1 Ooh!  Just in time to make a Hill Street Blues joke.

2 Or was she LA LAW?

3 No way that even the Bambi Mafia would be this stupid.  Would they?  They could not think they could keep it secret, and it would ruin The Messiah.  Wouldn't it?

4 Can we charge Obama with treason when this appeasement occurs or do we have to wait until after the next Al Qaeda slaughter of Americans?

This surrender would undoubtedly work out just as well as the dozen or so that the Pakistanis have signed with the same folks.

I suppose you don't remember Obama telling his cultists that "This time it will be different."?  They believe, in their awesomeness, that all the things that have failed for every other leftist in the history of the world are going to magically fall into place this time.

5 Just a question that pops into my meager little brain, what do we think the Taliban will do if we surrender the 5 provinces to them?

Who is this "we" you speak about? The Precedent and his adminstration and the Washington junta are a "they", and they are on the other side.

You have to keep in mind what this administration wants, and that is the death of American power. Even if they are unsuccessful, they have done enough damage to our allies that the US will not be trustworthy again (look at how an insane American public put this band of lunatics in charge, with the Indonesian imbecile at the head).

The damage has been done. Now, we have just the consequences to look forward to.

6 Wonderful.  We insist that Pakistan deny the Taliban safe havens in their territory from which to attack Afghanistan, but (according to this report) we're going to give the Taliban five provinces' worth of safe havens in Afghan territory from which to attack Pakistan.  The Taliban is finally fighting a two-front war, and now we're going to abandon one of those fronts?

7 More than likely, this is going to happen.

8 Biden likes his partition plans.

9 Wouldn't doubt that Barry would pull a stunt like this.  The "Neville Chamberlain" of our time.

This has got to give a lot of comfort to our 'frinends'.  Especially when Barry says "Don't worry, I've got your back!".

10

This would be a mistake so blatant and obvious that I cannot conceive of it.

You need to drink some sterno™ and pop monkey tranquilizers – it’ll start making sense and your brain will hurt less.

11 we're going to give the Taliban five provinces' worth of safe havens in Afghan territory from which to attack Pakistan

And whatever troops of ours remain in Afghanistan.  The only question is whether they feel a need to be clever and run those attacks by 'new, independent, unaffiliated militias' or will they be so convinced of US cowardice not to bother?

12 What surprises me is that I'm not surprised.

13 This would be a mistake so blatant and obvious that I cannot conceive of it.

Conceive of it. This is just one more in a long list of blatant, obvious "mistakes" that this America-hating adminstration and Washington junta has made. A long, long list - and most were not mistakes, but intended to be blatantly and obviously injurious to our nation and our interests.

14 And whatever troops of ours remain in Afghanistan.  The only question is whether they feel a need to be clever and run those attacks by 'new, independent, unaffiliated militias' or will they be so convinced of US cowardice not to bother?

Posted by: Methos at November 23, 2009 02:24 PM (CoDwG)

If they're smart, they'll wait on the Afghan front until they achieve victory in Pakistan.

15 Eh.  Yawn.

16

Why wouldn't the Obamanards do this, and why wouldn't they get away with it?

Just go back to other various threads on this one site that deal with the Afstan AO.

"We can't win!!! snivel snivel whine whine" is all over the comments.

Not all weaksuck, braindead, intellectually inbred sacks of defeatist shit self identify as "Leftist".

There's much and plenty of our society that has allowed itself to be talked into not only dropping trou and bending over, but in greasing up, loosing up and back up onto the Talib cock to pump it out for them.

The herd is infected with Rotted Spine disease. Needs culling.

17 The bill will come due. The bill will come due.

18

This would be a mistake so blatant and obvious that I cannot conceive of it.

Of course you can conceive of it, look who is President. How to predict? Just think of the most stupid, spineless way to go about something, and there you go, 80% probability. It worked with the NVA, right? Gonna work equally well with the Taliban.

19 Cessation of rocket attacks, thats all? Now would we trade Kanadahar for OBL and other assorted AQs - that could be on the table. If this wasn't BS, then the leak probably killed it.

20 An alot of good people will have died for nothing. G-D save us all.

21 Don't worry, Obama's surrender will be announced at 11:23PM, EST on a Friday night.

You'll hardly even notice it.

Well, that is until you hear screams of "alluh ackbar" in a crowded public space.

22

I understand what Obama is doing.  He needs those troops to fight the real war against Fox News.

Except that he already delivered the instruments of surrender to Major Garrett while in Beijing.  He probably thought that Major Garrett is the ranking officer in the Fox News Army.

23 If Obama were not president, I'd instantly dismiss it as typical Arab conspiracy theory bullshit. 

24

Obama is an utter failure, but hey, he does throw great parties at the White House....

