1 Tina Turner looked damn sexy in Thunderdome.

2 What brand of meth are you ingesting, and can I buy some?

3 In which Star Wars did Anaekan and Obi Wan hunt that camelion assassin? It turned out to be a "female", I think.

4 I like Dr. Dealbreaker's speech too. Another thing I like is the Wheel. I always try to read every slice but I think I miss some. I know there's Gulag, Forfeit Goods, Auntie's Choice, Death... hmmm... can't remember any more.

5 kind of obvious, but "johnny the boy" is the man threatening to jump from a building in Lethal Weapon.

6 Another thing I like is the Wheel.

I think Socialized Health Care was on there.

7 I caught these again recently, too. Mad Max is very good. Road Warrior is stupid and massively gay. Thunderdome is knowingly stupid, but not knowingly enough.

Road Warrior seems to be on everyone's "sequels better than the originals" list. Free your minds, boys, and your glutes will follow.

8 So it appears that they've added a Global War, a Nuclear Exchange & a petroleum shortage to the backstory. Did all this happen prior to the events of "Mad Max"?

I always thought Mad Max took place  after the war but before things had disintegrated to Road Warrior levels and the police force Max was on was the last vestige of law and order. Then of course Road Warrior is when everything is chaos. I always hated Beyond Thunderdome and haven't watched it in forever, i'll have to give it a gander to see if it'll change my mind.

9 And isn't the guy who did the Mad Max trilogy the same guy who did the Babe pig movies?

10 I was saying in the other thread it's just wrong they didn't give Max a V8 interceptor for MMBT. Maybe they thought the car was old and played out. But... the thing is, Max doesn't DO anything in the car in Road Warrior except look pretty cool. The only vehicular combat he gets into in it is that dawn race from the oil village... and all he does is get his windshield smashed in and crashed. He doesn't even seem aware of his pursuers. Oh, and the car blows up. Which is important. But... again, he doesn't like tool around in it killing bikers. So by MMBT, the car itself was more or less unused since the original Mad Max. Could have gotten him another car.

11 I was upset when they trashed the interceptor first thing, seems like, in the second movie.  That thing was half the appeal of MM.  Not having it is like Trek without the Enterprise. 

12 Doesn't Max's car get blown-up in Mad Max II?

13

  I know that I'm being "That Guy" when I try to piece together continuity in a Movie Trilogy, but I can't help thinking that the nuclear exchange happened between "Mad Max" and "The Road Warrior".  I don't remember a single reference to fallout or radiation in MM.

  Maybe it was a progressive apocalypse?  MM occured during the initial stage of the breakdown, TRW was during the initial exchange & MMBT happened years later after the Major Powers had gone all "Doomsday Device" and irradiated the planet beyond all imagination?

14 History of the Mad Max Interceptor

15 >>>I always thought Mad Max took place after the war but before things had disintegrated to Road Warrior levels and the police force Max was on was the last vestige of law and order. Possible but I don't think they didn't even think of Road Warrior then. At the time, they were just doing an Urban Decay story in the Outback. Also, what you say might make sense, except that in MMBT they mention fallout. Okay... so if the war took out the Big Players and then Australia just degnerated into barbarism, why'd they get hit by a nuke? Maybe fallout drifting from China? Okay, but why are the cities uninhabited?

16 Okay, but why are the cities uninhabited?

No Juice.

17 My friends and I used to speculate on the build of the underlying car, the motor, and the shifting mechanism.  Seveal people thought it was a form of an AMC which produced a similar vehicle with a giant motor around that time.  Giant.  I think we decided the shifter was some sort of Hurst Verti-Gate.

18

Look at this Verti-Gate.  Brings a smile to my face.

BTW, I know the car was a modified Ford Falcon.

19

Not only were the cars friggin' huge in Road Warrior, they loaded 'em up with armor and all kinds of shit. Definitely would cut down on mpg.

But who gives a crap? We got cable for the first time back in 1982 and this movie was on heavy rotation on the movie channels. Seeing as how I was 11 or 12 then, watching this movie was an epiphany. Awesome flick that still holds up really well.

20 Dr. Spank, Um... well... if you have horses you have transport. Um... which is a good question. Where the hell are the horses in Road Warrior and MMBT?

21

If you've seen "On the Beach" they address the fallout question.  A big nuclear exchange between America & the USSR would have left Australia largely untouched by The Mushrooms, but the fallout would have drifted in over time.

 

As far as the cities in MMBT being radioactive wastelands, maybe there were Secondary Nukes used during the post-war period?  Maybe what was left of the Chinese military tried to muscle in on Australia & the cities got nuked in the process?

 

I don't really know how to tie it all together.  You're right, in that there WAS no underlying mythos for them to build on.  MM was "Throw Another Death Wish on The Barbie", and TRW was "Gay Bondage Porn Bullitt".  I guess that would make MMBT sort of George Miller's way to cash another paycheck & sort of wrap up the story, in a halfassed way.

22 Where the hell are the horses in Road Warrior and MMBT?

They probably went right after all the cows were eaten.

23 It will suck fried monkey balls. It will be directed by Susan Sarandon. It will be a musical written by Perez Hilton. The emo Son of The Humungous will be the villain. Pauly Shore will be in it. Brian Dennehy will not be in it.

24

Well, maybe you can't link eBay pics. 

25 At the end of BTD, the survivors were in a city with very few lights, I guess run on methane.

26

American Movie Classics

Mad Max is AUSTRALIAN.

27   Shit, man.  Australians are just Americans with funny accents.  Right?

28 the road gangs are retarded. The Oil Village clearly only has a GATE. It does not have a WALL. There is no wall. On all the long shots, there is no wall. You can walk into the village from all directions. Except one. The twenty foot span where they have a wall of tires, and a bus for a gate. The road gangs keep coming to that gate, without noticing that fifteen feet over there is no wall whatsoever.

29

The Road Warrior is gay? Well, I did notice tonight that Vernon Wells had a bleach blond cake boy snuggled up MIGHTY close to him on his bike. Then he ripped an arrow out of his own arm and everything was all right.

Who are we to judge, though? Maybe massive doses of radiation would turn most guys into pillow biters with mohawks. Also, didn't see a lot of wimmins in the Outback.

If you really want to see gay, watch Vernon Wells mince his way through Commando. That's truly cringe inducing.

