do this and you won't do that, or we'll withhold your Medicaid money." Kinda like they do with "environmental standards" and road funding).

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 04, 2014 07:04 AM (PYAXX)

81 Rosie, you're all right You wear my ring.

Posted by: jakeman at February 04, 2014 07:04 AM (vH4YP)

82 You have to break a few ~~eggs~~ Kulaks to make an omlette.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at February 04, 2014 07:04 AM (0Jb7F)

83 Irish Rebellion. Don't sign up, go have a pint.

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 04, 2014 07:04 AM (6bMeY)

84 Mega, i believe the initial CBO report said it was going to be a net gain.

c-span i believe.

o -well. these things just happen, no one is responsible .

Posted by: willow at February 04, 2014 07:05 AM (nqBYe)

85 They changed the language of "America the Beautiful" because they wanted no one to understand all of it.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at February 04, 2014 07:05 AM (0hIQR)

86 I hear it's too dangerous to oppose this law. It would be suicide to call for its repeal as part of a debt ceiling increase.

Because it's so popular, you see.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk

It wasn't the hill to die on.

We think there's another one coming up though, Somewhere in the middle of the fruited plains.

Posted by: Bruce at February 04, 2014 07:05 AM (rr895)

87 Give it 5 to 10 years when grannie or the parents croak & people find out 404Care is taking their inheritance to pay back medicaid.

I'm actually OK with that. If you've got assets to care for yourself, why the fuck are you taking money from me?

Posted by: Ligers and tigons and grolar bears, oh my at February 04, 2014 07:05 AM (ZKzrr)

88 Officially upgrading my status from Let It Burn to Pass Me My Toasting Fork.

Posted by: B at February 04, 2014 07:06 AM (5OEha)

89 Hi, my name is Paul Ryan and I have a plan to save the GOPe.

Posted by: Paul Ryan at February 04, 2014 07:07 AM (Aif/5)

90 MKH is on the VIEW right now!

Posted by: Soothsayer at February 04, 2014 07:07 AM (/hs1M)

91 I'm actually OK with that. If you've got assets to care for yourself, why the fuck are you taking money from me? Medicaid is no longer just for the indigent. People with means are being forced onto it due to 404Care signups.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 04, 2014 07:07 AM (t+DWU)

92 Wow the headline from 'The Hill' is even more blunt:

CBO: O-Care slowing growth, contributing to job losses

Posted by: Jay in PA at February 04, 2014 07:07 AM (3LaGb)

93 Allen, i have really had an issue wrapping my head around this re; Women being on board, I grew up (yes a hippy , but never would i have dreamed women would sell out their wombs and health for a purported bowl of bcontrol pills.

Posted by: willow at February 04, 2014 07:07 AM (nqBYe)

94 You're welcome, America.

Posted by: John Roberts at February 04, 2014 07:07 AM (0hIQR)

26 Look - o'care is working exactly as expected. Barry said so to O'Reilly.

Well, yeah.

It was designed to totally fuck up the private health insurance industry.

Posted by: Roland THTG at February 04, 2014 07:08 AM (QM5S2)

96 Californians turn to rain dances for drought relief. http://tinyurl.com/l8z29lt Bwaaaa-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha..... *cough* *choke* Bwaaaa-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha......

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at February 04, 2014 07:08 AM (V7kwu)

97 CBO estimate are never right. If they are saying 2 million now, the number is probably closer to 3 million.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 04, 2014 07:09 AM (g1DWB)

98 97 Why didn't they call me?

Posted by: Fauxcohontas at February 04, 2014 07:09 AM (6bMeY)

99 Saw a fellow on Fox News talking about vehicle-to-vehicle technology, which the feds want to mandate on vehicles starting in 2016. Cars would talk to each other to warn each other about road conditions.

Hemmer: But is it affordable?

Shill: Yeah. It'll be just like electric car technology: a few years ago, it was very expensive, but now it's affordable!

AFAIK electric cars are only as affordable as they are due to government subsidies or automakers selling them at a loss to help their fleet mileage and emissions numbers.

Sadly, Hemmer didn't call him on it.

Posted by: Anachronda at February 04, 2014 07:09 AM (U82Km)

100 It was designed to totally fuck up the private health insurance industry. Yay! Money!

Posted by: Health Insurance providers at February 04, 2014 07:09 AM (0hIQR)

101 Bill Clinton always looked a little guilty and uncomfortable when he was lying and you could see it.
This one lies, looks away, and smirks. It is so disgusting.

Posted by: Jen at February 04, 2014 10:58 AM (4t/Y9)

Yeah, and he always did that thing where he looked over at the interviewer out of the corners of his eyes with a look on his face that said, "You buyin' this, hoss? Or do I have to tap dance a little longer."

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, think mink. at February 04, 2014 07:09 AM (kXoT0)

102 MKH is on the VIEW right now! Posted by: Soothsayer at February 04, 2014 11:07 AM (/hs1M) Not even that would make me turn on that show.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at February 04, 2014 07:10 AM (bCEmE)

103 MKH who?

Posted by: Fauxcohontas at February 04, 2014 07:10 AM (6bMeY)

104 Californians turn to rain dances for drought relief. California: The world's largest open-air insane asylum.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at February 04, 2014 07:10 AM (naUcP)

105 Reposting from bottom of last thread... MK Hammer is Co-hosting the View. I tuned in because I heard Dana Loesh was on yesterday.

Posted by: shredded chi - cereal killer at February 04, 2014 07:10 AM (KmwZx)

106 80 If only someone could've cut through this manure beforehand, but we had to pass the law to find out what was in it. Or so I'm told. I hear it's too dangerous to oppose this law. It would be suicide to call for its repeal as part of a debt ceiling increase. Because it's so popular, you see. Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at February 04, 2014 11:03 AM (0hIQR) No no it's too suicidal to talk about repeal period. Because you see Obama will never repeal it so why even make it an issue. Best just to go along to get along. Convincing people that you actually have a spine and principles and are will at least make the effort to fight it is just awful. Gutless whiny pussies bring that up everyday here after all and that's just the kind of thinking we need to take the senate.

Posted by: Buzzion at February 04, 2014 07:10 AM (R3md8)

107 Republicans should be saying , "We Told You so!"

we care about people like you! we told you it would harm you and your family.

ahahahahaha
see Cruz's treatment by GOP

instead hey ignore aca and let's focus on amnesty a real win for us!

Posted by: willow at February 04, 2014 07:10 AM (nqBYe)

108 Say it with me ... UNEXPECTEDLY! Or, UNPOSSIBLE!

Posted by: ExSnipe at February 04, 2014 07:11 AM (LKJt3)

109 Not even that would make me turn on that show. Ditto. Now, hand her a minigun and we'll talk.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at February 04, 2014 07:11 AM (naUcP)

110 There must be some way we can fuck this up.

Posted by: John Boner at February 04, 2014 07:11 AM (6bMeY)

111 out of the corners of his eyes with a look on his face that said, "You buyin' this, hoss? Or do I have to tap dance a little longer."

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, think mink. at February 04, 2014 11:09 AM (kXoT0)

RAAYYYYYYy

Posted by: Mega at February 04, 2014 07:12 AM (hHFOx)

112

They let Nancy Pelosi write this law.

Think about that.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Innuendoes for Both Men and Women at the Outrage Outlet! at February 04, 2014 07:13 AM (hLRSq)

113 Posted by: willow at February 04, 2014 11:07 AM (nqBYe) Actually, the thing to remember is that "women" didn't. This is something on which the GOP got majorly bamboozled- and one of the reasons I'm so mad at the GOP for giving Harry Reid is pre-Christmas vote. The law has *never* been popular. I think the closest it ever got was on purely theoretical questions by very left leaning polling groups. On those it would tend to be in the 50%+ range- but most polls- even at the time- showed a majority (however thin) opposed. And opposition has only gotten stronger, deeper, and more broad as people have come to "find out what's in it." If the GOP *really* opposed the law, they could repeal it- either by forcing the Democrats to cry "uncle" or by showing that the Democrats won't, and winning a majority in Congress. Would TFG veto the repeal? Yes. Would Congress be able to override? Almost certainly not. But it would be seen (if Republicans built consensus by going to the people via direct adds and such) as SCOAMT vetoing a very popular repeal bill, rather than Republicans trying to "destroy Obama's legacy achievement."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 04, 2014 07:13 AM (PYAXX)

114 I saw Rosie Scenario open for Cinderella in 1988. She was high, or maybe I was.

Posted by: Bane at February 04, 2014 07:13 AM (Q9qpj)

115 TSA officer at Bush IAH arrested, accused of making terroristic threat.

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 04, 2014 07:13 AM (6bMeY)

116 I like the fact that it is just now dawning on the Millennial Metrosexual Males that Ocare is going to force them to pay for every womyn's BC and Abortions, not just the one or two with whom they have a slim chance of getting lucky.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, think mink. at February 04, 2014 07:14 AM (kXoT0)

117 If only there was some way to change things. It would have to be something huge though, on the scale of our electoral and legislative process.

Posted by: Mega at February 04, 2014 07:14 AM (hHFOx)

118 Seeing the casual hate--HATE--the leftist feel free to spout forth because a few people--rightly--noticed the Coke ad was stupid is something to behold.*

Look, it's not the the multilingual part that is stupid.

(My initial thoughts)
It's the utter and transparent pandering of a totally discredited lie by a commercial corporation: That we are a better country if we embrace all these tenants of the multicultural leftists.

They, the multicultural leftist** have done their best to destroy the idea that is America, that being an American is the most unique, the highest ideal for any man, and given us that cheap notion that all cultures are equal.

I think that's what bugged me, that the song was supposed to be just as good no matter the language. No. It's a song about America. No more than Himno Nacional Mexicano would make sense in English.

Oh, and just because I don't swoon because a song about America is sung in different languages doesn't make me a racist.
So fuck you leftists.

*Is is just me, or are the leftists losing their damned minds? As they see every single "we won" crash and fail?

**And let us take a moment and be honest here: As usual, they don't believe a word they say. They have one culture, one they wish to force upon everyone: Communism, marxims, socialism, et al.--the grinding boot of the godless state upon all who dare be individuals.

Posted by: RoyalOil at February 04, 2014 07:14 AM (VjL9S)

119 [CBO cited] new estimates that the Affordable Care Act will cause a larger than-expected reduction in working hours - eliminating the equivalent of about 2.3 million workers in 2021 versus a previous estimate of an 800,000 decline. ===== This is a lotta hoop-di-do and ado.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Nancy Pelosi at February 04, 2014 07:14 AM (bCEmE)

120 Reposting from bottom of last thread... MK Hammer is Co-hosting the View. I tuned in because I heard Dana Loesh was on yesterday. --------------- I just want to make this clear. We are not related. Bastard stole my nic.

Posted by: Joseph Goebbels at February 04, 2014 07:15 AM (aDwsi)

121 It's just a rounding error.

Posted by: The CBO at February 04, 2014 07:15 AM (6bMeY)

122 Boosh's fault again!

Posted by: Y-not aka t-shirt at February 04, 2014 07:15 AM (zDsvJ)

123 In this moment of national distress, the time has come to legalize millions of low-wage, low-skill workers and their public service-using families. Just because its good for the country, and its good for the Republican Party.

Posted by: Paul Ryan at February 04, 2014 07:15 AM (75jO+)

124 smart cars + stupid drivers = traffic jam

Posted by: Mac D. Modul at February 04, 2014 07:16 AM (AIuEp)

125 121 - Well..., that would have worked better if I wasn't wearing the Goebbels sock..

