November 21, 2009
— Gabriel Malor I think the moral of this story is that if you get a few thousand stupid people together, they will behave stupidly.
Three thousand people gathered at a mall in Garden City to see teen pop singer Justin Bieber. I've never heard of him, but apparently he gets the the teenage girls hot and bothered. About two hours before his scheduled arrival, the gathered fans had a mass conniption and started knocking each other down and sending each other to the hospital.
Police arrested a vice president from Bieber's record label, Island Def Jam Records, saying he wasn't cooperating with attempts to disperse the crowd.James Roppo, 44, of Hoboken, N.J., was charged with a series of misdemeanors, including endangering the welfare of children and obstructing governmental administration.
"We asked for his help in getting the crowd to go away by sending out a Twitter message," said Nassau County Police Det. Lt. Kevin Smith. "By not cooperating with us, we feel he put lives in danger and the public at risk."
In this country, failure to act is almost never a crime. As the old lawschool hypo goes, an Olympic-class swimmer can watch a child drown in a lake and not be legally required to do anything about it. (This example is also frequently used to illustrate the difference between imposed legal requirements and moral duties.)
Unless this record label guy had some legal duty to protect the gathered fans, a conviction will never hold up. The Nassau County Police should know better. The report says he's charged with several misdemeanors, so maybe there's something more to the story.
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Scroll down, smartass. Drew had wall-to-wall coverage today.
Posted by: Gabriel Malor at November 21, 2009 05:22 PM (Mi2wf)
Look on the bright side, Byrd will probably fall over dead before the next vote comes up.
(Look for the silver lining...)
Posted by: Warthog at November 21, 2009 05:22 PM (paWPa)
Posted by: Sam at November 21, 2009 05:24 PM (7wdaM)
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Also, way OT but I need to vent: Les Miles is a fucking idiot. Seriously. That was the worst clock management I've ever seen. Even after losing 15 yards while already in FG position and then wasting 17 seconds between timeouts, dude still had enough time to get the FG team on the field. When he couldn't (?! - wtf not?), he responded by failing to try to score and win the game. Instead, his QB did the only thing that couldn't possibly have worked: spike the ball in the hope that the play would consume zero seconds. Unbelievable.
Posted by: Bust of Knute Rockne at November 21, 2009 05:26 PM (11uda)
Posted by: stuiec at November 21, 2009 05:30 PM (Ate22)
Posted by: joncelli at November 21, 2009 05:39 PM (Ko4Av)
bound to happen and I suspect this is growing by leaps and bounds now.
"Militia movement resurfaces across nation"
Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-democrat at November 21, 2009 05:40 PM (ACkhT)
you might as well start forgetting all that outdated stuff they taught you in law school and get with the new program Gabe.
Posted by: redc1c4 at November 21, 2009 05:42 PM (d1FhN)
Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 21, 2009 05:42 PM (muUqs)
Posted by: JWF at November 21, 2009 05:43 PM (29kbu)
Posted by: joncelli at November 21, 2009 05:43 PM (Ko4Av)
Posted by: Bust of Knute Rockne at November 21, 2009 09:26 PM (11uda)
He wore the wrong hat!
Posted by: Les Miles's other lucky hat at November 21, 2009 05:44 PM (kn+jW)
Posted by: Velociman at November 21, 2009 05:44 PM (qRkIn)
Posted by: Jim in San Diego at November 21, 2009 05:45 PM (H7Rlw)
but apparently he gets the the teenage girls hot and bothered
Yup...sounds like me back in the day
Posted by: dananjcon at November 21, 2009 05:46 PM (sZDwk)
"Militia movement resurfaces across nation"
http://tinyurl.com/yha54v8
Hmm. Can't decide whether it's the MSM trying to demonize anybody who owns a gun or a legitimate upsurge in anti-government feeling. Maybe both.
Posted by: joncelli at November 21, 2009 09:43 PM (Ko4Av)
Well, based on my current state of mind, I'd say it's a legitmate upsurge in anti-government feeling.
Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at November 21, 2009 05:47 PM (kn+jW)
but apparently he gets the the teenage girls hot and bothered
I know someone else who is hot and bothered now.
Posted by: maddow's middle finger at November 21, 2009 05:48 PM (sZDwk)
but apparently he gets the the teenage girls hot and bothered
Yup...sounds like me back in the day
Posted by: dananjcon at November 21, 2009 09:46 PM (sZDwk)
Me too.
Posted by: Roman Polanski at November 21, 2009 05:49 PM (+FzLa)
Posted by: eman at November 21, 2009 05:49 PM (fUtqR)
I think Verne Lundquist had it right when he asked "what are they doing?"
