April 02, 2014

GM is Alive, And 13 Victims of GM Malfunctions Are Dead
— Ace

The headline refers to the fact that 13 people died due to the ignition-switch defect, which would have cost fifty seven cents per car to fix.


The fix for a faulty ignition switch linked to 13 traffic deaths would have cost just 57 cents, members of Congress said Tuesday as they demanded answers from General Motors' new CEO on why the automaker took 10 years to recall cars with the defect.

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But as relatives of the crash victims looked on intently, [GM CEO Barra] admitted that she didn't know why it took years for the dangerous defect to be announced. And she deflected many questions about what went wrong, saying an internal investigation is under way.

Since February, GM has recalled 2.6 million cars - mostly Chevrolet Cobalts and Saturn Ions - over the faulty switch, which can cause the engine to cut off in traffic, disabling the power steering, power brakes and air bags and making it difficult to control the vehicle. The automaker said new switches should be available starting April 7.

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The 57 cents is just the cost of the replacement switch. The figure does not include the labor costs involved in installing the new part.

Barra testified that the fix to the switch, if undertaken in 2007, would have cost GM about $100 million, compared with "substantially" more now.


Obama touted the defective, deadly Chevy Cobalt as a Government Motors success story.

When Ray LaHood investigated Toyota -- a competitor to Government Motors -- he turned the scare-mongering to 11 and told people to stop driving Toyota cars, now. This was in 2010, when Government Motors was/is still shaky after its government bailout.

Of course no Obama official is telling people to stop driving Government Motors vehicles now. After all, Government Motors is officially one of this Obama Success Stories so beloved by the media.

But a Democratic Senator, Connecticut's Dick Blumenthal, is in fact telling people to stop driving Government Motors vehicles immediately.

Connecticut Senator Richard Blumenthal is among those calling for GM to make a stronger statement and tell owners to stop driving their cars immediately. Blumenthal believes GM made a decision to hide the defect of ignition switches.

I guess he feels the need to distance himself from his previous boosterism of GM (see the link).

David Harsanyi tries, in vain I imagine, to explain to our Democrat Front Group Media why this is a story.

In February 2010, the Obama Administration’s Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood told America, without a shred of evidence, that Toyota automobiles were dangerous to drive. LaHood offered the remarks in front of the House Appropriations subcommittee that was investigating reports of unintended-acceleration crashes. “My advice is, if anybody owns one of these vehicles, stop driving it,” he said, sending the company’s stock into a nosedive.

Even at the time, LaHoodÂ’s comments were reckless at best. Assailing the competition reeks of political opportunism and cronyism. It also illustrates one of the unavoidable predicaments of the state owning a corporation in a competitive marketplace. And when we put LaHoodÂ’s comment into perspective today, itÂ’s actually a lot worse. Not only did the Obama administration have the power and ideological motive to damage the largely non-unionized competition, it was busy propping up a company that was causing preventable deaths.

Yes, Harsanyi actually is required the newsworthiness of this to our alleged "news" corporations.

And more from Geraghty, including the media's complete lack of mention of Steve Rattner, Obama's "car czar."

A Google News search reveals Rattner has gone largely unmentioned in the coverage of the GM defective-switch scandal. HeÂ’s not saying much on his own venues, and apparently no one wants to ask him any questions about PresidentÂ’s Auto Industry Task Force, just how thorough their review of GM was, and how they managed to miss so many consequential lurking safety issues.


Posted by: Ace at 01:21 PM | Comments (296)
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1 Thank God the government only took over automobile manufacture and not something like health care that might endanger everybody's life!

Posted by: Steve in Greensboro at April 02, 2014 01:24 PM (bbivj)

2 Of course,the Toyota issue was largely driver error.

Posted by: steevy at April 02, 2014 01:24 PM (zqvg6)

3 GM is dead and Al-Qaeda is running amok!

Posted by: Joe Biden at April 02, 2014 01:24 PM (Aif/5)

4 If you buy, and drive, a GM car, you get what you deserve.

Actions, like elections, have consequences.

Posted by: shibumi who is exceptionally cynical today at April 02, 2014 01:24 PM (25HWz)

5 Sometimes I feel like we are in deep shit.

Posted by: PJ at April 02, 2014 01:24 PM (ZWaLo)

6 corporations are people. people should be held responsible. how about the fricking UAW?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 02, 2014 01:24 PM (HVff2)

7 If they were Toyota they would be in so much trouble.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 01:25 PM (bitz6)

8 5 Sometimes I feel like we are in deep shit.

Take it from me, you are.

Posted by: Ghost of the French Revolution at April 02, 2014 01:25 PM (ZWaLo)

9 Wait- I don't get it.  Our national leaders  and  their  biggest  supporters  appear in Ace's  post  and  the  linked article to be mindless idiots motivated only by their own greed and a need for headlines.  Could that be  really  be  true?

Posted by: MTF at April 02, 2014 01:26 PM (LISuA)

10 The 57 cents is just the cost of the replacement switch. The figure does not include the labor costs involved in installing the new part. You fucked up. You eat it. Period.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 02, 2014 01:27 PM (ix+5k)

11 Let me make this crystal clear, the debate is over. I won. You lost.
But I did not come here to gloat. I am here to talk about matters that are important. Me. And I won. I am a winner. I am number one. Me. I.

Posted by: King Putt at April 02, 2014 01:27 PM (pgQxn)

12 Connecticut Senator Richard Blumenthal is among those calling for GM to make a stronger statement and tell owners to stop driving their cars immediately. Blumenthal believes GM made a decision to hide the defect of ignition switches.

Yet another great reason for politicians not to run multi-billion dollar companies.  Their instincts are all wrong for it.  When they should have been fixing a problem, they were covering it up.  Now that it's revealed, instead of standing up and saying "We've got a plan for this, here's what we're going to do..."  they run away screaming, pointing fingers wildly behind them.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at April 02, 2014 01:27 PM (J79eW)

13 These people that got hurt are just too stooped to figure how to drive just like they are too stooped to sign up for President Obama's healthcare insurance. I had no problems and love our black president and the Affartable Health Care Insurance Program !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Dorcus Blimeline at April 02, 2014 01:27 PM (iB0Q2)

14 "As long as he only had the ignition key." Barra. GM CEO

Posted by: Golfman in NC at April 02, 2014 01:27 PM (/djtm)

15 How this is being framed in Detroit:

Don't just blame GM, blame the politicians tooLeDuff [reporter]: So if you didn't know and the GM executives say they didn't know, who's supposed to know and what does that say about your ability to run this country?

Waxman: This is a problem that GM knew about and they didn't do anything about it.

LeDuff: Why didn't you know about it? You spent $50 billion of the American taxpayer's money.

Waxman: This is not about me. It's about GM and the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.

LeDuff: That's the federal government as well.

Waxman: Thank you very much.

So... Waxman is agreeing that it's the governments fault, but does not seem to realize that HE is part of the government.

Posted by: shibumi who is exceptionally cynical today at April 02, 2014 01:27 PM (25HWz)

16 They still probably won't lose money on this decision even with the deaths.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 01:28 PM (bitz6)

17 I think we should shove Barky up Hairy Reids ass, Barky might like it the Moochelle couldn't find him for sure.

Posted by: Killerdog at April 02, 2014 01:28 PM (eJVn4)

18 I'm glad you posted about this, Ace. People died. People have now died due to obamacare (see AmSpec piece). People have died in Benghazi. People have died in Fast & Furious. And, people just might die from the EPA testing. Democrats: the harbingers of death.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2014 01:28 PM (IXrOn)

19 Glitches and bumps in the roads, is all.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2014 01:29 PM (IXrOn)

20 "When Ray LaHood investigated Toyota" RIP

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 02, 2014 01:29 PM (gOoFi)

21 It's a "bust-out!"

Posted by: Tony Soprano (Chicago Version) at April 02, 2014 01:29 PM (y9dfJ)

22 How's about a little ground-rules agreement? Let's save the UAW screaming for a later post, where we always come in and scream about pudgy fuckers who used to give us a a wedgie in the locker room and all that shit. This is not a union labor issue. There are union labor issues!: This is not one of them.

This is a management and engineering issue. And this is where you have to get on one side of the line or the other. Is it The General, from the 50's, that you've been taught to hate, or is it the I'm=so=individual=I=even=drive=a=Japanese=car high minded idealism, or, will you finally admit...

We don't think Americans can run a company. We don't believe they can be trusted to spec parts, or design assemblies, or supervise safety procedures. We do not like American ownership and management.

Because that's what caused this. Not union stewards, not contracts or job rules. Management.

Posted by: I hear America singeing at April 02, 2014 01:29 PM (xq1UY)

23 And CAFE standards are killing thousands every year. Tyranny. Straight up.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 02, 2014 01:29 PM (CMkNk)

24 I remember the Grimshaw case out here in CA where internal memos indicated that Ford had made an economic decision to pay off the few burn victims rather than perform a cheap fix that would have kept the Pinto gas tanks from igniting in crashes. Plaintiff Grimshaw was covered head to toe in burn scars and the jury didn't think much of Ford's decision-making. The jury socked Ford with $125 million in punitive damages. (Reduced on appeal to $3.5 million.) I only hope that Government Motors gets similar scrutiny.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 02, 2014 01:29 PM (8ZskC)

25 Democrats: the harbingers of death.

They all have blood on their hands. And it washes off with a little soap and water and good as new! Ready to face a new day.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at April 02, 2014 01:30 PM (pgQxn)

26 Isn't there an awful, mercenary calculation that happens every time a defect is found?  Basically they look at the impact, what the cost is to fix it, how likely the problem is to occur, etc.

They don't just do a recall every time there's a defect.  No car ever is defect-free. 