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 04, 2014 07:16 AM (aDwsi)

126 Rosie Palm > Rosie Scenario

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 04, 2014 07:17 AM (7ObY1)

127 This is the perfect time to do something about immigration. Signed, The Usual Suspects Developing...

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 04, 2014 07:18 AM (659DL)

128 Re: "Fauxcahontas" My kids watched Pocahontas (the stupid Disney movie) for the first time yesterday (no- I'm not the one who allowed it). I about barfed on the scenes I saw. Who knew the Europeans settling in the New World was all about racism and oppression? And that the native Indian tribes weren't "savages?" I mean, I was pretty sure Europeans settling the New World was about opportunity and (frankly) population pressure. And I was pretty sure that not having a written language, not having advanced past stone-age technology, and not even having figured out farming was pretty well the definition of "savage" at the time. Heck, the Mesopotamians had figured out farming (and, therefore, beer) a good 4000+ years previously.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 04, 2014 07:18 AM (PYAXX)

129 You know what caused it to triple? Using the term Rosie.

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 04, 2014 07:18 AM (6bMeY)

130 They let Nancy Pelosi write this law. Think about that. No she didn't. It was sitting for years, prolly decades, in some anonymous staffer's locked desk drawer. Nobody here could pick the real authors out of a lineup, likely as not.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at February 04, 2014 07:18 AM (naUcP)

131 smart cars + stupid drivers = ~~traffic jam~~ Monster Truck rally Better.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 04, 2014 07:19 AM (PYAXX)

132 From the article...
"...almost entirely because workers will choose to supply less labor..."

Workers will choose. Guess that means there will be more to joining the FSA.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at February 04, 2014 07:19 AM (gHDMy)

133 115 I saw Rosie Scenario open for Cinderella in 1988. She was high, or maybe I was. I really did see Cinderella open for David Lee Roth (the former Memorial Aud, Buffalo) in 1985, but Cinderella were complete unknowns at the time so we partied in the parking lot instead and missed them. Diamond Dave was great though.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 04, 2014 07:20 AM (7ObY1)

134

This will give the American people more time to chase their dreams, find their passions.

For me, it means more time in diners with biker chicks on my lap.

Suck it, wingnuts. I'm sexy.

Posted by: Joe Biden at February 04, 2014 07:20 AM (xvtYZ)

135 smart cars + stupid drivers = traffic jam Michael: KITT, turn left. KITT: No can do Michael. There's too much traffic. Michael: KITT! Do it! KITT: No!

Posted by: rickb223 at February 04, 2014 07:20 AM (t+DWU)

136 smart cars + stupid drivers + SUNDAY SUNDAY SUNDAY= ~~traffic jam~~ Monster Truck rally

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 04, 2014 07:20 AM (659DL)

137 "[CBO cited] new estimates that the Affordable Care Act will cause a larger than-expected reduction in working hours - eliminating the equivalent of about 2.3 million workers in 2021 versus a previous estimate of an 800,000 decline."

To be fair, nobody could have seen this coming.

Posted by: Ima Bat at February 04, 2014 07:20 AM (QW+AD)

138 Say it with me ... UNEXPECTEDLY! Clearly the fault of Ted Cruuuuuz and his wacko-bird Government Shutdown.

Posted by: Juan McCain at February 04, 2014 07:21 AM (7ObY1)

139 CBI=Wild Guess

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 04, 2014 07:21 AM (6bMeY)

140 Not even that would make me turn on that show. Posted by: TamI ________ You know what they say - keep your friends close and your enemies closer. But yeah, this is pretty nauseating.

Posted by: shredded chi - cereal killer at February 04, 2014 07:21 AM (KmwZx)

141 We have an historic first 29 hour POTUS! Unprecedented!

When a 29 hour work week is kicking your ass, Nancy-boy, it's time to sack up.

Posted by: Fritz at February 04, 2014 07:21 AM (UzPAd)

142

My friends, you have nothing to fear with Barack Obama in the White House

Posted by: John McCain at February 04, 2014 07:21 AM (Pr6hk)

143 No she didn't. It was sitting for years, prolly decades, in some anonymous staffer's locked desk drawer.

Nobody here could pick the real authors out of a lineup, likely as not.

My recollection from the time it was being drafted was that it came out of a lot of staffers' desk drawers and then they tried to edit out the conflicting parts.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 04, 2014 07:22 AM (B/VB5)

144 Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 04, 2014 11:20 AM (659DL) Jinx.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 04, 2014 07:22 AM (PYAXX)

145 From the article...
"...almost entirely because workers will choose to supply less labor..."

Workers will choose. Guess that means there will be more to joining the FSA.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at February 04, 2014 11:19 AM (gHDMy)

LOL, workers Choose to supply less labor!

ahha. fcol, yes they choose less labor while at the same time have their health care cost go UP

so work Less pay more on Less .

just because.

Posted by: willow at February 04, 2014 07:22 AM (nqBYe)

146 But free abortions! And Republicans hate gays and stuff! Ready for Hillary!

Posted by: Liv VanTrusterfund of Battlesboro, Calif. at February 04, 2014 07:22 AM (vgIRn)

147

Obamacare is not the hill to fight on.

Posted by: Mitch McConnell at February 04, 2014 07:22 AM (Pr6hk)

148 I just got a Groupon offering for Motley Crue. "Final tour!" Yeah, well, no.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 04, 2014 07:22 AM (aDwsi)

149 We're going to need legal weed with a 29 hour work week.

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 04, 2014 07:22 AM (6bMeY)

150 To paraphrase Yakov Smirnoff - Â“In America, Suck Embrace You.Â”

Posted by: B at February 04, 2014 07:23 AM (5OEha)

151 That is a really effective commercial--maybe the music is a little too upbeat but other than that--it's damn good.

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at February 04, 2014 07:23 AM (RJMhd)

152 I saw Rosie Scenario open for Pink at the Staples Center in 2008

Posted by: kbdabear at February 04, 2014 07:23 AM (aTXUx)

153 My god, if only people who had studied the field of healthcare and health insurance (perhaps even people either with or working towards degrees) had warned of such a thing! Man, wouldn't that have been.. Meh, never mind.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at February 04, 2014 07:23 AM (GaqMa)

154 I find the idea of cars communicating with each other abhorrent--unless it can prevent a collision. I just have this vision of stalkers using someone's car against them the way they already do their phones and computers. Do we really want gangbangers and cartels to have vehicles that "talk" to other vehicles?

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, think mink. at February 04, 2014 07:24 AM (kXoT0)

155 Why is the CBO being unfair to TFG?

Posted by: RWC at February 04, 2014 07:25 AM (fWAjv)

156 look dummies, you only have to work a short week to pay your bills now. plus obamacare.

say thank you!

Posted by: willow at February 04, 2014 07:25 AM (nqBYe)

157 136 smart cars + stupid drivers = traffic jam Michael: KITT, turn left. KITT: No can do Michael. There's too much traffic. Michael: KITT! Do it! KITT: No! Posted by: rickb223 at February 04, 2014 11:20 AM (t+DWU) This is why they want electric cars. The ability to control when, how much and where you drive.

Posted by: MikeH at February 04, 2014 07:25 AM (ZdA3v)

158 I find the idea of cars communicating with each other abhorrent--unless it can prevent a collision. Even then. Every bit of your liberty you surrender is liberty you won't get back in your lifetime (probably). And it's such a small, small step from "communicating with each other" to "communicating with authorities"- to prevent collisions, you understand...

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 04, 2014 07:25 AM (PYAXX)

159 My god, if only people who had studied the field of healthcare and health insurance (perhaps even people either with or working towards degrees) had warned of such a thing! Those are paid employees of the FOR PROFIT insurance industry. Remember that talking point? Good times.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 04, 2014 07:25 AM (659DL)

160 Nobody here could pick the real authors out of a lineup, likely as not. Posted by: Brother Cavil at February 04, 2014 11:18 AM (naUcP) Balderdash. This bill has Zeke Emmanuel's sweaty arrogant palms all over it.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at February 04, 2014 07:25 AM (GaqMa)

161 IF we had an opposition party, they'd be screaming from the rooftops about this, saying "we told you so," (nicely), and working feverishly to get support for repeal (which means airing a lot of pro-repeal ads in Democrat controlled districts, among other things). Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 04, 2014 10:57 AM (PYAXX) If we had an opposition party that had any guts and determination, they would be using whatever forces are at their disposal to make a smoking ruin of the opposition "Air Force." We are not serious until we attack as viciously as possible that platform from which they are bombing us.

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 04, 2014 07:25 AM (bb5+k)

162 This is why they want electric cars. The ability to control when, how much and where you drive. I would dead seriously consider going Amish. But I can't get past the required beard. I like my beard short.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 04, 2014 07:26 AM (7ObY1)

163 ty media for exploring the costs of obamacare on the average joe.

Posted by: willow at February 04, 2014 07:26 AM (nqBYe)

164

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, think mink. at February 04, 2014 11:24 AM (kXoT0)

By communicate they mean the technology that allows cars to sense when they approach another object, measuring the speed and distance and automatically react .

Posted by: polynikes at February 04, 2014 07:26 AM (m2CN7)

165 This is why they want electric cars. The ability to control when, how much and where you drive.

And you thought GPS was a great idea.

Posted by: The NSA at February 04, 2014 07:26 AM (75jO+)

166 We were assured by experts that the ACA would not cause a dime of deficit, that premiums would come down, and that the finest of healthcare would be provided to all. I found out about these problems at the same time that you did... , when I read it in the paper. I am appalled by this, and I will get to the bottom of. Rest assured.

Posted by: Barky Oblamer at February 04, 2014 07:26 AM (aDwsi)

167 And by "Attack" I don't mean carp and bitch, I mean put them out of business and FIRE all of their liberal employees.

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 04, 2014 07:26 AM (bb5+k)

168 He didn't know from shit what was real about the ACA and what wasn't. He's a puppet. Period. No question Obama simply read the teleprompter filled with words (promises). This is in keeping with his complete political history.

Posted by: Seems legit at February 04, 2014 07:27 AM (A98Xu)

169 116 TSA officer at Bush IAH arrested, accused of making terroristic threat. A TSA officer? Damn.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 04, 2014 07:27 AM (7ObY1)

170 If we had an opposition party that had any guts and determination, they would be using whatever forces are at their disposal

My, but that doesn't sound collegial at all.

Posted by: Mitch McConnell at February 04, 2014 07:27 AM (75jO+)

171 Those are paid employees of the FOR PROFIT insurance industry. Remember that talking point? Good times. Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 04, 2014 11:25 AM (659DL) Pffft. I ain't being paid by no one. If only the insurance companies paid me, maybe I'd be able to repair my driveway. Meanwhile, Kaiser, some BCBS plans and others are still NPOs if memory serves.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at February 04, 2014 07:28 AM (GaqMa)

172 But I can't get past the required beard. I like my beard short. Posted by: Blue ----------------- Which reminds me. I see that Carney gave up on his beard.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 04, 2014 07:28 AM (aDwsi)

173 *Is is just me, or are the leftists losing their damned minds? As they see every single "we won" crash and fail? Select 1 for: The right people aren't in charge. Select 2 for: We'll do it right, ....next time. Select 3 for: teAbAggErZZZZ1111!!! Select 4 for: eLeBinTy!!!!!!11111 There comes a time when full-retard emotionalism crashes up against the unmovable rocks of reality. Emotional breakdowns are rarely coherent.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at February 04, 2014 07:28 AM (V7kwu)

174 And by "Attack" I don't mean carp and bitch, I mean put them out of business and FIRE all of their liberal employees. Requires more money than we have, at the moment. HOWEVER- direct market adds airing in Democrat districts about the cost of [Liberal Policy] to *that demographic* would at least get the ideas out there.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 04, 2014 07:28 AM (PYAXX)

175

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, think mink. at February 04, 2014 11:24 AM (kXoT0)

Do you want someone to hack your phone and then unlock the door to your house? That's what I think when I see those ads on TV. Me, I'll stick with a brass key and a deadbolt.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Innuendoes for Both Men and Women at the Outrage Outlet! at February 04, 2014 07:28 AM (hLRSq)

176 Rosie Palm > Rosie Scenario > Rosie O'Donnell

Posted by: DangerGirl and her Sanity Prod (tm) at February 04, 2014 07:28 AM (LP0Fj)

177 By communicate they mean the technology that allows cars to sense when they approach another object, measuring the speed and distance and automatically react .

Posted by: polynikes at February 04, 2014 11:26 AM (m2CN7)

No, the new proposal where vehicles communicate with the vehicles around them about the vechicle's speed, lane, etc.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, think mink. at February 04, 2014 07:29 AM (kXoT0)

178 Which reminds me. I see that Carney gave up on his beard. But the JEF can't quit Reggie. (rimshot)

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 04, 2014 07:29 AM (7ObY1)

179 Which reminds me. I see that Carney gave up on his beard.

Oh that was a beard? It looked like his last serving of cotton candy got stuck to his face.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 04, 2014 07:29 AM (75jO+)

180 I'm surprised he's just showing us his index finger in the picture...

Posted by: t-bird at February 04, 2014 07:29 AM (FcR7P)

181
CBOÂ’s estimate that the ACA will reduce employment reflects some of the inherent trade-offs involved in designing such legislation.

Subsidies that help lower income people purchase an expensive product like health insurance must be relatively large to encourage a significant proportion of eligible people to enroll. If those subsidies are phased out with rising income in order to limit their total costs, the phaseout effectively raises peopleÂ’s marginal tax rates (the tax rates applying to their last dollar of income), thus discouraging work.

