Come on Browns, give us your draft picks.

Posted by: TXMarko at April 22, 2010 07:43 PM (YBwof)

--Some have picked the Chiefs to get him, but #5 is awfully high for a safety.

I would love to get him, but only in a trade-down.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 22, 2010 07:48 PM (y1kI6)

--Cassell did well in NE with a solid line and good receivers.  At least KC should start building the line.

Posted by: Slublog at April 22, 2010 07:42 PM (itziW)

I doubt the steelers will go for another kind of sort of almost qb type guy again after having experimented with kordell stewart.  I don't really know how you can say tebow would fall anyways.  Most really considered him a Round 2 pick at best anyways.  Awkward throwing motion, trouble with the deep ball, not that good at reading routes  If he didn't have a cult of personality about him he probably wouldn't even be 3rd round material.

And Bradford is screwed.  He's going to be expected to produce immediately.  And he probably won't do that.

I read an opinion piece today that, in my opinion, made a good argument for how Tebow is a valuable commodity for more than (or in spite of) his passing arm. They argued that in a league of degenerates who have been celebrated for far too long, it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to have someone with moral fiber and a damned strong work ethic take a backup or training position somewhere.

We talk here, constantly, of the crooks and bastards in politics, in Hollywood, in our own backyards...Why should our greatest pastimes celebrate the worst of traits simply because that person has been successful in their chosen profession?

Posted by: Slublog at April 22, 2010 07:56 PM (itziW)

--Nah.  They'll draft a QB lower as a project.

Posted by: GT

Suck-it Beyotch.  Once Al passes on and the Raiders move back to SoCal, you will be tasting my ass.

Posted by: Slublog at April 22, 2010 07:59 PM (itziW)

Let's not get carried away.  He's still a multi-millionaire who gets to play football for a living.  And gets more ass than a toilet seat.

Posted by: Slublog at April 22, 2010 08:04 PM (itziW)

Not exactly a terrible thing.  Fewer licks, fewer concussions, more free time to spend your millions and get more ass than a toilet seat.  I won't believe the Steelers want to trade him until he's traded.  He's won two SBs, for crying out loud.  And was instrumental in winning the second one.

The draft already?

Sheesh I'm still licking my SB wounds.

Posted by: Slublog at April 22, 2010 08:11 PM (itziW)

Yep, yep.  He must have football smarts, because he sure as hell doesn't have non-football smarts.  I mean, WTF is he doing in Milledgeville?  It ain't exactly Atlanta.  Or Macon.  Or even Smyrna.  Why the hell not Athens, for crying out loud?  Shitloads of hot coeds who're slightly more cosmopolitan than those in Milledgeville.

Posted by: jmflynny at April 22, 2010 08:13 PM (uyljC)

Oh yeah.  About $3 million.

Posted by: mare at April 22, 2010 08:09 PM (X1fsj)

That idiot Gruden who won a SB as the youngest ever coach?  You aren't helping your credibility.  Besides, I like the way he and Jaws crack each other up like little schoolgirls.

Posted by: GT

sonofa....

Will Tebow get picked in the first round?

1st round seems a little high for a whiny H-back

Posted by: mare at April 22, 2010 08:22 PM (X1fsj)

No need to get defensive.  Why was he an idiot to go to the Raiders?  Too  much money?

That idiot Gruden who won a SB as the youngest ever coach?  You aren't helping your credibility.  Besides, I like the way he and Jaws crack each other up like little schoolgirls.

Posted by: FUBAR at April 22, 2010 08:18 PM (1fanL)

eh,  he won a super bowl with Tony Dungee's team.  Against the team he created and knew to the point of being able to perfectly mimic their quarterbacks snap count.  I think it was just a perfect storm for him to get that super bowl win.

Posted by: CDR M

As a huge UCLA honk, I gotta say.... SC cheerleaders are teh hawt.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 22, 2010 08:26 PM (PQY7w)

--Uh, I think you meant the NHL playoffs.

Thanks for the laugh though.

eh,  he won a super bowl with Tony Dungee's team.  Against the team he created and knew to the point of being able to perfectly mimic their quarterbacks snap count.  I think it was just a perfect storm for him to get that super bowl win.

Posted by: buzzion at April 22, 2010 08:25 PM (oVQFe)

Even granting that for the sake of argument, is there any justification for calling him an idiot?

Three of the first four from OU.

Respect their authoritay.

Even granting that for the sake of argument, is there any justification for calling him an idiot?

Posted by: FUBAR

There are only a handful of teams with trophy cases big enough to justify talking shit to Al Davis.

Three of the first four from OU.

Respect their authoritay.

