April 02, 2014

Another Shooting At Fort Hood
— Ace

"Shelter in place," residents are advised.

An early description just came over the transom: White male armed with a .45, gray Toyota. As you know, these early reports are almost always wrong.

I have no idea if this is connected at all, but authorities have been searching for an ex-army recruit who revealed a desire to commit a Fort Hood-style attack against US servicemen.

It could be that he chose to do so at Fort Hood.

But there is no evidence, apart from the coincidence in timing, to link these stories.

Update: Commenters are telling me the Booker guy, who was wanted in connection with a possible plot to stage a Fort Hood style shooting, was caught yesterday and is in a mental health facility.

One quotes this report:

John Thomas Booker, 19, of Topeka, Kan. enlisted in the Army in February and was due to report for basic training on April 7. But the FBI interviewed him in March and alerted the Army, which formally discharged him last week. He is now in an undisclosed mental health facility, sources told FoxNews.com.

My Pet Jawa links a similar report.

However, on the live feed from KCEN below, they keep saying that guy is still wanted.

More details about Booker here.

“On 20 March 2014, the Kansas City Division FBI became aware of an individual named BOOKER aka Muhammad Abdullah Hassan who had publicly stated his intention to commit jihad, bidding farewell to his friends and making comments indicating his jihad was imminent. BOOKER had been recruited by the US Army in Kansas City, Mo., in February 2014 and was scheduled to report for Basic Training on 7 April 2014. Kansas City Division Agents interviewed BOOKER on 20 March 2014.”

Again, while KCEN is also noting the coincidence of timing, they too are saying there is no reason, apart from timing, to connect Booker to this shooting.

I don't know if he's in the mental hospital or not.

Maybe the KCEN people are talking about another guy that hasn't been named yet. I got the sense they meant Booker/Hassan, but I don't know that.

There are a couple of late reports:

CNN says there are two shooters. One is in custody. At least one person is dead.

kcentv.com - KCEN HD - Waco, Temple, and Killeen

Posted by: Ace at 02:20 PM | Comments (1016)
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1 Damn.

Posted by: Diogenes at April 02, 2014 02:21 PM (08Znv)

2 Praying.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at April 02, 2014 02:22 PM (zDsvJ)

3 Lord, please be with those people on base.  And let them kill that motherfucker responsible for this shooting.  No more bullshit trials. 

Posted by: DangerGirl at April 02, 2014 02:22 PM (GrtrJ)

4 Godspeed people

Posted by: Deskdiver at April 02, 2014 02:23 PM (cz7E5)

5 My BFF in the Senate, John McCain, told me all US Military on US soil are potential terrorists and should not be able to arm themselves.

Jeb 2016 !!!

Posted by: K. McMorris-Rogers Smelly Twat at April 02, 2014 02:23 PM (Cs2tJ)

6 Amen

Posted by: Jaimo at April 02, 2014 02:23 PM (nFmZ1)

7 Looks like somebody didn't get the memo that Fort Hood is a gun-free zone.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 02, 2014 02:23 PM (8ZskC)

8 Ace
I think the wacko recruit had been apprehended sometime yesterday.
Could be wrong though.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at April 02, 2014 02:23 PM (lceO/)

9 I didn't know the Toyota was available in .45 caliber.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 02:25 PM (bitz6)

10 Active Shooter? Shelter in place and take a Wide Stance!

Posted by: Larry Craig at April 02, 2014 02:25 PM (1g7kl)

11 No weapons on Base No Uniforms off base It's almost as if the US is embarrassed by it's Military?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 02, 2014 02:26 PM (nzKvP)

12 Prayers

Posted by: rd at April 02, 2014 02:26 PM (D+lxs)

13 This sucks.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at April 02, 2014 02:26 PM (qyfb5)

14 Ft. Hood? Sounds like a story for the cables.

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at April 02, 2014 02:26 PM (1g7kl)

15 One confirmed dead so far....

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 02, 2014 02:26 PM (gOoFi)

16 Like I wasn't already hating every politician that's breathing my air right now, and this happens.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at April 02, 2014 02:27 PM (pgQxn)

17 I think the wacko recruit had been apprehended sometime yesterday.
Could be wrong though.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at April 02, 2014 06:23 PM (lceO/)



He's in a mental health facility.  However, one of his goals was to recruit others.

Posted by: Country Singer at April 02, 2014 02:27 PM (r/e1Q)

18 I'm going down to Norfolk/Portsmouth Naval Hospital Friday. I'll probably have to get a rectal exam to get on base?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 02, 2014 02:27 PM (nzKvP)

19 It's almost as if the US is embarrassed by it's Military? Finally! Someone gets it.

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at April 02, 2014 02:27 PM (1g7kl)

20 Shelter in place? Why not lock and load?

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 02:27 PM (bitz6)

21 The FBI is searching for a recent Army recruit believed to be planning a "Fort Hood-inspired jihad against U.S. soldiers," FoxNews.com has learned. The alert, whose legitimacy was confirmed by military and law enforcement officials, stated that a man identified as Booker had told friends of his "intention to commit jihad." Booker, who is also known as Muhammad Abdullah Hassan, was recruited by the U.S. Army in Kansas City, Mo., in February 2014 and was scheduled to report for basic training on April 7. But he was discharged last week, apparently after law enforcement authorities learned of his alleged plan.

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 02:27 PM (zOTsN)

22 The left disarms our people on military bases because they hate the military. They are defenseless fish in a fucking barrel. Thank a left wing voter.

Posted by: Dan at April 02, 2014 02:28 PM (COpZ4)

23 Give. Our. Fucking. Military. Their. Loaded. Weapons. Back. On. Base. You. Fucking. Liberal. Nicklefuckers.

Posted by: DangerGirl at April 02, 2014 02:28 PM (GrtrJ)

24 KCEN is not confirming death, that's what I'm hoping unless it's the gunman.

Bled to death with over 3200 sporks stuck in him.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at April 02, 2014 02:28 PM (pgQxn)

25 On the wannabe jihadist they were looking for: http://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=41897

Posted by: Country Singer at April 02, 2014 02:28 PM (r/e1Q)

26

As you know, these early reports are almost always wrong.

 

And the later reports will be washed and scrubbed for political correctness. 

Posted by: rd at April 02, 2014 02:28 PM (D+lxs)

27 White Hispanic?

Posted by: mfm at April 02, 2014 02:28 PM (nEIMV)

28 I don't think they found the guy from yesterday's story yet -- Booker aka Hassan.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at April 02, 2014 02:28 PM (zDsvJ)

29 But he was discharged last week, apparently after law enforcement authorities learned of his alleged plan. Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 06:27 PM (zOTsN) "Discharged"--How about throwing his scumbag muslim ass in the brig

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 02, 2014 02:28 PM (nzKvP)

30 Tea Partier no doubt.

Jeb 2016 !!!

Posted by: K. McMorris-Rogers Smelly Twat at April 02, 2014 02:28 PM (Cs2tJ)

31 I am so disgusted and sick at heart over the useless political jerks who refuse to allow our service members to carry on base for protection.

I remember after the first mass shooting at Hood, some liberal idiot saying, "Well, of course guns are useless for self protection. Here's an army base with a whole bunch of trained people with guns all over the place, and they couldn't manage to shoot back competently at this one guy."

No words. Just boiling hot bone deep anger.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 02, 2014 02:28 PM (noWW6)

32 The damned Lutherans are at it again.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 02:29 PM (bitz6)

33 and this is exactly why the Obama administration is working on making the military a gun-free environment.

Posted by: azjaeger at April 02, 2014 02:29 PM (EDRaF)

34 The shortest known unit of time known to physics:
The interval of time between a major shooting and the media blaming a 'white male'/Tea Partier'.

Posted by: LeBron Horowitz at April 02, 2014 02:29 PM (cL+9V)

35 Tea Partier no doubt.

Jeb 2016 !!!

Posted by: K. McMorris-Rogers Smelly Twat at April 02, 2014 02:29 PM (Cs2tJ)

36 Eight to the hospital....

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 02, 2014 02:29 PM (gOoFi)

37 Shelter in place? Why not lock and load? Because Guns are like Bear. You don't want to poke the angry gun. When one goes crazy and starts killing people, it's best to 'play dead'.

Posted by: garrett at April 02, 2014 02:30 PM (1g7kl)

38 According to the FBI the guy they were looking for is now in a mental hospital.

Posted by: Adam at April 02, 2014 02:30 PM (Aif/5)

39 33 That would kind of nix the murder suicide thingee.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 02:30 PM (bitz6)

40 I thought Booker was found yesterday in a mental hospital.

Posted by: NoLongerintheBellyoftheBeast at April 02, 2014 02:30 PM (D/mKE)

41 This is the guy that they had been looking for:



John Thomas Booker, 19, of Topeka, Kan. enlisted in the Army in February and was due to report for basic training on April 7. But the FBI interviewed him in March and alerted the Army, which formally discharged him last week. He is now in an undisclosed mental health facility, sources told FoxNews.com.

Posted by: Country Singer at April 02, 2014 02:30 PM (r/e1Q)

42 6 Looks like somebody didn't get the memo that Fort Hood is a gun-free zone.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 02, 2014 06:23 PM (8ZskC)


Moar Signs needed...STAT!

Posted by: Red Shirt at April 02, 2014 02:31 PM (M+evy)

43 Shit. prayers and all the good wishes I can muster for everyone close to this...

Posted by: shredded chi at April 02, 2014 02:31 PM (YflNq)

44 Going back to the wacko recruit story for a bit.

From what I remember yesterday, even though he was described as a "Recruit", it would be more correct to call him a person in Delayed Entry, waiting to be sworn into active duty, and go to basic training.

He had not yet been to Basic, and had never taken the oath for Active Duty.
This is why it took a bit to locate him.

He was sworn into Inactive Reserves at the MEPS station, then returned to his civilian life to await shipping out.

The whole story was rather poorly written, and misleading.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at April 02, 2014 02:31 PM (lceO/)

45 Shelter in place? Why not lock and load? --------- Stolen from tweeter If they were armed it wouldn't be shelter in place, it would be search and destroy.

Posted by: Adam at April 02, 2014 02:31 PM (Aif/5)

46 According to the FBI the guy they were looking for is now in a mental hospital. Posted by: Adam ----------- That's what I heard also.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 02, 2014 02:31 PM (aDwsi)

47 I think the first people they should arm on Base are the Navy Dentists. THAT would put the fear of G-D into them

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 02, 2014 02:31 PM (nzKvP)

48 I wouldn't put it past T-Bone to do something like this. He always talked about taking it to 'The Man'.

Posted by: Cory Booker at April 02, 2014 02:31 PM (1g7kl)

49 Shelter in place? Why not lock and load? -------- Military have all been disarmed.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 02, 2014 02:32 PM (aDwsi)

50 Jesus H.. not again.

Posted by: jewells45 trying to keep from going crazy at April 02, 2014 02:32 PM (/IQip)

51 I think the first people they should arm on Base are the Navy Dentists. THAT would put the fear of G-D into them

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 02, 2014 06:31 PM (nzKvP)



Y'all are already armed with those damned drills.

Posted by: Country Singer at April 02, 2014 02:32 PM (r/e1Q)

52 We're only as good as the management, or, as goes the leadership, so goes the nation. I am making this about Obama here. He has many attributes - smoker of meats, confectionary packer. He is a dedicated dilettante of non-contact sports. He is the focal point of a large shadowy criminal enterprise. He is the convenient foil and Pagliacci for any and all world leaders. His Regime is Felliniesque. Never be surprised, please, by what goes on in America, now. The official response will be worthless.

Posted by: tubal at April 02, 2014 02:32 PM (YEQ2h)

53 This stuff is both sad and infuriating.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 02, 2014 02:33 PM (ZPrif)

54 I think the first people they should arm on Base are the Navy Dentists. THAT would put the fear of G-D into them Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 02, 2014 06:31 roaming bands of dentists armed with battery powered dental drills? only sound more fearsome that someone racking a shotgun is a dental drill.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 02:33 PM (rDidD)

55 Jawa Report has more on Booker. Dude is light skinned black guy. And already in an institution

Posted by: wooga at April 02, 2014 02:33 PM (fyTqI)

56 he shortest known unit of time known to physics should be a pithy name for that, like a millitrayvon or something

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at April 02, 2014 02:33 PM (+NmNn)

57

The shooter will turn out to be another middle-aged white male, like Chris Dorner and John Lee Malvo. 

 

 

(Yes this is sarcasm, check the nick)

Posted by: clueless talking head at April 02, 2014 02:33 PM (D+lxs)

58 I think is a non-story. Slow news day.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 02, 2014 02:33 PM (aDwsi)

59 Where are the Koch brothers hmm?

Posted by: Hairy Reed at April 02, 2014 02:33 PM (Aif/5)

60 So you say there was a previous shooting at Fort Hood, which up to now I'd never heard of?

Posted by: Charles Gibson at April 02, 2014 02:33 PM (7ClUK)

61 thoughts and prayers for the imperiled...

God damn the shooter

Posted by: sven10077 at April 02, 2014 02:34 PM (TE35l)

62 throw in a flash bang run in and drill the fuck outta their molars. effers will never eat hot soup, cold drinks or solid food again.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 02:34 PM (rDidD)

63 Is this not a laughing stock(no disrespect to injured and/or dead)...military base on lockdown and shelter in place for 1 dude with a gun?

Posted by: Red Shirt at April 02, 2014 02:34 PM (M+evy)

64 interestingly, no one is more afraid of special ops dentists that the english.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 02:35 PM (rDidD)

65 Y'all are already armed with those damned drills.
Posted by: Country Singer at April 02, 2014 06:32 PM (r/e1Q)


Just the sound of those things can send the most stalwart man running and screaming.

Posted by: DangerGirl at April 02, 2014 02:35 PM (GrtrJ)

66 Military bases have become easy targets.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 02, 2014 02:35 PM (aDwsi)

67 Still considered "active"....

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 02, 2014 02:36 PM (gOoFi)

68 He has a Camry now.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 02:36 PM (bitz6)

69 Stupid KCEN anchor is reading twitter, read a bunch of morbid speculation out loud and then says, we are not going to get into speculation. You just did idiot. News anchors need to stop reading random tweets from random people out loud on live TV.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 02, 2014 02:36 PM (ZPrif)

70 So sick of these cockroaches.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2014 02:36 PM (IXrOn)

71 grey Toyota camry white guy

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 02:36 PM (zOTsN)

72 This shit pisses me off on so many levels.  Especially since I can't carry on post.

Guess I'll be leaving much earlier for work tomorrow since they'll be giving everyone coming through the gate a colonoscopy.

Posted by: Country Singer at April 02, 2014 02:36 PM (r/e1Q)

73 All enemies of the USA, both foreign and domestic, are laughing their asses off.

Posted by: Bad and Getting Worse by the Minute at April 02, 2014 02:36 PM (nEIMV)

74 fun fact, I hear nevergiveup has dental masks with the ghost skull on them.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 02:37 PM (rDidD)

75 remember early reports are usually incorrect and people are just repeating what they have heard

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 02:37 PM (zOTsN)

76 Prayer up. May the only dead person be the shooter.

Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at April 02, 2014 02:37 PM (bCEmE)

77 NOB Norfolk last week.
Goblin gets on base, wrestles a gun away from a sentry, gets blown away be security force.
And we lost a damn good guy in the process, but still.

Ft Hood, the troops have to all go "Brave Sir Robin" because they are unarmed.

Yeh, something stinks.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at April 02, 2014 02:37 PM (lceO/)

78 He has a Camry now. Posted by: Boss -------------- Let's hope he doesn't stick the accelerator pedal under the floormat.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 02, 2014 02:37 PM (aDwsi)

79 Guess I'll be leaving much earlier for work tomorrow since they'll be giving everyone coming through the gate a colonoscopy. Posted by: Country Singer at April 02, 2014 06:36 PM (r/e1Q) Yeah, I can't wait to Friday to see also????

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 02, 2014 02:37 PM (nzKvP)

80 NGU - I assume you are aware of the recent shooting at NNS? Yes, expect extra scrutiny. I'd love to buy you a beer while you're down here, btw.

Posted by: shredded chi at April 02, 2014 02:38 PM (YflNq)

81 Arm the DentalOps Forces with Creepy Clown Paintings.

Posted by: Jerry Seinfeld at April 02, 2014 02:38 PM (1g7kl)

82 Annndddd... in other breaking news... The still have not found the missing airplane... Film at 11...

Posted by: Fox, still trying to jump that shark at April 02, 2014 02:38 PM (84gbM)

83 fun fact, I hear nevergiveup has dental masks with the ghost skull on them. Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 06:37 PM (rDidD) Shit good idea. Thanks

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 02, 2014 02:38 PM (nzKvP)

84 This kind of shit never happened before youtube!

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at April 02, 2014 02:39 PM (+lsX1)

85 They really need to allow servicemen and women carry. This is ridiculous, being left at the mercy of an evil lunatic who doesn't care that no arms are allowed on the base. Lord, please guard those people.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 02, 2014 02:39 PM (9J6is)

86 I assume you are aware of the recent shooting at NNS? Yes, expect extra scrutiny. I'd love to buy you a beer while you're down here, btw. Posted by: shredded chi at April 02, 2014 06:38 PM (YflNq) Yeah of course I heard. Your in Virginia Beach right

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 02, 2014 02:39 PM (nzKvP)

87 Isn't this just a local story?

Posted by: Meremortal, something's burning.... at April 02, 2014 02:39 PM (1Y+hH)

88 Moby Dick just got here.

Posted by: Capt. Ahab at April 02, 2014 02:40 PM (8ZskC)

89 Later all....

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 02, 2014 02:40 PM (gOoFi)

90 What difference does it make?

Posted by: Hillary Africanus Clinton at April 02, 2014 02:40 PM (bitz6)

91 'Pull'em ALL. Let the prosthodontist sort'em out!'

Posted by: Dental Ops Credo at April 02, 2014 02:40 PM (1g7kl)

92 60 Is this not a laughing stock(no disrespect to injured and/or dead)...military base on lockdown and shelter in place for 1 dude with a gun? Posted by: Red Shirt at April 02, 2014 06:34 PM (M+evy) There are reasons why Putin isn't all that worried about a military response from America

Posted by: kbdabear at April 02, 2014 02:40 PM (aTXUx)

93 We should wildly speculate just like the MSM.

Posted by: Killerdog at April 02, 2014 02:41 PM (eJVn4)

94 If somebody did this at LAPD headquarters, they would have imploded the building next door by now.

Posted by: Red Shirt at April 02, 2014 02:42 PM (M+evy)

95 fun fact, I hear nevergiveup has dental masks with the ghost skull on them. Posted by: yankeefifth --------------- I recall a motorcycle road racer who had his black helmet painted like a skull, and his black leathers painted like a skeleton. Apparently it was rather disconcerting to those who found him closing up behind them.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 02, 2014 02:42 PM (aDwsi)

96 18 ambulances 90 police vehicles.

Posted by: Hillary Africanus Clinton at April 02, 2014 02:42 PM (bitz6)

97 did he say 18 ambulances and 90 cop cars plus helicopters

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 02:43 PM (zOTsN)

98 Good soldiers are cursing the lockdown.

Posted by: Soona at April 02, 2014 02:43 PM (MzhHs)

99 94 WTF?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 02, 2014 02:43 PM (aDwsi)

100 TFG will call this another workplace accident.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2014 02:43 PM (IXrOn)

101 Maybe it's not such a good idea to allow converts to Islam into our military. D'oh.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 02, 2014 02:43 PM (XyM/Y)

102 If somebody did this at LAPD headquarters, they would have imploded the building next door by now. Not yet. They would have shot all the dogs first and that takes time.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 02, 2014 02:43 PM (8ZskC)

103 89 kbdabear at April 02, 2014 06:40 PM (aTXUx)

http://youtu.be/OZsrcW8rQsE

Telefon 1977

of course he had Frank, Kerry, Kennedy, and Reid on speed dial

Posted by: sven10077 at April 02, 2014 02:43 PM (TE35l)

104 Damn, another 3 ambulances plus SWAT.

Posted by: Country Singer at April 02, 2014 02:43 PM (r/e1Q)

105 18 ambulances 90 police vehicles. Posted by: Hillary Africanus Clinton at April 02, 2014 06:42 PM (bitz6) About the same amount that show up to the slightest fender bender around here.

Posted by: Jen at April 02, 2014 02:44 PM (IdGqX)

106 Looks like the police are here.
How many?  
All of em, I think.

Posted by: Red Shirt at April 02, 2014 02:44 PM (M+evy)

107 is ti true Nevergiveup has a necklace mad of jihadi teeth? also, his head mirror has night vision. getting your teeth pulled in a dark cave is even worse than in a brightly lit room.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 02:44 PM (rDidD)

108 That's a lot of Amber Lamps.

Posted by: garrett at April 02, 2014 02:44 PM (1g7kl)

109 Who will save them?

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 02:44 PM (bitz6)

110 On a positive note our military is very diverse and gay friendly!

Posted by: steevy at April 02, 2014 02:44 PM (zqvg6)

111 3 more ambulances and they should stop telling people live that SWAT is there bad guys are listening too

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 02:44 PM (zOTsN)

112 Frank Luntz ‏@FrankLuntz 56s I'm watching live, local TV coverage of the #FordHoodShooting here: http://t.co/gpdefgFlNT

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 02, 2014 02:45 PM (DmNpO)

113 another 3 ambulances plus SWAT Hut, Hut, Hut, Hut, Hut, Hut...

Posted by: garrett at April 02, 2014 02:45 PM (1g7kl)

114 My comment on the dead thread: Somebody up the chain is a slow learner. Let soldiers have guns. They are trained and everything. No combat deaths in Afghaninstan last month. They are happening in America, on bases. IDIOTS.

Posted by: Meremortal, something's burning.... at April 02, 2014 02:45 PM (1Y+hH)

115 91  If it was the LAPD, they would have shot up a carful of hispanic old ladies that were delivering newspapers. 

Posted by: clueless talking head at April 02, 2014 02:45 PM (D+lxs)

116 shut the fuck up about SWAT and how many vehicles

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 02:45 PM (zOTsN)

117 also, his head mirror has night vision. getting your teeth pulled in a dark cave is even worse than in a brightly lit room. Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 06:44 PM (rDidD) Actually I've had to do some dental work that way when the power went out.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 02, 2014 02:45 PM (nzKvP)

118 Can we please end gun free zones? Now.

Posted by: Lauren at April 02, 2014 02:45 PM (hFL/3)

119 You don't see this happening at a police department. Oh yeah they carry side arms. But, an armed forces member can't? Stupid, fucking insane

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 02, 2014 02:46 PM (HVff2)

120 No combat deaths in Afghaninstan last month. They are happening in America, on bases. IDIOTS. Posted by: Meremortal, something's burning.... at April 02, 2014 06:45 PM (1Y+hH) That in a nutshell says it all

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 02, 2014 02:46 PM (nzKvP)

121 "News anchors need to stop reading random tweets from random people out loud on live TV."

Asking television news "journalists" not to be utter dumb shits is like asking dogs to quit sniffing crotches. In the words of the ancient Chinese sage, Na Ga Ha Pen.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 02, 2014 02:46 PM (noWW6)

122 63 Military bases have become easy targets.  Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 02, 2014 06:35 PM (aDwsi) ------- Don't get me started... we just lost a good man because of stupid, PC, bullshit security "standards" locally. The story has been mentioned upthread already. This just makes my blood boil, and I want to go punch someone right now

Posted by: shredded chi at April 02, 2014 02:46 PM (6QQFN)

123 this guy they are interviewing they need to shut the fuck up

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 02:46 PM (zOTsN)

124 If any of you are women who deliver newspapers in LA you should call in sick today.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 02:46 PM (bitz6)

125 The ironic thing:  here in GA, the current law is that if you are military stationed in GA and over 21 you can legally carry concealed without a Georgia Weapons License (our term for a CC permit).  HB60, which just passed and has been sent to the governor, lowers that to age 18 with a caveat that the soldier has handgun training from the military.  But none of those guys can carry on a military base.

Posted by: Country Singer at April 02, 2014 02:47 PM (r/e1Q)

126 is ti true Nevergiveup has a necklace mad of jihadi teeth? His waiting room features Highlights for Children and a pyramid of human pyramid of skulls.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 02, 2014 02:47 PM (8ZskC)

127 Actually I've had to do some dental work that way when the power went out.

That's something to fear. 

No power?  No problem!  Relax as your dentist teams up with EOD.

Posted by: Al Roker at April 02, 2014 02:47 PM (0AKks)

128 well, how much of a secret is swat and ambulances? you have to assume swat and ambulances. unless they are jamming all communications everyone is gonna know what is going on.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 02:47 PM (rDidD)

129 Yeah, this should end all debate about our service members carrying on base. It should be fucking required, let alone allowed. Clearly they are targets of enemy action even at home. Time to start acting like it.

Posted by: Lauren at April 02, 2014 02:47 PM (hFL/3)

130 they need to shut up about the air ventilation thing stupid fucks

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 02:47 PM (zOTsN)

131 The Carbon footprint must be staggering.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 02:48 PM (bitz6)

132 Actually I've had to do some dental work that way when the power went out. Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 02, 2014 hand crank?

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 02:48 PM (rDidD)

133 Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 06:45 PM (zOTsN) the idea that an ARMY base, needs a SWAT team... Wow.... Crap.... every stinking duty day in Port we used to run security drills, with the Security Teams, on my ships.... and that was ships crew...

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 02, 2014 02:48 PM (84gbM)

134 US military personnel ordered to hide and cower from one shooter on their own base while local PD bumbles to the rescue. Unfuckingbelievable.

Posted by: mugiwara at April 02, 2014 02:49 PM (3a584)

135 well, how much of a secret is swat and ambulances? you have to assume swat and ambulances. unless they are jamming all communications everyone is gonna know what is going on. Posted by: yankeefifth they came in without sirens and the number of SWAT vehicles should not be mentioned shooter should assume they will respond he doesn't need to know when they arrived and how many arrived and the air vent thing shut the fuck up already

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 02:49 PM (zOTsN)

136 Good thing a squad of overweight authoritarian flunkies showed up to rescue our helpless and dainty servicemen

Posted by: 3.14159 at April 02, 2014 02:49 PM (q2p+d)

137 ooooh, possible multiple shooters. kinda makes it a different story.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 02:49 PM (rDidD)

138 Actually I've had to do some dental work that way when the power went out. 'K-Bar don't need no power'

Posted by: Dental Corps Credos at April 02, 2014 02:50 PM (1g7kl)

139 putting stuff on twitter is probably worse than it being reported live on TV by a news anchor since a bad guy on the move can read twitter on his phone easier than watch live TV.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 02, 2014 02:50 PM (ZPrif)

140 8 injured 2 shooters 1 death

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 02:50 PM (zOTsN)

141 2 Shooters?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 02, 2014 02:50 PM (nzKvP)

142 KCEN-TV is reporting 8 injured, 1 dead and 2 shooters..... 24 hour rule....

Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at April 02, 2014 02:50 PM (bCEmE)

143 2 shooters. This stuff never happens at the Krispy Kreme.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 02:50 PM (bitz6)

144 "134 ooooh, possible multiple shooters. " Yeah, but they always say that, and it's almost never true. When was the last time it was true? Columbine?

