December 22, 2009

Defending McConnell: Hey, He Got a Concession Out of Reid
— Ace

I don't know if I buy this or not, but here is the defense of the agreement, from a Senate GOP leadership aide.

...youÂ’re mistaken about the reasoning behind the timing of votes on Thursday.


As weÂ’ve all seen, the Democrats have 60 here, unfortunately, and though we did what we could to make this drag past Christmas, the fact is that time would run out Thursday night. Whatever time we have the vote, itÂ’s not going to change the fact that the bill will pass before Christmas.


...with Democrats tired of being here, the time that day was a bargaining chip. So in exchange for letting Reid move the vote up a few hours, McConnell extracted an agreement from him about the debt limit vote.



Democrats have been trying all sorts of ways to avoid voting on increasing the debt limit. They first tried to sneak it through on the Pentagon funding bill until enough people said that was unacceptable. So Republicans are going to force a vote on it and several amendments in January. When? Well... January 20th, which just happens to be the same day as ObamaÂ’s State of the Union address. And IÂ’m sure you recall he wants to make the speech all about fiscal responsibility.



So in exchange for a few hours on Christmas Eve when few people are paying attention anyway to hold off an outcome Dems have already demonstrated is not in doubt, weÂ’ve now got them to debate a massive debt limit increase on a day everyone will be paying attention to debt and deficits and take votes that may be quite embarrassing to the president before his big speech.

So the claim is that in exchange for a go-home-early the Republicans got a good date for the debt-limit debate and vote.

Assuming Reid honors that.

I wrote back: But if you've been blocking this debt limit vote, why is it necessary to bargain about it? The answer was, approximately: Because we can't let the country default. But nor do we have to allow the Democrats to do this as they wish, either in the dead of night or tucked into some other vote so that it doesn't get noticed.

They want to the debt limit vote to happen right when President Deficit Hawk is giving his State of the Union.

Eh... I guess. I guess.

I don't know. I am waiting to find out if Reid can just cancel this deal at will. I wrote to ask about that.


Can Reid Cancel the Deal? I am assured "no." I'm told this is a unanimous consent motion, and to undo such a motion requires, itself, unanimous consent. Since any of 40 Republicans would be expected to object and so not give unanimous consent, the idea is no, based on how it was voted in, it cannot be voted out.


More: This guy also tells me this, which makes sense:

The vote Thursday wouldn't matter as much if Dems miss because it's final passage and takes only a majority. The final cloture vote will be sometime tomorrow. If a Democrat misses that vote it'd be huge. But they only need 51 on Thursday.

This in response to my suggestion that the GOP call their bluff and make them vote on Christmas Eve. He's saying nine could decide to skip town and still leave 51 to do the deed.

Ehh... I guess.

I just am sort of having a hard time not noticing that this move is also in McConnell's personal interest.


Posted by: Ace at 01:46 PM | Comments (257)
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1 The GOP can go achieve victory without me. They ain't worth the time nor effort to achieve it, and would waste it once achieved.

Posted by: Horatius at December 22, 2009 01:49 PM (evMRo)

2 What are the odds the Reid changes his mind, and doesn't allow the GOP to rain on the Hopium 1/20 Parade.

On te other hand, the HotAir point about more pre-holiday publicity for this foul bill makes some sense.

So I withdraw my opposition.

Posted by: ParisParamus at December 22, 2009 01:49 PM (NPtVh)

3 Seems no one gives a damn about America anymore. Especially those that take an oath to defend it's values and Constitution.

Posted by: bill-tb at December 22, 2009 01:49 PM (y+QfZ)

4 Uh, by January 20th, they'll be done and just conveniently forget they promised you anything, McConnell, you spastic ditz.  And the horse you rode in on.

Posted by: nickless at December 22, 2009 01:51 PM (MMC8r)

5 I will alter the deal.  Pray I don't alter it further.

Posted by: Dingy Harry at December 22, 2009 01:52 PM (6Nv5B)

6 Just more horse-trading.

And also, by this staffer's logic and estimation, what McConnell gave away was of value to the Democrats - they apparently thought having the vote earlier as opposed to later was important enough to schedule a vote on a day that would embarrass Obama. 

Posted by: angler at December 22, 2009 01:53 PM (SwjAj)

7 Hang on, so far what he's saying is that it's unalterable, I'm writing again to find out what that means, exactly, like, "Really unalterable or what?"

Posted by: ace at December 22, 2009 01:53 PM (jlvw3)

8 It's a reasonable idea problem is no one is going to focus on the debt limit, all the attention that day and the next will be about Obama's SOTU.

I guess McConnell got something, no matter how small, is better than nothing (which is what would have happened).

Either way, the die was cast last week. 8am or 7pm (or whatever time) on Thursday doesn't really matter.

Posted by: DrewM. at December 22, 2009 01:54 PM (FCWQb)

9 If the GOP wasn't the party of stupid, I'd trust them to be devious. But they've proven time and again they don't have the cunning or deceipt that the Dems have and use. Good bye, GOP. It was nice knowing ya. (No, it really wasn't.)

Posted by: wherestherum at December 22, 2009 01:57 PM (gofDd)

10 If you'll excuse me, I'll just be warming up for the State of the Union in January:

(ahem!)

"YOU LIE!"

Posted by: Bender Bending Rodriguez at December 22, 2009 01:59 PM (F1y/Z)

11 "Assuming Reid honors that."

Exactly. 'Cause Reid et al. have always been about honor.

Here, Mitch. This "Kick Me" sign matches your corsage.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 22, 2009 02:00 PM (swuwV)

12 Nope, not buying it, even if Ried holds to the deal.  Why? Because the left wing media will not be reporting on increasing the debt limit, they will be reporting on Obama signing the Deathcare bill the morning of January 20th.  That will take up so much media time, that the debt limit bill won't even be noticed.  Obama won't even change his deficit hawk speech.

Why republicans always play nicey-nice just astounds me.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at December 22, 2009 02:00 PM (DIYmd)

13 Drew,

How you lose can be important.  When you tell someone you think what they are doing is gravely wrong and that you will fight them tooth and nail to the very end to stop them, but don't, you look like a pussy and will never be believed again.  By both friend and foe.

Posted by: angler at December 22, 2009 02:00 PM (SwjAj)

14 So how do you get into the Thursday GOP Senate Leadership poker game? Sounds like I'd clean their clocks, and I totally SUCK at poker.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 22, 2009 02:00 PM (l1Wlr)

15
This was basically like a lamb bargaining with a wolf on what to have for dinner.

Awesome. I'm gonna laugh my ass off when the dirtbag Reid doesn't honor the agreement. These people never learn. There is no honor among thieves.

Posted by: Blazer at December 22, 2009 02:00 PM (+FzLa)

16
You notice you have never heard McConell utter a single word about getting back the majority in the Senate?

They. Don't. Fucking. Care.

The Republican party leadership is content to be in the minority. All they care about are their own asses.

Posted by: Posted by at December 22, 2009 02:01 PM (0B4E0)

17 Well what ever the super move is, it better counter all the negativity today's is gathering in the base.  Aside from AP who thinks it's a good idea.  I'm not really eager to jump on the 'I want a burger, I'll pay you back on Tuesday' negotiation strategy here. 

Posted by: Amused Observer at December 22, 2009 02:01 PM (Uy/AI)

18 Because we can't let the country default

We default the moment we hit the debt limit if we don't find an excuse to keep borrowing?  I kinda think that should be the headline.

Posted by: Methos at December 22, 2009 02:01 PM (zyyJm)

19 "I am waiting to find out if Reid can just cancel this deal at will."

ANY BETS THAT HE WON'T TRY?

Posted by: GarandFan at December 22, 2009 02:01 PM (ZQBnQ)

20 Assuming Reid honors that.

AHAHAHA

*wheeze*

AHAHAHAHA

Thanks.  I needed that laugh.

Posted by: alexthechick at December 22, 2009 02:02 PM (bQ5xy)

21 Mitch McConnell in

S I M P L E
J A C K

Posted by: angler at December 22, 2009 02:02 PM (SwjAj)

22 I believe passage of health care on Christmas Eve would be more damaging to the Democrats. It's like a lump of shit in everyone's stocking. The public hates this bill, so having the nation discuss it with their family while they're opening presents would have resonated far longer than it will now. The argument Allah makes, in having the vote during the day will give it more publicity, is ignorant. The media coverage will be about the historic nature of the bill, how caring the Democrats are,  and how Republicans want everyone to get cancer. How's that a plus? McConnell was looking for an out and he found one.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at December 22, 2009 02:04 PM (mGSN1)

23 10 If you'll excuse me, I'll just be warming up for the State of the Union in January:

(ahem!)

"YOU LIE!"

Posted by: Bender Bending Rodriguez at December 22, 2009 05:59 PM (F1y/Z)

I like your lack of style.

Posted by: The DonBot at December 22, 2009 02:04 PM (Fbdn3)

24 >>>You notice you have never heard McConell utter a single word about getting back the majority in the Senate? Oh, be silly. Look: What is the Democrats' charge? "They're doing this for partisan gain." What do people like to hear you talking about? Not partisan gain but policies. You are telling me that McConnell SHOULD be talking about how hot he is to get back a majority. I am telling you you are so far wrong on that point it's not even close. NO, these guys should NEVER lick chops in public about all the seats they can/want to pick up.

Posted by: ace at December 22, 2009 02:04 PM (jlvw3)

25 see the update, I'm told per the rules, a unanimous consent motion can only be undone unanimously.

Posted by: ace at December 22, 2009 02:05 PM (jlvw3)

26 Just saw a McConnell Presser on Fox: "SOME of our members are concerned about the constitutionality of the bill."  Does that mean that McConnell is NOT concerned?

