April 09, 2014

Email: Lois Lerner Was Interested in Job at Organizing for America;
— Ace

Gee, I wonder if she'll wind up realizing her dream.



More at that @kerpen account, and more from Dave Camp.

I made a mistake earlier in claiming that the House Oversight Committee had referred Lerner to the DoJ for possible criminal investigation. It appears it was the Ways and Means Committee.

But here is the House Oversight Committee's report on the IRS scandal. (Footnotes and citations omitted; emphases added.)

On June 24, 2013, Acting IRS Commissioner Daniel Werfel asserted during a conference call with reporters that the IRS’s misconduct was broader than just conservative applicants. Werfel told reporters that “[t]here was a wide-ranging set of categories and cases that spanned a broad spectrum.” Although Mr. Werfel refused to discuss details about the “inappropriate criteria that was [sic] in use,” the IRS produced to Congress hundreds of pages of self-selected documents that supported his assertion.

The IRS prioritized producing these documents over other material, producing them when the Committee had received less than 2,000 total pages of IRS material. Congressional Democrats had no qualms in putting these self-selected documents
to use. Virtually simultaneous with Mr. WerfelÂ’s conference call, Democrats on the House Ways and Means Committee trumpeted the assertion that the IRS targeted liberal groups similarly to conservative organizations.

However, the report says that this was false:

Democrats in Congress and the Administration argue that the IRS treated “progressive” groups in a manner similar to Tea Party applicants. Because the IRS BOLO list had an entry for "progressives,” Democrats allege that “progressive groups were singled out for scrutiny in the same manner as conservative groups,” and that “the progressive groups were targeted side by
side with their tea party counterpart groups.”

Again, the evidence available to the Committee does not support these Democratic assertions. Rather, the evidence clearly shows that the IRS did not subject “progressive” groups to the same type of systematic scrutiny and delay as
conservative applicants. Perhaps the most significant difference between the IRS’s treatment of Tea Party applicants and “progressive” groups is reflected in the IRS BOLO lists. The Tea Party entry was located on the tab labeled, “Emerging Issues,” meaning that the IRS was actively screening for similar cases. The “progressive” entry, however, was located on a tab labeled “TAG historical,” meaning that the IRS interest in those cases was dormant. Cindy Thomas, the
manager of the IRS Cincinnati office, explained this difference during a transcribed interview with Committee staff.

She told the Committee that unlike the systematic scrutiny given to the conservative-oriented applications as a result of the BOLO, “progressive” cases were never automatically elevated to the Washington office as a whole. She testified:


Q Ms. Thomas, is this an example of the BOLO from looks like November
2010?

A I don’t know if it was from November of 2010, but –

Q This is an example of the BOLO, though?

A Yes.

Q Okay. And, maÂ’am, under what has been labeled as tab 2, TAG Historical?

A Yes.

***

Q LetÂ’s turn to page 1354.

A Okay.

Q Do you see that, it says -- the entry says progressive?

A Yes.

Q This is under TAG Historical, is that right?

A Yes.

Q So this is an issue that hadnÂ’t come up for a while, is that right?

A Right.

Q And it doesnÂ’t note that these were referred anywhere, is that correct?
What happened with these cases?

A This would have been on our group as – because of – remember I was
saying it was consistency-type cases, so itÂ’s not necessarily a potential
fraud or abuse or terrorist issue, but any cases that were dealing with these
types of issues would have been worked by our TAG group.

Q Okay. And were they worked any different from any other cases that
EO Determinations had?

A No. They would have just been worked consistently by one group of
agents.

Q Okay. And were they cases sent to Washington?

A I’m not – I don’t know.

Q Not that you are aware?

A IÂ’m not aware of that.

Q As the head of the Cincinnati office you were never aware that these cases
were sent to Washington?

A There could be cases that are transferred to the Washington office according to, like, our [Internal Revenue Manual] section. I mean, thereÂ’s a lot of cases that are processed, and I donÂ’t know what happens to every one of them.

Q Sure. But these cases identified as progressive as a whole were never sent to Washington?

A Not as a whole.



The difference in where the entries appeared in the BOLO list resulted in disparate treatment of Tea Party and “progressive” groups. Unlike the systematic scrutiny given to Tea Party applicants, “progressive” cases were never similarly scrutinized.

The House Ways and Means Committee, with statutory authority to review confidential taxpayer information, concluded that the IRS treated conservative tax-exempt applicants differently than “progressive” groups. The Ways and Means Committee’s review found that while the IRS approved only 45 percent of conservative applicants, it approved 100 percent of groups with “progressive” in their name.

Likewise, Acting IRS Commissioner Daniel Werfel testified before the Way and Means Committee:

Mr. REICHERT. Mr. Werfel, isnÂ’t it true that 100 percent of tea party applications were flagged for extra scrutiny?

Mr. WERFEL. I think that – yes. The framework from the BOLO. It’s my understanding, the way the process worked is if there’s “tea party” in the application it was automatically moved into -- into this area of further review, yes.

Mr. REICHERT. OK, and you – you know how many progressive groups
were flagged?

Mr. WERFEL. I do not have that number.

Mr. REICHERT. I do.

Mr. WERFEL. OK.

Mr. REICHERT. Our investigation shows that there were seven flagged. Do
you know how many were approved?

Mr. WERFEL. I do not have that number at my fingertips.

Mr. REICHERT. All of those applications were approved.



The IRS’s independent inspector general has repeatedly confirmed the Ways and Means Committee’s assessment. During the Oversight Committee’s July 2013 hearing, TIGTA J. Russell George told Members that “progressive” groups were not subjected to the same systematic treatment as Tea Party applicants. He testified:

With respect to the 298 cases that the IRS selected for political review, as of the
end of May 2012, three have the word “progressive” in the organization’s name;
another four were used—are used, “progress,” none of the 298 cases selected by
the IRS, as of May 2012, used the name “Occupy.”


Mr. George also informed Congress that at least 14 organizations with “progressive” in their name were not held up and scrutinized by the IRS. “In total,” Mr. George wrote, “30 percent of the organizations we identified with the words 'progress’ or ‘progressive’ in their names were process as potential political cases. In comparison, our audit found that 100 percent of the tax-exempt applications with Tea Party, Patriots, or 9/12 in their names were processed as potential political cases during the timeframe of our audit.”

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1 Oneth?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 09, 2014 11:53 AM (0HooB)

2 I wish I had something insightful to say but I have projects and stuff due this week.

Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain at April 09, 2014 11:53 AM (ClWQc)

3 I look at all these news reports coming down on my head like bricks and they just hit and bounce off.

Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain at April 09, 2014 11:53 AM (ClWQc)

4 So we have to rely on Holder to prosecute? Hahahahahahahgulphahahahah...

Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at April 09, 2014 11:53 AM (9+ccr)

5 Well, this evil woman, on top of Holder telling my congressman 'Don't go there.' just rips it for me.

Posted by: Erowmero at April 09, 2014 11:54 AM (1gcFZ)

6 No amnesty for her, she'll just lie. Go for the throat and you'll get perjury, gratis.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/s] [/u] at April 09, 2014 11:54 AM (HsTG8)

7 Public servants, huh?

Posted by: huerfano at April 09, 2014 11:54 AM (bAGA/)

8 We need to have an attorney general that is elected to their position every two years. Then you won't have any more of this goddamn bullshit with corrupted attorney generals not prosecuting favored politicians. Or at least as much.

Posted by: NWConservative at April 09, 2014 11:55 AM (+webi)

9 Koch brothers?

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 09, 2014 11:55 AM (BZAd3)

10 yep

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: Munich ( 0 ) ManU ( 0 ) at April 09, 2014 11:55 AM (IXrOn)

11 Let.  It.  Fucking.  Burn.

Posted by: prescient11 at April 09, 2014 11:56 AM (tVTLU)

12 boxes inside of boxes

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 09, 2014 11:56 AM (ZPrif)

13 But she did nothing wrong!!! So says her attorney and Lois herself. Cuz when you've done nothing wrong you always take the fifth!

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 09, 2014 11:56 AM (igKtt)

14

Leave Lois  Lerner alone.

 

I'm warning you! 

Posted by: Clark Kinter at April 09, 2014 11:56 AM (TOk1P)

15 How tall is Lois Lerner? Because it's gonna be hell photoshopping this post onto her back...

Posted by: Rolling Stone at April 09, 2014 11:56 AM (FcR7P)

16 At this point, what difference does it make?

Posted by: Reporters taking a siesta at April 09, 2014 11:56 AM (l3vZN)

17 This is important! heli: greek for spiral (or helikos) pter: greek for wing daktylos: greek for "finger"

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 09, 2014 11:57 AM (m9qVG)

18 Bring back the spoils system. I'll take honest corruption over this shit.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 09, 2014 11:57 AM (ZPrif)

19 local.story.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 09, 2014 11:57 AM (nELVU)

20 Funny, I didn't see this mentioned in the media today, but did you hear about that Republican Congressman who kissed his aide?

Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at April 09, 2014 11:57 AM (9+ccr)

21 I love that we're still talking about this like something's going to happen...

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, who does NOT speak for the Department of Commerce, Office of Inspector General at April 09, 2014 11:58 AM (fwARV)

22 So we plan to..uhh...uhhh. Well then. This is has been fun.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 09, 2014 11:58 AM (HDwDg)

23 The Government is full of such creatures. Not sure what to do about it pre-collapse.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 09, 2014 11:58 AM (bb5+k)

24 A whole movie review about a phony scandal?

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at April 09, 2014 11:58 AM (JtwS4)

25 Don't worry, I'm sure she'll get a nice cushy job at some lefty PAC or college campus after this.

Posted by: brak at April 09, 2014 11:58 AM (NaTky)

26 Not a smidgeon of corruption...

Posted by: rabidsquirrel at April 09, 2014 11:59 AM (NkJ0Q)

27 Not only is obama's IRS scandal now defunct, it's starting to backfire on the R's. These bunglers are better off walking away from this before they really hurt themselves.

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 09, 2014 11:59 AM (m9qVG)

28 This is important! I believe you, Soothie.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 09, 2014 11:59 AM (0HooB)

29 They don't even care that we know they are lying.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at April 09, 2014 11:59 AM (Py3Xj)

30 What is Ms. Lerner's current status? Is she retired from the IRS, on leave, fired ? I can keep track.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 09, 2014 11:59 AM (oMKp3)

31 Posted by: Washington Nearsider, who does NOT speak for the Department of Commerce, Office of Inspector General at April 09, 2014 03:58 PM (fwARV) Is that what they decided you had to go and do there? Perhaps I'll change my nic to "tsrblke, who would like to speak for Catholic Healthcare, but they won't let him"

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 09, 2014 11:59 AM (HDwDg)

32 Can't

Posted by: grammie winger at April 09, 2014 11:59 AM (oMKp3)

33 Eric Holder, ARREST THIS WOMAN!!!


what?  oh.