Posted by: Lauren at April 02, 2014 02:51 PM (hFL/3)

145 Dallas TV reporting two shooters, eight injured, one death.

Posted by: Jen at April 02, 2014 02:51 PM (IdGqX)

146 Two shooters? That changes the math a bit.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 02, 2014 02:51 PM (ZshNr)

147 kinda makes it a different story.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 06:49 PM (rDidD)

24 Hour Rule.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 02, 2014 02:51 PM (QFxY5)

148 Mohammed and Malvo

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 02:51 PM (zOTsN)

149 'The Good News, I can save the tooth. The Bad News, I'll still need another 35 or so to make a bitchin' necklace.'

Posted by: garrett at April 02, 2014 02:51 PM (1g7kl)

150 US military personnel ordered to hide and cower from one shooter on their own base while local PD bumbles to the rescue. Unfuckingbelievable. **** Sitting ducks.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 02, 2014 02:51 PM (DmNpO)

151 But impossible to stop people putting stuff on twitter

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 02, 2014 02:51 PM (ZPrif)

152 Report to the Arms Room.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 02:51 PM (bitz6)

153 "Goblin gets on base, wrestles a gun away from a sentry, gets blown away be security force."

Female sentry. And he then killed a male sailor with the gun. A male sailor who dove in front of the female to protect her.

Of course, there has to be more to this story, because we all know from Hollyweird movies and TV that when a large muscular male tries to take something by force from a slightly built female, she always just casually hurls him into the next century with a flick of her wrist. Usually with a sarcastic quip.

That _is_ how it works in real life, right? Right?

Posted by: torquewrench at April 02, 2014 02:51 PM (noWW6)

154 NBC reporting 1 person in custody.

Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at April 02, 2014 02:52 PM (bCEmE)

155 Well Bing tells me this little stunt of disarming the Military on Base was one of Clinton's first acts.  Lovely.

Posted by: Infidel at April 02, 2014 02:52 PM (Z1SI2)

156 When was the last time it was true? Columbine?

Posted by: Lauren

DC Snipers?

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i][/b] at April 02, 2014 02:52 PM (bFFNE)

157 1 in custody, 1 in pursuit

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 02:52 PM (zOTsN)

158 One person in custody.

Posted by: Jen at April 02, 2014 02:52 PM (IdGqX)

159 83 Actually, Norfolk. I can hit Va Beach with a nine iron, though. They set my dislocated elbow at Portsmouth Naval when I was four or five. Because of that pain, I hated that hospital for years, but the oncologists there took great care of my dad in his last year.

Posted by: shredded chi at April 02, 2014 02:52 PM (6QQFN)

160 How can cops even go onto a Military Base?

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 02:52 PM (bitz6)

161

There is a method behind all  this madness.  Why do I get the feeling that  some of these shootings  are being coordinated.

 

I hate  this kind of thinking.  But it  keeps  popping up.

Posted by: Soona at April 02, 2014 02:52 PM (MzhHs)

162 shut the fuck up already Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 listen, jackass, I have not said anything, other than it is likely they anticipated swat and other stuff shown in very broadcast of the original shooting that was replayed in coverage of recent hunt for shooter in recent days.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 02:52 PM (rDidD)

163 But impossible to stop people putting stuff on twitter No.

Posted by: Turkey at April 02, 2014 02:52 PM (1g7kl)

164 109 Frank Luntz ‏@FrankLuntz
Is he interviewing people who are hooked up to oscilloscopes?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 02, 2014 02:53 PM (TtEhW)

165 109 Frank Luntz ‏@FrankLuntz
Is he interviewing people who are hooked up to oscilloscopes?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 02, 2014 02:53 PM (TtEhW)

166 listen, jackass, I have not said anything, other than it is likely they anticipated swat and other stuff shown in very broadcast of the original shooting that was replayed in coverage of recent hunt for shooter in recent days. Posted by: yankeefifth not you the reporters and the witness

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 02:53 PM (zOTsN)

167 listen, jackass, I have not said anything, other than it is likely they anticipated swat and other stuff shown in very broadcast of the original shooting that was replayed in coverage of recent hunt for shooter in recent days. Posted by: yankeefifth not you the reporters and the witness

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 02:53 PM (zOTsN)

168 Yes, disarmed Military Bases are Clintons brainchild.  Fucker.... I hate the dems with the white hot heat of a thousand suns.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at April 02, 2014 02:54 PM (jucos)

169 Yes, disarmed Military Bases are Clintons brainchild.  Fucker.... I hate the dems with the white hot heat of a thousand suns.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at April 02, 2014 02:54 PM (jucos)

170 Well Bing tells me this little stunt of disarming the Military on Base was one of Clinton's first acts. Lovely. *ahem* Not him. ME You think you'd be thanking me!

Posted by: Zombie Frank Lautenberg [/i][/s][/u][/b] at April 02, 2014 02:54 PM (yz6yg)

171 Well Bing tells me this little stunt of disarming the Military on Base was one of Clinton's first acts. Lovely. *ahem* Not him. ME You think you'd be thanking me!

Posted by: Zombie Frank Lautenberg [/i][/s][/u][/b] at April 02, 2014 02:54 PM (yz6yg)

172
There was another recent story that said 2 shooters that turned out to be 1.

24 hour rule.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 02, 2014 02:54 PM (0Kobm)

173
There was another recent story that said 2 shooters that turned out to be 1.

24 hour rule.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 02, 2014 02:54 PM (0Kobm)

174 They set my dislocated elbow at Portsmouth Naval when I was four or five. Because of that pain, I hated that hospital for years, but the oncologists there took great care of my dad in his last year. Posted by: shredded chi at April 02, 2014 06:52 PM (6QQFN) It's a pretty impressive facility. I don't know from being a patient there, but it's a nice facility to work in

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 02, 2014 02:54 PM (nzKvP)

175 They set my dislocated elbow at Portsmouth Naval when I was four or five. Because of that pain, I hated that hospital for years, but the oncologists there took great care of my dad in his last year. Posted by: shredded chi at April 02, 2014 06:52 PM (6QQFN) It's a pretty impressive facility. I don't know from being a patient there, but it's a nice facility to work in

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 02, 2014 02:54 PM (nzKvP)

176 Wouldn't an Apache make a car chase rather short?

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 02:55 PM (bitz6)

177 Wouldn't an Apache make a car chase rather short?

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 02:55 PM (bitz6)

178 The game warden has arrived?!

Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at April 02, 2014 02:55 PM (bCEmE)

179 The game warden has arrived?!

Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at April 02, 2014 02:55 PM (bCEmE)

180 Prayers for everyone at Fort Hood. This is incredible.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit (or Beth for short) [/s][/u][/i][/b] at April 02, 2014 02:55 PM (CA2NO)

181 Prayers for everyone at Fort Hood. This is incredible.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit (or Beth for short) [/s][/u][/i][/b] at April 02, 2014 02:55 PM (CA2NO)

182 Anyone else remember Hillary freaking out about Uniformed Soldiers and Police in her entourage? Ah, good times.

Posted by: garrett at April 02, 2014 02:55 PM (1g7kl)

183 168 Gerbil outbreak.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 02:55 PM (bitz6)

184 Okay.  Now I'll just sit back and watch how the MFM massacres the reporting of this.

Posted by: Soona at April 02, 2014 02:56 PM (MzhHs)

185 HALP US JON KARRY WE'RE SHELTERING IN PLACE!

Posted by: The Gun-Free Soldiers of Ft. Hood at April 02, 2014 02:56 PM (8ZskC)

186 "Well Bing tells me this little stunt of disarming the Military on Base was one of Clinton's first acts. Lovely."

We're just not going to mention that in our coverage, mmmmmmmmmmmkay?

Posted by: Your Betters In The Media at April 02, 2014 02:56 PM (noWW6)

187 Wouldn't an Apache make a car chase rather short? Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 06:55 PM (bitz6) With Budget cutbacks , no fuel or pilots for the Apache. Not to mention maintenance.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 02, 2014 02:56 PM (nzKvP)

188 Wouldn't an Apache make a car chase rather short? Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 06:55 PM (bitz6) 2.75 inch rockets and 30mm are a wee bit of overkill in residential areas.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/s][/u][/b] at April 02, 2014 02:56 PM (yz6yg)

189 ME

You think you'd be thanking me!

Posted by: Zombie Frank Lautenberg at

 

Well with any luck, there will be more following you. Shortly.

Posted by: Infidel at April 02, 2014 02:56 PM (Z1SI2)

190 The game warden has arrived?! Posted by: Tami at April 02, 2014 06:55 PM (bCEmE) I heard "Tyler" say that also...What?

Posted by: Jen at April 02, 2014 02:56 PM (IdGqX)

191 Quick! To the Scissor Dispensary!

Posted by: Homeland Security- Ft Hood Division at April 02, 2014 02:57 PM (OXzvH)

192 The more I think about it the more pissed off that we're telling our soldi

Posted by: Lauren at April 02, 2014 02:57 PM (hFL/3)

193 GatewayPundit putting a lot of this stuff on twitter. Really doubt any bad guy is reading comments here. But wouldn't be surprised at all if bad guys today had an iphone with a twitter app. It'd be trivial to monitor the Fort Hood trend in real time as a bad guy.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 02, 2014 02:57 PM (ZPrif)

194 2.75 inch rockets... are a wee bit of overkill in residential areas. I tell that to all the ladies.

Posted by: garrett at April 02, 2014 02:57 PM (1g7kl)

195 The game warden has arrived?!
Posted by: Tami at April 02, 2014 06:55 PM (bCEmE)

I heard "Tyler" say that also...What?

Posted by: Jen at April 02, 2014 06:56 PM (IdGqX)



Sounds like anyone that actually has a gun is being called in.

Posted by: Country Singer at April 02, 2014 02:58 PM (r/e1Q)

196 I'm guessing it was all just a cop going berserk trying to kill a squirrel.

Posted by: extendo-man at April 02, 2014 02:58 PM (kp5cA)

197  Anyone else remember Hillary freaking out about Uniformed Soldiers and Police in her entourage?

Ah, good times.

Posted by: garrett at April 02, 2014 06:55 PM (1g7kl)

 

 

------------------------------------------------

 

 

She used the  WH Marine guards as waiters during WH dinner functions when hubby was prez. 

Posted by: Soona at April 02, 2014 02:58 PM (MzhHs)

198 not you the reporters and the witness Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 06:53 PM fair enough, "jackass" rescinded

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 02:58 PM (rDidD)

199 Charles C. W. Cooke ‏@charlescwcooke 2m If you're blaming Bill Clinton for disarming soldiers on military bases, you're repeating a myth: http://ccwc.me/1fvMxJ0

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 02, 2014 02:58 PM (DmNpO)

200 "Well Bing tells me this little stunt of disarming the Military on Base was one of Clinton's first acts. Lovely."

And if only there had been a Republican president in between Clinton and Obama, with full Republican control of the Congress at the same time, we might have had this total bullshit at least temporarily repealed.

Oh. Wait a minute.

GOP establishment delenda est.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 02, 2014 02:58 PM (noWW6)

201 "Well Bing tells me this little stunt of disarming the Military on Base was one of Clinton's first acts. Lovely." We're just not going to mention that in our coverage, mmmmmmmmmmmkay? Posted by: Your Betters In The Media at April 02, 2014 06:56 PM (noWW6) And to be fair, why the heck didn't Bush and Rumsfeld change this policy? Especially after 2001?

Posted by: Jen at April 02, 2014 02:58 PM (IdGqX)

202 Sorry, baby hit the key. We're telling our soldiers to hide in place like they're a bunch of freaking 3rd graders. Instead of, you know, letting them have a gun.

Posted by: Lauren at April 02, 2014 02:58 PM (hFL/3)

203 I tell that to all the ladies. Posted by: garrett at April 02, 2014 06:57 PM (1g7kl) Stubby! Is that you?!?!?

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/s][/u][/b] at April 02, 2014 02:58 PM (yz6yg)

204 twitter would have to do some automated censoring of info, though. I'm sure all GatewayPundit is doing is tweeting the stuff here's hearing on live TV.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 02, 2014 02:58 PM (ZPrif)

205 Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 02, 2014 06:56 PM (yz6yg)

I've seen video that indicated that those pilots are really good shots.

Although I agree, an M1 with beehives would be better.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 02, 2014 02:59 PM (QFxY5)

206 I don't think anybody is following here but twitter and "Tyler" could inform the shooter where they are searching, when SWAT arrived there is a reason they responded to the scene without sirens

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 03:00 PM (zOTsN)

207 52 Jawa Report has more on Booker. Dude is light skinned black guy. And already in an institution Posted by: wooga at April 02, 2014 06:33 PM (fyTqI) If Obama had a son, he'd look just like that.

Posted by: rickl at April 02, 2014 03:00 PM (sdi6R)

208 Greta reporting that casualties are confirmed.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 02, 2014 03:00 PM (DmNpO)

209 There were no Muslims involved and anyone who says there were is a woman hating racist right wing bigoted homophobe ... and a ... a ... yeah, one of those too!

Posted by: and irresolute at April 02, 2014 03:01 PM (RqHWH)

210 101 Damn, another 3 ambulances plus SWAT. Posted by: Country Singer at April 02, 2014 06:43 PM (r/e1Q) Police more militarized than the military. What a country.

Posted by: SarahW at April 02, 2014 03:01 PM (Lbv/k)

211 Somebody needs to punch "Tyler" in the balls.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 02, 2014 03:01 PM (QFxY5)

212 Although I agree, an M1 with beehives would be better. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 02, 2014 you mean rounds or literally?

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 03:01 PM (rDidD)

213 >>>However, on the live feed from KCEN below, they keep saying that guy is still wanted. See rule #1: Early reports are almost always wrong.

Posted by: dogfish at April 02, 2014 03:02 PM (nsOJa)

214 Do Police even have Jurisdiction?

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 03:02 PM (bitz6)

215 Men, women and children with hands in the air being escorted somewhere by police.

Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at April 02, 2014 03:02 PM (bCEmE)

216 65 He has a Camry now.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 06:36 PM (bitz6)


Give that guy an assault Cobalt.

Posted by: flounder at April 02, 2014 03:03 PM (Kkt/i)

217 Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 07:01 PM (rDidD)

Bannion has an M1A1 in his driveway with a full load of beehive rounds.

He won't loan it to me, which I think is quite antisocial of him.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 02, 2014 03:03 PM (QFxY5)

218 Greta is in it for the money! It wasn't Muslims Greta, or CNN would have said so! Wolf would have said it Muslim murderers, right away, if that was the case!

Posted by: and irresolute at April 02, 2014 03:03 PM (RqHWH)

219 Police more militarized than the military. What a country. Posted by: SarahW at April 02, 2014 07:01 PM (Lbv/k) /rubs his hands together.... evilly... the plan...its working....

Posted by: Obama who promised a civilian security agency with a budget like the Pentagons. at April 02, 2014 03:03 PM (84gbM)

220 Had to turn on Wheel of Fortune.  My blood is boiling.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at April 02, 2014 03:03 PM (jucos)

221 At least they learned from the first shooting and implemented policy changes.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 03:03 PM (bitz6)

222 Who is "Tyler"?

Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at April 02, 2014 03:04 PM (RZ8pf)

223 The sheriff seems to have confirmed two shooters, one in custody, one still at large.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 02, 2014 03:04 PM (QFxY5)

224 Bannion has an M1A1 in his driveway with a full load of beehive rounds. He won't loan it to me, which I think is quite antisocial of him. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo well that is not very moronlike of him

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 03:04 PM (rDidD)

225 Men, women and children with hands in the air being escorted somewhere by police. Posted by: Tami at April 02, 2014 07:02 PM (bCEmE) And Tyler was starting to cry while reporting it. Who wants to bet this guy's orientation?

Posted by: Jen at April 02, 2014 03:04 PM (IdGqX)

226 No words in Elvish, Entish, or the tongues of Men....

Posted by: Elisabeth G. Wolfe at April 02, 2014 03:04 PM (Aiwi+)

227 Just heard from a buddy at Ft hood, says he and all his guys are OK, thank God.

Flip side, my unit was under administrative control of the 13th ESC when I was in Iraq. 

Posted by: Country Singer at April 02, 2014 03:05 PM (r/e1Q)

228 huh, fort hood is several hundred acres?

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 03:05 PM (rDidD)

229 This is why I often consider disobeying regulations and carrying on post. Unfortunately, my career would probably tank if I got randomly searched.

Posted by: GIJared at April 02, 2014 03:05 PM (Gxwix)

230 Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at April 02, 2014 07:04 PM (RZ8pf)

Tyler is the babbling fool being interviewed on the local Fox affiliate. he is on a cell phone and is reporting everything in real time.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 02, 2014 03:05 PM (QFxY5)

231 213 Don't ask don't tell.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 03:05 PM (bitz6)

232 I don't blame Tyler. He is across the street. Pretty freaky. He says they were releasing the crowd of civilians

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 03:05 PM (zOTsN)

233 In custody? Damn.

Posted by: Adam at April 02, 2014 03:05 PM (Aif/5)

234 Thx CBD.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at April 02, 2014 03:06 PM (RZ8pf)

235 Piers Morgan is orgasmic right now. As are many on the Left.

Posted by: Soothsayer, corn bread assassin at April 02, 2014 03:06 PM (5Kf7w)

236 The Wheel of Fortune is a part of the conspiracy for the right-wing, homophobe, racist, anti-Muslim, reloaders to take over the Earth! Vanna ... Vanna ... oh, baby, oh baby!!

Posted by: and irresolute at April 02, 2014 03:06 PM (RqHWH)

237 huh, fort hood is several hundred acres? Gotta be bigger than that. One Sq Mile is 640.

Posted by: garrett at April 02, 2014 03:06 PM (1g7kl)

238 Can any of you with military experience tell me when the no-carry rule was instituted on bases?  I could understand them locking up certain pieces of ordinance more suited to deployment use in the armory, but why and when on the no-carry-nothing-at-all policy?  It's like having entire MP units and yet still relying on contracted security to guard/police certain installations - how did it get to this?

Posted by: A. Pendragon at April 02, 2014 03:06 PM (wJliR)

239 meh, you would be surprised how witnessing a large scale tragedy makes you feel, not the same has having a role to play.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 03:06 PM (rDidD)

240 Tyler is the babbling fool being interviewed on the local Fox affiliate. he is on a cell phone and is reporting everything in real time. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 02, 2014 07:05 PM (QFxY5) I think they're a NBC affiliate.

Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at April 02, 2014 03:06 PM (bCEmE)

241 Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 07:05 PM (rDidD)

Uh.....more like 250 square miles.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 02, 2014 03:07 PM (QFxY5)

242 Shouldn't the Army be good at rooting out observers and spotters?

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 03:07 PM (bitz6)

243 huh, fort hood is several hundred acres?

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 07:05 PM (rDidD)



Actually, 158,000+ acres.

Posted by: Country Singer at April 02, 2014 03:07 PM (r/e1Q)

244 "Tyler" is a person on base at Ft. Hood who is reporting what he is seeing live to KCEN-TV. He just said he is hiding because he doesn't want the police pointing a gun at him. Heaven help us.

Posted by: Jen at April 02, 2014 03:07 PM (IdGqX)

245 somebody at the station needs to be grown up enough not to air everything Tyler is telling them in real time fuck

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 03:07 PM (zOTsN)

246 Harry Reid is the shooter. He shot the people right after he had sex with under aged boys.

I know this to be a fact.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 02, 2014 03:07 PM (0LHZx)

247 Gotta be bigger than that. One Sq Mile is 640. Posted by: garrett at April 02, 2014 07:06 yeah, I was mocking the fox news defense reporter jen something or other. i believe it is hundreds of thousands

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 03:08 PM (rDidD)

248
"Goblin gets on base, wrestles a gun away from a sentry, gets blown away be security force."

Female sentry. And he then killed a male sailor with the gun. A male sailor who dove in front of the female to protect her.








Remember Brian Nichols? The rapist who overpowered the female bailiff in an Atlanta courthouse, used her gun to kill his trial judge and a bunch of other folks, then held a woman hostage in her apartment for a day before she was able to call the cops. Sounds familiar, yes?

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 02, 2014 03:08 PM (TIIx5)

249 Ok does it make anyone else weep for this country that soldiers are being escorted out of buildings at gunpoint by civilians and made to kneel with their hands behind their heads? Kids too. WTF have we become?

Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at April 02, 2014 03:09 PM (RZ8pf)

250 Uh.....more like 250 square miles. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo really, have been drinking with you and you are not gonna give me the benefit of the doubt here?

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 03:09 PM (rDidD)

251 236 Bree!!! Yark!!!

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 03:09 PM (bitz6)

252 obama is also very happy this is happening. Jobs data for March are to be released this Friday. Plus, it's nice to have something with which to shoo away the pesky Republicans. As are the cable news programs. Flight 370 lost its eyeball appeal last week.

Posted by: Soothsayer, corn bread assassin at April 02, 2014 03:09 PM (5Kf7w)

253 Is this not a laughing stock(no disrespect to injured and/or dead)...military base on lockdown and shelter in place for 1 dude with a gun?

When I was a contractor security officer it was almost impossible for even CHL holders to have a weapon on base.  You had to get permission from the Provost Marshall and permission was not forthcoming.

Pretty much all weapons were locked up in the armory, so ... yeah.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at April 02, 2014 03:09 PM (J79eW)

254 rapist who overpowered the female bailiff ------- And that dumb bitch voluntarily escorted him alone because she thought shed built up a rapport with him. I remember that very well, my father works across the street from the courthouse.

Posted by: Adam at April 02, 2014 03:10 PM (Aif/5)

255

The game warden has arrived?!
Posted by: Tami at April 02, 2014 06:55 PM (bCEmE)

I heard "Tyler" say that also...What?

Posted by: Jen at April 02, 2014 06:56 PM (IdGqX)

 

The dogcatcher gets a gun, but we don't. 

Posted by: disarmed soldiers, sailors and marines at April 02, 2014 03:11 PM (D+lxs)

256 Someone on twitter is reporting that CNN is reporting the shooter shot himself....dead.

Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at April 02, 2014 03:11 PM (bCEmE)

257 "we are being very careful with what we report" my ass

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 03:11 PM (zOTsN)

258 Somebody on Twitter should start a #ShelterInPlace meme. Example: If the 300 Spartans had sheltered in place, maybe some of them would have survived.

Posted by: rickl at April 02, 2014 03:11 PM (sdi6R)

259 Can any of you with military experience tell me when the no-carry rule was instituted on bases? I could understand them locking up certain pieces of ordinance more suited to deployment use in the armory, but why and when on the no-carry-nothing-at-all policy? It's like having entire MP units and yet still relying oncontracted security to guard/police certain installations - how did it get to this? Posted by: A. Pendragon at April 02, 2014 07:06 PM (wJliR) According to Snopes, the order came from the Department of the Army in 1993, two months before Clinton took office. Dick Cheney was the Secretary of Defense. Per Snopes: A change in U.S. Army regulations issued in March 1993 (just two months after President Clinton assumed office) did affect the issue of personnel carrying firearms on military bases, but that change in regulations was issued by the Department of the Army and was not implemented by President Clinton via an executive order. Moreover, that change in regulations came about in response to a U.S. Department of Defense directive issued in February 1992, during the presidency of George H.W. Bush, and not at the sole behest of President Clinton. Additionally, that change in regulations (which applied only to the Army, not other branches of the U.S. armed forces) did not ban the carrying of weapons by soldiers on Army bases; it restricted the authorization to carry firearms to personnel engaged in law enforcement and security duties, and to personnel stationed at facilities where there was "a reasonable expectation that life or Army assets would be jeopardized if firearms were not carried": a. The authorization to carry firearms will be issued only to qualified personnel when there is a reasonable expectation that life or Department of the Army (DA) assets will be jeopardized if firearms are not carried. Evaluation of the necessity to carry a firearm will be made considering this expectation weighed against the possible consequences of accidental or indiscriminate use of firearms. b. DA personnel regularly engaged in law enforcement or security duties will be armed. c. DA personnel are authorized to carry firearms while engaged in security duties, protecting personnel and vital Government assets, or guarding prisoners. Read more at http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/baseguns.asp#QwxCOzplq87DlD2U.99

Posted by: Jen at April 02, 2014 03:11 PM (IdGqX)

260 Piers Morgan is orgasmic right now.

As are many on the Left.

Posted by: Soothsayer, corn bread assassin at April 02, 2014 07:06 PM (5Kf7w)



If it turns out to be anything other than (a) straight, white Christian male(s) it'll immediately become a "local news story" not worth covering.

Posted by: Country Singer at April 02, 2014 03:11 PM (r/e1Q)

261 Security Guards have guns.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 03:12 PM (bitz6)

262 Well the NSA will quickly run a search on their database of meta data and we'll soon know exactly who it is we should be searching for. Won't take much more than a week or two.

Posted by: Tall Cotton Smith at April 02, 2014 03:12 PM (Ny6IV)

263 good news, obama is tweeting out info about how to use scissors and staplers for self defense!

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 03:12 PM (rDidD)

264 Can any of you with military experience tell me when the no-carry rule was instituted on bases? I could understand them locking up certain pieces of ordinance more suited to deployment use in the armory, but why and when on the no-carry-nothing-at-all policy? It's like having entire MP units and yet still relying oncontracted security to guard/police certain installations - how did it get to this?

Posted by: A. Pendragon at April 02, 2014 07:06 PM (wJliR)

 

 

---------------------------------------------

 

 

It was more or less  SOP when I was in the military during the late 60's and 70's.   All privately owned firearms  on post had to be locked up in the unit's arms rooms.

 

Off-base was a different story.

Posted by: Soona at April 02, 2014 03:12 PM (MzhHs)

265 Just heard from on of my DOCs at Portsmouth Naval. Long lines to get on base in the AM, longer than usual.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 02, 2014 03:13 PM (nzKvP)

266 I believe at this point it is safe to say under that directive that Ft. hood is a place where life is jeopardized. Give them back their guns.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at April 02, 2014 03:13 PM (RZ8pf)

267 1 shooter confirmed dead at least according to CNN

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 03:13 PM (zOTsN)

268 Soldier on Soldier incident? Yeah so, so was the last one, what does that mean?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 02, 2014 03:14 PM (nzKvP)

269 Ft. Hood is slightly under 340 square miles. It is huge.

Posted by: Michael the Hobbitt at April 02, 2014 03:14 PM (vVMIQ)

270 A gun was involved. The Mainstream Media will frame this story exactly as they please.

Posted by: Soothsayer, corn bread assassin at April 02, 2014 03:14 PM (5Kf7w)

271 "we are being very careful with what we report" my ass Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 well the good news is none of em know anything about tactical information. also, greta has ted williams and he is completely giving out misinformation.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 03:14 PM (rDidD)

272 251 good news, obama is tweeting out info about how to use scissors and staplers for self defense! Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 07:12 PM (rDidD) Did anybody at Fort Hood think to urinate?

Posted by: Your Colorado legislators (D) at April 02, 2014 03:14 PM (T0NGe)

273 Remember, if it is on TV, it must be true.

Posted by: Soothsayer, corn bread assassin at April 02, 2014 03:15 PM (5Kf7w)

274 I think a well regulated militia is allowed to have firearms. There is some kind of document that says this.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 03:15 PM (bitz6)

275 247 Can any of you with military experience tell me when the no-carry rule was instituted on bases?

