1 Who me? defending this?  just say'in

2 Too inept to form a conspiracy?  Sounds like what libtards usually say about domestic terrorists.

3 How dare anyone refute a scientist who is much smarter than you!

4 In honor of the missing Medieval Warming Period, I say, upon conviction for fraud, pour molten lead down all their throats ...

...more than one way to get warm medievally, IYKWIMAITYD.

5 Look and see who is getting all the money to support this political scam. The scientists whose palms gladly take the money to falsify the data!

6

Great post, Ace.

I would just answer this central misunderstanding: "It isnÂ’t the world he needs to convince on global warming, it is the electorate back home."

AGW, or GW itself, may or may not be true. I concede it may be. What we deniers believe is that a 1-degree change is not worth destroying First World economies over. And ManBearPig will never convince me of the crisis until he scales down the lux carbon lifestyle himself.

7 #5  Adriane   Don't use good lead that we need for shot.  Use slag instead.

8 Bring out the COMFY CHAIR!

9 "We were lying earilier about throwing away data, or even pushing an agenda, BUT NOW we are telling the truth about not throwing away any more data that would make us look like even bigger idiots than we already do." IPCC spokesperson

10 Actually, I don't think Crook is defending them in the first quote. It looks like he's saying he's been dealing with this "cabal" (not a term or endearment or respect) and has been getting the run around. He seems to be saying everyone is now learning what he's been seeing from these idiots for years.

Now, why he didn't blow the whistle sooner is a different story but I don't think he blaming the skeptics in that quote.

11 Thank god for coders and their comments.

If not for those ;----------------- lines in the code, this whole scandal would be a "just kidding, old bloke, we scientists often do such tom-foolery such as saying 'hide the decline' and doing 'tricks' ... you wouldn't understand."

But line after line of  truth prefaced with a semi-colon is irrefutable.

in the scientific sense of the word. 

.

12 DrewM, Thanks... Hm, okay. I will add that.

13 Megan Mcardle's post last week was more loathsome than this one. At least this writer feigns some outrage. Mcardle's argument boiled down to "So what?"

14 This reminds me of the line from Ghost Busters.  "Dr. Venkman, you are a poor scientist.  Your work is the worst sort of rubbish." ( To paraphrase ).  "But the kids love us!".

15

"We are just unpassionate interpreters of facts."  "We are just objectively trying to present the facts."  "We don't care what the facts are, we just want the facts."  IPCC spokesperson

LIARS, GREEDY, PEOPLE HATERS

 

16 "Statistically speaking, the average person has one testicle and one breast."

I'm finally average!

17 Sorry,  Zombie John Lennon did not say that.  I said that.

18 Next thing the lib's are going to say is that the info lifted from that computer was bait for a trap. And sure enough, some dummy took the bait.  Now all we have to do is find the person and make sure that they get a hundred year, no parole sentence.

19 I prefer to call the believers Global Warming Fraud Deniers.

20 @12: Thank god for coders and their comments.

If not for those ;----------------- lines in the code, this whole scandal would be a "just kidding, old bloke, we scientists often do such tom-foolery such as saying 'hide the decline' and doing 'tricks' ... you wouldn't understand."

So... the lesson here is that I should stop commenting my code?

21 @22 Unprecedented Anachronda

So... the lesson here is that I should stop commenting my code?

WTF?  You had to wait for a memo?

Never document anything.  Once you do, people expect it to work the same way every time.

22 I just sent off for legal review a series of FOIA requests to every US Government agency at the other end of the CRU emails for the emails I know exist and the related responses, forwards, BCC, etc. I really want to see who is on the copy line of those destroy the evidence and hide the money email. While Jones, Mann, and Hansen may be true believers -- I bet some of the little fish are not willing to go get real jobs.

23 >>>Megan Mcardle's post last week was more loathsome than this one. At least this writer feigns some outrage. Mcardle's argument boiled down to "So what?" Right, and I think you have to look at psychology to explain that. She had two choices: Go out on a limb and alienate the cool, with it, hip group she aspires to be a part of, and also in doing so do some psychic damage to her sense of self as she strips away part of her own ego (the "pro-science" part her), or just continue the denial. She chose denial. After choosing full-on denial, she now chooses modified limited hang-out denial. I'm sure you all know what lengths people will go to, psychologically, to convince themselves, as Stuart Smalley said, they're smart, good, and gosh-darnit, people like me.

24 I manlove this rant.  Gets right to the heart of the branding procedure that characterizes liberal discourse.

25 Heh. Erg showed up in the previous thread and is frantically spinning like crazy, spewing lefty boilerplate, but no actual refutations of the evidence.

He's got nothing, and he knows it.

26 Folks-
I have what I suspect is an unusual perspective.  I am a career scientist, although not a climate scientist.  I don't buy global warming, and reject the notion that it is proven, or that we should spend lots of money "fixing" it, certainly not unless the science is a lot more solid than it is now.  OTOH, my brother in law is an internationally known atmospheric chemist, a dyed in the wool liberal, and, at times, a real prick about global warming and those who don't accept it.  It would be easy for me to simply dismiss him, but the fact is that he is a very good scientist, has his own research to back up what he says, and is not the kind to propagate a fraud.  I suppose my point is that while the people from HadCRU are charlatans and frauds, it is too easy to dismiss all of the AGW concerns on the basis of this incident.  Again, I am convinced that AGW is false, but there are a lot of very reputable scientists who can and do sincerely argue otherwise.   We do our cause a disservice if we simply dismiss AGW because we don't like the messengers.  That is what the Jones of the world do.   There are plenty of facts on which to base our skepticism.

27 All I would add Ace is that what may happen here is similar to how people, who voted for Obama, will eventually leave him. They won't admit their wrong but they will claim they've been deceived. The scientists here may go the same route. It's an argument you've made before and, I think, transferable to this situation.

28 16 This reminds me of the line from Ghost Busters.  "Dr. Venkman, you are a poor scientist.  Your work is the worst sort of rubbish." ( To paraphrase ).  "But the kids love us!".

Another good one that relates to the AGW hucksters

"Back off man, I'm a scientist!"

29 She had two choices: Go out on a limb and alienate the cool, with it, hip group she aspires to be a part of...

That affectation is definitely the weakest part of being a libertarian I guess.

30 Nice one, bro!

31 And no, I haven't talked about the latest brouhaha with him.  I wanted to have a peaceful TGiving.

32 Dude, the science is settled.

33 All I would add Ace is that what may happen here is similar to how people, who voted for Obama, ...

Which describes Mcardle to a T. She voted for him and claims to be interested in free markets.

34 There's no possible doubts anymore.

35 pep, as long as your brother-in-law doesn't try and make me swallow the "science is settled" line of crap - I would be willing to listen. But, there is a lot of smoke here well outside of the core science. Anyone of these ethical or procedural issues would have doomed a project with less political push behind it.

36 Like you might expect from my name, I'm a member of the pointy-headed tribe.  So, I'm fairly well acquainted with the peer-review process.  Since my field (financial economics) works with data that's often "messy" (i.e. in need of some form of statistical modification),  we tend to get pretty competent in statisitics (and the related field called "econometrics).   I'd be sturprised if the authors are much to speak of as stat jockeys.  If they were, they wouldn;t have hidden their data.