What appears to be the problem here is that politics interfered with the process.  But who knows what lies in the hearts of the people involved?

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at April 02, 2014 01:30 PM (J79eW)

27 Are these cars sold outside the country? Where's the international court system?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2014 01:30 PM (IXrOn)

28

It's a local story. Nothing to see here, move along proles.

 

Posted by: Bosk at April 02, 2014 01:31 PM (n2K+4)

29 Small potatoes.

Obama's directed bankruptcy of GM also cut out thousands of claimants for wrongful death or injury who had judgments and/or structured settlements against GM.  A regular bankruptcy court would have saved these people, but that would have meant taking away from the unions.   So the little people got screwed.

A heckuva lot more than 13 of them, btw.

Posted by: Adjoran at April 02, 2014 01:31 PM (QIQ6j)

30 How many cars do they have to recall? 57 cents per switch yet around 100 million total cost for labor. Sounds like a pretty big design problem if the total cost will exceed that, oh also unions.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at April 02, 2014 01:31 PM (WdbF7)

31 If only the bailout money hadn't been pocketed by the union leaders... lives could have been saved.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2014 01:31 PM (IXrOn)

32 Hey Barry!
Love the new Villa in San Marcos! Ciao baby!

Posted by: International Court System at April 02, 2014 01:32 PM (pgQxn)

33 "Stop driving! Period."

I'm Ray LaHood and I support this message.

Posted by: Paid for by the Highspeed Monorail PAC at April 02, 2014 01:32 PM (1CroS)

34 I rather like "The Democratic Party of Death" myself. Has a smoother sound to it...

Posted by: shibumi who is exceptionally cynical today at April 02, 2014 01:32 PM (25HWz)

35

It was a lot more than 13 deaths. 

 

More like 40(?).

 

And when the lawyers get done, it will be thousands. 

Posted by: rd at April 02, 2014 01:33 PM (D+lxs)

36 "I only hope that Government Motors gets similar scrutiny."

You mean Barky hasn't indemnified them from lawsuits? How did he miss that?

Posted by: PJ at April 02, 2014 01:33 PM (ZWaLo)

37 Don't the Unions own Government Motors now? Seize it and auction off the pieces.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 01:33 PM (bitz6)

38 Toyota needs to spend a shit ton of money. Hire the worlds best lawyers. And begin the burning times by suing the government for more than the entire national debt.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 02, 2014 01:33 PM (HDwDg)

39 Those of us who remember the 1960s and 1970s recall the era in which the institutional left absolutely loathed General Motors and all they claimed that it stood for. And they were damned vocal, loud and militant about it, too.

_Unsafe At Any Speed_, and all that.

Of course, now that criticism of GM has the potential to redound badly upon the icon of the left who threw away forty billion bucks in public money rescuing GM, the left are, with absolute predictability, totally silent.

Fen's Law sees all, knows all, explains all.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 02, 2014 01:34 PM (noWW6)

40

Where is the tolerance?

 

Today an  elderly yoga enthusiast was arrested for "public pleasuring".   Can't we all just get along? 

 

http://bit.ly/1s9gdAV

Posted by: Evanston Middle School Parents Assn at April 02, 2014 01:34 PM (LISuA)

41 David Harsanyi tries, in vain I imagine, to explain to our Democrat Front Group Media why this is a story. *Cue the gale force winds of indifference*

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at April 02, 2014 01:34 PM (yNSNw)

42 Everything Obama touches becomes poison.

Posted by: SamIam at April 02, 2014 01:34 PM (Lh8u2)

43 The 1% are the only ones who can afford new GM cars.

Everyone who died was a Republican.

Look! Michelle's showing her toned arms!

[media rushes away, forgets about death, GM and bailouts, gushes over M'chelle]

Posted by: The DNC at April 02, 2014 01:34 PM (25HWz)

44 And when the lawyers get done, it will be thousands. Posted by: rd

This just in, lawyers kill people!
--Crazy Reporter

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at April 02, 2014 01:34 PM (J79eW)

45 You know what will get the headlines? When a Tesla, owned by a billionaire, gets hacked and they get run off the road.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2014 01:34 PM (IXrOn)

46 Wait till the Asbestos and Pigford Lawyers start tacking everyone on to this.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 01:34 PM (bitz6)

47 It will burn. Boss talked to a guy today and was shocked when the guy said the reckoning is coming. I said wait till January 2015. When everyone gets the shaft for hospitalization the S will HTF.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at April 02, 2014 01:35 PM (/djtm)

48 Meh. The old GM structure, like all the domestic makers and increasingly all transplants, is largely corrupt. This is the inevitable result of a degraded, dishonorable culture, and ours is in the toilet thanks to Liberalism. If anyone things there aren't another 50 or more lethally defective parts out there they're kidding themselves. What I find funny is that these 'tards think the GM CEO knew all about this issue somehow. I assure you - matters like this disappear into the middle management swamp never to emerge. It is absolutely impossible for top level managers to know about every skeleton in every closet in the organization. If they find specific documents proving otherwise that's one thing - but for the most part the vast majority of work taking place, and decisions being made, are invisible to the top management. They want results, they monitor results, and methods are secondary. This is about all you can expect.

Posted by: Reactionary at April 02, 2014 01:35 PM (jfeoD)

49 Don't the Unions own Government Motors now? Seize it, burn it and auction off scatter the pieces.

FIFY

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at April 02, 2014 01:35 PM (pgQxn)

50 This doesn't make much sense to me.

133 complaints but 13 deaths? I think that they are WAGing the deaths.

Loss of power at low speed will make it difficult to steer, but low speed crashes don't cause deaths very often.

I smell Plaintiff Bar!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 02, 2014 01:36 PM (QFxY5)

51 Posted by: I hear America singeing at April 02, 2014 05:29 PM (xq1UY) Ohz? You don't say. That's OK, there's not of other similar issues that were directly related to the union assemblage of the cars. Poorly attached axles, misassembled shit in general. This is a union issue because the union was at least partially responsible for the culture at GM. And that culture included a issue with acknowledging problems and defects.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 02, 2014 01:36 PM (HDwDg)

52 The families should sue them into bankruptcy

Posted by: Navycopjoe at April 02, 2014 01:36 PM (OJLOy)

53 And when the lawyers get done, it will be thousands. Now ladies and gentlemen of the jury, if we can just turn down the lights, I may be able to contact some of the victims from beyond the veil so they can describe their pain and terror in their own words.

Posted by: John Edwards, Esq. at April 02, 2014 01:36 PM (8ZskC)

54 >>>Isn't there an awful, mercenary calculation that happens every time a defect is found? Basically they look at the impact, what the cost is to fix it, how likely the problem is to occur, etc. yup. I suppose I'm being hypocritical here, but the thing is, they'd push this story hard if it were a Bush story, wouldn't they? And this company was owned by the US Government for a period.

Posted by: ace at April 02, 2014 01:36 PM (/FnUH)

55 There's an article linked on Drudge that speculates that most large companies are going to abandon employee health care.

That will be an unpleasant surprise for most... especially all those union fellows that vote 'D.'

Posted by: shibumi who is exceptionally cynical today at April 02, 2014 01:36 PM (25HWz)

56 I was incinerated in a Cobalt. I got better.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 01:36 PM (bitz6)

57 Ahh, thanks fer bemember...(hic) Thanks for remem... (hic) Awww, shucks.

Posted by: Republican GM Dealer (retired)[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at April 02, 2014 01:36 PM (qyfb5)

58 And when the lawyers get done, it will be thousands. Posted by: rd at April 02, 2014 05:33 PM (D+lxs) You make a good point. The lawyers have always been behind he demise of the health care industry.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2014 01:37 PM (IXrOn)

59 That will be an unpleasant surprise for most... especially all those union fellows that vote 'D.' Posted by: shibumi who is exceptionally cynical today at April 02, 2014 05:36 PM (25HWz) the plan

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2014 01:37 PM (IXrOn)

60 F* Earth Day! F* it! Burn it, bleach it, boil it, incinerate it! It's the only way to be sure...

Posted by: and irresolute at April 02, 2014 01:37 PM (RqHWH)

61 If any of you can figure out Wikipedia's stupid editor, the "controversy" section doesn't mention any of this shit at all.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors

Posted by: HR really needs a beer at April 02, 2014 01:37 PM (ZKzrr)

62 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 02, 2014 05:36 PM (QFxY5) IIRC some of the deaths were because the airbags didn't deploy during other accidents. The loss of power was complete and sudden apparently.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 02, 2014 01:37 PM (HDwDg)

63 Every product defect involves a certain degree of risk analysis. Personally, if I owned a Cobalt I'd have no fear of driving it myself, because I do not EVER have my car keys entangled in a giant weighty mass of metal. I cannot stand that mess dangling over and rubbing on my knee, and since the only automaker that ever had a sane solution to that was Saab and no one followed their lead, all my car keys are on little rings, one or two cars per ring. I'd never let my wife drive one, though, since she DOES lump all her keys together...

Posted by: JEM at April 02, 2014 01:38 PM (o+SC1)

64 And Toyota was extorted for $1bil How does Barry extort himself and his cronies?

Posted by: Golfman in NC at April 02, 2014 01:38 PM (/djtm)

65 Critics of my rescue of GM are poopy caca doody-heads.

Posted by: Pres. TFG [/i][/b] at April 02, 2014 01:38 PM (bFFNE)

66 You know what will get the headlines?

Sadly, they (LA Times, I can see it now) will howl for blood and track the 18 year old down like a rabid raccoon.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at April 02, 2014 01:38 PM (pgQxn)

67 "Profits are good" say all. So, what have been the GM profits during the deadly production of known malfunctions? Cry ignorance, redistribute the blame. So, what will be the GM/bozo administration's arrangement via executive order granting GM autonomy, Holder-justice prosecuting the victims instead of the corrupt GM corp, to prevent victims and consumers alike from seeking legal recourse. No Class Action Law Suits: they are frivolous--or cap awards won by victims at $1.00... "I share your rage."

