December 30, 2009
— DrewM So, that's nice.
The U.S. Treasury said today it will inject another $3.8 billion into troubled lender GMAC, part of a deal that will boost the federal governmentÂ’s stake to 56% and attempt to staunch the companyÂ’s losses from bad mortgages.All of the money injected by the Treasury will essentially go to shoring up GMACÂ’s ResCap unit, the arm best known for ditech.com and other housing-boom related mortgage offers that crashed as housing prices withered over the past couple of years. GMAC said the move, along with a $3.3 billion write-down in mortgages at ResCap and Ally Bank, should allow it to explore a sale or other action for ResCap.
"By protecting the financial performance and strength of our core automotive finance operations, we expect to increase the pace at which we can fully repay the U.S. taxpayer,” said GMAC Chief Executive Officer Michael A. Carpenter.
The money comes on top of $12.5 billion that the U.S. Treasury had previously invested in GMAC to keep it afloat as the lender of choice for car buyers and dealers at General Motors and Chrysler.
The new 'loans' make the US Government the majority share holder in this zombie company.
GMAC will become the sixth company the U.S. has taken control of in the past two years.Public-private mortgage lenders Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, auto manufacturers General Motors and Chrysler and the largest commercial insurer in the U.S., American International Group.
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Posted by: Intrepid at December 30, 2009 01:18 PM (92zkk)
Posted by: rightzilla at December 30, 2009 01:20 PM (rVJH4)
I don't want to deal with these people any more than I have to *already*.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 30, 2009 01:20 PM (gHYSa)
Posted by: Voters at December 30, 2009 01:21 PM (d7Px0)
I bought one back in September because my car threw a rod 200 miles from home and the only dealership in the town I was in was a Chevy dealer.
Posted by: ol_dirty_/b+/tard at December 30, 2009 01:24 PM (IoUF1)
Posted by: maddogg at December 30, 2009 01:24 PM (OlN4e)
Posted by: Jane D'oh! at December 30, 2009 01:25 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: eman at December 30, 2009 01:26 PM (Cctty)
2 Is anybody buying Government Motors cars?
No Government motors cars for me. Even when they are giving them away, and they are.
Posted by: maddogg at December 30, 2009 01:26 PM (OlN4e)
GM is going crazy with deep discounts, aka "losing more money". So this is just a downpayment.
They know that they will have a permanent pipeline into our treasury, until some adult (ie, a fiscal conservative) turns off the tap.
Posted by: TexasJew at December 30, 2009 01:27 PM (dcKUM)
Posted by: Dr. Spank at December 30, 2009 01:27 PM (YQTVx)
Posted by: billygoat at December 30, 2009 01:27 PM (6DDE+)
Posted by: eman at December 30, 2009 01:28 PM (Cctty)
ahh, yes, more 'pulling from the brink' by Obama.
Boy, this guy has a real strange way of saving the economy.
Posted by: Posted by a shill for Big Insurance at December 30, 2009 01:28 PM (z37MR)
Posted by: mbruce at December 30, 2009 01:29 PM (t/GDA)
The democrats found a great way to launder some money to garner UNION (UAW) votes in the upcoming elections. There is no other reason for this
Posted by: paranoid polly at December 30, 2009 01:29 PM (r7Vc3)
Yeah, I can't remember either. Some nobody who doesn't have any pull or clout in Government obviously, that or a complete idiot.
Posted by: Gekkobear at December 30, 2009 01:29 PM (KBg64)
Now, have not spotted one since seeing one on a Prius back in early November.
Of course, the LIBS don't buy American bailout crs, so they. They never do as they try to make others do.
Posted by: rightzilla at December 30, 2009 01:30 PM (rVJH4)
Personally, I've always been annoyed by the "Buy American" attitude. Sure, I want people to have jobs, but not at the expense of having to buy inferior products.
Posted by: Winston Smith at December 30, 2009 01:30 PM (BFqyO)
The guy who lit his explosive underwear on fire?
Yeah, he pulled his terror-mission from the brink just like Obama pulled the economy from the brink.
Posted by: Posted by a shill for Big Insurance at December 30, 2009 01:30 PM (z37MR)
Posted by: GregInSeattle at December 30, 2009 01:30 PM (B5cM9)
Posted by: Spud at December 30, 2009 01:31 PM (iaMr2)
Posted by: TakeFive at December 30, 2009 01:32 PM (/3pxq)
I wonder when the Chinese are going to summon him for another little chit chat.
Posted by: Winston Smith at December 30, 2009 01:32 PM (BFqyO)
SF Bay area, BTW."
It's also kinda funny that Amazon's 3rd highest selling non-fiction book is Sarah Palin's Going Rogue - for sales made to Bay Area residents.
Heh.
Posted by: Intrepid at December 30, 2009 01:33 PM (92zkk)
I wonder when the Chinese are going to summon him for another little chit chat.
They didn't want to talk to him anyway. I suspect the next chat will be one word..."NO"
Posted by: rightzilla at December 30, 2009 01:34 PM (rVJH4)
#4
How many times must we say NO?
How loud must we say NO?
...before it's considered, you know, rape-rape....
Posted by: Stillwater at December 30, 2009 01:34 PM (qUdDE)
Posted by: rightzilla at December 30, 2009 01:35 PM (rVJH4)
Posted by: sig at December 30, 2009 01:36 PM (2i+Vz)
Another 3 billion and they're still not addressing the fact that the cars they make are shit. Not the shit. Just shit.
I'm glad they make crappy cars so I don't feel like I'm sacrificing anything on my commitment to never buy one.
Kinda like the ease of vowing to never buy a Dixie Chicks cd. Now that was easy.
Posted by: Dang at December 30, 2009 01:36 PM (UA4gE)
A year ago they were everywhere.
Now, have not spotted one since seeing one on a Prius back in early November.
SF Bay area, BTW.
Posted by: eman at December 30, 2009 05:28 PM (Cctty)
Still plenty of them in the Madison and Milwaukee area, it's really depressing.
Posted by: WisConbowhunter at December 30, 2009 01:36 PM (Fbdn3)
GMAC is the primary lender to General Motors and Chrysler customers.
Oh... brilliant. When GM and Chrysler rebound from their issues with their new brilliant Government-led management plans they'll pull GMAC back as well and they'll all pay back the Government what they owe, plus huge interest and bonuses for being saved.
On that day I'll sell my car... because riding one of those flying pigs seems like it would be more ecologically friendly; and fun too. I think I'll call him Horace.
Posted by: Gekkobear at December 30, 2009 01:36 PM (KBg64)
Posted by: David Brinkley Back from the Dead at December 30, 2009 01:36 PM (rVJH4)
Posted by: GregInSeattle at December 30, 2009 01:37 PM (B5cM9)
Maybe he got his birds mixed up. Maybe he's going to go all deficit sparrow.
Posted by: Intrepid at December 30, 2009 01:37 PM (92zkk)
I want to see someone take a look at the following question:
If the US were not already in a recession, would Obama's economic policies have put us into one?
My vote? A resounding "Obviously!"
Posted by: Winston Smith at December 30, 2009 01:37 PM (BFqyO)
There are plenty of Obama/Biden stickers in Savannah. And one of them is on my libtard sister's clown car.
I'm always dumbfounded by the elderly people driving Mercedes, Cadillacs, etc. sporting the stickers. I mean, WTH?
