December 22, 2009
— Purple Avenger In a "correction" letter sent to Dingy Harry, the CBO director lets the cat out of the bag regarding claimed Medicare savings.
...Medicare spending per beneficiary under the legislation would increase at an average annual rate of roughly 2 percent during the next two decades—well below the roughly 4 percent annual growth rate of the past two decades. It is unclear whether such a reduction in the growth rate could be achieved, and if so, whether it would be accomplished through greater efficiencies in the delivery of health care or would reduce access to care or diminish the quality of care....I really pity the CBO analysts who are forced to work within a framework of magical thinking when they do all this scoring stuff.
Obviously seniors are thrilled with prospect of long waiting lists and substandard care, and you should be too. Less is more in the magic kingdom of Ogabeland.
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Kitten FIGHT!
Posted by: Lawrence O'Donnell at December 22, 2009 08:38 AM (GtYrq)
If our health care is going to be crap and we are going to have Death Panels the least they could do it always us to self medicate and smoke and drink ourselves to an early death.
You know, just like the English are now.
Posted by: Rocks at December 22, 2009 08:38 AM (Q1lie)
Counterbalancing it is a 1% chance that the Red Chinese will nuke us into radioactive dust for welching on our debts to them, prior to our actual use of the medical care.
THAT's why the "might" is in there.
Posted by: Keith Arnold at December 22, 2009 08:39 AM (Jdtsu)
Posted by: John Galt at December 22, 2009 08:40 AM (F/4zf)
Posted by: thirteen28 at December 22, 2009 08:41 AM (s8N54)
The graphic is pretty simple. Show one trend line of Medicare funding growing at a 4% rate bending flatter to reflect a 2% growth rate. And overlay that with a healthcare cost inflation curve simultaneously bending UP to reflect the increase in costs due to the provisions of Obama/Reid/PelosiCare.
Then illustrate the growing gap between the curves with images of seniors waiting in line, being turned away from treatment, attending funerals....
Posted by: stuiec at December 22, 2009 08:41 AM (Ate22)
If our health care is going to be crap and we are going to have Death Panels the least they could do it always us to self medicate and smoke and drink ourselves to an early death.
You know, just like the English are now.
Posted by: Rocks at December 22, 2009 12:38 PM (Q1lie)
....and like the Russians before them.
Posted by: Blazer at December 22, 2009 08:42 AM (+FzLa)
Posted by: rawmuse at December 22, 2009 08:43 AM (Tb6GU)
Posted by: Blazer at December 22, 2009 12:42 PM (+FzLa)
The government pretends to pay us, and we pretend to work.
Posted by: The Soviets at December 22, 2009 08:44 AM (7BU4a)
Posted by: thirteen28 at December 22, 2009 12:41 PM (s8N54)
See, if only he had not-sexual sexual relations with them everything would be fine.
Posted by: Bill Clinton at December 22, 2009 08:45 AM (7BU4a)
The UK.has not yet perfected the science of modern dentistry. Dentists will move there in droves. Oh wait, they have socialized medicine too. Nevermind...
Posted by: Barbarian at December 22, 2009 08:45 AM (EL+OC)
Yet more timely information from the most transparent and bipartisan administration IN HISTORY!
I'm finally starting to believe in change. Now if I could only find something to treat these pinwheels in my eyes.
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at December 22, 2009 08:46 AM (RkRxq)
Posted by: Harry Reid at December 22, 2009 08:46 AM (e8YaH)
Given where we are right now, their predictions are obviously much rosier than reality 99% of the time...but that's not their fault because congress compels them to work with bogus assumptions. When you're forced to assume 1==2, all things become possible, and deranged alternate realities become the norm.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 22, 2009 08:46 AM (w9VyG)
What kind of track record does the CBO enjoy? Anyone have details? I know of their more spectacular failures, which, taken alone should be enough to thoroughly discredit them to anyone except your typical Democrat, but how are they in the mean?
Posted by: rawmuse at December 22, 2009 12:43 PM (Tb6GU)
I heard not long ago that whatever the CBO scores, historically you can multiply that by 4 or more. So if its a trillion over ten years......oh well, you get the picture.
Posted by: The MSM at December 22, 2009 08:47 AM (+FzLa)
If our health care is going to be crap and we are going to have Death Panels the least they could do it always us to self medicate and smoke and drink ourselves to an early death.
You know, just like the English are now.
