1 That is not a blizzard in DC ,it's HELL freezing over.

2 Well, let's be honest here: there is really only one viewpoint. Ballpark.

3 God Who Walks? Not when he has his choice of AF1 and 72-vehicle motorcades. Hell, he probably rides in a golf cart when he's out playing with Tiger.

4 Hah. God Who Gets His Ass Chauffered in an Armored Climate Controlled Carbon-Throbbing SUV, then.

5

' But we have a little bit of hope on two fronts'

Don't tease us, Ace.

 

 

6 The term MSM should be retired since the media is not mainstream.

7 I never say MSM anymore. I stopped saying it six months ago when Bernie Goldberg pointed it out it credited them with a lie. I say media or big media or left-wing media or the like. I don't know why anyone says MSM anymore, and I get sort of annoyed when they do, that they haven't gotten the memo.

8 "the media" is only two letters longer than "the MSM." Really no reason to say MSM anymore, ever. They're not mainstream. FoxNews, while it tilts a little to the right, tilts less to the right than the estabilshment liberal media tilts to the left. FoxNews is more deserving of "MSM" than the legacy media. Really annoys me that people still say that.

9 I say MSM sarcastically. I know it is the Left Stream Media or the Dem Stream Media. Plus, it is still the main stream by which things are heard and recognized as "news".

10 Funny... I stopped having hope that this thing wasn't a pre-ordained rigged event as of waking this morning and finding yet another Dem caved lacking any real principles. I'll believe any of these other bastards when they actually _do_ what they threaten. Until then, they are all in the tank. Not like my believing them or not will affect their behavior. But I refuse to believe any of them has the least bit of principle.

11 In his final newscast Charles Gibson stated : "Objectivity is not universally in favor in our business these days, but it is critically important. It is what we strive for each night". You know which news channel he was taking a shot at and it wasn't ABC, NBC, CNN, or CBS, or MSNBC.

12 Stupak in the House is claiming he'll refuse to vote for a bill...

Pffffft. Stupak just wants a nice payoff for Michigan, he'll cave when he gets his 30 (billion) pieces of silver.

Besides, he's a UP'er, which means the chances are very good he's got Scandi blood, most likely Finn.

Feckin' Suomi scumbag....

13 The Federal Government is enormous beyond belief. Washington is loaded with whatever might tempt those who can be tempted. Success in politics is expensive and difficult. Combine these things and you get what we have now. A federal government controlled by egotistical crooks, liars, thieves. The Federal Government is now a living thing, like a Skynet, it wants to live and will resist any attempt to weaken it.

14

Get over it already you racist-bitter-clinger-cracker-a$$-crackers,,  I WON, end of discussion, end of debate, game over!!  There ain't a damn thing you can do about it!  A word of advice,,,,   Just STFU, sit down and open your wallets 'cause you ain't seen nothing yet. 

 

OsamaHusseinIslamObama 2012'

(the terrorist-Uighur-ACORN-media choice)

-It's never too early to campaign-

 

15 I am ready for the Apocalypse. My fortress is fully stocked with pop tarts and cheap wine.

16 ...and now the Chinese are saying that Obamawama cannot sell more US Treasury notes because the world at large has no more money with which to buy more US debt.  Probably unspoken by the Chinese "Obamawama hasn't even the economic clout to pay the interest in his current debt increases".

This significantly is not good, if true, because Obamawama has only one other choice: inflate the US currency like his mentor Mugabe did with Zimbabwe (which means the former Rhodesia without any visible means to produce goods and services from the former breadbasket of Africa as a whole).

Just run the money presses continuously. If Obamawama has to feel bad about his Marxist failures, he can simply take down The United States of America, its people, and its economy, leaving only a smoking, stinking hulk of proto-Marxist failure.  Just print more money, without any backing.  Yep, Obamawamma with teach the non-believers in Marxist supremacy with the end result of his nasty machinations.

It is significant that Obamawama has yet to institute his corps of Brownshirts, you know, as well funded and trained as the US military.  We might yet survive.

17 So what if Lieberman walks?

They only need 51 votes from here on out.  We lost the 60 vote fight.. It's all over now.  The wimps running for re-election in 2010 will be allowed to vote no on the final bill to "save" their asses, and we'll be f*cked in the ass. 

Can you say "bend over"?

18 Damn, Ace.  That was well said.  But the hardcore left are beginning to see him as a betrayer.  And the "conservatives" who supported him?  They were getting an elbow in the ribs to McCain. 

Bottom line:  the Emperor has no clothes.  He's an out of his league community organizer with grandiose ambitions. 

In other words, we're screwed.

19

General Strike.

Seriously.

Posted by: biff

That is the best of ideas. It's high time to Go Galt. Conservatives always repeat the joke of not being able to demonstrate because they have jobs. How about if they didn't show up? And not just call in, but fill the streets (sans parade permit) and keep the leftards from getting to work also? That would get attention. If it kept up for long enough it would get results. Nothing like the economy coming to a grinding halt to get the attention of those who live off taxes. Frankly, I don't think conservatives will ever take ACTION. Instead they'll rattle on about taking back the Republican Party for the next election. As if the next election is not already fixed. Why do you think the Deathocrats are acting as if they don't have a care in the world? Well, maybe they don't. It's time to hit the streets and raise a fuss. It's time to starve the monster. But, conseratives never will.

20 We at least we can watch the Cowboys get waxed by the Saints. I have  a serious hate for them boys.

21

 In his final newscast Charles Gibson stated : "Objectivity is not universally in favor in our business these days, but it is critically important. It is what we strive for each night".

Definitely not in favor in any of the work you did, asshole.

22 They have established the fact that they are all whores. We are now just quibbling about the price.

23 Please clear something up for me. From what I understand, when the bill comes back from conference, it doesn't matter if Lieberman walks because the Senate only needs fifty votes to pass the bill then. So basically all they'll do is submit the House bill to the Senate because they can get fifty votes no problem since the filibuster can't be used on a conference bill. Is that right?

24 <sup>I am ready for the Apocalypse.

My fortress is fully stocked with pop tarts and cheap wine.</sup>

^{Posted by: eman at December 19, 2009 08:10 PM (yf/JJ)}

^{----------------------------}

What?? No SPAM?  I got 2 cases of SPAM.

And lotsa 2 buck chuck as well!

25 Stupak didn't rally believe the abortion language would really stay out of the senate bill, did he? The fools are lost in their own minds.

26 State-Run Media

27
If Leib or Nelson end up walking, I'm sure one or both of the Maine sisters will pick up their slack.

28
State-Run Media

Posted by: Stillwater at December 19, 2009 08:15 PM (qUdDE)

Or, The Running The State Media.

29 Why am I posting as Al Gore?

I'm such a moron some times.

30
Michael Crichton Presents ...

T H E
B A N D
A I D

31 Longbow Media.

32 The Federal Government is enormous beyond belief.

Just out of curiosity I went to jobsearch.usajobs.gov the other day and queried the mother of all teets by typing my zip code with a 20 mile search radius.  The results?  318 Fed. Gov't. job listings within 20 miles of Albuquerque.

I saw a little article about the promised # of jobs vs. the actual number since stimulus passed.  ND was the only state not to lose jobs.  If you don't count DC too.  It gained jobs.  Shocker there.

33

So, the 4th estate is actually the 5th column...

34 I almost want the worst to happen.Pass all the crap and blow the whole thing up.Than I think about the people I care for......

35 Oh and I use MSM as a blanket term because it is packed with ironic goodness.

36 This is not a holly, jolly Christmas at all. 

37

The sooner the system implodz, the sooner we can repair it.

38 Electric Longbow Media.

39
Paramount Delivers...
Bob Woodward's #1 Best Seller...

A L L
T H E
P R E S I D E N T S
M I N I O N S

40 Sorry for not giving props to the poster who put this up earlier (can't remember who it was), but I really felt it:

REPEAL, RESCIND, REVOLT in '10 and '12

41 The very fact that the libtard blogs and the msm are even mentioning the camel's nose under the tent is scary enough.  Do these people even begin to understand how this affects the Republic?  Or maybe they do.  Which is more frightening.  And so we now know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, what this administration has planned for our country.  Obama promised, during his campaign, he would change this country.  And his evil minion, Lady McMichelle, promised the same.

42 Tolstoy's Classic, DOCTOR CHICAGO

43 the legacy media is more the Fringe Media afaic.

44
Erich Maria's



ALL HUNGRY ON THE WESTERN FRONT

45

Hooray for the 3 R's!