In addition, if the subsidies are financed at least in part by higher taxes, those taxes will further discourage work or create other economic distortions, depending on how the taxes are designed.

Alternatively, if subsidies are not phased out or eliminated with rising income, then the increase in taxes required to finance the subsidies would be much larger.

No duh.
Posted by: Adam Smith 240 Freaking Years Ago.

Full report: http://tinyurl.com/n6gwemr

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 04, 2014 07:29 AM (kdS6q)

182 Rosie McGowan>Rosie Palm > Rosie Scenario > Rosie O'Donnell>Whole Lotta Rosie

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 04, 2014 07:30 AM (7ObY1)

183 Meanwhile, Kaiser, some BCBS plans and others are still NPOs if memory serves. Yeah, you mention Kaiser and the idiots trip over it like like it was coffee table.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 04, 2014 07:30 AM (659DL)

184 The blowback is going to be huge. Moderates/independents who will vote in 2014 are going to vote overwhelmingly Republican.

I'm thinking 55 seats or bust.

Posted by: David at February 04, 2014 10:47 AM (UtRhK)

No. First of all, the GOP doesn't want to get rid of Obamacare. They just want the power to distribute goodies from its slush fund.

Secondly, the MFM and the Dems (BIRM) will make certain 2014 is about the War on Women, free birth control, higher minimum wage and intransigent Republicans.

Thirdly, the GOP will piss of the base by ramming through amnesty.

We'll be lucky to hold on to the seats we have.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at February 04, 2014 07:30 AM (zF6Iw)

185 Yes, and we still reelected TFG Posted by: Velvet Ambition at February 04, 2014 11:03 AM (R8hU

"WE" did not. Most likely he was carried by a chunk of the population that shouldn't even be allowed to vote. Those who receive unearned Federal benefits, and those who work in or administrate aspects of the Federal bureaucracy.

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 04, 2014 07:30 AM (bb5+k)

186 174 You forgot #5 - We haven't 'invested' enough money.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 04, 2014 07:30 AM (aDwsi)

187 Any friggen dumbass knew that a bill this large, voted on unread was a complete disaster for individuals and the country. The dems knew it was going to crash and burn that was the idea.

Posted by: Seems legit at February 04, 2014 07:30 AM (A98Xu)

188 No no it's too suicidal to talk about repeal period. Because you see Obama will never repeal it so why even make it an issue. Best just to go along to get along. Convincing people that you actually have a spine and principles and are will at least make the effort to fight it is just awful.

----

Anyway, just sit down, shut up, and trust us. THIS time we'll replace, er, repeal the damn law.

But we gotta make sure Christie wins in 2016 first.

Posted by: Chi-Townjweststrawpoint at February 04, 2014 07:30 AM (YmPwQ)

189 I would dead seriously consider going Amish. But I can't get past the required beard. I like my beard short. Extensions?

Posted by: rickb223 at February 04, 2014 07:30 AM (t+DWU)

190 Which reminds me. I see that Carney gave up on his beard. Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 04, 2014 11:28 AM (aDwsi) Wonder when Barry is going to give up his beard.

Posted by: MikeH at February 04, 2014 07:31 AM (ZdA3v)

191 There comes a time when full-retard emotionalism crashes up against the unmovable rocks of reality. Emotional breakdowns are rarely coherent.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at February 04, 2014 11:28 AM (V7kwu)

I think it will make DKos circa January 2005 look sane and sober.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Innuendoes for Both Men and Women at the Outrage Outlet! at February 04, 2014 07:31 AM (hLRSq)

192 Do you want someone to hack your phone and then unlock the door to your house? That's what I think when I see those ads on TV. Me, I'll stick with a brass key and a deadbolt.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Innuendoes for Both Men and Women at the Outrage Outlet! at February 04, 2014 11:28 AM (hLRSq)

No, I do not. I told the manufacturer of my car that very thing in a survey. I already have a keypad entry left over from when my husband was ill and dieing. If I want to let someone in the house when I am not there, I can tell them how to get into it.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, think mink. at February 04, 2014 07:31 AM (kXoT0)

193 183 Cracklin' Rosie

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 04, 2014 07:31 AM (aDwsi)

194 Only way to fix this, is to sing the "America, The Beautiful" in spanish and other South American languages.

Posted by: Coca Cola at February 04, 2014 07:31 AM (Cs9Ps)

195 I for one welcome the death of the health insurance industry.

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 04, 2014 07:31 AM (6bMeY)

196

No. First of all, the GOP doesn't want to get rid of Obamacare. They just want the power to distribute goodies from its slush fund.

Except that the alternative proposal presented by the GOP calls for the repeal of ACA. I guess that's considered just a head fake.

Posted by: polynikes at February 04, 2014 07:31 AM (m2CN7)

197 190 I would dead seriously consider going Amish. But I can't get past the required beard. I like my beard short. Extensions? Posted by: rickb223 at February 04, 2014 11:30 AM (t+DWU) Ask Weird Al, I'm guessing he used them for "Amish Paradise"

Posted by: MikeH at February 04, 2014 07:32 AM (ZdA3v)

198 In my Facebook inbox, just passing along... Gander MountainÂ’s 6th Annual Firearms Sale starts today! We have hundreds of new products for 2014 from all of your favorite brands. Check out the ad here: http://bit.ly/1c1YnF0

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 04, 2014 07:32 AM (7ObY1)

199 Fuckin' Romney!!!

Posted by: Barky "computer whiz" O'Genius at February 04, 2014 07:32 AM (09o/X)

200 Medicaid is no longer just for the indigent. People with means are being forced onto it due to 404Care signups.
=======
Let me explain just how evil that it: It is out-and-out theft.

Because, now the only insurance they can get is Medicaid. And to be eligible for Medicaid, an individual can't have more than $2k in the bank ($5k for couples).
If they do, they have to pay more for the Medicaid.

Not content with stealing their savings via hidden inflation using interest-free loans to the banks, they are now forcing them to spend it.

Posted by: RoyalOil at February 04, 2014 07:32 AM (VjL9S)

201 Yeah, you mention Kaiser and the idiots trip over it like like it was coffee table. Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 04, 2014 11:30 AM (659DL) I know people who WORKED for Kaiser and still tripped over it when asked to explain their stupidity. :le sigh:

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at February 04, 2014 07:33 AM (GaqMa)

202 97 Californians turn to rain dances for drought relief.

http://tinyurl.com/l8z29lt

Bwaaaa-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha.....

*cough* *choke*

Bwaaaa-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha......

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at February 04, 2014 11:08 AM (V7kwu)

Because only superstitious idiots who believe in a being that isn't there would do something primitive like PRAY for rain

That's why Zen Buddism is such a big thing in CA. You can be "spiritual" and believe in some deity but there aren't all those silly rules and stuff

Posted by: kbdabear at February 04, 2014 07:33 AM (aTXUx)

203 This should be good for a few more dams.

Posted by: Mitch McConnell at February 04, 2014 07:33 AM (Z9BWx)

204 Extensions? Hey, I think you're on to something there. I'd better brush up on my buggy-repair skills and learn how to make those snazzy fireplace mantels.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 04, 2014 07:33 AM (7ObY1)

205 Funemployment!

Posted by: Lauren at February 04, 2014 07:33 AM (hFL/3)

206 Meanwhile, Kaiser, some BCBS plans and others are still NPOs if memory serves. Can't speak to Kaiser or "others," but part of licensing the BCBS name requires that the plan be a not-for-profit organization (which is different from 'non-profit'). I remember we got some *nice* bonus checks from BCBSTX every year because we'd made too much money- so the board banked as much as they could (there were statutory limits, IIRC), and then gave the rest as bonuses to the employees. And before anyone says, "They should have returned that to the members!" 1- It wasn't direct members who were making us the profits- it was our group plans. 2- Part of that "banked as much as they could" was designed to keep rates as low as feasible. 3- How would you like to work for a place that kept costs low enough that they had massive profits- and then instead of giving a bunch of it to the employees, turned around and refunded their customers?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 04, 2014 07:33 AM (PYAXX)

207 404Care, the anchor that keeps on sinking the economy and SS Egotistical President.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 04, 2014 07:33 AM (NNjb2)

208 There's way too many Mike's on this thread. Two of you have to leave. j/k

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at February 04, 2014 07:34 AM (bCEmE)

209 What's the difference between hacking into a lock and picking a lock? When have we become such Luddites?

Posted by: polynikes at February 04, 2014 07:34 AM (m2CN7)

210 Just remember, their vote counts as much as yours. Geeze....the nation's debt has gone seriously down....the budget deficit is all but closed, the economy has been gaining jobs for over 48 straight months, poor Americans with no health insurance can now easily obtain it, doctors and insurance companies can no longer turn people away for pre-existing conditions.....but ya know.....the country is headed in the wrong direction! Stupid pessimistic American idiots. Get your heads out of your rear ends. It's your own negativity and depression and anxiety that you are projecting upon the world that is the problem.

Posted by: RWC at February 04, 2014 07:34 AM (fWAjv)

211 pete seeger memories pod cast from NPR ! great ! it's free with thistle tunes!

meanwhile iTunes update is 109+ megabytes. It's gotta be good.

We need some songs written.
"If I had health insurance"
"If I had a job"
"I remember the night I lost my health insurance"
"

Posted by: Mac D. Modul at February 04, 2014 07:34 AM (AIuEp)

212 Guess I'll have to wait till after tomorrow's snowmageddon before I can hit Gander Mtn. for the gun sale.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 04, 2014 07:34 AM (7ObY1)

213 This bill has Zeke Emmanuel's sweaty arrogant palms all over it. He really counts more as "spiritual leader" (in much the same way that any given radical imam does), but the point is taken...

Posted by: Brother Cavil at February 04, 2014 07:34 AM (naUcP)

214 209 There's way too many Mike's on this thread. Two of you have to leave. j/k Posted by: Tami at February 04, 2014 11:34 AM (bCEmE) Ok, I'm taking my links to Kate Upton and leaving, so there

Posted by: MikeH at February 04, 2014 07:34 AM (ZdA3v)

215 187 174 You forgot #5 - We haven't 'invested' enough money. Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 04, 2014 11:30 AM (aDwsi) Yep. KILL the rIcH!!!!!11

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at February 04, 2014 07:35 AM (V7kwu)

216 My daughter just graduated from high school. I feel so bad for her right now.

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I hear ya. My son will graduate high school next year. A male. A white male. In a country that's bleeding jobs. Competing against illegals for some work experience. The future is really bleak for young Americans. That is, unless the ship turns around PDQ, and we all know the chances of that.

Posted by: Lady in Black at February 04, 2014 07:35 AM (Oa7B2)

217 I thought it was only lying racist liars who racistly lie who claim that hours will be cut in response to Obamacare.

Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at February 04, 2014 07:35 AM (VtjlW)

218
Quotin':

Effects of the Employer Penalty on Labor Supply

In CBOÂ’s judgment, the costs of the penalty eventually will be borne primarily by workers in the form of reductions in wages or other compensationÂ—just as the costs of a payroll tax levied on employers will generally be passed along to employees.

Because the supply of labor is responsive to changes in compensation, the employer penalty will ultimately induce some workers to supply less labor.

Glad someone kept their notes from Econ 101.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 04, 2014 07:35 AM (kdS6q)

219 Don't you know that "Diversity is Our Strength"?

Because the immigrants enrich us with their culture of cockfights and dumping garbage into rivers

Posted by: kbdabear at February 04, 2014 07:36 AM (aTXUx)

220

CBO Nearly Triples Estimate of Work Hours Lost Due to Obamacare

I am shocked. Here is my shocked face.

-_-

See how shocked I am? So very, very shocked.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/i][/u][/b] at February 04, 2014 07:36 AM (4df7R)

221 Because only superstitious idiots who believe in a being that isn't there would do something primitive like PRAY for rain

Scoffer. I performed a Hopi ceremonial dance asking the Great Spirit in Sky for Democrat ballots and they fell from the sky like snowflakes.

