1 That is stunning. 

2 Homogenization is like gravity, or my passionate love for pork rinds. It exists.

3 The Feynman bit is from his great speech on Cargo Cult Science-- which is the perfect term for AGW & contemporary "climate science" in general. (Feynman spells out better than anyone precisely why this stuff, especially in light of Climategate, is the very *antithesis* of science. Read the whole thing.)

4 I like my milk homogenized, not my science. This is truly stunning. I try to live my life without consciously thinking or perpetually worrying about things like Woody Allen on crank. But these things can turn one into a what I would describe from outward appearances as a paranoid person. Couple all this with what our government is now doing TO us and we've got trouble in River City. Science is not supposed to be like this - unless it's from the labs of Dr. Mengele. This shit is now truly insidious. As Ace notes towards the end, re Megan McArdle, "baby steps." But while the rest of the world take baby steps, these bastards are taking giant leaps and stomping on us in their wake. STOP. THIS. NOW.

5 Nice read, Ace.

6 Nice work, Mr. Ace.

So, Al Gore et al, point to the phenomena of melting polar ice caps and they say that the temperature models are ultimately only a secondary part of their argument -- the real thing is that regardless of what is happening globally, if a climate shift is occurring locally in the polar regions -- and that is what, apparently, the various melting icebergs and whatnot suggest -- that would be enough to end the world as we know it. Any good debunkings out there of the "ice caps are melting!" argument?

7 Here's something relevant to how you can average together declining trends and make it an increasing trend: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125970744553071829.html Am going to do a post on powip.com on it in a few days. The trick is to change the weights in the average - not all stations are created equal. [similar to how they did the tree ring thing, and got the results from one tree to skew the entire rest of the sample... the massage amplified the effect] This is something that actuaries have to look out for, and we're not even trying to bias results. We know that differing base rates can cause really weird results.

8 No homo, but man these proofs of climate change trickery -- on the entire world -- are giving me a throbbing woody that needs instant relief, no gender questions asked.

Now can someone please stop these nuts from destroying the world economy while we're much nearer the brink of a certainly devestating ice age than we are man-made (probably more helpful than otherwise) "global warming"?

In other news, I'm sitting opposite a 28-year old female Christian virgin, a tall blonde elementary school teacher marking math exams whom I'm staying with in Australia, and I really resent Christianity right now for making virginity and chastity "cool".

9

Richard Feynman is one of the clearest thinking people (scientist or otherwise) I have ever read. My children have even read most of his books (because I made them). "Six Easy Pieces" was one of my daughter's bed-time stories when she was 7, and she still remembers much of it twelve years later.

Read some Feynman people as he will fine-tune your B.S. detector in ways you never dreamed possible.

Hit your local library and/or Amazon. If you are not a reader, grab the audio book versions, they are just as good.

10 "Richard Feynman is one of the clearest thinking people (scientist or otherwise)..."

Ditto that.

I read one of his books when I was a teenager and too young to understand it (oh, I mostly got the physics as well as one could, but the deeper insights into people would have slipped entirely by me).

On YouTube, one can find some great long interviews with this man. I doubt you'd find many better ways to spend an hour.

11 #3 - Just read the Feynman speech referenced by someone else and it is eerily resonant with the idiocy going on with AGW. Thanks for posting it. A must-read.

12

I'm going for a new term, you guys are welcome to give me some feedback:

"pseudo-scientist nature deniers" or

"pseudo-scientist natural cycle skeptics"

Which do you think is more apt?

13
Defying a consensus might make me look foolish.

14

I read Feynman's QED.  I knew nothing about quantum mechanics prior to that.n  I had a pretty darned good grasp on it afterward.  What a teacher.

O/T:  Ace, I clicked on the timestamp so that I could get the address to link the post at Facebook.  FB has a posting app that enables quick linking of stuff.  Somehow, it's pretty good at finding the right picture to go along with a link.  But, if not, it lets you scroll through the pics and the  pics of icons on a page until you find something you like.  Well, after clicking on the timestamp, the only availabe pictures here are Sitemeter box and one of the ad blocks.  It would be helpful if you could con some poor schmuck into putting your logo somewere to make it available to be found by FB or so that you can scroll to it.  Just a guess, but a convenient spot might be next to the timestamp?  You know, a little 3/4" version of the logo.

15 Awesome post. Confirmation bias. But you missed one major psychological factor, here: the desire to be heroes. It's a matter of vanity that every generation believes that it lives in the most pivotal of historical times. Naturally, the media pander to the delusion, because the media also want to be seen as heroic. And those in almost every branch of academia believe their particular field to be of key importance, and cannot understand why others don't. The insanity of literary studies, for example, is driven by its desire for relevance. If you believe that everyone's mentality is conditioned by language, that reality is constructed by it and that it has no existence outside of language (though you may own a cat or other sweet house parasite that seems to navigate perfectly well without it), and reality is somehow disappointing (as it inevitably is, even if you're tenured), then by golly, you'd better set about reforming the world by proving to students that it's a massive conspiracy of phalluses. That's heroic, you see.

16
so, it was the Jews, all along?

17 I have worked with and employed dozens of scientists and this type of behavior is not at all unusual, especially in fields that are wholly dependent on government funding and which do not have a vital competitive hypothesis. [My experience was commercial and I had to deal with them after they stopped grant whoring and tried to be productive.]

And Ace is spot on -- they convince themselves that what they are doing is right. First they convince themselves that their conclusions are right in spite of the data, and then they convince themselves that changing the data is an honorable, ethical imperative. Finally they attack any who doubt their own moral superiority.

18 This is all about money and power, you think these folks are going to let facts get in the way of money and power?

EPA now has the power (not really) but that's what congress is going to tell you so when they pass cap & trade they can use them as the scapegoat for why they just had to do this or the big bad EPA would have destroyed business.

You think things are bad now, folks you aint seen nothing yet.

19 That Feynmann story reminded me of something I read years ago from the immortal Michael Crichton, in his novel "The Andromeda Strain".  He referred to something called "The Rule of 48".  Seems that years ago a group of scientists were working on the human chromosome, and had determined that there were 48 of them.  They even had the pictures to prove it.

Then another scientist comes along and says, no, there are only 46 human chromosomes.  And he has the pictures to prove it, too.  Not only that, he took the pictures that the first bunch had, and there were only 46 there as well. 

The corollary to the "Rule of 48" was that "All Scientists Are Blind".  Hilarity ensued.

However, in this situation (the phony "AGW"), it's even worse.  Not only were the scientists "blind", they deliberately doctored their data for political reasons.   And Ace's reference to how the media "fact checks" (or doesn't) their stories is also telling, given the amount of utter bullshit the public has been subjected to over the past several years on this subject.

An excellent case in point is how many times the E-vil BOOOSH was excoriated in the media for his "refusal" to sign the Kyoto treaty.  But what no one was told by the media was that there was no need for Bush to sign it, as Clinton already had (or more precisely, he had some DoS flunky go to Brazil and sign it for him).  Nor does hardly anyone know about that 95-0 Senate vote that told Clinton Kyoto would be DOA if he sent it to them for ratification.

It's bad enough the so-called scientists are doctoring their data to get the "desired" results, but the State Run Media is blatantly covering up their misdeeds.  How do you fight something like that?

20
Scientist 'Pressured' to Defend Climate Research

Britain's Met Office has embarked on an urgent exercise to bolster the reputation of climate-change science after the furor over leaked e-mails, referred to as "Climate-gate."

More than 1,700 scientists have agreed to sign a statement defending the "professional integrity" of global warming research. They were responding to a round-robin request from the Met Office, which has spent four days collecting signatures. The initiative is a sign of how worried it is that e-mails stolen from the University of East Anglia are fueling skepticism about man-made global warming at a critical moment in talks on carbon emissions.