 

Obama sucks cock

25 Deja vu all over again the liberals cut and run just like my war that they didn't let us win, pox on all of them!

26 If John Kerry were president, I'd instantly dismiss it as typical Arab conspiracy theory bullshit.

If Al Gore were president, I'd instantly dismiss it as typical Arab conspiracy theory bullshit. 

If Hillary were president, I'd instantly dismiss it as typical Arab conspiracy theory bullshit. 

Even if Jimmy fucking Carter were president, I'd instantly dismiss it as typical Arab conspiracy theory bullshit. 

This guy?  Not so much...

27

Remember when Nazi Germany got the Sudetenland? That peace in our time worked out just great. Just like this will.

28

if this pans out, color me Not Surprised (it's included in the 64 count Crayola box)

I've always believed that Obama, like most Dems, has no real stomach for foreign affairs- it's messy and icky and doesn't poll well- he likes the part where he rides AF1 and gets to eat arugula on all his sandwiches from the WH Mess and Oprah calls him up to chat- that foreign shit is an unfair and probably racist distraction from how awesome he is

29 If this is true then it will be business as usual for the murdering muslim bastards, to kill Americans wherever they are, hell they are even selling barbie dolls now wearing burkas for gosh sakes, arm yourselves MORE!

30 I might add I can pile them up for days in my front yard if I have too, this AO is defended by a nut!

31

Shouldn't too surprized, after all Barry is a muslim

 

Obama sucks cock

32 32,

Ok is he a fag or a muslim fag, be clear!

33 Federal authorities are expected to announce charges against eight more people today in a long-running investigation into how perhaps dozens of young men from the Minneapolis area were recruited to join an Al Qaeda-linked group in Somalia. But wer're gittin ready to give Afganistan back to the Terrorists?

34 Muslim US hating cocksucking fag...I feel better now

35 35,

Bless you and Happy Thanksgiving!

36 >Deja vu all over again the liberals cut and run just like my war that they didn't let us win, pox on all of them!

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at November 23, 2009 02:37 PM (65lJF)

 

and  'Nam Grunt , remember that the 1974-75 Congress- a Dem majority- pulled the rug out from under our friends in SE Asia by simply defunding the entire war effort- I bet Obama and his criminal gang would like to get their grubby dickstrokers on all the money currently appropriated for A-stan and Iraq

37 would like to get their grubby dickstrokers on all the money currently appropriated for A-stan and Iraq

"peace dividend" v2.0

38 37,

Glad to see that these Brave pissed off returning Vets are going to take the heat off us 'Nam Vets as the NEW addled brained criminals, point on our side is that we are young enough to join them when the shit hits the fan in this Country!!!!!

39 These assholes never learn, do they actually think that returning Vets will just fade off into the sunset because they were wronged, I don't think so, especially now!

40

Deja vu all over again the liberals cut and run just like my war that they didn't let us win, pox on all of them!     Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at November 23, 2009 02:37 PM (65lJF)

No shit my Brother! These fuckers need to be removed before they kill The United States of America!

41 I can neither confirm nor deny this story.

42 I talk to these Brave Men all the time and they are pissed about the leadership that we now have compared to W.

43 I still think the military should go ahead and win this thing on their terms and then dare this man child to do something about it.

44 With due respect, MEMRI is NOT a reliable source. . not even CLOSE.

Its like the "weekly world news" of pro-Israeli propaganda.  Fun to read, but you know its mostly BS.

Once in a while it hits something realistic, but most of the time. . .NAH.

45 46,

If we were living in a perfect world, my LRRP TEAM disobeyed plenty of orders but they still pulled us out!

46 This would explain Obama's dithering...why send in troops if you're negotiating a surrender?

47 Well, that is until you hear screams of "alluh ackbar" in a crowded public space.

And out will come my Taurus PT145.

48 Its like the "weekly world news" of pro-Israeli propaganda. Fun to read, but you know its mostly BS.

Once in a while it hits something realistic, but most of the time. . .NAH.

Posted by: looking closely at November 23, 2009 03:06 PM (6Q9g2)

Translating arab/persian/muslim pieces is pro-Israel? That says it all, doesn't it ...

I think you confuse the writer, the message, and the messenger.

49

Yep,

It's a darn good thing that we decided to fight a grinding war of attrition with these guys.  A.  Darned.  Good.  Thing. 

Still think we should keep fighting the "winning hearts and minds" way?  How well has this worked for us in this war exactly?  Indeed, in any war? 

So, if it doesn't work, then why do we persist in fighting the type of war that guarantees a loss every...single...time?

Still smoking that awesomeness Drew, Purple Avenger, flenser? 

Sorry, I'll stick with Sherman's concept of total war, thanks (and yes, that means we might actually have to kill some of these people to do it). 

