December 01, 2009
— Gabriel Malor Charles Krauthammer kicks Andrew Sullivan up one side of the street and down the other. Sully whined about Krauthammer's "latest" column because in Sully's fevered mind, Krauthammer failed to mention his gas tax scheme because he is "more invested in obstructing and thereby neutering Obama and the Democrats than in solving any actual problems in front of us."
In other words, Sully accused Krauthammer of the type of partisan hit-jobs he's used to writing (and reading over at DKos, I'm sure). For Sully, Krauthammer's omission was all about Obama.
Krauthammer politely explains to Sullivan that he should just fuck off:
If you click on the column of mine that he cites, which he calls my "latest" and which betrays my anti-Obama fanaticism, you will find that it begins with the following headline:Carbon Chastity
The First Commandment of the Church of the Environment
By Charles Krauthammer
Friday, May 30, 2008Note the date: May 30, 2008. A year and a half ago. At the time, George Bush was president. Barack Obama hadnÂ’t even won the Democratic nomination, let alone become president of the United States. The column has absolutely nothing to do with Barack Obama.
Sullivan's entire ad hominem conclusion -- that my views are animated by nothing but the basest, most corrupt partisan motives -- turned out to be a complete invention based on his inability to read dates.
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Posted by: physics geek at December 01, 2009 07:46 AM (MT22W)
Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at December 01, 2009 07:53 AM (dQdrY)
Posted by: HeatherRadish at December 01, 2009 07:53 AM (NtiET)
Posted by: Reggie1971 at December 01, 2009 07:55 AM (b68Df)
Posted by: Monty at December 01, 2009 07:55 AM (4Pleu)
Posted by: Happy Fellow at December 01, 2009 07:56 AM (ktYjH)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 01, 2009 07:57 AM (ZGhSv)
Posted by: dfbaskwill at December 01, 2009 07:59 AM (7Gs5S)
Monty: Well...yeah. It was pretty sweet. But, dude. It's not like he's a challenge, you know? My grandmother could kick his ass. My overweight Aunt Penny could kick his ass, and she has to use a Rascal to get around the local Wal Mart.
Dr. K.: Well, sure, but...he insulted me!
Monty: That's what Sullivan does. Like it's a can-opener's job to open cans. He's one short step away from standing in Times Square, wearing a sandwich board and shouting "Woe!" to the passers-by.
Dr. K.: I get what you're saying.
Monty: Save your ammo for the bigger game, Dr. K. This little pismire isn't worth the stink off your shit.
Posted by: Monty at December 01, 2009 08:00 AM (4Pleu)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 01, 2009 08:00 AM (B+qrE)
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 01, 2009 08:00 AM (ujg0T)
Posted by: SarahW at December 01, 2009 08:00 AM (CSrvi)
Posted by: Cautiously Pessimistic at December 01, 2009 08:06 AM (pZEar)
Can someone, anyone, please tell me why we should even care what friggin Andy says.
1. Some assholes in the media still make him out to be a conservative.
2. The Atlantic publishes his crap and Drudge links to him. They should both be ashamed for enabling him. I have and continue to advocate for high levels of snark directed at them.
Posted by: Mama AJ at December 01, 2009 08:07 AM (Be4xl)
Posted by: FUBAR at December 01, 2009 08:12 AM (ZvKgM)
Can you see me, suckers?
Better than a ghillie suit in urban combat situations, methinks. Sniper, spy, guy who didn't do his homework and doesn't want to be called-upon, what have you.
Posted by: Luke The Lurk at December 01, 2009 08:13 AM (SKtHE)
The comments on K's column are hilarious. He lit a bunch of chimps on fire that work in a factory filling bags with excrement.
Pretty messy. He hit his mark.
Posted by: E.Holder at December 01, 2009 08:15 AM (LhCVS)
He openly brags about his support for increasing taxes on gasoline in this article.
Posted by: Vic at December 01, 2009 08:16 AM (CDUiN)
Posted by: Topsecretk9 at December 01, 2009 08:16 AM (MbyMv)
Posted by: AIDS-related Dementia at December 01, 2009 08:17 AM (ZvKgM)
Awesome.
Also, Rush, in speaking of Michael Moore, just said "his dumbass movie."
It's a good day.
Posted by: Filly at December 01, 2009 08:17 AM (C/yUr)
Posted by: Fritz at December 01, 2009 08:19 AM (GwPRU)
Posted by: huerfano at December 01, 2009 08:20 AM (vtuZz)
Posted by: LAsue at December 01, 2009 08:20 AM (gIrH3)
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at December 01, 2009 08:23 AM (r1h5M)
Although I like the take down of Sullivan I am no fan of the Krautman. He is the quintisential neocon. Hawkish on war and liberal on nearly everything else.
Krautman may not have wised up enough, but I think we are *all* neocons in one way or another. We all start out infantile and naive and stupid (i.e., leftist), then we wise up.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 01, 2009 08:24 AM (ujg0T)
Posted by: pat at December 01, 2009 08:24 AM (Jr9Wl)
Chuckles, we all know that your views are animated by Likud. You should be grateful that Andrew Sullivan considers you to be an independent human instead of the Likud puppet you actually re.
