November 19, 2009
— Ace Good.
Former Mayor Rudy Giuliani has decided against running for governor, but is strongly considering running for U.S. Senate instead, sources told the Daily News.The Republican heavyweight was considered the GOP's best shot at reclaiming the governor's mansion.
The only declared candidate on the Republican side is little-known former Long Island Rep. Rick Lazio.
One source said Giuliani is prepared to run for U.S. Senate against Democratic Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand in 2010 to fill out the remaining two years of Hillary's Clinton's term.
Sources say he also views the Senate bid as a possible launching pad for a 2012 presidential bid, which I doubt.
Giuliani famously, and suicidally, said he was "pro-choice" in the Republican presidential primaries.
Con: He destroyed his front-runner position in a blaze of self-indulgent glory
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Posted by: Iskandar at November 19, 2009 04:07 PM (u1pln)
Posted by: ace at November 19, 2009 04:08 PM (jlvw3)
There's a great potential for that, if you ask me.
Posted by: SlaveDog at November 19, 2009 04:08 PM (W+E+o)
Posted by: ace at November 19, 2009 04:10 PM (jlvw3)
Posted by: Mad Saint Jack at November 19, 2009 04:12 PM (zVgnK)
Posted by: Bosk at November 19, 2009 04:12 PM (pUO5u)
Posted by: ace at November 19, 2009 04:13 PM (jlvw3)
There's a great potential for that, if you ask me.
He'd do better as a presidential contender if he was a governer. Senators are generally big losers.
Posted by: Iamnotanalcoholic at November 19, 2009 04:13 PM (0f2vb)
Yep. Same with Colin Powell. If he had been willing to lie, or at least fudge the truth, he would have been our first black president. (dodged a bullet with that though).
Posted by: toby928 at November 19, 2009 04:13 PM (PD1tk)
Giuliani is not a legislator, he is an executive.
He's not a policy wonk, he's a top dawg.
He's making a mistake. He will lose and that will be the end of him.
He should be running for Governor. He'd end up Governor for Life.
So, maybe this means he is an idiot, afterall.
Posted by: Thea at November 19, 2009 04:13 PM (/3dGX)
He was diagnosed with prostate cancer before formally entering the race.
Like the man said, he slacked off.
What?
Posted by: Blue Hen at November 19, 2009 04:14 PM (1O93r)
Posted by: Soap MacTavish at November 19, 2009 04:14 PM (554T5)
Posted by: Laptop-battery at November 19, 2009 04:14 PM (mABA/)
Posted by: toby928 at November 19, 2009 04:15 PM (PD1tk)
Hmm, that doesn't sound like what Steyn was referring to. I guess he meant the Presidential race then because he also took a shot at Guiliani's not campaigning the early states.
Posted by: Iskandar at November 19, 2009 04:15 PM (u1pln)
Fondness for a candidate is independent of belief in that candidate's ability to win.
Posted by: ace at November 19, 2009 08:13 PM (jlvw3)
I agree, as a Northeast a Republican he can win locally because he's pro-choice. Nationally that won't fly with the base. The very reason he should stick to NY state politics.
Posted by: Blazer at November 19, 2009 04:15 PM (+FzLa)
We needed him there, then.
And frankly, we'll need him as Governor, not Senator, when the Obama/Holder Showtrial of the Century gets going.
Posted by: Thea at November 19, 2009 04:16 PM (/3dGX)
Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 19, 2009 04:17 PM (muUqs)
Well, I am more willing to give Rudy a pass on his RINOism. He has actually been an effective leader of something kind of sort of big, complex, and filled with Democrat moonbats-unlike the usual run of feckless RINO twats infesting the House and Senate.
Throw in the Mob-busting and his refusal to kiss Islamic buttocks, and I'd say he is about the best we could possibly hope for in a statewide New York race.
Oh, and the fact that he might actually be a fiscal conservative, unlike the aforementioned RINO twats who only break out the green eyeshades at election time or when there is some bill that social conservatives wish to pass.
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at November 19, 2009 04:19 PM (wgLRl)
Posted by: oblig. at November 19, 2009 04:19 PM (aK/MY)
Again - Rudy is making a mistake if he does this. But no one listens to me. You idiots don't even listen to me. I come here all the time, no one talks to me.
Posted by: Thea at November 19, 2009 04:19 PM (/3dGX)
I still don't think he can run for president. My southern cousins, conservative as can be, say they wouldn't vote for that city slicker, but I would love for him to be my senator.