In my field, most papers in good journals are presented multiple times and then put out there in an online forum (SSRN) well before they appear in a journal.   So a paper gets a lot of going over before it gets published in ay journal that's worthwhile.   I've published in "good" journals, and also some crappy ones.  And I've also done my share of reviewing.  So, while I'm clearly a small fry, I'm aware of how it's done at least in my corner of the academic world.

I'd have to say that the peer review process in my discipline is generally fair - I've gotten far more rejections from journals than acceptances, but that's generally the case (the typical rejection rate is between 80 and 95% at the top journals).   I never felt like a paper got rejected because it was "heretical".  In most cases, it was because the results simply weren't strong enough.   In most cases, a reviewer at a good journal will pick apart every facet of the paper - from the basic story to the data collection to the statistical methods used.  In particular, most reviewers put a lot of stock in what we call "robustness tests" - making sure that the authors haven't picked the one methodology that gives us the results they want to see. 

 I've done my fair share of reviewing too. I've done enough statistical work that I can usually spot when someone's played foul with the data.   So if a paper gets past me, I'm reasonably certain that their data says what they say.  If not, I ask for the above mentioned "robustness" tests.

I haven't read the climate studies that caused all the furor.   But most serious researchers wouldn't act the way these clowns have.  The simplest way to allay critics' fears would be to show the data.  Since they haven't, a lot of people will cry Bozo on them.   In fact, there seem to be enough critics of the "settled science" of global warming that I don't think this will be allowed to blow over.  At least I hope not.

And once the data is revealed (which I doubt will happen), I may read their papers, break out my trusty statistical software packages and take a crack at their data.   My sense is that these people aren't that strong in statistics.  At the very least, picking their work apart will provide some exercises for my grad students. 

37 Regardless of Crook's thinking, it's undeniable that in some circles if you say you don't believe in AGW you will be treated somewhere between a leper and a mentally retarded child.

I was on a date one time and the woman I was out with asked me if I believed in Global Warming. I told her that first "belief" didn't play a part in it, facts mattered. Second, yes there was a warming period but it ended about 10 years ago. And third and most importantly, there's zero, zip, none when it comes to proof linking that warming phase to anything man did.

That was the end of that.

38 I manlove this rant.  Gets right to the heart of the branding procedure that characterizes liberal discourse.


When it comes to these AGW hoaxers, I'm all for branding....Texas-style.

39 pep, as long as your brother-in-law doesn't try and make me swallow the "science is settled" line of crap - I would be willing to listen. But, there is a lot of smoke here well outside of the core science. Anyone of these ethical or procedural issues would have doomed a project with less political push behind it.

Agreed.

40
So a man, a dog and a watermelon walked into a bar . . .

41 Another good one that relates to the AGW hucksters

"Back off man, I'm a scientist!"

Another one, which applies to erg:

"Yes, it's true. This man has no dick."

42

"The stink of intellectual corruption is overpowering"

I would have used the word "stench."  It paints a much stinkier picture.

43 We're going to run out of food by 1985.  It's a scientific fact.

44

"Can they just convince themselves that, but for a few 'Rogue Operatives,' the 'science is settled'?"

Human beings can convince themselves of anything if that's what they need to do to get through the day.  Human beings can convince themselves of two or more diametrically opposed things at once, or six impossible things before breakfast, if they have to do so to maintain their perfect image of themselves.

45

In the last election, more people wanted to be Obama -- fun, loose, hip, cool, cosmopolitan -- than John McCain

Leftists are in a perpetual state of arrested development. It is the ideology of emotional children.

Strangely enough, I never went through a liberal phase. Not even as a teen.

I always thought people on the left were fucked in the head because they spent every day telling me that things I could see with my own eyes weren't true.

Speaking of the gang you want to run with ... I never wanted to align myself with people who had to lie in order to advance their cause.

 

 

46 I was on a date one time and the woman I was out with asked me if I believed in Global Warming.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 30, 2009 07:46 PM (FCWQb)

That wasn't a woman.  That was a brainless blow-up doll.  (By which I mean to insult her lack of thought, not your taste in toys.)

47

This is partly why I get on some commenters for their casual use of nasty racial put downs. Not only do such comments offend me, but those making them make for poor ambassadors for conservatism

Oh, ace...you were doing so well, and then...this. I'm afraid I'll have to dock you five points. When I post here, I am not -- explicitly or imlicitly -- doing so as an ambassador for conservatism or any other creed or ideology. I have no control over what other people allow themselves to be offended by, and I refuse to censor myself according to what other people might think of it.*

However, I always post knowing that I am, in a figurative sense, a guest in your house. I may not agree with everything you say, but I do agree that you have the final word in etiquette: you are free to boot me or anyone else if we offend you. You make the rules in your house, not me. Mere politeness dictates the limits on my speech here, not some abstract sense of fealty to an ideology or creed.

I probably am making too much of what you're saying -- in practice, you have shown far more forbearance to the idiots and trolls than I would have. But I hope you understand my motives for speaking as I do. I don't opine to advance some greater conservative agenda -- I simply speak my mind. You are free to find it offensive, and drop the ban-hammer; and I would accept it as just desserts from the master of the house. But please let us not cast it in terms of racism or deviation from conservative orthodoxy; I find that kind of thing very obnoxious.

*"Shit on them people", in the argot of my ancestral folk.

 

48
It's funny how the Warmists are now trotting out the old 'yeah, but George Bush suppressed and/or eliminated warming data from government reports' argument to justify the UEA's hiding of data.

So, as usual, the Left goes to their old standby of 3 Stages of Spin, (say it with me, now):

1) s/he didn't do it
2) even if s/he did it, so what?
3) Republicans do it, too

At first the emails were fakes (stage 1). Then they were taken out of context and no biggie (stage 2). Now were at the final stage were they admit to the scandal but equivocate to silence the critics.

What's next? Why Jones and Mann will claim they've received death threats, of course.

49

I got into a great argument with my libtard sister from LA over Thanksgiving dinner. It started over AGW...and about how we on the right are anti-science since the issue was settled. Of course, she simply ignored anything that was said to refute that and just kept repeating that same mantra.

Then it moved on to stem cell research...and how Bush outlawed all research into it. (I have to state here that she actually has a college degree..it's in the arts, but it's still a college degree).

Yes...Bush outlawed stem cell research. I had to explain that what he did was to stop federal funding for new embryonic stem cell lines. Apparently, that was the problem since all the therapies and treatments came from those particular types of stem cells...and government scientists made all the discoveries. She again pretended that I had facts to rebut her stupidity.

At that point it dawned on me that nothing...absolutely nothing ...was going to penetrate that force field of libtard ideology. The thing is..she really is not a stupid person. She is just so indoctrinated in the leftist group think...and the acceptance that it brings in her Silver Lake neighborhood, that that nothing short of a bat to the head will get her attention.

50 En Fuego!

51 Why did the watermelon cross the road?

52 Actually, McArdle "supported" Obama but did not actually vote for him - apparently libertarians are too incompetent to properly register to vote.  I do read her blog and comment on it quite a bit, and I think Megan is a nice person and an ok writer, but this whole libertarian (or glibertarian) thing is a bit of a joke.  Ok, she's not a hard-lefty like Sullivan or Coates, but she's basically a liberal - she's with the Dems on all the big points, and supported a socialist over a RINO.  I assume she calls herself a libertarian to make the "Voices" roster at the Atlantic look a little more diverse.

53

 

Shoulda been..."She again pretended that I had  NO facts to rebut her stupidity".