50 Has Barry finally found all of those moderate members of the Talley-bahn that he can turn these provinces over to?

51 Posted by: TheQuietman at November 23, 2009 03:26 PM (1Jaio)
Barry is a moderate member of the taliban.

52

progress,

You hit on an excellent point.  We have been fighting these assholes for eight years now and generally speaking, still do not understand them. 

53 >You hit on an excellent point.  We have been fighting these assholes for eight years now and generally speaking, still do not understand them. 

 

i don' want to understand the enemy, I want to kill them

that will be my policy as your CinC: 'dead guys, and lots of 'em"

54 Haven't read your article or the comments, thus I am acting in "professional mainstream media reviewer" capacity when I say:

I liked Jill Eikenberry on LA Law back in the 80s, but if she's thinking of surrendering in Afghanistan I'm going to have to say for her, age has not brought wisdom. Dumb Hollywood weenie.

55

Jones,

In order to kill them more efficiently, it's generally a good idea to understand them first.  I didn't make my point to mean that we should get touchy-feely on them.

 

56 That's right: lose control AND have them continue to attack. It's so obvious.

57

"We must reconcile with our brothers, because fighting isn't working."

it's done

 

58 In order to kill them more efficiently, it's generally a good idea to understand them first. I didn't make my point to mean that we should get touchy-feely on them.

Posted by: Mat at November 23, 2009 03:40 PM (d8AS2)

Exactly. And to understand them is to understand why they must be killed, but more importantly, how they must be killed. We currently fight tribal cultures as if their are individualistic and that will never work. They don't understand us and think that we are weak and will eventually just go away (which is, sadly, true). If we truly wanted to minimize the killing necessary (and, frankly, I don't care too much about that, since those who start these wars need to suffer enough to not thinking about starting them with us again), then we would realize that collective punishment on the tribal level is what is called for when dealing with tribal societies.

Of course, that old standby of "Best friend, worst enemy" would take care of these problems, but we don't seem to have the will for that anymore. Somewhere along the line we caught some disease that made us think that being a best friend to the enemy, and being an unreliable ally to our friends, will be lead to a magic world of hugs and kisses.

Lastly, I would just say that the whole threat from the arab/persian/muslim world starts and stops at the control of the gulf oil fields. We are too politically correct to handle this problem at that simple source, but that is the key to everything. Without control of those fields, the arab/perian/muslim world is almost totally defanged.

59 Yeah! Peace in our time!

60 56

progress,

You hit on an excellent point.  We have been fighting these assholes for eight years now and generally speaking, still do not understand them. 

Posted by: Mat at November 23, 2009 03:30 PM (d8AS2)

 

Yeah, right. That's true because...? Well, because the msm tells you so, over and over and over until you just stop thinking and vomit up whatever you're told by that msm.

61 53

Yep,

It's a darn good thing that we decided to fight a grinding war of attrition with these guys.  A.  Darned.  Good.  Thing. 

Still think we should keep fighting the "winning hearts and minds" way?  How well has this worked for us in this war exactly?  Indeed, in any war? 

So, if it doesn't work, then why do we persist in fighting the type of war that guarantees a loss every...single...time?

Still smoking that awesomeness Drew, Purple Avenger, flenser? 

Sorry, I'll stick with Sherman's concept of total war, thanks (and yes, that means we might actually have to kill some of these people to do it). 

Posted by: Mat at November 23, 2009 03:26 PM (d8AS2)

 

I agree with you on that. The whole "hearts and minds" concept that now dominates all discussion on the AO stems directly from bullshit propaganda on how the Americans did everything backassward in Vietnam. It's also an outgrowth of the amazingly corrupt, incompetent and enemy supporting bullshit of the UN Peacekeeping daze of the '90s.

The primary usefulness of all these great cash giveaways and all the "lets build em pretty things" is  masturbatory on our part. Makes us feel better about ourselves. To most of the indigs, it's said "Yeah, well, the Russians built stuff for us too, look where that got em."

There are some who will be appreciative, but they're already on side. Those off side don't give a shit, wont give a shit and are not impressed.

What does impress such as them is fear. Fear is respect in that and nearly all other tribal cultures. That's a known known.

62 The primary usefulness of all these great cash giveaways and all the "lets build em pretty things" is masturbatory on our part. Makes us feel better about ourselves.

Posted by: Grimmy at November 23, 2009 04:09 PM (qGfjs)

Yep. It's also a terrible misunderstanding of Reconstruction and the Marshall Plan. Rebuilding the enemy is only of use after we have totally decimated them and gotten an unconditional surrender, and then, it was still a CHOICE on our part. Our current concept of being EXPECTED to rebuild what we destroy in war is about the dumbest policy I have ever heard of in my life. There are wars and enemies that do not deserve anything but a beating and should be forced to live in the squalor of their own making afterwards.