Posted by: Rocks at December 22, 2009 12:38 PM (Q1lie)
Actually, about that. I'm going to have to deny your request for alcohol and cigarettes. Oh, and red meat? Gone.
On the plus side, I've scheduled you for a 7 AM workout, every Saturday, at your local fitness center. Your tofu and cabbage breakfast will be provided.
Posted by: Your Health Advisor at December 22, 2009 08:48 AM (7BU4a)
And speaking of smart diplomacy! - (yeah, I know)
Like a well oiled machine. Nothing hard about foreign policy!
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at December 22, 2009 08:48 AM (RkRxq)
Posted by: TheQuietman at December 22, 2009 08:48 AM (1Jaio)
There will be plenty of doctors. Maybe not doctor-doctors, but you get what you pay for.
MD will change meaning to Mostly Doctor.
Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at December 22, 2009 08:49 AM (dQdrY)
This fuck-stick Congress has funded a raft of Presidential Czars that are NOT allowed for under our Constitution. DemocRATS are responsible for this violation of our Constitution. How long will our government operate illegally?
Now they pile on with a health care 'reform'. It's not allowed by the Constitution either. You can 'promote' the public welfare, but you can't 'provide' it. This train left the station with Lying Baines Johnson's fucking 'Great Society' in the sixties. It's time for some train wrecking.
spit
Posted by: torabora at December 22, 2009 08:50 AM (NtFzu)
Posted by: Intrepid at December 22, 2009 08:50 AM (92zkk)
Posted by: WTFCI at December 22, 2009 08:51 AM (GtYrq)
When you're forced to assume 1==2, all things become possible, and deranged alternate realities become the norm.
Very much like the economic forecasts dictated by the Supreme Soviet before the entire thing collapsed. Funny how that works, huh?
Posted by: Dang Straights at December 22, 2009 08:52 AM (Haq+B)
Posted by: louis tully at December 22, 2009 08:52 AM (Vc/xe)
This is bad for everyone.
Very, very bad.
Posted by: shibumi at December 22, 2009 08:53 AM (OKZrE)
Posted by: mystry at December 22, 2009 08:54 AM (kmgIE)
I'm very pleased.
Posted by: torabora at December 22, 2009 08:55 AM (NtFzu)
Posted by: brian at December 22, 2009 08:56 AM (g//nK)
Posted by: Michael Moore at December 22, 2009 12:55 PM (g//nK)
I'll be answering that question about the time I melt some of that lard off of it over my large ecomomy sized spit.
Posted by: Satan at December 22, 2009 08:58 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: Ozzy Osbourne at December 22, 2009 12:51 PM (6Nv5B)
Uh....what? Dude, uh, marijuana is, uh...
Oh yeah, good for the environment man. I totally can't, uh, wait for Obama to start paying for my mortgage and, uh, fritos.
Dude, Big Brother is on, gotta go - I, uh, love that show.
Posted by: Obama Voter at December 22, 2009 08:58 AM (7BU4a)
Long story short, there are symbols beside these tests which can be ordered. They indicate what is not or may not be covered under Medicare/Medicaid. They say:
"May not be covered for the reported diagnoses."
"Has prescribed frequency rules for coverage."
"A test or service performed with research/experiment kit."
"Has both diagnosis and frequency-related coverage limitations."
I couldn't help but think....we'll all be under this shit soon.
Posted by: Twinks at December 22, 2009 08:58 AM (8nBzm)
Whistler: I want peace on earth and goodwill toward men.
Bernard Abbott: We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
Posted by: citizenkhan at December 22, 2009 08:59 AM (y9k4C)
Posted by: B+rack at December 22, 2009 09:03 AM (NtFzu)
How do we get Unobtainium? he11 if I know, ask Malor.
Posted by: sporadic small arms fire at December 22, 2009 09:04 AM (dP6Ky)
Evidently the CBO didn't get the message that whenever anything of mine gets scored it always gets a B+ with little smiley faces and star stickers.
I'll have to send Rahm over to have a talk with them.
Posted by: Comrade Barack Insane ObaMao at December 22, 2009 09:04 AM (+FzLa)
Evidently the CBO didn't get the message that whenever anything of mine gets scored it always gets a B+ with little smiley faces and star stickers.
I'll have to send Rahm over to have a talk with them. I got the Swine Flu shot today and got a sparkle band-aid. does that count?
