Nebraska should recall the bastard. What a fuck.

Kill all the babies you want, just send my state some more mioney!

So much for the "principled stand".

I can't believe this asshole. I think the teaparty movement needs to start recall petitions on all these scummy senators who have signed on to this crap, at least the ones who AREN'T up this next year.

If the American people are willing to let the government tell them what they can say (hate speech laws, campaign finance laws), how they can spend their money (health care insurance, gambling restrictions, coercive tax code, etc.), and what they can do on their own private property (smoking restrictions, the EPA,etc.),  WHY SHOULD THEIR CONTINUE TO BE AN AMERICA?

Honestly, what is there about our current "democracy" that even remotely resembles a Constitutional Republic based on Federalist principles?

How can anyone argue that we still live in America?  Seriously. 

We're not a Constitutional Republic.  We're AT BEST a functional democracy - our foundation still holds just enough sway to ensure law and order.  However, the principles of personal liberty, devolution of power, private property rights, limited government, etc.  are all DEAD.

What we have here is an irreparable break with the foundation of America.  The only thing to do when you have an irreparable break is to scrap the whole mess and start over from the beginning. 

In the other thread somebody mentioned that the taxes would be collected for four years before the bill went into effect. Could the bill be slowly defunded until it got to the point the bill could be repealed without much protest as nobody is on the rolls yet.?

Who are you kidding? The fix was in months ago. The country is for sale, and the only solution for this is not a pretty one.

Dave,

You smoking dope?  You didn't think this asshole would cave?

He's a DEMOCRAT. 

He just wanted his best deal.

CROOKS ALL.

Anyone here in Nebraska? Can't wait to see how everyone there reacts.

PLEASE recall him. Start the Petition today.

To paraphrase the great Bill Hicks -

"Suckin' Satan's Pecker."

"Suck it, Ben. Go on."

"It's just your pride...Go ahead, Suck it."

"There's a good boy...Satan's got a Big Gift for you."

These assholes would have just Goose-Stepped right into formation in 1942. 

Great...Toonces just has to grab some face time.  Hope he breaks a fuckin' arm patting himself on the back.  I'd bet dollars to donuts that even Barney Frank is tired of watching this guy trying to give himself a reach-around.

At least we were able to forestall this for 16 years (HillaryCare 1993 - 2009).  Think of all the lives that were saved during that time. 

This isn't surprising. "Moderate/conservative Dems are still Dems. They will vote the party line regardless. The silver lining in all this is the fact that Republicans, hopefully conservative ones, will gain enough seats in the Senate to force Obama to deal away some of the worst aspects of the bill.

After 2010 Democrats will have no where near a filibuster proof majority. This means that Republicans can hold bills, judicial appts, cabinet appts, all kinds of things hostage by threat of filibuster unless he plays ball, or effectively turning him into a lameduck president. But this is all based on Repubs having the balls to play in the gutter with the Dems.

It is also based on massive voter registration in Republican precincts and an effective GOTV in those precincts. I have a great candidate in Michael Williams vying to replace Kay Hutchison. I've already made inquiries into helping his campaign.

It's gonna take all of us to make them pay for this mistake. The real work begins now.

Any Supreme Court that lets the Congress completely gut the Constitution with these "deals" made to one state, but not all, will be announcing that there IS no longer a "law of the land".    Or "Equal Protection".   Or the power of Judicial Review, for that matter.  Even a Sotomayor would balk at becoming a powerless rubber stamp.

As for the Individual Mandate --- say what?  Congress has the power to force you to buy a product from a private company, or the government????  Where does it get that power?  The commerce clause allows it to "regulate", but not to FORCE commercial transactions or entering into contracts.

Yessir, it's time to hone the pitchforks, and double-check the condition of our firearms. Our hundreds of millions of private firearms.

Stephen King's

U N D E P E N D A B L E

D E M O C R A T

Can they?

YES. They make the rules.

Hey folks,

Stop bitch'in and complain'in.  Every generation desires an opportunity for greatness, and this is ours.  An opportunity to restore freedom and personal responsiblity to our great country.

We must fight.  First, the Republicans need to stand firm in the Senate and read every amendment and every bill this week and if necessary until the end-of-the-year.  Force the walking KKK corpse Byrd to be hauled into the Senate for every vote in this blizzard that is happening in DC.

If that fails to stop the bill and it is reconciled with House either this year or next, we (conservatives) need to retake to the Republican party.  Elect folks with the balls to fight this crap.

Third, kick statist ass in 2010 and 2012.  If you are not involved, join your local Republican party.  Teach them about conservatism.  Support conservatives.  Stop watching American Idol, get off your ass, stop bitching, and get involved.

You too can make history.  Americans have done it in the past.  Valley Forge.  Gettysburg.  D-Day.  Our challenge is small by comparison.

Scoob

Oh, don't kid yourself.  If Nelson hadn't caved, the Maine sisters would have.  Or some other squish.  The issue isn't whether the bill passes cloture, the issue is who has to vote for it to pass cloture. 

And as others have said, it's not over until we're disarmed or out of ammo.