One scientist said that he felt under pressure to sign the circular or risk losing work. The Met Office admitted that many of the signatories did not work on climate change.

http://tinyurl.com/yfxllsc

21

I hope people have hidden cameras and mics at the Copenhagen confab.  Love to see some candid pics of those guys.

I smuggled out a menu.   Here is what the beautiful people  heroes are having tonight at Phil Jones dojo.  No, not humble pie: 

Squid ravioli in lemon grass broth, goat cheese profiteroles and arugula Caesar salad, swordfish meatloaf with onion marmalade, rare roasted partridge breast in raspberry coulis with a sorrel timbale and, of course, grilled free-range rabbit with herbed french fries.

Then free hookers.

22 It delights me to see all of our dear Progressive-Commie friends, who've been bleating for years about how conservative types are all so anti-science, being revealed as dupes trapped an anti-scientific cult faith.

23 Don't forget the peer pressure in this little clique, either. The CRU emails show the 'stone the heretic!' mentality that runs the show.  You think there's a 'free exchange of ideas' in that atmosphere, letting adjustments be done dispassionately?

Hell, no.  It's conform or get a stoning, or else keep your mouth shut, so if you show something other than what the other guy shows, you try to reconcile it to the already-established position.

If the science is good, why is the burning of heretics neccessary?  Indeed, why would there be so many heretics to burn?

24 When is the last time Megan McArdle has been right about anything?

25 BTW - I love a flaming skull in the morning.

26 Ace, like the skull, is on fire.

27 "The initiative is a sign of how worried it is that e-mails stolen from the University of East Anglia are fueling skepticism about man-made global warming at a critical moment in talks on carbon emissions."

And this is another thing.  "Stolen emails"?  I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong here, but this part of the mess sounds a lot more like a "data dump" done by someone on the inside, as it included not only the emails, but computer code and some of the datasets as well. 

Gotta love that media integrity...

28

This is the scientific equivalent of embezzlement.  Cook the books so you get what you want.

29 I don't know if I'm comfortable knowing that Ace is up and moving around while I'm still in bed sleeping.

30 Bravo, Ace!

The inconvenient truth: All we are saying is give empirical science a chance.

Al The Ludicrous Denier, high priest of Baal, the profit of fraud, is condemned by the nature of reality check.

Account for ALL the evidence according to strict rules that do not permit alteration of the record.

/Some folks, upon disillusionment, shop for the next cult to join.  Recall Obama's first kiddie campaign song: "We're gonna change it, and rearrange it. Obama's gonna save the world." The latest from the White House is that Obama would not have chosen the Nobel Peace Prize for himself. Now there goes Audacious Atrocity on record, as if it were Obama's to award himself.

31 This AGW thing shines a light on one very important fact: the World is riddled with people and organizations that fundamentally are fake and destructive. The U.N., the MSM, think tanks, science organizations, governments, political parties. Their common cause is not ours and they pretend to be something they clearly are not. This can not endure.

32 I hate lazy comment spammers.

Can't you at least work it into a sentence or something? Like now that the AGW bubble is about to burst, Christian Louboutin can get on with increasing production of their discounted fine heel shoes.

33 An example to ponder --
Assume two dendrologists, (tree experts.) Lets call them Boffo and Buffo. Both apply for a grant to study how tree rings can be used to measure historical climate.
Boffo spends a year making measurements and analyzing data and concludes that tree ring growth is fatally flawed as a temperature proxy because of an indeterminate correlation between growth and temperature, and a survivor bias that causes rapid growth after any event which damages surrounding trees, creating spurious steps in the data.
Buffo does the same measurements and analysis and concludes that tree rings are a wonderful temperature proxy, but only after you apply cryptic mathematical "corrections" to the data. Buffo is now a dendroclimatologist. Buffo does not quite understand that corrections, as a grad student did most of the programming and frankly hes too scared to show his ignorance but he knows he is right.

Boffo goes back to his position at an Ag school and helps out the local scout troop with their tree identification merit badges.

Buffo continues to get grants studying the climate record, and spends his time jetting to conferences and consulting governments on climate policy.

Survival of the fittest. Darwin would cry.

34 Dr. Ace: A "friend of mine" was wondering if these adjustments might increase the length of his cock.  

35

When the worldÂ’s elite gather in mass
And party themselves on their ass
ItÂ’s truly a crime
And all on your dime
While chains for our slavery they cast

They couldnÂ’t do math, itÂ’s too tuff
So they just went and made this shit up
And now theyÂ’re exposed
Their agenda is hosed
But is it now wounded enough?

You must resist loudly with verve
And not let them rattle your nerve
The ballÂ’s in our court
But itÂ’s a blood sport
Our freedoms weÂ’ll fight to preserve

36 Wow, what a good way to get more new drugs on the market. We'll just "adjust" our toxicology data (ahem, using sound Scientific Principles, of course) to something that fits the projected company earnings curve.

37 Here is what the beautiful people are having tonight at Phil Jones dojo. No, not humble pie: Squid ravioli in lemon grass broth, goat cheese profiteroles and arugula Caesar salad, swordfish meatloaf with onion marmalade, rare roasted partridge breast in raspberry coulis with a sorrel timbale and, of course, grilled free-range rabbit with herbed french fries. Then free hookers. We can't save the world on an empty stomach.

38 Yes, baby steps until Megan McArdle realizes the books are being cooked due to "confirmation bias".

Then, when that's done, more baby steps until Megan and Ace both stop giving these frauds the benefit of the doubt, and realize that this will never end until they do so.  Until they realize that the phrase "never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by stupidity" is utterly freaking arbitrary, and in fact the exact opposite is just as likely to be true, and in this case, it is.

The Long March Through The Institutions.  Gramsci.  Alinsky.  Remember that, and them?  If you don't believe those are the driving forces in our culture right now, you're utterly blind.  If you don't believe the global warming hoax is a direct, intentional and malicious implementation of that, well... baby steps.

Qwinn

39 There are a couple of things at work here. Statistically, if Darwin didn't give similar temps to stations near it, you would wonder why. Is is the station itself? Is it the location, something freakish about the location that causes the mis-alignment of temps? Secondly, when things don't look like a normal distribution, statisticians will "force" it into a normal distribution. This changes certain parameters-but you publish those so everyone knows that you forced the distribution. A Z score might be out of whack or something. Third, there is the human condition of "anchoring" going on. Just like the scientists that couldn't believe the electron experiment (they anchored on the too low of value)-global warming scientists have anchored on too high a temp because of faulty data in the first place. To make an argument to beat them-you point out the folly of their ways. But cage it with this-of course we want to produce energy and live our lives in the "greenest" way possible. But we don't want to destroy our economies in the process.

40 Ace -- how do your gay friends feel about you saying that "bad science" = "homo"? I know that mine probably wouldn't be that fond of it. They're liberals, though, so I'm sure they're not reading here. Nothing to be worried about.

I wish someone would put a stop to these kinds of cheap shots against people like homosexuals. I wish someone would speak up.

41 Real scientists see their pet hypotheses shot down in flames everyday. Real scientists look at the deadly data and say, "Oh, well. My idea was wrong." AGW cultists in lab coats, not so much.

42 Hmmm, governments are happy to provide funding and other support to "research" that ultimately leads to massive tax increases and control over all aspects of our lives. Greedy controls freaks are eager to do the "research". Elitist organizations that suckle off government power and hegemony such as the MSM are more than happy to promote this "research".

43 Ace quoting my ultimate hero Richard Feynman!  Things got back to normal much quicker than I figured.  Keep hammering the Warmists, particularly Michael Mann, Penn State's embarrassment.

44 Bravo, Ace! This subject - and these most recent results - need to be spread far and wide to as many folks as possible! Putting it here on AoS - and adding your most-excellent writing style  and premier snarkage into the mix - guarantees wide coverage!

