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March 01, 2014

Late Morning Open Thread: Government Troll Edition [Y-not]
— Open Blogger

I don't recall seeing this hit AoSHQ this week.

From TechDirt:

A few weeks ago, Glenn Greenwald, while working with NBC News, revealed some details of a GCHQ presentation concerning how the surveillance organization had a "dirty tricks" group known as JTRIG -- the Joint Threat Research Intelligence Group. Now, over at The Intercept, he's revealed the entire presentation and highlighted more details about how JTRIG would seek to infiltrate different groups online and destroy people's reputations -- going way, way, way beyond just targeting terrorist groups and threats to national security.

Read the rest here.

We're in the very best of hands.

Open thread.

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1 I'm sure they would never use those 'troll's against their political opponents.

Posted by: willow at March 01, 2014 06:27 AM (nqBYe)

2 Absolutely not, willow. Silly person!

Posted by: Y-not at March 01, 2014 06:28 AM (zDsvJ)

3 Just confirms what we've been saying for years. Except its NSA trolls instead of OFA.

Posted by: Adam at March 01, 2014 06:28 AM (Aif/5)

4 Hey, baby.. What are you wearing? Just kidding. I'm already watching.

Posted by: NSA Pickup Artist at March 01, 2014 06:28 AM (KgN8K)

5 BTW, for the gardening horde, per your requests I'm going to put the thread up in the late afternoon (Eastern time), assuming I can find a slot.

Posted by: Y-not at March 01, 2014 06:29 AM (zDsvJ)

6 I had you at Hello

Posted by: NSA Pickup Artist at March 01, 2014 06:29 AM (KgN8K)

7 Why am not surprised. Online tabloid reporting but on the government dime.

"Where can I go to get my reputation back?" As one Republican politician said after being cleared of the media smear job.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 01, 2014 06:29 AM (MOXtS)

8 Hat the hell are they talking about?

Posted by: Money at March 01, 2014 06:30 AM (4+AaH)

9 Wait, Erg and Palin Steele worked for GCHQ? Wow, what a waste of money.

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 01, 2014 06:30 AM (0FSuD)

10 Once again, without autocorrect. What the hell are they talking about.

Posted by: Moby at March 01, 2014 06:30 AM (4+AaH)

11 I know where you've been all my life

Posted by: NSA Pickup Artist at March 01, 2014 06:31 AM (KgN8K)

12 on link; Among the core self-identified purposes of JTRIG are two tactics: (1) to inject all sorts of false material onto the internet in order to destroy the reputation of its targets; and (2) to use social sciences and other techniques to manipulate online discourse and activism to generate outcomes it considers desirable

Posted by: willow at March 01, 2014 06:31 AM (nqBYe)

13 @3 NSA, OFA, what's the difference?

Posted by: NYC Parent at March 01, 2014 06:31 AM (nxzGU)

14 Saw this yesterday & threw up.

Posted by: Corona at March 01, 2014 06:31 AM (fh2Y7)

15 Das Boot comrades imagine what we could have done with this technology!

Posted by: Zombie Stalin at March 01, 2014 06:32 AM (Aif/5)

16 Yeah, this is bullshit.

Posted by: Cass Sunstein at March 01, 2014 06:32 AM (4+AaH)

17 I am comforted by my govts ability to see what the real threat is.

Posted by: willow at March 01, 2014 06:33 AM (nqBYe)

18 Major Motoko Kusanagi of Public Security Section 9 will have to have a chat with these chaps. Such is like Fight Club, you never talk about it.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 01, 2014 06:33 AM (MOXtS)

19 Planting evidence is as old as law enforcement.

That's why we had a 4th Amendment.

And that's why the Supreme Court dismantled it--being unable to convict innocent people is a hindrance to ruling over them.

That is what the NSA is and was up to--they have no need to gather information and snoop on every American. They do, however, as they were told, need to have the means to implicate and incriminate every American.

Nothing short of a complete dismantling and firing of the NSA is appropriate here, with many of the top management incarcerated for 10+ years.

Further, every politician that was briefed on these activities and kept quiet should spend a mandatory 5 years in prison.

Either we are a free people--free in our persons, papers and effects--or we are subjects . . . .

Posted by: RoyalOil at March 01, 2014 06:33 AM (VjL9S)

20 The Black Panthers blamed COINTELPRO's dirty tricks campaign for setting the East Coast and West Coast factions of the BPs against each other -- they murdered each other in gruesome ways and it was the government's fault. The tactics of JTRIG look very similar to COINTELPRO.

Posted by: Rosemarie at March 01, 2014 06:34 AM (0fKEr)

21 I don't consider myself a tinfoil hat wearer, but this stuff really does bother me.

Posted by: Y-not at March 01, 2014 06:35 AM (zDsvJ)

22 KKKillgore Trout was ahead of his time.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 01, 2014 06:35 AM (ZshNr)

23 nsa-pelosi- progressive party -media , they all seem to blend together in casting false aspersions/ attempting to harrass degrade / threaten half the country. what a time to live in america!

Posted by: willow at March 01, 2014 06:35 AM (nqBYe)

24 KKKillgore Trout was ahead of his time. Posted by: Lincolntf at March 01, 2014 10:35 AM (ZshNr) maybe he and snowden are one and the same

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 01, 2014 06:36 AM (t3UFN)

25 To make it clear, I don't blame the govt for the Black Panther violence. Suppose JTRIG planted a rumor that the Lutheran Church ladies were dissing the Presbyterian church ladies, saying that the Lutherans made their coffee too strong. Mayhem would not result, as it did with the Panthers. They were an inherently violent group.

Posted by: Rosemarie at March 01, 2014 06:36 AM (0fKEr)

26 Y-Not , even when i take my tin foil hat and put it in the garbage it seems to find its way back to my desk.

Posted by: willow at March 01, 2014 06:37 AM (nqBYe)

27 it mocks me!

Posted by: willow at March 01, 2014 06:38 AM (nqBYe)

28 JTRIG would seek to infiltrate different groups online and destroy people's reputations We're morons dammit. How will you destroy our reputations?!?

Posted by: RWC at March 01, 2014 06:39 AM (MtC8f)

29 Yeah, me too, willow. I actually got into it a bit w/ my sainted husband yesterday over the privacy laws w/ respect to cell phone tracking data. That's when I know I need to take a break from news -- when I can't have a civil discussion with Mr Y-not about these things.

Posted by: Y-not at March 01, 2014 06:39 AM (zDsvJ)

30 But that Edward Snowden is the bad guy, amirite?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at March 01, 2014 06:39 AM (qad38)

31 Nice find, someone kept trying to blame the events in the Crimea on Snowden.... Nope, the blame is on Clapper, Choom, et al for poisoning the well w/unethical maluse of the assets. I'm old enough I remember when Donkey said looking at library card records was a step too far. Time to sort out this domestic shit before worrying about foreign.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 01, 2014 06:40 AM (TE35l)

32 I wouldn't worry too much. They are probably using a good 75% of their resources trying to find a map that shows the location of Peruvia. And another 10% trying to figure out where we go to get the others.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at March 01, 2014 06:40 AM (g4TxM)

33 RWC its easier to destroy reputations when they know your true name and can put Furry-Pr0n on your computer.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 01, 2014 06:40 AM (MOXtS)

34 19?

Jail?

No, tumbrels and guillotines time. 'Way past time for it.

Duh!1 can bray all the MFM lets him- but conditions are awful in the America I see everyday. Just horrid.

