March 12, 2014

How Jolly Won in One Chart
— CAC

David Jolly defied most predictions (including mine!) and beat back the better-funded, more recognized Alex Sink by just under a 2% margin. His campaign staff, which had gotten some nasty shots from "concerned Republicans", stuck to the basics and got their voters out.

Democrats were overjoyed at their dominating presence in the in-person early vote (turning in ballots at an eight point clip better than the Republicans) and were cautious about their performance in the mail-in/absentee returns (they trailed Republicans by about five points in the end after keeping the margin to just 2% for much of the reporting cycle). With over 70% of the vote already in before polls opened yesterday, Team Jolly needed a big Tuesday turnout.

...and he got it, with Election Day voters giving him a 54%-42% cudgel over Sink.

It is important to note that Republicans held their own in the total vote cast before election day. Sure, they got swamped at the early vote nearly 2-1, but that made up less than 3% of all votes cast. The biggest chunk of the vote- absentees- favored Sink by just under 2,000 votes, meaning that the total pre-Election Day vote only ended up favoring her by just over 2%, far short of the gap insinuated by PPP. Democrats have put a lot of stock in running up the tally early. In their first big test of a cycle already showing them disfavor, they failed.

Posted by: CAC at 08:20 AM | Comments (271)
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1 Keep it simple, Keep it stupid, and keep pounding away at it.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 12, 2014 08:22 AM (nzKvP)

2 Jolly good show!

Posted by: EC at March 12, 2014 08:22 AM (GQ8sn)

3 I guess I should vote twice next time.

Posted by: Dead Guy (now Democrat) at March 12, 2014 08:23 AM (pgQxn)

4 What did Jolly run on?

Posted by: soothsayer at March 12, 2014 08:23 AM (IW1TI)

5 FL hasn't been lost yet

Posted by: Stone at March 12, 2014 08:23 AM (qRV1m)

6 Let's not over think this. He won because he said he wanted to repeal Obamacare and his opponent didn't.

Posted by: SH at March 12, 2014 08:23 AM (gmeXX)

7 Keep it simple, Keep it stupid, and keep pounding away at it.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 12, 2014 12:22 PM (nzKvP)


That pretty much describes why I chose Barack for my bottom bitch.

Posted by: Reggie Love at March 12, 2014 08:24 AM (tv7DV)

8 Nicely done!

Posted by: Lizzy at March 12, 2014 08:24 AM (aq/zi)

9 Absentee Florida votes...aka snow birds voting in NY and FL?

Posted by: 18-1 at March 12, 2014 08:24 AM (P3U0f)

10 Wait.
CAC posted something, and it didn't blow out the margins?

Unpossible

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 12, 2014 08:25 AM (si68n)

11 So he did a standard GOTV with no fancy website for assignment, tasks, blah-de-blah unlike some failed national figures that come to mind?

Posted by: Warthog at March 12, 2014 08:25 AM (WDySP)

12 What happened to Ace's Stomp post?

Posted by: rd at March 12, 2014 08:25 AM (D+lxs)

13 Also, didn't Rand Paul send out robo-calls to quash Overby?

Posted by: AMDG at March 12, 2014 08:25 AM (eFytx)

14 Let's not over think this. He won because he said he wanted to repeal Obamacare and his opponent didn't.
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...and that's why we are going to fix Obamacare and Amnesty hard if you put us in charge!

Posted by: The Republican Leadership at March 12, 2014 08:25 AM (P3U0f)

15 His campaign staff, which had gotten some nasty shots from "concerned Republicans",... And who might these be?

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at March 12, 2014 08:26 AM (vd7A8)

16 We should have something plaid in celebration.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit[/i][/u][/b][/s] at March 12, 2014 08:27 AM (0HooB)

17 I once dated a girl with the last name Jolly. Her boobehs were real, and they were spectacular.

Posted by: Citizen X at March 12, 2014 08:27 AM (7ObY1)

18 Chart axis- did he get more votes, yes= win, no= not win

Posted by: traye at March 12, 2014 08:27 AM (iulq8)

19 Ground game wins. Romney's consultants forgot this, or never knew it.

Posted by: joncelli at March 12, 2014 08:27 AM (RD7QR)

20 I once dated a girl with the last name Jolly.

Her boobehs were real, and they were spectacular.

Posted by: Citizen X at March 12, 2014 12:27 PM (7ObY1)


First name Holly?



Posted by: EC at March 12, 2014 08:27 AM (GQ8sn)

21 The names Sink and Jolly provided for great merriment last night. I pray this is just a taste of what will transpire come November.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 12, 2014 08:28 AM (DmNpO)

22 Chang and Eng's granddaughter hardest hit.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit[/i][/u][/b][/s] at March 12, 2014 08:28 AM (0HooB)

23 13 Also, didn't Rand Paul send out robo-calls to quash Overby? Hot Gas had a post saying so.

Posted by: Citizen X at March 12, 2014 08:28 AM (7ObY1)

24

With over 70% of the vote already in before polls opened yesterday.....

 

 

I'm sorry, but that's just fucked up. 

 

One election.  One day.  Absentee allowed for people out of the state only.  This early voting shit has got to go.

Posted by: @JohnTant at March 12, 2014 08:28 AM (PFy0L)

25 I am really beginning to hate early voting.  There is too much room for shenanigans. 

Posted by: rd at March 12, 2014 08:28 AM (D+lxs)

26 Fine, fine...next time we'll save a bunch of those absentee ballots until we actually need them.

If you pollsters can't get the numbers right we can't figure out how many votes to print.

Bastards.

Posted by: The Democrat Leadership at March 12, 2014 08:29 AM (P3U0f)

27 First name Holly? LOL...no. But I was pretty Jolly.

Posted by: Citizen X at March 12, 2014 08:29 AM (7ObY1)

28 I've said it before but I will never understand the voter who can vote dem one election and rep in another or vice versa. I know people like to say there is no difference between the two but I see a huge difference just on basic principals .

Posted by: Rick Enrol at March 12, 2014 08:29 AM (jl269)

29 Why do I get the feeling that Dems are going to redouble their efforts to front-load the fraud? It's like the guy says to the Dean in Old School: "As stupid as they appear, they're actually very good at paperwork."

Posted by: jakeman at March 12, 2014 08:29 AM (vH4YP)

30 THIS IS BAD FOR REPUBLICANS!!!!!! We're running on OWEBAMACARE because its teh BOMB!!!111!!!! HA HA HA failure for LOSER R's!!!!

Posted by: Debbie Whatsherpuss Swantz at March 12, 2014 08:29 AM (xmcEQ)

31 One election. One day. Absentee allowed for people out of the state only. This early voting shit has got to go. Posted by: @JohnTant at March 12, 2014 12:28 PM (PFy0L) Early voting warps the election. I hate it.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 12, 2014 08:30 AM (nzKvP)

32 Ground game wins. Romney's consultants forgot this, or never knew it.
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Meh, winning isn't everything.

And now Lombardi quotes either.

Posted by: Mitt Romney at March 12, 2014 08:30 AM (P3U0f)

33 I'm still in a good mood over it. To be there, volunteering for CAC's calling of the race, during a victory was a helluva lot of fun.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 12, 2014 08:30 AM (da5Wo)

34 Russia has a very large troop build up on the Ukrainian border. Raymond Pritchett ‏@Galrahn Either Russia is about to invade Ukraine after March 16, or Putin is spending hundreds of millions on a military build up bluff.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 12, 2014 08:30 AM (ZPrif)

35 Early voting/absentee voting = Dem thievery of elections

Posted by: Citizen X at March 12, 2014 08:30 AM (7ObY1)

36 I'm no Rand Paul supporter but some portion of credit ought to go to his late robo-call effort on behalf of Jolly over the libertarian. If the Election Day vote was critical, and it was, the Jolly campaign needed to initiate the third party drain and Paul probably was a great help.

Posted by: MTF at March 12, 2014 08:31 AM (F58x4)

37 I see from the chart that he won because he got the most votes, interesting. So the later people voted the more likely they cast an anti Obamacare bite. Whoops dems, November is later.

Posted by: traye at March 12, 2014 08:31 AM (iulq8)

38 Keep pounding on Obamacare - relentlessly.

The Dimtards are pointing to all kinds of national polls that say people want to "fix" O'Care rather than repeal it.  It's bullshit.  Even with the delays, voters know ACA is a POS law.  Hammer on Obamacare.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 12, 2014 08:31 AM (Z7PrM)

39 34 Russia has a very large troop build up on the Ukrainian border.
Raymond Pritchett ‏@Galrahn
Either Russia is about to invade Ukraine after March 16, or Putin is spending hundreds of millions on a military build up bluff.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 12, 2014 12:30 PM (ZPrif)


It's not like he has anything to fear from Obama.

Posted by: joncelli at March 12, 2014 08:31 AM (RD7QR)

40 Either Russia is about to invade Ukraine after March 16, or Putin is spending hundreds of millions on a military build up bluff.
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By reading Putin's social media outlets we can verify he will not invade the Ukraine...he hasn't even posted any LOLcats Kiev so we take this as definitive.

Posted by: The CIA at March 12, 2014 08:31 AM (P3U0f)

41 candidates take note

David Jolly on the Issues:
"Immigration-

We need to secure our borders. To discuss comprehensive immigration reform while we continue to have a porous border where more people can continue to enter our country illegally ultimately ignores the very basic principle that people in our country illegally should not be given special treatment over those who have been patiently waiting in their country of origin to enter our country legally."

Posted by: noone, really [/i] [/b] at March 12, 2014 08:32 AM (5ikDv)

42 " needed to initiate the third party drain and Paul probably was a great help." I meant to say "minimize" not "initiate". I blame Apple auto-complete.

Posted by: MTF at March 12, 2014 08:32 AM (F58x4)

43 Either Russia is about to invade Ukraine after March 16, or Putin is spending hundreds of millions on a military build up bluff.


Once he seizes all those oil/gas pipelines, it's no big deal.


Posted by: EC at March 12, 2014 08:32 AM (GQ8sn)

44 I am a Rand supporter to a degree, and I'm glad he did the right thing. Would his father have done the same? Experience says no. As long as Rand avoids the sins of the father, I''m liking him more and more.