Posted by: Stephen Colbert's stinkin' sock at April 02, 2014 01:39 PM (/vO0r)

68 "Basically they look at the impact, what the cost is to fix it, how likely the problem is to occur, etc."

I've been trying to tell people for years. Not even subliminally. Just flat out stated it.

Posted by: Tyler Durden at April 02, 2014 01:39 PM (1CroS)

69 "Of course,the Toyota issue was largely driver error."

The feds hassling Toyota basically comes down to baseless, bullshit agitprop.

A ginned-up case.

Because it would look bad if Government Motors, just and only Government Motors, were perceived to have fobbed off unsafe cars on the public.

So a perception must be artificially created, and a narrative must be shaped, that "they all do it," and that the only thing keeping the public safe are watchful federal regulators.

GM actually shipped a bunch of Chevy Sonics _without front brake pads installed_. You will never see those kinds of egregious quality lapses from Toyota.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 02, 2014 01:39 PM (noWW6)

70 If Mary Barra was  Mark Barra, hetero version,  this story would be getting hotter treatment. 

Posted by: FEMA at April 02, 2014 01:40 PM (LISuA)

71 .57 / unit? This is like an Arthur miller play.

Posted by: garrett at April 02, 2014 01:40 PM (1g7kl)

72 If any of you can figure out Wikipedia's stupid editor, the "controversy" section doesn't mention any of this shit at all. Posted by: HR really needs a beer at April 02, 2014 05:37 PM (ZKzrr) fnord (ZKzrr) And if you *do* know wikipedia, place your money at the "it will be edited back out within minutes or hours" window.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at April 02, 2014 01:41 PM (qyfb5)

73 I tried to warn you.

Posted by: Ayn Rand at April 02, 2014 01:41 PM (LmP4O)

74

This is such a local story it's disgusting.

It is uber-local, as local as you can get, none more local. It is so local to Detroit that no one outside of the crazy anti-gay wingnuts care about it.


Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz Christies at April 02, 2014 01:41 PM (xggaJ)

75 "There's an article linked on Drudge that speculates that most large companies are going to abandon employee health care."

That nasty little shit Ezekiel Emmanuel has been out giving TV interviews where he says the same thing. And he should know. He set up Obamacare specifically to make employer-provided health care unsustainable. As a stepping stone to a total government takeover.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 02, 2014 01:41 PM (noWW6)

76 @62 - the issue is big heavy keyrings overcoming the spring detent in the ignition switch and shutting off the ignition. The airbags won't fire when the key's off so... Short-term solution: don't put every f'in key you own on the same ring with the car key.

Posted by: JEM at April 02, 2014 01:41 PM (o+SC1)

77 I'll bet the majority of those Cash for Clunkers cars had fully operational and safe ignition circuits.

Posted by: garrett at April 02, 2014 01:42 PM (1g7kl)

78 I have right many keys on my key rings. Maybe I should rethink that.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 01:42 PM (bitz6)

79 69 GM actually shipped a bunch of Chevy Sonics _without front brake pads installed_. You will never see those kinds of egregious quality lapses from Toyota. Posted by: torquewrench at April 02, 2014 05:39 PM (noWW6) My dad sold GM products for years. I've always been partial to GM. However, I'm on my 3rd Toyota vehicle, company car. Love the Toyotas. And yes, I can blame the UAW for quite a few of the problems GM faced/faces.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 02, 2014 01:42 PM (HVff2)

80 Has anybody checked to see if OBL is still dead? This regime has fucked everything else up, I'm not sure he is still at sea temperature.

Posted by: Chuck at April 02, 2014 01:42 PM (dSkY8)

81 Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 02, 2014 05:37 PM (HDwDg)

I am immediately suspicious when I read that some problem is "linked" to dangerous events.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 02, 2014 01:43 PM (QFxY5)

82 I've been trying to tell people for years. Not even subliminally. Just flat out stated it.
Posted by: Tyler Durden

What do you want, a medal?  If every company had to fix every apparent/perceived defect, commerce would halt.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at April 02, 2014 01:43 PM (J79eW)

83 shibumi: "There's an article linked on Drudge that speculates that most large companies are going to abandon employee health care."

Feature. Not bug. All part of the plan.

Posted by: Single-Payer via Cloward-Piven at April 02, 2014 01:43 PM (1CroS)

84 There's an article linked on Drudge that speculates that most large companies are going to abandon employee health care.
I'm surprised they didn't drop it long ago.

Posted by: I hear America is singed at April 02, 2014 01:43 PM (TtEhW)

85 I find it ironic that a Congress that refuses to hold the president accountable for anything expects the leader of a car company to be accountable.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at April 02, 2014 01:43 PM (oFCZn)

86 This is unquestionably a product defect. To my mind it's almost as big a defect as the tiny windows with zero outward visibility of a Mercedes CLS/CLA, or the flat windshield and three-foot A-pillars of a goddamn Prius that require that you bob and weave like a featherweight with a bleeding nose to see where you're going.

Posted by: JEM at April 02, 2014 01:44 PM (o+SC1)

87
And she deflected many questions about what went wrong, saying an internal investigation is under way.

She learned this from Hillary.  In fact it is now the go to answer for anybody called before congress.

 "don't know, we're looking into it, get back to you, mkay bye.


*pssst....she has been at gm 20 years.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 02, 2014 01:44 PM (0Kobm)

88 80 Pics or it didn't happen.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 01:44 PM (bitz6)

89 Thanks to the media we no longer have to strive for Russia's Tsarist Potemkin Village...they spin shit to pyrite anyway....

Posted by: sven10077 at April 02, 2014 01:44 PM (TE35l)

90 "133 complaints but 13 deaths? I think that they are WAGing the deaths. Loss of power at low speed will make it difficult to steer, but low speed crashes don't cause deaths very often."

My understanding is that it's not just loss of power. It's that the safety circuitry to the air bags prevents them from firing if the car thinks that the ignition key is turned only to ACCESSORY.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 02, 2014 01:45 PM (noWW6)

91 Has anybody checked to see if OBL is still dead?

Oh, you mean Ambassador Bin Laden? Oh he's dead all right.
Dead drunk! I keed, I keed. Not!

Posted by: Triumph the Insult Comic Dog at April 02, 2014 01:45 PM (pgQxn)

92 Remember.  You can trust the union label.

Posted by: Soona at April 02, 2014 01:45 PM (MzhHs)

93 To my mind it's almost as big a defect as the tiny windows with zero outward visibility of a Mercedes CLS/CLA, or the flat windshield and three-foot A-pillars of a goddamn Prius that require that you bob and weave like a featherweight with a bleeding nose to see where you're going.

Yep.  Safety standards are making visibility impossible with all the pillars getting fatter and fatter.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at April 02, 2014 01:45 PM (J79eW)

94 Short-term solution: don't put every f'in key you own on the same ring with the car key.

Posted by: JEM at April 02, 2014 05:41 PM (o+SC1)

Yeah....we're talking about LIVs. They are fucking idiots.

My wife got a prescription for short-acting Ambien. There is a little wheel with a clock on it to to help people calculate if they have four hours before they need to awaken.

Otherwise known as current time plus four.

PLUS FOUR!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 02, 2014 01:45 PM (QFxY5)

95 Obama's fault!!!!! *because it's HIS turn now!*

Posted by: Meremortal, something's burning.... at April 02, 2014 01:46 PM (1Y+hH)

96 Obama is Alive, and his test victims are poisoned Deadly tests and death machines /And you thought his eugenics death panels were threatening. http://tinyurl.com/l3yrg9f "Report: EPA tested deadly pollutants on humans to push Obama adminÂ’s agenda" The agency conducted tests on people with health issues and the elderly, exposing them to high levels of potentially lethal pollutants, without disclosing the risks of cancer and death. These experiments exposed people, including those with asthma and heart problems, to dangerously high levels of toxic pollutants. While conducting five experiments between 2010-2011, the EPA exposed people with health issues to levels of pollutants up to 50 times greater than the agency says is safe for humans. dailycaller.com

Posted by: panzernashorn at April 02, 2014 01:46 PM (/vO0r)

97 so on the one hand liberals are angry gm made cost - benefit analyses for cars which resulted in 13 deaths and saved union jobs, on the other hand liberals are advocating ezekielmengeleemanuel's death panels.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 01:46 PM (rDidD)

98

There's an article linked on Drudge that speculates that most large companies are going to abandon employee health care.

That will be an unpleasant surprise for most... especially all those union fellows that vote 'D.'

Posted by: shibumi who is exceptionally cynical today at April 02, 2014 05:36 PM (25HWz)

 

Unions have health care written into their contracts.  Companies cannot just drop it.  And unions are smart enough not to allow the health insurance benefits be removed from their contracts. 

 

My bet is that companies with union contracts will not be able to drop coverage of the non-union members.  If they do, there will be a lot of turmoil and ugliness.  Middle management and front office workers can really f-over a company if they put their minds to it.  Just ask GM. 

 

Non-union companies?  Small companies?  Bye-bye Health Insurance. 

Posted by: rd at April 02, 2014 01:46 PM (D+lxs)

99 Trumka still lives.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 01:46 PM (bitz6)

100 I wonder where the switches were made. o_O

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2014 01:47 PM (IXrOn)

101 94 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 02, 2014 05:45 PM (QFxY5 Whats the diff between short acting ambien and regular ambien?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 02, 2014 01:47 PM (HVff2)

102 Posted by: torquewrench at April 02, 2014 05:45 PM (noWW6)

I'm still suspicious of anything that has the remotest chance of benefiting the cocksucking, soul-stealing scumbag lawyers.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 02, 2014 01:47 PM (QFxY5)

103 @90 - that's correct. But it's caused by having a pound of keys on their keyrings.