REPEAL, RESCIND, REVOLT in '10 and '12

 

46
Wes Craven's


A NIGHTMARE ON K STREET

47 Okay, then.  I raised my blood pressure to new heights earlier.  I'm going back to the fun and games threads.

48 so does this make the left racist?

49

We conservatives need to economically shut down as much as possible. Stop spending money on anything that is not absolutely neccesary. Food and fuel, that is it. No going out to eat stay home. No going out to the bars have friends over. No going to the movies stay home and read a book or chase the little women around.

Also switch to cash as much as possible and keep it out of the bank. There are two reasons for this, first the government will not be able to know how much you have on hand and second when inflation kicks in you want to be able to get ahold of it and spend it as fast as possible.

Next get a list of friends together that you can trade work with or can fix things for you pay them in cash. When at all possible do bussiness in cash, it will help small businesses keep more money off the books and help starve the government of tax revenue.

Obama is counting on being able to use the billions of extra Tarp money right before the election. We need to force him to spend it now and we need to be suck it up and not let him show anything for it.

If you run a small business purge it of any know Democrat supporters as quietly as possible. Find excuses, if you have computers at your business get someone to help you distract them and then put porn on their computers, then document that and fire them. If you need to hire new employees don't advertise but instead go to the local conservative groups and social network there.

50 Anyone watching or listening to the Saints-Dallas game?

51
Cowboys 7
Saints 0

52 Excellent post, Ace, eeeexcept for two things;

1. God is only capitalized when referring to the omnipresent being that is God, never when in reference to a mortal poser. I realize you don't really believe, but as a courtesy, please let us morons keep some class.

2. For the love of God, will everyone please realize that the underground trains that run all over D.C. are not effected in the least by any amount of snow? Transportation CANNOT be disrupted to the Capitol by anything short of an atomic explosion in the immediate area.

53 Philip K. Dick's DO TABLOIDS DREAM OF ELECTED SHEEP?

54 Elvis Presley in, SPAMBAKE!

55
Miles Austin good for 10 pts in my ffl playoff game WOOT!

56 So what if Lieberman walks? They only need 51 votes from here on out. We lost the 60 vote fight.. It's all over now. The wimps running for re-election in 2010 will be allowed to vote no on the final bill to "save" their asses, and we'll be f*cked in the ass. Can you say "bend over"? Posted by: Al Gore at December 19, 2009 08:10 PM (tDm8K) ~~~~~~~~ That is incorrect. There are 4 cloture votes before the bill can be signed by Obama. All cloture votes require 60 votes. First cloture is on Monday for the manager's amendment. Second is Tuesday for the budget points of the bill. Third is on Wednesday to end all debate on the bill. And then it goes to conference committee where the Senate and House have to come together--somehow--for a final bill. Nothing that isn't already in either the Senate version or the House version can be added to the final bill--which means, no more bribes (important in that Stupak and others can't be bought off with this bill). If it's reconciled in conference committee somehow, it goes to the House for a final vote (and either the Progressive Caucus will vote for it or bilk because of the lack of public option and abortion restrictions, or the pro-choice caucus--around 30-40 with Stupak--bilk because of the lack of abortion restriction). And then it goes to the Senate where either they add a public option and piss off Lieberman and the others such as Landrieu, Lincoln, or they strip the abortion amendment and piss off Nelson. The vote in the Senate is considered a new bill and can be filibustered, requiring the final 4th cloture vote.

57 Screw the Cowboys. 

58

Posted by: southdakotaboy at December 19, 2009 08:31 PM (1/mjG)

I have already noticed that some of my small biz friends, anyone who supported that marxist, they are the first to get fired when people need to be cut.

I suspect this is happening all over the country. People have spent years and so much effort trying to build and grow their businesses only to see them being punished by a america-loathing marxist!

 

59
Stephen King Regurgitates...

T H E
B L I S T E R

60 Good stuff to hear, enoxo. I was almost ready to commit suicide.

61 enoxo, after the conference, they still need 60 votes for the new shitty bill, is this correct??

62 Per  Red State:

1 a.m. MONDAY – To end debate on “a manager’s package” that includes all the latest changes to the bill. 60 votes required.7 a.m. TUESDAY – To approve the manager’s package. Simple majority required.Also TUESDAY – To end debate on Mr. Reid’s original health care proposal, as amended by the manager’s package. 60 votes required.1 p.m. WEDNESDAY – To approve Mr. Reid’s original proposal. Simple majority required.Also WEDNESDAY – To end debate on the finalized health care legislation. 60 votes required.7 p.m. THURSDAY, Christmas Eve (or anytime after the prior vote if all senators agree) – To approve the final bill. Simple majority required.

63 2. For the love of God, will everyone please realize that the underground trains that run all over D.C. are not effected in the least by any amount of snow? Transportation CANNOT be disrupted to the Capitol by anything short of an atomic explosion in the immediate area.

Posted by: Eric at December 19, 2009 08:33 PM (Qc/s6)

I hope someone gets video of Joe Lieberman trying to use the Farecard machine to make the vote that destroys America.

"What the hell am I supposed to do with 18 bucks in quarters!??"

64 63 enoxo, after the conference, they still need 60 votes for the new shitty bill, is this correct?? Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-democrat at December 19, 2009 08:41 PM (ACkhT) ~~~ In the Senate, yes. Republicans (and potentially other Democrats) can force a filibuster, which will require cloture to break. The bill coming back from committee is considered an entirely new bill, so it can be filibustered.

65
John Gray's


Men Are From Moscow, Women Are From Stalingrad

66

WHAT CHRISTMAS WEEK COULD LOOK LIKE, according to the Senate Dem timeline:

–SATURDAY, DEC 19th — 7:20 am – Final passage on DoD approps bill. (done) Reid then files his manager's amendment. (done)
–SUNDAY, DEC 20th — Wait for cloture to ripen
–MONDAY, DEC 21st — 1 am – Cloture vote on manager’s amendment (60 votes)
–TUESDAY, DEC 22nd –7 am – Cloture vote on substitute (60 votes)
–WEDNESDAY, DEC 23rd — 1 pm — Cloture vote on overall bill (60 votes)
–THURSDAY, CHRISTMAS EVE — 7 pm – Final passage vote on health care reform (50 votes plus Biden)

From Michelle Malkin's site. 

67

I don't know why anyone says MSM anymore, and I get sort of annoyed when they do, that they haven't gotten the memo.

I call them the MFM. Which is what they are.

68 Ok, did Ried bribe the Saint's defense along with Nelson?

69 One point --
Politics is not like a football match where both sides ply by the same rules. Politics is not fair and not symmetrical. The let has a natural advantage in this country because it pits the haves against the have-nots. By definition there are more have-nots. In a democracy that can be a fatal flaw that the USA has managed to survive for a long time, but there is no guarantee.

Ace lamenting the unfairness of the situation is like cursing the tide.

We need to understand what forces we can use to counteract the natural tendency to socialize (education, upward mobility, science, religion, etc.) and use them more effectively. The left knows what their best tools are and are using them to great effect.

70 Lucas's THE PHANTOM BREAKFAST

71 This last year in America the most depressing since what.1938??

72 These do not look like the usual Saints. WTF?

73 Damn this Apple keyboard that skips letters.

74

>>The Federal Government is now a living thing, like a Skynet, it wants to live and will resist any attempt to weaken it.

Adapt.

75

"THURSDAY, CHRISTMAS EVE — 7 pm – Final passage vote on health care reform (50 votes plus Biden)"

I thought this needed 60 votes?? So the fuckers will vote for cloture, and NOT vote for the bill itself?

If these assholes think people are going to forget this, THEY WILL NOT!

I am beyond pissed at these jerks!  I was not even this pissed over the Iraq war vote!

 

76 I don't know how typical my experience is of the Obama era, but it's been incredibly corrosive in my own (white, college-educated, surburban) life. I lost two good friendships over the past two years and am barely on speaking terms with my own brother after being publicly called a racist by my sister-in-law. And my last serious girlfriend, who I lived with and almost married, was black. Apparently I hate black people so much I occasionally fall in love with them. I'm incredibly angry and incredibly frustrated since my very heartfelt grievances get written off as just more proof of my racism. Rational discussion has been impossible.

I'm trying to not take it personally, but I do. A long-time friendship with a college buddy ended when he excused Bill Ayers' terrorism as no worse than my own father's military service in Vietnam. My father had housed and fed this friend of mine many times over the years. I went ballistic and demanded an apology ... which never came. I can forgive a lot of my liberal friends, but that was just beyond the pale.

