November 21, 2009

Health Care Debate Underway In Senate...Landrieu Completes Sale.
— DrewM

Mary Landrieu just finished her speech announcing she will vote yes to begin the debate. She did address the 100 million bribe to vote yes. She wanted to correct the record on that. She did not sell her vote for $100 million in aid for Louisiana...it's was 300 million dollars.

This reminds me of the old joke often attributed to Winston Churchill...

Churchill: Madam, would you sleep with me for five million pounds?

Socialite: My goodness, Mr. Churchill... Well, I suppose... we would have to discuss terms, of course...

Churchill: Would you sleep with me for five pounds?

Socialite: Mr. Churchill, what kind of woman do you think I am?!

Churchill: Madam, we've already established that. Now we are haggling about the price.

Now 300 million dollars in the scope of the bill isn't much but Mary wants you to know she ain't that cheap.

Glad we got that cleared up.

This is what American democracy has come to, bribing voters with tax money in order to get them to pay more in taxes and give up freedom.

Come on guys, 233 years is a good run by any yardstick. Alas, all good things....

With Ben Nelson and Landrieu out of the picture, the only Democrat we haven't heard from is Blanche Lincoln but I can't imagine she's going to be the lone hold out. Plus there's always the possibility History will decide to give Olympia Snowe a call today. And when History calls....

The vote is scheduled for 8 tonight but that's likely to slip.

Posted by: DrewM at 09:17 AM | Comments (144)
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1 yep, she's a whore

Posted by: Frank G at November 21, 2009 09:20 AM (I+To0)

2 At least she let us know she's an upper class whore and not a bus stop skank.

Posted by: harold bonesaw at November 21, 2009 09:22 AM (QT6tW)

3 I knew the Louisiana Purchase would bite us in the ass sooner or later.

Posted by: Tami at November 21, 2009 09:22 AM (VuLos)

4 Lots of legs going up in the air in the Senate. A regular porno movie.

Posted by: joncelli at November 21, 2009 09:23 AM (Ko4Av)

5 Are we still at the vote-to-debate stage, or is 8PM the cloture vote?

Posted by: toby928: easily confused by these machinations at November 21, 2009 09:23 AM (PD1tk)

6 And the Jooooooooooooo Lieberman is a yea. Figures.

Posted by: Barbarian at November 21, 2009 09:24 AM (EL+OC)

7 vote to debate

Posted by: Lou at November 21, 2009 09:24 AM (LLOGQ)

8 Puts to rest the old myth about moderate Dems doesn't it.

She will try to ride the "i"m going to vote against the bill though" horse. I hope the voters of LA are not fooled by that ploy.

Posted by: Vic at November 21, 2009 09:25 AM (CDUiN)

9 The vote to open debate is a done deal.  Hopefully, the vote to close debate isn't.

Posted by: SlaveDog at November 21, 2009 09:25 AM (W+E+o)

10 Plenty of brain dead republicans they can buy if they run out of dems. 

Posted by: John Galt at November 21, 2009 09:26 AM (/bbhO)

11

they're all whores

where's the 'summon the meteors' guy?

 

mary landrieu with her skirt up around her armpits , getting pwned by harry reid

Louisianans must be so proud today...

Posted by: Jones at November 21, 2009 09:26 AM (KOkrW)

12 The only reason the Arkansas whore hasn't announced yet is she was waiting to see how much Landreui got so she can double it.

They're all whores.

Posted by: Vic at November 21, 2009 09:26 AM (CDUiN)

13 Why doesn't Brownbeck and Hatch call out the whore right now. On the Senate floor? Wimp asses.


Posted by: Barbarian at November 21, 2009 09:26 AM (EL+OC)

14 4 Lots of legs going up in the air in the Senate. A regular porno movie.

Except it's going to be the taxpayers that'll be screwed in the end.

Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at November 21, 2009 09:26 AM (otlXg)

15 Say, what's Bobby Jindal been up to lately?  Can't imagine he's happy hearing about how one of his state's senators blatantly admitted to taking a bribe to vote yes.

Posted by: Guy of Gisbourne at November 21, 2009 09:27 AM (+2NeJ)

16 A whore by any other name...

Posted by: katya at November 21, 2009 09:27 AM (68o4u)

17 When the whore from Arkansas signs on, the only fodder we will have today is speculating on which 9 Democrats get *cover* before the final vote. 

Posted by: sybilll at November 21, 2009 09:29 AM (8aFRX)

18 whore

Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Guinness, and Near Miss Meteors at November 21, 2009 09:29 AM (erIg9)

19 I'm going to laugh when all these whores get re-elected with no problem.

Posted by: gau at November 21, 2009 09:29 AM (n1uMU)

20 yeah also SUMMON THE METEORS

Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Guinness, and Near Miss Meteors at November 21, 2009 09:29 AM (erIg9)

21 The sad thing is the majority of folks who live in LA probably cheered this decision. What a disappointment that this kind of thing is just accepted out of hand.