Posted by: JEM at April 02, 2014 01:47 PM (o+SC1)

104 @75

RE: Zeke Emmanuel, he's also pretty pro death. And, as I understand it, endorses things like the Liverpool Pathway and generally putting sick people down like pets.

Yay! Change! Hope you/your spouse/your kids/ your parents never get a serious disease that you can't personally finance.

Posted by: shibumi who is exceptionally cynical today at April 02, 2014 01:47 PM (25HWz)

105 22 I hear America singeing at April 02, 2014 05:29 PM (xq1UY)

The dumbfuck unions interfered with management decisions by demanding Excelsior bennies there chum...and no detroit based Americans can't run a company.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 02, 2014 01:47 PM (TE35l)

106

OT, but the UPenn Ladies Moron Horde,  Lax  version, seems to have got themselves into a spot of bother.  They left a very small tip on an $1100 bill at a bar last night.  Oh, and they did a couple of other things.

 

http://bit.ly/1gPvBOB

 

Posted by: MTF at April 02, 2014 01:47 PM (LISuA)

107 While conducting five experiments between 2010-2011, the EPA exposed people with health issues to levels of pollutants up to 50 times greater than the agency says is safe for humans. Good thing they didn't use bunnies or Peta would be pissed.

Posted by: garrett at April 02, 2014 01:47 PM (1g7kl)

108 these 'tards think the GM CEO knew all about this issue somehow.

Ordinarily, couldn't agree more. This is a special case. This scandal has followed her up through the ranks. She did it, she authorized it, she oversaw it, she covered it up, and then she got to be CEO. This could be the end of crusading-woman management campaigns forever.

trslblke, you're screaming. You're an ethicist, or claim to be. Ain't no fucking way Joe Sixpack and his quick toke for lunch caused these cubicle livestock's "Culture."  They're just as rotten to the core as them-who-swink. You know this. Go ahead, deny it some more, but by late tonight you'll be thinking instead of campaigning, and it will begin to bother you.

Posted by: I hear America singeing at April 02, 2014 01:48 PM (xq1UY)

109 Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 02, 2014 05:47 PM (HVff2)

Regular is a 10mg pill that works for about eight or nine hours. Short-acting is a 1.75mg fast-dissolving, sublingual pill that works for about four hours. It's designed for people who awaken in the middle of the night.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 02, 2014 01:49 PM (QFxY5)

110 Unions have health care written into their contracts. Companies cannot just drop it.

They can drop it for the engineers.

Are H1-B workers exempt from SCOAMFcare?

Posted by: HR really needs a beer at April 02, 2014 01:49 PM (ZKzrr)

111 So can I buy one of these defective GMs for a $100 now? I'd risk it ...

Posted by: votermom at April 02, 2014 01:49 PM (GSIDW)

112 Posted by: rd at April 02, 2014 05:46 PM (D+lxs) There are not a lot of Non Governmental Unions left.... But its all part of the plan... the plan to take that 1/6th of the economy that was NOT being Taxed.... and make it taxable.

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 02, 2014 01:49 PM (84gbM)

113 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 02, 2014 05:43 PM (QFxY5) :Shrug: just telling you what I had read. And that was that there was at least 1 incident where the airbag didn't deploy and it was thought to be caused by the power dying.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 02, 2014 01:49 PM (HDwDg)

114 I remember when the media faked exploding gas tanks in Chevy Pickups. I think it was CBS. My how times change.

Posted by: Meremortal, something's burning.... at April 02, 2014 01:50 PM (1Y+hH)

115 It's designed for people who awaken in the middle of the night. That's what I told the Ex-Wife about her vagina.

Posted by: garrett at April 02, 2014 01:50 PM (1g7kl)

116 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 02, 2014 05:49 PM (QFxY5 I'm on the full dose, no wonder why I have the option of splitting a pill. Had been on Lunesta but that shit is expensive even with a decent health plan. Thanks for the info.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 02, 2014 01:50 PM (HVff2)

117 hey, if we are gonna trash the healthcare system as far as I am concerned sooner is better so we can get to the creative destruction and have the rebuilding. it is gonna suck balls for my beloved 97 year old grandmother who has inexplicably voted for obama twice. she must have been secretly in some scandinavian sisters o the klan she never told me about and is atoning for that somehow.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 01:50 PM (rDidD)

118

'You kids settle down back there!  I  swear  to  god  I'll hit  my  knee  against the  ignition  right  now  if  you  don't  sit  back  and  be  quiet !"

Posted by: Family summer vacation in a Cobalt at April 02, 2014 01:51 PM (m2CN7)

119 CharlieBrown'sDildo: "Otherwise known as current time plus four.

PLUS FOUR!"

Does not compute. Could you please diagram the math to attain that outcome? (You must include the words "bunny" and "fascist Tea Party death machine" in your answer.)

Posted by: Common Core at April 02, 2014 01:51 PM (1CroS)

120 @98

Not all unions have health care in their contracts. I know a few that basically get what the company offers. That's all. NO guarantee of a policy. And... they have had to take cuts from management in recent years, and management will NOT even talk about adding guaranteed healthcare in.

Posted by: shibumi who is exceptionally cynical today at April 02, 2014 01:51 PM (25HWz)

121

Tough to feel sympathy for people who bought Government Motors cars and trusted the Socialist Government and union goons to actually give a fuck about their safety.

Posted by: maddogg at April 02, 2014 01:51 PM (xWW96)

122 GM retirees could lose their healthcare.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 01:51 PM (bitz6)

123 Rattner hasn't made a good movie since the first Rush Hour.

Posted by: wooga at April 02, 2014 01:51 PM (fyTqI)

124 107 While conducting five experiments between 2010-2011, the EPA exposed people with health issues to levels of pollutants up to 50 times greater than the agency says is safe for humans. Good thing they didn't use bunnies or Peta would be pissed. Posted by: garrett at April 02, 2014 05:47 PM (1g7kl) Hmmm.... the New PETA? People for the Ethical Treatment of AMERICANS?

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 02, 2014 01:52 PM (84gbM)

125 ot - because I gotta go Massive Voter Fraud Discovered in North Carolina’s 2012 Election 765 voters with an exact match of first and last name, DOB and last four digits of SSN were registered in N.C. and another state and voted in N.C. and the other state in the 2012 general election. 35,750 voters with the same first and last name and DOB were registered in N.C. and another state and voted in both states in the 2012 general election. 155,692 voters with the same first and last name, DOB and last four digits of SSN were registered in N.C. and another state – and the latest date of registration or voter activity did not take place within N.C. pjmedia nothing to see here... voter fraud did not swing elections...

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2014 01:52 PM (IXrOn)

126 I remember when the media faked exploding gas tanks in Chevy Pickups. I think it was CBS. My how times change. Posted by: Meremortal, something's burning.... at April 02, 2014 05:50 PM (1Y+hH) It was BRIAN ROSS, who was FIRED for that incident. He then went to work over at ABC spreading "how to" tips to terrorists. BRIAN ROSS is a threat to the nation, and someone needs to pry that microphone out of his hands.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 02, 2014 01:52 PM (bb5+k)

127

Posted by: Meremortal, something's burning.... at April 02, 2014 05:50 PM (1Y+hH)

 

NBC.   CBS did tailwind. 

Posted by: Family summer vacation in a Cobalt at April 02, 2014 01:52 PM (m2CN7)

128
♫ Look for the union label
when you are buying that cobalt, that will kill your Dad.

Remember somewhere our union's growing,
our wages going to feed Obama, and make you all sad.

We don't work, but who's complaining?
Thanks to the MSM they're paying our way!

So always look for the union label,
it says we're able to take over the U.S.A.!♪

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at April 02, 2014 01:53 PM (pgQxn)

129 accidental automobile deaths = crime against humanity, government planned deaths as retributive justice by death panel = good.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 01:53 PM (rDidD)

130 "I remember when the media faked exploding gas tanks in Chevy Pickups. I think it was CBS. " It was NBC. But, who's counting....?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 02, 2014 01:53 PM (gOoFi)

131 In a Yugo keeps cycling through my mind.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 01:53 PM (bitz6)

132 @114 - no, CBS were the ones that let the plaintiff's lawyer replumb the Audi transmission to show 'unintended acceleration'. NBC were the ones who detonated Chevy gas tanks with Estes model rocket motors.

Posted by: JEM at April 02, 2014 01:53 PM (o+SC1)

133 Boehner and his Joo Boi appendage trying to slip in amnesty to the NDA bill. Fucking scumbags.

Posted by: Alex Trebeck at April 02, 2014 01:54 PM (Cs2tJ)

134 I think I heard it on Limbaugh...are the heads of the union at the table too?  Don't they own the company?

Posted by: Red Shirt at April 02, 2014 01:54 PM (M+evy)

135 That's what I told the Ex-Wife about her vagina.

Posted by: garrett at April 02, 2014 05:50 PM (1g7kl)

Thank you for the belly laugh!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 02, 2014 01:54 PM (QFxY5)

136 Posted by: I hear America singeing at April 02, 2014 05:48 PM (xq1UY) Yep, company culture apparently only flows down from management, never has it flowed up. It's unidirectional. In no way did I say "caused" especially not "sole cause." I said "partially responsible" at the very least they abetted this culture. I'd say they encouraged it. It benefited them as well, directly even (since the various unions often profited off making repairs after assembly.)

