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December 11, 2009

Draft Order: Gitmo Terrorists Coming to Illinois
— Ace

Just a draft? Well, maybe. But it jibes with previous reports.

There are obviously two problems here: The first, more important problem is that these people should not be held in American prisons, where they are then vested with additional rights, and may wind up petitioning for release. At Gitmo, they have less such rights (although damn do those courts keep finding they have more).

The second problem was more of a tactic, a way to block this without having to prevail on this first point: The NIMBY question, where we kept asking, rhetorically, "Well, do you want these terrorists living by you?" This was always a fairly minor objection, relatively speaking, compared to the first, but it was used because it generates a visceral reaction.

Well, since Obama's able to sell the politicians in his home state's political machine on accepting these guys (who are, in fact, dangerous, as are the brothers-in-arms who might be tempted to come by and say hello), that second objection is mooted, except for the citizens of Illinois, I guess, and what are they going to do about it?

But the first objection remains powerful. And we still have no good answer from Obama on this point, except that it somehow makes us safer to be nice to terrorists.

Posted by: Ace at 04:46 PM | Comments (60)
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1 3800 prison jobs and $250 million to upgrade the prison.In other words,presidential pork.

Posted by: steevy at December 11, 2009 04:47 PM (IWtLr)

2 I hate Illinois Islamonazis.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 11, 2009 04:47 PM (T0NGe)

3 Send them to Barry's old neighborhood of Hyde Park. They'll fit in well with other anti-American terrorists like Billy Ayers.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 11, 2009 04:48 PM (saB45)

4 Gladder than ever that I moved out of that pisshole of a state...

Posted by: Ace's #1 Fan at December 11, 2009 04:49 PM (SHKl9)

5 Not a draft, but a daft.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at December 11, 2009 04:49 PM (DIYmd)

6 I believe it. Durbin was talking prisoner transfers up like they were pepperment candy. Figures he was sweet-talking his constituency.

Posted by: Amused Observer at December 11, 2009 04:49 PM (Uy/AI)

They'll fit in well with other anti-American terrorists like Billy Ayers.

Good point, they can hold strategy meetings together.

Posted by: Amused Observer at December 11, 2009 04:50 PM (Uy/AI)

8 As a proud citizen of the People's Republic of Illinois, I welcome our new terrorist buddies. /bastards... (and that includes Jug-Ear's Administration, the allies of these terrorists.

Posted by: Vet Missing Parts at December 11, 2009 04:51 PM (MCHyX)

9 1 3800 prison jobs and $250 million to upgrade the prison.In other words,presidential pork.

Posted by: steevy at December 11, 2009 08:47 PM (IWtLr)

Sounds like a genie's wish to me.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 11, 2009 04:52 PM (T0NGe)

10 The first, more important problem is that these people should not be held in American prisons, where they are then vested with additional rights, and may wind up petitioning for release.

That is a feature, not a bug.

Posted by: Barrack Obama at December 11, 2009 04:54 PM (BKpSl)

11 Wouldn't that be " jives with previous reports"?

Posted by: Shooter McGavin at December 11, 2009 04:55 PM (cxGtL)

12 $250 million to upgrade the prison. Posted by: AmishDude My guess is that Billions get dumped, not millions.

Posted by: Terry at December 11, 2009 04:56 PM (ddL+W)

13 Oooh, won't the people of Illinois be just thrilled!

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 11, 2009 04:57 PM (QECjC)

14 And you wonder why I'm leaving?

Posted by: The Oprah at December 11, 2009 04:57 PM (LKkE8)

15 Your familiarity with the urban colloquialism of the ruling class is "fishy," Shooter. You've been reported.

Posted by: railwriter at December 11, 2009 04:59 PM (daRzV)

16 Well that figures, the Chicago Machine dumping some shit n' trash in their downstate fiefdoms...and doubtless figuring out a way to enrich themselves in the process, somehow. (Speaking as a native some of downstate Illinois). Reason #5,555 to kick the Chicagoland tumor out of the state...

Posted by: Chainsaw Chimp at December 11, 2009 04:59 PM (j6H6o)

17 Just another thing for Madam 45 to fix when she's elected.

Posted by: RushBabe at December 11, 2009 05:00 PM (LKkE8)

18 You've been reported.

Thank you. I reported myself once to the "fishy" White House email address, but it was soon discontinued and they never got back to me.