Posted by: Citizen X at March 12, 2014 08:32 AM (7ObY1)

45 * pokes head in through door * Say..., have any of you folk seen an airplane around here?

Posted by: Malaysia Airlines at March 12, 2014 08:32 AM (aDwsi)

46 45 * pokes head in through door *

Say..., have any of you folk seen an airplane around here?

Posted by: Malaysia Airlines at March 12, 2014 12:32 PM (aDwsi)


Check your pants!

Posted by: joncelli at March 12, 2014 08:33 AM (RD7QR)

47 CAC, any idea who the Libertarian most likely pulled votes from in this race?

Posted by: DangerGirl and her Sanity Prod (tm) at March 12, 2014 08:33 AM (LP0Fj)

48 The problem is that we live in a convenience generation. Early voting will grow dramatically in the future. And we'll probably end up with Internet voting down the road too. And I'm sure that will be completely above-board and reliable.

Posted by: rfichoke at March 12, 2014 08:34 AM (2G73v)

49 Say..., have any of you folk seen an airplane around here? We don't have no steenking airplanes. Can I interest you in a sassy toaster?

Posted by: Citizen X at March 12, 2014 08:34 AM (7ObY1)

50 Well that was unexpected. And my defeat arrived uncontested.

Posted by: Alex Sink at March 12, 2014 08:34 AM (Aif/5)

51 And so it begins... I'd still like to see a veto-proof Pubbie Senate that would begin impeachment proceedings and dismantle TFG's agenda starting in January of 2015. A Boy can dream.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit[/i][/u][/b][/s] at March 12, 2014 08:34 AM (0HooB)

52 And we'll probably end up with Internet voting down the road too.
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YESSSSS!!!!!

Posted by: Ron Paul at March 12, 2014 08:35 AM (P3U0f)

53 but who will win the recount?

Posted by: redc1c4 at March 12, 2014 08:35 AM (q+fqH)

54 Republicans don't win recounts. Ever. That's not how it works.

Posted by: Citizen X at March 12, 2014 08:35 AM (7ObY1)

55 The DemocRats voted early, but forgot to vote often. Stoopidz

Posted by: Team Chicago at March 12, 2014 08:35 AM (nbGZj)

56 53 but who will win the recount?

Posted by: redc1c4 at March 12, 2014 12:35 PM (q+fqH)


The candidate with the biggest trunk.

Posted by: joncelli at March 12, 2014 08:36 AM (RD7QR)

57 I'd still like to see a veto-proof Pubbie Senate that would begin impeachment proceedings and dismantle TFG's agenda starting in January of 2015.
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HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

That's some funny stuff right there.

Give me the votes and I'll make sure a certain tea party gets the old heave ho, but Barry? He's an ok guy.


Posted by: Mitch McConnell at March 12, 2014 08:36 AM (P3U0f)

58 Let's get back to talking about my 2016 Presidential run. I will wear my Yoga Pants you guys!

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at March 12, 2014 08:36 AM (32Ze2)

59 53 but who will win the recount?

tanned , rested and ready

Posted by: Hanging Chad [/i] [/b] at March 12, 2014 08:36 AM (5ikDv)

60 Posted by: rfichoke at March 12, 2014 12:34 PM (2G73v) The key is to mobilize as many voters as possible via whatever means you have. Democrats (trying to get LIVs) focus on early voting and absentee ballot voting. Republicans tend to focus more on election day (I suspect this comes in part from appreciation of the system itself, but I digress.) You're right that we'll have to mobilize more voters in the early voting period (or simply eliminate it and/or reign it in as some have called or because it leads to "political ignorance" to use one of the VC guy's terms). But the key will still be mobilizing voters, which was done here.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at March 12, 2014 08:37 AM (HDwDg)

61 I remember Sink Onion on MSNBC. He sucked.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 12, 2014 08:37 AM (oFCZn)

62 @34 - that may just be to make sure the Ukrainians don't try anything in response. I think Putin's got most of what he wants at this point, but if the Ukrainians fight back he'll take the rest of the place without a thought. And we'll do nothing, because we can do nothing, and because Obama's decided (was there ever any question?) that paying off his grievance groups is more important than a credible military. If this scares Western Europe into vacuum-bagging their Greens and getting the frack on, then in the end it will work to the West's advantage. I'm not confident.

Posted by: JEM at March 12, 2014 08:37 AM (o+SC1)

63

I once dated a girl with the last name Jolly.



Her boobehs were real, and they were spectacular.

-

Rule 34

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 12, 2014 08:37 AM (eoeps)

64 Jim Hoft ‏@gatewaypundit UPDATEÂ… Malaysian Authorities: We Have No Idea Which Way Missing Plane Was Heading http://shar.es/R4RQ7 via @gatewaypundit

Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 12, 2014 08:37 AM (ZPrif)

65 Rrrrrroooooowwwwwwrrrrrrrrrrrr! Quick! Quick! Was that an airplane passing through?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at March 12, 2014 08:37 AM (HsTG8)

66 Remember all of those stupid web ads that paired a picture of Obama and McCain next to each other with buttons to vote? That's how we'll be voting at some point and every doofus sitting in his underwear and drinking beer will be clicking on the pop-culture candidate.

Posted by: rfichoke at March 12, 2014 08:37 AM (2G73v)

67

I once dated a girl with the last name Jolly.



Her boobehs were real, and they were spectacular.

Pics or it didn't happen.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 12, 2014 08:37 AM (DrWcr)

68 Breaking News: We Are, Ummm, Kinda Retarded.

Posted by: Malaysian Military and Govt at March 12, 2014 08:38 AM (ZPrif)

69 The fallacy at looking at early vote counts is that there is an inherent assumption that people vote the way they are registered. It isn't always that way.

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at March 12, 2014 08:38 AM (zT0DN)

70 I will wear my Yoga Pants you guys!

Posted by: Hillary Clinton

...in a manner reminiscent of Jenjis Khan.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at March 12, 2014 08:38 AM (P7Wsr)

71 MC: boy, this Obamacare thing is bad! Audience: how bad is it? MC: It's so bad that .....

Posted by: Mooch at March 12, 2014 08:38 AM (611Rk)

72 So, Jolly did not have Boehner, nor Jeb's support (only Jeb later on). Moral of the story? GOP establishment cannot be trusted, nor counted on.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 12, 2014 08:38 AM (IXrOn)

73 And why so many absentee votes?

Posted by: DangerGirl and her Sanity Prod (tm) at March 12, 2014 08:39 AM (qBtUE)

74 He also won despite tickling the third rail of Social Security in a district with a heavy elderly demographic.

Posted by: Jean at March 12, 2014 08:39 AM (Aqvh6)

75 I'll be excited about this "W" when and if Jolly votes for someone other than John Boner as Speaker. If he doesn't it is the same old, same old. Meet the new republican same as the old republican.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 12, 2014 08:39 AM (HVff2)

76 Charlie Rangel Gas Main Explosion In Harlem: “Our Communities 9/11″ 1 Dead. 16 Injured. Easy to compare it to 9/11. Weasel Zippers: What an asshole

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 12, 2014 08:39 AM (nzKvP)

77 @41 - that's exactly the right thing to say for any Republican between now and November, no less and certainly no more. Let it stand at that. Now, let us bow our heads and pray that, having SAID the right thing in his campaign, he's prepared to live that when Boehner grabs him by the lapel.

Posted by: JEM at March 12, 2014 08:39 AM (o+SC1)

78 13 Also, didn't Rand Paul send out robo-calls to quash Overby? Posted by: AMDG at March 12, 2014 12:25 PM (eFytx) By the way, do we now know that Overby is a committed liberal/Democrat? That's always the way these things work.

Posted by: AmishDude at March 12, 2014 08:39 AM (T0NGe)

79 Posted by: Ron Paul at March 12, 2014 12:35 PM (P3U0f) Now that's funny.

Posted by: rfichoke at March 12, 2014 08:39 AM (2G73v)

80 66 Remember all of those stupid web ads that paired a picture of Obama and McCain next to each other with buttons to vote? That's how we'll be voting at some point and every doofus sitting in his underwear and drinking beer will be clicking on the pop-culture candidate.

Posted by: rfichoke at March 12, 2014 12:37 PM (2G73v)


I don't wear underwear when I drink beer!

Posted by: joncelli at March 12, 2014 08:40 AM (RD7QR)

81 Good for Jolly.  This is repeatable all across the nation.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, We Be Bossy at March 12, 2014 08:40 AM (kXoT0)

82

Posted by: Citizen X at March 12, 2014 12:27 PM (7ObY1)

 

How's the weather there, X?  Did you guys get your free pizza yet?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 12, 2014 08:40 AM (zF6Iw)

83 " needed to initiate the third party drain and Paul probably was a great help." I meant to say "minimize" not "initiate". I blame Apple auto-complete. Posted by: MTF at March 12, 2014 12:32 PM (F58x4) Corrected for accuracy.

Posted by: © Sponge at March 12, 2014 08:40 AM (xmcEQ)

84 Audience: how bad is it?

MC: It's so bad that .....

Posted by: Mooch

It's so bad that my husband turned into a gecko.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i][/b] at March 12, 2014 08:40 AM (Y/M/K)

85 off topic 2 dead, dozen missing after blast collapses 2 NYC buildings Officials: Our first indication of a gas leak was at 9:15 this morning. Mayor De Blasio says there is no indication of foul play. NYPost http://tinyurl.com/nbo94lw ...IF gas line infrastructural inspections and maintenance were fraudulently performed, that is absolutely foul.

Posted by: panzernashorn at March 12, 2014 08:40 AM (MhA4j)

86 Whoaaaa.  Uhhhh .... I, for one, welcome our new conservative overlords ....

where's the clip, dude ....hungry ...

Posted by: Chris M., Baked At MSLSD at March 12, 2014 08:40 AM (JBggj)

87 By the way, do we now know that Overby is a committed liberal/Democrat? That's always the way these things work.

Shadow campaign?