Posted by: Sphynx at April 09, 2014 12:00 PM (OZmbA)

34 I wish this was big news, but it confirms what we've known for months. When the arrests and (metaphorical) burnings at the stake begin for these crimes by agents of the state, and the state itself is cowed for a betrayal of its founding principles, that will be news.

Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at April 09, 2014 12:00 PM (R+XDI)

35 25 Don't worry, I'm sure she'll get a nice cushy job at some lefty PAC or college campus after this. Posted by: brak at April 09, 2014 03:58 PM (NaTky) We need to get government money out of those as well.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 09, 2014 12:00 PM (bb5+k)

36

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 09, 2014 03:59 PM (HDwDg)

 

 

Oh no, I added that just to be a dick.  I was told that as long as it was clear I didn't speak for DOC, OIG or any other federal entity, I was good to go. 

 

 

So.  Clear. 

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, who does NOT speak for the Department of Commerce, Office of Inspector General at April 09, 2014 12:00 PM (fwARV)

37 That is why I was asking earlier if this is a way to skirt the contempt charges. Or, are they two separate entities?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: Munich ( 1 ) ManU ( 1 ) at April 09, 2014 12:00 PM (IXrOn)

38 What I don't understand is how a massive predatory bird with fingers on the end of its wing just dies out. You'd think a bird with fingers would be a natural survivor.

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 09, 2014 12:01 PM (m9qVG)

39 This is a hill on which we will not die!

Posted by: The GOP at April 09, 2014 12:01 PM (08jH8)

40 Nownow, uh, don't, uh, get, uh wee-wee'd up.

They're just folks, uh, doing, you know, uhhh thankslessanddifficultjob.

An' an' an the Republicans uhhh, are just uhhh bunch of doodyheadsandstinkypoos.

Posted by: Resident Oblamo [/i][/b] at April 09, 2014 12:01 PM (HRlKD)

41 They don't even care that we know they are lying. Posted by: Mr. Dave at April 09, 2014 03:59 PM (Py3Xj) Yep. We have no checks and balances because all corners are covered with corrupt pathological liars.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: Munich ( 1 ) ManU ( 1 ) at April 09, 2014 12:02 PM (IXrOn)

42 Seriously, though, Lerner has to be smeared and smeared and smeared. We have to put the fear of god into other corrupt govt officials. Yes, she can avoid jail cause Holder and Obama will protect her -- but she can't avoid being famous and hated and loathed. Most people don't want that.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 09, 2014 12:02 PM (ZPrif)

43 Stinkburger with cheese.

Posted by: Obama, President for Life at April 09, 2014 12:03 PM (OZmbA)

44 20 Funny, I didn't see this mentioned in the media today, but did you hear about that Republican Congressman who kissed his aide? Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at April 09, 2014 03:57 PM (9+ccr) I haven't watched MSM nightly newscasts for years, but last night I was over at my daughters house and I saw Dianne Sawyer going on about that guy. However I did not see a report on the gun runner Chinese congressman from California or anything about the IRS. Perhaps I missed it.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 09, 2014 12:03 PM (oMKp3)

45 Grammie, She is retired. Meaning we have to pay this hag's salary. I hope that we can get to the truth. I'd love to not have to pay her but to see her in jail if guilty. Of course none of that will happen.

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 09, 2014 12:03 PM (igKtt)

46 QUICK!!! LOOK OVER *THERE* !!!! WOMEN MAKE ONLY 78% of WHAT MEN MAKE!!!!

Posted by: fixerupper at April 09, 2014 12:03 PM (nELVU)

47 Posted by: Washington Nearsider, who does NOT speak for the Department of Commerce, Office of Inspector General at April 09, 2014 04:00 PM (fwARV) "tsrblke, who occasionally rants in the direction of ORI." Actually this is only partially true. I wrote a book chapter for ORI once (via my boss at the time.) They declined it. Why? Because my chapter was on animal ethics (case analysis) and when OLAW got a hold of it they said "no no, this won't do, we don't discuss animal research ethics here, it's not allowed" The Office of Lab Animal Welfare actually nixed my chapter on lab animal welfare. (They tried to say "there is no ethics only regulation" but I did actually keep the chapter fairly focused on regulatory like issues, still got nixed. My boss was pissed, hence the dissertation topic was born.)

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 09, 2014 12:03 PM (HDwDg)

48 A general who delivered the phony-baloney media eulogy today for Ft Hood included this: "...they made the ultimate sacrifice, not on the battlefield but.." They were murdered because they were defenseless, easy targets.

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 09, 2014 12:04 PM (m9qVG)

49 I wish I had hope, but I don't.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at April 09, 2014 12:04 PM (Py3Xj)

50 This is a hill on which we will not die! Posted by: The GOP and it's all hills out there.

Posted by: t-bird at April 09, 2014 12:04 PM (FcR7P)

51 Sorry, but we're all tied up with bridge closings and lost airliners right now.

Posted by: This Is CNN at April 09, 2014 12:05 PM (8ZskC)

52 And of course we all know that Holder will drop everything and get right on this: https://tinyurl.com/myg8akf I mean really. Has this guy done anything thing at all other than not do his job. And the Republicans! They seem to be trying to beat him at his own game.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 09, 2014 12:05 PM (BZAd3)

53 What I don't understand is how a massive predatory bird with fingers on the end of its wing just dies out.

Heh heh heh heh.

Posted by: Repenomamus giganticus at April 09, 2014 12:05 PM (ZKzrr)

54 If she is prosecuted and found guilty, can she at least be stripped of her federal pension? Or do we have to pay her benefits for life?

Posted by: grammie winger at April 09, 2014 12:06 PM (oMKp3)

55 Munich ( 1 ) ManU ( 1 )

That escalated quickly.

Posted by: HR at April 09, 2014 12:06 PM (ZKzrr)

56 David Burge ‏@iowahawkblog Great news! Washington, Iowa (pop. 7000) police dept gets its own armored MRAP http://www.dailyiowan.com/2014/04/08/Opinions/37365.html Â… #WeGotTrouble #RightHereInRiverCity

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 09, 2014 12:06 PM (ZPrif)

57 You know we can make jokes about this but it's beyond infuriating to me at this point. I feel a rage stroke comin on..

Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at April 09, 2014 12:06 PM (9+ccr)

58 Posted by: grammie winger at April 09, 2014 04:06 PM (oMKp3) I'm sure the union made sure that if she were found guilty of treason and executed, here corpse would continue to collect a pension.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 09, 2014 12:07 PM (HDwDg)

59 Although I'm pretty sure that pterodactyls evolved into gargoyles, so that's nice.

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 09, 2014 12:07 PM (m9qVG)

60 Come on you silly tru-cons she's already retired. Why can't you understand what a major win that is for our side. She's retired!

Posted by: Buzzion at April 09, 2014 12:07 PM (TIHgt)

61 Please, make this disgusting, smug woman, who has retired w a six-figure pension, the face of corruption. Every LIV should see ad after ad of her with her hand out for another cushy job, as they prepare to stand on their feet all day as a cashier at Target.

Posted by: NeverEvermore at April 09, 2014 12:07 PM (QZdJj)

62 can she at least be stripped of her federal pension? And become Exhibit A in "Man's Inhumanity To Man"?! Heaven forfend!

Posted by: Your GOP Elite at April 09, 2014 12:07 PM (FcR7P)

63
I'd do something thing about this, but I'm still just too emotionally devastated after finding out Taco Bell doesn't make the Bell Beefer anymore.

*sniff*

Posted by: John Boehner

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 09, 2014 12:08 PM (kdS6q)

64 >>>corpse would continue to collect a pension. It will damned sure vote.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at April 09, 2014 12:08 PM (Py3Xj)

65 We cannot allow the IRS to continue in its present form.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 09, 2014 12:08 PM (/i3Yt)

66 Munich ( 1 ) ManU ( 1 ) That escalated quickly. Posted by: HR at April 09, 2014 04:06 PM (ZKzrr) yeah, and although we are ManU fans, I love Munich, so tough call, here for me. Best goalie in the game, worldwide, Manuel Neuer. Hands down. What a specimen.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: Munich ( 1 ) ManU ( 1 ) at April 09, 2014 12:08 PM (IXrOn)

67 Say, doesn't Congress have its own police force and jail? Why can't they just arrest these criminals?

Posted by: Iblis at April 09, 2014 12:09 PM (9221z)

68 She is retired. Meaning we have to pay this hag's salary. I hope that we can get to the truth. I'd love to not have to pay her but to see her in jail if guilty. Of course none of that will happen. Often, in flights of Guinness-fueled fancy, I imagine an angry group of citizens swarming her house with signs and bullhorns.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 09, 2014 12:09 PM (0HooB)

69 This would all be well and good if we were still a nation of laws, but we are not. As I said in another thread, if Lerner does one single day in prison, I'll dress up in a lady Gaga meat dress, climb on the roof of my office building and sing "Mmm mmm mmm Barack Hussein Obama." Ain't gonna happen.

Posted by: Citizen X at April 09, 2014 12:09 PM (7ObY1)

70 If I did leave anything in your mouth, it was only a smidgen.

Posted by: jwest at April 09, 2014 12:09 PM (u2a4R)

71 Seems like they ate angling to pin it all on Lerner.

Posted by: steevy at April 09, 2014 12:10 PM (zqvg6)

72 If only there were a co-equal branch of government under the Constitution, gifted by the Constitution with the "power of the purse" to control federal spending, which could rein in these crude abuses via punitive budget cuts.

Complete blue-sky magical thinking, I know.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 09, 2014 12:10 PM (noWW6)

73 57 You know we can make jokes about this but it's beyond infuriating to me at this point. I feel a rage stroke comin on.. Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at April 09, 2014 04:06 PM (9+ccr) I think I'm past rage now. I've kind of made my peace with the fact that we live in a corrupt nation of third world crooks and liars, and barring a miraculous intervention by God, we are screwed. From this point forward it is all about faith, family, fun and fearlessness. They may have stolen my country, but I'll be darned if they steal my joy. They have gotten all they are going to get from me. I am free of them.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 09, 2014 12:10 PM (oMKp3)

74 The scrutiny from the IRS was an act of love.

Posted by: Furious George at April 09, 2014 12:10 PM (yFb77)

75 Posted by: Citizen X at April 09, 2014 04:09 PM (7ObY1) You could make that bet "gets convicted and/or pleads out." Forget prison, she ain't even going to get tried. If this drags out, Bamby will probably make her a Dec. 31st pardon in 2016.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 09, 2014 12:10 PM (HDwDg)

76 I said MEDIUM-HOT fajitas. MEDIUM HOT. These are just MEDIUM! (sob sob wail cry)

Posted by: The Weeping Orange Boner at April 09, 2014 12:11 PM (7ObY1)

77 You know we can make jokes about this but it's beyond infuriating to me at this point. I feel a rage stroke comin on.. Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at April 09, 2014 04:06 PM (9+ccr) Try to take it in stride. It's hard, yeah. elections coming up then more elections coming up only hope, really

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: Munich ( 2 ) ManU ( 1 ) at April 09, 2014 12:11 PM (IXrOn)

78

>>>You know we can make jokes about this but it's beyond infuriating to me at this point.