Posted by: Jane D'oh! at December 30, 2009 01:37 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: TexasJew at December 30, 2009 01:37 PM (dcKUM)
Posted by: hutch1200 at December 30, 2009 01:39 PM (Wtr9J)
Posted by: Steve In Tulsa at December 30, 2009 01:39 PM (lv+sJ)
Posted by: Peaches at December 30, 2009 01:39 PM (9Wv2j)
Posted by: TexasJew at December 30, 2009 01:39 PM (dcKUM)
43 Can the Chinese cut us off completely (buying all our debt)? Aren't they locked in a vicious circle with us? That being asked, I hope they can at least cut back their purchases... but that will bring higher interest rates and inflation.
Unfortunately,(?) the Chinese are headed for their own little meltdown. They have been going fast a furious and have enough new, empty commercial office space that it will take 40 years to even fill it. As a result they are floating paper all over and that house of cards is about to implode...........
Posted by: David Brinkley Back from the Dead at December 30, 2009 01:40 PM (rVJH4)
Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at December 30, 2009 01:40 PM (dQdrY)
My son has a used F-150 with over 100,000 miles on it. He's loaning it to a family friend while he's a boot camp. The truck runs like a dream and he hasn't had any problems with it.
Posted by: Jane D'oh! at December 30, 2009 01:40 PM (UOM48)
David Brinkley is dead?
Wow, I guess I got so used to seeing his mummy-face on Face the Nation all those years I guess I thought he was the living dead.
Posted by: Posted by at December 30, 2009 01:42 PM (z37MR)
Posted by: Ben Nelson at December 30, 2009 01:43 PM (YQTVx)
Posted by: wherestherum at December 30, 2009 01:43 PM (KAeFk)
Posted by: brak at December 30, 2009 01:44 PM (W5NBA)
Posted by: Peggy Noonan's dried-up old cooch at December 30, 2009 01:44 PM (dcKUM)
Posted by: GregInSeattle at December 30, 2009 01:45 PM (B5cM9)
Hey, so I can get my Corvette for free, right? Since I own part of GM now...
My feeling exactly. But, being a former car salesman, I can't beat the shit out of the piss poor salesman.
I say we ride up to the factory, heavily armed. Blow up every foreign car in the workers lot, and TAKE our pre-paid 'Vette!
Posted by: hutch1200 at December 30, 2009 01:46 PM (Wtr9J)
Posted by: Bugler at December 30, 2009 01:46 PM (YCVBL)
David Brinkley is dead?
Wow, I guess I got so used to seeing his mummy-face on Face the Nation all those years I guess I thought he was the living dead.
Posted by: Posted by at December 30, 2009 05:42 PM (z37MR)
And I'm guest-hosting this week!
Posted by: Tim Russert at December 30, 2009 01:47 PM (dcKUM)
Posted by: hutch1200 at December 30, 2009 01:48 PM (Wtr9J)
Posted by: Barack Princess Obama at December 30, 2009 01:48 PM (Vi7yT)
Posted by: GregInSeattle at December 30, 2009 01:48 PM (B5cM9)
And that is why it is BAD and we are going to protect you from it. Now, pay up, suckah.
Posted by: Duh Won at December 30, 2009 01:48 PM (9Wv2j)
GREAT!
Made an offer on a house on Monday, was accepted Tuesday. It is a short sale. Found out today that the lender is GMAC. This should go smooth... and by "go smooth", I mean man am I fucked.
Posted by: AndrewsDad at December 30, 2009 01:48 PM (C2//T)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at December 30, 2009 01:48 PM (nmfvn)
Posted by: maddogg at December 30, 2009 01:48 PM (OlN4e)
The old Soviets must be laughing at Obama and saying, "Hey, stupid, you're doing it wrong."
At least the Soviets got a little return for their support of the lazy factory workers. Paying GM's retirees (who never did shit in the first place) isn't gonna give nothing for a return.
Posted by: Posted by at December 30, 2009 01:49 PM (z37MR)
Rum @63
Barry's going to work out a deal where everyone gets a Corvette with a Barry O sticker on the bumper and a unicorn in the trunk.
Alas, some libtard might read this and think it's true.
Posted by: Jane D'oh! at December 30, 2009 01:49 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: GregInSeattle at December 30, 2009 05:48 PM (B5cM9)
Other central banks have already given up trying to prop up the dollar.
Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at December 30, 2009 01:49 PM (dQdrY)
Posted by: Zombie Nash Rambler at December 30, 2009 01:51 PM (dcKUM)
The dollar's been up a little the last few days... Dead cat bounce?
Posted by: GregInSeattle at December 30, 2009 01:52 PM (B5cM9)
The government didn't start buying car companies and such until 2009.
Posted by: XBradTC at December 30, 2009 01:52 PM (y0E9v)
General Motors files for bankruptcy and announces a new sales strategy under which it will go around at night leaving cars in people's driveways, then sprinting away.
Chrysler Corp. declares bankruptcy, but its CEO confidently predicts that the company will come back ``bigger, better and stronger than ever'' thanks to its 2010 product line, spearheaded by the all-new Dodge Despair.
Posted by: Peaches at December 30, 2009 01:52 PM (9Wv2j)
Posted by: Jane D'oh! at December 30, 2009 05:49 PM (UOM4
More like Billy Batts in the trunk..
Posted by: TexasJew at December 30, 2009 01:53 PM (dcKUM)
Mark Steyn on Monday was talking about how the Porkulus $$ was being spent on escort services and other such nonsense.
Why wasn't that shit posted here?
Posted by: Posted by at December 30, 2009 01:54 PM (z37MR)
April 1st 2009:
GMAC to Resume Subprime Loans
In an effort to boost slumping auto sales, GMAC, the financing arm of General Motors(GM Quote), says it will resume lending to subprime borrowers and reduce some dealer fees.
http://tiny.cc/IViQE
Posted by: paranoid polly at December 30, 2009 01:54 PM (r7Vc3)
Posted by: Old Sailor at December 30, 2009 01:55 PM (/Ft4q)
Posted by: Peaches at December 30, 2009 01:55 PM (9Wv2j)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at December 30, 2009 01:56 PM (nmfvn)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at December 30, 2009 05:48 PM (nmfvn)
Dodge Rams are great (I've had ths superb Cummings diesel one) and would have been stripped out and saved in any bankruptcy proceeding, but now they are tied into the rest of the shit with the bailed-out Zombie Chrysler.
Posted by: TexasJew at December 30, 2009 01:56 PM (dcKUM)
Ya think? *hic*
Posted by: Max Baucus at December 30, 2009 01:57 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: Peaches at December 30, 2009 01:58 PM (9Wv2j)
Posted by: GregInSeattle at December 30, 2009 05:52 PM (B5cM9)
I don't know enough to guess. I think we are in ucharted territory.
Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at December 30, 2009 01:58 PM (dQdrY)
I have owned two Subaru's, and currently have a Toyota. ALL were made in the US.
"Buy American" is code for "Buy Union."
And I don't want my hard earned money going to someone who makes more money than I do, has better benefits than I do, can afford a vacation home, has a boat, but didn't even go to college like I did.
So I buy Japanese cars made by honest, non union workers in America. Screw you UAW!
Posted by: shibumi at December 30, 2009 01:58 PM (OKZrE)
Posted by: GregInSeattle at December 30, 2009 05:48 PM (B5cM9)
I have no expertiese in finance, but my common sense tells me that since we been borrowing from Peter to pay Paul and Peter is going to be broke soon, then, like Fauruk, we need a new Peter.
Posted by: rightzilla at December 30, 2009 01:58 PM (rVJH4)
Posted by: Old Sailor at December 30, 2009 05:55 PM (/Ft4q)
When Barry bails out California, the U.S, Government will own the state and dictate how it operates from that point on. That should be a winning formula.
Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at December 30, 2009 01:58 PM (Vu6sl)
The dollar's been up a little the last few days
This has happened coinciding with somewon's vacation.
Posted by: Ministry of Fiction at December 30, 2009 01:59 PM (F8sIP)
A year ago they were everywhere.
Now, have not spotted one since seeing one on a Prius back in early November.
SF Bay area, BTW.
Still lots of them around in SoCal, but I've definitely seen the numbers drop.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 30, 2009 01:59 PM (l1Wlr)
Well, put someone on it, Peaches!
Maybe Gabriel can do the legwork on it and write a good post for a change.
Posted by: Posted by at December 30, 2009 01:59 PM (z37MR)
Posted by: Detroit Michigan at December 30, 2009 02:00 PM (BFqyO)
Posted by: Sig Sauer at December 30, 2009 05:58 PM (BFqyO)
Got me a P232 locked and loaded and ready for home invaders!
Posted by: rightzilla at December 30, 2009 02:01 PM (rVJH4)
When Barry bails out California, the U.S, Government will own the state and dictate how it operates from that point on. That should be a winning formula.
I expect no changes, since the Federal Government is now running on the California model.
Posted by: maddogg at December 30, 2009 02:01 PM (OlN4e)
Posted by: Peaches at December 30, 2009 02:02 PM (9Wv2j)
When I see an Obama sticker on a car, I immediately assume the person behind the wheel is a complete idiot. And on more than one occasion, I've pulled up next to one at a light and done a little eye-roll in their direction.
Saw a great sticker the other day: HOW'S THAT HOPE AND CHANGE WORKING OUT?
Posted by: Jane D'oh! at December 30, 2009 02:03 PM (UOM48)
Very, very soon I suspect. The US ITC ruling today that went against the Chinese isn't going to sit well at all, and will very likely reignite a counter-dumping claim the Chinese made against US Steel earlier this year.
Todays ITC "victory" for US Steel/Unions may turn out to be Pyrrhic if the Chinese decided to shift business to Posco/Mechel/Mittal to fill any gaps in their domestic steel production...and why wouldn't they? Shipping heavy shit, like steel, to China from Korea, Russia, or India has to be cheaper than shipping it from the US.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 30, 2009 02:04 PM (YO0c+)
Posted by: hutch1200 at December 30, 2009 02:04 PM (Wtr9J)
The market is all bullshit. It has the attention span of a four year old.
It's waiting for more govenement handouts, and doesn't look right over the hill at the currency shitstorm to come.
Remember the Internet Bubble? A retarded chicken could have seen that coming.. Not the boys on Wall Street, who were too busy selling billions of pets.com scam stock.
Actual business profits and decent management are a whole other universe...
Posted by: TexasJew at December 30, 2009 02:04 PM (dcKUM)
Posted by: outta control car racing to the brink of hell at December 30, 2009 02:04 PM (rVJH4)
Posted by: Detroit Michigan at December 30, 2009 06:00 PM (BFqyO)
Too late.
Posted by: California at December 30, 2009 02:05 PM (Fbdn3)
Posted by: Stretch Armstron stuck in Obama's pooter at December 30, 2009 02:06 PM (rVJH4)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at December 30, 2009 02:09 PM (nmfvn)
Posted by: Old Sailor at December 30, 2009 02:09 PM (/Ft4q)
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at December 30, 2009 02:10 PM (DIYmd)
Posted by: Prince at December 30, 2009 02:10 PM (hKyl0)
Interesting. I kind of think, though, that they'll let their figurative wallet do their talking for them.
Funny, in a couple of respects. First, that they seem to understand capitalism better than our own politicians, and second, that these days we need them a lot more than they need us.
Posted by: Winston Smith at December 30, 2009 02:10 PM (BFqyO)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at December 30, 2009 06:09 PM (nmfvn)
We'll be lucky to not be trading ammunition for gas if this shit keeps up.
Posted by: WisConbowhunter at December 30, 2009 02:12 PM (Fbdn3)
Saw a great sticker the other day: HOW'S THAT HOPE AND CHANGE WORKING OUT?
Went to Christmas at the in-laws, who are overwhelmingly Obama voters. Had 2 laid off, one working reduced hours and one just took a significant pay-cut. I really wanted to ask that question...but I promised Mrs. Mallamutt I would behave.
Posted by: Mallamutt at December 30, 2009 02:13 PM (hKyl0)
Posted by: Jane D'oh! at December 30, 2009 02:14 PM (UOM48)
2 -- Sadly, yes. My daughter just bought a Chevy truck. It was a private owner deal though; she didn't want to buy anything but Ford or Toyota because GMAC disgusts her. However, since Oct/Nov it's getting harder than hell to find decent, used, low mileage trucks around here; they get snapped up as soon as they hit the dealer's lots; all that's left is junk (and it's going for way over what it's really worth right now -- older heavy halfs even not so heavy halfs and 3/4's, the market is booming for those around here right now). This truck was the best deal she could get (and it is a very sweet deal -- I know the guy she bought off of and know the truck).
It sucks, but sometimes ya gotta do what ya gotta do. At least this is one of the more decent Chevies made.
There will be no O-stickers on it though.
Posted by: unknown jane at December 30, 2009 02:16 PM (5/yRG)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at December 30, 2009 02:18 PM (nmfvn)
Posted by: Barry at December 30, 2009 02:22 PM (ktKOD)
Jane, I feel the same way about people who do that. I just want to beat them bloody.
Posted by: Peaches at December 30, 2009 02:23 PM (9Wv2j)
Posted by: rightzilla at December 30, 2009 02:24 PM (rVJH4)
I went truck shopping recently--looking at comparable 4x4 trucks. Ford, Toyota and GMC/Chevy.
Toyota had the best price, followed very closely by Ford. Almost identical options, similar quality, similar designs.
The GMC and Chevy equivalents were not as designed as well, and cost significantly more. It is absolutely crazy.
Posted by: Joe at December 30, 2009 02:25 PM (P/q7X)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at December 30, 2009 02:25 PM (nmfvn)
Posted by: Jane D'oh! at December 30, 2009 02:26 PM (UOM48)
I took a wander over to LGF, a site I used to frequent...well, frequently. The last year or two? Not so much.
And from what I can tell on the site, not for many other people either. There are many "open threads," the dreaded "creationist" post, and a few others, most of which have under 300 comments.
Back in the day, they would have around 1,000.
Happy Birthday AOS!!
Posted by: shibumi at December 30, 2009 02:27 PM (OKZrE)
Posted by: Old Sailor at December 30, 2009 02:28 PM (/Ft4q)
I know tis is off topic, but please help me out.
I'm looking for a good analisys on the problems with the current Health Care Bill's.
Anyone? Anyone?
Posted by: TSgt Ciz at December 30, 2009 02:29 PM (ymwj3)
Posted by: Peaches at December 30, 2009 02:29 PM (9Wv2j)
I just don't see what all the fuss is about. The government still has ink - paper... the printing presses are still working. You make it sound like printing more money is something hard.
Sheesh. Get a grip.
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at December 30, 2009 02:30 PM (r1h5M)
Free government cheese for Acorn peeps forever!!!
Posted by: PJ at December 30, 2009 02:30 PM (Qpxxz)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at December 30, 2009 02:31 PM (nmfvn)
Posted by: Jane D'oh! at December 30, 2009 02:31 PM (UOM48)
That's the way it always is here in Texas. You want a decent, used, full size truck, you better keep your eyes peeled to the lots every day and pick up the free weeklys the first day they come out. Trucks are more valuable than gold around here.
