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December 01, 2009

And Climate "Scientist" Michael Mann to be Investigated, Too
— Ace

Penn State will, supposedly, investigate Mann. I expect a Rathergate-style whitewash. Bear in mind -- in one of the appendices to the the Rathergate report, their expert in document authentification determined, without question, the documents were forged, but in the report itself, CBS' bought and paid for investigators claimed there was still some ambiguity on this issue. Giving CBS and Rather the scrap of deniability they paid for.

I can already write the conclusion: Mistakes were made. But the science is settled. And I didn't have to open a single book.

But still.

The media sort of has to make mention of this now, eh?

The Penn State administration plans to investigate Climategate and determine if it needs to take further action, the Daily Collegian reports. A little more than a week ago, E-mails exchanged among an English university's climate change researchers were illegally obtained from a server and posted online, the report says.
Climate change opponents say the E-mails indicate that climate change researchersÂ—including Penn State Prof. Michael MannÂ—exaggerated or fabricated global warming data. And, according to the report, some E-mails indicate that the director of the research unit in question may have contacted researchers and asked them to "delete certain E-mails."
Penn State officials, who will not discuss the matter, are investigating the controversy. If anything requires further inspection, the school will handle it, a spokesman tells the Daily Collegian.

Who, O Who?, could have possibly predicted that if "scientists" were permitted to work in the darkness, their data and methods shuttered from the light of day, their careers and salaries dependent on finding the "right" result, that the process would end up corrupt, self-serving, and hopelessly mercenary?

Oh yeah -- that's right. We did. The people who care about genuine science, and who don't just want to put on a "Pro-Science" talisman to impress the college chippies.

Posted by: Ace at 11:40 AM | Comments (140)
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1 Hopefully a future headline will read

"From Penn State to State Pen"

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at December 01, 2009 11:42 AM (IqfKc)

2 No seriously. It's a fucking hockey stick! Not up the ass please!!!!

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!

Posted by: Michael Mann at December 01, 2009 11:42 AM (Q1lie)

3 I've already secured the rights to the Hide the DeclineÂ™ b roll erotic films so don't even think about trying to court my Michael Mann.

Posted by: Michael Mann's San Fernando Valley Booking Agent at December 01, 2009 11:43 AM (GtYrq)

4 I'm glad we don't play hockey here in England. We have civilized sports like Cricket. Oh bloody hell, I shouldn't have said that.

Posted by: Phil Jones at December 01, 2009 11:44 AM (Q1lie)

5 You fucked up. You trusted us.

Posted by: Fortran Code at December 01, 2009 11:44 AM (GtYrq)

6 Regardless of how this investigation turns out, I think we can all agree that Ki-Jana Carter was a hell of a running back.

Posted by: Ted Kennedy's Gristle Encased Head at December 01, 2009 11:44 AM (+lsX1)

7 Rather and CBS had a thirty-year relationship that they didn't want to end on such a sour note. I doubt Mann and Penn St have such a connection.

Let's not forget that Pennsylvania has quite a few conservatives in it who aren't going to let this issue slide either.

Posted by: Charles Gibson at December 01, 2009 11:45 AM (4jZ56)

8 Global Warming id DEAD!!

Suck it, GREENIES!!

Posted by: G Gordon liddy at December 01, 2009 11:45 AM (cQtfs)

And maybe he won't screw up another Transformers movie either.

[Exits with smug know-it-all look.]

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 01, 2009 11:45 AM (B+qrE)

10 damn sockpuppet

Posted by: taylork at December 01, 2009 11:45 AM (4jZ56)

hehe... this would be like the news media trying to do their jobs without using the telephone

I just got that

Posted by: Truman North at December 01, 2009 11:45 AM (e8YaH)

12 Ironically, Phil Jones and Michael Mann were both able to deny us entry to their party.

Posted by: The Salahis at December 01, 2009 11:45 AM (GtYrq)

13
What does Leonardo Dicaprio think of all this?

We need his opinion!

Posted by: a.k.a. at December 01, 2009 11:45 AM (PtVrV)

14 man i hate shep. i just heard him say that bush took his time on the surge in iraq and there was no talk of dithering then... Shep, get ur mouth off the pipe. in fact, thats all i heard about the surge. can someone refresh my memory but didnt obama get asked for 30K troops about 7 months ago and he agreed on 17K?