 

I feel the same. And no, we shouldn't just get rid of pension. The whole office should be cleaned out. Every employee involved with non-profits, regardless of involvement with this particular series of crimes, packed up and either sent elsewhere or banned from employment at the IRS.

 

As an example. And as a figleaf to restore trust.

Posted by: Hitler at April 09, 2014 12:11 PM (3ZtZW)

79 At least stick around for Tsunami November. It's gonna be magical.

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 09, 2014 12:11 PM (m9qVG)

80 I'm so aggravated by this whole fucking thing.

Posted by: DangerGirl at home with her Sanity Prod at April 09, 2014 12:12 PM (GrtrJ)

81 65 We cannot allow the IRS to continue in its present form. Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 09, 2014 04:08 PM (/i3Yt) More like they will not allow us to continue in our present form.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 09, 2014 12:12 PM (bb5+k)

82 There is not an OUNCE of corruption in the IRS.

Posted by: Injuin Black foot Barry, Dog eater. at April 09, 2014 12:12 PM (0FSuD)

83 Permanent Daley Majority

Posted by: JEM at April 09, 2014 12:12 PM (o+SC1)

84 27
Not only is obama's IRS scandal now defunct, it's starting to backfire on the R's.

These bunglers are better off walking away from this before they really hurt themselves.

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 09, 2014 03:59 PM (m9qVG)

++++

How is it backfiring on the Rs? Unless you mean they are not pursuing her with sufficient vigor...

If the GOP leadership had any balls at all, they would be after Lerner like a pack of vicious dogs. But, I suspect that if you could get them to come clean, there are many in the leadership that are not all that concerned that Tea Party groups are being stymied in their political efforts.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 09, 2014 12:13 PM (IN7k+)

85 Folsom Prison Blues

Posted by: Teh Most Interesting Man at April 09, 2014 12:13 PM (dTh2r)

86 /heh

Posted by: Bigby's Iron Fist at April 09, 2014 12:13 PM (3ZtZW)

87 So what is worse?  That Lerner may have taken orders from the White House to target Tea Party groups?  Or that the Federal bureaucracy is populated with people like Lerner that don't need to be told to target conservatives?  I think the second scares me more.

Posted by: Muad'dib at April 09, 2014 12:13 PM (sjdRT)

88 If the GOP leadership had any balls at all, they would be after Lerner like a pack of vicious dogs. But, I suspect that if you could get them to come clean, there are many in the leadership that are not all that concerned that Tea Party groups are being stymied in their political efforts. Posted by: Anon Y. Mous ____________ That's a big 10-4.

Posted by: Furious George at April 09, 2014 12:13 PM (yFb77)

89 More like they will not allow us to continue in our present form. QFT.

Posted by: The Weeping Orange Boner at April 09, 2014 12:14 PM (7ObY1)

90 Often, in flights of Guinness-fueled fancy, I imagine an angry group of citizens swarming her house with signs and bullhorns. Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 09, 2014 04:09 PM (0HooB) You are still drinking Guinness? I prefer not to support companies that support efforts to normalize buggery.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 09, 2014 12:14 PM (bb5+k)

91 >>>I'd do something thing about this, but I'm still just too emotionally devastated after finding out Taco Bell doesn't make the Bell Beefer anymore.

*sniff*

Posted by: John Boehner<<<



See this is why we need amnesty. Illegals would love to make you crappy Mexican food.

Posted by: Jeb the Love Bloat at April 09, 2014 12:14 PM (08jH8)

92 I think I'm past rage now. I've kind of made my peace with the fact that we live in a corrupt nation of third world crooks and liars, and barring a miraculous intervention by God, we are screwed. From this point forward it is all about faith, family, fun and fearlessness. They may have stolen my country, but I'll be darned if they steal my joy. They have gotten all they are going to get from me. I am free of them. Posted by: grammie winger at April 09, 2014 04:10 PM (oMKp3) I made that turning point too. I get mad, but I don't allow my blood pressure to rise. I keep filling my days with other stuff that make me feel good. But, I'm not going to give up the fight altogether. We just have to do all that we can within our means and balance out our lives. Don't let the evil doers take our lives from us.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: Munich ( 2 ) ManU ( 1 ) at April 09, 2014 12:14 PM (IXrOn)

93 WTF is the matter w/these people? Could they get any creepier??


Posted by: dananjcon at April 09, 2014 12:14 PM (NpXoL)

94 on with Howie Carr right now is Pat Buchanan Pat Buchanan on Jeb Bush and the others: Talking the way they do, they sound like all they're trying to do is avoid a fight. How true. The R's want to win without actually fighting the D's on anything. It cannot happen.

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 09, 2014 12:15 PM (m9qVG)

95 I'm sure I'm remembering wrong- but doesn't the House have the ability to hold/imprison someone for contempt independent of the DOJ?

Posted by: naturalfake at April 09, 2014 12:15 PM (0cMkb)

96

Square jawed bitch will get away with it lock, stock, and barrel.

 

Anyone think she won't ?

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 09, 2014 12:15 PM (WcEFY)

97 It's hard to get anything done against a  powerful  tyranny.  And that's really all there is to say.

Posted by: Soona at April 09, 2014 12:15 PM (o7LFs)

98 The problem is Lerner got her marching orders straight from the Community Organizer.

Posted by: Teh Most Interesting Man at April 09, 2014 12:16 PM (dTh2r)

99 Imagine if the GOP said "Lerner" as much as the Democrats are saying "Koch" right now.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: Munich ( 2 ) ManU ( 1 ) at April 09, 2014 12:16 PM (IXrOn)

100 I don't understand how you H8rs can focus on a competent and honorable federal official who has done nothing wrong when there are more important things in the world......

An NCAA basketball player has COME OUT!

GO GAY OR DON'T PLAY!

Posted by: NEA/Hollywood/MBM at April 09, 2014 12:16 PM (QFxY5)

101 Just a local DC story

Posted by: CNN at April 09, 2014 12:16 PM (0LHZx)

102

>>>WTF is the matter w/these people? Could they get any creepier??

 

Hush. This is like Gilligan talking about 'smooth sailing'

Posted by: Bigby's Iron Fist at April 09, 2014 12:16 PM (3ZtZW)

103 The saddest part is, I think we all have to admit at this point that if this ship is ever going to be righted (and that's a long shot) it won't be in our lifetimes. The best we can do is try to keep the notion of freedom alive for our descendants to build on. It ain't much, but you gotta have hope. Without hope, there is nothing.

Posted by: Citizen X at April 09, 2014 12:16 PM (7ObY1)

104 Bring back the black site renditions and waterboard her ass.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at April 09, 2014 12:16 PM (tf9Ne)

105 It's hard to get anything done against a powerful tyranny. And that's really all there is to say. Posted by: Soona at April 09, 2014 04:15 PM (o7LFs) Unless they were all Cruz Drones.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: Munich ( 2 ) ManU ( 1 ) at April 09, 2014 12:17 PM (IXrOn)

106 >>>If only there were a co-equal branch of government under the Constitution, gifted by the Constitution with the "power of the purse" to control federal spending, which could rein in these crude abuses via punitive budget cuts.

Complete blue-sky magical thinking, I know.<<<



We do. We do! I signed thatdocument!!! Honestly.

Posted by: John Hancock at April 09, 2014 12:17 PM (08jH8)

107 What are the GOP's options at this point? Send her dossier off to DOJ where (metaphorically at least) it's Letters to Penthouse, the DOJ staff wish they'd been there doing the same things? Lock the crooked little bitch up in the Congressional Dungeon, which some of us would like to see particularly if it's full of rats, but we know some percentage of our lily-livered Representatives will run in terror from actually having to act? Wait for the next President and hope that individual does something about this mess, a hope that the sane among us recognize as pure cargo-cultism?

Posted by: JEM at April 09, 2014 12:17 PM (o+SC1)

108 It's backfiring because now the emboldened D's have trotted out McCarthyism and this is turning into a witchhunt. Remember, Truth means nothing today. Math is irrelevant, too. All that matters is winning the low-info voters.

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 09, 2014 12:17 PM (m9qVG)

109 ...

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: Munich ( 3 ) ManU ( 1 ) at April 09, 2014 12:17 PM (IXrOn)

110

Exactly when does the civil disobedience start??

 

This country was founded as a rebellion of abuses much smaller than what is going on now.

Posted by: prescient11 at April 09, 2014 12:17 PM (tVTLU)

111 Posted by: naturalfake at April 09, 2014 04:15 PM (0cMkb)

They have a Sergeant at Arms, and I think they might even have a small jail, but the situations that would allow imprisonment are narrowly defined.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 09, 2014 12:18 PM (QFxY5)

112 This is why as one of the base principles of the gop/tea party has to be to reduce the size, scope and reach of the federal government. The federal government and its employees have become weaponized against us. They don't even need direct orders, like good foot soldiers they know what is required and expected.

Posted by: Kreplach at April 09, 2014 12:18 PM (Z9BWx)

113 You are still drinking Guinness? I prefer not to support companies that support efforts to normalize buggery. Funny you should mention that, because Guinness is all I can tolerate to drink these days. Anything else causes *ahem* problems. Alcohol is the only thing holding my psyche together anymore.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 09, 2014 12:18 PM (0HooB)

114 How true. The R's want to win without actually fighting the D's on anything. It cannot happen. Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 09, 2014 04:15 PM (m9qVG) Principles are an impediment to the easy Beltway life, that's why the R's have pretty much jettisoned any pretense of having them!

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 09, 2014 12:18 PM (vRCaC)

115 What Muad'dib said. No orders need be given. Comrade O can have plausible deniability. Suck that, John Dean. See what you started?

Posted by: Mr. Dave at April 09, 2014 12:18 PM (Py3Xj)

116 An NCAA basketball player has COME OUT!

Now if he could do calculus, that might be shocking.

Posted by: HR at April 09, 2014 12:18 PM (ZKzrr)

117 Use the IRS to rig the election process. Nice gig. I'm glad they used our money to do it.

Posted by: Lauren at April 09, 2014 12:18 PM (hFL/3)

118 #110 This country was founded as a rebellion of abuses much smaller than what is going on now. Mad King George was a mere punter compared to Our Commie Overlords.

Posted by: Citizen X at April 09, 2014 12:19 PM (7ObY1)

119 You could say that the committed leftist is the ultimate corporate stooge. Pining for a chance to please their masters at the top of the federal leviathan. Willing to strike down anyone by any means if their life blood, the tax payer teet is threatened.


Small government?? Burn in Hell you Tea Party animal!!!
 