Posted by: Scott at December 22, 2009 02:06 PM (w9iIl)

27 Thanks for clarifying the situation.  Though equal thanks for the post of righteous anger earlier.

Posted by: Amused Observer at December 22, 2009 02:06 PM (Uy/AI)

28 Increasing the debt limit MAYBE gets ten seconds of coverage on the nightly news, and will be totally swept under the rug come SOTU time.  Is there any way we can get McConnell put in charge of Al-Queda?  He could do us some good there.

Posted by: Hatchet Five at December 22, 2009 02:06 PM (6Nv5B)

29 Please call and tell him.

McLame yelled a little (up in 2010) then caved.
McConnell same play book..,,

Those dumb a@@  bible huggers will buy that we are fighters...yeah that's the ticket.

That check from soros, can I cash it at Cash Check?  McLame, "I'll put mine with the amnesty one I got from him a couple of years ago.."

The rest comes from the "stash".....


Posted by: non_dhimmie at December 22, 2009 02:07 PM (zACGu)

30 I'll hold the football this time Mitch, you have my word on it

Posted by: Dingy Harry at December 22, 2009 02:08 PM (sYxEE)

31
Mitch McConnell is Ben Richards in,


THE
STUMBLING
MAN

Posted by: Blazer at December 22, 2009 02:09 PM (+FzLa)

32 If it really is unalterable (somehow I doubt it) then it isn't that bad of a concession. We score some points in an election year for what amounts to a concession with temporary value. And Allah over at HotAir does make some sense in saying that the vote will get a bit more publicity. Overall I guess I'm willing to forgo the outrageous outrage and just move on to the next phase in the battle.

Posted by: Xombozo at December 22, 2009 02:09 PM (7bDII)

33 Why are Republicans voting to increase the debt limit? They should make the Democrats own it. All of it.

Posted by: Bugler at December 22, 2009 02:10 PM (YCVBL)

34 Can Reid Cancel the Deal? I am assured "no." I'm told this is a unanimous consent motion, and to undo such a motion requires, itself, unanimous consent. Since any of 40 Republicans would be expected to object and so not give unanimous consent, the idea is no, based on how it was voted in, it cannot be voted out.

Just like it required unanimous consent to stop the reading of an amendment last week?

All it takes is for Harry and Dick to convince the Senate Parliamentarian to rule in their favor and voilà, no vote.

Posted by: David in San Diego at December 22, 2009 02:10 PM (GF+6V)

35 >>>Can Reid Cancel the Deal? I am assured "no." I'm told this is a unanimous consent motion, and to undo such a motion requires, itself, unanimous consent. Since any of 40 Republicans would be expected to object and so not give unanimous consent, the idea is no, based on how it was voted in, it cannot be voted out.


To get the "deal" postponed or canceled, all Reid has to do is offer to put the Cap & Trade vote off until after McConnell's pedicure and waxing.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at December 22, 2009 02:11 PM (mGSN1)

36
NO, these guys should NEVER lick chops in public about all the seats they can/want to pick up.

The Democrats would never shut up about it when they were in the minority. Every single day they schemed to screw over the Republicans and they never did it in secret.

Not only that, but the Democrats made all kinds of noise about impeaching Bush when they got back in power.

Posted by: Posted by at December 22, 2009 02:11 PM (0B4E0)

37 Someone should locate a set of balls for this whimpering piece of dogshit. I am sick and tired of watching these RINOS roll over.

Posted by: paranoid polly at December 22, 2009 02:11 PM (r7Vc3)

38 McConell's pussy aside, shouldn't someone, anyone, in the GOP be forming and communicating their attack strategy (which should have already been completed) when this POS passes? Constitutional challenges, etc....OR are we going to wait until the bottom of the 9th and pull something out of our ass as usual??

Posted by: Barbarian at December 22, 2009 02:12 PM (EL+OC)

39 I wonder how often the dems in congress laugh amongst themselves on how easy it is no out-negotiate the repubs, "I'll give you 10 pennies for a $1 bill, that gives you a ten to one advantage, deal?"  "OK".

The dems did everything they could during the Bush years, repubs won't.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at December 22, 2009 02:13 PM (DIYmd)

40 Well, by all means, let's give McConnell and the DC Republicans credit for all they accomplished this year, particularly everything they actively did to slow down the process and pull (D)s out of their caucus in order to prevent passage of the bill.

I'll start.  They...

Um...

Er...

Yay, Mitch!

Posted by: Methos at December 22, 2009 02:13 PM (zyyJm)

41
Democrats: Billy-Jack
Republicans: Something Billy-Jack just roundhoused kicked

Posted by: Posted by at December 22, 2009 02:13 PM (0B4E0)

42 Well, my Idiot Senators will vote for this, and we won't get anything. Well, if the people in other states get an Ooompaloompa, I want and Ooompaloompa! And our Senators should hold out until they're paid off in Ooompaloompa flesh!

And cash.

Lots of cash.

Posted by: shibumi at December 22, 2009 02:14 PM (OKZrE)

43 General George S. Patton: "All my life I've wanted to lead a bunch of men in a desperate battle"

Senat...Oh, the heck with it. You  know where I'm going with this.

Posted by: Horatius at December 22, 2009 02:14 PM (evMRo)

44
Reid: Bill Clinton
McConnell: Bill Clinton's cigar

Posted by: Posted by at December 22, 2009 02:14 PM (0B4E0)

45 Charlie Brown, Lucy, football.  Some assembly required.

Posted by: huerfano at December 22, 2009 02:14 PM (cSlAY)

46 The Democrats would never shut up about it when they were in the minority. Every single day they schemed to screw over the Republicans and they never did it in secret.

Not only that, but the Democrats made all kinds of noise about impeaching Bush when they got back in power.

I can't tell from your post, but if you are in favor of the Republicans emulating the Democrats in this regard, it is a very bad idea. 

Posted by: angler at December 22, 2009 02:14 PM (SwjAj)

47

37 Someone should locate a set of balls for this whimpering piece of dogshit. I am sick and tired of watching these RINOS roll over.

Found 'em

Posted by: H. Reid at December 22, 2009 02:15 PM (Fbdn3)

48 Solid B- !!!

Posted by: winston at December 22, 2009 02:16 PM (C7sIK)

49 46 The Dems were blessed with fawning press coverage, something no Conservative will ever get unless he is pulling a Bennedict Arnold.  The GOP needs to be smarter, something McConnell and company have shown no capability of being.

Posted by: Hatchet Five at December 22, 2009 02:16 PM (6Nv5B)

50 Reid: An Adult Video Award

McConnell: The act that won said award.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 22, 2009 02:17 PM (9c/Xv)

51 >>>And Allah over at HotAir does make some sense in saying that the vote will get a bit more publicity. Overall I guess I'm willing to forgo the outrageous outrage and just move on to the next phase in the battle.

Publicity filtered through the media. I'd rather have the public informed of the vote without the love notes of the media included. Maybe that's why Reid made the deal, favorable press coverage.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at December 22, 2009 02:17 PM (mGSN1)

52

I don't understand the anger at the GOP.   The Dems control all the houses and the Dem's are the ones that resorted to shady trickery and bribery to get this passed.  What difference does it make if the vote is a few hours earlier than it otherwise could have been?  Does fighting those last few hours prevent this monstrosity from passing the Senate?  No.  This fight is lost regardless of what the GOP tries to do. 

I woudl rather see people angry at Democrats is all.

Posted by: California Red at December 22, 2009 02:17 PM (7uWb8)

53 We should seriously think about voting out every incumbent from every office.  Every one.

Especially since we'll never see term limits.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 22, 2009 02:18 PM (9c/Xv)

54

I like this Congress being seen conducting business late at night, on weekends and holidays.

I think it demonstrates to Joe Public, that no other way could, their frantic clown-show desparation to jam this up his butt.

Posted by: Huckleberry at December 22, 2009 02:18 PM (s2bW4)

55 I just am sort of having a hard time not noticing that this move is also in McConnell's personal interest.

You just need to be spun more.

Posted by: Amused Observer at December 22, 2009 02:19 PM (Uy/AI)

56
We can't win elections as long we're afraid of press coverage. I've been saying for years now that the Republicans are lazy and better start taking their case directly to the American people because the media is out there everyday smearing the Republican brand.

They need to get out there and hold townhalls with real people and stick the vids on yootoob instead of sitting on their thumbs.

Posted by: Posted by at December 22, 2009 02:20 PM (0B4E0)

57 I don't understand the anger at the GOP.   The Dems control all the houses and the Dem's are the ones that resorted to shady trickery and bribery to get this passed.  What difference does it make if the vote is a few hours earlier than it otherwise could have been?

Kind of answer your own question, don't you?

They yield a few hours and it generates anger and you say the Dems should get all the anger.  Well, it's simple for the GOP.  Put in a few more hours so the base feels like the leadership is right there with them.  The "difference" is what causes anger.

Posted by: Amused Observer at December 22, 2009 02:20 PM (Uy/AI)

58

... further to my #54:

If they and their staffs got snowed in and couldn't go home for Christmas it would have been even that much better.

Posted by: Huckleberry at December 22, 2009 02:21 PM (s2bW4)

59 What a bunch of fricking whiners.  There was no advantage in delaying this until the last hour, unless you think inconveniencing some staffers is a feather in your cap.  With a minority of 40, the GOP will always be handling the shitty end of the stick.

Health care will pass like it was going to anyway.  McConnell may get a couple minutes of hypocrisy highlights on the night of the SOU address, but it will be heartily spun by the media like it was going to anyway.  It's a minority of 40 - the end was never in doubt.