Posted by: Elizabeth "Three Wolf Moon" Warren at February 04, 2014 07:36 AM (75jO+)

222 Except that the alternative proposal presented by the GOP calls for the repeal of ACA. I guess that's considered just a head fake. Back in 2010, these jokers made a 'pledge' to cut the budget by $100 billion. It increases by $10 billion. They can say whatever they want, and orchestrate whatever meaningless votes they want. If they want to 'work with' Obama on Immigration, they obviously don't see this as a big problem.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at February 04, 2014 07:36 AM (Z9BWx)

223 But I can't get past the required beard. I like my beard short.
Posted by: BlueStateRebel

Yeah, it helps. Seeing over mine when she wears heels is a bitch

Posted by: Barky at February 04, 2014 07:36 AM (rr895)

224 This is actually great news! Unemployment benefits are the engine of our economy!

Posted by: Nancy "Skeletor" Pelosi at February 04, 2014 07:36 AM (2zsKz)

225 Meanwhile, Kaiser, some BCBS plans and others are still NPOs if memory serves.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at February 04, 2014 11:28 AM (GaqMa)

BCBS of Illinois, New Mexico, Montana, Oklahoma, and Texas are Not For Profit Member Owned health insurance companies. It is important to remember that the Blue Cross Blue Shield name on a corporation means that it is a member of the BCBS Association and as such has agreed to those principles and operating practices--conceptually, it's like a franchise. It also facilitates getting care from another Blue when traveling, etc.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, think mink. at February 04, 2014 07:36 AM (kXoT0)

226 155 I find the idea of cars communicating with each other abhorrent--unless it can prevent a collision. I just have this vision of stalkers using someone's car against them the way they already do their phones and computers. Do we really want gangbangers and cartels to have vehicles that "talk" to other vehicles? Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, think mink. at February 04, 2014 11:24 AM (kXoT0) I bet I could hack the system to force your car into a braking stop by spoofing it with false information that another vehicle is about to collide with you. And guess what would happen next if someone was criminally minded?

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 04, 2014 07:36 AM (bb5+k)

227

MK Hammer is Co-hosting the View

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Did someone say "hammer?"

Posted by: Joe Casino at February 04, 2014 07:36 AM (PFy0L)

228 Because the immigrants enrich us with their culture of cockfights and dumping garbage into rivers

Also, tuberculosis makes you stronger.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 04, 2014 07:37 AM (75jO+)

229 Most service sector jobs can't cut pay because of minimum wage laws.

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 04, 2014 07:37 AM (6bMeY)

230 It's "rosy", not "rosie".

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at February 04, 2014 07:37 AM (V70Uh)

231 Moochelle told the kiddies that puppies stay healthy by drinking lots of water, so they should too

If you see your kid drinking out of the toilet, you'll know whom to blame

Posted by: kbdabear at February 04, 2014 07:37 AM (aTXUx)

232 I guess the CBO went and got all wee-weed up.

Posted by: Jay in PA at February 04, 2014 07:38 AM (3LaGb)

233 More "Their votes count the same as yours does": "Triple number of hours to spend with the family and raise the kids. Triple number of hours to sit in Starbucks sipping at a drink. Triple number of hours to see the US as a tourist instead of being stuck at work making the COE's of insurance companies richer and richer. What an awful thought!" Yeah, what a thought. Sponging off society. Leeching off the productive. What a thought. Oh, and "COE's?"

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 04, 2014 07:38 AM (7ObY1)

234 Most service sector jobs can't cut pay because of minimum wage laws. True. But they can cut hours/benefits etc. And they will.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 04, 2014 07:38 AM (PYAXX)

235 My, but that doesn't sound collegial at all. Posted by: Mitch McConnell at February 04, 2014 11:27 AM (75jO+) It's better than bloodshed, because that's what I see ahead on our present course.

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 04, 2014 07:38 AM (bb5+k)

236 Seeing the casual hate--HATE--the leftist feel free to spout forth because a few people--rightly--noticed the Coke ad was stupid is something to behold.* Look, it's not the the multilingual part that is stupid. Posted by: RoyalOil at February 04, 2014 11:14 AM (VjL9S) Coke can take a lesson from Budweiser. 2009 Super Bowl commercial http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukpnHh4eEeQ

Posted by: Jen at February 04, 2014 07:38 AM (4t/Y9)

237 There are lies, damn lies and CBO estimates. - Disraeli

Posted by: rockhead at February 04, 2014 07:38 AM (jtTKf)

238 If you see your kid drinking out of the toilet, you'll know whom to blame Posted by: kbdabear at February 04, 2014 11:37 AM (aTXUx) Fox News?

Posted by: MikeH at February 04, 2014 07:39 AM (ZdA3v)

239 Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 04, 2014 11:33 AM (PYAXX) My point still stands. The idea of "greedy insurance companies" is at best an overgeneralization (and at worst an outright lie.) (And arguably "keeping rates low" is a form of proactively returning money to the customers. Maybe there'd be a way to handle bonuses and cutting rates as well, but we're down to differences in PR options at that point.)

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at February 04, 2014 07:39 AM (GaqMa)

240 The Rosie that we have all come to know and love

http://tinyurl.com/nef9qxl

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 04, 2014 07:39 AM (DHj6D)

241
Barry: What's the big deal. Just raise the minimum wage. And..uhhh..it's Fox News/Rush Limbaugh/the Tea Party/racism's fault any way

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 04, 2014 07:39 AM (1Jaio)

242

Posted by: polynikes at February 04, 2014 11:31 AM (m2CN7)

The lack of trust in the Republican leadership is being vented right now and the default assumption is that the GOP is plotting with the Democrats to do whatever nefarious thing the Democrats want to do - sort of a Republican Igor to the Democrats Dr. Frankenstein. Whether that is true or not has nothing to do with venting the frustrations that go on here everyday in nearly every thread.

This is an observation of mine, not a moral judgment. People here at the HQ are angry and frustrated so they vent. Got to let it run its course.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Innuendoes for Both Men and Women at the Outrage Outlet! at February 04, 2014 07:39 AM (hLRSq)

243 I saw Rosy Not Rosie open for Was Not Was, Cobo Hall, Detroit, 1999

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 04, 2014 07:39 AM (7ObY1)

244

Moochelle told the kiddies that puppies stay healthy by drinking lots of water, so they should too

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Dogs are also carnivorous and would look at Mooch's preferred diet with a nose up.

Huh.

Posted by: @JohnTant at February 04, 2014 07:39 AM (PFy0L)

245 IÂ’m sick, I have infection & antibiotics for it made me sick to my stomach. Does anyone know the difference between Medicaid and the state run versions of them? As far as I am concerned they are all the same. I am asking because my brother is indigent in ME & now a quadriplegic from infections. In August he said that they can transfer him back home to MA and I canÂ’t get him here. He is going to die up there alone. HeÂ’s 52 and heÂ’s been in hospital or rehab since March 30. He has ME Care, and I do not see what the difference is between ME Care & Mass Health. It would be better for him if he were here. HeÂ’s always asking me to buy him things, he Â’s got two adult kids. Then he doesnÂ’t like them, so IÂ’m out the shipping & heÂ’s dumb to open four packages of underwear instead of just one, etc. If he was here in MA I could bring him things & return them. Plus heÂ’d have a visitor other than my cousin.

Posted by: Carol at February 04, 2014 07:40 AM (z4WKX)

246 Geeze....the nation's debt has gone seriously down....the budget deficit is all but closed, the economy has been gaining jobs for over 48 straight months, poor Americans with no health insurance can now easily obtain it, doctors and insurance companies can no longer turn people away for pre-existing conditions.....but ya know.....the country is headed in the wrong direction! Stupid pessimistic American idiots. Get your heads out of your rear ends. It's your own negativity and depression and anxiety that you are projecting upon the world that is the problem.

All of that and lots of heroin ... explain the Left. Future obligation, Nah? Devalued currency, Cool! Run up a record deficit, then golf clap as it comes down a bit, Whee!!!

Posted by: Jean at February 04, 2014 07:40 AM (4JkHl)

247 Kills me how some people differentiate between cronyism and corruption.

Difference without a distinction.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at February 04, 2014 07:40 AM (BZAd3)

248 i forgot to add her oncologist is quitting ,
so keep doctor= no
cheaper or free health care= no
net plus to jobs= no
free bc for sandra= ?

Posted by: willow at February 04, 2014 07:40 AM (nqBYe)

249 DARPA has already hacked car's computer systems.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 04, 2014 07:40 AM (NNjb2)

250 I'm thinking 55 seats or bust.

Posted by: David at February 04, 2014 10:47 AM (UtRhK)

You underestimate the cupidity of the GOP Establishment. Even now, their masters at the US Chamber of Commerce are demanding that they yank the reins on those damnable Tea Party extremists and get moving with a quickness on immigration reform. Thanks to them, we won't do as well as we could.

True story: my late Stepfather was a Humphrey delegate at the 1968 Chicago Democratic Party convention. Each of the states had an area cordoned off for delegate use, a place where people could grab some coffee or smoke a cigarette or hang out, so all of the Indiana delegates were more or less taking a break when some big Indiana furniture magnate shows up, looking for Indiana Senator Birch Bayh (father of later Governor then Senator Evan Bayh).

The furniture tycoon was a big donor to Democratic candidates and incumbents in Indiana, and he was furious, demanding to see Senator Bayh for one reason or another. His exact words were (according to my Stepfather), "I bought him, I paid for him, and damnit I want to see him right now. Get him here."

That's when my Stepfather saw Birch Bayh, a United States Senator, run into the delegate's break area--not walk, not walk briskly, but run--nearly at a sprint--to curry to the needs--whatever they were--of a major political donor.

My Stepfather switched parties later in life and became a Republican. In hindsight, I should've told him not to bother.

Posted by: troyriser at February 04, 2014 07:41 AM (V9ol4)

251 All of that and lots of heroin ... explain the Left. The Left is a mass of interests held together by the common cause of feeding their appetites. That's all you need to know about them. The Seven Deadly Sins, given human form.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at February 04, 2014 07:42 AM (naUcP)

252 Requires more money than we have, at the moment. HOWEVER- direct market adds airing in Democrat districts about the cost of [Liberal Policy] to *that demographic* would at least get the ideas out there. Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 04, 2014 11:28 AM (PYAXX) It requires more money than *WE* have. It's not more money than what the members of our coalition could swing, but those with such money are not interested in doing so, and therein lies part of the problem. They find the status quo tolerable.

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 04, 2014 07:42 AM (bb5+k)

253 True. But they can cut hours/benefits etc. And they will. Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 04, 2014 11:38 AM (PYAXX) Indeed, I still want explained to me if congress is stupid enough raise the minimum wage to $10.10/hour how they plan on enforcing that. I know lots of jobs that pay less than that as a function of *wage* but provide nice benefits (401K matching, good health insurance, tuition, etc.). Would such a law take those into account? Because if not, I can expect those benefits will start to go away. (And we can argue whether such things should be a form of compensation some other time, fact is they are, and I'd rather not see them taken away.*) *Yes some lab jobs pay $10/hr or less around here, we're a low cost of living area, and as I said before benefits (and often overtime.)

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at February 04, 2014 07:42 AM (GaqMa)

254 I've had cats and dogs who liked "toilet water." Used to be the name of a perfume popular in the fifties.

Posted by: backhoe at February 04, 2014 07:42 AM (ULH4o)

255 Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at February 04, 2014 11:39 AM (GaqMa) Well, yes, I was agreeing with you. Actually, "Not-for-profit" is far more strict than "non-profit." NFP means you're only allowed so much "profit" (defined, I think, simply as revenue above expenses- but there could be some curlicues of which I'm unaware) in a year. That is- you can only bank so much. If you bank more than that, you lose your NFP status- which would get your license for BCBS yanked. So Companies that license the BCBS name play a lot of accounting games, but there's only so much they can do- which means they're already keeping rates as low as they reasonably can.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 04, 2014 07:43 AM (PYAXX)

256 250 DARPA has already hacked car's computer systems. Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 04, 2014 11:40 AM (NNjb2) 4G + ODB II + GPS = we know you went to the 7-11 and bought Little Debbie Snack Cakes. Love the NSA

Posted by: MikeH at February 04, 2014 07:43 AM (ZdA3v)

257 DARPA has already hacked car's computer systems.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 04, 2014 11:40 AM (NNjb2)

I think some researchers have been able to spoof GPS signals being sent to a boat and sent it off course. Could be useful if the ship is in a narrow channel and a small unnoticed deviation sent it onto a reef.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Innuendoes for Both Men and Women at the Outrage Outlet! at February 04, 2014 07:43 AM (hLRSq)

258 Most service sector jobs can't cut pay because of minimum wage laws. True. But they can cut hours/benefits etc. And they will. You been heyah fo owa. You go now!

Posted by: rickb223 at February 04, 2014 07:43 AM (t+DWU)

259 "..the nation's debt has gone seriously down."

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Wouldn't it be funny to ask the moron who said that which year, exactly, this occurred?