Posted by: dananjcon at April 09, 2014 12:19 PM (NpXoL)

120 She ways has a place at American Crossroads. We need more like her if Jeb is to win.

Posted by: Karl Rove at April 09, 2014 12:19 PM (thLL8)

121 I this morning I or- I ordered a *sniff*. Dammit....don't cry. Just- I ordered a Taco Bell Breakfast Tac-o-o-ho-o-boo-hoo Boo-hooo-hooo WAHHHHHHHH!!!!

Posted by: John Boehner, Artificial Man-Like, Glandless Clone Mach 2.3 at April 09, 2014 12:19 PM (0cMkb)

122 STOP with the hopelessness. We will boot Reid in 14 and take the White House in 16. Did you see the Luntz focus group on Megyn last night? Not a single person said they were more free under Obama.

Posted by: Teh Most Interesting Man at April 09, 2014 12:19 PM (dTh2r)

123 The Constitution is nothing but a fake constitution on the fleshback of a hollywood b-lister.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: Munich ( 3 ) ManU ( 1 ) at April 09, 2014 12:19 PM (IXrOn)

124 so everyone that understands that our congressional committees are nothing but kabuki theater raise your hand.

"I've appointed a special subcommittee!"

yeah.  whatever, asshole.

Posted by: tangonine at April 09, 2014 12:20 PM (x3YFz)

125

I cannot remember a president doing stuff like this other than Nixon. He was a piker compared to TFG. I am an old hippie chick and I believe in karma and I am looking forward to the day when it happens to Zero and his minions. Evil bunch the lot of them.

Posted by: ALH at April 09, 2014 12:20 PM (btTLZ)

126 Our main weapon at this point is conservative media. Liberal fascist scum like Lerner don't want to be famous. They want to do their dirty work under the radar. But we can think of reforms to enact if we ever get power back. Until then, public shame, ridicule, and denunciations are about the best tool we have.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 09, 2014 12:20 PM (ZPrif)

127

Posted by: grammie winger at April 09, 2014 04:10 PM (oMKp3)

 

 

I'm really just kind of ready for the shooting to start...

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, who does NOT speak for the Department of Commerce, Office of Inspector General at April 09, 2014 12:20 PM (fwARV)

128 And yet, people wondered why the non-military parts of the Government bought millions upon millions of rounds of ammo.

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 09, 2014 12:20 PM (vRCaC)

129 hahahaha @ Frank Luntz and his focus groups

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 09, 2014 12:20 PM (m9qVG)

130 Of course, in Van Jones case that just made him rich and famous. But Van Jones wanted to be famous, most govt henchmen like Lerner don't.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 09, 2014 12:20 PM (ZPrif)

131 #122 Yeah and I saw all of Luntz's focus groups before the 2008 election. And the 2012 election. Do not confuse Fox News viewers with the rest of the world. They preach only to the converted. Luntz's schtick means nothing.

Posted by: Citizen X at April 09, 2014 12:20 PM (7ObY1)

132 Perdicaris alive or Raisuli dead!!!


circa 2014, Lerner convicted or liberty dead

Posted by: Abdullah Abdullah ( ...drinking a pina colada at Trader Vic's ) at April 09, 2014 12:21 PM (JyjXt)

133 Yeah, you're right, I'll just believe life sucks and I'm a victim without hope. Get bent.

Posted by: Teh Most Interesting Man at April 09, 2014 12:21 PM (dTh2r)

134 Ever notice how Frank Luntz always comes so close to phrasing the right question? He's always asking almost-to-the-point questions.

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 09, 2014 12:22 PM (m9qVG)

135 Maybe she will be next on the cover of Rolling Stone?

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 09, 2014 12:22 PM (bitz6)

136 Get bent. will do, right after work. Cheerio.

Posted by: Citizen X at April 09, 2014 12:22 PM (7ObY1)

137 I declare this congress..... dismissed.  And fuck you.  No we don't care what you have to say, you've had decades to say it and haven't done shit so off with you.  Yer.

Fucking.

Done.

Posted by: tangonine at April 09, 2014 12:22 PM (x3YFz)

138 Let's all laugh at Luntz because we all so much more brilliance!!!1

Posted by: Teh Most Interesting Man at April 09, 2014 12:22 PM (dTh2r)

139 hahahaha @ Frank Luntz and his focus groups hahahaha@ Nail Filer Kelly

Posted by: Beyond Disgusted at April 09, 2014 12:22 PM (thLL8)

140 Until then, public shame, ridicule, and denunciations are about the best tool we have.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 09, 2014 04:20 PM (ZPrif)



wrong:  Much better tools exist

Posted by: Abdullah Abdullah ( ...drinking a pina colada at Trader Vic's ) at April 09, 2014 12:23 PM (JyjXt)

141 Posted by: Teh Most Interesting Man at April 09, 2014 04:19 PM (dTh2r) I'm not hopeless. Far, far from it. I am full of hope. It's just that I've got a different source for my hope than the realm of politics.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 09, 2014 12:23 PM (oMKp3)

142 Rage. Stroke. * collapses quivering on floor * : cat watches with bemusement ::

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 09, 2014 12:23 PM (aDwsi)

143 Dog kind of tough, but good with fuck you sauce.

Posted by: Injuin Black foot Barry, Dog eater. at April 09, 2014 12:23 PM (0FSuD)

144 118 #110 This country was founded as a rebellion of abuses much smaller than what is going on now. We (supposedly) have an oppositon party which can raise these issues and fight for us.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 09, 2014 12:23 PM (F85AX)

145 Luntz and Rove. Barbed Cock of Satan. Some assembly required.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 09, 2014 12:23 PM (bitz6)

146 Boring troll is boring. Man do we need a better class of trolls around here.

Posted by: Citizen X at April 09, 2014 12:23 PM (7ObY1)

147 Oh those people in Luntz groups they so whack! What does they knows?!?! You so stooopid!

Posted by: Teh Most Interesting Man at April 09, 2014 12:23 PM (dTh2r)

148 I accidentally ordered a Sam Adams the other day. Out of habit. Drank it, but switched after one. Found a replacement for Guinness, but it's expensive and not always available (Stone Imperial Russian Stout). Wife is en route home with beer from Trader Joe's, I assume Fat Weasel. Not sure where that falls on the evil beer scale, but I'm running out of options here.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 09, 2014 12:23 PM (ZshNr)

149 I'm just here for the lulz.

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 09, 2014 12:23 PM (m9qVG)

150 So what tools are those?

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 09, 2014 12:24 PM (ZPrif)

151 Not a single person said they were more free under Obama. Posted by: Teh Most Interesting Man at April 09, 2014 04:19 PM (dTh2r) Well, it is true that any crop of Republicans can't be worse than the current crop of Democrats, but from what I have seen for the GOPe, I am not at all sure there will be a discernible difference. Once you go over the cliff, it's gravity that takes over independent of how fast you went over the cliff!

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 09, 2014 12:24 PM (vRCaC)

152 I so smart cuz I know so much more than people in focus groups! I have the straightest dope, I so frickin' genius!!

Posted by: Teh Most Interesting Man at April 09, 2014 12:24 PM (dTh2r)

153 Well I'm here to vent and commiserate with my fellow Morons/Moronettes...

Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at April 09, 2014 12:25 PM (9+ccr)

154 Is that you, Frank Luntz?

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 09, 2014 12:25 PM (m9qVG)

155 Posted by: Lincolntf at April 09, 2014 04:23 PM (ZshNr) I have found TJ's Fat Weasel to be pretty good beer with the advantage of being reasonably priced.

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 09, 2014 12:25 PM (vRCaC)

156 The part before the comments is very lengthy on this one.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 09, 2014 12:25 PM (bitz6)

157 Watneys is good, as is Newcastle Brown Ale

Posted by: Abdullah Abdullah ( ...drinking a pina colada at Trader Vic's ) at April 09, 2014 12:25 PM (JyjXt)

158 SSDD - they are all crooks and thieves.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 09, 2014 12:25 PM (lDQn8)

159 Luntz's groups seem to consist of profoundly ignorant people from NY and NJ. Just a causual observation.

Posted by: Beyond Disgusted at April 09, 2014 12:26 PM (thLL8)

160 The Susan McDougal precedent says that, at worst, she might get a year in jail and a presidential pardon.

Posted by: bergerbilder at April 09, 2014 12:26 PM (8MjqI)

161 Once you go over the cliff, it's gravity that takes over independent of how fast you went over the cliff! And all of the flapping of arms doesn't help.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 09, 2014 12:26 PM (NKBxV)

162 : cat watches with bemusement :: Posted by: Mike Hammer Cat watches the pulsing artery in your neck.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at April 09, 2014 12:26 PM (l3vZN)

163 So what tools are those?

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 09, 2014 04:24 PM (ZPrif)



Could I tell you anything you don't already know?

Posted by: Abdullah Abdullah ( ...drinking a pina colada at Trader Vic's ) at April 09, 2014 12:26 PM (JyjXt)

164 @128 And why obama is sysymatically destroying the military. Destroy bedrock american institutions and buildup and weaponize institutions that are composed of true belivers and adherants.

Posted by: Kreplach at April 09, 2014 12:27 PM (qvsl/)

165 Heart Bleed. How do I know which websites are vulnerable?

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 09, 2014 12:27 PM (bitz6)

166 (Stone Imperial Russian Stout)

They're looking to build a brewery east of the Mi'ssippi, put out a call for local tax breaks bribes last month.  Found that interesting.

Posted by: HR at April 09, 2014 12:27 PM (ZKzrr)

167 a cat-watch? like a Mickey Mouse watch?

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 09, 2014 12:27 PM (m9qVG)

168 128 And yet, people wondered why the non-military parts of the Government bought millions upon millions of rounds of ammo.

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 09, 2014 04:20 PM (vRCaC)

hollow point ammo.  Which is 1.5x as expensive as regular ball ammo so the whole "target shooting/training" shit goes right out the window.

Guess what fuckers?  The citizenry has access to tracers and armor piercing rounds.

Hollow points are shit to anyone with body armor.  But a titanium cored round?

just physics.

Posted by: tangonine at April 09, 2014 12:27 PM (x3YFz)

169 They have a Sergeant at Arms, and I think they might even have a small jail, but the situations that would allow imprisonment are narrowly defined. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 09, 2014 04:18 PM (QFxY5) Thanks for the clarification. But, if it were legal under the narrow definitions. The House should do it. That would certainly break through the MFMs news embargo tout suite. Of course, then we'd have to have strong Republican men/women with actual spines to explain cogently in soundbite form.... But....not the hill to die on..... Hey, that amnesty's pretty great stuff, huh?

Posted by: naturalfake at April 09, 2014 12:27 PM (0cMkb)

170 And all of the flapping of arms doesn't help. Posted by: rickb223 at April 09, 2014 04:26 PM (NKBxV) Nor does the screaming!

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 09, 2014 12:27 PM (vRCaC)

171 Shuttup, wingnuts!

I believe you , Lois.

