1 Murder? Never heard of it.

2 I'd buy her a few drinks and drive her home.

3 The evidence is quite damning. Them using the anti-Americanism card to try to prove her innocence is interesting though

4

Where ya been, Ace? It's been prominently covered on Fox since the murder.

And why can't I ever play Fox videos?

5 I'm not capable of cheating — it's impossible and absurd. I'm such a family oriented guy.

6 "He's a reporter, he's a liberal." Nice.

7
She does cut to the chase
What a concept!

8

she seems to be on a criminal justice rant about libs, her column this week blasts lib Sen Candidate Martha Cokley for what Coulter calls the  Salem Withc trials II -

..Gerald Amirault, his mother, Violet, and sister, Cheryl, were accused of raping children at the family's preschool in Malden, Mass...Overzealous liberal prosecutors and feminist do-gooders allowed Gerald Amirault to sit in prison for 18 years for crimes that didn't exist -- except in the imaginations of small children under the influence of incompetent child "therapists."

God, imagine a Palin, Bachmna, L. Chenney, Coulter White House?

9 I watched this when it aired, last night. After a year of very casually (barely at all) following the story, I was under the impression the woman was innocent because people were covering her like she was innocent. But there were things about her and the case that I found fishy.

 Ann Coulter as always, blew away all the smoke. Yeah,  that woman is guilty. Jeez.

10

God, imagine a Palin, Bachmna, L. Chenney, Coulter White House?

 

I suppose that a " we'd have to hide the nuclear weapons codes on a periodic basis" would go amiss?

11 8 I'm imagining a sorority sisters sleep over.

12 Ann is great.  I hadn't followed the story at all until the verdict and read a couple articles from the UK press and was thinking wait/what happened, she seemed innocent.  Enter Coulter, exit doubt.

13 I can't get the damn thing to play.

14 From what I've read about the case (which is not exhaustive) it sounds like Knox is guilty as hell.  But most of the info on the trial we hear in the States comes either directly or indirectly from her attorneys.  No English language press covered most of the trial, only the opening and closing, so they'll take these "reports" at face value rather than actually talk to their Italian counterparts and get the real story.  They want to couch it as "doe-eyed innocent American co-ed is being railroaded by these evil Eyetalians" when it just isn't the case. 

Knox has changed her story at least twice, and there's a ton of physical evidence linking her to the murder.  Had the murders happened here, she'd be Casey Anthony and the #1 story for Greta and Nancy Grace.  But since it happened over there, she's the cause celeb of the press.   

15 A cautionary, sordid tale for the youth of today, but certainly not a whodunnit!!  I would imagine a lengthy stay in an Italian prison would be a nasty time indeed.  Her contributions to society will be few and only as a "don't follow this out-of-control drugs/sex path" kind of thing.  I wish I could soon completely forget about her and her pitiful parents.

16 Not sure what the truth is.

The biggest problem with this is the prosecutor who has a record of making stuff up--including evidence.   If you've ever read the book "The Monster of Florence"...well, it's the same prosecutor.

17

15  i have seen exactly where she is staying, the womens prison in sardinia

she won't last ten years

moral to the story, don't fuck around in italy, the care bears don't play

18

As someone who used to work in court, I give any version of a case told by reporters a complete zero for credibility. We would say, after reading some totally erroneous article about a case, "Was he even in the room when she testified?"

Someone should read the transcripts and view the evidence before making a judgment, or making pronouncements on the news. Coulter seems to have done a little more research than Van Zant. I personally don't think she's guilty, but what do I know?

19 I believe Knox is guilty Her cleaned up bloody footprints were found at SOC, plus multiple other DNA evidence mixed with the vics Her multiple stories show a real conciousness of guilt as well

20 side note: it is very interesting indeed why the major US media always neglects to mention Knox's bloody footprints while they do mention Sollecitos'

21

I have not heard ONE mention of the bleach from the American press, or that Knox apparently sat outside a store until it opened to buy bleach, of which Coulter says a receipt was found at Knox's residence.

22 exactly David C! the cbs shill BillO had on never mentioned ANY of the this, does he work for the Knox family?

23 My fiance had heard about this story but only that there was no real evidence against the girl and that she was convicted more because of being a boorish American. What Ann presented really blows that away.

24 good story on evidence and how Sollecito helped the proscecution with their pc: http://www.seattlepi.com/local/406059_knox09.html

25 Seriously, I am not sure she is innocent by any means (in fact, she gives me the creeps), but this prosecutor has a reputation of creating evidence and being a bit of a latter day Cotton Mather.  Read "Monster of Florence"

26 Guys, I have a question. I am not to "up" on international law and such. But could not the United States of America demand that Knox be brought to America and be put into American jails?