Sad thing is, it's my older or more blue-collar Democrat relatives I can still talk to about politics. I come from a midwest Democrat family. It's my better-off NPR class friends and, sadly, family members where I get personally vilified for not liking Obama. So just on a personal, human relationship level the Obama era has been a disaster for my life. It just sucks.

77 I am _so_ glad I sold my business in 2001. I will never run another. The maxist cry-babies can kiss my lilly white ass.

78
Stephen Spielberg's


SAVING COMRADE RYANOVICH

79 The interesting thing is this... after conference committee, if the House passes it, the Senate has only two options: accept the bill or reject it. That's it. If the House approves it, I don't see the Senate approving it short of more Dems caving, or Republicans flipping (Hag Twins of Maine Powers Activate--form of historic orgasm!). But if Republicans and some Dems in the Senate can filibuster the bill, the entire bill in both houses is dead and they have to start over from the very beginning.

80 77 They don't care.Mark Steyn has a great post in the Corner over at NRO.The dems are playing the long game here,they are willing to lose control of congress because this will never go away once enacted.

81 Gene Roddenberry's CZAR TREK: THE UNRECOVERED COUNTRY

82 Here's what I don't understand.

From what I hear, MoveOn.org hates the bill.

SEIU hates the bill.

Isn't this their base, their "go-to" people?

So why are they screwing over their own?

I know why they're screwing conservatives, but now it seems that the general public doesn't support this bill, so why push it through? Is this just to appease their Lightworker Lord Obama?

83 "THURSDAY, CHRISTMAS EVE — 7 pm – Final passage vote on health care reform (50 votes plus Biden)" I thought this needed 60 votes?? So the fuckers will vote for cloture, and NOT vote for the bill itself? If these assholes think people are going to forget this, THEY WILL NOT! I am beyond pissed at these jerks! I was not even this pissed over the Iraq war vote! Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-democrat at December 19, 2009 08:47 PM (ACkhT) ~~~~ After cloture (60 votes) to end all debate, it requires a simple majority to pass the bill--which is 50+1. There IS potential for some to vote for cloture, but to vote against the bill. And yes, they think you are that stupid to not notice.

84

NEAUXXXXXXXXXXXX SAINTS !!

85
John Carpenter's

C A N N I B A L S

86 No, the lib base isn't angry. They are just part of the plan to make the bill "look" centrist. They'll be happy campers again once it's passed. You watch.

87 And yes, they think you are that stupid to not notice.

Or... Acorn already has the voting rigged, so they can push any legislature through until the cows come home and democrats will always keep the majority.

Yes, I know this is insane. It's been a stressful year.

88 OT

How to be happy in the New Age of Poverty (AKA in The Age of Owe-bama)

89

I WON,,, I WON,, I'm taking my victory lap in the rose garden right now bitter clingers!!!

 

OsamaHusseinIslamObama 2012'

(the terrorist-Uighur-ACORN-media choice)

-It's never too early to campaign-

 

90
CZAR TREK 2: THE WRATH OF HUNGER

91

bobbo - Don't bring up politics with during friendly conversation. 

If you have "friends" who aggressively push Obama and the Democratic party,  explain to them calmly and rationally why they are full of sh*t.  Then, make them ex-friends. 

 

92 shibumi, Dems know that their wacked out PROGRESSIVE ultra liberal base has nowhere else to go and nobody else to vote for. It's the same principle as Bush when he angered his base with his irresponsible attempt at immigration reform and all his deficit spending. He knew fiscal conservatives would be angry with him, but where else did they have to go?

93 90 OT

How to be happy in the New Age of Poverty (AKA in The Age of Owe-bama)

I actually read this earlier today.

Gist of the article? Enjoy wearing casual clothes while you do some sort of awful menial job like handing out flyers or selling flowers on the expressway off ramp.

Because everyone knows people who don't have money or resources are the happiest, and that Poverty Is Wealth.

94 I like the idea of firing lefty employees  and hiring conservatives from 51. I'm a founder of a working band and I had two lefty types and I fired them, not only because of their views, but that was certainly part of it.  The other problem was deeper and perhaps why they were leftist dweebs. They always wanted something for nothing. Always wanting an equal share while not providing equal commitment and dedication, and trying to push the envelope with me for money like union organizers.

They went from making a decent living to practically begging like the rest of the unemployed musicians.

95 94 shibumi, Dems know that their wacked out PROGRESSIVE ultra liberal base has nowhere else to go and nobody else to vote for. It's the same principle as Bush when he angered his base with his irresponsible attempt at immigration reform and all his deficit spending. He knew fiscal conservatives would be angry with him, but where else did they have to go?

Sigh.

You're right.

I'm grasping for straws here. I know this is going to pass, and I have a parent with huge health issues, and we are both worried that because of this, things will be very hard for her.

I suppose we all have the End of the World in 2012 to look forward to....

96

Posted by: bobbo at December 19, 2009 08:49 PM (BXqkH)

I'm sorry to hear that.  I have lost 1 friend, a liberal who could not forgive that I voted for Mccain/Palin. This person was a good friend, we both started our businesses at ard the same time years ago. We shared the same struggles, etc

I have no regrets, being a democrat myself for over 2 decades, I have many friends in the military & I could not forgive what he ,the marxist, said about our US military, and I realised this man in the WH is one of the worst presidents I have ever seen in my life, and this is comning from someone who went to DC to protest against Bush.

I basically have gotten to the point, if a person is a liberal, I have no respect for them anymore, and this I find shocking since I was more on the liberal side until 2008. But self preservation can do that to you.

Don't worry about it, if they were people who you wanted to stay friends with, they will come ard in the next few months as the country unravels some more.

But if you are like me, who is basically at the point of saying good riddance, than the way I figure, life's too short, and I really don't want to waste time with people who refuse to see what that marxist is doing to this country.  THe centerists and moderates see this, but the liberals are a gone case.

97 CZAR TREK III: THE SEARCH FOR DOCS

98 I'm reserving a large part of my hatred for those fellow citizens who helped make this happen, back last November. They are not my countrymen.

99
Robert Redford's


ORDINARY SHEEPLE

100 There's a sense of powerlessness when 52.9% of voters are morons.

101 bobbo - its important to get in that strategic first strike, so call them assholes before they start talking, then explain why.

102 102 There's a sense of powerlessness when 52.9% of voters are morons.

Especially when an unknown percentage of those "voters" were figments of ACORN's imagination. 

103
Stephen Spielberg presents,


RAIDERS OF THE LAST WHEAT SHIPMENT

104 We'll know how the first three cloture votes (before conference committee) goes early Monday morning for the first one. If one of the ultra-libs, such as Feingold, Boxer, McCaskill, Di-Fi, bilks the abortion portions of Nelson's bribe, and thus blocks cloture, this entire situation will explode because there can not be anymore bribes. They specifically bribed Socialist Sanders when they bribed Nelson because he was starting to get antsy on the lack of a public option--so they nipped it in the bud. But now... nothing can be added if they want to still pass this by Christmas.

105 franco:  good for you!  that;s what a lot of people I know are doing.

106

CZAR TREK II: YES WE KHAN

107

>>I like the idea of firing lefty employees  and hiring conservatives

Not just this, but also hire the conservatives as contractors only. Help them to incorporate themselves and pay their own healthcare to take the burden off your company. If they're conservatives they'll welcome the opportunity rather than bitch.

108 OT: This is part two of the RedLetterMedia review of Star Trek Insurrection review

Pretty funny, cheered me up seeing someone articulate so well the stupidity of this movie.

109

Bobbo,

     I gotta admit thase were tough pills to take.  You should be glad you stood on principle.  In the long haul you always end up liking yourself in the morning.  I helped my foreign exchange student and her Mom legally immigrat from Russia.  She got here and married a guy that spent 10 or 12 years getting a Bachelors degree.  Imagine coming halfway around the world to marry a f-n commie.  I can't talk to the SOB and he knows I can't stand him.  She listens to her hubby.

110 Blazer is en fuego.

111 Posted by: bobbo

Sorry to hear about your situation but your story could  be helpful to others here. Thanks, and I wish you and all of us better days.

112 shibumi, I definitely feel your pain, having had an elderly grandparent die recently after a long and drawn out illness that depleted her bank account.

I have worries of my own about this monstrosity. I just spent $40K and four years putting myself through school to be a respiratory therapist. I can tell you that every hospital I've worked at (I work in Detroit) is in fiscal dire straits b/c the bulk of their patients are medicare and medicaid patients. The coming cuts to those programs combined with millions of more patients being funneled into those programs means EVERY hospital is going to be in significant trouble. Not just cause they certainly will not be able to eat the extra cost, but because there simply are not enough doctors, nurses, and allied health professionals to go around NOW, much less when we put bring so many new patients in the fold. I DID NOT spend this much time, energy, and money to be a professional healthcare worker only to be paid what the clerk at the DMV is paid.  