Posted by: WUT?[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at March 12, 2014 08:40 AM (P7Wsr)

88 I understand what CAC is trying to say here. But since 2010, there has been one consistent message that has won. REPEAL OBAMACARE. I really don't think anything else has to be said. That line won't win every seat, but if it is said and repeated it will win the majority. Perhaps if we had nominated a presidential candidate who could have credibly made that argument.

Posted by: SH at March 12, 2014 08:41 AM (gmeXX)

89 Now is the perfect time to express our growing concern over Global Warming.

Posted by: GOP at March 12, 2014 08:41 AM (pgQxn)

90 * pokes head in through door * Say..., have any of you folk seen an airplane around here? Posted by: Malaysia Airlines Check with Lizard Lick Towing. Those dudes will repo anything!

Posted by: rickb223 at March 12, 2014 08:41 AM (xorT2)

91 Yeah... I'll wear my Yoga Pants.... BTW, What's a Moose Knuckle?

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at March 12, 2014 08:41 AM (32Ze2)

92 But Obama was on Funny Or Die. And 100 million billion people watched it. Which shows that Americans, especially young Americans love Obama, Democrats and Obamacare. So this election means nothing. - MSM

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 12, 2014 08:41 AM (0LHZx)

93 nice win! now it's time for Jolly to fall inline with boehner and start boning over anyone with tea party ties! yay!

Posted by: hack at March 12, 2014 08:41 AM (168MX)

94 That's how we'll be
voting at some point and every doofus sitting in his underwear and
drinking beer will be clicking on the pop-culture candidate.
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Oh, don't worry about how they think they voted...

Speaking of which Hillary, what is your position on that merger we were interested in?

Posted by: Comcast at March 12, 2014 08:41 AM (P3U0f)

95 Early voting warps the election. I hate it.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 12, 2014 12:30 PM (nzKvP)

That and cross over voting in primaries.  Why do we allow the Dims to pick their opponent?

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, We Be Bossy at March 12, 2014 08:42 AM (kXoT0)

96 Plus if you stay on message of Repeal Obamacare, you avoid the temptation to say something stupid.

Posted by: SH at March 12, 2014 08:43 AM (gmeXX)

97 Say..., have any of you folk seen an airplane around here?

What are you going to do about it?

Posted by: Zklpxk at March 12, 2014 08:43 AM (ZKzrr)

98 Good news. Any time a Dem loses the US is better off, or at least not worse off. And imagine how big Jolly's win would have been if not for all the dead people and bums voting in multiple precincts.

Posted by: Reactionary at March 12, 2014 08:43 AM (8NsSj)

99 But since 2010, there has been one consistent message that has won. REPEAL OBAMACARE.
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...and the fact that the Republican leadership has failed to pursue this in any meaningful way speaks to the fact that they would rather lose then have to actually pare back the size of government.

Boehner etc all want to control Obama's Leviathan, not roll it back...

Posted by: 18-1 at March 12, 2014 08:44 AM (P3U0f)

100 47 CAC, any idea who the Libertarian most likely pulled votes from in this race? Posted by: DangerGirl and her Sanity Prod (tm) at March 12, 2014 12:33 PM (LP0Fj) Despite what exit polls say, the purpose of a 3rd party candidate is to prevent scrutiny of the liberal. So people who would ordinarily want to punish the liberal can say "a pox on both their houses" and feel good about themselves. In principle, it can be done to help conservatives. In practice it isn't.

Posted by: AmishDude at March 12, 2014 08:44 AM (T0NGe)

101 Have a horry jorry clistmas!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at March 12, 2014 08:44 AM (HsTG8)

102 How's the weather there, X? Did you guys get your free pizza yet? Yep, chowin' down now, Travel bans are in effect. Snow stopped for now, but all the forecasts said it would stop for an hour or two and then the shit was really going to hit the fan. So, we're waiting...

Posted by: Citizen X at March 12, 2014 08:44 AM (7ObY1)

103 Agree or Disagree? The Republican 'leadership' secretly wanted Jolly to lose for two reasons: 1) to show that R candidates cannot win without the help of the GOP Establishment, and 2) to show that R candidates cannot win by running on repealing obamacare and opposing obamnesty.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 12, 2014 08:44 AM (IW1TI)

104 Plus if you stay on message of Repeal Obamacare, you avoid the temptation to say something stupid.

We must repeal Obamacare so the lizard people don't get our precious bodily fluids!

Bonhomme for Prez 2016!

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at March 12, 2014 08:45 AM (P7Wsr)

105 Can a planeload full of people just vanish into thi air? It can if it's flying in...The Twilight Zone.

Posted by: Zombie Rod Serling at March 12, 2014 08:46 AM (7ObY1)

106 69 The fallacy at looking at early vote counts is that there is an inherent assumption that people vote the way they are registered. It isn't always that way. Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at March 12, 2014 12:38 PM (zT0DN) ___________ True, 100% of Dems won't vote Dem and 100% of Reps won't vote Rep. But the % is in the mid 90s for both sides. Early voters are the most partisan voters. They can't wait to go vote for their team...err I mean their party.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 12, 2014 08:46 AM (0LHZx)

107 Plus if you stay on message of Repeal Obamacare, you avoid the temptation to say something stupid. Posted by: SH at March 12, 2014 12:43 PM (gmeXX) Exactly. As I said above: Keep it simple and pound away at it

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 12, 2014 08:46 AM (nzKvP)

108 That and cross over voting in primaries. Why do we allow the Dims to pick their opponent? We can't do that down here, which is the only reason I'm registered as a Pubbie here. I was Independent back home in Alabama.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit[/i][/u][/b][/s] at March 12, 2014 08:46 AM (0HooB)

109 Posted by: AmishDude at March 12, 2014 12:44 PM (T0NGe) Eh, you need to at least pretend to be ideologically in the same vein though. I'm not going to vote for a socialist just to punish a GOPe candidate. This is why libertarians TEND to draw more from conservatives (Except maybe when drug issues crop up.)

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at March 12, 2014 08:47 AM (HDwDg)

110 Email just dispatched to PPP: ------------------- Re : http://www.scribd.com/doc/211686403/FL-13-PPP-for-LCV-March-2014 I want to offer my congratulations regarding your polling methodology, and conclusions derived from the same. Keep up the good work. It is apparent to me that your methods and perspective produce bias-free results, without any taint of 'push'. After all, you're all about integrity, right? Regards, Mike Hammer

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 12, 2014 08:47 AM (aDwsi)

111 That and cross over voting in primaries. Why do we allow the Dims to pick their opponent? Here in SC, the Republican establishment is in on it. We've tried to go to closed primaries through the courts, we've tried it through our Republican legislature. We're blocked.

Posted by: rfichoke at March 12, 2014 08:48 AM (2G73v)

112 So... almost 3/4ths of the vote had NO check on who actually voted? Who filled out the form? THAT is disturbing...

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 12, 2014 08:48 AM (84gbM)

113 >> ..and were cautious about their performance in the mail-in/absentee returns<<

Mostly because the "new" Democrat GOTV operation functions largely on fraud and signing up dead people.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 12, 2014 08:49 AM (GGCsk)

114 41 candidates take note David Jolly on the Issues: "Immigration- We need to secure our borders. To discuss comprehensive immigration reform while we continue to have a porous border where more people can continue to enter our country illegally ultimately ignores the very basic principle that people in our country illegally should not be given special treatment over those who have been patiently waiting in their country of origin to enter our country legally." Posted by: noone, really at March 12, 2014 12:32 ------------------------------- That is precisely what I want to hear out of our candidates.

Posted by: irright at March 12, 2014 08:49 AM (Ze8oh)

115 Whoever it was who said that we should always vote for a Republican, any Republican, so that there are delicious Democrat tears may have hit upon the best possible argument for why to always vote for the Republican candidate. Gah. I hate early voting with a passion. Mommy and I get in an argument every election cycle because she and my dad always vote absentee. Now, my dad gets around okay but with his Parkinson's using the new voting machines is hard on him so I get it for him. But Mommy is fine. She just likes taking her time to get her ballot right. I don't think convenience is a good enough reason to vote absentee.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at March 12, 2014 08:49 AM (VtjlW)

116 By reading Putin's social media outlets we can verify he will not invade the Ukraine...he hasn't even posted any LOLcats Kiev so we take this as definitive. Posted by: The CIA at March 12, 2014 12:31 PM (P3U0f) hehe

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 12, 2014 08:49 AM (IXrOn)

117 True story...

My mom and dad live in FL-13.  While Jolly was winning, my dad was going into the operating room in Singapore to have his gallbladder removed.  I can't wait to tell him that his new rep isn't Alex Sink.  He can't stand her, but was convinced she would win.

I'll probably get to talk to him again on Friday.  This ought to help his recovery.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 12, 2014 08:49 AM (79sHi)

118 Eh, you need to at least pretend to be ideologically in the same vein though. I'm not going to vote for a socialist just to punish a GOPe candidate. But lots of people will vote for an unknown who calls himself a "libertarian" to punish some GOP candidate who disappointed you on one particular issue. The Republican party is still the Daddy Party. So many people today have daddy issues and will punish daddy for one action or one remark while they'll support their psychopathic little brother who's one match away from burning the house down.

Posted by: AmishDude at March 12, 2014 08:49 AM (T0NGe)

119 So people who would ordinarily want to punish the liberal can say "a pox on both their houses" and feel good about themselves. --------------------------- Vote your conscience!

Posted by: Ross Perot Voters, Who Gave Clinton the WH with 39% of the Vote at March 12, 2014 08:50 AM (aDwsi)

120 I don't think convenience is a good enough reason to vote absentee. _____ Agree, but I'm afraid we have crossed that bridge.

Posted by: SH at March 12, 2014 08:50 AM (gmeXX)

121 Plus if you stay on message of Repeal Obamacare, you avoid the temptation to say something stupid.
***
I've been saying this for a long time...pick something simple that the LIVs support and don't talk about anything else...

What do you think about abortion?

Well Mr Media Talking End, I think it is terrible that Obama has decided to involve the government in decisions about their health care. I think we can all agree that he went way to far when he decided for you what your health insurance choices could be.

What do you think about tax cuts for the wealthy?