Posted by: sliderblaze at December 01, 2009 11:46 AM (3hUc/)

15 Penn State. That's Sean Penn's outfit, isn't it?

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at December 01, 2009 11:47 AM (QKKT0)

16 Monetize the Eschaton!

-

Posted by: BumperStickerist at December 01, 2009 11:47 AM (ruzrP)

17 What ? An investigation ? Who knew ? It wasn't in the NYT

Posted by: Neo at December 01, 2009 11:48 AM (tE8FB)

18
Yeah, right... "<a href="http://tinyurl.com/y8fj2b4">Bear in mind.</a>" Heh.

Posted by: Ran / Si Vis Pacem at December 01, 2009 11:49 AM (lS2sx)

19 To: Mike Mann and Phil Jones
Re: Hide the Decline

Now that you two have some free time, we were wondering if you could help us out on a little problem we have here that is surprisingly similar to the one you have. I'll have my people call your people so we can discuss.

Posted by: New York Times Circulation Dept at December 01, 2009 11:49 AM (wOGfT)

20 Will they put Mann in the Penn State .. Penitentiary ?

Posted by: Neo at December 01, 2009 11:50 AM (tE8FB)

21 Meanwhile, neither Google or Bing autocomplete now respond with "Climategate"

Posted by: Huckleberry at December 01, 2009 11:50 AM (s2bW4)

22 Unfortunately, I don't trust Penn State with this investigation. If they couldn't have been prompted by Mann's insane hockey stick into investigating his pseudo-scientific babbling, then I don't see where their input on anything would be worthwhile. That said, it's nice that Penn State has, at least, felt the need to present this facade. The rest will unravel while Penn State is still working on how to save their pseudo-science departments, and hopefully, half of the administration there will go down with it.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at December 01, 2009 11:50 AM (A46hP)

23 Nothing to see here folks. Move along. Move along.

Posted by: MSM at December 01, 2009 11:50 AM (cQtfs)

Speaking of academic investigations and whitewash, how about this about American FOIA requests and phoney data; and this bit more about a Wang at State University of New York. Forget hiding the sausage, this is about hiding Wang.

Posted by: andycanuck at December 01, 2009 11:51 AM (2qU2d)

25 So let me get this straight....The MSM AKA the defenders of freedom, got scooped by a college paper?

First it was The National Enquirer and now The Daily Collegian....You have got to fucking kidding me????

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at December 01, 2009 11:52 AM (IqfKc)

26 If there is a reasonable suspicion that the Penn State scientist(s) deleted data or otherwise tampered with their records, there should be a university-wide audit by the federal granting agencies who fund Penn State scientists.

It really doesn't take that much in terms of violations to trigger such an audit.

Posted by: The Most Interesting Man in the World at December 01, 2009 11:52 AM (sey23)

And maybe he won't screw up another Transformers movie either.

[Exits with smug know-it-all look.]

I think those where done by Michael Bay.

Michael Mann the director who did Heat and Last of the Mohicans is actually quite good I think.

Posted by: Roadking at December 01, 2009 11:52 AM (DvkHj)

28 Begone The Most Interesting Man in the World!

Posted by: Y-not at December 01, 2009 11:52 AM (sey23)

29 The university MUST largely exonerate Mann, or congressmen will be asking that the university and Mann return grant money.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 01, 2009 11:53 AM (HhnQ0)

30 Same reservations about this as with the East Anglia investigations: it depends on who's doing the investigating. If there's an actual impartial board then something might come of this; if it's only within Mann's department, then nothing at all will come of it. (UVa should check into his work while he was there too.)

Posted by: joncelli at December 01, 2009 11:53 AM (RD7QR)

24 Meanwhile, neither Google or Bing autocomplete now respond with "Climategate"

try "climaquiddick"

then

try "hackergate"

Posted by: Truman North at December 01, 2009 11:54 AM (e8YaH)

32 Haters!!

Posted by: The Charles Johnson Southern Poverty Anti-Defimation Law League. at December 01, 2009 11:54 AM (wgLRl)

33 The CRU leak shows that Mann is an ass. I suspect he has not endeared himself to his colleagues at PSU - they may not be kind.