113 Bobbo, Be of good cheer. You did the right thing.

114 CZAR TREK: SPIN RECESSION

115

>>I work in Detroit

Really?!? You're the one, hunh?

116 71  - That is why the Founding Fathers established a republic and limited the vote to property owners: producers of wealth.

Universal suffrage results in the death of liberty: tyranny of the "have not" majority.

117 I would go Galt to a point and cut spending to the bone but I don't think I could get my wife to go along with it. 

118 Bobbo,
I also lost a life time friend over his, really out right communism. I'm a software engineer(took me six years of hard work to get that degree) and this guy had the gall to assert that the guy putting the shrink rap on the Microsoft Windows xp box should make the same amount of money as the guy writing the program. I kind of lost it and called him a commi and have not seen him again.  

119
Awwright, I'm the nfl keeps shutting down the streams on justin tv so it's time to start drinking.  Anyone seen an ONT around here anywhere?

120 @ 58  Enoxo - Nothing that isn't already in either the Senate version or the House version can be added to the final bill--

Don't mean to start nothin', but didn't they pass the (anti) stimulus with large spans of white space so they could just fill shit in later? What's to keep them from doing the same thing this go 'round?

@ 78 bobbo - I lost two good friendships over the past two years and am barely on speaking terms with my own brother after being publicly called a racist by my sister-in-law. And my last serious girlfriend, who I lived with and almost married, was black.

Your experience is extremely typical, least it is to me. Have lost a handful of friends over that jugeared prick, and an annual reunion we've had with a bunch of college friends the last 20 plus years didn't happen this fall after the previous one splintered into pro/anti ohblahblah camps. Have been called a racist by a few who don't know me so well, but I just laugh out loud at that shit- I went ahead and did marry a black girl (I'm a pasty Irish boy). Always fun to give jagoffs what fling the race card at me plenty of rope to hang themselves, then show them a picture of my wife. It's amazing the places a misplayed race card can get jammed into, know whutta mean?

@ 82 steevy - The dems are playing the long game here,they are willing to lose control of congress because this will never go away once enacted.

Ah, but a lot of US might go away... and we work, and generate tax revenue.

121 I DID NOT spend this much time, energy, and money to be a professional healthcare worker only to be paid what the clerk at the DMV is paid. Posted by: JenBee Imagine the nervousness of someone who is in their fourth year of med school.

122 Don't be ridiculous....lieberman is not a man of character.....he's a democrat, he'll vote democrat.  They have rolled the dice, everything is on this, they will vote like the good little minions of our dictator, because, lets face it, that is what this congress has turned our country into.

123
Barack Obama's


GONE IN 28,908,000 SECONDS

124

This is perfect ammo for next November.  Spending BILLLLLIONS of our tax dollars to bribe more LIBTARDS to vote for nonsensical bills that spend TRILLLLLIONS of our tax dollars.

The LEFT is going to get CRUSHED.  Well over 60% of Americans want no part of this.  This does not REFORM ANYTHING.  It merely makes the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT more powerful and allows the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT to decide your health care options.

The Left will not know what the fuck hit them.

125

No, the media is now willing to be a bit agnostic about The God Who Walks because the one cadre of people in America whose opinions actually count -- the left wing -- is now griping about him.

That's about as accurate an assessment as can be spoken. Spot on! Why can't they see what they've done to the greatest country on earth? I thought we had defeated communism in the 90's. Boy was I ever wrong.

126 Dang Straights, if you want to listen to the game, you can go here: http://radiotime.com/station/s_31462/KAOK_1400.aspx

lol @ midnight fluffy bunny... from looking at my paycheck and all the taxes taken out, yes, it would seem I am THE ONE (the ONLY one) working in Detroit and paying taxes!

eman, ...... NO SHIT. I honestly feel sorry for any students in med school right now... they're gonna be saddled with huge debt, and no way to ever pay it off. They'll be paid what the manager at the DMV is paid by the time it's all over.

127

I've needed an ONT since 10:30 AM.  Bobbo, I am sorry about your experience. 

128 Posted by: JenBee

Are you at the DMC JenBee? I'm in the Detroit area as well, and have been dealing with Beaumont- I have yet to meet ONE person in the medical system there that is in favor of the Obamacare obomination.

129
Oh we have a local affiliate I could listen to, I was just streaming it to watch.  I'm following the box on yahoo for my fantasy team, it's almost better as there's no Matt Milllen.  Thanks though Jen.

130 @ 114 Jenbee - "I DID NOT spend this much time, energy, and money to be a professional healthcare worker only to be paid what the clerk at the DMV is paid."

So spend a few more bucks, get Rosetta stone Spanish and/or go to Berlitz. Then pack the few summer clothes you own (I grew up in the western suburbs of Detroit) and get down to one of the new health care centers that will be springing up in Costa Rica.

It's not like Hudson's is around anymore, and is Onassis Coney Island really worth staying for? Besides, they can ship Vernor's pretty well everywhere.

131

J you are incorrect. Joe Lieberman is NOT a whore, he is a LIBERAL.

Liberalism is an ideology of spending, taxing and victimhood.

Democrats are thieves.

Lieberman has principles, most of them are weak and dumb, but he has principles.

132

Gene Roddenberry's



CZAR TREK VI: THE UNDISCOVERED HALF EATEN CAN OF ALPO

133 The AP is celebrating already @ http://tinyurl.com/yb6tf7d

"After a nearly century-long struggle, we are on the cusp of making health care reform a reality in the United States of America."

134

The Left will not know what the fuck hit them.

It's great to envision kicking all their asses as the elections occur (assuming they DO continue to occur....) but, they'll have ALL our money--and ALL the power they need by then, so what difference will it make?

And we're so fucked.

135 OT...

Anyone watching the game (I'm not...)  What's up with Brees, his stats suck (I'm glad since my fantasy opponent has him, but I'm wondering)

136
Not me, I'm pulling in a San Antone station and chilling to some Stargate: Atlantis; you know, back when the franchise hadn't completely gone to shit?  Yeah.

137 Sebastien Brant:

"SHIP OF FOOLS"

No, I guess that isn't really a play on words...



Dante:

"THE INFERNO"

No...

Warren Beatty:

"REDS"

No...

Hemingway

"TO HAVE AND HAVE NOT"

No...

Dostoyevsky:

"CRIME AND PUNISHMENT"

No...

AD:

"WE"RE COMPLETE F---ED AND THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT IT SO LET'S LOOK FOR SOME SCOTCH AND PRAY A MIRACLE COMES OUT OF NOWHERE"

No...

Damnit, I'm not very good at this.

138

oh yes the AP

the American Pravada

if they only knew how much of a joke they are seen as

139 122 @ 58 Enoxo - Nothing that isn't already in either the Senate version or the House version can be added to the final bill-- Don't mean to start nothin', but didn't they pass the (anti) stimulus with large spans of white space so they could just fill shit in later? What's to keep them from doing the same thing this go 'round? Posted by: buster mcdissenter at December 19, 2009 09:13 PM (zN9bC) ~~~~~ If they have sections carved out in either the House or the Senate bill that basically says "fill in here later", then they can because those sections are in the House and the Senate bill already. Nothing that isn't already in the Senate and House bill can be added, though, in conference committee.

140 The leftest media has to hang someone.  A majority of the folks realize the MSM is full of shit.  They whored their credibility for THE ONE, and HE has failed them.
Tough shit assholes.

141

Metallica plays:

THE UNFORGIVABLE

142 buster... why would I go to Costa Rica to work? I'm honestly clueless about working anywhere outside of the US, except for the research I've done recently about moving to Canada. Surprisingly enough, registered respiratory therapists get paid equivalent to what they're paid here in the States, even with all the extra taxes taken out in Canada. Even though I love America more than anything, if this healthcare passes and Obama is elected to a second term, I will abandon the sinking ship.

shibumi, you live near me! I live north of Auburn Hills, but I work at DRH. And you are correct, even though 80% of the RRT's are black, and even though what is it, 95% (??) of blacks support Obama, there is only one RRT that supports this healthcare monstrosity. We all understand the extensive damage it will do, not only to the quality of care we're able to give, but to our paychecks and our livelihoods as well.

143 Nothing that isn't already in the Senate and House bill can be added, though, in conference committee.

Well, not legally.  Of course, that sure hasn't been a problem so far.