Well Mr Media Talking Head, I think it is terrible that Obama has raised taxes, after promising not to, on everyone to pay for his Obamacare scheme. I think we should all agree that Obama shouldn't lie about taking money from people for his own agenda items.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 12, 2014 08:50 AM (P3U0f)

122 If the GOP doesnt blow the next presidential election, i hope the new president leaves the ACA on the books and opens every speech for 4 years with a new delay on every bit of implementation. 2019 AD, 2525, 2700, 3000000, half past never, when Al Gore freezes over, etc.

Posted by: Don't make me go Roundhead. at March 12, 2014 08:50 AM (GCVDw)

123 OT:  I know it's not Sunday or the book thread but here are a few books you may want to check out.  Or not.

http://tinyurl.com/lj3ukeh

P.S. You may have to click to embiggen.

Posted by: WalrusRex at March 12, 2014 08:51 AM (XUKZU)

124 I'm fine early voting - 2 weeks prior AT the polling station - like they do here in Texas, but this mass voting by mail stuff has gots to go.  If 5% of the electorate votes by absentee ballot, the election results should not be certified, and the results are VOID.  (I'm looking at you Oregon)

Posted by: phreshone at March 12, 2014 08:51 AM (Q6pxP)

125 I don't think convenience is a good enough reason to vote absentee. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at March 12, 2014 12:49 PM (VtjlW) Voting should be slightly inconvenient. To demonstrate that you care.

Posted by: AmishDude at March 12, 2014 08:51 AM (T0NGe)

126 Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at March 12, 2014 12:49 PM (VtjlW My left leaning family members are CONVINCED that early voting is in fact a right. And tell people to take advantage of it by telling the election board you simply aren't able to vote during that time. I might see the purpose of extending voting hours a bit maybe even 2 day voting, but past that it seems to me it only encourages a lack of informed voting (granted at this point I suppose everything is merely tribes.)

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at March 12, 2014 08:52 AM (HDwDg)

127 I feel like a bellwether this morning.

Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at March 12, 2014 08:52 AM (Dwehj)

128 That girl here in NJ who sued her parents for support after she moved out has moved back in with her parents

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 12, 2014 08:53 AM (nzKvP)

129 By reading Putin's social media outlets we can verify he will not invade the Ukraine...he hasn't even posted any LOLcats Kiev so we take this as definitive. Posted by: The CIA --------------------- Oh..., and while we are at it, the Tsarnaev boys are not worth worrying about, and..., yes, it *was* a video that caused Benghazi.

Posted by: The CIA at March 12, 2014 08:54 AM (aDwsi)

130 Posted by: Ross Perot Voters, Who Gave Clinton the WH with 39% of the Vote at March 12, 2014 12:50 PM (aDwsi) Some see things a bit .... differently.... Some don't worry about which team is in, but how what they do affects the damn country...

Posted by: Ross Perot voter who forced them to balance the budget for 10 minutes at March 12, 2014 08:54 AM (84gbM)

131 David Jolly defied most predictions (including mine!)
Your agonizer, Mr CAC. An abject apology isn't good enough this time.

Posted by: mister spock sporting a goatee at March 12, 2014 08:54 AM (hn5v5)

132 Voting should be slightly inconvenient. To demonstrate that you care. It's already much more than that now. I know I will not be represented.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit[/i][/u][/b][/s] at March 12, 2014 08:54 AM (0HooB)

133 Voting should be slightly inconvenient. To demonstrate that you care.

Posted by: AmishDude at March 12, 2014 12:51 PM (T0NGe)


Just like food stamps and welfare checks...  They need to make it to an office once a month....

Posted by: phreshone at March 12, 2014 08:54 AM (Q6pxP)

134 Washington state is 100% mail in voting. And in a complete coincidence, no Republican has won a single statewide election since the state got rid of in-person voting.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 12, 2014 08:54 AM (0LHZx)

135 f the GOP doesnt blow the next presidential election, i hope the new president leaves the ACA on the books and opens every speech for 4 years with a new delay on every bit of implementation. 2019 AD, 2525, 2700, 3000000, half past never, when Al Gore freezes over, etc. ---- I'm now convinced that Obamacare was nothing more than a steal tax increase passed under the guise of healthcare reform.

Posted by: SH at March 12, 2014 08:55 AM (gmeXX)

136 Obama: 'I Don't Have Time to Waste. The Clock Is Ticking.' ' Hum? May i suggest cutting out all the golfing and campaigning then?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 12, 2014 08:55 AM (nzKvP)

137 130 That girl here in NJ who sued her parents for support after she moved out has moved back in with her parents Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 12, 2014 12:53 PM (nzKvP) It's hard to sh*t on your mom's face if you're not in the house.

Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at March 12, 2014 08:55 AM (bCEmE)

138 To demonstrate that you care.

That's patently racist.

Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at March 12, 2014 08:55 AM (Dwehj)

139 ACC Tournament about to tip-off. Wake Forest vs Notre Dame on CBS. Obviously Wake needs to win the tourney to have a chance at the NCAA's, same as Boston College. Here's hoping for some early upsets.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 12, 2014 08:55 AM (ZshNr)

140 Clinton didn't get 39%. He won 43% in 1992 and 49% in 2006.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 12, 2014 08:55 AM (0LHZx)

141 So, CAC, it's been over four hours, has it gone down yet?

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 12, 2014 08:56 AM (0FSuD)

142 Email just dispatched to PPP:

FWIW, PPP issued a public congrats to the conservative polling firm that accurately called the race.

Posted by: Mitch McConnell at March 12, 2014 08:56 AM (B/VB5)

143 That should have been "stealth (not steal) tax increase" in #138

Posted by: SH at March 12, 2014 08:56 AM (gmeXX)

144 It's hard to sh*t on your mom's face if you're not in the house.

Posted by: Tami at March 12, 2014 12:55 PM (bCEmE)



That's so hot

Posted by: Martin Bashir at March 12, 2014 08:56 AM (Q6pxP)

145 140 130 That girl here in NJ who sued her parents for support after she moved out has moved back in with her parents I wouldn't have let her back in.

Posted by: Citizen X at March 12, 2014 08:56 AM (7ObY1)

146 58 Let's get back to talking about my 2016 Presidential run. I will wear my Yoga Pants you guys! Posted by: Hillary Clinton at March 12, 2014 12:36 PM (32Ze2)

You know, if SNL had guts they would do a skit about Hillary desperately trying to appeal to the young Obama voters, and trying to go hipster and make her look ridic. But she is a sacred cow/pantsuit, so never gonna happen.

Posted by: LizLem at March 12, 2014 08:56 AM (BF+2f)

147 It's hard to sh*t on your mom's face if you're not in the house. Posted by: Tami at March 12, 2014 12:55 PM (bCEmE) Why? My left wing crazy sister did it over the phone to my mom for years.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 12, 2014 08:56 AM (nzKvP)

148 Posted by: AmishDude at March 12, 2014 12:49 PM (T0NGe) Hence "pretend." The libertarian party is associated enough with the conservative moment in general that someone can merely put on the mantle of libertarianism and it'll draw off people. But if the 3rd party candidate were green party this wouldn't work. So unless we can put some serious ideological distance between us and the L's I don't see us being able to use the 3rd party candidate as a weapon against the dem's. (Or we start fielding something more dem friendly, but I don't know what that is. No 3rd party has the same overlap as the L's and Rs.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at March 12, 2014 08:56 AM (HDwDg)

149 With a 2 percent margin I am surprised the Democrats didn't "find" the requisite votes in a precinct basement.

Posted by: MAJHAM at March 12, 2014 08:57 AM (MzYgJ)

150 Overby really hauled in the absentee ballots.  How'd that happen?

Posted by: MacGruber at March 12, 2014 08:58 AM (xvtYZ)

151 130 That girl here in NJ who sued her parents for support after she moved out has moved back in with her parents Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 12, 2014 12:53 PM (nzKvP) Forgive and forget?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 12, 2014 08:58 AM (HVff2)

152 "Wake Forest vs Notre Dame"

Wait, what?  When did ND join the ACC?

*waiting for them to come and revoke my Ga Tech alumni card for not paying attention*

Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 12, 2014 08:58 AM (79sHi)

153 ". The biggest chunk of the vote- absentees- favored Sink by just under 2,000 votes, meaning that the total pre-Election Day vote only ended up favoring her by just over 2%, far short of the gap insinuated by PPP"

So they did cheat where they could and lost anyway.  Encouraging.

But not enough.

It's not enough either to count on poll watchers and monitors to keep them honest elsewhere,.either.  Democrats have shown no compunction, as in Philadelphia where they physically ejected GOP pollwatchers and then blatantly forged votes.

We need to start doxing and outing the Secretaries of State in the blue states, particularly the ones where the fraud was most egregious in 2012.  Let them know they are not just public officials but public figures in the public eye... right down to where they live.

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at March 12, 2014 08:59 AM (XO6WW)

154 Posted by: LizLem at March 12, 2014 12:54 PM (BF+2f) Bless your little ol' pea-pickin' heart.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit[/i][/u][/b][/s] at March 12, 2014 08:59 AM (0HooB)

155 152 With a 2 percent margin I am surprised the Democrats didn't "find" the requisite votes in a precinct basement. Posted by: MAJHAM at March 12, 2014 12:57 PM (MzYgJ) ________ They believed their own PR and thought they'd win easily. So they had no plan for stealing. Same reason Scott Brown won in MA. Nobody thought he had a chance. By the time it looked like he might win, it was too late for the Dems to put in place a plan to steal it.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 12, 2014 08:59 AM (0LHZx)

156 That girl here in NJ who sued her parents for support after she moved out has moved back in with her parents Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 12, 2014 12:53 PM (nzKvP) They've got some healing to do. And, she's got some growing up to do. She was really hating on her mom. And, alluding to her dad and inappropriate behaviour. I don't know how they are going to get through this, but, parents love their children, no matter what.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 12, 2014 08:59 AM (IXrOn)

157 No 3rd party has the same overlap as the L's and Rs.

True, but there's a definite split opening up between the Democrats and the far left.  Mother freaking Jones has a feature story blowing open the news that the Democrats have done nothing for the middle class for the past 30 years.