Posted by: Jean at December 01, 2009 11:54 AM (1bQOq)

34 End Tenure: Stop Ivy-Inbred Indoctrinating Evil.

Posted by: syn at December 01, 2009 11:55 AM (IlCz1)

35 What did Al Gore know and when did he know it?

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at December 01, 2009 11:56 AM (IqfKc)

36 Michael Mann, State Pen University

Posted by: beedubya at December 01, 2009 11:56 AM (AnTyA)

37 First it was The National Enquirer and now The Daily Collegian....You have got to fucking kidding me????

What am I .... chopped liver???

Posted by: Hannah Giles at December 01, 2009 11:56 AM (J5Hcw)

38 We have Mann and Jones being investigated meanwhile Dr. Hansen is doubling down. Quote : Â“This is not something you can compromise on. This is analogous to the situation Abraham Lincoln faced with slavery, or Winston Churchill with Nazism." Commenting on East Anglia he stated Â“Scientists have to make their data that goes into their analysis available to other scientists and the public,Â” As far as I know, Hansen makes nothing public except the fact the government is muzzling him.
Here's the link : http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/tech/news/6746321.html

Posted by: Dr. Spank at December 01, 2009 11:56 AM (mGSN1)

39 I'm Matt Damon.

Posted by: Matt Damon at December 01, 2009 11:56 AM (hQbvm)

40 Michael Mann the director who did Heat

Posted by: Roadking at December 01, 2009 03:52 PM (DvkHj)

The original (L.A. Takedown) AND the remake some six years later. I like Mann's movies, but that was sort of pathetic. Most of the lines are identical.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at December 01, 2009 11:57 AM (A46hP)

These guys are expendable grunts. You denialists have not laid a finger on me.

I work at fricken NASA, yo. I am SCIENCE.

Posted by: James Hansen at December 01, 2009 11:57 AM (wgLRl)

42 I went to Penn State. There's a nice correctional facility nearby. At least it'll won't be too far for Mann's family to visit him regularly. (A girl can dream.)

Posted by: african chick at December 01, 2009 11:57 AM (iw0v8)

43 The media sort of has to make mention of this now, eh?

ooooh good one! you owe us a new keyboard.

Posted by: The Media at December 01, 2009 11:58 AM (RykTt)

44
Yeah, right... "<a href="http://tinyurl.com/y8fj2b4">Bear in mind.</a>" Heh.

I find your lack of tinyurl linking skills... disturbing.

Posted by: Emperor Pixeytine at December 01, 2009 11:59 AM (Haq+B)

45
Meanwhile, neither Google or Bing autocomplete now respond with "Climategate"
They don't autocomplete "Climatequidick" either.

Posted by: Flying Monkey at December 01, 2009 11:59 AM (Oxen1)

The original (L.A. Takedown) AND the remake some six years later. I like Mann's movies, but that was sort of pathetic. Most of the lines are identical.

I have not seen the original that you site but the cast in Heat coupled with Mann's direction was pretty good.

Posted by: Roadking at December 01, 2009 11:59 AM (DvkHj)

47 Oh how you tried to cut me down to size
Telling dirty lies to my friends
As Gaia is my Mother, don't give up brother
The world is coming to an end

(Perp) Walk like a Mann
Talk like a Mann
Walk like a Mann my Sun
No economy's worth
Killing off the Earth
Just walk like a Mann my Sun

Good-bye PSU , I don't mean "I'll see you"
I'm gonna get along somehow
Soon you'll be sighin on account of all our lyin
Oh yeah just look who's laughing now

(Perp) walk like a Mann
Fast as I can
Walk like a Mann for you
I'll tell the World to forget about it, Al
And walk like a Mann for you

Posted by: Barney Frank's Valley and the Four Seasonings at December 01, 2009 12:00 PM (pV7oQ)

48 Both Phil and Michael are wonderful, honest, peer reviewed climate scientists and I'm sure everything will turn out just fine. In India? We don't play hockey we play Cricket. Why do you asssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! ah! ah!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Rajendra Pachauri at December 01, 2009 12:01 PM (Q1lie)

49 36 / Jean: Yes, I hope we can count on rivalry and jealosy amongst academics. There must have been others shorted on grants that envy Mann's.

Posted by: Huckleberry at December 01, 2009 12:02 PM (s2bW4)

50 32 The university MUST largely exonerate Mann, or congressmen will be asking that the university and Mann return grant money.

