December 01, 2009

"Fisking" a lukewarm "fisking" of Mike Huckabee's statements
— Russ from Winterset

I'm torn here. This article for The Iowa Republican was written by a former friend of mine, and I was really conflicted about criticizing his point of view. On the other hand, it took me most of the day to get to the point where I'm not simply "channeling my Inner Eddiebear" and addressing his piece with a baseball bat & a laundry basket full of obscenities.

Yes, I referred to Steve Deace as a "former" friend. We still correspond in a civil manner, but when he called me out for "thinking like a politician, and not a Christian" because I dared to support Fred Thompson instead of Mike Huckabee, that was pretty much the equivalent of pouring gas on our friendship and then dancing around the room to "Stuck In The Middle With You". And when a guy goes after Congressman Steve King (R, Straight Outta' the 1950's) for being INSUFFICIENTLY CONSERVATIVE and actively solicits people to primary him, you've got to wonder if the inmates have taken over his asylum, so to speak. But, just because the guy did me wrong, it still doesn't feel right to go after him. I'll have to comfort myself with the knowledge that my differences with him are in areas of public policy, and that speaking my mind is necessary to help frame the debate.

For the vast majority of you who don't live in Iowa, Steve is the afternoon drive time talk radio host for WHO (1040 AM). This is a 50,000 watt radio station where Ronald Reagan got his start in broadcasting back in the 1930s. Needless to say, the big reach of this powerful station, combined with Iowa's "First In The Nation" status because of the caucus means that his political influence extends beyond the borders of our state. He's always been a big advocate of conservative values, but his religious awakening of a few years ago really focused his views. About 3 years ago, he switched from sports talk format at a smaller affiliated station to a permanent slot on "The Mothership" where he is free to talk politics 24/7/365.

If you take the "jump" into the extended entry, you'll be faced with a LONG "fisking" of an article written by a BIG Huckabooster from the '08 Iowa Caucus. If you're sick of the issue, maybe you should just skip ahead to a nice, short AGW thread, or even the ONT, where I hear that Maetenloch has finally started to bring enough chewing gum for EVERYONE. Just please don't be "that guy". You know the one: the guy who just has to tell you that "I (voluntarily) read your whole article, and I can't believe that you wasted my valuable time".

The great thing about the blogosphere is that you don't HAVE to read anything you don't want to read. With that said.....here I go.

I'm giving you background because I want to be fair. A person's convictions are formed by their life experiences, and Steve has become a man who strongly believes that America needs a strong Christian leader to help dig us out of the hole we've slipped into over the last few decades. He's so good on so many issues that I really feel bad about the few issues where we diverge. Which brings me to his latest work:

First, Huckabee proved during the 2008 Iowa Caucuses that sincerity and clear moral convictions trump money and organization in his huge upset of Romney. Second, his presidential campaign revealed to the Republican Party’s Christian Conservative base just how hated it is by the party establishment, and that Republican media bias against people of faith is just as ugly and prevalent as it is among the Democrats. Third, his political ascension also revealed just how cowardly and compromised many so-called “Christian leaders” are when it comes to their political activity.

OK, I agree with darn near everything he says here. Romney's Iowa campaign was largely based on buying off Iowa's political leaders, Huck's win was a demonstration of how to run an insurgent campaign, and many of the alleged "Republican" media figures have shown more hostility to the "godbothering rubes" in their own base than they have EVER shown to socialists like Obama. Plus, he's got a damn good point about the failings of many "so-called Christian leaders". Not much to argue about......yet.

However, just when it seems as if HuckabeeÂ’s star is about to go supernova, his entire ministry and future political ambitions are now at risk because of this story.

Predictably, the Republican establishment and its various media cronies who hate Christians more than the Democrats do have pounced on this story.

The exact same people who said nothing while Palin put a Planned Parenthood official on the state supreme court where she could kill babies from the bench with little difficulty, or still havenÂ’t come clean about RomneyÂ’s far left record in Massachusetts, now suddenly canÂ’t wait to expose HuckabeeÂ’s poor judgment and the tragedy that at least partially resulted from it.