Posted by: the real joe at November 19, 2009 04:23 PM (feNVJ)
Posted by: Peaches at November 19, 2009 04:23 PM (9Wv2j)
Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 19, 2009 04:23 PM (muUqs)
Posted by: ace at November 19, 2009 04:24 PM (jlvw3)
Rudy was also my pick for 2008. It was really tough to see him implode.
Posted by: Max Power on the back of some dude climbing up some giant hill at November 19, 2009 04:25 PM (q177U)
Posted by: ace at November 19, 2009 04:26 PM (jlvw3)
Posted by: Angus Dei at November 19, 2009 04:26 PM (WAI6U)
)Posted by: The Great Satan's Ghost at November 19, 2009 04:26 PM (Gn7VZ)
Posted by: the real joe at November 19, 2009 04:26 PM (feNVJ)
Posted by: ace at November 19, 2009 04:27 PM (jlvw3)
Posted by: Laptop-battery at November 19, 2009 08:14 PM (mABA/)
It's almost as if he types his posts out with that giant keyboard they give elephants in the zoo. You know the one that has about 20 or so random words on it?
Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Bacons, and Sometimes Meteors at November 19, 2009 04:27 PM (erIg9)
But no one listens to me. You idiots don't even listen to me. I come here all the time, no one talks to me.
Who was that?
Posted by: LGoPs at November 19, 2009 04:27 PM (v/rEn)
Oh, and the fact that he might actually be a fiscal conservative, unlike the aforementioned RINO twats who only break out the green eyeshades at election time or when there is some bill that social conservatives wish to pass.
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at November 19, 2009 08:19 PM (wgLRl)
Oh, and the fact that he might actually be a fiscal conservative, unlike the aforementioned RINO twats who only break out the green eyeshades at election time or when there is some bill that social conservatives wish to pass.
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at November 19, 2009 08:19 PM (wgLRl)
I could give him a pass on the pro-choice thing although I am not, if only to elect a fiscal and constitutional conservative and someone who would be hawkish on foreign policy, which I think Rudy would be wholly. However lets be real, his stance on abortion will split the party and that spells doom for a presidential run.
Governor or Senator of NY is his only hope which in my opinion is a shame, because although he's pro-choice, I doubt he'd look to expand upon abortion, or push it any further than his own personal opinion or the laws we already have in place.
Posted by: Blazer at November 19, 2009 04:30 PM (+FzLa)
Again - Rudy is making a mistake if he does this. But no one listens to me. You idiots don't even listen to me. I come here all the time, no one talks to me.
I notice people only talk to each other on certain threads. On others...there is only chaos.
Posted by: Max Power the sane bomber what bombs at lunch time at November 19, 2009 04:31 PM (q177U)
It's all fun and games until you have his job in a few months. Let's see your Cantonese.
Posted by: Iskandar at November 19, 2009 04:31 PM (u1pln)
What's wrong with this picture?
Posted by: Lincoln Adams at November 19, 2009 04:32 PM (gLNLT)
Posted by: Iskandar at November 19, 2009 08:31 PM (u1pln)
Laugh while you can monkeyboy?
Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Bacons, and Sometimes Meteors at November 19, 2009 04:32 PM (erIg9)
He's quite vocal in his opinion. We don't need another anti-gun activist in the senate. I still say he's the consummate RINO.
Posted by: Barbarian at November 19, 2009 04:34 PM (EL+OC)
Posted by: AmishDude at November 19, 2009 04:34 PM (4PC1s)
Posted by: The Great Satan's Ghost at November 19, 2009 04:35 PM (Gn7VZ)
Posted by: LGoPs at November 19, 2009 04:36 PM (v/rEn)
Laugh while you can monkeyboy? Posted by: Unclefacts
Close enough for astrophysics ... Speaking of, you missed!
Posted by: Iskandar at November 19, 2009 04:36 PM (u1pln)
Posted by: Mahon at November 19, 2009 04:37 PM (hPOpf)
And yes he's a genuine fiscal conservative, unlike other so-called moderates.
If you take their money away, you stop them.
Posted by: mghorning at November 19, 2009 04:37 PM (pR+Xh)
Posted by: Max Power at November 19, 2009 04:38 PM (q177U)
Side note, Palin killed on O'Reilly. Tomorrow she will talk POLICY with him!
From the hints he dropped earlier in the week, she handled the policy well I am betting!