Posted by: Jay in PA at February 04, 2014 07:44 AM (3LaGb)

260 Californians turn to rain dances for drought relief. http://tinyurl.com/l8z29lt Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at February 04, 2014 11:08 AM (V7kwu) Actually the rain dances the injuns did many years ago always worked. But sometimes it took years, many, many years. So don't give up, keep on dancing!

Posted by: ExSnipe at February 04, 2014 07:44 AM (LKJt3)

261 Except that the alternative proposal presented by the GOP calls for the repeal of ACA. I guess that's considered just a head fake.

Posted by: polynikes at February 04, 2014 11:31 AM (m2CN7)

Your child-like faith in the GOP is touching.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at February 04, 2014 07:44 AM (zF6Iw)

262

2021?

That's a long way from here and now. My assumption is that by 2021 we'll be essentially living in Mad Max's world anyway, so this "jobs" thing will hardly be a concern.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 04, 2014 07:44 AM (TOk1P)

263 Posted by: Mikey NTH - Innuendoes for Both Men and Women at the Outrage Outlet! at February 04, 2014 11:39 AM (hLRSq) The opposition party was targeting the GOP's constituents with state agencies. The GOP has appointed no special prosecutor, or done much of anything except express 'grave' concerns. In fact, the GOP is trying to make rapport with Obama on Immigration. They don't care about their constituents being targeted by the opposition party, or their constituents' misgivings over pursuing immigration. Every political pundit is scratching their head over the loony decision to pursue immigration reform right now. They are not behaving as an opposition party. Therefore, they aren't one.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at February 04, 2014 07:44 AM (49lPc)

264 Not content with stealing their savings via hidden inflation using interest-free loans to the banks, they are now forcing them to spend it. Posted by: RoyalOil at February 04, 2014 11:32 AM (VjL9S) THEFT is the very nature of the people with whom we contest.

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 04, 2014 07:45 AM (bb5+k)

265 First, let me say I remember the ads for Rep Andrews when he first ran.

He looks a lot older now, after 24 years.

At his presser, he had a noticeable "tick" that reminded me of Michael J Fox (i.e. Parkinson's disease).

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at February 04, 2014 07:45 AM (e8kgV)

266 Does anyone know the difference between Medicaid and the state run versions of them? As far as I am concerned they are all the same. There is no "Federal" Medicaid. Medicaid is a "Federal/State joint program" which basically means the States handle* it and fund part (half-ish?) of it, and the Federal Government picks up the rest. *-That is, the State finds an administrator, and sets a few rules- most of the coverage is currently mandated from the Feds.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 04, 2014 07:46 AM (PYAXX)

267 all those 20 year olds living back at home= booming economy.

Posted by: willow at February 04, 2014 07:46 AM (nqBYe)

268 Blue State - I seem to recal that one of the Was Not Was guys claim that his religion is 'Waslim'. He opined that Waslim is what Islam used to be.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 04, 2014 07:46 AM (aDwsi)

269 I am shocked. Here is my shocked face. -_- See how shocked I am? So very, very shocked. Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 04, 2014 11:36 AM (4df7R) I am shocked that they admitted it.

Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at February 04, 2014 07:46 AM (VtjlW)

270

all those 20 year olds living back at home= booming economy.

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Yes it is - because they can use their unemployment checks and buy things off of Amazon.

Trust us. We know what we're doing.

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at February 04, 2014 07:47 AM (PFy0L)

271 According to Drudge, Paul Ryan and Chuck Schumer are having "secret" immigration negotiations.

I find this to be bullshit. Ryan would never do such a thing!

Posted by: Chi-Townjweststrawpoint at February 04, 2014 07:47 AM (YmPwQ)

272 See how shocked I am? So very, very shocked.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 04, 2014 11:36 AM (4df7R)

I am shocked that they admitted it.

Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at February 04, 2014 11:46 AM (VtjlW)

so .

why are they?

what's next?

Posted by: willow at February 04, 2014 07:47 AM (nqBYe)

273

"The GOP has appointed no special prosecutor, or done much of anything except express 'grave' concerns."

IIRC there is no special prosecutor legislation. That was allowed to lapse.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Innuendoes for Both Men and Women at the Outrage Outlet! at February 04, 2014 07:47 AM (hLRSq)

274 *-That is, the State finds an administrator, and sets a few rules- most of the coverage is currently mandated from the Feds. Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 04, 2014 11:46 AM (PYAXX) Allen G, then they are really just the same?

Posted by: Carol at February 04, 2014 07:48 AM (z4WKX)

275 so . why are they?what's next? Posted by: willow at February 04, 2014 11:47 AM (nqBYe) That depends. Either "Hide the decline." or "Single payer." honestly I can't figure out what their game plan is.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at February 04, 2014 07:48 AM (GaqMa)

276 so . why are they?what's next? Posted by: willow at February 04, 2014 11:47 AM (nqBYe) The CBO is a specifically political entity- they exist and operate at the Majority's whim/discretion (sort of). I suspect it means they can tell a hawk from a handsaw when the wind blows southerly, and they want to get in the GOP's good graces.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 04, 2014 07:49 AM (PYAXX)

277 The lack of trust in the Republican leadership is being vented right now and the default assumption is that the GOP is plotting with the Democrats to do whatever nefarious thing the Democrats want to do - sort of a Republican Igor to the Democrats Dr. Frankenstein. Whether that is true or not has nothing to do with venting the frustrations that go on here everyday in nearly every thread. This is an observation of mine, not a moral judgment. People here at the HQ are angry and frustrated so they vent. Got to let it run its course. Posted by: Mikey NTH - Innuendoes for Both Men and Women at the Outrage Outlet! at February 04, 2014 11:39 AM (hLRSq) A better example is that the Republican Party behaves like the Washington Generals against the Harlem Globetrotters. Token resistance.

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 04, 2014 07:50 AM (bb5+k)

278 Economic recovery? That's "offensive to a lot of people who are struggling," says Heidi Moore

So are we seeing a true economic recovery? Heidi Moore, U.S. finance and economics editor at The Guardian, tells us in the accompanying video that "what we've had is a recovery that's been really rocky... it's been incredibly slow and not beneficial to huge swaths of the American population."

No shit

So what are the solutions? President Obama in his State of the Union address talked about asking CEOs to hire the long term unemployed.

Wow, what a magic solution! Why didn't anyone think of that before? Thanks Prezzy

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 04, 2014 07:50 AM (1Jaio)

279

243 -

And the evidence that the Republican party stands for, and intends to act upon conservative principles is.... what now?

You can condescend and call it venting. I call it being realistic.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 04, 2014 07:50 AM (TOk1P)

280 Either "Hide the decline." or "Single payer."

honestly I can't figure out what their game plan is.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at February 04, 2014 11:48 AM (GaqMa)

me either, But they can't really let go of Obama's (their) primary hope and change legislation ,can they?

Posted by: willow at February 04, 2014 07:50 AM (nqBYe)

281 Allen G, then they are really just the same? Posted by: Carol at February 04, 2014 11:48 AM (z4WKX) Functionally yes. A few states have tried to create a "super-Medicaid" of sorts that would lead towards universal coverage. But from what I know, every one of those has more or less crashed and burned. Actually the current trend is to hire companies to shuffle people off Medicaid onto SSDI (which is a pure federal program, not joint/state fed) which helps states control their budget (since lots of states require balanced budgets.)

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at February 04, 2014 07:50 AM (GaqMa)

282 Posted by: Carol at February 04, 2014 11:48 AM (z4WKX) The differences should be very minor, but there will be some. Medicaid in NM will not be 100% exactly like Medicaid in TX- but they are (because of Federal Mandates) very, very similar. And, again, there is no such thing as "Federal Medicaid." Only the States.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 04, 2014 07:50 AM (PYAXX)

283 Indeed, I still want explained to me if congress is stupid enough raise the minimum wage to $10.10/hour how they plan on enforcing that. ********* Swear to gaia Obama said in the SOTU-- "It's $10.10 cuz ten-ten is easy to remember!!"

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at February 04, 2014 07:50 AM (RJMhd)

284

I was depressed for 2 weeks after Zero won reelection. I volunteered for and worked for Romney. Had the Romney/Ryan sign on my front lawn.

Just who in the fuck is this guy?? Holding hands with a FUCKING COMMUNIST to do "immigration reform". Now holding secret talks with UPCHUCK FUCKING CHUCKY SCHUMER? Does anyone else here not feel seriously betrayed? ARE THERE ANY REAL REPUBLICANS LEFT?????????

Did we ever, ever dodge a bullet by losing this past election. In my mind, I guess we just thank God for unanswered prayers. It is time for a revolution, starting the the mother fucking GOP.

Posted by: prescient11 at February 04, 2014 07:50 AM (tVTLU)

285 Hmm, a far-left radical surrounds himself with other far-left radicals to institute far-left radical laws to destroy the country. Color me surprised.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at February 04, 2014 07:50 AM (0HooB)

286 IIRC there is no special prosecutor legislation. That was allowed to lapse. Several GOP Senators and Congressmen called for one over Benghazi and the IRS scandal. It sounds like it is possible in some fashion.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at February 04, 2014 07:51 AM (49lPc)

287 so. why are they? what's next?

Isn't that akin to asking 'what could possibly go wrong?' Or zombies are chasing you and you turn left to find a dead end?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 04, 2014 07:52 AM (NNjb2)

288 Sigh.

This does not matter.

From what I can tell, the majority of the U.S. gets their news from the MSM, and if the MSM does not report something, it has not happened.

You see, state control of the media works. Obamacare is a success, and Bengazi was nothing but a distraction.

Posted by: shibumi at February 04, 2014 07:52 AM (25HWz)

289

One more question:

Just why in the fuck is immigration reform even on the fucking table??????? It's as if the GOP is playing Russian roulette and there's no one else in the fucking room.

Posted by: prescient11 at February 04, 2014 07:52 AM (tVTLU)

290 Color me surprised. I would, but the Vice President seems to have eaten that crayon.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at February 04, 2014 07:52 AM (naUcP)

291 I posted in the early morning thread that I had a surgery signed by Boehner. I filled it out & added three pages of notes. One was to appoint special investigator for Benghazi & itÂ’s Congress job to reign in a POTUS that has crossed the line in not following laws,etc. I added at the end if they do those things, IÂ’ll consider making donation. I usually throw them away but this had postage.

Posted by: Carol at February 04, 2014 07:52 AM (z4WKX)

292

272 -

"Chi-Townjweststrawpoint"

Now THAT'S funny!

Posted by: BurtTC at February 04, 2014 07:52 AM (TOk1P)

293 Swear to gaia Obama said in the SOTU-- "It's $10.10 cuz ten-ten is easy to remember!!" Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at February 04, 2014 11:50 AM (RJMhd) more or less. Listening to enemy communications (i.e. NPR) I have gathered that in part, they're playing this almost like an ad campaign. Since 10.10 is easy to remember people will be more open to it. I guess it's a page out of the Herman Cain handbook.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at February 04, 2014 07:52 AM (GaqMa)

294 250 DARPA has already hacked car's computer systems. Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 04, 2014 11:40 AM (NNjb2) Not talking about hacking the car's computer system, talking about spoofing it with fake RF signals (Which claim to be another car) to trick it into thinking a collision is imminent.

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 04, 2014 07:52 AM (bb5+k)

295 honestly I can't figure out what their game plan is. Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at February 04, 2014 11:48 AM (GaqMa) Calvinball.

Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at February 04, 2014 07:53 AM (VtjlW)

296 Isn't that akin to asking 'what could possibly go wrong?' Or zombies are chasing you and you turn left to find a dead end?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 04, 2014 11:52 AM (NNjb2)

ack, i hope at the least i have tennies on during the chase.

Posted by: willow at February 04, 2014 07:53 AM (nqBYe)

297 It's as if the GOP is playing Russian roulette and there's no one else in the fucking room. Like we said in sadness last week...when someone's hell-bent on committing suicide, they find a way.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at February 04, 2014 07:53 AM (naUcP)

298 I posted in the early morning thread that I had a surgery signed by Boehner. Posted by: Carol at February 04, 2014 11:52 AM (z4WKX) Geebuz the IPAB got power fast....

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at February 04, 2014 07:54 AM (GaqMa)

299 31 I hate Oblabocare. I hate winter. I hate being cold. I hate the higher cost of electricity. I hate the price of gas, milk, and every other damned thing I need for my family's well being. I hate this stupid economy. But more than anything, I hate Barky and his malignant Marxist minions. thread winner

Posted by: Cicero Kid at February 04, 2014 07:54 AM (Bps3R)

300 honestly I can't figure out what their game plan is. Do I look like someone who has a plan?