54 Another good one that relates to the AGW hucksters



Ghostbusters quotes! (runs to IMDB)

Personally, I liked the university. They gave us money and facilities, we didn't have to produce anything! You've never been out of college! You don't know what it's like out there! I've *worked* in the private sector. They expect *results*.

55 DrewM dating a woman. Now that needs to be peer-reviewed.

56

I was on a date one time and the woman I was out with asked me if I believed in Global Warming. I told her that first "belief" didn't play a part in it, facts mattered. Second, yes there was a warming period but it ended about 10 years ago. And third and most importantly, there's zero, zip, none when it comes to proof linking that warming phase to anything man did.

That was the end of that.

Not even a bj?? You didn't buy her dinner,did you?

57 trying to get a good POTUS out of office for having oral sex is just plain idiotic
trying to redo the global economy with made up science is criminal

58 Agreed, the psychology of the now-refuted alarmists is fascinating.
I'm hoping (probably in vain) for a "Mr. Smith Goes to Copenhagen" moment next week. Maybe Nick Griffin or someone else dramatically taking the floor and just laying it all out for the world to see. I know an honest man stands no chance in the UN, but if a sizable minority can come away from there deadset on doing the science all over again, and getting it right, that would be great.

59 thanks PJ, Black Yoshi. It came out a bit incoherent because I was writing fast but you get the drift.

60 The scientists are settled.

61 Awesome post. Hope you don't mind if I Facebook it.

62 The next step, psychologically, is to limit the damage and to claim that these are just a "few bad apples."

Yes, but the beauty of this cabal is that the number of influential members has been intentional kept small.  Throw three or four under the bus and there's no one left to support this edifice of corrupt politicized science.

63 >>>But I hope you understand my motives for speaking as I do. I don't opine to advance some greater conservative agenda -- I simply speak my mind. I get that. I hope you also get that watermelon jokes are still funny to 0.02% of the population and either ignorant or offensive or both to most, so: Kind of like a good child-rape joke, isn't it?

64

All of you AoSHQ'ers with science or engineering degrees (BS (or BA), MS(or MA), PhD, or MD) might consider signing the Global Warming petition and mailing it to the address provided at:  
http://tinyurl.com/yfu9rwa

I mailed mine today.

65 Kind of like a good child-rape joke, isn't it?

Didn't we have a whole thread of pedophile jokes once?  Or am I confusing this with Wizbang from the old days.

66 Drew must have known he wasn't getting laid anyway.

67 Personally, if I'm anywhere near closing (or laying the groundwork for closing next time), and a girl asks me about global warming, I say go with a noncommittal "I trust the science."

68 And since when is (all) science completely settled...Please correct me if I'm wrong (I' completely retarded in this area), but aren't theories being constantly tested? Especially when it comes to something relatively new as the Global Warming hoax. Is science settled about the H1N1 vaccine? Is it completely safe? I know some things have been scientfically settled, but...

69 I trust the science. Unstated asterisk.

70 I blame all my sexual dating failures on climate change.

71 X:Y threads are awesome. Global Warming: The shark from Jaws Hacked Emails: The scuba tank from Jaws

72

O/T:  Ace, how about calling the ONT "The Open Bar" from now on?  And instead of "New Comments Thingy," how about "The Woodchipper"? 

73 Good grief, erg is a knucklehead.  Now to watch the Saints (inshallah) beat Belicheat.

74 When I can't get it up, it's usually due to my fearlessness and honesty in expressing skepticism about global warming.

75 Ace, my comments are few, but this is one of the most honest and important posts in this blog's history. Fuck all that disagree.

76

&78

that's what all the (liberal) boys say.

77 Global Warming : DrewM's love life

Hacked e-mails : His "Game"

78 number 72, you are correct, there is no such thing as "settled science". Theories on all topics are constantly being modified to allow for new evidence. At least that is the way it is supposed to work. People who shout "settled science" are fools.

79
So, what are you saying, Ace, I'm not welcome here?

80 Drew must have known he wasn't getting laid anyway.

The boob size to stupidity* ratio simply went beyond my tolerance.





*Not regular stupidity but the aggressive stupidity of someone who thinks they are the smartest person in the room when they are actually high functioning retards.

81 DrewM, I think your diligence sexy.

82 80 that's what all the (liberal) boys say.

Hush. Real liberals bottom.

83 Global Warming: Drew's timid dick Hacked Emails: Drew's menacing right hand

84 Global Warming: No Republican votes in committee to bring Heathcare to a vote
Hacked e-mails: History

85 Personally, if I'm anywhere near closing (or laying the groundwork for closing next time), and a girl asks me about global warming, I say go with a noncommittal "I trust the science."

Always be closing Ace. Always.

86 *Not regular stupidity but the aggressive stupidity of someone who thinks they are the smartest person in the room when they are actually high functioning retards.

Ah, the kind of stupidity that one fears might actually be contagious.

Run Forrest! Run!

87 OT:

Whichever genius programmer invents a FRIKKIN STOP BUTTON for YouTube, Hulu, Liveleak, etc. stands to make millions, because that person will be a FRIKKIN PIONEER.  Not a pause button which will do nothing to stop the  "valuable" (SO WE ARE TOLD) bandwidth from being used to load the ENTIRE FRIKKIN VID, but a REAL LIVE STOP BUTTON, like the one I had on my Radio Shack cassette player back in 1979.  Whoever invents this PIONEERING PIECE OF GENIUS TECHNOLOGY should be given KINGSHIP.

WHY IS THE WHOLE WORLD RETARDED?

Am I really the first moron to discover this idocy?

88 >>>DrewM, I think your diligence sexy. On the internet, every guy can beat you up, and every girl might be willing to throw you a mercy boning.

89 Global Warming: Charlie Weis
Hacked e-mails: 16-21 record the last 3 seasons that turned up in the hacked e-mails

90 Crystal, "I know some things have been scientfically settled, but" ... -- nothing is settled, not even gravity

91 Hacked Emails: Drew's menacing right hand

So instead of drawing Senor Wences face on his hand he drew Dick Cheney's?

92
Global Warming: Steve Miller

Hacked e-mails: Abracadabra

93 @92 Anonimity allows every girl to let her inner ho loose. Woo-hoo!!

94 I think gravity's pretty settled. You can only take that "every theory can be overturned tomorrow" so far before you sound less scientific than sophistic.

95 Global Warming: Drew's chances of getting laid Hacked Emails: Global Warming

96

(And, fyi, for the young: Our girls put out more in college, in case that matters to ya. Wink.)

We did get more cooter back then.  Course, I was a bit more svelte.

97 Global Warming: Tiger Woods

98

Jean @ 94,

See? Told you I'm scientifically retared

99

The Science is scuttled, scuttled, I tells ya!

100 Hacked Emails:  Mrs. Woods

101 thank god we're talking about someone ELSE not getting laid for once. Oh god I am so happy to throw drew to the crowd. Like a bullied kid who detects some new, fresh weak meat to throw to the wolves.

102 98 I think gravity's pretty settled.

Jean may be referring to Einstein.

103 McArdle's Climategate post was so retarded as to leave me doubting whether Andrew Sullivan was still the biggest fuckwit on the Atlantic's payroll. She kept referring to the EA-CRUT as their "model." Um, Megan? This word "model" you keep using? I don't think you know what this word means.