Posted by: Dan at November 19, 2009 04:39 PM (KZraB)
If he'd gone to those and faced the others, maybe his strengths would have won out and convinced the pro-lifers to accept him. But hiding in Florida was a blunder, and the camps were fixed in place by the time he even had a chance to open his mouth.
Posted by: Oldcat at November 19, 2009 04:40 PM (z1N6a)
Uh huh.
Posted by: Barbarian at November 19, 2009 04:41 PM (EL+OC)
Close enough for astrophysics ... Speaking of, you missed!
Posted by: Iskandar at November 19, 2009 08:36 PM (u1pln)
missed my ass, I was attempting an 8699 mile flyby.
Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Bacons, and Sometimes Meteors at November 19, 2009 04:41 PM (erIg9)
Blazer,
I wouldn't support him for President either, unless the choice was another four years of Teleprompter Jesus. Senator, on the other hand? No problem at all.
Like having a gun grabber as a New York Senator would be such a radical change from the current situation-at least he is not also a wallet sniffer.
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at November 19, 2009 04:41 PM (wgLRl)
Rudy is not some kind of hard core anti gun guy. His views were in the context of trying to clean up New York.
Posted by: Max Power at November 19, 2009 08:38 PM (q177U)
He needs to come out make the case and clarify that then and not be afraid of the pc implications, because babykiller and gunsnatcher ain't gonna get him elected on a GOP ticket. Its a poison pill.
Posted by: Blazer at November 19, 2009 04:41 PM (+FzLa)
He's quite vocal in his opinion. We don't need another anti-gun activist in the senate. I still say he's the consummate RINO.
I agree. I would rather have a anti-gun democrat, who's soft on terrorism, and for running up the national debt to unheard of numbers as senator, than Rudy.
Posted by: Purity Republican at November 19, 2009 04:42 PM (muUqs)
Posted by: Frank G at November 19, 2009 04:42 PM (I+To0)
Like having a gun grabber as a New York Senator would be such a radical change from the current situation-at least he is not also a wallet sniffer.
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at November 19, 2009 08:41 PM (wgLRl)
True, but I'd expect that from a liberal, the Constitution is a problematic paper for them. Accept that from a Republican, hell no. They are supposed to be champions of that article.
Posted by: Blazer at November 19, 2009 04:43 PM (+FzLa)
Posted by: Mystry at November 19, 2009 04:44 PM (kmgIE)
>>...but I am saying he's "unelectable...<<
Yeah, there's that. But, he still may run. I know that in the past, being pro-choice was a must for the GOP primaries. Isn't there a possibility that that may be overcome by the a strong economic plan under the current circumstances? "It's the economy, stupid." Remember that? And then there's the potential for KSM trial to blow up in everyone's face. Just a thought.
>>He'd do better as a presidential contender if he was a governer. Senators are generally big losers.<<
Senators don't have a good track record for winning POTUS. It's almost non-existent. Except in 2008, the race was really between McCain, Obama and Clinton. All senators.
Posted by: SlaveDog at November 19, 2009 04:45 PM (W+E+o)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at November 19, 2009 04:46 PM (wgLRl)
He should run for Governor.
The Senate ruins Republicans. Yeah, I know. Rudy is sorta 'ruined' anyway, but I'm gonna hate despising him when Giuliani drifts off into Gramnesty-Land.
Posted by: KingShamus at November 19, 2009 04:47 PM (8n1j5)
Hell, we'd better take our best shots at any Senate seat we can this time 'round. A statehouse or two is fine, but we can really rein in the Donks most if we can take every Senate seat we can.
Posted by: nickless at November 19, 2009 04:48 PM (MMC8r)
I can't believe this thread has gone this long without a Charles Gibbson joke.
Posted by: Max Power at November 19, 2009 04:48 PM (q177U)
Given how the GOP/NRSC/NRCC should be drumming every single Senate and Congressional Democrat from New York to publically call for the Obama-Holder Justice Department to reverse their decisions to send KSM and Co. for the Greatest Show on Earth in NYC, having a former US Attorney running for the Senate seat should be entertaining, to say the least, when it comes to national security.
Then again, the GOP should be linking every Democrat from New York on this issue, because this is one of the (very) few issues New York voters will punish elected Democrats on at the voting booth, at least enough to make them run for the tall grass.
But
Posted by: cxt217 at November 19, 2009 04:50 PM (iTmmC)
Not being of the Purity® bent, I have no problem with Rudy in the Senate. NYC was a shithole before he was mayor, and his cleaning up the city drove the leftist trash nuts. If he's nothing but the law and order senator, I'm fine with that.
