April 20, 2014

Food Thread: Baking: It's Not Science....It's Magic [CBD]
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The conventional wisdom is that cooking is an art and baking is a science -- requiring precision and consistency and rigid attention to detail. And if you satisfy those requirements you will be rewarded with marvelous crusty breads and glorious cakes and you will be the marvel of the neighborhood.

It's a dirty filthy stinking lie, perpetrated by an unholy cabal of flour mills and sugar barons and the natural gas industry.
Any variation in humidity, temperature, density of flour, potency of yeast, and dozens of other things can, and often does make a huge difference in the final product. That's why accomplished bakers will add extra water, or a pinch less of yeast or salt, or knead it for a few more minutes or let it proof at a warmer temperature for just a few minutes less.....

And why is that? How do they know? Because they made a pact with the devil. In return for baking those scrumptious, yeasty sourdough loaves and incredible dinner rolls that are just perfect with the sauce and a dab of good butter, they will toil in the third circle of hell for eternity.

And what makes me think of glorious baked goods and the soulless monsters who bake them?

Passover.

And the extremely crappy matzoh I bought.

I usually buy an Israeli brand that is actually rather good, but I couldn't find any this year, so I settled for something baked in the People's Republic of New York City. In the hipster heaven of Brooklyn no less.

Awful. Redolent of cardboard.

So of course I stole a box from my parents, but still, Passover is eight days long, and nowhere in the story does one box of matzoh last for eight days.

But how tough could baking matzoh be? There is no yeast, there is no rise, there is nothing but a mandated 18 minute maximum time for the entire process. Yet somehow bakers manage to screw it up.

So I tried. And guess what? it is easy, fun, and makes great matzoh! I used a pizza stone, which I think is much better than the recommended bottom of a sheet pan. But other than that...I just followed the recipe -- sort of -- and the results are much better than any commercial stuff I have ever had.

(If anyone wants the modified recipe, e-mail me at nynjmeet at optimum dot net.)

This baguette recipe is modified from the King Arthur Flour recipe I found on their web site. The original did not yield a particularly lofty or airy bread; it was too dense to be called a baguette. So I changed it to a longer, colder rise, and that worked well.

Classic Baguettes

Starter
• 1/2 cup cool water
• 1/16 teaspoon active dry yeast or instant yeast
• 1 cup unbleached bread flour

Dough
• 1 teaspoon active dry yeast or instant yeast
• 1 cup to 1 1/4 cups lukewarm water*
• all of the starter
• 3 1/2 cups unbleached bread flour
• 1 1/2 to 2 teaspoons salt, to taste
• *Use the lesser amount in summer (or in a humid environment), the greater amount in winter (or in a dry climate), and somewhere in between the rest of the year, or if your house is climate controlled.

Directions
Make the starter by mixing the yeast with the water (no need to do this if you're using instant yeast), then mixing in the flour to make a soft dough. Cover and let rest at room temperature for about 14 hours; overnight works well. The starter should have risen and become bubbly. If it hasn't, your yeast may not be working. Dissolve 1/4 teaspoon of yeast in 1 tablespoon lukewarm water with a pinch of sugar, and wait 15 minutes. If nothing happens, replace your yeast, and begin the starter process again.

If you're using active dry yeast, mix it with the water, then combine with the starter, flour, and salt. If you're using instant yeast, there's no need to combine it with the water first. Mix and knead everything together—by hand, mixer or bread machine set on the dough cycle—till you've made a soft, somewhat smooth dough; it should be cohesive, but the surface may still be a bit rough. Knead for about 5 minutes on speed 2 of a stand mixer

Place the dough in a lightly greased medium-size bowl, cover the bowl, and let the dough rise for one hour.

Turn the dough out onto a lightly greased work surface. Divide it into three equal pieces.

Shape each piece into a rough, slightly flattened oval, cover with greased plastic wrap, and let them rest for 15 minutes.

Working with one piece of dough at a time, fold the dough in half lengthwise, and seal the edges with the heel of your hand. Flatten it slightly, and fold and seal again.

With the seam-side down, cup your fingers and gently roll the dough into a 15" log. Place the logs seam-side down onto a lightly greased or parchment-lined sheet pan.

Cover them with a cover or lightly greased plastic wrap, place in the refrigerator, and allow the loaves to rise overnight till they've become very puffy.