A statistical model works like this:

y = f(x, b, e)

where y is a vector of some outcome variable of interest (getting a blowjob on Saturday night, etc.); x is vector of observed predictor variables (money spent on drinks, IQ of the girl, etc.);  b is a vector of parameters, e is error, f is the functional specification of the model. The goal of statistical estimation is to find the value of the b's that minimize the error of the model, when compared against observed data (x and y). If our model fits well against our historic weekend data, then we can happily simulate/forecast the blowjob-optimizing values of alcohol and chick IQ.

In the case of the Great IPCC Climate Swindle, y is the historic record of global temperatures, and the x variables are historic CO2 levels and/or a linear time indicator. Except they aren't, and that's there's the big problem. y is not really "global temperature," it's a set of numbers that the EA-CRU has labeled "global temperature." In their own words "the <i>homogenized value added data.</i>" Or as we say on the street, "shit we made up."

Where are the raw temperature data on which those data are supposedly based? "Ummmmmmmm..... we accidentally erased them." Well okay then, what transforms, fourier filters, wavelets aggregations, etc did you apply to the raw data to arrive at the homogenized series? "We lost the code."

Jesus H. Christ on hockey stick.

104 Ace, I pretty much agree with you.  One of the things the GW people were smart about was getting Hollywood to sign on.  Then all of their fans followed blindly, wanting to be cool.

I do think that the emails to Shell Oil open an avenue to allow people to pull away from GW.  So many of them have been indoctrinated into the "evil Big Oil" concept, that surely seeing these guys curry favor with Shell might cause them to question the whole thing.

Either that or they will have one of those melt-downs like the computers on Star Trek did when Spock would present them with two mutually exclusive theories.

105 Global Warming:  Horny Teenage Boy

Hacked Emails: Girlfriend's father's Shotgun

106

I see. His first impression was, he just figured it was boys being boys. Just some real-life scientists on the job. A worldly cosmopolitan gent such as himself knows how it is.

Jesus Christ.

Does this Mr. Crook have any scientific background at all? On his brief CV he lists Oxford, London School of Economics, and then a long career of having opinions about things. 

 

107 91 OT:

Whichever genius programmer invents a FRIKKIN STOP BUTTON for YouTube, Hulu, Liveleak, etc. stands to make millions,

OOT: Is it too much to ask that they put a footstool at the end of the airport security line?

I, too, often conjecture that I am the smartest person in the world.

108 plain statistical incompetence

But it is infallible when predicting the Jones...

109 I always had a soft spot for the picked-on kid.

110
Hacked e-mails: Landing Party


Global Warming: Red Shirt

111 >>>>Jean may be referring to Einstein. I think she's referring to the idea that in science everything is open to question, nothing is settled, and any theory can be scuttled in a moment given contrary evidence. Which is true, but.... you know. At some point. Gravity? Exists. Other stuff like whether it's a particle or a force of a bending of spacetime and all that stuff is obviouslys still an open question.

112 Ace, there gravity anomalies that no current Theory can explain.

113 Global Warming:  Four hour erection

Hacked Emails: Helen Thomas

114
Global Warming: Ben Affleck's career

Hacked e-mails: Gigli

115 Guyyyyyyssssss...knock it offffffff

116

Jean:

Great idea and good luck on your FOIA requests noted in #24 above.

117

Ace, there gravity anomalies that no current Theory can explain.

No shit and its killing my property value! WTF?

118 A globeral warming scientist is one who purposely avows that he knows one hell of a lot about very damn little real data.

119 118 Ace, there gravity anomalies that no current Theory can explain.

Posted by: Jean at November 30, 2009 08:26 PM (6Njk9)

I always thought the theory was, "They're fake."

120 Actually I was testing Drew's intelligence. A guy who doesn't know enough to lie to a woman... well, let's just say we don't need to be propagating such weak genes.

121 Ace, there gravity anomalies that no current Theory can explain.

Bush's fault.  Duh.

122 The more science I studied, the closer we got to Einstein and the further away from Newton we moved.

123 I always had a soft spot for the picked-on kid.
Posted by: crystal at November 30, 2009 08:25 PM (KVSUW)

Have I mentioned that Dave in Texas is really mean to me?

124 Cool match-up, but I won't be watching, given that I've already won this week in my FF league. 

That is, unless Drew Brees throws 3 straight interceptions in the 1st quarter (not such a statisical impossibility as one might think) and then a bulldozer falls on him.

125
Global warming: Porta-Potty

Hacked e-mails: No toilet paper

126
Global Warming: Random Central American guerrillas in Predator

Hacked e-mails: Painless

127 AmishDude, some of the early ones were due to differences in instrumentation (space, airborne, etc.) and collection methods -- but there are still some things that make no sense.

128

she now chooses modified limited hang-out denial.

She should have gone with super-modified pro-stock full anti-denial with a half-gainer.

129 AmishDude,

I'm just sayin.  Wouldn't the Super-Ultra-High-Tech invention of a Stop Button for flash vids decrease the load on the internets by 75% or more?

But that would make sense.  And the days of things making sense, alas, are gone.

130 Oops, wrong thread, hehe.

It's not a good idea to try to post and surf the web for pron at the same time.

131 Well, for the Very First Time this year, Santa Clause - I mean, freaking Santa Clause, had to wish the crowds at the Macy's Day Parade "Happy Thanksgiving!" instead of, "Ho! Ho! Ho! Merry Christmas!" I suppose next year it will be, "Happy Global Warming Everybody!"???

132 Jean, I get that gravity is one of physics' biggest puzzles. For such a common force, we really have no idea how it works. (Meanwhile, we know more about stuff like the strong and weak nuclear forces and of course electricity... the oldest force - the one man has known about the longest -- is the most mysterious.) I thought you meant the old saw that, say, what we do know about gravity could be overturned tomorrow IF gravity suddenly began behaving differently. THe latter is true, of course, but is so unlikely as to not be worth mentioning.

133 Look, discussing global warming with a blow-up doll is not a date and "failure" shouldn't be an option.

134 I think Ace used up all of his carbon credits composing this post. Having said that, a very insightful analysis.

135

#118

Not to be a complete geek, but I would really like to know more about that.

136 Drew, quick, find out something important to Crystal and tell her you not only don't believe in it, but you want to shit on the head of anyone who does.

137 Global Warming: Magic Johnson

Hacked Emails: buttsecks

138
Global Warming: Pigeon flying in front of home plate

Hacked e-mails: Randy Johnson fastball

139

Fucking awesome, Ace, and larger than these damned hucksters--particularly here:

 

"Politics, it has to be kept in mind, is mostly emotional and mostly aspirational. Who we choose as heroes and who we choose as models says, we hope, something about us. We signal to others what kind of people we are (or what kind of people we'd like to imagine we are) by the sort of person we choose to emulate and offer respect to."

Spot on, and the only explanation other than the devil's hand why people read pap like People and watch Oprah specials. I'll jump off a bridge now because there is no hope but lots of bridges.

140

Have I mentioned that Dave in Texas is really mean to me?
Posted by: DrewM. at November 30, 2009 08:30 PM (FCWQb

You poor,poor thing. *nestles DrewM.'s head between bosoms*

141 Global Warming: The hope Crystal holds out for Drew Hacked Emails: Crystal is a bot created by the Lace Wigs Marketing division

142 Global Warming :Jimbo's posting skillz

Hacked emails : Jimbo's posts

143 Thanks, awe.

144
Global Warming: Bambi

Hacked e-mails: Godzilla

145

and every girl might be willing to throw you a mercy boning.