I'm trying to remind myself of what triggered the (in)famous mega-audit of the University of Minnesota... it was in 1998, I believe. My husband worked in grants & contracts (at a different university) and was/is well-versed in compliance issues. My recollection was that some violations (I think maybe a the UMN med school) by some researchers triggered a massive audit and jeopardized the entire university's funding stream.

Anyway, I know universities are notorious for white-washing these sorts of things, but at some point these sorts of scandals do trigger federal audits. At that point, the professors become highly expendable.

Posted by: Y-not at December 01, 2009 12:02 PM (sey23)

51 No flaming skull? The Death Star is on fire.

Posted by: Flavius Julius at December 01, 2009 12:02 PM (kKP5O)

52 Nancy told me it was da troof.
^{Did I mention my new book is coming out?}

Posted by: Newt Gingrinch at December 01, 2009 12:03 PM (EL+OC)

Now the smugocracy is going to have to really start rolling eyes and sighing at us.

Could this finally be the unraveling?

Posted by: Eleven at December 01, 2009 12:03 PM (7DB+a)

54 We can hope all is well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDAmPIq29ro

Posted by: ParisParamus at December 01, 2009 12:03 PM (I2aaX)

thats it, banned forever ace

i bid you adieu

and i'll run you over with my bike if i see you

Posted by: you know who at December 01, 2009 12:03 PM (bWKzJ)

56 I would rather see Mann sweeping the walks at Eglin myself. He can truly enjoy Global Warming there.

Posted by: Jean at December 01, 2009 12:03 PM (tJF9l)

57 #54: Not yet.

Posted by: ParisParamus at December 01, 2009 12:04 PM (I2aaX)

58 Posted by: Roadking at December 01, 2009 03:59 PM (DvkHj)

I liked them both. It was just the idea of quickly remaking ones own movie (without any real changes) that struck me as odd.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at December 01, 2009 12:04 PM (A46hP)

59
If anything requires further inspection, the school will handle it, a spokesman tells the Daily Collegian.

Oh like hell,I'm pretty sure the school has received millions of taxpayer dollars to fund research into AGW.

Posted by: bulwark at December 01, 2009 12:05 PM (jvrmc)

60
The Death Star is on fire.

Funny you should say this. The Death Star was not destroyed and I have a bad feeling the evil empire will rebuild and indeed strike back.

Posted by: a.k.a. at December 01, 2009 12:06 PM (PtVrV)

61 I don't know if they can whitewash this.

Oh, I know they'll try but they are on the defensive now. If there are just a few stand up science types with enough standing to say put it all out there and let the scientific process work, they'll be in trouble.

It won't be easy but at least there's an opening.

Posted by: DrewM. at December 01, 2009 12:06 PM (FCWQb)

62
Freaking 50Âº downtown with a 20mph wind howling between the buildings. I froze my a$$ off going to lunch.

Posted by: Dang Straights at December 01, 2009 12:06 PM (Haq+B)

63 Here I live in a state (Oregon) where our governor tried to fire our state climatologist because he was a GW skeptic. The best part is that our idiot governor didn't know that just because someone has the honorary title of state climatologist doesn't mean he works for the governor (which this guy doesn't).....what a fucking dipshit.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at December 01, 2009 12:06 PM (IqfKc)

64

And then enter the Ewoks...

Posted by: a.k.a. at December 01, 2009 12:06 PM (PtVrV)

65 Mann and his hockey stick have already been investigated by the Canadian (McIntyre?).

The obvious errors that were found in his data and work are not errors of mistake. They are obvious fraud but the MSM wants you to know about Tiger and his wife.

This 'investigation" will be just like the 9-11 commission. All the people sitting on the committee and doing the "investigating" should be on the other side of the desk being investigated.

Posted by: Vic at December 01, 2009 12:06 PM (CDUiN)

66 I suspect he has not endeared himself to his colleagues at PSU - they may not be kind.

I'm sure they're highly pissed off, but that won't stop them from covering for him. If Mann were drummed out in disgrace, it would damage the whole university research funds/grants effort as well as alumni fund raising efforts, and people might start asking tough questions about other dubious projects.