Remove from refrigerator at least two hours before baking to complete the rise.

Towards the end of the rising time, preheat your oven to 450°F.

Using a very sharp knife held at about a 45° angle, make three 8" vertical slashes in each baguette. Spritz the baguettes heavily with warm water; this will help them develop a crackly-crisp crust.

Bake the baguettes until they're a very deep golden brown, 25 to 30 minutes. Remove them from the oven and cool on a rack. Or, for the very crispiest baguettes, turn off the oven, crack it open about 2", and allow the baguettes to cool in the oven.

Yield: Three 16" baguettes.

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1 Gamely waiting..not for the game thread which is up, but for the game roasting nicely in the oven. This Easter we finally went ahead and did our long threatened Elmer Fudd special....one each of duck (seasoned) and rabbit (seasoned). Bought at a farmers market held in sight of a Chuck Jones Center for Creativity, to make the wrongness even more right. Posted by: Sister Sestina at April 20, 2014 03:55 PM (LtUE0)

Posted by: Sister Sestina at April 20, 2014 12:00 PM (LtUE0)

2 Reposts don't qualify as firsts, right? I'd hate to break my streak.

Posted by: Sister Sestina at April 20, 2014 12:01 PM (LtUE0)

3 Everyone knows that your passover matzah balls will fail to rise if they don't have the blood of a Palestinian child.

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at April 20, 2014 12:01 PM (L02KD)

4 in 1989 the price of a loaf of bread went to $.50 I shook my fist at the sky, swore a mighty oath that I would never again pay fifty cents for a loaf of white bread, dug the sourdough cookbook out and began baking my own bread. Two things of note: one, I am a prophet, I have never since that day been able to pay fifty cents for a loaf of bread and no-one else has either two, it took me at least 15 years to regularly make a decent loaf. There is a trick to it, and part of it is learning the cues the dough gives you. The other part is buying a Kitchen-Aide with a dough hook.

Posted by: Kindltot at April 20, 2014 12:02 PM (SZM+L)

5 Love baking more than any other kind of cooking. Even the lowly chocolate chip cookie is a work of art. I do get really cranky when someone posts "The best chocolate something-or-other" on Facebook and it starts with a box of cake mix. Heretics! Burn them! And whatever that shite is they're baking.

Posted by: Tonestaple at April 20, 2014 12:03 PM (B7YN4)

6 I've always wanted a Kitchen-Aide, but I also always felt like it would be cheating.

Posted by: Tonestaple at April 20, 2014 12:04 PM (B7YN4)

7 They are evil evil unholy flour devils.

Posted by: Y-not at April 20, 2014 12:04 PM (zDsvJ)

8 Posted by: Tonestaple at April 20, 2014 04:04 PM (B7YN4)

Kitchen Aid mixers are not cheating.

They were created by an angel to combat the evil baker's cabal.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 20, 2014 12:07 PM (QFxY5)

9 Of course, now that American public have been hoodwinked into believing a loaf of bread is more dangerous than unprotected sex or reefer, those evil baker people have gotten their comeuppance. So that's good.

Posted by: Y-not at April 20, 2014 12:08 PM (zDsvJ)

10 I am braising beef ribs in beer and chili rub. Hope the huge fight I'm having with husband ends before it's time to slap them on the grill.

Posted by: Y-not at April 20, 2014 12:11 PM (zDsvJ)

11 Tonestaple, if you ain't cheatin' you ain't trying! A good mixer is a must. You can spend a long time kneading your bread until you are tired, or you can spend even longer with the bread hook and be fresh as can be. The point of a long kneading is to make for a finer air bubble in rising, make for a finer web between air bubbles, and to make the bread less tough. If you don't knead enough the finished bread is pretty coarse. And if you just let it rise instead of punching and kneading the air pockets are enormous and your butter drips through. You can alleviate the toughness adding either a low gluten flour, or potato flakes, or dry milk to your sponge, but you still have to put some kneading on it to keep the air bubbles small and the web thin.