144 Oh, forgot one bobbo- I am on bare speaking terms with my brother just like you- he went from being a somewhat libertarian type to a frothing lefty thanks to his marriage. Which makes him pretty much a fake libertarian- big disappointment, that.

The thing that tore it was on earflaps' ascension day brother's wife decided that drunkenly IM'ing me for several hours to gloat about it would be funny. Well that, and his increasingly unhinged and plaintive defenses of jugears' malfeasance.

145 Frank Capra's enduring classic, IT'S A SOVIET LIFE

146

Hans Christian Andersen's

THE EMPERORS NEW HEALTHCARE PLAN

147 Posted by: enoxo at December 19, 2009 09:24 PM (p0Ddl) So basically, what your saying is that all the House and Senate have to work with in conference is what's already contained w/in each bill that passed in each chamber. IOW's, if it's not contained within the four corners of the passed bills, then it can't be changed, but for the sections that say "fill in the blank".

148 Greg in Seattle, I've no idea wtf is up with Brees tonight. I'm listening to the game, not watching it, but it sounds like he's really off his game in a bad way. I'm not worried yet though, because the Saints are such a strong second half team.

149 Thanks Ace, thanks

150
Arnold Schwarzenegger is


THE RUNNING AFTER THE U.N. AID TRUCK MAN

151 buster... why would I go to Costa Rica to work?

Oh, for the same reasons you're talking about going to Canada to work, plus add in a whole bunch of warmth and sunshine.

152
I think we're much more likely to see MD's and hospitals relocating to Costa Rica then we are Canada.

153 Thanks Jen, I think you're right, but I hope he doesn't bounce back TOO much... (just for my fantasy game).  I take it you're a fan of his?

154

CZAR TREK IV:

T H E

F O R E C L O S E D

H O M E

155 149 Posted by: enoxo at December 19, 2009 09:24 PM (p0Ddl) So basically, what your saying is that all the House and Senate have to work with in conference is what's already contained w/in each bill that passed in each chamber. IOW's, if it's not contained within the four corners of the passed bills, then it can't be changed, but for the sections that say "fill in the blank". Posted by: volfan at December 19, 2009 09:28 PM (lF49h) ~~~~~~ Yep!

156 Mozart's

REQUIEM

157 Damnit, still not really a play on words.

158

In five to seven years, when we start to see hospitals shutting down, shortages, etc...  both the media and the Democratic party will LIE, LIE, LIE, LIE, LIE, and offer up INSURANCE COMPANIES and GREEDY HOSPITAL EXECUTIVES as the whipping boys.

The only way to fix things is to move to a single-payer system, they will say.

The only question is how many idiots will believe them?  My guess - A LOT.

159 Rules? Rules are for suckers.

160 heh, buster, I'm born and raised in New Orleans, and moved up here to Michigan after Katrina. I absolutely LOVE the cold, love the snow, love the changing of the seasons, love it all... I feel like I've been deprived my whole life of winter! If I move, it'll be even further north, not back to the tropics    

161
Sir Ben Kingsley stars in



CHARIOTS OF YANKEE DOG FLOUR

162 @ 157 - Yep!

Agh. Waf.

WAF.

1000 x WAF.

163 Louis Malle's MY DINNER WITH ANDRE 1138

164 heya Greg, yep, I'm originally from New Orleans.... I remember being in my teens when we wore bags over our heads in shame and called them the Aints. Bona fide, die hard Saints fan forever here     CERTAINLY not a Lions fan!!

165 Going Galt isn't really the same as a general strike.  It's a lot more like not choosing to participate in their scheme.  For example, the Galt's Gulch crowd used their own money (gold coins, of course).  That's a bit extreme, but I'd imagine we can come up with something close.

Barter is still recognized by the IRS as taxable commerce.  In a bizarre way, but taxable.  My guess is there is a crack on the door having to do with barter, commodity gold and silver, and other trade goods.  When they begin cracking down on specific goods, the way they do with alcohol, for example, then that's time to crack back.

166 enoxo: What are the chances that the Dems (Bayh, Lincoln, Nelson, et al) and making a huge gamble here that they hope (strongly) will work out for them? It's no secret that the Dems would rather not have to vote for this but the pressure for the WH and Reid is apparently too much right now. Given that Obama's numbers continue to slide, and that a final vote won't be until sometime in late January at the earliest, is it possible that there are some out there (Dems) that are hoping this is somehow derailed? Is it possible that another dismal UE report or two combined with Obama's sliding numbers, not to mention the looming 2010 primaries (and the lack of hard Dec. 25 deadline), might buck up their spines enough to kill it? It's possible I guess that there could be a conference fight that gives the some type of political cover to vote no. Maybe too much to hope for.

167 CZAR TREK IV: THE VOYAGE FROM HOME

168 Jenbee- let us agree to disagree on climate, and further feel free to take my remaining share of ice, sleet, slush, and frost bite.

To paraphrase that guy what was in the Alamo:

"I shall go to Texas."

169 lol buster, you bet

170 Well Breeze is trying to drive down and score before the half. Need a touch to make it a game.

171 Stupak in the House is claiming he'll refuse to vote for a bill

Utter nonsense. These people have no principles other than be in power and command & control as much of your life as possible.

172 This kid and his family moves to Texas the moment the shit hits the fan.

173 Doh! Intercepted. Crap!

174 But you know, ace? The HCR is going to get shoved in your ass.

And you can do nothing about it! Nothing!

Global warming is a hoax, too.

175 162 heh, buster, I'm born and raised in New Orleans, and moved up here to Michigan after Katrina. I absolutely LOVE the cold, love the snow, love the changing of the seasons, love it all... I feel like I've been deprived my whole life of winter! If I move, it'll be even further north, not back to the tropics

Posted by: JenBee at December 19, 2009 09:34 PM (RgwT

Welcome to the Great White North (almost)! I lived in Florida, then moved to W. Va, then Michigan. I always joke with folks that I'll retire up in Yellow Knife.

176 I was just thinking of my immediate family. My stepmom and one sister-in-law (a Marine who served in Iraq) are nurses, one brother is a doc (Navy), my other brother runs a software company that writes specifically for hospitals and a brother-in-law who works for a private health insurance company. These clowns could pretty much wipe out my family.

177 shibumi, you live near me! I live north of Auburn Hills, but I work at DRH. And you are correct, even though 80% of the RRT's are black, and even though what is it, 95% (??) of blacks support Obama, there is only one RRT that supports this healthcare monstrosity. We all understand the extensive damage it will do, not only to the quality of care we're able to give, but to our paychecks and our livelihoods as well.

You work at Receiving, wow. You get all the shooting victims. Or at least do therapy on some of them.  I live over in Sterling Heights, but earlier in the year, Mom had some things done at U of M Hospital. Even in libtard Ann Arbor I couldn't find anyone who supported this.

Yet they are going to ram it down our throats.

Sigh.

178 "crack on the door"

Hmmm.  I typed that, so I must have meant it.  Or something.

179 hehe nice K~Bob... I'm shooting for Alberta myself!

180 @ 98 john the Ex - I basically have gotten to the point, if a person is a liberal, I have no respect for them anymore, and this I find shocking since I was more on the liberal side until 2008. But self preservation can do that to you.

Wow, seem to meet more and more people sharing a similar experience/political switch to yours.

You ever get up on Hillbuzz? They're taking much the same journey, today saying that had Hillary been in the senate and voted for this horrid healthcare shit, they'd have actively sought her defeat in the next senate election.

181

Stupak is irrelevant.  His 14 minutes of fame are up.

This is how it works.  The Chicago boyz are bribing the entire LIBTARD PARTY with YOUR CHILDRENS MONEY.

They don't give a flying fuck what STUPAK thinks. 

Stupak who??

182
Matthew Broderick stars in,




FERRIS BULLER"S DAY OFF FROM EATING

183

I shouldn't say the left is having a "snit," as if their feelings are unreasonable

I want to rip off their heads and snit down their throats.  Go ahead and destroy your own goddamned economy you pint-sized betas, but leave me and America the hell alone.

184

America's dinner tables star in

DIAL "M" FOR McDONALDS

185 shibumi, yeah you see some shit at DRH, especially when you're working the ER on the weekend. My friend works at St. John's on the east side, and wow, she sees even more than I do. Detroit is a bloody battlefield.

186 Stupak who??

Posted by: gus at December 19, 2009 09:43 PM (MaqIC)

Never heard of him.

187 "I want to rip off their heads and snit down their throats."

We just might have a......WINNAH!

Get that man a....chicken DINNAH!