30 russ yah but then why just randomly start nuking australia after the world is pretty much destroyed? Out of spite?

31 The road gangs keep coming to that gate, without noticing that fifteen feet over there is no wall whatsoever.

They did have some dry moats that cars couldn't traverse but, yea, that was kinda funny. When the guy flew over the compound in the copter you could see there plenty of easier areas to attack. That's why there weren't many wide shots of the one-wall fort they were hiding in.

32 I know... I don't get that. They had a decent budget. For long shots, they could have put up, I dunno, plywood walls painted black. No one would have really noticed. They could have afforded 300 feet of 10 foot high plywood and black paint. Eh. One of my favorite movies. I nitpick because I love.

33

The AMC was a Javelin, cousin to the AMX.  Look at the pic.  (An AMX.)  You can see why we had that confused with Max's Falcon. 

One of them had a 390 cu in engine that cranked out nearly 400 hp.  (I could have sworn it was bigger than a Chevy big block, somewhere upwards of 500 cu in.)

34 frankky -- how expensive would it have been to just buy a ton of discarded tires and really make more tire-walls? I mean, sheesh. What are we talking? $2000?

35  Humungus definitely had some radiation damage. His skull had these convulsing tumors that looked like wigged-out nerve clusters. In HD, they're pretty wicked.

36 Um, were they pumping food out of the ground, too? What about tossing in a diseased cow? A bunch of High School kids could figure out how to take that "fort".

37 Guess i'll throw out a movie recommendation since Mad Max reminded me of it. It's not a great movie, it's a B movie at best, but it's pretty cool. It's kind of Mad Max set in a drive in, and it's from Australia, Dead End Drive In. Came out in the mid 80's.

38

Um, were they pumping food out of the ground, too?

Yeah, man, bush tucker.

39 The bikers in Road had Monty Python level, fort storming skills.

40 They did have like three chickens. Maybe they were radioactive and produced gargantuan mutant super eggs.

41 Since we know Hollywood is going to cluster fuck the next Mad Max movie to Mars, why not encourage them to fuse the MM universe with the Terminator universe? Tina Turner is a T1000, etc.

42

The cities could have gotten nuked in the aftermath of the big exchange between the superpowers.  If the remains of post-apocalyptic China's army had turned South & tried to muscle into Australia to try and take over its resources, I could see the same sort of mental midgets who touched off the initial apocalypse deciding to use tactical nukes to stop the overwhelming number (yeah, even after you've nuked half of them, they're still "600 million screamin' Chinamen") of enemy troops moving into their cities.  Since Australia's big cities are mostly on the coast, it would make sense that China or whoever was still around could move in quickly & get a toehold in the urban areas before anyone authorized using more nukes.

 

Hell, I don't know.  I'm just making shit up as I go along.  Like Snake Plissken.  What I do know is that George Miller missed dropping a nuclear cultural reference into MMBT.  Instead of "Captain Walker" being the guy who crashed & left all those kids in the desert, he should have made it "Leftenant Hatton" (the pilot of the "Lady Be Good").  I think that "Captain Walker" was a character from The Who's "Tommy", but going all "old school bleached bones in the Libyan desert" with Lt. Hatton would have been inside joke nirvana.

43 If you listen carefully you can hear the defenders ranting about elderberries.

44 The Wheel :
"Possible consequences include Death, Hard Labour, Acquittal, Gulag, Aunty's Choice, Spin Again, Forfeit Goods, Underworld, Amputation, and Life Imprisonment".

45 Okay, re: food, I think it's easy enough to say this: All of those people didn't LIVE in the fort, the same as villagers do not LIVE in the castle. They live on farms. In huts. They only come to the fort during an attack. Bringing all the food they can move. As the film opens, that's the situation. The village is just the hub of a 200 person rural area, but everyone has retreated to the fortress under attack by the road gangsters.

46 I've always thought the Alien vs Predator movies were blasphemy. But then again, Predator 2 was blasphemy, how the hell do you go from Arnold and his commandos to Gary Busey and Danny Glover?

47 Who's defending their farms?

48 eman: No one is. They give those up immediately as indefensible. Same as the neighboring countryside does when besieged by an army. Houses and farms are abandoned. Only life matters. Once the siege is lifted, they go back home and start repairing and replanting.

49

Dude.....it's GARY BUSEY!  If I had the choice between a bug-faced alien with luminescent blood & a fetish for killing - and Gary Freakin' Busey.........I'd choose the bug-faced one every freakin' time.  Even Chris Walken is scared of Gary Busey.

 

Chuck Norris?  Not "scared", but you'll never see Chuck turn his back on Gary Busey.  Ever.  Gary stays in view at all times.  Just in case.

50 The thing is, the police force in Mad Max doesn't seem to answer to anyone but themselves. If it was just urban decay, wouldn't there be some organization somewhere overseeing it? Things just seem to be too far gone to just be a breakdown of law and order, there doesn't seem to be any kind of government at all that i can remember.

51 Ever notice that Waterworld is the seagoing version of RW?

52 You don't see the huts and farms because no one's in them, and it's not a very exciting movie to watch Humungus set a couple of crude houses on fire and steal some cutlery.

53 There was cannibalism. So they had that going for them. The horses never stood a chance.

54 46, Plus, the Military would have defoliated all of Central America looking for the Predator's ship. Or, prudently, someone would decide "Ok, these predator Aliens make us look like monkeys banging clams together. Let's not piss them off."

55

Well, in the movie they DID mention that the biker trash had only been attacking the refinery for a few days.  Ace might be right, and the defenders retreated into the "tirefort" to defend themselves.

 

I like to think that the refinery defenders stumbled upon the refinery a few weeks before the Humongous showed up, and they were just making a pit stop to brew up some juice on their way to The Northern Territories.  It wasn't a long term stronghold, but they had to shore up the defenses & fight it out with the bikers rather than taking their chances on the open road.

56 An underrated gibson flick imho : Payback.

57 ace, yeah I get that.

58 56, Aye, Lad.

59 koopy, there WAS a government in Mad Max.  Remember the bureaucrat who showed up in Max's boss' office wearing his Japanese Samurai fencing equipment?  The problem is that the "government" was more interested in the rights of the biker trash than in supporting their police force.