There it is. Only seven paragraphs into his article. The implication that everyone who has "pounced on this story" hates Christians more than the Democrats do. And then he slides right into the standard "Well, before I tell you about my differences with Mike Huckabee, let's drop a non sequitur about his former and possibly future political opponents" playbook. I could see the reason for bringing up these two politicians if either one of them had ANY relevance on the issue of Huck handing out clemencies to violent felons in Arkansas like an ACORN worker handing out voter registration forms in a Democratic neighborhood. Did Mitt Romney grant clemency to violent rapist Wayne DuMond? Was Sarah Palin the politician who thought that making Maurice Clemmons elgible for parole was a good idea, even after he brought weapons to court and lashed out during hearings? No, both of those sub-genius ideas sprung forth from the brain of one person: Mike Huckabee.

The early appearance of this "Yeah but look at what THESE people did!" line of thinking darn near wipes out ANYTHING good that he may or may not say in the remainder of the nearly 40 paragraph article. Like a house built on the sand, this poor foundation dooms his whole piece. If Tiger Woods had used this sort of a rhetorical foundation for his conversation about his (alleged) infidelity with his wife this last weekend, I can imagine that it went a little like this:

"Honey, I think we need to talk about how I've sinned against you and come up short as a husband; but first I'd just like to say that your mother is a really annoying witch, and all your siblings are just leeches living off my generosity."

Yeah, what could go wrong with starting a conversation that way? He then goes on to criticize Ron Paul & his vast army of winged monkeys, which I don't want to get into for two reasons:

1. He tempers his criticism of Paul with several compliments, which make his points all the more valid.

2. Ron Paul and his supporters often act ........oh what's the phrase I'm looking for ............ crazier than shithouse rats? Yeah, that about covers it.


On the other hand, as a vocal Huckabee supporter, itÂ’s not as easy for me to just dismiss this as another case of media bias and the establishment having it in for my man. ThatÂ’s not critical thinking. In fact, itÂ’s the same kind of cult of personality Huckabee supporters often accused Romney supporters of when they kept believing him to be the second coming of Ronald Reagan despite his far left record.

As Christians, we donÂ’t hold ourselves and each other to the standard of the world, and we are to aim higher than the lowest common cultural denominator. We donÂ’t get to say because your guy did this and my guy did that itÂ’s not as bad and I am better than you. ThatÂ’s moral relativism and that isnÂ’t Biblical.

This is damn good stuff. DAMN good, other than the slight dig at Romney (which I don't begrudge him, as long as its kept "on a leash"). If he hadn't started off with attacks on Palin and Romney and kept the tone of his article along these lines, I wouldn't be writing this piece. I'd be posting a link to it instead, with something like "You've got to read this piece; he really gets it." But, like I said earlier, this good material has been placed on a shaky foundation, and the whole structure is unstable.

This is why I hesitated to "fisk" this article: I agree with huge chunks of what he says. The problem is that in order to get the good stuff, you've got to swallow all the poisonous content as well, and I just can't do that. After all, this is a guy who ridicules Republicans who believe that "you should support someone who agrees with you 80% of the time", so he should be honored that I'm with him in thinking that some minor disagreements disproportionately overshadow all the agreeable content of an article.


So what is the proper Christian response to these grisly murders, and a national Christian leaderÂ’s role in it? LetÂ’s start with what I think itÂ’s not.

We should avoid at all costs the fleshy temptation to make this about HuckabeeÂ’s political future, pro or con. Let me be among the first to say IÂ’ve already violated this suggestion, because my first inclination when I heard about this story was to gauge its political ramifications as well. Mea culpa.

We should also avoid the temptation to lecture our fellow Christian about his support for Huckabee, unless we decided to support nobody last election because nobody was good enough, because the simple fact of the matter is none of these candidates holds up 100% to the scrutiny of the Scriptures.

DID I ALSO MENTION THAT MITT ROMNEY IS A LYING LIAR WHO LIES ABOUT ALL THE LIES HE'S TOLD? Because that's how Jesus would tell the story. I mean "our" Jesus, not "Jesus, Satan's Brother" that all those polygamists who like to wear magic underwear & worship Zenu believe in.