Posted by: Dang Straights at November 19, 2009 04:50 PM (Bhz64)
Posted by: dr kill at November 19, 2009 04:53 PM (KXVFz)
Posted by: Reagan's stinking corpse at November 19, 2009 04:53 PM (RdKK8)
Speaking of RINOs who are feckless twats, what is that dear old fellow Lincoln effing Chaffee up to nowadays?
True story: After forty years, I found my biological father, which was nice, especially since he is a pretty good guy. Unfortunately, he is a union guy who is down the line Democrat, but he's not an ass about it. His brother, my uncle is a little further out there, though he is not that much of an ass about it either-more like one of those poor misinformed souls who just doesn't know any better. I think he owns too many cats, but what are you gonna do? Anyways, one of the first things he says to me on the day we met (and our respective political ideologies got into the discussion) was that "Lincoln Chaffee was a prince of a man, a real conservative."
Fucking Rhode Islanders. They make New York City look like upstate South Carolina politically.
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at November 19, 2009 04:54 PM (wgLRl)
One...he'd do a great job.
Two..him v. Andy Cuomo? Political junkie Nirvana!
Three...Pataki would be Gillibrand.
I wanted to pick up 2 of the seats, not just the one. Damn.
Also, I doubt he does it. This is a special election for the last 2 years of Hillary's term. Then he has to run again in '12. I don't see him wanting to do that.
Rudy for Governor...Keep Hope Alive!
Posted by: DrewM. at November 19, 2009 04:55 PM (FCWQb)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at November 19, 2009 04:56 PM (wgLRl)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at November 19, 2009 04:58 PM (wgLRl)
Posted by: dr kill at November 19, 2009 08:53 PM (KXVFz)
Freedom to be born, freedom to keep and bear arms. I support those.
Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at November 19, 2009 05:00 PM (dQdrY)
Because go Hulk over single issues is addictive, I guess.
Posted by: Iskandar at November 19, 2009 05:01 PM (u1pln)
I can't believe this thread has gone this long without a Charles Gibbson joke.
Never heard of him.
Posted by: Charlie Gib..WTF at November 19, 2009 05:01 PM (pR+Xh)
Posted by: Secret Asian Man at November 19, 2009 05:01 PM (QOE7k)
Posted by: Herr Blücher at November 19, 2009 05:03 PM (sz37A)
I just did a search for "rudy giuliani gun control". Most of the hits were about him as a Presidential candidate trying to crawfish away from his mayoral lawsuit to hold gun manufacturers liable for injuries.
That lawsuit is a heavy blackmark against someone with an R behind his name.
Sounds like a better NY Gov or Mayor than Senator to me.
Posted by: Huckleberry at November 19, 2009 05:03 PM (F71c5)
Have you ever actually met anyone from Rhode Island? Has anyone here. It's like Delaware. No one is from there. Except Biden.
I question whether those two states actually exist. Aren't they just made up?
Posted by: SlaveDog at November 19, 2009 05:04 PM (W+E+o)
Hmmmmm. Strike three.
Posted by: Barbarian at November 19, 2009 05:04 PM (EL+OC)
Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 19, 2009 05:04 PM (muUqs)
Posted by: toby928 at November 19, 2009 05:05 PM (PD1tk)
Single issue conservative voters make me weep. Who can possibly satisfy all the moronosphere's demands?
There's only one problem with that line of reasoning. The folks that weren't single issue conservative voters are also the ones who brought you John McCain, Susan Collins, Olympia Snowe and Lindsey Graham.
For the one issue they will have you cheering like its your favorite team in the Rosebowl, there will be three more that will make you cry.
It ain't worth it.
Posted by: Blazer at November 19, 2009 05:05 PM (+FzLa)
Posted by: flenser at November 19, 2009 05:06 PM (UfZdy)
I have heard of Terri Garr and support her nomination for a Saturday ONT post.
Oh, and I also heard Bluehen is an asshole.
Posted by: Charlie Gibson at November 19, 2009 05:06 PM (pR+Xh)
Posted by: dr kill at November 19, 2009 05:07 PM (KXVFz)
>>is little-known former Long Island Rep. Rick Lazio.
Did you forget..???