Posted by: Trish at November 21, 2009 09:30 AM (0U5Kd)

22 Avenge me, boys.  Avenge Me!

Posted by: ethical governance at November 21, 2009 09:31 AM (PD1tk)

23

> I'm going to laugh when all these whores get re-elected with no problem.

that's because there's no shortage of whore-mongers

Posted by: Jones at November 21, 2009 09:31 AM (KOkrW)

24
Not so much a whore, as someone who is willing to participate in the gang-rape of the taxpayers for the right price.

Posted by: Dang Straights at November 21, 2009 09:32 AM (djkiW)

25
If Harry gets the votes for debate, he'll move fast for the actual vote with nuke option..

Posted by: YIKES! at November 21, 2009 09:33 AM (LswIE)

26 10 Plenty of brain dead republicans they can buy if they run out of dems.

Hey, when history calls, ya gotta answer the phone!

Posted by: Olympia Snowe at November 21, 2009 09:33 AM (F+U5/)

27

Landrieu completed her sale today, hurry up and complete yours too!!

Buy my laptop battery!

Posted by: Laptop battery guy at November 21, 2009 09:33 AM (SqAkN)

28 The no-fight reflublicans are every bit as complicit.

Posted by: 48%er at November 21, 2009 09:34 AM (QOE7k)

29 So does that mean Sheets Byrd is physically able to make it to the Senate?  I thought he was on his deathbed or something.

Posted by: chemjeff at November 21, 2009 09:34 AM (F+U5/)

30 Please stop buying our debt China.

Posted by: gau at November 21, 2009 09:34 AM (n1uMU)

31 Fuckwad douchers, she gets paid but we have to take the money shot to the face.

Posted by: mbruce at November 21, 2009 09:34 AM (t/GDA)

32 Hear me now!

Posted by: Robert Byrd at November 21, 2009 09:36 AM (W+E+o)

33 8 Puts to rest the old myth about moderate Dems doesn't it.

Posted by: Vic at November 21, 2009 01:25 PM (CDUiN)

"Blue dogs" were never anything but blue dogshit, from the start. No one who allies with such America-haters as the dems can ever be trusted.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at November 21, 2009 09:36 AM (A46hP)

34

>A whore by any other name...

 

brass, call girl, cocotte, courtesan, demimondaine, demirep   fallen woman, fille de joie, harlot, landrieu, hooker, hustler,   lady of the night, loose woman, prostitute, scrubber,  slag,  streetwalker, strumpet, tart   trollop, woman of easy virtue, woman of ill repute, working girl, congressman

 

Posted by: Jones at November 21, 2009 09:36 AM (KOkrW)

35 The no-fight reflublicans are every bit as complicit.

Hatch is irritating me greatly.

Posted by: Barbarian at November 21, 2009 09:36 AM (EL+OC)

36

Right now Pelosi, Obama, and Harry Reid are stripping me naked and propping me up on a pinball machine.

Posted by: The American Taxpayer at November 21, 2009 09:37 AM (SqAkN)

37
what's that? You want us to attack Landrieu for selling out her constituents?

Nah, it wouldn't be prudent. Landrieu is a woman and we need to reach out to women to grow our tent. And Louisiana has a lot of black folk, and we wouldn't want to make waves in Louisiana...it'll only remind them of how badly the Bush and the Republicans screwed up after Katrina.

So we're just gonna let this go, for, you know, the Big Tent's sake.

Posted by: the RNC at November 21, 2009 09:37 AM (jVldi)

38 When the whore from Arkansas signs on, the only fodder we will have today is speculating on which 9 Democrats get *cover* before the final vote.

The ME sisters will vote to end cloture allowing at least two Dems to switch for cover.

Posted by: Vic at November 21, 2009 09:37 AM (CDUiN)

Posted by: Robert Byrd at November 21, 2009 09:37 AM (W+E+o)

40 The no-fight reflublicans are every bit as complicit.

Yeah the national GOP politicians don't care if they are the minority party.  They have their jobs for life.  .  Plus, Obama is just great for fund raising with us bitter-clingers.  Its a win-win.

Posted by: gau at November 21, 2009 09:38 AM (n1uMU)

41 I'm just wondering if all the "Male" taxpayers get a little of this action too?  Where does the line start?  How much time is given to each "john"?  Is the Pimp...(shit stains Harry) in charge of this Fed Shag Fest?  Just wondering?

Posted by: Sparky at November 21, 2009 09:38 AM (mXY2a)

42 So does that mean Sheets Byrd is physically able to make it to the Senate?  I thought he was on his deathbed or something.

Posted by: chemjeff at November 21, 2009 01:34 PM (F+U5/)

 

Byrd will be wheeled onto the Senate floor on one of those Hannibal Lecter upright gurneys, tubes and wires protruding from his body, various bodily waste collection bags attached; he will blink his eyes once for 'yea', twice for 'nay'

Posted by: Jones at November 21, 2009 09:40 AM (KOkrW)

43 Barbaric!

Hey, watch it.