HAH!  That's a good one.  Yeah, um

Is that true?

146 133 AmishDude, some of the early ones were due to differences in instrumentation (space, airborne, etc.) and collection methods -- but there are still some things that make no sense.

Posted by: Jean at November 30, 2009 08:32 PM (QFzyw)

It's just that in circumstances in which gravity's effects should have manifested themselves, I see objects that seem to defy gravity.

They seem larger than they should be, however, and sometimes there's a vein showing.

So my theory is: They must be fake.

147

Hmm...in the quoted article, I don't like the words " plain statistical incompetence" because it implies that this wasn't deliberate, that there was some kind of sloppy reporting that made these folks come to the wrong conclusions.  It was deliberate, pure and simple.

148 I for one am glad I finally understand the official rules for commenting. Thanks for explaining them to me. The rest of your post was outstanding. Except of course for the words prickface, fuckhead, black and white. They don't offend me, but they might offend someone, someplace, and what about the children who might read some of this?

149 This is partly why I get on some commenters for their casual use of nasty racial put downs. Not only do such comments offend me, but those making them make for poor ambassadors for conservatism: Note that every time you do this, there's some reader out there thinking These are not the sorts of people I wish to be around, or to count as my political brethren. I'd rather be part of the team that doesn't think watermelon jokes are all the rage

All the time I am confronted with conservatives whom make jokes in this manner as some form of harmless fun; as if being completely oblivious to the issue of racial relations is some sort of halmark of a "true" conservative, one that flies in the face of all forms of political correctness. I try to tell them, pretend you are addressing the apathetic, squishy, middle, whom have never educated themselves on political philosophy enough to know that a war of ideology is ongoing and is culminating in this country between the collectivists and individualists. They know not that there is really no middle ground, no fence to walk between the two ideals, no happy medium that makes some sort of sense. Soon, as the polarization reaches critical levels, they will realize, and they will have to make a choice, or admit to themselves that they are turning a blind eye to mankind's future. We then try to convince them of the high mindedness of conservative beliefs about the potential of society as realized through the free individual by telling worn out less than funny jokes whose common element is fixation on the melanin content of the Presidents skin; the best response they could ever merit is a nervous, awkward, courtesy chuckle. While also resulting in permanent alienation of potential allies.

150
Global Warming: The guy standing between the Senate floor and a cable news reporter broadcasting live.

Hacked e-mails: Chuck Schumer

151 Must also chime in to agree with Ace re the "bedfellows" issue. The Climategate scandal is real, and huge. But it is unfortunately becoming a hobby horse for some opportunistic anti-science luddites and conspiracy kooks like Alex Jones.

152 Ok, Ace I didn't catch that. Daisy - best place to start looking are topics (or google terms) like gravitational navigation, plate tectonics, submarine finding, etc. It is a niche business. I'm not sure what would be a good open source starting point. I believe it is also an issue in oil/gas exploration.

153 I'm real!! I followed a link from Gateway Pundit about a week ago!!

154 Global Warming : The New York Football Giants

Hacked emails : Their opponents game plan

Heading to a bar. See ya'll. If I don't get a bj : global warming.

155
Hacked Emails: Crystal is a bot created by the Lace Wigs Marketing division

Posted by: ace at November 30, 2009 08:36 PM (jlvw3)

Global Warming: Crystal is a bot created by the Lace Wigs Marketing division

Hacked e-mails: Drew walks in on jason and laptop-battery guy banging his date.

156 Crystal is a bot created by the Lace Wigs Marketing division

Hey, those guys are geniuses. If anyone ever perfects the FemBot (sex and samiches), I bet it's them.

157

Welcome, Ace. Off to that bridge now. But one last point: and The Daily Beast. It is the same instinct that drives the herd there as well.

 

 

158 I'm real!!
Posted by: crystal at November 30, 2009 08:40 PM (KVSUW)

And spectacular!

159 Global Warming: 52-year-old about to score some fresh preteen ass

Hacked E-Mails: Chris Hansen

160 Why Laptop-battery is my hero:

41 I think the government ought to publish some politics about the working people,but it is not useful for the pledge of the rich.

Posted by: Laptop-battery at November 28, 2009 05:12 AM (1Z0Al)

161 159 I'm real!! I followed a link from Gateway Pundit about a week ago!!

Posted by: crystal at November 30, 2009 08:40 PM (KVSUW)

How you doin'?

162 I believe that global warming is whatever you need it to be, baby.

163 Global Warming: Cyber flirting with women at AoS
Hacked Emails: Your wife reading through a comment page you left open.

164 Is this anything like discovering the person you were told was a Professor of Law was actually only a guest lecturer on Alinsky and The Cloward-Pivin Strategies?

165 It's all good, baby.

166 Something needs to happen to Alex Jones before our good friends in the MSM pick up that he's jumped on the climategate band wagon.

167 Global Warming: Your self image as a super cool AoS commenter
Hacked Emails: Your wife finding out you post by the handle "Warden"

168 I can make you experience global warming.

In your pants.

169

Mike the Moose,

I was a democrat in college, and starting leaning more to the right after I left school. You're pretty much right, although all black people aren't thin skinned. Especially black conservatives. I have experienced more racism from the left in the last ten months, than in my entire 31 years. You are also right about perception. I pass along links to family members and friends, hoping that they'll give truth a chance. It's extremely hard to cut through years of effective liberal brainwashin and victimization. Couple that with the very real fact of slavery, segregation, etc.

I remember in middle school that we had to watch "Eye on the Prize" every year in February. Great. I needed to know my history. the price that was paid by those before me, so that I could have an equal shot. But what was conviently left of the lesson plan was redeemption. The teachers dweeled on the oppression, and not of the perserverance. The balcks that marched in the  streets in that era sttod for something. My granmother would cra in her pants, if she were alive to see what our culture has come to.

170 ace, who is cooler than both drew and amish and also has a really cool blog

Ace, you have a really cool blog? What's the url of that blog?

171 34 Dude, the science is settled.

Posted by: Jean-Baptiste Lamarck at November 30, 2009 07:44 PM (QKKT0)

Yeah, at the bottom of a dumpster. 

Ok fine, I stole my joke from treacher... haven't you guys figured out I steal most of my jokes?   That's why the ones I'm proud of aren't the good ones (they're just the original ones).

172 Ace, you have a really cool blog? What's the url?

I think he's talking about the ghost site.

173 Uh.  Gravity, Ace?  Might wanna go with something more settled.  We have no idea how it's transmitted.  No one has ever found a gravity wave.  And if there are gravity waves, they might be waves in the fabric of spacetime itself, since gravity is the result of massive bodies warping spacetime.

When you wanna talk about nice, settled, non-controversial science, maybe stay away from modern physics.  It's kooky beyond belief.

But here's a serious question.  And let me admit I know precious little about the field of climate science.  Have climate scientists ever made a prediction that held up?  Not trying to be snarky, I really don't know.  You'd think they'd have to make a few before being taken seriously.  I know that hurricane one didn't work out.  And the inevitable, unstoppable, uninterruptible rise of temperature with CO2 concentration didn't work out.

174 Global Warming:  Male Morons' Sexual Bravado

Hacked Emails:  Reality

175 It's not the size of your blog.

It's how you use it.

176 Ok fine, I stole my joke from treacher...

Global Warming: Gekkobear's ability to bring teh funnay.
Hacked Emails: People who don't "do" courtesy laughs.