Posted by: Ted Kennedy's Gristle Encased Head at December 22, 2009 02:21 PM (+lsX1)

60
Does fighting those last few hours prevent this monstrosity from passing the Senate?  No.  This fight is lost regardless of what the GOP tries to do. 

I woudl rather see people angry at Democrats is all.

Posted by: California Red at December 22, 2009 06:17 PM (7uWb




No it doesn't, however its the principle of it. Keep in mind when its all said and done, these folks have no skin in the game, they voted to keep their gold-plated privatized healthcare. At least they can do is stay and project our anger for us right up until the final second.

Posted by: Blazer at December 22, 2009 02:22 PM (+FzLa)

61 Okay, now that the snark is out of the system:

Basically, the problem with this move is that all the good will the GOP has managed to regenerate recently with the feeling that, you know, this time they are actually going to fight--instead of calculating the magic plan to RINO their way to a majority--just evaporated with those of our ilk who follow these things on a day to day basis. Evaporated.

Napoleon, guys, Napoleon. Moral, material, 3, as to 1. Who cares about the debt-limit? Meaningless issue, honestly. Maybe not trivial, but in the larger scheme meaningless. Your biggest problem is that we still don't believe you won't cave (as a corporate entity) the first time the MSM really decides to do a number on you or the winds that right now are blowing your way stop blowing that way.

We need to see iron. We are not seeing it.

Posted by: Horatius at December 22, 2009 02:23 PM (evMRo)

62 We should seriously think about voting out every incumbent from every office.  Every one.

Won't matter a bit until you eliminate the permanent political class -- the Congressional staffers, lobbyists, "journalists", etc.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at December 22, 2009 02:23 PM (n2wxa)

63 Band of Brothers part 6: Bastogne

These guys had to work on Christmas.

65 years ago today, Gen McAuliffe made his famous reply to Field Marshall Luttwitz's demand of surrender - NUTS

Posted by: kbdabear at December 22, 2009 02:23 PM (sYxEE)

64 52. I don't understand the anger at the GOP

Why not stand up and fight ? Soldiers give up their xmas for freedom  - Why not the GOP? 

Posted by: paranoid polly at December 22, 2009 02:23 PM (r7Vc3)

65 Exactly.  No iron.  I would rather see them fight and lose then bend over like Paris Hilton at a Cub Scout convention.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 22, 2009 02:24 PM (9c/Xv)

66 Well this is all pretty good, except that it neglects one specific point--that McConnell is a no-count, big-gov RHINO piece of sh**. Remember when he voted for Bush's Amnesty until he saw it was about to go down and then he changed his vote to oppose it? What a crap-artiste.

Posted by: Kasper Hauser at December 22, 2009 02:24 PM (ZiQz8)

67 Posted by: Horatius at December 22, 2009 06:23 PM (evMRo)

God, that must be what Kos sounds like sometime. Kill me now.

Posted by: Horatius at December 22, 2009 02:25 PM (evMRo)

68 As someone mentioned above, all Reid has to do is change a rule at the last minute and "Sorry, no deal."

I just don't trust McConnell anymore; while back he was interviewed on radio here and when asked about some idiot statement/threat by a Democrat started off with "Well, I don't want to speak badly about a colleague" and refused to call the D on the bullshit.  I am sick to death of these clowns being more concerned with playing nice with their 'colleagues' than trying to stop them.

Posted by: Firehand at December 22, 2009 02:25 PM (fxepa)

69 There was no advantage in delaying this until the last hour, unless you think inconveniencing some staffers is a feather in your cap.

Inconveniencing them is a start.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at December 22, 2009 02:25 PM (n2wxa)

70 Rob - I know, but it'll be a start.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 22, 2009 02:25 PM (9c/Xv)

71 51 >>>And Allah over at HotAir does make some sense in saying that the vote will get a bit more publicity. Overall I guess I'm willing to forgo the outrageous outrage and just move on to the next phase in the battle.

Allah probably predicted that the Redskins would win the Super Bowl this year too. More fluff he picked up from his buddy Frum

Posted by: kbdabear at December 22, 2009 02:26 PM (sYxEE)

72 I guess those of you who think Big McConnell with the wobbly chin is just hokey dokey.

Whatever happened to fighting until the last man is standing.......Voice America's doom, anything, not just money.....principles, sell it McConnell for three days and nights......


Posted by: non_dhimmie at December 22, 2009 02:27 PM (zACGu)

73
With his team down 60 to 39 with 5 minutes left on the clock, Coach McConnell asked the refs to call the game. "Hey, Reid's team is gonna win anyway, so why risk injury for no good reason? Besides, we want to beat the crowd out of the stadium." Experts say McConnell's strategy is brilliant because Reid promised to let him watch the coin flip when they play their next game.

Posted by: Flying Monkey at December 22, 2009 02:27 PM (Oxen1)

74 @72 - Those days died with Reagan, I suppose.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 22, 2009 02:28 PM (9c/Xv)

75 Rather than negotiating a more convenient timing for the vote, Republicans should be doing everything they can to PREVENT a vote. No, they can't succeed, but so what? FIGHT DAMMIT!

Posted by: Rob Crawford at December 22, 2009 02:28 PM (n2wxa)

76 Ima gonna let Harry Reid finish, but Mitch McConnell had the greatest surrender speech of all time!

Posted by: Kanye West at December 22, 2009 02:29 PM (9c/Xv)

77
Mitch, I'm real happy for you and imma let you finish, but Michael Jackson had one of the best early departures of the year.

OF ALL TIME !

Posted by: Kanye West at December 22, 2009 02:30 PM (+FzLa)

78 MITCH McCONNELL IN: 

UP IN THE AIR (BY CHRISTMAS EVE)

Posted by: kbdabear at December 22, 2009 02:30 PM (sYxEE)

79 74 @72 - Those days died with Reagan, I suppose.

Makes you realize how much we have lost since Reagan.

Posted by: paranoid polly at December 22, 2009 02:30 PM (r7Vc3)

80 Never mind a few hours, what happened to reading the whole damn bill and holding it up for like a week or so?

Posted by: John Galt at December 22, 2009 02:30 PM (Ylv1H)

81 Ooh, eerie dual posting!

Posted by: Kanye West at December 22, 2009 02:30 PM (9c/Xv)

82 Posted by: California Red at December 22, 2009 06:17 PM We're plenty agree at the Dems. But that the GOP always folds so easily and is so bloody gullible and incompetent is even more infuriating. Anytime the GOP manages to get an edge of any kind, they squander it out of stupidity or taking "the high road." We're not winning anything doing the same play over and over.

Posted by: wherestherum at December 22, 2009 02:30 PM (gofDd)

83 I expect to see the vote to raise the debt ceiling have as much impact on the public as it has every other time they have voted to do it. That is to say none.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 22, 2009 02:30 PM (VW9/y)

84 Whoops, plenty angry. See? I'm so pissed I can't spell the right words!

Posted by: wherestherum at December 22, 2009 02:31 PM (gofDd)

85 Never thought that I would say this but... I miss Bill Frist.

sigh

Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at December 22, 2009 02:31 PM (iKoyq)

86 Polly - I'm afraid we may never get it back. 

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 22, 2009 02:31 PM (9c/Xv)

87 We're down 3-0 to the Yankees, no team has never come back from that. We just want to get back home to our kids in time for Halloween, so we're going to cede the AL pennant to them

Posted by: 2004 Boston Red Sox at December 22, 2009 02:32 PM (sYxEE)

88 @83 What this guy said.

Posted by: somegoodman at December 22, 2009 02:33 PM (w3ciC)

89
Mitch McConnell is Ben Richards in......


THE RUNNING AWAY MAN

Posted by: Blazer at December 22, 2009 02:34 PM (+FzLa)

90 We're down with a few seconds left in the 4th quarter, so we're gonna let Rothelisberger just take a knee and hit the showers.

Posted by: Pittsburgh Steelers at December 22, 2009 02:34 PM (9c/Xv)

91 McConnell always calls Sean, Rush, Levin etc whenever they question his backbone. He knows they're off this week, so he won't have to throw all sorts of BS to millions of listeners as to how he's got titanium in his spine

Posted by: kbdabear at December 22, 2009 02:35 PM (sYxEE)

92 Posted by: Blazer at December 22, 2009 06:34 PM (+FzLa)

Clever.

Posted by: Horatius at December 22, 2009 02:36 PM (evMRo)

93 91 We're down with a few seconds left in the 4th quarter, so we're gonna let Rothelisberger just take a knee and hit the showers.

Posted by: Pittsburgh Steelers at December 22, 2009 06:34 PM (9c/Xv)

That would be great!

Posted by: Green Bay Packers at December 22, 2009 02:36 PM (Fbdn3)

94 Our only hope is that Sen. Sheets Byrd (D-KKK) drops from a heart attack whilst removing his sheet and hood from the dryer.

Don't care that the comment is shitty, they deserve it.

Posted by: MPFS, Right Wing, Nutjob, Birther, KKK Member, Bircher, Vindictive, Nazi, Jewish Fish Stick at December 22, 2009 02:36 PM (iYbLN)

95
1987 Denver Broncos: The Drive

2009 Senate GOP: The Dive

Posted by: Blazer at December 22, 2009 02:37 PM (+FzLa)

96 We're down to 2 outs, down two runs, and there's just no way we can make it up. The Red Sox promised us they'd invite us to the trophy presentation.

Posted by: 1986 Mets at December 22, 2009 02:37 PM (sYxEE)

97 The final cloture vote will be sometime tomorrow. If a Democrat misses that vote it'd be huge. But they only need 51 on Thursday.

Pressure them.

Ask them if they knew about the 2/3rds vote for death panels.  Ask Nelson if he really wants to take the stink off of Nebraska then he will vote no on the second cloture vote.