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 02, 2014 01:54 PM (HDwDg)

137

While conducting five experiments between 2010-2011, the EPA exposed  older conservatives  with health issues to levels of pollutants up to 50 times greater than the agency says is safe for humans.

 

 

----------------------------------

 

 

Fixed 

Posted by: Soona at April 02, 2014 01:54 PM (MzhHs)

138

I know it's no excuse for what happened, but so many people panic in situations like this. From what I can understand it was the switch getting nudged by the knee, thereby switching off the engine. Woah MG!! Turn it back on. Put it in neutral if its an automatic. Don't throw your hands up and scream, "We're all gonna die!!11!!" Save your own life.

Posted by: Pecan Scandi at April 02, 2014 01:55 PM (cxVzi)

139 Tough to feel sympathy for people who bought Government Motors cars and trusted the Socialist Government and union goons to actually give a fuck about their safety. Posted by: maddogg at April 02, 2014 05:51 PM well, I hate gm and will never buy one again, unless it is bought out by a hedge fund and de-unionized, but the recall covers cars made before they were government motors.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 01:55 PM (rDidD)

140 106 OT, but the UPenn Ladies Moron Horde, Lax version, seems to have got themselves into a spot of bother. They left a very small tip on an $1100 bill at a bar last night. Oh, and they did a couple of other things. I got this.

Posted by: Mike Nifong at April 02, 2014 01:56 PM (mx5oN)

141 137I know it's no excuse for what happened, but so many people panic in situations like this. From what I can understand it was the switch getting nudged by the knee, thereby switching off the engine. Woah MG!! Turn it back on. Put it in neutral if its an automatic. Don't throw your hands up and scream, "We're all gonna die!!11!!" Save your own life.

Posted by: Pecan Scandi at April 02, 2014 05:55 PM (cxVzi)

No, thats EXACTLY what Government Motors people should do.

Posted by: maddogg at April 02, 2014 01:56 PM (xWW96)

142 "Yes, Harsanyi actually is required the newsworthiness of this to our alleged "news" corporations." ?

Posted by: nip at April 02, 2014 01:56 PM (jI23+)

143 actually I am pretty sure tailwind was cnn.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 01:56 PM (rDidD)

144 "Save your own life." Just like those little tags on ladders that tell you not to step above a certain rung "OR YOU'LL FUCKING DIE" these companies have to look out for liability.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 02, 2014 01:57 PM (gOoFi)

145 KCENTV.com

We have reports of an active shooter on Fort Hood.

We have reports that there are several injuries from this shooting. There is at least one patient being transported to the hospital.

Posted by: Pres. TFG [/i][/b] at April 02, 2014 01:57 PM (bFFNE)

146 No, CNN was ASSHOOK.

Posted by: maddogg at April 02, 2014 01:57 PM (xWW96)

147 Government Motors ran Ralph Nader's dogma over.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 02, 2014 01:58 PM (9W+0f)

148 actually I am pretty sure tailwind was cnn.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 05:56 PM (rDidD)

 

you're right. 

Posted by: Family summer vacation in a Cobalt at April 02, 2014 01:58 PM (m2CN7)

149 shit
sorry about the sock

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i][/b] at April 02, 2014 01:58 PM (bFFNE)

150 "We have reports of an active shooter on Fort Hood." A-fucking-gain?!?!?!?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 02, 2014 01:58 PM (gOoFi)

151 http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/04/02/report-shooting-at-fort-hood/# Fort Hood Act Deux.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 01:59 PM (bitz6)

152

120 shibumi

 

What a wonderful union.  The benefits and retirement are what a lot of unions concentrate on improving.  Why?  Because they do not instantly appear on the bottom line.  So management stupidly agrees to buy "union peace."  But they are real handsome benefits that cost real money in the long run.

 

Unfortunately, that leads to GM, Detroit and unfunded mandates that break any company's or government's budget in the long run. 

Posted by: rd at April 02, 2014 01:59 PM (D+lxs)

153 Fort Hood has a muzzy infestation it seems.

Posted by: maddogg at April 02, 2014 01:59 PM (xWW96)

154 No, CNN was ASSHOOK. Posted by: maddogg at April 02, 2014 internets seem to think cnn was tailwind

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 01:59 PM (rDidD)

155 That doesn't sound good. If he moved between buildings as reported, he probably had time to kill whoever/however many he intended to at the first spot.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 02, 2014 02:00 PM (ZshNr)

156 And then, Obama ate it.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 02, 2014 02:00 PM (9W+0f)

157

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 05:59 PM (rDidD)

 

 

They're still asshooks.

Posted by: maddogg at April 02, 2014 02:00 PM (xWW96)

158 Yup, shooting live on Fox

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at April 02, 2014 02:00 PM (pgQxn)

159 149 Ricardo Kill at April 02, 2014 05:58 PM (gOoFi)

Wonderful..."just some more Muslim based workplace violence"...

Posted by: sven10077 at April 02, 2014 02:00 PM (TE35l)

160 Let. Them. Carry. Their. FUCKING. SIDEARMS!

Posted by: Adam at April 02, 2014 02:01 PM (Aif/5)

161 Unfortunately, that leads to GM, Detroit and unfunded mandates that break any company's or government's budget in the long run.

Posted by: rd at April 02, 2014 05:59 PM (D+lxs)


Wonder what the number is with active workers getting checks vs. retired workers gettin checks

Posted by: Red Shirt at April 02, 2014 02:01 PM (M+evy)

162 http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/04/02/report-shooting-at-fort-hood/#

Fort Hood Act Deux.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 05:59 PM (bitz6)

 

 

---------------------------------------------

 

 

Nothing on FNC yet.

Posted by: Soona at April 02, 2014 02:01 PM (MzhHs)

163 Moar workplace violence.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at April 02, 2014 02:01 PM (pgQxn)

164 What needs to be done is climb down off GM's ass and read the actual police reports. DWI is a huge player in several of them.
Second, the steering wheel doesn't lock when the key goes back one notch.

Posted by: Dick (@DicksTrash) at April 02, 2014 02:01 PM (GrtrJ)

165 you're right. Posted by: Family summer vacation in a Cobalt at April 02 hollow victory. I was amazed how someone reported that soldiers were exposed to nerve gas and only got sick.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 02:01 PM (rDidD)

166 http://www.kcentv.com/story/25146842/reports-of-shooting-on-fort-hood

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at April 02, 2014 02:01 PM (pgQxn)

167 I hope they make sure to kill the shooter this time.

Posted by: steevy at April 02, 2014 02:01 PM (zqvg6)

168 http://www.kcentv.com/story/25146842/reports-of-shooting-on-fort-hood Several injuries. Suspect at large.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 02:02 PM (bitz6)

169 163 Moar workplace violence.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at April 02, 2014 06:01 PM (pgQxn)


Soon to be a local story-if it doesnt fit the narrative.

Posted by: Red Shirt at April 02, 2014 02:02 PM (M+evy)

170 The Republicans gave this obama scandal a solid 3 Harrumphs!

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lesbian Outreach Coordinator at April 02, 2014 02:02 PM (5Kf7w)

171 You have forgotten that subpoened Toyota papers were leaked by Congress-folk to the media. The world we live in. It will probably take arms to get back to the path to a virtuous republic, because the GOP will never truly challenge the media and other cultural elites, but keep fucking that chicken in the hope they do. Prudence, indeed, and all, says you should until you truly can't any longer. Just know when to get on the off-ramp.

Posted by: R. at April 02, 2014 02:02 PM (R3fCg)

172 Ricardo Kill: "It was NBC. But, who's counting....?"

Exactly.

I remember back in the old days (pre-alternate media) when A/NBCBS had their 5:00 o'clock news. The top three to five stories were the exact same stories in the exact same order with the exact same coverage bias for the exact same period almost every night. Only the backdrop graphics were different.

It was quite amusing in a sickening pit-in-the-stomach sort of way. Switch the channels fast enough and the anchors were practically finishing each others' sentences.

So, yeah, recalling poor, dishonest coverage from one news agency was pretty much recalling poor, dishonest coverage from all of them.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at April 02, 2014 02:02 PM (1CroS)

173 Guaranteed right now they're holding their collective breath it's a conservative/teabagger/soldier type

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at April 02, 2014 02:03 PM (pgQxn)

174 Eggs, omelets, and all that. Later, all. God bless. :-)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 02, 2014 02:03 PM (9W+0f)

175 Unleash the Shep.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 02:03 PM (bitz6)

176 100 I wonder where the switches were made. o_O ...me too ! ...and where was the r and d ?

Posted by: concrete girl at April 02, 2014 02:03 PM (1YgVg)

177 Yes, there is no reason soldiers, not trainees or off-duty drinkers, but on-duty soldiers, MPs or armed security details, shouldn't be in every building. It's insane what soft targets they are. If you can get on base, put on a PT uniform, you can basically go anywhere.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 02, 2014 02:04 PM (ZshNr)

178 Why can't soldiers be armed on base?

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 02:04 PM (bitz6)

179 This could be the end of crusading-woman management campaigns forever. You really believe that? o.O

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at April 02, 2014 02:04 PM (yNSNw)

180

Let. Them. Carry. Their. FUCKING. SIDEARMS!

Posted by: Adam at April 02, 2014 06:01 PM (Aif/5)

 

What he said!