I especially like his assertion that the only people who are qualified to say "I told you so" are those who supported NONE OF THE ABOVE in the 2008 election. In the wise words of Rush (the band, not the talk show host): "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice". I believe that God still acts in the lives of his children, but I also believe in that old folk saying "God helps those who help themselves". Simply throwing your hands in the air & shouting "Take over God, I trust you!" doesn't work very well when you're cruising on a crowded interstate, and I don't really think it works any better as a method for dealing with political issues.

The problem is that Biblically that is not the role of the state, not to mention the fact itÂ’s a theological error. The state exists to punish evil-doers, which the Seattle killer commuted by Huckabee clearly is, and not to redeem them. Frankly, that is the sort of thinking liberals base their flawed ideology on, and we have the welfare state, open borders, generation family dysfunction, and overcrowded prisons to thank for it.

It is THE CHURCH that is called to redeem, not the state, and it is the state that is called to administer justice, not THE CHURCH.

Therefore, as Arkansas governor HuckabeeÂ’s first job wasnÂ’t to be a minister of the Gospel, but a minister of justice. ItÂ’s not the governorÂ’s job to hand out second chances, thatÂ’s the pastorÂ’s. ItÂ’s the governorÂ’s job to make sure those that blew their first chance donÂ’t have another chance to hurt more people and property before theyÂ’ve been adequately punished and are sufficiently repentant.

Huckabee blurred the ministerial lines here, and a tragedy happened because of it. His intentions were good, but so are the intentions of most liberals that engage in the same thinking with American taxpayer money. Besides, didnÂ’t someone once point out the road to Hell is often paved with good intentions?

Damn, this is GOOD stuff. I linked it because I think these four paragraphs are filled with power and good sense. To quote one of my old co-workers, they're "shining like a diamond in a goat's ass". I told you that the guy agreed with me MOST of the time, and I'd love to have been the man who wrote this portion of the article.

Unfortunately, he doesn't end on a high note:


That then leads us to what we should do. For that I have one simple suggestion. Take HuckabeeÂ’s advice and make the Gospel the one and only priority we filter all other things through, including (and perhaps especially) our political involvement.

"In order to prevent any future military leaders from losing sight of the BIG PICTURE and biting off more than they can chew, I think we should take some advice from collected writings of General George Armstrong Custer."

Are you kidding me? The lesson we need to take away from this whole brouhaha comes from.....Mike Huckabee? There's nobody else who has EVER said anything similar? Of course, if you think about it, the only politician who's sanctified enough to offer a critique of Mike Huckabee's actions is........Mike Huckabee!

Steve proceeds to close his article with an email from a listener to his show who was also a Huckabee supporter:

His critics were waitingÂ…Â…Â…..waiting for something to happen. Like I said, I hope they remember that there are four mourning families out there. I donÂ’t have an answer for what this will all mean for Huckabee and his future in politics. GodÂ’s ways are not our ways. Although I believe most everything hinges on if Huckabee admits it was his action that set the whole thing in gear.

All I know is that our prayers should be with Huckabee that he will handle himself in a way that shows the world why we all support him. He is a good man who was a good Governor. Even if this event takes away his political future, I donÂ’t want those things taken away from him. He has worked too hard and does not deserve to have what good he has done and still is doing to be stripped from him.

The listener's email is very powerfull, and I sympathize with all the concern for the families of the victims; HOWEVER, I just can't help noticing the implication that the critics of Mike Huckabee are willing to "throw the victims families under the bus" (not a quote, but a summary of the writer's thoughts, IMHO, placed in quotes because of the use of a common saying), to discredit the Governor.

It's the same problem I had with the early part of the article: Too many Huckabee supporters find it impossible to express ANY critism of their fair-haired boy without also including shots at Giuliani, Romney, Palin, Gingrich, et.al.

Like I said before: a very good article that is hamstrung by a fatal flaw. If he could just focus on Mike Huckabee's positives and negatives, I think we could have a civil conversation. Unfortunately, that's not going to happen anytime soon.

Criticism of Mike Huckabee's fiscal policies from the Club For Growth? Motivated by personal animus towards Huck. AND ROMNEY IS A LIAR!