Tell him he was bamboozled by Reid and he doesn't have to go with a dishonest deal.

Tell McCaskell that we want to go over this bill with a fine-tooth comb as to the wonderful particulars that she says will be given to us.

It can't hurt.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 22, 2009 02:38 PM (T0NGe)

98 The point is to all the naysayers of us naysayers, Ried got something for NOTHING.

McConnell just as easily could have said, its your schedule Harry, delay your vote until after the New Year if you want to go home.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at December 22, 2009 02:38 PM (DIYmd)

99 Reid: Scramblin' Joe Namath.

McConnell: Jim Everett, King of the Self-Sack

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 22, 2009 02:38 PM (9c/Xv)

100 The steel in my head makes me stoooopid.

Posted by: Rothelisberger at December 22, 2009 02:38 PM (r7Vc3)

101 1973 NY Mets: YA GOTTA BELIEVE!

2009 GOP: WE GOTTA LEAVE!

Posted by: kbdabear at December 22, 2009 02:39 PM (sYxEE)

102 Basically, in talent, though not character, Mr. McConnell strikes me as Meade. Good man, not the general for victory. I base this only on the little I can see, realizing that I cannot see that which does not happen because it was prevented.

Posted by: Horatius at December 22, 2009 02:40 PM (evMRo)

103 Never mind a few hours, what happened to reading the whole damn bill and holding it up for like a week or so?

Posted by: John Galt at December 22, 2009 06:30 PM (Ylv1H)

Yeah, I'm real curious about that, too.  What happened to that idea?

Posted by: stuiec at December 22, 2009 02:41 PM (Ate22)

104 Yeah, I would like to leave early for Christmas Eve but I have... what's the word...hmmmm, RESPONSIBILITY to be here and do my job.
STFU McConnell.

Posted by: MPFS, Right Wing, Nutjob, Birther, KKK Member, Bircher, Vindictive, Nazi, Jewish Fish Stick at December 22, 2009 02:41 PM (iYbLN)

105 101 The steel in my head makes me stoooopid.

Posted by: Rothelisberger at December 22, 2009 06:38 PM (r7Vc3

That's not me.

Posted by: The Steel in Ben Rothelisberger's head at December 22, 2009 02:41 PM (Fbdn3)

106 1980 USA Olympic Hockey Team: MIRACLE ON ICE

2009 GOP Senate: DEBACLE OF NICE

Posted by: kbdabear at December 22, 2009 02:42 PM (sYxEE)

107
The Russians have successfully launched a satellite into earth orbit, so there is no point in attempting to stop their dominance of space. I have spoken with my cabinet and will seek to have all funds transferred from our space efforts to the Peace Corps.

Posted by: John F Kennedy at December 22, 2009 02:43 PM (Oxen1)

108 #98
Exactly. Chain the doors shut - Shut out the lights - Until they read the entire bill.

Posted by: paranoid polly at December 22, 2009 02:43 PM (r7Vc3)

109 The point is to all the naysayers of us naysayers, Ried got something for NOTHING.

In other news, water is wet.

Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at December 22, 2009 02:43 PM (iKoyq)

110

Brian Collins KXXV TV WACO: Boom Goes The Dynamite !!

Senate GOP: Hurry Up, We'll Miss Our Flight !!

Posted by: Blazer at December 22, 2009 02:43 PM (+FzLa)

111 "FAILURE IS AN OPTION"

Posted by: Gene Kranz at December 22, 2009 02:45 PM (sYxEE)

112

Mitch McConnell = Tom Hagen.

We need a Michael Corleone.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at December 22, 2009 02:46 PM (hd0Vh)

113 Attack Trenton?  But it's Christmas Eve!  We should all go home early tonight.  I have assurances from the British that they will raise taxes if we do.

Posted by: George Washington at December 22, 2009 02:47 PM (h60Tu)

114
Mr. Gorbachev, please remove the graffiti from this wall!

Posted by: Twillight Zone Reagan at December 22, 2009 02:47 PM (Oxen1)

115 Basically, in talent, though not character, Mr. McConnell strikes me as Meade. Good man, not the general for victory. I base this only on the little I can see, realizing that I cannot see that which does not happen because it was prevented.

Posted by: Horatius at December 22, 2009 06:40 PM (evMRo)

I hear that McConnell gathered his caucus at a steakhouse and gave a rousing pep talk.  "Bernie Sanders?  Inconvenienced!  Ben Nelson?  Inconvenienced!!!  Harry Reid?  Inconvenienced, inconvenienced, INCONVENIENCED!!!"  All the while stabbing the table with a butter knife.

Actually, IF the cloture vote in the wee small hours Monday cut off the prospect of getting the bill and amendments read on the Senate floor -- and I don't know why they didn't insist on that reading before the cloture vote -- then maybe the deal on the debt ceiling vote was the best he could get.  But I still think there were some opportunities lost.

Posted by: stuiec at December 22, 2009 02:47 PM (Ate22)

116 Again, cut it with the military analogies. They're inane.

Unless you want to explain why it would have been more heroic for Custer to die 11 hours later, that is.

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 22, 2009 02:48 PM (KY7vG)

117 Basically, what I regret is that by not forcing a Christmas Eve vote, the epic has been taken out of it. We remember the Alamo because of the epic nature of the defiance of doomed defenders. We have forgotten Goliad because it was merely a loss and a massacre.

Epic matters. It serves as inspiration for the future, as well as gives the foe a marker that his victories will be hard fought and not easily achieved.

This is an opportunity missed. As well as an indicator that the current GOP is not ever going to be the solution.  


Posted by: Horatius at December 22, 2009 02:48 PM (evMRo)

118 Is this the Senate, or the House of Lords?

Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at December 22, 2009 02:48 PM (dQdrY)

119
Brave McConnell ran away, away
When Santa showed his bearded head
McConnell turned his tail and fled..

Posted by: Sir Robin at December 22, 2009 02:48 PM (sYxEE)

120 I want them to have to wheel "Sheets" Byrd into the chamber for the vote on Christmas Eve.

Posted by: TC at December 22, 2009 02:48 PM (QXKjZ)

121 95 Our only hope is that Sen. Sheets Byrd (D-KKK) drops from a heart attack whilst removing his sheet and hood from the dryer.

Don't care that the comment is shitty, they deserve it.

Posted by: MPFS, Right Wing, Nutjob, Birther, KKK Member, Bircher, Vindictive, Nazi, Jewish Fish Stick at December 22, 2009 06:36 PM (iYbLN)

kinda crowded in there, isn't it?

Posted by: the Butcher at December 22, 2009 02:49 PM (MkhK0)

122 It was barely, what, 48-72 hours ago that the GOP Senators put together this youtube vid encouraging everyone to keep going, don't give up, call your senators and congressmen and demand that they vote no?

See, when you do things like that after having promised that you would force the dems to read every stinking word of that crap bill out loud and allow the American people to hear what the libs hath wrought, then for you, Senator McConnell, to basically throw in the towel - it has a way of demoralizing the in-the-trenches grass roots support.

It also makes us very wary of you - if you and the leadership are backing away after saying you wouldn't, what's to say you won't do the same when it comes to Cap N Tax?  or Amnesty?

Posted by: Intrepid at December 22, 2009 02:49 PM (92zkk)

123 McConnell always calls Sean, Rush, Levin etc whenever they question his backbone. He knows they're off this week, so he won't have to throw all sorts of BS to millions of listeners as to how he's got titanium in his spine

Posted by: kbdabear at December 22, 2009 06:35 PM (sYxEE)

I am told that when radio hosts are away from their home stations, they have the technological capability to join their programs from a remote location.  It would not be inconceivable for one or more of those hosts to break radio silence to shame McConnell into at least calling in to justify himself.

Posted by: stuiec at December 22, 2009 02:50 PM (Ate22)

124
Its a good thing I just let Robin Ventura rush the mound and have his way with me. If I would have fought back he may have gotten pissed for real and hurt me good.

Posted by: Nolan Ryan at December 22, 2009 02:51 PM (+FzLa)

125 Unless you want to explain why it would have been more heroic for Custer to die 11 hours later, that is.

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 22, 2009 06:48 PM (KY7vG)

Life is precious?

Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at December 22, 2009 02:51 PM (dQdrY)

126 126
Its a good thing I just let Robin Ventura rush the mound and have his way with me. If I would have fought back he may have gotten pissed for real and hurt me good.

Posted by: Nolan Ryan at December 22, 2009 06:51 PM (+FzLa)

Hope my face didn't hurt your fist too bad.

Posted by: Robin Ventura at December 22, 2009 02:53 PM (Fbdn3)

127 118 Again, cut it with the military analogies. They're inane.

Not when McConnell pledges to throw in everything to fight, then throws the fight. His excuse that they're all tired and want to be home with their families for Christmas just shows the people how pampered and out of touch those inside the Beltway are.

You hold on as long as you can even against the odds in the hope that some event will pull your ass out of the fire. The opposition of the far left is growing bigger and it's possible that a few Dems could have gone rogue on the demands of the far left base.

Mitch threw us all under the bus.

Posted by: kbdabear at December 22, 2009 02:53 PM (sYxEE)

128 The left will always call the right "partisan!" and "obstructionists!", because that is what they do.  No matter what path the GOP leadership had chosen, the libs would have called us "the party of NO!" just for voting NO in the cloture vote and/or in the final vote for passage.

It wouldn't matter.  This retreat from McConnell won't buy the GOP any real goodwill points from the Dems.  It will only dishearten the right.

Posted by: Intrepid at December 22, 2009 02:55 PM (92zkk)

129 Bring them to me!

Posted by: Mayon The Ash Breather at December 22, 2009 02:55 PM (iKoyq)

130 Hey Mitch, you'll shot your balls off!


Posted by: Ralphie Parker at December 22, 2009 02:56 PM (sYxEE)

131 What happened to Obama's pledge of putting legislation up on the web for prople to read  first. That doesn't even get mentioned anymore. 