Isn't it against some law somewhere for a citizen of the US to held by a foreign entity?

Like I said, I'm not too up on this. Isn't there a law somewhere being broken?

-Pat

27 ....and yes, I am serious.

28 How many paragraphs would it have taken Ace to say 'He's a reporter,  he's liberal' ?  Just asking.

29

What worried me about this case was how much play this is getting in the UK media. It's a circus over there. It's not just the Great White Defendant; it's the American Defendant.

None of this is to imply that Knox is going to be found innocent of course.

30

Sigh, I got incoherent again :^/

At the end I meant to say that Knox might be guilty anyway despite that a lot of arseholes in Britain want her to be guilty.

31

Pat,

No.  Only time the US gets jurisdiction of an American committing a crime in a foreign country is if they are in the country on behalf of the US government (mainly DoD or State) with agreements on disposition.  If it is US on US, foreign government usually accedes to the US.  If it is US on Local National, the foreign government usually takes precedence in the case.

32 #8 - Since I've followed the Amirault case for years, the fact is that he and his family were conspicuously innocent.

Of course, that didn't stop people from believing they weren't. Heck, I still have to explain that there is no way in hell the McMartins were anything but innocent victims of insane prosecutors.

Coulter can be annoying, but she's right about the Amirault case, and I think she's right about Knox.

33 Hmph, If I were President, I would give them damn Italians 48 hours to hand her over or I'd declare war.

Screw the damn bastards. She's an American she should be held here. Period.

Why should those Pizza flippin' bastards be allowed to hold one of ours? Hell, the Italians still hate us because of our role in Mussolini's death.

 

34 i have seen exactly where she is staying, the womens prison in sardinia

Posted by: navycopjoe

 

 

huh.   i always assumed joe was a dude.

35 #26 Pat -

Commit a crime in another country, and you are under their law.

Sorry.

36

Prosecutors said Sollecito held Meredith down while Knox stabbed her to death with a 6-inch kitchen knife after what started as some kind of sex game.

 

Anybody have any info on That?  I guess I've lived a more sheltered life than I thought.

37

Pat,

We don't hand over foreign criminals that commit crimes in our country.  Some countries whine when their person gets the death penalty for a crime they commited here.  I'm sure someone from the embassy/consulate has been over to see her, especially since this is high profile.  We've had folks spend some time in the Turkish pokey.  If you ever go to Turkey, watch Midnight Express (banned in Turkey), and that will convince you to keep your nose clean.

38

Actually, the prosecution claimed she stabbed her with a smaller knife, the one Coulter refers to, but when the Italian coroner showed that the smaller knife couldn't have made two of the wounds, the prosecution found another knife.

Until now, I have always deeply respected and treasured Ann Coulter, but she is wrong, wrong, wrong.

Amanda Knox is utterly innocent.

39

Amanda Knox is completely innocent.

Start here: http://tinyurl.com/yawa8u7

40 I haven't followed this case closely -- but perhaps innocent of murder, but guilty of accessory to murder?  That's what I'm coming up with from what little I know of the case. 

41 Geez, sure would be nice if the media reported the news.  I thought she was innocent too.  No evidence. 

42 Coulter is my candidate for press secretary under President Palin. She'd keep those reporters in line.

43 ncj: moral to the story, don't fuck around in italy, the care bears don't play

I was traveling alone around Italy w/ a first class Eurail pass 30 years ago.  I found myself on a crowded train from Rome to Venice, sitting on the floor next to the bathroom in 2nd class. I took the opportunity to be snot nosed to a train conductor about the circumstances.   He demanded my passport or I would be arrested. 

Nothing spells trouble like losing your passport to an official in foreign country.
It was explained to me by a kind Italian lawyer on the train that  "Italy is a police state". Train employees have the power of that state.  I got my passport back 6 hours later with a lecture in Italian I could not comprehend.   I was scared shitless.

I've been there four times since.  I have rarely so much as spoken to a state employee, out of sheer terror. Yes sir. No sir.  You go there, you are subject to their rules.  Don't forget that, ever.

44 I generally like Ann Coulter, but her representation of the facts is extremely twisted.  There was a proven murderer with DNA all over the crime scene, Rudy Guédé, who had no connection whatsoever to Knox or her boyfriend.  Coulter doesn't even mention him, which renders her entire version of events unforgiveably misleading. 

Guédé did have a connection to the apartment building and was a sometime visitor in a downstairs apartment.  The obvious explanation is that he was the sole murderer, and all the rest of the prosecutions case is an elaborate fantasy. 