177 jumped on the climategate band wagon?

Christ. That guy's been screaming this from the rooftops for at least a decade.
Now he looks like a hero.

178
Global Warming: The daily Ace double-post.

Hacked e-mails: Morons who fight over being the first to comment "Ace doesn't read his own blog".

179 Olbermann just said we should leave Afghanistan.

Remember when the left said that was the good war and the one who had to win.

Oh and he just said the military wants the war to last forever because that's why they get paid.

Wow. Just wow.

180 I get that gravity is one of physics' biggest puzzles. For such a common force, we really have no idea how it works. ........

Posted by: ace at November 30, 2009 08:32 PM (jlvw3)

There is no gravity. The earth sucks.

181 FUBAR, I like math.  Metaphysical certainty.  You have to prove your results or nothing.  No using the real world as a crutch.  I've decided not to pay attention to physics until they get it right.

182 Someone tell Crystal, "no worries."

"No worries" is way cooler than "it's all good, baby". Seriously, I almost got laid once saying it.

183 Ace? Never heard of him.

184 Charles called.  He said you're all "deniers" and teh golbaal wamring monster will eet u.

185 Hahahaha

Liberal is an anagram of braille. Appropriate because they appear unable to see or read about the climate science scandals.—Tim Ball

186
Olbermann just said we should leave Afghanistan.

Remember when the left said that was the good war and the one who had to win.

Oh and he just said the military wants the war to last forever because that's why they get paid.

Wow. Just wow.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 30, 2009 08:54 PM (FCWQb)

He didn't jump the shark,....he just jumped the Snake River Canyon.

187 Olbermann just said we should leave Afghanistan.

Oh and he just said the military wants the war to last forever because that's why they get paid.

Wow. Just wow.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 30, 2009 08:54 PM (FCWQb)

LGoPs just said that Olbermann should leave the fucking planet.

Oh, and he just says these things because that's how he gets paid.

Olbermann is a Fuckstick.

188 186 Olbermann just said we should leave Afghanistan.

Remember when the left said that was the good war and the one who had to win.

Oh and he just said the military wants the war to last forever because that's why they get paid.

Wow. Just wow.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 30, 2009 08:54 PM (FCWQb)

Olbermann?  Inconsistent?  Elitist?  Stupid?  The devil you say!

Drew, does Ace pay you crazy blog hazard pay to watch MSNBC?

189 So, I'm guessing Olbermann isn't doing any USO stops anytime soon.

190 I don't agree with much of what he says but Michael Savage is right on this one. Liberalism is a mental disorder.

191 keith olberman will be the first motherfucker lined up against the wall.

192 170 Global Warming: Cyber flirting with women at AoS
Hacked Emails: Your wife reading through a comment page you left open.

Posted by: Warden at November 30, 2009 08:47 PM (YZac3)

Lolz!!!!

And yet, sad at the same time.

193 Both of Olbermann's viewers are outraged.

194

Global warming: A $5 gift card to Chucky Cheese.

Hacked emails: A pony. That shits gold. And is nervous.

195
Global Warming: Randi Rhoads

Hacked e-mails: Vodka and a Manhattan sidewalk

196 So Amish, what do you think of empty space having mass and compression?

197 Global Warming: Maureen Dowd's love life
Hacked emails: Catherine Zeta-Jones

198

Keith was just giving the Kos Kids a blumpkin

199

I wrote Obama an open letter on my blog saying enough is enough! We love you, widdle Twinkums but if you don't get our mean Mr. McShooty Pants guys out of Afghanistan, we'll have a tantrum and then we'll say "or Else!"

Actually, I didn't type it out on a keyboard. I wrote it in Easy Cheese on a 300 lb yellow fin tuna, took a shot with my CoolPix camera, e-mailed it to my leather-whip boy and then he typed it up for my blog. Then I made sweet, sweet love to the Easy Cheese covered tuna.

You didn't think I was going to eat it, did you? Gross!

200

@188

Really? I mean, your brain...really?

201 Global warimg : the fun, flirty, boozy girl you talk and dance with all night Hacked emails : the mother hen at last call

202 203 So Amish, what do you think of empty space having mass and compression?

Posted by: Mr Wizard at November 30, 2009 09:01 PM (+CLh/)

There is no such thing as empty space.

Except between the ears of a sociology professor.

203 Global Warming: Getting an super-sexy Playboy Bunny tattoo just above your  left breast
Hacked emails: Your grandson asking you about it 45 years from now.

204 randi rhodes WOULD be the 2d POS lined up against the wall... except it would take too many rounds.  1 Noose would probably end it cheaply. 


And yes, Randi, you cna use this on your radio show to illustrate how much we fucking hate you.  And as a USAF MTI, I'd have had your ass discharged before your could claim the rank of airman.  You piece of shit.

205
Global Warming: The TV show Felicity

Hacked e-mails: Keri Russell's new 2nd season hairstyle

206

Global warming: Michael Moore

Hacked emails: Andrew Breitbart

207 ^Warming

208 Global Warming: Olbermann sleaze-charming the panties off a naive college bimbo

Hacked E-Mails: she only carries Magnums

209

Gravity, Schmavity.

I still wanna launch Algore out of a clown-cannon.

210 Every third grader doing a math problem knows that you have to show your work or you don't get credit. Where do these fucksticks get off thinking they don't have to?

211 tangonine, in the next revolution we shoot the reporters first - that kill all the lawyers stuff was so 20th century.

212 so much to ignore, so little time to ignore it...

213

_{There is no such thing as empty space.}

_{Except between the ears of a sociology professor.}

Women's Studies Majors?

214 Global Warming: Telling some doucheface he's an illiterate retard on the internet.

Hacked emails: Using "your" instead of "you're" while doing it.

215

Global warming: Tipper

Hacked emails: Pizza and an old sock.

216

Really? I mean, your brain...really?

Posted by: crystal at November 30, 2009 09:02 PM (KVSUW)

Haven't you ever said, "I want you to think my brains out!"?

I wear a size 16EEE hat.

I know how many licks it takes to get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop.  (Answer: Just a few more, just a few more.)

217

Ace, I know the only time you hear from me is when you say something I disagree with, and I'm not normally into kissing your ass, but what you wrote here in this original post was a friggin' jewel of both well reasoned thinking and insight on the mental process at work with these clowns.

I'm awestruck.

218
Global Warming: Styx

Hacked e-mails: Mr. Roboto

219

Women's Studies Majors?

Posted by: Beto at November 30, 2009 09:06 PM (+CLh/)

No way!  Women's studies majors are brilliant.  Where else can you get an A to hang out with a room full of chicks with low self-esteem?

220 Global Warming: The male body

Hacked Emails: Tom Arnold's moobs.

221
crystal, if you're still here, jason came bearing all kinds of gifts for you. I think he's the one.

222 Global Warming: Wahabi Jihadi

Hacked Emails: Hellfire Missile

223
Global Warming: KISS

Hacked e-mails: Makeup remover

224 Damn, I'm wet, Jim.

225

AGW:  Fonzie

Hacked e-mails:  the shark

226 Global warming: Awesome thread
Hacked emails: CD keys

227

My solution? Everybody who believes in Global Warming hold your breath and keep holding it to prevent that CO2 pollutant from adding to it.

Begin.....NOW!

Problem solved in about 3 minutes. All the fucktards are dead and we can go on living our lives.