188
Molly Ringwald is


PRETTY IN A POTATO SACK

189 Get out the lube. This thing will be rammed home like it or not.

190 Whiskey Tango Foxtrot Saints ?!?!

UGH

191 168 enoxo: What are the chances that the Dems (Bayh, Lincoln, Nelson, et al) and making a huge gamble here that they hope (strongly) will work out for them? It's no secret that the Dems would rather not have to vote for this but the pressure for the WH and Reid is apparently too much right now. Given that Obama's numbers continue to slide, and that a final vote won't be until sometime in late January at the earliest, is it possible that there are some out there (Dems) that are hoping this is somehow derailed? Is it possible that another dismal UE report or two combined with Obama's sliding numbers, not to mention the looming 2010 primaries (and the lack of hard Dec. 25 deadline), might buck up their spines enough to kill it? It's possible I guess that there could be a conference fight that gives the some type of political cover to vote no. Maybe too much to hope for. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ The pressure is pretty high on all the Dems to pass the bill, regardless of what is in it, in order for Obama to get the Rose Garden bill signing photo-op before the State of the Union. Obama, Reid, and Pelosi do not care what is in the bill... they just want A bill at all cost. The fight is coming from everyone else who has to hear it from their constituents that they voted for a piece of shit bill. There ARE Dems who are, at least right now, silently hoping that the bill gets derailed because it is a POS that isn't what they wanted. I mean, even unions, liberal lobbying organizations, and pro-abortion organizations are saying, "Kill this crap NOW." I mean, Dems have a super majority and this is the best they can pass? It's unfathomable to them. By all counts of logic, they SHOULD be passing single-payer and free abortions for all. But, because Rahm Emmanuel fought for power over substance (having to back Blue Dogs), their super majority is tainted... which means concessions. Depending on what happens in conference committee, there is a slight chance that the ultra libs will simply buck Pelosi. Unless she's down to threatening their life, I can foresee an all out revolt by the Progressive Caucus against Pelosi if she makes them vote for a non-public option bill that blocks abortions. The longer this bill sits in Congress, the more questions are asked, and the more obvious the flaws start popping up. It becomes even more incredibly harder to keep stiff backs of support for it--which is why they're trying to cram it through as fast as possible. Lieberman, Bayh, Nelson, Lincoln, Landrieu, Stupak, etc, are going to be watching the conference committee closely. Reid promised Nelson that there would not be major depatures from the Senate bill, so if he lied and they do... Nelson "supposedly" is not going to vote for it. But I honestly do not see how Pelosi can get past the Progressive Caucus without a public option of some form and with the existing Stupak abortion amendment. And if they do put in a public option, and remove the abortion amendment, the Senate Democrats are going to revolt. So if they want the bill, one side is going to have to cave in to the other without further financial bribes in this bill (since nothing can be added.) I honestly believe that the bill will pass the Senate on Christmas Eve and head into conference committee--short of an ultra-lib bucking Nelson's abortion bribe. From there, it's going to be another entire battle, and if some of the bribes are revoked, it's going to fail miserably.

192

Aldous Huxley's classic:

DEPRAVED NEW WORLD

193

WRT Detroit - Dunno if its related to crime or unemployment, but I'm seeing buttloads of Michiganders up here in my little city.

194 Stanley Kubrick's A PATCHWORK LEMON

195 I appreciate the words of encouragement. It's just the personal vitriol from the Left took me by surprise. Some of these relationships might be dead forever, but the family ones I really need to figure out how to repair.

And I know the general rule about talking politics, but I *like* talking politics. I always have. The friendships I lost weren't casual friendships, they were good friendships. People I went on roadtrips with, and chased girls with, had serious talks with .. stayed up all night in college playing video games with. They  crashed on my couch, invited me to their weddings. These were some of my best friends. If I can't talk politics with them, who can I talk politics with?

And somehow we could talk through disagreements during the Clinton and Bush years, but not with Obama. They hated Bush, said horrible things (especially the girlfriends and wives), and I just sort of laughed it off. But I criticize Obama and all off a sudden the "racist" label starts getting thrown around.

I realize we just grew apart as friends. They moved to NYC for work, while I worked the suburbs throughout DC, Virginia and NC. So our peer groups changed. Still it was something about Obama that brought everything to a head, past disagreements that could be laughed off over a beer all of a sudden became intensely personal.

And I'm a live-and-let-live libertarian style Republican, I'm not a preachy guy. I want free trade, free enterprise, limited govt, and a big-ass military. Ok, I'd also like it if we didn't kill so many babies, so I guess I'm pro-life, but I'm not preachy about it.

Perhaps part of this is that I thought I was part of the NPR class. I've lived and worked much of my life in college towns and govt towns. And I like those places. I like having good music and free museums around. I like wine bars and cute girls. I like earnestly artsy community centers with painting classes and dance classes and guitar classes. I love Charlottesville and Chapel Hill and Athens. I like Georgetown and Old Town Alexandria. (The common denominator to all this might be 20-something girls now that I think about it.)

I guess the Obama era, and consequent severed friendships, has made me realize that the places that I like most ... kind of hate me. Which sucks.

So part of this is just me not knowing where I belong anymore. I'm not a religious guy despite my pro-life beliefs and Catholic upbringing. So I doubt church will help.

196 where is that, midnight bunny?

197

Posted by: buster mcdissenter at December 19, 2009 09:42 PM (zN9bC)

yes, I do visit HillBuzz often, yes I read their post and the comments on that thread, a lot of ex-dems or still centerist dems feel that way.

The thing is, Bush never really fought back agn what the fringe-media did to him, I know I know he did sorta fight back and he was busy protecting the country. But they let the lunatics in the radical lefty hammer him without any bounds, and that hurt Bush.

But with the Bush bashing, I as a no fan of Bush were lumped in with the daily Kos crowd, so when the Bush bashing was going on, there was no distinction between the radical america hating left, and those who just didn't like Bush.

So, when Hillary ran, these same lunatics unleashed on Hillary, and this is when I saw what you conservatives were saying about the lunatic radical left, and I realised wow, there are actually people, americans, who hate america that much. I must admit it never occured to me, one b/c I never saw it agn a democrat who I was supporting and two I was still watching & reading what I call the fringe media.

So, now, I realise how much Bush was lied about, I realise there is no media, they are all just tools of the radical left, and I say this as a former howard dean voting lefty (VERY very sorry for this vote)

after 2008 the fringe media really has no idea that their fascade of credibility is gone. and as HB pointed out, the radical america hating left is the now the face of the party of democrats, and they have NO clue how damaging the brand is becomning.

198

I appreciate the words of encouragement. It's just the personal vitriol from the Left took me by surprise. Some of these relationships might be dead forever, but the family ones I really need to figure out how to repair.

Do you know when the last time stuff like this happened in American history?

Right before the Civil War.

199 Texas is turning blue....because lefties move here and vote commie...Austin is horrible.

Look what the left has done to Colorado, Oregon, Washington,

200 Star Wars Ep IV: A New Hope and Change Star Wars Ep V: The Empire Hikes Tax

201 anyone who is voting for POS bill is voting to CUT 500 Billion in Medicare. I hope the repubs/conservatives use this is ads all over the country!

202 198 - oh. Rochester NY

203 Although Tapper never was in the bag for Obama (at least not in his reporting), I think the fact ABCNews allows him this much snark at Captain Perfect's expense indicates the bloom is officially off the rose.

I wouldn't go that far. There is still lots of love, but the DemSM is starting to bitch that their true heart leaves the toilet seat up.

204 If I can't talk politics with them, who can I talk politics with?

Sign up with the local GOP and/or Tea Party. It's like other things in life, it's easier to discuss topics with like-minded people. With religion and politics it's necessary.

205 "Texas is turning blue....because lefties move here and vote commie...Austin is horrible."

I'm seriously looking at taking our Conservative votes to Texas.  Is there a market for computer engineers in Texas and what is the best area for that skill set?  Preferably somewhere you can get a nice sized land within a reasonable driving distance if that is possible.

206

did you guys hear, the POS actually burst into a meeting that the chinease/brazilian/indians were having by themselves. The idiot was actually yelling at the closed door "Are you ready to speak with me Premier Hu? Are you ready?"

Apparently the Chinease officials told him to stop and were objecting and the marxist asshole burst into the meeting. (I saw this story at politco, surprised they didn't cover for their messaih)

OMG!   I can only imagine who much lower the Hu/singh/Lulu 's opinion of this petulant asshole must be.

207 @ 202 - Texas is turning blue....because lefties move here and vote commie...Austin is horrible.