Posted by: rd at April 02, 2014 02:04 PM (D+lxs)

181 Why can't soldiers be armed on base?

Because a Senator or Congressman might visit.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at April 02, 2014 02:05 PM (pgQxn)

182 Katherine herridge has a report on Benghazi hearing the flow charts she created at thee end shows how everyone, including Mike Rogers, is invested in protecting Clinton on this and how they are all covering for each other

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 02:05 PM (zOTsN)

183 "...because, as you know, the Koch brothers are trying to buy America. " That was the last part of Harry Reid's reaction to today's Court ruling of which he expressed regret. I added the emphasis so you'd all see how easy a lie becomes a 'widely known' fact.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lesbian Outreach Coordinator at April 02, 2014 02:05 PM (5Kf7w)

184 Have not checked into Fox since forever...is the USS FoxNews with Commander Shep on the bridge?

Posted by: Red Shirt at April 02, 2014 02:05 PM (M+evy)

185 Any violence at any place at any time that might or might not be directed to the government is obviously by a disgruntled racist right wing Christian Tea Party member. We're sure that's happening at Fort Hood right now, so there's no real reason to investigate it any further...

Posted by: The MSM at April 02, 2014 02:06 PM (25HWz)

186 125 ot - because I gotta go Massive Voter Fraud Discovered in North Carolina’s 2012 Election 765 voters with an exact match of first and last name, DOB and last four digits of SSN were registered in N.C. and another state and voted in N.C. and the other state in the 2012 general election. 35,750 voters with the same first and last name and DOB were registered in N.C. and another state and voted in both states in the 2012 general election. 155,692 voters with the same first and last name, DOB and last four digits of SSN were registered in N.C. and another state – and the latest date of registration or voter activity did not take place within N.C. pjmedia nothing to see here... voter fraud did not swing elections... --- Want to know exactly why the Voting Rights Act wasn't allowed to expire in the past decade? Because shit like this would have been killed by programs to clean up registration if the courts weren't putting their foot on the throats of the state registrar with regards to purging the rolls. These states aren't allowed to purge the rolls of the known dead, moved, etc., unless they haven't voted within X number of elections. And if the Dims are voting for them, they'll never fall off the rolls.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at April 02, 2014 02:06 PM (APuJ7)

187 *ragestroke*

@stevebruskCNN: Fort Hood has just tweeted "All personnel on post are asked to shelter in place"

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i][/b] at April 02, 2014 02:07 PM (bFFNE)

188 Ft Hood shooting is a murder suicide. Man killed his two kids and then himself

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 02:07 PM (zOTsN)

189 @stevebruskCNN: Fort Hood has just tweeted "All personnel on post are asked to shelter in place" --- Yeah, because that worked so well LAST time around.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at April 02, 2014 02:07 PM (APuJ7)

190 http://www.kcentv.com/story/25146842/reports-of-shooting-on-fort-hood

KCEN live feed

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 02, 2014 02:07 PM (QFxY5)

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at April 02, 2014 02:08 PM (lceO/)

192 Twitter says it happened around 4:30 with multiple injuries and one chest wound.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 02, 2014 02:08 PM (gOoFi)

193 This won't be blamed on Obama or any of his people at GM. It's CAPITALISM's fault. Ask Michael Moore he'll tell ya all about it.....and the MSM will follow suit.... *goes back to trolling MM on twitter*

Posted by: Some Guy in Wisconsin at April 02, 2014 02:08 PM (wq8EJ)

194 Posted by: Soothsayer, Lesbian Outreach Coordinator at April 02, 2014 06:05 PM (5Kf7w)

As you know, unicorn farts power industry and are responsible for all of today's greatest achievements in science.

Posted by: Cato at April 02, 2014 02:09 PM (4cRuH)

195

Why can't soldiers be armed on base?

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 06:04 PM (bitz6)

 

GHW Bush.  None of the professional politicians trust people with guns.  Guns are scary.  Better to have everyone disarmed.  -Remember this was put in place in the Army two years before the "Assault" weapons ban passed. 

Posted by: rd at April 02, 2014 02:09 PM (D+lxs)

196 Well God Damn it....

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 02, 2014 02:09 PM (gOoFi)

197 A friend of mine works there, and he says they are expecting a long night.

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at April 02, 2014 02:09 PM (zT0DN)

198 Jimmy Fallon speaks excellent Dumbese. I just heard the clip and Fallon, in 10 seconds, aptly explained the bullshit of obamcare and said more than all the R's combined for the last 4 years.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lesbian Outreach Coordinator at April 02, 2014 02:09 PM (5Kf7w)

199 Seriously, we can have a lot of fun with this false "as you know..." that they're always throwing out

Posted by: Cato at April 02, 2014 02:09 PM (4cRuH)

200 And now the FBI is confiscating "cultural artifacts."
http://is.gd/BXyTeL

Legally obtained or not, doesn't seem to matter.

Posted by: HR really needs a beer at April 02, 2014 02:10 PM (ZKzrr)

201 DIAF Troll

Posted by: Red Shirt at April 02, 2014 02:10 PM (M+evy)

202 200 And now the FBI is confiscating "cultural artifacts." http://is.gd/BXyTeL Legally obtained or not, doesn't seem to matter. --- They belong in a museum, huh? Top. Men.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at April 02, 2014 02:10 PM (APuJ7)

203 Wow, just saw TB3K. Like a shooting star...

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at April 02, 2014 02:11 PM (ojnk6)

204
So Barra was the executive director of manufacturing and engineering at gm.

Yet....knows nothing.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 02, 2014 02:11 PM (0Kobm)

205 Boehner and Jew Boi are slipping amnesty into the next NDA. Smell it cons.

Posted by: K. McMorris-Rogers Smelly Twat at April 02, 2014 02:11 PM (Cs2tJ)

206 "I wonder where the switches were made."

USA. By former GM subsidiary Delphi.

Who warned GM that the switches did not meet engineering spec.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 02, 2014 02:12 PM (noWW6)

207 So Barra was the executive director of manufacturing and engineering at gm. Yet....knows nothing. Posted by: Guy Mohawk her maiden name is schultz

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 02:12 PM (rDidD)

208 FoxNews has breaking news

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 02, 2014 02:12 PM (ZPrif)

209 sorry I didnt go thru all the comments... But.... "Obama Lied.... And, People Died...." There... very satisfying...

Posted by: Havildar - Major at April 02, 2014 02:12 PM (kduZC)

210 The switch could move by itself to the off or accessory position if a heavy set of keys was involved -- So if the key moved to the off position, the steering wheel would also lock into place. Not just loss of power steering, loss of steering entirely.
 
Kind of a problem, that.
 
GF of a friend who was deployed to Iraq came over one day, complaining that his car (Honda) wouldn't accelerate worth a damn. She had managed to scrunch the floor mat up UNDER the accelerator pedal, preventing it from being pressed down much.
 
I suspect that the Toyota problem was a similar one.

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 02, 2014 02:12 PM (wNF3N)

211 Stay the course. I remember WWII veterans interviewed when Saving Private Ryan was released, saying that in combat, "we always felt as if we were losing, right up to the minute we won."

This is like that -- don't be swayed by the ratcheted-up hysteria, the increasing desperation of the foe. They can shout "En avant! Vive l'Empreur! Viva Ché!" all they want, but if the line is steady, the Progressives will break and run before they ever dare to cross bayonets.

The Toyota driving-while-aged issue was pretty much like the Audi 4000 driving-while-aged issue. P.J. O'Rourke wrote about that in Parliament of Whores.

Posted by: A message at April 02, 2014 02:12 PM (fsHdl)

212 Seriously, we can have a lot of fun with this false "as you know..." that they're always throwing out

Harry Reid, who as you know is a pederast...

("Who" or "whom"?  Fucking third-grade education.)

Posted by: HR really needs a beer at April 02, 2014 02:12 PM (ZKzrr)

213 205 "I wonder where the switches were made." USA. By former GM subsidiary Delphi. Who warned GM that the switches did not meet engineering spec. --- As I recall, Delphi was one of the branches of GM which got intentionally screwed by the JEF during the bankruptcy.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at April 02, 2014 02:12 PM (APuJ7)

214 that was an old story. Here is the latest from the Houston Chron SAN ANTONIO — An active shooter is being reported at Fort Hood by an NBC affiliate in Waco. KCEN-TV is reporting “multiple injuries” and at least one patient being transported to a hospital. The TV affiliate reported the shooter was in Building 33026, which is the Medical Brigade Building. Tyler Broadway, the public information officer for Fort Hood, did not answer multiple calls for comment. The base has been put on lockdown. Preliminary reports were still unclear

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 02:12 PM (zOTsN)

215 Can't wait to see how many are killed by Government Health Insurance!

Posted by: mugiwara at April 02, 2014 02:13 PM (3a584)

216 TBH3K must have been on the tarmac warmed up...record response time

Posted by: Red Shirt at April 02, 2014 02:13 PM (M+evy)

217 I had not heard a replacement part was given the same part number as the defective part, sigh.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 02:13 PM (rDidD)

218 "Want to know exactly why the Voting Rights Act wasn't allowed to expire in the past decade?"

Um, because George W. Bush, on whose watch the Act was re-authorized, was wetting his pants in fear of being called TEH RAYCISS ELEVENTY, and meekly rolled over for it?

Posted by: torquewrench at April 02, 2014 02:13 PM (noWW6)

219 By former GM subsidiary Delphi.
Who warned GM that the switches did not meet engineering spec.

And then SCOAMF fucked 'em out of their pensions. 

Posted by: HR really needs a beer at April 02, 2014 02:13 PM (ZKzrr)

220 GHW Bush. None of the professional politicians trust people with guns. Guns are scary. Better to have everyone disarmed. -Remember this was put in place in the Army two years before the "Assault" weapons ban passed. Posted by: rd started with Clinton IIRC

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 02:14 PM (zOTsN)

221 They say he's in the "Medical Brigade "Building" now.....

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 02, 2014 02:14 PM (gOoFi)

222 Active shooting incident at Fort Hood. Shooter still at large. Base on Shut Down Drudge

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 02, 2014 02:14 PM (nzKvP)

223 If the parts have the same number how could you tell them apart?

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 02:14 PM (bitz6)

224 active shooter in medical brigade

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 02:14 PM (zOTsN)

225

JEB BUSH in 2016 !  for victory!

