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Indeed. Even if we buy that man made CO2 is significant relative to sunspots, solar cycles, periodic ocean current shifts and volcanic eruptions, since when was it a disaster if the timberline moved farther north and the deserts bloomed as less water and more CO2 is available for photosynthesis, and more water vapor was in the atmosphere? These are bad things?

2 I'm still four-square for global warming.

3 The Chinese government is odious, but they have a point. From where they sit, they see the First World achieving prosperity and security, and then announcing that the rules have changed, and the path the First World took to that position is closed. The Chinese can see no good reason to not follow the industrialization model to improve the lot of their peoples lives, certainly not because a bunch of nations that the Chinese have bought  and paid for decide the game has changed.

It's very similar to what Japan faced in the first half of the 20th century, where they began to expand via imperialism, only to be told by the European (and American) colonial powers that they weren't allowed to, that ship had sailed.

4 Brad,

No to mention that the Chinese can do the math. They know capping carbon is an economy killer. What happens to all the money they invested here if we commit economic suicide?

For purely selfish reasons (and I fine with that) they are more concerned about our economic well being than proponents of this crap.

5 deserts bloom now?


More CO2 means more plants. Gaia worshipers should be burning crap 24/7.

6 I'm going to film a commercial where impoverished children rain from the sky and splatter on the pavement and cars.

On second thought., nah.  Wouldn't work.  The left would cheer on the depopulation.

7 I need to get my "I 'HEART' CO2" sweatshirts to market before their irony, and leftist madness-inducing power fizzles...

8 I firmly believe in carbon sequestration.  In the form of reforestation.  You can achieve a lot of benefit in growing timber, binding all that carbon into cellulose while simultaneously producing oxygen, and then sequester that cellulose into uses that keep the carbon tied up for decades (like housing).

9 One of erg's turdlets in the the CRU thread (http //minx.cc/?post=294971) is worth repeating:
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And the only reason you use this email is to defend unrestrained exploitation of resources benefiting accumulation among very few humans.

That's your religion.

Posted by: Mikhail Ivanovich Budyko at November 21, 2009 03:42 PM ( RdKK8 )
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On the thread in question, erg was spinning like mad, and then suddenly whips out with this revealing comment. He lets slip that global warming is not about science, but rather is a scheme for the redistribution of wealth. Of course, we all knew this, but it's nice when one of the AGW acolytes actually admits it.

10 By the way, what about all that carbon sequestered over the eons in the form of calcium carbonate?  It was CO2 once, before biological processes turned it into shells of aquatic animals.  How much more carbon was loose in the biosphere back in that long-ago day?

11 Western civilization is built on progress. Capping production (CO2 emmissions) is anti-progress, in the extreme. Western civilization is taking the most important foundation of our civilization away (that which propelled us out in front of all others), which will cause the collapse of the West. The whole world will suffer immeasurably when this happens.

Suicide is ugly in the extreme.

12 For purely selfish reasons (and I fine with that) they are more concerned about our economic well being than proponents of this crap.

True. But they also (with some reason) see it in terms of racism, in that only white societies get to prosper.

13 One thing is for sure. One day some very bright, most likely very white, guy is going to build a machine to scrub CO2 from the atmosphere cheaply and quickly and we are all going to be freezing our asses off.

14

Watermelons!

That's my new slur for Ecoidiots....green on the outside and red in the middle!

15 10 / Stuiec: ... see "Carboniferous Period, Lower" Life on earth was booming.

16 13 One thing is for sure. One day some very bright, most likely very white, guy is going to build a machine to scrub CO2 from the atmosphere cheaply and quickly and we are all going to be freezing our asses off.

Posted by: Rocks at November 23, 2009 02:28 PM (Q1lie)

We call that machine "chlorophyll."

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>Even If We Could Reduce Carbon Emissions, Why Would We Want To?

To feel better about ourselves, of course

 

 

_{COME on, man...}

 

18 15 10 / Stuiec: ... see "Carboniferous Period, Lower" Life on earth was booming.

Posted by: Huckleberry at November 23, 2009 02:35 PM (s2bW4)

Yeah, but nobody wants to see those three-foot-long cockroaches make a comeback.

19 It's just utterly fucking amazing that CO2, something that is essential for plant life on Earth, is considered a pollutant by these idiots.

20 We totally support greenie leftist fucking over the poor. Gave us a new lease on life by ending all that nasty DDT spraying.

21 I can't believe no one noticed that Lord Lawson was the father of Nigella Lawson.
A photo would of been nice.

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18 Stuiec:  ... nobody wants to see those three-foot-long cockroaches make a comeback

Too late, Washington DC is already full of 5'-6' footers.