Hey now- my wife and I are two righties that fled from psychotic persecution in the heart of darkness (Chicago). We ended up in Texas, and are doing what we can.

Went to a Texas Nationalist function today, so there's that.

208
ASoHQ Presents....

P H O N I N G
I T
I N

209 Why don't you fuckers love HCR? It's a massive giveaway to insurance companies. You love corporate welfare! Like watching your sister suck Fred Thompson's joint.

210 Remember, the House bill passed 220-215. Some ultra-libs (such as Kucinich) voted with the Republicans to kill the bill due to the passage of the Stupak Amendment. Stupak and his pro-life caucus voted for the bill. Pelosi can only afford to lose 2 votes (she needs 218 to pass). If there is no public option (which the House bill had), there goes more ultra-liberals--way more than 2. And if it doesn't have the Stupak amendment in it blocking abortion, there goes the pro-life caucus--again, way more than 2. She has to find some balance in the conference committee to not lose a lot of votes, and while I think it is improbable for her to reconcile a bill to pass, it's not impossible. She could potentially force people to vote for it with promises that they'll make changes after the fact in future bills--bit if they believe that, they're stupid and deserve to be lampooned.

211 No, the media is now willing to be a bit agnostic about The God Who Walks because the one cadre of people in America whose opinions actually count -- the left wing -- is now griping about him.

Getcher popcorn out if you didn't see this at Hot Air:

Chris Matthews disses the Nutroots, Ed Schultz then brings on the Head Nutroot to slap back at Chrissy.

Yes, Kos hisses and lisps a lot and he's got a whiney little girly voice

212 Harry, are you serious?

213 "I'm seriously looking at taking our Conservative votes to Texas.  Is there a market for computer engineers in Texas and what is the best area for that skill set?  Preferably somewhere you can get a nice sized land within a reasonable driving distance if that is possible."

Austin/Round Rock- there's a bunch o' computer sw/hw stuff round here, plus this little company that makes computers...Darryl or Dale or something- wait, Dell - that's it.

Austin proper is a bit spendy near downtown and outright stupid in Soco/Travis Heights areas, but Round Rock, Pflugerville, Buda (south of Austin) aren't bad at all pricewise.

214 Chris Matthews disses the Nutroots, Ed Schultz then brings on the Head Nutroot to slap back at Chrissy.

Yes, Kos hisses and lisps a lot and he's got a whiney little girly voice

Take a look at Kos while he's still there, I've got my Lizards digging for six degrees of guilt to bring him down.

You didn't think I went back over to the Left to play second guitar behind that little twat, did you? I'm taking over the whole Netroots operation, my Second Coming will shock and awe.

But you have to hit my tip jar first

215 If I'm not mistaken, is moving near Austin just changing out one set of liberal dipshits for another though?  Sorry, but I'm not too familiar with Texas.

216 Take a look at Kos while he's still there, I've got my Lizards digging for six degrees of guilt to bring him down.

Mr Johnson, I went over there and created a diary. I said all sorts of nasty stuff about the Jews and no one banned me.

It's still bad to insult Jews, isn't it?

217 To further my point, check out this NRO article: http://tinyurl.com/y9xgps3 The Blue Dog coalition has 52 members, 38 of whom voted against the House health-care bill (the 39th Dem nay came from Dennis Kucinich). The House Progressive Caucus has 83 members, 64 of whom have pledged to vote against any bill that lacks a strong public option. Let's say the absence of a public option wins the votes of all 38 Blue Dogs. The Democrats could then only afford to lose 40 of the 64 progressives who said they wouldn't vote for such a bill, and both co-chairs of the Progressive Caucus have fired shots across the Senate's bow indicating that such defections are not just possible but likely. Pelosi has been pretty good so far at getting the votes she needs, but the math looks encouraging, and that's before factoring in abortion, taxes, and other differences in the Reid legislation that might fracture the coalition that passed the House bill. ~~~~~~ And, again, Pelosi only has a 2-vote margin if she wants the bill to pass. She's going to have to get some blue dog / pro-life dems that voted against the bill, or she's going to have to keep some ultra-libs from deflecting if there's no public option by any means necessary.

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218 - I'm from NY and had visited Austin. The moonbats are just different. Like they recently had a homeless advocate woman die of exposure in the streets that alot of the moonbats thought was just a wonderful person they'd all miss lots, etc. except she was batshit insane and nobody invited her to live with them.

Anyhow, great BBQ there and they could use your votes.

219 7 I never say MSM anymore. I stopped saying it six months ago when Bernie Goldberg pointed it out it credited them with a lie.

I say media or big media or left-wing media or the like.

I've been calling them the DemSM for a few years now

220 Hopefully lawsuits will tie this disaster up long enough to purge these miscreants.

221

Posted by: enoxo at December 19, 2009 10:26 PM (p0Ddl)

I was jsut discussing this with my dem friends who want this whole shitty thing dead and gone@!

ok... have a public option, and the senators don't vote, and 60 votes are needed here.  don't have public option, and the house liberals don't vote for it.

these 2 things are so different on the opposite side of spectrums, there is no middle grd.

and even if they negotiate as much as they can, saying .. oh well we'll add to it later, the public polls as of last week were 57% against doing anything (Rassumesum poll, the only one I trust), and the number will only go higher b/c now the liberals hate this too, it will be over 70% agn this shitty bill.

I mean, this thing is a disaster, a fking disaster. people who are nonpolitical are just seething mad right now, I know people who voted for the marxists who are LIVID!!  and this anger is just growing.

222 exono, and isn't one of those 2 house votes a republican, a vietnemese? is this moron still thinking of voting for this? he has to know that public setiment has plummeted even more since he voted for this crap

223 I guess the Obama era, and consequent severed friendships, has made me realize that the places that I like most ... kind of hate me. Which sucks.

So part of this is just me not knowing where I belong anymore. I'm not a religious guy despite my pro-life beliefs and Catholic upbringing. So I doubt church will help.

About finding out that the places you like(d) kind of hate you: happens to a lot of us who went to grad school. Even more if it was an Ivy school; been there, done that. As for church: if you look around, you can usually find a congregation where you can make some new friends who won't reject you over politics. Most will be fellow conservatives, but what's not to like about that? My church has become a haven for me since last year. Regarding your own religious beliefs: relax and let God handle it-- He's very patient with the hurt, the lonely, the doubting, yes, and even the despairing.

224 224 Posted by: enoxo at December 19, 2009 10:26 PM (p0Ddl) I was jsut discussing this with my dem friends who want this whole shitty thing dead and gone@! ok... have a public option, and the senators don't vote, and 60 votes are needed here. don't have public option, and the house liberals don't vote for it. these 2 things are so different on the opposite side of spectrums, there is no middle grd. and even if they negotiate as much as they can, saying .. oh well we'll add to it later, the public polls as of last week were 57% against doing anything (Rassumesum poll, the only one I trust), and the number will only go higher b/c now the liberals hate this too, it will be over 70% agn this shitty bill. I mean, this thing is a disaster, a fking disaster. people who are nonpolitical are just seething mad right now, I know people who voted for the marxists who are LIVID!! and this anger is just growing. Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-democrat at December 19, 2009 10:31 PM (ACkhT) ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Pretty much, yes. The abortion restrictions and the lack of the public option (or medicare buy-in) in the Senate has pretty much a large contingent of liberals (and lobbying organizations) beyond fuming. I find it entertaining to go read liberal websites, and they're pretty much in melt-down over the Nelson bribes today. So, even though this bill passes the Senate on Christmas Eve--and I believe it will, unless an ultra-lib is staying silent to buck Reid (which is possible... Feingold voted against the Defense authorization bill today when pretty much all Republicans voted for it)--it's not over by a long shot. Liberals won't accept a bill with no public option, and a bill that restricts abortion, which means Obama's poll numbers will crash when it should be getting a boost.

225 Enoxo, Thanks for explaining this whole clusterfuck and giving me just a lil' bit 'o hope.

226 Glum from Lilliput...

We're Doomed!

It'll never work!

227 225 exono, and isn't one of those 2 house votes a republican, a vietnemese? is this moron still thinking of voting for this? he has to know that public setiment has plummeted even more since he voted for this crap Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-democrat at December 19, 2009 10:33 PM (ACkhT) ~~~~~~~~~~ I've no idea where Congressman Cao (Republican) will stand on the bill out of the conference. It's possible that he will not vote for it if it does not contain Stupak's abortion restrictions--since he is pro-life. Outside of that, Cao was bribed with commitments that have yet to become real, and he indicated that he would not have voted for it regardless if he was the 218th vote (he wasn't, he voted at the last minute and he was 220).