45 Only one little flaming skull for that? The flaming skull for this should be so big that the left side of it is visible on the right side of HotAir.com!

46 I got billions of dollars just sittin' here for some young genius who can give me a reason to take more power and control....You wanna be on the bus, or under it?

47 The science is settled, then. 

48 Let's just say that Michael Mann discovered early in his career that no one was particularly interested in his "pool stick" reconstruction of historic global temperatures...

49 BTW - the leaked (I won't say hacked because it has not been demonstrated that hacking was involved) emails only document "intent". It was always the computer programs and data that were in question. They demonstrate fraudulent "acts", not just intent. Hence all the (refused) FOI requests for the code from McIntyre et al.

And - hence - the researchers adamant refusal to release them: ya can't fudge program source code! Check out the "ValAdj()" function in some of the programs! It adds (multiplies, actually) that "adjustment" curve into the data almost perfectly.

50 Dammit.  I was really rooting for warming.

51 I wonder if you could just as easily use the Darwin station to homogenize one of the nearby stations down? Do we have the data from those stations? We could fabricate some pretty nifty AGC (Anthro Global Cooling) graphs...or as the CRU scientists call it, "do some science."

52 The most important thing to come out of all the leaked material, how it was done ... Now we know, we can expose the entire fraud.

Yep --- Both GISS and CRU get their raw data from the GHCN. So, right out of the box, these "independent" measurements which supposedly confirm each other are not looking very independent at all.

And then all supply their own version of the secret fudge to make the results appear similar but not identical. So as Eschenbach states in his reconstruction of the fraud, start with the GHCN and have at. Cook your own fake data from there, why do you need the IPCC do it for you.

It's not science, it's a haox.

53 Survival of the fittest. Darwin would cry.
Posted by: nine coconuts

Al Gore, President of the Planet by Green authoritarianism, college flunk-out
Potus Ponzi Obama, UN Security Chairman, no college transcripts
Lobotomy Scam Artist Laureates
Our government, national and global, IS organized crime.

You must resist loudly with verve
And not let them rattle your nerve
The ballÂ’s in our court
But itÂ’s a blood sport
Our freedoms weÂ’ll fight to preserve--Beto

54 Both GISS and CRU get their raw data from the GHCN. So, right out of the box, these "independent" measurements which supposedly confirm each other are not looking very independent at all.

Green Newspeak, independence means dependence. It takes a village.

55 Apropos Green Pasteurized Homogenization requires the enforced application of unnaturally high temperatures to kill any living organisms while amalgamating all of the constituent elements, readying the product for public consumption while rumoring a longer shelf life as a marketing gimmick.

56 re: the Feynman story:  Or as Douglas Adams once put it: the first rule of science is to not fool yourself ... and you are the easiest person for you to fool.

And a side note: Ace, don't you think that writing something like I don't know, but I know it's not science -- you can't spell homogenization without "homo", scant days after a major brouhaha about juvenile and unfunny bigoted 'jokes' in comments, is a bit over the top? 

57 From having been there, I'll add the following observation:

It usually takes over a decade of hard work to become a "scientist" (ie a grant-earning publisher of papers).

Once you're there, if you don't earn grants, your career is OVER.   Basic science research is expensive, it almost never generates its own revenues, and virtually nobody is independently wealthy enough to conduct it on their own dime.  Its publish or perish.

Science also doesn't reward the unorthodox with grants.   When you are writing grants, your reputation DOES matter.   Saying the orthodoxy is wrong (ie the ones who issue the grant money and peer review the papers), doesn't tend to lead to grant receipt.

In short, there is tremendous economic and professional incentive for scientists NOT to step too far away from "consensus", even if the consensus is wrong.



In short, in many areas, there is tremendous economic pressure

58

This is a helluva summary followed by a very articulate explanation. Ace, I don't want you to get too big a head, but sometimes your insights are perceptive enough and well presented to the point that it's a little scary. Like, let's hope this guy doesn't decide to go rogue and create a Thompson Harmonizer while he's not working on his blog.

Seriously great post. But if you start feeling too good about yourself and need a dash of cold water, you can always check back to the comments on the huge thread about jokes last night. 

59 If a station looks like it's a bit of an outlier, that it deviates from the trends of nearby stations, they adjust.

This process of discarding outliers is more of a central problem than most people (and most scientists) think. 

It's actually a huge deal.  Complex systems exhibit distributions that are scale invariant because the processes in a complex system are stochastic.  The output of a complex system follows a power law curve, like Zeta distributions, Zipf-Mandelbrot, Pareto, etc.  They are not linear. 

The rare, high-magnitude events are critically important!  For example, every now and then (i.e., every 100 million years), you get a volcano that spews 1000x more ash and lava than the next largest one. 

Or, a freak wave that is 800x larger than a normal swell travels across the ocean that's big enough to swallow an oil tanker, then disappears. 

Or a flood hits one year that alters the shape of a continent, and nothing like it happens for a billion years. 

Or one author will sell 100 million copies, more than 10x the next best-selling author.  Or one movie will make $500 million, and end up subsidizing the other 90% of movies that break even or lose money. 

These are outliers.  They produce the scale-invariant distribution curves that can be found just about everywhere in nature, in economies, AND IN THE FUCKING WEATHER.  Outliers are also responsible for producing the emergent structures that scientists are typically interested in the first place. 

What do scientists do with outliers?  They throw them out.  They disregard them.  But they contain all the valuable information!  Scientists always seem to focus on the norm, the averages, because the outliers are too hard to accommodate into their theory. 

This is one of the reasons that climate prediction models are total bullshit, always have been, and always will be, even if the data were perfect.  The fact that the data has been faked is just icing on the shit-cake they've been serving us for a few years. 

60

Higher temperatures cause more water to evaporate from the oceans, so there is more water vapour in the air that can condense to rain - or to snow, close to the polar regions. So some think the polar ice caps might grow thicker as the world warms, since more snow will fall and be compacted to ice.

61 Denier I say!!!

62 As someone who has been a full blown "denialist" for at least 3 years, I am so very happy that the greatest fraud perpetrated on the American people in the last 50-100 years is finally splitting down it's poorly sewn but well hidden seams. It is a lie and a tool for global socislists, and nothing more.

63 J. J. Sefton - right idea, wrong analogy.  While Dr. Mengele unarguably had his empathy towards other humans hard-wired to a rheostat, he believed in 'hard' science.  While he did use 'untermenschen' as lab rats, he never biased his data, nor 'faked' the results of his tests and experiments, however horrific his methods were.

|||||||

'Homogenized' data is FAKED data.  Period.  Full stop.

We're dealing with an excess of civility here.  This is full-frontal fraud, nothing less.

The results shown in those graphs above were not the results of 'uncalibrated' instrumentation, nor insufficient data sampling [both a valid reason for 'error'].

I know how science in a lab works: a 'verified' method + calibrated instrument + precise sampling = [reproducible] results.  That means my results matches Dr. X's results [within 'x' number of SD's [standard deviation].

If I can't repeat the results, and the 'method' is not at fault, then either the instruments, or the samples are 'bad'. 

If there are no problems with any of the above factors, then the only other possibility is that the analyst CPT. Charles screwed up.

When things get to that point, then the question asked is: was there an 'honest' or a 'dishonest' error?  Accidentally plugging in the wrong number isn't 'cause' for termination, plugging in 'imaginary' numbers is.

At that point, the 'boss' either [A] catches the error, or get's 'successfully' BS'd into believing the result is 'good', or he knows the error is present and lets it 'slide'.

Anybody care to guess which category the 'AGW consensus falls into?

64 All this talk of golbal cooling brings me back to 1975

http://tiny.cc/JCSYe

65 63, That is called a negative feedback. It is the kind of thing AGW cultists erase, ignore, and dismiss everyday.