Posted by: backhoe at March 01, 2014 06:40 AM (ULH4o)

35 21 I don't consider myself a tinfoil hat wearer, but this stuff really does bother me. Posted by: Y-not at March 01, 2014 10:35 AM (zDsvJ) Same here. Seems like everything that was nutty as hell before is now possible/plausible. Any tips on dealing with chemtrails?

Posted by: RWC at March 01, 2014 06:41 AM (MtC8f)

36 You bunch of fucking pussies. We went to war over taxes.

Posted by: Geo. Washington at March 01, 2014 06:41 AM (OdRwg)

37 Wonder of Snowden's Intel delivery to Putin gave the Russians all they needed for a full go ahead on Ukraine.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 01, 2014 06:41 AM (ZshNr)

38 Is it a good time of year to prune back my knockout rose bushes to 12 inches or so? They are about three feet tall now. Outside temp about 20 degrees F.

Posted by: Smilin' Jack at March 01, 2014 06:42 AM (Xzj0B)

39 IOW they will plant lies and act as Mobies on exiting sites.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at March 01, 2014 06:42 AM (T2V/1)

40 Here's the problem, what Greenwald is accusing the NSA of is exactly what he used to do all the time. Does he have hard evidence or is he just projecting?

Posted by: lowandslow at March 01, 2014 06:42 AM (IV4od)

41 33 RWC its easier to destroy reputations when they know your true name and can put Furry-Pr0n on your computer. Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 01, 2014 10:40 AM (MOXtS) I renamed that folder as 'Work Files.' One step ahead!

Posted by: RWC at March 01, 2014 06:42 AM (MtC8f)

42 Bevel, He can indeed be a schmuck, Yet I can aknowledge that it is better that we know how the govt has been using the tools at its disposal .

Posted by: willow at March 01, 2014 06:42 AM (nqBYe)

43 I pity the foolish country that doesn't have a revolution every 50 years.

Posted by: Mr. Jefferson T at March 01, 2014 06:42 AM (Aif/5)

44 12 Willow, Which gets back to the point that the GOP refuses to play the network centric warfare game. It hurt a lot more before I started to kill my desire to win.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 01, 2014 06:43 AM (TE35l)

45 The solution to snowden and greenwald is 2 bullets and I am dead serious

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 01, 2014 06:43 AM (t3UFN)

46 Russia didn't need what Showden offered. Remember Putin is KGB and a sore loser. He already had the measure of the President and found him very light in the loafers. Showden was just another jab in the eye at the US' global reputation that Crimea has successfully buried.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 01, 2014 06:43 AM (MOXtS)

47 Same here. Seems like everything that was nutty as hell before is now possible/plausible. --- The environment of mistrust that this Administration has created, with some help from our "side," is really awful. And it's why simple things like ID cards w/ RFID tags get such strong reactions out of us. (Although I really do think grognard was right yesterday on the Tennessee State U thread and that was a nothingburger story.)

Posted by: Y-not at March 01, 2014 06:44 AM (zDsvJ)

48 45 The solution to snowden and greenwald is 2 bullets and I am dead serious Great idea. Nobody will ever come forward again to tell us when the government is doing illegal and tyrannical things.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at March 01, 2014 06:45 AM (qad38)

49 Storms a comin'

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at March 01, 2014 06:45 AM (OdRwg)

50 Oops. saw plant in the wrong context. Garden thread another time

Posted by: Smilin' Jack at March 01, 2014 06:45 AM (Xzj0B)

51 30 Bevel L, You're dead roght according to yesterday... Snowden never tried to say I was a neo-nazi...unlike NSA, OFA, Et Al...

Posted by: sven10077 at March 01, 2014 06:45 AM (TE35l)

52 The Black Panthers blamed COINTELPRO's dirty tricks campaign for setting the East Coast and West Coast factions of the BPs against each other -- they murdered each other in gruesome ways and it was the government's fault. The tactics of JTRIG look very similar to COINTELPRO. Posted by: Rosemarie

The problem with that, Rosemarie, is that the Black Panthers were the ones who actually did the gruesome murdering. Now if COINTELPRO managed to have them gruesomely murder each other instead of innocent victims, then in retrospect, I'd consider that a success.

.

Posted by: West at March 01, 2014 06:45 AM (gtiZk)

53 snowden isn't the problem....our government is the problem

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at March 01, 2014 06:45 AM (u8GsB)

54 But the CIA and NSA are forbidden from operating in the US so we have nothing to worry about.

Posted by: LIV Dumb-Ass at March 01, 2014 06:45 AM (T2V/1)

55 38 Is it a good time of year to prune back my knockout rose bushes to 12 inches or so? --- The gardening thread should go up this afternoon (space allowing), so there'll be some rose experts on that thread. What are knockout roses?

Posted by: Y-not at March 01, 2014 06:45 AM (zDsvJ)

56 I wouldn't worry too much. They are probably using a good 75% of their resources trying to find a map that shows the location of Peruvia. And another 10% trying to figure out where we go to get the others.

And the balance to finding Valu-Rite.

Posted by: Retread at March 01, 2014 06:45 AM (cHwk5)

57 20 The Black Panthers blamed COINTELPRO's dirty tricks campaign for setting the East Coast and West Coast factions of the BPs against each other -- they murdered each other in gruesome ways and it was the government's fault. The tactics of JTRIG look very similar to COINTELPRO. Posted by: Rosemarie at March 01, 2014 10:34 AM (0fKEr) For some reason, I have absolutely no problem with that.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at March 01, 2014 06:46 AM (gDVTg)

58 36 You bunch of fucking pussies. We went to war over taxes. Posted by: Geo. Washington at March 01, 2014 10:41 AM (OdRwg) Has someone been on WRSA recently

Posted by: RWC at March 01, 2014 06:46 AM (MtC8f)

59 I wish these hacks would learn the difference between blog and blog post.

Posted by: Lady Billingsgate at March 01, 2014 06:46 AM (9vclA)

60 No snowden doesn't have anything to do with this. Anybody can look at Obama and see a complete fucking pussy. Face it. If you were in a bar fight with him, would you be scared?

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at March 01, 2014 06:46 AM (OdRwg)

61 Analogy help, please:

The ship is listing to port with smoke billowing from every orifice.

At what angle is the list?

Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 01, 2014 06:46 AM (RubvK)

62 I'm pretty sure Putin didn't need Snowden to know that 1) Obama wouldn't oppose him in the Ukraine and 2) even if bloodthirsty Syrian Christian hater McCain were in office, the US is too broke to stop him.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at March 01, 2014 06:46 AM (qad38)

63 I have no problem punishing Snowden. But I still think that there was utility for us (in terms of exposing domestic abuses of our spy network) in what he did.

Posted by: Y-not at March 01, 2014 06:47 AM (zDsvJ)

64 i do not know that we can ascertain Snoden full motivation. His run to Russia certainly puts everything in a bad light. But how many whistleblowers are being prosecuted in this administration? It seem there has been a great surge in govt agencies being used against citizens that think differently than this administration . In that light i cannot blame snowden for running. But i do have issues that he found comfort in Russia. and doubt there are no strings attached.