Posted by: Ian S. at March 12, 2014 09:00 AM (B/VB5)

158 This is ND's first year, same as Syracuse. Maryland is going to the Big Ten next season. Big shuffle.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 12, 2014 09:00 AM (ZshNr)

159 I might see the purpose of extending voting hours a bit maybe even 2 day voting, but past that it seems to me it only encourages a lack of informed voting (granted at this point I suppose everything is merely tribes.) Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at March 12, 2014 12:52 PM (HDwDg) Elections should be a Holiday... with Polls open for 24 Hours on election day. But EVERYONE except Active duty Military has to vote in person, with ID. Have Mobile Voting Vans, for those who cannot reach a polling place... but they must be staffed with at LEAST three people... one Dem, one Repub, one Independent. If you don't care enough to be in your district during the Election, then its not really important for you to vote... If you job takes you out of country? Then you just chose that Job OVER your vote...

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 12, 2014 09:00 AM (84gbM)

160 152 With a 2 percent margin I am surprised the Democrats didn't "find" the requisite votes in a precinct basement. Posted by: MAJHAM at March 12, 2014 12:57 PM ---------------------------- Kinkos was closed.

Posted by: irright at March 12, 2014 09:00 AM (Ze8oh)

161 candidates take note

David Jolly on the Issues:
"Immigration-
We need to secure our borders. To discuss comprehensive immigration reform while we continue to have a porous border where more people can continue to enter our country illegally ultimately ignores the very basic principle that people in our country illegally should not be given special treatment over those who have been patiently waiting in their country of origin to enter our country legally."

Posted by: noone, really at March 12, 2014 12:32
-------------------------------

That is precisely what I want to hear out of our candidates.

Posted by: irright at March 12, 2014 12:49 PM (Ze8oh)



That needs to be stapled to Johnny Boehner's and Eric Cantor's foreheads for the next time those stupid fucks need a reminder of what not to do.

Posted by: Captain Hate at March 12, 2014 09:00 AM (YbFCe)

162 Let's pray that NJ girl can get her mind right and most of all, a better class of friends.

Posted by: lowandslow at March 12, 2014 09:00 AM (IV4od)

163 Or do a "Shady Stockman" on every Libertarian candidate.  I never met one in CA who could survive that.

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at March 12, 2014 09:00 AM (XO6WW)

164 85 off topic

2 dead, dozen missing after blast collapses 2 NYC buildings
Officials: Our first indication of a gas leak was at 9:15 this morning.
Mayor De Blasio says there is no indication of foul play.
NYPost
http://tinyurl.com/nbo94lw

...IF gas line infrastructural inspections and maintenance were fraudulently performed, that is absolutely foul.

Posted by: panzernashorn at March 12, 2014 12:40 PM (MhA4j)

Part of the reason there is construction in that part of town is that it is slowly being gentrified. Spike Lee could do a PSA on the dangers of gentrification?

Posted by: LizLem at March 12, 2014 09:01 AM (BF+2f)

165 Early Voting? In NC, Tillis, Mike's favorite, and the NC Legislature cleverly reduced the voting days, but kept the hours the same, stopping Sunday voting, aka cattle call/payday at the Black churches, and requiring ID and stopping same day registration. But to some, Tillis is just not conservative enough? Go figure.

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 12, 2014 09:01 AM (0FSuD)

166 With a 2 percent margin I am surprised the Democrats didn't "find" the requisite votes in a precinct basement.

-
Oh, I'm sure they "found" at least 2% of the votes.  That's why it was a close as it is.

Posted by: WalrusRex at March 12, 2014 09:01 AM (XUKZU)

167 I'm now convinced that Obamacare was nothing more than a steal tax increase passed under the guise of healthcare reform. Posted by: SH at March 12, 2014 12:55 PM (gmeXX) Well, to each their own. It was imho the first step in controlling all citizens' lives. Just the first step towards single payer. Where we all are dependent on Washington DC.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 12, 2014 09:01 AM (HVff2)

168 Enough politics already. How about some pop-culture for a damn change.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 12, 2014 09:01 AM (F3IN5)

169 SFW, if are allowed to look at pics of pretty ppl in various levels of undress. No noods. Posted by: LizLem at March 12, 2014 12:54 PM (BF+2f) Mmmmm. That was definitely worth repeating.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at March 12, 2014 09:01 AM (VtjlW)

170 Elections should be a Holiday... with Polls open for 24 Hours on election day. But EVERYONE except Active duty Military has to vote in person, with ID. Have Mobile Voting Vans, for those who cannot reach a polling place... but they must be staffed with at LEAST three people... one Dem, one Repub, one Independent. If you don't care enough to be in your district during the Election, then its not really important for you to vote... If you job takes you out of country? Then you just chose that Job OVER your vote... Posted by: Romeo13 at March 12, 2014 01:00 PM (84gbM) That works for me

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 12, 2014 09:01 AM (nzKvP)

171 130 That girl here in NJ who sued her parents for support after she moved out has moved back in with her parents Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 12, 2014 12:53 PM (nzKvP) ------------------------------------ How much does it cost to put a kid up for adoption?

Posted by: irright at March 12, 2014 09:02 AM (Ze8oh)

172 wow....getting out the votes works! Someone should mail that information to: mccain 2008 romney 2012

Posted by: oejay44cday at March 12, 2014 09:02 AM (mI2F6)

173 Whaaaaaaaaat? per the (unimpeachable source if ever there was one) AoS sidebar, House Republicans release report on Lois Lerner Now? You do that NOW??

Posted by: soothsayer at March 12, 2014 09:02 AM (IW1TI)

174 Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 12, 2014 12:58 PM (79sHi) This past year, all sports but hockey and football. BTW, sending us Tenuta was the meanest thing ever.

Posted by: AMDG at March 12, 2014 09:02 AM (eFytx)

175 Either Russia is about to invade Ukraine after March 16, or Putin IS Early Voting!


удивлять

Posted by: Paladin at March 12, 2014 09:02 AM (LTquJ)

176 Some don't worry about which team is in, but how what they do affects the damn country... --------------------------------- Some worry about who will be President for the next eight years, which is what that election was about. That has had a great deal of effect on the country. In this case, we have not, probably will never[/] recover from the damage that Clinton did..., and derivatively has done via Obama, and perhaps Hillary yet to come. It is impossible to say what other outcomes there might have been, but the election of Clinton has done immeasurable damage. But, that's OK, because Perot voters felt 'good' about themselves. Sorry, but there it is.

Posted by: The CIA at March 12, 2014 09:02 AM (aDwsi)

177 Sorry, #166 was in reply  to #120 and #151

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at March 12, 2014 09:02 AM (XO6WW)

178 Jolly won by under 2% and the dems didn't steal it?

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at March 12, 2014 09:02 AM (R8hU8)

179 Oops. Off with CIA sock

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 12, 2014 09:02 AM (aDwsi)

180 One of us, or one of them?

Posted by: toby928© embraces tribalism at March 12, 2014 09:03 AM (QupBk)

181 That NJ girl just needs one of my Magic Cellphones.

Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at March 12, 2014 09:03 AM (Dwehj)

182 But to some, Tillis is just not conservative enough? Go figure. Posted by: Nip Sip at March 12, 2014 01:01 PM (0FSuD) So how does piling up on one GOP guy vs another GOP guy help in getting rid of Kay "Spread me" Hagen?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 12, 2014 09:03 AM (HVff2)

183 Uh, oh. Near barrel experience.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 12, 2014 09:03 AM (aDwsi)

184 130 That girl here in NJ who sued her parents for support after she moved out has moved back in with her parents

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 12, 2014 12:53 PM (nzKvP)


That's going to make for some awkward dinner conversation.


GIRL: Pass the potatoes.


MOM: Or else what, you'll sue me? Huh?

Posted by: joncelli at March 12, 2014 09:03 AM (RD7QR)

185 I'm now convinced that Obamacare was nothing more than a steal tax increase passed under the guise of healthcare reform. Posted by: SH at March 12, 2014 12:55 PM (gmeXX) Well, to each their own. It was imho the first step in controlling all citizens' lives. Just the first step towards single payer. Where we all are dependent on Washington DC. ---- I say that somewhat in jest because that seems to be its primary accomplishment so far.

Posted by: SH at March 12, 2014 09:04 AM (gmeXX)

186

>>She was really hating on her mom.
And, alluding to her dad and inappropriate behaviour.
.

.

.And that could have landed him in jail.  Scary and if she was my kid, no way would she come back to live at home.  Forgive her yes, but I would not give her any opportunity to make any sorts of accusations in the future. 

Posted by: Registered Voter at March 12, 2014 09:04 AM (xqjwP)

187 141 To demonstrate that you care. That's patently racist. Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at March 12, 2014 12:55 PM (Dwehj) I can just imagine the old civil rights crowd. "Wait, so they're allowing you to vote? And you don't have to go through any special biased `poll tests'? No dogs? No hoses? They just want you to bring an ID? The same ID everybody has? And your argument is that we're too poor/stupid to get an ID? Yeah. You're not helping."

Posted by: AmishDude at March 12, 2014 09:04 AM (T0NGe)

188 Holy shit! obama to force employers to pay OT to salaried employees?!? obama truly is a benevolent idiotic boy-king

Posted by: soothsayer at March 12, 2014 09:04 AM (IW1TI)

189
You know, if SNL had guts they would do a skit about Hillary desperately trying to appeal to the young Obama voters, and trying to go hipster and make her look ridic.

-
Don't vote Republicans, cats and kittens.  They'll just try to goof you up with their square talk.