This all hinged on the 60.  We can also look to the stolen election in MN.  Franken did not win that election - it was stolen for him, just for this.

No doubt about it.  ACORN, et al.

Don't forget the phony conviction of Ted Stevens from Alaska by career prosecutors trying to make a name for themselves in what they saw as an inevitable democrat victory inWash DC.

Funny -- Stevens' conviction comes right before the Nov elections but the fact that it was voided -- At the request of king scumbag Holder himself -- Has barely been touched upon by the LSM.

Then, of course, there's the Blago scandal and the fact that dingey Harry would never allow Burris to take his bought and paid for Senate seat.

Right.

And, I'm going to piss a lot of people off here, but you know who I blame?  Conservatives.  There's more of us than there is of them.  A lot more.  And what do we do?  We sit home and pout like little girls that can't go to the Mall with their buddies.

Because we can't get a candidate that's just perfect, too many of us choose to just sit home.

How do you think these dimscumbags get elected?  Do you really think there's that many dimscum in this country?  No.  It's because too many Conservatives choose not to participate because they're pissed about something or another.

I vote.  I held my nose and voted for McCain.  People in upstate NY should have just shut the fuck up and voted for Scuzzbag, or Scuzzafuzza, or whatever her name was.  At least we could have counted on her 80% of the time. Instead, some unknown mounts a campaign against her and manages to give the seat to a freaking dimscum who breaks his word within hours of getting elected.

I don't blame dimscum.  They are what they are.  They've always been what they are.  And they'll always be what and who they are.  Scum.

I blame Conservatives.

Suck on that for a while. 

Did ya'll forget?  I WON~ REMEMBER!!!!

OsamaHusseinIslamObama 2012'

(the terrorist-Uighur-ACORN-media choice)

-It's never too early to campaign-

_(Sigh)STFU_(sigh)

YOU LIE!

What Fucking Bill?   Where is it?

At least a whore is honest. Give me fifty and I'll fuck you. Nelson is an insult to whores everywhere.

You don't pay a whore for sex.  You pay her to leave when you're done.

Sen. John McCain (R., Ariz.) said Republicans may ask for the manager's amendment, expected to run into the hundreds of pages, to be read aloud in full on the Senate floor, as is permitted under Senate rules.

If Republicans insist upon the amendment's reading and don't give Democrats consent to speed up votes on the procedural motions, a final vote on the bill could take place on Christmas Eve.
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May? MAY!? You fucking idiots, what the hell is stopping you!!??

Scoob is right. But it's gonna take a concerted effort. If we lose hope and sit back and do nothing, then we will get what we deserve.

I was on a strategy call with FreedomWorks and some Tea Party people a couple weeks ago, trust me when I say we are not alone. People are motivated and pissed. And PAC's are being set up to fund candidates, GOTV and issues we care about.

The House Dems will not vote for this plan, its not lefty enough for them and their base is furious whipped into a lather by Kos and Howard Dean .

The question is, once this thing goes into committee and all the juicy lefty Easter eggs are thrown back in, how much support do they lose when it comes back to The Senate again ?

Hey, Uncle Rick, Strawman much?

Every Con I know held their nose and voted straight R. If moderates want to point fingers, they can kiss my ass. I know of a few who voted for the big O.

Posted by: arhooley at December 19, 2009 01:46 PM (GKXA7)

That's what I keep wondering.  Buncha fuckin' assholes.

The Hartford Courant is reporting that Lieberman is in Connecticut.  Who is the Dem's 60th vote???

www.courant     .com/news/politics/sns-ap-us-senate-blizzard,0,6564456.story

The Hartford Courant is reporting that Lieberman is in Connecticut.  Who is the Dem's 60th vote???

Posted by: Stephen at December 19, 2009 01:51 PM (YoO+e)

One of the Maine scrunts I'll bet.

I'm not dealing with tinyurl today.  Figure it out. 

Seriously, where's Lieberman?

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing

Posted by: fugazi at December 19, 2009 01:29 PM (4bvZp)

Don't forget, this is an even worse court (with the addition of the empathetic retard who didn't think that Spanish had adjectives) than the one that allowed the rape of contract law with the Chrysler bankruptcy.

The US is done. This is no surprise. This nation voted for national suicide on Nov 4, 2008. The only way that the American creed will be saved is going to be secession. There is nothing else left. Not only has the federal government decided that it has no limits on its power, but it has become openly hostile to our nation.

There will not be any quiet resolution to this. It's okay, though, because the monetary disaster is likely to hit within the next year and after that it's all over. It will be Sept 2008 redux, but without any money or credit left to buy time with. Good night, Gracie. The run has come to an end - and it is going to be a very, very ugly end, at that.

I vote.  I held my nose and voted for McCain.  People in upstate NY should have just shut the fuck up and voted for Scuzzbag, or Scuzzafuzza, or whatever her name was.  At least we could have counted on her 80% of the time. Instead, some unknown mounts a campaign against her and manages to give the seat to a freaking dimscum who breaks his word within hours of getting elected.