66 Seriously though, this is bad news. I was looking forward to four to six more weeks of jeans and short sleeve weather in Pennsylvania per year. I can haz global warming plz?

67 SHE SCIENCED ME WITH BLINDNESS

68 AGW can be traced back to a small group of cavemen who gathered together to discuss a problem. It seems another caveman, Larry, was teaching everyone the secret of the throwing stick. The Clan of Five was upset about this. If everyone could make and use a throwing stick the Clan of Five wouldn't be getting any extra food and nookie anymore. Something had to be done about Larry.

69 I like and appreciate thread like this. Threads where 50 people spend 2000+ comments airing their concerns of what they may or may not consider offensive...not so much.

70 So if we all vote that gravity doesn't exist, can we have flying cars?

At least we could get major funding for them.

71 Obama said this morning (in his lecture to the world), even his military leaders are calling for action on global warming, to keep the peace.

I'd like to see those names.

72 Megan McArdle needs to stop the kabuki dance and just admit she got flim-flammed.

73

Step on the ice and tell me my data is bad!

You wanna go, pretty boy?

74 Think it's all clear now. But let's wait for Queeg to way in concerning the strawberries.

75

It's the stairway to liberal heaven! Brings tears to a dirty hippy's eyes.

Oh, my fellow poet Homer said to remind you to quit trying to top his verbosity. So unseemly.

76 I guess we are lucky that statistics and math don't require enormous research budgets to duplicate experiments, check results, etc. Will Canada, who is on the warmists shit list over tar sands, nominate McIntrye for a Nobel prize.

77

74 Obama said this morning (in his lecture to the world), even his military leaders are calling for action on global warming, to keep the peace.

I'd like to see those names.

Actually that's sort of true...though it's likely those guys are relying on the veracity of the same bunch of conmen who have been lying to the rest of us.

1. If Globaloney "consensus" was anything close to reality, it would make sense for the military to plan for it. 

2. If the civilian authority, i.e. the Precedent and the SECDEF call something a threat, you at least pay it some lip service.

3. In the military, as in other professions, some people are just whores and brown nosers.

78 Hey this sounds like the Tigar Woods charade.

79 Looks like "Tiffany Silver" has been taking posting lessons from laptop battery guy. [Tiffany Silver sounds like a porn name, doesn't it?]

80 I actually thought "you can't spell homogenization without 'homo'" was a hilariously self-depreciating meta-joke.  But YMMV.

81

[Tiffany Silver sounds like a porn name, doesn't it?]

Did you get her number for me, man?

82 You can tell I've been at the pub too long when I can't spell my own name.

83 Great post Ace! Now if you could only apply the same reasoning to the Birth Certificate issue, you might be able to see things from my (and others) perspective.

Currently your (and Gabe's and DrewM's and Allahpundit's et al) argument is that "OH No! Government officials wouldn't LIE to us about a vital record like a Birth Certificate! " We must TRUST Obama, TRUST the Media, TRUST Hawaiian Officials and TRUST the DNC. (who was responsible for affirming his qualifications.)

I especially liked that part of you article where you mention

"So no, Megan, all these "crazies" who doubted this crap for years were not believing that there was always this deliberate determination to fudge data. (Although, as we see from the CRU letters, that does happen.) We tended to think it was usually more "subtle," as you put it, too.

But if you need that daylight between us -- if you need a psychological crutch that tells you I'm not like those crazies; I believe something different than them; maybe I'm halfway between the lunatic-but-correct crazies and the noble-but-wrong scientists -- fine, I'll be that for you."

So MUCH of your post describes the Birth Certificate controversy. Just substitute "Birth Certificate" for Global warming, and swap positions from what you have currently, and it's a perfect fit, up to and including media bias.

Really great post Ace !

84

Yeah, a million bucks to pull that plug...why I am I never around for those opportunities?

In academia, "publish or perish" is not just a cliche. It's your paycheck.

85 They've been doing this in this country too, although the Darwin adjustment is especially blatant.

I did some station surveys for Anthony Watts, and one of the stations I surveyed caused NASA GISS to admit they screwed up, so they altered their procedure. Anthony and Steve McIntrye analyzed the station I surveyed, and used the bogus adjustment they found to go after GISS. That was pretty cool.

They still need some stations surveyed. Go to surfacestations.org if you're interested in helping.

86 What I took away from this is that Ace sees this as the lever that will pry off Megan McArdle's panties. Good luck, man. Make her yell my name one time.

87 Megan has always been a bit of a ditz.  She is slow on the uptake on a lot of issues.  I don't know if it is a lack of native intelligence or just the by-product of the people she hangs around.  In this case she doesn't believe a large majority of scientists would falsify data and then she prints a chart that shows that they wouldn't have to because no matter what they turn in as their data it comes back from GHCN "adjusted" to look like the prevailing theory.

Basically, you would only have to have a handful of politically motivated scientitsts  to gin up this whole thing.  It is only going to get more sordid as we go along.

We are extremely fortunate that this scam did not come along at a time where the temperature happened to be going up. 

88 I don't know, but I know it's not science -- you can't spell homogenization without "homo."

I'm sick and damned tired of all these gratuitous slaps at homos.
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[Tiffany Silver sounds like a porn name, doesn't it?]  Nah, it'd be Tiffass.

89 Read:

http://tinyurl.com/RawVsAdjusted

90 If Blago deserved its own flaming skull, so does there. Thus:

http://i48.tinypic.com/o0c4yd.gif

Posted to tinypic because I'm like, anonymous or something.

91 Another small fact, which may have been overlooked, the head of CRU has been awarded 13 million in grants. British Gov is running around forcing all the scientists, who they employ, to sign on to AGW or lose their jobs. So far they have gotten 1,700 signatures. Coercive as hell, to say the very least. Most of them aren't climatologists. This is the problem I have. If the "science is settled", why all the over reaching by those who stand by it? Why close the door on those scientists who seek the actual data used that proves this phenomenon?

92 These days, I find Meta-Evolution a much more interesting topic.

93
79 Tiffany Silver

I are like your jewelery very much, but it looks like you are have manipulated the prices a bit to the high side of the value.

94

No, not buying it. I agree with Qwinn and the others here.

We already have evidence that they bully people left and right to agree or be banished.

Their funding comes from this being a CRISIS.

There's so much evidence of them strongly pushing people to agree with them, so why would I think that most of the tampering is unconscious?

95 The truely safe position is as follows:

1. the adjusted data is crap.
2. everything that uses the adjusted data is also crap.
3. every conclusion based on the adjusted data is crap.

We need to start from the top, with the raw data. All that can be found. It will need to be quaility controlled, and sanity checked for internal consistancy.

Then we can start going over the climate models with a fine tooth comb. Then we can model the last 100 years (or so) and compare it with what actually happened. Another sanity check.

Then, and only then, should we even think about modelling the next 100 years.

Another thing: come up with some reasons why the tree-ring data post 1960 diverges from the temperature record. And look for places in the past where it might behave that way, as well.

96

They still need some stations surveyed. Go to surfacestations.org if you're interested in helping.

stace, that's cool.

My husband says the one in Del Rio is too close to the building, but I never got around to taking pictures.

97 I studied this 40 years ago in college.  The mechanism of global warming had been studied since the mid 1800s...and climate guys pretty much had a handle on the slight variations we would see in the future.

10 years ago the AGW mess exploded...for reasons that had nothing to do with the science.

So I respectfully disagree with you, Ace.  This was no accident, no 'fooling' themselves, and certainly no science I ever learned.

These men bought into the scam for grants, power, and prestige. They broke the basic rule of scientific study...repeatability of results.   They used their power and prestige only to block dissenting study.