Posted by: Kindltot at April 20, 2014 12:13 PM (SZM+L)

12 What I can't seem to make are tortilla. Any suggestions?

Posted by: Kindltot at April 20, 2014 12:15 PM (SZM+L)

13 Posted by: Kindltot at April 20, 2014 04:15 PM (SZM+L)

My guess is lots of lard or shortening, and baking powder, not soda.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 20, 2014 12:17 PM (QFxY5)

14 We did the big Easter family meal yesterday at BIL's. Baby-back ribs and beef tenderloin on the Green Egg. Today was a fajita-style egg scramble baked in oven for a late brunch. Baked with sautéed chorizo, red pepper, green chile peppers, crushed red pepper, hot sauce in a tortilla lined baker dish. Fuzzy Navels, Bloody Mary's, Champagne and beer as sides. Mmm-Mmm good.

Posted by: olddog in mo at April 20, 2014 12:19 PM (EKOIc)

15 The only bread baking I do is the box stuff where you add a can of beer. Usually augment with jalapenos and/or pimentos. Easy-peasy.

Posted by: olddog in mo at April 20, 2014 12:22 PM (EKOIc)

16 CBD nice piece.... It's why you can always tell the difference between a Philly from Philly and elsewhere... The sourdough from Philadelphia is unique, aproached only by San Fran and maybe Seattle. Croissants from Montreal are awesome as we'll.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 20, 2014 12:23 PM (TE35l)

17 Hey CBD - Thanks for the thread! In re: Pesach/matzah, maybe could do a food (or "food") thread specifically for Paasover recipes next year? My BH makes an outstanding carrot souffle that is always the hit of our Seders. Or would that be too provincial/limiting?

Posted by: speedster1 on the iPad at April 20, 2014 12:24 PM (noB3y)

18 Kneading is needed to form nice gluten strands. And you really don't want to punch down your dough...just fold it over nicely. That'll do the trick with less violence. 

Posted by: Lizabth at April 20, 2014 12:26 PM (JZBti)

19 We'll well it's all the same

Posted by: sven10077 at April 20, 2014 12:27 PM (TE35l)

20 Also re:baking and Passover, we've been making home-made macaroons the past few years (*real* owners, not those crappy coconut and crap ones in the canisters). Really tasty, really easy.

Posted by: speedster1 on the iPad at April 20, 2014 12:27 PM (noB3y)

21 18 Lizabth, Depends on your goal... But yeah fluff requires restraint.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 20, 2014 12:28 PM (TE35l)

22 owners = ones

Posted by: speedster1 on the iPad at April 20, 2014 12:28 PM (noB3y)

23 I may have accidentally bought 10 lbs of matzoh. Whoops. Currently, I am cooking a ham, turkey, scalloped potatoes, stuffing, and two kinds of vegetables. Yet to come are creamed onions and another type of stuffing. Deviled eggs are done. So is the matzo toffee crunch.

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at April 20, 2014 12:28 PM (N/cFh)

24 Gingy: 10 pounds??!! Oy!!!

Posted by: speedster1 on the iPad at April 20, 2014 12:29 PM (noB3y)

25 Have to ask: why use matzah for that unless you HAVE to?

Posted by: speedster1 on the iPad at April 20, 2014 12:30 PM (noB3y)

26 Probably my favorite dough to work with it the lovely brioche. You can make some many incredible cakes, buns and what-not out of it. It makes a very, very good french toast, but a tad delicate.

Challah remains my go-to french-toast bread. Challah is much easier to make than brioche, so that's a good bread to try first.

Posted by: Lizabth at April 20, 2014 12:31 PM (JZBti)

27 There is much wisdom here to combat the evil. Maybe if I had a Kitchenaid, baking bread would not seem like such a big deal. I wonder what ever happened to my mother's. I bet one of my evil sisters has it.

Posted by: Tonestaple at April 20, 2014 12:31 PM (B7YN4)

28 Sven...no reason to punch that dough! None. Don't roll it our, either. Just daintily push, fold and shape it. You'll have happier bread.

Posted by: Lizabth at April 20, 2014 12:32 PM (JZBti)

29 Agree, Kitchen-Aid is not cheating. There is no way I can knead dough for as long as some recipes call for. I don't have the strength or the time. The KA allows us mere mortals to make things like bread. I too, do almost everything from scratch but the only people who seem appreciate it don't seem to live in my household. I'm just about at the F- it point here.