Criticism of Mike Huckabee's policies regarding illegal immigrants while Governor of Arkansas? Why it's all "un-Christian, un-American, irresponsible and anti-life".

Don't like the fact that Mike Huckabee treated ethics laws in Arkansas the same way Rick Neuheisel treated NCAA recruiting rules while he was at Colorado? You're thinking like a politician, not a Christian. Oh yeah, and Romney's a liar!

Do you think that Huckabee's "Don't Mormons believe that Jesus and Satan were brothers?" dig at Romney? Why don't you take your magic underwear clad ass back to Provo, and say hi to your WIVES while you're at it.

See what I mean? The one common thing with EVERY negative story about Mike Huckabee is Mike Huckabee's assertion that the whole thing is an attempt by his enemies to tarnish his righteousness. In the words of Auric Goldfinger: "Once is chance. Twice is Happenstance. Three times is enemy action."

Posted by: Russ from Winterset at 05:51 PM | Comments (55)
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1 Russ: can you edit that to 100 words or less? Thanks.

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 01, 2009 05:54 PM (QECjC)

2 Huckabee.  Yawn.

Posted by: Jane D'oh! at December 01, 2009 05:57 PM (UOM48)

3 Hey!  Look over there!  Mitt Romney is lying about something again!  LIAR!

Posted by: Russ from Winterset at December 01, 2009 05:57 PM (/MEFr)

4

DID I ALSO MENTION THAT MITT ROMNEY IS A LYING LIAR WHO LIES ABOUT ALL THE LIES HE'S TOLD? Because that's how Jesus would tell the story. I mean "our" Jesus, not "Jesus, Satan's Brother" that all those polygamists who like to wear magic underwear & worship Zenu.

 

This was the first clue I had about the rat-bastard Huckabee-- he stirred up religious hatred against fucking Mormons.  He isn't a loving man.

Posted by: Truman North at December 01, 2009 05:58 PM (XH/G8)

5

when he called me out for "thinking like a politician, and not a Christian" because I dared to support Fred Thompson instead of Mike Huckabee,

This is what people need to remember as the major point when it looks like Huckabee is being attacked for his christianity.  It that it seems like his christianity is the be all end all of his appeal and all other candidates are less christian by definition and therefore ineligible to be the gop candidate.  Actual policy differences are completely irrelevant.

Posted by: buzzion at December 01, 2009 06:04 PM (opdYb)

6

I'm a Catholic.  I have no doubt that if Huck's big rival had been Catholic, the Huckster would have started dropping snide remarks about how Catholics aren't real Christians.  Not all Baptists believe that, but I've certainly encountered some who do.

If Huck had been running in '84, he would have made hay out of the fact that Reagan seldom went to church. 

Huck is not that different from Obambi - like bambi, Huck wants to preach at us while he's emptying our wallets to pay for social programs he favors..

 

Posted by: Donna V. at December 01, 2009 06:13 PM (DrHwq)

7 Yep, the only thing that creeps me out more than Huckabee are Huckabee supporters.

Posted by: myrenovations at December 01, 2009 06:18 PM (8hMC4)

8

Donna, Sam Brownback was a Catholic who was running against Huck for the nomination last time.  The fact that Brownback lagged FAR behind Huck & Romney in support didn't keep a lot of Huck's "God Squad" from whispering just those sort of accusations early in the process.

 

Brownback inspired even more vitriol than your run-of-the-mill Papist:  he's a protestant who converted BACK to Catholicism.

Posted by: Russ from Winterset at December 01, 2009 06:21 PM (/MEFr)

9  Another Huck supporter who has the same problem that Russ noticed is the execrable Kevin McCullough. Today he couldn't prop his boy Huckabee up without taking shots at Romney supporters. Lame.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at December 01, 2009 06:22 PM (Mi2wf)

10 I look forward to the day Laptop-battery posts first. And what a waste of my valuable time.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at December 01, 2009 06:24 PM (muUqs)

11

Thank you for making the case so succintly.  One doesn't need to be a supporter of Palin or Romney or anyone else in the Republican party to see that Huckabee is a fraud and worse, a pretender.  I am personally offended by the continuous barrage of attacks that if I don't support Huckabee, I'm not a true Christian.  His campaign was deplorable regarding the Mormon issue with Romney, the rest was mostly unsubstantiated assertions about his record as governor (unsubstantiated, meaning adequate in performance at best).