They don't deserve their degrees.  They don't deserve their positions.  They don't deserve the respect of their peers.

98 A list should be made of all the reasons these guys don't want to change.

money for funding the scientists

money for AlGore type schemes

political power in the name of "the greater good"

redistribution of wealth, controlled by the left

personal prestige and dominance
  (for arrogant "scientists")

clinging to their religion and their inferiority complex
   (for ignorant followers)

A "gateway drug" toward more "command and control"
   (for those higher up the Marxist ladder)

many more, as have been discussed ...

99 Regarding repeatability of results, that is impossible in climate studies. These are one-time measurements of a system that is not controlled or very well understood, and can not be repeated. The temperature reading from some station in Maine taken 80 years ago or one hour ago can't be verified in a repeat measurement. This is all historical data. You can examine the equipment used, the particular environments in which the equipment was located, the method of taking readings, calibrations, etc., but that's it. We are stuck with what data we have. This is one reason why adjusting this data in any way is very disturbing.

100

Back in the early to mid 90s, when I was dating my husband, he sat me down and we watched a documentary that showed where temperatures were being recorded, and how cities had grown around them, bumping the temps up. It was obvious then that the data was bad and that the "scientists" collecting the data didn't care.

Now, 15 years later, you want me to believe it wasn't completely, totally on purpose?

Anybody who looked at the facts could see the problems. Anybody who looked at a weather station in the middle of an asphalt parking lot, near machinery putting off heat, and not say "something is wrong" is guilty of KNOWINGLY hiding the truth.

101 Your post is so littered with wanton stupidity, it's a miracle your ISP permits you to form your thoughts and transmit them as discrete packets of binary information. The sources of "data" are multifarious. You found a little nugget from one station, and as a moron, decided to be a climatologist for a day. Maybe tomorrow you can be a urologist and remove a uterine tumor with your teeth.

Oh, your ideology! Behold my works! And despair!

102 Oh. Darwin, Australia. I guess we won't have to worry about Christoph showing up to pick a fight, then.

103 Ace, it doesn't matter how much proof we show that all this global nonsense is a load of crap.  It doesn't matter how many faked documents get discredited--the left will never come around  no matter how much truth is force-fed to them it is their religion.

And the quote of the day on the Google home page reminded me as such. "Rational arguments don't usually work on religious people. Otherwise, there wouldn't be religious people."

104 Exactly mama ...

I like the "are you smarter than a sixth grader?" approach.  The left uses children to lecture us, but it is mostly emotion based.  That bit uses a sixth grader to explain how simple (and corrupt) the science is.

Too bad our current education czar is more interested in teaching children about fisting, than about glaciers that have retreated, or the medieval warm period.

105

"Lord Kelvin" should really just stick to working the glory hole at the Vince Lombardy NJ Turnpike rest stop.

That's not even a subpar attempt at trolling, and we've got pretty low standards here.

106 109, Indeed so. In fact, I should like to fill out and hand in a Troll Quality Complaint Form. There isn't one? Get Gabe on this now.

107

Just a little side note on scientist conning themselves on data. This happens all the time in oil and gas exploration geology and engineering. Typically, because there is the desired result of finding hydrocarbons and making money, it's easy for geoscientist to fall in love with prospects and drilling projects. I find it helps to have engineers in the mix because they want data, and nothing but the data, in their planning. That process of providing that can sometimes uncover the warts on the baby before you drill.  Likewise, it makes a big difference having a wellsite geologist out on site during drilling completions because I've seen wellbore engineers become obsessed with trying to make a problemed wellbore come around to the state of textbook perfect when a good geologist can tell him that it's time to pull out and move on because the hydrocarbons just aren't there.

In the case of climate science, the sheer lack of practical application and loss of financial accountability has allowed a lot of these guys to get too ennamored with the process and hasn't made them have to answer for it. In the future, it should be mandated that climate study towards the theory of AGW have to be accompanied with an equal amount of work on fixing it, be it CO2 sequestration, or whatever. Then let's see them partnered with some engineers and some accountants that make them fit to a bottom line and profitability. I bet the end result is much less catastrophic, more accurate and possibly even useful.

108 Megan McArdle

I had to Bing her to see who she was.  LOL, Her wiki entry calls her a "libertarian"..

Looking at her web site I would call her a frothing at the mouth Obama commie liberal.
 

109 Yeah. Global Warming is an international conspiracy of climatologists. You gotta keep an eye on those sneaky fuckers.

Here's the needed proof for your exciting discoveries, ace: the avalanching horde of scientists heading for the Exit Door of Reason.

Oh, where's Lord Monckton when you need him?

110 Mama AJ, yeah it was pretty exciting seeing my pictures being discussed on their websites.

IIRC the station in Del Rio is not on the list of stations that Anthony wants surveyed, probably because it's not in the network that GISS uses for its historic climate data. I bet it is too close to the building--almost all of them are. Even though the station may not be in the GISS network, it's still probably providing data to the NWS that's biased high.

111 Why adjust the data? In a gridded, global average would not the adjustments due to measurement error just be represented as part of an error estimate or part of a confidence determination? The resulting graph of raw temperature would have larger error bars as a function of time that should improve gradually with a big drop when satellite data became available.

112

#111

Yea, but did you hear about the time when all of the geologist in the world traded places with all of the meteorologist and no one knew the difference?

113 Lord Kelvin, in the willful absence of transparency - one failure defines them all.

114 erg pooped his pants again.

115 Busted!!!

I believe this is what we call a "smoking gun". Save this one for all your brainwashed friends and relations who still think we ought to give up civilization for the sake of Nature.

116 And not to go completely off topic, but this reminds me somewhat of abortion.  If you ask any 7 year old kid if they should kill that kid and get it out of that lady's tummy because she doesn't want it, the kid would be horrified (assuming a normal childhood).

But then you get to high school.  Some friend of yours gets knocked up by a complete jerk who dumps her.  She's got a new boyfriend who is a really good guy, plans to go to school and be a Dr.  This baby would screw up her whole life.  Her parents are going to kill her...whatever the reason is that this baby is inconvenient. 

All of a sudden, that little thing in her stomach doesn't seem all that real at all.  She could make it go away for a few hundred dollars and have that picture perfect life she imagined just a few short weeks ago.  And you think the same thing.

It's kinda hard now to go back to opposing abortion.  If you have that little tickle in the back of your brain that it's evil, then that means you are a little bit evil yourself.  So justifications begin and next thing you know, you're marching around with a little sign that says "My body, my choice" or maybe you just sit at home and justify your vote for democrats because those radical crazies would take away your right to choose.

And you've lied to yourself again.

117 If I recall correctly, Lord Kelvin was one of the big shot scientists who held out against the existence of atoms. Not a few scientists regarded atoms as useful mental constructs, but did not believe they were truly there. Al Einstein proved them wrong in a paper published in 1905 (or maybe 1906) regarding Brownian motion. After that, atoms were no longer doubted, and this happened long before we could get pictures of the little suckers.

118 Lord Kelvin, it's not just one station. That's just the most blatant one, so far. There are more like that. And that station was one of the very few used for the Australia data set, so it's impact on the overall picture is outsized.

119 Where are the mass defections of climatologists/meteorologists/atmospheric physicists?

Where are they? I mean, the ones not already bankrolled by the gas industry?

Oh. It must be a conspiracy, intended by smallish climate-geeks to entrap rightwing fatasses in shopping-cart-sized e-cars.

Talk about "truther" cons. What a doozy, ace.

120 RobB at 111 ... good points.

The difference (as I'm sure you realize) is that Chevron has to make a profit, and it comes from actually discovering oil and gas. 

The profit for the AGW gang is in establishing their religion.  Facts that don't support their claims are "negative feedback" ... or their "dry hole", which they will guide away from.