Posted by: lindafell at April 20, 2014 12:33 PM (PGO8C)

30 Gingy, how much gravy did you decide to make?

Posted by: olddog in mo at April 20, 2014 12:34 PM (EKOIc)

31 Ahh...I can't tell you how many KAs I've burned through over the years. These are NOT good bread-kneading machines over the long haul, not as they're made these days. Used to be, but not any more.

Posted by: Lizabth at April 20, 2014 12:34 PM (JZBti)

32 You'd be better off with a cheap bread machine using the dough cycle, finishing the kneading by hand for a few minutes, then baking in your oven.

Posted by: Lizabth at April 20, 2014 12:35 PM (JZBti)

33 (on the other hand, I DO have a gigantic tub of food-grade grease from KA for the various repairs on those blasted gears, if anyone need some) 

Posted by: Lizabth at April 20, 2014 12:36 PM (JZBti)

34 28 Lizbeth, I was a hell of a pizza maker.... Thin crust needs punching...but yeah love the bread

Posted by: sven10077 at April 20, 2014 12:37 PM (TE35l)

35 I have never used a mixer for making cookies and sweet treats that start with "cream butter and sugar". That really would feel like cheating to me. But it has been a hugely long time since I made bread beyond biscuits, and I can't imagine using any kind of machine on those.

Posted by: Tonestaple at April 20, 2014 12:38 PM (B7YN4)

36 Lizbeth, recipe or link? For Challah and brioche, if you don't mind. My mouth is watering.

Posted by: Tonestaple at April 20, 2014 12:40 PM (B7YN4)

37 Just ravaged the "appetizer" of duck wings, spirited out of the oven whilst the bulk of the body goes on cooking. Daffy gonna flap no mo', no mo'...

Posted by: Sister Sestina at April 20, 2014 12:40 PM (LtUE0)

38 I might have to email for that. How about challah bread? How hard is that to get right?

Posted by: .87c at April 20, 2014 12:41 PM (qZPXs)

39 Yah, thin crust is another animal entirely, Sven. Now I am all hungry for pizza. Danke.

Posted by: Lizabth at April 20, 2014 12:41 PM (JZBti)

40 Found this at the Dollar store. My kind of bread baking. http://tinyurl.com/m7574e7

Posted by: olddog in mo at April 20, 2014 12:43 PM (EKOIc)

41 30 Gingy, how much gravy did you decide to make? Posted by: olddog in mo at April 20, 2014 04:34 PM (EKOIc) --- A buttload might be the best estimation.

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at April 20, 2014 12:45 PM (N/cFh)

42 A kitchenaid isn't cheating if you've learned to of it the right way. If you've creamed butter and sugar together more than a dozen times in your life (or twice), you can buy a kitchenaid to do it and it's not cheating. It's the best appliance I've ever bought and I use it for everything from cookies to cheesecake to choux to marshmallows (yes) to brioche and some other doughs. What a workhorse
 Don't bother with the "bowl lift" models. There's no point, plus it's much easier to just lift the arm to do your scraping rather than worrying about getting the bowl down first. You can get a refurbished artisan 4.5 quart for less than $250.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at April 20, 2014 12:45 PM (QCo5R)

43 WRT challah and french toast: The classic, braided method yields a scrumptious Shabbat loaf, but FT becomes problematic. For that, recommend skipping the braiding and just bake in a standard loaf pan.

Posted by: speedster1 on the iPad at April 20, 2014 12:47 PM (noB3y)

44 There are tons of brioche recipes. I like the 'Cake Bible' (Barenbaum)version and also the 'Cooking with Julia' version. Sticky buns made with brioche dough...oh, so good. Challah, I use the 'America's Test Kitchen  Best Recipe' version. I just googled 'em, and you can find them online.

Brioche is really fun to make. Fraught with pitfalls, but when you get it right, it is just so wonderful. It will likely take a few tries, for sure.

Posted by: Lizabth at April 20, 2014 12:47 PM (JZBti)

45 I've not had a problem with the braid and FT. My crumb is always nice and dense.

Posted by: Lizabth at April 20, 2014 12:47 PM (JZBti)

46 A buttload might be the best estimation. Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at April 20, 2014 04:45 PM That should do it for 25. Nothing wrong with leftover gray either.