Posted by: koopy at December 30, 2009 02:31 PM (XllG0)
Posted by: GregInSeattle at December 30, 2009 02:31 PM (B5cM9)
I just don't see what all the fuss is about. The government still has ink - paper... the printing presses are still working. You make it sound like printing more money is something hard.
Sheesh. Get a grip.
Hey, I'm workin' my ass off here.
Posted by: The printing press at December 30, 2009 02:32 PM (Fbdn3)
We'll be lucky to not be trading ammunition for gas if this shit keeps up.......
Ya gotta problem using 1 bullet for a whole tank of gas? Man up, or go the fuck back to D-koz/sarc
Posted by: waffle house at December 30, 2009 02:34 PM (Wtr9J)
Posted by: eman at December 30, 2009 02:35 PM (Cctty)
Posted by: bill-tb at December 30, 2009 02:36 PM (y+QfZ)
Crumbling Obama legacy succumbs to systemic failures and Obama bumbling stupidity, but mostly to Obama bumbling stupidity.
It had to be said.
Posted by: sherlock at December 30, 2009 02:37 PM (ktKOD)
OT - Fox just reported that the Obama administration says that all the Bush's approach to defeating terrorism did was divide the nation.
But you all didn't realize that because... we are so... united... and stuff... now... you know... with Obama and everything.
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at December 30, 2009 02:37 PM (r1h5M)
Posted by: hutch1200 at December 30, 2009 02:38 PM (Wtr9J)
Posted by: Old Sailor at December 30, 2009 02:39 PM (/Ft4q)
Yeah, this recovery is holding it's Solid B+ grade, that's for sure.
Merry Christmas, kids. Another albatros around the neck of your future wages and salary.
Posted by: DocJ at December 30, 2009 02:40 PM (AWzOz)
154 "California also has a HUGE glut of abandoned chihuahas right now."
My daughter rescued one. Cool dog. It's about the size of a cat and it thinks it's a total badass.
I understand they taste like chicken.
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at December 30, 2009 02:40 PM (r1h5M)
They give me Nobel prizes for this kind of genius.
Posted by: Paul Krugman at December 30, 2009 02:45 PM (sYxEE)
Posted by: Jane D'oh! at December 30, 2009 02:45 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: eman at December 30, 2009 05:23 PM (Cctty)
Bush never said yes to a bailout of GMAC. Though the Bush Administration did approve a late-December deal to allow GMAC to become a bank, even though it had to waive about a jillion rules to do so.
GMAC's auto finance business is actually not in bad shape. It's been dragged down the toilet by its subprime mortgage business, which was run by a bunch of morons. For some reason when the market turned in 2007 they decided to keep the subprime guys and canned all the execs that had run the successful prime mortgage business. Then those guys finally got canned and they brought in some nincompoop from Bear Stearns to run the mortgage business. Now that he has also proven an abject failure, they need some more of our money to give them time to close the damn thing down, which they should have done in 2007 when it was apparent they were going to lose their shirts on their subprime book.
I doubt they will be able to sell much of the mortgage business. Maybe the servicing group, which seems to still be making some money, and the Ditech brand may be worth a few bucks. But that's it. Another 5000 jobs will be kaput, too.
Posted by: rockmom at December 30, 2009 02:45 PM (w/gVZ)
I understand they taste like chicken.
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at December 30, 2009 06:40
No strays in mt 'hood since the Chinese restaraunt opened.
Posted by: hutch1200 at December 30, 2009 02:46 PM (Wtr9J)
Posted by: eman at December 30, 2009 02:48 PM (Cctty)
You couldn't give me one. Well, that would depend: if I'm free to sell it and buy a car of my choosing with the proceeds, then, yes I'll take one.
If I have to drive the POS, then no, I wont accept it.
Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at December 30, 2009 02:49 PM (BDH94)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at December 30, 2009 02:51 PM (nmfvn)
Posted by: Jane D'oh! at December 30, 2009 02:51 PM (UOM48)
Damn! Lost another bailout to Ditech!
Posted by: Countrywide at December 30, 2009 02:52 PM (sYxEE)
Posted by: Peaches at December 30, 2009 02:52 PM (9Wv2j)
Posted by: Jane D'oh! at December 30, 2009 02:54 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: Wolf Blitzer at December 30, 2009 02:56 PM (dcKUM)
Posted by: Alex Trebek at December 30, 2009 02:58 PM (9Wv2j)
Slightly O/T from Newsbusters: Ronald ReaganÂ’s economic recovery program generated the greatest peacetime expansion in history. That is fact. To this day, the "news" media report it as a failure. ObamaÂ’s economic program thus far has been a disaster. That is fact. To this day, the "news" media "report" it as a "recovery." George Orwell would be proud.
My biggest question is for those (libs) who consider themselves "informed", why do they refuse to see this when it is right in front of their faces?
Posted by: Bill R. at December 30, 2009 02:58 PM (EhlQq)
Posted by: DSkinner at December 30, 2009 02:59 PM (ZZd9o)
Posted by: TexasJew at December 30, 2009 03:05 PM (dcKUM)
Posted by: TexasJew at December 30, 2009 03:07 PM (dcKUM)
Posted by: reichwingnut at December 30, 2009 03:09 PM (7K04W)
Bush is an idiot yet, I see people occasionally talking up Jeb for a run. Are y'all fucking nuts?
Posted by: Barbarian at December 30, 2009 03:10 PM (EL+OC)
Posted by: Flatfender at December 30, 2009 03:10 PM (+Z5RN)
Posted by: zombie karl marx at December 30, 2009 03:12 PM (cniXs)
Pet abandoners are sickening. Frankly, if caught they should be forced (at gun point if need be) to man up and do the right thing - put the poor criter down by their own hand. Nothing like having to shoot your own pet to firm up one's grasp on reality.
Regarding the Chinese cutting us off, I'm sure we'd just monetize the debt. They government will push this until it collapses.
As for this GMAC bail out, I do wonder what it will bring. Nothing good, probably, and I certainly am no fan of the Obama economic "plan." But the worst effects will probably be long term, rather than near term. We worry about inflation because of the money printing, but inflation only happens when the money supply is adequate to drive up the demand for limited goods, thereby raising prices. At this stage the cash hoarding is preventing any of that from happening. We're practically begging folks to start spending, and the factories are way underutilized. A lot of the "wealth" that was destroyed in the crash was simply paper or theoretical, and filling up that hole with more paper doesn't seem to be having much ill effect. If the Fed can suck the money back up when things turn for the better (if they ever do) the problem of printing money may not be that bad.
Anyway, a possible up side of all this is that we royally fuck China and leave them high and dry with nothing to show for their "investment." I would love to see that. After all, it's their currency manipulation, export subsidies, and intellectual property piracy that are to blame for our trade deficit with them and much of the destruction of US manufacturing. They're the ones gaming the trade system. Fuck them. I can't wait for their government controlled economy to do what all centrally planned economies do - crash and burn.
Posted by: Reactionary at December 30, 2009 03:12 PM (4nbyM)
Posted by: Barbarian at December 30, 2009 07:10 PM (EL+OC)
I'm all for a Constitutional Amendment that would ban anybody named "Bush" from ever being elected President again.
Posted by: TexasJew at December 30, 2009 03:12 PM (dcKUM)
Posted by: +l33t at December 30, 2009 03:12 PM (+Z5RN)
Posted by: Barbarian at December 30, 2009 07:10 PM (EL+OC)
If Bush is an idiot then Obama must be borderline retarded.
Posted by: WisConbowhunter at December 30, 2009 03:14 PM (Fbdn3)
Been real guys, but I'm off to cook up some chicken fried steaks for supper, w/homemade gravy and veggies.