Posted by: BB at April 22, 2010 08:30 PM (qF8q3)

How come no NCs?  Bad coaching?

"Stand by for the worst pick of the night when the Raiders pick."

What, you don't think the Lions will draft this year?

Posted by: mare at April 22, 2010 08:34 PM (X1fsj)

Like when you called me a dumbass?  That kind of hysterical hate?

I'm glad the Rockies won, it is sad their President dropped dead of natural causes.

I would contribute something earth shatteringly relevant to this thread, but I confess I am horrid at understanding the draft dance. In terms of fashion, though, damn some of those players look hot in their suits and wow do they have a lot of bling in their ears.

What was hateful about saying that Duke was getting all the calls in the first half?

Not hate; just facts.

Even granting that for the sake of argument, is there any justification for calling him an idiot?

Posted by: FUBAR at April 22, 2010 08:28 PM (1fanL)

Nah not really.  Doesn't really justify giving him football prophet status either though of course.  And I'm sure he can make some idiotic statement.  I think on MNF every week he practically had a boner everytime someone went into a wildcat didn't he?

I like C.J. Spiller. He's clean, black and articulate.

Actually he does have a negroe accent that he can turn on and off at will.

Nah not really.  Doesn't really justify giving him football prophet status either though of course.  And I'm sure he can make some idiotic statement.  I think on MNF every week he practically had a boner everytime someone went into a wildcat didn't he?

Posted by: buzzion at April 22, 2010 08:39 PM (oVQFe)

Naw, he's not a god.  But he's entertaining as hell.  Did you see him talking to Tebow, Bradford, and McCoy?  Comedy gold!

It seems like the draft is just an opportunity for ESPN to sell a shitload of commercials.

Of course I know a lot of wheeling and dealing is going on before each pick, but don't the teams come into the draft with an idea of who they are looking at?

Posted by: Hank Aaron (all-time home run leader) at April 22, 2010 08:35 PM (oMIDm)

Damn, Hank, I hate to be the one to break it to you.  But yeah, Barry Bonds hit more home runs than you, thanks to the juice.  Yeah, I know, it's an embarrassment, and it makes the sport a joke, but there it is.

It seems like the draft is just an opportunity for ESPN to sell a shitload of commercials.

Of course I know a lot of wheeling and dealing is going on before each pick, but don't the teams come into the draft with an idea of who they are looking at?

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at April 22, 2010 08:43 PM (RZ8pf)

--on NFL Network there's far fewer commercials.  I think the Draft is moing along well.

Anthony Davis (who I wanted to be a Chief) to the 49ers.

Laceyunderalls, so far it has been ruled natural causes, at least thatÂ’s what my sister told me yesterday.

How come no NCs?  Bad coaching?

Yep.

Lost 5 games with all that talent.

Won 3 consecutive Big 12 Championships with all that talent.

Posted by: brak at April 22, 2010 08:36 PM (W5NBA

There is another side too.  Its the possibility that Tebow succumbs to debauchery in the NFL.  Then they get to blast again another christian hypocrite.  And on and on with that.  I do hope he succeeds though.  I just don't know if he is an NFL caliber QB.  But it really does show such a vehemance towards Christians.  Imagine if there was an out of closet gay football player going and people were saying they hope he fails for no other reason than being gay.  It really does show how these assholes are.

My Broncos kid coach appers to be trying to destroy any chances of winning over 8 games for the next 10 years.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at April 22, 2010 08:44 PM (7VvJB)

--Not bad at all.  This is a very deep draft.  They can do well with more picks.

Creepy Chris Berman story--

I had a friend at a party with him a few years back. Berman was crazy drunk and apparently went into the bedroom and had a threesome with  a girl and another guy (!). Let's call it a train and not a technical threesome.

Of course, everyone in the other room stopped upon hearing him scream....and you know where I'm going with this...HE COULD GO ALL THE WAY!!

Editor, I fear this will be a rebuilding year for the Seahawks so we wonÂ’t see much from them this year.

I had a friend at a party with him a few years back. Berman was crazy drunk and apparently went into the bedroom and had a threesome with  a girl and another guy (!). Let's call it a train and not a technical threesome.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at April 22, 2010 08:48 PM (YQ0yr)

Thanks, I needed another reason to dislike Berman.

OK, IÂ’m a draft idiot, for sure, but it seems like a bride is assured when she reaches the end of the aisle that the groom will still be there, whereas with the draft the bride may find that someone has swooped in and run off with her groom at the last minute, right?

Posted by: joncelli at April 22, 2010 08:49 PM (Ko4Av)

--yeah.  Chris Samuels is approaching retirement.

Thanks, I needed another reason to dislike Berman.

Huh.

Woulda figured that would have earned him points in your book!