The political profit motive with AGW, eliminates the self correcting process we have in private enterprise, and has seemed to have progressed far beyond casual self conning, to full blown criminal activity, with perhaps some delusion in the lower ranks.

as I see it ...

121  That Watts Up is bullshit. He does not have the myriad justifications used for
"homogenization." He just finds a disparity and goes apeshit.

122 Anyway. It's too late for you fuckers. Not a Senate full of corn-pone Inhofian jackasses can turn this ship around.

Anyway, the dictates of your precious capitalism require a new bubble of "green" investment.

You lose, fuckers.

123 Great article Ace.  You are doing a great service with your explanations as it is difficult for those of us who are not math or science wizards to understand what these "scientists" are doing.  I tried to read one of Dr. McIntyre's entries about the statistics, etc. and was embarrassed to find that it was completely over my head.  More please. 

124 Great post

125

 

"Both GISS and CRU get their raw data from the GHCN"

This is only partly true.

For the early years of the series (1850 - ??) both GISS and GHCN get THEIR "raw data" from CRU.

126 Lord Kelvin. You are an insult to the name of a great physist. You are a slavering infant with the intellect and articulation of one of the corn pone jackasses you must be so closely related to. Go  find a willing hog to fuck, mebbe your wife (get your quarter ready and no cutting in line).

127

"Both GISS and CRU get their raw data from the GHCN"

This is only partly true.

For the early years of the series (1850 - ??) both GISS and GHCN get THEIR "raw data" from CRU.

128 Anything that stirs up a troll like this has got to be good.

129 No lace wig for you, Lord Kelvin.

130

#16.

Not just the Jews. It was the "homogenized" Jews.

Good read.

I can't believe how much they fudged those numbers. The obviousness (is that a word?) of this astounding.

 

131 I doubt Lord Kelvin plays his 'you're not a scientist' card when the non-scientists agree with him. Consensus!

132 The answer's pretty obvious, isn't it?  Those lines aren't measuring temperature.  They're measuring grant award income.

133 Another great read is Tuva or Bust!: Richard Faynman's Last Journey.  I liked it mainly because I'm a geography geek, but it shows a lot of Feynman's lighter side (I love the shot in a Ladadki hat).

134 Believe me, if it wasn't for the Ether Wind you deniers would be fucking frying!  We're almost done with the last little homogenization of our data, and then the world will see that this General Relativity crap is flat_Earth science.

135 Outstanding post, Ace.

I say that as an ex-scientist, and this absence of (self-) critical thinking in the field is one of the things that turned me off to the discipline.

Again, outstanding, especially coming from a lawyer-type.

136 You know, Megan McArdle was once a very serious, thoughtful blogger. I enjoyed her writing immensely. But now I only visit her page to laugh at her. And when I'm done laughing, I'm sad.

She's spent countless posts debunking people like Drum, Yglesias(sp?), and Ezra Klein, and yet continues to treat them as if they are arguing in good faith. But when she argues with a right winger, she never provides a link or even the name of the person making the argument. She just creates a phantom through the use of "Some people say..." At this point, it's become obvious that she simply never reads any right wing articles or blogs and thus has no clue about one entire side of any policy argument she writes about.

Exhibit #8573 as to why there is no such thing as a DC libertarian. 

137 Those who doubted:
A Man for All Seasons

Those who enable:
A Man for Warming Seasons Only. Apparently.

Charming.  You know, Ms. McArdle, the reason this happened is because those doing the date and denigrating the skeptics were so acting because they always had an eye more on the preferred public policy and their fears for the future more than the data. And you, in being oh so stubborn, are essentially doing the same--for some reasons you just don't want to call a spade a spade. Perhaps you don't want to give too much moral authority to the doubters, and don't want them to achieve a crushing victory because of fears of what may come. Tough. Let the future take care of itself. Do the right today.

Now, once again, it may just be desire to make sure that men are treated fairly in what amounts to a public trial. That's fine--sometimes it's good to not rush to burn the witch--but I'll tell you this. I think there is a wave building where one day the public is going to have an old fashion auto de fe since every time something like this happens, where one side--and honestly, usually the liberal--gets caught red handed and the establishment just can't bring itself to admit the obvious. Instead, it's always some kind of last ditch defense. I mean, for jeeper's sake, Ohio is funding the defense of those who ransacked Joe the Plumbers privacy, I guess because Joe is a Republican and Republicans can't be seen to be vindicated. At some point it becomes very clear to the public that liberals will never admit wrong, and will fight to the last to avoid admitting the obvious when the hand is in the cookie jar. Enough. People are going to get sick of having to go to DEFCON 1 every time a liberal screws up just so we can get to the point where we can admit there was a screw up--much less do anything about it.

It's too bad the AGW scientists did it, but they did it, and they need to be strung up, socially. Period. For the encouragement of the others.

Because, you know, if these guys had just made a mistake because of natural human bias and wish to see what they wanted to see, I wouldn't condemn these science fakers. I truly wouldn't. It's the behavior in first trying to pull off the fakery when it was clear the data did not support, and then the defense of their fakery--whether intentional or not--that is inexcusable and indefensible. They attacked others, tried their best to destroy others, were fairly ruthless and arrogant about it, and now that they have been proved to have feet of clay there will be no quarter. This isn't simple human error due to perception bias or something like that. It's just bad character. So don't defend the indefensible, because you can be drawn into it also, because I think a lot of people are sick and tired of being hounded for the motes in their eyes by the side that ignores the beams in their own.

Just ask for fairness and some decency in judgment instead of a rush to judgment. But there has got to be 'justice" in these cases, and it's time for liberals, who have had no problems calling for the social excommunication of others as a routine remedy for that which they find beyond the pale, to understand that the same remedy can be and should be applied to them as well.

Ms. McArdle, I know you are not a liberal in policy preference. But you are a liberal at heart, or least appear so, in this sense--you are comfortable around them, and seem to keep their company more than conservatives--and want to keep their good opinions (those whom you like). Like I said, tough for me to tell from a distance, so if I'm wrong, fair enough and my apologies, And if true, fine also, to a point. But at that point, character demands one tells one's friends they are wrong when they are wrong. And justice demands that it sometimes be done forcefully and clearly, not gently, because the society needs a strong statement every so often on what is and is not okay.  And so yes, I think you're enabling.

But what the hell do I know? I'm just crazy, right? Just like Ace.

Nuts to that.

138 Any good debunkings out there of the "ice caps are melting!" argument?

Posted by: Robert_Paulson at December 10, 2009 06:18 AM (+deq6)

There was an article about 6 months ago, with graphics that showed that in Antarctica, the western side of the ice cap had melted but the people who noticed that failed to take into consideration that the east side  was getting larger. Can't remember where I saw that so no link. Of course there is always the one where satellites were saying it was all open water up there then later they found out the sensors were not operating right, there was no open water.

139 Yeah, the homogenization is really crappy science, especially the way they do it.

Imagine you have two kids, and both of them make a batch of cookies.  But one kid is sick and vomits in her cookie mix bowl.

Then you decide you don't want two completely different batches of cookies.  So you do the scientific climate fix thing.  You mix both bowls of cookie mix together before cooking.

Sure you know one of them is ruined, and mixing will ruin the other.  But removing the flawed one apparently isn't something that climate scientists understand.  Other scientists will remove flawed datasets (assuming they have good reason to do so); but climate scientists are all about using the flawed sets to "fix" the normal datasets.

Like eating chocolate-chip and vomit flavored cookies.  Not because you have to, but because you think it'll be better that way.

I mean, lets say you wanted the temp inside my house; one thermometer reads 67 the other reads -7 (and you put it in hot water and it still reads -7).  Clearly to a rational person, the temp in my house is about 67.  To a climate scientist the temperature is 30.  See they'll average the good data with the known bad data to "correct" the data; and assume I keep my house at slightly below the freezing point of water.