Posted by: Johnnyreb at December 22, 2009 09:05 AM (BuYeH)
Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 22, 2009 09:05 AM (w9VyG)
Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at December 22, 2009 09:08 AM (dQdrY)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 22, 2009 09:08 AM (9c/Xv)
Why in hell would they do that? They'd just say, "Well, thanks for Taiwan, North Korea, South Korea and Japan. Call back if you want to sell some more countries."
The Underpants Czar won't lift a finger and they know it.
Posted by: Al at December 22, 2009 09:08 AM (0lyUI)
Posted by: torabora at December 22, 2009 09:09 AM (4wqtD)
reduce access and quality of care.
You mean this bill does both?!! Why didn't you say that upfront? Sign my stupid ass up...
Posted by: Sgt. Fury at December 22, 2009 09:10 AM (usn2e)
Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at December 22, 2009 09:10 AM (dQdrY)
Let me see if I understand this:
1. The annual increase in Medicare spending will drop from 4% to a 2% per year.
2. Meanwhile, the number of people enrolled in Medicare will explode as the Baby Boomers get into the system.
3. In addition to #2, the Senate's plan will decrease the Medicare eligibility age to 55.
4. And to top it off, the number of people on Medicare will outnumber those working and paying for it.
What could possibly go wrong?
My big fear is that a great deal of resentment will start to bubble over against the old and the retirees once the younger working people start to feel the crunch. It's at that point that the death panels will kick in because those being bled to death by taxation will not want to pay for long term care for the elderly.
You've lived a good life Grandma, I realize you're only 80 and that with quality medical care you could have had a few more years with your family, but that's too expensive so it's time to die.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at December 22, 2009 09:12 AM (sXLx/)
Posted by: bigpinkfluffybunny at December 22, 2009 09:15 AM (KWhJd)
Posted by: Vic at December 22, 2009 09:16 AM (QrA9E)
Posted by: UGRev at December 22, 2009 09:17 AM (862vz)
Posted by: rawmuse at December 22, 2009 09:17 AM (Tb6GU)
Posted by: shibumi at December 22, 2009 09:20 AM (OKZrE)
There will be plenty of doctors. Maybe not doctor-doctors, but you get what you pay for.
MD will change meaning to Mostly Doctor.
Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at December 22, 2009 12:49 PM (dQdrY)
"In my country we do not have such things. What do you call them? Rubber gloves? Miraculous!"
Posted by: AmishDude at December 22, 2009 09:21 AM (T0NGe)
Anybody else hear about Burris getting money from Obumblescare to finance a seperate office on minority health? So, let me see if I can get this right without drawing the ire of Shelly Whitesheets (Dumbass) RI.
Being minorities tend to eat more poorly and have higher instances of diabetes and high blood pressure, does this mean that more of our money and services will be directed at them, compromising our healthcare yet even further, while they basically get a free pass to continue eating whatever they want?
Because that's exactly how I'm taking it.
Posted by: Blazer at December 22, 2009 09:22 AM (+FzLa)
I also worry about my niece. She has Down Syndrome and a heart defect, too. My idiot sister in law seems to think that the same bunch of clowns who think that Trig Palin is something less than human will think that her daughter should be cared for and treated with respect. (Don't ask me why....she has this whole "magical thinking" thing going on and refuses to stop drinking the kool-aid.)
The only thing that gives me some hope is that it doesn't kick in until 2013 or 2014. Maybe she and her cousin can be all fixed up by then.
Posted by: bigpinkfluffybunny at December 22, 2009 09:26 AM (KWhJd)
Posted by: BattleofthePyramids at December 22, 2009 09:27 AM (rJcCd)
We can stop this Bill, and we can stop Obama, but we only have one last chance at doing it. Please help me spread the word!
BROWN IN MASSACHUSETTS!
Posted by: Patvann at December 22, 2009 09:35 AM (X92yI)
Posted by: thirteen28 at December 22, 2009 12:41 PM (s8N54)
Tiger's OK, he only had sex with those women, not sex-sex
Posted by: Whoopie G. at December 22, 2009 09:48 AM (Nsz+x)
Posted by: I am poor. give me more at December 22, 2009 09:48 AM (kmgIE)
I've got a soon-to-be little girl, too. Due Feb 2, but I think it'll likely be earlier than that. I'll keep you and your daughter in my prayers.