They'll try a whitewash first and see if they can get away with it. If they do, then Mann will quietly "retire", go on an unpaid "sabbatical", or suddenly develop medical problems that will require "extensive home rest" sometime next year.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 01, 2009 12:07 PM (HhnQ0)

67 C'mon, Professor, I'm waiting for you!

Posted by: What's a Nittany? at December 01, 2009 12:07 PM (sey23)

68 I used to rule the world
Seas would rise when I gave the word
Now in the morning I sleep alone
Sweep the streets I used to own

Posted by: Micahel Mann & Phil Jones at December 01, 2009 12:07 PM (Q1lie)

69 We are truly blessed to be living in the golden age of makin' stuff up.

Posted by: Dr Carlo Lombardi at December 01, 2009 12:08 PM (qBgRU)

I don't think these emails and data were ever hacked. I think they were leaked by a disgruntled employee and the "Russian hackers" did nothing more than launder it.

This is the warmist version of the Pentagon Papers.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth (now with 100% more smugness!) at December 01, 2009 12:09 PM (wgLRl)

71 As I recall from the Ward "Chutch" Churchill dismissal, there is quite a bit of procedure that goes into firing a tenured professor but it can be done.

Posted by: Huckleberry at December 01, 2009 12:10 PM (s2bW4)

72 They'll try a whitewash first and see if they can get away with it. If they do, then Mann will quietly "retire", go on an unpaid "sabbatical", or suddenly develop medical problems that will require "extensive home rest" sometime next year.
Posted by: Purple Avenger

He'll be lucky if that's what they do. From what I understand, the thing you really don't want to have happen is to get into it with Joe Pa. He's a force to be reckoned with at PSU.

Posted by: Y-not at December 01, 2009 12:10 PM (sey23)

73 This is the warmist version of the Pentagon Papers.

The Temperature Papers?

Posted by: ParisParamus at December 01, 2009 12:10 PM (I2aaX)

"Penn State officials, who will not discuss the matter, are investigating the controversy. If anything requires further inspection, the school will handle it, a spokesman tells the Daily Collegian."

Yeah, I bet they will handle it. That's like having the Manson family investigate the Tate/Labianca murders.

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at December 01, 2009 12:10 PM (H7Rlw)

75 Listen to me now on radio Hannity. I won't mention this small climate kerfuffle or my RNC meddling though.

Posted by: Newt Gingrinch at December 01, 2009 12:11 PM (EL+OC)

76 "I can already write the conclusion: Mistakes were made. But the science is settled. And I didn't have to open a single book."

Fake but Accurate. You cannot argue against truthiness.

Posted by: Arbalest at December 01, 2009 12:11 PM (7CMP3)

77 53 32 The university MUST largely exonerate Mann, or congressmen will be asking that the university and Mann return grant money.

Not true. If they do that they are jeopardizing future grant money for legitimate research. Most of the money they will have to give back was going to go to salaries of proven liars and costs associated with projects that should be cancelled anyway.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at December 01, 2009 12:11 PM (IqfKc)

78 It would be cool (!) if protest and chaos descended on Copenhagen. I hope it happens.

Posted by: ParisParamus at December 01, 2009 12:12 PM (I2aaX)

... I wonder what that pompous s-o-b Ward Churchill is doing now.

Posted by: Huckleberry at December 01, 2009 12:13 PM (s2bW4)

Michael Mann the director who did Heat and Last of the Mohicans is actually quite good I think.

Posted by: Roadking at December 01, 2009 03:52 PM (DvkHj)

Two Michael Manns who make millions producing works of fiction. Who'd a thought it?

Posted by: Insomniac at December 01, 2009 12:13 PM (DrWcr)

Global warming is settled science.

I am a stalwart Republican.

Posted by: Dede Scuzzafava at December 01, 2009 12:14 PM (wgLRl)

82 Meanwhile, neither Google or Bing autocomplete now respond with "Climategate" They do for me. Maybe the internets are broken or something. Quick! Call Al Gore. He invented it. He can fix it!

Posted by: Che Pizza at December 01, 2009 12:14 PM (SPSOE)

83 We need a montage. Quick, queue the penguins!

Posted by: Al Gorism at December 01, 2009 12:14 PM (GwPRU)

84 Off topic, but it ties in somewhere:

Regarding the latest Ponzi-scheming lawyer to be charged, a Mr. Scott Rothstein, we find that <blockquote>"Rothstein, a frequent campaign contributor who was often photographed with politicians, lived a lavish life with opulent homes and a fleet of foreign sports cars"</blockquote>.