It is time we rid ourselves of this buffoon.  Good riddance.

 

Posted by: RCT at December 01, 2009 06:28 PM (/X2LL)

12 Main Entry: suc·cinct Pronunciation: \(ˌ)sək-ˈsiŋ(k)t, sə-ˈsiŋ(k)t\ Function: adjective Etymology: Middle English, from Latin succinctus having one's clothes gathered up by a belt, tightly wrapped, concise, from sub- + cinctus, past participle of cingere to gird — more at cincture Date: 15th century

1 archaic a : being girded b : close-fitting
2 : marked by compact precise expression without wasted words <a succinct description> synonyms see concise

— suc·cinct·ly \-ˈsiŋ(k)t-lē, -ˈsiŋ-klē\ adverb

— suc·cinct·ness \-ˈsiŋt-nəs, -ˈsiŋk-nəs\ noun

 

THIS WORD SUCCINCT THAT YOU KEEP USING?  I DO NOT THINK IT MEANS WHAT YOU THINK IT DOES!

Posted by: Russ from Winterset at December 01, 2009 06:36 PM (/MEFr)

13

I consider myself a strong Christian (...and love ASHQ) but have always been leery of Mike Huckabee and many of his supporters.  Something doesn't sit right!  ..and though he seems like a nice man, I have more worries about him as a politician than I can enumerate...being compassionate does not mean that we must let dangerous criminals out of jail to hurt others.  There is something disingenuous about HuckÂ’s manner...and his ability to sabotage his opponents while standing by and smiling.  Though he may not be the devil, many many Christians are not taken in by his "smooth talkin"!  He is not the candidate we are looking for! 

Posted by: Mich from Hou at December 01, 2009 06:43 PM (2Nd5q)

14

Yes, I referred to Steve Deace as a "former" friend. We still correspond in a civil manner, but when he called me out for "thinking like a politician, and not a Christian" because I dared to support Fred Thompson instead of Mike Huckabee, that was pretty much the equivalent of pouring gas on our friendship and then dancing around the room to "Stuck In The Middle With You".

My fiance has a friend who did not vote for McCain because Huckabee didn't get the VP slot. Meanwhile this friend is telling everyone not to vote for Obama, while she isnt going to vote all. My fiance really can't stand Huckabee and neither can I. I'm pretty sure there is some sort of theology out there that says we will suffer torment eternally for that. Oh well.

Posted by: Mark at December 01, 2009 06:44 PM (Vvbjc)

15 Your friend is very misinformed on the Palin State Supreme Court pick. The actual circumstances are probably easily found online, if not, it is explained in her book.

Posted by: Mark at December 01, 2009 06:47 PM (Vvbjc)

16

Russ -- pardon the misspelling.  Perhaps what I should have said is that I appreciate your rather "comprehensive" fisking of this article.

In any case, cheers from me.

 

Posted by: RCT at December 01, 2009 06:49 PM (/X2LL)

17 Ah yes, good old WHO, when they said clear and sunny you took a raincoat with you.  Nice to see that they are still hitting them out of the ballpark.

Posted by: GreenGasEmissions at December 01, 2009 07:02 PM (xa1/W)

18

Well, I would rather Huck in the White House right now over what we got.

That said..Why does Rush Limbaugh refuse to run?  For PREZ?

He has made his fortune. Like the Honest Presidents before. A real Conservative Ticket in 2012. Sarrah as VP? or President and Rush as VP?

Why?

Posted by: lowest strata at December 01, 2009 07:03 PM (kVzrh)

19 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven."

When I think of Huckabee and of those of his disciples who dislike Huckabee are also haters of Christ and Christianity, these particular words of the actual Savior of mankind always springs to mind.

There are all kinds of battles going on right now.  Some are invisible.