Posted by: olddog in mo at April 20, 2014 12:48 PM (EKOIc)

47 You can also "stretch and fold" dough and it's every bit as good as kneading. It lines up the gluten strands very efficiently. Time does the rest. 
I usually do a combination of the techniques, but some people swear by stretch and fold.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at April 20, 2014 12:49 PM (QCo5R)

48 45 Lizabth Not so much the crumb as the shape. I make FT a lot of Saturday mornings from what's left from Friday night, and they're delicious, but I find the shape somewhat off-putting. YMMV

Posted by: speedster1 on the iPad at April 20, 2014 12:50 PM (noB3y)

49 Challah is much easier than brioche. It's a straightforward bread dough to make. The braiding is fun, but you can skip that and bake it in a regular bread pan. A lovely toasting bread, makes a heck of a bread pudding and great for sandwiches as well.

Posted by: Lizabth at April 20, 2014 12:50 PM (JZBti)

50 I see: the shape in that it is hard to flip? Or just looks odd?

Posted by: Lizabth at April 20, 2014 12:51 PM (JZBti)

51 I've always wanted a Kitchen-Aide, but I also always felt like it would be cheating. Posted by: Tonestaple at April 20, 2014 04:04 PM


Nope, not a cheat.  I used it to make my egg noodles in about 9 minutes, including my actual kneading time.  I then used my pasta roller to roll them into sheets for cutting.  It takes noodle making time down by about 2/3.

Posted by: huerfano at April 20, 2014 12:52 PM (bAGA/)

52 50 Lizabth Yes. :-)

Posted by: speedster1 on the iPad at April 20, 2014 12:52 PM (noB3y)

53 Also for those of you who struggle with an environment for proofing bread (or with dense bread), you can set up your microwave as a "proofing box". Just take a glad bowl (like Tupperware) and put about six ounces of water in it. Microwave on high for like two minutes until boiling. 
Proof your bread in there with a tea towel draped over it... with the microwave off. Leave the bowl of water in with it. Keep the door closed.
You can refresh this every half hour or so by taking everything out and then refilling your tub with new water and boiling again. It creates the perfect proofing environment and will improve your bread better than almost anything.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at April 20, 2014 12:53 PM (QCo5R)

54 My lone, remaining KA(old version) is my dedicated paste machine. I love it for that purpose. Those rollers and cutters are fantastic.

Posted by: Lizabth at April 20, 2014 12:54 PM (JZBti)

55 Peter Reinhart's "middle class brioche" is the best brioche I've ever made. Don't really like the other two versions (poor and rich mans) but the middle class one is absolutely perfect.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at April 20, 2014 12:55 PM (QCo5R)

56 54 Lizabth Is it terribly noisy? Daughter and I have been fiddling with homemade pasta recently; I have one of those standalone units. It's a PITA to keep anchored down, but it also doesn't make a racket. We have a KA mixer, been thinking about picking up a pasta roller attachment.

Posted by: speedster1 on the iPad at April 20, 2014 12:58 PM (noB3y)

57 You can also "stretch and fold" dough and it's every bit as good as kneading. It lines up the gluten strands very efficiently... Posted by: The Mega Independent at April 20, 2014 04:49 PM (QCo5R) I actually started taking the raised dough out of the bowl and holding it in both hands start rolling it under like I was making a 2 pound bagel. I try to stop before it overstretches and breaks and actually makes a hole in the center because it starts looking like something I used to get linked to as a prank on the internet and I don't like baking so much anymore for a while.

Posted by: Kindltot at April 20, 2014 01:02 PM (SZM+L)

58 Oh, and in yeastless bread like cornbread, don't over stir or mix. Mix until mixed but not until smooth.

Posted by: Kindltot at April 20, 2014 01:05 PM (SZM+L)

59
I've always wanted a Kitchen-Aide, but I also always felt like it would be cheating.

We've got a Kitchen-Aide...one of the heavy duty ones. We even have a grain mill attachment for it. The thing is fan-freaking-tastic, and will knead cement bricks without breaking a sweat. Highly recommended....but don't get the lighter weight version. 

Posted by: Lab Grown Vaginas at April 20, 2014 01:10 PM (0IhFx)

60 Sestina, You will have a duck carcass left over, with bits of duck meat on it. Strip off all the bits. Fry up some diced potatoes, then scramble some eggs into it, and finally add the duck bits. Duck hash will make your knees weak.