The rest of Mrs. Clinton's opponents (from Her Senatorial campaign) feared an attack on her ethics would backfire, allowing her to paint herself as a female victim. You can bet they've studied the video of Rick Lazio, Mrs. Clinton's 2000 Senate opponent, invading her debate space, and Mrs. Clinton's ensuing performance as flinching, defenseless woman. (Mr. Lazio sank like a rock.) She has suggested she's not above a repeat act, dispatching Bill to warn that "the boys" were being awfully "tough" on his wife.
Mr. Obama has come the closest to delving into Mrs. Clinton's past, though you need an Enigma machine to decode it. His campaign slogan was "Change We Can Believe In." (Translation: If you elect her, don't be surprised what she discovers in a box under a table.) He's mused about "character and judgment." (Translation: I don't trade in cattle futures.) Freudian psychology this is, Mortal Kombat it is not. Yet while the squeaky clean Mr. Obama[/sarc] may be best positioned to make a moral case against Mrs. Clinton, his own "politics of hope" has made it difficult to pull out the brass knuckles.
Posted by: sickinmass at November 19, 2009 05:09 PM (g7J39)
I was joking about being ignored, btw. Good senses of humor! :-)
Posted by: Thea at November 19, 2009 05:10 PM (/3dGX)
103, what is so wonderful about that comment? What, the legal-dope and open-borders crowd have a disdain for those socon squares?
What is so enlightening and new about that?
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at November 19, 2009 05:11 PM (wgLRl)
Laptop-battery screams except the hard drive connecting to universal wisdom without Albany wonderous snow.
Posted by: cosmic Rudy supporter at November 19, 2009 05:12 PM (Oxen1)
Posted by: OregonMuse at November 19, 2009 05:13 PM (hoowK)
What's so wrong about freedom to you people?
could you give us an (1 ) example where "we" talk down freedom?
Posted by: The Great Satan's Ghost at November 19, 2009 05:13 PM (Gn7VZ)
Scozzafava was a district and a liberal which consertatives could take advantage of. New York state is not.
Take Rudy
Posted by: mghorning at November 19, 2009 05:13 PM (pR+Xh)
Laptop-battery screams except the hard drive connecting to universal wisdom without Albany wonderous snow.
Posted by: cosmic Rudy supporter at November 19, 2009 09:12 PM (Oxen1)
Actually, whisky tree, flamingo biscuit.
Posted by: Charlie Gibson at November 19, 2009 05:13 PM (erIg9)
He'd be no worse than Lieberman, but any Dem who might run against him would be. It wouldn't be a total win, but it wouldn't be the total loss a Scozzafava-type D would be.
Posted by: nickless at November 19, 2009 05:14 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Peaches at November 19, 2009 05:14 PM (9Wv2j)
Pre- 911, Rudy ran NYC like an iron fist and was hated. Even called a Nazi. He walled in city hall and ordered a restored subway station under city hall closed to the public. It was used for movie shoots though, after. Governor yes.. Senator No.
Posted by: sickinmass at November 19, 2009 05:16 PM (g7J39)
As far as New York is concerned I think Rudy is as good as they can get, and they could do a whole lot worse, even on the GOP side.
How much worse you ask? How does Senator Bloomburg sound?
Posted by: Jim in San Diego at November 19, 2009 05:16 PM (H7Rlw)
And at least with respect to security and economics, he's strong.
Again, I'll take him over the Dem candidate any day.
Posted by: looking closely at November 19, 2009 05:17 PM (KNy97)
Posted by: muggedbyreality at November 19, 2009 05:23 PM (QY0u0)
Posted by: CoolCzech at November 19, 2009 05:25 PM (QECjC)
Rudy Giuliani in DC is a good thing.
He is the type of politician I like.
Perfect? no...
Crazy ex-wife? yes...
Crime stopper? yes...
Posted by: JavaJoe at November 19, 2009 05:27 PM (Am6n/)
Posted by: muggedbyreality at November 19, 2009 05:31 PM (QY0u0)
Laptop battery
in the snow under a pine
I need more lace wigs
Posted by: Grover Cleveland at November 19, 2009 05:32 PM (6yEzu)
Rudy might also serve as a kind of "anchor candidate for centrist, and center-right candidates in NY; 2010 might actually be a great time to flood the zone with so many non-Leftists that the MSM doesn't know where to run to attack.
Posted by: Mr. Ditherer-Paramus at November 19, 2009 05:33 PM (1Bc4s)
Whatever Ace eventually does to you, erg, you flatulent goon, you deserve it.
Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at November 19, 2009 05:33 PM (aC0uO)
Posted by: The Dread Pirate Neck Beard at November 19, 2009 05:33 PM (LiBqw)
Yeah, Bush and the gop congress got partial birth abortion banned. Within hours, it was tied up in court, and rendered useless.