Posted by: TC at December 22, 2009 02:57 PM (QXKjZ)

132
Mitch McConnell is Vassili Zaitsev in....


ENEMA AT THE GATES

Posted by: Blazer at December 22, 2009 02:58 PM (+FzLa)

133 What McConnell's decision might do is produce an uptick in the number of folks who identify more with the Tea Party movement than the GOP.

Posted by: Intrepid at December 22, 2009 02:58 PM (92zkk)

134 Hey Mitch, when I tell ya leave town, ya better leave town!

Posted by: Scut Reid at December 22, 2009 02:58 PM (sYxEE)

135

Its neat to read comments from people sitting at their desks at home bellowing about staying and fighting til Thursday night at 7 pm ...  

Its easy to talk about fighting when all we do is type ...

they extracted some good votes out of Reid and will win the news cycles on Thursday night and thru the weekend ...

I'll trade 11 meaningless hours for that ...

Posted by: Jeff at December 22, 2009 02:59 PM (J5Pzf)

136 Look, it must be ITALIAN!! - Clo-ture-ayyy!



Posted by: The Old Man at December 22, 2009 03:01 PM (sYxEE)

137

Its neat to read comments from people sitting at their desks at home bellowing about staying and fighting til Thursday night at 7 pm ...  


Its easy to talk about fighting when all we do is type ...

they extracted some good votes out of Reid and will win the news cycles on Thursday night and thru the weekend ...

I'll trade 11 meaningless hours for that ...

Posted by: Jeff at December 22, 2009 06:59 PM (J5Pzf)



Really? I'll tell you what buster, next time I'm out directing crews to climb poles in the middle of the night after an ice storm to turn folks power back on, we'll just fold it on up because we're all just too tired and hungry.

Hopefully you won't be one of the folks we just can't get to.

Posted by: Blazer at December 22, 2009 03:03 PM (+FzLa)

138

they extracted some good votes out of Reid and will win the news cycles on Thursday night and thru the weekend ...

I'll trade 11 meaningless hours for that ..

Yeh, they got a cross my heart and hope to die promise from Harry. We can really take that one to the bank

Posted by: kbdabear at December 22, 2009 03:03 PM (sYxEE)

139 Unless you want to explain why it would have been more heroic for Custer to die 11 hours later, that is.

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 22, 2009 06:48 PM (KY7vG)

It was critical that the 300 held as long as they did at Thermopylae.  It bought the rest of Greece time to join the war, and more crucially, the inspiration to do so through the example that the Persians, though victorious, were not superhuman.

Posted by: stuiec at December 22, 2009 03:03 PM (Ate22)

140 Its easy to talk about fighting when all we do is type ...

But you forget Jeff, they work for us.

they extracted some good votes out of Reid and will win the news cycles on Thursday night and thru the weekend

News cycles?  What the fuck are you smoking?  Libtards own the news cycles, you think all of a sudden Katie Courier is going to get herself into a lather over raising the debt ceiling for libtard programs?


Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at December 22, 2009 03:04 PM (iKoyq)

141 the best person for the job - mitch mcconnell?  time for change...definitely. thune is by far the best i've seen in that bunch.

Posted by: a.corcoran at December 22, 2009 03:05 PM (xnQMh)

142

Are all you R mouthpieces trying to help the Tea Party?

 

Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at December 22, 2009 03:05 PM (dQdrY)

143 Its neat to read comments from people sitting at their desks at home bellowing about staying and fighting til Thursday night at 7 pm ...

Hey I am at work and I will be here on xmas eve as well. I get paid to do so. I'll head up home when I am done here @ work. Since these are my reps up there in  crapitol hill - I would want them to do their fricking jobs. No matter what day it is and what time. McConnell and the GOP should be doing what they told us they would do. Fight for us.  Engage your brain before you hit post.

Posted by: paranoid polly at December 22, 2009 03:07 PM (r7Vc3)

144 >>>141 Unless you want to explain why it would have been more heroic for Custer to die 11 hours later, that is.

If Custer had fought for 11 more hours, he would be perceived differently today.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at December 22, 2009 03:07 PM (mGSN1)

145 This is what pisses me off.

I want each of you to think about what it means to be a senator in this country.

Now think of all the trappings of power that come with the position.

30 person staff.
1 million a year in petty cash.
Travel anywhere in the world for free.
Free uber private special medical insurance.
Free food, and drink.
Free housing.
And the list goes on..... and on.... and on...

Whhaaaa!  I want to go home for Christmas!

Fucking assholes.

Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at December 22, 2009 03:09 PM (iKoyq)

146 Senator McConnell anxiously runs into the plane's lavotory with his Orphan Annie Secret Decoder ring to decipher the promise from Harry Reid..

D O N T F O R G E T T O D R I N K Y O U R K O O L A I D

Posted by: kbdabear at December 22, 2009 03:11 PM (sYxEE)

147

Its neat to read comments from people sitting at their desks at home bellowing about staying and fighting til Thursday night at 7 pm ...  


Speak for yourself douchebag.  Those people work for us, and are failing miserably at what they themselves promised to do.  Insipid GOP leadership is what cost control of the Congress in '06, and McDumbass is guaranteeing that we won't get it back anytime soon either.

Posted by: Hatchet Five at December 22, 2009 03:12 PM (6Nv5B)

148 It was critical that the 300 held as long as they did at Thermopylae.  It bought the rest of Greece time to join the war, and more crucially, the inspiration to do so through the example that the Persians, though victorious, were not superhuman.

Come on. Which bit is analogous to delaying a vote for 11 hours?

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 22, 2009 03:14 PM (KY7vG)

149

The perception is:

The Republicans are quitters. Gloss the "11 meaningless" hours how you like. This is a PR fuckup.

Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at December 22, 2009 03:15 PM (dQdrY)

150 Waterhouse, it is patently obvious at this point that you don't get fighting, leadership, or much of anything else.  The GOP is about to go the way of the Whig party, and idiots like you are part of the problem.  Good day.

Posted by: Hatchet Five at December 22, 2009 03:15 PM (6Nv5B)

151 What's the use? Republicans have not been able to stop anything that floats out of Reid's office. They lack strategic capabilities and backbones. It is time they go home and tell their mother's the other kids aren't playing fair. They can come back when they are ready to fight, otherwise stay the hell out of Washington.

Posted by: FPC at December 22, 2009 03:17 PM (qZb8X)

152 141 Unless you want to explain why it would have been more heroic for Custer to die 11 hours later, that is.

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 22, 2009 06:48 PM (KY7vG)

It was critical that the 300 held as long as they did at Thermopylae.  It bought the rest of Greece time to join the war, and more crucially, the inspiration to do so through the example that the Persians, though victorious, were not superhuman.

Posted by: stuiec at December 22, 2009 07:03 PM (Ate22)

Washington's attack on Trenton didn't win the war for the Colonists, but it bought some credibility for us with the French, who were still on the fence about throwing in with us.

Although the 101st Airborne vets of Bastogne still swear they could have broken out without Patton's help, their holdout did buy time for lots of help from Patton's 3rd Army

I still contend that growing opposition from the far left could have made a few senators nervous enough to delay this long enough to build up too much opposition for them to pass this crap



Posted by: kbdabear at December 22, 2009 03:18 PM (sYxEE)

153 I'm with Waterhouse on this one.

Posted by: Randy Moss at December 22, 2009 03:19 PM (mGSN1)

154

You're right, I should just fork over 20% of my pay to the Federal government and shut the fuck up.  Where do I get off telling them what to do?

Now you're gettin' it.

Posted by: The Federal Government at December 22, 2009 03:19 PM (Fbdn3)

155 I'm with Waterhouse on this one.

Posted by: Randy Moss at December 22, 2009 07:19 PM (mGSN1)

You're late for your flight, too?

Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at December 22, 2009 03:21 PM (dQdrY)

156 Is #37 directed at Ace or Drew.  Or both.

Posted by: Pelvis at December 22, 2009 03:21 PM (LlaBi)

157 Dunkirk was a loss for the British forces, but by delaying the Germans they managed to rescue thousands who would live to fight and win another day.

Posted by: kbdabear at December 22, 2009 03:22 PM (sYxEE)

158 Posted by: Waterhouse at December 22, 2009 07:14 PM (KY7vG)

It's the spirit that says over my dead body.

Posted by: Horatius at December 22, 2009 03:22 PM (evMRo)

159 You can't explain honor to those who don't have it.

Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at December 22, 2009 03:23 PM (dQdrY)

160 They've got 1st and inches to go. Screw this goal line stand BS, they're going to score anyway.

Oh, 3rd and 18? Time to punt, it's cold out and the we're tired.

Posted by: Coach Waterhouse at December 22, 2009 03:25 PM (sYxEE)

161 Waterhouse, it is patently obvious at this point that you don't get fighting, leadership, or much of anything else.

Explain how it would be so incredibly inspirational to you to lose a 7pm vote instead of losing an 8 am vote.

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 22, 2009 03:25 PM (KY7vG)

162 According to the headline at Drudge, the debt limit vote is happening on Christmas Eve.

Posted by: t-bone at December 22, 2009 03:26 PM (Xpxvu)

163

The perception is:

The Republicans are quitters. Gloss the "11 meaningless" hours how you like. This is a PR fuckup.

Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at December 22, 2009 07:15 PM (dQdrY)




Yep, and Mitch picking his ball up and going home so he doesn't miss out on any Christmas cookies hot out of the oven is a hell of a way to rally the troops and the grassroots support.