 

eleventy

Posted by: The Obvious Sock at April 02, 2014 02:15 PM (W6iIX)

226 It's gin and tonic o'clock.

Posted by: DangerGirl at April 02, 2014 02:15 PM (GrtrJ)

227 If you're stupid enough to buy a GM...well...shit's gonna happen.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 02, 2014 02:15 PM (0LHZx)

228 KCEN-TV in Central Texas is reporting multiple people have been injured Wednesday in a shooting at Fort Hood. A U.S. Army official at Fort Hood confirms that a shooting has occurred at Fort Hood, though the number of people injured remains a mystery. KCEN reports at least one person has been transported to an area hospital in an unknown condition and that an unknown number of others are injured. The shooting is believed to have taken place at the Medical Brigade Building. KCEN-TV reports there are also reports of victims at the Battle Simulation Center. The shooter is believed to be at-large and the base is on lock down. Just after 5 p.m., the base tweeted that all personnel are being asked to shelter in place.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 02, 2014 02:15 PM (nzKvP)

229 If the parts have the same number how could you tell them apart? Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 06:14 well yeah, or how would anyone know you made a change, like someone suing you?

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 02:15 PM (rDidD)

230 Of course corporations don't need government regulation just let the free market work

Posted by: Rightrt at April 02, 2014 02:15 PM (XzuSc)

231 Remember military bases are gun free zones....

Posted by: The Obvious Sock at April 02, 2014 02:15 PM (W6iIX)

232 Yeah, somebody probably ought to throw up a "solidarity with all media" headline on Ft. Hood. If you wait for the facts to be in, you won't be one of the cool kids. I am mocking both sides of that one, BTW. There is no "win" there.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at April 02, 2014 02:16 PM (qyfb5)

233 By former GM subsidiary Delphi. Who warned GM that the switches did not meet engineering spec. And then SCOAMF fucked 'em out of their pensions. Looks like Delphi may fuck GM out of a company.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 02, 2014 02:16 PM (ix+5k)

234

Breitbart:  GOP figures out a way to enact part of Dream Act.

They are  absolutely  determined to lose in November.

 

http://bit.ly/1h4qKKg

 

Posted by: MTF at April 02, 2014 02:16 PM (LISuA)

235 I actually kind hate gm because I always thought it would be fun to own a suburban after I moved outta the big city, now I can never own one.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 02:16 PM (rDidD)

236 We have reports of an active shooter on Fort Hood. We have reports that there are several injuries from this shooting. There is at least one patient being transported to the hospital. We are also getting reports of victims in the Battle Simulation Center on 65th and Warehouse. The suspect is still at large. The shooter was said to be in building 33026 which is the Medical Brigade Building. Fort Hood has been put on lockdown. These are all preliminary reports. from KCEN

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 02:16 PM (zOTsN)

237 If the parts have the same number how could you tell them apart? You can tell them apart, but by the time you do it's too late.

Posted by: garrett at April 02, 2014 02:16 PM (1g7kl)

238 I hope they catch the little fucker and hang him in the middle of town, I'm so sick of this shit.

Posted by: spypeach at April 02, 2014 02:16 PM (10H0T)

239 If the parts have the same number how could you tell them apart?

If you don't die, you got the good one.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 02, 2014 02:17 PM (0Kobm)

240 Who'da thunk that military bases would become soft targets.

Posted by: steevy at April 02, 2014 02:17 PM (zqvg6)

241 Who'da thunk that military bases would become soft targets. Posted by: steevy at April 02, 2014 obama is solving that by closing them.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 02:17 PM (rDidD)

242 Who'da thunk that military bases would become soft targets. Posted by: steevy at April 02, 2014 06:17 PM (zqvg6) Probably less weapons on a Military installation than out in the general public

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 02, 2014 02:18 PM (nzKvP)

243 I moved outta the big city, now I can never own one.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 06:16 PM (rDidD)

 

 

Toyota Sequoia, check one out

Posted by: The Obvious Sock at April 02, 2014 02:18 PM (W6iIX)

244 233 Breitbart: GOP figures outa way to enact part of Dream Act.
They are absolutely determined to lose in November.

http://bit.ly/1h4qKKg

Posted by: MTF at April 02, 2014 06:16 PM (LISuA)


__________


Why would an illegal go to the military to get a green card when his chances of being deported are 0.000001%? We have  defacto amnesty already. The GOP is just getting some PR out of it. Can't really fault them.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 02, 2014 02:18 PM (0LHZx)

245 LORDSTOWN OHIO GM PRODUCT:  Home of one of GM's most contentious UAW Locals.  Couldn't happen to a better assembly plant!

Posted by: Maytag Repairman at April 02, 2014 02:18 PM (WUMmA)

246 If only Army bases had thousands of men trained in the use of firearms around to keep them safe and secure.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 02:18 PM (bitz6)

247 Breitbart: GOP figures outa way to enact part of Dream Act.
They are absolutely determined to lose in November.

Listen up Con, who in the Hell is going to pick my apples and repair my Iphone? Huh terrorist?

Posted by: K. McMorris-Rogers Smelly Twat at April 02, 2014 02:18 PM (Cs2tJ)

248 "I actually kind hate gm because I always thought it would be fun to own a suburban after I moved outta the big city, now I can never own one." Get an Expedition. Whatever the longer one is called that's like a Suburban.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 02, 2014 02:19 PM (gOoFi)

249 gm must have a system for assigning part numbers, it will be interesting to see who was responsible for using a number twice.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 02:19 PM (rDidD)

250 God bless those people at Fort Hood.

We need to get loaded weapons back in the hands of our men on base.

Posted by: DangerGirl at April 02, 2014 02:19 PM (GrtrJ)

251 Now reporting three injured soldiers.....

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 02, 2014 02:19 PM (gOoFi)

252 The shooter is in a Toyota.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 02:19 PM (bitz6)

253

I googled Shooter Atlarge and found he's a conservative  Tea Party activist who listens to Glenn Beck, Rush, and Mark Levin.

 

I report later with details on how many guns he owns.

Posted by: Brian Ross at April 02, 2014 02:19 PM (MzhHs)

254 Why can't our MILITARY.... you know... the GOOD guys with the guns, carry side arms while on base?  I will never understand this.  A good guy (or many) with guns deter the bad guy or limit the damage EVERY.  SINGLE.  TIME.  PC is going to be the death of us all.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at April 02, 2014 02:20 PM (jucos)

255 We've allowed our government to disarm us, even disarm our own troops on military bases, and we are basically defenseless. FISH IN A BARREL FOR OUR ENEMIES. Thank a left wing voter.

Posted by: Dan at April 02, 2014 02:20 PM (COpZ4)

256 246 "I actually kind hate gm because I always thought it would be fun to own a suburban after I moved outta the big city, now I can never own one."

Get an Expedition. Whatever the longer one is called that's like a Suburban.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 02, 2014 06:19 PM (gOoFi)


_____________


Ford is still UAW. GM, Ford, Chrysler....makes no difference. All 3 are made by UAW slobs who vote Democrat almost always.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 02, 2014 02:20 PM (0LHZx)

257 Get an Expedition. Whatever the longer one is called that's like a Suburban. Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 02, 2014 Get an Expedition. Whatever the longer one is called that's like a Suburban. Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 02, 2014 I was looking at em both. my preference being the ford as it is "more' American. I had been thinking of picking up a used G wagon. my thought had been get a utility vehicle and have it around forever.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 02:21 PM (rDidD)

258 "PLUS FOUR!" Ha

Posted by: nip at April 02, 2014 02:21 PM (jI23+)

259 Fort Hood live feed: http://tinyurl.com/ms5l24a

Posted by: Coach Jackie Sherrill at April 02, 2014 02:21 PM (r/e1Q)

260 The shooter is in a Toyota. LAPD opens up on a guy driving a Renault in 3...2...

Posted by: garrett at April 02, 2014 02:21 PM (1g7kl)

261 Posted by: Brian Ross at April 02, 2014 06:19 P

Dude! You forgot to add the "Christian" and "racist" bits. You know that's in the style book.

Posted by: The MSM at April 02, 2014 02:22 PM (25HWz)

262 Excursion?

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 02:22 PM (bitz6)

263 the last shooter at Ft Hood was a military man, fifth column because we wouldn't want diversity to be a casuality in our war on Islamic fundamentalists

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 02:22 PM (zOTsN)

264 Off sock!

Posted by: Country Singer at April 02, 2014 02:22 PM (r/e1Q)

265 Confirmed one dead at Ft. Hood...

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 02, 2014 02:22 PM (gOoFi)

266 I've owned pretty much ever make under the sun. And with no exceptions, the American cars have been pieces of shit, the Japanese cars have been bullet proof and European cars, while pieces of shit reliability wise, were the most fun to drive.