Posted by: Jokerbama at February 04, 2014 07:54 AM (naUcP)

301 Calvinball. Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at February 04, 2014 11:53 AM (VtjlW) Their game plan is the same one my brother (jokingly) states as his when we play a new game: "Okay, important first rule: I get to win."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 04, 2014 07:54 AM (PYAXX)

302 Heh, Barrel protection somehow, SUCK IT PIXY.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at February 04, 2014 07:54 AM (GaqMa)

303 D-Lamp the hack involved commanding the car to brake without driver input. Who needs to spoof when you can cause the accident.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 04, 2014 07:54 AM (NNjb2)

304 honestly I can't figure out what their game plan is.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at February 04, 2014 11:48 AM (GaqMa)

Single payer. The goal has always been single payer.

Posted by: troyriser at February 04, 2014 07:55 AM (V9ol4)

305 Are you telling me we don't have a single leading economist out there who will do an honest economic impact analysis of 'immigration reform?' The Right sucks. We are the Houston Astros of ideology.

Posted by: Soothsayer at February 04, 2014 07:55 AM (/hs1M)

306 how would single payer LOOK Better to the population?

Posted by: willow at February 04, 2014 07:56 AM (nqBYe)

307 Calvinball. Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at February 04, 2014 11:53 AM (VtjlW) One almost wonder's if that's accurate. Create a rules system so complex only congress can navigate it (and by navigate I mean "pass foolish impersonations of laws.") People are scared of change, so if the democrats promise to pass those "laws" and "help" people, they get elections over conservatives who offer to unwind the stupid.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at February 04, 2014 07:56 AM (GaqMa)

308 Are you telling me we don't have a single leading economist out there who will do an honest economic impact analysis of 'immigration reform?' Plenty. But nobody will publish the results widely. You know the drill by now...

Posted by: Brother Cavil at February 04, 2014 07:56 AM (naUcP)

309 AND is it too early to drink wine?

Posted by: willow at February 04, 2014 07:56 AM (nqBYe)

310 honestly I can't figure out what their game plan is. Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at February 04, 2014 11:48 AM (GaqMa) me either, But they can't really let go of Obama's (their) primary hope and change legislation ,can they? Posted by: willow That's the game at this point. Don't let go & ride it into the ground. They don't have a plan B.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 04, 2014 07:57 AM (t+DWU)

311 how would single payer LOOK Better to the population?
Posted by: willow at February 04, 2014 11:56 AM

Sanctuary!

Posted by: Logan 5 at February 04, 2014 07:57 AM (KQp38)

312 My point still stands. The idea of "greedy insurance companies" is at best an overgeneralization (and at worst an outright lie.) Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at February 04, 2014 11:39 AM (GaqMa)

Yep. On the company, Intraweb, we had a presentation about how much profit we make--1%. Compare us to bottled water, candy, soda, and cigarettes, all of which are sold for far greater profits. We also don't deny claims unless there has been major malfeasance, fraud, or a few other narrow legal reasons. It is far cheaper for us to pay a claim than deny it and go to court. We pay claims every day that technically we could reject.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, think mink. at February 04, 2014 07:57 AM (kXoT0)

313 also what might be a win for the GOP is to explain Medicaid isn't really Free for those on it. as they take your assets at the end of the day?

Posted by: willow at February 04, 2014 07:57 AM (nqBYe)

314 Some enterprising group of individuals, perhaps a few with political attachments, could, possibly, if they chose to, point out the negative effects that Progressive/Dimocrat policies are having on the country, at a time when the country least needs them. Just a suggestion...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at February 04, 2014 07:57 AM (0HooB)

315 Carol, I'm not sure how it works for adults, but when my son was born 10 weeks early weighing 2lbs he automatically qualified for SSI Medicaid which was run through the Social Security office and was different than just regular medicaid. I think they may have a local administrator as well maybe?

Posted by: Lauren at February 04, 2014 07:58 AM (hFL/3)

316 So you are telling me the CBO "dropped the groundhog" on the American people. Nice!

Posted by: Ammo Dump at February 04, 2014 07:58 AM (GgPam)

317 Quoting from 'Candy Bombers' (an excellent read: http://thecandybombers.com/ ) : "The Russians seemed methodical. As one Communist leader, Hungary's Matyas Rakoski, explained it, eliminating democratic opposition was "like cutting up a salami, thin slice after thin slice' -- soon it would be all gone."

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 04, 2014 07:58 AM (aDwsi)

318 Posted by: Carol at February 04, 2014 11:40 AM (z4WKX) Carol, It's time you started to beat the crap out of your family for more support and help. Humiliate them, shame them. Do what ever you have to for more help. Your brothers kids aren't helping? Find some way to force them.

Posted by: ExSnipe at February 04, 2014 07:58 AM (LKJt3)

319 It's insulting to everyone how pols are tackling important "problems" and "issues" that could possibly translate into votes for them in the next election, but that can't bring themselves to tackle problems and issues that might actually benefit everyone - like say, coming up with a truly fair tax structure instead of the punitive and compulsive abortion that we have now that only benefits Washington and its parasites.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at February 04, 2014 07:58 AM (BZAd3)

320
That's a long way from here and now. My assumption is that by 2021 we'll be essentially living in Mad Max's world anyway, so this "jobs" thing will hardly be a concern.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 04, 2014 11:44 AM (TOk1P)

*Cur sends assless chaps out to the dry cleaners and begins polishing stainless steel colander helmet*

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 04, 2014 07:58 AM (TIIx5)

321 Speaking of Zombies chasing people, I have a question for game/comic book fans. I was on YouTube and found what looked to be an animated Batman I'd never seen. Couple hours long. It turned out to be Batman Markham Origins "With Game play". I had no idea what that meant. I started, and kind of liked, it, but I'm not sure what I was watching. Game instructions occasionally appear, boss battle power bars appear, etc. as a Batman movie unfolds. So, how did someone make that? Get awesome at the game, so he could just blast through levels with no setbacks, keeping the story perfectly linear, and the dialogue sensical? That's pretty cool.

Posted by: Lincolntf at February 04, 2014 07:58 AM (ZshNr)

322 >>According to Drudge, Paul Ryan and Chuck Schumer are having "secret" immigration negotiations. >>I find this to be bullshit. Ryan would never do such a thing! Actually, its not Drudge. Drudge doesn't report shit, they link articles. The article is at that well known conservative rag, Politico which you would have known had you bothered to read the link. You also would have noticed that noted border squish Trey Gowdy is also meeting with Schumer. No doubt to go back on everything he has said to date because of Schumer's noted 3 dimensional chess talents. Both Ryan and Gowdy are part of the House leadership team designated to work on this issue. In other words, the article is reporting they are doing their jobs. Horror.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 04, 2014 07:58 AM (g1DWB)

323 rick. i would like to think they don't have a plan b.

but they sure seem to win a lot of their hopes and dreams so ..
perhaps WE should make our plan b-c and d!

Posted by: willow at February 04, 2014 07:59 AM (nqBYe)

324 CBO Nearly Triples Estimate of Work Hours Lost Due to Obamacare.

But...but...Bridgegate!!

Posted by: PJ at February 04, 2014 07:59 AM (ZWaLo)

325 . . . for the middle class, you know, because they can survive without jobs, without an income, without hope of advancement in society. Invest in skittles and unicorns.

Posted by: flounder at February 04, 2014 07:59 AM (Kkt/i)

326 how would single payer LOOK Better to the population?

Are u kidding it would be FREE! I like free stuff becuz it dont cost money.

Posted by: LIVs everywhere at February 04, 2014 07:59 AM (SY2Kh)

327 Meanwhile the Democrats in Congress want the FCC to again tell ISPs how to be 'net neutral' after the Federal courts mangled the FCC on it.
http://watchdog.org/126972/internet-war-2/

Â“ItÂ’s more than ironic that the same Administration that canÂ’t figure out how to make Healthcare.Gov work now thinks that regulating the Internet like China and Russia will make things better for American consumers,Â” said Blackburn in a public statement.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 04, 2014 07:59 AM (NNjb2)

328 Arkham

Posted by: Lincolntf at February 04, 2014 08:00 AM (ZshNr)

329 more or less. Listening to enemy communications (i.e. NPR) I have gathered that in part, they're playing this almost like an ad campaign. Since 10.10 is easy to remember people will be more open to it. I guess it's a page out of the Herman Cain handbook. Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at February 04, 2014 11:52 AM (GaqMa) ********** Well I actually went looking for it in "the text as prepared" and again it looks like Obama went off script there. But it really is something when you think about it--what he is saying in a sense is--they added that extra 10 cents--"So it would be easier to remember?" So now they are governing to get easier cheerleading lines. And dumbing it down--for their base.

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at February 04, 2014 08:00 AM (RJMhd)

330 Some enterprising group of individuals, perhaps a few with political attachments, could, possibly, if they chose to, point out the negative effects that Progressive/Dimocrat policies are having on the country OK, stop right there. If the people voting Dim gave three shits about the country, they wouldn't vote Dim. You would have to prove to them that the Dims were screwing them, personally, before it would have impact. And the Dims are the ones providing their binkies. And remember, the junkie thinks their pusher is their friend. Nevermind they're killing them.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at February 04, 2014 08:00 AM (naUcP)

331

Sigh, a blessing in disguise.

Let's fucking burn this party down. Either rebuild it or leave it.

Posted by: prescient11 at February 04, 2014 08:00 AM (tVTLU)

332 This is America's President, folks:

Obama: "In a country where we demand free wifi w/our coffee, we should certainly demand it in our schools."

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There has never, ever, been a more economic illiterate President than this dope.

Posted by: Jay in PA at February 04, 2014 08:01 AM (3LaGb)

333 Just why in the fuck is immigration reform even on the fucking table??????? It's as if the GOP is playing Russian roulette and there's no one else in the fucking room. Posted by: prescient11 at February 04, 2014 11:52 AM (tVTLU) Russian Roulette with a Semi-Automatic pistol. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SC7GGrUdJUI

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 04, 2014 08:02 AM (bb5+k)

334 Posted by: Lauren at February 04, 2014 11:58 AM (hFL/3) How is your son now Lauren? Thanks for the info. They have applied for Paul to get SSDI but so far nothing.

Posted by: Carol at February 04, 2014 08:02 AM (z4WKX)

335 Both Ryan and Gowdy are part of the House leadership team designated to work on this issue. In other words, the article is reporting they are doing their jobs. Horror. Posted by: JackStraw at February 04, 2014 11:58 AM

So when the House passes amnesty with provisions of "border security" that are administered by Holder's Justice Dept, you'll be telling us "we have them right where we want them"

Posted by: kbdabear at February 04, 2014 08:02 AM (aTXUx)

336 D-Lamp, do I even want to go there??

Posted by: prescient11 at February 04, 2014 08:02 AM (tVTLU)

337 prescient, perhaps rebuild the party.
i don't see how 3rd party works for a Very long time . backers, votes etc..

we don't have time.

Posted by: willow at February 04, 2014 08:02 AM (nqBYe)

338 Even if they didn't plan for it--the game is ending up with---more chaos. Chaos always has people screaming for someone, anyone (government) to get more control of a thing. Anarchy almost always is followed by extreme "rule".

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at February 04, 2014 08:03 AM (RJMhd)

339 >>So when the House passes amnesty with provisions of "border security" that are administered by Holder's Justice Dept, you'll be telling us "we have them right where we want them" No. And when they don't do that what will you be saying?

Posted by: JackStraw at February 04, 2014 08:03 AM (g1DWB)

340 The Dims objective is two fold with regards to converting health insurance to single payer.

Single Payer: Once it is in and staffed with the appropriate people, they effectively control this population cradle to grave.

Reserves held by health insurance companies: Literally billions and billions of real dollars, not funny money, real money. HICs are required to have liquid reserves that will cover a full one year's maximum payout per subscriber. A lot of blood, sweat, and tears goes into calculating that amount each year in order to account for such variables as flu, pneumonia, etc. It is usually around 1.5 to 2 million per head. So they must maintain billions to cover all the people they insure. If and when they seize and nationalize the HICs, some of that money will stick to the correct grubby little paws.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, think mink. at February 04, 2014 08:04 AM (kXoT0)

341

Posted by: JackStraw at February 04, 2014 11:58 AM (g1DWB)

Now you've done it.

They are not going to take this.

Ryan, he's a dead man.

Gowdy, dead!