LSU was giftwrapped a victory and forgot to open it.
Posted by: JWF at November 21, 2009 05:50 PM (29kbu)
Posted by: doonuts at November 21, 2009 05:54 PM (hx+jH)
"Well, based on my current state of mind, I'd say it's a legitmate upsurge in anti-government feeling."
yep, have to agree with you there, and its not just conseravtives who are feeling that way, and the longer the undemocrats go along with this crap deathcare, the worse it will get.
Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-democrat at November 21, 2009 05:56 PM (ACkhT)
bound to happen and I suspect this is growing by leaps and bounds now.
"Militia movement resurfaces across nation"
http://tinyurl.com/yha54v8Well, they got their reports from Southern Poverty Law Center and a few other Soros funded grievance groups and race hustlers. I'm betting they call anyone with an anti tax bumper sticker "dangerous militia"
But radical muslims are no danger, nosirree, just a few of them have a nervous breakdown from being a muzzie in racist America and kill a lot of people. Charles Johnson says so, it MUST be true
Posted by: kbdabear at November 21, 2009 05:58 PM (sYxEE)
This is America, you don't have to help nobody if you don't want to!
Posted by: Jackie Chiles at November 21, 2009 06:00 PM (sYxEE)
Posted by: kbdabear at November 21, 2009 09:58 PM (sYxEE)
good point, I had no idea how many jars that jerk soros has his hands in.
Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-democrat at November 21, 2009 06:00 PM (ACkhT)
Look on the bright side, Byrd will probably fall over dead before the next vote comes up.
One can only hope!
Posted by: Bill R. at November 21, 2009 06:01 PM (EhlQq)
Well, yes.
OTOH, they're only writing about it--and with slanted language--to further marginalize gun owners and people who think the Constitution should be the law of the land. Classic redirection: draw attention away from guys in DC with access to your bank info and the ability to send you to prison for losing your health insurance, direct it toward the "nut" with the rifle and the copy of the Bill of Rights. Who has no power over you, but looks scary. Boo!
Posted by: HeatherRadish at November 21, 2009 06:01 PM (OkT2m)
Posted by: Gabriel Malor at November 21, 2009 09:22 PM (Mi2wf)
I know Gabriel, just f'in with ya.
Posted by: Bill R. at November 21, 2009 06:03 PM (EhlQq)
The actual legal charges that have been brought against him are nothing more than a post-hoc rationalization.
Posted by: Lee at November 21, 2009 06:04 PM (TcVyy)
FIFY!
And yes, young girls like the gay look....
Posted by: ParisParamus at November 21, 2009 06:04 PM (I2aaX)
Look on the bright side, Byrd will probably fall over dead before the next vote comes up.
One can only hope!
Posted by: Bill R. at November 21, 2009 10:01 PM (EhlQq)
And I'm sure Joe Manchin will appoint a hardcore conservative to take his place and Reid won't delay the vote until that happens.
Posted by: Blazer at November 21, 2009 06:04 PM (+FzLa)
Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-democrat at November 21, 2009 06:07 PM (ACkhT)
It's how we know I'm healthy. Whenever I'm just getting over a cold or whatever my best buddy snarks "Oh, you must be feelin' better, you're grouchy again."
Posted by: Gabriel Malor at November 21, 2009 06:07 PM (Mi2wf)
Posted by: Officer P-Diddy at November 21, 2009 06:08 PM (Vqrvy)
Sir.
Now I want you to go to Queens and get me a Sugar Cookie.
Posted by: Officer P-Diddy at November 21, 2009 06:13 PM (Vqrvy)
Posted by: mystry at November 21, 2009 06:13 PM (kmgIE)
Posted by: eman at November 21, 2009 06:14 PM (fUtqR)
Mr. Roppo, I'm real happy for you and imma let you finish, but Tweety Bird had one of the best Tweets ever. Of All Time !
Posted by: Kanye West at November 21, 2009 06:14 PM (+FzLa)
Posted by: Charlie Gibson at November 21, 2009 06:19 PM (xfRfG)
"President seeks $500,000 for ads to rebut Palin"
my fav. part:
"
So it has come to this: a sitting president soliciting donations for counter-attack ads on a former VP nominee hockey mom that most of the mainstream media rediculed in the last election. If her claims are so outrageous, why bother spending the money to respond? Maybe because a lot of people are listening to her, and many of them might just agree with what she is saying.
"
Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-democrat at November 21, 2009 06:22 PM (ACkhT)
Meh. Mr. Roppo was a VP for the label, meaning he was probably the one in charge of the event. He should have a legal obligation to ensure good order and safety and to assist the police if things get out of hand.