Lamb cassoulet here. I took a healthy recipe using chicken and corrupted it.
Trucks are more valuable than gold around here.
Living outside of Texas for a couple months now, it's soooo weird to see so many sedans. I'd forgotten what they looked like.
Posted by: Mama AJ at December 30, 2009 03:14 PM (Be4xl)
Posted by: reichwingnut at December 30, 2009 03:15 PM (7K04W)
General Motors, which has sold only one car in the past year -- a Buick LaCrosse mistakenly purchased by an 87-year-old man who thought he was buying a power scooter -- announces a new four-part business plan, consisting of (1) dealership closings; (2) factory shutdowns;(3) worker layoffs; and (4) traveling backward through time to 1955.
Posted by: shibumi at December 30, 2009 03:16 PM (OKZrE)
Let's add "Clinton" and "Obama" to that list, too!
Posted by: GregInSeattle at December 30, 2009 03:16 PM (B5cM9)
Posted by: reichwingnut at December 30, 2009 03:17 PM (7K04W)
Posted by: Jane D'oh! at December 30, 2009 03:17 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at December 30, 2009 03:17 PM (dQdrY)
Posted by: TexasJew at December 30, 2009 03:19 PM (dcKUM)
Posted by: Tommy Gunnar at December 30, 2009 03:20 PM (rQTdM)
Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at December 30, 2009 07:17 PM (dQdrY)
I'm not sure I agree. Next time (if ever) we get somebody in with some intelligence and good sense we should make them aristocrats. (I'm not trusting the voting majority around this country any more.) Put them in charge, force them to educate their first born sons to be in charge of that office in perpetuity, and to spend their entire adult lives doing the job. If they fail to do a good job, kill them AND their offspring and start fresh.
I could live with a King Reagan or a Queen Sarah.
Posted by: Reactionary at December 30, 2009 03:22 PM (4nbyM)
Jane, we couldn't get lamb for 4 years and we've always loved it, so I just keep buying it almost weekly! Not so great for the grocery bill, but I just can't stop myself.
Posted by: Mama AJ at December 30, 2009 03:23 PM (Be4xl)
Now if he can just (please God) avoid getting injured during the crucible. I've heard stories of guys who broke arms, etc. and had to heal up and start back at a certain point. I don't think I could take it. And I know it would kill him. He's got so many great friends in his platoon.
Posted by: Jane D'oh! at December 30, 2009 03:25 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: Jean at December 30, 2009 03:26 PM (xCBQ4)
Posted by: +l33t at December 30, 2009 03:27 PM (+Z5RN)
I could live with a King Reagan or a Queen Sarah.
Posted by: Reactionary at December 30, 2009 07:22 PM (4nbyM)
Or we could have folks earn the vote by serving in the military. Take away the vote from those drawing a govt. check for anything other than a pension. Universal suffrage is the poison. The Founding Dads knew this.
Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at December 30, 2009 03:27 PM (dQdrY)
Posted by: RJ at December 30, 2009 03:27 PM (2jp4I)
210 Now if he can just (please God) avoid getting injured during the crucible.
Truly, it is tough but when the last mile is behind, he'll know what a Marine and that he'll always be a Marine.
Posted by: Tommy Gunnar at December 30, 2009 03:28 PM (rQTdM)
Posted by: +l33t at December 30, 2009 03:30 PM (+Z5RN)
Posted by: fluffy's center mass at December 30, 2009 03:31 PM (4Kl5M)
Posted by: GarandFan at December 30, 2009 03:31 PM (ZQBnQ)
Posted by: evil midnight bomber what bombs at midnight at December 30, 2009 03:32 PM (hCQG5)
Meh.
Posted by: Patrik Pacard at December 30, 2009 03:32 PM (HGT8c)
Now he's going to have to worry about his prissy CiC. Dammit.
Posted by: Jane D'oh! at December 30, 2009 03:32 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at December 30, 2009 07:27 PM (dQdrY)
Amen, and amen. Preach on, brother Rodent. Frankly, if we'd just stuck with a system where male property owners were the only ones voting we wouldn't be in this mess. Ever see the chart that shows the Federal budget leading up to, and following, womens' suffrage?
That's what started all this molly coddling of the scum of humanity. And who was it that was behind Prohibition? The Women's Christian Temperance Movement, which as my uncle likes to say was neither Christian nor temperate.
Posted by: Reactionary at December 30, 2009 03:35 PM (4nbyM)
I could live with a King Reagan or a Queen Sarah.
Posted by: Reactionary at December 30, 2009 07:22 PM (4nbyM)
Not for me, nor any free thinking man. A monarchy makes citizens into subjects, much like the O administration is trying to do. I won't willingly allow my rights to be turned into privileges to be given or taken on the whims of others.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at December 30, 2009 03:35 PM (Poe30)
Posted by: reichwingnut at December 30, 2009 03:40 PM (5ddCw)
Not for me, nor any free thinking man. A monarchy makes citizens into subjects, much like the O administration is trying to do. I won't willingly allow my rights to be turned into privileges to be given or taken on the whims of others.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at December 30, 2009 07:35 PM (Poe30)
You're assuming an absolute monarchy, which is not optimal. A constitutional monarchy is far more moderate - with clear and accepted limitations on monarchal power. Let's not forget that it was not the monarchy that made England what it is today - it was letting the Parliment take all the power. An Englishman was WAY WAY more free in the time of Queen Victoria, or King George III for that matter, than he is now. Or, for that matter, than WE are now. I'd rather be the subject of a moderately good king/emperor than the so-called "citizen" who is just as much a slave (moreso, really) to mob-rule.
Posted by: Reactionary at December 30, 2009 03:41 PM (4nbyM)
Posted by: +l33t at December 30, 2009 03:41 PM (+Z5RN)
Posted by: B+ust of Churchill at December 30, 2009 03:44 PM (GWdsJ)
And as one of his DI's told him, "you've got a passion for this."
Boy, that will motivate a young Marine.
Posted by: Tommy Gunnar at December 30, 2009 03:49 PM (rQTdM)
Posted by: +l33t at December 30, 2009 03:50 PM (+Z5RN)
Breaking news: substituting lamb and using good red wine makes cassoulet extra supper yummy.
And now back to...not much.
Posted by: Mama AJ at December 30, 2009 03:51 PM (Be4xl)
Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at December 30, 2009 03:52 PM (dQdrY)
Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at December 30, 2009 07:52 PM (dQdrY)
You mean I'm not it?
Posted by: Barry O. at December 30, 2009 03:55 PM (Fbdn3)
/white smoke
Posted by: Ministry of Obfuscation at December 30, 2009 03:55 PM (d1FhN)
Where 'bouts are you?? I like 160 out past my old home town of Doniphan..
"163
Gleichschaltung"
Posted by: FORGER - Racist Czar at December 30, 2009 03:56 PM (o4Xi+)
Posted by: Gaz at December 30, 2009 07:54 PM (EmZzp)
mmmmmm...O.B.A.M.A mmmmmmmm...
Posted by: WisConbowhunter at December 30, 2009 03:57 PM (Fbdn3)
Posted by: Dr. Spank at December 30, 2009 04:03 PM (YQTVx)
Posted by: fluffy around the middle at December 30, 2009 04:05 PM (4Kl5M)
Posted by: OneEyedJack at December 30, 2009 04:07 PM (Poe30)
Speaking of abandoning pets -- I don't know what it's like in other states, but we're having issues with people turning their horses lose. Abandoning them at auctions has been commonplace for about a year now, turning them loose in the state parks has been going on for the past 6-9 months; now they're just opening up the barn and letting them loose in the middle of the night. It's horrible -- some of the horses are obviously trash, but now we're seeing decent horses -- ones that aren't skin and bones, have been taken care of and are to all appearances decently trained.