Posted by: Blazer at December 22, 2009 03:27 PM (+FzLa)

164 The White House press secretary in today's briefing stated very clearly that the date for the State of the Union address hasn't been set.  Sounds like some GOP staffer is desperately spinning a really bad decision by the Majority Leader. 

Posted by: VirgilHiltz at December 22, 2009 03:27 PM (KCFs9)

165

Let's just stand around, all Pisarchik has to do is kneel down and the Giants win

Posted by: Herm Edwards, 78 Eagles at December 22, 2009 03:27 PM (sYxEE)

166 Fail on the sports analogy, yet again.

Either explain how you think delaying the vote means there's even a CHANCE you could win, or explain why it's so much more awesome to lose the 8:30 game than the 1 o'clock game.

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 22, 2009 03:28 PM (KY7vG)

167 Correction, I meant "Minority Leader".

Posted by: VirgilHiltz at December 22, 2009 03:28 PM (KCFs9)

168 Defending the indefensible. Count me out. I'm not interested in the corn in Reid's shit when the whole turkey is on the table and should be fought over tooth, nail, talon and fang.

Posted by: maddogg at December 22, 2009 03:28 PM (bPBGI)

169 Explain how it would be so incredibly inspirational to you to lose a 7pm vote instead of losing an 8 am vote.

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 22, 2009 07:25 PM (KY7vG)

Who would have said "Remember the Alamo" had we just given into Santa Ana when he demanded surrender? Why fight on, we're going to die to the last man anyway.


Posted by: Davey Crockett at December 22, 2009 03:30 PM (sYxEE)

170 If Drudge is right, Ried has already renigged on the deal

Posted by: Kasper Hauser at December 22, 2009 03:32 PM (ZiQz8)

171 169 According to the headline at Drudge, the debt limit vote is happening on Christmas Eve.

Posted by: t-bone at December 22, 2009 07:26 PM (Xpxvu)


As Charlie Brown McConnell flies through the air once more to land on his ass

Posted by: kbdabear at December 22, 2009 03:32 PM (sYxEE)

172 Explain how it would be so incredibly inspirational to you to lose a 7pm vote instead of losing an 8 am vote.

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 22, 2009 07:25 PM (KY7vG)

It would have convinced me not all Rs are elitist bureaucrats. They accomplished the opposite of inspiration.

Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at December 22, 2009 03:32 PM (dQdrY)

173 The reason this does not make sense to me is that the Democrats are trying to rush this through before anyone can find out whats in it. So we oblige them? Mitch is playing three D chess. The problem is it's only a game of checkers.

Posted by: Locus Ceruleus at December 22, 2009 03:33 PM (tzcjs)

174
If Drudge is right, Ried has already renigged on the deal

Posted by: Kasper Hauser at December 22, 2009 07:32 PM (ZiQz





God, I hope he did. I'll send Harry Reid a f'ckin' Christmas card and a cigar if he did.

Posted by: Blazer at December 22, 2009 03:34 PM (+FzLa)

175 Who would have said "Remember the Alamo" had we just given into Santa Ana when he demanded surrender? Why fight on, we're going to die to the last man anyway.

It'd be great if one of you could actually come up with an apt analogy.

In the Alamo case, for instance, the analogous choice is not "surrender" or "get slaughtered". The choice is "get slaughtered now" and "get slaughtered 11 hours later".

Would you now find it less inspiring if the Alamo had fallen 11 hours earlier?

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 22, 2009 03:34 PM (KY7vG)

176 Can Reid Cancel the Deal? I am assured "no." I'm told this is a unanimous consent motion, and to undo such a motion requires, itself, unanimous consent. Since any of 40 Republicans would be expected to object and so not give unanimous consent, the idea is no, based on how it was voted in, it cannot be voted out.

169 According to the headline at Drudge, the debt limit vote is happening on Christmas Eve.

Just some advice Ace, don't take any stock market or football picks from this guy

Posted by: kbdabear at December 22, 2009 03:35 PM (sYxEE)

177 164 Posted by: Waterhouse at December 22, 2009 07:14 PM (KY7vG)

It's the spirit that says over my dead body.

Posted by: Horatius at December 22, 2009 07:22 PM (evMRo)


It's the spirit of the Melians. It's the spirit of Churchill, of Bunker Hill, of Lexington, of the Battle of Britain, of the Birmingham jail and the Edmund Pettis bridge, of every thing that has ever been achieved in this world that was worth achieving--the spirit that says "I might win, I might lose, but I will fight, and they will know they have been fought, and they will know that if I am defeated, that as soon as I can I'll be back to fight again." It is sheer bloody defiance. It is the spirit of North and South, of Crazy Horse and Custer, the spirit that says "this far and no farther", and when this spirit is gone, when everything is mere political calculation and desires for comfort, then it will be time to lament the loss of liberty, for that liberty will be there to grab by anyone who has an imperious spirit and a desire to grab it. 

This spirit of manhood, this spirit that some things must be resisted, this is the spirit that made this land, this nation--and you will be seeing it again, I can assure you of that. Oh, I can assure you of that. 

Posted by: Horatius at December 22, 2009 03:35 PM (evMRo)

178
Mitch McConnell in Paul Verhoeven's......



TOTALL HEE HAW.....HEE HAW

Posted by: Blazer at December 22, 2009 03:37 PM (+FzLa)

179
Mitch McConnell in....

PA W N E D

Posted by: Dr. Spank at December 22, 2009 03:38 PM (mGSN1)

180 Call me when the shootin' starts.

Posted by: tangonine at December 22, 2009 03:39 PM (C8Pcc)

181 the spirit that says "I might win, I might lose,

Again, no. You will lose. Your choice is to lose at 8 am or 7 pm. Big fucking deal.

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 22, 2009 03:39 PM (KY7vG)

182 Would you now find it less inspiring if the Alamo had fallen 11 hours earlier?

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 22, 2009 07:34 PM (KY7vG)

Yes, if they'd simply surrendered rather than fight to the last man. You are missing the whole idea of appearances here, which is huge in politics. I suggest that you go back to the Frum Forum and tell them that there was no use in fighting with the AoS morons who weren't going to change their minds now, so why keep arguing when the result is going to be the same

We elect and pay these guys to do everything they can even if it looks futile, not give lip service, get suckered on a debt ceiling deal, and then go home early.

Posted by: kbdabear at December 22, 2009 03:39 PM (sYxEE)

183

Mitch McConnell:

Leading losers where they wanted to go anyway.

Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at December 22, 2009 03:40 PM (dQdrY)

184 With all the military analogies I'm glad Hitler had the same mind thoughts at Stalingrad.

Posted by: polynikes at December 22, 2009 03:41 PM (T81Uv)

185 Again, no. You will lose. Your choice is to lose at 8 am or 7 pm. Big fucking deal.

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 22, 2009 07:39 PM (KY7vG)


Then I choose 7 pm. Obviously, you are not happy people are criticizing this decision. Oh well. What was that phrase? Oh, yes: "Big f****ing deal." 

Posted by: Horatius at December 22, 2009 03:42 PM (evMRo)

186 Man, it hurts getting screwed by McConnell again

Posted by: The Pooch at December 22, 2009 03:42 PM (sYxEE)

187 Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile. Your future is at an end.  Welcome to the state of dependence where homes are cheap and so is life. Like always, like never before we are expensive and built to stay that way. So don't just sit there, pull something.

Posted by: Detoit Borg Central at December 22, 2009 03:42 PM (qZb8X)

188

We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France DC
we shall fight on the seas and oceans creeks, rivers, bayous, and bays
we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island Liberty, whatever the cost may be,
we shall fight on the beaches,
we shall fight on the landing grounds,
we shall fight in the fields and in the streets,
we shall fight in the hills;
we shall never surrender, and even if, which I do not for a moment believe, this Island Republic or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our Empire beyond the seas Country, armed and guarded by the British Fleet United States Armed Forces, would carry on the struggle, until, in God's good time, the New World true patriots, with all its their power and might, step forth to the rescue and the liberation of the old us all,

or at least, until noon on Christmas Eve.  Then all bets are off.  Seriously."

Posted by: Winston McConnell at December 22, 2009 03:43 PM (MkhK0)

189 The longer the vote is delayed, the greater chance that it fails. 11 more hours of having your constituents tell you what a joke this bill is, is a good thing.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at December 22, 2009 03:43 PM (mGSN1)

190
Mitch McConnell singing The Who classic....


WE

WILL

GET

FOOLED

AGAIN

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAH !!!!

Posted by: Blazer at December 22, 2009 03:44 PM (+FzLa)

191 There will be a substantial penalty for early withdrawl.

Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at December 22, 2009 03:44 PM (dQdrY)

192 Obviously, you are not happy people are criticizing this decision.

No, I'm not pretending it makes a difference that it's not 7 pm.

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 22, 2009 03:44 PM (KY7vG)

193 Why would I EVER give a shit when those assholes get to go home for Christmas? They've ruined mine. They're all pricks.

Posted by: mare at December 22, 2009 03:45 PM (X1fsj)

194 This was over when the Germans bombed Perl Harbor.

Posted by: Senator Blutarski at December 22, 2009 03:45 PM (qZb8X)

195 Posted by: Waterhouse at December 22, 2009 07:44 PM (KY7vG)

Does, and I will govern my actions accordingly.

Posted by: Horatius at December 22, 2009 03:46 PM (evMRo)

196 It's not about analogies, it's about the demoralizing of the very grass-roots the GOP had just a 48 hours earlier encouraged to not give up, to keep calling their senators and congressmen and urging them to vote NO on this bill.

It's going back on the promise to make them read the bill, every word, in front of the senate and on C-SPAN, so the American people could finally hear exactly what is in this crap sandwich we're about to be forced to eat.