Posted by: Barbarian at November 21, 2009 09:40 AM (EL+OC)

44 Wow this bitch is dirty, even I wouldn't perform this sex act on camera.

Posted by: Jenna Jameson at November 21, 2009 09:41 AM (SqAkN)

45 So does that mean Sheets Byrd is physically able to make it to the Senate?  I thought he was on his deathbed or something.

Posted by: chemjeff at November 21, 2009 01:34 PM (F+U5/)





What, you don't think Reid would wheel ol' sheets right into the chamber hooked up to life support so he could vote?

Posted by: Blazer at November 21, 2009 09:42 AM (+FzLa)

46 $300 mil or not, I say Landrieu was always going to cave on this one. It's another gutless "present" that will allow her to say "I was willing to discuss it!" no matter what she thinks of the bill itself or how she votes in the end.

She's not up for re-election until 2014, by the way. Thank you, Louisiana.

Posted by: arhooley at November 21, 2009 09:43 AM (GKXA7)

47 @42


damn, Jones beat me to it.

Posted by: Blazer at November 21, 2009 09:43 AM (+FzLa)

48 Has the whore figured out what she's going to do when the state runs thru that $300 million?

Once Reid has the bill passed, her ass will be worth ZERO.

Posted by: GarandFan at November 21, 2009 09:43 AM (ZQBnQ)

49

OMG she is not even using lube! Jesus Christ this chick can take it like a champ!

Posted by: Tera Patrick at November 21, 2009 09:44 AM (SqAkN)

50 Coming soon to an XXX Theater Near You:

"Lucky Louisiana Landrieu"

It's the heartwarming tale of a plump yet flirtatious lass whose two biggest dreams come true: a desire for federal bribe money and hot, sweaty sex. 

Posted by: chemjeff at November 21, 2009 09:44 AM (F+U5/)

51
If I remember right, Landrieu just barely won in 2004, edging out that dark haired chick.


Posted by: goforitbillbelichik at November 21, 2009 09:44 AM (jVldi)

52 You're all too tough on Landrieu. She doesn't give it away to just ANYONE - they have to say she's pretty first.

Posted by: Dr Mabuse at November 21, 2009 09:45 AM (AVYqB)

53
I wonder if Landrieu is French for feckless scrunt.

Posted by: Blazer at November 21, 2009 09:45 AM (+FzLa)

54 Byrd will be wheeled onto the Senate floor on one of those Hannibal Lecter upright gurneys, tubes and wires protruding from his body, various bodily waste collection bags attached; he will blink his eyes once for 'yea', twice for 'nay'

LOL so I guess that means they stop counting after the first blink

Posted by: chemjeff at November 21, 2009 09:46 AM (F+U5/)

55

so is today bring your whore to congress day? or is it just say "whore" at the AoSHQ day?

either way I'm in: whores all of them. the entire worthless lot

Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 21, 2009 09:46 AM (pLTLS)

56 Has the whore figured out what she's going to do when the state runs thru that $300 million?
-----------------------------------
Simple, promise them another $300 mil. Now hand over your wallet, bitch.

Posted by: arhooley at November 21, 2009 09:46 AM (GKXA7)

57
Oh, and remember when Landrieu threatened to punch out the president and everyone thought it was sooo cute because Mary looked like a wittle Shirley Temple and she had the wittle pouty-face on her fat puss?

Yeah. If a Republican said that about Clinton s/he'd be brought on the Senate floor for censure.


Posted by: goforitbillbelichik at November 21, 2009 09:47 AM (jVldi)

58 So, Mary sold out to those Medicaid recipients who will vote Democrat without fail, yet she ignored the entire Red block that pays attention......to ya know, stuff. 

Posted by: sybilll at November 21, 2009 09:47 AM (8aFRX)

59 OMG if I had known you could make this much money as a Senator I would have chosen a different career path.

Posted by: Jenna Haze at November 21, 2009 09:48 AM (SqAkN)

60 LOL so I guess that means they stop counting after the first blink
Posted by: chemjeff
-------------------------
Either that or they'll go ACORN and count every blink as a Yes-vote. We'll have the first-ever Senate vote in which the number of votes cast exceeds the number of members.

Posted by: arhooley at November 21, 2009 09:49 AM (GKXA7)

61

Somebody should drive Landrieu down to Tijuana and set her up with a donkey. The girl can't get enough.

Posted by: Blazer at November 21, 2009 09:49 AM (+FzLa)

62 While they are spending precious vacation time on the Hill, they may as well pass amnesty and cap and trade and save us all those countless emails and faxes, etc.  I for one will be glad to never talk to another snotty commie staffer.

I hope Liz Cheney writes another children's book about how America used to be in the days of yore...

From now on it will be and ACORN/SEIU world....

Posted by: non_dhimmie at November 21, 2009 09:49 AM (cFwGO)

63 I'd hit it.

Posted by: Robert Byrd at November 21, 2009 09:49 AM (W+E+o)

64
By the way, if we've lost Landrieu, we've lost Baucus.

Baucus has no balls.

