Could you post actual examples of unacceptable conduct?

As far as race or sexual preference jokes, I do not go there.

But, it would be interesting to see what is considered racist or gayist(?) on the Ace of Spades.

I'm not so much afraid of brown people as people with brown fingers.  It's a minute, but critical, distinction.

I get all of my coded messages from Ace through my TV set, sometimes even when it's off.

That's it. Now you've gone too far.

I'm never reading this far-left communist joke of  a blog again.

I'm not so much afraid of brown people as people with brown fingers.  It's a minute, but critical, distinction.

Was this an example of unacceptable commentary?

To Manly Go Where No Bold Has Gone Before...

LOL

...you are pitching extraordinarily low into the comedy strike zone; you are going into the dirt.

...leave the comedy to people with better appreciation of the strike zone and better control over their pitches.

Racist? What? Is this about me?

Test

So one day Palin Steele decides to come out of the closet and he finally tells his mother he's gay.

The mother asks:  Do you hook up with other guys and toss their salad?

Palin Steele:  Yes, mommy.

Mother:  And do you suck their dicks and swallow.

Palin Steele:  Yes, mommy, and I like it.

Mommy wacks Palin Steele upside the head and says:

DON'T YOU EVER COMPLAIN ABOUT MY COOKING AGAIN!!!

>>I'm not so much afraid of brown people as people with brown fingers.  It's a minute, but critical, distinction.

LOL!

Been too busy at work to post of late...jeez, what did I miss??

Does this mean a Nigerian Butt Knuckle is off limits?

Okay. I apologize for the whole "skipping down the sidewalk singing showtunes" comment.  Homosexuals (NTTAWWT) don't necessarily do that.  But adults of any persuasion who do that - deserve to be ridiculed damn it. And I stand by that unapologetically. Now pardon me while I hum a tune from Man of La Mancha.

Little bird, little bird, in the cinnamon tree . . .  

Because the joke that's being made is something like "I'm not against black people, I'm against people who have this trait, and oh yeah, only black people have that trait

(snicker) I don't think that's what he meant.

Hoo-boy...I'm kinda scared to type anything.

...brings back memories when my dad finally got real pissed

Not to Embarass Anyone... Not to bring up anyone by name

This is the goddamn problem. Or at least, my goddamn problem, why I'm sick to death of being confused by these posts you habitually put up every couple of months.

You delete whatever it was that offended you and ban whomever it was that said it and don't tell us what or who. Which is your perogative, being your blog. But then you say 'don't do it again' and I'm sitting here going don't do WHAT? As are a lot of other people I'd bet. The ones who keep doing it apparently aren't listening... the ones who are listening don't know WTF you're talking about because you deleted it before they refreshed the page.

Or didn't you? Are there still these outrageous racial bile comments on that thread that I missed or (as I'm ALWAYS left guessing) are you interpreting some of the ones there now as much worse then I do?

I didn't do nothing. I didn't even comment on that damn thread. I'm just saying this post is as confusing as all the others.

I've got nothin.

So an 8 year old boy told me this joke: Doe and Ray were naked in the bathroom, who came next? 

I am seriously thinking of pulling my boy out of public schools.

How about a Tiger joke?

What does a baby seal and Tiger Woods have in common?

 Answer:

They have both been clubbed by a Norwiegian.

Now THAT was teh funny!

In today's day and age that's a useless metric. Someone is always offended by everything. Not just opportunistically outraged lefties but everyone, on the right too. You got people bitching at you they're offended at your own posts from time to time. I never think "would someone be legitimately offended?" because, HONESTLY, if I asked myself and honestly answered that question, I wouldn't have posted THIS. Because probably some numbskull is offended.

Idiots get offended because someone used the word 'niggardly' properly in a sentance with no double entendre or puns... they get offended anyway. Over at hot air they all had a hissy fit of outrage because someone used the term "jap" to describe japanese people. Because "that was the phrase they used in WWII" - no morons that was NIPS. (and even that is hardly very venomous, it's just an abbreviation of nippongo).

People get offended at "war between the states" because 'that's what the south called it' - that was War of Northern Aggression you historical illiterate imbecile.

Someone's offended by everything.

Ask Jeff Goldstein. Even on the right morons who've been denied anything remotely resembling a decent education think they have the right to determine the meaning of whatever they read.

Seriously if you asked yourself "would someone be offended?" How many of your own posts can you answer 'No' to?

Something that is everything is nothing. A distinction that is too broad is meaningless. A more useful distinction would be to determine what exactly offends Ace rather then tiptoeing around People Who We Won't Name, some of whom may or may not have better senses of humor then others. (I don't know... I don't even know who they are).

I don't think I've ever said anything that outrageously offends Ace... I damn well know I can't say that about everyone else... but these ambiguous posts, if you didn't manage to read the shitstorm before it got deleted, always just leaves one feeling greatly ambivalent and unsure.

 "I can guarantee you with well-night 100% confidence"

ITYM "well-nigh"

pointing out typo's is the height of wit where I come from.

also I wanted to make sure I wasn't banned. I hate when people do that.

Posted by: Dang Straights at December 08, 2009 04:51 PM (bOV32)

Not sure, but I'm going to guess that its some comments left in the Tiger Woods thread with the WaPo article where the liberal douche was all ticked off about Tiger preferring vanilla to chocolate.

A. for those of you who didn't get the joke - don't go to a criminal docket, and if you do, don't shake any hands.

B. I hear the LPGA offered Ellin Woods a spot to prove Tiger can be beat by women.  Ellin is also rumored to have the Editor in Chief slot at Tigerbeat.

C.  Thank you Ace for leaving the Irish as fair game.  My heart soars like an Irishman's BAC.

Idiots get offended

Posted by: Entropy at December 08, 2009 05:05 PM (IsLT6

You are getting you ass cicked now budy!

There are two sorts of people. The genuinely clueless and those who hide behind "ambiguity" as an excuse.

I suppose you are in the category of genuinely clueless.

No.

I never posted in the thread that pissed you off today. I haven't posted anything remotely racial/sexual (in seriousness or in jest) in the last... I dunno, at least a week.

So you're not pissed at me.

The same was probably true the last time as well.

I'm never uncertain about a joke when I make it.

I've never been called out by you on it. I never illicited such a post. So I assume there's no problem.

 I haven't read all the comments looking for them because I assume you've deleted them. Have you?

Posted by: Michael in MI at December 08, 2009 05:06 PM (ObTcs

Its a double standard man.  Do you really need it explained to you?  Yeah yeah, its bull shit that it seems like you can spew vitriol about mormons in the form of a joke but can't do it to gay people.  Bitch and moan all you want.  Then you can go and whine about how rappers are allowed to say the N word without any trouble at all but ace will ban you for it. 

No one is telling you to stay here if you don't like rules, even if they are unfair because they're pretty much the exact same rules of our society at large.  Hey you never know maybe one day you'll be able to crack vile hatefilled "jokes" about everyone without any fear at all.

Ace, Thor-like, swings his mighty banhammer of doom!

Dread fills the land, posters quiver at their keyboards!

For the Ace of Spades is abroad, and all tremble before his mighty wrath!

Either that, or he's turning into Charles Johnson.  Or he just had too much Valu-Rite vodka last night.  Either way, there's just no such thing as a manly hissy fit.

I also have noticed those degenerate comments. Most people here just ignore them. It doesn't pay to feed bigot trolls. I always assume they are lefties coming over here to discredit the site and everyone here. A kos kid comes here and posts some dumb eubonics things and then goes back to kos pointing and laughing: look at the raaacist conservatives.

I back your ban hammer in this respect. As long as you don't turn into Mad Chuckles who bans anyone looks crossed eyed.

Henceforth, all jokes in the comments shall be presented in the following form:

A standard caricature walks up to a predictable archetype and says something mildly provocative, usually about sex.  The standard caricature ignores him and walks away.  The standard caricature walks back up to predictable archetype and repeats the mildly provocative comment, thereby reinforcing our sense of expectation.  The standard caricature again ignores him and walks away.  Finally, the standard caricature walks up a third time, but this time says something unexpectedly different, suddenly surprising the reader into challenging his previous expectations.  Hilarity ensues.

Seriously, that test is absolute garbage.

First both jokes are funny, especially the second one.  I laughed so hard for 5 minutes.

And is making fun of Muslims fair game, and Mexicans?  Like is it just blacks and gays, so can I make fun of trannys, and asians?

This site used to be so much fun.

Ace is on a Posting Bonanza Today.  Good stuff!

Couple of extra scoops in the coffee today?

Posted by: Ignatz Mouse at December 08, 2009 05:14 PM (uHvsp)

And that's an example of a topic I would never talk about even though it's a running joke around here---because I'm black.   Because it would be perceived differently coming from me.