Posted by: willow at March 01, 2014 06:48 AM (nqBYe)

65 >>>Has someone been on WRSA recently Just leaving my NSA footprint wherever I can

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at March 01, 2014 06:48 AM (OdRwg)

66 so ... Russia Parliament just approved the Ukraine invasion force. I don't speak Russian, but I think Putin then said something about Obama while making a wanking motion.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 01, 2014 06:48 AM (ZPrif)

67 Great idea. Nobody will ever come forward again to tell us when the government is doing illegal and tyrannical things. Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at March 01, 2014 10:45 AM (qad3

He is s fuckin traitor and ran right to the chicoms and the ruskies. A bullet is to good for him

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 01, 2014 06:48 AM (t3UFN)

68 45 NeverGiveUp, And I would have agreed back when I thought we had a moral government empowered by the will of the majority of the electorate. That ship's sailed. Putin is not my enemy he is a wild bear down the road a ways. The partisan civil service is my enemy. Sorry.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 01, 2014 06:48 AM (TE35l)

69 >>>The solution to snowden and greenwald is 2 bullets and I am dead serious You mad, bro?

Posted by: Bigby's Waving Hands at March 01, 2014 06:49 AM (KgN8K)

70 Yeah, Putin already knew he was a pussy, but I'm sure seeing a strategy of pre-emptive surrender in black and white didn't hurt his resolve.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 01, 2014 06:49 AM (ZshNr)

71 The ship is listing to port with smoke billowing from every orifice.

Gaylord Focker is smoking in the Rose Garden again? Where is Reggie?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 01, 2014 06:49 AM (MOXtS)

72 Posted by: Y-not at March 01, 2014 10:47 AM (zDsvJ)

What? A nuanced view of the situation?

What kind of a lunatic are you?

I agree. Snowden did us a tremendous service, and at his sentencing the judge should thank him for his service to the cause of freedom while sentencing him to a very long prison stay (or death if he gave the Russians the data with the intent to damage this country).

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 01, 2014 06:50 AM (QFxY5)

73 The Soviet Union won the Gold Medal in Crimean Curling.

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 01, 2014 06:51 AM (6bMeY)

74 And the Kraut is shocked that Obama's statement was so weak. Yeah, this is my shocked face.

Posted by: Adam at March 01, 2014 06:51 AM (Aif/5)

75 If you were in a bar fight with him, would you be scared?

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at March 01, 2014 10:46 AM (OdRwg)

I don't go to those kind of bars.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 01, 2014 06:51 AM (QFxY5)

76 Man-caused disasters.

Lead from behind.

Spending reductions in the tax code.

Uncontested arrival.

Things are going great.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 01, 2014 06:51 AM (RubvK)

77 Port == Left hand side of a ship

Posted by: Bigby's Waving Hands at March 01, 2014 06:51 AM (KgN8K)

78 69 Bigby's Waving hands, To be fair a lot of us cold war babies are. I was, but Putin has a ways to go to get to me, Obama and friends are here.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 01, 2014 06:52 AM (TE35l)

79 Yeah where are the Dems on this shit? They raised Hell because the Patriot Act allowed them to check your library records.

Now the SOBs are crawling in your computer looking at you take a shower, monitoring your calls, and sicking the IRS on you. All w/o a warrant.

And not one damn peep out of those "D" bastards on the other side of the aisle. As I said in the middle of my rage stroke this morning. I hope every damn Democrat President burns in Hell. And I am beginning to believe about 3/4 of their enablers need to be there with them.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at March 01, 2014 06:52 AM (T2V/1)

80 bye bye Ukraine. bet Poland is getting nervous as hell as is Taiwan and Japan. depressing.

Posted by: willow at March 01, 2014 06:52 AM (nqBYe)

81 He is s fuckin traitor and ran right to the chicoms and the ruskies. A bullet is to good for him What makes the chicoms and the ruskies worse than the rogue's gallery of thugs and gangsters who rule over us? I am dead serious.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at March 01, 2014 06:52 AM (qad38)

82 Starboard is the other left side of a ship.

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 01, 2014 06:52 AM (6bMeY)

83 I'll note that this is almost exactly the sort of social media manipulation that David Axelrod was famous for. Fucker bragged about it, and the MFM lauded him as a visionary and innovative political operative because of it.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 01, 2014 06:53 AM (aYjRw)

84 anyhoo we can see how everyone in Power are protecting dissenters of opinions.. yeah.

Posted by: willow at March 01, 2014 06:53 AM (nqBYe)

85 Japan, Korea, and Taiwan should all get nukes.

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 01, 2014 06:54 AM (6bMeY)

86 >>>I don'tgo to those kind of bars. Golf clap

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at March 01, 2014 06:54 AM (OdRwg)

87 I think Boss Moss is going overboard on the nautical terminology. Next he will want to stroll the Poop deck.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 01, 2014 06:54 AM (MOXtS)

88 72 Charlie Brown's Dildo, CBD, the predicate for Snowdrn "doing great damage" to America would be Obama not also seeking to do so. Snowden just sped up the timetable a bit.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 01, 2014 06:54 AM (TE35l)

89 >>Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 01, 2014 10:50 AM If it helps, I denounce myself. Remind me, CBD, when does the food thread go up? Is it tomorrow?

Posted by: Y-not at March 01, 2014 06:55 AM (zDsvJ)

90 What makes the chicoms and the ruskies worse than the rogue's gallery of thugs and gangsters who rule over us? I am dead serious. Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at March 01, 2014 10:52 AM (qad3

A) he signed a secrecy oath and some of us take that seriously B) he ran right to our enemies I hate obama and his filth worst than anyone, but this has nothing to do with that. snowden broke the faith and the law and I'd strangle him with my own hands if I could

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 01, 2014 06:55 AM (t3UFN)

91 xbradtc has a post up about intelligence failures wrt Crimea. http://xbradtc.com/2014/03/01/crimea-and-another-stunning-us-intelligence-failure/

Posted by: Y-not at March 01, 2014 06:56 AM (zDsvJ)

92 >>>Next he will want to stroll the Poop deck. I was told there would be no sodomy

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at March 01, 2014 06:56 AM (OdRwg)

93 Manning and Snowden are both in the same Traitor Teacup.

Just one was smart enough and cowardly enough to run out of the reach of US law enforcement.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 01, 2014 06:56 AM (MOXtS)

94 >>I was told there would be no sodomy Oh, there'll be sodomy. Then CAKE! ;-)

Posted by: Y-not at March 01, 2014 06:57 AM (zDsvJ)

95 What are knockout roses?
Roses that sneak up on lilies and hit them hard enough to knock them out.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at March 01, 2014 06:57 AM (hn5v5)

96 Nevergiveup, I hear what you are saying.. still, where would Snowden have gone to release this information without ending up a politcal opponent with all the force of IT used against Him?of this administration? We are not afforded the same legal avenues as before whistleblowers are going to jail now.

Posted by: willow at March 01, 2014 06:57 AM (nqBYe)

97 Manning and Snowden are both in the same Traitor Teacup. Just one was smart enough and cowardly enough to run out of the reach of US law enforcement. Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 01, 2014 10:56 AM (MOXtS) thank you

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 01, 2014 06:57 AM (t3UFN)

98 WRT Snowden: My estimation of the US and its Constitution is that it is a boon to Humanity at large. The old "shining city on a hill" idea that Reagan espoused. If we fall, then humanity suffers. Snowden ripped away the final lie. We have fallen. The betrayal goes further than just we citizens. Did he do harm to us? Don't give a shit. They deserve far worse than mere exposure, the entire edifice should be torn away as painfully as possible.