Posted by: polynikes at February 04, 2014 08:04 AM (m2CN7)

342
I saw Rosie Scenario and Rosie the Riveter having a 3 way with Bob the Builder in the Breakroom.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 04, 2014 08:04 AM (n0DEs)

343 we don't have time. We needed to start years ago. But sometimes it doesn't take as long as you think. Question for the class: How long did it take for the Republicans to go from being founded to having the White House?

Posted by: Brother Cavil at February 04, 2014 08:04 AM (naUcP)

344 308 Calvinball.

Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at February 04, 2014 11:53 AM (VtjlW)

One almost wonder's if that's accurate.

Create a rules system so complex only congress can navigate it (and by navigate I mean "pass foolish impersonations of laws.")
============
I guess I should point out that Obaaamacare included a big chunk on "navigators."

Yup.

Posted by: RoyalOil at February 04, 2014 08:05 AM (VjL9S)

345 NBCÂ’s David Gregory begs public to give Obama credit on economy

Gregory fretted to White House chief of staff Denis McDonough: Â“Do you ever wonder why the president doesnÂ’t get more credit for an economy that is rebounding? WhatÂ’s the disconnect there?Â”

Posted by: Nancy at February 04, 2014 08:05 AM (GYTqM)

346 No. And when they don't do that what will you be saying?

Posted by: JackStraw at February 04, 2014 12:03 PM (g1DWB)

you have allowed us to renew faith in you?

why is immigration even being discussed at this point with the economy limping so?

a feint?

Posted by: willow at February 04, 2014 08:05 AM (nqBYe)

347 Their end game is totalitarianism.

USSA.

One party.

Think about it.

Right now, we can vote for the Communists or the Socialists.

They are both the same team.

"The transformation of America."

Czar O just forgot to add "...into a Communist nation."

Posted by: shibumi at February 04, 2014 08:06 AM (25HWz)

348 A better example is that the Republican Party behaves like the Washington Generals against the Harlem Globetrotters. Token resistance. Perfect analogy, D Lamp. Love it.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 04, 2014 08:06 AM (7ObY1)

349 btw not snark, I really don't understand why amnesty is even on the board.

Posted by: willow at February 04, 2014 08:06 AM (nqBYe)

350 t's time you started to beat the crap out of your family for more support and help. Humiliate them, shame them. Do what ever you have to for more help. Your brothers kids aren't helping? Find some way to force them. Posted by: ExSnipe at February 04, 2014 11:58 AM (LKJt3) ExSnipe, His son is a jerk. They day Paul woke up from being in a coma & on ventilator for 12 days, his 23 year old son, was at a party with a friend of ours. He acts like a little girl, he said heÂ’s glad heÂ’s going to live & then said whenÂ’s he going to visit us! I havenÂ’t had a call returned by him in three years. His daughter, my goddaughter was good student, had scholarship to go to nursing school but then got into drugs. She was arrested a few times. Now sheÂ’s working two jobs at restaurants. She calls me because I got ticked off that she texted me Merry Christmas. I told my brother last night that he better tell his son to call me back when I call.

Posted by: Carol at February 04, 2014 08:06 AM (z4WKX)

351 There has never, ever, been a more economic illiterate President than this dope. Forget economics (though those are a factor, too), the main reason most schools don't have WiFi is that they don't want kids using the internet just whenever. Many (most?) have gone so far as to install technology that even blocks most phone transmissions. And forget even illegal/inadvisable sites (which could be blocked). Are you going to block m-w.com? How about Wikipedia or other (more accurate) research sites? Kids doing research papers need access to that, but you *don't* want the kid just sitting in class to have access via their smart-phone or (as many schools are starting to do) school-issued-tablet.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 04, 2014 08:07 AM (PYAXX)

352 "Russian Roulette with a Semi-Automatic pistol."

17 Round magazine, and only one round in it.
Better odds then a six shooter.

Posted by: MSM gun expert at February 04, 2014 08:07 AM (DHj6D)

353 JackStraw @323,

Thank you for your kind assurances. I am much relieved now. I had forgotten all the times the Republicans have had secret meetings with Democrats and surprised us all with massive conservative wins.

Either that or every time the Republicans have secret meetings with Democrats, it produces a through-and-through win for the Democrats.

Do I have another hole in my head I don't know about?

Posted by: RoyalOil at February 04, 2014 08:07 AM (VjL9S)

354 Universal health care would be an easy sell to these Idiots. Observe: obamacare is complicated, confusing, and clunky. Our new plan is simple and fair; everyone has the same plan! This will lower costs and improve service. Everyone wins!

Posted by: Soothsayer at February 04, 2014 08:08 AM (/hs1M)

355 had to look up calvinball.

was that an obscure reference or am i just that dumb?

(don't answer!)

Posted by: willow at February 04, 2014 08:08 AM (nqBYe)

356 you have allowed us to renew faith in you?why is immigration even being discussed at this point with the economy limping so?
a feint?

Posted by: willow at February 04, 2014 12:05 PM (nqBYe)

Nope, we as a whole will make lousy serfs--too damned uppity. Import a few million from countries where everyone has been serfs for generations--they come pre-cowed, expect to work until they drop, actually like very cheap food, and so on and so forth.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, think mink. at February 04, 2014 08:08 AM (kXoT0)

357 Listening to CCR's "Cosmo's Factory" as lunch music. Damn what a great f'ing album. They really don't make 'em like that anymore.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 04, 2014 08:08 AM (7ObY1)

358 346 NBCÂ’s David Gregory begs public to give Obama credit on economy

Points
Laughs
Turns away....

All I see is economic desolation. Since 2008.

Posted by: backhoe at February 04, 2014 08:09 AM (ULH4o)

359 304 D-Lamp the hack involved commanding the car to brake without driver input. Who needs to spoof when you can cause the accident. Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 04, 2014 11:54 AM (NNjb2) Because THAT hack is fixable. A system that transmits and receives data to and from other vehicles, cannot be fixed in any manner that I can contemplate currently. The hacker can always get the necessary electronics out of any legitimate vehicle, and convince that vehicles' computer that it is on the course and speed that he chooses. The RF transmission will be legit to include all encryption and error checking. It will be a bonafide transmission triggered by false data fed to the the hacked electronic system. The victim's car computer will interpret as completely legitimate. Simply unfixable.

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 04, 2014 08:09 AM (bb5+k)

360 was that an obscure reference or am i just that dumb? LOL, I was a Calvin and Hobbes fanatic back in the day, so I got it.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 04, 2014 08:09 AM (7ObY1)

361 No. And when they don't do that what will you be saying?

Posted by: JackStraw at February 04, 2014 12:03 PM (g1DWB)

Man Bites Dog

Posted by: kbdabear at February 04, 2014 08:10 AM (aTXUx)

362 What this country needs is a good $5 bag of Ace of Spades smack.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 04, 2014 08:10 AM (t+DWU)

363 "How is your son now Lauren? Thanks for the info. They have applied for Paul to get SSDI but so far nothing." He's doing really well. He has Aspergers, but who knows if that's prematurity related or just how he would have been no matter what. He also has pituitary dwarfism, but right now we're on a break from the growth hormone shots to see if he can maintain his growth.Fingers crossed, because daily shots are not fun, especially for a kids with sensory issues! Thanks for asking. I would say it may be time to get a lawyer for your brother to help him get on SSDI. So many people get denied when they should clearly be on it, meanwhile parents are milking the system for a few kids with ADHD. Infuriating! They ended my son's SSI when he was 5 and we didn't fight it because it really wasn't worth being tethered to a government program, but in your brother's situation I would definitely fight to get him enrolled.

Posted by: Lauren at February 04, 2014 08:10 AM (hFL/3)

364 AllenG,

That is a very valid point.

We now have a President who is just out shouting stupid on topics he is entirely unfamiliar to crowds with his pen and phone in hand.

Posted by: Jay in PA at February 04, 2014 08:10 AM (3LaGb)

365 Things are going so well here in Washington, I mean the place is booming. Why can't you kulaks give our glorious leader credit?

Posted by: David Gregory at February 04, 2014 08:10 AM (Aif/5)

366 Something went wrong in the Gregory gene pool.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 04, 2014 08:10 AM (7ObY1)

367 Hey AlextheChick, guess what is coming on TCM at 6:15pm Eastern tonight?

Babette's Feast.

Turtle soup is right off the menu.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 04, 2014 08:10 AM (NNjb2)

368

Steyn subbing for Rush today

my fave sub

Posted by: McCool at February 04, 2014 08:11 AM (nCSwS)

369 There has never, ever, been a more economic illiterate President than this dope.
===

Wouldn't it be neat if we could sneak a peak at the current president's college transcripts?

Posted by: mrp at February 04, 2014 08:11 AM (JBggj)

370 As an aside, what happens when a state turns Red after decades of Dems. Scroll down through the charts, then look at the table below, starting around 2008. http://tinyurl.com/lceycfy

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 04, 2014 08:11 AM (aDwsi)

371 "was that an obscure reference or am i just that dumb?"

Gather any group of 50 random people you meet on the street, and I bet that not three of them can tell you about Calvin Ball.

Out of 50 Morons here.....maybe 40 do.
41 now counting you.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 04, 2014 08:11 AM (DHj6D)

372 nood

Posted by: flounder at February 04, 2014 08:12 AM (Kkt/i)

373

340 -

I am longing for the day when I can say the words: "You, Jack Straw, were right. The lot of us reprobates was wrong!"

What a wonderful day that would be...

Posted by: BurtTC at February 04, 2014 08:12 AM (TOk1P)

374 sneek a peek, that is. Not yet fully caffeinated.

Posted by: mrp at February 04, 2014 08:12 AM (JBggj)

375 Nood up.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 04, 2014 08:12 AM (knoK7)

376 sneak a peek. One more cup.

Posted by: mrp at February 04, 2014 08:12 AM (JBggj)

377 Perhaps it's for the best that google's new commenting system over at youtube is so bizarre now. Keeps me from wasting my time with stupid people.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 04, 2014 08:13 AM (0jFxY)

378 It makes perfect rational sense when you remember obama's target audience is Dumb People. How else would you talk to these idiots?

Posted by: Soothsayer at February 04, 2014 08:13 AM (/hs1M)

379 Nope, we as a whole will make lousy serfs--too damned uppity. Import a few million from countries where everyone has been serfs for generations--they come pre-cowed, expect to work until they drop, actually like very cheap food, and so on and so forth.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, think mink. at February 04, 2014 12:08 PM (kXoT0)

well sure , they get cheap labor, in the immediate. but next generation immigrants demands are similar to ours.

you know we ALL get 'above our designated stations '

look my thing is this,. a few corps many in Tech want this , while allowing the taxpayer to pick up the economic welfare of the new workers real needs.

so.

i don't have the answers just questions at why now.

Posted by: willow at February 04, 2014 08:13 AM (nqBYe)

380 What this country needs is a good $5 bag of Ace of Spades smack. Posted by: rickb223 -------------------------- What this country needs is a good five-cent nickle. - Will Rogers

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 04, 2014 08:13 AM (aDwsi)

381
>>>>btw not snark, I really don't understand why amnesty is even on the board.

Posted by: willow at February 04, 2014 12:06 PM (nqBYe) <<<<<

And they started the day after the last election. Everyone of these DC bastards might disagree with each other on certain things, but they all are in agreement that there should be a hierarchical society with them on top. They just want to import a more willing class of subordinates.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 04, 2014 08:14 AM (n0DEs)

382 "and yes , my daughter has been a casualty kicked back to a 30 hour work week. and must cough up another 500 and so dollars for health care , also she must be grateful that she still Keeps a job."

My daughter works part-time. She couldn't afford health insurance *before* Obamacare. Now, thanks to the Affordable Care Act, she will be fined - oops, taxed, according to John Roberts - for the privilege of being poor. *Way To Go*, guys!

Posted by: Brown Line at February 04, 2014 08:15 AM (VrNoa)

383 337 D-Lamp, do I even want to go there?? Posted by: prescient11 at February 04, 2014 12:02 PM (tVTLU) Meh. If you want to see someone shoot himself in the head because he's using a semi-automatic pistol to play Russian roulette, then yes. If not, then no.

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 04, 2014 08:15 AM (bb5+k)

384 >>My recollection from the time it was being drafted was that it came out of a lot of staffers' desk drawers and then they tried to edit out the conflicting parts. Posted by: Ian S Over 600 pages were written by Robert Cramer while in prison. Husband of Marxist Jan Schkowsky.

Posted by: Aviator at February 04, 2014 08:16 AM (jSUU1)

385 "They just want to import a more willing class of subordinates."