The "knife" Coulter refers to as the murder weapon could not possibly have been the murder weapon.  The footprints are explained by the fact that Knox and her boyfriend found the body.  "The bra clasp was left at the crime scene for over 40 days then collected improperly, as video footage shows. Experts have testified that the amount of DNA that prosecutors say matches Raffaele's on the bra clasp is too low to be a confirmed match, and that due to contamination, at least 10 people's DNA is on that clasp. As for the knife supposedly tying Amanda to the crime scene: This knife was collected at Raffaele's home not because it looked like a match to the wounds on Meredith but because the officer who collected it said his 'police intuition' told him it was the murder weapon."  Wonder of wonders they discovered some of the murder victims DNA on it.

Guiliano Mignini, the prosecutor, has a record of outlandish fakery and self-promotion.

Amanda Knox was railroaded by a showboating prosecutor and anti-americanism played a big role.  Ann Coulter is shamefully wrong.

45 Don't forget Ann's dad was FBI.  She's no lightweight in the Columbo field.

46 The first time I became aware of Ann Coulter she was on some show with Geraldo talking about the OJ case.  They would convene a panel every night and they would all argue for OJ's innocence... except for Ann.  She was the only one to look at the evidence objectively and she was the only one with any common sense.

I don't know anything at all about this case but I would trust her instincts over most pundits.

47

Try living in Seattle the last two years, you would have heard about this non-stop. About how innocent she is because she's American. And attractive.

By the way, I think she is guilty as sin as well. Have felt that way ever since the picture of her in a Care Bears shirt was released.

48 I have no idea if that girl is or is not guilty. On the other hand, Ann Coulter REALLY needs to gain weight - she's looking downright unhealthy.

49 For those who can't see the video or whatever, here is Ann's column on the murder.

NYT: DUKE LACROSSE PLAYERS KILLED MEREDITH KERCHER

50 Changing your story regarding what you did/did not do in connection with a crime is never a good idea.  Small variations/inconsistencies are one thing, but any major changes tend to put a big ol' "guilty" sign around your neck.

51

For those who say she's innocent:  explain the purchase of the bleach.   If a receipt for it was in her boyfriend's apartment, how did it get there?  Did the "real killer" also buy bleach to tidy up the murder scene -- Knox's own apartment ?  IOW did he return to the scene of the crime? 

Something's pretty screwy here.

 

 

52

The bleach? She's guilty because of the bleach? What bleach? Do you know what the State's entire evidence for the bleach was? It's this:

"Witness Marco Quintavalle said Saturday that a young woman entered his grocery store near Sollecito's house in Perugia at 7:45 a.m. on Nov. 2, 2007. He said the woman was waiting for him to open the store and that he and she exchanged glances when she entered.

"'It really struck me, she had a very pale face and these light eyes," said Quintavalle. "I can still see the image in my head."

"Asked by the presiding judge if that woman was present in the courtroom, Quintavalle said he was sure it was Knox. "Now I'm sure," he said, looking at her. Knox did not appear to react."

Convincing, huh?

That's it. And how many days afterwards was he asked? 1? 2? Uh, how about 365.

"Quintavalle volunteered this information to the prosecution a year later..."

And what police detective tracked him down for the vital clue? Uh, none...He came forward:

"...upon the suggestion of a reporter friend."

Still, Amanda and the bleach incident was seared upon his mind, right? A year later and it was clear as a bell. Not exactly.

"Quintavalle, who said he was not at the cash register, said he was not sure whether Knox had bought anything that morning."

Well, okay. That's how it goes, but with the apartment stinking of bleach--wait, what was that?

"A woman from Ecuador who used to be the cleaner in Sollecito's apartment around the time of the killing told the court she never used bleach.

"Rosa Natalia Guaman Fernandez De Calle said she last went to Sollecito's house on Nov. 5, 2007, when she was asked to clean "as usual" and nothing seemed different in the house.

"The woman said she neither used nor smelled bleach that day. She said that, because there were other cleaning products in the house, she could not be sure whether bleach was among them.

"Prosecutors say it is significant that the bleach was not used by the cleaning woman, yet it was smelled the day after by police.

"A lawyer for Sollecito, Luca Maori, offered the opposing view. He noted that the woman did not smell the bleach even though she remained in the house for about two hours, suggesting police might have wrongly identified the smell."

Of course, that was November 5, and "Prosecutors say that when police went to Sollecito's house on Nov. 6, 2007 - the day both defendants were arrested - the house smelled of bleach."