Yeah, I'm going to cower in the corner with my brain bleach for awhile now.

Yeah, well I'm still trying to recover from that rotting corpse you posted earlier!

I'm not sure what laceyunderalls meant but then again I don't really want to know.

Why does Denver keep trading down? To have the chance to get more of the players they want?

 The Skins needed an OT? Really?

Oh my god yes.  They need a whole new offensive line.  Samuels and Jansen are gone next year.  Jason Campbell almost got killed last year because of the leaky line. 

Is what Denver's doing really all that ill-fated?

I don't know, so I'm asking, but if you can pick up additional picks in the draft to fill multiple spots while others hange their hopes on the big names in the 1st, it doesn't really seem like such a bad trade-off.

What are the statistics on 1st round picks vs 2nd and 3rd round picks when it comes to NFL career success?

OK, IÂ’m a draft idiot, for sure, but it seems like a bride is assured when she reaches the end of the aisle that the groom will still be there, whereas with the draft the bride may find that someone has swooped in and run off with her groom at the last minute, right?

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at April 22, 2010 08:51 PM (RZ8pf)

Naw, I wasn't trying to bust your ass, just being my usual clever self.  Was merely saying they put a shitload of time, effort, and money into figuring out exactly who they want.  And who they want if they can't get the first guy.  And who/what they'd trade him for.  Etc.  They don't get surprised, and if they do get surprised, somebody might get fired.

Huh.

Woulda figured that would have earned him points in your book!

Posted by: laceyunderalls at April 22, 2010 08:52 PM (YQ0yr)

I'm pissed it was him and not me.  And I don't want to imagine that fat fuck gettin' it on.

I'm not sure what laceyunderalls meant but then again I don't really want to know.

Why does Denver keep trading down? To have the chance to get more of the players they want?

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at April 22, 2010 08:53 PM (RZ8pf

I'm not watching really but probably because they don't want any of the players higher rated and don't want the hit for taking the "wrong guy" at that spot.  So they trade down for a lower number and maybe get some more picks.  Along with that they can get the guy that they want and sign him to a cheaper contract than they would have had to at their previous spot.

Oh my god yes.  They need a whole new offensive line.  Samuels and Jansen are gone next year.  Jason Campbell almost got killed last year because of the leaky line. 

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 22, 2010 08:54 PM (yQWNf)

Man, Campbell is taking it right in the ass.  I hope the Redskins stink up the place this year.  Hopefully McNabb'll pull a Theisman.

Moral of the story: become a hack sports broadcaster with absolutely no discernable talent, personality, or looks and you'll get an unlimited supply of snatch.

Moral of the story: become a hack sports broadcaster with absolutely no discernable talent, personality, or looks and you'll get an unlimited supply of snatch.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at April 22, 2010 09:00 PM (YQ0yr)

You're so cool.

207...

What? Date Cathy Lee Crosby?

Posted by: GT

Dude WTF!!  Do you get Anything right??   hahahahahaha

You know... The Jags, right now, have a problem a hell of a lot bigger than any particular position. They cannot sell seats. They've covered them and covered more but cannot sell enough in a mid-sized, fairly low-wage metro area to rid themselves of blackouts.

Homeboy Tebow would have put asses in the seats!

Why does Denver keep trading down? To have the chance to get more of the players they want?

When you trade down, you get a larger quantity of picks in exchange for the higher picks-- presumably, those of higher quality-- you trade away.

If you think you know the draft better than most of the other teams (thereby "stealing" players who are otherwise rated too low) or you have a ton of holes to fill, or you have no idea what you want...  you trade down.

In the last case, you will see teams trading worse picks for marginally better ones in future drafts... this years' picks for future picks belonging to other teams

Newsbreak:
Karl Rove told Greta Van Susteren last night that the democratic banking bill will allow the feds to monitor checking accounts and credit cards.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at April 22, 2010 09:06 PM (7VvJB)

Wow, the ACLU will freak out. _{Uh, right?}

Homeboy Tebow would have put asses in the seats!

Posted by: jmflynny at April 22, 2010 09:05 PM (uyljC)

That requires playing him immediately and possibly running your franchise into the ground for the next half decade because you picked a project and treated him like he was Peyton Manning.

221...

The suit says it all.

I mean seriously, you just got drafted, show some excitement.

OK, wait, maybe I'm being dumb again, do the players not have any choice, they have to go with the team that drafts them?

Posted by: GT

Damn, I got goosebumps just reading that.  Greatest baseball moment I've ever watched live.  (on tv, not saying I was there)

227...

From what I understand, if they turn down the team that picks them, they must take a serious dive in the draft which adds up to millions as a 1st rounder.

 someone ghey like the Seahawks.