Posted by: Shooter McGavin at December 11, 2009 05:01 PM (cxGtL)

19 >13 Oooh, won't the people of Illinois be just thrilled! I know I am.

Posted by: Vet Missing Parts at December 11, 2009 05:03 PM (MCHyX)

20 It's a damn valuable thing we got here. Wait, you mean one of them might be my cellmate? And what is that "man-love Thursday" thing about, anyway?

Posted by: Rob Blagojevich at December 11, 2009 05:03 PM (BKpSl)

21 Yeah, I can't wait to hear what the folks in Illinois have to say about this...Chicago, they'll fit right in. The rest of the state? Not so much.

Posted by: Popcorn at December 11, 2009 05:08 PM (OOehk)

22 So which lucky low-bid well-connected contractor got the job?

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at December 11, 2009 05:12 PM (DIYmd)

23 Is there a reason we're not making them watch Tom Cruise Scientology rants around the clock? The Mohammedans: There is no god but Allah, and Mohammed is his prophet. The Homosexual Former Husband of Nicole Kidman: We are all gods, but we suffer from amnesia, and were marooned on Xenu by an evil overlord to endure our thetans, which can only be removed by Clearing, which involves spending sacksful of money and holding onto two soup cans and talking about our phobias to a person called an auditor, who...

Posted by: railwriter at December 11, 2009 05:16 PM (daRzV)

Why not hold them here?

Can't we let them rot in a SuperMax?

Posted by: Alex's Cabin at December 11, 2009 05:25 PM (/5oDV)

25 Sorry, you Illinois morons, but if any state deserves these pieces of human waste, it's you guys. (Not you morons, but your Obama-lovin' neighbors.)

Thanks a lot for the dirt-bag in chief we have in the WH. Not to mention his Marxist cronies.

Have fun!

Posted by: Jane D'oh! at December 11, 2009 05:26 PM (UOM48)

26 I'm sure all the Obamabots in Illinois will love their 'guests'. Perhaps Bill Ayers and friends can throw a couple of charitable events and earn money to improve the living conditions for the poor abused prisoners.

Posted by: GarandFan at December 11, 2009 05:30 PM (ZQBnQ)

27 25 Not in some remote prison most of them will never see, but right on Navy Pier.

Posted by: mcassill at December 11, 2009 05:36 PM (BKpSl)

28 NIMBY does not apply here. When it comes to this issue, the whole country is my backyard.

Posted by: Founding Fathers at December 11, 2009 05:40 PM (erIg9)

29 off sock!

Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner At Large at December 11, 2009 05:41 PM (erIg9)

I don't understand how people are made any less safe by having Gitmo terrorists locked up in new prisons in Illinois.

I also don't get how New York City is endangered by holding civilian trials.

I think it's fucking stupid but I don't think New York will crumble because of it.

Posted by: Alex's Cabin at December 11, 2009 05:44 PM (/5oDV)

31 OT but I was reading the latest issue of Time while I was at work today and there was an article on Obama's decision on Afghanistan in there. Well they quoted Obama as saying something alone the lines of "if we don't set a firm withdrawal date then logically we will be there forever and they become a protectorate of ours." Obviously not an exact quote but it's close enough and a true WTF moment.

Posted by: hueydiamondpooty at December 11, 2009 05:47 PM (20L95)

32 also don't get how New York City is endangered by holding civilian trials.

I think what folks are worrying about, to the extent that anyone is actually worrying, is that KSM's buddies might decide to make a "statement" about how they feel about American justice and because the trial is in NYC, the "statement" will also be there.

Posted by: Popcorn at December 11, 2009 05:50 PM (OOehk)

33 20 It's a damn valuable thing we got here. Wait, you mean one of them might be my cellmate? And what is that "man-love Thursday" thing about, anyway?

Posted by: Rob Blagojevich at December 11, 2009 09:03 PM (BKpSl)

and there's that casual sex Friday thing, too.

Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at December 11, 2009 05:53 PM (Vu6sl)

34 Welcome to the Land of Reality, Alex's Cabin. Prepare to have your widdle biddy mind opened up. Just a tad.

Posted by: Jane D'oh! at December 11, 2009 06:16 PM (UOM48)

Welcome to the Land of Reality, Alex's Cabin. Prepare to have your widdle biddy mind opened up. Just a tad.

I'm open! Talk to me! I'm asking because I don't know.

Posted by: Alex's Cabin at December 11, 2009 06:21 PM (/5oDV)

36 Wait until Amnesty International gets wind of this. They aren't going to be happy about moving the terrorists from a nice tropical island to friggen Illinois.