Posted by: baldilocks at December 01, 2009 07:09 PM (KOBOe)

20 Hmm.  Let's try that again. (Hot brandy toddy at fault. Yes, Christians drink.)

"When I think of Huckabee and of those of his disciples who say that those who dislike Huckabee are also haters of Christ and Christianity, these particular words of the actual Savior of mankind always springs to mind."

Posted by: baldilocks at December 01, 2009 07:12 PM (KOBOe)

21 springs=spring

:::burp::::

but my sinuses are clear

Posted by: baldilocks at December 01, 2009 07:13 PM (KOBOe)

22 Huck parades some piety and this is supposed to lay claim to my vote as a good Christian?

Nope.  Sorry, Huck.  You're a) a politician, b) wrong on a lot of important issues, and c) as fishy as a bait bucket.

You're also a smear merchant who essentially ran against a Mormon the way a Grand Kleagle rails against the Jews.

Posted by: nickless at December 01, 2009 07:15 PM (MMC8r)

23 "Steve has become a man who strongly believes that America needs a strong Christian leader to help dig us out of the hole we've slipped into over the last few decades."

"Take HuckabeeÂ’s advice and make the Gospel the one and only priority we filter all other things through, including (and perhaps especially) our political involvement"

I agree wholeheartedly with the first quote I've listed above.  And I am a Christian who attempts to live up to the 2nd quote.  I've been impressed with some of the things Huckabee has said as a Christian.

However,  supporting him for president because he is a Christian without reasonably considering his qualification for the job is not wise.  The tragic murder of the police officers by someone granted clemency by Huckabbe is simply clear evidence that he is not qualified to govern and supports previously presented arguments to that end.

I have no problem with, and would even prefer,  a strong Christian leader whose faith is primary influence on his decision making.  However, the reality is that sometimes our faith is misguided and we need to reconsider our decision when the fruit of our actions turns out rotten.  Huckabee's apparent unwillingness to do this, instead placing the blame on everyone else makes me doubt his ability to successfully apply his personal faith to a position of political leadership.  I felt that way during the 2008 campaign and I feel more that way now. 

Thanks for taking the time to make an appropriate balanced response to the article.

Posted by: chuck at December 01, 2009 07:26 PM (p3e3O)

24 Voting for Huck because he's a Christian is no better than voting for Obama because he's black.

Posted by: nickless at December 01, 2009 07:27 PM (MMC8r)

25 I should have been more clear in the my major paragraph.  I don't believe that Christian faith is ever misguided, but the faith-based actions we take as Christians can certainly be misguided by our personal shortcomings and lack of understanding.

Posted by: chuck at December 01, 2009 07:32 PM (p3e3O)

26

By Why, I mean see 18 above; We Are Losing this War. Rush and Palin can see it. so can we. The Evil Force must be stopped. Palin n Rush could stop it.

They have to want to though..

 

Posted by: lowest strata at December 01, 2009 07:34 PM (kVzrh)

27 ..in my last major paragraph...

Yeah.  I don't always proofread my stuff well.  And I make mistakes in walking out my faith.

Posted by: chuck at December 01, 2009 07:34 PM (p3e3O)

28
Stalin said he didn't want to starve millions, it's just that the grain shipments had already been sold overseas and he had to honor those commitments.

Posted by: Flying Monkey at December 01, 2009 07:40 PM (Oxen1)

29 Both Huck and Deace have a mean streak and I wonder if their theology is defined by whom they hate and how they can prove how ultra-Christian they are. It isn't a new phenomenon by a longshot, holier-than-thou, but we don't need it in Republican politics. Such people tend to bend to the social justice crowd, spend like drunken sailors and pardon or commute over 100 criminal sentences per year.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 01, 2009 07:47 PM (ItSLQ)

30 Nicely done, Russ. 


Posted by: Kathy at December 01, 2009 08:05 PM (GUZ0S)

31 you'll be faced with a LONG "fisking" of an article written by a BIG Huckabooster from the '08 Iowa Caucus.

Meh.  Don't let Deace get under your skin.  He's harmless because his boy Huck is done.

D. O. N. E.

Huck was fading long before the Willie Horton Jr. fiasco. 