Posted by: Gordon at April 20, 2014 01:46 PM (K8WAZ)

61 Pear bread: Sift together 1-1/2 tsp baking powder 1tsp cinnamon 3-1/2 C Flour 2 tsp baking soda 1 tsp cloves 1-1/2 tsp salt separately cream together 3/4 C shortening 2-1/2 C sugar 4 eggs (add one at a time and mix thoroughly) 2 cups of pear puree (or canned pears) Fold into sifted flour mixture. Stir until mixed but not too much turn into a square 9" x 2" baking pan (like for making brownies or cornbread) Bake at 350F for 1 hour and 15 minutes, or until a knife or toothpick inserted in the middle comes out clean. I freeze pear puree so it is easy for me. You can substitute pumpkin puree but if you use canned pumpkin you need a bit extra water.

Posted by: Kindltot at April 20, 2014 01:49 PM (SZM+L)

62 Sorry folks. It's an art. It took me 2 years baking bread for a restaurant until I finally was happy with my bread. And that was after culinary school plus 20 years in professional kitchens. Open Blogger I admire your chutzpah in posting a recipe, but not the recipe. We use specifically selected flour, liquid levain which we culture, malted barley flour for enzymes that help the yeast break down complex carbs into maltose that it can consume. Old dough from the last mix. Higher hydration than you would expect. Autolyse. Spiral mixers, careful temperature control at all stages, slow cool fermentation, a lot less yeast, high-acid tolerant yeast, gentle hand shaping, commercial deck oven with steam, and an experienced crew. There's no way I could replicate this at home. But you could change mixing methods to emulate it. Multiple fold downs and Autolyses. Try Crust and Crumb by Peter Rienehart. My bakery: farrellbread.com

Posted by: alphabaker at April 20, 2014 01:50 PM (Wfp8t)

63 Oh, and it's a Black Art.

Posted by: alphabaker at April 20, 2014 01:51 PM (Wfp8t)

64 Got lamb, potatoes, and green beans on the menu for tonight...not sure how theyll be prepared yet but rosemary, garlic and red wine will be involved.

Posted by: iNC Ref at April 20, 2014 02:17 PM (3fGLO)

65 Hey guys! Starbucks has an even larger cup of coffee. Once upon the time the limit was the Venti, then they goT the Trenta. Now, in SELECTED STORES, they have the new, larger size, THE REVIENTO!!! (FDA and NIH has declared that this dosage is nowhere near LD50 for most adults)

Posted by: Kindltot at April 20, 2014 03:50 PM (SZM+L)

66 A Kitchenaid is not cheating. CHEATING is a Zojirushi bread machine. I use it at least once a week, and it is still going strong after something like 15 years. I do not bake in it, just make dough and proof with it, then shape into rolls or pizza or cinnamon rolls or breadsticks and bake in the oven.

Posted by: Nancy at April 20, 2014 04:12 PM (JreH3)

67 Alphabaker, yes and no. You are a professional, your stock in trade is identical loaves of bread, wonderfully crafted with no failures, because failures mean dissatisfied customers and people who don't come back to your shop. For people who bake for only themselves, it is different. You get a kerbstone you cut it thin and make toast, or you cut it into croutons and make onion soup. When you make it right you get to preen. Bread is stupid simple. Good bread I admit is harder. But, a craft loaf of bread is going for, what, $5.00? $6.00? I get flour at Cash and Carry, I pay below that but I do have to use up my spare time. But I like baking. Not so much cookies and cakes, but bread I like. I'm not as good as you, but I don't have to compete in your market.

Posted by: Kindltot at April 20, 2014 04:21 PM (SZM+L)

68 I was going to mention that Nancy. Love my Zo.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at April 20, 2014 06:05 PM (QCo5R)

69 Baking is science. Tasty, wonderful, totally fulfilling science. Cake is my favorite and forte', but I make a White Chocolate Tropical cookie that, consistently, leaves every other dessert in the dust- including my homemade baklava made with rosewater. KA is crap now; get a Hobart if you can. My almost 40 year old 10qt just died. I didn't have it for 40 years, but I sure wish I still had it. I'm looking at an Avantco... (because, even used, Hobarts are IN$ANELY expensive) any input?

Posted by: LickyLicky at April 20, 2014 10:19 PM (2hTLx)

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