60 >>>I like to think that the refinery defenders stumbled upon the refinery a few weeks before the Humongous showed up, Nah. They speak of having a community and there is resistance to giving up their home. They don't treat it as a transient discovery. Further, the Gyro Captain knows all about it and speaks of it as if it's just local common knowledge, not some new thing.

61 "Payback" was on TNT Sunday late afternoon.  I watched part of it, at least until Moses woke up from his nap & wanted to play.

62 Ok, the movie needs to be embedded here so we can watch it together.

63 I think the refinery was something handed down from the ancients, like 4 or 5 years ago.

64 Level of concern for MPG @ between 8-14 yrs: Zero Engine inspired boners: Still get 'em Number of homemade original LEGO Interceptors: Two

65 My favorite part of Payback was the opening sequence. I love how he lifts a wallet, has a nice free dinner, and gets a new gun.

66

Mel Gibson should make the next installment.  It'll be old Max in his last big battle, reluctantly, once more kicking ass for the little guy.  Prolly giving his life saving a village or something.  Great way to go back to the well one more time and kill-off the character.

Plus, with Gibson money backing it up, hooboy.

67 64 Level of concern for MPG @ between 8-14 yrs: Zero

I mean aren't cars with blowers notorious gas guzzlers?

68 All three Mad Max films are on You Tube. The ones I found all have Spanish subtitles though.

69 59 koopy, there WAS a government in Mad Max.  Remember the bureaucrat who showed up in Max's boss' office wearing his Japanese Samurai fencing equipment?

Ah, that's right. Been a while since i've watched it.

70

Or, maybe some of them wanted to make a "home" in a spot where they had all that "juice" at their fingertips.  Possibly, they thought that possessing the only fuel in the area gave them enough power to dictate terms to the trash & arrive at a negotiated settlement.  People get funny when they start thinking that they've only got one way out (sticking with "the juice" and forcing a settlement with Lord Humongous)

 

And the gyrocaptain would sure as hell have heard about a battle occuring at the refinery, even if it was less than a week old.

71 personally, I can't wait for the upcoming videogame which is supposed to take place right after Thunderdome

72 "A man like you -- a QUICK man -- could have a knife down there."

73 Road Warrior and Thunderdome are available for instant watch on Netflix, think i'll go with Thunderdome to see if i like it any better now.

74 I mean, look at the survivors in the Max movies. That's some fucked-up DNA. What happened to the smart people?

75 I don't think you'll like it any better.  The best you can hope for is that you hate it less than the first time you saw it.

76 actually it's "a fella like you -- a quick fella -- might have a weapon under there. I'd have to pin your head to the panel."

77 Based on Bruce Spence's presence in the movie:  I think its safe to assume that all the dentists & dental hygenists were killed in the initial nuclear exchange.

78 72 "A man like you -- a QUICK man -- could have a knife down there."

He calls him QUICK when Max grabs that snake.

79 hmm. I just saw a pen containing camels outside the fort. Answers my horses question. Watching Road Warrior now.

80 67 Hell's yeah. Giant carbs that flush gas like a toilet. I think these are the first movies that I saw with the shot of the intake butterflies opening-- sproing! I also liked the ladies.

81 BTD sucked.

82 he says he's quick several times, first about the snake, then realizing a "quick fella" could have a weapon under the car. Later he says Max has "ingenuity."

83 Apparently SPEED affects Gyro like smoke affects bees.

84 Oh, the way the interceptor went down bothered me.  Some turd in a bucket of bolts hits a nitrous feed and runs it off the road.  I don't think so.  No amount of nitrous would make that overly-large go-kart accelerate like that into an interceptor.  Even if Max hadn't pulled the plunger on the supercharger.  And, I don't recall, maybe they sneaked-up on Max?  Sneaked-up?  In that barren desert?  Where there isn't another person--let alone car--for hundreds of miles?  You'd see anything that moves, because nothing else is moving. 

85 First 10 min. of MM down on Youtube. On my phone. Didn't think that could happen in 1979. No subtitles so far--

86 the v-8 wasn't run off the road, Wez (biker freak) smashed his windshield in with the pipe from semi-trailer, apparently hitting Max in the head, too. The "sneaked up' part is kind of strange. It's not clear if Max was sneaked up on or was just overtaken. If he was overtaken-- well, he was carrying two giant tanks loaded with gas, so maybe he was running slow.

87 Check out the boobs on Red Eye (in the red top).

88 Road Warrior is one of the greatest movies of all time. I do not kid. Seriously. It is a work of art because it is one of the few movies that is entirely honest about what human beings are. Somewhat honorable, often cowardly, shifty, sleazy, sketchy, and capricious with their alliances. In fact, Road Warrior for me has regained relevance, because outside of a few movies like Black Sunday, it is one of the few movies that addresses terrorism honestly and in particular portrays accurately its mind-bending gravitational effects on the normal civilized human psyche. Whenever I hear a Democrat talk about terrorism, I hear the phrase "I'll talk to this Lord Humongous. He seems like a reasonable man." I believe that happened right after Humongous burned the friends of the speaker alive, but it was precisely because of the terror that Humongous unleashed that his potential victim resorted to the argument that Humongous was "reasonable". At the time, I thought the movie's portrayal of how people would act under such conditions was unlikely, but, sadly, circumstances have made me realize otherwise. Road Warrior has "gay" stuff, but that represents, in part, the wholesale post-apocalyptic decadence portrayed in a way that would never be allowed today. It is actually a sort of a throwback to the "gay" Greek warrior stuff in the Iliad and the Odyssey. The petroleum refinery is like Troy, but with a less sympathetic army surrounding the walls of the city. The movie deals broadly with the theme of civilization vs. barbarism, or as Dalrymple calls it, the re-primitivazation of Man. Stuff like the outpost being more easily assaulted from a place other than the sliding bus gate didn't even register for me. It seemed like a reasonably defensible compound for the purposes of the plot. The barbarians attacked the sliding bus only when it seemed to offer an opening for a vehicle. Seems reasonable to me. They were very vehicle oriented. Trying to sneak into even an obvious breach in the walls without a vehicle might be an invitation to get a crossbow arrow in the neck, I would argue. It didn't strike me as a logical lapse like a thousand things bugged me in, say, the wannabe movie Waterworld. They chose gas guzzlers for speed and defensibility. In the fight between a muscle car and a SmartCar, in this case brawn and speed beats brains. The movie makes pretty clear that outrunning your opponents is a survival skill.