23 Reading through the Copenhagen draft treaty is simultaneously tedious and maddening. Monckton pointed out one of the more troubling parts, Art. I para's 36 - 38.

36. The new agreed post-2012 institutional arrangement and legal framework to be established for the implementation, monitoring, reporting and verification of the global cooperative action for mitigation, adaptation, technology and financing, should be set under the Convention. It should include a financial mechanism and a facilitative mechanism drawn up to facilitate the design, adoption and carrying out of public policies, as the prevailing instrument, to which the market rules and related dynamics should be subordinate, in order to assure the full, effective and sustained implementation of the Convention.

24 Drew-- @#4 "The Chinese can do the math" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA1!! That's funny, because it's true.

25

I'm going with the theory that the environmentalists are crying about man-made global warming due to carbon emissions because of the very nature of carbon emissions. Carbon emissions are associated with 1) industrialization, 2) urban sprawl 3) different types of pollution, and any number of other environmental hazards. They reason that if they can get a reduction in carbon emissions then its many effects will be reduced too. Its simply a win, win, win in their books.

If global warming is occuring and it is proved not to be due to carbon emissions. I suspect that you wouldn't hear a peep from environmentalists about all the bad consequences but instead all the benefits of a higher temperature.

 

26 Now that global warming is known to be a hoax, I WANT MY OLD LIGHTBULBS BACK.

27 Thomas Sowell wrote an article and made some of the same basic points...sorry no link....

Even if you accept warming is occurring (which is now in doubt) you still have to answer the following:
1.  Explanations---cars or the sun, you decide
2.  Extrapolations---long term prediction models are certainly less than predictive.  And why is it that all the changes are CATASTRPOHIC!11!1!!!11  Why do AGW worshipers insist every hurricane will now be a Class Eleventy?
3.  Implications---couldn't having warmer Siberia regions benefit Siberians?  Isn't   it possible that areas of desert now could become more livable if rain patterns change?  If San Diego warms up a few degrees, is humanity destined to take simultaneous dirt naps?

The truth is, conjecture on what any warming may cause is just that.  And that big freeze and thaw that occurred prior to gas-guzzling SUVs leads me to believe weather happens, we're just along for the ride. 

Besides, now that Harry "Jesus Christ" Reid has declared victory over sickness, death, and the grave, why me worry?

28 Imagine the wheat belt expanding 200 miles further north across the entire expanse of Eurasia and Canada. 

Global warming?  Bring it.

29

Rocks: 13

One thing is for sure. One day some very bright, most likely very white, guy is going to build a machine to scrub CO2 from the atmosphere cheaply and quickly and we are all going to be freezing our asses off.

 Thread winner!

...so far...

30 No to mention that the Chinese can do the math.

Unlike Americans.  If you want to make real money in the US, go to law school.

31

Chancellor of the Exchequer (which may be the coolest government title in the western world)

Meh.

32

Screw the environment! Polar bears killed my father.

(I actually said that to a check-out guy when he complimented me for refusing a bag. Made my whole week.)

33 Lord Keeper of the Privy Seal

Well, yeah if you go into to the honorary type deals there are some awesome ones.

Black Rod for example had to have been a very popular porn name in the 15th century.

But for jobs with real power? Nothing beats the Chancellor of the Exchequer

34 If liberals believe that Man (or Mann) controls the temperature of the planet, then choose a temperature and stick to it. Appoint a Global Temperature Czar and Congress to specify the climate for us. Also, I'd like it to snow before and during each Christmas.

35 I support global warming, because greenhouses have the purtiest flowers.

36 Isn't "Exchequer" a word that means "vagina"?

37 No to mention that the Chinese can do the math.

Not to mention that the Chinese aren't pandering to a myriad of special interest groups and buying favor with voters.  The Chinese, as totalitarians, do what's in their best interest.

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I would find the Global Warming enthusiasts somewhat more credible if they shared their data and models and analyses, debated their results, and supported projects focused on extracting CO2 from the atmosphere and sequestering it somehow. 

Early on in this debacle of AGW, there were projects focused on carbon sequestration, which directly addresses the issue they pointed to as the cause of AGW - high (in their opinions) levels of CO2 in the atmosphere.  Somehow this all morphed into alternative energy development and a carbon offset market.  WTF? 

Oh, no.  There's no wealth redistribution agenda here. 

I hope with the release of the whisleblower data, AGW dies a painful death.  Painful in the sense that it takes down the faux scientists perpetrating this scam on the world.  F*ck them!

39 burberry scarf | CD Keys

40 carbon cap schemes= STEALTH SOCIALISM.

41 Chancellor of the Exchequer (which may be the coolest government title in the western world) Eh, it's alright. Just a fancy way of saying "The Secretary of the Treasury", which is basically the CoX's job.