Hey now! Our team isn't that gay.

Tough choice:

1st round of the draft or the finale of Project Runway.

Good thing I have On-Demand.

I mean seriously, you just got drafted, show some excitement.

OK, wait, maybe I'm being dumb again, do the players not have any choice, they have to go with the team that drafts them?

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at April 22, 2010 09:09 PM (RZ8pf)

They can try to force a deal like Eli Manning did.  Or else they can refuse to sign a deal and wait it out.  The draft basically gives that team the rights to sign you.  No other team can sign you or talk to you, until the next year.  That was a possibility with Crabtree and the 49ers last year.  So yeah if you don't like your team you're pretty screwed if you didn't want to go to them.

239

As a Giant fan, I still hold hard feelings about the greatest play in Super Bowl history, the Manning -> Tyree play, being called by Joe Buck like a 2nd and 7 in Week 4.

Buck did the same thing when A-Rod tied the game with a HR in the playoffs last year.

I guess my point is, I hate Joe Buck.

But donÂ’t the players sort of know which teams are looking at them ahead of time and give an indication that they would be open to playing for that team? Because it seems like it wouldnÂ’t do a team any good to draft a player that isnÂ’t enthused about playing for them. But, maybe it doesnÂ’t matter anymore and it is all about the Benjamins anyway.

Spiller to my Bills? Really? Because we want to see a 12-million-per stud get crushed behind a shit O-line?

Pick Tebow in the second. Let him get killed, too.

Nix is happy now. He's got his LaDanian. Now he can sign an Antonio Gates as a rookie free agent. Being a GM is fun!

I wanted my Samoan O-lineman. Goddammit.

Posted by: mare at April 22, 2010 09:20 PM (X1fsj)

I think it's spelled o-v-e-r-r-a-t-e-d.

Posted by: mare at April 22, 2010 09:29 PM (X1fsj)

Didn't Elway tell the Colts if they drafted him he would play baseball instead and the Colts drafted him anyway.

 mpfs at April 22, 2010 09:32 PM (QuP9W)

Ya want to talk about shoes?

His girlfriend/wife said they were wined and dined in New York for baseball so it was really a viable option.

I'm glad he chose football and I imagine he is satisfied with the choices he made as well.

It's exciting just to think of all the little leaguers who go out every Saturday and bust their little asses, be it a sunny or rainy day. They play high school ball and give their hearts to the game and start praying for a college scholarship at a football powerhouse. They dream of being one of the elite few to actually make it to the NFL, much less play and, by miracle of miracles, become a great player against the greatest players in the world.

It's a friggin miracle that the young men make it this far and, much of the time, they made it through some of the worst of circumstances.

If that's not exciting, I don't know what is.

 jmflynny at April 22, 2010 09:44 PM (uyljC)

I agree with you. But is seems too many of them, when they hit the big time, don't know how to handle it and screw up the huge opportunity.

I'm right here.

Good. What do you want to talk about. Don't make it a difficult subject.

I'm right here.

Good. What do you want to talk about. Don't make it a difficult subject.

First of all are you male or female?

And why would that matter. We can still have a good discussion without sex being involved.

Lemon Kitten at April 22, 2010 10:13 PM (0fzsA)

I believe you are in CO as I am. What do you think of the Tebow pick?

298    lowandslow at April 22, 2010 10:20 PM (GZitp)

Will Favvvrer come back? 

I'm a Bronco's fan in CO and I like the Tebow pick. (But I'm not all dialed in on exactly what they need and who's available) I like Tebow's attitude and work ethic. And Orton's ankles are chronically weak as we saw last year.

302      Huckleberry at April 22, 2010 10:25 PM (F71c5)

 I'm Like you. I haven't paid much attention to the Broncos once they started down hill. I still watch them and root for them, but I don't know what they need. I do know the new coach has traded off a couple of real good players because they had a bad attitude or something.

Ronster---

I believe you are in CO as I am. What do you think of the Tebow pick?

I like!  What position does he play?

So Dan Snyder continues to ruin the Redskins.  Donovan McNabb as the next QB?  And yet another head case in Terrell Owns possibly.

Will no one rid me of this useless owner?

312       Lemon Kitten at April 22, 2010 10:35 PM (0fzsA

He played Quarterback in college. I don't what the Broncos have planned for him. Probably QB.

Read my lips ... Tebow will not go in the first round.

Worse. Here's hoping Tebow brings an end to the Brister-Griese-Plummer-Cutler-Orton era.

(Would the holder of ticket number 139, please come up to the front desk to claim your prize.)

JP-P is a very bad man.

He made the preseason All-American DE George Selvie look pedestrian on the field.