Posted by: robtr at December 11, 2009 06:25 PM (fwSHf)

I think what folks are worrying about, to the extent that anyone is actually worrying, is that KSM's buddies might decide to make a "statement" about how they feel about American justice and because the trial is in NYC, the "statement" will also be there.

Khalid Sheik Mohammed is teasing his beard out and carefully placing his taqiya on his head in preperation of a long criminal trial.

Posted by: Alex's Cabin at December 11, 2009 06:36 PM (/5oDV)

38 Alex's Cabin. I would love to have a great, civil conversation with you. But not tonight. I've been to a function with a bunch of family members of our troops serving in Afghanistan and Iraq. And our only "child", our son, is in Marine boot camp.

Plus, Mr. D'oh and I are tired and I for one, have had too much wine.

But seriously, I'd love to have a civil debate/conversation with you. Sorry if I came across as rude and aggressive.

Peace to you.

Posted by: Jane D'oh! at December 11, 2009 06:40 PM (UOM48)

Jane, God Bless!

Posted by: Alex's Cabin at December 11, 2009 06:42 PM (/5oDV)

40 I always forget that the reason y'all want Gitmo open is because you're a bunch of pussies. How many successful escapes from Supermax? Zero, pussies.

But then, all of you are paragons of freedom & Constitution but wouldn't know the diff between the latter and ingredients listed on a Campbell's soup can, wouldn't know that the gitmo dudes are not convicted criminals--most haven't been arraigned. But you sure are scared!

And you believe everything the military tells you. Tools you are.

Posted by: Diliwar at December 11, 2009 06:56 PM (d2KUW)

41 From Gitmo to a federal prison to a terrorist training camp in the U.S. for the planned purpose of training the new order of violent democrat jackboots to backup ACORN and the SEIU thugs. Has the POTUS attended a christian church since the election or is he attending the terrorist training/recruiting center/mosque in D.C.?

Posted by: Scrapiron at December 11, 2009 07:42 PM (GkYyh)

42 Heheh. Nope, not criminals, convicted or otherwise. Unlawful combatants. Should have hung them already.

Posted by: Popcorn at December 11, 2009 07:43 PM (OOehk)

43 The first, more important problem is that these people should not be held in American prisons, where they are then vested with additional rights, and may wind up petitioning for release.

That's the whole purpose.

Posted by: baldilocks at December 11, 2009 08:02 PM (Hv3ig)

44 Escaping from Supermax isn't the problem. The nearby towns can be targeted for general terrorism, the warden, the guards, the custodians can all be killed or have their families killed.

There's also the access that the prisoners can have to lines of communication with their comrades.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 11, 2009 10:34 PM (T0NGe)

45 Again one must ask the question, what would he be doing differently if he set out to systematically destroy the U.S.

On this issue I do blame Bush. These people should have been tried, executed as appropriate, or turned lose in their home countries as appropriate long ago BEFORE the courts got involved.

Bush allowed these people to sit down there like a festering turd until the liberals got Kennedy out of the left side of the bed.

Posted by: Vic at December 12, 2009 12:30 AM (CDUiN)

46 Ask the guard whose eye was gouged out how sweet those darling little terrorists behave.

Jury for KSM....do you want you and your family to stand up to these nutbags?

Think of all of their really cool visitors from all over the world....holiday inn will have special rates for jihad planners....

Land of Lincoln....no more.....Britain is now the trembling host and slave to islam....we are next.

Posted by: non_dhimmie at December 12, 2009 04:26 AM (zACGu)

47 Alex's Cabin;

Here's what we got during the first WTC bomber trial:

escape attempts
wounded and maimed guards
defense lawyers passing information to terrorists
the plotting of further attacks from behind bars
security breaches that helped bin Laden
another WTC bombing

Holder says everyone will like us for this, but it turns out that al Qaeda was not impressed by the majesty of American justice nor grateful for it. But it will be different this time because Obama's doing it, right?

Another issue was that Justice withheld vital information about terrorists from elected officials for years, so as not to endanger their conviction, and we're already rebuilding the Gorelick Wall where the FBI can't talk to CIA. How did that work out in Ft. Hood? Not to mention half the Justice Dept. had to recuse themselves because they were representing Gitmo detainees a year ago.