It's not just tragic; it's damn dangerous -- think of those suckers getting out on a highway at night.
As for owning a Chevy -- as already stated, sometimes you have to roll the hard six; there just weren't any other vehicles of comparable quality on the lots (which is odd for this time of year around here)...and this guy gave her a sweet deal anyway. At least it wasn't putting money into the pockets of GM dealers.
Posted by: unknown jane at December 30, 2009 04:09 PM (5/yRG)
Posted by: OneEyedJack at December 30, 2009 04:09 PM (Poe30)
GM sales for November 2009 vs. 2008 are down 1.8%.
The more telling GM sales figure is for CYTD 2009 vs CYTD 2008, down 31.8%.
Chrysler is worse: November down 25.5%, CYTD, down 38%
Circling the drain, they are.
Ford for November, up .1%, for the year, down 18.9% which isn't too bad. Only Subaru and Hyundai are up.
Source: motorintelligence dot com.
B+ my ass.
Posted by: MLD at December 30, 2009 04:11 PM (MrP32)
Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at December 30, 2009 07:52 PM (dQdrY)
Yep. Usually because they NEED a savior. The Weimar Republic didn't fall because it was doing such a great job. The Italian fascists didn't take power from a stable, working government that had a good administration. Given the choice between rolling the dice on some ambitious dude with what might be some good ideas, and living with the consequences of permanent Liberal rule, I'll happily give the new guy a shot. Nothing could be very much worse than letting the Liberals take permanent control, except to let the muslims take over (death would be preferable).
Posted by: Reactionary at December 30, 2009 04:12 PM (4nbyM)
Posted by: OneEyedJack at December 30, 2009 04:12 PM (Poe30)
@249 Speaking of abandoning pets -- I don't know what it's like in other states, but we're having issues with people turning their horses lose.
Holy crap. Don't horses have commercial value? Glue? Dog food? They should at the very least be sold for processing, if they can't be kept up. What a waste. Better a quick death and a productive use than to become road kill or stave in the wilderness.
Posted by: Reactionary at December 30, 2009 04:15 PM (4nbyM)
Posted by: The Crimson Permanent Assurance at December 30, 2009 04:25 PM (LD+ZJ)
I'm now happily driving a KIA Amanti and rooting for Ford to kick ass.
Posted by: Cheri at December 30, 2009 04:26 PM (llSaz)
we couldn't get lamb for 4 years and we've always loved it.
Wow, at 1st read I thought it said coldn't get "laid" for 4 years.
Glad to know all is well.
Posted by: hutch1200 at December 30, 2009 04:27 PM (Wtr9J)
254 -- Not anymore. The "liberals" got nearly all the processing plants for horses shut down in the U.S. When that happened (and it had to coincide with an economy that was weakening) the bottom fell out of the horse market. Plus a lot of stables got cracked down on at the same time -- "liberals" pushing new cruelty/neglect guidelines for horses; they are "pets" and not livestock (one person I know got reported and drug through the courts because she was charged with "making the animals drink and eat where they defecated/urinated and they didn't have any pet beds...wtf??? horses are not chihuahas; they live in freaking stalls -- anyway, totally wiped her out, had to sell everything; now the moonbats are trying to rehome her horses -- some of which they "donated" to a charitable cause: a freaking big cat rescue; these were nice healthy younger horses; now they are cat meat). Made the price of keeping them skyrocket with no return on the investment. And the penalties for not following many of the new statutes for keeping them was horrendous ($500 fine per animal, you have to pay for their care while they are impounded, at a usually much inflated rate). Lots of stables and farms just up and closed their doors.
But some politically well connected land developers made killings on the places;picked them up for well below market price -- so in that regard I hope those frakkers lose their shirts on that ground.
Posted by: unknown jane at December 30, 2009 04:27 PM (5/yRG)
Posted by: koopy at December 30, 2009 04:28 PM (XllG0)
Posted by: wherestherum at December 30, 2009 04:30 PM (gofDd)
Posted by: Jane D'oh! at December 30, 2009 04:31 PM (UOM48)
As for my daughter's new GM: one, it isn't new, and two, the old boy she got it from is a family friend. This was his personal truck, and he dabbles in street rods...it's been a bit...tinkered with (in a very good way).
None of us would touch a Chevy straight off production -- they're crap imho. But this one? She couldn't have found anything like this on any dealer's lot for the money he sold to her at. She could turn around and make money off it.
She would have preferred a Ford, but there are hardly any Ford dealers left down here (and the few there are I would never buy from).
Posted by: unknown jane at December 30, 2009 04:33 PM (5/yRG)
Posted by: Magic Christian at December 30, 2009 04:33 PM (LD+ZJ)
Posted by: unknown jane at December 30, 2009 08:27 PM (5/yRG)
Good God. Just when I think I've heard all the worst, there's yet more horror. There is no way to describe the intensity of my hate for those leftist bastards. May they, quite literally, burn to death in a fire. Only those scum could create a situation where the horse has no economic value. It's like turning the order of nature completely on its head. I can't imagine that any purge of the Left in this nation could be vigorous enough.
Posted by: Reactionary at December 30, 2009 04:36 PM (4nbyM)
260 -- nah, I know plenty of tax paying men who would vote for our idiot in chief and his cronies over and over again; I also know of a couple of single moms who have to draw welfare that refused to vote for him. The difference is the single moms in question have common sense (and would appreciate having better shots at actually working so they could get off the govn't dole); the men in question are die hard, progressive kool aide drinkers. Kinda ironic: those fellows want to vote this shit in to help out people like those ladies, who in turn can't stand the fact that they have to be on the dole to make ends meet and hate the guts of people like those fellows and their social justice ideas. It's a mixed up world.
Perhaps a test on the Constitution, sorta like a citizenship test?
Posted by: unknown jane at December 30, 2009 04:38 PM (5/yRG)
Sometimes I wonder about the value of the 19th amendment, too. And I say this as a woman.
Posted by: wherestherum at December 30, 2009 08:30 PM (gofDd)
wherestherum, I can see why you are universally loved on this blog. The more of your comments I read the more you sound more like the ideal woman. You should be put in charge of an indoctrination facility for young ladies. The world would be enriched.
Posted by: Reactionary at December 30, 2009 04:40 PM (4nbyM)
Perhaps a test on the Constitution, sorta like a citizenship test?
Posted by: unknown jane at December 30, 2009 08:38 PM (5/yRG)
The Devil can quote the Bible.
Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at December 30, 2009 04:40 PM (dQdrY)
Wow, that would narrow the voting public down considerably.
Posted by: Cheri at December 30, 2009 04:42 PM (llSaz)
Nothing could be very much worse than letting the Liberals take permanent control
Wouldn't last long. Soviet Communism only lasted around 80 years, and the Russian peasant is amazingly fond of being miserable.
Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at December 30, 2009 04:44 PM (dQdrY)
Posted by: unknown jane at December 30, 2009 08:38 PM (5/yRG
I contend that those so-called "men" are the product of an overly feminized society and political culture, and would be far less numerous if not indoctrinated from childhood to think in such unnatural ways.
But alas, the horse is out of the barn.