89 They're mesmerizing.

90

Giant carbs that flush gas like a toilet. I think these are the first movies that I saw with the shot of the intake butterflies opening-- sproing!

Johnny, when Max pulls the plunger on the gearshift, the supercharger engages--the pulley starts spinning.  No butterflies.  I don't blame you for remembering it that way, though, because every dragster ever seen has three butterflies opening up at the start of the race.

91 caspera, >>> In fact, Road Warrior for me has regained relevance, because outside of a few movies like Black Sunday, it is one of the few movies that addresses terrorism honestly and in particular portrays accurately its mind-bending gravitational effects on the normal civilized human psyche. Whenever I hear a Democrat talk about terrorism, I hear the phrase "I'll talk to this Lord Humongous. He seems like a reasonable man." I believe that happened right after Humongous burned the friends of the speaker alive, but it was precisely because of the terror that Humongous unleashed that his potential victim resorted to the argument that Humongous was "reasonable". At the time, I thought the movie's portrayal of how people would act under such conditions was unlikely, but, sadly, circumstances have made me realize otherwise. I did a parody, using that idea: http://ace.mu.nu/archives/029245.php

92 I remember butterflies opening in either Mad Max or Road Warrior.

93 Ace's comment # 8 at the old post :

Has anyone ever noticed that the town in The Road Warrior has big walls at the gate, and absolutely no walls whatsoever on the sides and rear?

The highway trash would seem to be pretty dumb. They keep coming to the well-defended gate, rather than going to the completely-unprotected sides and rear of the town.

94

Ace, it's been so long since I've seen it, all I remember is the interceptor being caught or rammed from behind.  Didn't seem likely.

I can just hear the creative meeting:  "Okay, we have to separate Max from the interceptor to cast-off the past and for the big climax where he'll be driving a truck, so we'll destroy it.  Besides, his new tribe is the source of his power now, yada yada yada."

95 >>>Stuff like the outpost being more easily assaulted from a place other than the sliding bus gate didn't even register for me. Eh... there are some defenses elsewhere. There's a ditch, a berm, and some kind of barb-wire fence. So perhaps the gate is, like someone said, merely the only place a vehicle can get in.

96 Dr. Spank, Well, it continues to haunt me.

97

I remember butterflies...

Sure it wasn't a super-charger causing the motor to start bucking with power?  Cause the flattened-oval scoop had no butterflies, as far as I remember.  I remember, because I tracked down the manufacturer when I was in high school, because I thought it was the coolest scoop I'd ever seen, and I had this crazy dream of having a car with that look.

98 That other post was funny. Only 8 non-Ace, non-spam comments. Wow.

99 Really, check out Red Eye.

100 not sure. the thing is, I don't really know cars. But I remember butterflies opening -- somewhere. Now the chances I'd see that anywhere except a movie are slim. So, maybe I am wrong. i know I have seen it in a movie I have watched multiple times. I guessed that was Mad Max or Road Warrior; maybe it's another movie with tricked-out cars. I don't even know what butterflies are. I am guessing they are the butterfly-shaped thingees that flip open to allow air-intake. See how little I know? I am forced to guess that's what they are... but I think that's what you mean. So maybe it's not MM or RW, but then it must be some other car-heavy movie I've seen several times, because I dont' watch drag racing.

101

I don't even know what butterflies are. I am guessing they are the butterfly-shaped thingees that flip open to allow air-intake. See how little I know? I am forced to guess that's what they are... but I think that's what you mean.

Yep.  Every drag race you've ever seen has that shot at the beginning of every race.  So we've all seen it a thousand times, even if we don't get into racing tv.

102 I'm officially in love with Carrie Keagan.  And her boobs.

103 i have switched for boobies and see none. Mad Max had two cars in Mad Max, btw. It's possible (my recollection is hazy) he started out with the butterfly-intake type and then switched to the supercharger type. They gave him an upgraded car halfway through the movie to encourage him to stay with the force.

104 Robot Chicken is running their Star Wars episodes.

105

They gave him an upgraded car halfway through the movie to encourage him to stay with the force.

Oh, yeah. 

I'm lucky.  I get to watch the movies again without a lot of the key elements fresh in mind.  It's not going to be like seeing them for the first time again, but it'll be about as close as you can get.  Cool.  I'm always wanting to see movies for the first time again. 

I'm jealous of Dumb-Blonde, one of your commentors.  She hasn't seen Aliens yet.  What fun.  I told her she's going to enjoy that one.

106

i have switched for boobies and see none.

Google Carrie Keagan.  Heh, I just sent her a friend request on FaceBook.  Andy Levy is a mutual friend.  But I'm sure she'll shoot it down.

Speaking of Levy, he says KSM's favorite word is "boobies"; his least favorite, "can't." 

107
You can shut the gate on this one, Maxie. It's the duck's guts!

108 I don't think civilization was continuing to fall as each movie opens.  Max was traveling further into the wasteland with each successive movie.  So, the town in the first movie would still be there throughout the trilogy and Max had just left it behind.  It probably had a security force which would have eaten the 30-50 gangsters in Mad Max 2 for breakfast.

And as for the lack of horses, they were killed and fed to the pigs.

109 MM down! And we now return to our irregularly scheduled program. No butterflies in the scoop--still got excited though. Plenty of big cube exhaust sound always is nice as well. The whine is the supercharger, and the the red knob he pulled engaged a clutch to start it turning the screws. (Two interlocking screws force more air in the motor, scoop helps gather the air). That one was big--huge difference in HP on and off. Hadn't seen it in a while-- thank you youtube on my phone!

110 According to the official timelines I've seen on Mad Max fansites, and despite the opening narration, things still hadn't gone nuclear yet in Road Warrior. Instead, the Outback had been pretrty much abandoned by the government as part of the ongoing slo-mo societal collapse. According to the original script, Pappagalo (the leader of the tire fort tribe) was shown to have been an executive with an oil company who had picked out that well/refinery outpost as a survivalist type retreat. The Seven Sisters logo on the tanker was supposed to have been a reference to a conspiracy theory involving the top seven oil companies pulling strings behind the scenes.