Per Snopes it originated within the Department of Defense in Feb. 1992. I suspect it was due to the spate of workplace shootings at government offices in the years before this. So someone probably figured hey maybe we should tighten up who's carrying guns around DoD facilities.

Posted by: Mætenloch at April 02, 2014 03:15 PM (pAlYe)

276 Swingline, ftw!

Posted by: Milton Adams at April 02, 2014 03:15 PM (1g7kl)

277 scissors and bacon, scissors and bacon.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 03:15 PM (rDidD)

278

Obama's right on this after he gives me a shout out.

Posted by: Joe Medicine Crow at April 02, 2014 03:15 PM (0MpoD)

279 The auto-play vid is making me nuts.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 02, 2014 03:15 PM (DmNpO)

280 Team Action Shep on the case!

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 02, 2014 03:16 PM (ZPrif)

281 Probably right-wing Christian bigot homophobe anti-woman Muslim-hating tea-drinking dope-smokin' whiskey-drinkin' truck-drivin' hard-workin' tax-payin' Bible-thumpin' crotch-scratchin' trigger-pullin' hate-mongerin' mofo's, that are at fault, and not those lovely Muslim folk that we have come to admire so much for their peaceful ways ... Adam Baldwin would agree, don'tcha think?!

Posted by: and irresolute at April 02, 2014 03:16 PM (RqHWH)

282 When's the cocksucker going to tell us this is workplace violence.

Posted by: RWC at April 02, 2014 03:16 PM (QeH9j)

283 It's like having entire MP units and yet still relying oncontracted security to guard/police certain installations - how did it get to this?

Douche-canoes who never served in the military saw Apocalypse Now and thought "Something must be done!"

Also, "It's a military base patrolled by guys with guns.  If anything happens, call the MPs."

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at April 02, 2014 03:16 PM (44jNh)

284 Jen and Soona - many thanks! 

Posted by: A. Pendragon at April 02, 2014 03:16 PM (wJliR)

285 And I still can't legally carry on post.

Fuckers.

Posted by: SARDiver at April 02, 2014 03:16 PM (ci7Fe)

286 That's president cocksucker to you, sir.

Posted by: Soothsayer, corn bread assassin at April 02, 2014 03:17 PM (5Kf7w)

287 I prefer the Toyota762 for multi-state killing sprees. It just feels ... comfortable.

Posted by: toby928© at April 02, 2014 03:17 PM (QupBk)

288 Shemp being very insistent that this has nothing to do with terrorism.

Posted by: Adam at April 02, 2014 03:17 PM (Aif/5)

289
It was more or less SOP when I was in the military during the late 60's and 70's. All privately owned firearms on post had to be locked up in the unit's arms rooms.

Off-base was a different story.

Posted by: Soona at April 02, 2014 07:12 PM (MzhHs)









Yup. Same with me in the 80s. I nearly got Article 15'd for having a box of 357 Mag in my wall locker once. I'd gone to the range with some other folks over the weekend and ended up with leftovers. Had a H and  W inspection first thing Monday morning. Oops.

Only thing that saved me was my receipt from the range and the fact that I had the box out in the open on the top shelf. Plus, I gave the box to the First Sergeant, who needed some ammo for his Smith.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 02, 2014 03:17 PM (TIIx5)

290 Did anybody at Fort Hood think to urinate?

Posted by: Your Colorado legislators (D) at April 02, 2014 07:14 PM (T0NGe)

__________________

I think that's only if they fear being raped.  Scissors and staplers are for shootings.... oh, and loud screaming. 

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at April 02, 2014 03:17 PM (jucos)

291 Posted too quickly - thanks to Maetenloch as well!

Posted by: A. Pendragon at April 02, 2014 03:17 PM (wJliR)

292 Remember, obama is also (spit) the commander in chief.

Posted by: Soothsayer, corn bread assassin at April 02, 2014 03:17 PM (5Kf7w)

293 We don't know who's responsible but I'm hopeful a particular outcome.

Posted by: David Sirota Pow bitchez! at April 02, 2014 03:17 PM (dvRYt)

294 Shep's a little testy...

Posted by: RagamuffinB at April 02, 2014 03:18 PM (545ep)

295 It made me sick in my stomach to type that above.

Posted by: Soothsayer, corn bread assassin at April 02, 2014 03:18 PM (5Kf7w)

296 yep David Burge ‏@iowahawkblog Whatever the story here, the idea that the US Army has to call 911 when their bases are attacked is flat-out insane.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 02, 2014 03:18 PM (ZPrif)

297
"BOOKER aka Muhammad Abdullah Hassan had been recruited by the US Army in Kansas City, Mo., in February 2014"




Well doesn't that go nicely with the Republican push to Dream Act every-Hassan like him straight into citizenship.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 02, 2014 03:18 PM (kdS6q)

298 Shemp being very insistent that this has nothing to do with terrorism. Posted by: Adam at April 02, 2014 07:17 PM (Aif/5) Go back to the original FT Hood shooting and they were probably saying that also. I'm not saying it does have anything to do with Terrorism, but no way they know that yet. And anyone who actually did know that would not be talking

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 02, 2014 03:19 PM (nzKvP)

299 This is what it looks like when the NSA is keepin us all safe and shit.

Posted by: Soothsayer, corn bread assassin at April 02, 2014 03:19 PM (5Kf7w)

300 shep "oree-on p3" smith

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 03:19 PM (rDidD)

301 This started in a medical Building, making this a Healthcare Issue.

Posted by: Dr. Vivek Hallegere Murthy at April 02, 2014 03:19 PM (1g7kl)

302 shep "oree-on p3" smith Posted by: yankeefifth heh

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 03:19 PM (zOTsN)

303 "News anchors need to stop reading random tweets from random people out loud on live TV." How can you tell the difference?

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at April 02, 2014 03:20 PM (LD2vP)

304 Wasn't Booker also the janitor on Good Times?  I think he was smitten with Willona.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at April 02, 2014 03:20 PM (jucos)

305 This started in a medical Building, making this a Healthcare Issue. Posted by: Dr. Vivek Hallegere Murthy at April 02, 2014 07:19 PM (1g7kl) So did the last one. It was a medical induction center for Soldiers who were being deployed

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 02, 2014 03:20 PM (nzKvP)

306 Are they eating people yet?!?!

Posted by: Shep Smith at April 02, 2014 03:20 PM (Aif/5)

307 Go back to the original FT Hood shooting and they were probably saying that also. I'm not saying it does have anything to do with Terrorism, but no way they know that yet. And anyone who actually did know that would not be talking Posted by: Nevergiveup they STILL say that 15 injured according to CNN

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 03:21 PM (zOTsN)

308 willona had back, course so did booker

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 03:21 PM (rDidD)

309 Local news anchor guy keeps reporting that "twitter is going crazy right now" and "all sorts of stuff on social media" and "keep sending us your tweets and instagrams".

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 02, 2014 03:21 PM (ZPrif)

310 Wasn't Booker also the janitor on Good Times? I think he was smitten with Willona. Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at April 02, 2014 07:20 PM (jucos) LOL!

Posted by: Jen at April 02, 2014 03:21 PM (IdGqX)

311 What did the NSA do today? a) listened for foreign terror plotting chat b) listened to John Boehner's phone calls c) resumed their careful sorting out of all the recorded surveillance from the all the hotel rooms during the CPAC convention

Posted by: Soothsayer, corn bread assassin at April 02, 2014 03:21 PM (5Kf7w)

312 It's like having entire MP units and yet still relying oncontracted security to guard/police certain installations - how did it get to this?
Posted by: A. Pendragon

The MPs had guns when on duty, the civilian cops on base have been a fixture since the late 80's, maybe earlier on the larger bases.  The contracted guards started unarmed, but have been up gunning for a while.  Private Snuffy hasn't had access to arms unless specifically under arms on duty or training since, and I'm guessing here, then end of the Indian Wars in the west. 

In the 70s many officers carried private handguns - but that was on the down low.

The possession of private arms in the non-dormitory base housing -- varies.

Posted by: Jean at April 02, 2014 03:21 PM (Aqvh6)

313 Napoleon's Grande Armée should have sheltered in place during the cold winter of 1812.

Posted by: rickl at April 02, 2014 03:21 PM (sdi6R)

314 "289 This started in a medical Building, making this a Healthcare Issue." Didn't the last one as well?

Posted by: Lauren at April 02, 2014 03:22 PM (hFL/3)

315 Dude, the real takeaway from the original story vis a vis today is this: "Law enforcement sources familiar with the alert said it appeared to suggest that there may be others in addition to Booker who also might have expressed similar intentions to commit jihad against U.S. military installations."

Posted by: Rusty at April 02, 2014 03:23 PM (8R8gK)

316 CNN interrupted their missing plane coverage?...

Posted by: Kas(ktgreat) at April 02, 2014 03:23 PM (Bl4dy)

317 Palace Guard, assemble!

Posted by: Soothsayer, corn bread assassin at April 02, 2014 03:23 PM (5Kf7w)

318
Meanwhile at Fort Hood:

Celebration held for WomenÂ’s History Month

Maj. Gen. (Dr.) Nadja West, regaled attentive listeners with stories of how women persevered through hardships, ridicule and challenges to pave the way for future generations of leaders. “I wanted to talk about today’s national theme: celebrating women of character, courage and commitment,” she said. “How tiny that is, but how appropriate that we stir a significant historical change in our military.”

To close the program after West’s motivational speech, the Live Oak Ridge Middle School Varsity Female Choir further roused the crowd by singing “Roar” by recording artist Katy Perry.




Thinking a little more weapons training might have come in helpful long about now, but hey -- fashionably inclusive!

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 02, 2014 03:23 PM (kdS6q)

319 Hope they get the bastards....we used to keep spare ammo and an M14 and a .45 or two in the squad bays back in the day but that's before the limp dicks took over....I think we need to make it mandatory now even if an occasional butter bar gets fragged now and then.

Posted by: IrishEd at April 02, 2014 03:23 PM (bfm04)

320 Now they are playing the shelter in place warning....when are they going to call Hollywood to start the script? Where is a commercial when you need one?

Posted by: Jen at April 02, 2014 03:23 PM (IdGqX)

321 The Joooooos on Masada should have sheltered in pla...... wait a minute, that is what they did.  Never mind.....

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at April 02, 2014 03:23 PM (jucos)

322 Putin must be laughing his ass off right now.

Posted by: Soothsayer, corn bread assassin at April 02, 2014 03:23 PM (5Kf7w)

323 Why pay for security? They already have what they need.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 03:24 PM (bitz6)

324 @NBCNews 32s UPDATE: Ft. Hood shooter 'down'; appears to be only gunman, military official says

Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at April 02, 2014 03:24 PM (bCEmE)

325 Reporting it as "soldier on soldier" incident. So... workplace violence?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 02, 2014 03:24 PM (DmNpO)

326 Do not shelter in place until you see the whites of their eyes.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 03:25 PM (bitz6)

327

I think a well regulated militia is allowed to have firearms. There is some kind of document that says this.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 07:15 PM (bitz6)

 

 

We are not militia, we are professionals.  So, of course, there is no reason to allow us to have weapons. 

 

After all, the officers are always afraid of mutiny. 

Posted by: disarmed soldiers, sailors and marines at April 02, 2014 03:25 PM (D+lxs)

328 in b4 'police see no connection to terrorism' bullshit

Posted by: Soothsayer, corn bread assassin at April 02, 2014 03:25 PM (5Kf7w)

329 I wonder: what is booker aka Hassan's legal name? Did he legally change it to that Muslim name? I wouldn't be surprised if he did. But the media wouldn't want to report on that if he actually were involved. Can't allow anyone to connect it to Muslim terrorism afterall. But of course if some mental patient that wants his cock and balls chopped off wants to be called Chelsea the media will bend over backwards to call him a "she" instead of their legal name which isn't changed.

Posted by: Buzzion at April 02, 2014 03:25 PM (Vdg+Q)

330 What a clusterfuck.

Posted by: Soona at April 02, 2014 03:25 PM (MzhHs)

331 also, in b4 'politicians caution against Muslim backlash

Posted by: Soothsayer, corn bread assassin at April 02, 2014 03:25 PM (5Kf7w)

332 "313 Reporting it as "soldier on soldier" incident. So... workplace violence?" So...exactly like last time, am I right guys?

Posted by: Obama at April 02, 2014 03:26 PM (hFL/3)

333 EWWWWW!!!!! Peter King.

Posted by: Kas(ktgreat) at April 02, 2014 03:26 PM (Bl4dy)

334 was there an offensive video?

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 03:26 PM (zOTsN)

335 Oh, look, Peter King in front of a camera. What a fucking whore.

Posted by: garrett at April 02, 2014 03:26 PM (1g7kl)

336 I'll be in the bar. Sheltering in place. With active drinkers. Getting neutralized.

Posted by: the littl shyning man at April 02, 2014 03:26 PM (tmFlQ)

337 Booker= John Thomas Booker, 19, of Topeka, Kan

Posted by: Obama at April 02, 2014 03:26 PM (hFL/3)

338 Keeping all involved in my prayers. And I hope to God someone kills this asshole.

Posted by: Mrs Compton at April 02, 2014 03:27 PM (LxcRK)

339 This fucker again: Patrick Dollard ‏@PatDollard 50m If there is even one more act of Muslim terrorism, it is then time for Americans to start slaughtering Muslims in the streets, all of them. The fact that he ever contributed to Breitbart is nauseating.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 02, 2014 03:27 PM (DmNpO)

340 For God's sake....even the Joooos let their soldiers walk around armed.

In bikinis and armed, which is the preferred configuration.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 02, 2014 03:27 PM (QFxY5)

341

No Bastard ever won a war by sheltering in place for their country, they won it by making the other poor bastard shelter in place for theirs.....

G. Patton in an alternate universe.....

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at April 02, 2014 03:28 PM (jucos)

342 "I regret that I have but one life to shelter in place for my country."

Posted by: Patrick Henry at April 02, 2014 03:28 PM (1g7kl)

343 Link in sig all about Booker

Posted by: Obama at April 02, 2014 03:28 PM (hFL/3)

344 NBC reporting only fatality is the shooter, so far and they now think there is only one shooter

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 03:28 PM (zOTsN)

345 Reporting it as "soldier on soldier" incident.

So... workplace violence?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 02, 2014 07:24 PM (DmNpO)

 

 

------------------------------------------------

 

 

Yup.  You got it.  We can all see it coming.  And it won't matter who the shooters are.

Posted by: Soona at April 02, 2014 03:28 PM (MzhHs)

346 I have not yet begun to shelter in place!

Posted by: John Paul Jones at April 02, 2014 03:28 PM (Aif/5)

347
Meanwhile at Foot Hood:

The 3rd Armored Brigade Combat Team will be hosting the inaugural “Greywolf” Sexual Assault Awareness Month Golf Scramble to raise awareness about sexual assault in the Fort Hood community.

There will be a $30 entry fee for individuals and a $120 entry fee for teams. Three mulligans will be allowed at $5 per mulligan. Tee boxes will be available at $2.50 per person. Prizes will be given to first-, second- and third-place teams, as well as closest to the pin and longest drive.



Army Strong (tm)

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 02, 2014 03:28 PM (kdS6q)

348 Does OSHA know about all of these workplace accidents at Ft. Hood?

Posted by: President Oblivious at April 02, 2014 03:28 PM (qYvEa)

349 Ewww, go away Obama sock

Posted by: Lauren at April 02, 2014 03:29 PM (hFL/3)

350 The guys at the Alamo should have shel... oh right, they did.

Posted by: rickl at April 02, 2014 03:29 PM (sdi6R)

351 The fact that he ever contributed to Breitbart is nauseating. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 02, 2014 07:27 PM (DmNpO) deleting him from my twitter feed.....he's hysterical & i don't mean funny

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at April 02, 2014 03:29 PM (u8GsB)

352 Pat Dollard has had enough. So have I.

Posted by: Soothsayer, corn bread assassin at April 02, 2014 03:29 PM (5Kf7w)

353 Tyler showing more restraint than the reporters

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 03:29 PM (zOTsN)

354 Fort Hood firearms policy: http://tinyurl.com/ow35e4a



"The safety of the Service Members and civilians who live and work on Fort Hood is a primary concern..."

Posted by: Country Singer at April 02, 2014 03:29 PM (r/e1Q)

355 The Shelter in Place of the Light Brigade. by Edna St. Vincent Millay.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 03:29 PM (bitz6)

356 Sarah Palin Tea Party GOP Rand Paul NRA Koch Brothers RACISM!!!!!!!

Posted by: MSNBC Coverage at April 02, 2014 03:29 PM (MMC8r)

357 "They may take our lives, but they'll never take our place of shelter!"

Posted by: William Wallace at April 02, 2014 03:29 PM (1g7kl)

358 >>was there an offensive video? Posted by: thunderb Does Peter King in front of the camera count?

Posted by: Aviator at April 02, 2014 03:30 PM (3rrMW)

359 The word is that it's just "soldier on soldier". Yeah, they said something like that last time.

Posted by: WannabeAnglican at April 02, 2014 03:30 PM (g0H8G)

360 Jim Hoft ‏@gatewaypundit MASSIVE VOTER FRAUD IN NORTH CAROLINA: 35,570 Voters With Same Last Name and DOB Voted in Two States http://shar.es/BkgdZ @gatewaypundit Expand

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 02, 2014 03:31 PM (ZPrif)

361 343 The Shelter in Place of the Light Brigade. Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 07:29 PM (bitz6) Actually, they would have been better off.

Posted by: rickl at April 02, 2014 03:32 PM (sdi6R)

362 Tyler just told reporters he did not want to say what police were doing because he was concerned for their safety thank God

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 03:32 PM (zOTsN)

363 David Burge ‏@iowahawkblog 15m Whatever the story here, the idea that the US Army has to call 911 when their bases are attacked is flat-out insane. David Burge ‏@iowahawkblog 27m In almost all these incidents, there are initial reports of a "second shooter" that almost always turn out wrong. #24hourrule

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2014 03:32 PM (IXrOn)

364 "Soldier on soldier".... How'd they both get weapons?

Posted by: Kas(ktgreat) at April 02, 2014 03:32 PM (Bl4dy)

365 The North Carolina State Board of Elections has found thousands of instances of voter fraud in the state, thanks to a 28-state crosscheck of voter rolls. Initial findings suggest widespread election fraud. ** 765 voters with an exact match of first and last name, DOB and last four digits of SSN were registered in N.C. and another state and voted in N.C. and the other state in the 2012 general election. ** 35,750 voters with the same first and last name and DOB were registered in N.C. and another state and voted in both states in the 2012 general election. ** 155,692 voters with the same first and last name, DOB and last four digits of SSN were registered in N.C. and another state – and the latest date of registration or voter activity did not take place within N.C. The second point is key, as double voting is election fraud under state and federal statutes. Punishment for double voting in federal elections can include jail time.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 02, 2014 03:32 PM (ZPrif)

366 "I have not yet begun to shelter in place!"

Posted by: J. P. Jones at April 02, 2014 03:32 PM (n+8FE)

367 Come on you sons of bitches, do you want to shelter in place forever?

Posted by: Daniel Daly at April 02, 2014 03:32 PM (Aif/5)

368 8 wounded 4 critically.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 03:32 PM (bitz6)

369 Give us Liberty or give us a place in which to shelter!

Posted by: Your Founding Fathers at April 02, 2014 03:32 PM (OXzvH)

370 We can only hope that Diversity doesn't catch a stray round.

Posted by: toby928© at April 02, 2014 03:33 PM (QupBk)

371 Hmmm...Got two "Active Shooter Training" reminders yesterday, along with a summation email.  Last training I had about it omitted the Navy Yard and Ft. Hood I shootings altogether.

I'm a reasonably accomplished competition defensive pistol shooter.

Thank God I have my urine and Red Ryder-line stapler.

Posted by: SARDiver at April 02, 2014 03:33 PM (ci7Fe)

372 So someone thinks US soldiers should have guns? Sounds dangerous.

Posted by: NOAA Swat Team at April 02, 2014 03:33 PM (H4aQb)

373 this shooting is unpossible, since all military installations are gun free zones and no personal weapons are allowed...

what utter bullshit.

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 02, 2014 03:33 PM (q+fqH)

374 349 343 The Shelter in Place of the Light Brigade. Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 07:29 PM (bitz6) Actually, they would have been better off. Posted by: rickl at April 02, 2014 07:32 PM (sdi6R) But we wouldn't.

Posted by: Iron maiden at April 02, 2014 03:33 PM (ZrHa8)

375 Maybe it's not such a good idea to allow people with mental health issues to convert to Islam. 

Allah the Compassionate is not a moniker you hear everyday.

Posted by: Fritz at April 02, 2014 03:34 PM (oJUxt)

376


I'd like to throw a SHOUTOUT to Chief Whichcasino!

Posted by: President Bowfinger at April 02, 2014 03:34 PM (hUf/y)

377 I'm in the bar and I think I see a second drinker.

Posted by: the littl shyning man at April 02, 2014 03:34 PM (tmFlQ)

378 bet you the white guy in the crappy camry heard the shooting and got the hell out of there not a shooter I'd bet

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 03:35 PM (zOTsN)

379 So they've already ruled out terrorism. That was quick.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 02, 2014 03:35 PM (ZPrif)

380 You know. If you don't trust your soldiers with guns, maybe you should screen them more vigorously.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 03:35 PM (bitz6)

381 Second shooter has about a what, 3-5% chance, of being confirmed? Too much to dismiss entirely, but rare enough that it can often be safely discounted.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 02, 2014 03:36 PM (ZshNr)

382 Thank God I have my urine and Red Ryder-line stapler. Posted by: SARDiver at April 02, 2014 07:33 PM (ci7Fe But, can you vomit on command?

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 02, 2014 03:36 PM (o3MSL)

383 CNN reporting?  This isn't just a "local story"?  I'm confused.

Posted by: eureka! at April 02, 2014 03:36 PM (OTg7I)

384 Remember Gettysburg and Pickett's Shelter in Place?

Posted by: kbdabear at April 02, 2014 03:36 PM (aTXUx)

385 People sleep well at night only because rough men stand ready to shelter in place on their behalf.

Posted by: George Orwell at April 02, 2014 03:36 PM (Aif/5)

386 "We will shelter on the landing grounds, and on the beaches. We will shelter in the fields and in the streets."

Posted by: Winston Churchill at April 02, 2014 03:36 PM (1g7kl)

387 You know. If you don't can't trust your soldiers with guns, maybe you should screen them more vigorously. Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 07:35 PM (bitz6)

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 02, 2014 03:37 PM (o3MSL)

388 Isn't the stapler of doom the dead man's switch?

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 03:37 PM (bitz6)

389 Oh, wonderful, President Bystander is going to regale us with his dull tones.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i][/b] at April 02, 2014 03:37 PM (bFFNE)

390 This does not happen on Israeli Military bases. Think there is a reason for that?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 02, 2014 03:38 PM (nzKvP)

391 Shelter in Place Jackson.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 03:38 PM (bitz6)

392 Sheltering in place is Hell.

Posted by: --- at April 02, 2014 03:38 PM (MMC8r)

393 I showed 'em in Georgia and South Carolina what Shelter in Place got 'em

Posted by: William Tecumseh Sherman at April 02, 2014 03:38 PM (aTXUx)

394 This does not happen on Israeli Military bases. Think there is a reason for that? Posted by: Nevergiveup not so diversity is the casualty sarc

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 03:39 PM (zOTsN)

395 It is fatal to enter a war without the will to shelter in place.

Posted by: Douglas MacArthur at April 02, 2014 03:39 PM (Aif/5)

396 Shelter on the River Kwai

Posted by: Chuck Hagel at April 02, 2014 03:39 PM (LD2vP)

397 The second point is key, as double voting is election fraud under state and federal statutes. Punishment for double voting in federal elections can include jail time. Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 02, 2014 07:32 PM (ZPrif) My friendsh, there is absolutely no voter fraud anywhere in the entire 57 states!

Posted by: Boehner/Cantor/Ryan/McConnell/McCain/Ayotte/Graham LLC at April 02, 2014 03:39 PM (o3MSL)

398
Red Ryder-line stapler.
Posted by: SARDiver




If you need to call in artillery support, it'll be those little paper triangle footballs you used to make in Jr. High...

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 02, 2014 03:39 PM (kdS6q)

399 Justice dept says there is one dead, the shooter, from a self inflicted gun shot wound WTF The Justice Dept?

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 03:39 PM (zOTsN)

400 I always get a lump in my throat when I see the D-Day Sheltering in Place scene in Saving Private Ryan

Posted by: kbdabear at April 02, 2014 03:40 PM (aTXUx)

401 Just another "local" story of workplace violence, brought on by a you-tube video, nothing to see here folks, move along.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at April 02, 2014 03:40 PM (7mQyC)

402 .I think we need to make it mandatory now even if an occasional butter bar gets fragged now and then. Posted by: IrishEd at April 02, 2014 07:23 PM (bfm04)


Yeah man, especially if the guys getting fragged have that offputting pee test skin tone like Bobby Jindal, amirite Irish?  Yeah?

Posted by: DangerGirl at April 02, 2014 03:41 PM (GrtrJ)

403 the Justice Dept is the lead agency on this? not DoD? really?

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 03:41 PM (zOTsN)

404 I only regret that I have but one life to shelter in place for my country!

Posted by: Nathan Hale at April 02, 2014 03:41 PM (ZPrif)

405 387 - Justice is responding because the gun used has been traced back to op Fast and Furious.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at April 02, 2014 03:41 PM (7mQyC)

406 I guess Justice can be trusted to frame the narrative

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 03:41 PM (zOTsN)

407 Gee, wonder if they're being told to turn off their cell phones thanks to Tyler?

Posted by: Country Singer at April 02, 2014 03:41 PM (r/e1Q)

408 Give me liberty, or sheltering in place!

Posted by: Patrick Henry at April 02, 2014 03:42 PM (mx5oN)

409 It's def. not terrorism guys. we don't know what it is but def not terrorism

Posted by: MSM fucktards at April 02, 2014 03:42 PM (10H0T)

410 Son, we live in a world with walls, and those walls are there to shelter us in place! Who's going to do that, YOU?

Posted by: Col Nathan Jessup at April 02, 2014 03:43 PM (aTXUx)

411 Don't shelter in place until you see the whites of their eyes...

Posted by: E.T. at April 02, 2014 03:43 PM (uGlk8)

412 Si vis pacem, shelter in place.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 02, 2014 03:43 PM (mx5oN)

413 If Hillary gets elected her solution will be to just close all the bases. I don't recognize my country anymore and I don't think the past forty years can be rolled back.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at April 02, 2014 03:43 PM (n+8FE)

414 Seriously why would Justice be the lead agency in this? not DoD? not even Homeland Security? but Justice no this wont be political at all

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 03:43 PM (zOTsN)

415 I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by sheltering in place for his country. He won it by making the other poor, dumb bastard shelter in place for his country.

Posted by: George S. Patton at April 02, 2014 03:43 PM (ZPrif)

416 0.45 Caliber Automatics, 1 prophylactic, 1 pack survival candy, 1 portable in-place shelter....shoo, guy could have a pretty good weekend at Ft. Hood with this....