A president does not have to be prolife to be good for conservatives. He just has to LOVE the constitution, which Giuliani does.
Posted by: Thea at November 19, 2009 05:34 PM (/3dGX)
I'm glad I'm not an R in NY.
I read a few more articles from my "rudy guiliani gun control" search and found that when he was mayor he told Clinton that the assault weapons ban wasn't strong enough.
So: Product liability lawsuits to bankrupt gun mfrs, and a strong AWB supporter.
Not sure I could swallow two turds that big but I guess I'd have to. Cut'em up in small pieces and blend them with chocolate ice cream I guess.
Posted by: Huckleberry at November 19, 2009 05:36 PM (F71c5)
Posted by: John Galt at November 19, 2009 05:37 PM (Ylv1H)
Hey, I love the Constitution, too! In fact I'm lovin' it right now, doggy-style. Gettin' it a little damp and smeggy, but hey, I'm lovin' it!
Posted by: Barack 'Marxist of Love' Obama at November 19, 2009 05:38 PM (aC0uO)
Romney has endorsed Lazio, which means I AM CONFLICTED.
The thing is, I suspect Rudy doesn't want to be in Albany; if NYC was state capital, he might be more interested.
Posted by: Mr. Ditherer-Paramus at November 19, 2009 05:38 PM (1Bc4s)
Here is the status of the debate. For pro-lifers the issue not negotiable. I am unpersuadable. If you give me a pro-choice candidate, I will tell you to piss up a rope. The best I'll do by you is not vote.
I will never in this lifetime vote for the pro-murder candidate. Get over it.
If that means I get kicked to the curb while the party moves left, I will be proud on not yeilding to evil. Is that clear? Move on.
Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at November 19, 2009 05:40 PM (dQdrY)
Yet, the liberals in New York hate Rudy with the white hot intensity of a thousand suns. I live in a neighborhood that I referred to in pre-Guiliani days as North Crackland. Now I can barely afford to live here. Before Rudy this place was on the verge of Road Warrior Lite. But the liberals here choose to forget that.
Posted by: muggedbyreality at November 19, 2009 05:40 PM (QY0u0)
Let's review:
-Pro-choice
-Anti-gun
-Supports AGW
-Pro-amnesty
Can someone let me know any conservative position Rudy actually supports?
Posted by: Barbarian at November 19, 2009 05:42 PM (EL+OC)
Posted by: nickless at November 19, 2009 05:42 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: logprof at November 19, 2009 05:43 PM (I3Udb)
Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 19, 2009 05:43 PM (muUqs)
Posted by: logprof at November 19, 2009 05:45 PM (I3Udb)
136: "the liberals in New York hate Rudy with the white hot intensity of a thousand suns"
Well at least I'd have that to help the chocolate ice cream in 130 go down.
Posted by: Huckleberry at November 19, 2009 05:45 PM (F71c5)
Posted by: Huckleberry at November 19, 2009 05:47 PM (F71c5)
Posted by: Sally Ann Cavanaugh at November 19, 2009 05:47 PM (FRErk)
Posted by: eman at November 19, 2009 05:47 PM (ieoN0)
Posted by: The Dread Pirate Neck Beard at November 19, 2009 05:47 PM (LiBqw)
Posted by: logprof at November 19, 2009 05:48 PM (I3Udb)
As a pillar of the community, I am against Rudy for mayor NYC. His tough on crime and fiscally conservative ways are definitely not good for business as far as I'm concerned.
His pal Plissken, thats another story.
Posted by: The Duke Of new york at November 19, 2009 05:49 PM (+FzLa)
Well, except for that pesky 2nd amendment . That one seems to trip up a lot of urban republicans and ,of course , urban democrats .
Wonder why that is ?
Personally I like Guiliani but Rudy works for the northeast ,and that's about it .
Posted by: awkward davies at November 19, 2009 05:51 PM (wb68R)
Posted by: nickless at November 19, 2009 05:53 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 19, 2009 05:53 PM (muUqs)
Please re-read my post slowly.
Hint: Operative word = forcing
Posted by: Barbarian at November 19, 2009 05:56 PM (EL+OC)
Posted by: logprof at November 19, 2009 05:56 PM (I3Udb)
"Rudy is not some kind of hard core anti gun guy. His views were in the context of trying to clean up New York."