So my question is: is this well-known Neil Hamburger joke funny?

Q. What would you get if you crossed a Saber Tooth Tiger with Sir Elton John?

A. I don't know, but you sure wouldn't want it near your ass.

164 - Define perversion. It used to be the unexpected twist was in fact that it was a guy sucking another guy. Nowadays its not unexpected because Gay is no longer a love that dare not speak its name.  The definition of perversion hasn't changed for some people and has for others. 

Still it was a cheap shot on my part to go down the "skipping and singing showtunes route." 

That Robinson doesn't get the ethos (or lack thereof) of the predatory heterosexual male was really what I was pointing out. He may just be asexual actually, since presumedly predatory homosexual males exist and he should have been able to extrapolate.  So there. Not wanting to hurt anyone feelings - except those who wantonly skip and sing show tunes in public - whatever their sexual preferences.

And what about me?  I have feelings too, you know!

Posted by: Alex at December 08, 2009 05:26 PM (xCqs3

Now that's funny...

And that's an example of a topic I would never talk about even though it's a running joke around here---because I'm black.   Because it would be perceived differently coming from me.

You're black?  I thought you were half-Irish, half-pastrami sandwich.  Then again, I may be off my meds today ...

(I'm 100% Antarctican, if you're curious.)

The annual attempt to herd all the cats.

there's a double standard. The delicate sensibilities of Blacks and homosexuals must be tended to, while all others, not so much.

Because its the most common type?  Its the one's that get the most attention?  Because when those others are hit, they hit back?  There are multiple possibilities.  Does it really matter in the long run?

Instead, there's a focus on Black and homosexual jokes. Doesn't make sense.

That's a fair point too.

I crack Christian jokes some times. I hardly go over the line. Cristoph did and got banned for being a non stop 'Christ sucks!' machine.

A lot of posters do. And Jews, I make Jew jokes alot (anyone who thinks I'm antisemitic is a moron, I'm the worlds only Zionist atheist). Mormons... they have magic underpants.

We have mormon posters here. I know because they've got all pissy about that (though not at me).

The point is... there's offensive shit all over this website. We're WAY offensive here. This blog is not for everyone.

There's definetly a line. Some shit is just, as Ace says, nothing but people bitching about who they hate and not really a joke, or very very racist or whatever.

But, to take a not terribly funny but rather blase gag 9 people made on the Tiger Woods thread - "Where the white women at?" - Tiger Woods.

That's a rather obvious gag you're going to get out of crowd on the topic in pretty much any forum. Not really crossing the line racist or offensive if you ask me. No worse then any of the other acceptable crap we pull here daily on other topics.

But is that is? Is that over the line? Granted - it's not funny, and obvious, which is why I wouldn't post it. But to me, tame.

But can imagine a black person getting offended by that? Oh hells yes. Same as, as I said, someone will get offended by everything.

Would someone be offended by the "wussies" link in the sidebar onion piece? Even though it very specifically is not even aimed at gays? Yes, they would be offended anyway - like the 'War Between the States' or "articulate".

The perfectly-qualified minority Denny's-Parking-Lot quick-slams that Tiger overlooked to have unsafe condom-free sex with?

Are you trying to insinuate that of course Tiger didn't cheat with minority women because they are all low class and have diseases? No you're not. But someone might well assume that and then get offended by it.

Constructively here... maybe you need to, instead of calling out the whole blog, NOT delete the posts but just ban the people and edit the posts to note they've been banned. But leave the example.

Trust me.. my only problem here is I'm nearly as sick of you posting this exact post verbatim as you are.

umm...

Hi?

Chapelle can do the uptight white guy voice because white people laugh at it.

If he did it in front of me I'd tell him to fuck himself, but that's just me.

Speaking of gay porn, is "Banhammer Coming Out" available on Blue Ray yet?

But...but...the Negroes stole our dates!

Well, as a "minority" (ick) I can defend myself and dislike censorship.

I've been hit upside the head a few times here, but I can hold my own and I hate and fear censors far more than plain-vanilla 'netroot antisemites.

If people attack or threaten other posters personally, or go absolutely nuts, that is another matter. 

Otter -

Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, but it helps

Posted by: sickinmass at December 08, 2009 05:31 PM (Dxfei)

THAT'S NOT FUNNY!

Is it?

I wanna be

Your BANHAMMER!

Why don't you caaaaall my name?

How does a gay man fake an orgasm?

He spits a mouthful of yogurt on his partners back.

321: too bad Whitey Ford has passed on. That bastard had it coming.

Thanks, btw

Man - I thought I was argumentative.

Good topic and stance, Ace.  I got no room for racists or bigots in my life.  I have family members who say these things, and they know better than to say them around me.  Gotta take a stand.

Peace, out.

All of this started because you called me a soft-handed cakeboy.

324: yup. The Veterans Cmte just voted him in yesterday.

Ace wrote, "I have not banned such opinions. I'd like to see them. I have promised not to ban."

That is correct.  Anybody remember "Adriana Lima" AKA Richard Warman (Canadian "activist" who mobys conservative sites and then runs to the Canadian Human Rights Commission)?  He was here, and for quite a while.

So, you can take Ace at his word on that one, though I seriously doubt any of the regulars here have any such opinions to express.

Ace, Entropy's request for the offensive "jokes" to be left published, clearly marked as unacceptable & the commenter banned is not unreasonable. It would keep you from having to go through this exercise every few months.

You said, "I hate you. I despise you." Then don't be a pussy. Very publicly shame and humiliate these fuckers. You take out the trash and draw very bright lines for all the other morons.

I wasn't going to say anything, because frankly, I think I've posted here 3 times, and never was it anything even mildly amusing.

However, I do have something to say regarding the arguments/discussion with what's ok and what's banworthy.

Does anyone truly have a sense of humor that relies soley upon edgy jokes and toe-ing the line of what's appropriate and what's offensive?  I mean, I can crack offensive jokes like anyone else, but it's no where near my weapon of choice.  If there's no racist jokes allowed, it's not like that elimates any significant portion of my sense of humor.

If Ace's policy regarding potentially offensive jokes is making you feel opressed or restrained in any way, maybe you should be re-evaluating your sense of humor, rather than argue over whether something is truly offensive or not.

Posted by: nickless at December 08, 2009 05:26 PM (MMC8r)

I would assume that would be OK.  Because putting rodents up your own ass is just plain fucked up regardless of your sexual orientation.

Ace not being a dork, BUT is "Andi Sullivan" now beyond the pale?

Are you saying no more Lt. Worf Chewbacca jokes?

What I mean is when I see our side quietly taking the bile of the last 8+ years with the invective hurled at us with a shrug I worry that our "nice guy" approach can and does tell the moderates..."hey there is a passion gap".

Not trying to provoke a ban like I did at HA I am being sincere what precisely is the line w/r/t mocking Sheperd "Sheila" Smith et al?

Was that a gay dig if not joke since Shep seems well less than aggressively hetero?

<---bewildered

I would assume that would be OK.  Because putting rodents up your own ass is just plain fucked up regardless of your sexual orientation.

Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at December 08, 2009 05:45 PM (IoUF1)

Rodentist!

147 why your focus on the jokes about Blacks and homosexuals? - Michael in MI

I'll tell you why: (in my opion of course) it's because the MSM constantly smears us "righties" as hating gays and hating blacks. Not "not liking" or "disagreeing" but accused of outright hatred. The last thing this (or any right-leaning) blog needs is to be filled with race or gay-slandering 'jokes'. Ace could outlaw other hate-mongering too, but the message should be clear enough without reeling off a long list, eh?

Also, the fine detail is that jokes aren't banned, it's hatemongering that's disguised as a joke that's banned. If it's teh funneh, it's OK.

Posted by: wherestherum at December 08, 2009 05:42 PM (gofDd)

And remember, WTR and I are from the two groups with the highest SAT scores.  We score high on the Krell meters.

350,

See that's the thing..."watermelon" as a shorthand mockery of the motives of the warmers predates President Jesus H. Brown in office and he *is* a watermelon as his extortionary use of the threat of the EPA inflicting a rejected Copenhagen on us anyway shows....

1) Obama is the first president to turn the Rose Garden into the Watermelon Patch.

2) Andrew Sullivan probably can't think straight because his head is filled with semen.

Which one was funny?

 I smiled at number 2. Sorry. I'll do penence now.

OK, I have no idea what the fuck is going on. I suppose someone crossed a line.

First, Alex the Chick is gay? Huh. Didn't know that. Still think she's hawt though. No big deal.

Second, Ewok jokes better still be legit. Yub yub.