You also get a hold-out juror who will not give the death penalty. You get a world propaganda stage for KSM and his lawyers. You get a big fat target painted on New York for the duration. You get a hugely expensive security condition for years. You get a divisive GetBush!-show trial of America. And mostly you get unaccountable judges putting themselves in charge of a war and extending every courtesy, right and benefit of the doubt to cold-blooded genocidal maniacs. Do not be surprised when somewhere down the line these judges try to release terrorists into America.

But other than that, it's a great idea.

Posted by: Noel at December 12, 2009 04:33 AM (Hh13R)

48 btw, the harm has already begun: Holder says we wouldn't interrogate a bin Laden. He has Miranda Rights. No longer is the goal to prevent another attack. Just sweep up the bodies afterward--but get that conviction! That'll teach 'em!

Posted by: Noel at December 12, 2009 04:39 AM (Hh13R)

49 I really need to get out of this state...

Posted by: unknown jane, at December 12, 2009 05:26 AM (5/yRG)

50 I'm sure the residents living in the vicinity aren't going to be too happy when they find they can't sell their homes and get the fuck out of there. also, I fear the temptation to spring their guys may prove to be too much for dauntless terrorists. diliwar: foad x foad. Spend the rest of your miserable life refunding your college tuition to your hapless parents, you hateful fuck.

Posted by: the larch at December 12, 2009 06:25 AM (IEN8f)

51 Here's a link to the IDOC website describing the facilities.

I really like the bottom category "Other" where is lists "Community Work Crews"

Maybe we could Barry & Eric to organize that community.

Chris

Posted by: chris at December 12, 2009 07:26 AM (5XIm7)

Being nice to terrorists is the new American way. How much do we tip the bombers?

Posted by: RM at December 12, 2009 09:28 AM (1kwr2)

53 Come on, Noel. Don't you have more than that? Those don't seem like real problems or concerns. Not to a Lightworker.

Posted by: RM at December 12, 2009 09:31 AM (1kwr2)

54 There are already terrorists in American jails and there are no problems with that. None of them have escaped. What, do you folks think it's a country club or something?

Posted by: JEA at December 12, 2009 10:57 AM (V59rQ)

55 JEA,

Here's what we got during the first WTC bomber trial:

escape attempts
wounded and maimed guards
defense lawyers passing information to terrorists
the plotting of further attacks from behind bars
security breaches that helped bin Laden
another WTC bombing

Holder says everyone will like us for this, but it turns out that al Qaeda was not impressed by the majesty of American justice nor grateful for it. But it will be different this time because Obama's doing it, right?

Another issue was that Justice withheld vital information about terrorists from elected officials for years, so as not to endanger their conviction, and we're already rebuilding the Gorelick Wall where the FBI can't talk to CIA. How did that work out in Ft. Hood? Not to mention half the Justice Dept. had to recuse themselves because they were representing Gitmo detainees a year ago.

You also get a hold-out juror who will not give the death penalty. You get a world propaganda stage for KSM and his lawyers. You get a big fat target painted on New York for the duration. You get a hugely expensive security condition for years. You get a divisive GetBush!-show trial of America. And mostly you get unaccountable judges putting themselves in charge of a war and extending every courtesy, right and benefit of the doubt to cold-blooded genocidal maniacs. Do not be surprised when somewhere down the line these judges try to release terrorists into America.

But other than that, it's a great idea.

Posted by: Noel at December 12, 2009 02:52 PM (Hh13R)

56 too many people are just chicken shit scared by these people

Posted by: John ryan at December 12, 2009 03:35 PM (m0Q2u)

57 Too many chicken shits say "too many people are just chicken shit scared by these people".

Posted by: Noel at December 12, 2009 04:29 PM (Hh13R)

So, in addition to all the luxuries the terrorists are already getting, they will now be in US prisons, where they can't be interrogated, will have ample time to plot more terrorist attacks and pass on information to other terrorists via thier lawyers and visitors; they will also be able to convert other prison inmates into Islamic terrorists, AND they get to put out terrorist propaganda every time the court is in serssion.

A great deal for them. As for escaping, they won't need to. All they have to do is make sure there are some Muslims on the jury, and they will walk. Even if they are convicted, they will rule the prison and be able to plot terror attacks from the comfort of their cells. Prison doesn't stop mafia dons from giving orders, what makes anyone think it will stop terrorists?

Posted by: BattleofthePyramids at December 12, 2009 04:47 PM (zyRHf)

59 Terrorists are just scaring many people. So I hope please stop it now.

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