Posted by: goforitbillbelichik at November 21, 2009 09:50 AM (jVldi)

65 I hope Liz Cheney writes another children's book about how America used to be in the days of yore...
----------------------
For the record, that was Lynn (his wife), not Liz, his daughter.

Posted by: arhooley at November 21, 2009 09:51 AM (GKXA7)

66 I am now announcing my run for Senate in LA. I will perform this and many other acts for far cheaper and on camera. Vote for me, at least I am an honest whore.

Posted by: Stormy Daniels at November 21, 2009 09:51 AM (SqAkN)

67
So, any guesses who the ONE Republican senator will be who votes for this?

There will be one. Just one, though.

And I think it will be...


...






Voinovich from Ohio.

Posted by: goforitbillbelichik at November 21, 2009 09:51 AM (jVldi)

68 Costa Rica ranks first in the Happy Planet Index

Posted by: Barbarian at November 21, 2009 09:52 AM (EL+OC)

69

Landrieu can take on a Congressman and a Senator at the same time

a legislative DP

Posted by: Jones at November 21, 2009 09:52 AM (KOkrW)

70 Note their names....every last one of them.  They have sold  this country, and us, into slavery and their names should go down in history as traitors.

Posted by: J at November 21, 2009 09:53 AM (T3/qP)

71

>So, any guesses who the ONE Republican senator will be who votes for this?

your query presumes ONLY ONE republican senator will so vote!

 

prepare to be boar-hogged!!!

Posted by: Jones at November 21, 2009 09:53 AM (KOkrW)

72
Flaming syringe stethoscope?


Posted by: goforitbillbelichik at November 21, 2009 09:54 AM (jVldi)

73 Anagrams for Mary Landrieu:

Dairyman Lure
Dreamy Urinal
Aridly Manure
Radium Nearly
A Urinary Meld
My Lurid Arena
Anal Rider, Yum!
Army Relaid Nu
Read My Urinal
Randy Emu Liar

Posted by: chemjeff at November 21, 2009 09:54 AM (F+U5/)

74

Landrieu doesn't even flinch when I put it in. I swear I saw her yawn the first time I did.

Posted by: Lexington Steele at November 21, 2009 09:54 AM (SqAkN)

75 Perhaps LA should have to raise their taxes to pay for Landrieu's prostitution for 300 million.  It's only fair.

Posted by: CDR M at November 21, 2009 09:54 AM (cvmTR)

76
Annnnnnnnd Action !

Posted by: Porn Director on the Senate floor at November 21, 2009 09:54 AM (+FzLa)

77 71 Costa Rica ranks first in the Happy Planet Index

Posted by: Barbarian at November 21, 2009 01:52 PM (EL+OC)

You're not the Barbarian I thought I knew.

Posted by: Robert Byrd at November 21, 2009 09:54 AM (W+E+o)

78 A life of crime is starting to look more and more attractive.

Posted by: Barbarian at November 21, 2009 09:55 AM (EL+OC)

79

You ever slept with a girl that made you feel small? Mary Landrieu is the one that does that for me.

Posted by: Mandingo at November 21, 2009 09:55 AM (SqAkN)

80 chemjeff that is some funny shit right there

Posted by: Jones at November 21, 2009 09:56 AM (KOkrW)

81 Who's next.

Posted by: Senate Floor Fluffer at November 21, 2009 09:56 AM (W+E+o)

82 Wow. That Landrieu is some skank.

Posted by: Nina Hartley at November 21, 2009 09:56 AM (hoowK)

83
Yep, there's gonna be one Republican "maverick" who either a) wants to stick it to the GOP as a parting gift, or b) got invited to ride on Air Force One with President Magical Government.

Posted by: goforitbillbelichik at November 21, 2009 09:56 AM (jVldi)

84 I hope Harry used a rubber.

Posted by: Peter North at November 21, 2009 09:56 AM (SqAkN)

85 Yeah, the usual Republicans will vote yes with the standard bullshit excuse "it's just to open debate, gosh golly gee we have to do something". My hatred for the "we have to do something" brand of politics knows no bounds.

Posted by: koopy at November 21, 2009 09:58 AM (XllG0)

Posted by: Iskandar at November 21, 2009 09:58 AM (u1pln)

87 84 Who's next.

Posted by: Senate Floor Fluffer at November 21, 2009 01:56 PM (W+E+o)

Can you work overtime?

Posted by: Robert "Sheets" Byrd at November 21, 2009 09:58 AM (F+U5/)

88

Jindal should invoke the tenth. Doubt the fed would send Mary her whore money if that happened.

Posted by: Blazer at November 21, 2009 09:58 AM (+FzLa)

89 Obama must think that Landrieu has a real purty mouth...

Posted by: OregonMuse at November 21, 2009 09:59 AM (hoowK)

90 omg franken

Posted by: trailortrash at November 21, 2009 10:00 AM (2Z+7j)

91 That Mary Landrieu is no lady!

Posted by: Annie Sprinkle at November 21, 2009 10:00 AM (KOkrW)

92

I look back fondly on my time working with Mary Landrieu. She was an utmost proffessional at all times and always willing to put in an extra shift if needed. I really enjoyed working with her but have to say Harry Reid over payed. When I knew her she would have done this for 2 pesos.