111 Note to self: Do not take role in movie named "Goose". Bad for possible sequels.

112 Gas? You're wondering about gas being precious? What about tires? WTF do they get the tires from? How long do you think tires last in the Outback? A week? And continue to age even not being used? I saw MM when hit cable. I was surprised when RW came out that it was post-apocalyptic. MM was such a clear Death Wish ripoff, but I liked the post-apocalyptic idea better. Liked BTD as well. All three movies are different genres, you know? Revenge flick, action flick, adventure flick. So it only makes sense that the fourth one be a different genre as well: chick flick. Mad Max: Steel Magnolias.

113 Ace, you had a movie quiz a few years go. One question was "Road Warrior: what word was on the door of the 18 wheeler". You should drag that quiz outta the AoSHQ crypt and have a look-see.

Oh, and by the way, yours truly had the first and only correct answer.

114 It's nice to know that, post-apocalypse, there's a band of fashion conscious barbarians with enough time on their hands to fashion elaborate costumes.

x10 for MMBT.

115 When I hit the lottery, I am buying one of the cars.

116 Wow, look at these old people discuss old movies.

The world belongs to the young, so let's discuss movies that matter!  Let's talk about the Star Trek reboot and episodes Episode 1-3 of Star Wars! 

117

One thing that I took away from all 3 movies in The Trilogy:

The Post-Apocalyptic World will prize blue collar artists above all else.

 

  Think about it.  If you're a paraplegic who has wicked mechanical skills, your counterparts will provide you with a cool sling, your own tow truck, and multiple assistants.  If you're a "little person" who can McGyver together a power grid out of pigcrap and baling wire, you'll get your own Giant Window-Licking Assassin to ride on while you make the rounds of Bartertown.

 

  You think that the surviving Forensic Accountants and Regional Sales Managers in this post-apocalyptic hell will get these same sorts of accomodations?  Not bloody likely.

118 In survival situations the person with the most useful skills tends to succeed, baring the standard 10% bad juju factor.  Sometimes when everything is going you way it all hits you while it is at it.

119

I've always thought the Alien vs Predator movies were blasphemy. But then again, Predator 2 was blasphemy, how the hell do you go from Arnold and his commandos to Gary Busey and Danny Glover?

They chose Gary Busey for his fine motorcycle driving skills.

120 I think this is a fantastic thread, and quite spankworthy all in all.

If I had the cash, I'm talking 'Go hump a goat' cash, I'd get me a Pursuit Special for cruising with Elizabeth in some light leather something or another.

It's a double win because 1) I'd be in a Pursuit Special with a blower that would actually work and 2) Elizabeth would be mostly naked.

121 Can't we just get Beyond Thunderdome?

122 If I had the cash, I'm talking 'Go hump a goat' cash pretty sure I'm missing the point, but if I had more Benjamins than cigars to light, I wouldn't be lusting after goats

123 After the Obamaclyse, the partially paralyzed mechanics and skilled midgets will get eaten first. 

124 Sorry man, but THE BEST car chase scenes are in either Ronin, or The Driver.  BOTH beat all those other 'classics' with a pipe.  Lead pipe.  With chains.

Wolf

PS- look 'em up on IMDB.  Worth it.

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Posted by: Russ from Winterset at November 24, 2009 07:44 AM (/MEFr)

I agree with the idea that people with practical skills would enjoy high demand, and that does seem like a real up-side.  However, the MM movies taught me that if there ever is a nuclear war or similar "world ending" catastrophy I hope that the first missile hits me squarely on the noggin.  That kind of hell hole couldn't be worth living in.  Even at the top of the resulting sociologoical pile, things would be so run down, degraded, and dangerous that there would be little or no pleasure in it.  And there's not even a hope for the future to get better, since everything would be poisoned and everybody's DNA would probably be radiation-scrambled.  The kids would all have 2 heads or some such.  And worse yet - imagine how the quality of distilled liquors would deteriorate, if you could even get them!  Adult beverages would all probably taste like pee fermented under a jail cell radiator.  Life would go back to being nasty, brutish, and short. 

 

 

126

One of the reasons I hated "Thunderdome" was the way they grabbed concepts from every George Lucas movie in sight.  The plagiarism was so ridiculous I was sure he was going to sue them.

A thug threatens Max by swinging a pair of jackknives and Max shoots him = the Cairo swordsman scene in "Raiders of the Lost Ark."  Auntie Entity and her desert palace = Jabba and his desert palace.  Master-Blaster was like an evil version of Luke with Yoda on his back, Blaster was a poor-man's Vader.  Max unmasking Blaster and changing his mind about killing him = Luke cutting off Vader's hand and changing his mind about killing him, then later unmasking him.  The Thunderdome arena itself was reminiscent of the Rancor pit scene, including the Master's lament over his defeated "pet."  The tribal children = Ewoks, the way they talked = Yoda.  The most blatant theft was the scene where Max chases some guy through a door and then doubles back, followed by a thousand bad guys chasing him = a scene right out of "Temple of Doom."

This movie didn't have a single original idea in it.

127 It got me into Gamma World at the time. There were also some spinoff type movies; one in which women were handcuffed to a fence to provide energy seems to standout from the adolescence fog.

128

51 Ever notice that Waterworld is the seagoing version of RW?

Waterworld's still better than that abomination that I saw on SciFi once - Raiders of the Lost City.  Rip off Indiana Jones and throw in some GW religion crap, aliens, and tie it all up with an evil Catholic character that wants to cause the world to flood to bring the rapture (???).

129

#117  The world belongs to the young, so let's discuss movies that matter!  Let's talk about the Star Trek reboot and episodes Episode 1-3 of Star Wars! 

w/e.  My summary - Star Trek reboot was okay and fun to watch, even if it made the main characters look ghey and Episodes 1-3 of Star Wars should be destroyed by the direct invention of God (or Zeus, Ra, Cthulhu, whomever your favorite deity is).

130
I like how Russ always treats us to 1400 word posts on shit we already know.

131 OT: HA reporting 34K for Afghanistan.

Good, if it's true.

132 If I had the cash, I'm talking 'Go hump a goat' cash, I'd get me a Pursuit Special for cruising with Elizabeth in some light leather something or another.

I've got a friend who imported a couple of the Falcons.

133 Beyond ThunderDumb shows what happens when Hollywood gets involved.

134 Hindus kill 250K animals today and Inhofe is calling for hearing -- is Gaia crying? (It is raining here)

135 I've got a friend who imported a couple of the Falcons. The boat ride locked in the trunk was no fun, it was no damn picnic when I got here, either.