You know, I could probably clean up New York too if I thought the rest of the Constitution was optional like Rudy does the 2nd Amendment.
Posted by: aggiebc at November 19, 2009 05:57 PM (xhPKT)
Posted by: Miss Marple at November 19, 2009 05:59 PM (UQado)
The one you quoted nimrod.
Posted by: Barbarian
What's the # fuckhead. I've read most of your posts today and you are a fucking idiot. You feeling me? What part of the country do you live in?
Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 19, 2009 06:04 PM (muUqs)
No need to go into a rage you festering fence sitting imbecile. The number is 97.
Posted by: Barbarian at November 19, 2009 06:08 PM (EL+OC)
Posted by: nickless at November 19, 2009 06:08 PM (MMC8r)
LOL
Posted by: Barbarian at November 19, 2009 06:10 PM (EL+OC)
Hmmmmm. Strike three.
Posted by: Barbarian
That's your brilliant post? Try getting an education, or maybe a keeper.
Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 19, 2009 06:17 PM (muUqs)
The brilliance was obviously lost on you.
So, after re-reading it slowly, you now agree Rudy supports AGW. I"m glad I could educate you (albeit with much difficulty)
Posted by: Barbarian at November 19, 2009 06:21 PM (EL+OC)
Good lord, I've been wasting my time trying to teach a profoundly retarded moderate. Just forget it and go back to whatever it is you do.
Posted by: Barbarian at November 19, 2009 06:36 PM (EL+OC)
I'm a moderate? Really? How the fuck would you know? And coal burning power plants produce CO2.
Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 19, 2009 06:39 PM (muUqs)
Oh, my god.
Fred Thompson.
Teh Fred!
Posted by: Cut 'n Run at November 19, 2009 06:50 PM (RdKK8)
Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 19, 2009 06:54 PM (muUqs)
Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 19, 2009 07:06 PM (muUqs)
Posted by: toby928 at November 19, 2009 07:07 PM (PD1tk)
Posted by: RTH615 at November 19, 2009 07:34 PM (J94wL)
Well that's just stupid. Lazio ran against Hillary in her first election and because of the media portraying him as a bad guy in one of the debates he might have beat her. As a congressman right wing talk radio loved the guy.
He might not be electable but the "little known" bit is just silly. He ran a statewide campaign as the Republican nominee....sheesh.
Posted by: Quilly Mammoth at November 19, 2009 07:52 PM (5PPi5)
As a fiscal/defense/Constitutional conservative - anarcho/capitalist/Libertarian I am fucked.
You may well be fucked. You are definitely confused if you think that anarcho/capitalist/libertarianism is compatible with Constitutional conservatism. Or with "defense" or fiscal sanity for that matter.
Posted by: flenser at November 19, 2009 07:58 PM (U4pGb)
Rudy is not some kind of hard core anti gun guy. His views were in the context of trying to clean up New York.
Sure, and Bloombergs the same way, just misunderstood by the wacky gun rights lobby.
Posted by: flenser at November 19, 2009 08:02 PM (U4pGb)
I don't buy the entire "giuliani is pro-choice" thing, either. He seems wishywashy enough
Wishywashy? As mayor he was on the radical left end of the abortion spectrum. He even strongly supported partial-birth abortion, which gives most Dems a pause.
Posted by: flenser at November 19, 2009 08:04 PM (U4pGb)
You won't get New Yawk voters to vote for anyone even moderately conservative, so you can get moderate Rudy or another Hillary.
If Christie can win in NJ, a moderate conservative can win in NY. It's important not to be mentally beaten before you even get to the primary season.
Posted by: flenser at November 19, 2009 08:14 PM (U4pGb)
Weak not just on the nebulous category of 'social issues', but core constitutional issues, whether guns, environmental issues, affirmative action, illegal immigration, etc. Additionally, I wouldn't be surprised if he was a moderate man made global warming believer and played ball on some version of cap and tax. On his supposed strength, defense issues, he's certainly not an apologist for America, but is nevertheless a complete amateur who's a loose canon. Good governor of New York, though, and tougher than most 'moderate' Republicans. Not a fawning type.
Posted by: MlR at November 19, 2009 09:01 PM (op9m5)
Posted by: curious at November 19, 2009 09:19 PM (p302b)
Posted by: curious at November 19, 2009 09:25 PM (p302b)
Posted by: LtE113(Mike in Chicago) at November 20, 2009 02:49 AM (3NFq/)
This is the same myopia with those who say 'Republicans can win IF they would just support gay marriage' yet in all blue states except Vermont Democrat voters voted AGAINST gay marriage.