Why, it's clear as a bell! The maid was there on November 5--no bleach. The police went to the apartment on November 6--Bleach! Aha! So Amanda ran out early on the morning of the 6th, bought the bleach, ran back to the apartment, sterilized everything just ahead of the determined Italian police, right?

Uh...look above "Witness Marco Quintavalle said Saturday that a young woman entered his grocery store near Sollecito's house in Perugia at 7:45 a.m. on Nov. 2, 2007."
 

Uhhhh....So Amanda runs down to the grocery at 7:45 a.m. to buy the bleach, then waits around for four days before...ah, forget it.

Anyone who knows anything about eyewitness accounts knows this is a joke.

And just think: This is one of the key pieces of evidence the prosecution--and Ann Coulter--cites. Can you imagine this not being laughed out of any courtroom in America or any other civilized country?

53 Why should those Pizza flippin' bastards be allowed to hold one of ours?

Being cheaper for the American taxpayer works for me.

54
I have no idea if Knox is guilty or not. But Coulter is dead on when she points out that you have to look at foreign newspapers to get information that our domestic Pravda-wannabes just won't publish.

55 A cautionary, sordid tale for the youth of today, but certainly not a whodunnit!! I would imagine a lengthy stay in an Italian prison would be a nasty time indeed. Well, I hope she likes spaghetti. They serve it four times a day in the Italian prisons. /Mr Bridger

56 Why should those Pizza flippin' bastards be allowed to hold one of ours? Because she committed a crime on their soil? Just a guess. Suppose Mohammad Atta survived in the 9/11 plane crashing. Would you be sanguine to having Saudi Arabia demand they send him back to be tried there?

57 Leftist morality is not based on facts, it is based upon identity.  What someone does or does not do means nothing.  Who they are, or what class of identity they can assume, means everything. 

Leftists pretended that the Duke Lacrosse players were guilty because they were young white men from affluent backgrounds attending an upper tier university.

Leftists pretended OJ was innocent because he was a celebrity and because he was black.

Leftists pretend that Roman Polanski should be excused for his crimes because he's a famous auteur and holocaust survivor.

Leftists now pretend that Amanda Knox is innocent because she's a 22 year old leftist from Seattle with enough sex appeal to make Adam Lambert reconsider his options.

In all of these cases the truth was ignored, downplayed or denied by leftists because the identity of the perpetrators meant they were warranted special treatment. 

Leftists don't just deny the truth, they don't even regard it is as something to be concerned about.  You can murder someone, but if you're a hot piece of ass or have the right color skin or travel in the right social circles then that doesn't matter.  You get a pass. 

58 I've noticed that people who are so sure that Knox and her boyfriend killed Kretcher never address two points. The lead prosecutor is a fucking nutjob and the supposed motive makes absolutely no sense.

The prosecutor is under investigation for misconduct. For wiretapping another prosecutor's office. He's a loon who sees satanic conspiracies everywhere. The reason he locked onto Knox and her boyfriend as suspects immediately was because he thought this was some sort of ritualistic satanic blood orgy. Do a google search for Douglas Preston along with the Amanda Knox case. He had dealings with this prosecutor while he was writing his book The Monster of Florence. It's very telling.

The fact that the prosecutor is a kook throws into doubt every bit of evidence collected under him. He was the person that carried out the interrogation of Amanda Knox. No, she wasn't "interviewed" as Coulter said when she implicated her former employer. She was interrogated. For 13 straight hours. Give a skilled interrogator 13 hours with a college student and what do you think is going to happen? He could have gotten her to confess to being Jack the Ripper if he wanted to.

And then we get to the reason for the killing. Knox and her boyfriend, two kids with no criminal record and absolutely no indication of sexual deviancy, decided to throw a little S&M murder party with some random vagrant drug dealer they barely knew. Right.

People don't just start off their criminal careers with sadistic rape murders. It doesn't happen. Neither Knox or her boyfriend were in possession of any S&M fantasy materials (if they had been we would have heard all about it from the prosecution). There was no bondage porn, no bondage toys (Amanda owned a vibrator, which the european media made a huge deal about), nothing. These things always have their roots in deviant sexual fantasies. It's a long time interest before they get carried out.

There's a second possible motive that the prosecution brought up after they realized their sex theory was retarded. They dropped it when they realized the new theory was even more retarded. The drug dealer, Rudy Guédé, who we know for a fact is involved, originally said that he was in the bathroom after having sex with Meredith when someone broke in and murdered her. After being convicted of her murder, and after being leaned on heavily by the prosecution, he then stated that he, Knox, and the boyfriend got together and murdered Meredith for her rent money. Which was about $300. Yes, a couple upper middle class college kids decided to join forces with some random drug dealer in order to murder someone for $300. That makes perfect sense.