228 So, you're an optimist!

229 ace,

I bet the 'hockey team' supporters might enjoy another post on the Everything Is Wonderful blog.

"We've been caught lying, cheating, and stealing. Everything is wonderful!"

230 Posted by: crystal at November 30, 2009 08:50 PM (KVSUW)

Crystal:
I am of the firm belief that many if not most Democrats know for a fact how destructive modern racism is. The "Sell out"/"Uncle Tom" self limiting cultural trends which punish the industrious and successful with ostracization creates a permenant segment of victim dependents the power brokers (Jesse and Al) use as a voting block for political purposes. So the politicians string a few handout programs together, enough to show their coveted voting block they "care", and are "doing something" but are very careful to keep them dependent; and sitting at the table are Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, reaping the political and financial rewards of assisting a perpetuity in dependent status amongst their followers. Human lives used as less than pawns, more like money, more like property, it is the antithesis of humanity, and has every element of the slavery, segregation, and prejudice, that we have fought so hard to destroy. Yet conservatism is evil because we seek for all people to live independently on their own two feet, free from dependence, free from fealty. We are the evil ones.

231 Global Warming: Olbermann delivering a smug verbal thrashing to Bill O'Reilly

Hacked E-Mails: looking over the ratings the next day

232

Global Warming: Telling your wife that AoSHQ is your favorite blog
Hacked Emails: Your wife reading the site.

233
Global Warming: Wilbur Mills

Hacked e-mails: Fanne Foxe

234
Global Warming: Maximilien Robespierre

Hacked e-mails: Dr. Joseph-Ignace Guillotin

235

AGW:  Ace's dream.

Global warming:  Ace's reality.

236 Global Warming: Swedish Porn
Hacked Emails: Finding out it stars a Joan Rivers look alike.

237 Does this also mean that Al Gore neither invented the internet nor re-invented government?

238 Global Warming: Megan McCain
Hacked emails: My Anger at Obama

239

Blazer...nah.

AmishDude made me feel kinda funny @224...I liked it

240

THe latter is true, of course, but is so unlikely as to not be worth mentioning.

Past results are no indication of future performance, as your financial advistor says. Good science is predictive, but not inevitably so -- quantum theory, which has been proven about as well as any physical theory we know of, makes some very strange predictions that seem to flout other "settled sciences" like gravitation and EM theory. This is the biggest remaining problem in physics, in fact: unifying the Newtonian and Quantum models of matter. The problem is -- they disagree (fundamentally!) in certain extreme environments. (Like proximity to very energetic or very massive objects.)

Which is to say: just because everything always has been that way doesn't mean that everything will continue to be that way. It's a question of probabilities, of ratios, and a question of how well we understand either of those (not very well). We do the best we can and move on, but absolute certainty about the physical world is unseemly -- we do not even begin to know enough to be confident in what we don't yet know, much less about what we (think) we do know. Humility before nature is the sine qua non of all great scientists.

I always say that honest scientists and engineers should use a lower-case "f" when speaking of facts, and never utter the word "truth" at all.

 

241 That's right Che.
But he did redefine Diabolical.

242 And does this also mean that "The Way We Were" was not about Al & Tipper? This is turning my who world upside down.

243

AmishDude made me feel kinda funny @224...I liked it

Posted by: crystal at November 30, 2009 09:20 PM (KVSUW)

Like when we used to climb the rope in gym class.

244 Please tell me that Al Gore's lock box is still around. Please! I starting to feel disillusioned ... like maybe Al Gore may have "massaged the truth (including the inconvenient ones)". Say it ain't so.

245 Global Warming: Mike Huckabee

Hacked E-Mails: Maurice Clemmons

246 take two, if this doesn't work, it is an article at American Thinker.

Posted by: sTevo at November 30, 2009 09:22 PM (eA3tl)

Don't you mean "American Stinker"?

Hee, hee, hee, hee, *snort*

247 254 Please tell me that Al Gore's lock box is still around. Please!

Yes, I think Tipper's still kicking.

248 258 nice hash mikey

Posted by: sTevo at November 30, 2009 09:26 PM (eA3tl)

Some of our hashes are born, some are made and some are thrust upon us.

249 Global Warming: Oprah

Hacked E-Mails: ho-hos, ding dongs, and twinkies

250
Al Gore must have the biggest hands in the world because he's jerking  all of us off

251

Mike the Moose..

Exactly. And..in he last fifty years or so, with every social program, with Jesse, Al an' them, exactly how has the black culture steadied itself? When have you EVER heard Al Jesse et al encouraging black children, rather than extorting corporations and individuals? It seems that we, as a culture, make demands on everyone but OURSELVES. Waiting on Daddy-Governemnt to "clean up our neighborhoods", "educate our children", "get rid of poverty", etc but fail to do anything ourselves but make demands. There is this filter that black people (in general) see everything through. It's the filter of race, aided and abetted by the media, and the left. I asked m mother, last year, who she was voting for. Increduously, she looked at me and said "obama, of course". I then said, "but don't you like owning your own business?" My mom then spat out the standard liberal line--"It was George Bush that got us in this mess"...ARGHHHHH!!

I forgot to add that to the list of Obama's one-liners''"I inherited this mess".

252

Blazer...nah.

AmishDude made me feel kinda funny @224...I liked it

Posted by: crystal at November 30, 2009 09:20 PM (KVSUW)

Hey Amish,....you slippin' the moronettes roofies again?

253 Global Warming: A somewhat attractive female that want a piece of your action. Hubba hubba. Hacked Emails: The Crying Game

254 Whoever leaked this emails couldn't have done it or timed it more perfectly.  I say s/he's Nobel Prize material.

255 Republicans love wrecking government and blaming it on us.

256
How much longer until some lower level global warming scientists start jumping ship to save their hides with the "We were lied to!" defense?

That's when things will start getting fun.  Just like a bunch of mob bosses rolling over on each other.

257 Global Warming: Newt Gingrich

Hacked E-Mails: NY-23

258 Whoever leaked this emails couldn't have done it or timed it more perfectly

On very good authority it was a setup,
from an insider worried about being busted for FOIA crimes.

259 Global Warming: NE Patriots Perfect Season Hacked Emails: David Tyree's helmet

260 Hey Amish,....you slippin' the moronettes roofies again?

Posted by: Blazer at November 30, 2009 09:31 PM (+FzLa)

That's a damnable lie and I deny all of it, unless you have copies of my emails.

261 Monty--I've been in retail financial services for years, I know that well. That's actually a government mandate. All charts, language and sales materials have to be couched in those terms. Any slip up gets you a trip to your friendly neighborhood FINRA arbitrator and a permanent black mark. And that's for screwing somebody for $20. We're talking about friggin' trillions, nothing. AGW : Overpromises Hacks : Underdelivers

262 Global Warming: A Ford Pinto Hacked Emails: A rear end collision

263
Global Warming: Good taste

Hacked e-mails: Michelle Obama's fashion sense

264 Global warming: Outdoor state dinner in November
Hacked emails: Reality show attention whores

265
Global Warming: Silky Pony

Hacked e-mails: Broken condom

266

Global Warming: Watermelon

Hacked e-mails: Gallagher's sledgehammer

267
Global warming: The real war that needs to be won
Hacked emails: Actually being elected

268 Global warming: A decent NFL broadcast.
Hacked emails: Obama's proto-fascist serve.gov ad with Obama catching a football in slow motion.