Posted by: Bigby's Waving Hands at March 01, 2014 06:57 AM (KgN8K)

99 The only way I remember port and starboard goes back to when I was a kid and wold get annoyed that I'd get it wrong. Then I heard a RedSox announcer call a Left Handed pitcher a "Port-sider" and it has stuck in my mind ever since. Can't think of port or starboard without picturing Bill "Spaceman" Lee.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 01, 2014 06:58 AM (ZshNr)

100 >>BTW, for the gardening horde, per your requests I'm going to put the thread up in the late afternoon (Eastern time), assuming I can find a slot. Posted by: Y-not at March 01, 2014 10:29 AM (zDsvJ) Â…..not a gardener, but if you promise more sexy talk, count me in.

Posted by: ontherocks at March 01, 2014 06:58 AM (OCyhG)

101 Posted by: Y-not at March 01, 2014 10:55 AM (zDsvJ)

Hopefully tomorrow around 4:00pm Eastern.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 01, 2014 06:58 AM (QFxY5)

102 'We have met the enemy, and he is us.'
Pogo
I am definitely certain he meant the Washington City government when he said 'us'. Definitely.

Posted by: Erowmero at March 01, 2014 06:58 AM (OONaw)

103 >>>A) he signed a secrecyoath and some of us take that seriously B) he ran right to our enemies A-He took an oath B-He is our enemy But enough about the president

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at March 01, 2014 06:58 AM (OdRwg)

104 Nevergiveup, I hear what you are saying.. still, where would Snowden have gone to release this information without ending up a politcal opponent with all the force of IT used against Him?of this administration? We are not afforded the same legal avenues as before whistleblowers are going to jail now. Posted by: willow at March 01, 2014 10:57 AM (nqBYe) If he believe in his cause he would have stayed and fought for what he believes in. Some of us do that

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 01, 2014 06:59 AM (t3UFN)

105 Russian authoritarians behaving like Russian authoritarians.

Wait for it.

...
...
...

Unexpectedly.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 01, 2014 06:59 AM (RubvK)

106 xbradtc has a post up about intelligence failures wrt Crimea. http://xbradtc.com/2014/03/01/crimea-and-another-stunning-us-intelligence-failure/ ------------- Top. Fucking. Men.

Posted by: Adam at March 01, 2014 06:59 AM (Aif/5)

107 90 NeverGiveUp, You're wrong it has EVERYTHING to do with that. Snowden is an Obama backer so horrified by the hypocrisy he ran like hell. Killing him doesn't fix the out of control, rabid, schizoid and foaming within but chartered only to foam without surveillance state. I backed the cold war intel biz to the hilt. I'd petsonally consign this suite of assholes to jail. The unified America is dead champ.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 01, 2014 06:59 AM (TE35l)

108 A-He took an oath B-He is our enemy But enough about the president Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at March 01, 2014 10:58 AM (OdRwg) Thanks. I needed a laugh

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 01, 2014 06:59 AM (t3UFN)

109 It's the Soviet Union again.

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 01, 2014 06:59 AM (6bMeY)

110 yo looks like Russia's parliament gave Pootie Poot permission to use the military in Crimea guess Obama's threat of a sternly worded letter didn't impress them

Posted by: navycopjoe at March 01, 2014 06:59 AM (At8tV)

111 A) he signed a secrecy oath and some of us take that seriously An oath to secrecy means dick if it supports tyranny. Nuremberg established that 'just followink orderz' is not a valid excuse. The highest oath of all is to the Constitution. He did is a service. I hate obama and his filth worst than anyone, but this has nothing to do with that. It has everything to do with it. Obama is flagrantly in violation of the Constitution. There is no law but his decree.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at March 01, 2014 07:00 AM (eiJIn)

112 B) he ran right to our enemies A-He took an oath B-He is our enemy But enough about the president Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at March 01, 2014 10:58 AM (OdRwg) and His govt political arms, with a very long reach.

Posted by: willow at March 01, 2014 07:00 AM (nqBYe)

113 Snowden is a traitor.

The NSA is engaged in massive unconstitutional overreach.

These are not mutually exclusive statements, folks.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 01, 2014 07:00 AM (RubvK)

114 I approve of this Obama fellow and his skillful diplomatic manuvering

Posted by: Neaville Chamberlain at March 01, 2014 07:01 AM (VrVBw)

115 So Putin is a Zombie Master since the USSR is rising from the grave?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 01, 2014 07:01 AM (MOXtS)

116 110 yo
looks like Russia's parliament gave Pootie Poot permission to use the military in Crimea

guess Obama's threat of a sternly worded letter didn't impress them

Posted by: navycopjoe at March 01, 2014 10:59 AM (At8tV)

You didn't really expect them not to did you.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at March 01, 2014 07:01 AM (T2V/1)

117 If we're not going to kill Robert Hansen, then we're not going to kill Edward Snowden

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at March 01, 2014 07:01 AM (OdRwg)

118 Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at March 01, 2014 11:00 AM (eiJIn) Oh please, when you start pulling the Nazi comparisons I stopped taking you seriously. Go talk to Tony Kornheiser

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 01, 2014 07:01 AM (t3UFN)

119 as i remember it Obama called us his enemies at a function back in the day. I guess he means it. funny that we are not fellow citizens but Enemies, He has stronger words for us than actual enemies.

Posted by: willow at March 01, 2014 07:02 AM (nqBYe)

120 I don't trust our government. I'll take my chances with less intelligence. Â…..come to think of it, I am.

Posted by: ontherocks at March 01, 2014 07:02 AM (OCyhG)

121 But enough about the president.
[rimshot!]

Posted by: the drummer at March 01, 2014 07:02 AM (hn5v5)

122 113 Snowden is a traitor. i'm 70/30 sure on the traitor thing i'm 100% sure he is an idiot for tossing away a life with a hot stripper girlfriend and a 6 figure income

Posted by: navycopjoe at March 01, 2014 07:02 AM (At8tV)

123 Hansen was FBI who shopped Russians who were working for the US. Anyone remember Ames? The CIA bloke who shopped Russian agents.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 01, 2014 07:02 AM (MOXtS)

124 113 Circa, Snowden is a distraction. Lill him as you will, it dpesn't change the unethical, illegal nature of the Octopus.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 01, 2014 07:03 AM (TE35l)

125 Did anyone hear anything about Sheriff Joe Arpio's cold case posse supposedly having some huge (earth shattering, they call it) news on dear leader they are planning on releasing this month? From what I've read, it supposedly makes the whole birth certificate issue mute. I don't know if it's hype or really something.

Posted by: Havedash at March 01, 2014 07:04 AM (G1XMn)

126 Oh please, when you start pulling the Nazi comparisons I stopped taking you seriously. Go talk to Tony Kornheiser Okay, fine. Support an oath that says you won't tell anybody the government is violating the bill of rights. Scream Goodwin instead.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at March 01, 2014 07:04 AM (eiJIn)

127 I am just as shocked as everyone else to discover that nation states look out for their interests.

All that neoliberal crap? Crap.

And Francis Fukuyama needs to put his head in a blender and hit puree.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 01, 2014 07:04 AM (RubvK)

128 navycopjoe, flexibility is the word of the day i guess. or A line little line here , another line there, all the line's everywhere.

Posted by: willow at March 01, 2014 07:04 AM (nqBYe)

129 94 >>I was told there would be no sodomy Oh, there'll be sodomy. Then CAKE! ;-) Posted by: Y-not at March 01, 2014 10:57 AM (zDsvJ) There is no cake. The cake is a lie.