Well, you have other readers who are offended by other types of jokes. Should we put in a letter to the AoSHQ complaint department and ask you and some of your commenters to stop making certain jokes?

Like what? I'm asking because I am part Mexican and there's at least one blog I could name where I stay away from the comments on any amnesty, illegal immigrant type issues because I don't want to read the comments. There are people who are anti-Mexican in general and it shows.

But it rarely comes up here, so even if there have occasionally been jokes that I didn't love, it's not a real problem. It could theoretically be a problem, but it isn't an actual problem.

I pretty much go by the criteria of "can I tell this joke around black friends" as to the level of offense.

 That doesn't do shit for me.

I can tell any joke around my black friends... (if I couldn't, I wouldn't be comfortable around them, so I wouldn't want to hang around with them, so they wouldn't be my friends).

Some people I know, white or black, you can't say anything to that wouldn't be approved by a commision of lawyers and political marketing gurus for a VP candidate (who's not Joe Biden) to say.

Second, Ewok jokes better still be legit. Yub yub.

Posted by: SGT Dan at December 08, 2009 05:49 PM (GgXZc)

As long as the Ewoks aren't gay or black, should be fine. 

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at December 08, 2009 05:49 PM (zmiSr)

It was blazer. But we're friends now.

I let him suck my cock.

380 Insomniac,

but can the ewoks be posing as first lady?

"Must be the Joos." is a comment I regularly see around here.  I am a Gentile. I wouldn't make that comment, even though I know it is a jest.  It would be derisive in today's society. The N word (Damn, I hate even typing it that way) is used by many blacks.  Being white, I don't use it.  Gay is generally spelled ghey around here.  Spelled one way it is the way to imply a person is homosexual.  The other is an insult, I think.  The use of the word gay has been mutated from its original meaning. Sing the Flintstone song,  "Have a gay old time!" and children snicker. 

I try to not hurt peoples feelings because I am a decent guy.  What I don't like is being bullied by political correctness into being mute.  Ace, its your blog. Occasionally people will say offensive things. Break out the ban hammer when you want.  If some asshole is a repeat offender ban his or her ass permanently.     This topic was better left alone.

380 Insomniac,

but can the ewoks be posing as first lady?

Posted by: sven10077 at December 08, 2009 05:52 PM (dCpk3)

Maybe, if you had about three or four of them standing on each others' shoulders. 

You want me to make fresh posts collecting them up?

No, but this post right here would be an excellent place to put an update with a "For example...[racist douchebag's "joke"] = BANNED."

Then in the future when this crap undoubtedly comes around again, link back to this post. Easy-peasy.

Banhammer Flaming Skull would be cool... 

or maybe a little geek just slipped out there. 

Peace, out.

Posted by: connertown at December 08, 2009 05:40 PM (+q3dR)

Pease out? Peace out!?

Crap Ace, now see what kind of 'tard you have let in and made feel comfortable?

Peace out? Hey, go kill yourself, idiot.

Some of the comments I saw on that other thread crossed the line for me. So I'm pretty much with Ace on this this. I think.

I'd just like to say that this is a political blog, and r a c e  is a big part of politics, for better or for worse. So I think any blanket prohibition on discussion of race, regardless of quality, is impossible without neutering the blog completely.

That's all I got and my last comment on this thread. 

395 - Peace out? Hey, go kill yourself, idiot.

Hey, I have a cousin named Jim in San Diego.

Is that you, cuz?  How you doing?  Is your wife still cheating on you?

I didn't realize you needed to take the SATs to become a diamond merchant.
Posted by: Y-not at December 08, 2009 05:50 PM (sey23)

You think it's funny selling cubic zirconia to dumbasses for 10 grand a carat?

You puny-brained human!

And remember, WTR and I are from the two groups with the highest SAT scores.  We score high on the Krell meters.

Posted by: TexasJew at December 08, 2009 05:47 PM (mCD5S)

Wish there were more Eskimos in the world, I bet they would be damn close to you two. My girlfriend is mind bogglingly smart.

 I know it is a jest.
 

and I know who is being ridiculed.    Taken to the nth degree though, what do we do when its not ok to rib the loony left.  I don't like the way they mock every conservative as being a nuckle dragging neanderthal.  I am not so sensitive that I can't listen to it.  I make fun right back. 

381

Ace, arguably even heterosexual sex is funny. The "beast with two backs" is Shakespeare cracking wise on the ridiculous hunching that goes on during straight sex.   Sex is funny. Period. The face making, the groaning. Its ridiculously undignified - when done correctly it ends up in both parties laughing out LOUD after climax.

 Is it wrong to think sex is funny? Is it wrong to think gay sex is even funnier?

Wish there were more Eskimos in the world, I bet they would be damn close to you two. My girlfriend is mind bogglingly smart.
Posted by: fartbubble at December 08, 2009 05:59 PM (cBeTr)

The human brain is almost 90% fat, the same substance as whale blubber..

Posted by: Bust of an Ewok at December 08, 2009 06:00 PM (8/DeP)

Geez, how do you think I feel?

So, you're all going to ignore the virulent, hateful anti-Lutheran prejudice that permeates the threads here?

That's bad stuff, but what is okay is making fun of people who, despite years of practice, can't manage to link things correctly.

387 MiM: HotAir's and others' problems aren't because they don't all racist comments.

What Ace is asking is really very simple.  Don't be an asshole.  And there are more regular asshole (not funny) pseudo-jokes that are an embarrassment to the right then there are over-reactions by Ace (regularly scheduled!)

Thought the WWBD filter is a no thanks.

Posted by: MPFS, Holiday Fish Stick at December 08, 2009 05:58 PM (iYbLN)

RAAAAAAAAAAAACIST

411,

They were yanked off the shelves at the local AAFES shop as well.....

1) the flavor while not as bad as Vitamin Water's dragon fruit capturing the taste and smell of rotting socks was not stellar

2)Gatorade is da racist now...ask Euegene Robinson who may not like Tiger's choice of ho but will close ranks with the 'bro

Posted by: Sodomy at December 08, 2009 06:02 PM (LLOGQ)

Ha! Eat me!

the point of the exercise is to demonstrate that you're only grinning because "it's funny that gay dudes suck dicks."

If flenser had not promised not to post again on this thread, I think he'd say something like, "No, I'm laughing at Sullivan, not at gays. In the same way that when I laugh at Sanford or Tiger I'm not engaging in hetrophobia."

But I'm just guessing. Who knows what that crazy flenser character would have said.

Well, as a "minority" (ick) I can defend myself and dislike censorship.

I've been hit upside the head a few times here, but I can hold my own and I hate and fear censors far more than plain-vanilla 'netroot antisemites.

Posted by: TexasJew at December 08, 2009 05:35 PM (mCD5S)

A German Jew is travelling by train through Texas.  At one stop, nine very mean-looking hombres enter the train.  Their leader says "Any JEWS on this train?"  The Jew hunkers down in his seat trying hard not to be noticed.  A few moments pass and the leader asks again, "I said, ARE THERE ANY JEWS ON THIS TRAIN?"  Finally, the German Jew stands up and says, "JA! Ich bin ein Juden".  The hombre says, "Good!  We need a tenth man for our minyan".

The human brain is almost 90% fat, the same substance as whale blubber..

Posted by: TexasJew at December 08, 2009 06:01 PM (mCD5S)

ha

on the minority scale, she has two checks in the column. 100% Inuit adopted by a black military family.

What I have learned here that I can apply if I ever have a blog myself:

Apply the ban hammer like the Terrible Swift Sword from the "Battle Hymn of the Republic".  Without warning.  Or discussion.  Or justification.  Stone cold Darwinian.

Posted by: wherestherum at December 08, 2009 06:07 PM (gofDd)

Pics or GTFO

Anyway, it's just that a lot of people here seem to think it's just funny that black people are x or black people are y, and, what can I say?

It's like when people are complaining about a certain ponytailed blogger. There is plenty to complain about, but just calling him gay? True or not, who cares??

455 JD,

Hey awesome to see you....

had missed crossing paths with you.

The day Ace gets a Moogan McCain fetish and then puts her on the endangered species list is the day I go to Kos since we'll have arrived to the point the entire right blogosphere will be letting the leftoids cue the dance card.

I'm only racist toward racists and I truly hate the gay people that insist on throwing their gayness in your face (figuratively). 

Live and let live.  I'm all about everyone being happy, and I'm not a fucking hippie. 

Fuckers.

Don't be an asshole.

See there is a double-standard!  It's not my fault I stink.

I failed the test on question 2. I LOL'd at the "head full of semen" joke.

Seriously, great site Ace, look forward to it every day.