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at December 01, 2009 08:25 AM (PLvLS)
Posted by: huerfano at December 01, 2009 12:20 PM (vtuZz)
Yeah. Tolerant. Accepting. I liked the one about "not a real human being, but a Likud puppet." Though the "Schecky Schlomo Krauhammer" comment was also interesting.
They also seem a bit upset about perceived partisan cheering for failure. Just completely immune to irony.
Posted by: FUBAR at December 01, 2009 08:26 AM (ZvKgM)
Charles Krauthammer's birth name is Shecky Schlomo Krauheimer. Shecky is at the top of the list at the American Enterprise Institute. It is a Neo-Con organization that promotes War against Iran at all costs. It would help Israel expand and that is what Shecky, Bill Kristol, Podhoretz, Kagan, Bernie and Jonah Goldberg Frum and all of the miserable War-Mongers at the Weekly Standard, and Heritage Foundation promote.
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at December 01, 2009 08:27 AM (PLvLS)
Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at December 01, 2009 08:31 AM (dQdrY)
Posted by: Rich Fader at December 01, 2009 08:32 AM (lgYLR)
Posted by: V the K at December 01, 2009 08:32 AM (PLvLS)
Obama' innovation, don't you know.
Posted by: Howard Dean at December 01, 2009 08:33 AM (d7Px0)
Posted by: Techie at December 01, 2009 08:33 AM (wVPwI)
Posted by: GuyfromNH at December 01, 2009 08:33 AM (IQWiJ)
Posted by: Techie at December 01, 2009 08:34 AM (wVPwI)
Some farts should be allowed to dissipate without comment. Just open a window and let them blow away.
Posted by: sifty at December 01, 2009 08:43 AM (15gto)
Posted by: HeatherRadish at December 01, 2009 11:53 AM (NtiET)
Milky Loads can't even apologize without lying. Evidently, he both misread the date AND didn't check the date of Krauthammer's column.
And it's a most embarrassing one. I completely misread the date on one of Charles Krauthammer's columns on climate change and he rightly excoriates me for the error. I'm not sure how it happened, but I assumed, I think, that a piece sent to me in response to the climategate issue was current and didn't check the date.
Posted by: Jazz at December 01, 2009 08:45 AM (hnq5i)
Don't understand why Andrew Sullivan is so bent out of shape with Krathammer. Sullivan hates Sarah Palin because she bagged Todd.
Somehow I think Todd enjoys "going rogue" with Sarah far more than he ever would with Sullivan.
Posted by: bw222 at December 01, 2009 08:46 AM (+QXu3)
In Andrews Sullivan's defense he read the date while bent over a kitchen table getting slammed by his boyfriend.
Posted by: bulwark at December 01, 2009 08:47 AM (jvrmc)
Obama' innovation, don't you know.
That is sooo unprecedented.
Posted by: Robert Gibbs at December 01, 2009 08:47 AM (vtuZz)
Posted by: The Most Interesting Man in the World at December 01, 2009 08:50 AM (sey23)
Posted by: William R at December 01, 2009 09:04 AM (Oc3S6)
Posted by: OregonMuse at December 01, 2009 09:22 AM (6kI9E)
http://tinyurl.com/nx37jn
Posted by: Topsecretk9 at December 01, 2009 12:16 PM (MbyMv)
Sorta like Rush Limbaugh.
Posted by: Beto at December 01, 2009 09:27 AM (+CLh/)
Ditto on that Charlie Gibson dead horse.
Posted by: kathysaysso at December 01, 2009 09:32 AM (ZtwUX)
The comments at the Wapo are hilarious. Apparently Krauthammer is not just a Jew, he's a mean Jew.
On the gas tax thing, it's really easy to conflate higher gas taxes and higher gas taxes that are offset by lower taxes elsewhere, a zero sum gas tax. The former is statist, usually proposed by Dems, and usually tagged by Dems as Republican ideas. The latter is an attempt to apply externality costs, polution, to the source of the externality, gasoline. The execution is everything here but the intent seems solid to me: overall tax revenues stay the same but we tax less things with positive externalities (buying that software via a download vs a CD in the mail) and tax more those with negative externalities, like cigarettes (the argument here is generally all about externalities: smokers get lung cancer and stick the state with their medical bills so higher taxes are needed to offset these costs......never mind that smokers die earlier and don't collect social security).
Same thing on Medicare cuts. Republicans propose Medicare and/or Medicaid cuts to make these programs sustainable in the long term. Democrats propose these same cuts to pay for new entitlements. And then Dems say Medicare cuts are Republican ideas. Cause they're evil and you'd have to be evil to WANT to cut Medicare. It's amazing the Kindergarden level thinking that passes for argument coming from the Dems.
Posted by: EBJ at December 01, 2009 09:34 AM (ocHBO)
Seriously, this could be a medical issue. I think this guy should be pitied and kind of just ignored for his own good.