Posted by: RWC at March 01, 2014 07:04 AM (MtC8f)

130 So is Showden schtupping that hot ginger Russian spy? You know Anna Chapman?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 01, 2014 07:04 AM (MOXtS)

131 But enough about the president Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at March 01, 2014 10:58 AM -- Basically, yeah. Look, I am a really old-fashioned Law & Order, National Security Republican. I find many of the trends in the GOP that imho are coming from the Libertarian wing extremely irritating. Snowden may be a traitor. I. Don't. Care. Shoot him or try him or incarcerate him. I still find value in what he did. As someone said, the mask has been torn off about just how counter to American interests this Administration (and its enablers) are running.

Posted by: Y-not at March 01, 2014 07:04 AM (zDsvJ)

132 So is Showden schtupping that hot ginger Russian spy? You know Anna Chapman? Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 01, 2014 11:04 AM (MOXtS) She has better taste than that. I bet it's better than 50-50 that Putin nailed her.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 01, 2014 07:05 AM (t3UFN)

133 Anyone who values China's "Freedom of Speech" doesn't know the difference between freedom and a chicken foot.

Posted by: Cat-Snatch-Beavaar at March 01, 2014 07:05 AM (0kZ19)

134 119 Willow, Yup, we are Ogabe's "hated other" he can't get worked up aboutoutside threats just interior ones. Break-up is academic at this point the left broke up the nation in either '68 or 2000 but it's done.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 01, 2014 07:06 AM (TE35l)

135 115 So Putin is a Zombie Master since the USSR is rising from the grave? never was in a grave just kicking back licking its wounds a reminder but I actually ate lunch with Pootie Poot in 2003 he was a VIP on base and invited us to lunch I asked him straight out if Russia will ever be a superpower again he laughed and asked when did it stop being one

Posted by: navycopjoe at March 01, 2014 07:06 AM (At8tV)

136 Okay, I think I'm officially declaring the roof done. The guys are packing up and I think pulling out of the driveway. A few odds and ends are left undone, supposedly part of the process is the foreman coming by and checking on things after the work crew has left, so I'll wait to see if he shows rather than bring it up with these guys who are obviously the hammer and nail crew, not the decide what to do crew.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 01, 2014 07:06 AM (ZshNr)

137 Nevergiveup. Putin tapped it before she went to work here in the US as an illegal.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 01, 2014 07:06 AM (MOXtS)

138 A-He took an oath B-He is our enemy But enough about the president Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at March 01, 2014 10:58 AM (OdRwg) Take your ticket to the window and claim your prize.

Posted by: RWC at March 01, 2014 07:06 AM (MtC8f)

139 Ignorant snowbilly 1

Dipshit elites 0

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 01, 2014 07:07 AM (RubvK)

140 A few odds and ends are left undone, supposedly part of the process is the foreman coming by and checking on things after the work crew has left --- Make sure they do a really thorough job cleaning up, with magnets to find the roofing tacks.

Posted by: Y-not at March 01, 2014 07:08 AM (zDsvJ)

141 Havedash, They could release a picture of Obama on his knees in front of Putin while simultaneously worshipping Satan, and they fucker's approval rating would still be 40%.

Posted by: Lauren at March 01, 2014 07:08 AM (hFL/3)

142 I would comment like I did on one of yesterday's Ukraine threads but I'm too busy building my end-of-history bomb shelter.

Posted by: francis f-u-kuyama at March 01, 2014 07:08 AM (hn5v5)

143 I wonder how much of Ukraine Putin will seize.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 01, 2014 07:08 AM (ZPrif)

144 128 little line here , another line there, all the line's everywhere only line Obama knows is coke lines apparently Obama: I dare you Russians to use your military Pootie Poot: Bitch please

Posted by: navycopjoe at March 01, 2014 07:08 AM (At8tV)

145 Well guess I should do some writing. Then yard work. And rummage in my emails for an invite. Got a writer friend at CPAC, my cup will runneth over I guess.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 01, 2014 07:09 AM (MOXtS)

146

guess Obama's threat of a sternly worded letter didn't impress them

Posted by: navycopjoe at March 01, 2014 10:59 AM (At8tV)

He threatened to not attend their party this summer

Posted by: Cat-Snatch-Beavaar at March 01, 2014 07:09 AM (0kZ19)

147 126 Bevel L, God love 'em....the only justification for Federal Power is the protection of our Bill of Rights...which the Octopus is eating...but don't tell on the octopus...'cause "oath".... I want the whole thing torn down...

Posted by: sven10077 at March 01, 2014 07:09 AM (TE35l)

148 Obama has done far more damage to US national security than Snowden ever could.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at March 01, 2014 07:09 AM (P/gm7)

149 >>only line Obama knows is coke lines apparently Is it a sin that I pray each night he gets a bad batch of Ace of Spades?

Posted by: Y-not at March 01, 2014 07:10 AM (zDsvJ)

150 well i hope the Dem cocktail party was a mad success . Hope they aren't all bleary eyed this morning . oh nevermind i guess it doesn't matter.

Posted by: willow at March 01, 2014 07:10 AM (nqBYe)

151 Y-not, I await the time Michelle whacks him one time too many with one of her massive handbags. Like on the stairs of Air Force One.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 01, 2014 07:11 AM (MOXtS)

152 149 Is it a sin that I pray each night he gets a bad batch of Ace of Spades I'm hoping on the sickle cell myself

Posted by: navycopjoe at March 01, 2014 07:11 AM (At8tV)

153 Does he have sickle cell disease, ncj? Or are his red blood cells just sickle-shaped because he's a commie?

Posted by: Y-not at March 01, 2014 07:12 AM (zDsvJ)

154 Parliament voted unanimously on the request and also recommended that Moscow's ambassador be recalled from Washington over earlier comments made by President Obama. The Russian Parliament must be hearing things because all I heard obama say was: " Go ahead, do whatever you want. Hey I'm late for a fundraiser and party time with fellow travelers"

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 01, 2014 07:12 AM (t3UFN)

155 Is it a sin that I pray each night he gets a bad batch of Ace of Spades?
Ewok rabies?

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at March 01, 2014 07:12 AM (hn5v5)

156 112 B) he ran right to our enemies A-He took an oath B-He is our enemy But enough about the president Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at March 01, 2014 10:58 AM (OdRwg) and His govt political arms, with a very long reach. Posted by: willow at March 01, 2014 11:00 AM (nqBYe) Revisionist Octopussy mutant Octapussy Yuck! http://tinyurl.com/omhxb4u

Posted by: panzernashorn at March 01, 2014 07:12 AM (MhA4j)

157 Thank God for the sickle cell.

Posted by: Animal Mother at March 01, 2014 07:12 AM (6bMeY)

158 Has someone been on WRSA recently Today's lite 96.9. The best variety of the 80's, 90's and today! I preferred Beautiful 97.

Posted by: Fox2! at March 01, 2014 07:13 AM (cHwSy)

159 Port == Left hand side of a ship Posted by: Bigby's Waving Hands at March 01, 2014 10:51 AM (KgN8K) Is that my port or your port?

Posted by: jwpaine @PirateBallerina at March 01, 2014 07:14 AM (2oU2+)

160 There is no cake. The cake is a lie. Posted by: RWC at March 01, 2014 11:04 AM (MtC8f) ***** But the sodomy ration has been adjusted accordingly to make up for the deficiency in cake.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at March 01, 2014 07:14 AM (g4TxM)

161 136 Posted by: Lincolntf at March 01, 2014 11:06 AM (ZshNr)

Did they walk around with the magnet on wheels and get roughly half the nails?