Posted by: Major Kong at April 02, 2014 03:43 PM (LD2vP)

417 I saw the Diversity Brigade open for the Rolling Stones when they did "Gimme Shelter In Place" at Altamont!

Posted by: Boehner/Cantor/Ryan/McConnell/McCain/Ayotte/Graham LLC at April 02, 2014 03:43 PM (o3MSL)

418 Sheltering in Place is our business!

Posted by: Third Ostrich Division at April 02, 2014 03:43 PM (MFLZe)

419 I shall shelter in place!

Posted by: General MacArthur at April 02, 2014 03:43 PM (Q3tFF)

420 Damn the Torpedoes! Shelter in Place!

Posted by: Admiral Farrugut at April 02, 2014 03:44 PM (aTXUx)

421 399 see 314.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 03:44 PM (bitz6)

422 Damn the torpedoes ...shelter in place

Posted by: E.T. at April 02, 2014 03:44 PM (uGlk8)

423 gimme shelter!

Posted by: rolling stones at April 02, 2014 03:44 PM (zOTsN)

424 Shelter in place firstest, with the mostest!

Posted by: Inspirational War Quote at April 02, 2014 03:45 PM (ZPrif)

425 obama wants you sheltering in place, there is no amendment guaranteeing a right to sheltering in place.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 03:45 PM (rDidD)

426 The French broke the back of the German assault in August 1914 by sheltering in place on the Marne.

Posted by: rickl at April 02, 2014 03:45 PM (sdi6R)

427 Sheltering in Place- The Great Equalizer

Posted by: Old West Philosopher at April 02, 2014 03:45 PM (OXzvH)

428 fully automatic shelter in place

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 03:45 PM (rDidD)

429 The shooter offed himself apparently.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 03:45 PM (bitz6)

430 402 So Holder can be in charge and label it workplace violence, of course.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at April 02, 2014 03:45 PM (ojnk6)

431 assualt shelter

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 03:45 PM (rDidD)

432 I came, I saw, I sheltered in place.

Posted by: Countrysquire at April 02, 2014 03:46 PM (8FyP4)

433 >>>I guess Justice can be trusted to frame the narrative

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 07:41 PM (zOTsN)<<<



Response 1: Minority (Muslim specifically) Obviously caused by a YouTube Video.

Response 2: White Male (ex-military specifically) KOCH BROS!!!!!

Posted by: DOJ at April 02, 2014 03:46 PM (08jH8)

434

You know. If you don't can't trust your soldiers with guns, maybe you should be screened out them more vigorously.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 07:35 PM (bitz6)

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 02, 2014 07:37 PM (o3MSL)

 

 

Gun grabbers never trust anyone with guns, because they think everyone is as unstable as they actually are.

 

Posted by: my opinion at April 02, 2014 03:46 PM (D+lxs)

435
Is - is it safe for us to come out now, or should we keep hiding?

Posted by:

1st Cavalry Division at Fort Hood, Texas
3rd Cavalry Regiment at Fort Hood, Texas
4th Battalion, 5th Air & Missile Defense Regiment at Fort Hood, Texas
13th Sustainment Command (Provisional) at Fort Hood, Texas
36th Engineer Brigade at Fort Hood, Texas
41st Fires Brigade at Fort Hood, Texas
48th Chemical Brigade, 20th SUPCOM Stationed at Fort Hood, Texas
89th Military Police Brigade at Fort Hood, Texas
120th Infantry Brigade at Fort Hood, Texas
407th Army Field Support Brigade at Fort Hood, Texas
504th Battlefield Surveillance Brigade(BfSB)

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 02, 2014 03:46 PM (kdS6q)

436 De Oppresso Shelter in Place

Posted by: Motto of the Green Berets at April 02, 2014 03:46 PM (mx5oN)

437 Peter King is a fucking douchetool.  That fucknuts idiot wouldn't know a fucking automatic weapon if one was jammed up his ass.

Posted by: Country Singer at April 02, 2014 03:46 PM (r/e1Q)

438 Soldier on Soldier? Do these idiots think we're stupid? Nadal Hassan was a soldier. Oh wait, that was work place violence. Sorry my bad.

Posted by: Jaimo at April 02, 2014 03:47 PM (nFmZ1)

439 Oh, wonderful. Noted firearms expert Peter King telling us what kind of weapon was used because of the number of victims.

RINO fucknut.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i][/b] at April 02, 2014 03:47 PM (bFFNE)

440 well if its from Holder, you know its true!

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 03:47 PM (zOTsN)

441 It's better to shelter in place than fade away.

Posted by: garrett at April 02, 2014 03:47 PM (1g7kl)

442 We few, we happy few, we band of brothers; For he to-day that shelters in place with me Shall be my brother; be he neÂ’er so vile, This day shall gentle his condition; And gentlemen in England now-a-bed Shall think themselves accursÂ’d they were not here, And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks That sheltered in place with us upon Saint CrispinÂ’s day.

Posted by: Henry V at April 02, 2014 03:47 PM (ZPrif)

443 Don't be scared Billy, guns are bad, m'kay?
You'll be safe on your Uncle Harry's lap.
Let me tell you the story about the little boy who talked too much...

Posted by: Harry Reid at April 02, 2014 03:47 PM (pgQxn)

444 We cannot rule out with certainty that terrorism was involved; but if we discover he was an Obama voter, then we can definitely rule it out.

Posted by: This......is CNN at April 02, 2014 03:47 PM (wNF3N)

445 Shelter in fucking place?

I want to scream.

We can't even defend our military on US bases!

Posted by: PJ at April 02, 2014 03:47 PM (ZWaLo)

446 420 I came, I saw, I sheltered in place. Posted by: Countrysquire at April 02, 2014 07:46 PM (8FyP4) That would have been a thread winner if you had used a Julius Caesar sock. Missed it by that much.

Posted by: rickl at April 02, 2014 03:48 PM (sdi6R)

447 obama is waiting for analysts to tell him if his Fort Hood commanders understand what is going on.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 03:48 PM (rDidD)

448 Post #423 - post of the month, right there.

Posted by: Mike at April 02, 2014 03:48 PM (Rk8LS)

449 will any reporter anywhere ever ask why the fuck the Justice Department is the lead agency on this

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 03:48 PM (zOTsN)

450 I'm pretty sure that I was told, stridently and repeatedly, that any shelter in place order in a State like Texas, never mind on an Army base, would be universally ignored as bands of ersatz Walker, Texas Rangers stalked the killer and gunned him down, with a Gadsden flag in one hand, an AR-15 in the other.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 02, 2014 03:48 PM (ZshNr)

451 I'm going to march to the Rhine and take shelter in it.

Posted by: George S. Patton at April 02, 2014 03:48 PM (1g7kl)

452 While this is going on, Obama is cavorting with fat cats and munching on canapes in Chicago.

Posted by: Baldy at April 02, 2014 03:49 PM (2bql3)

453 Shelter the alert Vipers in place!

Posted by: Commander Adama at April 02, 2014 03:49 PM (QxEV4)

454 SHELTER IN PLACE! HUH! WHAT IS IT GOOD FOR? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!

Posted by: --- at April 02, 2014 03:49 PM (MMC8r)

455 Appear weak when you are strong, and shelter in place when you are weak.

Posted by: Sun Tzu at April 02, 2014 03:49 PM (mx5oN)

456 This SiP is nothing. Remember a year ago when the entire city of Boston Sheltered in Place for a whole day so the cops could try and catch one fruity terrorist? That was some hardcore SiP right there.

Posted by: mugiwara at April 02, 2014 03:49 PM (3a584)

457 No comment or I'll get banned like the B guy Makes me ill

Posted by: Navycopjoe at April 02, 2014 03:49 PM (VbTKR)

458 "Then we shall shelter in place in the shade."

Posted by: Leonidas at April 02, 2014 03:50 PM (n+8FE)

459 We sheltered in place at Stirling, but first you will blow me.

Posted by: William Wallace at April 02, 2014 03:50 PM (bitz6)

460 I can remember when "sheltering in place" would have been called "cowering".

Posted by: typo dynamofo (Methuselah)) at April 02, 2014 03:50 PM (IVgIK)

461 I like the IRA. And I don't mean the Roth variety.

Posted by: Peter King at April 02, 2014 03:50 PM (Aif/5)

462 So after uncovering all the issues which led to the first Fort Hood massacre, no actions were taken that could have prevented this second Fort Hood massacre. Troops still unable to defend themselves. People are enlisted without being checked first to see if they hate America or the military. Still recruiting Muslims. Good work, guys. Good work.

Posted by: whoever at April 02, 2014 03:50 PM (pjMym)

463 well, the greater the number of victims I am guessing the lower the probability it is not terrorism.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 03:50 PM (rDidD)

464 "...in a State like Texas, never mind on an Army base..."

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 02, 2014 07:48 PM (ZshNr)



There's your mistake.  Texas is Texas.  Military bases are extensions of Washington, DC.

Posted by: Country Singer at April 02, 2014 03:50 PM (r/e1Q)

465 will any reporter anywhere ever ask why the fuck the Justice Department is the lead agency on this

That's a great idea? We'll ask President Obama how this shooting makes him feel. As long as it's alright with him that is. He might want the victim's families to know how he feels too.

Posted by: MSNBC at April 02, 2014 03:50 PM (pgQxn)

466 I am here to report that the suspect was parked in a lot next to a vehicle with a Ted Cruz sticker.

I think we can safely conclude he is a like minded Tea Party type.

Posted by: Brian Ross at April 02, 2014 03:50 PM (08jH8)

467 Lets be racist.  Lets get that stupid inaccurate charge out of the way right now. 

Not a single Muslim should be allowed to enlist.  Full Stop.  When one religion over and over keeps shooting their coworkers, sorry your religion is a threat to national security.

From that Islamic idiot who rolled grenades into a tent full of his friends when we invaded Iraq to the Arkansas shooting, the Beltway sniper, Ft. Hood, and so on...  the track record is clear.  These people are a danger.  Its not racist, its a proven track record of danger.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 02, 2014 03:51 PM (7oL8c)

468 I'm pretty sure that I was told, stridently and repeatedly, that any shelter in place order in a State like Texas, never mind on an Army base, would be universally ignored as bands of ersatz Walker, Texas Rangers stalked the killer and gunned him down, with a Gadsden flag in one hand, an AR-15 in the other. Posted by: Lincolntf 90 plus police vehicles plus several SWAT units plus helicopters will encourage a person to shelter in place but maybe you're more badass than that

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 03:51 PM (zOTsN)

469 Ask not where your country can shelter in place for you, ask where you can shelter in place for your country

Posted by: John F Kennedy at April 02, 2014 03:51 PM (aTXUx)

470 I knew there had to be a mistake somewhere. That one will do.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 02, 2014 03:51 PM (ZshNr)

471 "Shelter in place"... on a military base...the largest military base in Texas...because some PC ass-clown base commander decided that his military people shouldn't have arms while their not in the field. I'd bet that only the MPs and the interior guard are armed. And I'd also be willing to bet that even the MPs and the interior guard cannot carry loaded weapons; they have to be empty and the magazines and/or the shotgun shells in a belt pouch....On a military base...the largest military base in Texas... "Shelter in place"...FML, how embarrassing.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at April 02, 2014 03:52 PM (60Vyp)

472 "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the Black flag and shelter in place"

Posted by: H.L. Mencken at April 02, 2014 03:52 PM (1g7kl)

473 Men, all this stuff you've heard about America not wanting to shelter in place, wanting to stay out of the war, is a lot of horse dung. Americans, traditionally, love to shelter in place.

Posted by: George S. Patton at April 02, 2014 03:52 PM (ZPrif)

474 455 Lets be racist. Lets get that stupid inaccurate charge out of the way right now.

Not a single Muslim should be allowed to enlist. Full Stop. When one religion over and over keeps shooting their coworkers, sorry your religion is a threat to national security.

From that Islamic idiot who rolled grenades into a tent full of his friends when we invaded Iraq to the Arkansas shooting, the Beltway sniper, Ft. Hood, and so on... the track record is clear. These people are a danger. Its not racist, its a proven track record of danger.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 02, 2014 07:51 PM (7oL8c)


This.  Exactly how I feel Anna.

Posted by: DangerGirl at April 02, 2014 03:53 PM (GrtrJ)

475 Army base = Gun free zone

Posted by: --- at April 02, 2014 03:53 PM (Q+Ow1)

476 To crush your enemies, to see dem driven before you, and shelter in place with the wimmens.

Posted by: Conan the 2012 Obama Delegate at April 02, 2014 03:54 PM (/FnUH)

477 Cry "Havoc!", and shelter in place.

Posted by: Marc Antony at April 02, 2014 03:54 PM (08jH8)

478 Not me, the remote-from-Boston keyboard warriors who proclaimed their willingness to march down Tremont St., strapped up like Commando after the Marathon bombing.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 02, 2014 03:54 PM (ZshNr)

479 Ft Hood says its unconfirmed the shooter is dead but Justice says the shooter is dead OMG

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 03:54 PM (zOTsN)

480 437. The base is federal property and all the Leo groups have shared authority I'd give it to the Feds too

Posted by: Navycopjoe at April 02, 2014 03:55 PM (VbTKR)

481 french strategy of shelter in place in the maginot line, no so good

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 03:55 PM (rDidD)

482 Until guns are banned on military bases, the children there will not be safe.

Posted by: This......is CNN at April 02, 2014 03:55 PM (wNF3N)

483 "90 plus police vehicles plus several SWAT units plus helicopters will encourage a person to shelter in place" Because the MPs and the interior guard aren't capable of handling such an event? On a military base..the largest military base in Texas.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at April 02, 2014 03:55 PM (60Vyp)

484

Theirs was not to question why,

 

Theirs was to shelter in place.

Posted by: Donna and V. (no ampersand) at April 02, 2014 03:55 PM (R3gO3)

485 Brit Hume ‏@brithume 10s Sr. law enforcement officials tell Fox News 4 are dead in Ft. Hood shooting, including the shooter. Reported by @gretawire Oh dear Lord.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 02, 2014 03:55 PM (DmNpO)

486 Sure hope our much vaunted diversity isn't a casualty as well .

Posted by: awkward davies at April 02, 2014 03:56 PM (whqez)

487 no but seriously is it a good idea for armed men to be walking around hunting a suspect whose identity is unknown? It seems like the sort of thing that requires a lot of communication and signs and counter-signs, so that the good guys can identify each other. If someone's just walking around with a gun, how do you know if he's the shooter, or a citizen trying to find the shooter?

Posted by: ace at April 02, 2014 03:56 PM (/FnUH)

488
I can remember when "sheltering in place" would have been called "cowering".
Posted by: typo dynamofo (Methuselah))



Or being just plain yellow.

Speaking of which, there are thousands of military dependents on base, wives and children of the soldiers. You'd think they'd expect a somewhat more active defense strategy from their Army than leaving them to their fates.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 02, 2014 03:56 PM (kdS6q)

489 FT HOOD IS SAYING IT CANNOT CONFIRM THAT THE SHOOTER IS DEAD BUT JUSTICE IS CONFIRMING THE SHOOTER IS DEAD sort of like not listening to the people on the ground at Benghazi pretty clear why Justice was made the lead agency

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 03:56 PM (zOTsN)

490 Pardon me. Asking a smart military blog inhabitants. I was taught the Army has posts not bases. Amirite?

Posted by: Golfman in NC at April 02, 2014 03:56 PM (/djtm)

491 The Whoreson in Chief is about to speak.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 03:56 PM (bitz6)

492 90 plus police vehicles plus several SWAT units plus helicopters will encourage a person to shelter in place Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 07:51 PM (zOTsN) Particularly since the cops are allowed to shoot first and ask if one of those 5 guys they shot with 5000 rounds is one of the shooters. It would be nice if our soldiers had the same ROE against our enemies as the police did with our citizens

Posted by: kbdabear at April 02, 2014 03:56 PM (aTXUx)

493

Looks like it's about time to order some more ammo before the rush.

 

Maybe even buy that shotgun I've been wanting.

 

You know  everyone is thinking it.

Posted by: Soona at April 02, 2014 03:56 PM (MzhHs)

494 obama is announcing his new strategic shelter in place policy. he is also converting missile sites into strategic shelter in place facilities.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 03:57 PM (rDidD)

495 You have to admit that "Sheltering in place" sounds a lot better than "Cowering in fear".

Posted by: Language Lords at April 02, 2014 03:57 PM (ZPrif)

496 "90 plus police vehicles plus several SWAT units plus helicopters will encourage a person to shelter in place" Because the MPs and the interior guard aren't capable of handling such an event? On a military base..the largest military base in Texas. Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead I was referring to the populace around the base

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 03:57 PM (zOTsN)

497 Sr. law enforcement officials tell Fox News 4 are dead in Ft. Hood shooting, including the shooter. Reported by @gretawire

I am sick and tired of being sick and tired. This is so sad.

And so completely stoppable.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at April 02, 2014 03:58 PM (pgQxn)

498 Live free or shelter in place:  Onesies and cocoa are not the worst of evils.

Posted by: General John Stark at April 02, 2014 03:58 PM (oJUxt)

499 459. If the rules are the same, pistols are chambers, shotgun and rifles are not Did you get the mags yet?

Posted by: Navycopjoe at April 02, 2014 03:58 PM (VbTKR)

500 "I'm William Wallace, and the rest of you will be spared. Go back to England and tell them... Scotland is currently sheltering in place."

Posted by: William Wallace at April 02, 2014 03:58 PM (8FyP4)

501 Sheltering in place. What is it good for. Absolutely nothing.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 03:58 PM (bitz6)

502 @475, Magnified by the fact that in Uniform, we all literally look alike. You can't tell a General from a Boot Camp trainee if they're wearing the right gear for the right spot. It is a nightmare, but Army cops/combat units should certainly be able to do better than local cops.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 02, 2014 03:58 PM (ZshNr)

503 This can work at the strategic level too...
out MAD in SIP

Posted by: E.T. at April 02, 2014 03:59 PM (uGlk8)

504 Is Hood III Corps?

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 03:59 PM (bitz6)

505 You know, half of the blather would be eliminated (okay that's probably wrong) if they just said "take up defensive positions" rather than "shelter in place." Mind you, they have ensured most have nothing to defend with but pens and pencils, but it *sounds* better. "Shelter in place" sounds like something one of those Delphi-technique-enhanced parentless PTA committes came up with.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 02, 2014 03:59 PM (qyfb5)

506 The first casualty of sheltering in place is innocence. - Platoon

Posted by: Inspirational War Quote at April 02, 2014 03:59 PM (ZPrif)

507 Sr law enforcement officials can mean the Justice Dept I do not trust them at all

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 03:59 PM (zOTsN)

508 The Whoreson in Chief is about to speak.

--

It just wouldn't be a thing if this whistling a$$hole didn't inject his piehole into it.  Who shall he blame before any hard facts are in? 

Posted by: Lady in Black at April 02, 2014 04:00 PM (tsGZY)

509 If you look up the Texas Clock Tower Shooting, you will see that civilians joined with cops to take out the shooter, storming his position after pinning him down with return fire.

Ah what a few decades does to a nation....

Posted by: typo dynamofo (Methuselah) at April 02, 2014 04:00 PM (IVgIK)

510 The local Houston ABC station refuses to use the real name of Booker, "Mohammad Hassan!" WTF, really?

Posted by: Rob in Katy at April 02, 2014 04:00 PM (PiTBB)

511 I wonder how the soldiers on Russian Military installations are instructed to react to such circumstances. When you consider the differences between the CiC of our nation and theirs I think I know the answer. We have a weak, sissified CiC that gauges his responses and policies after careful consideration of the Official PC Handbook. Putin is a strong, masculine, calculating man of patience who considers his own personal interests but believes the stronger his nation is the more he profits. Never thought I would envy Russian leadership over that elected by my fellow citizens but there it is.

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at April 02, 2014 04:00 PM (dvRYt)

512 The Whoreson in Chief is about to speak.

Let me guess. "Let me make this crystal clear. Me, me me I, me myself, me, I I and I, me me me, victims, me me, gun control, me me Meanwhich, I gun control, me."

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at April 02, 2014 04:00 PM (pgQxn)

513 Of all places...

Posted by: Baldy at April 02, 2014 04:00 PM (2bql3)

514 Posted by: ace at April 02, 2014 07:56 PM (/FnUH) Agree. I would think especially since the last shooting the post would have some kind of rapid response (on base) to deal with a roaming shooter. Or several small units designed to take action on behalf of the post.

Posted by: Seems legit at April 02, 2014 04:01 PM (A98Xu)

515

These people are a danger. Its not racist, its a proven track record of danger.

 

 Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 02, 2014 07:51 PM (7oL8c)

 

You're right, Anna, and that's perfectly logical and reasonable.

 

Unfortunately, we live in an era when the stupid and illogical rule.

Posted by: Donna and V. (no ampersand) at April 02, 2014 04:01 PM (R3gO3)

516 No communists should be allowed to enlist. No Muslims should be allowed to enlist. Islam is a political ideology as much as it is a religion; in fact the religion is based on political basis. I argue with people about the existence of "good" Muslims all the time. Of course they exist, but they still believe in a religion which demands the conversion, enslavement, or murder of non-believers. A religion whose core message of "submission" is at 100% odds with the American ideal. Of course people manage that conflict well in life...the "good" Muslims. But I don't trust them in the military. If they want to be fully American, they will have to drop the Muslim faith...or start a Reform movement within Islam. ...and we all know how well Islam regards apostates...

Posted by: just passin by at April 02, 2014 04:01 PM (A9KzJ)

517 On fucking cue.

From the coverage of the shooting at the Web site of that fine newspaper, the _Scum Scamfrisco Comical_, this gem of a comment:

"To bad everyone on the base wasn't armed, or this never would have happened. Oh, wait, this is a military base with lots of guns."

There are more like that, and there will be more still.

The local liberal loons said this same crap after the first round of shooting at Hood.

Just vomitously disgusting.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 02, 2014 04:01 PM (noWW6)

518 475. If I may ace? On military bases the security force will treat everyone as a threat until proven otherwise Kind of like a hostage situation on a plane

Posted by: Navycopjoe at April 02, 2014 04:02 PM (LDwc9)

519 We'll know something about the shooter when the government and the MFM withhold the name.

Posted by: Soona at April 02, 2014 04:02 PM (MzhHs)

520 >>>> From that Islamic idiot who rolled grenades into a tent full of his friends when we invaded Iraq to the Arkansas shooting, the Beltway sniper, Ft. Hood, and so on... the track record is clear. These people are a danger. Its not racist, its a proven track record of danger. Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 02, 2014 07:51 PM (7oL8c) But, but, TIMOTHY McVEIGH!

Posted by: bergerbilder at April 02, 2014 04:02 PM (8MjqI)

521 475 >> If someone's just walking around with a gun, how do you know if he's the shooter, or a citizen trying to find the shooter?
 
Well if they are MPs, they wear an armband or something. They also would work in squads, so a loner would stand out.
 
I suppose the shooter could be real creative and throw on an armband to blend in though. No plan or response is perfect.

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 02, 2014 04:02 PM (wNF3N)

522 lots of bad words and not appropriate things originally typed in this little box. pours another glass of wine and takes deep breath.

Posted by: MSM fucktards at April 02, 2014 04:02 PM (10H0T)

523 I am a civilian. I have never served. So many in my family have, so maybe that is where my attitude (opinion?) Comes from, but, I. Will. Never. "shelter In place" ? - and this is a directive to our armed forces? Shit! I just realized that they're called ARMED Forces...

Posted by: shredded chi at April 02, 2014 04:02 PM (7WZjf)

524 shep smith vs ted williams = longest ever chess game.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 04:03 PM (rDidD)

525 greta really shot down shep's big board reporting! she totally turned him out.

Posted by: concrete girl at April 02, 2014 04:03 PM (5gbS5)

526 Solider on solider so was the last one Shepherd. Wienie boi

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 02, 2014 04:03 PM (HVff2)

527 Wow.  The Defense Dept. is confirming a shooting at Ft. Hood.

Posted by: Soona at April 02, 2014 04:03 PM (MzhHs)

528

From Berlin, Rome and Tokyo we have been described as a nation of weaklings -- "playboys" -- who would hire British soldiers, or Russian soldiers, or Chinese soldiers to do our fighting for us.

Let them repeat that now! Let them tell that to General MacArthur and his men Sheltering in place Let them tell that to the sailors who today are sheltering in the far safe harbors of the Pacific. Let them tell that to the boys in the Sheltering Fortresses. Let them tell that to the Marines!

Posted by: 1942 Firesider at April 02, 2014 04:03 PM (OXzvH)

529 487>> No love yet...

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at April 02, 2014 04:03 PM (60Vyp)

530 Ivan Lopez. White Hispanic?

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 04:04 PM (bitz6)

531 Well if they are MPs, they wear an armband or something. They also would work in squads, so a loner would stand out. I suppose the shooter could be real creative and throw on an armband to blend in though. No plan or response is perfect. Posted by: GnuBreed what is the shooter was an MP four dead Ivan Lopez is the shooter according to CNN

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 04:04 PM (zOTsN)

532 The Active Shooter/Shelter in Place strategy has been around for years on military bases.

The logic is, if the people hunker down in their offices then the security forces won't accidentally shoot you.  And if you hunker down in your office, lock the door, turn off the lights, unplug or turn off your phone, and stay real quiet then just maybe the shooter won't find you and kill you.

*sigh*

Now if I was running the security, it would be two people at all times in each building armed.  In a shooting event they will join-up, lock all outside doors to prevent anyone from getting in, and sweep their building.  Room by room. 

Once they verify their building is clear because A The shooter was never there or B The shooter ran out.  People can come out of hiding but not leave the building at all until a general All Clear is announced on the Giant Voice system.

Then that is one less building for the security forces, which are typically not that big, to worry about.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 02, 2014 04:04 PM (7oL8c)

533 Snail + wife = slow Standby.....they're coming

Posted by: Navycopjoe at April 02, 2014 04:04 PM (LDwc9)

534 "Peter King is a fucking douchetool. That fucknuts idiot wouldn't know a fucking automatic weapon if one was jammed up his ass." --- Someone really should test this theory.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at April 02, 2014 04:05 PM (7mQyC)

535 I'm responding to those who are against the shelter in place advisory, as if it's a good idea to go out with one's weapon in an improvised dragnet. That sounds like a bad idea to me. MPs have armbands but citizens and regular soldiers do not. So if an MP sees a single guy with a gun outdoors, what does he do? Hopefully he challenges and doesn't shoot. But my point is that there are some situation where yeah, it's better to leave the manhunt to a coordinated group who can mutually recognize one another.

Posted by: ace at April 02, 2014 04:05 PM (/FnUH)

536 504 No communists should be allowed to enlist. +++++++++++++++++++++++++ Well, once you've elected one president...

Posted by: Countrysquire at April 02, 2014 04:05 PM (8FyP4)

537 Sources identified the suspect as 34-year-old soldier Ivan Lopez. A source said the violence apparently stemmed from some sort of soldier dispute

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 04:05 PM (zOTsN)

538 "475 no but seriously is it a good idea for armed men to be walking around hunting a suspect whose identity is unknown? It seems like the sort of thing that requires a lot of communication and signs and counter-signs, so that the good guys can identify each other. If someone's just walking around with a gun, how do you know if he's the shooter, or a citizen trying to find the shooter? " It wouldn't get that far. Shooter pulls out his gun and starts waving it around at people, and the armed good guys shoot him down on the spot.