136 Russ needs to be more attentive.  Ironbar wore the kabuki mask because he was SHORT.

Two standout scenes from the three, both in Roadwarrior.
1) The demolition of the refinery.  No fake subscale smoke and mirrors.  An attentive viewer could see debris falling just in front of the camera.

2) The collision at the end between the tanker truck and Lord Humungus, or actually the collision of the tanker truck and Lord Humungus with Wez in between.  Again, how can one argue with the artistry of debris flying all over the place.

137 Quick side question - am I reading correct that Drudge has Obama's approval per Rasmussen at 45%? If so, that's like, an earthquake in political news.

138 The problem for all post-apocalyptic communes regarding the marauders is that they let the enemy have the initiative.  If there is no hope of relief and no chance that the besiegers will give up, the besieged are screwed.

Feral boy had the right idea.  Tunnel out and randomly kill the marauders and then dash back.  Capture some alive if you can and tie them to the walls.

And scatter caltrops.

139

Jeez, talk about overanalyzing.  It's like this:

(1) Mad Max was a slow B-movie revenge story with bikes.  Nice 3rd feature at the drive-in.

(2) Road Warrior was a kick-ass action movie from the git-go, with the bad guys being crypto-fags and mutants, and the hidden message being "violence works, don't be such a retarded peacenik."

(3) Beyond Thunderdome was what the Hollywood commies thought they needed to do to win the Road Warrior fans back to communism and submission.  Just like Die Hard II had to make the bad guys US Special Forces and the 2nd (or 3rd?) Dirty Harry had to make cops the bad guys.  The Hollywood commies cannot leave us with the message that success succeeds, victory wins and violence is the only thing that works on buttheads.

140 Toby, in a scenario with limited fuel and assets the besiegers are at a disadvantage as logistics not initiative becomes paramount. They simply don't have the tail to stay. Additionally, by attacking a hard point they throw away their advantages - surprise and mobility. Finding them would be very difficult. Sally ports are a good idea, but are a tactic like caltrops. The former being to defeat engineer/sappers/ladders and the latter as a counter-mobility tool. In this scenario, give me a hard point and foo gas, plenty of foo gas.

141

  So the Feral Kid was the "Road Warrior" equivalent to Stonewall Jackson or Scippio Africanus?  Interesting.

 

  I've always wondered why the bikers didn't set up a picket line around the refinery once it got dark.  It didn't take much "sneaking" for Max to slip through their lines on his way to pick up the gyrocaptain & the tanker.  Maybe all the bikers were clustered around the fires because their previous attempts to seal off the refinery had all ended with their sentries picked off one by one by the Feral Kid in the dark?

142 141

Hai, light mobile forces against strong points with lots of burning gas = bacon!!1

143 you say you want a car chase? watch the original "gone in 60 seconds" movie. get it on dvd, skip to the middle. the chapter is called "let the wrecking begin". the first 45 mins of the film is all padding for the car chase that that was filmed in 1974 los angeles.

144

Jean, I always wondered about the logistics for Lord Humongous.  When they bragged "nothing can live in this wasteland" didn't they understand that "nothing" included......a large group of people with no visible supply system?

 

And how much trouble would it have been for Miller to build a trebuchet for the refinery people?  Flaming containers of oil launched skyward would have given them quite a bit of breathing room & forced Lord Humongous to stage his attacks from outside of the range of his PA system.  Epic win on three levels - more difficulty for the beseigers because they would have to attack across a longer "no man's land", a psyop win by silencing Lord Humongous' bullhorn, and epic film sequences of the treb crew zeroing in and destroying targets with walking barrages of flaming petroleum.

145 Better get used to those Mad Max end of world scenarios, ours is coming.

Best car chase scenes; yes either Bullit or the Mustang Shelby GT500 chase scene in Gone In 60 seconds. But what gets me in these chase scenes is the glaring disparity between the cars. In Bullit the 1969 Dodge Hemi has a hard time with a 390 mustang.  LOL, the 390 was an overrated engine, notoriously weak.  The 426 hemi was the 800 pound gorilla of its day.

In the more modern Gone in 60 Seconds roles are reversed. The 427 Shelby cobra Mustang has a hard time with a fucking Auidi.  Give me a break people.

146 We are heading into arfcom zombie board land.

147 Why no black powder weaponry ?
I'm no chemist , but even I can make the stuff .
Lots of black powder rifles back in the day that could have made for a bad day amongst the gay biker clan .
Sharps rifles , google it , you can .
Beats the shit out of crossbows , it does .

148 Wow, look at these old people discuss old movies.

Age and Treachery will always overcome Youth and Vigor!

149 doh!  off sockpuppet!

150 148 Why no black powder weaponry ?
Posted by: awkward davies

Because they're all enviro-hippies who don't want the carbon-dioxide in the air from gun smoke...but they still drive their SUVs everywhere.

151

THANK YOU RUSS!

A thread on movies in a movie thread, praise God!.

To early for me to get talking about movies, but there is only a couple super movies, Casablanca, of course, a close winner over Gone with the Wind for best movie EVAH.

 

152

 

I love the refinery demolition in RW. 

"Oy, think we need more dynamite?"

"Yeah, throw a few more sticks in."

153

Pig crap? Pig crap?! Forget about Mad Max for a minute. Would someone explain dragons to me? I've seen the artwork: Huge winged reptiles flying through the air, sometime as steeds in some mythical rocky, mountainous fantasy kingdom. In every depiction of an open-mouthed dragon, you see all these pointy teeth betraying the beast's carnivorous qualities. And they're always flying over some valley made out of rocks and crystals.

But think about this. Judging from the art, a dragon has to weigh at least 3,000 pounds. Airborne locomotion would require a lot of energy, so I figure that a dragon has to eat about a ton of food a day Â— every day — and, as I've already pointed out, that food would be meat. This means that the herbavorous animals that get eaten by dragons are eating 100 tons of plants and grain every day, but every possible sqaure inch of real estate that could be used for grazing or for agriculture has a castle on it. The realms of dragons just makes less and less sense to me upon any further analysis, so I'll stop.

(Nice On the Beach reference, Russ. That one's a classic.)

154 ...and George Lucas had the whole Star Wars saga written in 1972. Yup, he knew from the start that Leia was Luke's sister.