Better do a walk down, fore, aft, and amidships to get all the nails before you drive your lawn mower on it.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at March 01, 2014 07:14 AM (T2V/1)

162 Drudge: Russian Parliament demands recall of ambassador to USA.

Well, if the Russkie clerks start burning code books and one-time pads in the back yard, we'll know they're serious.

Posted by: mrp at March 01, 2014 07:14 AM (JBggj)

163 153 i'm betting on the guy is healthy as all hell just a shitload of bruises from when Mooche hits hit

Posted by: navycopjoe at March 01, 2014 07:14 AM (At8tV)

164 hahaha.. so another tactic they are using is to Leak Confidential information to companies and the press. Post negative information on Forums Stop deals ruin business relationships. alrighty than

Posted by: willow at March 01, 2014 07:15 AM (nqBYe)

165 The great sin of the GOP, and a sin I was complicit in for 25 years was in the Republicans' refusal to understand the Democrat response to 9/11 was to engage in a wartime psychology on ethics aimed at their domestic enemy. We chose by willfully pretending things wete normal in empowering the nearest thing America has had to a dictator since FDR.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 01, 2014 07:15 AM (TE35l)

166 Mmm. Sodomy ration.

Posted by: waylon smithers at March 01, 2014 07:15 AM (hn5v5)

167 >>Is that my port or your port? Directionals on a ship are always facing forward, everyone knows that. The only one that are relative are forward and aft, relative to the position of the speaker but still bow to stern.

Posted by: Bigby's Waving Hands at March 01, 2014 07:16 AM (KgN8K)

168 Barack Obama is the Spike Lee of foreign policy. I'm totes sure Putin is quaking in his jackboots.

Posted by: Fritz at March 01, 2014 07:16 AM (PnMCP)

169 LOL< Y-Not beat me at 140. But Y-Not, those whirly-gig magnet thingies never get all the nails. I am still finding nails from my last roof job 2 years ago.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at March 01, 2014 07:16 AM (T2V/1)

170 OT, but never forget. 72 years ago during the Battle of Sunda Strait (28 Feb-1 Mar 1942) the heavy cruiser USS Houston and the light cruiser HMAS Perth were sunk by the Japanese. Approx. 1750 men manned the two ships. About 700 survived the sinkings and became POWs. About 200 would die before the war ended. In addtion to the Houston and Perth being sunk on 1 March so was the USS Pope, Edsall, Pecos, HMS Exeter, Encounter, and HNMS Evertsen in the waters around Java. Before the end of the day the U.S. Asiatic Fleet/ABDA Float ceased to exist. The few surviving ships were ordered to Australia (USS Pillsbury, Asheville, HMAS Yarra, HMS Stronghold were sunk enroute) and would become part of the new US 7th Fleet (MacArthur's future navy). During the first 3 months of the war the men fought against overwhelming odds in old, undergunned, underarmoured ships without air cover. Many heroic actions, some known, most unknown were performed by those sailors. There's no flowers on a sailors grave No lilies on an ocean wave The only tribute is the seagulls sweep And the tear drop on a loved ones cheek Anonymous

Posted by: ExSnipe at March 01, 2014 07:17 AM (LKJt3)

171 >>those whirly-gig magnet thingies never get all the nails That's what bare feet and doggies are for, Vic!

Posted by: Y-not at March 01, 2014 07:17 AM (zDsvJ)

172 171 That's what bare feet and doggies are for, Vic!

Posted by: Y-not at March 01, 2014 11:17 AM (zDsvJ)

Oh, it's Cruella DeVille!

Posted by: Vic[/i] at March 01, 2014 07:18 AM (T2V/1)

173 a reminder but I actually ate lunch with Pootie Poot in 2003 he was a VIP on base and invited us to lunch *** Well la-di-dah! I saw Dr. Ruth in a restaurant in San Diego once. I didn't ask her anything 'cause she scared me.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at March 01, 2014 07:18 AM (g4TxM)

174 have to admit again, i am angry as all get out. but i am more heartbroken.

Posted by: willow at March 01, 2014 07:18 AM (nqBYe)

175 Has the POTUS ever put fundraising off? (Let's ignore the question of why the hell a 2nd-term president needs to be involved in fundraising in the first place for now.)

Benghazi, Russia invading the Crimea... these are just minor speed-bumps on the way to the next Democrat pep rally or cocktail party.

Posted by: bleep bloop at March 01, 2014 07:18 AM (QWEYJ)

176 Hey, I got all you beat, I was in a bar with Sky King. Too bad Penny wasn't there. (And I was single then)

Posted by: Vic[/i] at March 01, 2014 07:19 AM (T2V/1)

177 Yo, bitches! Here's the magnet you need, dude...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzCXowhks80

Posted by: jesse pinkman, entrepreneur at March 01, 2014 07:19 AM (hn5v5)

178 >>> reminder but I actually ate lunch with Pootie Poot in 2003 Ed Koch grabbed my ass and asked me how he was doing

Posted by: Bigby's Waving Hands at March 01, 2014 07:20 AM (KgN8K)

179 What are knockout roses? Posted by: Y-not at March 01, 2014 10:45 AM (zDsvJ) A variety that does very well with little care....check out "earth kind roses".

Posted by: BignJames at March 01, 2014 07:20 AM (j7iSn)

180 I just finished going through the morning thread and all of Vic's links. I try to limit my political posts on Facebook to one a day and I try to keep my comments reasoned and good-humored, but today's post was a link to the WSJ article about the continued IRS targeting of conservative groups with the comment that the Obama admin has gone full-fascism. I know that will sound extreme to most FBers who read it, but that's the only way to describe what's happening, and it's so sad that so many people don't want to acknowledge that. I've always wondered what it was like living in an era preceding a great political upheaval. Couldn't the people see what was happening? Why didn't the try to stop it? Well, we're living it and we're trying to stop it, but there are so many more people who either don't care because they agree with the ideology, are looking for what they can get out of it, or are just too overwhelmed with daily life to take a stand. Sad days in America.

Posted by: biancaneve at March 01, 2014 07:20 AM (2sR50)

181 174 willow, My heart rate is fine now. I am beyond anger. Resignation may keep me alive.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 01, 2014 07:20 AM (TE35l)

182 Husband and I are watching Ghostbusters, which came out the year we were married. Holds up incredibly well. The 80s styles are a gas, though.

Posted by: Y-not at March 01, 2014 07:21 AM (zDsvJ)

183 I listened to Sadat's widow start to give a speech before I fell asleep and my snoring drowned her out.

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 01, 2014 07:21 AM (6bMeY)

184 Putin has nothing to fear from us. He knows we are going through the Socialism Pass-Fail stage and won't be able to do shit until Socialism is purged from our country. He could take Alaska and the Democrats would do nothing.

Posted by: eman at March 01, 2014 07:22 AM (AO9UG)

185 Why it's almost as if the Russians are a geopolitcal foe or something. Who could have seen that coming?

Posted by: Mitt Romney, Sarah Palin, et al at March 01, 2014 07:22 AM (Aif/5)

186 A variety that does very well with little care....check out "earth kind roses". --- So I wonder if those are "shrub roses." If so, one year I cut mine back at the start of winter, but this year I'm doing it in the spring. I gather it doesn't really matter for those roses. But I was reading that if you wait until spring you can more readily identify which canes are dead.