Yes it is a tactical move, one that supposedly netted the GOP some influence on when the debt ceiling debate would be held.  But the gain is not worth what was lost, when what was lost was credibility with the GOP's own base.

They said they would fight till the end, but didn't, not really.  So why should we believe them if they say they'll fight till the end against Cap N Tax?

Posted by: Intrepid at December 22, 2009 03:48 PM (92zkk)

197 Wouldn't it have been easier if Rosa Parks just went to the back of the bus? She still would have gotten to the same stop.

Posted by: Flying Monkey at December 22, 2009 03:49 PM (Oxen1)

Posted by: kbdabear at December 22, 2009 03:50 PM (sYxEE)

199 Senate sets Christmas eve vote on U.S. debt limit

HEY MITCH, HOW DOES MY ASS TASTE?

BWAHHH HAHHH HAHHHH!!!!

Posted by: Dingy Harry at December 22, 2009 03:52 PM (sYxEE)

200 I am inspired to not vote for any incumbents.

Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at December 22, 2009 03:53 PM (dQdrY)

201 See?  If they're really going to do the debt limit debate on Christmas eve evening, then that paultry 11 hour delay could have made all the difference if the GOP had just STUCK TO ITS FREAKIN' GUNS!


Posted by: Intrepid at December 22, 2009 03:54 PM (92zkk)

202 199 Obviously, you are not happy people are criticizing this decision.

No, I'm not pretending it makes a difference that it's not 7 pm.
Posted by: Waterhouse at December 22, 2009 07:44 PM

Does Frum let you knock off early from trolling here since you're not going to change any minds if you go on for two more hours?

Posted by: kbdabear at December 22, 2009 03:54 PM (sYxEE)

203 Inability. Sight.  Forest.  Trees.  Some assembly required.

Posted by: Intrepid at December 22, 2009 03:55 PM (92zkk)

204 209 See?  If they're really going to do the debt limit debate on Christmas eve evening, then that paultry 11 hour delay could have made all the difference if the GOP had just STUCK TO ITS FREAKIN' GUNS!

Don't tell that to Waterhouse, it made no difference. What's a little more fucking over since they were going to do it a month from now anyway.

Posted by: kbdabear at December 22, 2009 03:56 PM (sYxEE)

205

OT: Bin Laden came within minutes of killing Bill Clinton in 1996.

Former President Bill Clinton came within minutes of being assassinated in the Philippines by terrorists controlled by Osama bin Laden, a new book has revealed.

The US leader was saved shortly before his car was due to drive over a bridge in Manila where a bomb had been planted.

The foiled attack came during Mr Clinton's visit to the Asia Pacific Economic Cooperation forum in the city in 1996.

Posted by: stuiec at December 22, 2009 03:56 PM (Ate22)

206
I think ace is getting some bad intelligence from whoever he's getting it from because the Drudge article says the GOP is voting against the debt limit, not for it and its taking place on Christmas Eve.

"Senate Democrats may approve the measure largely by themselves because most, if not all, Republicans are expected to vote against it, Republican aides said. Democrats control the Senate, 60-40."

Either Reid is not honoring the agreement or whoever ace was corresponding with is lying through their teeth trying to cover somebodies ass.

Posted by: Blazer at December 22, 2009 03:57 PM (+FzLa)

207 Whaddya wanna bet "Waterhouse" is one of Mitch McConnell's staff?


Posted by: Intrepid at December 22, 2009 03:57 PM (92zkk)

208

Starting Friday in a theater near you:

MR. MCCONNELL GOES TO WASHINGTON AND GETS KICKED IN THE NUTS REPEATEDLY

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 22, 2009 03:57 PM (P33XN)

209

Is it Waterhouse or Waterhead? Can't keep track.

Keep fuckin' that chicken, Waterhead.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 22, 2009 03:59 PM (P33XN)

210 Typical McConnell -- posture, procedure and protocol.  No conservative message... 

It's time to step aside.  Mitch is like having a lineman be your quarterback.  Good in the trenches, but you get no where and always lose. 

Posted by: drfredc at December 22, 2009 03:59 PM (ljMiA)

211 Harry Reid = Scut Farkus
Mitch McConnel = Ralphie in pink bunny suit

Posted by: MPFS, Right Wing, Nutjob, KKK Member, Vindictive, Nazi, Jewish Fish Stick at December 22, 2009 04:00 PM (PBGAP)

212 Whaddya wanna bet "Waterhouse" is one of Mitch McConnell's staff?


Posted by: Intrepid at December 22, 2009 07:57 PM (92zkk)

His, 38 others, what's the difference? Only DeMint seems trustworthy. And if he packs his bags early, screw him too.

Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at December 22, 2009 04:00 PM (dQdrY)

213 Does Frum let you knock off early from trolling here since you're not going to change any minds if you go on for two more hours?

What an excellent argument.

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 22, 2009 04:01 PM (KY7vG)

214
Obviously Harry Reid has quite the sense of humor. Who woulda thunk ?

Posted by: Blazer at December 22, 2009 04:01 PM (+FzLa)

215 Allahpundit over and over again proves he is a Dem hack.  He must have some awesome photos of Malkin.

Reid was faced with a Christmas Eve cramdown, but Mush McConnell bailed him out.  Pathetic.  But typically Republican.

Posted by: louis tully at December 22, 2009 04:01 PM (Vc/xe)

216 McConnel you worthless fucking asshole, Reid engages in the worst form of corruption including bribes and midnight votes to rape the American people and you refer to him as "your good friend"?  I hope your plane crashes on the way home and you are impaled on the flagpole of a real patriot veteran who hangs his flag each day after fighting for all the rights that you just happily pissed away.  If you are still alive tomorrow, I will consider it a failure. 

Posted by: Jack Burton at December 22, 2009 04:03 PM (YxJoH)

217 Although I'm disappointed that Senator Reid went back on our deal fucked me in the ass and bragged about it, I refuse to criticize my friend and colleague of many years.

Posted by: Mitch "Harry's Bitch" McConnell at December 22, 2009 04:04 PM (sYxEE)

218 Harry Reid:  Jason Voorhees
Mitch McConnell:  Every hot teenage babe engaged in sex w/boyfriend at Youth Camp.

Posted by: Intrepid at December 22, 2009 04:05 PM (92zkk)

219

Drudge is reporting, in holiday green no less, that the Debt-Limit Vote will be held on Christmas Eve.

If true, that's some concession Senator McConnell got. Roughly on par with Enron and GM stock.

Posted by: DaveO at December 22, 2009 04:06 PM (4ZfzP)

220 Explain how it would be so incredibly inspirational to you to lose a 7pm vote instead of losing an 8 am vote.

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 22, 2009 07:25 PM (KY7vG)

Because having the Senate in session on Christmas Eve is highly unusual.  Dragging it on as long as possible would guarantee that the news media could not ignore the Republican opposition to the bill.  And maybe some of the constituents whom the Democrats are so sure will be ecstatic with the bill will get a chance to hear what's actually in it.

Posted by: stuiec at December 22, 2009 04:06 PM (Ate22)

221 221 Does Frum let you knock off early from trolling here since you're not going to change any minds if you go on for two more hours?

What an excellent argument.

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 22, 2009 08:01 PM (KY7vG)

So why are you still here arguing with me and the other morons? We're not going to change our minds now or an hour from now.

My shoes won't be any dirtier an in an hour, now go home and get your fuckin' shine box

Posted by: kbdabear at December 22, 2009 04:07 PM (sYxEE)

222 Explain how it would be so incredibly inspirational to you to lose a 7pm vote instead of losing an 8 am vote.

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 22, 2009 07:25 PM (KY7vG)

Simple.  I want them to be punished and suffer for this shit bill.  Petty?  Yes.  Don't care.

Posted by: MPFS, Right Wing, Nutjob, Birther, KKK Member, Vindictive, Nazi, Jewish Fish Stick at December 22, 2009 04:09 PM (PBGAP)

223 Harry Reid: Porn Queen
Mitch McConnell: Bend Over Boyfriend

Posted by: FPC at December 22, 2009 04:10 PM (qZb8X)

224 It looks like Ace's source and Drudge are both right.

The Hill reports on the debt-limit debates and deal:

The agreement for a pre-recess debt vote struck between Reid and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) also calls for a longer-term debt ceiling raise to hit the Senate floor Jan. 20.

That's one day after the Senate is scheduled to reconvene and one day after the State of the Union is likely to take place. White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel said last month that Obama will use the speech to call for deficit reduction, which fiscal conservatives have pushed for as the deficit reached a record $1.4 trillion in 2009.

The Jan. 20 date for a debt debate was something McConnell wanted, according to a Republican aide. The debate will highlight the record levels of red ink when "Obama tries to reinvent himself [into] something he's clearly not," the aide said.


Posted by: mrp at December 22, 2009 04:10 PM (HjPtV)

225
Mitch McConnell in...


THE BORN YESTERDAY IDENTITY

Posted by: Blazer at December 22, 2009 04:11 PM (+FzLa)

226 Let's see, by quitting early when the fix was in anyway, McConnell gets home in time to make sure he's asleep in his bed when Santa comes. Well, except that Harry sandbagged him and we have the debt vote that wouldn't have happened had Mitch actually had some balls.

Nice call there Waterhouse, what hot stock tips do you have for us

Posted by: kbdabear at December 22, 2009 04:13 PM (sYxEE)

227 White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel said last month that Obama will use the speech to call for deficit reduction

Hey, that's the same day I'm giving my speech on marital fidelity!