Posted by: Lauren at April 02, 2014 04:05 PM (hFL/3)

539 Ivan Lopez is the shooter ----- Russian Hispanic?

Posted by: --- at April 02, 2014 04:05 PM (MMC8r)

540 Photo of Ivan from 2010 http://tinyurl.com/kdz5fsp

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at April 02, 2014 04:06 PM (7mQyC)

541 519 Well if they are MPs, they wear an armband or something. They also would work in squads, so a loner would stand out. I suppose the shooter could be real creative and throw on an armband to blend in though. No plan or response is perfect. Posted by: GnuBreed what is the shooter was an MP four dead Ivan Lopez is the shooter according to CNN Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 08:04 PM (zOTsN) No Abu Abdul or Mohammed in there?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 02, 2014 04:06 PM (HVff2)

542 If someone's just walking around with a gun, how do you know if he's the shooter, or a citizen trying to find the shooter? Posted by: ace at April 02, 2014 07:56 PM (/FnUH) Signs and counter-signs have been proposed, but actively resisted, partly because they're public and therefore easily co-opted. It *is* dangerous, the question is whether it's more dangerous than an unopposed notjob. There is no "answer" (yet), so the question will keep being argued over and over. I'd say once the territory is under the management of police/MPs/whatever, *that* is definitely not the time to go wandering. Knowing when that is, well, that's another matter. "Taking up defensive positions, armed" seems to make the most sense from a distance, but then I'm not in a house three blocks from where a bunch of kids are in a building with an active shooter. Basically there's nothing good to choose there and no safe option. You'll almost certainly regret doing or not doing something.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 02, 2014 04:06 PM (qyfb5)

543 Ivan Lopez? Da Essay.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 04:06 PM (bitz6)

544 There were about 80 people in my barracks, (individual rooms, designed for far more, Mengele once hid n the basement). If the Armory had been open to us, none of us would have survived a single long weekend.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 02, 2014 04:06 PM (ZshNr)

545 >>>On military bases the security force will treat everyone as a threat until proven otherwise I think he's saying that "shelter in place" is good idea when there's a manhunt on...because you're more likely to get killed by one of the 200 amped up cops/MPs/SWAT/whatever looking for the bad guy than by the bad guy himself. And dead is dead, whether it's from the bad guy or mistaken identity.

Posted by: DC in Towson at April 02, 2014 04:06 PM (Pvcl5)

546 'm responding to those who are against the shelter in place advisory, as if it's a good idea to go out with one's weapon in an improvised dragnet. That sounds like a bad idea to me. MPs have armbands but citizens and regular soldiers do not. So if an MP sees a single guy with a gun outdoors, what does he do? Hopefully he challenges and doesn't shoot. But my point is that there are some situation where yeah, it's better to leave the manhunt to a coordinated group who can mutually recognize one another. Posted by: ace well, shelter in place has some merit, however, you could also shelter in place with your side arm in case some jackwad comes into you office and starts shooting the people sheltering in place.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 04:07 PM (rDidD)

547 >>>Sources identified the suspect as 34-year-old soldier Ivan Lopez. A source said the violence apparently stemmed from some sort of soldier dispute<<<




Cue the emotional grandmother interview -- "He was a good boy, a very good boy."

Posted by: can't wait at April 02, 2014 04:07 PM (08jH8)

548

If someone's just walking around with a gun, how do you know if he's the shooter, or a citizen trying to find the shooter? Posted by: ace at April 02, 2014 07:56 PM (/FnUH)

 

Ace, I'm thinking a guy who started shooting on a base full of armed soldiers wouldn't get to the point where he'd be walking around much after hitting the first person. He'd fire - and go down immediately. There wouldn't be a lengthy search.

 

As someone said earlier, there's a reason nobody walks into police stations and starts firing away.

Posted by: Donna and V. (no ampersand) at April 02, 2014 04:07 PM (R3gO3)

549 520. That's kinda sorta close to what happens I'm on my iPhone and way to lazy to explain the basic way they do it Maybe on the ont when I'm at home

Posted by: Navycopjoe at April 02, 2014 04:07 PM (LDwc9)

550 >> Ivan Lopez is the shooter
 
So a Russian Hispanic?

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 02, 2014 04:07 PM (wNF3N)

551 friend of Jose Padilla?

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 04:07 PM (zOTsN)

552 Ivan Lopez

--

He was angry at the non-passage of amnesty.  Better get Boehner and Cantor on the job to draft some good, ole path-to-citizenship legislation.  Oh, wait.  They already are.

Posted by: Lady in Black at April 02, 2014 04:08 PM (tsGZY)

553 so the new potential jihad they were looking for was also named hasan? couldn't he try something less obvious like jones?

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 04:08 PM (rDidD)

554 Ivan Lopez? Is that Peruvian?

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 04:09 PM (bitz6)

555 525 - Yup, just your typical argument at the motor pool ...gone bad. It started out something like this.. "I said, the Kirby Silver Surfer was the only real Silver Surfer. And that the Moebius Silver Surfer was shit. And Lopez's a big Moebius fan. And it got of hand. I pushed him. He pushed me. I lost my head, Sir. I'm Sorry. Then he started shooting."

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at April 02, 2014 04:09 PM (7mQyC)

556
you hunker down in your office, lock the door, turn off the lights, unplug or turn off your phone, and stay real quiet then just maybe the shooter won't find you and kill you.
Posted by: Anna Puma




So the Army's defensive strategy against armed intruders is the same one we use against trick-or-treaters on Halloween when we run out of candy early.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 02, 2014 04:09 PM (kdS6q)

557 If he was a non-military shooter, they'd know pretty quick. If he acted and shot and handled himself like a soldier, he could get away with it for a while, I'd guess.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 02, 2014 04:09 PM (ZshNr)

558 Maybe that fly-tying thing effed him up.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at April 02, 2014 04:09 PM (/djtm)

559 lots of Hispanics named Lena, Ivan, and other russkie type names guess why

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 04:09 PM (zOTsN)

560 cuban?

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 04:09 PM (rDidD)

561 Army men may not carry guns around the army base, but they may perform sex acts with other army men. You're welcome.

Posted by: Barry Soetoro at April 02, 2014 04:10 PM (wAQA5)

562 I hope the cops used that filthy rat bastard Cornyn as a human shield.

Posted by: Underprivileged Whitey at April 02, 2014 04:10 PM (Cs2tJ)

563 Susan Rice to announce another U Tube video linking the shooting to the Mennonites

Posted by: Buffalobob at April 02, 2014 04:10 PM (OvECu)

564 543 525 - Yup, just your typical argument at the motor pool ...gone bad. He was one of those elitist fly fisherman, no offense Garrett

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 02, 2014 04:10 PM (HVff2)

565 They are the Army. They have ways of sorting out who is who on the battlefield. They need to implement these on post.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 04:10 PM (bitz6)

566 Shelter in Place might well be the best tactic. It still sounds horrible, weak, and emasculating. Something you tell women and children, not soldiers. Maybe they could use some different words that really mean the same thing. It really does sound like Cower in Fear. How about Defend in Place. Assume Stationary Defensive Position. I don't know. Use different words than what we tell school kids to do if something scary or bad happens.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 02, 2014 04:11 PM (ZPrif)

567 He was mad because they wouldn't let him come fight with us!

Posted by: MS-13 in Syria at April 02, 2014 04:11 PM (Aif/5)

568 lots of central and south American countries that love them some good old fashioned communism even in Mexico

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 04:11 PM (zOTsN)

569 So if an MP sees a single guy with a gun outdoors, what does he do? Easy Order him to place the weapon on the ground at gunpoint Then back him away and get him prone He twitches.....he's dead

Posted by: Navycopjoe at April 02, 2014 04:11 PM (HcEdR)

570 so is it now policy to drag his ass behind a M1 until there is nothing left to drag and let the fire ants have him?

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 04:11 PM (rDidD)

571 Crossbow Longbow discussion gone awry?

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 04:11 PM (bitz6)

572 >>>But my point is that there are some situation where yeah, it's better to leave the manhunt to a coordinated group who can mutually recognize one another.<<<

Yes, but "shelter in place" should also infer "with trench guns at the ready" for an overly aggressive "visitor."

Posted by: General John Stark at April 02, 2014 04:12 PM (oJUxt)

573 But my point is that there are some situation where yeah, it's better to leave the manhunt to a coordinated group who can mutually recognize one another. Posted by: ace **** well, shelter in place has some merit, however, you could also shelter in place with your side arm in case some jackwad comes into you office and starts shooting the people sheltering in place. Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 08:07 PM (rDidD) -- I think you *both* have good points. In general employers, especially large institutions, should have emergency management plans that include active shooter exercises. Those are typically conducted in coordination with law enforcement and whatever the institution's own security happens to be. I understand the "shelter in place" notion in those cases. But it seems to me what yankeefifth is saying about having your sidearm handy when you're a trained (in firearm usage, even if not in police tactics) member of the military makes tremendous sense. It is bizarre even to me - a RINO raised in the land o' gun control - to disarm our military personnel on base.

Posted by: Y-not whose head is filled with mucus at April 02, 2014 04:12 PM (zDsvJ)

574 so wonder how the Castro brothers gonna respond to this

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 04:12 PM (zOTsN)

575 gonna be hard to blame the tea party for this not that there aren't Hispanic tea partiers but this seriously dorks the narrative

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 04:13 PM (zOTsN)

576 I think the military recruitment criteria need to be reviewed.

Posted by: Soona at April 02, 2014 04:14 PM (MzhHs)

577 I'm a reasonably accomplished competition defensive pistol shooter.

Do the competitions require you use actual defensive pistol loads?  I'm asking because I know Cowboy Action Shooters use loads that basically are firing the rounds slightly faster than a child could throw them.  This allows the shooter to fire all super-fast without all the fuss of having your muzzle rise off target.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at April 02, 2014 04:14 PM (o4Xc4)

578 "How about Defend in Place. Assume Stationary Defensive Position." That implies you have the means to defend yourself.

Posted by: Lauren at April 02, 2014 04:14 PM (hFL/3)

579 Shep is a walking, talking piece of shit.

That is all.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i][/b] at April 02, 2014 04:14 PM (bFFNE)

580 475 >> If someone's just walking around with a gun, how do you know if he's the shooter, or a citizen trying to find the shooter? Ace, I have never been to a military base during a time of war where ANYONE except an individual in a uniform carried a weapon. Furthermore, EVERY military person who is challenged knows the drill: stop immediately, identify yourself by name and rank and wait motionless to be cleared. Failure to do so will likely get you planted. With regard to civilians; I have never been to a military base where civilians (outside of uniformed security guards) carried weapons unless they were going to or from a designated range. Even then, the weapon is carried in the trunk of the vehicle, not causally in the vehicle, let alone hidden or disguised.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at April 02, 2014 04:14 PM (60Vyp)

581 ot Charles Koch responds in a WSJ piece this evening. Koch: I'm Fighting to Restore a Free Society Instead of welcoming free debate, collectivists engage in character assassination. A truly free society is based on a vision of respect for people and what they value. In a truly free society, any business that disrespects its customers will fail, and deserves to do so. The same should be true of any government that disrespects its citizens. The central belief and fatal conceit of the current administration is that you are incapable of running your own life, but those in power are capable of running it for you. This is the essence of big government and collectivism. He goes on to explain their accomplishments. Good piece. http://tinyurl.com/n83olqj

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2014 04:16 PM (IXrOn)

582 4 Dead?

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 04:16 PM (bitz6)

583 >>>A source said the violence apparently stemmed from some sort of soldier dispute ... Ivan: There is one God and Allah is his prophet! Soldier: Whatever big boy. So you know there's no "don't ask, don't tell" anymore. How's about we go see your prayer rug and pretend I'm a sheep?

Posted by: Damiano at April 02, 2014 04:17 PM (j0wOO)

584 This is near Austin. Any word on whether this is a false frog?

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 04:17 PM (bitz6)

585 This is near Austin. Any word on whether this is a false frog? Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 08:17 heh you typing is worse than mine

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 04:18 PM (rDidD)

586 *zap!* Awesome work busting that troll.

Posted by: Y-not whose head is filled with mucus at April 02, 2014 04:18 PM (zDsvJ)

587 THANK GOD HE'S WHITE!!!11!!

Posted by: The Left and Shep Smith at April 02, 2014 04:19 PM (oFCZn)

588 570 >>>A source said the violence apparently stemmed from some sort of soldier dispute ... Ivan: There is one God and Allah is his prophet! Soldier: Whatever big boy. So you know there's no "don't ask, don't tell" anymore. How's about we go see your prayer rug and pretend I'm a sheep? Posted by: Damiano at April 02, 2014 08:17 PM (j0wOO) I lol'd

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 02, 2014 04:19 PM (HVff2)

589 Yet, people continue to give Fox News positive ratings.

You people make me vomit.

Posted by: Underprivileged Whitey

I don't.I steal it on the net.

So take your fucking assumptions and shove it up your fucking ass, shitbird.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i][/b] at April 02, 2014 04:19 PM (bFFNE)

590 That a military base needs police to come in and handle a situation is alarming.

Posted by: steevy at April 02, 2014 04:19 PM (zqvg6)

591 Fort Hood isn't that close to Austin. Once you get out of Travis County (spit), you're back in Texas.

Posted by: Countrysquire at April 02, 2014 04:20 PM (8FyP4)

592 So now they've released the name and confirmed his was a soldier. Countdown to PTSD, horrors of war, etc, etc 10, 9, 8 ....

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 02, 2014 04:20 PM (ZPrif)

593 If you look up the Texas Clock Tower Shooting, you will see that civilians joined with cops to take out the shooter, storming his position after pinning him down with return fire.

Wut?  Four men stormed the tower.  Martinez, Day, and McCoy were police.  A. Crum was a civvie.  You're absolutely right civilians pinned him down by returning fire, but only one was in on the takedown rush. 

Martinez became a Texas Ranger. 

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at April 02, 2014 04:20 PM (9PrpA)

594 4 dead, 14 wounded, shooter dead, 1 shooter
 
All per Daily Mail

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 02, 2014 04:21 PM (wNF3N)

595 anybody have any info on Spc Ivan Lopez, age 34? I cant find anything yet

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 04:21 PM (zOTsN)

596 I always assume shep was some affirmative action or ada hire.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 04:21 PM (rDidD)

597 I'm going to cause a shitstorm later when I talk about why I agree not to arm everyone on bases, aren't i?

Posted by: Navycopjoe at April 02, 2014 04:21 PM (LqVsA)

598 Still possible he was a convert,or wanna be convert of,well,you know.

Posted by: steevy at April 02, 2014 04:22 PM (zqvg6)

599 584 I'm going to cause a shitstorm later when I talk about why I agree not to arm everyone on bases, aren't i? Posted by: Navycopjoe at April 02, 2014 08:21 PM (LqVsA) You normally do cause storms, it should be interesting.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 02, 2014 04:22 PM (HVff2)

600 582 anybody have any info on Spc Ivan Lopez, age 34? I cant find anything yet Posted by: thunderb +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Never heard of him.

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at April 02, 2014 04:22 PM (8FyP4)

601 582 34 seems kinda old for a specialist.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 04:22 PM (bitz6)

602 ThisAin'tHell is prolly working on Ivan Lopez

Posted by: NCwoof at April 02, 2014 04:22 PM (aUQgu)

603 Da Bears. Suck.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 04:23 PM (bitz6)

604 And people aren't dumb enough to waste time on MSNBC.

Posted by: --- at April 02, 2014 04:23 PM (MMC8r)

605 Commie jef.....

Posted by: E.T. at April 02, 2014 04:23 PM (uGlk8)

606 Booker, who is also known as Muhammad Abdullah Hassa- MSM Translation- White Tea Partier Ivan Lopez- White Hispanic Tea Partier

Posted by: Damiano at April 02, 2014 04:23 PM (j0wOO)

607 Define bizarre is the trick.

PVO used to let their pilots take their sidearms home with them.  Until one pilot got home early to find his wife in bed with someone else.  No more sidearms taken home for brave pilots defending the Rodina after that.

Or when I was SOUTHCOM working with host nation.  We had our little camp.  About 40 Americans.  With M-16s, flak jackets, helmets, and fighting positions.  But in case of attack, we were supposed to line up at the ammo shelter to get our issued magazines while hopefully the host nation soldiers on the outer perimeter defended us.

On a military post not everyone needs to be armed.  But forcing your security elements to be the only one clearing every building on a base will let the shooter run rampant longer with greater chances of them hurting more people. 

One of the easiest ways to reduce the shooter's options is to have building custodians lock all the external doors immediately upon announcement of active shooter.  Oh sure they might shoot their way into a locked building, but you definitely know where the thug is then.  And when each locked building reports they are clear, using duress words or not, then the task of hunting the mutt down gets easier.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 02, 2014 04:23 PM (7oL8c)

608 34 seems kinda old for a specialist Maybe he was...special.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 02, 2014 04:23 PM (T0NGe)

609 >>>I'm going to cause a shitstorm later when I talk about why I agree not to arm everyone on bases, aren't i?<<<

Or you could talk about professional sports in Chicago for the same result.

Posted by: Fritz at April 02, 2014 04:24 PM (oJUxt)

610 Dude looks like a Full Metal Jacket nutter in the pic on MyPetJawa.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 02, 2014 04:24 PM (ZPrif)

611 Am skeptical.  POS POTUS secretly happy for any distraction from his signature legislation AND Benghazi.

Posted by: NCwoof at April 02, 2014 04:24 PM (aUQgu)

612 584 >> Don't arm civilians, or military out of uniform? Concur. Military in uniform? Not a problem. I'd be interested to listen to your rationale otherwise though.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at April 02, 2014 04:25 PM (60Vyp)

613 and mute.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 04:25 PM (rDidD)

614 gee he looked real broke up

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 04:25 PM (zOTsN)

615 588. I was just thinking that too 586. Yeah I do but I view it on a military security level, I mean this was actually my field of expertise Hope I can explain it well

Posted by: Navycopjoe at April 02, 2014 04:25 PM (LqVsA)

616 Oh, now TFG doesn't want to comment.
Because Lopez.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at April 02, 2014 04:25 PM (pgQxn)

617 oops, sorry
Didn't know the trollhammer was in effect.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i][/b] at April 02, 2014 04:25 PM (bFFNE)

618 Guns should be part of the uniform.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 04:25 PM (bitz6)

619 584 I'm going to cause a shitstorm later when I talk about why I agree not to arm everyone on bases, aren't i? Posted by: Navycopjoe ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ As long as you don't talk about the majestic wonders of Jay Cutler, you should be OK.

Posted by: Countrysquire at April 02, 2014 04:25 PM (8FyP4)

620 When I learned how to shelter in place, I also learned to cover the back of my neck with my hands.

Posted by: bergerbilder at April 02, 2014 04:26 PM (8MjqI)

621 I'm going to cause a shitstorm later when I talk about why I agree not to arm everyone on bases, aren't i?<<< *** Not a vet here but, just asking... While it may not be necessary to arm everyone on base, is it necessary to disarm everyone on base?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 02, 2014 04:26 PM (DmNpO)

622 He only said me or I like 5 times, and actually put an "our" and "we".
Must've been tough.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at April 02, 2014 04:26 PM (pgQxn)

623 >>>588 582 34 seems kinda old for a specialist.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 08:22 PM (bitz6)<<<

 

thinking the same thing. maybe busted on a field grade.

Posted by: rich@gmu at April 02, 2014 04:27 PM (RhQvZ)

624 590. Damnit That was good coffee I just coughed up laughing Damn, just cleaned the car too

Posted by: Navycopjoe at April 02, 2014 04:27 PM (LqVsA)

625 unmute

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 04:27 PM (rDidD)

626 I believe it were the Roman Legions who were the first to master the Giant Pussy defensive formation.

Posted by: mugiwara at April 02, 2014 04:27 PM (3a584)

627 Fox just played SCOAMF, recorded earlier. Said he is in Chicago. Is he attending a fundraiser tonight?

Posted by: Retread at April 02, 2014 04:27 PM (cHwk5)

628 @42: "If they were armed it wouldn't be shelter in place, it would be search and destroy."


Search and destroy.....We've got a new directive from MAF on that.  From now on, in place of the phrase "search and destroy," substitute "sweep and clear." "Sweep and clear."

Posted by: Lt. Lockhart at April 02, 2014 04:27 PM (jnG1p)

629 Any word on if Ivan Lopez was upset about his taxes coming due, like the guy that flew his plane into the building in Austin? Or speculation that he was upset because, even in post 'don't ask, don't tell' days, he didn't feel fully accepted by male soldiers who declined his sexual advances? Or perhaps the argument stemmed from Lopez being upset about the new, ethnically unfair uniform code related to female haircuts?

Posted by: Damiano at April 02, 2014 04:27 PM (j0wOO)

630 614 But of course.

Posted by: steevy at April 02, 2014 04:28 PM (zqvg6)

631 614 Fox just played SCOAMF, recorded earlier. Said he is in Chicago. Is he attending a fundraiser tonight? Posted by: Retread at April 02, 2014 08:27 PM (cHwk5) Yes. I know...you're shocked, right?

Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at April 02, 2014 04:28 PM (bCEmE)

632 Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at April 02, 2014 08:25 PM (60Vyp) Your position makes sense to me

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 02, 2014 04:28 PM (HVff2)

633 608. Ill explain it all on the ONT

Posted by: Navycopjoe at April 02, 2014 04:28 PM (LqVsA)

634 10 K a plate botches! Barraka

Posted by: steevy at April 02, 2014 04:28 PM (zqvg6)

635 Shelter in place is the Bears new defense.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 02, 2014 04:29 PM (bitz6)

636 >>605 Guns should be part of the uniform. I agree with this.

Posted by: Y-not whose head is filled with mucus at April 02, 2014 04:29 PM (zDsvJ)

637 and obama runs back in to fund dinner "so where was I? right, see this is what I mean about those people that are clinging to their guns, those teabaggers."

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 04:29 PM (rDidD)

638 that picture of him is freaky looks like he is wearing a wedding ring don't count on the media to get his rank right or he could be a reservist

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 04:30 PM (zOTsN)

639 >>>614 Fox just played SCOAMF, recorded earlier. Said he is in Chicago. Is he attending a fundraiser tonight?

Posted by: Retread at April 02, 2014 08:27 PM (cHwk5) <<<

 

yes.

Posted by: rich@gmu at April 02, 2014 04:30 PM (RhQvZ)

640 Fox just played SCOAMF, recorded earlier. Said he is in Chicago. Is he attending a fundraiser tonight? **** It's too late in the day for golf so, of course.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 02, 2014 04:30 PM (DmNpO)

641 The guys that I know, had to check out their weapon and were not issued ammo until at the range. All ammo had to be accounted for and returned. Personal firearms were checked in and had to be checked out upon leaving the base to shoot. Seems like a brilliant fucking idea - libtards and commies working toward the demise of the Country.

Posted by: Rob in Katy at April 02, 2014 04:30 PM (PiTBB)

642 SCOAMF stumbled over the word prayer when he said 'our thoughts and uh, uh, ppprayers are with those at Ft. Hood.'

Posted by: Retread at April 02, 2014 04:30 PM (cHwk5)

643 so, will we ever hear about lopez being angry about his unrequited love?

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 04:30 PM (rDidD)

644 fawck he looks just like Nadal Hassan

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 04:31 PM (zOTsN)

645 Guns should be part of the uniform.

They're just not tres chic girl!
They just ruin the lines, and the color choices are atrocious!
At best they're a Fall, and this is Spring! I see Berets!

Posted by: Drew Paddingit, Ralph Lauren Official Military Stylist 2014 at April 02, 2014 04:31 PM (pgQxn)

646 NCJ, perhaps Ft. Hood should just go on Giant Voice FPCON Delta.

Everything locks up like a bank vault.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 02, 2014 04:31 PM (7oL8c)

647 Man, I need a George Constanza desk for one of these active shooter events. Lined with kevlar of course.

Posted by: CDR M at April 02, 2014 04:31 PM (LsJl8)

648 Shep says they don't know the motive. Allah be praised, the infidels are dumber that dog shit.

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 02, 2014 04:32 PM (0FSuD)

649 629 SCOAMF stumbled over the word prayer when he said 'our thoughts and uh, uh, ppprayers are with those at Ft. Hood.' Posted by: Retread +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Perhaps he has the clear mind of an atheist.

Posted by: Countrysquire at April 02, 2014 04:32 PM (8FyP4)

650 539 friend of Jose Padilla?

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 08:07 PM (zOTsN)


I'm thinking that, too.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at April 02, 2014 04:32 PM (KL49F)

651 Man, I need a George Constanza desk for one of these active shooter events. Lined with kevlar of course. Posted by: CDR M at April 02, 2014 08:31 oh I thought you meant the one with the maid.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 04:33 PM (rDidD)

652 So the shooter was a natural conservative?

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 02, 2014 04:33 PM (ZshNr)

653 Georgie! Is that cashmere?

Posted by: Countrysquire at April 02, 2014 04:33 PM (8FyP4)

654 Clearly this is NOT a terror attack. Just like the last Ft Hood incident. Workplace discrimination or something. I blame Boosh, it's in TX.

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 02, 2014 04:33 PM (0FSuD)

655 601 gee
he looked real broke up

More like pissed because he had to leave the fundraising banquet just before the first course, and he loves his arugula.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at April 02, 2014 04:33 PM (pgQxn)

656 Y5, I do not think CDR M would object if it came with kevlar, a maid, and a coffee maker.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 02, 2014 04:34 PM (7oL8c)

657 640 Georgie! Is that cashmere? Posted by: Countrysquire at April 02, 2014 08:33 PM (8FyP4) I LOL'D!

Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at April 02, 2014 04:34 PM (bCEmE)

658 maybe he was being discharged for cause, hence the low rank at his age if correct either way it dorks with the narrative

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 04:34 PM (zOTsN)

659 oh I thought you meant the one with the maid. Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 08:33 PM (rDidD) Heh.

Posted by: CDR M at April 02, 2014 04:34 PM (LsJl8)

660 Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 02, 2014 08:34

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 04:34 PM (rDidD)

661 Oh, now TFG doesn't want to comment. Because Lopez. Posted by: Clutch Cargo at April 02, 2014 08:25 PM (pgQxn) But, according to George Will, Jeb could probably handle it just fine. Bush is fluent in Spanish and accomplished at courting the approximately 17 percent of the Florida electorate that is Hispanic: He received 61 percent of their votes in 1998 and almost that much in 2002. The time is ripe for Republicans to do as well with Hispanics as Jeb BushÂ’s brother did in 2000. yeah, baby he's all in

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2014 04:35 PM (IXrOn)

662 Jesus help me. Our c in c is heartbroken. This is as bad as the Putin debacle.

Posted by: pj at April 02, 2014 04:35 PM (ZWaLo)

663 Lea Gabrielle....... {bunk}

Posted by: BunkerinTheBurbs at April 02, 2014 04:35 PM (X3xYu)

664 arugula is out, it is all kale these days

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 04:36 PM (rDidD)

665 @JammieWF

@PruPaine "Obama addressed reporters following a meeting with supporters at River North's Chicago Cut Steakhouse"

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i][/b] at April 02, 2014 04:36 PM (bFFNE)

666 Ivan Lopez? Clearly a Russian from Cuba that didn't get his rap contract and blah blah blah. So this is what you get when military personnel can not have concealed carry. Sitting ducks.