Posted by: joe at December 01, 2009 09:36 AM (YwBI6)
Posted by: GarandFan at December 01, 2009 09:40 AM (ZQBnQ)
53 - Good points. Krathammer is a neocon, not a conservative. There's a major difference.
54 - "Do not fuck with Krauthammer." Krathammer's statement about Sarah Palin leaving the room on the healthcare debate was one of the dumbest of the year. As the immortal Joe Biden would say, "With three words - Death Panels - Palin had a greater effect on the healthcare debate than dozens of columns written by Krathammer."
The fact that "Going Rogue" just when platinum has to be driving Krathammer and the other Beltway Elites crazy.
Posted by: bw222 at December 01, 2009 09:42 AM (+QXu3)
@24 - Thank you Vic. His treatment of Sarah also left something to be desired.
@32 - Krautman may not have wised up enough, but I think we are *all* neocons in one way or another. We all start out infantile and naive and stupid (i.e., leftist), then we wise up.
There's an old saying; If you're not a liberal at 20, you got no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 40, you got no brains.
Posted by: teej at December 01, 2009 09:50 AM (QdUKm)
"Nevertheless, Mr. Krauthammer, Mr. Sullivan is correct in that you're only interested in blind obstructionism, as blind as your hatred for Mr. Obama."
Nevertheless you showed facts that Andrew was wrong about you being a blind obstructionist, but you still are, because well Andrew said so. Liberal education at its finest.
Posted by: Just Another Poster at December 01, 2009 10:01 AM (NgoAe)
Even if Andy had not completely screwed up the basic facts here, what breathless conclusion does he arrive at?
the conservative intelligentsia is much more invested in obstructing and thereby neutering Obama and the Democrats than in solving any actual problems in front of us.
Get outta here! That sounds like the standard job description of the party out of power. I didn't see much problem solving by the Dems while the Pubbies were in power. (And I haven't seen much problem solving from the Dems since the Dems have been in power, for that matter.)
Posted by: flenser at December 01, 2009 10:02 AM (iF6Mt)
Although I like the take down of Sullivan I am no fan of the Krautman. He is the quintisential neocon. Hawkish on war and liberal on nearly everything else.
Yes, its a bit bemusing that NRO repeats his every word on TV for our edification, as if he's the new WF Buckley.
Posted by: flenser at December 01, 2009 10:09 AM (iF6Mt)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 01, 2009 10:15 AM (plsiE)
Posted by: Andi's Glory Hole at December 01, 2009 10:24 AM (fDWFP)
Posted by: Schaefermeister at December 01, 2009 10:33 AM (I3PNd)
In a sense, it's like a copyright or patent: you have to defend it, at least some of the time, to keep it. In this case, you need to defend your name, at least some of the time, for your sponsors and customers to take you seriously. It would be nice if it were not the case, but wishful thinking doesn't pay the bills.
The thin-skinned appear to be losers, and one always should avoid providing advertising for an opponent. However, even Rush (who is one of the best at managing his brand) decides to mention Olbermann once in a while. It's a marketing necessity.
Posted by: K~Bob at December 01, 2009 10:33 AM (WtrwW)
Posted by: keninnorcal at December 01, 2009 10:39 AM (SDc54)
Posted by: EC at December 01, 2009 10:45 AM (mAhn3)
But the fastest way to irrelevance is the freerepublic route. That sort of "issue purity" crap gave us John McCain on a silver platter. It's also why those of us who are not uppercase-C "Conservatives" occasionally feel like we are caucusing with self-defeating losers. Occasionally.
Oddly enough, it's also why I think Palin is the one candidate the purity goons and the mainstream, non-leftist population can both be happy with. She's confidently non-leftist, and also happens to embody the Conservative ideals of most purists without being obnoxious about it.
As for the beltway elites, who cares about them? Not enough of them to matter, for one, and those same types were behind Bush Senior when Reagan was championing what Bush called "voodoo economics." Of course, they all sing a different tune now.
When it comes to their anti-Palin, elitist bullshit, screw them, and if Krauthammer is with them, then screw him, too. But he isn't "Liberal," and he's worth listening to, even when he is wrong. Just like Rudy, Romney, and even Sir Pawlenty The Bland.
Posted by: K~Bob at December 01, 2009 11:19 AM (WtrwW)
Yes they are like K-man, they are all liberal RINOs.
BTW, you left out Hucktard the pardoning fool.
Posted by: Vic at December 01, 2009 11:22 AM (CDUiN)
BTW, you left out Hucktard the pardoning fool."
I left out Huck because he isn't worth listening to.
As for RINO, you have to be a Republican to be a RINO. I'm an independent, and not a Conservative. I caucus with Conservatives because the left needs to be defeated.
The folks I mentioned, like me, are not Liberals. That much is obvious to any non-leftist. Huck is an anomaly. He isn't a Liberal, but he's not much of a Conservative, either.
As far as I can tell, the Republican party is not in it to win it, so I wouldn't bother joining or contributing to the RNC anyway. I do send money to individual Republicans that deserve it. Sometimes a Libertarian, if he's not too "Ron Paul"-ish.
Posted by: K~Bob at December 01, 2009 12:12 PM (WtrwW)
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