Posted by: Senator John McCain [/i] [/b] at April 09, 2014 12:27 PM (5ikDv)

172 Yeah, I like Fat Weasel. I didn't specify, sometimes she'll bring home Stella Artois. She thinks I like it more than I do, but I never tell her, don't want her hesitating and getting nothing. She knows I hate Weisen and Hefeweisen, that's the most important thing.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 09, 2014 12:28 PM (ZshNr)

173 : cat watches with bemusement ::

Until breakfast.  Then he will show some concern over the empty food dish.

Posted by: HR at April 09, 2014 12:28 PM (ZKzrr)

174 They have a Sergeant at Arms, and I think they might even have a small jail, but the situations that would allow imprisonment are narrowly defined. Do not forget about the Congressional Mace-In case people like Cummings become unruly.

Posted by: Beyond Disgusted at April 09, 2014 12:28 PM (thLL8)

175

>>>So what tools are those?

 

Snap-ons

Posted by: Bigby's Iron Fist at April 09, 2014 12:28 PM (3ZtZW)

176 So, um, also maybe time to revoice a question I occasionally ask:

In 1974, the House issued articles of impeachment against Richard Nixon. Among those articles was one which alleged that Nixon had used the IRS to harass and intimidate political enemies.

This had not been factually proven (and in fact never was). It was merely an unproven allegation. Yet the House Democrats insisted that the allegation alone was sufficiently serious as to warrant the issuance of an article of impeachment.

Why then should an article of impeachment not now be issued against Barack Obama on precisely the same grounds?

The only response I ever get is, "Come on, there's NO WAY as a matter of practical politics that Reid would ever allow Obama to be removed in a Senate vote. Even if the House turns up totally damning evidence."

Well, for that matter, even if the GOP take back the Senate this fall, there's still similarly no way that they would ever remove Historic First from the Oval Office. It's a racial taboo. Obama is untouchable in that regard. As a matter of practical politics.

But it's not about removing Obama. It's about the glaring spotlight on Obama's abuses that House impeachment hearings would provide. And it's about locking down Obama in a defensive crouch, compelling him to focus on the House proceedings instead of doing more damage. The guy is going to be there through January of 2017. Force him into a corner for as much of that time as possible.

But for God's sake, don't let that retard Issa anywhere near the proceedings. He's screwed things up enough already.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 09, 2014 12:28 PM (noWW6)

177 Semi-related: Look who is whining like a little three year old who didn't get a pudding pop: HOLDER: “I have been proud to stand along side of you in supporting efforts to advance the cause of justice that has always been at the center of this , this administrations work I am pleased to note that the last five years have been defined by significant strides and lasting reforms, even in the face, even in the face, of unprecedented, unwarranted ugly adversity. And if you don’t believe that, you look at the way …forget about me… forget about me , you look at the way the Attorney General of the Untied States was treated yesterday by a House committee. Had nothing to do with me what Attorney General has ever had to deal with that kind of treatment? What President has ever had to deal with that kind of treatment.”

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 09, 2014 12:29 PM (XUKZU)

178 We have nothing to fear from..... I think I shat myself again.

Posted by: Senator John McCain. at April 09, 2014 12:29 PM (bitz6)

179 Pat Buchanan just said he's okay with Mitt running again. Pat also said everyone knows Mitt is out of touch with the regular guy.

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 09, 2014 12:29 PM (m9qVG)

180
Illegals would love to make you crappy Mexican food.
Posted by: Jeb the Love Bloat




Actually, taco burgers were pretty good. Especially back in the day when a tortilla not in chip form was still considered exotic.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 09, 2014 12:30 PM (kdS6q)

181
And why obama is sysymatically destroying the military.
Posted by: Kreplach at April 09, 2014 04:27 PM (qvsl/)

All the good officers and NCOs have left.  They're gone.

The only upside is that the people that replaced them couldn't find their ass with both hands and a flashlight.  Nitwits.  Flag level on down,  total dumbasses.

Posted by: tangonine at April 09, 2014 12:30 PM (x3YFz)

182 Anyone know what happened at the memorial today at Fort Hood that Obama was going to drop by before his fundraiser?

Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at April 09, 2014 12:30 PM (9+ccr)

183 Snap-Ons is offering rewarding franchise opportunities



Posted by: Abdullah Abdullah ( ...drinking a pina colada at Trader Vic's ) at April 09, 2014 12:30 PM (JyjXt)

184 So I'm drinking gin. I have never really had a gin drink. It kind of tastes like I'm licking a pine tree.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 09, 2014 12:30 PM (oMKp3)

185 I'm here because it keeps me sane. Ish.

Posted by: Lauren at April 09, 2014 12:30 PM (hFL/3)

186 Abdullah -- Don't be coy. Man up and say what you mean. I'm pretty sure you're hinting at something stupid, but since you won't say, I can't be sure. You do realize this isn't a militia recruitment website, right?

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 09, 2014 12:31 PM (ZPrif)

187 I hope they pick NC. We're having not quite a boom, but a bit of a recovery in our State economy. Tax cuts, positive economic signs, not sure what kind of incentives are still floating around. I'm sure there are some.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 09, 2014 12:31 PM (ZshNr)

188 Posted by: Kreplach at April 09, 2014 04:27 PM (qvsl/) The military oath swearing (or affirming) that "I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic" has always been a problem for progressives.

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 09, 2014 12:31 PM (vRCaC)

189 Eat a dick, Holder.

Posted by: Lauren at April 09, 2014 12:32 PM (hFL/3)

190 Posted by: tangonine at April 09, 2014 04:30 PM (x3YFz) Not all of them. Not yet anyway.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 09, 2014 12:32 PM (oMKp3)

191 179 Pat Buchanan just said he's okay with Mitt running again. Pat also said everyone knows Mitt is out of touch with the regular guy. Mitt - because the GOP gives up.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 09, 2014 12:32 PM (F85AX)

192 You do realize this isn't a militia recruitment website, right?

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 09, 2014 04:31 PM (ZPrif)



No, I did not realize that--please explain, with examples

Posted by: Abdullah Abdullah ( ...drinking a pina colada at Trader Vic's ) at April 09, 2014 12:32 PM (JyjXt)

193 The Susan McDougal precedent says that, at worst, she might get a year in jail and a presidential pardon. Posted by: bergerbilder ---------------- The Holder Rule says, she will not be prosecuted. It ain't happening.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 09, 2014 12:32 PM (aDwsi)

194 Great Lakes Brewery out of Cleveland has some good selections if you can find it in your area. And not too pricey. Burning River is probably the most popular, and Christmas Ale, in season, is 10.5% (nuf said.)

Posted by: bergerbilder at April 09, 2014 12:32 PM (8MjqI)

195

>>>The only upside is that the people that replaced them couldn't find their ass with both hands and a flashlight. Nitwits. Flag level on down, total dumbasses.

 

Yay! Lets get in a war with Russia!

 

/half serious

Posted by: Bigby's Iron Fist at April 09, 2014 12:32 PM (3ZtZW)

196 Smidgens hardest hit.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at April 09, 2014 12:33 PM (ndlFj)

197
Dollars to Donuts that she, holder and about 100 other leftists get Obossy pardons at the end of his term.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 09, 2014 12:33 PM (hUf/y)

198 I'm here for Ace's posts. *hint*

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: Munich ( 3 ) ManU ( 1 ) at April 09, 2014 12:33 PM (IXrOn)

199 Anyone know what happened at the memorial today at Fort Hood that Obama was going to drop by before his fundraiser? Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at April 09, 2014 04:30 PM (9+ccr) ____________________ Obama did a nice reading for the Corpse men. Played Christian beautifully. I almost bought it.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 09, 2014 12:33 PM (32Ze2)

200 I had some Edmund Fitzgerald from Great Lakes Brewing Co. a couple weeks ago. Not bad.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 09, 2014 12:34 PM (ZshNr)

201 ____________________ Obama did a nice reading for the Corpse men. Played Christian beautifully. I almost bought it. No anti-gun tee-shirt giveaways?

Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at April 09, 2014 12:34 PM (9+ccr)

202 The House needs to keep requiring Holder to appear before committees.  A different one every day. Asking the same questions.  Until Eric has a breakdown on camera or quits.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 09, 2014 12:34 PM (lDQn8)

203 So I'm drinking gin. I have never really had a gin drink. It kind of tastes like I'm licking a pine tree. Posted by: grammie -------------- Mix with Schweppes Bitter Lemon. Classic gin & tonic. Have as much as you care too, remember, it protects against malaria!

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 09, 2014 12:34 PM (aDwsi)

204 Obama is going to blanket pardon everyone in his regime on the way out. Take it to the bank. No one will be prosecuted for anything.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 09, 2014 12:35 PM (32Ze2)

205 110 Exactly when does the civil disobedience start?? This country was founded as a rebellion of abuses much smaller than what is going on now. Posted by: prescient11 at April 09, 2014 04:17 PM (tVTLU) We should all be working to promulgate ideas on civil disobedience that can be implemented. I would suggest we start with low risk ones.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 09, 2014 12:35 PM (bb5+k)

206 "No anti-gun tee-shirt giveaways?" I still can't believe that actually happened. Is this real life?

Posted by: Lauren at April 09, 2014 12:35 PM (hFL/3)

207 "...It kind of tastes like I'm licking a pine tree." Did you get in to the retsina by mistake?

Posted by: navybrat at April 09, 2014 12:35 PM (JgC5a)

208 200 I had some Edmund Fitzgerald from Great Lakes Brewing Co. a couple weeks ago. Not bad. Does it come with a life jacket?

Posted by: grammie winger at April 09, 2014 12:35 PM (oMKp3)

209 "..... what Attorney General has ever had to deal with that kind of treatment?" What other attorney general has deseerved it?

Posted by: bergerbilder at April 09, 2014 12:36 PM (8MjqI)

210 Every single one of you CAN make a difference. It starts at the lowest level--in your local political arena, on the school boards--right down there on the dog catcher level. The left did it with their "long march through the institutions", now our side must do the same. The advantage we have is twofold--a system already in place and vastly improved communication. Not going to be easy,but doable nonetheless. I will continue my part, small though it is, unrelentingly. Should it cost my life, well once upon a long time ago I swore an oath that has no expiration. Our country is still here, under the layer of filth laid on it--it's our job to remove that layer. Squeaking about how bad it is will do NOTHING to change things. Only hard, unrelenting effort will do. Y'all have a choice and it's time to make that choice.

Posted by: irongrampa at April 09, 2014 12:36 PM (SAMxH)

211 Obama did a nice reading for the Corpse men. Played Christian beautifully. I almost bought it. No anti-gun tee-shirt giveaways? Shot out of t shirt cannons?

Posted by: rickb223 at April 09, 2014 12:36 PM (NKBxV)

212 184 So I'm drinking gin. I have never really had a gin drink. It kind of tastes like I'm licking a pine tree. Posted by: grammie winger at April 09, 2014 04:30 PM (oMKp3) Juniper. That's where the name "Gin" comes from. It's made with Juniper berries.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 09, 2014 12:36 PM (bb5+k)

213 200 I had some Edmund Fitzgerald from Great Lakes Brewing Co. a couple weeks ago. Not bad.