Posted by: Alex at November 21, 2009 06:27 PM (6Hf5w)
On the other hand, Palin on Levin, or on O'Reilly was truly a revelation. She is really good, smart, poised, and conservative.
I still want Romney in 2012, with or without Palin as VP, but already, I would prefer her over, basically, anyone else out there.
Posted by: ParisParamus at November 21, 2009 06:27 PM (I2aaX)
Posted by: ParisParamus at November 21, 2009 06:38 PM (I2aaX)
Honestly? It's fundraising rhetoric. Rush Limbaugh is a common name to drop. Newt Gingrich used to be. It gets the old liberal mouths a-frothin'.
She's their Emmanuel Goldstein. (I never tire of making that reference.)
Posted by: AmishDude at November 21, 2009 06:47 PM (T0NGe)
Posted by: FUBAR at November 21, 2009 06:53 PM (eRJUD)
If the record label organized the event, they were deriving commercial advantage from it (which they surely were), and the VP was the person in charge, then I think a strong argument could be made that a special relationship exists between the VP and the attendees. Your Olympic swimmer example is Torts 101, but inapplicable because he is deriving no commercial advantage from the child.
(Yes, IAAL, but I am not admitted in NY, so this all comes with the caveat that it depends on how NY has defined special relationship.)
Mike
Please note: Though I am a lawyer, I am not yours, this should not be construed as legal advice, etc.
Posted by: MikeJ at November 21, 2009 06:55 PM (oN8K4)
Anybody remember the LSU-Auburn game a few years ago? He did something similarly stupid and was rewarded for it.
Posted by: FUBAR at November 21, 2009 06:56 PM (eRJUD)
bound to happen and I suspect this is growing by leaps and bounds now.
That it leaned on data provided by SPLC is all you need to know about the (non)credibility of that article.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 21, 2009 07:04 PM (wFDx5)
Posted by: ParisParamus at November 21, 2009 07:14 PM (I2aaX)
So the charge(s) probably included "Endangering public safety" or "Refusing to follow police instructions" or some such.
No duty necessary. Except the one to avoid breaking criminal laws.
Posted by: FUBAR at November 21, 2009 07:25 PM (eRJUD)
The cops have no right to force anybody to act.
Or else we live in a police state.
Posted by: Nom de Blog at November 21, 2009 08:48 PM (FqeP1)
People who like today's pop stars THAT MUCH are obviously too stupid to do anything but grow up to be Democrats.
"God help us...in the future." Which is gonna happen in about a month.
Say, are the Demoncrats working on lowering the voting to age to 12? They could get a lot more votes if some hunky vampire said he was ALL UP on ObamaCare.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 21, 2009 09:21 PM (eNxMU)
NY Penal Law 195.10 is called "Refusing to aid a peace or police officer." It says that "a person is guilty of refusing to aid a peace or police officer when, upon command by a peace or police officer identifiable or identified to him as such, he unreasonably fails or refuses to aid such peace or police officer in effecting an arrest, or in preventing the commission by another person of any offense. Refusing to aid a peace or a police officer is a B misdemeanor."
This would be the closest thing I could think of, with the D.A. then presumably arguing that everything else that happened -- a police officer getting hurt, etc. -- flowed from this refusal. Problem is, unless the teens in the crowd were themselves committing crimes, this wouldn't fit -- even if it would otherwise apply to a command to send a Twitter message!
Posted by: Larry from NY at November 21, 2009 09:25 PM (y8WuU)
Hmmmmmmmmmmm ...
An EYEtalian from Hoboken allows young females to go batshit crazy and does nothing about it?
We still you you, Old Blue Eyes - Your great pipes too.
~(Ä)~
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Posted by: Rokketmania at November 22, 2009 06:15 AM (9a5ev)
Posted by: Daryl Herbert at November 22, 2009 06:17 AM (0sbCT)
Posted by: Lt. Frank Drebin at November 22, 2009 06:45 AM (UGOcx)
Posted by: moi at November 22, 2009 08:58 AM (aXjEk)
The record label called these people to this area, correct? Then a representative of the record label may have a duty. (May - been a long time since I did any tort law.)
The olympic swimmer in the example was not a lifeguard, was not a guardian of those children, had no relation to them at all, IIRC.
We expect people to assist, and we have passed statutes (Good Samaritan Laws) to protect amateur rescuers from suit. But there is nothing otehrwise that compels a stranger, in all meanings of the word, to act. It appears that the record label was not a stranger to the event. Hence, some duty may be required.
Posted by: Mikey NTH at November 22, 2009 10:18 AM (TUWci)
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