I admit that it's entirely possible that Amanda killed her roommate. But with absolutely no sensible motive and a head prosector insane, there's a whole lot of room for reasonable doubt in my mind.

59

I don't know if Lee is still reading this, or anyone else, but, Lee, the facts are all that matter, and judging by your post, I've been a hardcore conservative long before you were spawned.

However, you're completely right about leftists judging the Knox case by her (imposed by them) identity, not the facts or who she is as a person, which is why the European left-wing media, and the Italian left-wing judiciary, have framed her as a rich (her parents were modestly middle-class, now bankrupt from trying to defend her), spoiled (she's a waitress) American (GUILTY!)  pervert (She claims she slept with SEVEN men). If you'd take a few minutes to read this stuff, you'd see it immediately.

Knox had no motive, no opportunity, no inclination, and no ability to carry out what she's been convicted of.

Most importantly, compare the European reaction to our waterboarding terrorists three times to get critical life-saving information, with their frenzy to frame an innocent young woman.

60

I used to enjoy Ann Coulter's opinions, but this is bizarre.

The fact that she has stooped to making irrelevant comments about Amanda Knox affirms what I began to suspect a year ago while reading her bizarre articles on her websites and while reading the even more bizarre comments which are posted  on her websites regularly by the sick freaks who are her most rabid supporters. I suspect that Ann Coulter's has been gradually losing her mind, and that the only people who don't realize it yet are sick freaks who are as loony as she is.

It's sad. 

61 'And Ann Coulter makes it political -- "liberals always want to defend the guilty and prosecute the innocent," she says.' But really... aren't we all guilty?

62 Aren't we all guilty of what, you loony? (Whoa, was that supposed to be a profound rhetorical question? LOL.)

63 48 I have no idea if that girl is or is not guilty. On the other hand, Ann Coulter REALLY needs to gain weight - she's looking downright unhealthy.

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 11, 2009 07:47 PM (QECjC)

Hmmm, you know, now that you mention it,  her boobs now look bigger, when, in fact, maybe it's an optical illusion caused by the fact that the rest of her  body is shrinking, and her silicone implants are staying the same size, ya think?.

64 Ann is pitiful to watch lately. She has to struggle to put together coherent, rational comments. I don't know, but I suspect that she is still grieving over the loss of her mother with whom she was very close, and to make matters worse, she has become somewhat of a pariah in South Beach in recent months.

65 she's a cutie... that's why she's innocent.

66

Guede's dna and testimony puts him either raping or having consensual sex with the victim right before she's murdered.

The prosecutors lost me with their "sex and drug fueled" motive. It sounds like what possibly clueless older folks think young people are like. Like maybe they think Reefer Madness is an accurate portrayal.

I don't know what the burden of proof is in Italy, but the fact that Guede was a criminal known to use a knife in previous crimes, and that his DNA and testimony puts him at the scene with the victim gives me confidence that he is in fact guilty. That also makes me very suspect of his further testimony. He knows he can't deny raping/having consensual sex with the victim, so despite his presence he must explain that it was someone else who did the actual killing. If we accept that he killed the victim, exactly how much weight can be put in his story about Knox and Sollecito?

The entire case requires nothing further than Guede's participation which is the simplest and to me the most likely. That to me is enough to provide reasonable doubt. As for the window suposedly broken from the inside out, what if Guede was looking for a way to EXIT the apartment without going out the front door where he wold be seen? What if his victim was looking for a way to escape? A big deal was made about this as a staged break in and there are very simple explanations.

As for confusing statements given by Knox, a couple weeks ago Ace had a link to a lecture by a  lawyer and a police officer discussing all the reasons never to grant an interrogation to the police. One of the many reasons agreed by both is that innocent people will and do make incorrect and damning statements under skillful interrogation.

I also never really understand why finding DNA in an apartment of the people that live there and their significant others carries much weight. I would be interested in a study to see what percentage of knives in a house where no crime has occured have DNA of multiple people from the house on them. I've gotten cut reaching into messy drawers with sharp knives, for example.

67 The truth will probably never be known. Very hard to make any kind of judgement from here. Why so many stories and contradictions from two innocent people? Extreemly bizzare young lady shows no remorse and smirks right up to the point where events start to come back at her, then we see all kinds of emotion and grief.  They should have paraded her around Italy in a white Bronco, seems to help criminals out of tight spots, at least for a while.