155 FireHorse, they say that bats & swallows eat a bare minimum of their own body weight in skeeters & other insects every night, so maybe you should increase your dragon's food intake by 50% using extrapolation.

156

. . . maybe you should increase your dragon's food intake by 50% using extrapolation.

I was low-balling the estimates, but you see where I'm going. On one hand, I figure that dragons do a lot less flying than bats or birds. On the other hand, they exhale fire, which would require a huge caloric intake. Law of conservation of energy, y'know?

157

What I want to know is where are all the economy cars in this movie?

Because there's no room for pussy cars in the future. I'm sure you noticed the lack of vintage record shops and hipster coffee bars as well.

158 FireHorse, internal combustion stomaches? Like cows, four stomachs - two for cows and virgin princesses - two for coal gasification. It is the lift to mass ratio that I can't figure out -- their wingspan would have to be enormous and they could basically soar down from the mountains -- but have to walk back up. (This make more sense then the markets right now)

159 AGGGH!


AAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!

I just sat down to watch 'THX-1138' that I snagged on DVR last night, and it's MORE FRIGGIN' LUCAS REVISIONISM with CGI and other crap out the wazoo!

Damn you, Lucas, you insecure bastard!  Damn you and your surplus of money and your deficit of taste and restraint!

You worthless bearded freak! 

You twisted little vermin!

The one film you made worth a crap and you went back and smeared feces all over it!  Bloody hell, will you please poke out your eyes and STOP SCREWING UP THE FEW THINGS YOU MANAGED TO GET RIGHT?!?!?

160

And maybe we'll finally find out why Max is still "Mad" after all these years....(HINT: it's probably got something to do with the JOOOOOOOS).

I dunno; sometimes I'm not as cranked as I used to be.

And, yeah, Road Warrior is one of my all-time faves. I saw it for the first time while recovering from a pretty wicked car accident involving me, my brand new Camaro and some bimbo behind me checking her zits in the rear-view of her Toyota at 60 mph. The carnage in that movie made me feel a whole lot better.

161

Randall #3, Thunderdone leftist? Hardly. Auntie Entity and her crew are the guardians of order, and the movie casts them as about the best hope humanity has to achieve civilisation again. The bad guys in that half of the movie are the union organisers in the pigpoo refinery. Moral: strikes by essential industries are a power grab, and the legitimate authorities may break them by any means necessary.

The only way the movie could follow Ronald Reagan's attitude any more closely is if they'd brought the Gipper himself in for a cameo.

162

The bikes in this movie definitely prove that it was filmed in 1970s Australia. Kawasaki KZ900s, Suzuki GT750s and other Jap bikes were everywhere, and I don't remember seeing a single American V-twin in the whole production. Definitely cool for an afficionado of early 70's rice rockets and "do it yourself" cafe racers like myself.

Yes, the Japanese bikes ruled until early 90s when the Baby Boomers decided to relive the youth they never had and started buying Harleys.  A couple of years ago I went on an  all-girl weekend with friends to a small country town in New South Wales.  During lunch the local pub had a long line of Harleys and WWII BMW bikes parked in front. 

163 FireHorse, there used to be an online review of the physics in Reign Of Fire. Exactly the type of stuff you're talking about. The review doesn't seem to be available anymore, but it was pretty comprehensive, with like, math and stuff.

164

Dr. Spank,

Um... well... if you have horses you have transport.

Um... which is a good question. Where the hell are the horses in Road Warrior and MMBT?

In Australia, horses are in the high country not the desert.  No water.  That's how the early explorers perished.

165

#32 Eh. One of my favorite movies. I nitpick because I love.

Ace, I know the feeling.  I did the same to one of the earlier James Bond films.  My husband did not forgive me for years.

166

Zimriel, I suppose you're gonna tell me Billy Jack was another pro-Reagan piece.

(Funny how we're all about peace, except the only way for the leftists to win over the "rightists" is to kick their asses and kill not a few of them.  Message is always the same: killing is wrong, unless you are killing Republicans.)

167

If the markets made sense, Jean, we'd see the steel companies' stocks in low earth orbit. We have a government that's been harping "Infrastucture! Wind turbines! Update the electrical grid!" and all these take lots of steel. But Nucor and United States Steel have been less than outstanding as investments lately.

Then there's General Dynamics, which I wouldn't touch with a ten-foot pole. Nothing against the company or its products, mind you, but its most important customer (the government) has demonstrated itself to be mercurial, especially regarding defense. I would guess that GD is in for an unpleasant surprise within the next few years, but the market doesn't seem to think this way.

(Say, maybe the Republicans' platform can be Break a deal, face the wheel. This new would apply to everyone — to corporate executives, to Wall Street bigwigs, and especially to people in government.)

168 #79 hmm. I just saw a pen containing camels outside the fort. Answers my horses question.

Camels were imported into Australia in mid-nineteenth century as they were hardy and perfectly suited to the terrain. There are thousands of feral camels in the outback but also domesticated one in the Northern Territory.

169

The Humongous has got to be one of the best Movie Villains ever created.

If all the film villains got together - Freddy Krueger, Jason, the Joker, Jimmy Bond - you know they would pick The Humongous to be be their leader.  Even if you throw Darth Vader into the mix - that pansy ass Jedi stuff ain't gonna scare The Humongous.   He'd make Darth his bitch.  (Darth has always been a sucker for strong men in creepy outfits.)

You think you'd see the Humongous crying and wailing "oh padme, padme, please, I wuv you!!!???"  HAH!  The Humongous laughs at such faggotry!

170 JUST WALK AWAY! (feedback)

171

Randall 168, you didn't address my argument. I guess you're just here to rant?

172

The Humongous laughs at such faggotry!

 

  But REAL faggotry, with the assless chaps, eyeliner & forcible sodomy?  That's all OK in Lord Humongous' book.

173 Okay, Mad Max. It was Dirty Harry set in the Australia. No mention of any Apocalypse except to setup up it's possibility via the breakdown of authority mostly due to it's own surrender. It's really a Dirty Harry prequel, Harry's wife was killed too, showing how a Harry would become Harry.

The Road Warrior. Set very soon after the first movie and the bombs. The Apocalypse results in a hunter/gatherer/scavenger society with a premium set on mobility which allows the greatest range to scavenge. Top speeds allow you to outrun and outfight others. Horses are useless, and expensive, in the desert but yet the Arabs bred and prized some of the greatest horses ever? Why? Speed, Victory belongs to the swift.