No doubt it is my slimy, hating-hater nature, but I suspect that this is another big Democrat contributor.

Posted by: razorbacker at December 01, 2009 12:15 PM (lO+6d)

85 82

... I wonder what that pompous s-o-b Ward Churchill is doing now.

I heard he got a job working at a Cigar store.

Posted by: Interwebs Comment Guy at December 01, 2009 12:15 PM (wgLRl)

86
Government research grants... government guaranties for housing loans... government farming subsidies... government education

Bubble, bubble, bubble, bubblehead

Posted by: Flying Monkey at December 01, 2009 12:15 PM (Oxen1)

87 Ward Churchill after a minor operation has changed his name to KayInMaine

Posted by: MSM at December 01, 2009 12:16 PM (cQtfs)

88 There IS climate change. It's called "THE WEATHER" you morons!

Posted by: Mother Nature at December 01, 2009 12:16 PM (SPSOE)

89 Quick! Call Al Gore. He invented it. He can fix it!

Posted by: Che Pizza at December 01, 2009 04:14 PM (SPSOE)

Gore is busy trying to destroy capitalism, now. He's opening up a company that will sell profit offsets. It's pure genius, really.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at December 01, 2009 12:16 PM (A46hP)

90 I heard he got a job working at a Cigar store.

RACIST !

Posted by: Barbarian at December 01, 2009 12:17 PM (EL+OC)

91 Oh, and one other thing... This "climate change" you speak about? It's not man made. I MAKE IT YOU IDIOTS!!!!! Except in San Diego. I leave it alone there....

Posted by: Mother Nature at December 01, 2009 12:17 PM (SPSOE)

92 Hahaha, Ace my man, if you think your commenters are rude you should check out some of the scientists over at the science blogs. The PSU EMS alumni will not allow Easterling to magic this away. Piltdown Mann is done.

Posted by: dr kill at December 01, 2009 12:18 PM (KXVFz)

93 The media sort of has to make mention of this now, eh?

Yeah, tonight we'll be talking to Levi Johnston about a possible connection between Sarah Palin and the evil hackers who illegally stole email from some innocent scientists who were trying to save the world.

Posted by: MSNBC at December 01, 2009 12:18 PM (saRwI)

94 There is a state pen right down the road from Penn State.... Rockview! Here's the urls for the latest local coverage... http://www.centredaily.com/news/ education/penn_state/story/1652899.html http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive /2009/12/01/climate_theory_emails_missing.aspx

Posted by: KF at December 01, 2009 12:19 PM (/wrw/)

Who am I? Why am I here?

Hey everybody, I am new here. I was told I would be apprenticing with the skilled and experienced trolls here at AoSHQ. Has anybody seen them?

Posted by: Troll 431-1001-123D at December 01, 2009 12:19 PM (wgLRl)

96
It really is pathetic this story has all the makings of something a true journalist should be drooling over,greed corruption,conspiracy,international intrigue.And it's being ignored.

Posted by: bulwark at December 01, 2009 12:19 PM (jvrmc)

97 That is to say that alumni contributing far exceeds federal money. They must be scared s-less. See how I did that without offending anyone?

Posted by: dr kill at December 01, 2009 12:19 PM (KXVFz)

99
It really is pathetic this story has all the makings of something a true journalist should be drooling over,greed corruption,conspiracy,international intrigue.And it's being ignored.

True journalist? Never heard of one.

Posted by: Charles Gibson at December 01, 2009 12:21 PM (wgLRl)

99 It really is pathetic this story has all the makings of something a true journalist should be drooling over,greed corruption,conspiracy,international intrigue.And it's being ignored.

Truly is pathetic.

Perhaps FOX could assign Geraldo to the story. He did so well with the vault thing...

Posted by: Barbarian at December 01, 2009 12:21 PM (EL+OC)

100 #95 dr kill

some blog names please. I got a few hours to multi blog.

Posted by: Bill in Baltimore at December 01, 2009 12:22 PM (cQtfs)

101 99
It really is pathetic this story has all the makings of something a true journalist should be drooling over,greed corruption,conspiracy,international intrigue.And it's being ignored.

Posted by: bulwark at December 01, 2009 04:19 PM (jvrmc)

and sex...we know the public is getting royally screwed!

Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at December 01, 2009 12:25 PM (Vu6sl)

102 Meanwhile, neither Google or Bing autocomplete now respond with "Climategate" They do for me. Maybe the internets are broken or something. I stand corrected. Only "climategate" auto-completed in Chrome's address bar. It did not complete when using the search box for IE, Firefox & Chrome.

Posted by: Che Pizza at December 01, 2009 12:26 PM (SPSOE)

103 BiB, I'm partial to pharyngula, especially the most recent post about cooking some sort of on line poll. Man there is a ton of laughs in there. Hear the lamentations of the enemy, and read the savage attacks on AGW skeptics. Spectacular. I recommend it highly

Posted by: dr kill at December 01, 2009 12:27 PM (KXVFz)

104 It really is pathetic this story has all the makings of something a true journalist should be drooling over, greed corruption, conspiracy, international intrigue.And it's being ignored.

Back to another one of my original questions; this one a "what if"

What IF this had been emails lifted from a big pharma company, or even better a big tobacco company. Even Tiger Woods would be bumped off the front page news for weeks on end.

Posted by: Vic at December 01, 2009 12:28 PM (CDUiN)

105 dr kill thank you sir.

Posted by: Bill in Baltimore at December 01, 2009 12:29 PM (cQtfs)

106 This very troubling occasion calls for a serious review. We will be consulting Jerry "Moonbeam" Brown of California for his investigative prowess. We welcome his expertise and believe that a reasonable resolution can be had just as it has been as evidenced by his handling of ACORN fraud. We believe his report will provide the exact amount of patina needed to reassure the public that the science really is settled.

Posted by: Penn State Science, Auditing & Whitewashing Department at December 01, 2009 12:32 PM (5zA/v)

107 bulwark, missing sex - where do get the sex part

Posted by: Jean at December 01, 2009 12:33 PM (NI090)

108 We are in dire straits. You know what this situation needs? Another Obama news conference!!!!

Posted by: The Cult of Global Warming at December 01, 2009 12:35 PM (SPSOE)

109

We have Mann and Jones being investigated meanwhile Dr. Hansen is doubling down. Quote : Â“This is not something you can compromise on. This is analogous to the situation Abraham Lincoln faced with slavery, ....

My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union~Abraham Lincoln

It appears that Hansen doesn't know history any better than he knows science. James Hansen, if Abraham Lincoln or Sir Winston Churchill were alive today they'd kick your lying ass, how dare you compare yourself to them!

(compare yourself to Obama all you like)

Posted by: Speller at December 01, 2009 12:40 PM (7Ldd7)

110 Well. It's official now. Climategate has it's own Wikipedia page. ClimateGate As expected, it focuses more on how the documents were obtained than the content of the documents.

Posted by: The Cult of Global Warming at December 01, 2009 12:42 PM (SPSOE)

111 Since this clown Mann will (hopefully) be found to be fraudulently using Federal Money, he should be sent to Federal Prison. There is a nice maximum security one about 45 minutes east of State College in Lewisburg. I hear they like his type there and he'll still be close to his "research.".

Posted by: Hedgehog at December 01, 2009 12:45 PM (oQIfB)

112 Â“This is not something you can compromise on. This is analogous to the situation Abraham Lincoln faced with slavery, or Winston Churchill with Nazism." Deniers = Slave Owners/Racists Deniers = Nazis/Fascists Name calling? That's all Hansen has? Stick a fork in him. He's done.

Posted by: Che Pizza at December 01, 2009 12:46 PM (SPSOE)

113 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEiLgbBGKVk

Hide this.

Posted by: Flavius Julius at December 01, 2009 12:48 PM (kKP5O)

114

As expected, it focuses more on how the documents were obtained than the content of the documents.#113

Gee, since nobody knows how they were obtained, except for the statement of Phil "I'm a Stranger to the Truth" Jone's statement that CRU was "hacked", that must be a really short Wiki stub.

Posted by: Speller at December 01, 2009 12:48 PM (7Ldd7)

115 38 What did Al Gore know and when did he know it?

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at December 01, 2009 03:56 PM (IqfKc)

Jack shit, from the get go.

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at December 01, 2009 12:51 PM (w41GQ)

116 Ring of fire, and the fires burn higher.

Posted by: bill-tb at December 01, 2009 12:53 PM (iiiMw)

117 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZrhG2iT3H0

Ring of Fire.