Posted by: El Diablo, the well hung Donkey from Tiajuana at November 21, 2009 10:01 AM (SqAkN)

93
I see there is another Happy Hooker up in Washington.

Posted by: Xaviera Hollander at November 21, 2009 10:04 AM (+FzLa)

94 Redstate says Lincoln is in. That brings them to 60.

Posted by: Shooter McGavin at November 21, 2009 10:04 AM (cxGtL)

95

Mary Landrieu?

Thank you, no, sir. Standards, and what not, eh?

Posted by: Jack The Ripper at November 21, 2009 10:06 AM (KOkrW)

96 Redstate says Lincoln is in. That brings them to 60.

Posted by: Shooter McGavin at November 21, 2009 02:04 PM (cxGtL)





Time to get drunk. Looks like we're gonna get this thing forced down out throats after all. Bastards.

Posted by: Blazer at November 21, 2009 10:06 AM (+FzLa)

97 Do you know anything about chocolate?  How do you make chocolate?  You take dark chocolate, you mix it with 300 million dollars and it becomes a delicious drink.

Posted by: Ray Nagin at November 21, 2009 10:07 AM (W+E+o)

98

Mary Landrieu?

 

I'd hit it.

Posted by: Rin Tin Tin at November 21, 2009 10:07 AM (3IZGh)

99 It's times like this when I wish Todd Beemer had just kept reading his in-flight magazine.

Posted by: obama is a traitor at November 21, 2009 10:08 AM (Qt4Y7)

100 Man, I would hate to be in the SS today.  They have got to be sweatin' the rising anger in the country that is being directed at politicians.  I have a feeling that it's only a matter of time before someone finds their inner Hasan and acts out.  I wonder if the MSM would call that a tragedy or an act of terrorism?  My money would be that the MSM would call it an act of terrorism.

Posted by: Capt Obvious at November 21, 2009 10:08 AM (cvmTR)

101 @102 - Millions keep reading their in-flight mags - which is why we have the Zero in the WH.

Posted by: fishy comments at November 21, 2009 10:10 AM (IZzW/)

102 But you can't kiss me.

Posted by: Mary Landrieu at November 21, 2009 10:10 AM (W+E+o)

103 RedState is saying Lincoln is in, but, it is a link to Landrieu.  I have pointed out the error, but, no update yet. 

Posted by: sybilll at November 21, 2009 10:17 AM (8aFRX)

104 Until the Federal Government's ability to dole out hundreds thousands hundreds of thousands millions hundreds of millions billions hundreds of billions trillions of dollars is seriously curtailed, this will continue to be the norm.   I also read that anyone who would vote for her in LA would not be swayed by this because they already would have been in her camp.  So, she becomes the symbol for everything wrong with DC and puts herself squarely on the endangered senators list when reelection comes. 

Posted by: The Hammer at November 21, 2009 10:17 AM (YBTwf)

105 So Lieberman is voting yes for debate?

Posted by: dan-O at November 21, 2009 10:21 AM (NuUKd)

106 106 RedState is saying Lincoln is in, but, it is a link to Landrieu.  I have pointed out the error, but, no update yet.

Ah, perhaps a Redstate mistake, for now. No one else is reporting Lincoln's decision so I think she's still keeping us in the dark.

Posted by: Shooter McGavin at November 21, 2009 10:21 AM (cxGtL)

107 No one else is reporting Lincoln's decision so I think she's still keeping us in the dark.

That's because she's still "negotiating" some "last-minute changes".

Posted by: chemjeff at November 21, 2009 10:23 AM (F+U5/)

108
Woo-wee, lemme tell ya', yo' mama sure does care about your healthcare boy !

Posted by: Forrest Gump's principle at November 21, 2009 10:25 AM (+FzLa)

109 The Corner reports that Lincoln's going to be speaking on the Senate floor soon.

Posted by: chemjeff at November 21, 2009 10:25 AM (F+U5/)

110 And all it took was our taxpayer dollars.  We've lost the country and we helped by paying the bribe.  Bee-yoo-tiful.

Posted by: Twinks at November 21, 2009 10:26 AM (LeFbD)

111 Anyone watching?  I lost audio, and Lincoln is speaking. 

Posted by: sybilll at November 21, 2009 10:26 AM (8aFRX)

112 Yeah, she's speaking. She saying how she's determined to do the right thing and how no bill is perfect, there's no easy fix. All should have access to healthcare but doesn't support a public plan to compete with private insurers but change the rules for companies for competition. Says she wants the debate.

Posted by: Shannon at November 21, 2009 10:31 AM (niZOC)

113 Says she wants the debate.

Then it really is over.  The rest is a formality.