This week Maurice Clemmons just hammered the final nail in his coffin.

So let Deace go off on his tangent.  He'll be back ... eventually.

Posted by: Scott McClellan at December 01, 2009 08:15 PM (4iIhs)

32 Die sock!!!!

Posted by: Che Pizza at December 01, 2009 08:18 PM (4iIhs)

33 The exact same people who said nothing while Palin put a Planned Parenthood official on the state supreme court where she could kill babies from the bench with little difficulty,

Your ex-friend is an ignorant buffoon.

1) Judge Cristen never worked for Planned Parenthood.  She worked for some adoption agency that later became part of Planned Parenthood long after she was gone. 

2) The AK Bar Association forwards three SCOTUS candidates to the Governor.  The Governor gets to choose one from among those three.  There are no exceptions.  Murkowski resisted this once and was threatened with impeachment.  Christen was a moderate.  The other two were flaming Earth First enviro-whacko commie douchebags, which is not something a state that depends almost entirely on natural resources for its livelihood can't have on the bench.

Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at December 01, 2009 09:29 PM (IoUF1)

34 First off some basic understanding:

Read the following at Power and Control since the fookin url link thingy doesn't work. At all.

Any way the premise:

Government is a criminal enterprise.

Second what to do about abortion in the face of the above:

What to do?









Posted by: M. Simon at December 01, 2009 10:09 PM (mOhJS)

35 Government is a criminal enterprise.

http://tinyurl.com/yfdupnh

What to do?

http://tinyurl.com/y9uuu7h

Posted by: M. Simon at December 01, 2009 10:12 PM (mOhJS)

36 Government is a criminal enterprise.

http://tinyurl.com/yfdupnh

What to do?

http://tinyurl.com/y9uuu7h

Posted by: M. Simon at December 01, 2009 10:14 PM (mOhJS)

37  

Russ, dude- the Democrats could use a guy like you for their next legislating orgy.  I'm not on any kind of ADHD meds, but I'd need to be if I ever attempted to finish reading your post.  I just hope it ends up with you telling this Deace douche to get stuffed.  Either way, I'm guessing this doesn't really help Mitt Romney.

Posted by: sartana at December 01, 2009 10:40 PM (KnIPh)

38  

Okay, I'm about a quarter of the way through Russ's post- it's looking like this could help Mitt Romney.

Good Stuff

Posted by: sartana at December 01, 2009 11:10 PM (KnIPh)

39

Russ, I'd say you are a giant bag of crap.

 

This was some of the most poorly written feeces on the wall stuff I have seen here.

Huckabee sucks, so does your buddy and so do you. 

 You sound like one of the freak shows that paint Paul as a racist to push your own candidate and are disgusting.

What a bunch of rambling garbage. 

Posted by: E.Holder at December 02, 2009 12:03 AM (LhCVS)

40 It is like Teh Fred said:

Mike Huckabee is a Christian Socialist.


Posted by: Lee at December 02, 2009 01:48 AM (TcVyy)

41 Every seed is a longing.

Posted by: Laptop-battery at December 02, 2009 01:59 AM (soROA)

42  

About half-way thru- doesn't look like it helps Romney from here.


Posted by: sartana at December 02, 2009 03:12 AM (KnIPh)

43 I am longing for an explanation of this post.

Posted by: Lap Top Battery Seed at December 02, 2009 03:19 AM (L+dBi)

44 The seeds of longing are warmed by Lap Top Batteries.

Posted by: Lap Top Battery at December 02, 2009 03:38 AM (aVzyR)

45 Whether you think Huckabee is wonderful or sucky, I think there is some validity to what the guy was writing.  I have never seen partisans so happy to eat one of their own.  I honestly believe that there are a bunch of people who uncorked a load in their pants when they heard that Huckabee had pardoned the guy.  It shouldn't be that way.

No matter who you support, we need to stay united as Republicans.  Let the Democrats be the ones to giggle and laugh and get all excited over this.  By taking joy out of the failures of one of our own, we alienate that part of the base.  If we go far enough, those voters will retaliate and that could lead to 4 more years of Barry.