Why do they do this?  It makes for more impressive warming charts; once you average in the Urban heat islands, and use that to correct well placed temperature recordings; you can show some significant warming.

140 This thread's kinda dead.

But, a thread fueled by admonitions about the proper way to couch racism in daft repartee and yukyuk, and...2000 comments!

Stick w/ what you know, knuckleheads.

141 An excellent case in point is how many times the E-vil BOOOSH was excoriated in the media for his "refusal" to sign the Kyoto treaty.  But what no one was told by the media was that there was no need for Bush to sign it, as Clinton already had (or more precisely, he had some DoS flunky go to Brazil and sign it for him). 

Posted by: Cave Bear at December 10, 2009 06:55 AM (TsnSg)

Something else the media isn't saying, and that I only found out about recently. Bush got us a little over halfway to our Kyoto goal of cutting greenhouse gas emissions without ever signing it. Why wasn't that reported?

142

I like McCardle also and I was bewildered at her unwillingness to accept the evidence right before her eyes.

Douglas Adams had a fictional scientist, the self-named Wonko the Sane.  Wonko, to remember that as scientists really we are all just clowns, "knowing" little, and we must be willing to look at the world with the eyes of a child and, potentially, be wrong. 

The Sane, to remind himself that even with a name like Wonko, relative to you lot his faculties were alright.

143 Goo on with your dumb self, Lord Melvin

144 and erg's got nuthin'

145 I drive Priuses
(Mwah)
That puts them blogs on rock, rock
And they be lininÂ’ down the block
Just to laugh at what I got
Four, tres, two, uno

My footprint stay judicious
I be down in the basement

Just workinÂ’ on my witless
He's my witness
(Ooh wee)

I put yo' blog on rock rock
And they be lininÂ’ down the block
Just to laugh at what I got
(Four, tres, two, uno)

So pernicious
(Ay, ay, ay, ay)
So pernicious
(Ay, ay, ay, ay)
So pernicious
(Ay, ay, ay, ay)
I'm Ergalicious, c-c-crazy, crazy

146 Stick w/ what you know, knuckleheads.

Chill out Lord Kelvin!  We know hot air when we see/hear it...



^{(Ya see what I did there?    boy)}

147 This thread's kinda dead.

But, a thread fueled by admonitions about the proper way to couch racism in daft repartee and yukyuk, and...2000 comments!

Stick w/ what you know, knuckleheads.

Posted by: Lord Kelvin at December 10, 2009 11:43 AM (/gil1)

--It'll be dead when we say it's dead and the science is settled!

148

Just think, the smattering of ignorance above is the reason the glory hole at the Vince Lombardi Rest Stop goes unmanned.

Look here, Kelvin or erg or Warren Bonesteel or whatever, those cocks ain't going to suck themselves.  The longer those long-haul truckers need to sit around waiting for their release, the later I get my current order from Amazon. 

So, get back to what you know.  In your own small way, you make interstate commerce possible.

149 I'd like to see an example of the bad effects of the level of warming these scammers are predicting that's based on actual evidence. 

Looking at the historical data, I'm not aware of any downside other than French winemakers losing market share to the vintners of England.

150 Gekkobear@143,

Exactly. If you purge an "aberrant" dataset, particularly when you don't have an abundance of them to mitigate an actual error (even if accidental or honestly mistaken), you better have a very good understanding and sound scientific basis for doing so. And you better disclose it and the rationalization... especially if asked.

These climate scientologists did none of this and went to great lengths -- actual fraud -- to conceal their "science." Truly shocking violations. The non-climate scientologist world of scientists should create its own petition if only to shield itself from their bastard colleagues.

151 So, Ace is up at Oh-dark-thirty, eh?  I wonder if he saw his shadow or not?  And does it mean six more weeks of global warming?

152 McArdle is acting out this Millikan thing right now.  She'll get closer and closer to the truth one not-too-far-away-from-the-currently-acceptable-position step at a time.

153 Jesus, haven't you people heard of Thomas S. Kuhn?

154 Between these scientists and the terminally retarded that follow them I am thinking it is time to thin the herd for the sake of the planet and mankind.

155

"So no, Megan, all these "crazies" who doubted this crap for years were not believing that there was always this deliberate determination to fudge data."

Ace, I agree:  They did not start off fudging data.  Wayback will show how some of their data used to look.  Watts has shown how the old data looked.  As reality hasn't favored their models recently, the pressure to monkey with the data has clearly become irresistable.

The physicists at CERN have confirmed Svensmark's theories in the lab, and Svensmark recently demonstrated it in the field.  If this solar minimum continues we are well and truly screwed.  Let's just hope that there's a big lag from when a grand solar minimum starts to when winter lingers, crops fail, and we have to resort to eating climatologists.

156

These guys do a process called "homogenization," right? What that means is they cast about for nearby stations, then average those, and then compare the average of nearby stations to the station in question, and, if they feel like it (if they think it "needs" it), they adjust the numbers of the target station to be closer to the average of the other, nearby stations.

 

I wonder if they are doing all this with the stations the "Harry" file intimated do not even exist?

 

157   157 Jesus, haven't you people heard of Thomas S. Kuhn?

Posted by: Keyser Söze at December 10, 2009 12:10 PM (rk0PJ)

Yes, why, you think a paradigm shift has begun?

158 Ace, go back to your cave and worship your unseen entities, you're too stupid to understand the extreme nuances(c) of this SCIENCE.

159

Hey, did you know that Tiger Woods has had 10 mistresses?

Let's talk about that!

160

I wonder if they are doing all this with the stations the "Harry" file intimated do not even exist?

Posted by: teqjack at December 10, 2009 12:16 PM (LEb+F)

I'm thinking back to the Cold War, when we found out that the Soviet Union had less than half as many nukes as we thought they did.  There were investigations as to what went wrong with the estimates.  It worked like this:  Field agents made sophisticated wild-assed guesses based on what data they had, then added 10% as a fudge factor because they didn't want to guess too low.  Then the middle managers added 10%, and the upper managers, etc.

So when we sat down for arms control with the Soviets, they were able to negotiate away nukes that never existed.  Score!

161 I think this is the problem with the 2000 election debacle in Florida. Gore wanted a recount, but only in the 2 or 3 counties that he thought would be favorable to him. This would be subjecting one particular subset of the state's election data to greater scrutiny than any other. By that method, the biased result would practically have been guaranteed.

162

The graph that you displayed is labelled incorrectly.

The red line is grant money available for "scientists" who are willing to confirm global warming.

The blue line is money available for other weather research.

The black line is Nobel laureate and Oscar winning documentarian Algore's income from his carbon credit companies.

163 This Lord Kelvin guys really presents a compelling argument.

164

Well done, Ace!  You've put words to what I've been thinking all along.  The rewards for skewing science toward confirming Warmerist fears has just been too high for scientists to resist, and the risks too high not to conform.  I especially like the distinction you draw between what 'Warmers' think 'Skeptics' say, and what the 'Skeptics' have actually been saying all along.

The same type of distinction can be made for 'Birthers', many of whom don't actually believe Obama was born in Kenya, yet are bothered by his unprecedented and obdurate secrecy regarding his birth, citizenship, school and medical records.  If there's nothing wrong there, why hide them?  Yet Obamaites classify as extremists and cranks any and all who question his lack of transparency about his past. 

165 I always thought they were twisting their black-waxed mustaches as they were deliberately cooking the books.

As a practicing scientist, I need to let you know that we twist our black-waxed mustaches only after tying our virginal victims to train tracks. I don't make the rules, but I do try to follow them. Actually, that is just the rule for chemists. Sorry, I don't know the climatological rules. So nevermind.