I'm going to get drunk tonight.

Posted by: chemjeff at November 21, 2009 10:32 AM (F+U5/)

114 If they're going to shove this down our throats, why don't they just do it already? I swear, my stomach lining feels thinner all-the-time.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at November 21, 2009 10:34 AM (ppFId)

115 Abraham Lincoln - ends slavery

Blanche Lincoln - enslaves the taxpayers

Posted by: chemjeff at November 21, 2009 10:34 AM (F+U5/)

116
Abraham Lincoln - saves the republic from dissolution

Blanche Lincoln - hastens the end of the republic

Posted by: chemjeff at November 21, 2009 10:35 AM (F+U5/)

117 115 Yeah, she's speaking. She saying how she's determined to do the right thing and how no bill is perfect, there's no easy fix. All should have access to healthcare but doesn't support a public plan to compete with private insurers but change the rules for companies for competition.

Says she wants the debate.

And of course when the final bill is up for a vote in the Senate with the public option, she'll vote for it and say "we had to do something". Fuck. Them. All.

Posted by: koopy at November 21, 2009 10:36 AM (XllG0)

118 And of course when the final bill is up for a vote in the Senate with the public option, she'll vote for it and say "we had to do something". Fuck. Them. All.

Naww, it will get even better than that.  She'll vote yes, then before election day she'll get appointed to some Cabinet position or some bullshit czar job.  She'll have a guaranteed sinecure and she won't have to face the wrath of the voters.

Posted by: chemjeff at November 21, 2009 10:41 AM (F+U5/)

119 Who knew?  All you have to do to get bills passed is to bribe elected officials with tax payer money all under the guise of earmarks and stipulations in bills.  That's why all of this shit that is now handled at the Federal level needs to go back to individual states to manage.  Way too much of what used to be handled at the state level is now at the Federal level.  I would pretty much argue that we should no longer have states since they cannot exist without federal money.  Congress should not be funding anything not enumerated in the Constitution.

Posted by: Capt Pissed Off at November 21, 2009 10:43 AM (cvmTR)

120 Did someone say earlier that Lieberman is a yes now?

Posted by: CDR M at November 21, 2009 10:44 AM (cvmTR)

121 Been posted before but.... 230  years was a good run.  Get ready for martial law and suspension of constitution (as if we weren't there already) and for Obama to be the new Hitler of America.  I hope they have internment camps in San Diego at least the weather is good there.

Posted by: Friarbones at November 21, 2009 10:46 AM (ewWUF)

122 I hope they have internment camps in San Diego at least the weather is good there.

Posted by: Friarbones at November 21, 2009 02:46 PM (ewWUF)

I hope you learn to enjoy the taste of frozen tundra.

Posted by: Editor at November 21, 2009 10:48 AM (YX6i/)

123 Lieberman is a yes.  Now, the only formality is deciding which 9 Democrats get *cover* and get to vote no on the final bill. 

Posted by: sybilll at November 21, 2009 10:49 AM (8aFRX)

Posted by: obama is a traitor at November 21, 2009 10:52 AM (Qt4Y7)

125 I've lived in the frozen tundra why do you think I want to go to SD?

Posted by: Friarbones at November 21, 2009 10:52 AM (ewWUF)

126 Agreed, koopy. The way she spoke she's solidly with healthcare for all but no public option. Said she's fully aware voters will hold her accountable, so it seems she's chosen this hill to die on or is trying to secure favor as chemjeff noted. Her tone was one of martyr/hero.

Posted by: Shannon at November 21, 2009 10:52 AM (niZOC)

127 Tweet from Sarah Palin: "Not sure I can convince Sen. Lincoln to vote no - but will do everything in my pwr to convince my friends in Arkansas to vote against her."

Posted by: obama is a traitor at November 21, 2009 10:55 AM (Qt4Y7)

128 124 Been posted before but.... 230  years was a good run.  Get ready for martial law and suspension of constitution (as if we weren't there already) and for Obama to be the new Hitler of America.

Am I wrong to think that if he attempted this, our military would step in and remove him?

Posted by: obama is a traitor at November 21, 2009 10:59 AM (Qt4Y7)

129 Am I wrong to think that if he attempted this, our military would step in and remove him?

Posted by: obama is a traitor at November 21, 2009 02:59 PM (Qt4Y7)

Sadly, you are wrong. I don't see any evidence that this military would do anything to oppose the Traitor-in-Chief. They've been happy to cowtow to him up to now (with no resignations over his idiocy and stupidity) and that is with the Indonesian imbecile hanging them out to dry and bad-mouthing them at every opportunity. All branches of this feral government will fall into lockstep, as they are right now.

The only solution that will be left available will be secession. The question is whether there is enough sense and courage left for that.

If not, then we will all ride into monetary oblivion and the dictatorship (and chaos and poverty) that will necessarily arise from that national bankruptcy.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at November 21, 2009 11:12 AM (A46hP)

130 For all the fuss about "Blue Dogs", they certainly seem to end up toeing the party line at the end of the day.

My only hope is that they pay dearly for it next year.