Did you vanish only to resurface far later in the evening?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 09, 2014 12:37 PM (lDQn8)

214 208 200 I had some Edmund Fitzgerald from Great Lakes Brewing Co. a couple weeks ago. Not bad. Does it come with a life jacket? Now that's funny...

Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at April 09, 2014 12:37 PM (9+ccr)

215 speaking of gin.. Jennifer Juniper, lives upon the hill Jennifer Juniper, sitting very still Is she sleeping? I don't think so Is she breathing? Yes, very low Whatcha doing, Jennifer, my love? Jennifer Juniper, rides a dappled mare Jennifer Juniper, lilacs in her hair Is she dreaming? Yes, I think so Is she pretty? Yes, ever so Whatcha doing, Jennifer, my love?

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 09, 2014 12:37 PM (m9qVG)

216 Posted by: prescient11 at April 09, 2014 04:17 PM (tVTLU) Often wonder what the Founders would have done to an IRS agent that showed up asking for 50+% of everything.

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 09, 2014 12:37 PM (vRCaC)

217

I think Ms. Lerner's dream right now is a presidential pardon.  Somehow I don't think Obama really cares enough about underlings to grant her one.  She'll be underbussed as soon as possible:

 

"But*cough, cough*I did everything for you!  For you!"

 

Vroooom beep-beep-beep *thump*thump*

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Days of Rage Sale at the Outrage Outlet! at April 09, 2014 12:37 PM (hLRSq)

218 I've still got a bottle. A "handcrafted porter". The label is the ship in rough water with lightning striking above it. Kind of ominous.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 09, 2014 12:37 PM (ZshNr)

219 I got some gin a couple weeks ago, and a bottle of vermouth which I figure will be the only bottle of vermouth I will ever need to buy my whole life.  And a bottle of Angostura bitters.

I need a martini glass.

Posted by: HR at April 09, 2014 12:37 PM (ZKzrr)

220 Say what you will about McLame or Mitt, there is 0% change that his AG or his IRS Commisioner would have done any of it. At the end of the day the RINOiest RINO is still better than a Democrat. If this episode doesn't prove it, I don't know what will.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 09, 2014 12:38 PM (0LHZx)

221 203 So I'm drinking gin. I have never really had a gin drink. It kind of tastes like I'm licking a pine tree. Posted by: grammie -------------- Mix with Schweppes Bitter Lemon. Classic gin & tonic. Have as much as you care too, remember, it protects against malaria! Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 09, 2014 04:34 PM (aDwsi) I used tanqueray over ice, with fresh squeezed lime and lemon, and a touch of simple syrup. I have no idea what I'm doing. Haha!

Posted by: grammie winger at April 09, 2014 12:38 PM (oMKp3)

222 The Anti Gun T-shirt givaways were at the AZ Memorial for the Gabby Giffords thing. Ranks right up there with the Wellstone Memorial when it comes to the tone deafness of the demotards. The only thing they could have done to make it worse would have been to fire the T-shirts into the crowd with a T-shirt cannon.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 09, 2014 12:38 PM (32Ze2)

223 >>> 184 So I'm drinking gin. I have never really had a gin drink. It kind of tastes like I'm licking a pine tree. Posted by: grammie winger at April 09, 2014 04:30 PM (oMKp3) That taste has become a North Korean delicasy.

Posted by: bergerbilder at April 09, 2014 12:38 PM (8MjqI)

224 Obama is going to blanket pardon everyone in his regime on the way out. Take it to the bank. No one will be prosecuted for anything. That's why I drink. We are so terribly screwed...and there's not a damned thing anyone in DC will do to stop it. Evil won.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 09, 2014 12:38 PM (0HooB)

225 So I'm drinking gin. I have never really had a gin drink. It kind of tastes like I'm licking a pine tree. Posted by: grammie winger at April 09, 2014 04:30 PM (oMKp3) Probably, the gin style is London Dry which means lots of juniper. Try Plymouth Gin, it's an older style and lighter on the juniper. Also, Winston Churchill's fave gin. Then get a new bottle of Rose's Lime Juice and follow the recipe on the back for a Gimlet. Plymouth Gin + Rose's Lime Juice = smooth as silk super-tasty cocktail

Posted by: naturalfake at April 09, 2014 12:38 PM (0cMkb)

226 Pat also said everyone knows Mitt is out of touch with the regular guy. --- But OTOH, Obama has two daughters in private school at over $70k in tuition per year...and the Mooch went on one vacay and spent over $8 mill of taxpayer money. But Mitt is out of touch. Got it. O/T but I'm on vacation myself righ now and right next to the daycare that just got hit. Helicopters, police and ambulances as far as the eye can see.

Posted by: Lady in Black, on iPhone & not responsible for typos at April 09, 2014 12:39 PM (8XRfC)

227 Ah, I see the Koch Brothers hate campaign is in full swing....

Posted by: tu3031 at April 09, 2014 12:39 PM (nsQhi)

228 So I'm drinking gin. I have never really had a gin drink. It kind of tastes like I'm licking a pine tree.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 09, 2014 04:30 PM (oMKp3)

Sweetheart, don't do that.  So many other, more tasty ways to wreck your liver.  I say this as a recovering alcoholic.  No gin.  Just no.

Posted by: tangonine at April 09, 2014 12:39 PM (x3YFz)

229 Basically, the left have implemented Mafia Government, only worse - because the Mafia really only cares about your money. The Leftist Mafia wants your soul as well.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at April 09, 2014 12:39 PM (qyfb5)

230 I have Rose's Lime Juice.

I didn't get simple syrup because they wanted $4 for 12 ounces, and I'm like "fuck, I can make it at home."

Posted by: HR at April 09, 2014 12:40 PM (ZKzrr)

231 126 Our main weapon at this point is conservative media. Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 09, 2014 04:20 PM (ZPrif) I hope you mean "The creation of some." What we currently have is like facing a media Air Force with a Kite. We need a conservative media that has some teeth, meaning viewership.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 09, 2014 12:40 PM (bb5+k)

232 I'm just happy we don't have to suffer any more of those Mike's Hard Lemonade tv commercials.

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 09, 2014 12:41 PM (m9qVG)

233 Often wonder what the Founders would have done to an IRS agent that showed up asking for 50+% of everything. Posted by: Hrothgar --------------------- That is why I am opposed to automatic withholding, kinda. If the average person was compelled to personally cough up 20% to 50% of their annual earnings on April 15th, there would be a revolt. First year.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 09, 2014 12:41 PM (aDwsi)

234 I'm in a grey mood... The media will refuse to report on the Obama admin's willful lawlessness.... The GOP not wanting to be RAYCISS will refuse to campaign on weaponized government as reformers.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 09, 2014 12:41 PM (TE35l)

235 We are so terribly screwed...and there's not a damned thing anyone in DC will do to stop it. Which is why I won't do a damned thing to help stop the burning.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 09, 2014 12:41 PM (NKBxV)

236 Of course there is more:

"New IRS emails released by the House Oversight Committee show staff working for Democratic Ranking Member Elijah Cummings communicated with the IRS multiple times between 2012 and 2013 about voter fraud prevention group True the Vote. True the Vote was targeted by the IRS after applying for tax exempt status more than two years ago. Further, information shows the IRS and Cummings' staff asked for nearly identical information from True the Vote President Catherine Engelbrecht about her organization, indicating coordination and improper sharing of confidential taxpayer information. "

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i][/b] at April 09, 2014 12:41 PM (HRlKD)

237 So I'm drinking gin. I have never really had a gin drink. It kind of tastes like I'm licking a pine tree.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 09, 2014 04:30 PM (oMKp3)

**


Give it a few to sink in. They'll start tasting like sweet iced tea on a warm summers day.




Posted by: dananjcon at April 09, 2014 12:42 PM (NpXoL)

238 Not sure where that falls on the evil beer scale, but I'm running out of options here. Posted by: Lincolntf at April 09, 2014 04:23 PM (ZshNr) Yeah, that's a problem alright. Seems much of the world is going insane, and we are still going to have to get product from someone.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 09, 2014 12:42 PM (bb5+k)

239 That is why I am opposed to automatic withholding, kinda. If the average person was compelled to personally cough up 20% to 50% of their annual earnings on April 15th, there would be a revolt. First year. Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 09, 2014 04:41 PM (aDwsi) _________ But remember 47% of them pay nothing. Nothing at once or nothing over 24 paychecks is still nothing. Reduce that 47% to 0% and you'll see taxes get cut.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 09, 2014 12:42 PM (0LHZx)

240
Every single one of you CAN make a difference. It starts at the lowest level--in your local political arena, on the school boards--right down there on the dog catcher level....
Posted by: irongrampa




It ends when your own party waits until you leave the House chamber to take a leak to sleaze thru an unannounced ginned up "unanimous" voice vote.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 09, 2014 12:42 PM (kdS6q)

241 I'm surprised this hasn't been mentioned yet. Chicago preacher dumps Dems, backs GOP gubernatorial candidate (article originally had Jesse Jackson and Meeks pictured together during this announcement, but they took it down) http://tinyurl.com/loxbvra

Posted by: heideleena at April 09, 2014 12:42 PM (7Iwef)

242 Step one for reducing the size of the federal government is ceding all land under federal control and designation back to the states. The only thing you would need to do this is an act of congress. Nothing more than that.

Posted by: Kreplach at April 09, 2014 12:42 PM (0hIQR)

243 That is why I am opposed to automatic withholding, kinda. If the average person was compelled to personally cough up 20% to 50% of their annual earnings on April 15th, there would be a revolt. First year. Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 09, 2014 04:41 PM (aDwsi) __________________ This ^^^^. This beast will never be starved because it is on auto pilot. Most people think it's great to get a refund, totally lacking any irony in the situation. Make everyone write a fucking check. The whole thing shits the bed.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 09, 2014 12:43 PM (32Ze2)

244 "Further, information shows the IRS and Cummings' staff asked for nearly identical information from True the Vote President Catherine Engelbrecht about her organization, indicating coordination and improper sharing of confidential taxpayer information. " Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 09, 2014 04:41 PM (HRlKD) fnord (HRlKD) Democrats = crooks. I'm sorry if there are some old low-level holdouts who didn't know that, but this is all that's left.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at April 09, 2014 12:43 PM (qyfb5)

245 220 Mr Mau Mau, Rinos enabled this hiot in the first place by pretending you can have Bi-Partisan partisanship.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 09, 2014 12:43 PM (TE35l)

246 The Leftist Mafia wants your soul as well. Be very careful attempting to collect mine. It already been Promised.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 09, 2014 12:43 PM (NKBxV)

247 Further, information shows the IRS and Cummings' staff asked for nearly identical information from True the Vote President Catherine Engelbrecht about her organization, indicating coordination and improper sharing of confidential taxpayer information. " --- No wonder Cummings is screaming "McCarthyism!" at the top of his lungs... He's caught up in this. Can the House expel Cummings over something like this? I know he can get re-elected, but him leaving the House, even temporarily, could start a Dem fist-fight over seniority.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at April 09, 2014 12:43 PM (APuJ7)

248 I have Rose's Lime Juice... Posted by: HR at April 09, 2014 04:40 PM (ZKzrr) Just make sure it's not the typical oxidized to some weird shade of sickly piss yellow, ten years sitting in your refrigerator bottle of Rose's Lime Juice, or you won't enjoy your cocktail experience.