There are times when salting the fields is appropriate and necessary. It all depends on the enemy and what drives them.

63 "This would be a mistake so blatant and obvious that I cannot conceive of it."

Uncle Jimbo, you really need to stretch out that imagination.  Start with the Pol Pot regime.  Then think for a while about Treblinka, Poland.  When you realize that these horrible atrocities are possible, nothing this Communist in our White House does is surprising. 

If Obama comes up with the same solution to America's "Conservative Problem" that Adolph did regarding Germany's "Jewish Problem", and starts the trains rolling TOMORROW, I'd be nonplussed, completely un-surprised.

Cannot conceive of it?  There is nothing Obama and the dems can do that would fit that phrase for me.  Unless it was something good, righteous, or actually beneficial to America.  Then I might have to be shocked.

64 Jimbo, have you sat and looked at the pictures of mountains of Cambodian skulls that are the legacy and responsibility of Senator Chris Dodd and other Fellow Travellers?

Curb your shock.

65

Taqi,

I'm not terribly surprised by this either.  When this jackass (literally and figuratively) was elected, I thought that we'd be out of Afghanistan within 5 years.  Events continue to support my initial supposition. 

Look, the fact is that the Messiah basically said in no uncertain terms that he wanted to be out of Afghanistan before his term ended.  That would mean the end of 2011, maybe mid-2012 tops.  What this story says to me is that we're working on slowly withdrawing from the country in stages.  We give up some territory now, give up a little more later, and then at the very end, we'll send helicopters to the roof of the embassy in Kabul to withdraw our last staff there.  Oh yeah, where else did this happen again?...hhhmmm...the strategy in that war worked just as well, didn't it?

 

66

Here's a bag of money-take your football and go home.

"Peace in our time"

How many times does history have to repeat itself?

The Indonesian Idjut will hover over us and save us all!

67 This pisses me off. Half of the Canadian casualties are from my regiment-the Princess Pats. Yes they close for contact and seem to be over used. Have you guys figured out the friendly fire bullshit,yet. Is this all for nothing?

68

If you were listening during my campaign, I said that I would surrender and give Afganistan back to its rightful owners, Al Queda.

So stop bitching. I'm just keeping my promise to my buddy, Osama. Osama and Obama, brothers in arms to overthrow whitey's tyrannical regimes here and abroad.  He he he,

I can't wait for the USA to become a thrird world nation. That will teach whitey a lesson. I will rule the world, and subjugate all whiteys, except for the old ones. I will kill all of them.. Ah, revenge is so sweet. (maniacal laughter) CommiCzar Obama. I like the sound of that. It has a certain je ne sais quoi, don't you think? (maniacal laughter again) Whitey is so dumb and complacent. Watch the next scam I run on them. he he he he he

69

Chico,

Canada's slated to withdraw its troops in 2011 regardless of what happens, so my guess is that those guys did, in fact, die in vain.

 

70 This autonomy worked so well for the Pakistanis. What happens when they decide to expand their base of operations like they did there? Why do these people recycle everything that has ever failed thinking it will work because they are doing it now? 

71

Bill,

In a nutshell, the decision makers are truly gutless and don't want to make hard and big meany decisions. 

72 burberry scarf | CD Keys

73

Some of those provinces are great places to grow and prosper. Others are great places to smuggle from and prosper. Maybe the Taliban just want nice places to grow crops and to be left alone. Uh-huh.

74 Currently working in N2KL AO, Nuristan and Kunar included. The inclusion of Kunar in this is a red flag. It can get kinetic there, and some valleys are red and will stay that way. But overall we (CF and GIRoA) enjoy much public support and it is an important province, not desert like the south. I am throwing out the BS flag on this report (the original source article I mean). Doesn't fit.

75

To whom it may concern:

 

There is no truth to reports that the U.S. Embassy is engaging in secret talks with elements of the Taliban. Our position on the inclusion of Taliban and other fighters into Afghan society remains unchanged: we support the efforts of the Government of the Islamic Republic of Afghan to reintegrate fighters and other disaffected individuals into society, under the Afghan constitution.  This process must be Afghan-led.

 

Caitlin Hayden

U.S. Embassy Spokeswoman

76

What a surprise. The man that was hellbent on pulling out of Iraq no matter what the situation was wants to pull out of Afghanistan. Eesh, again say what you will about McCain, but we all know he would never pull or tolerate this kind of crap. Obama, however, is a gutless coward that never should've been elected to any office in this country.

I saw this kinda thing coming. I wish I had been wrong. Hopefully, this story won't pan out, but it's Obama. Stupid decisions are a given.