Posted by: Techie at November 21, 2009 11:23 AM (cxW4X)

131 The only solution that will be left available will be secession. Posted by: progressoverpeace

Sorry, there's a few other things that are available. Impeachment and removal from office comes to mind. The propensity to bring up this secession stuff makes us look less than serious. It's one thing to say things are bad but it's obtuse to claim that they are as bad as they can get. Shit could be a lot worse and you know it.

Posted by: Iskandar at November 21, 2009 11:42 AM (u1pln)

132
I completely understand the despair by many who feel helpless in this onslaught from our elected Congress.   However, there is something we as citizens can do that will disrupt the the legal system bringing chaos to the system and high lighting our displeasure with the direction of the country.

We should volunteer for both state and Federal jury duty, taking great effort to ensure we are selected without tipping our hand to the desired outcome.

This measure would be particularly effective on fraud and tax evasion cases, but other crimes should also be considered.  To disrupt the system will require persuasive discussion with other jurors, with the ultimate outcome to be jury nullification. 

Finding a citizen indicted for tax evasion not guilty of the crime and announcing to the media why he was not found guilty would be a devastating blow to the elites.  This method won't work with a small number of cases, but if it spreads as a method of calling attention to the scumbaggery of Congress, it may well be worth the effort.

If the creepoids in Congress can disrupt our lives with excessive taxation, poor medical care, and increased government control over every aspect of our lives, we can give them a dose of their own medicine.  Fuck Congress. 

Posted by: Fish at November 21, 2009 11:54 AM (6mfq0)

133 Landrieu may be the whore, but we're all getting screwed.

I'm about ready to light this torch and grab my pitchfork!

Posted by: MCPO Airdale at November 21, 2009 12:14 PM (UGAk/)

134 Sorry, there's a few other things that are available. Impeachment and removal from office comes to mind.

Those will never happen. The chances of impeachment, even if Congress swung wildly to the right in 2010, are remote, at best. Secession is more likely than impeachment.

There is also the possibility of having The PRecedent thrown out for being Constitutionally ineligible, but that, too, is never going to happen. We don't have an independent judiciary and so few judges and justices with any courage or integrity that this possibility, too, is more unlikely than secession.

The propensity to bring up this secession stuff makes us look less than serious. It's one thing to say things are bad but it's obtuse to claim that they are as bad as they can get. Shit could be a lot worse and you know it.

Posted by: Iskandar at November 21, 2009 03:42 PM (u1pln)

Of course things could be worse ... and they will be. Look, secession is probably going to be a non-issue, as the federal government will dissolve with the dollar.

Secession is not wild speculation. Nations have been cracking around the world for a while, now, and to think that it can't come to us is unrealistic, especially as we have supported much of the national rearranging. The point is whether people think it important to preserve the American creed (which is being killed in the US, right now). If they want that creed and life to survive then there will be no choice but secession, as the US is clearly not in a position to right itself.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at November 21, 2009 01:29 PM (A46hP)

135 Secession is not wild speculation. Posted by: progressoverpeace

Well, we going to have to agree to disagree then because the US has been in worse situations and yet no secession resulted.

How is secession talk not akin to the sweaty, walleyed DailyKos kids insistence that Bush was going to invoke martial law before the last election, declare himself President for life, and imprison every Leftie?

Answer: it isn't.

Posted by: Iskandar at November 21, 2009 02:04 PM (u1pln)

136 Well, we going to have to agree to disagree then because the US has been in worse situations and yet no secession resulted.

Nothing wrong with agreeing to disagree, but the US has not been in a worse situation, monetarily-speaking, and it has not been in a worse way in that we have an actual America-hater in the White House - with a bunch of useful idiot, lunatic lefties in total control of the Hill and the social hammer of white-guilt being wielded without hesitation, with a debt rising this rapidly while private sector growth is being squelched, and a huge mass of people set to be legalized who are not American, in the least, have no allegiance to, nor respect for, our nation. The US has not seen anything like these circumstances before, with the monetary precipice we now stand over being the most threatening of all.

Add to that the power grab by the feral government into the states that states have already started talking about - as with Arizona Prop 101 in 2008, that only lost by 0.4%, specifically disallowing the federal government to dictate health insurance mandates and specific choices to the state's citizens. The federal government has gone feral and the Constitution has been rendered totally null and void. The states are free to do whatever they want, and some will see that anything attached to this feral government is going to be dragged down with it.

If the power grabs don't do it and if the threat of monetary collapse doesn't do it then the actual monetary collapse will make it utterly imperative to separate from a disintegrating feral government.

How is secession talk not akin to the sweaty, walleyed DailyKos kids insistence that Bush was going to invoke martial law before the last election, declare himself President for life, and imprison every Leftie? Answer: it isn't.

Posted by: Iskandar at November 21, 2009 06:04 PM (u1pln)

That's not fair. Tell me how my talk about secession, and what will cause it, is in any way related to whatever the Kossacks were talking about. What mechanisms and reasons were they giving? How likely were they?