Posted by: Tiger Woods at December 22, 2009 04:15 PM (sYxEE)

228 So why are you still here arguing with me and the other morons?

I was actually interested why so many think this is such a huge deal. Saturday was the big game. Saturday was the actual fight. Saturday was the Alamo, or Thermopylae, or the fourth quarter, or whatever. After that it was a done deal, a stupid formality, like the trophy banquet at the end of the season, and I was genuinely curious why there was such outrage over what's essentially a fait accompli. I thought maybe I was missing something, that people actually might have ideas how it could be delayed, that there was still something the GOP could do to stop the shit sandwich. Nope. All I'm getting is a bunch of emo wailing and fucktarded analogies.

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 22, 2009 04:16 PM (KY7vG)

229 So now your criticizing Waterhouse for doing exactly what you have been advocating. Heh.

Posted by: polynikes at December 22, 2009 04:16 PM (2TkLL)

230 Alleged Republican ass guzzlers are more concerned with being home early for Christmas than saving this nation.  I would ask how you people live with yourselves but we all know you could give a complete shit about the hardworking people who pay the bills around this Country.  McConnell, the only reason I will ever spend a an extra second in Kentucky while you are in office will be to find your house and take a shit on your lawn.

Posted by: Jack Burton at December 22, 2009 04:16 PM (YxJoH)

231 Would you now find it less inspiring if the Alamo had fallen 11 hours earlier?

There would be less dead Mexicans. 

More importantly, its about inspiration.
Santa Anna's perceived cruelty during the battle inspired many Texians—both Texas settlers and adventurers from the United States—to join the Texian Army. Buoyed by a desire for revenge, the Texians defeated the Mexican Army at the Battle of San Jacinto, several weeks later, ending the revolution.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at December 22, 2009 04:17 PM (DIYmd)

232 Cut Mitch McConnell some slack, he has never had to go out and buy a dress for Christmas  before and time is running short. He is not in the business of stoping any of this legislation as he is jealous that the Dem's are getting it done and he enjoying holding his ankles while Reid goes to work.

Posted by: FPC at December 22, 2009 04:18 PM (qZb8X)

233 Waterhouse, maybe because the American people expect you and your faggot senators to fight like the country's existence depends on it instead of cutting deals to be home for Christmas.  Fuck you.

Posted by: Jack Burton at December 22, 2009 04:18 PM (YxJoH)

234 see the update, I'm told per the rules, a unanimous consent motion can only be undone unanimously. I believe the Democrat rebuttal will go thusly: HEY, MR. D.C. LAWDOG. LAW DON'T GO AROUND HERE. SAVVY?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 22, 2009 04:22 PM (xGIqT)

235

Mitch McConnell in...

THE SANTA CLAUSE 4: HOME FOR CHRISTMAS

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 22, 2009 04:22 PM (P33XN)

236 Nope. All I'm getting is a bunch of emo wailing and fucktarded analogies.

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 22, 2009 08:16 PM (KY7vG)

Quitters suck, Waterhouse. That's it in a nutshell.

Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at December 22, 2009 04:23 PM (dQdrY)

237 Whaddya wanna bet "Waterhouse" is one of Mitch McConnell's Harry Reid's staff?

FIFY.

At this point I can only conclude that he is either denser than a plutonium core, or a Lib troll.  In either case, he is cordially invited to kiss my ass and then go away.  Especially the latter.

Posted by: Hatchet Five at December 22, 2009 04:24 PM (6Nv5B)

238 Imagine that, all along the Republican leadership was full of a bunch of cowards who are most interested in doing what's easy and convenient instead of fighting for the American way of life that we used to enjoy.  We have soldiers who will be getting shot at on Christmas day, and every other day in the year that the cunts in the Republican party deem too important to work on.  You people disgrace the very concept of courage and commitment. 

At least the illusion of a principled and courageous senate and staff on the Republican side is right out the window.  Instead we have a bunch of pampered cocksuckers who are more concerned that they don't have a awkward moment when they stand on the treadmill next to harry reid.  Fuck you and enjoy your ass licking in the sauna.  How many votes did that cost the American taxpayer?

Posted by: Jack Burton at December 22, 2009 04:24 PM (YxJoH)

239 More importantly, its about inspiration.
Santa Anna's perceived cruelty during the battle inspired many Texians—both Texas settlers and adventurers from the United States—to join the Texian Army.

Although the Battle of the Alamo was the "fight to the last man" inspiration, the biggest anger came from the Texians loss at Goliad, when Santa Ana's men slaughtered Texians who had surrendered and been taken prisoner.

If you're going to die anyway, it's best to do as much damage to the enemy as you can before you go.

Posted by: kbdabear at December 22, 2009 04:25 PM (sYxEE)

240 Waterhouse, maybe because the American people expect you and your faggot Sodomy Enthusiast senators to fight like the country's existence depends on it instead of cutting deals to be home for Christmas. Fuck Good day to you. Now your post is compliant with AoSHQ code.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 22, 2009 04:25 PM (xGIqT)

241 So now your criticizing Waterhouse for doing exactly what you have been advocating. Heh.

Posted by: polynikes at December 22, 2009 08:16 PM (2TkLL)

No we are not. We criticize Waterhouse because he defends quitters. But he could just be on overtime and the stamina would not be laudable.

Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at December 22, 2009 04:25 PM (dQdrY)

242 If anyone from McConnell's staff reads this, I want you to know, a number of us think he's a clown. He's no leader, he's a joke. You think a debt limit bs vote is going to matter? IDIOTS.

Posted by: mare at December 22, 2009 04:26 PM (X1fsj)

243 We like the attitude of this Waterhouse person and wish to subscribe to his newsletter

Posted by: French Army 1940 at December 22, 2009 04:30 PM (sYxEE)

244 If you're going to die anyway, it's best to do as much damage to the enemy as you can before you go.

Posted by: kbdabear at December 22, 2009 08:25 PM (sYxEE)

Amen.

 

Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at December 22, 2009 04:30 PM (dQdrY)

245 IDIOTS.

Posted by: mare at December 22, 2009 08:26 PM (X1fsj)

The insulting part is they think we are the idiots, and will buy that bullshit.

Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at December 22, 2009 04:32 PM (dQdrY)

246 I like this line from a Megadeth song best.. Willing to die(and I will)after you,for what I believe

Posted by: steevy at December 22, 2009 04:51 PM (yl8Hg)

247 I was actually interested why so many think this is such a huge deal. Saturday was the big game. Saturday was the actual fight. Saturday was the Alamo, or Thermopylae, or the fourth quarter, or whatever. After that it was a done deal, a stupid formality, like the trophy banquet at the end of the season, and I was genuinely curious why there was such outrage over what's essentially a fait accompli. I thought maybe I was missing something, that people actually might have ideas how it could be delayed, that there was still something the GOP could do to stop the shit sandwich. Nope. All I'm getting is a bunch of emo wailing and fucktarded analogies.

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 22, 2009 08:16 PM (KY7vG)

Except that the Senate being in session on Christmas Eve is a truly exceptional and newsworthy event.  It's a unique opportunity to focus the news media and the electorate on the debate during the light of day -- you notice that Harry Reid has been hell-bent on making sure the debate to date has happened in the dead of night.

Or are you too much of a fucktard to understand what an opportunity McConnell is letting go to waste here?

Posted by: stuiec at December 22, 2009 04:52 PM (Ate22)

248 Or are you too much of a fucktard to understand what an opportunity McConnell is letting go to waste here?


I think we know the answer to that question.  He is one of our own.

Posted by: Fucktards Anonymous at December 22, 2009 04:58 PM (6Nv5B)

249 Mitch "The Bitch" McConnell?

Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at December 22, 2009 05:10 PM (iKoyq)

250 I've asked about the Drudge story but it's possible I have this before anyone else. Could happen. It might be that he meant the vote (with unanimous consent) to hold the debt limit vote on the 20th will take place that morning, before the health care vote.

Posted by: ace at December 22, 2009 05:25 PM (jlvw3)

251 Ace, check post #232

Posted by: mrp at December 22, 2009 05:32 PM (HjPtV)

252 Again, I have to agree with Waterhouse. It's an execution, not a fight. You're the condemned prisoner being marched to the gallows. You don't get to do any "damage". We lost this fight, and we need to start looking at what hill we can defend next.

Posted by: Bludeog at December 22, 2009 05:47 PM (8I9An)

253 thanks mrp.

Posted by: ace at December 22, 2009 06:07 PM (jlvw3)

254 All of this goes back to the Bush clan. They destroyed the Republican brand. Mostly, it was Dubya, that asshole. Fox called him "a windshield cowboy" because he noticed he was afraid of horses.

Posted by: Banjo at December 22, 2009 06:29 PM (1DQ52)

255 If nine skip town and another one is unfortunately delayed by a car crash, has a sudden heart attack, or a spouse suddenly stricken ill, or any one of a host of potential stumbling blocks then Reid has problems. 

Its said there's lots of different ways to score when you're on 3rd base rather than 1st base.  Wild pitch, past ball, base hit, stealing home, balk, an error, etc. 

When the effective margin has been reduced to one vote, I'd keep playing and see if one of those scoring opportunities presented itself.  Long shot, sure.  But...

Q: What team ever conceded a 1-run game with a man on third in the bottom of the ninth because they wanted to "go home"?

A: None.  It never happens.  Ever.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 22, 2009 06:41 PM (IZ8Jc)

256

Just heard on Greta that the debt limit vote is Christmas Eve too, not Jan. 20. So what deal did Mitch make now?  Stay and fight and bring to light all the sleaze since until now its been hidden. Shame them all on Christmas Eve for voting on their back-room deal. Remind America that 0b+ama promised change and full debate on CSPAN and no more special deals and backroom corruption. Hold them Dems all day to explain all the vote buying sleaze.

Cowardly Repubs.

Posted by: Schwalbe at December 22, 2009 06:58 PM (jkdaV)

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