Rudy lost the primary race because he never left the gate; not even NYers voted for him.
Ron Paul-'the pro-life doctor who delivered 4 thousand babies' had more supporters in NYC than did Rudy Guiliani.
Rudy was my top- pick unfortunately he remained stuck in the gate; he left no choice but McCain.
A little advice, NYC is a myopic and provencial place whose majority of residences have little or no relationship to reality outside the tiny islands; No politician from can win nationally not even PRO-CHOICE Hillary Clinton.
Posted by: syn at November 20, 2009 03:31 AM (ZjEOd)
The National Review has been in publication for 54 years yet they continue to make the claim that they are 'standing thwart history yelling stop'; considering how far to the extreme Left is Washington DC in 54 years the 'cult of WF Buckley' has not thwarted a damn thing.
One other truth beside death and taxes, because of the election of Barack Hussein Obama the time of Ivy-Inbred dominating all things political has come to an end.
The protected class of Ivy-Inbreds can wave their fancy degrees all they want however their value is worthless.
In a pragmatic world there is no room for Ivy-Inbred Utopianism.
Posted by: syn at November 20, 2009 03:44 AM (ZjEOd)
The next politician to run for President is going to have to be brutally honest with the American people and he/she is going to have to keep every single promise made during the campaign. Don't know whether the dems realize that normal people now view them as the party "that will say anything to get elected and then once elected will not keep a single promise". Don't think they have realized yet that Virginia and Jersey, where this little phrase was uttered everywhere, is as a result of this perception. The PR guy from the BO campaign on Hannity said yesterday that, when the republicans want to lower the taxes on the wealthy, then dems will keep their seats, because people view this as worse than what is going on now. He genuinely believed this.
What we are learning it that your average American has a piss poopr ideas of history, of the Constitution, of how the government works, or deosn't work and of ECONOMICS. If the PR guy for the administration can come out on Hannity and demonstrate his complete lack of understanding of economics and jobs creation and if the American people somehow think he is right, then we are in more of a mess than ever dreamed possible.
Posted by: curious at November 20, 2009 03:47 AM (p302b)
Posted by: curious at November 20, 2009 03:59 AM (p302b)
Libertarians, if you desire small government what good is legalizing pot if all that will happen is the establishment of yet another government bureaucracy to regulate marijuana?
Secondly, I do not want government interfering in your porn however I would point out as an experience observer that men who habitually watch porn are lousy at sex. Nothing worst than having the guy sweat all over you while he's humping away to visions porn dazzling in his head.
Lastly, your personal profit margin may be greater when dealing with dictators and shit however the real price paid is in the blood of men and women who are then forced to confront the rich tyrants with whom you do business.
Posted by: syn at November 20, 2009 04:06 AM (ZjEOd)
Libertarians, if you desire small government what good is legalizing pot if all that will happen is the establishment of yet another government bureaucracy to regulate marijuana?
Secondly, I do not want government interfering in your porn however I would point out as an experience observer that men who habitually watch porn are lousy at sex. Nothing worst than having the guy sweat all over you while he's humping away to visions porn dazzling in his head.
Lastly, your personal profit margin may be greater when dealing with dictators and shit however the real price paid is in the blood of men and women who are then forced to confront the rich tyrants with whom you do business.
Posted by: syn at November 20, 2009 08:06 AM (ZjEOd)
Pot: It is a question of personal liberty. Marijuana is less harmful, both to individuals and to society as a whole, than alcohol is, and that is not even a close call. Would I rather there not be a bureacracy to regulate the cultivation, sale and possession of marijuana? Of course, bt if the trade off is that cops can no longer arrest you for smoking a join I will take it. By the way, we had to amend the constitution to prohibit the sale and possession of alcohol. Can anyone explain why such an amendment was not necessary with respect to marijuana, a plant which grows in the wild in all 50 states? I am especially interested in the thoughts of anyone who demands fealty to the constitution as a pre-requisite for being considered a conservative.
Porn: I am glad you do not want the government to have the authority to take away porn. That is very libertarianish of you. As for your personal experience, you should check the browser history of your potential lovers. If you see bangbus or brazilian butt bangers, don't have sex with them. There has to be at least dozen guys in the US who don't view porn, so no problem there that I can see.
Foreign Tyrants - What the hell are you talking about?
Posted by: sean at November 20, 2009 06:42 AM (sHxOn)
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