Last American car I owned was in 2002. Never again. Never, ever, ever.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 02, 2014 02:23 PM (0LHZx)

267 because we wouldn't want diversity to be a casuality in our war on Islamic fundamentalists

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 06:22 PM (zOTsN)

 

 

hey!

you sound just like Gen(4 Star) Casey

Posted by: The Obvious Sock at April 02, 2014 02:23 PM (W6iIX)

268 "my preference being the ford as it is "more' American." Had and '06 F150 that was the highest quality vehicle I have ever owned. The Expedition is the same basic vehicle.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 02, 2014 02:24 PM (gOoFi)

269 Massive 3,800-year-old fortress uncovered in the City of David The excavation of the Spring House fortress, conquered by King David, and where King Solomon was crowned, took 15 years. Eli Mendelbaum Published: 04.03.14, 01:00 / Israel Travel The biggest fortress ever uncovered in Israel from the pre-Herod period was inaugurated on Tuesday in a secret ceremony. Follow Ynetnews on Facebook and Twitter The fortress, that was built some 3,800 years ago, was uncovered during a 15-year archeological dig in the City of David, one of the most complex and unique digs ever done in Israel. For those who still think the Bible is made up fantasy?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 02, 2014 02:24 PM (nzKvP)

270 I hope they kill him

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 02:24 PM (zOTsN)

271 I would consider, even prefer, a used hummer h1 but those fuckers are really hanging on to their value. even now they are in the 50k to 70k range. I am not sure how maintainable they will be in the long run.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 02:24 PM (rDidD)

272 The Cruz and and Cobalts were all built locally(Lordstown) Robert Morales president local 1714 said "It's a little discouraging"really no shit Bob.They had no problem telling anyone who would listen about the extra cash from profits:YOUNGSTOWN United Auto Workers employees at General Motors plants will receive up to $7,500 in profit- sharing payouts later this month, according to GM and UAW representatives. There is also the front axle problem from last week that forced dealers to pull all Cruzes from the selling line and wait til parts could be available for the fix. As long as the plant is here any issue brought up is swept away as the cost of doing business....what's a couple of deaths anyways-people die every day. This area isn't going change never has never will.

Posted by: YTown Guy at April 02, 2014 02:24 PM (das+y)

273 Nood Shooter thread up

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at April 02, 2014 02:25 PM (lceO/)

274 The FBI is searching for a recent Army recruit believed to be planning a "Fort Hood-inspired jihad against U.S. soldiers," FoxNews.com has learned. The alert, whose legitimacy was confirmed by military and law enforcement officials, stated that a man identified as Booker had told friends of his "intention to commit jihad." Booker, who is also known as Muhammad Abdullah Hassan, was recruited by the U.S. Army in Kansas City, Mo., in February 2014 and was scheduled to report for basic training on April 7. But he was discharged last week, apparently after law enforcement authorities learned of his alleged plan. from two days ago

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 02:26 PM (zOTsN)

275

Posted by: yankeefifth

 

Check out the Large Toyota SUV, the one bigger than the 4Runner.

my neighbos have them, way better than the Fordsd

Posted by: The Obvious Sock at April 02, 2014 02:27 PM (W6iIX)

276 Ayn Rand talked about these kinds of failure happening in socialist economies

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at April 02, 2014 02:27 PM (R/sCQ)

277 The families American car experiences: there's the '72 Caddy that rusted out, as well as the Olds Cutlass Supreme that needed to have some sort of pollution control valve fixed every eight months or so at a cost of $800, sorry, there's no warranty on that work... as well as the the Cutlass Ciera that had something leaking into the oil to turn it white. Then add in the Chrysler New Yorker that had defective primer that they would not fix.. and perhaps you can see why I've gone Japanese and never looked back.

Toyota: effing bulletproof.

Posted by: shibumi who is exceptionally cynical today at April 02, 2014 02:28 PM (25HWz)

278 212 Brandon In Baton Rouge at April 02, 2014 06:12 PM (APuJ7)

In Ohio where they STILL voted for Jugears the clown

Posted by: sven10077 at April 02, 2014 02:29 PM (TE35l)

279 sted by: Nevergiveup at April 02, 2014 06:15 PM (nzKvP) But, that's a fun-free zone! Somebody up the chain is a slow learner. Let soldiers have guns around. They're trained and everything.

Posted by: Meremortal, something's burning.... at April 02, 2014 02:35 PM (1Y+hH)

280 gun-free zone...dammit

Posted by: Meremortal, something's burning.... at April 02, 2014 02:36 PM (1Y+hH)

281 Get an Expedition. Whatever the longer one is called that's like a Suburban. The Exponential. (Excursion)

Posted by: rickb223 at April 02, 2014 02:37 PM (ix+5k)

282 Ace- I'm having trouble translating this sentence: "Yes, Harsanyi actually is required the newsworthiness of this to our alleged "news" corporations." I know there's such a thing as "speaking in shorthand" but I missed that day back in high school.

Posted by: A_Nonny_Mouse at April 02, 2014 02:46 PM (r1FoH)

283 What difference at this point does it make?

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at April 02, 2014 02:49 PM (rFipM)

284 @280 - the Excursion was killed a few years ago. It was a Super Duty (3/4-ton) chassis. They make an Expedition EL which is a long version of the Expedition, and aside from the fact that it's got a mod-motor for power (which I'm not too fond of) it's a very capable vehicle.

Posted by: JEM at April 02, 2014 03:13 PM (o+SC1)

285 @255 - just remember: a) in German it'd be the 'Gay-vagen' b) the Marines bought a bunch. Years ago, long before Hagel was SecDef. (c) It's assembled by Steyr in Austria (d) They're a tremendous piece of hardware (e) And an utter blast if you're prepared to pay to run a G55 but (f) a certain amount smaller than the Expedition if you're planning to tow something.

Posted by: JEM at April 02, 2014 03:18 PM (o+SC1)

286 "There's an internal investigation going on" Hey, assholes, you aren't the government. There is no problem with "compromising" the investigation or whatever such bullshit you think you can pass off like the assholes in the White House can. Guess what ? The people investigating ? THEY FUCKING WORK FOR YOU, YOU DUMB CUNT. Get their fucking ass in your giant ass, top floor executive office and get the latest UPDATE on the investigation. You and I and everyone with half a brain knows goddam well that there are people at GM that know exactly fucking how it took so long. 13 people died. Get to the fucking bottom of it already.

Posted by: deadrody at April 02, 2014 03:18 PM (+Dpo7)

287 22 How's about a little ground-rules agreement? Let's save the UAW screaming for a later post, where we always come in and scream about pudgy fuckers who used to give us a a wedgie in the locker room and all that shit. This is not a union labor issue. There are union labor issues!: This is not one of them. This is a management and engineering issue. And this is where you have to get on one side of the line or the other. Is it The General, from the 50's, that you've been taught to hate, or is it the I'm=so=individual=I=even=drive=a=Japanese=car high minded idealism, or, will you finally admit... We don't think Americans can run a company. We don't believe they can be trusted to spec parts, or design assemblies, or supervise safety procedures. We do not like American ownership and management. Because that's what caused this. Not union stewards, not contracts or job rules. Management. Posted by: I hear America singeing ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ What the fuck moronic shit is this ? This is about incompetence on the part of management. Period. The root cause of the physical problem may be partly engineering, partly manufacturing, partly union due to workers not speaking up, who knows. But none of that speaks to some generic "Americans can't spec parts and run companies" bullshit. Seriously What the fuck ?

Posted by: deadrody at April 02, 2014 03:21 PM (+Dpo7)

288 We need the NSA to analyze accident metadata and identify design/build issues. I'm only sorta kidding. Ford - Pinto gas tank and Explorer tires (jointly responsible with Firestone due to extreme cost-cutting - plus drivers underinflating them and overloading them) GM - $0.57 switch - most like the Pinto gas tank filler tube, inexcusable whether thru incompetence or malice Chrysler - ? Audi - unintended fat feet (owner of an A6 and two A4s here) Toyota - unintended floor mats (pro tip, buy Weathertech fitted mats - they physically can't move)

Posted by: chuckR at April 02, 2014 03:31 PM (w6bKm)

289 Never, ever, Never ever buy GM...UAW thugs run it, control it, and profit from it. You want to buy 2nd hand and not a GM dealer fine, but new and/or from a GM dealer, No Way!

Posted by: IrishEd at April 02, 2014 03:37 PM (bfm04)

290 GM has killed more Americans than the CIA has terrorists.

Posted by: West at April 02, 2014 04:57 PM (4EkUi)

291 Never, ever, Never ever buy GM...UAW thugs run it, control it, and profit from it. You want to buy 2nd hand and not a GM dealer fine, but new and/or from a GM dealer, No Way!

I Love My Chevy truck.

Posted by: Dick (@DicksTrash) at April 02, 2014 05:29 PM (GrtrJ)

292 What was his weapon?

Posted by: Blacksheep at April 02, 2014 05:32 PM (bS6uW)

293 Roger that on GM products. Prior to my Hummer I had never bought anything but US. Bought a Benz this time (and love it), and will never return to US brands, even Ford. Seriously, fuck that noise. I'm tired of dealing with unions that put themselves before my safety.

Posted by: Blacksheep at April 02, 2014 05:34 PM (bS6uW)

294 My father spent his working career as a product engineer for a company that supplied parts to the "Big Three". He traveled to Detroit frequently to meet with the engineers of GM, Ford, and Chrysler (well, back in the day). He always told me... "never by a General Motors car".

Words I've lived by...

Posted by: technite at April 02, 2014 06:55 PM (9PNNC)

295 GM picks up the baton from Ford, like the pinto, killing people needlessly to save a few bucks.  However, since whitey predominately drives GMs and GM is now Obama owned, Lets just call this justice for TrayVon, call it justified, and move on.

Posted by: ron n. at April 03, 2014 05:02 AM (c7HxG)

296

"The fix for a faulty ignition switch linked to 13 traffic deaths would have cost just 57 cents"

Oh, c'mon, that's bullcrap, and you know it, Ace. The *part* would have cost 57 cents. Fixing it would have cost at least $50 per vehicle. (Part, labor - not just the guy in the bay, but everyone else involved in mailing recall notices and such.) Still a pittance as each individual car goes, it's a far cry from "57 cents".

 

Posted by: GWB at April 03, 2014 05:29 AM (Yv2t4)

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