Posted by: naturalfake at April 09, 2014 12:44 PM (0cMkb)

249

Great Lakes Brewery out of Cleveland has some good selections if you can find it in your area. And not too pricey. Burning River is probably the most popular, and Christmas Ale, in season, is 10.5% (nuf said.)

Posted by: bergerbilder at April 09, 2014 04:32 PM (8MjqI)

 

Their Blackout Stout (particularly the Barrel Aged variety) is phenomenol, if ridiculously expensive.

Posted by: rabidsquirrel at April 09, 2014 12:44 PM (NkJ0Q)

250 I really don't like this whole being a conspiracy theorist thing. I mean, I look awful in tin foil and dumping the vinegar into the spray bottles is so messy. I like less that it's turning out many of the conspiracy theories are true.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 09, 2014 12:44 PM (mf5HN)

251 Sweetheart, don't do that. So many other, more tasty ways to wreck your liver. I say this as a recovering alcoholic. No gin. Just no. Posted by: tangonine at April 09, 2014 04:39 PM (x3YFz) Ya, I think this little experiment is not going as I had desired. But at least it's not as bad as last weekend. Son came home for the day and made me my favorite vodka and iced tea drink. Only instead of vodka he poured in Everclear by mistake. Darn near killed me!!

Posted by: grammie winger at April 09, 2014 12:44 PM (oMKp3)

252 202 The House needs to keep requiring Holder to appear before committees. A different one every day. Asking the same questions. Until Eric has a breakdown on camera or quits. Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 09, 2014 04:34 PM (lDQn Yes. That would be a very good tactic, and well deserved.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 09, 2014 12:44 PM (bb5+k)

253 Give it a few to sink in. They'll start tasting like sweet iced tea on a warm summers day. Gin is the classic bluesman's hooch. I feel a trip to the liquor store coming on...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 09, 2014 12:45 PM (0HooB)

254 My favorite summertime drink is Plymouth Gin with some Simply Limeade mixed in. Very refreshing.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at April 09, 2014 12:45 PM (l3vZN)

255 @177 - I'm sure you recognize that Holder's vision of 'justice' ends not much beyond 'affirmative action' and 'enabling vote fraud'.

Posted by: JEM at April 09, 2014 12:45 PM (o+SC1)

256 I don't think the Republican party will support conservative candidates from now on. In fact, I think the Republican party will work to defeat you.

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 09, 2014 12:45 PM (m9qVG)

257 Reduce that 47% to 0% and you'll see taxes get cut. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo -------------------- I don't care about the 47%, there's nothing that I can do about them. Oh, wait..., I can not say that can I? Because, Ogre.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 09, 2014 12:45 PM (aDwsi)

258 National sales tax, anyone? The IRS can't become political hit squads if they no longer exist.

Posted by: --- at April 09, 2014 12:45 PM (MMC8r)

259 Rinos enabled this hiot in the first place by pretending you can have Bi-Partisan partisanship. Posted by: sven10077 at April 09, 2014 04:43 PM (TE35l) ____________ Would I prefer a Ted Cruz to a McLame? Yes. Do I also think it was insane that people said I'd rather not vote than vote for McLame? Yes. And if in 2016 people stay home because the GOP candidate isn't perfect, they're doubly crazy.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 09, 2014 12:46 PM (0LHZx)

260 I would suggest we start with low risk ones.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 09, 2014 04:35 PM (bb5+k)

 

 

---------------------------------------

 

 

I'm going to refuse to seperate  the recyclables in my garbage. 

 

Oh, wait.......I've been doing that for years.

Posted by: Soona at April 09, 2014 12:46 PM (o7LFs)

261 'affirmative action' and 'enabling vote fraud'. ------------- Same thing.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 09, 2014 12:46 PM (aDwsi)

262 230 I have Rose's Lime Juice. Posted by: HR at April 09, 2014 04:40 PM (ZKzrr) Oh, I have that! Maybe I could try that if I do this again.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 09, 2014 12:46 PM (oMKp3)

263 They have all the badges and a lot of guns. We have no badges and, OK, a lot of guns. They have unlimited resources. Look at what they are doing to the rancher in Nevada. Got him and his wife holed up with SWAT teams and snipers. It is really depressing.

Posted by: navybrat at April 09, 2014 12:46 PM (JgC5a)

264 Step one for reducing the size of the federal government is ceding all land under federal control and designation back to the states.

The only thing you would need to do this is an act of congress. Nothing more than that.

Posted by: Kreplach at April 09, 2014 04:42 PM (0hIQR)

 

 

You may need to refine that slightly, I don't think forts and navy yards should be handed over.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Days of Rage Sale at the Outrage Outlet! at April 09, 2014 12:46 PM (hLRSq)

265 204 Obama is going to blanket pardon everyone in his regime on the way out. Take it to the bank. No one will be prosecuted for anything. Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 09, 2014 04:35 PM (32Ze2) And as I have often said before, the next President should absolutely ignore those pardons and prosecute the mutherfuckers anyway. Very little can bankrupt a person faster than having to defend themselves against a federal prosecutor. It is the DUTY of our next government to throw as much of the current one in jail as possible.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 09, 2014 12:46 PM (bb5+k)

266 189 Eat a dick, Holder.

Posted by: Lauren at April 09, 2014 04:32 PM (hFL/3)

i wubyou!

See?  this is why we win.

EATADICK!  Green Beret training:


http://tinyurl.com/n4vapuy

Posted by: tangonine at April 09, 2014 12:46 PM (x3YFz)

267 I'm going to refuse to seperate the recyclables in my garbage. Oh, wait.......I've been doing that for years. Posted by: Soona ------------------ I do not think it makes any difference. I am convinced that the 're-cycles' just go to a dump 50 miles away.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 09, 2014 12:47 PM (aDwsi)

268 Gin and tonic with lime. That's my drink for the night.

Posted by: DangerGirl at home with her Sanity Prod at April 09, 2014 12:47 PM (GrtrJ)

269 Lou Barletta from PA is on now with Howie Carr. Lou is not a supporter of obamnesty, which is nice.

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 09, 2014 12:47 PM (m9qVG)

270

Posted by: navybrat at April 09, 2014 04:46 PM (JgC5a)

 

 

As long as they come for us one at a time, yes.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, who does NOT speak for the Department of Commerce, Office of Inspector General at April 09, 2014 12:47 PM (fwARV)

271 268 Gin and tonic with lime. That's my drink for the night. --- Funny how my memory skips Reading over manuscripts Of unpublished rhyme Drinking my vodka and lime

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at April 09, 2014 12:48 PM (APuJ7)

272 I say this as a recovering alcoholic Posted by: tangonine at April 09, 2014 04:39 PM (x3YFz ___________________ Fist Bump. I once was very very good at drinking. Once. I am now retired... like you

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 09, 2014 12:48 PM (32Ze2)

273 Barletta was one of the great wins in 2006. I forget who he defeated, but it was a great get.

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 09, 2014 12:48 PM (m9qVG)

274 Soothie, look... I'm giving you the daktylos.

Posted by: johnd01 at April 09, 2014 12:49 PM (ukNFU)

275 But yes I agree that withholding and especially tax refunds are awful. I've had several people tell me that because they get a refund it means they pay no taxes. Some even think they're somehow screwing the govt because they get "FREE MONEY" through a refund. I pointed out that the refund just means you gave the IRS an interest free loan for 12 months on top of the thousands of dollars you paid in taxes.....no comprende.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 09, 2014 12:49 PM (0LHZx)

276 See? See how I educate you all? Thanks to me, you all know the Greek word for finger.

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 09, 2014 12:50 PM (m9qVG)

277 256 soothsayer, Then I am not voting Republican and focusing on secession. Boy that was hard.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 09, 2014 12:51 PM (TE35l)

278 At the end of the day the RINOiest RINO is still better than a Democrat. If this episode doesn't prove it, I don't know what will. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 09, 2014 04:38 PM (0LHZx) Not necessarily. Sometimes you have to make a problem much worse before people will find it intolerable, and thereby correct it. "The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly." - Abraham Lincoln Rino's make horrible Liberal policy tolerable, and therefore permanent. The toxin accumulates over time.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 09, 2014 12:51 PM (bb5+k)

279 Drudge has a link up to the Washington Examiner saying Issa has emails linking Elijah Cummings to Lois Lerner.
 
http://tinyurl.com/o4u6txv
 
Remember ole Elijah? He recently declared there is no there there re the IRS and Tea Party investigation.

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 09, 2014 12:51 PM (wNF3N)

280 Posted by: tangonine at April 09, 2014 04:46 PM (x3YFz)

That is some funny shit.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 09, 2014 12:52 PM (QFxY5)

281 National sales tax, anyone? Absolutely not. A flat tax of 10% and a balanced budget amendment with a penalty of hard PMITA jail time for one cent spent over budget.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 09, 2014 12:52 PM (0HooB)

282 Fist Bump. I once was very very good at drinking. Once. I am now retired... like you

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 09, 2014 04:48 PM (32Ze2)

Yup.  No shame in it.  Liked it too much it got the best of me, now I win.

Problem solved, problem staying solved.

^5

Posted by: tangonine at April 09, 2014 12:52 PM (x3YFz)

283 Perhaps should do this in DC - http://www.ufunk.net/en/insolite/drone-light-painting/

Hey AlextheChick, I think these are over the top unless one is going for the Alien from Formhault IV landing here to enslave human men.

http://www.shoebuy.com/pleaser-delight-600-36/658992/1349638

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 09, 2014 12:52 PM (lDQn8)

284

I'm saving a choice position for Lerner on my 2016 presidential campaign.

 

Who knows, if the pots right, she may even be my VP.

Posted by: Joe Biden at April 09, 2014 12:52 PM (sWgE+)

285 @264 Fine. The only way to reduce the size of thr federal government is to reduce the size of the federal government. Federal control of land within the states must end in order for the states to take back powet that has been seized by the federal government. The states can charge the feds for use of land for military bases.

Posted by: Kreplach at April 09, 2014 12:53 PM (kdfQ/)

286 Drudge has a link up to the Washington Examiner saying Issa has emails linking Elijah Cummings to Lois Lerner. ========== It's like they shot poor little Tarpon all over again.