Posted by: St. Hillary at March 12, 2014 09:04 AM (XUKZU)

190 How much does it cost to put a kid up for adoption? Posted by: irright ---------------- I think it is net *income* in China.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 12, 2014 09:04 AM (aDwsi)

191 Early Voting? In NC, Tillis, Mike's favorite, and the NC Legislature cleverly reduced the voting days, but kept the hours the same, stopping Sunday voting, aka cattle call/payday at the Black churches, and requiring ID and stopping same day registration. But to some, Tillis is just not conservative enough? Go figure. Posted by: Nip Sip at March 12, 2014 01:01 PM (0FSuD) OW! Dammit! If you insist on dropping names like that, can you at least make sure it doesn't land on someone's foot? That really hurt.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at March 12, 2014 09:05 AM (VtjlW)

192 174 130 That girl here in NJ who sued her parents for support after she moved out has moved back in with her parents Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 12, 2014 12:53 PM (nzKvP) ------------------------------------ How much does it cost to put a kid up for adoption? Posted by: irright at March 12, 2014 01:02 PM (Ze8oh) Alice Cooper remake, "Cuz I'm a girl, I'm a bitch, I'm 18 and I like it" wonder if her sugar daddy kicked her back to biological daddy's house?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 12, 2014 09:05 AM (HVff2)

193 #173 and they should be a holiday for which businesses are REQUIRED to close.  Even bars should be required to close early.  WalMart and the Dew Drop Inn will still be there on the 5th.

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at March 12, 2014 09:05 AM (XO6WW)

194 That's going to make for some awkward dinner conversation. GIRL: Pass the potatoes. MOM: Or else what, you'll sue me? Huh? Posted by: joncelli at March 12, 2014 01:03 PM (RD7QR) I LOL'd!!! Yeah, I'd be sleeping with one eye opened.

Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at March 12, 2014 09:05 AM (bCEmE)

195 However he did it, pure awesomeness! Bathing in the hot tears of DWS Sinking today. Feels good to win one!

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Bossy Redneck Queen at March 12, 2014 09:05 AM (baL2B)

196 How many people do you think even have the slightest clue why we vote (or used to) on Tuesdays?

If they get their way, it will be a full month.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at March 12, 2014 09:05 AM (pgQxn)

197 Lorne Michaels just hasn't found a way to get humor out of Hillary. Some people are beyond mockery. What are you going to do?

Posted by: SH at March 12, 2014 09:05 AM (gmeXX)

198 Actually, the concern about "found ballots" is not a problem in most of the Florida precincts.  The Supervisors of Elections in most counties, including Pinellas, are generally pretty above board.

The problem counties are St. Lucie and Miami-Dade.  Those are run a lot like Chicago.  Miami-Dade managed to buck the trends of every other county in 2012 and had 70K voters switch from GOP in 2008 to Dem in 2012.  Amazingly, that was the exact margin of victory for Obama in 2012.

The St. Lucie SoE certified the election results before the recount was complete, meaning West lost even though he had more votes after the recount.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 12, 2014 09:05 AM (79sHi)

199 What did Jolly run on? Posted by: soothsayer at March 12, 2014 12:23 .....Keeping food away from hungry kids.

Posted by: Minnfidel at March 12, 2014 09:06 AM (/rlXg)

200 Where's the Jolly Roger?

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 12, 2014 09:06 AM (bitz6)

201

 

@ 94

 

Depends upon your position in campaign contributions..

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at March 12, 2014 09:06 AM (GjPnA)

202 How many people do you think even have the slightest clue why we vote (or used to) on Tuesdays? --- I guess I am in the camp that has no clue. What is the reason it is a Tuesday?

Posted by: SH at March 12, 2014 09:06 AM (gmeXX)

203

That girl here in NJ who sued her parents for support after she moved out has moved back in with her parents

No way in hell, if she was my kid.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 12, 2014 09:06 AM (DrWcr)

204 Did Libertarian Lucas Overby Throw Florida Special Election to Republican Jolly? http://tinyurl.com/pxdwl5s interesting read Recall that in last year's Virginia governor's race, arguably the most interesting development was that high-performing Libertarian Robert Sarvis actually drained votes away from eventual winner, Democrat Terry McAuliffe. By a two-to-one margin, Sarvis voters told exit polls that had Sarvis not been in the mix, they would have voted for the Democrat, not the Republican.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 12, 2014 09:06 AM (IXrOn)

205 Posted by: AmishDude at March 12, 2014 01:04 PM (T0NGe) You forgot "and they'll waive the ID fee if you can't afford it."

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at March 12, 2014 09:07 AM (HDwDg)

206 If you don't care enough to be in your district during the Election, then its not really important for you to vote...

Disenfranchise productive people while rewarding the leeches who sit on their porches all day.  Why is that always the solution around here?

Posted by: HR at March 12, 2014 09:07 AM (ZKzrr)

207 The 5% of votes that went to libertarians tends to suggest that the GOP should grab some values that us cons tend think the GOP used to support.

Posted by: oejay44cday at March 12, 2014 09:07 AM (mI2F6)

208 you mean really hungry kids

Posted by: soothsayer at March 12, 2014 09:07 AM (IW1TI)

209 85 off topic 2 dead, dozen missing after blast collapses 2 NYC buildings Officials: Our first indication of a gas leak was at 9:15 this morning. Mayor De Blasio says there is no indication of foul play. NYPost http://tinyurl.com/nbo94lw ...IF gas line infrastructural inspections and maintenance were fraudulently performed, that is absolutely foul. Posted by: panzernashorn at March 12, 2014 12:40 PM (MhA4j) ----------------------------------- My guess? A wayward 777.

Posted by: irright at March 12, 2014 09:07 AM (Ze8oh)

210 Jolly ran on divorce and nailing younger chicks.

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 12, 2014 09:07 AM (bitz6)

211 I feel like a bellwether this morning.

-
It smells like victory.

Posted by: WalrusRex at March 12, 2014 09:08 AM (XUKZU)

212 And why so many absentee votes?

What was the turn out?  well over 100%?

Posted by: Paladin at March 12, 2014 09:08 AM (LTquJ)

213 I LOL'd!!! Yeah, I'd be sleeping with one eye opened. Posted by: Tami at March 12, 2014 01:05 PM .Just don't call her Bossy!

Posted by: Minnfidel at March 12, 2014 09:08 AM (/rlXg)

214 Agree or Disagree?

The Republican 'leadership' secretly wanted Jolly to lose for two reasons: 1) to show that R candidates cannot win without the help of the GOP Establishment, and 2) to show that R candidates cannot win by running on repealing obamacare and opposing obamnesty.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 12, 2014 12:44 PM (IW1TI)


Agree on both.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, We Be Bossy at March 12, 2014 09:08 AM (kXoT0)

215 By a two-to-one margin, Sarvis voters told exit polls that had Sarvis not been in the mix, they would have voted for the Democrat, not the Republican. Mindboggling. The libertarian response to a lack of a libertarian candidate would be to vote for the statist crook. Clearly, it's all about the weed and the ghey.

Posted by: toby928© embraces tribalism at March 12, 2014 09:09 AM (QupBk)

216 This is like John Madden. The Candidate who gets the most votes wins.

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 12, 2014 09:09 AM (bitz6)

217 >213 Jolly ran on divorce and nailing younger chicks.

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 12, 2014 01:07 PM (bitz6)<



I'm down for half of his platform.  My bride will be for the opposite half if she reads this comment.

Posted by: Muad'dib at March 12, 2014 09:09 AM (sjdRT)

218 noof

Posted by: soothsayer at March 12, 2014 09:09 AM (IW1TI)

219 Jolly ran on divorce and nailing younger chicks. Posted by: Boss ------------------- Hmm. Didn't work out for Edwards.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 12, 2014 09:09 AM (aDwsi)

220 206 That girl here in NJ who sued her parents for support after she moved out has moved back in with her parents
No way in hell, if she was my kid.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 12, 2014 01:06 PM (DrWcr)


Unreal. No way, no how would I let that happen. She made her bed, let her pay for it.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Bossy Redneck Queen at March 12, 2014 09:09 AM (baL2B)

221

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at March 12, 2014 12:59 PM (0HooB)

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at March 12, 2014 01:01 PM (VtjlW)

*Grins, curtsies*

Posted by: LizLem at March 12, 2014 09:09 AM (BF+2f)

222 Holy shit! obama to force employers to pay OT to salaried employees?!? obama truly is a benevolent idiotic boy-king Posted by: soothsayer at March 12, 2014 01:04 PM (IW1TI) Yep. So, then they reduce salaries. When will O'boy grow up?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 12, 2014 09:09 AM (IXrOn)

223 Posted by: The CIA at March 12, 2014 01:02 PM (aDwsi) Yeah.... because any positive spin on his historic threat to the two party system MUST be squashed... as defending the two Teams we currently have, is the most important thing there is... How often have we heard that 'third parties' will destroy this country??? Yet... ONLY his outside threat got them to balance the budget for a few years... Note, as soon as the threat was gone, BOTH parties started overspending again... But please... continue to call us who chose a different path stupid, or evil, or deluded... it does soooo much to get people on your side... Heck... come to think on it... I have not been called a TRAITOR since before last election... I must be slipping...

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 12, 2014 09:10 AM (84gbM)

224 you mean really hungry kids Posted by: soothsayer at March 12, 2014 01:07 PM .......No, the Nancy Pelosi kind of hungry. I especially liked one of Jolly's campaign ads where there were some kids just about to take a mouthful of gruel when he came along and smacked the spoon out of their mouths.

Posted by: Minnfidel at March 12, 2014 09:10 AM (/rlXg)

225 For much of our history, America was a predominantly agrarian society. Law makers therefore took into account that November was perhaps the most convenient month for farmers and rural workers to be able to travel to the polls. The fall harvest was over, (remember that spring was planting time and summer was taken up with working the fields and tending the crops) but in the majority of the nation the weather was still mild enough to permit travel over unimproved roads. Why Tuesday? Since most residents of rural America had to travel a significant distance to the county seat in order to vote, Monday was not considered reasonable since many people would need to begin travel on Sunday. This would, of course, have conflicted with Church services and Sunday worship. Why the first Tuesday after the first Monday? Lawmakers wanted to prevent election day from falling on the first of November for two reasons. First, November 1st is All Saints Day, a Holy Day of Obligation for Roman Catholics. Second, most merchants were in the habit of doing their books from the preceding month on the 1st. Apparently, Congress was worried that the economic success or failure of the previous month might prove an undue influence on the vote!" Read more: Why is Election Day the first Tuesday in November? | Infoplease.com http://www.infoplease.com/askeds/election-day-first-tuesday-november.html#ixzz2vllQJl3e

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 12, 2014 09:10 AM (0LHZx)

226 Jolly ran on divorce and nailing younger chicks.

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 12, 2014 01:07 PM (bitz6)<

I'm down for half of his platform. My bride will be for the opposite half if she reads this comment.