Posted by: Reactionary at December 30, 2009 04:45 PM (4nbyM)
Posted by: The real joker is Obama's mom. at December 30, 2009 04:45 PM (+Z5RN)
Posted by: wherestherum at December 30, 2009 04:47 PM (gofDd)
I live on an island where people think it's sport to come out and abandon their pet cats. And little libtard art students routinely abandon there dogs and cats in town before leaving town for the summer.
Damn. My mood just dipped to a whole new low.
Posted by: Jane D'oh! at December 30, 2009 04:48 PM (UOM48)
Wouldn't last long. Soviet Communism only lasted around 80 years, and the Russian peasant is amazingly fond of being miserable.
Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at December 30, 2009 08:44 PM (dQdrY)
So, which country would there be to oppose American communism and bring it down, ala Reagan? Besides, things aren't exactly coming up roses over there yet. If not for their oil cash they'd be even more screwed. I think Russian reform has stalled. Besides - I hope not to live for 80 more years. I'm not prepared to wait out a liberal triumph. Better to check out early and enjoy the afterlife.
Posted by: Reactionary at December 30, 2009 04:48 PM (4nbyM)
Jane, here is what I made, with the lamb substitution. Eating Well was the f-ing best in the 90s for healthy yet yummy stuff. Then it went under. I don't know the new version well enough to have an opinion.
Posted by: Mama AJ at December 30, 2009 04:49 PM (Be4xl)
Posted by: wherestherum at December 30, 2009 08:47 PM (gofDd)
I like this idea. If there is any hassle whatsoever to getting a voter registration the welfare scum and most Libs will never show up to do the work. That would DECIMATE the Democrats. Good thinking.
Posted by: Reactionary at December 30, 2009 04:51 PM (4nbyM)
Posted by: wherestherum at December 30, 2009 04:51 PM (gofDd)
There we go -- I think my buddy who can't catch a break could pass it with flying colors, and the damn dumb idiots who are "helping" the likes of her would fail miserably.
The men in question are tenured faculty profs -- nuf said right there.
Posted by: unknown jane at December 30, 2009 04:51 PM (5/yRG)
wherestherum, I can see why you are universally loved on this blog...and Truck stop bathrooms/sarc
I luvs ya .....
Posted by: hutch1200 at December 30, 2009 04:53 PM (Wtr9J)
Posted by: unknown jane at December 30, 2009 04:56 PM (5/yRG)
Didn't the Supremes kill all qualifying tests to vote? They will betray this idea. Ammend the Constitution to end unversal suffrage. It is the only way.
Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at December 30, 2009 04:59 PM (dQdrY)
Mama AJ, linky no worky, but I have an Eating Well cookbook somewhere. I'll check it out. Thanks!
Posted by: Jane D'oh! at December 30, 2009 04:59 PM (UOM48)
That would be the property qualification. Got no way to support yourself? Guess what quality you don't have..
Posted by: evil midnight bomber what bombs at midnight at December 30, 2009 05:00 PM (hCQG5)
Posted by: wherestherum at December 30, 2009 05:01 PM (gofDd)
In fact, I'd bring back the 1950s. That's not to say women can't be captains of industry, but they damn well better learn the basics to life first.
Posted by: wherestherum at December 30, 2009 08:51 PM (gofDd)
Mercy! This kind of talk warms my heart to the point where my burning hate for the Liberals, while in no way diminished, is suppressed. To hear such positive things from a woman has me somewhat flummoxed. So, I must leave this thread, drink some Grey Goose, listen to Sabaton, and refocus my anger back into a hot ball of wrath. And then go see Sherlock Holmes (which I realize is sort of a non-sequiter but that's my evening plans).
I wish all fellow right thinking AoSHQ morons a good evening!
Posted by: Reactionary at December 30, 2009 05:02 PM (4nbyM)
277 -- my problem (if you could consider it a problem) is that I've not come into much contact with most of the idiot women. All of my friends and family are pretty much of the same stripe: keep the government out of my hair, help keep my neighborhood safe and clean (no thugs, no bums, no terrorists) or allow me to protect my own, and make it so I can find a job that allows me to feed and care for my family; the rest I'll take care of myself, thank you.
Admittedly I can't for the life of me understand women (or men) who think differently.
Posted by: unknown jane at December 30, 2009 05:02 PM (5/yRG)
www.eatingwell.com /recipes/quick_cassoulet.html
(without the space)
Oh, the link had 2 http's. Blame the really good wine.
Posted by: Mama AJ at December 30, 2009 05:04 PM (Be4xl)
(It's food, not Italian porn, you perverts.)
My BIL raised pigs (2) on his farm last year. I thought he was nuts. This year He raised one for me, for wiring his house. I put something big, w/a bone in the middle, in the crockpot. I added a big can of Dinty moore stew. Better than Lobster! His Prosciutto is to kill for!
Posted by: hutch1200 at December 30, 2009 05:08 PM (Wtr9J)
Posted by: wherestherum at December 30, 2009 05:08 PM (gofDd)
289 -- speaking of dogs, that dog we got for my daughter is a really nice one...they've got a few hundred more looking for homes (sorry, I'm an enabler when it comes to prodding people into getting pets who need homes).
Anyway, he's a really nice dog -- it was a good pick on our part; she loves him. Heck, I like him (and the sucker's big and is one of the few that bark when strangers come around -- so it's almost like we had our Dobe back...win-win!).
As for my horses -- well, when society crumbles we'll have transportation! We've already taken to pulling them out to go to work in good weather -- really saves on the gas money.
Posted by: unknown jane at December 30, 2009 05:08 PM (5/yRG)
My two dogs are shelter dogs.
I'm working on that. My husband and kids (but I repeat myself) will implode if we don't get a puppy, but I want to get a pup and also an older dog from a shelter. One look at the golden retrievers on the goldens' rescue web site and I have to get at least one. They say they've been getting more dogs lately.
Question for y'all with knowledge. Do you think it would be better to get the older dog first or the puppy?
Posted by: Mama AJ at December 30, 2009 05:11 PM (Be4xl)
Posted by: wherestherum at December 30, 2009 05:12 PM (gofDd)
Hey Gubbermint! Here's a clue- people who can't afford stuff can still not afford stuff, no matter how much of my money you throw at them! And another clue- dumping my money repeated into failing companies is not a sound investment strategy.
Hell, I've got a bailout strategy/ economic recovery plan. How about we pick the 100 most successful small to medium business in America- ones with a consistent track record of success, growth and innovation- and give them bailout money. Fuck it, if these idiots insist on handing out my cash against my will, at least put it somewhere where it creates jobs, revenues, growth and profits.
But nooooo... they give it to the crack heads with no job skills, no desire to work and a gazillion $$$ per day smack habit.
Posted by: Damiano at December 30, 2009 05:12 PM (2tsdE)
Posted by: wherestherum at December 30, 2009 05:15 PM (gofDd)
Unknown Jane, you'll be thriving when the government teat sucking libs are flailing around like fish on a dock. Good for you. I miss having a horse and living in the country. But I do live on a peaceful island with lots of wildlife. And our two little female house cats we adopted several years ago are a joy, and fill a void in our lives with the boy away. And D'oh Boy stocked us up on ammo when he worked at Bass Pro, so there's that. Heh.
Posted by: Jane D'oh! at December 30, 2009 05:15 PM (UOM48)
He also thinks Prop 13 in CA, which keeps property taxes reasonable for old folk on fixed incomes, should be repealed because it takes money away from schools.
I heard that twice a day from the time it passed til I graduated high school. And yet, here I am...
Posted by: Mama AJ at December 30, 2009 05:16 PM (Be4xl)
294 -- they should meet up with these two buddies of mine who have been forced onto welfare; although the two of them have no desire to get within spitting distance of large cities anymore. Still, it could be real interesting.