Posted by: Flavius Julius at December 01, 2009 12:58 PM (kKP5O)

118 As expected, it focuses more on how the documents were obtained than the content of the documents.

Yup, that's the liberal narrative in all it's glory. You can be sure, though, if it was Sarah Palin's emails that got leaked, the focus would be on the content, not how they were obtained.

Posted by: OregonMuse at December 01, 2009 01:00 PM (6kI9E)

119 Bah! I thought I could expect better from my alma mater. I won't accept any conclusion unless it comes from JoePa.

Posted by: InCali at December 01, 2009 01:05 PM (Oah9O)

120 These emails were posted by a whistleblower inside. Could a hacker really have gone through all that info and only produced the emails that were downloaded.

My guess is that someone inside didn't like the refusal to comply with the FOIA request and took it upon themselves to release this stuff.

Were this the tobacco or drug companies, the old media would be shitting themselves to be first in line for interviews.

Posted by: Hedgehog at December 01, 2009 01:06 PM (oQIfB)

121 Not climate scientist. Climate scientologist. Don't credit me for the brilliance, I swiped it from a fellow Moron.

Posted by: FUBAR at December 01, 2009 01:14 PM (ZvKgM)

122 Trust me that Penn State probably finds this more of an irritant than anything. Don't expect much in the way of investigation. They'll look for any way they can to defend him.

Posted by: Just Another Cat at December 01, 2009 01:16 PM (a0x1Z)

123 This sort of crap reflects badly on my football program, and players. We won't stand for this, and Dr. Mann will be invited to pratice with us so he can understand true dedication.

You'll assigned to a position we like to call tackling dummy.

Posted by: Joe Pa at December 01, 2009 01:19 PM (1hM1d)

124 The M4GW.com ClimateGate song is so good that I can't remember the song it parodies. But this is even better, beginning at about 2:10!

http://tinyurl.com/ybkl9eo

The Climategate song:

http://tinyurl.com/ya7yevs

Posted by: ParisParamus at December 01, 2009 01:20 PM (I2aaX)

125 Wait:
This is the URL:
http://tinyurl.com/yz2oado

Posted by: ParisParamus at December 01, 2009 01:23 PM (I2aaX)

126

CO₂mmunism in action.

Posted by: andycanuck at December 01, 2009 01:26 PM (2qU2d)

127 No seriously. It's a fucking hockey stick! Not up the ass please!!!!

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!

Hockey sticks really hurt.

Posted by: Thomas Vokoun at December 01, 2009 01:31 PM (ohFJL)

128 "Draggin the Line" by Tommy James and the Shondells.

Posted by: Flavius Julius at December 01, 2009 01:46 PM (kKP5O)

129 I'm glad to be opposing Charles Johnson on the story that's making Rathergate look like a cute little whoopsie.

Posted by: Jim Treacher at December 01, 2009 02:12 PM (GrDz5)

130

I'm glad to be opposing Charles Johnson on the story that's making Rathergate look like a cute little whoopsie.

Hehe.

Posted by: Jek Porkins (rdb) at December 01, 2009 02:34 PM (RBdAa)

131 /sock muffin

Posted by: Jek Porkins (rdb) at December 01, 2009 02:36 PM (RBdAa)

132

You know, Real Climate made an inarguable point right off the bat, back on Nov. 20, that I think keeps getting overlooked. They said, "Clearly no-one would have gone to this trouble if the academic object of study was the mating habits of European butterflies. That communityÂ’s internal discussions are probably safe from the public eye." In all fairness, Real Climate has a point there, and a strong one at that.

See the obvious unfairness? The double standard? It's a double standard that strikes at the heart of science.

Posted by: Jek Porkins (rdb) at December 01, 2009 02:46 PM (RBdAa)

133 "994 peer-reviewed studies came to the same conclusion as the so-called 'climategate' study did." THAT is what we will be hearing from the un-American media.

"Peer-reviewed" means they handed the studies back and forth amongst themselves.

Posted by: RTH615 at December 01, 2009 03:22 PM (Rytlc)

134 Mann-made global warming!!!!!

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Posted by: hutch1200 at December 01, 2009 04:59 PM (oXeUp)

136 These pricks list a whole bunch of pricks willing to take your guilt ridden cash.

Ummm...I'd gladly take satchels full of guilt ridden moonbat cash for phony offset projects too. Does that make me a bad person?

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