Posted by: Muad'dib at March 12, 2014 01:09 PM (sjdRT)



I LOL'd.



Posted by: EC at March 12, 2014 09:11 AM (GQ8sn)

227 That girl here in NJ who sued her parents for support after she moved out has moved back in with her parents
No way in hell, if she was my kid.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 12, 2014 01:06 PM (DrWcr)


I would've let her move back--BUT, she would have to get a J-O-B and pay R-E-N-T and do chores, lots of lots of chores.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, We Be Bossy at March 12, 2014 09:11 AM (kXoT0)

228 .Just don't call her Bossy! Posted by: Minnfidel at March 12, 2014 01:08 PM (/rlXg) Ok....how 'bout Bitchy, that work?

Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at March 12, 2014 09:11 AM (bCEmE)

229 Dr. Feinkenstein in the sidebar should have read more history.  Then she would have known that there is a problem regarding who will watch the watchers.

Posted by: WalrusRex at March 12, 2014 09:11 AM (XUKZU)

230 That girl here in NJ who sued her parents for support after she moved out has moved back in with her parents Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 12, 2014 12:53 PM (nzKvP) That's going to make for some awkward dinner conversation. GIRL: Pass the potatoes. MOM: Or else what, you'll sue me? Huh? MOM: $5.00. Upfront.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 12, 2014 09:11 AM (xorT2)

231 Posted by: HR at March 12, 2014 01:07 PM (ZKzrr) If we expanded voting hours to the maximum the number of people who were completely out of their precinct for that period would dwindle to near 0. It will never be entirely 0, but pretty close. And the number of people who are out of that zone during repeating elections should basically be 0 (otherwise I would seriously question why you're voting in an area you can't be in for several years at a time.) In any given year, not matter what you do, some people will be unable to make it to the polls even if they want to (They may be sick, traveling etc.) We have to weigh convenience against political ignorance, and we've gone too far in the wrong direction, no?

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at March 12, 2014 09:11 AM (HDwDg)

232 @194 Oh, Mike and I have agreed to disagree and I am just picking on him. So how does piling up on one GOP guy vs another GOP guy help in getting rid of Kay "Spread me" Hagen? Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 12, 2014 01:03 PM (HVff2) I've asked that question a hundred times. Beating Hagan is the goal, but some of the NC morons seem to forget that. I'll vote for whatever Republican wins the primary, even the guy found guilty of stock fraud if he wins.

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 12, 2014 09:11 AM (0FSuD)

233 Why is Election Day the first Tuesday in November?


I say move it to April 16.

Posted by: EC at March 12, 2014 09:11 AM (GQ8sn)

234 MOM: $5.00. Upfront.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 12, 2014 01:11 PM (xorT2)

 

And a signed release.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 12, 2014 09:12 AM (DrWcr)

235 Quick! To the nood! http://bit.ly/PtCZoE

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at March 12, 2014 09:12 AM (VtjlW)

236 "Maryland is going to the Big Ten next season."

The Terps can't win in the ACC, but they think the Big Ten is a good move?  I'm becoming more and more convinced that everyone in my home state of MD is an idiot.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 12, 2014 09:12 AM (79sHi)

237 171 Enough politics already. How about some pop-culture for a damn change.

So what? So let's dance!

*Journey* ...Anyway you want it that's the way you need it , any way you want it...

Posted by: Al Czervik [/i] [/b] at March 12, 2014 09:12 AM (5ikDv)

238 I have to say, the NC Senate primary is making me feel despair.  How the fuck in the name all creation can conservatives seriously think about nominating a man who was just found **PERSONALLY** LIABLE FOR CIVIL FRAUD?  Brannon is dead, toast, fucked in the general election.  You cannot survive that, not in a swing state against an incumbent with money to burn.  It's Tillis or die.  I don't love Thom Tillis as a candidate, but he's got the right profile, he's conservative (certainly no RINO), and he can win.  Literally the only thing Brannon has going for him is kneejerk anti-establishmentarianism of his supporters

The most aggravating thing about Brannon's supporters here on this blog are the people who try to handwave away a fucking fraud verdict by saying "oh, the jury was stacked with liberals!" or some bullshit like that.  Newsflash: if Brannon is our general election candidate in NC and that's our explanation, the race is already over.  Nobody will believe it.  Hell, even *I* don't really believe it, it sounds like excuse-mongering.  Even worse are the people who are whistling past the graveyard, trying to pretend like it won't be a hammer Hagan and the Democrats (and outside groups and the MSM, but I repeat myself) use to destroy Brannon.  Guess what?  If you've been found liable for fraud in a court of law, low-information voters are going to quite justifiably conclude that you're an untrustworthy liar.  Which you may in fact be. 

Every single person who continues to support Brannon here ought to explain their 'theory of the case,' i.e. how they see him winning in a tough swing state race against an incumbent with that on his record.  Hagan may be unpopular, but so were Claire McCaskill and Mike Bennet...both won because the GOP nominated clowns.  We really want to do this again in the name of 'purity?'  How about finding a candidate who doesn't have a recent civil fraud verdict on his record, then?

Posted by: Jeff B., RINO emeritus at March 12, 2014 09:12 AM (ewYO6)

239 196 #173 and they should be a holiday for which businesses are REQUIRED to close. Even bars should be required to close early. WalMart and the Dew Drop Inn will still be there on the 5th. Liquor stores are closed on election day here, unfortunately. Because after voting for these idiots that comprise our government you need to do something to wipe away the shame and depression.

Posted by: rfichoke at March 12, 2014 09:14 AM (2G73v)

240

191 - Not exactly.

 

Current law says anyone making less than $450/wk (about $11.25/hr) must be hourly/can't be salaried. Obama wants to use his phone and pen to raise the limit.

 

And this, unlike his other usurpations, is going to be wildly popular.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 12, 2014 09:15 AM (F3IN5)

241 200 Lorne Michaels just hasn't found a way to get humor out of Hillary. Some people are beyond mockery. What are you going to do?

Posted by: SH at March 12, 2014 01:05 PM (gmeXX)


He should still try, otherwise what is the point of you, Lorne? Part of the prob is that in recent years Poehler played Hillary, and as a rabid fangirl of the pantsuit, no way was she throwing a real comedic punch. Sadly I doubt there will be improvement in the new crew. They need to study Carvey, again, and see how to skewer a politician correctly.

"Wouldn't be prudent..."



Posted by: LizLem at March 12, 2014 09:16 AM (BF+2f)

242 @241 Thank you, would you email that to Hammer? I've been accused of being a little biased because I am supporting the only candidate that can beat Hagan, like you I am getting tired of the know nothing attitude of some of our friends. Time to fish or cut bait. Beat HAGAN!

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 12, 2014 09:17 AM (0FSuD)

243 The Terps can't win in the ACC, but they think the Big Ten is a good move? I'm becoming more and more convinced that everyone in my home state of MD is an idiot. Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 12, 2014 01:12 PM (79sHi) Dave, it's a TV move. The Big Ten wants to get the TV market in the DC and BLT metro. MD does that for them. It's a huge money maker for MD and the Big Ten.

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 12, 2014 09:18 AM (0FSuD)

244 They should never have let Waldo on that airplane.

Posted by: Meremortal at March 12, 2014 09:19 AM (1Y+hH)

245 If you've been found liable for fraud in a court of law, low-information voters are going to quite justifiably conclude that you're an untrustworthy liar. Which you may in fact be.

yep

Posted by: Governor Terry McAuliffe [/i] [/b] at March 12, 2014 09:21 AM (5ikDv)

246 yeah yeah yeah, but which GOP candidates will represent my traditonally deep felt anti-tampon and birth control banning sentiments?

Posted by: oejay44cday at March 12, 2014 09:23 AM (mI2F6)

247 >>>yep

Terry Mac is shady scum, but even he doesn't have that kind of personal fraud verdict on his record.  (Yet, at least...we can always hope.)  Moreover, MacAuliffe is/was one of the most powerfully-connected, cash-rich Democrats in the country and was running for an open seat against a horrible candidate in a state that now tilts Democrat...and he barely won. 

I can tell you this much: if MacAuliffe had been found personally liable in a court of law for defrauding his investors and stealing their money only a year or so before the election, he wouldn't have won the race, and that's in spite of all the Dem-favoring factors listed above. 


Posted by: Jeff B., RINO emeritus at March 12, 2014 09:28 AM (ewYO6)

248 That airplane?



Lincoln Park Pirates.

Posted by: tcn at March 12, 2014 09:29 AM (3kDQa)

249 Thank you, would you email that to Hammer? I've been accused of being a little biased because I am supporting the only candidate that can beat Hagan, like you I am getting tired of the know nothing attitude of some of our friends. Time to fish or cut bait. Beat HAGAN! Posted by: Nip Sip at March 12, 2014 01:17 PM (0FSuD) You insist upon completely and utterly and totally misrepresenting the actual jury verdict, right up to the point that you are nudging the line of defamation with your toe, and then you turn around and oh so casually state that hey I could have Tillis over for a meetup but real life is in the way. Yeah, you'll forgive me for harboring a deep suspicion that not only are you a little biased but that you are on someone's payroll. Here. I'll spell it out for you very slowly so that you can comprehend what I am saying. My issues are with your repeated insistence that Brannon was found guilty of stealing when that is NOT WHAT HAPPENED and that you ignore every single person who has attempted to explain to you the difference between a civil and a criminal verdict. Your refusal to comprehend something so basic calls into question the entirety of your credibility on this issue. Guess what? This is causing me physical pain to type, but Jeff B set out accurately what happened and the problems that Brannon will face. Had you, the oh so very particular you, done the same, then nearly every single objections that I and others are making would disappear. But no. You, the oh so very particular you, insist upon conflating a finding of civil liability with a jury finding of guilt. You did that. No one else. Just you. JeffB, I would certainly hope that you are able to comprehend the distinction between objecting to a gross mischaracterization and supporting a candidate. Those are not even remotely the same things. It does not constitute "handwaving" to point out that Nip Sip is being remarkably disingenuous in his repeated statements, which have been repeatedly corrected, that a jury found Brannon guilty.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at March 12, 2014 09:29 AM (VtjlW)

250

"But to some, Tillis is just not conservative enough?"