Posted by: Uniball at December 08, 2009 06:13 PM (27iEn)

pin the balls on the Thai boy

467 OhioDan,

Oddly, I have always viewed the anonymity of the web to be liberating I do not know, nor do I broadcast a lot of potential spoilers for bias.  I have shared some details loosely of who I am but there it is.  The issue seems to be that a portion of our populace has a perpetually misaligned back due to their hypersensitivity about their 'superior' role in identity politics.

*hint it ain't the folks who didn't get selected to Harvard despite horrid writing skills matching Michelle Obama's and their grades being as mediocre as Ogabe the Greatest's....

I do a lot of Keefe Dolbermann jokes- anti PETA of course.

 Got punted from Kiddie Kos and Media Mutters.

 Will i get punted here?

 Looking at a beaker of hydrochloric acid and a vial of potassium cyanide.

 I can't take censorship.

Two strands of DNA are f loating around. One of them says to the other, “Do these genes make me look fat?”

Did you hear about the red ship and the blue ship that collided?
No, what happened?
Both crews were marooned!

How did the elephant get down the tree?
I have no idea. How?
It sat on a leaf and waited for fall to come!

Why wasnÂ’t the elephant allowed on the plane?
His trunk was too big to fit under the seat!

A man comes into a hardware store and says to the salesman, “I would like a trap, and please hurry. I have to catch a bus.”
The salesman says, “I’m sorry, sir. We don’t make them that big.”

Why did the bacon laugh?
No idea. Why?
Because the egg cracked a yolk!

This little dainty white Jewish girl said, "I call my doorman N!gg3r all the time. What else am I going to do? I don't know his name."

I don't get it because there's a word that has an exclamation point and the numeral 3 in it...which renders it completely unrecognizable

A female comic -- maybe susie essman? -- was on Tough Crowd. They were talking about this very thing, why the double-standard exists, if it's okay, why rappers can use the n-word, etc.

Susie Essman is a rapper?

"There are gays and blacks "on our side." They are your allies. They are, in a fake-pretend internet way, even your friends."

YES!!!  I have friends........in a fake-pretend internet way.........Damn

485 Michael is the most passive aggressive drama queen I've ever seen that DIDN'T have a dick in his mouth.

Posted by: moron # 151322

Yer outta here, asshole

Posted by: Michael in MI at December 08, 2009 05:12 PM

It does because those groups are easily offended or will be the first to complain.. And Ace's BS about having friends and people who post here that belong to those groups is just that ....BS.  Any joke about anyone or anything can cross the line.   I'm coming out of the closet(is that offensive?) and admitting that I'm a 100% Scandi. Now if you want to talk about a group that probably should be offended by this site, it's us.  But I'm not.  I agree, I see no reason to single out those groups, and personally find it a bit too PC...which I never thought I'd say about Ace.

Good post, good post.  [Deep bow]

When will white be right?!  [Heavy sigh]

You need at least two of the following elements: Cute (as in kids and animals) Naughty Bizarre Clever Recognizable (YouÂ’ve been there) Cruel

What the "edgy" jokes are trying to do is "Cruel". What they haven't quite done is to go beyond that to Bizarre and Clever.

When we had that Tiger thread I made a comment that Tiger may or may not be into those four legged wooly things that go "baa". That's Cruel and also Bizarre, with a little Recognizable based on the stereotype of Scotsmen and the knowledge that Tiger is a poon chaser.

Whether this was funny or not depends on how much you like sheep.

Sheepfuckers.

I would assume that would be OK.  Because putting rodents up your own ass is just plain fucked up regardless of your sexual orientation.

Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at December 08, 2009 05:45 PM (IoUF1)

No doubt. If they want to impress me, they'd use a really pissed off vole. Why don't they use the ones with long tails, so they could pull 'em back out? A vole would chew its way out. Pussies.

#481 No fucker, you can't make jokes about mormons.

shitbag.

I wanted to think about this for a bit before I posted, but I find that my thoughts are still a bit scattered for a coherent response. However, in brief I will say that this is Ace's blog, and his rules apply. His forbearance in the face of trolls is greater than mine would be in similar circumstances.

Having said that, though: being offended on someone else's behalf is something I would attribute to liberal jackasses rather than stalwarts of free speech (or even good humor, as far as that goes). All humor is offensive to someone -- in fact, one of the hallmarks of sharp humor is its ability to offend. Richard Pryor and Redd Foxx spring to mind, or Chris Rock. Their humor is blatantly ethnic, often completely inappropriate, and usually hilarious.

But it is Ace's call and not mine to make, so I will abide by his ruling. I'd hate to think that people are going to muzzling their more cutting humor out of fear of getting the ban-hammer. I don't think Ace would do that...but I'm not sure any more. (Is Fawlty Towers funny? Manuel is basically a Spanish Stepinfetchit, yet I think that show is hilarious. Probably couldn't be made today.)

A relevant quote from Bradbury's Fahrenheit 451 occurs: ""Colored people don't like Little Black Sambo. Burn it. White people don't feel good about Uncle Tom's Cabin? Burn it. Someone's written a book on tobacco and cancer of the lungs? The cigarette people are weeping? Burn the book. Serenity, Montag. Peace, Montag."

498 JD,

good to hear I pushed HA's buttons 'til they banned me to show the "lines" were silly.....

it is ok for trolls to insinuate Sarah Palin  is not Trig's mother but calling First Lady Worf "Patrick Ewing's sister" is beyond the pale?

Puh-lease

without any of them even examining the comment in question.

See my suggestion at 392.

Ace, you've got a lot of late arrivals asking "WTF is the hubbub, bub?"

Hell, even I missed that thread ... but I have the luxury of knowing what you were talking about since this about the bazillionth time you've had to do this.

Newer readers aren't so lucky.

A German Jew is travelling by train through Texas. At one stop, nine very mean-looking hombres enter the train. Their leader says "Any JEWS on this train?" The Jew hunkers down in his seat trying hard not to be noticed. A few moments pass and the leader asks again, "I said, ARE THERE ANY JEWS ON THIS TRAIN?" Finally, the German Jew stands up and says, "JA! Ich bin ein Juden". The hombre says, "Good! We need a tenth man for our minyan".

Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at December 08, 2009 06:04 PM (IoUF1)

A Texan Jew moves to California for work, and his office mates quickly learn that "everything is bigger in Texas!" One day, Tex comes in and hands out cigars. "Congratulate me, boys," he booms, "I'm a granddaddy! Little Joshua weighed in at 14 pounds, 12 ounces."

"Big baby, there, Tex," one of his co-workers comments.

"Son, everything is bigger in Texas!"

A couple of weeks later, the co-worker asks how little Joshua is.

"He's fit and feisty," says Tex. "And already up to 13 pounds!"

"But Tex," the co-worker smiles, "you said he was born at more than 14 and a half pounds!"

"Well, son," Tex explains, "at eight days, little Jewish boys get circumcised!"

#523 " this is an offensive blog overall "

fuck you with a feces covered jackhammer, douchenozzle.

Posted by: stuiec at December 08, 2009 06:25 PM (Ate22)

Your joke made my penis laugh.

Any joke about anyone or anything can cross the line.   I'm coming out of the closet(is that offensive?) and admitting that I'm a 100% Scandi. Now if you want to talk about a group that probably should be offended by this site, it's us.  But I'm not.  I agree, I see no reason to single out those groups, and personally find it a bit too PC...which I never thought I'd say about Ace.  Posted by: Deanna

Monty, you sure are investing a shitload of value in one-second vent-posts.

Perhaps. But no more so than you are, apparently.

Look, I don't want to get into a pissing match with you -- particularly since I agree wholeheartedly with about 95% of what you say, and what this site is about. It's why I post here. I'm a guest in your house; I'll abide by your rules.

No, but there are occasional mean-spirited things said about Christians and people of other faiths here.

I don't here Ace saying that that is a good thing. What I said at 370 and Ace said at 480 is that similar things don't happen as much, so he didn't make a point of them.

Look, I have a gay friend, and yes, I can say certain things to him that I could not say to a gay dude I barely knew. Because he would know (most of the time; sometimes I err) that what i am saying is intended with good humor, a little chops-busting.

The gay guy i barely know would not.

Know in the Biblical sense?  Inquiring minds want to know!  'Cause all those posts read like foreplay.

#523 " this is an offensive blog overall "

fuck you with a feces covered jackhammer, douchenozzle.

Great.  I dropped my cucumber sandwich and chamomile tea

A German Jew is travelling by train through Texas.  At one stop, nine very mean-looking hombres enter the train.  Their leader says "Any JEWS on this train?"  The Jew hunkers down in his seat trying hard not to be noticed.  A few moments pass and the leader asks again, "I said, ARE THERE ANY JEWS ON THIS TRAIN?"  Finally, the German Jew stands up and says, "JA! Ich bin ein Juden".  The hombre says, "Good!  We need a tenth man for our minyan".

Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at December 08, 2009 06:04 PM (IoUF1)

It's funny because it's clean.

Posted by: Ignatz Mouse at December 08, 2009 05:14 PM (uHvsp)

And that's an example of a topic I would never talk about even though it's a running joke around here---because I'm black.   Because it would be perceived differently coming from me.

Posted by: stuiec at December 08, 2009 06:25 PM (Ate22)

LOL!  I'll remember that one.

-GATORADE drops Tiger drink...

All Tiger Woods Ads Withdrawn by Marketers From Prime-Time...

Whoa.

And that's an example of a topic I would never talk about even though it's a running joke around here---because I'm black.

What? When did this happen? Why was I not informed?

Leno had a good one last week. Letterman used some self-depriciating humor last night talking about Tiger. I'm sure he'll be back at it tonight. From Leno last week:

Tiger : I've been less then perfect

Leno: Lets see, he is worth almost a billion dollars, plays golf all day and has half a dozen cocktail waitresses on the side. Sounds perfect to me.

As humorous and sardonic as this blog is, I think it is a powerhouse of witty and insighful knowledge.  I'd hate to see the credibility compromised by racism and hompohobia.   

Posted by: syn at December 08, 2009 06:38 PM (IlCz1)

Anyone who has had to experience Madonna's poofter up close should be excused for going insane. The horror! The horror!

ace,  i think you will be fair to others in the future who have problems with certain things based on the premise you used on this post for banning, i know its a balancing act, maintaining the funny shit talking bathroom humor (or saying what most people are thinking) and serious legit converstation that has merit and then controlling the tone so that it does not end up as stall wall comments that Senator Wide Shit Stance read while waiting on his next trick.  I would hate to see this site get to clinical or sterile, there's only one AOSHQ there are dozens of those other types of sites.

ome of my best friends are people.

I notice Ace didn't say anything about Jewish jokes. I get your drift Ace, wink , wink.

 The message came through loud and clear

Posted by: Ben at December 08, 2009 06:42 PM (bftbi)

So, like most 25 year-olds who can't spell, you voted for Obama?

Why affirmative-action status for only a couple or so groups? My kid is "developmentaly disabled." Should I be offended by the "tard" jokes, or is that still PC?

"Yeah, like anyone's going to ask a plastic surgeon to give them a broad nose like black women have!!!"

You're getting waaaaarmer, Ace.

Now how about putting that up in the post as Exhibit A of precisely the kind of "joke" that gets one banned and precisely who said it ... instead of burying it down at comment 562?

I'm tired of being told that everyone should just "grow a thicker skin."

NO. I like nice people and I don't like assholes.

I don't like assholes.

I don't associate with them in real life and I would like to keep my association with them on the internet to be as limited as I can, too.

There is NO REASON TO BE AN ASSHOLE.

We all have lapses. And sometimes we can't help it.

But i am tired of this generalized defense of assholery as if it has positive value.

Can I agree with that sentiment without actually holding myself to that standard, because if I could, that would be great!

NO. I like nice people and I don't like assholes.

You learn more from the assholes, though. "Nice" people, in my experience, tend to say nice, safe, inoffensive, and pretty uninteresting things. Assholes are wrong 90% of the time, but the other 10% can provide much illumination. Smart, insightful people are often jerks -- Richard Feynman and Robert Oppenheimer come to mind.* It's a question of your judgement, not theirs. I would expect (and applaud) a bannination of neo-nazis or people who hate blacks -- not because they're prejudiced (who among us is not in some way?) but because they're boring. Tedious. Very tedious. Dumb as stumps, too, mostly.

I guess I just don't think that being "nice" is all that positive a character trait. Opinions vary.

*Or the Nazi sympathizer Heidegger, or even Nietszche, both of whom were world-class assholes...but were also very interesting.

I smell macaroni and cheese when there isn't any around.

Please send help.

that used to happen to me in college. Have you changed your underwear in the past 4 days?

I fully admit that there can and might be a racist or homophobic joke that is both offensive and yet SO FUCKING FUNNY as to justify itself.

...This was the supposed justification for gawdawful The Aristocrats.

I kept hearing how fucking funny it was. I watched it for about 15 minutes...with nary a chuckle.

Just cuz they're professionals doesn't automtaically make it funny

Posted by: Slippery Slope at December 08, 2009 06:44 PM (gbCNS)

It appears that making fun of people who are actually helpless through no fault of their own is much funnier than making fun of normal people who are just stupidly irresponsible.

NO. I like nice people and I don't like assholes.

It also depends on what constitutes an asshole.

Nice people do nice things. Assholes do assholish things.

If you screw your buddies girlfriend you're an asshole.

If you tell your buddy he's a putz and has horrible taste in women and his girlfriend is screwing around on him and he deserves it for being such a damn putz, and also a slobbish fatass with bad teeth, you're just making an anecdotal observation. Like "The sky is blue" or "I went to the store last Tuesday."

I am often convinced I was the only child in the entire modern world who was taught that sticks and stones could break their bones, but words can never hurt them.

Moderation blows.

Not my point at all. I like AosHQ because the signal-to-noise ratio is very high. It is frequented by very smart and well-informed people who are also prone to vulgarity and silly humor -- a sign of good balance, in my opinion. But it's the sort of place where commenting sometimes pushes against the bounds of good taste (and, let's face it, sometimes runs across that line and several hundred yards beyond). I just don't want to lose that -- it would be a shame.

Leave Michael in MI alone!

Leave him alone!

Sun Tzu - if your enemy is quick to anger, seek to provoke them.

Do not give other people the power to drive you into irrational anger on command.

It is not a moral strength. It's an emotional weakness.

Posted by: chad at December 08, 2009 06:55 PM (WNcvq)

Be nice.

It's funny because it's clean.

Posted by: TexasJew at December 08, 2009 06:33 PM (mCD5S)

No, it's funny because it sets up an expectation and then turns it on its head.

HERE'S a joke that's funny because it's (technically) clean.

A German tourist is on a train through the English countryside looking for an open seat. He finds a compartment with three Englishmen playing cards.

"May I join you fellows?" he asks.

"Certainly," says an Englishman. "So long as you play poker."

"I very much enjoy it," the German says, taking the open seat.

"Splendid! I'm Hancock," says the Englishman, "and this is Babcock, and over there is Woodcock."

The German gets up and says, sadly, "I don't think I should play with you fellows. You see, I'm Kuntz."

585 Posted by: Michael in MI at December 08, 2009 06:36 PM (ObTcs)

Do you even read your own blog? All you do is whine about Ace. Stop being such a baby when you get called out on it.

Yeah, whait a minute. Didn't you storm off in a huff and say you weren't coming back?

Well...?

Though, hell, Monty may hate me.  I just would prefer to pretend otherwise.

Now, now -- my unrequited love for you is a historical fact. I pine from afar. (Naked pictures of yourself would do a lot to assuage the pain in my soul, though.)

This is a fascinating thread/conversation.  I admire Ace for wading into what he must have been a 600-comment morass in order to try to explain his position, and then to flesh it out/defend it.

FWIW, I'm a gay dude.  Read this site religiously, and love it.  Very seldom offended by anything I read in the comments.  I'll admit to sometimes checking the comments to Gabe's posts with morbid fascination.  Most responses, even those makin fun of Gabe and having gay content, are meant in fun and not to offend him.  Sometimes, though, the posts obviously mean to suggest that Gabe ought not to be posting here, because he and other gays are illegitimate either as conservative/libertarians or as people generally.  It's not hard to tell the difference between the two categories.  The latter category both general good manners and Ace's explicit rules reject.  As they should.

As I think Ace has made clear:  if you justify your joke by claiming "this is aimed at the behavior that identifies and is concomitant with gay male sexuality, and condemns that behavior, and is only funny in its condemnation, but isn't offensive because it denigrates the behavior rather than the actor," then the "joke" is likely to misfire.  That's an easy rule to follow, even if one disagrees with its premise.

That said, it also kind of cracks me up when, e.g., Gabe posts about recipes on Thanksgiving Day, or about his favorite show tunes.  Little on the nose there, buddy.  I don't see how anyone, including him, could be offended by a joke, even an only-mildy-amusing joke, pointing this out.  It would be painfully hypersensitive to object.

As for the racial jokes:  if it's a modern day version of black face, it's just old and boring and offensive.  If it's not a joke about race, but rather about the individual features of an individual person (i.e., Lt. Wharf jokes), then it's not racial, right?  Again, pretty easy standard.