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 02, 2014 04:36 PM (0FSuD)

667 Ft. Hood is near Ted Nugent's ranch. I reckon we'll see Mr. Powerstroke blaming him in about 10.5 hours.

Posted by: Countrysquire at April 02, 2014 04:37 PM (8FyP4)

668 So who brought the steak to the fund raiser and does Michelle know about it?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 02, 2014 04:37 PM (7oL8c)

669 Isn't that right under Man's Country?

Posted by: BunkerinTheBurbs at April 02, 2014 04:37 PM (X3xYu)

670 If I had an army, I would want my soldiers to be armed. With weapons.

Posted by: real joe at April 02, 2014 04:37 PM (xXhgd)

671 you could tell he was heart broken really

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 04:37 PM (zOTsN)

672 he'll prolly tweet out a sad face emoticon

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 04:38 PM (zOTsN)

673 When somebody on the left says something vile( a daily occurrence) their lefty friends don't jump all over them.No lefty will give you credit for jumping on a right winger that says something stupid.Better to say nothing at all.

Posted by: steevy at April 02, 2014 04:38 PM (zqvg6)

674 DNC fundraising letter to be mailed in how many hours, 24...?

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 02, 2014 04:38 PM (0FSuD)

675 641 Clearly this is NOT a terror attack. Just like the last Ft Hood incident. Workplace discrimination or something. I blame Boosh, it's in TX. Posted by: Nip Sip at April 02, 2014 08:33 PM (0FSuD) Don't forget the GOP senate candidate from your state

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 02, 2014 04:38 PM (HVff2)

676 648 yeah, baby
he's all in

O_o

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at April 02, 2014 04:38 PM (pgQxn)

677 On January 20th, 2009... shit just got un-real.

Posted by: Soothsayer, corn bread assassin at April 02, 2014 04:38 PM (5Kf7w)

678 thunderb as he kicks his heels up on the desk in AF1

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 02, 2014 04:38 PM (7oL8c)

679 shelter in place is the modern rope a dope

Posted by: Quatro de Julio at April 02, 2014 04:38 PM (oA/dH)

680 Isn't sheltering in place really the story of Barack Obama?

Posted by: Countrysquire at April 02, 2014 04:39 PM (8FyP4)

681 he's all in O_o Posted by: Clutch Cargo at April 02, 2014 08:38 reggie?

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 04:40 PM (rDidD)

682 I am heartbroken.  Heartbroken that I had to pause my advance copy of this seasons Game of Thrones.

Posted by: Barack Obama at April 02, 2014 04:40 PM (Aif/5)

683 Well, thank God he's not Ghey? What?

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 02, 2014 04:40 PM (0FSuD)

684 prayers to the wounded and the families of the fallen.

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 04:40 PM (zOTsN)

685 shelter in place is the same advice obama gave to ukraine

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 04:40 PM (rDidD)

686 It';s described as a "soldier on soldier incident'. WTF.....

Posted by: Guido at April 02, 2014 04:40 PM (15qFH)

Posted by: Lifeisdeath at April 02, 2014 04:41 PM (6unVm)

688 I wonder if they are pics of this guy? WE DON'T HAVE ANY FUCKING PICTURES HATER!!

Posted by: MSM at April 02, 2014 04:41 PM (oFCZn)

689 Posted by: Rob in Katy at April 02, 2014 08:30 PM (PiTBB) I had the same experience. I suspect that the reason for not getting ammo until you get to the range is so that it doesn't disappear (yes, I know; I too am shocked that theft occurs in the military) and it isn't a hazard if your in a wreck while in transit. Everyone I knew who lived on base had to check their personal weapon in/out at the armory. I had a .357 that I carried in my survival vest when we deployed on both Westpacs, and even on the ship I had to check it in and out for each hop. The only time we carried weapons and rounds on us in garrison was overseas during the Persian Excursion. Even then, no chambered rounds and the weapon(s) went with you EVERYWHERE.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at April 02, 2014 04:41 PM (60Vyp)

690 I mean. Poor JEF. He'll have to send form letters to the families. Such a pain in the ass

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 04:41 PM (zOTsN)

Posted by: Lifeisdeath at April 02, 2014 04:42 PM (6unVm)

692 664 On January 20th, 2009...

shit just got un-real.

It really was like a fucking light switch wasn't it?
I think a day-to-day compilation would be mind-boggling.

This is sort of like all the weird/crazy/awful shit that's happened in my 55+ years of life condensed into 5 years, only it's dropped acid. The brown shit Wavy warned about.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at April 02, 2014 04:42 PM (pgQxn)

693 picture of the guy

Posted by: Lifeisdeath at April 02, 2014 04:42 PM (6unVm)

694 Gosh, I am really missing O'R's brilliant commendatory tonight. NOT.

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 02, 2014 04:42 PM (0FSuD)

695 I have seen Ivan as a name among hispanics before. It is not odd that a mexican-American would have that name.

Posted by: Baldy at April 02, 2014 04:42 PM (2bql3)

696 We are very disturbed to hear about another instance of workplace violence at Ft. Hood. The President has been informed and is getting updates on his iPad via the CNN website. Over the coming days, we will work to identify the YouTube video or similar trigger that caused this tragedy. Vice President Biden will be named Sheriff of the investigation and will work with the President to draft solutions to get guns out of our schools, daycare centers and military bases... for the children and the middle class. We hope that Republicans will accept responsibility for their violent rhetoric and continued support of people who want to shoot people, however, we expect more of the same obstructionism. No matter, the President has a pen and a phone and will be calling Vladimir Putin this weekend to ask his advice and take notes on how to respond to this tragedy.

Posted by: White House Statement at April 02, 2014 04:42 PM (j0wOO)

697 677 Autopen!

Posted by: steevy at April 02, 2014 04:42 PM (zqvg6)

698 Troll really wants us to follow that broken link.

Posted by: Y-not whose head is filled with mucus at April 02, 2014 04:42 PM (zDsvJ)

699 Lopez? Sounds like a 'dreamer' just living in the shadows.

Posted by: Mole6 at April 02, 2014 04:43 PM (m0le6)

700 obama's handwriting is nearly identical to helvetica

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 04:43 PM (rDidD)

701 Only in America... would we create an Army designed and trained for Anti insurgency, and security.... and then not allow them to secure their own base...

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 02, 2014 04:44 PM (84gbM)

702 Well I thought Frank the Tank was funny in Old School, too. From BattleSwarm Blog http://www.battleswarmblog.com/?p=19867 -- Update 2: Blithely ignoring my own advice one paragraph up, this would seem to be Ivan Lopez’s Google+ page (“Works at 2-8 CAV/Lives in texas”) and his connected YouTube channel. What little this says about the shooter could be measured in a very small thimble. https://www.youtube.com/user/ivhlopez1981

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 02, 2014 04:44 PM (ZPrif)

703 686 Lopez? Sounds like a 'dreamer' just living in the shadows. That or his "boy toy" shut him down.

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 02, 2014 04:44 PM (0FSuD)

704 677 I mean. Poor JEF. He'll have to send form letters to the families. Such a pain in the ass Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 08:41 PM (zOTsN Easier than his phone

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 02, 2014 04:44 PM (HVff2)

705 677 I mean. Poor JEF. He'll have to send form letters to the families. Such a pain in the ass

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 08:41 PM (zOTsN)


he'll need a vacation....

Posted by: Guido at April 02, 2014 04:44 PM (15qFH)

706 I have seen Ivan as a name among hispanics before. It is not odd that a mexican-American would have that name.

Especially raised here and followed Marx and Lenin in high school and jr. college.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at April 02, 2014 04:45 PM (pgQxn)

707 I have seen Ivan as a name among hispanics before. It is not odd that a mexican-American would have that name. Posted by: Baldy my point is that it is very common a lot of Marxist exiles went to central and south America, including Mexico, decades ago and that's how the Russian names got into Hispanic culture

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 04:45 PM (zOTsN)

708 Obviously, the failure to pass amnesty caused this horrific incident.

Posted by: MSM at April 02, 2014 04:45 PM (oFCZn)

709 not a broken link 685

Posted by: Lifeisdeath at April 02, 2014 04:46 PM (6unVm)

710 Yes of course everyone on the base should be armed even the ones in the Warriors in Transition Brigade like Lopez. Having everybody on the base running around looking for an inknown armed might have been a bit crazy

Posted by: Rightrt at April 02, 2014 04:46 PM (XzuSc)

711 Shep, you dumb fuck, the second largest Army base in the world of course has a "medical faculty" The stupid is strong.

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 02, 2014 04:46 PM (0FSuD)

712 I believe in strunk and white you say "three people and some sheepfucker"

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 04:47 PM (rDidD)

713 Yup, Vladimir Guerrero wasn't named after his great grand pappy.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 02, 2014 04:47 PM (ZshNr)

714 @iowahawkblog Whatever the story here, the idea that the US Army has to call 911 when their bases are attacked is flat-out insane.

Posted by: Retread at April 02, 2014 04:47 PM (cHwk5)

715 We are waiting on word from the Or-eee-on plane that is heading to the area for aerial coverage...

Posted by: Shep Smith at April 02, 2014 04:47 PM (08jH8)

716 lots of Hispanics have Slavic first names:  Ivan, Vladimir, etc


maybe their mommas were commies

Posted by: Jules ( sniffing t-shirts ) at April 02, 2014 04:47 PM (JyjXt)

717 Posted by: Nip Sip at April 02, 2014 08:46 PM (0FSuD How can you watch that imbecile?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 02, 2014 04:47 PM (HVff2)

718 You just know JEF is p*ssed that his partying is being interrupted.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2014 04:47 PM (IXrOn)

719 IÂ’m sorry to go O/T But I just had a call from Team Mitch asking for $. I told them I do not like Mitch & man asked why. I told him heÂ’s a wimp. He wanted to know why. I said he doesnÂ’t stand up to Harry Reid or Obama. I could go on & on but gave last debt ceiling increase with no spending cuts as example. I said that we cannot keep spending without cutting. I was on a recorded line too, so I kept it clean.

Posted by: Carol at April 02, 2014 04:47 PM (gjOCp)

720 Prayers for the victims and their families. I won't listen to the news reports. I'm already as angry as can be. I don't need to escalate.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 02, 2014 04:47 PM (oMKp3)

721 Ivan was the 91st most common boy's name in 2012, in Texas. More populatr than Thomas. http://www.ssa.gov/cgi-bin/namesbystate.cgi

Posted by: Baldy at April 02, 2014 04:47 PM (2bql3)

722 697 Yes of course everyone on the base should be armed even the ones in the Warriors in Transition Brigade like Lopez. --- Someone not up for full duty should not be full uniform.

Posted by: Y-not whose head is filled with mucus at April 02, 2014 04:48 PM (zDsvJ)

723 White Hispanic

Posted by: noone, really [/i] [/b] at April 02, 2014 04:48 PM (5ikDv)

724 liberal teapartier

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 04:48 PM (rDidD)

725 "Yes of course everyone on the base should be armed even the ones in the Warriors in Transition Brigade like Lopez. Having everybody on the base running around looking for an inknown armed might have been a bit crazy"

more crazy than forcibly disarming every soldier and telling them that if anything ever happens, just hide and pray?

Posted by: Lifeisdeath at April 02, 2014 04:48 PM (6unVm)

726 Or-eeeon Pee-threes fly out of NAS Jax every day.


If you're on Roosevelt Blvd, they come right over your car.  Tres cool

Posted by: Jules ( sniffing t-shirts ) at April 02, 2014 04:49 PM (JyjXt)

727 Posted by: Carol at April 02, 2014 08:47 PM (gjOCp) Team.... MITCH? Mcconell or Romney? /shudder

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 02, 2014 04:49 PM (84gbM)

728 I have seen Ivan as a name among hispanics before. It is not odd that a mexican-American would have that name.

Posted by: Baldy

I thought Cubans used to give their kids Russian names in commie solidarity.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i][/b] at April 02, 2014 04:49 PM (bFFNE)

729 40% of all deployed troops are now claiming to be permanently disabled, with PTSD the most frequently cited problem when finishing service How many do you want armed at all times ?

Posted by: Rightrt at April 02, 2014 04:49 PM (XzuSc)

730 I just saw this quote of TFG's remarks at PJM: “Any shooting is troubling. Obviously this reopens the pain of what happened at Fort Hood five years ago. We know these families. We know their incredible service to our country and the sacrifices that they make. Obviously[b/] our thoughts and prayers were — are with the entire community. And we are going to do everything we can to make sure that the community at Fort Hood has what it needs to deal with the current situation, but also any potential aftermath.” *** Somehow it doesn't sound like he's terribly broken up about it. "My mother was just diagnosed with terminal cancer." "Well, obviously, my prayers go out to her."

Posted by: rickl at April 02, 2014 04:50 PM (sdi6R)

Posted by: rickl at April 02, 2014 04:50 PM (sdi6R)

732 Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 08:45 PM (zOTsN) - Thanks. I just thought it odd others thought it odd. I spend much of my time looking at names (genealogy is a hobby).

Posted by: Baldy at April 02, 2014 04:50 PM (2bql3)

733 "Having everybody on the base running around looking for an inknown armed might have been a bit crazy" That's not what anyone is saying. First of all, if the guy is shooting people, he wouldn't be able to go running around base if the people he first shot at could shoot back. But, if somehow he did manage to get though the wave of people shooting back, he'd face another crew of armed soldiers behind every door he broke down. What would you rather have to protect you if a gunman burst through your door, a stapler or a gun?

Posted by: Lauren at April 02, 2014 04:50 PM (hFL/3)

734 716 40% of all deployed troops are now claiming to be permanently disabled, with PTSD the most frequently cited problem when finishing service How many do you want armed at all times ? Posted by: Rightrt at April 02, 2014 08:49 PM (XzuSc) Bullshit.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 02, 2014 04:50 PM (oMKp3)

735 I've known Mexican guys named Ivan for many years. It could be that the parents wanted something a little different than Jose or Juan.

Posted by: Countrysquire at April 02, 2014 04:51 PM (8FyP4)

736 Obvious troll trolls obviously.

Posted by: Y-not whose head is filled with mucus at April 02, 2014 04:51 PM (zDsvJ)

737 Ivan Hussein Lopez?

Posted by: Beagle at April 02, 2014 04:51 PM (VYKyW)

738 717 Somehow it doesn't sound like he's terribly broken up about it. It's not like Mooch dropped millions in china or something

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 02, 2014 04:52 PM (HVff2)

739 everybody with PTSD is CRAZEEEEEEE WEEEEEE so sick of that most shooters lately are schizophrenic not PTSD that is a fucked up stereotype and where exactly did you get those figures? out your ass?

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 04:52 PM (zOTsN)

740 Let me try that again: “Any shooting is troubling. Obviously this reopens the pain of what happened at Fort Hood five years ago. We know these families. We know their incredible service to our country and the sacrifices that they make. Obviously our thoughts and prayers were — are with the entire community. And we are going to do everything we can to make sure that the community at Fort Hood has what it needs to deal with the current situation, but also any potential aftermath.” *** Somehow it doesn't sound like he's terribly broken up about it. "My mother was just diagnosed with terminal cancer." "Well, obviously, my prayers go out to her."

Posted by: rickl at April 02, 2014 04:52 PM (sdi6R)

741 In Spanish Ivan means Pedro.

Posted by: eman at April 02, 2014 04:52 PM (0UXKR)

742 his brother is Trotsky Lopez, and his cousin is Tito

Posted by: Jules ( sniffing t-shirts ) at April 02, 2014 04:52 PM (JyjXt)

743 "40% of all deployed troops are now claiming to be permanently disabled, with PTSD the most frequently cited problem when finishing service
How many do you want armed at all times ?"

so, your answer is to disarm 40% of our soldiers that are deployed?

Posted by: Lifeisdeath at April 02, 2014 04:52 PM (6unVm)

744 more crazy than forcibly disarming every soldier and telling them that if anything ever happens, just hide and pray?

Posted by: Lifeisdeath at April 02, 2014 08:48 PM (6unVm)


soldiers should be armed. period. put processes in place for this type of disaster.

Posted by: Guido at April 02, 2014 04:52 PM (15qFH)

745

Posted by: rickl at April 02, 2014 08:50 PM (sdi6R) - I agree. He uses obviously as a tic to say the opposite of what he is saying.

Posted by: Baldy at April 02, 2014 04:52 PM (2bql3)

746 Obvious troll trolls obviously.
Posted by: Y-not whose head is filled with mucus at April 02, 2014 08:51 PM (zDsvJ)



You talking about Obama or the thread troll?

Posted by: mugiwara at April 02, 2014 04:52 PM (3a584)

747 Obama's prayers are about as sincere as a hooker's moans.

Posted by: Y-not whose head is filled with mucus at April 02, 2014 04:53 PM (zDsvJ)

748 You don't want everybody armed all the time. In practice that would be a nightmare. It's difficult to change the oil on your vehicle with an M-16 around your shoulder, and you're basically going to Army Hell if you let it out of your sight. 95% of soldiers on any base, not in a war zone, don't need loaded weapons. It would be a huge pain in the ass, and a definite security risk. But there should be a constant 5% armed presence, give or take.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 02, 2014 04:53 PM (ZshNr)

749 If they'd installed "Gun Free Zone" signs, none of this would have happened.

Posted by: Damiano at April 02, 2014 04:53 PM (j0wOO)

750 Pudge Rodriguez's real name is Ivan, btw.

Posted by: Lauren at April 02, 2014 04:53 PM (hFL/3)

751 >>Posted by: mugiwara at April 02, 2014 08:52 PM (3a584) Does it matter? After all, isn't the thread troll's story really the story of Obama?

Posted by: Y-not whose head is filled with mucus at April 02, 2014 04:53 PM (zDsvJ)

752 Has anyone asked Mary from VT what her opinion is?  It will have to be 100% better than the Trool-chowder we've been seeing in this thread.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 02, 2014 04:54 PM (7oL8c)

753 734 Obama's prayers are about as sincere as a hooker's moans.
At least the hooker pretends.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at April 02, 2014 04:54 PM (pgQxn)

754 I'd rather hear a hooker moans, and I'm not even a consumer

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 04:54 PM (zOTsN)

755 your hookers moan? I must not be paying enough.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 04:54 PM (rDidD)

756 A guy walks into a large room where a large group of unarmed soldiers are and you want them to be able to protect themselves!?!?!?

Posted by: Right I'm a Dick at April 02, 2014 04:55 PM (Aif/5)

757 Posted by: Lincolntf at April 02, 2014 08:53 PM (ZshNr) There should be an armed reaction force... rotate through your grunts and commands... Hell.... its what we did on ships in the Navy...

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 02, 2014 04:55 PM (84gbM)

758 Further to PJM'a quotes posted above by rickl, SCOAMF also said he was determined to get to the bottom of exactly what happened at Ft. Hood today.


Odd phrasing.

Posted by: Retread at April 02, 2014 04:55 PM (cHwk5)

759 >>742 your hookers moan? I must not be paying enough. Kick harder.

Posted by: Y-not whose head is filled with mucus at April 02, 2014 04:55 PM (zDsvJ)

760 I would not want Obama praying for me. Who knows where he directs his "prayers"? I would half expect demons to show up.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 02, 2014 04:56 PM (oMKp3)

761 742 your hookers moan? I must not be paying enough. Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 08:54 PM (rDidD Want to see a whore moan? Don't tip her.

Posted by: Damiano at April 02, 2014 04:56 PM (j0wOO)

762 735. Hey!!! Don't start a shitstorm without me!!! Agree 100% of course

Posted by: Navycopjoe at April 02, 2014 04:56 PM (3uIOB)

763 Kick harder. Posted by: Y-not whose head is filled with mucus heh. maybe if I knock her iphone out of her hand.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 04:56 PM (rDidD)

764 Russian commies went to Mexico in the 20s ad 30s. Hence the Russian names like Leon here Leon Trotsky, founder of the Red Army, after leading a failed struggle of the Left Opposition against the policies and rise of Joseph Stalin in the 1920s and the increasing role of bureaucracy in the Soviet Union, was successively removed from power in 1927, expelled from the Communist Party, and finally deported from the Soviet Union in 1929. As the head of the Fourth International, Trotsky continued in exile in Mexico to oppose the Stalinist bureaucracy in the Soviet Union

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 04:56 PM (zOTsN)

765 Romeo13 may want to rethink that statement.  The thug at Norfolk got through the gate security, pier security, and the gangway security before someone else on USS Mahan actually noticed he did not belong.  One dead sailor later, the thug was dead.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 02, 2014 04:56 PM (7oL8c)

766 Hi, I'm just passing through. Don't know if this is latest or mentioned or what, but here y'go. c/o Drudge http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2014/04/02/search-for-active-shooter-on-fort-hood-base/ CBSDFW.COM: "Four people are confirmed dead and at least 14 people are injured.... The shooter has been identified as a soldier. He has been identified at 34-year-old Ivan Lopez. The shooting reportedly started as the result of a dispute between soldiers."

Posted by: mindful webworker, just passing through at April 02, 2014 04:57 PM (U13jb)

767 seriously, the PRI, which has operated Mexico for over a century like a combination fiefdom and giant Oil-Heroin pinata, had close links to the USSR and Castro for generations


the Marxism-Leninism is strong South of the Border; the Slavic names for their kids are honorific

Posted by: Jules ( sniffing t-shirts ) at April 02, 2014 04:57 PM (JyjXt)

768 What would you rather have to protect you if a gunman burst through your door, a stapler or a gun? Posted by: Lauren at April 02, 2014 08:50 PM (hFL/3) Desk lamp? Or .45 on the hip?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 02, 2014 04:58 PM (HVff2)

769 "735 You don't want everybody armed all the time. In practice that would be a nightmare. It's difficult to change the oil on your vehicle with an M-16 around your shoulder, and you're basically going to Army Hell if you let it out of your sight. 95% of soldiers on any base, not in a war zone, don't need loaded weapons. It would be a huge pain in the ass, and a definite security risk. But there should be a constant 5% armed presence, give or take.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 02, 2014 08:53 PM (ZshNr)"


well obviously when you are eating, you can put the sidearm and rifle down.  you dont need to keep them at the ready 24/7.  but they all should be able to have one if they want.  if they dont want to carry then thats fine.  however it ISNT fine to disarm soldiers.


hate to tell you, but i bet there already is a 5% armed force on bases.


what is more of a security risk?  armed man vs unarmed soldiers or our soldiers being armed if they so choose?

Posted by: Lifeisdeath at April 02, 2014 04:58 PM (6unVm)

770 A dispute between soldiers leaves 14 injured?

Posted by: grammie winger at April 02, 2014 04:58 PM (oMKp3)

771 Well if the lamp is in the shape of a leg in fishnet....

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 02, 2014 04:58 PM (7oL8c)

772 I know the first thing I think about doing after a tragedy is showing up to a website to troll. Fucking retard.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at April 02, 2014 04:58 PM (oFCZn)

773 DHS doesn't know the facts yet, but they KNOW it's NOT terrorism.

Psychic investigators over there.


Posted by: noone, really [/i] [/b] at April 02, 2014 04:59 PM (5ikDv)

774 "Desk lamp? Or .45 on the hip?" Hmmm, is it a lava lamp? Because, I mean, fire is dangerous!

Posted by: Joey Choo-Choo at April 02, 2014 04:59 PM (hFL/3)

775 It's what we did on pay days in Germany. The Officer of the day and a couple underlings got live rounds and stood around the pay table.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 02, 2014 04:59 PM (ZshNr)

776 I am done I think.  Too much of this weird fangled thang called Reality.

Time to turn the Internet off and spoil the kitteh cats.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 02, 2014 04:59 PM (7oL8c)

777 The fact that he ever contributed to Breitbart is nauseating. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 02, 2014 07:27 PM (DmNpO) -- I used to follow him, then unfollowed (with malice) for some reason or other a while back. There are plenty of constructive or even funny ways to express outrage.

Posted by: Y-not whose head is filled with mucus at April 02, 2014 05:00 PM (zDsvJ)

778 "327 This fucker again:"

That's what the Right needs.  People who think and act like how Seth MacFarlane portrays American Dad. 

Posted by: Shoot Me at April 02, 2014 05:00 PM (EQcfE)

779 I meant to include the four dead. 4 dead and 14 injured doesn't sound like a dispute between soldiers. It sounds like a massive assault.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 02, 2014 05:00 PM (oMKp3)

780 dispute between soldiers leaves 14 injured? Posted by: grammie winger at April 02, 2014 well given as there are more than a few noble men among them it is likely that simply being unarmed does not mean the all ran to shelter in place. some probably rushed at the gunfire.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 05:00 PM (rDidD)

781 DHS doesn't know the facts yet, but they KNOW it's NOT terrorism. *** Duh!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 02, 2014 05:00 PM (DmNpO)

782 A dispute between soldiers leaves 14 injured 4 dead?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 02, 2014 05:01 PM (DmNpO)

783 sounds like to me he went postal post men have PTSD too?

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 05:01 PM (zOTsN)

784 Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 09:00 PM (rDidD) Yes, that could be.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 02, 2014 05:01 PM (oMKp3)

785 shelter in place? It would seem to me that fall back to a fortified position would make more sense on a military base. And lots of concealed carry.

Posted by: Dendritic at April 02, 2014 05:02 PM (Fi+kS)

786 post men have PTSD too? Posted by: thunderb +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ We've all got it, just like ADHD.

Posted by: Countrysquire at April 02, 2014 05:03 PM (8FyP4)

787 A dispute between soldiers leaves 14 injured? Posted by: grammie winger at April 02, 2014 08:58 PM (oMKp3) Yup. Workplace Violence related to a YouTube video or some such. I'm glad they told me it was a dispute between soldiers though, or I'd have thought that 14 soldiers go shot during a hug fest.

Posted by: Damiano at April 02, 2014 05:03 PM (j0wOO)

788 this aint hell says the piece of shit was a truck driver

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 05:03 PM (zOTsN)

789 obama should see if he can get a flight and go down there and check on the troops. I bet if he called and let em know he is president they wold get him a seat right away.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 05:03 PM (rDidD)

790 Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 02, 2014 09:01 PM (DmNpO) Yes, sorry. I hit "post" too soon. I corrected my incomplete accounting. I certainly do not want to leave the impression that I am disrespecting those whose lives were lost.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 02, 2014 05:03 PM (oMKp3)

791 55 -I think is a non-story. Slow news day. Posted by: Mike Hammer --------------- Well that was stupid on a major level. I thought the discussion was about the guy clapped in the mental hospital. I denounce myself.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 02, 2014 05:04 PM (aDwsi)

792 I will shelter in place this day no more forever.

Posted by: Chief Joseph at April 02, 2014 05:04 PM (mx5oN)

793 @breeannehowe Fascinating difference in statements from leaders. Obama: We donÂ’t know what happened, itÂ’s sad. @GovernorPerry: We will get through this.