All this adjustment could be necessary, but to carry it out, it would also be necessary to explain why, explain why the precise adjustments were chosen, and explain any uncertainty as to the magnitude. You can't just 'adjust' raw data without justification. That's crazy. The 'hide the decline' trick- if it is legitimate, this should be spelled out when it is done, not with hand wavy references to this being standard and well-discussed in the literature. Even if you are using a 'well-known' trick/technique, you just can't not say so. That's what stinks to me. The truth could be that the world has a fever, but without those issues being addressed, you can't say so from this particular bastard-child data set. If it is corrected, show that your corrections are correct.

And Lord Kelvin- he's really just Billy Thompson feeling full of himself.

166 Why is this a surprise to anyone?  Look at the U.S. historic temperature trend...nearly all of the increase exists only because of after the fact 'adjustments' to raw data.  Even Hansen got caught fudging data in order to make 1998 the hottest year in the history of forever...and was forced to walk back on those claims.  Lucky us, we still have the raw data, unlike the CRU, which conveniently lost theirs.

167 So who would be enterprising enough to photoshop Phil Jones and Michael Mann onto a picture of Milli Vanilli?

168 I think now there actually is an incentive to disprove or undermine global warming, and scientists are on notice that this is likely low-hanging fruit. In other words, there's much more incentive to try something when you have a pretty good idea it will be successful.

Yes, the Youtube video from yesterday of the 6th grader is pretty much a clue here.

The data sets, used in a simple manner, with no significant massaging, and with an open process; shows UHI to be the prime driver of surface temperature warming in the continental US.  That might give you a hint that disproving the CO2 causal relation could be low-hanging fruit.  I mean you'll have to work like a middle school science fair participant, but sometimes you have to sacrcifice and suffer for science... or to make a baking soda volcano.

Hand waving and hidden "homogenization" of the data isn't going to be perusasive when the "anti-science denialists" have done such a simple job of showing their data, their work, and their process.

169

Another work of brilliance by Ace.  No one does analogy better.

Cheers.

"... man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest...especially when a cool "performance bonus" is on the line" - Paul Simon

170

Notice the libs starting to really freak out about this now.  This idiot Lord Kelvin is a classic example of a leftist throwing a childish tantrum when one of his core issues once again gets crushed by stone cold reality.  Notice he can't refute anything at this point.  He rolls in, drops a few F bombs, says we are all idiots and then wonders why his life is such a  pathetic pile of crap when he lay awake at night in his cheap apartment.

We see this play out with the left on issue after issue when they see that they were dumb enough to be on the wrong side of an issue in the first place.   Most never admit they were wrong, so they are forced to double down on the lies and become all the more bitter and pathetic.

What person buys into leftist socialist nonsense past the age of 18?   Ignorant people with no ability to have a critical thought as an adult... that is who.   This is why libs need to stick to working at the local espresso shop of perhaps running a bong store.   But running the country?  No... no..no!!!!!

171 I labored over that post at Wuwt.  This stuff is not easy to follow for a non-scientist.  (or a climate scientist on the grant dole as well!)
 I commend you for your ability to convey such a complex concept that is the Darwin smoking gun.  Thanks. The more I read, the more I comprehend.
Bastards.

172 Lord Kelvin would make a great Climate Scientist...The way he engages the argument and presents his data ("you lose, fuckers"), is pretty consistent with what we're seeing from the climate scientists.

173 In case anyone hasn't figured it out by now, "Lord Kelvin" is just another nom de erg.

174

Posted by: Lord Kelvin at December 10, 2009 11:43 AM (/gil1)

Back to work, Erg, those Colorado Department of Education requests for fisting manuals for 14-year-olds aren't going to fill themselves out!

175 One interesting thing that occurred to me was that this could also affect the tree-ring data they use to create the "record" of temperatures going back 1500 years or so. Tree rings don't measure temperature directly, they also measure rainfall, sunlight, availability of nutrients, crowding by other trees, etc. So you have to take samples from a lot of trees to average out local variations, and you have to "calibrate" the ring sizes against temperature to isolate it as much as you can from the other things it's dependent on. But what if the temperature data you're calibrating against is corrupted? What if it's been "adjusted" for a non-scientific reason and no longer represents the true temperature the trees are reacting to? Then your tree ring "temperature" is going to have some strange anomalies once you're done correcting it incorrectly. It will poke up when it shouldn't, or drop off somewhere else, which is exactly what we see CRU programs correcting for, and why they had to "hide the decline" after 1960. And that also means your temperature record for the last couple of thousand years -- the one on which you're basing your claim that present-day warming is unprecedented and must be caused by man-made greenhouse gases -- is is pretty much worthless.

176 ACE : (opening a briefcase containing a cool million), "I will give you a million dollars to pull the plug on Mr. Mashed Potato Head here, but.....

Switch : "CLICK......"

Monitor : "BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP!!!!!"

FORGER :  "Pay me."

177 Shit.   /sock

178 re: feynman, during the manhattan project, oppenheimer wrote his berkeley colleague to hire his ass fast: "I think it appropriate to call his name to your attention, with the urgent request that you consider him for a position in the department at the earliest time that that is possible. You may remember the name because he once applied for a fellowship in Berkeley: it is Richard Feynman. He is by all odds the most brilliant young physicist here, and everyone knows this." Further... "I may give you two quotations from men with whom he has worked. Bethe has said that he would rather lose any two other men than Feyman from this present job, and Wigner said, "He is a second Dirac, only this time human." via letters of note also, feynman got a lot of ass according to his colleagues...

179 Yes, why, you think a paradigm shift has begun? Posted by: theCork at December 10, 2009 12:17 PM (za8iP) No, that's not the point. Kuhn explained nearly fifty years ago that the facts don't "speak for themselves" (as Grissom would have us believe), and instead are always subject to the vagaries human interpreation. So what's going on here isn't any big surprise.

180 Oops. Last post should say "vagaries of"

181 22 Jesus fucking Christ, where is this evil farm where they would kill caged rabbits to slake Manbearpig's blood thirst? Free. Range. Rabbit. (With Herbed Fries.)

182

"Lord Kelvin" should really just stick to working the glory hole at the Vince Lombardy NJ Turnpike rest stop.

That's not even a subpar attempt at trolling, and we've got pretty low standards here.

Interesting that he trolled with that name. Is the troll unaware that Lord Kelvin drove nails into the coffin of the Caloric Theory of Heat? which at the time was the accepted science...

183

This whole thing of Megan McCardle needing to believe she's not one of the crazy deniers.... I'm better than those people! I never thought anyone was cooking books deliberately!

It reminds me of the jokes going on at SNL right now. On the one hand Seth Meyers on Weekend Update knocks Obama for Policy X. And then immediately follows it up with a joke mocking the Republicans who've been complaining about Policy X all along.

See, you might have been right, stupid Republicans, but only the way clocks are right twice a day. We, in our intellectual superiority, figured this out through thought and reason! You moron teabaggers only figured it out by accident!

184 106 Oh. Darwin, Australia. I guess we won't have to worry about Christoph showing up to pick a fight, then.

Posted by: andycanuck at December 10, 2009 10:12 AM (2qU2d)

I'm in Australia.

185 Well, whoever this Megan McArdle person is, I hope she realizes that the "psychological" reason she's still fooling herself is she has a [quite natural] reluctance to face the blood-spurting, gut tearing anger that comes with admitting you been had.

186 Well, whoever this Megan McArdle person is, I hope she realizes that the "psychological" reason she's still fooling herself is she has a [quite natural] reluctance to face the blood-spurting, gut tearing anger that comes with admitting you been had.

Posted by: Faye Kinnit at December 11, 2009 01:20 AM (l1oyw)

Well said, welcome to my world.  I care about science, because I admire it a as a method of revealing physical truth.  These jerks have really pissed in the pool.

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