Anyway:  kudos to you, Ace.  You have a startling amount of patience.

I think we could close the book on this.  Can I ask on favor of everyone?  Let's have Ace decide what he does and doesn't like?  The last thing we need is a bunch of weasels running around telling on people.  That was the beginning of the end for charles johnson, who is a douchebag by the way.  We are still allowed to attack him, right?

he is shelling out the 100,000 dollars for bandwith.

Wow, go shopping and you miss all the action here. I will mind my P’s and Q’s because I’d hate to be banhammered, this place is my “Cheers.”

Wait!

Combine Bust of Churchill @196 with Z Ryan's comic strip = GOLD baby!

So I can go back to making matzohs with Christian babies' blood?

Coooolll!

Posted by: syn at December 08, 2009 07:01 PM (IlCz1)

Mockery and ridicule?  My dear, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

(Now when Barry Humphries does it as Dame Edna, that's mocking and ridiculing -- not women in general, but the classism of the British as seen by the Aussies.)

Therefore, since brevity is the soul of wit,
And tediousness the limbs and outward flourishes,
I will be brief. Your noble son is mad. . . .

Hamlet Act 2, scene 2, 86–92

Posted by: stuiec at December 08, 2009 07:01 PM (Ate22)

That joke needs more Wookies..

Why affirmative-action status for only a couple or so groups? My kid is "developmentaly disabled." Should I be offended by the "tard" jokes, or is that still PC?

Ace:

"I find your willingness to stand up to anti-black and anti-gay bigotry you are never actually the target of eminently commendable"

wait...

what?

OK I see the name baldilocks in the comment threads all the time but I have never put together any sort of mental picture of her(?).  Who is she(?) and why do people stop with their nonsense when she(?) is in the thread.

It's about respect. R-E-S-P-E-C-T.

So I can go back to making matzohs with Christian babies' blood?  Coooolll!  Posted by: Dalton

Dalton?  THE Dalton?  You can do anything you want!  Even tear out a man's throat.

nm.  I had to read it 6 times.  Damn u and your lack of the comma

sounds like a reasonable policy imo. funny = OK,

nasty? not so much

Why don't we make this the ONT?

Lots of "sharing" going on, and now with Michael in MI, it's almost like being there!

Nice try though.

I have many more wiles to try on you. I am not a man who retreats after a minor tactical reverse.

Dalton?  THE Dalton?  You can do anything you want!  Even tear out a man's throat.

Posted by: Z Ryan at December 08, 2009 07:09 PM (cMo6P)

No, it's my damn sockpuppet.

I'm still sitting shiva for Patrick Swayze.

Why the focus only on Blacks and homosexuals?

Because they're interrelated in a way. Even if you go out of your way to be kind to one group, you'll end up being unkind to the other. Let me demonstrate:

Start with a proposition that's pro-gay. Simply articulate the gay-rights advocates' position that committed, exclusive, same-sex relationships ought to be deemed equal to that of a married couple. A major benefit of this recognition is that one member of such a couple can be included on the other's health insurance. There may be other items on these advocates' agenda, but in regards to their health insurance, they'd likely not want to change anything once this objective is achieved. Now, do you know what we call people who are pleased with their arrangements with their health insurers and don't want to make any changes to their coverage?

Pro-slavery.

Holy crap, my last post was #666! Demons OUT!

Posted by: Warden at December 08, 2009 07:11 PM (bkkYX)

Sorry - if it's funny, you can't say it.

I have many more wiles to try on you. I am not a man who retreats after a minor tactical reverse.

 Alexthechick, I suspect you are about to get 'The Full Monty'. Hooboy.

If everyone viewed every other online presence as a possible friend instead of a possible enemy.  Well, It'd be a lot different, wouldn't it?

STFU

_{(that's a joke)}

Posted by: Michael in MI at December 08, 2009 07:13 PM (ObTcs)

Oh come on!

We miss you on the ONT!

So in a nut shell, there is a line and don't cross the line.

I can live with that.

Philosophically I can see where Entropy's coming from, but in practice I'll grant that it looks weak for straight white guys (like me) to bitch about how unfair the world's double standards are, even if we're right about it.   No matter how put upon we might feel we are, there are a shitload of folks on our outside looking in that would love to be this "persecuted."

Maybe I'm growing soft, but I can see the point to some of the punditry (from our own side - and no, not Frum and his ilk) that has called for the Right to sound more like Reagan and less like Wallace when it comes to talking about liberal policies - optimism, unity and empowerment vs. anger, victimhood and secessionism.  I still buy into the tradition of Lincoln and it's cringe-worthy to see Obama and the race-baiting, welfare-state-plantation-owners of the Democractic Party laying claim to Lincoln's legacy while some ostensible right-wingers crack racist and fag "jokes" (aka slurs) and talk about secession.  The Democrats stole the race/minority issue in the 60's and we're never going to take it back by feeding our own negative press, no matter how unjust the accusations or how pure our own thoughts might be.

Yes, it pisses me off to self-police, since political invective's one of my guilty pleasures (much love for Coulter even when she's deliberately throwing bombs), but it's not too much to ask - in order to present myself and my views, and those I share them with, in a fair and accurate light instead of handing some troll ammunition to bomb my side. 

While this place still makes me laugh my ass off, it's not just Ace's facebook where everyone knows each other and can just goof off without worrying about how it looks to others.  I can understand people missing that atmosphere here (I lurked for quite awhile before I posted), but politics takes the fun out of most everything.   That's why we want as little of it as possible in our lives - a goal worth sacrificing the occasional Teh Funny for.

Lots of "sharing" going on, and now with Michael in MI, it's almost like being there!

Posted by: TexasJew at December 08, 2009 07:10 PM (mCD5S)

Just add stompy boots and bacon. Shake well.

Posted by: ace at December 08, 2009 05:07 PM (jlvw3)

I wrote an op-ed that was published in the San Francisco Examiner back in the mid-'90s on how the politically correct Left constantly harangued everyone about the evils of homophobia, yet blithely bandied about the term "it sucks."  I pointed out that using "it sucks" to demean someone or something reflected the fact that, despite the effort to make everyone internalize "not that there's anything wrong with that," American society still held the deeply ingrained view that there is definitely something wrong and degrading about that.

But when you think about it, "cocksucker" ought to be considered high praise. People (male or female) who suck cock are willing to do something nice for someone else, no matter what other people may think. Shouldn't we honor such selfless spreaders of joy?

(And let's not get started on how, whenever someone disliked by the Left is charged with criminal wrongdoing, the Leftists gleefully gloat over the prospect of his being raped in prison. That's wrong on so very many levels.)

570 actually i think 2 is funny because I am 25 and just realized that's how you spell semen.

Posted by: Ben at December 08, 2009 06:42 PM (bftbi)

So, like most 25 year-olds who can't spell, you voted for Obama?

No, it's just that I don't use the word semen in my everyday writing, let alone any personal writing. To be honest I don't think i've ever written the word before. It's a word I have said and used in a joke, but not something that appears in my reading material or writing. That's all.  For the life of me I thought it was spelled seaman, like the sailor. Why? I don't know, but I did.

Also, I don't tell edgy jokes here, but I will be wholly honest and say i do find homosexuality or certain homosexual acts to be funny. I don't dislike homosexuals, but I can find the act humorous. If that makes me some sort of bigot then so be it. I am not into the old fashioned "black" humor, I don't find historically racial jokes funny, but I feel as though there is a difference between black and gay jokes. Black is not a physical act, the act of homosexuality is. So, I feel I am justified in laughing at an act someone chooses to participate in, and if a homosexual wanted to make a joke about a heterosexual act, i would be consistent and not give them a hard time. Even if we are born gay or straight, we are not born in the missionary position or giving reach arounds, those are voluntary choices we make and I think are fair game to be mocked.For example, when we refer to Andrew Sullivan as "power gluts", it is clearly aimed at his homosexuality, but it's considered acceptable.

I am not arguing with Ace' premise that there is in fact a "line" where are joke is edgey and funny, therefore acceptable, and where a joke is not funny and tasteless. While humor, like beauty, s in the eye of the beholder, I think there probably in an accepted line that differentiatesAoSHQ from sites like DailyKos, Stormfront, or some Antiwhite sites that I am sure exist.

Also, if your gay or black, I give you full reign to make jewish pollock jokes. I don't want anyone banned because of my sensibilities.

Ace,

Good on you for doing this. I know it's hard for many to determine when someone crosses the line. I am strict about it. Very strict.

I like humor as much as the next guy, and I'm not at all the prude I seem to be, but I have winced many times reading the comments here.