Posted by: Retread at April 02, 2014 05:04 PM (cHwk5)

794 I think piece of shit was being invited to leave the Army

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 05:04 PM (zOTsN)

795 Yankeefifth, were you able to type out that whole thing with a straight face?

Posted by: Countrysquire at April 02, 2014 05:05 PM (8FyP4)

796 773 post men have PTSD too? Posted by: thunderb +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ We've all got it, just like ADHD. Posted by: Countrysquire at April 02, 2014 09:03 PM (8FyP4) We are all infected.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 02, 2014 05:05 PM (mx5oN)

797 >>I denounce myself. Bad, wicked, naughty Mike Hammer!

Posted by: Zoot at April 02, 2014 05:05 PM (zDsvJ)

798 >>> What would you rather have to protect you if a gunman burst through your door, a stapler or a gun? Posted by: Lauren at April 02, 2014 08:50 PM (hFL/3) A staple gun?

Posted by: bergerbilder at April 02, 2014 05:05 PM (8MjqI)

799 Media is gonna make this a PTSD story.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 02, 2014 05:05 PM (ZPrif)

800 >>>Well if the lamp is in the shape of a leg in fishnet....

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 02, 2014 08:58 PM (7oL8c)<<<



I'm not using that... it was a major award.

Posted by: "Old Man" Parker at April 02, 2014 05:06 PM (08jH8)

801 Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 02, 2014 09:04 PM (aDwsi) Whenever I see a comment that seems a little off, I always chalk it up to a communication snafu when I see it's made by an honorable poster. Which of course includes a person such as yourself.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 02, 2014 05:06 PM (oMKp3)

802 And it's fra-gee-lay.

Posted by: "Old Man" Parker at April 02, 2014 05:07 PM (08jH8)

803 they cant blame the tea party he wasn't white enough so yep, gonna be the CRAZEE PTSD like postal workers get

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 05:07 PM (zOTsN)

804 Why can't this white Hispanic have a last name like Zimmerman?

Posted by: MSM Cocksuckers at April 02, 2014 05:08 PM (8FyP4)

805 784 >>I denounce myself. Bad, wicked, naughty Mike Hammer! Posted by: Zoot --------------- Just when you thought I was housebroken, right?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 02, 2014 05:08 PM (aDwsi)

806 Yes, sorry. I hit "post" too soon. I corrected my incomplete accounting. I certainly do not want to leave the impression that I am disrespecting those whose lives were lost. *** Oh holy cow! Nobody would have thought that!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 02, 2014 05:08 PM (DmNpO)

807 Was it Hasan himself or some in the media that tried to say he had PTSD from listening to the horrors of war?

Posted by: Adam at April 02, 2014 05:09 PM (Aif/5)

808 And it's fra-gee-lay.

Posted by: "Old Man" Parker at April 02, 2014 09:07 PM (08jH


Italian, I think.

Posted by: Retread at April 02, 2014 05:09 PM (cHwk5)

809 Odds are still strong that the dispute was a disagreement between Lopez and the soldiers over whether or not they were infidel scum.

Posted by: mugiwara at April 02, 2014 05:09 PM (3a584)

810 man I hope he was not jumped by 13 guys in hoodies with skittles and purple.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 05:09 PM (rDidD)

811 Well, this is odd -- another Ivan Lopez committed suicide a few years back. http://tinyurl.com/mbb7psk

Posted by: Taqiyyologist at April 02, 2014 05:09 PM (e7KZr)

812 Whenever I see a comment that seems a little off, I always chalk it up to a communication snafu when I see it's made by an honorable poster. Which of course includes a person such as yourself. Posted by: grammie -------------------- Any comment posted by myself should be assumed to be the maundering of an unhinged person.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 02, 2014 05:10 PM (aDwsi)

813 Countrysquire snark and rage, equal parts.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 05:10 PM (rDidD)

814 PzFeed Top News ‏@PzFeed 1m ALERT: Kent State University in Ohio says shot fired near Bowman Hall at main campus, students told to seek shelter

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 02, 2014 05:11 PM (DmNpO)

815 Annnnnd, there goes the ammo supply for the next six months.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 02, 2014 05:12 PM (aDwsi)

816 Brace up for fresh cries of "Gun control!"

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 02, 2014 05:12 PM (aDwsi)

817 how about psycho control

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 05:13 PM (zOTsN)

818 ALERT: Kent State University in Ohio says shot fired near Bowman Hall at main campus, students told to seek shelter Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Maybe we can make a couple more hit songs.

Posted by: Crosby, Stills, Nash, Young and some guys from Buffalo Springfield at April 02, 2014 05:13 PM (8FyP4)

819 *fap fap fap fap fap*

Posted by: Piers Morgan at April 02, 2014 05:13 PM (mx5oN)

820 how about psycho control Posted by: thunderb ----------------- Nah..., D.C. hospitals not large enough to hold all of them.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 02, 2014 05:14 PM (aDwsi)

821 804 how about psycho control Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 09:13 PM (zOTsN) Can we start with the assholes in the White House?

Posted by: Insomniac at April 02, 2014 05:15 PM (mx5oN)

822 Well, thank obama we have the NSA to prevent this kinda evil. oh wait.. and fuck you Peter King and John McCain. both of you can drop dead

Posted by: Soothsayer, corn bread assassin at April 02, 2014 05:15 PM (5Kf7w)

823 what a fuckin' day, eh? 

Posted by: Peaches at April 02, 2014 05:16 PM (8lmkt)

824 >>>they cant blame the tea party
Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 09:07 PM (zOTsN)<<<



MFM reporter: Sure we can. Look, we have evidence he was flying a Gadsden Flag.

Moron: Uh, that's the one with the stethoscope used to support Obamacare.

MFM Reporter: DENIER!!! RACIST!!!1!!eleventy!!!1!!!

Posted by: i can see it now at April 02, 2014 05:16 PM (08jH8)

825 Bad, wicked, naughty Mike Hammer! Posted by: Zoot at April 02, 2014 09:05 PM Reggie can give you a spanking

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at April 02, 2014 05:16 PM (60Vyp)

826 Any comment posted by myself should be assumed to be the maundering of an unhinged person.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 02, 2014 09:10 PM (aDwsi)



you say that like its bad thing Mike. Have you forgotten where you are? lol.

Posted by: Guido at April 02, 2014 05:16 PM (15qFH)

827 728 In Spanish Ivan means Pedro. NO it means Juan. Ivan is Russian for John. Hello?

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 02, 2014 05:16 PM (0FSuD)

828 I heard obama is intalling banquet hall facilities at mount weather in case the balloon goes up and everything goes nuclear he can continue hosting fundraisers.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 05:16 PM (rDidD)

829 Is there anything worse than a fucking liberal? Seriously. They are diseased. They are evil. They don't belong here. They need to go away. Now.

Posted by: jewells45 trying to keep from going crazy at April 02, 2014 05:16 PM (/IQip)

830 Kent State ‏@KentState 9m Main Campus: Report of a shot fired near Bowman Hall. Officers in area. Stay away from area. If in area, seek shelter until further notice.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 02, 2014 05:16 PM (DmNpO)

831 Posted by: Crosby, Stills, Nash, Young and some guys from Buffalo Springfield at April 02, 2014 09:13 PM (8FyP4) Gunsmokealenacht!

Posted by: Madamex at April 02, 2014 05:16 PM (vaWdD)

832 NASA has suspended contact with Russian government representatives, citing ongoing violations of Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity, according to an internal letter written by a top official on Wednesday. The authenticity of the letter has been confirmed by Fox News. “This suspension includes NASA travel to Russia and visits by Russian Government representatives to NASA facilities, bilateral meetings, email, and teleconferences or videoconferences,” states the letter, which was written by Michael F. O'Brien, NASA’s associate administrator for international and interagency relations. However, ongoing activities at the International Space Station (ISS) have been exempted from the rules, as well as “multilateral meetings held outside of Russia that may include Russian participation.” There are currently two Americans onboard the ISS. ???? How fucked up is this?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 02, 2014 05:17 PM (nzKvP)

833 Time to turn the Internet off and spoil the kitteh cats. Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 02, 2014 08:59 PM (7oL8c) fnord (7oL8c) *Actual* thread-winner. Sith tested, Sith approved!

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at April 02, 2014 05:17 PM (qyfb5)

834 Any comment posted by myself should be assumed to be the maundering of an unhinged person.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 02, 2014 09:10 PM (aDwsi)

I was lurking from my office earlier and saw a comment under your name that I had to stop myself from calling you an asshole.  Which is not how I normally think of you . . . is somebody socking you?

Posted by: Peaches at April 02, 2014 05:18 PM (8lmkt)

835 How fucked up is this? Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 02 well he did not want the guys trapped in afghanistan to feel lonely.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 05:18 PM (rDidD)

836 Give Hammer a break. It was 80 degrees in NC. No doubt he is sunburned and hung over.

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 02, 2014 05:18 PM (0FSuD)

837 KentWired ‏@kentwired 1m BREAKING: shots fired in ground near Bowman Hall, no injuries but students should still stay indoors

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 02, 2014 05:19 PM (DmNpO)

838 I was lurking from my office earlier and saw a comment under your name that I had to stop myself from calling you an asshole. Which is not how I normally think of you . . . is somebody socking you?

Posted by: Peaches at April 02, 2014 09:18 PM (8lmkt)



OK. then if Peaches thinks you're an asshole...well....

Posted by: Guido at April 02, 2014 05:19 PM (15qFH)

839 Meanwhile I "Volunteered" to travel 1/3 of the way across the Country for the Navy to do something, but in their infinite wisdom and lack of funding???, they will not pay for me to go there or pay for Air Travel. They want me to drive? Ah how about fuck you and find some one else then.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 02, 2014 05:19 PM (nzKvP)

840 Posted by: Piers Morgan at April 02, 2014 09:13 PM (mx5oN)

Pass the kleenex Piers...

Posted by: Geraldo Rivera at April 02, 2014 05:20 PM (pgQxn)

841 Wait.. wut? Another shooting??

Posted by: jewells45 trying to keep from going crazy at April 02, 2014 05:20 PM (/IQip)

842 812>> And then... The oral sex

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at April 02, 2014 05:20 PM (60Vyp)

843 " There are currently two Americans onboard the ISS. ???? How fucked up is this?" Really fucked up considering the Russians are their way home since we retired the shuttle program.

Posted by: Joey Choo-Choo at April 02, 2014 05:20 PM (hFL/3)

844 OK. then if Peaches thinks you're an asshole...well....

Posted by: Guido at April 02, 2014 09:19 PM (15qFH)


I'm on the fence here, Guido.  And, for whatever reason, I dislike posting from the office, even though there's never anyone there but me and I usually have nothing at all to do.  It's a wifi connection.  I'm a luddite, I don't trust that shit.

Posted by: Peaches at April 02, 2014 05:21 PM (8lmkt)

845 ted cruz is to blame

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 05:22 PM (zOTsN)

846 Is there anything worse than a fucking liberal? Seriously. They are diseased. They are evil. They don't belong here. They need to go away. Now. Posted by: jewells45 trying to keep from going crazy at April 02, 2014 09:16 PM (/IQip) fnord (/IQip) The error is endemic. It is unlikely you could even get away for a generation, but that at most. I don't know if there's a solution. The intermediate solution is to prevent anyone from having so much power that they can control you and eliminate opposition, but such a system will be under constant attack.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at April 02, 2014 05:22 PM (qyfb5)

847 Is there anything worse than a fucking liberal? Seriously. They are diseased. They are evil. They don't belong here. They need to go away. Now.

I have to respectfully disagree with you. I think you're way off base.

Unless of course by "here" you mean the planet - and then I obviously misunderstood. Sorry.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at April 02, 2014 05:22 PM (pgQxn)

848 So we're a super power that can't protects it's own soldiers on Base or have any way to get into space? obama's America?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 02, 2014 05:23 PM (nzKvP)

849 832 ted cruz is to blame Posted by: thunderb ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ A John Cornyn sock would have made that perfect.

Posted by: Crosby, Stills, Nash, Young and some guys from Buffalo Springfield at April 02, 2014 05:23 PM (8FyP4)

850 By here I meant the planet. Yes.

Posted by: jewells45 trying to keep from going crazy at April 02, 2014 05:23 PM (/IQip)

851 "However, ongoing activities at the International Space Station (ISS) have been exempted from the rules, as well as 'multilateral meetings held outside of Russia that may include Russian participation.' There are currently two Americans onboard the ISS."

America paid the absolutely overwhelming majority of the bills to construct the "International" Space Station. And now Americans are de facto held hostage aboard it.

Worse. Than. Carter.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 02, 2014 05:24 PM (noWW6)

852 Wonder if Lopez was one of Hasan's patients.

Posted by: Emily at April 02, 2014 05:24 PM (7Rn+/)

853 Well, nevergiveup, we can insure that transexual carnies get adequate health insurance, and isn't that what it's really all about?

Posted by: Lauren at April 02, 2014 05:24 PM (hFL/3)

854 I will never, ever understand this.  If your day is going to end with you putting a bullet in your sad, nasty, creepy little head, why not just start with that?  Why do you have to target other people's moms and dads and brothers and sisters and sons and daughters first?  Just go kill your fuckin' useless self and be done with it. 

Yeah, the probably don't want me taking calls at the suicide hotline, but I'd be okay at it, I think.  No?

Posted by: Peaches at April 02, 2014 05:24 PM (8lmkt)

855 Rep. Carter (Tx) is on with Megan. Said the shooter was a truck driver at the medical facility and was on duty.

Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at April 02, 2014 05:25 PM (bCEmE)

856 Well, nevergiveup, we can insure that transexual carnies get adequate health insurance, and isn't that what it's really all about? Posted by: Lauren at April 02, 2014 09:24 PM (hFL/3) Apparently.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 02, 2014 05:25 PM (nzKvP)

857 I don't know if there's a solution. The intermediate solution is to prevent anyone from having so much power that they can control you and eliminate opposition, but such a system will be under constant attack.

I was just thinking that it has been under attack for almost 30 years. As soon as Reagan was out of office, GHW started undoing everything he did, and it's been moving to the left ever since. The best we seem to manage is a slow down, but with Obongo it was like poppers and meth at the same time. The metronome is bouncing off the walls.


Posted by: Clutch Cargo at April 02, 2014 05:25 PM (pgQxn)

858 I'm trying to find it, but one reporter tweeted "from Islamaphobia to Xenaphobia"

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 05:26 PM (zOTsN)

859 A few harrumphs by the Republicans would be nice right about now. oh wait, no it wouldn't

Posted by: Soothsayer, corn bread assassin at April 02, 2014 05:27 PM (5Kf7w)

860 YOu would be great at it Peaches. "Just put that gun in your mouth and pull the fucking trigger, asshole"!! lol.

Posted by: jewells45 trying to keep from going crazy at April 02, 2014 05:27 PM (/IQip)

861 I'm on the fence here, Guido. And, for whatever reason, I dislike posting from the office, even though there's never anyone there but me and I usually have nothing at all to do. It's a wifi connection. I'm a luddite, I don't trust that shit.

Posted by: Peaches at April 02, 2014 09:21 PM (8lmkt) 


Well dearest when you make up your mind....I'm on your side. . I'm not here often enough to know. and that's prudent not to post from work. I've seen enough of Mike though not to think he's an asshole at this point. He has made me smile a few times. You make me smile all the time.



Posted by: Guido at April 02, 2014 05:27 PM (15qFH)

862 Posted by: Soothsayer, corn bread assassin at April 02, 2014 09:27 PM (5Kf7w) I have to ask. What do you have against cornbread?

Posted by: Insomniac at April 02, 2014 05:27 PM (mx5oN)

863 {{{{{jewells}}}}}  why not?  what fuckin' difference will it really make, looking at the larger picture?  if you can have mick jagger as a boyfriend and still hang yourself from a doorknob (still not sure how that works), then i have no answers other than, make sure you don't leave a mess.

Posted by: Peaches at April 02, 2014 05:28 PM (8lmkt)

864 "Meanwhile I 'Volunteered' to travel 1/3 of the way across the Country for the Navy to do something, but in their infinite wisdom and lack of funding???, they will not pay for me to go there or pay for Air Travel. They want me to drive? Ah how about fuck you and find some one else then."

Meanwhile, there's plenty of money in the Navy budget for holding mandatory multihour sexual harassment and/or "diversity" training sessions approximately every 72 hours.

Plus buying tankerloads of "green" biofuels at eleven times the spot market price of conventional fuel. No shortage of Navy money for that.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 02, 2014 05:28 PM (noWW6)

865 with a low barely audible slightly maniacal, slightly evil giggle carter marked his ballot and dropped it into the ballot box. "worst president ever my ass, well not anymore" he said to himself as he walked out of the polling place.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 05:28 PM (rDidD)

866 Massive OT

Reading a letter in my church office...

'Dear colleagues in Ministry,

2013 general synod resolved that RCA assemblies are urged to engage in letter writing to pass DREAM Act legislation...blah blah

Signed
Earl James

A hearty wtf is that shit all about

Posted by: Red Shirt at April 02, 2014 05:29 PM (oR0QN)

867 If I had Mick Jagger as a boyfriend I WOULD hang myself. Christ, I'd rather fuck a.. eh.. nevermind.

Posted by: jewells45 trying to keep from going crazy at April 02, 2014 05:30 PM (/IQip)

868 "So we're a super power that can't protects it's own soldiers on Base or have any way to get into space?"

Or defend its borders.

Or ensure its voting integrity.

Or even pay its bills.

Obama's America, all right.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 02, 2014 05:30 PM (noWW6)

869 Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel gave his support Monday to moves by the services to consider banning tobacco sales on bases and ships. Yup Yup Yup the burning issue of our times. I am sure those 3 Soldiers would be alive tonight if they banned smoking at FT Hood?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 02, 2014 05:33 PM (nzKvP)

870 We have very serious conversations about rape culture.

Posted by: Obama's America at April 02, 2014 05:33 PM (hFL/3)

871 We have very serious conversations about rape culture.

Posted by: Obama's America at April 02, 2014 09:33 PM (hFL/3)


We don't care about your fuckin' fantasies, eh?

Posted by: Peaches at April 02, 2014 05:34 PM (8lmkt)

872 Yeah, the probably don't want me taking calls at the suicide hotline, but I'd be okay at it, I think. No? Posted by: Peaches at April 02, 2014 09:24 PM (8lmkt) As usual, you are right Peaches

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 02, 2014 05:35 PM (HVff2)

873 "Asked about security improvements in the aftermath of other shootings at military bases, Mr Hagel said 'something's not working' when such tragedies take place."

That's right, Upchuck. Something sure as hell is not working. The entire administration that you're a part of.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 02, 2014 05:35 PM (noWW6)

874 A corn bread kilt me granpappy.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lesbian Outreach Coordinator at April 02, 2014 05:35 PM (5Kf7w)

875 You know what, I wish I could have been the one to cap that asshole at Ft. Hood today. 

Posted by: Peaches at April 02, 2014 05:36 PM (8lmkt)

876 Sharyl Attkisson ‏@SharylAttkisson 33s If you don't like my series of tweets on topics then you may as well unfollow now, because one is coming on the Benghazi talking points. Here's the link if you're interested: https://twitter.com/SharylAttkisson

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 02, 2014 05:37 PM (DmNpO)

877 How terribly sad. It sounds like it was a soldier on soldier dispute, but you can never tell what's the case with all the speculation.... Probably trying to tie the person to the tea party as we speak. Sorry, at this time that was inappropriate. Prayers for the Families...

Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at April 02, 2014 05:37 PM (9+ccr)

878 Weapon? That's a lot of damage for a sidearm.

Posted by: Blacksheep at April 02, 2014 05:38 PM (bS6uW)

879 Kent State ‏@KentState 19m Advisory: April 2 - Kent Campus - Shot fired into ground near Bowman Hall. No injuries. Continue to shelter in place. http://www.kent.edu/advisory Kent State ‏@KentState 15m Advisory: April 2 - Suspect is black male wearing basketball shorts carrying a silver handgun. Call the police at 330-672-3070 with info.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 02, 2014 05:38 PM (DmNpO)

880 from his photo, the shooter looks like Pvt Leonard Lawrence



Posted by: Jules ( sniffing t-shirts ) at April 02, 2014 05:38 PM (JyjXt)

881 I think it was a .45, Blacksheep.  At least that's what they're saying now, before they clean it all up and make it purty.

Posted by: Peaches at April 02, 2014 05:39 PM (8lmkt)

882 if they cant claim PTSD it will because he had to endure all that racism or something

Posted by: thunderb at April 02, 2014 05:39 PM (zOTsN)

883 863 Is Sharyl working for anyone right now? Just curious if anyone wwnts an actual Reporter anymore.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at April 02, 2014 05:39 PM (ojnk6)

884 thunderb, I just want to say that, while I was lurking from my office earlier, I agreed with every single word you put up here.  you are so awesome . . .

Posted by: Peaches at April 02, 2014 05:40 PM (8lmkt)

885 Posted by: torquewrench at April 02, 2014 09:30 PM (noWW6) Yeah.... had to LOL when I saw the NASA announcement that they were no longer going to cooperate with Russia on stuff.... Uhhhh... then just how are our people going to get back from the Space Station?

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 02, 2014 05:41 PM (84gbM)

886 Alan West next up on Fox with Megyn

Posted by: dwagyak at April 02, 2014 05:42 PM (IfHEY)

887 Uhhhh... then just how are our people going to get back from the Space Station?

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 02, 2014 09:41 PM (84gbM)


camels

Posted by: Peaches at April 02, 2014 05:43 PM (8lmkt)

888 @742: "your hookers moan? I must not be paying enough."

Try not paying her at all.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at April 02, 2014 05:43 PM (jnG1p)

889 819 NASA has suspended contact with Russian government representatives, citing ongoing violations of Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity, according to an internal letter written by a top official on Wednesday. ???? How fucked up is this? Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 02, 2014 09:17 PM (nzKvP) I saw that at Drudge earlier. American astronauts and Russian cosmonauts have trained together and flown together for about the last 10-15 years or so. They know each other and their families. They know they are in it together in the unforgiving space environment, and depend on each other for survival. They have developed a real professional camaraderie that transcends politics. I can't believe that anyone in NASA ordered this. It had to have come from higher up.

Posted by: rickl at April 02, 2014 05:44 PM (sdi6R)

890 Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at April 02, 2014 09:43 PM (jnG1p)

holy crap, look who deigned to stop by?  xoxo, Fa Cube!!!

Posted by: Peaches at April 02, 2014 05:44 PM (8lmkt)

891 Is Sharyl working for anyone right now? Just curious if anyone wwnts an actual Reporter anymore. ** She's writing a book about the stonewalling in DC. I preordered it a few weeks ago. The working title has changed. It was Stonewalled: One Reporter's Fight for Truth in Obama's Washington now it's Stonewalled: My Fight for Truth Against the Forces of Obstruction, Intimidation, and Harassment in Obama's Washington Preorder here: http://amzn.to/OeeUjV

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 02, 2014 05:44 PM (DmNpO)

892 There is no good gawddamn reason why people with CCWs and active military should not be able to carry, openly or concealed, on posts.

Not everyone who doesn't (or never) put on a uniform is a weak sister who will cower from danger, and there's no reason why any of us should be denied the means to fight back.   The point wouldn't be to join the pros in hunting the bad guys down, but if the guy I'm talking to and know is unarmed is turned into a pink mist before my eyes, I'm pretty sure I could spot the threat and potentially stop the murders.

Posted by: SARDiver at April 02, 2014 05:45 PM (ci7Fe)

893 878 Love the reworked title. I hope her tax returns are bulletproof.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at April 02, 2014 05:46 PM (ojnk6)

894 Uhhhh... then just how are our people going to get back from the Space Station? Posted by: Romeo13 at April 02, 2014 09:41 PM (84gbM) I can't believe that anyone in NASA ordered this. It had to have come from higher up. Posted by: rickl at April 02, 2014 09:44 PM (sdi6R) It does NOT cover the contract NASA has with the Russians to get us to and back from the Space Station or the functioning go the Space Station thru 2017. It is like most obama admin shit: just for show but not for go

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 02, 2014 05:47 PM (nzKvP)

895 Heh. I've got a "top-rated comment" on PJM at the moment. http://tinyurl.com/lrbxs23

Posted by: rickl at April 02, 2014 05:47 PM (sdi6R)

896 A corn bread kilt me granpappy. T'wazn't!!!! Twaz the haggis!!!!

Posted by: People's Cornbread Microagression Army at April 02, 2014 05:48 PM (qoKTg)

897 "It does NOT cover the contract NASA has with the Russians to get us to and back from the Space Station or the functioning go the Space Station thru 2017. It is like most obama admin shit: just for show but not for go " What happens when Russia says "ha, that's nice. We're invalidating that contract. Have fun in space, Americans."

Posted by: Lauren at April 02, 2014 05:48 PM (hFL/3)

898 Hey, I notice Barry is "heartbroken" about today's events. ...I love how the only time he was outraged at a domestic shooting was when Tiller got shot. Today he's just heartbroken. Oh bummer America.

Posted by: Hawkins1701 at April 02, 2014 05:48 PM (7aJyE)

899 It's really weird, but this country just doesn't look and feel like the country I grew up in, and I'm not that old.....

Posted by: JoeyBagels at April 02, 2014 05:49 PM (Usdw3)

900 "882 Heh. I've got a "top-rated comment" on PJM at the moment. " Meatball.

Posted by: Lauren at April 02, 2014 05:49 PM (hFL/3)

901 Today he's just heartbroken. Oh bummer America. Posted by: Hawkins1701 at April 02, 2014 09:48 PM (7aJyE) But to heart broken to of directly to a fund raiser

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 02, 2014 05:50 PM (nzKvP)

902 Love the reworked title. I hope her tax returns are bulletproof. *** Me too! It's a much stronger and in-no-ways vague description of her experience.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 02, 2014 05:50 PM (DmNpO)

903 Kent State þ@KentState 15m
Advisory: April 2 - Suspect is black male wearing basketball shorts carrying a silver handgun. Call the police at 330-672-3070 with info.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 02, 2014 09:38 PM (DmNpO)

__________________

LaBron?

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at April 02, 2014 05:50 PM (jucos)

904 I can't help myself from beating this dead horse but how close was the senile senator who burned the Forrestal to Fort Hood today?

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at April 02, 2014 05:52 PM (L02KD)

905 apparently not close enough, spongebob

Posted by: Peaches at April 02, 2014 05:54 PM (8lmkt)

906 I'll bet the current talking points coordination site for the 'news' media is busy as hell right now trying to determine the best pro obama spin to put on this shooting.

Posted by: davidt at April 02, 2014 05:54 PM (nEIMV)

907 I can't help myself from beating this dead horse but how close was the senile senator who burned the Forrestal to Fort Hood today? **** Damnit. John McCain did NOT start the fire on the Forrestal. He's a big enough jagoff of his own right without that 50 year old lie dogging him.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 02, 2014 05:55 PM (DmNpO)

908 SpongeBobSaget: For the umpteenth time, McLame wasn't responsible for the Forrestal fire. He was almost killed himself.

Posted by: rickl at April 02, 2014 05:56 PM (sdi6R)

909 SpongeBobSaget: For the umpteenth time, McLame wasn't responsible for the Forrestal fire. He was almost killed himself.