Posted by: Y-not at March 01, 2014 07:23 AM (zDsvJ)

187 185 Mitt Romney, Sarah Palin, et al at March 01, 2014 11:22 AM (Aif/5)

The tragedy is post 9/11 it did not have to be this way.

We handled the implosion of the Soviets poorly.

Tragedy but there it is.

Posted by: Sven 10077 at March 01, 2014 07:24 AM (TE35l)

188 It is not an invasion of the Crimea.

It's a big tourism putsch, er, push.

Posted by: huerfano at March 01, 2014 07:24 AM (bAGA/)

189 ya know what Senate and House Republicans response to this weak kneed Foreign Policy and gutting of our Military will be: Comprehensive Immigration Reform!!!!!!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 01, 2014 07:25 AM (t3UFN)

190 For those who are feeling discouraged, try this: Psalms 27 1 The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid? 2 When the wicked, even mine enemies and my foes, came upon me to eat up my flesh, they stumbled and fell. 3 Though an host should encamp against me, my heart shall not fear: though war should rise against me, in this will I be confident.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at March 01, 2014 07:25 AM (g4TxM)

191 stompy stomp

Posted by: Vic[/i] at March 01, 2014 07:25 AM (T2V/1)

192 Wait till England finds out the Russians invaded the Crimea.

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 01, 2014 07:25 AM (6bMeY)

193 So I wonder if those are "shrub roses." Posted by: Y-not at March 01, 2014 11:23 AM (zDsvJ) Yep

Posted by: BignJames at March 01, 2014 07:26 AM (j7iSn)

194 Half the people that I work with think that the Ukraine is an equipment rental company.

Posted by: ontherocks at March 01, 2014 07:26 AM (OCyhG)

195 189 NeverGiveUp, You betcha...and that is why it probably loks like I am giving Snowden a pass... How can he damage America more than Obama and Reid?

Posted by: sven10077 at March 01, 2014 07:26 AM (TE35l)

196 Здравствуйте! When I see the words Gleen Gleenwood, my mind turns off. Seriously, I'm less concerned with the NSA and more concerned with the EPA which continues to regulate us into third world status. До свидания!

Posted by: Judge Pug at March 01, 2014 07:26 AM (6Nj7A)

197 Â“We therefore commit his body to the deep, looking for the general Resurrection in the last day, and the life of the world to come, through our Lord Jesus Christ; at whose second coming in glorious majesty to judge the world, the sea shall give up her dead; and the corruptible bodies of those who sleep in him shall be changed, and made like unto his glorious body; according to the mighty working whereby he is able to subdue all things unto himself.Â”

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at March 01, 2014 07:27 AM (hn5v5)

198 >>He could take Alaska and the Democrats would do nothing. worldwide free for all in 2017ish after the next Dem is made POTUS [becoz GOP = fail]

Posted by: Bigby's Waving Hands at March 01, 2014 07:27 AM (KgN8K)

199 Obama and Putin walk into a bar. Putin uses Obama as a swizzle stick.

Posted by: WalrusRex at March 01, 2014 07:27 AM (E+uky)

200 What Ukraine? But hey, the important question is whether Hollywood is starting to lean right?

Posted by: Fox News at March 01, 2014 07:28 AM (Aif/5)

201 Obama and Putin walk into a bar. Putin uses Obama as a swizzle stick. Posted by: WalrusRex at March 01, 2014 11:27 AM (E+uky) obama is more like the "piss boy" Oh piss boy over here

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 01, 2014 07:28 AM (t3UFN)

202 >>Is that my port or your port? Directionals on a ship are always facing forward, everyone knows that. The only one that are relative are forward and aft, relative to the position of the speaker but still bow to stern. Posted by: Bigby's Waving Hands at March 01, 2014 11:16 AM (KgN8K) So... does that mean abaft the mizzenmast would be in, like, the ship's trunk? Or just the back seat? Maybe that little shelf behind the back seat? Or is that the poop deck....

Posted by: pajama boy's flapping trapdoor at March 01, 2014 07:28 AM (2oU2+)

203 196 Judge Pug, I was getting a scrotal ultrasound yesterday and made the tech laugh with my EPA retard strong genius on shale.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 01, 2014 07:29 AM (TE35l)

204 Yes, Putin seizes Alaska, Obammy hides under his desk, General Palin leads the resistance...it could happen.

Posted by: Judge Pug at March 01, 2014 07:29 AM (6Nj7A)

205 Obama and Putin walk into a bar and the bartender says, "Get the fuck out of my bar, you Communist asshole! Hello, Mr Putin. Your usual table?"

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at March 01, 2014 07:29 AM (hn5v5)

206 Nood thread by xbradtc on the Crimea intelligence failures.

Posted by: Y-not at March 01, 2014 07:30 AM (zDsvJ)

207 He could take Alaska and the Democrats would do nothing. - And the FSA still vote for them on the promise of a minimum wage hike.

Posted by: WalrusRex at March 01, 2014 07:30 AM (E+uky)

208 205 AndyCanuck, You win the internet sir

Posted by: sven10077 at March 01, 2014 07:31 AM (TE35l)

209 >>I was getting a scrotal ultrasound yesterday and made the tech laugh with my EPA retard strong genius on shale. Posted by: sven10077 at March 01, 2014 11:29 AM (TE35l) Â…..pretty sure that the NSA just dispatched a team after that remark. you may want to relocate.

Posted by: ontherocks at March 01, 2014 07:31 AM (OCyhG)

210 I blame Boooooooooooooooooosh.

Posted by: FSA foot soldier at March 01, 2014 07:32 AM (QgwWv)

211 >>>>He could take Alaska and the Democrats would do nothing.<<<<

Given recent history I am firmly convinced that if we should tangle with the Russians over Ukraine or Alaska or anything else the Dems will promptly elect someone named Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov president and he will give the Ruskies whatever they want.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at March 01, 2014 07:32 AM (P/gm7)

212 Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at March 01, 2014 11:25 AM (g4TxM) Nice psalm, Seamus. Thanks. The ending of Psalm 27 is very good too: Place your hope in the Lord. Be strong and courageous in your heart and place your hope in the Lord. Keep on praying!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 01, 2014 07:33 AM (XyM/Y)

213 @190 & 197 Thanks, Seamus and Andy, for your words of support and reassurance. Faith is the only thing that gets me through when I get discouraged about the political situation. I really think things will get worse, but I remember that God has a plan and specifically a plan for me, and that if I am prepared spiritually, I need not fear.