Look, the left can't even tell the difference between national security and domestic social policy, at the federal level. They rolled out old draft-army arguments against Iraq (after Saddam was yanked from that spider hole and they felt safe enough, again, to start back in on their America-hating rhetoric) when we don't have a draft army anymore. They rolled out old "torture for confession" arguments to argue against enhanced interrogations, when we apply pressure for verifiable and actionable information, not confessions. The left can never get their ideas straight. They just babble incoherently.

P.S. You know that we did come close to martial law in Sept/Oct 2008. Monetary catastrophes require that sort of thing, usually. But that was not what the Kossacks were thinking about.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at November 21, 2009 03:01 PM (A46hP)

137 Landrieu--most expensive whore in history--NO conservative, or patriot of ANY stripe, should even THINK of spending any of their hard-earned (and so far after-tax dollars) in Louisiana--they now will get enough of our money, they don't need our tourist  dollars!!

Posted by: Dinkum at November 21, 2009 03:43 PM (raqqC)

138 The 535 members of the incumbent aristocracy on the Hill have made their decisions.

In the near future, we will have to make ours.

Posted by: SGT Dan at November 21, 2009 04:20 PM (ZP+gj)

139 That's not fair. Tell me how my talk about secession, and what will cause it, is in any way related to whatever the Kossacks were talking about.

Perhaps but this talk is unserious. There are so many steps that we'd have to go through before any talk of secession would make sense. It doesn't now and any claims that it does ignores our current situation in favor of some feverish romance of distopia and rebellion.

The KosKids love this mode because it matches their perpetual malcontent. Let's leave the vain cynicism to them, and work on the steps to solve the problems before us now, not the ones that lay in a more disastrous future that isn't close to being certain.

And, no, there was no call for martial law in 2008. That begs our credulity.

Posted by: Iskandar at November 21, 2009 04:27 PM (u1pln)

140 And, no, there was no call for martial law in 2008. That begs our credulity.

Posted by: Iskandar at November 21, 2009 08:27 PM (u1pln)

There were discussions of it. That was part of what got TARP pushed through. And, if the dollar had actually dissolved (a la Iceland), martial law would have likely been required. Many people understood that, which is why the Presidential race became that much more critical, because we saw the power that was going to be in the federal government's hands.

Tell me, do you believe that we will not revisit Sept 2008?

I'm also a bit puzzled at how you can see what the EU and European governments are doing to their nations (the familiar legislative sleight-of-hand in openly forcing the EU Constitution upon a reluctant public), understand that we have Euro-loving lunatics in total control of our federal government - and those are the best of them, the useful idiots - and not get a clear picture that the concept of secession is well within the bounds of the sorts of adaptations of nationhood that are currently occuring in the Western world.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at November 21, 2009 05:05 PM (A46hP)

141 One possibility to kill this whole damn thing is this: Since these douche bags won't listen to us they may however listen to their bankers ala China.  China has GRAVE concerns over out spending and they know that this health care mess with destroy this economy thus their investments going down the toilet.  Wouldn't if be ironic if the commies call up ol Barry and tell him that if we pass this then no more buying our debt.  That may stop the process, money talks just ask that whore from Louisiana.

Posted by: Friarbones at November 21, 2009 06:50 PM (ewWUF)

142 There were discussions of it. That was part of what got TARP pushed through. Posted by: progressoverpeace

Discussions by whom? Seriously. Post that stuff or send it to Ace.

Posted by: Iskandar at November 21, 2009 07:39 PM (u1pln)

143 Discussions by whom? Seriously. Post that stuff or send it to Ace.

Posted by: Iskandar at November 21, 2009 11:39 PM (u1pln)

I don't get your point? Did you miss the credit crisis? Do you not remember what people were talking about? Do you not understand the implications of a monetary collapse?

.... but, if you insist, here's the first thing off of a search - The Independent July 17th, 2009:

The Bush administration and Congress discussed the possibility of a breakdown in law and order and the logistics of feeding US citizens if commerce and banking collapsed as a result of last autumn's financial panic, it was disclosed yesterday.

Can I assume that you understand what this "breakdown in law and order and the logistics of feeding ..." adds up to? I don't understand why are you acting as if this is some surprise news? There were public discussions about this, and martial law, at the time of the crisis. You must have missed them, or since forgotten about them.

If you want to consider all these things to be outlandish and totally outside of the bounds of reasonable occurences, then go right ahead, but our monetary situation is not like anything this nation has ever faced. What do you think is going to happen to the brittle real estate market when the Fed is finally unable to hold off and has to start hiking interest rates? And when we revisit the Sept 2008 credit crisis, we won't be able to buy or print any time, as we are broke and stretched to the absolute hilt. Take it for what you will.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at November 21, 2009 08:03 PM (A46hP)

144 LA politics as usual.... What do you expect

Posted by: Realdeal at November 22, 2009 04:21 AM (wbcMr)

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