Huckabee is toast.  Whether you are happy about it or not, let it ride.  it's better for everyone in the long run.

Posted by: Steve L. at December 02, 2009 04:06 AM (Gkhxf)

46 Yesterday at work, it seemed the lefties were happy about Huck's percieved demise. I wonder why they feel threatened by him.

Posted by: Lap Top Battery Seed at December 02, 2009 04:25 AM (L+dBi)

47 puppet off

Posted by: Artruen at December 02, 2009 04:26 AM (L+dBi)

48 I honestly believe that there are a bunch of people who uncorked a load in their pants when they heard that Huckabee had pardoned the guy.  It shouldn't be that way.

Well, Huckabee's really been screeching about this.  Protesting too much, as it were.

Look, if Huck had had a history of judicious pardons and this got out of his grasp, it would be perfectly defensible.  But Huckabee was notorious for letting people off.  As I said, the average was about 100 per year and he did so against strenuous objections of prosecutors.  Did he really look at any of these very carefully?

Most disturbingly, all the criminal had to do was talk about Jesus and out the door he went.

Huckabee is fundamentally liberal in many ways.  But also naive and this shows what a really terrible leader he is.  I personally don't blame Huck for this guy getting loose, the state of Washington bears the primary responsibility.  What it does show, however, is how reckless Huckabee was with the small amount of power he had.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 02, 2009 05:23 AM (T0NGe)

49

what is it about govs from that state - they just can't say yes, i made a mistake, i am sorry, please forgive me.  instead out come the blankets of this and that that they wrap themselves in to insulate themselves from just doing what most of us here would do and say, especially if you subscribe to Christ,  where its about forgiveness and asking for forgiveness.

Posted by: x11b1p at December 02, 2009 06:02 AM (ejoAx)

50

I’m not sure what the “therefore” is in this essay and, not trying to be funny, I’m not sure that Russ is too sure what it is either.

Constructive Criticism:
DonÂ’t wander. Economize with words. Make your point and make it clear.

Comment:
I am drop-dead certain that HuckabeeÂ’s political future is finished. Forever. And this doesnÂ’t bother me at all. Huckabee violated the public trust, albeit unintentionally, and we now have four dead police officers because of his profound error in judgment.

I do find it ironic, however, that Roger Ailes, who is the man who sunk Massachusetts Governor Michael DukakisÂ’ presidential aspirations with one mug shot, is also HuckabeeÂ’s current employer, though this doesnÂ’t bother me.

IÂ’m just not sure why Ace positively hates Huck.

Posted by: CTN at December 02, 2009 07:02 AM (573I7)

51

I liked your post - a lot.  I get some of the conflictedness as well, and with that in mind, whether or not you ever see this, a great Jewish sage once said in regards to the issue of free will, G-d's will and pre-destination that (paraphrasing);

It's like playing chess with a chess master, you get to choose your moves but in the end, the Chess Master wins.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at December 02, 2009 08:52 AM (RkRxq)

52

CTN:  The therefore you are looking for is not there.  The point of the article was to give you a glimpse of the thought process of a Huckabee "true believer".  The first part was "background" to let all of you who DON'T live in Iowa know what's going on, and the rest of the article was long and rambling because that's what happens when you "fisk" a long & rambling article.  Plus I got caught up in writing, and just let the words come, so I guess I'll have to cop to that.

 

HtP:  I saw it, and I appreciate that pearl of wisdom.

Posted by: Russ from Winterset at December 02, 2009 08:56 AM (7n7Br)

53 TLDR....

As for the Huckster.... being pro-life and pro-gun doesn't make one a conservative. Specially when you are pro-big government.

Posted by: Roux at December 02, 2009 09:16 AM (c/0dB)

54

Hi Russ,

I know the definition of fisk, I just didnÂ’t see you land anywhere, which, as a believer, left me empty-handed, since the column was written from a believerÂ’s perspective. A couple of times you alluded to the obligations of Christians, but I didnÂ’t see you spell them out with clarity or specificity. Maybe itÂ’s just me.

Posted by: CTN at December 02, 2009 01:02 PM (yr443)

55

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