269

See what I did there, Ace?

Watermelon can be funny.

270 Okay, I have entirely too many of these X:Y things here....

271
Global Warming: Chevy Corvair

Hacked e-mails: Ralph Nader

272 Global warming: Dead horse
Hacked emails: IllTemperedCur

273 Okay, I have entirely too many of these X:Y things here....

What I really should have said is...

Global Warming: ITC's claims of having a life

Hacked e-mails:  The X:Y thing

274
Global warming: Armageddon
Hacked emails: Jesus

275
Global Warming: Al Gore for president 2000

Hacked e-mails: Ralph Nader

276 AGW : the kid behind Barry in that serve.gov commerical Hacks : getting your pass from an NFL player yanked by the Pres for a photo op

277 I'm thinking analogies, but I'm afraid of rejection.

278 (per my brother) Say climate science and a Milli Vanilli tune just pops into my head.

279 @286..that was good.

280

Global warming: Wine-stained tennis shoes.

Hacked emails: AA

 

281 It's gonna' be Ok Crystal, it's us

282 AGW: Darryl Stingley Hack: Jack Tatum AGW: Joe Theisman's leg Hack: L.T.

283

Global Warming: O.J. Simpson's azz

Hacked e-mails: Bubba from C Block

284

Global warming: John Glenn as astronaut.

Global warming: John Glenn as United States senator.

285
Global Warming: Katie Couric


Hacked e-mails: Kodak

286 Posted by: crystal at November 30, 2009 09:29 PM (KVSUW)

I'm glad you saw the prison bars and left. I myself live behind enemy lines in the "Hawked all of our gold to pay for social programs" State. And to think we actually elected Reagan at one time. I've got to get going, have fun with the other morons.

BTW morons, I expect that you've taken notes on how to have a real conversation with someone you just met?

287 Holy shit, read this!  Hits it out of the park.

288

Ok here goes...

Global Warming: The Spice Channel

Hacked Emails: Jeanene Garafolo on The View (with Rosie O'Donnell hosting)

289

209 Iowahawk

"McArdle's Climategate post was so retarded as to leave me doubting whether Andrew Sullivan was still the biggest fuckwit on the Atlantic's payroll. She kept referring to the EA-CRUT as their "model." Um, Megan? This word "model" you keep using? I don't think you know what this word means.

A statistical model works like this:

y = f(x, b, e)"

Dr. Wegman I presume?

http://tinyurl.com/ylge8ze

290
Global Warming: The Beatles

Hacked e-mails: Yoko Ono

291

I'm glad you saw the prison bars and left. I myself live behind enemy lines in the "Hawked all of our gold to pay for social programs" State. And to think we actually elected Reagan at one time. I've got to get going, have fun with the other morons.

California?

BTW morons, I expect that you've taken notes on how to have a real conversation with someone you just met?

I enjoyed it just as much

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at November 30, 2009 09:52 PM (0q2P7)

292 AGW: Obama's "soaring rhetoric" Hack: "There's something about August going into September where everybody in Washington gets all wee-weed up."

293

McArdle's Climategate post was so retarded as to leave me doubting whether Andrew Sullivan was still the biggest fuckwit on the Atlantic's payroll.

Bigfoot, dude. She believes in Bigfoot.*

*My now-standard response to any pro-McArdle post. She sometimes says wise things, but also is on record for voting for Obama. This equates directly to an otherwise-sane person who devoutly believes in Bigfoot. It raises questions about her judgement. Ann Althouse is another Bigfoot believer.

 

294

I don't know if it is possible, by damn, but we're gonna upsize our carbon footprint.

 

295 AGW: Obama's "soaring rhetoric"
Hack: "There's something about August going into September where everybody in Washington gets all wee-weed up."

Posted by: Che Pizza at November 30, 2009 09:57 PM (4iIhs)

Ha! I particuarly enjoy it when Obama's voice channels the old black southern baptist preacher. Almost as bad as when Hilary did it..."I ein't nah wayzz ti-urrrd"....

296 BTW morons, I expect that you've taken notes on how to have a real conversation with someone you just met?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at November 30, 2009 09:52 PM (0q2P7)

Do you have any idea who you're talking to?  We don't talk to real people.

We are internet people.

We are all handsome, beautiful, witty, brilliant, rich and accomplished.

297

AGW: Tiger golfing.

Hacked email: Tiger driving.

298 AGW: Post-racial America Hack: "But she is a typical white person..."

299

Do you have any idea who you're talking to?  We don't talk to real people.

We are internet people.

We are all handsome, beautiful, witty, brilliant, rich and accomplished.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 30, 2009 10:00 PM (T0NGe)

Hear, hear.

300 Hey Roseanne, you're fat.

301 AGW: A full bottle of Valu-Rite Vodka Hack: Ace, a straw & 10 minutes

302 Monbiot's throwing Jones under the bus was a transparent "Hail Mary" attempt to salvage a bad situation by manufacturing a convenient scapegoat and hoping it would all blow over if a few witches were burned on the spot.

Now that we're a few days down the road from Monbiot's statement, and more analysis has happened, and it looks like its not just going to blow over, Monbiot is starting to look more like a crapweasle than the pure broker of honesty and unicorns he professes to be.

303 Is this 0.1 of a loaf in the NYT?

http://tinyurl.com/yhpl8so

Just heard Climate Depot guy on WABC-am's new John Bachelor show (used to love his show; now he makes me cringe much of time, but I digress)..

304 This is something my SO, the actual docweasel, has been blogging about for a while: the American public votes for president the guy they think is cooler, period. It's been that way for a long time, probably since after FDR, anyway. Not more competent, not who has the better policies, who's cooler. The Dems _should_ have that locked up, seeing as they have pop culture monopolized, but they keep nominating Mondales, Dukakis', Kerry's, etc. Once they figure it out, we're toast. They think they figured it out with Obama. But turns out, he's not really so cool. So he will get beat next time out, unless we nominate Romney.

305 With you all the way up to the comparisons between O and McCain, stating that it was superficial to not support McCain. McCain is an incoherent, unstable narcissist who loves the sound of his own voice. When he selected that moron Palin for running mate, I knew I couldn't vote for him. I voted for Bob Barr as I could never vote for Obama, but McCain was almost as bad a pick as Bob Dole. The Republicans are just a slower death for out country than the Democrats.

306 ACE---

You hit it out of the park with this one.

Brilliant psychological analysis---I always benefit from your insights into how people really think and make decisions. This is the unpleasant reality we have to face up to if we want to have any hope of winning elections.

307 Hey, I got an Idea! All this raw data that I have spent my career amassing and proves my case for global warming, I'm gonna throw it away! I just got 13 million bucks and a new building, why should I spring for an Intern and a hard drive?

308 Right on about people knowing fuck all.  I was talking to a US tax attorney about Climategate yesterday, and his response "Have you seen the giant jellyfish near Japan?"  (The "it must be global warming" was silent.)

309 Most folks do not have occasion to think long and hard about what constitutes valid evidence, and of those folks who do, their thinking is often limited to a narrow personal or occupational concern. Logic and reason (or their lack) are, in part, a function of native intelligence, but in other part are a reflection of the tacit principles underlying a society. Just look, for example, how otherwise highly intelligent folks are made stupid by Islam. America has become a colored ribbon society, and we suffer as a result. We are weaker and more vulnerable in every sense because of the thorough-going integration of values and emotions.

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