I defend Republicans all the time against being racist and gay bashers.  Let's not let those who don't understand when they have crossed the line define us.

Posted by: Disgusted at December 08, 2009 07:07 PM (C39a6)

Question: Why are you s"trolling through the Folsom Street Fair"?

Just curious.

Yeah, whait a minute. Didn't you storm off in a huff and say you weren't coming back?

 Well...?

homophobic.? Where did that come from?  I have some gay friends too and always have, but I deeply resent their makeover of western civilization, and as a Christian I dissapprove of their "sexual orientation" and all of them know it.  But when they are so threatening and hostile that people are afraid to tell the truth when asked, like Miss USA, they have crossed the line and deserve some kind of retribution, I don't know what.

As for blacks, no one dares speak the fact that so much has been taken from white people over such a long time.  In my Uber-Liberal job they are superheroes because they are black and all white people in this country today let them get away with unbelieveable shit becasuse they're afaid of them -  and Goddammit ACE you know it!

As for me, I hate Moslems most of all because they are slowly strangling the western world and they are becoming really contemptous and snotty to whites because they know we are scared of them in our own country! 

I can't say I blame any of them.  Liberalism has made us weak and stupid beyond redemption and I fear we have lost for good.

ACE your second grade jokes are not funny, but neither is your becoming a part of the problem instead of the soloution.

Color me divorced from reality I guess I just see most blog posters as asexual grey blobs in my mind.

you wouldn't be too far off in that assumption.

At 548 comments it seems to me that it's actually time for the banning to start.  I know which two I would start with. 

For the love of god, why does no one want to name the people they're talking about?

Of course I must argue with you. You're calling for 2 people (to be named at a later date) to be banned. For all I know you're trying to ban Kratos. I like Kratos. You leave Kratos alone!

Who are you Barack Obama? Just pass the bill, we'll write it later.

You hate these supremacist assholes and want them banned, but what... you're being nice? Don't want to say it to their face because.... they might get offended?

If that's how nice you are, you probably want me banned too. I'm not nice to anyone on either of the internets.

http://tinyurl.com/2w5bv8

Ace,

"1) Obama is the first president to turn the Rose Garden into the Watermelon Patch."

Isn't this your sterotype? If mentioning Watermelon in the same sentence with a Mulatto man strikes you the wrong way, doesn't mean it is racist or rude. Some people may not share your sterotypes.

Ok, Ace if I've offended anyone living or dead I apologize.

From now on I'll restrict myself to making fun of Amish Eskimo's and Pregnant Nuns. Wait....don't wanna offend any Catholics. Hell, I married one. But the Amish Eskimo's...fair game damnit! FAIR GAME!!!

Posted by: Sep at December 08, 2009 06:58 PM (hzSZM)

How much functional distance separates pierogi and gyoza, anyhow?

Or for that matter, anyone on AOL, Prodigy, or Compuserve for that matter.

It's the Information Superhighway of Hate.

with or without benefits?

WITHOUT! Trust me I kn...Wait....Polly you say your name is?

WITH! With!

It's mandatory. Promotes bonding and unit cohesion.

Call me?

At 548 comments it seems to me that it's actually time for the banning to start.  I know which two I would start with. 

For the love of god, why does no one want to name the people they're talking about?

Of course I must argue with you. You're calling for 2 people (to be named at a later date) to be banned. For all I know you're trying to ban Kratos. I like Kratos. You leave Kratos alone!

I am curious as to the people and comments as well. I know I will be called clueless, but since I have a job i don't get to read every comment in every thread and have no idea whats going on or what was said.

Ace,

If it's not clear, I'm not playing some ghey, coy game with my suggestion to publicly & explicitly document bannable "jokes." I simply hate ambiguity.

Just because I agree with that discrete part of Entropy's input does not mean I'm participating in whatever kabuki dance you two have tangled over in the past. I could give a fuck.

It just bugs me that you go to great lengths to vividly describe bannable behavior ... without actually identifying it. Just trying to save you some grief down the line.

#728 -

Your comment offends us.

Because I have been around it, I can tell the difference between intelligent humor, and simple racist hatred. Stereotypes are true..generalizations are not. I think the entire issue is way complicated. I have educated friends and family that think there is a racist in every corner, and under every rug. But whose fault is that? I don't blame anyone but the culture that has birthed this. There have been some comments, on other blogs, that did make me cringe. But in the last year of discovery. I understand where the frustration is coming from, and where most of the racism lies. Someone made a comment earlier that spoke to something I am passionaely angry about. The black community wants to hold every other culture hsotage when it comes to political correctness/racism, but does nothing about the hatred that comes from each other. Music is mainly what I'm talking about. I really enjoy this site, and the comments are usually the icing on the cake.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at December 08, 2009 05:49 PM (zmiSr)

It was blazer. But we're friends now.

I let him suck my cock.

Posted by: TexasJew at December 08, 2009 05:52 PM (mCD5S)

I lusted in my heart!

Ace:  you also have to ask yourself why people keep coming to this place.  And why.  No one thinks you run a racists, anti-gay blog man.  Really.  No one, except maybe the race baiters. 

I mean... really.  No one. ffs this post and all its replies are pretty much a total waste of time.  Just do what you do.  the Monors will police themselves.  Have faith that your readership is diverse enough to defend itself.  Seriously.

721.

Ace,

As I said, i don't normally tell edgy jokes here, but i reserve the right to laugh at what i find funny. In my personaly life, like most conservatives, i base my judgement on an individuals merit reguardless of what they are or choice to stick what whereever, however I can find it funny.

Also, "I mean, why tell them that? If there is a point to it -- if I am seriously endeavoring to cure him of his wicked sodomanical behavior, then I guess I have to. "

You are missing the point on that one. I am not very religious and i don't see gays a evil or against gods will, i just as a pretty secular human find certain actions of theirs funny in the same way

this isn't like arguing with a liberal where you try not to offend them because that is not a good way to convince them to come to your side. I don't want gays to be not gay. I don't care what they choose to do in the bedroom. I really don't, good for them. I just find certain aspects of it humorous. Not in the way that I am saying, "you stupid fag"way , but more in a "you do what? and put what where? are you fucking kidding?"way. Its more the absurdity of it(to me) that I find funny.

Also, I am straight and I antique, if other straight people find that act funny then great.

ace, its kind of hard to tell if you took issue with what i said, or if you were busting my balls.  i was not trying to bust your balls.  who and why or what you ban is your thing, i will keep coming here until i get banned or feel that i can't speak my mind or you stop posting.  its a great site, and you don't really have to defend what you do on your site to me.  I appreciate it though, i think its the first time you ever responded to one of my posts, i just hope it was not out of anger because you you took what i wrote the wrong way.

Posted by: syn at December 08, 2009 07:25 PM (IlCz1)

Incorrect reading.  Alexthechick infers that what goes on at the Folsom Street Fair goes "way way too far," but her point is that the Folsom Street Fair is not in itself proof that "gheys... deserve a red hot heap of bashing."  And whaddya know, the Folsom Street Fair has its share of straight and bi and "other" fetishists, in addition to gays.

My take on the Folsom Street Fair is that the sidewalk of a city street is not the appropriate venue for that celebration of "we're all consenting adults here" behaviors -- given that non-consenting adults should have the right to use the city sidewalks as well.  But the bigger issue is that one of the epicenters of the HIV epidemic should be and should have always been more "repressive" about risky sex -- only, see, because the entire gay rights movement in San Francisco equated moral disapproval of gay and kinky sex with the threat of total repression of gays' right to exist, there was never any political will to act decisively to regulate public displays of sexuality.

The sad fact of San Francisco gay politics is that local politicians quickly learned that they would be punished for advocating anti-HIV policies that might be seen as "pushing gays back in the closet," but if they promoted near-useless anti-HIV policies while expressing deepest sympathy for the burgeoning number of AIDS patients, they got rewarded at the ballot box.

Can I at least point out the unintentionally hilarity of the title of this post?

"Banhamer Coming Out"

It is the leap from "there are those who are gay who are offensive" to "all gays must be bashed because some gays are offensive" that's idiotic. 

Yep. Is not good.

I get a tiny bit mildly annoyed that "Ivy League" has become a term of disparagement. Yes, some people are assholes, but not all assholes are people. No, wait, that wasn't my point. Some of the people can be assholes some of the time, but all of the assholes are...Ah, forget it. I blame the French.

Yeah -- speakin for all gay conservatives everywhere, we all loathe now-a-days Andy Sullivan with a white, hot (careful!) contempt, too.  In fact, particularly.  He's a supreme douche.