The refinery is a recent innovation far away from the scavenging grounds of the burbs still left. Built and maintained with one purpose, to make enough fuel for a long term trip North to possible civilization. But it's far from where any of them are from which is why Humongous has only his fighting vehicles. The tribe in the refinery have abandoned home and brought enough supplies to live on till enough fuel is produced. Months at most, probably. It also explains the minimal defenses. Humongous will only attack with vehicles and is limited to the gate. Anyone coming on foot is within range of the arrows long before they get near the camp. The 2 tribe members sent out to find a vehicle, and captured by Humungous, show the lack of planning. The Tribe was not expecting Humungous and needed a dummy vehicle for the breakout.

About the Apocalypse. Of course Australia's ports were on the hit list. The Russians would deny our Pacific fleet any friendly port. Nuking the rest of Australia is pointless as there is no military value to it.

Beyond Thunder Dome: Worst movie of the 3 by far but has it's charms. Perhaps 10 to 20 years after RW. Society has now started to reestablish itself, crudely. Farming once again, trade producing Barter Town. Large animals like pigs and camels are being bred and traded. There's more back-story on the Apocalypse as society has settled down long enough to start doing the tell again. The kids complete the circle by returning to the cities and building again.

The story for part 4? Can only be one thing. Wasteland punks band together to try to take over the established cities in their infancy. Expect them to look and act like non-muslim jihadis with Mohawks. The city dwellers find a leftover nuke. Will they use it?

174  Pig crap? Pig crap?! Forget about Mad Max for a minute. Would someone explain dragons to me?

Magic. QED.

175

Magic. QED.

But can magic power a car, a truck or a motorcycle? Here's where Mad Max could have presented something more plausible:

We know from Asia's first album cover that dragons are at least semiaquatic. And we also know from Clash of the Titans that large beasts can be held captive underwater. So if the dragons are kept in an underwater jail of sorts and can feed on the fish and what-not that swim through the bars, then the feul of our post-apocalyptic future could be dragon crap. Criminals sentenced to hard labor could then be forced to work in the drying facility.

(Of course, now I'm compelled to accept the aerodynamic principles as they pertain to the owl that Hera gave to Perseus.)

176

tsk tsk ... oh doubters ...

Over-ANALysing can ruin many good flicks.
Take them individually and enjoy them.  It works just fine.

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177 Would someone explain dragons to me?

Hollow bones.

178

Virginia Hey is a perfect example of what sets the MM series apart and above. Here's a damn-sexy warrior woman... actually wearing clothes!!! There is a real sense, throughout the series, that these are just normal folks in a crazy world.

After the tanker truck tips and spills it's "fuel" there's a scene of 4-5 bandits looking dejectedly at it. Cinema gold@! These guys look fairly normal, they're not un-human monsters, they're guys trying to survive. Well, many of the other bandits are monsters, but the point is: that could be you.

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179

You rang?

180

But think about this. Judging from the art, a dragon has to weigh at least 3,000 pounds. Airborne locomotion would require a lot of energy, so I figure that a dragon has to eat about a ton of food a day Â— every day — and, as I've already pointed out, that food would be meat.

Keep in mind that a dragon is a reptile which tend to be cold blooded and very food effecient.

Some snakes, for instance, can go years without eating or spend months digesting a meal. And they are very efficient creatures at turning food into energy, not generally pooping as much as mammals do, and having very low metabolism. Being cold blooded, they also don't use any energy trying to heat their bodies and instead scavange it from the ambient temperature. When not moving they can lay still and practically go into stasis in terms of metabolic upkeep. At lower temps they can even hibernate in a fashion.

Komodo dragons can eat once a month. Captive anacondas have gone as long as 2 years between meals even when food is more plentiful.

181

I'm no chemist , but even I can make the stuff .

Well you can't exactly go to American Science & Surplus and order potassium nitrate.

That would require a whole lot more Expiriments With My Own Piss then I'd care to partake in honestly.

182 Let's not forget the real victim here is Lord Humungus.

183 Just finished up RW. It seems to me that the plot would fit right in as a western, albeit a post-apocalyptic one. Loner comes in, helps for cash (gas) and leaves. A class I took years ago about, of all things, Film Noir & Westerns showed the change of westerns' plots in concert with culture and the economy. "Shane" comes in, helps for free, leaves just as a good deed--later films the outsider helps, paid, leaves or stays. Titles are fuzzy though. RW can't stay as he's just an honorable scavenger.

184 Damn I missed this thread.Ah well.

185 burberry scarf | CD Keys

186 Sci-Fi fanboys might also know her as Zhann, the half-human, half-plant hot blue chick from Farscape. Two roles that inspired an epidemic of carpal tunnel disability in male viewers, IYKWIMAITTYD.

Chiana was way hotter.  BUNK!

187

That was a great series notwithstanding the fact that I'll watch any science fiction that happens by.  The biggest deal about those movies was Mel Gibson.  He was so gorgeous it brought tears to one's eyes.  Judging by the current crop of metrosexuals unmanning the helm in the latest Star Trek, really rugged and good-looking men like Mel, Jeff Bridges or Kurt Russell, sort of John Wayne meets Jeff Gordon, are out of style.  God help this country.  No flags will fly at half mast when Clooney or his ilk meet their makers.

Oh, and Russ, how'd you like the royal gorge-esque chasm in the middle of an incredibly flat Iowa?  West Texas anyone?  Sitting there at the Star in Council Bluffs, there was snickering and more than a few murmurs.  There was also an intuitively obscure silence when the classic 'Vette was deep-sixed into said chasm.  With that car classic NOW, imagine what it would be a couple of hundred years on.  I've advised my better half several times that when Hollywood destroys a Corvette, it's code for U.S. traditions and traditional culture.

188 i just want to say anybody who refers to the second movie as "mad max 2" was never a fan and is an idiot to boot thats the same as calling first blood rambo 1 if you can't remember the title of a movie you don't know it figure it out and call it by it's real name morons, anyway mad max beyond thunderdome is my favorite movie of all time. if they make another mad max movie mel gibson better be in it and playing mad max , having somebody else recast in the role and gibson with some cameo like a-team would totally suck, u mean he is mad max him not in it would be about as close as resident evil extinction , which i think is the closest in five years weve got to another mad max movie.

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