Posted by: --- at April 09, 2014 12:53 PM (MMC8r)

287
I'm going to refuse to seperate the recyclables in my garbage.
Posted by: Soona




I put my postage stamps on upside down.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 09, 2014 12:53 PM (kdS6q)

288 Thanks to me, you all know the Greek word for finger.

I'm still stuck on the lizards with rotors.

Posted by: HR at April 09, 2014 12:53 PM (ZKzrr)

289 Posted by: WalrusRex at April 09, 2014 04:29 PM (XUKZU) I'm surprised he didn't say "racist" treatment someplace in his screed. You're a crook, Eric, whose sole purpose seems to be to thwart justice and harass people not entirely on board with Obama's policies. You're not liked or respected?!......Awwww

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 09, 2014 12:53 PM (XyM/Y)

290 Drudge has a link up to the Washington Examiner saying Issa has emails linking Elijah Cummings to Lois Lerner. http://tinyurl.com/o4u6txv Remember ole Elijah? He recently declared there is no there there re the IRS and Tea Party investigation. Posted by: GnuBreed at April 09, 2014 04:51 PM (wNF3N) it never ends

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 09, 2014 12:53 PM (IXrOn)

291 Haha, nice tangonine.

Posted by: Lauren at April 09, 2014 12:54 PM (hFL/3)

292 I say this as a recovering alcoholic. No gin. Just no.

Posted by: tangonine at April 09, 2014 04:39 PM (x3YFz)

Clearly you were not a professional.

Gin can be your friend.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 09, 2014 12:54 PM (QFxY5)

293 Clearly, you need some remedial Sooth-ing.

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 09, 2014 12:54 PM (m9qVG)

294 "That is why I am opposed to automatic withholding, kinda. If the average person was compelled to personally cough up 20% to 50% of their annual earnings on April 15th, there would be a revolt. First year."

Except, as noted upthread, you have to rope in the half of America who don't pay federal taxes any more.

The GOP succeeded too well with tax cutting. Among that half of the country, the reasoning is brutally simple. Hey, I'm not paying for the government myself, so I'll vote for as many government programs as are on offer!

Tax cuts should be on a short, frequent, automatic sunsetting cycle. At all income levels.

If they were, odds are that by now, enough sand would have got in the gears at some point to let taxes rise back to their original levels, if only for a little while, and tens of millions of low- and moderate-income voters would have instantly screamed in outrage.

Nothing hurts like pain. Occasional doses of it have instructive effects.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 09, 2014 12:54 PM (noWW6)

295 Fist Bump. I once was very very good at drinking. Once. I am now retired... like you

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 09, 2014 04:48 PM (32Ze2)

 

 

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Mir auch.

Posted by: Soona at April 09, 2014 12:54 PM (o7LFs)

296 As a compromise on withholding: Right now, if you underpay for the year, you pay something like a 9% interest plus penalty. Gov should play by the same rules (ha, but still) and give you a 9% return on whatever you overpay, including the refund.

Posted by: AMDG at April 09, 2014 12:54 PM (eFytx)

297 I only drink gin after the mosquitoes emerge. Again, a prudent prophylactic measure re malaria.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 09, 2014 12:55 PM (aDwsi)

298 "I'm going to refuse to seperate the recyclables in my garbage." Better yet throw unrecyclable crap into the recycling bin. Oh whoops, I guess some styrofoam got in there. What's that? A pizza box. Uh oh.

Posted by: Lauren at April 09, 2014 12:55 PM (hFL/3)

299 nood up

Posted by: OregonMuse at April 09, 2014 12:55 PM (I8YZX)

300 Which is why I won't do a damned thing to help stop the burning. Posted by: rickb223 at April 09, 2014 04:41 PM (NKBxV) Which is why I say we should do everything we can think of to accelerate it. If people become acclimated to these current doings as normal, then it will be harder than ever to get them to see things differently. We need to make things WORSE in order to make them better.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 09, 2014 12:56 PM (bb5+k)

301 And I see the Elijah stuff at WaEx has already been noted here.
 
Remember how Elijah wanted an apology from Issa for cutting his microphone off? And the press was on Elijah's side, of course.
 
He got his apology.

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 09, 2014 12:56 PM (wNF3N)

302 Soothie Trivia: What word means "terrible lizard?" Googling = cheating.

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 09, 2014 12:56 PM (m9qVG)

303 new thread on elijah

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 09, 2014 12:56 PM (IXrOn)

304 I don't know how so many people can possibly end up paying no taxes. I have a very limited income with itemized deductions and I still end up paying.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 09, 2014 12:56 PM (oMKp3)

305 Drudge has a link up to the Washington Examiner saying Issa has emails linking Elijah Cummings to Lois Lerner. ------------------------- Reminds me of Candy Crowley being prompted by Obama during the debates.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 09, 2014 12:57 PM (aDwsi)

306 only drink gin after the mosquitoes emerge. Again, a prudent prophylactic measure re malaria. Down here, they never really go away except during our three weeks of winter in the middle of January. One can never be too safe when it comes to avoiding malaria.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 09, 2014 12:58 PM (0HooB)

307 What word means "terrible lizard?"

Anita Dunn.

Posted by: HR at April 09, 2014 12:58 PM (ZKzrr)

308 I say this as a recovering alcoholic

Posted by: tangonine at April 09, 2014 04:39 PM (x3YFz
___________________

Fist Bump. I once was very very good at drinking. Once. I am now retired... like you

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 09, 2014 04:48 PM (32Ze2)

**


We joke a lot around here bout drinking but FOTMI- its a serious problem for lots. At this moment there is a fella in our shop who is shaking and sweating profusely because he needs a drink, dude just came back to work after a five day bender, says he's been sick buy we know otherwise.  My neighbor just lost her husband, her job and her drivers license. Its everywhere.


Posted by: dananjcon at April 09, 2014 12:58 PM (NpXoL)

309 I don't know how so many people can possibly end up paying no taxes. I have a very limited income with itemized deductions and I still end up paying. Posted by: grammie ------------------ A. You are honest. B. You are not receiving large entitlement payments.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 09, 2014 12:58 PM (aDwsi)

310 Maybe Lois can run  the  OFA operation  at the Marion, Ill   prison, and work with mobsters,  or perhaps she can work with the Blind Sheikh  at  Butner  Prison.    Lots of potential ObamaCare helpers in both places.

Posted by: MTF at April 09, 2014 12:58 PM (LISuA)

311 This ^^^^. This beast will never be starved because it is on auto pilot. Most people think it's great to get a refund, totally lacking any irony in the situation. Make everyone write a fucking check. The whole thing shits the bed. Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 09, 2014 04:43 PM (32Ze2) They were clever bastards to set it up the way they did. They knew all too well that Americans wouldn't tolerate it unless they could hide it from them somehow. Getting your money taken out before you get it makes it far less objectionable than having it in your hand and being told to "give it up." We need to rip the mask off.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 09, 2014 12:59 PM (bb5+k)

312 I put my postage stamps on upside down. Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix I've been doing that since the passage of the ACA. My postmaster noticed one day when I handed a stack of mail.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at April 09, 2014 12:59 PM (l3vZN)

313 "Anita Dunn."

I saw what you did there.

And laughed my ass off.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 09, 2014 12:59 PM (noWW6)

314 Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 09, 2014 04:58 PM (aDwsi) Oh. Well. Darn it to heck.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 09, 2014 01:00 PM (oMKp3)

315 Is now the time to start interviewing candidates for Special prosecutor?

Posted by: Arbalest at April 09, 2014 01:00 PM (FlRtG)

316 We joke a lot around here bout drinking but FOTMI- its a serious problem for lots. At this moment there is a fella in our shop who is shaking and sweating profusely because he needs a drink, dude just came back to work after a five day bender, says he's been sick buy we know otherwise. My neighbor just lost her husband, her job and her drivers license. Its everywhere. Posted by: dananjcon ----------------------------------- ^^^ That. I'm not going to climb on a soap box, but a close relative was an alcoholic. It destroyed the family. Tragically hard on everyone, but hardest on the children. Damn near impossible for anyone to intervene in any way.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 09, 2014 01:02 PM (aDwsi)

317 296 As a compromise on withholding: Right now, if you underpay for the year, you pay something like a 9% interest plus penalty. Gov should play by the same rules (ha, but still) and give you a 9% return on whatever you overpay, including the refund. Posted by: AMDG at April 09, 2014 04:54 PM (eFytx) ________ It's 3% not 9%, but I like your idea. What is fucking killer is the penalty for filing late 5% **PER MONTH** with a limit of 25%

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 09, 2014 01:13 PM (0LHZx)

318 The potential schadenfreude involved in this case is about as awesome as the elusive double male orgasm!

I must admit, If Lerner was rightfully convicted of this treason... We should all be watching her execution on live TV.  The slow jerk potential would make this the greatest ratings jackpot in history.

This kind of crime is so dangerous to the stability of our country, I'm really shocked (shocked!) that Obama and Holder are shielding her.  If they cared for the country at all, she would be made an example of.. Because with this out, its becoming clear that the basis of our once great nation is no longer valid... our glorious nation, and all the blood spilled in defense of her and our values.... WERE THROWN OUT THE WINDOW FOR THESE AFFIRMATIVE ACTION USURPERS CURRENTLY IN OFFICE! Holy shiite! we are fucked up, chicken!

The cold civil war has begun.  They hate us, we HATE them.

Posted by: Biden '16 at April 09, 2014 01:29 PM (TcDKW)

319 They're not even bothering to hide it.  Why not?  No one, least of all the Media or the GOP, will call them on it.  Why not just go flat out Stalinist?

Of course, I'm sure the GOP is just as glad that "Tea Party" and "Patriot" groups were targeted.  Whew!

Posted by: Null at April 09, 2014 01:33 PM (xjpRj)

320 So ol Elijah is a minor Goombah in the Demrat IRS Tax Mafia. My stars and garters! Who would think that such a wonderful upright public servant as Elijah would do such a thing? Sign me "Libtard Moron"

Posted by: Comanche Voter at April 09, 2014 02:40 PM (wdHk6)

321 Posted by: grammie winger at April 09, 2014 04:06 PM (oMKp3) I'm sure the union made sure that if she were found guilty of treason and executed, here corpse would continue to collect a pension. -------------------------------------- Has the union decided which polling places her corpse will be registered with so it can vote as often as necessary?

Posted by: alwyr at April 09, 2014 02:53 PM (V0j3u)

322 The leftards have finally found a portion of the Constitution that they like.  The 5th Amendment.

Posted by: 4th ID RVN at April 09, 2014 04:02 PM (sK0Ia)

323 Test <<

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 09, 2014 05:09 PM (vRCaC)

324 Test

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, Vermont at April 09, 2014 06:23 PM (SK5U6)

325 I made a mistake earlier in claiming that the House Oversight Committee had referred Lerner to the DoJ for possible criminal investigation. It appears it was the Ways and Means Committee. Makes little difference who did the referral, because the outcome is going to be the same - nothing will happen.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at April 09, 2014 09:28 PM (rakCv)

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