228

enoxo, yes I wanted to thank you as well. I am literally getting hearburn for the last few weeks, b/c I may have to layoff people from my biz if this shit goes thru.

I know many biz that are just hanging on by a thread, barely. If this shit passes, I know they are just packing up, there is no point anymore.

well, gotta go do family stuff now. good night everyone.

229

So, with all this love these Lefties have for Obama, how is that working out for them?

Bottom line: They've joined a cult, especially the educated and "intelligent" ones.

I think African Americans will turn on Obama before the NPR crowd will.

230

Enoxo, the "Ping Pong" option that would have the House bounce the Senate bill back verbatim to them is off the table, yeah?

231 228 Enoxo, Thanks for explaining this whole clusterfuck and giving me just a lil' bit 'o hope. Posted by: RarestRX at December 19, 2009 10:40 PM (rmNST) ~~~~~~ There's always hope until it's over, and we're not even close to being over yet. That said, all indications are favorable for its passage--after all, this is the closest the liberals have gotten to a massive health care overhaul. They're not going to go down without a fight... even if that fight is amongst themselves.

232 233 Enoxo, the "Ping Pong" option that would have the House bounce the Senate bill back verbatim to them is off the table, yeah? Posted by: RarestRX at December 19, 2009 10:49 PM (rmNST) ~~~~~~~~~~ The Ping Pong option considered is where the Senate passes its bill, and the House immediately takes up that bill without ANY changes, and votes for it. And yes, that's off the table. There is absolutely no way Pelosi can pass the current pending Senate bill without changes. It's definitely going to conference committee. How much it's changed in the committee is up in the air, and will determine whether or not the bill can pass in either the House, or get past a filibuster in the Senate.

233 Anything is possible with this bill because the Democrat party owns it completely.
I would put nothing past them to bend, contort and shape this bill to please every Democrat that whines and to then pass it.

234

Enoxo,

      Can't Pelois just by-pass the conference committee and just rubber stamp Reid's bill to give for Obumbles to sign????

235 Enoxo, Can't Pelois just by-pass the conference committee and just rubber stamp Reid's bill to give for Obumbles to sign???? Posted by: Opus at December 19, 2009 11:05 PM (IebeI) ~~~~~~~ Nope. There's no way Pelosi can pass the Senate bill without changes. The votes aren't there for it in the House.

236 Only problem with hoping for Lieberman to vote against it is that after it leaves conference the Senate only needs 51 votes.  It is over folks.

237 240 Only problem with hoping for Lieberman to vote against it is that after it leaves conference the Senate only needs 51 votes. It is over folks. Posted by: UncleZeb at December 19, 2009 11:28 PM (Fgu3H) ~~~~~ That's incorrect. When it comes back from the conference committee, it's an entirely new bill which means it can be filibustered once more and will require a cloture vote (60 votes).

238 I thought I read that only 51 would be needed. Thanks.

239

@78, @199 Bobbo....

You are sooooo not alone.  Many of us have your same basic oreintation,  "history" and background and have been experiencing similar relationship problems with family members and also with (formerly) good friends, co-workers, neighbors, etc., within the past year or so...

Yes, it hurts...but nothing ever stays the same for long. Things will eventually change again.  In the meantime, all you can do is to stand your ground  and be willing to "not rub it in" when some of these now estranged people try to make amends later on. 

Meanwhile, be open to developing new relationships.  There are a lot of quality people out there so be willing to give the new ones a chance. You may find that you don't miss the others nearly as much.  And when the time is right, the old relationships will heal., if it is meant to be...

240

In the dead of night I write:

You'd think I would be a raging, blind, used-car-salesman sucker/lib since my husband died because of an inept doctor who bowed to the insurance company and his own wallet. I could have been a real sob story for Obama's shameless manipulations.

But I have more than a half ounce of sense. I'm not so 'x'ist to blame an entire industry or all doctors for the sins of one. I have the wisdom of having learned through separate experiences that the bad one was a horrible anomaly. I have the experience and wisdom to know that government intervention much, much, much more often destroys or depresses what works. Dems "fix" healthcare? Probably as well as they could restore my husband's life. I blame that doctor, and I sued his ass off.

And my husband died after having voted for Bush, but he never got to see the outcome thanks to fucking Algore. He must be turning in his grave.

241 242 I thought I read that only 51 would be needed. Thanks.

Posted by: UncleZeb at December 19, 2009 11:38 PM (Fgu3H)

There is this "nuclear option", but it would require Reid to either merge it with a budget bill, to call it a budget bill or to say "fuck it, the rules don't apply to Democrats."

I really don't think any of those is likely, so the alternative is a whole new set of bribes when the real bill comes up.

I've said before that the best outcome for most elected Democrats is to be on record supporting the bill and then have it fail.  Just barely.  Due to wascally Wepublicans.  I do think that Lieberman and Landrieu and Nelson and Webb think that they can pull this shit out of the fire at the last minute, with some pretext to object to it.

What I hope these Democrat weasels are finding out is that this is a lot bigger than standard run-of-the-mill pork barrel politics and their voters won't be assuaged by trinkets.

 

242 Meh, I've come to peace with it all.  We're going to be screwed by the Dems and at the end, in a couple of years, folks will not be happy to see the huge unemployment and inflation.

And then they will look for a conservative to swing us back.

But really, my "God Who Walks" is one who actually walked amongst us a couple K years ago, and he would have swept through our congress with a whip and righteous fury like He did the money changers in the temple.

243 Stupid sock.....

244 @78, @199 Bobbo,

I have been around actors musicians and entertainers most of my adult life and so obviously most of my friends and associates are liberals.  I've also lived in foreign countries, Egypt and Switzerland. It was in Egypt where I became political and had various epiphanies about things like Socialism vs. capitalism , cultural relativism, Arabs/Jews, Muslim fundamentalism, and the media (seeing Ayatolla Khomeni's Face as Time's man-of -the-year on newsstands in Cairo got me started - and I never stopped). I've had many debates and discussions with Arabs and anti-American European dolts.

It took me a long time to understand the best way to deal with them.

There are types it is just stupid to argue with. They are not interested in facts or logic. Leave them to their own ignorance.

In the case of when they keep asserting themselves (this is a psychological need they are demanding agreement and they WANT a chance to call someone a racist or whatever) You can shut them up by asking questions and being very thick-skinned. If the exchange takes place in your home, then they in all politeness should not be insulting their host, use that subtly.  Likewise if you are their guest, you should politely and humbly defer and if they get nasty then you can  say "well, if I am a racist to you, you really shouldn't be giving me all this hospitality. I certainly don't invite racists to my home."

Again, don't get angry!

Always get definitions from them. They THRIVE on having a separate definitions for "Republican" "Racist" etc. They LOVE labels...call them on it. What is a racist, how do you define racism? If their definition is broad (how convenient) ask them about certain Democrats who fall into their definition and ask calmly well then does that make Bill Clinton a "racist"?

It is important to let every insult roll off. They are trying to bait you whether they know it or not. (took me a long time to get this)

Asking questions and assuming a neutral stance is very effective. Don't defend...ask questions. "George Bush is an idiot." "Ok, what makes him an idiot?"  "You don't know?" They ask increduous. "Sure, I've heard that before, but what is it that he's said or done, is it the way he talks?"  Etc.  Try to understand the assumptions behind their position and ask questions. Again don't take anything they say personally. Even though they are being unfair and at times despicable, think of them like children who can't help it.

Always get them to explain WHY they believe something and keep asking questions.

Learn logical fallacies. This way you won't be fodder for the rhetoric.  Most leftists arguments are replete with logical fallacies and  if you don't catch them you will have a much harder time and the discussion will get heated which is where you lose/damage friendships.(I don't blame you for getting pissed off - I have many times, but it's not effective).

Do not accept their premises, which are usually false. They often slip them in and if you don't catch them you are tacitly agreeing and you have lost all standing to rebut. Challenge the premise first before you get into the content.

Incidentally there is a very good example of some of this on my website with a video of a discussion/debate on global warming between Lord Moncton and a greenpeace supporter.

Good luck!

245 Shouldn't the ad jokers be put under the banhammer? It's offensive to my sense of humor.

246

Go Galt, conservatives. That's is if you have the guts. My wife and I have spent $0.00 on Christmas shopping this year. But most conservatives love their big screen TVs and other toys more than they love America.

 

247 It's way past time to abolish the Federal Reserve, and boot Bernanke, Summers and Geithner out of the admin.

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