I read recently some New York or New Yorker or something article that suggested that something like 50 percent of people with HIV who live more than X years suffer some sort of serious mental disturbances/disorders.  In all seriousness, one must wonder:  he went off the deep end pretty all-of-a-sudden about five years ago ... .

On the one hand, I agree with you to a certain extent. But on the other hand, my instinct is to challenge you on your comments if only because it took you 40 loony, tedious, redundant and monotous paragraphs to say what a rational person could have said here in two small pargraphs, which tells me that you were being politcally correct and that you were neither sincere, nor sober, nor lucid when you were babbling away with that goofy gibberish that you just posted here. 

That's the bad news, champ. The good news is that I have a perverse sense of humor. So I got a good chuckle out of your goofy comments.  

BTW, would I be expressing my free speech rights here if I irreverently said, up yours? Or would that make me a racist or an anti-Semite or a homophobe by your logic?

lauraw, respectfully, "morons" and "tards" IS highly offensive and hateful to the other parents I know. Not to be lib-mooshy, but I've seen it bring them to tears. And I would never direct them to this blog, not having a tough hide like I do. My only point is that there are ALL KINDS of special groups with special sensitivities. Singling out those with PC status is, frankly, a tool that the left uses, and I hate to see the freedom of speech on this blog compromised with leftist tools. It's political expediency, pure and simple. That said, yeah, Ace can do as he wants.

Posted by: ace at December 08, 2009 07:49 PM (jlvw3)

I'm not quite sure I can explain what it's like to be in a forum where, when I state that I'm a female bisexual conservative, the response is we're interested in your ideas and would like to subscribe to your newsletter rather than being told that I don't exist.  It's fantastic.

if you are interested in people liking you ideas then why announce you are a bi-sexual conservative unless you want people to comment on it? Again i don't care waht you do in your life, but it seems like announcing it is asking for attention or comments, especially when the internet gives you the opportunity to talk about your ideas on major, or minor, isssues from behind a veil?

Philosophically I can see where Entropy's coming from, but in practice I'll grant that it looks weak for straight white guys (like me) to bitch about how unfair the world's double standards are, even if we're right about it. 

Nah.  I ainÂ’t bitching about nothing. ButÂ… You buy into the narrative dude. Ace's argument was a straw man that was rather unfair to whomever he responded to.

Black people or homos making fun of white people and straights? No, it was reduction ad absurdum and it is indeed ridiculous. But itÂ’s an unfair caricature.

The fact is there are dozens, dozens of Christians on this site who got rather offended by the crude language or explicitness of some posts. But not only does no one care if you offend them, you actually get pissed at them. Not only do we not cater to them, we pretty much regard them as unreasonable and demanding when they complain about cussing or showing skin, donÂ’t we?

IÂ’m not saying we should stop (read Farenheit 451 - you CAN'T NOT offend ANYONE). Hell IÂ’m not going to stop.

“looks weak” is about perception.

However it may ‘look’ what is is what is.

ItÂ’s not just the ChristiansÂ…. Many will bash mormons.

Many will bash Scientologists. I will bash scientologists. TheyÂ’re mostly white and rich. They deserve it. TheyÂ’re looney tunes. However IÂ’m sure this offends them.

No matter how put upon we might feel we are, there are a shitload of folks on our outside looking in that would love to be this "persecuted."

Well of course there are. That statement applies to every “minority” group in the US. Not just white males… who like I said…. If you insist white males are only classified as white males you’re being purposely obtuse.

It's a straw man... I'm not complaining my white ass is persecuted.

White males (and all human beings) also self-identify in other ways in which they may find themselves in a minority and may find themselves “persecuted” by… people not universally liking them.

But that is life.

You should have SEEN the invective hurled at me for trashing the Beatles on one of those stupid ‘OMGOMGOMG NEW release of re-re-re-remastered 30 year old material!!’ posts.

And guess what – if you like the beatles you suck and I hate you. Your taste sucks and you should die. Facts are facts. Deal with it Susy.

None of which is to say some people don't cross the line with sheer tedium or invective. It is in fact so that after 5000 threadjacks Cristoph got banned for anti-Christian comments.

You got people posting "Hang the n*!" or something, ban them.

But as governing principles, the idea of "just don't say anything that will offend someone" is literally impossible, and the idea of "just don't say anything that will offend some blacks or gays", while of dubious and debatable possibility, is rather atrocious.

Everybody better be really funny from here on out.

can we ban the use of the phrase "my comments weren't directed at.."

It strikes me as similar to the "it's just a joke" line people are hiding behind

Posted by: Ben at December 08, 2009 08:02 PM (bftbi)

Exactly. It's not like I announce that I suck cocks in the bathroom of the Greyhound station every Thursday night from 7 to 9. Bitch needs to keep her shit private like I do.

Same basic rule for anybody. It's just that in the cases of these two groups, I have noticed the ratio of "good humored jokes" to "angry ill humored non-jokes" to be becoming a bit too low for my liking.

I think that you need to shout that again and again. Above the post update or something.

Ace, have you cleared your new editorial policy with Laptop Battery guy yet? I think I'm safe in saying that he speaks for ME, in that way only he can.

Posted by: Ben at December 08, 2009 08:02 PM (bftbi)

Exactly. It's not like I announce that I suck cocks in the bathroom of the Greyhound station every Thursday night from 7 to 9. Bitch needs to keep her shit private like I do.

Ok, i don't agree with you, but that should go without saying.

All i was saying is that the internet is the perfect vehicle for someone to discuss their ideas without identifying their personal preferences, race, sexuality, religions, etc. By openly stating something about yourself, then being dismayed people then talk about it seems to be kind of lame to me. If you were solely interested in what people think of your ideas and not what they think of who you choose to sleep with, then stick to the anonymity the internet allows for.

Posted by: ace at December 08, 2009 07:49 PM (jlvw3)

Posted by: Joe the Biden at December 08, 2009 07:59 PM (sYxEE)

Yeah, but they don't read the blog. As long as Slippery doesn't explain to her kid what's going on in here, we should be OK.
Hahahaha!

Seriously, if we stop picking on 'tards that is only going to encourage wiserbud to comment here more frequently.

"1) Obama is the first president to turn the Rose Garden into the Watermelon Patch."

If I wasn't told this was "supposedly" a joke, I would have never guessed.  In case you missed it, "watermellon" is "the" name for green (eco-weenie) on the outside and red (Marxist) on the inside.  Fits tree huggin' ObaMaoist to a "T".

Now I'm very afraid.  The Left has always been the self proclaimed ultimate arbiter and final judge as to what's acceptable speech/jokes/PC.  Has the "Right" now decided to impose their own PC, after looking into our souls/hearts, to divine what we meant?  I don't "hang" enough to know any specific examples to have set Ace off, but the one I've mentioned above truly scares me. 

Maybe this country really needs a third party.  One not so judgemental.

Posted by: alexthechick at December 08, 2009 08:07 PM (rfBP3)

How about putting the barrel in your mouth and sucking it? Enough of your whining. Oh poor wittle slit licker, feeling like the "Man" is keeping her in the closet. Zip It Bitch.

Ace learns about reaping what you sow amazing

And guess what – if you like the beatles you suck and I hate you. Your taste sucks and you should die. Facts are facts. Deal with it Susy.

You see what I did there? I, in my typically phallocentric worldview, find it derogative to call men Susy. Because it implies they are women, and women are pussies.

They're scared of spiders and shit and don't know how to build a brush shelter and won't eat the perfectly good crate of 50 bags of potato chips I pulled out of the dumpster just because they expired a year and half ago.

You try telling them Jalepeno Crunchers can't really expire and you ate 6 bags already and you're not dead yet, but it's like they won't listen to logic.

However there are feminists named Susy who take great umbrage at this.

I don't care.

You can't not eoffend everyone. So when someone tells me they are offended, I say, tough shit Sally. There's always one (and sometimes 15).

Holy Shit, what happened to stir up this hornet's nest today? I worked late, and just started checking these thread comments.  

alexthechick, thanks for for representing us "invisible" conservagay morons (see what I just coined there?) so well. I agree with what you said 100% 

How about putting the barrel in your mouth and sucking it? Enough of your whining. Oh poor wittle slit licker, feeling like the "Man" is keeping her in the closet. Zip It Bitch.

Posted by: Allah Pund It In My Ass at December 08, 2009 08:11 PM (IU2SP)

Address, cunt.  You don't talk to her like that.

Posted by: alexthechick at December 08, 2009 08:09 PM (rfBP3)

Congrats, now tell me what it would be like if you and your hawt girlfriend were co-babysitting me and my parents were not coming home for hours, and I was bad. So very very bad.

I mean I'm just curious in an academic sort of way and not like I'm completely naked with your face book page on my 72" plasma TV.

That would be creepy.