More to the point, they hate the working class - you know, the Bitter Clingers - which is why they're importing a new, more docile one.

Posted by: Brown Line at February 04, 2014 08:16 AM (VrNoa)

386 Hey AlextheChick, guess what is coming on TCM at 6:15pm Eastern tonight? Babette's Feast. Turtle soup is right off the menu. Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 04, 2014 12:10 PM (NNjb2) Man, I love that movie.

Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at February 04, 2014 08:17 AM (VtjlW)

387 Posted by: Carol at February 04, 2014 12:06 PM (z4WKX) Ugh! I thought I had crappy relatives. Thoughts and prayers for you.

Posted by: ExSnipe at February 04, 2014 08:20 AM (LKJt3)

388 If he was here in MA I could bring him things & return them. Plus heÂ’d have a visitor other than my cousin. Posted by: Carol at February 04, 2014 11:40 AM (z4WKX) As other's have stated, Medicaid is handled individually by the states. And there are residency requirements, you can't just move to a state and have immediate medicaid coverage. Most states are at least six months residency with an address before you are considered a resident and eligible. This is what happens to many elderly parents whose kids want to bring them to the state they live in for a nursing home...they run into the residency requirement. You need to visit the local Medicaid office for information on your particular state.

Posted by: Jen at February 04, 2014 08:21 AM (4t/Y9)

389 It is hard to blame the CBO estimates. By law, they cannot use any numbers or formulae other than those they are specified to use. Democrats controlled both House and Senate when ObamaCare was passed and built in the "rosy scenario" assumptions that were used for the earlier estimates.

Later estimates are based on the actual data coming in.

Posted by: Adjoran at February 04, 2014 08:21 AM (QIQ6j)

390 Lauren, You will never know why you son was born like that. IÂ’m glad heÂ’s doing well. Paul has a lawyer up in Maine to help with the SSDI. I told him to ask if he can get him transferred here. I donÂ’t know why he hasnÂ’t asked him. I think the social worker in ME is a lazy one. She said we could transfer him in August & now sheÂ’s telling him it would be a very expensive ride to get him here to MA via ambulance, etc. I was going to call the administrator today but IÂ’m nauseated and canÂ’t handle talking on the phone today. The antibiotics I have say not to take with calcium, and Tums etc have calcium in them. IÂ’m hoping IÂ’ll get used to the antibiotic. I found Paul some sweat pants at Old Navy online & called to make sure they are the kind he wanted. Then he asked for underwear. I told him the Joe Boxers he likes are $12 each at Kmart & to ask his son to buy him some. I spent nearly $100 on four pairs of pants for him. Let his son buy him underwear because I canÂ’t afford it. My underwear donÂ’t cost $12 each.

Posted by: Carol at February 04, 2014 08:21 AM (z4WKX)

391 you have allowed us to renew faith in you?why is immigration even being discussed at this point with the economy limping so? a feint? You might have noticed that every now and then politicians play politics. We have a president who virtually everyone acknowledges is increasingly lawless and not only threatening but actually doing things by going around congress. Remember the Dream Act? Dems have nothing to run on this year. Nada. Not the economy, not Obamacare, not even foreign policy which is threatening to explode and even Kerry is admitting is a failure. But they have to run on something. So they will go back to their tried and true bashing Republicans for a war on women and having no plan for illegal immigration. They have been doing this for years and doing it successfully. Republicans have been countering by increasingly putting women out front, McMorris and Ros-Lehtinen both gave SOTU responses and there will be more of this stuff and beginning a discussion on immigration reform which everyone knows needs to be tackled. Just screaming enforce the law has not worked and will not work with a president who picks and chooses which laws he will enforce and has been notably not enforcing immigration law. So the Republican put out a statement of principles, not a bill, that talks about border and interior enforcement that can only been attested to by people outside the Obama administration with no pathway to citizenship, something the left absolutely demands, and thats all they have done. It prevents the left from saying that Republicans have no ideas and hopefully it also keeps Obama from acting unilaterally which he has threatened repeatedly. And anyone who has been paying attention to this issue knows that the House has been holding hearings on illegal immigration for over a year, many chaired by Gowdy. This is not a new issue, its one the msm is trying to stir up angst on the right. If you saw Ryan on the tube on Sunday he said he doubted that there would be a bill this year, largely because Republicans don't trust Obama to obey the law. This is a theme that keeps getting hammered and its a good one. Put the blame for no reform right back on Obama. If people actually read the article that is causing some freak out they would have seen this. >>Some on Capitol Hill downplayed the latest House discussions. Â“There are no across-the-aisle discussions on substance yet,Â” said one House Democratic aide who is closely involved in the issue. So which is it, are Ryan and Gowdy selling us out with a secret plan or have there not even been any substantive discussions yet? Another top House Dem and Pelosi lieutenant pulled the ripcord today, Andrews of NJ. This is the 4th senior Dem to bolt in a week. Obama's approval has sunk to new lows and is continuing down. The Senate is absolutely in play and prospects are looking better everyday. And you don't think professional politicians on the right have noticed this?

Posted by: JackStraw at February 04, 2014 08:22 AM (g1DWB)

392 btw not snark, I really don't understand why amnesty is even on the board. Posted by: willow at February 04, 2014 12:06 PM (nqBYe) Willow, The Chamber of Commerce and those groups are pushing for it. ThatÂ’s why amnesty is on the table.

Posted by: Carol at February 04, 2014 08:22 AM (z4WKX)

393

Willow,

I tend to agree. But whigs were gone in 7 years. It is not we who need the GOP, it is they who need us.

I am sick and fucking tired of having idiots represent us in the fight for our very civilization.

Posted by: prescient11 at February 04, 2014 08:23 AM (tVTLU)

394 I am sick and fucking tired of having idiots represent us in the fight for our very civilization. Posted by: prescient11 at February 04, 2014 12:23 PM (tVTLU) I couldnÂ’t have said it better.

Posted by: Carol at February 04, 2014 08:25 AM (z4WKX)

395 Babette's Feast? I made the mistake of going to that movie when I was hungry. After it was over, we went to a nice Italian restaurant for dinner. Somehow, just grabbing a Big Mac didn't seem right.

Posted by: Donna V at February 04, 2014 08:25 AM (u0lmX)

396 Carol,you REALLY need to eat something if the antibiotics are bothering your stomach....even if it's just some toast.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at February 04, 2014 08:27 AM (bCEmE)

397 This is a theme that keeps getting hammered and its a good one. Put the blame for no reform right back on Obama.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 04, 2014 12:22 PM (g1DWB)

They can't get a majority of voters to blame Obama for the bad economy instead of Bush, couldn't get them to blame the park closures on Obama, but they'll blame no reform on Obama this time?

100th time is a charm I guess

Posted by: kbdabear at February 04, 2014 08:27 AM (aTXUx)

398 The only honest publication is InvestorsÂ’ Business Daily Editorials.

Posted by: Carol at February 04, 2014 08:28 AM (z4WKX)

399 Posted by: Tami at February 04, 2014 12:27 PM (bCEmE) Tami, I ate a banana and a blueberry scone. I feel a little better but not good. Thank you.

Posted by: Carol at February 04, 2014 08:33 AM (z4WKX)

400 >>They can't get a majority of voters to blame Obama for the bad economy instead of Bush, couldn't get them to blame the park closures on Obama, but they'll blame no reform on Obama this time? We acknowledge here everyday that we have an msm that is hopelessly biased. The only reason Obama has gotten away with what he has so far is because they cover for their boyfriend. And yes, that has helped Obama dodge blame for a lot of things. So what? Are you advocating giving up or just doing nothing which has worked so well for us on this issue since never. There is no amnesty in this statement of principles put out by the House. It specifically says no pathway to citizenship other than getting to the back of the line. And anyone who wants to stay under some sort of legalization without citizenship deal would need to register, pay a fine and back taxes and get zero benefits including the right to vote. The left has never agreed to this. All they care about is votes. And there is no bill to even vote on.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 04, 2014 08:39 AM (g1DWB)

401 You need to keep something in your stomach all day. Eat another scone.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at February 04, 2014 08:39 AM (bCEmE)

402 398 This is a theme that keeps getting hammered and its a good one. Put the blame for no reform right back on Obama. Why the fuck would people care about that, if they don't care about the NSA, IRS, Fast and Furious, Benghazi... Or are you thinking latinos will abandon the Democrats? Instead of this convoluted maze of misdirection, it seems simpler to me to take them at their word. 1) The RNC published a document saying inroads need to be made with hispanics. 2) The Chamber of Commerce wants amnesty. 3) Paul Ryan and John Boehner both say they want amnesty. But instead we're supposed to sit tight, because it won't happen, because you say so.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at February 04, 2014 08:40 AM (4T5lL)

403 You need to visit the local Medicaid office for information on your particular state. Posted by: Jen at February 04, 2014 12:21 PM (4t/Y9) Jen, He lived in MA until late 2005. He was born here and grew up here,had kids here, etc. I called one day last week & woman gave me phone number for Maine Care. Paul needs to put in some effort himself. I have a job but am home sick today. Thank you,

Posted by: Carol at February 04, 2014 08:41 AM (z4WKX)

404 We acknowledge here everyday that we have an msm that is hopelessly biased. The only reason Obama has gotten away with what he has so far is because they cover for their boyfriend. And yes, that has helped Obama dodge blame for a lot of things. Why do they need to do this? They could hammer him on Obamacare. 97% of the country rated other issues as more important than immigration. And nobody's gonna give a shit about a bill that fails. Aside from the GOP, who takes about the Senate bill that failed?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at February 04, 2014 08:43 AM (4T5lL)

405 IÂ’m listening to Mark Steyn & am going to try to take a nap. Thanks ex-Snipe for your prayers.

Posted by: Carol at February 04, 2014 08:44 AM (z4WKX)

406 >>But instead we're supposed to sit tight, because it won't happen, because you say so. You can do whatever you want. You have your opinion and I have mine. I don't see Trey Gowdy pushing amnesty. But if you do then have at it.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 04, 2014 08:44 AM (g1DWB)

407 Nancy Pelosi, "don't look at me".

Posted by: Buffalobob at February 04, 2014 08:48 AM (RZBmV)

408 I don't see Trey Gowdy pushing amnesty. But if you do then have at it. I don't know Trey Gowdy, or care about him. I watch what people do. If they do shit I don't like, I say so.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at February 04, 2014 08:48 AM (tmzN0)

409 3-D chess, wingnuts. Just watch.

Posted by: Chi-Townjweststrawpoint at February 04, 2014 09:04 AM (YmPwQ)

410 if you like your illusions, you can keep them. Caveat emptor otherwise.

Posted by: mallfly at February 04, 2014 09:12 AM (bJm7W)

411 Bill Clinton always looked a little guilty and uncomfortable when he was lying and you could see it.

This one lies, looks away, and smirks. It is so disgusting.

Posted by: Jen at February 04, 2014 10:58 AM (4t/Y9)
Yeah, and he always did that thing where he looked over at the interviewer out of the corners of his eyes with a look on his face that said, "You buyin' this, hoss? Or do I have to tap dance a little longer."

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, think mink. at February 04, 2014 11:09 AM (kXoT0)

***************************

Don't forget the lip bite and the closed-fist thumbs up.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at February 04, 2014 09:16 AM (HubSo)

412 OT kinda: Which is more un-American: Coke or Pepsi? Or do I need to switch to RC or Shasta?

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at February 04, 2014 09:18 AM (OPzNA)

413

i recall President Obama saying something along the lines of "let's not quibble over the math." as if that wasn't an important part what the republicans were objecting to. the math was fucked from the get go.

anyone else remember that? it really pissed me off.

pathological altruism demonstrated right before our eyes.

what a bunch of douche bags. and people really believe that these fuckers give a shit.

Posted by: i like anchors at February 04, 2014 12:00 PM (nBE5A)

414 OT kinda: Which is more un-American: Coke or Pepsi? Or do I need to switch to RC or Shasta? Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at February 04, 2014 01:18 PM (OPzNA) Both companies consider themselves global companies. Their patriotism is to the world, not to the USA. Look at both of their websites, there leadership, mission statements, etc. are all there to read. Then read National Beverage Company's website, which is the parent company of Shasta/Faygo. The first thing you notice is the American Flag on the home page. I know which company I'll support.

Posted by: Jen at February 04, 2014 12:11 PM (4t/Y9)

415 Yep, my mom works at an elementary school & she no longer works on Mondays. She's not happy!

Posted by: Adlib421 at February 04, 2014 01:19 PM (aaCv0)

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