 

Tillis also said he thought that ObamaCare was a good idea, it just couldn't be funded.

 

Good idea?  Implication that more taxes may need to be raised to fund it?

 

I can see where people would get that idea.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at March 12, 2014 09:32 AM (YYJjz)

251 240 171 Enough politics already. How about some pop-culture for a damn change. So what? So let's dance! *Journey* ...Anyway you want it that's the way you need it , any way you want it... Posted by: Al Czervik at March 12, 2014 01:12 PM (5ikDv Designer Shoe Warehouse commercials anyone?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 12, 2014 09:33 AM (HVff2)

252

@ 241 - "Every single person who continues to support Brannon here ought to explain their 'theory of the case,' i.e. how they see him winning in a tough swing state race against an incumbent with that on his record. Hagan may be unpopular, but so were Claire McCaskill and Mike Bennet...both won because the GOP nominated clowns. We really want to do this again in the name of 'purity?' How about finding a candidate who doesn't have a recent civil fraud verdict on his record, then?"

Latest polling has Brannon tied with Tillis again, AND neck-and-nack with Hagan in the general (doing as well as ANY of the other GOPers, including Tillis. 

 

Brannon took a hit early in Feb when the typical media negative reporting took place and the decision came out.  He has completely recovered to where he was at before it, however.

 

The civil case is not something a lot of people understand, so I doubt it really sways a lot of voters very much.  It's hard to get too worked up about a guy who was part of a company that relied on venture capital and which went belly up.  After all, that kind of stuff happens all the time.  Half the people living in the RTP area have probably either started a company, worked for a company, or invested in a company that has had that happen.  They know it's part of life.  Having investors who lost money get cranky about losing money makes some noise, but doesn't exactly cast the pall of "unforgivable moral opprobium" upon him. 

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at March 12, 2014 09:40 AM (YYJjz)

253 Fuck off.
Guess who that was aimed at?

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at March 12, 2014 09:44 AM (hn5v5)

254 That election day voting ratio (the real deal) vs the absentee voting ratio sure look like voter fraud smoke to me. Someone check for fire.

Posted by: dogfish at March 12, 2014 09:52 AM (nsOJa)

255 >>>Brannon took a hit early in Feb when the typical media negative reporting took place and the decision came out. He has completely recovered to where he was at before it, however.

"Completely recovered," eh?  Perhaps in the eyes of his tea party supporters, who are willing to forgive almost anything for someone with the right ideological positions.  Want to bet that the general electorate -- once they're introduced to this scandal via countless attack ads and hostile news reports -- won't feel the same way? 

>>>The civil case is not something a lot of people understand, so I doubt it really sways a lot of voters very much.

Um, are we on different planets here?  People can understand a simple story, and the simple story is going to be "candidate was found guilty** of fraud by a jury."  That's devastating.  Believe it or not, swing voters don't like the idea of sending who already has a putatively PREESTABLISHED record of dishonesty to Washington.  The ideological issues that people like us care about will come second. 

**Yes I know the word is technically inaccurate, but again, if you're dickering about technicalities ("he wasn't found GUILTY because it was a civil trial not a criminal trial!") you are, again, losing.

Posted by: Jeff B., RINO emeritus at March 12, 2014 10:04 AM (ewYO6)

256 No empty car trunks available to "find" votes in?

Posted by: cormac_mcroadie at March 12, 2014 10:09 AM (qjs74)

257 >>>JeffB, I would certainly hope that you are able to comprehend the distinction between objecting to a gross mischaracterization and supporting a candidate.

I am, which is why I have been careful to choose my words accurately. (Being an attorney also helps.)  But here's the thing: if nothing else, Nip Sip is giving you a preview of how the Brannon fraud verdict will actually be represented in public and among most voters.  Not hardcore partisans, perhaps, but there are very few of those in any general election, even midterms.  No, most people aren't going to sit around and calmly evaluate arguments like "it was a civil trial, and only a majorty of the jury was required for a finding of liability, as opposed to the unanimity of a criminal case!"  They're going to boil it down: "huh, guy was found guilty of defrauding his investors."  Trying to swim against that tide -- which is, I have to emphasize really bad even in its kindest, most Brannon-friendly form -- is like trying to scale Niagara Falls in a wetsuit. 

Posted by: Jeff B., RINO emeritus at March 12, 2014 10:09 AM (ewYO6)

258

Jeff B:

 

I'll have Hagan's lie played again and again and again and let them create their own attack ads.

 

But I'm sure career politician Tillis has no skeletons at all in his closet right.......  Again I ask, what is his position on buttfucking??

 

Why be for Tillis, there's a better question.  What has he committed to on the issues?

Posted by: prescient11 at March 12, 2014 10:09 AM (tVTLU)

259

@ 258 - "
"Completely recovered," eh? Perhaps in the eyes of his tea party supporters, who are willing to forgive almost anything for someone with the right ideological positions. Want to bet that the general electorate -- once they're introduced to this scandal via countless attack ads and hostile news reports -- won't feel the same way? "

 

Last I saw, polling two candidates from different parties head to head isn't limited to calling "tea party supporters."

 

You're free to believe what you like, but the facts on the ground in NC so far don't appear to support your conclusions.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at March 12, 2014 10:10 AM (YYJjz)

260 Hey, look at that Overby number. This is what happens when you let the opposition split your vote. They win, you lose. GOP won because its very possible that more D's went for Overby than voting R. Soooo .... lets encourage all of our D friends and family, whom couldn't stand to vote for an R, to find their own Overby. And vote for them. While we stick to our guns. And hope that our candidates don't say something monumentally stupid and sink their ship, and our navy in the process of sinking their own ship. Very tight message control for us folks ... if we can't find a good candidate whom will take the vote by storm, then offer the D's a way to vote in protest against the D without voting R. You can't make changes if you are not in power to make the change. Lets not fuck it up between now and election day. Please?

Posted by: N.O. Body at March 12, 2014 10:11 AM (80GjT)

261 Early voting really disturbs me, I think Red State Governors need to dial it back.

I would argue the Constitution is pretty clear about when there's an Election Day, not a period anytime that's convenient for someone. When I see people voting months before an election, I don't think that's healthy for the Republic.  Lots of opportunity for fraud.

I'm glad Republicans are doing better in this area, but this new type of voting is a big headwind for us because it gives Democrats months to get the proles to the poll instead of making it a single day.

I believe you get a much higher quality voter when  there's a single day of elections where the person actually has to go to the polls to vote.

Posted by: McAdams at March 12, 2014 10:12 AM (gAvm+)

262 >>>Last I saw, polling two candidates from different parties head to head isn't limited to calling "tea party supporters."

The problem is that the vast majority of those being polled right now have no idea about the Brannon fraud verdict (in fact, I'd guess that a near-majority of GOP primary voters don't know about it yet...never underestimate the "LI" in "LIV").  If he wins the nomination though, believe me...they'll find out.  It will be The Only Story, especially for a candidate with almost no money and little institutional support to push his own countervailing message. 

I've seen this movie before, and it rarely ends well.

Posted by: Jeff B., RINO emeritus at March 12, 2014 10:13 AM (ewYO6)

263

Titus and ATC:

 

ABSOLUTELY.

 

Jeff and Nip sip:

 

I'm not denying it's a problem and an obstacle.  What sane person would?  But I'll support a family man with 5 kids who is a doctor any day of the week over some party hack that is just another vote for amnesty and doing whatever the fuck GOPe wants him to.

 

And yeah, I think he can still beat Hagan.  It's firing up the base that counts in off year elections.  And this guy can fire up the base like crazy.  Tillis is expected to win, yay yay.  We need some new blood.

Posted by: prescient11 at March 12, 2014 10:15 AM (tVTLU)

264 CAC While you're taking bows, care to let us know why you messed up the official call?

Posted by: Slapnutz at March 12, 2014 10:20 AM (M7Awp)

265 I am, which is why I have been careful to choose my words accurately. Which means that you are able to comprehend that my issue is that Nip Sip insists upon doing otherwise.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at March 12, 2014 10:25 AM (VtjlW)

266
Late to the gate, but for the sake of history:

"The biggest chunk of the vote- absentees- favored Sink by just under 2,000 votes"

Which is actually a bit worrisome because the report in the WaPo yesterday said Team Republican had turned in a few thousand more ballots than the Democrats.

Which, if true, math would indicate Project Orca 2.0 IDed thousands of voters as Republican gets to turn out, who actually voted Democrat.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 12, 2014 11:30 AM (kdS6q)

267 i heard all weekend and monday how this was to be an early test of dems strength against conservative(not rino) candidates.
Jolly wins
today i hear.....(crickets).....

funny how quick the lame stream boot lickers move on to another story

Posted by: xtron at March 12, 2014 01:01 PM (PBloI)

268 My call came from polling: RRH, an untested firm, had it Jolly +2 St Pete had it " tied " publicly but in the report Sink +.3% PPP did not have their number in yet when I made my call Fabrizio (R) had it Jolly + 2 St Leo had it Sink +9 Braun had it Sink +7

Posted by: CAC at March 12, 2014 01:10 PM (Ec2Oa)

269 So if all you're using is polling.....then what good are you? We can just read the polls and be as accurate.

Posted by: SlapNutz at March 12, 2014 04:35 PM (vVSAz)

270 And you certainly have no business taking bows like you did in the thread below in that case....

Posted by: SlapNutz at March 12, 2014 04:35 PM (vVSAz)

271 Ground game and turn out wins elections. The Chicago machine knew that years ago. Social media doesn't win elections. It makes people aware and dispels lies. Or distributes lies.

Posted by: Jeffrey Carter (@pointsnfigures) at March 12, 2014 06:32 PM (LnE5F)

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