Posted by: rickl at April 02, 2014 05:56 PM (sdi6R)

910 We're invalidating that contract.

Pray I do not invalidate it further.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 02, 2014 05:57 PM (xq1UY)

911 We're invalidating that contract.

Pray I do not invalidate it further.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 02, 2014 05:57 PM (xq1UY)

912 For the umpteenth time, McLame wasn't responsible for the Forrestal fire. He was almost killed himself. *** The video is horrifying. HTH he survived is beyond me.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 02, 2014 05:57 PM (DmNpO)

913 For the umpteenth time, McLame wasn't responsible for the Forrestal fire. He was almost killed himself. *** The video is horrifying. HTH he survived is beyond me.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 02, 2014 05:57 PM (DmNpO)

914 I'll bet the current talking points coordination site for the 'news' media is busy as hell right now trying to determine the best pro obama spin to put on this shooting.

Posted by: davidt at April 02, 2014 09:54 PM (nEIMV)



Likely that the shooter was:


A. Reacting due to racism (named Lopez)


B.  Reacting due to PTSD (which is BS, because PTSD only makes people want to hurt themselves, not others)


C.  LGBTQEIEIO and reacting to heterocisnormative harrasment.

Posted by: Country Singer at April 02, 2014 05:58 PM (r/e1Q)

915 I'll bet the current talking points coordination site for the 'news' media is busy as hell right now trying to determine the best pro obama spin to put on this shooting.

Posted by: davidt at April 02, 2014 09:54 PM (nEIMV)



Likely that the shooter was:


A. Reacting due to racism (named Lopez)


B.  Reacting due to PTSD (which is BS, because PTSD only makes people want to hurt themselves, not others)


C.  LGBTQEIEIO and reacting to heterocisnormative harrasment.

Posted by: Country Singer at April 02, 2014 05:58 PM (r/e1Q)

916 Long Bowman Hall or Cross Bowman Hall?

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at April 02, 2014 05:59 PM (hn5v5)

917 894 I can't help myself from beating this dead horse but how close was the senile senator who burned the Forrestal to Fort Hood today? **** Damnit. John McCain did NOT start the fire on the Forrestal. He's a big enough jagoff of his own right without that 50 year old lie dogging him. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 02, 2014 09:55 PM (DmNpO) In fairness, I think ol' Juanny's latest sucking off of Ted Kennedy's ghost has finally pushed the frustration level over the edge. Whatever goodwill Senator Fuckstick ever had on the Right, I think it's permanently gone.

Posted by: Hawkins1701 at April 02, 2014 05:59 PM (7aJyE)

918
   Soldier on soldier with the # of dead and wounded doesn't compute at all.  Something else is going on here.

   Gonna let the 24 hr rule work.

Posted by: irongrampa at April 02, 2014 06:00 PM (SAMxH)

919 Attkisson is tweeting like crazy like now. Breaking down the Benghazi hearing.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 02, 2014 06:00 PM (DmNpO)

920 In non-murder news, Continuum starts airing season 3 in a couple of days on VUDU (streaming) and maybe on Sci-Fi channel for people with cable or dish. Don't know about that part, but its a fairly good show. Seasons 1 and 2 can be found on Netflix at the moment.

Posted by: UWP at April 02, 2014 06:01 PM (KAmBO)

921 McCain is vouched for. I worked for a guy who was on both Forrestal and Oriskany when SHTF. Pretty sure whatever happened, he was behind it.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 02, 2014 06:01 PM (xq1UY)

922 Why the hell do they say "4 Dead" or "4 Dead including shooter"?!?

Why the fuck can't they just say "3 murdered, Shooter free to pursue other interests"?

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at April 02, 2014 06:01 PM (pgQxn)

923 If we accept the official story that the 'malfunctioning' Zuni rockets did not come from McCain's aircraft, can we at least ask how many shots he fired at Fort Hood today?

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at April 02, 2014 06:01 PM (L02KD)

924 McCain blew up  the Maine.


yes, he's that old

Posted by: Jules ( sniffing t-shirts ) at April 02, 2014 06:01 PM (JyjXt)

925 B. Reacting due to PTSD (which is BS, because PTSD only makes people want to hurt themselves, not others) Posted by: Country Singer at April 02, 2014 09:58 PM (r/e1Q) Heh, that's what I used to think too. But thenÂ….

Posted by: Zombie Chris Kyle [/i][/s][/u][/b] at April 02, 2014 06:01 PM (yz6yg)

926 Attkisson is tweeting like crazy like now.

Breaking down the Benghazi hearing.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 02, 2014 10:00 PM (DmNpO)


God bless her!

Posted by: Peaches at April 02, 2014 06:02 PM (8lmkt)

927 McCain strikes me as a fundamentally broken person after his war experiences. Whatever he had to do to survive as a POW damaged his sould. He really shouldn't be in a position of power over much of anyone or anything at this stage.

Posted by: Zoot at April 02, 2014 06:02 PM (zDsvJ)

928 Begone Zoot!

Posted by: Y-not removing naughty nun sock at April 02, 2014 06:03 PM (zDsvJ)

929 907 McCain blew up the Maine. yes, he's that old Posted by: Jules ( sniffing t-shirts ) at April 02, 2014 10:01 PM (JyjXt) ...How do we know the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs wasn't remote controlled?

Posted by: Hawkins1701 at April 02, 2014 06:04 PM (7aJyE)

930 Posted by: Y-not removing naughty nun sock at April 02, 2014 10:03 PM (zDsvJ)

Zoot Alors!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 02, 2014 06:04 PM (QFxY5)

931 Y-not, how are you?  Been worried a little . . .

Posted by: Peaches at April 02, 2014 06:04 PM (8lmkt)

932 907 McCain blew up the Maine. yes, he's that old Posted by: Jules ( sniffing t-shirts ) at April 02, 2014 10:01 PM (JyjXt) Let's ask Vic about that tomorrow morning.

Posted by: rickl at April 02, 2014 06:04 PM (sdi6R)

933 Let's ask Vic about that tomorrow morning. Posted by: rickl at April 02, 2014 10:04 PM (sdi6R) Vic probably wouldn't know about that. Ask him about Lepanto though. He was there.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/s][/u][/b] at April 02, 2014 06:05 PM (yz6yg)

934 Man, I am getting chafed!

Posted by: Satan's Barbed Cock at April 02, 2014 06:05 PM (pgQxn)

935 Dog wants to play outside, L8R

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at April 02, 2014 06:06 PM (L02KD)

936 McCain is vouched for. I worked for a guy who was on both Forrestal and Oriskany when SHTF. Pretty sure whatever happened, he was behind it. *** Then you might want to check out the actual video which shows a misfired rocket from another plane damn near blowing up/burning him to death.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 02, 2014 06:06 PM (DmNpO)

937 who was supposed a buy ivan a ticket to beijing via malaysia?

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 06:07 PM (rDidD)

938 John McCain showed the Persians the secret path to Thermopylae.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 02, 2014 06:08 PM (mx5oN)

939 919 McCain is vouched for. I worked for a guy who was on both Forrestal and Oriskany when SHTF. Pretty sure whatever happened, he was behind it. *** Then you might want to check out the actual video which shows a misfired rocket from another plane damn near blowing up/burning him to death. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 02, 2014 10:06 PM (DmNpO) I think they meant the person they had worked for was behind it.

Posted by: Hawkins1701 at April 02, 2014 06:08 PM (7aJyE)

940 I LOVE Les Kinsolving.

Posted by: Baldy at April 02, 2014 06:08 PM (2bql3)

941 God bless her! *** Yep. Adore her. She's tough and she's fair and applies equal treatment to both parties.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 02, 2014 06:08 PM (DmNpO)

942 is obama flying out of ohare or midway to get to Fort Hood?

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 06:09 PM (rDidD)

943 >>914 Y-not, how are you? Been worried a little Very bad. Didn't get much sleep while I was visiting my father (who is improved somewhat, but likely headed to a nursing home and is totally powerless against his bitch second wife) and promptly came down with a bad cold. Any of you morons of a certain age who have kids, I could write a book on what NOT to do in setting up your affairs. And, yes, it does include making sure you don't have an unethical lawyer in the mix. I am trying to come to grips with the likelihood that I've seen my dad for the last time. Trying to focus on supporting my sister (who is local to my dad, at least, even tho bitch wife hates her) as best I can.

Posted by: Y-not removing naughty nun sock at April 02, 2014 06:09 PM (zDsvJ)

944 I think they meant the person they had worked for was behind it. *** then I stand corrected mistaken

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 02, 2014 06:09 PM (DmNpO)

945 has carney announced what time obama is getting to Fort Hood?

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 06:09 PM (rDidD)

946 uh... corrected

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 02, 2014 06:10 PM (DmNpO)

947 {{{{{Y-not}}}}} prayers up, girl.  love you!

Posted by: Peaches at April 02, 2014 06:10 PM (8lmkt)

948 926 >>914 Y-not, how are you? Been worried a little Very bad. Didn't get much sleep while I was visiting my father (who is improved somewhat, but likely headed to a nursing home and is totally powerless against his bitch second wife) and promptly came down with a bad cold. Any of you morons of a certain age who have kids, I could write a book on what NOT to do in setting up your affairs. And, yes, it does include making sure you don't have an unethical lawyer in the mix. I am trying to come to grips with the likelihood that I've seen my dad for the last time. Trying to focus on supporting my sister (who is local to my dad, at least, even tho bitch wife hates her) as best I can. Posted by: Y-not removing naughty nun sock at April 02, 2014 10:09 PM (zDsvJ) Damn. That's really hard stuff. My thoughts and prayers are with you.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 02, 2014 06:10 PM (mx5oN)

949 Do we have a committment from the horde to bail out Y-Not should it prove necessary?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 02, 2014 06:10 PM (DmNpO)

950 Somewhere, there's an Indian Chief waiting for a shout-out.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 02, 2014 06:11 PM (ZshNr)

951 is it true that obama's secret service actually hadda physically restrain him from getting on air force one and flying to Fort Hood so he could help everyone locate the shooter and console families?

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 06:11 PM (rDidD)

952 Thanks, everyone. Sorry to be a drag on this otherwise cheery thread! ;-) Going to go take a bath and try to get some sleep. Be good to each other!

Posted by: Y-not removing naughty nun sock at April 02, 2014 06:11 PM (zDsvJ)

953 Heh, that's what I used to think too.

But thenÂ….

Posted by: Zombie Chris Kyle at April 02, 2014 10:01 PM (yz6yg)



IIRC, the shitbag that shot him claimed PTSD, but had no diagnosis thereof.

Posted by: Country Singer at April 02, 2014 06:12 PM (r/e1Q)

954 Sharyl Attkisson ‏@SharylAttkisson 47s Morell has now been hired by a PR firm operated primarily by former Hillary Clinton and Obama administration officials.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 02, 2014 06:13 PM (DmNpO)

955 932 Do we have a committment from the horde to bail out Y-Not should it prove necessary? --- I told you my plan involves a bottle of valurite, a large truck, and an illegal immigrant named Pedro, right? *heads off after assigning herself 5 Our Fathers and 10 Hail Marys*

Posted by: Y-not removing naughty nun sock at April 02, 2014 06:13 PM (zDsvJ)

956 932 Do we have a committment from the horde to bail out Y-Not should it prove necessary? --- well sure but she is probably gonna have to work the bail off.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 06:14 PM (rDidD)

957 Okay. Let me explain my stance on no guns on bases real fast before the ont Vets will understand this much easier Also I view this from a professional basis since base security was my job Feel free to ask ? But don't flame cause ill just ignore you Give me a minute to type it up

Posted by: Navycopjoe at April 02, 2014 06:14 PM (WnvXh)

958 Morell has now been hired by a PR firm operated primarily by former Hillary Clinton and Obama administration officials.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 02, 2014 10:13 PM (DmNpO)

laissez le bontemps rouler

Posted by: Peaches at April 02, 2014 06:14 PM (8lmkt)

959 IIRC, the shitbag that shot him claimed PTSD, but had no diagnosis thereof. Posted by: Country Singer at April 02, 2014 10:12 PM (r/e1Q) He didn't claim he had PTSD, his mother claimed that. But based on subsequent accounts Routh had classic PTSD symptoms.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/s][/u][/b] at April 02, 2014 06:14 PM (yz6yg)

960 Holy crap! This is still here?

Posted by: EC at April 02, 2014 06:14 PM (doBIb)

961 Here's Attkisson's blog post about the hearing today. http://www.sharylattkisson.com/articles.html

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 02, 2014 06:14 PM (DmNpO)

962 sean hannity, ted williams, race to the bottom of the iq ladder. hannity and williams would stalemate a game of give away checkers.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 06:15 PM (rDidD)

963 Morell is a lying crapweasel.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 02, 2014 06:16 PM (mx5oN)

964 Holy crap! This is still here?

Can't close this one until we get NCJ's explanation.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at April 02, 2014 06:16 PM (0AKks)

965
Can't close this one until we get NCJ's explanation.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at April 02, 2014 10:16 PM (0AKks)


Yeah, just hoping it doesn't involve the cubbies . . .

Posted by: Peaches at April 02, 2014 06:18 PM (8lmkt)

966 947 And drag this one over 1K.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at April 02, 2014 06:18 PM (ojnk6)

967 it is as if hannity has made a study of stupid, consciously unlearning.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 06:19 PM (rDidD)

968 I feel the need to restate it, for my own benefit. So Morell covers ass for Hillary and Obama and is rewarded with a job at a PR firm run by Hillary/Obama acolytes. Cozy.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 02, 2014 06:19 PM (DmNpO)

969 Ivan Lopez- White Hispanic Tea Partier Huh. My 1st thought was white russian.

Posted by: tbodie at April 02, 2014 06:20 PM (CQzvT)

970 Yeah, just hoping it doesn't involve the cubbies . . .

Posted by: Peaches at April 02, 2014 10:18 PM (8lmkt)


Or Bears

Posted by: Red Shirt at April 02, 2014 06:20 PM (oR0QN)

971 So Morell covers ass for Hillary and Obama and is rewarded with a job at a PR firm run by Hillary/Obama acolytes. Cozy. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse yeah, no conflict of interest here. where is her firm getting its money anyway?

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 06:20 PM (rDidD)

972 947 Holy crap! This is still here? Can't close this one until we get NCJ's explanation. Posted by: Blanco Basura at April 02, 2014 10:16 PM (0AKks) You're going to listen to someone that has to wear thermals when the temps dip to the frigid extreme of......the mid 60's? Yeah!

Posted by: EC at April 02, 2014 06:20 PM (doBIb)

973 951 I feel the need to restate it, for my own benefit. So Morell covers ass for Hillary and Obama and is rewarded with a job at a PR firm run by Hillary/Obama acolytes. Cozy. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 02, 2014 10:19 PM (DmNpO) Incestuous, more like it.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 02, 2014 06:20 PM (mx5oN)

974 Anybody got any weed?  Ribeye?  Baked potato? 

(just trying to be helpful, somebody wanted 1000 here)

gotta take a parlie break, brb.

Posted by: Peaches at April 02, 2014 06:21 PM (8lmkt)

975 we need some uday and qusay-ish photos of shooter, no selfies.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 06:21 PM (rDidD)

976 I could go with the 'Shep is an Affirmative Action hire', except I have NO idea what the box that Shep would check off would look like. Mental-Health challenged, Botoxed, and Asexual?

Posted by: dwagyak at April 02, 2014 06:22 PM (IfHEY)

977 oh, yo, it was like, high 50s here today, sustained winds of 18 mph, gusts to 30.  thank you in advance for your prayers.


Posted by: Peaches at April 02, 2014 06:22 PM (8lmkt)

978 Can't close this one until we get NCJ's explanation.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at April 02, 2014 10:16 PM (0AKks)


I'm going to go out on a limb and guess (and I agree):


Most service members, in fact, the vast majority, are not actually trained with weapons to any great extent...most are support personnel with only a very basic familiarity with weapons, especially handguns.  Also, junior enlisteds can be absolute irresponsible boneheads.  As the old joke goes, you can put a private in a room with no windows, just him and two ball bearings.  Come back ten minutes later, and he will have broken one and lost the other.  So yeah, from a former NCO viewpoint, I'd be less inclined to trust them with carrying, outside of extensive training.

Posted by: Country Singer at April 02, 2014 06:22 PM (r/e1Q)

979 You're going to listen to someone that has to wear thermals when the temps dip to the frigid extreme of......the mid 60's?

Yeah!

Can't really mock someone's opinions before you know them.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at April 02, 2014 06:23 PM (0AKks)

980 957 That was me Peaches. This late in a thread, why not do some throwaways?

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at April 02, 2014 06:23 PM (ojnk6)

981 So...any intel on the shooter yet? ...Other than name and age?

Posted by: wheatie at April 02, 2014 06:24 PM (FWbLS)

982 yeah, no conflict of interest here. where is her firm getting its money anyway? *** I don't think she's directly involved or, at least, she hasn't been mentioned. Just her friendlies.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 02, 2014 06:24 PM (DmNpO)

983 throw in a flash bang run in and drill the fuck outta their molars. effers will never eat hot soup, cold drinks or solid food again. Is it safe?

Posted by: Der Todtangel, DDS at April 02, 2014 06:24 PM (cHwSy)

984 If I had weed or a rib eye, I wouldn't be wasting my time up in this junk shop. No, seriously, weed is bad and many cows don't survive the steak extraction surgery, so, totally frowned upon.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 02, 2014 06:25 PM (ZshNr)

985

960 oh, yo, it was like, high 50s here today, sustained winds of 18 mph, gusts to 30. thank you in advance for your prayers.
 

 

--------

 

That's just a balmy Spring day, here in OK, Peaches.

 

Posted by: wheatie at April 02, 2014 06:26 PM (FWbLS)

986 There are truisms to all bases 1. The commander of the base has the ultimate authority of who is armed on his base 2. The mission of the command comes first 3. Not all things are created equal With those stated, the primary worry of security isn't the people, it's what the base needs for the mission Things vital to national defense come first such as strategic systems, airfields, weapons depots, etc Then it goes to command and control such as comms, hqs, etc Then secure areas such as the armory, disbursing, etc Then personnel In Conus, with a basic threat level, if everyone was armed it would be a security nightmare As the threat level grows, you supplement security with aux forces so you have more weapons to bring to the game Thats why in a warzone everyone is armed, the threat is there In the military on base, it's the needs of the military not the members It sucks but it's true If it comes between saving a plane or a sailor...the sailor is dead

Posted by: Navycopjoe at April 02, 2014 06:26 PM (MMpL5)

987 weed is bad and many cows don't survive the steak extraction surgery, so, totally frowned upon.

piker

Posted by: Peaches at April 02, 2014 06:27 PM (8lmkt)

988 I should amend that to read "junior personnel," not just "junior enlisted."  Some of the most dangerous moments I had in the military were while on the M9 range as a safety officer while officers were qualifying.

Posted by: Country Singer at April 02, 2014 06:28 PM (r/e1Q)

989 See?  NCJ posts and the ONT is up.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at April 02, 2014 06:29 PM (0AKks)

990 In the military on base, it's the needs of the military not the members
It sucks but it's true
If it comes between saving a plane or a sailor...the sailor is dead

Posted by: Navycopjoe at April 02, 2014 10:26 PM (MMpL5)

the "needs of the military" would be best served by having armed MPs swarming the place at all time and anyone who's had any weapons training at all carrying.  and there was no plane involved here.  {spits} 

Posted by: Peaches at April 02, 2014 06:29 PM (8lmkt)

991 NCJ, what should've been done differently at Ft. Hood ?

Posted by: Steck at April 02, 2014 06:29 PM (5i94q)

992 Ugggh Got a pickup Ill answer ?s on the ont

Posted by: Navycopjoe at April 02, 2014 06:29 PM (MMpL5)

993 I should amend that to read "junior personnel," not just "junior enlisted." Some of the most dangerous moments I had in the military were while on the M9 range as a safety officer while officers were qualifying. Posted by: Country Singer at April 02, 2014 10:28 PM (r/e1Q) I never heard so much heckling as when I was qualifying on the range

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 02, 2014 06:29 PM (nzKvP)

994 ncj - Civilians are often shocked when I point out that men are easily replaced. Equipment, not so easy. It's a hell of a lot easier to raise 2000 sailors than to build a ship.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 02, 2014 06:30 PM (aDwsi)

995 ONT...content heavy, too.

Posted by: wheatie at April 02, 2014 06:30 PM (FWbLS)

996 I never heard so much heckling as when I was qualifying on the range

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 02, 2014 10:29 PM (nzKvP)



I once had a JAG Lieutenant Colonel flag me with his M9 muzzle four times in the span of five minutes. 

Posted by: Country Singer at April 02, 2014 06:31 PM (r/e1Q)

997 971 I can believe that, CS. A friend of mine is a retired Colonel. He asked me how many times I have ever drawn my weapon. I said zero, as I have never shot anyone. He described 4 road rage instances in whjch he drew and displayed a weapon. What the fuckity fuck.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at April 02, 2014 06:31 PM (ojnk6)

998 We're being told this was "soldier-on-soldier violence", like the shooter had a disagreement with another soldier.  Of course that explains why he shot eighteen of them.

Posted by: creeper at April 02, 2014 06:32 PM (/5Sb8)

999 .....PTSD...... .....White Hispanic... ........horrible horrible xenophophia of the Tea Party conservatives is horrible...

Posted by: MSM meme machine at April 02, 2014 06:34 PM (urQDQ)

1000 .....Obama was fully briefed...... ....FULLY BRIEFED...... .....completely on top of the situation..... .....at a Chicago fundraiser.......the President that isn't running for reelection....at ANOTHER f*cking fundraiser..........

Posted by: MSM meme machine at April 02, 2014 06:38 PM (urQDQ)

1001 obama is en route to fort hood as we speak, no?

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 02, 2014 06:42 PM (rDidD)

1002 I am trying to come to grips with the likelihood that I've seen my dad for the last time. Trying to focus on supporting my sister (who is local to my dad, at least, even tho bitch wife hates her) as best I can. Posted by: Y-not removing naughty nun sock at April 02, 2014 10:09 PM (zDsvJ) Yes, best thoughts to you. The difficult time that comes to us all. My parents are in excellent health at 84 each, but 84 is what it is and I am thinking about the inevitable. Fortunately, both were Roosevelt Depression babies, learned their lessons well, set themselves (no college) with a 7 figure estate and made sound financial decisions as long as I can remember. They are constantly on top of the planning process and all the bases are covered and have been for some time. We recently had a family conference call to divvy up the household furnishings, fixture, keepsakes, etc. I ended up with all of Dads' tools and the M-1 Carbine, which is all I wanted anyway. Good luck and take it as it comes.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at April 02, 2014 06:44 PM (LgfBY)

1003 Don't hit McQuisling with the Forrestal. Use his proper title, please: "Unindicted Keating Five Co-Conspirator".

Posted by: Brother Cavil at April 02, 2014 06:52 PM (m9V0o)

1004 BREAKING NEWS: Obama has asked Chuck Hagel to brief him as to which award he can present to the shooter.

Posted by: Biscuits Mahoney at April 02, 2014 07:17 PM (avEon)

1005 The argument that having everyone of the soldiers armed would make it difficult to identify the bad guy in a situation like this is a ridiculous argument; the bad guy is the one lying on the ground with 90 bullet holes in him. Easy for the cops  to identify him when they eventually get there.


Posted by: [/i] [/s] [/u] [/b] An Observation at April 02, 2014 07:23 PM (ylhEn)

1006 The commanding officer conducting tonight's press conference was challenged regarding allowing CCW soldiers on base to carry by a reporter who repeatedly asked about how long the MP's response time was,etc. Officer finally got pissed and told reporter he was not in favor of CCW carrying on base and he wasn't going to debate with the reporter. Response time until the end of the incident was appx.15 minutes. A female MP engaged the shooter . Shooter then pulled out a 45 from under his jacket and shot himself. He was currently being evaluated for PTSD and was taking meds for depression and anxiety. Can't wait for the anti gun mob to start up as to why anyone taking anything more than a vitamin shouldn't have a gun.

Posted by: Jen at April 02, 2014 07:31 PM (IdGqX)

1007 Right now, thereÂ’s a bill in Congress that would boost AmericaÂ’s minimum wage to $10.10 an hour. ThatÂ’s easy to remember: ten-ten. And remember, the average worker who would get a raise if Congress acts is about 35 years old. Most lower-wage jobs are held by women. Just sayin'

Posted by: RWC at April 02, 2014 07:40 PM (QeH9j)

1008 Right now, thereÂ’s a bill in Congress that would boost AmericaÂ’s minimum wage to $10.10 an hour. ThatÂ’s easy to remember: ten-ten. And remember, the average worker who would get a raise if Congress acts is about 35 years old. Most lower-wage jobs are held by women. Just sayin'

Posted by: RWC at April 02, 2014 07:40 PM (QeH9j)

1009 Right now, thereÂ’s a bill in Congress that would boost AmericaÂ’s minimum wage to $10.10 an hour. ThatÂ’s easy to remember: ten-ten. And remember, the average worker who would get a raise if Congress acts is about 35 years old. Most lower-wage jobs are held by women. Just sayin'

Posted by: RWC at April 02, 2014 07:40 PM (QeH9j)

1010 It's a local story.

When will the humpfuckekers at the Pentagon give soldiers their weapons back on base? How many more need to die asswipes? this could have been over in 20 sec and not 15 fucking minutes.

Posted by: Big Ol Fat Guy at April 02, 2014 07:48 PM (BpQmM)

1011 Did SMOD finally come to collect?

Posted by: RWC at April 02, 2014 07:50 PM (QeH9j)

1012 "Well Bing tells me this little stunt of disarming the Military on Base was one of Clinton's first acts. Lovely." Bing is dead wrong, then. I was a Marine under Ronaldus Magnus, and only personnel assigned to an armed security watch carried weapons, and they were usually unloaded in the absence of an imminent threat (I was told "if you're locking and loading without a direct order from a commissioned officer, you'd better be bleeding" when I was on an armed watch in '84).

Posted by: Darth Cobalt Shiva, Sith Lord at April 02, 2014 08:32 PM (OY/SZ)

1013 This was hopefully mentioned before, but a typical S&W 1911 .45 has a 6 round Mag. + 1 in the pipe=7. That 10 round limit sure works, jagoffs!

Posted by: hutch1200 at April 03, 2014 01:02 AM (Kdd08)

1014 994 that's the compacts like my V10 A regular one holds 7 or 8 +1 or 10 with an extender like the Xgrip But point taken

Posted by: Navycopjoe at April 03, 2014 03:17 AM (O6zkv)

1015 What we have here is history repeating itself, gun control on a military base, Fort Hood, or the Marine barracks, the results the same.  When the military commander neglects to safe guard his soldiers, his soldiers get slaughtered.  Base commander or C-in-C.  Also it looks like the incarceration and lavish money paid to the mad Major nidal didn't have much of a deterent effect, eh ?
Those that refuse to learn the lessons of history, are doomed to repeat them.  When will some body incomand figure out the obvious ?  The base comander should be charged with dereliction of duty, c-in-c if applicable.

Posted by: ron n. at April 03, 2014 04:58 AM (c7HxG)

1016 Isn't it amazing another shooting of soldiers and an imediate cover-up just like when the muslim major did it and a cover-up story immediate like after Ben Ghazi.  Same type incidents, cover stories instantly available, one might think a connection.

Posted by: ron n. at April 04, 2014 11:31 AM (c7HxG)

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