Posted by: Mandy P. at December 22, 2009 09:50 AM (MK6Kx)
That's true. I see people buying all sorts of crap (most of which is NOT food) down at Wal-Mart with their EBT cards, which are food stamps in debit form. I don't think they're supposed to be able to do that, but I've never seen anyone question someone with an EBT card. Frankly, I don't think the Wal-Mart cashiers really care, so long as they pay with something. I've also known quite a few people at my last place of business that would get all the food they could from the WIC program, and then sell it out of their cars.
Posted by: Mandy P. at December 22, 2009 09:55 AM (MK6Kx)
How often could I sell my blood for $50 a throw. This sounds worthwhile. an extra $50/week would buy a lot of rice/beans.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 22, 2009 10:02 AM (w9VyG)
Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day. Give a man a handgun and he'll be eating your lunch forever.
Posted by: WalrusRex at December 22, 2009 10:06 AM (xxgag)
I feel for you and your mom. As much as I'm in total despair over what's going to happen to us all in due time, the worst of the worst brunt will be felt by those past the "desirable age" who are dealing with very grave diseases. My mom just passed away in October at age 73. As crushing a blow as it was to me, I was thankful she didn't have to live long enough to experience the rationed nightmare that is going to befall all those in that age group. They will be left to suffer and go without treatment. After all...they were once 25 too! Time to accept reality and punch out. Oh wait...that is the game plan for us all, but not for the f_ing bastards in Washington. It's primo care all the way for them.
Posted by: Twinks at December 22, 2009 10:07 AM (hNhxx)
As someone who is close enough to being a senior that I am beginning to get AARP propaganda in the mail, I read these threads and I still cannot believe that AARP supports this miserable POS; and even more incredibly, that the members have not deserted AARP in droves for doing so.
Posted by: RM at December 22, 2009 10:26 AM (1kwr2)
Posted by: RM at December 22, 2009 10:29 AM (1kwr2)
They're hoping this bill proves to be a gold mine for them, and they are probably right.
Posted by: bigpinkfluffybunny at December 22, 2009 10:31 AM (KWhJd)
According to Ehow:
Expect to earn up to $35 for each donation (twice a week max). Donors who have been vaccinated for hepatitis B can earn up to $60 per week.Plasma not blood, in Texas. Florida Blood Center is more corrupt.
Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at December 22, 2009 10:32 AM (dQdrY)
Obviously seniors are thrilled with prospect of long waiting lists and substandard care, and you should be too. Less is more in the magic kingdom of Ogabeland.
Everyone Should Hope to Live Long Enough to be a Senior Citizen some Day.
That might be a point to ponder for all those younger people that think Obama care is a good idea because they could get free care now while they're young and don't need it much.
Posted by: Speller at December 22, 2009 10:35 AM (7Ldd7)
When you turn 50 they will send you a "free" membership which entitles you to a magazine about once a quarter. When you get the magazine you will see that they push the Demoncrap agenda exclusively.
They haven't been an organization for pushing the senior agenda for a long long time. I cancelled my membership way back.
Posted by: Vic at December 22, 2009 10:41 AM (QrA9E)
Posted by: UN Methane Advisory Council at December 22, 2009 11:01 AM (+lsX1)
bigpinkfluffybunny, thinking of you and your loved ones. What a royal mess.
Vic, if you told me you were a current AARP member, it would surprise me more than Obama saying something gracious to Bush in one of his speeches.
Posted by: RM at December 22, 2009 11:25 AM (1kwr2)
Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 22, 2009 11:36 AM (w9VyG)
Posted by: AT7T We Reach Out And Touch You at December 22, 2009 11:57 AM (3IZGh)
@22: "I heard not long ago that whatever the CBO scores, historically you can multiply that by 4 or more. So if its a trillion over ten years......oh well, you get the picture."
A trillion over 40 years? Barganza!!!!!!
Posted by: Luke at December 22, 2009 03:54 PM (vupGF)
Just sorta idly wondering: if, under the glorious new system, you get diagnosed with something and the government, in its infinite benevolvence and wisdom, decides you aren't worth saving, isn't in their best interest to dead you (or at least detain you) really quickly?
After all, a person (or relative thereof) who just got handed a nice long, slow, lingering death sentence by the govenrment *might* conceivably decide to exercise some Second Amendment rights upon the noble, hard-working, dedicated, public-serving bureaucrats who made that decision.
This has a distinct possibility of not ending well.
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Obviously seniors are thrilled with prospect of long waiting lists and substandard care
Pffft. They're just gonna be euthanized. Thrilled? They should be locking and loading.
Posted by: Dang Straights at December 22, 2009 08:35 AM (Haq+B)