I've noticed that (outside of some lazy bums) that most people who are gungho welfare have never had to live on it with little to no hope of getting off of it. Seriously, I've got two friends and know some more folks around here who hate it like the plague. They'd like to have their old jobs back and the welfare case workers out of their hair. Sadly, I think they are becoming a minority.
Posted by: unknown jane at December 30, 2009 05:16 PM (5/yRG)
Posted by: wherestherum at December 30, 2009 05:20 PM (gofDd)
Yeh, I think getting the older dog first would be easier for me! I've been dragging my feet on getting a dog for YEARS, but I'm running out of excuses. Reasons, I mean reasons.
Posted by: Mama AJ at December 30, 2009 05:22 PM (Be4xl)
Rum -- heh, heh, it isn't so much the peeing and pooping; it's the fact that a horse is about 1000 lbs. and no Avatar like communing goes on. You either know how to handle them or you don't -- and not knowing how can cause you all sorts of grief. There used to be a horse farming days festival near here -- you could try your hand at using a horse drawn plow...it was fun to watch the birkenstock crowd give it a shot (would've been truly something if we'd used a really hard core pull team instead of the broke to death ones that will do it in their sleep). Ever seen a vegan in sandals trying to man a horse/mule drawn plow? LOL
Get the older dog first -- dogs have to establish a pack hierarchy, and usually it goes to the dog with the most senority. Get the older dog, train it up well and get it acclimated to your household; it'll help teach a pup the ropes.
Posted by: unknown jane at December 30, 2009 05:23 PM (5/yRG)
I just started reading, so this is off topic. What is your sisters' clown car with the big O sticker on it?
Posted by: TheGhostWhoWalks at December 30, 2009 05:25 PM (EhEjd)
Posted by: wherestherum at December 30, 2009 05:26 PM (gofDd)
Besides food stamps and plastic coins, used to be you could tell the welfare families by their coats. They'd get these horrid orange/brown plaid jobbers....
Posted by: evil midnight bomber what bombs at midnight at December 30, 2009 05:27 PM (hCQG5)
http://tinyurl.com/yz4ly4p > rotten boroughs
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at December 30, 2009 05:27 PM (DxGuW)
Posted by: unknown jane at December 30, 2009 09:23 PM (5/yRG)
+1
The house training will be darn near automatic.
Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at December 30, 2009 05:29 PM (dQdrY)
Posted by: unknown jane at December 30, 2009 05:31 PM (5/yRG)
Posted by: JackStraw at December 30, 2009 05:31 PM (VW9/y)
Posted by: unknown jane at December 30, 2009 05:34 PM (5/yRG)
Posted by: evil midnight bomber what bombs at midnight at December 30, 2009 05:36 PM (hCQG5)
Thanks for the advice, folks!
The house training will be darn near automatic.
Hmm, maybe that will help with the stubborn 4 yr old human...
But be prepared if you go with the Golden Rescue organization, they are real demanding of who they will give a dog.
I noticed they don't want families with kids under 5! The stubborn little guy will be 5 soon enough, though.
They also need families with no pets to foster dogs who are sick or just need to gain weight. We'll see. They are two hours away in Dallas because there aren't any Golden Rescues here in S'port, so we'll see, we'll see.
Posted by: Mama AJ at December 30, 2009 05:39 PM (Be4xl)
OT - I'm still lol-ing at the Politico piece that claims Obama's taking the blame that Bush didn't for the underwear bomber. Yep, the Left never criticized Bush's actions on 9/11 or its aftermath and never tried to blame him.
History begins today - once again.
Posted by: societyis2blame at December 30, 2009 05:48 PM (rPDD/)
Posted by: OneEyedJack at December 30, 2009 05:49 PM (Poe30)
Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at December 30, 2009 05:50 PM (dQdrY)
Posted by: DM! at December 30, 2009 05:50 PM (O0Qwy)
Come on, this isn't a trick question! What make/model do you call a clown car? That's what I call a Chevy HHR. Just wondered if it was the same. Mine was bought spring '08, and has a PALIN sticker on it. Still looks like a clown car though. Just a clown car with class.
Posted by: TheGhostWhoWalks at December 30, 2009 05:56 PM (EhEjd)
It'd be nice to bring back some shame into society
If that were come to be, this blog would be shut down!
BTW...nobody mentioned how much better a dog is than any alarm system.
My boys are getting old enough to be resposnsible to maintain a dog. I will go with the old pound dog. Screw the exotic hierloom breed POS's.
From my childhood, I remember a love being returned from any animal. Excpt chicks!
Why do all my posts turn to shit at the end?
Posted by: hutch1200 at December 30, 2009 05:58 PM (2n/eJ)
Posted by: The real joker is Obama's mom. at December 30, 2009 05:58 PM (+Z5RN)
324 -- Ha! I already mentioned the usefulness of having a large dog (who really isn't all that scary, but for some reason people are scared of large dogs) who actually barks when people come up. Gotcha!
And now, now...what exactly is an "exotic heirloom" dog breed? All my dogs are working dogs, and the one we just got, while a pedigreed purebred and I suppose "exotic", would've suffered a mighty dicey fate if he hadn't gone into an adoption program. Dude, don't be a hater! (lol)
Posted by: unknown jane at December 30, 2009 06:04 PM (5/yRG)
My dad gave me a BB gun, when I was 6. ("
I gave my son a Cricket .22 for X-mas. We went shooting X-mas morn. Boy did goood. Had to take him to the Dentist today for his checkup. The assistant asked what he got from Santa. "A .22 that shoots the eyes out of a Perp at 25 yards". I tried to tell her it was a Nerf gun! She didn't believe me, but didn't hurt him either!
Posted by: hutch1200 at December 30, 2009 06:05 PM (2n/eJ)
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Posted by: wherestherum at December 30, 2009 06:14 PM (gofDd)
Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at December 30, 2009 06:15 PM (dQdrY)
They don't just take the clippers to them at home? (yeah, my friends do that -- with interesting results sometimes)
As for 4K dogs...only if they're really good at doing some real work (mind you, there are dogs out there that are like that -- but they usually don't get fancy haircuts). Our new hound didn't come close to that cost, doesn't need a fancy haircut...and made about that much on the track. Now that's more like it (yes, I'm seriously digging this dog...can you tell?).
That's my perfect come back when somebody's bragging on their high priced, spoiled rotten/does nothing pooch -- so, for that price does it do anything worthwhile?
Posted by: unknown jane at December 30, 2009 06:16 PM (5/yRG)
Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at December 30, 2009 06:16 PM (dQdrY)
Posted by: wherestherum at December 30, 2009 06:17 PM (gofDd)
329 -- I was giving you a hard time Hutch...kiss, kiss, wink.
I'd pay that price for a good, proven working dog -- like a narcotics or bomb sniffer, even a really good schutzhund III dog that was proven and of breedable quality...but those dogs have a bit more going for them than just looking cute.
Posted by: unknown jane at December 30, 2009 06:18 PM (5/yRG)
Posted by: unknown jane at December 30, 2009 06:20 PM (5/yRG)
Posted by: The real joker is Obama's mom. at December 30, 2009 06:21 PM (+Z5RN)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 30, 2009 06:24 PM (tJ4Ym)
Posted by: wherestherum at December 30, 2009 06:25 PM (gofDd)
Clicked on a Louisiana golden breeder web site...$900. Damn, I was trying to cope with the $4-500 I was imagining.
Wow, maybe that will help get my husband on board with the shelter idea...
Posted by: Mama AJ at December 30, 2009 06:26 PM (Be4xl)
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