Posted by: biancaneve at March 01, 2014 07:35 AM (2sR50)

214 154. Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 01, 2014 11:12 AM (t3UFN) Happy Hour 2014! Putin's "favor" to crucial timing. March 4: US BALLOT Who bothers to vote compared to who bothers to see through propaganda into the realization of our cohesive constitutional agenda? What of the American backlash against the corrupt bipartisan establishment HERE AT HOME? How can a corrupt America provide any other nation incorruption via military and economic "intervention" aka utter destruction? Our own leaders refuse to follow their own injunctions and laws that they impose on the rest of us around the world. Clean our own home first. Everyone wants self determination. How can we give to another that which we ourselves lack? Even redistribution couldn't magically transfer what isn't there. No matter how firm economic politicians are in their faith in Keynesian "Debt is Gold." That alchemy malfunctions every time. So the Ukraine and Crimean populations think they want to go down with the EU ship because they'll fair better without any fuel than they could possibly cultivate and develop economically with their given circumstance shared relations with Russia. And we as Americans are supposed to "fix" their problems since we can't fix our own. Great. Our "exceptionalism" is no longer based upon Liberty, Justice and the Supreme Law of the Constitutional Republic. Rather, upon corrupt follies. All Is Vanity: In Vanity We Trust. Self determination. No one "gives" it to you. There's nothing "free" about liberty; just a lot of self control and dedicated responsibilities. The onus is on the individual. You ask for a government to "save" you and all you're asking is to be another government's slave/bitch. Realize that "fixers" are not even as smart as the people who recognize that a problem exists. What empowers the usurpers? The lack of self respect in Americans to retain Individualism above all, that being the mark of Liberty. Trusting government is to trust in tyranny. (paraphrasing Grover Cleveland)

Posted by: panzernashorn at March 01, 2014 07:36 AM (MhA4j)

215 Ex-Snipe @ 170-
There was a Gunny Sgt. (yeah, sea-going jarheads onbd Navy cruisers back then) firing a .50 cal from one of the masts. The survivors said that gun kept firing until it went under. The story is that the Gunny could not swim. He told his a-gunner 'Don't worry about me. I'll be fine.' We produced men like that in droves back then. The citizens of Houston did a money drive to replace that vessel, and came up with enough to build a freaking carrier. We had citizens like that in droves back then, too.

Posted by: Erowmero at March 01, 2014 07:39 AM (OONaw)

216 Too bad we didn't have the atomic bomb at the beginning of the war. We could have nipped that baby in the bud. Then again, the commies would have gotten it sooner than they did and not have suffered from WW2 which would have made an extremely dangerous situation.

Posted by: Judge Pug at March 01, 2014 07:44 AM (6Nj7A)

217 Posted by: Erowmero at March 01, 2014 11:39 AM (OONaw) Yep, Seagoing Marines or IIRC Mardets were on Navy ships a long time. The sailors hated them and they hated the sailors. But when the lead started to fly there was no difference. I think the Navy and Marines ended the Seagoing Marines in the late 90s.

Posted by: ExSnipe at March 01, 2014 07:52 AM (LKJt3)

218 186Posted by: Y-not at March 01, 2014 11:23 AM (zDsvJ) Thanks. I'll prune back now.

Posted by: Smilin' Jack at March 01, 2014 07:57 AM (Xzj0B)

219 189. Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 01, 2014 11:25 AM (t3UFN) No joke. Like taking candy away from the obese American baby. The easiest way in a democracy to become authoritarian is through a population that demands Socialism as if to implement justice via injustice, equality via inequality, etc. The hungry and beleaguered Oliver Twist to Tyranny: "Please sir, may I have more?" I wrote of Americans' individual war effort contributions in Spain's Civil War 1930s. Remember that Mexico was the ONLY nation that permitted Communist Spaniards to emigrate. France had left all the refugees from Spain to survive out in the elements on the beach, literally, fenced homeless, on the water's edge, no tents, no food, no humanitarian donations (THAT while forcing starving Germans to pay war reparations; simultaneously French dividing their own politics between communist and fascist elements, eventually siding with NAZI through the dumbest EVER defense against German invasion: OPEN BORDER through 'common ground' Belgium.). Anyway, the socialist oligarchs in Mexico are having their heyday at the Middle Class expense, and with our "shared bipartisan value" politicians and bureaucrats, laughing all the way to the Central Banks. To them, there's never "enough" so long as any Individual still retains dignity. Today's hue and cry berates the Constitutional Republic and targets all Gringo bitter clingers as enemies of the revisionist US Socialist Democratic Republic. Ego Obesity is morbid.

Posted by: panzernashorn at March 01, 2014 07:58 AM (MhA4j)

220 Manning, Assange, Snowden, Greenwald: All of the same mind.

Posted by: JJ Stone at March 01, 2014 08:01 AM (4oSMi)

221 ExSnipe, also lost as part of ABDA Afloat - HMNS Java, HMNS DeRuyter, and HMNS Koretenaer. 27-28 Feb 1942.

HMNS Banckert was damaged on Feb 4, 1942. Attempts were made to repair the ship but the Japanese were approaching. Attempt to scuttle ship failed. Japanese refloated warship but never finished repairs. Was used as a target ship in 1949 and sunk.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 01, 2014 08:15 AM (MOXtS)

222 and not have suffered from WW2 which would have made an extremely dangerous situation. Posted by: Judge Pug at March 01, 2014 11:44 AM (6Nj7A) wtf?! where to begin... as if Russians (et al.) by suffering the NAZI atrocities made a safer situation? As if WW2 Nazi aggression made the world a safer place. Kyrie eleison Reconsider the outcome of the Western Alliance ganging up against CENTRAL European development as equals in world politics. From WWI and Versailles came WWII which actually unified all Russians in defense of their Motherland. Had WWII not occurred, imagine how divided the many factions of Russians were and how their nation's course would have been different. Had Russia not been attacked by Germany, in a parallel universe I could imagine the Russians organizing to oust Stalin from power. But that's neither here nor there. After all was said and done, it was the Russians (like the Ottoman Empire's final gesture to all its citizens regardless of ethnicity, religion, economic status) who determined to allow a degree of self determination within the USSR. Of course, economics determined the timing, and even the outcome. So there it is. Communism isn't going away from overpopulated massive regions like Russia, China, and given open borders with NAFTA, the American Continent, USA in tow. US Military has been revised, having emerged from the "Continental Army" to have become the Global Army. And the Joint Chiefs are NOT protecting the US Constitution, but are joined at Obama's hip. After all, their careers are at stake! Damn the Constitution and all those who take seriously their oath to support and defend it. So say our bipartisan shared values national (and state, and local) political leadership. And the voters? Given propaganda to illicit habitual response, fail to evict corruption from office. Re-elect the old. Or Not. Wilson was wrong about everything, despite how well his elitist contingencies have grossly profited at the Middle Class and Liberty's massive expense. Wilson's military interventionism soured US/Russian relations that had previously not experience rancor. Even had Wilson's military exploits succeeded, the rancor would have been all the worse for wear through the 20th century. The moral of the story remains as our Founders set as axiom for our country. Even Jesus didn't coerce people to love, or to follow his own example, or to accept his teachings. Free Will being fruit of the Tree from which history grows and falls, we are where we are.

Posted by: panzernashorn at March 01, 2014 08:25 AM (MhA4j)

223 I believe the FBI? did the same thing during the 60-70s anti-war movement, what's changed is that we have become the "communists" or red threat to certain government groups. They regard socons and libertarians as subversives because we are underming their goals, as communists once worked against the former poltical culture back in the 50s-60s. People tend to keep their profile down in a similar fashion because of the similar troubles such as career blowback And the ability to spy on private discussions is far greater. I recently said to heck with it, and made most my page public. They are going to read it anyway, I might as well share my likes and opinions with the world. But there has been an unpleasant response. I'd take a close look at our opponents strategies during their under the microscope days and find out what worked.

Posted by: Miguel de Cervantes at March 01, 2014 08:27 AM (6zd0p)

224 Oops. Forgot to take my sock off. LOL

Posted by: Miguel de Cervantes at March 01, 2014 08:29 AM (6zd0p)

225 He could take Alaska and the Democrats would do nothing. Posted by: eman at March 01, 2014 11:22 AM (AO9UG) Yup!

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at March 01, 2014 08:34 AM (R8hU8)

226 Smilin' Jack, This might be useful on your rose pruning: http://www.garden.org/howtos/index.php?q=show&id=1291

Posted by: Y-not at March 01, 2014 08:37 AM (zDsvJ)

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