I don't blame dimscum.  They are what they are.  They've always been what they are.  And they'll always be what and who they are.  Scum.

I blame Conservatives.

Suck on that for a while. 

Posted by: Uncle Rick at December 19, 2009 01:40 PM (El8pC)

No, UncleRick, you suck on it.  80% don't mean anything if the 20% count.  Look at McCain Feingold for an example.  Yes, most of us held our noses and voted for McLame (some of us even gave money too), but voting for a Liberal with an R is stupid, if there is a better choice.  Encouraging others to do so knowingly, is even stoopider.

On this issue, you aren't even smart enough to be called Moron.

There's an organization called American Grand Jury (dot org) who is doing something along these lines.  I haven't checked it out very thoroughly, but they seem pretty serious.

#92,

Please realize that there were quite a few Democrats who voted for Palin, err McCain, as I did in 2008.   I wasn't enamored with McCain, but I saw Obama for who he was, a clear and present danger to our country.   I know Republicans who voted for him, and they always think that they are so damn smart about everything.  It figures.   It was my first Republican vote ever (the whole ticket).   So if anything, blame it on an unthinking majority, not any one specific group.

I intend on being a thorn in the side of the Democratic party in the future.

We all need to stop buying anything we don't need. Don't spend one red cent on anything other then the basics. Don't go out to eat, don't go to the movies or anything else. We need to completely shut down economicly. Once the economy really starts to tank then we hit the streets and go after these guys.

We need to march in the streets threatening violence if we don't get our way just like the left does. We need to remind them that we have guns not just puppets.

The left has a plan and they are working on a time table. We need to throw them off balance and start to be proactive not reactive. We need to go after them in their very homes. Make them afraid very afraidof us. 

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at December 19, 2009 02:11 PM (tm15w)

Not in general, but this deal clearly violates the actual spirit of "equal protection" (unlike 98% of the 'equal protection' rulings that federal courts have forced on our nation). Further, if this deal for Nebraska is 'in perpetuity', as reported, then that is an invalid contract (though I'm not sure of the actual language of the Nebraska bribe).

Butr, I just don't think any of this matters. This nation cannot continue, once our federal government has made itself such an enemy of the nation. No one with a brain could ever trust the feds with anything, again. And we already know that our federal courts are totally untrustworthy.

I see nothing but secession. That is the only way to get rid of the self-hating leftist scum and to roll back much of the legislative and legal insanity of the past years. Secession is, in my mind, the last hope for the American creed and individual liberty. Otherwise, this whole world will sink into some of the darkest times ever.

You know whose to blame? All of you, jerks. This IS a socialist country, it has been my entire 45 years of life. I've subsidized your mortgages my entire life, the vacation you took on your home equity loan , your fat childrens lunch and breakfast, the Nebraskan farmer and on and on. When I complained about the affirmative action in the mortgage industry, college admissions, hiring and promotion, you called me racist. When a republican was fired for using the word, "niggardly" you sat on your hands. When the media was relentless with a republican because they didn't want to subsidize the homosexuals, you kept quiet. Etc, etc etc.

Now, now when it directly affects your precious upper middle class life, now it's a problem. Now all these republicans you never defended before from the media, now they're cowards. Now you talk big.

We know the reality though, you'll do nothing except take it like the punk ass bitches you are. You are not loyal. The democrats deserve to win because THAT'S HOW THEY PLAY you pathetic arrogant losers.

I am lower middle class, I have always been and I suspect I always will be. I expect to be unemployed in a year and that unemployment will last probably two years, I won't be able to fully recover before I'm too old for fucks like you in human resources to even consider.

I take solace in this simple fact though, the whole thing is unsustainable and it will fall. You are a wicked people (and sadly I'm no better), this is an unjust country (it always has been), I won't shed a tear for the fall of the American Empire. 

It's my birthday!  It's my birthday! It's my birthday! It's my birthday! It's my birthday!  I'm so awesomely awesome!!   I'm so awesomely awesome!!   I'm so awesomely awesome!!   I'm so awesomely awesome!!   I'm so awesomely awesome!!  I WON!  I WON! I WON! I WON! 

OsamaHusseinIslamObama 2012'

(the terrorist-Uighur-ACORN-media choice)

-It's never too early to campaign-

booting them from office is not enough.. Sold their souls and the souls of all America to line their own pockets. 278 Dems responsible-not the pencil pushers in washington. They've put a bounty on their own heads basiclly.

Every person in the country Start filing the lawsuits. separate lawsuit against each member of congress. Evil to the core. Cosmic payback 1000 fold for every one of them

Hello again,

When I read some of the comments and the varying degrees of despair being expressed, my reaction is:

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor, hell no!!*

They still have to get three cloture votes.  They still need the house to pass it, probably next year unless Nancy tries to call everyone back before the 31st (which I am not sure that she can do).

In other words, it is not over yet.  Keep calling and keep faxing.  It is not over till the fat lady votes.

And even if they do enact this atrocious law, it does not mean that we should crawl into a fetal position.

The American tradition is to fight, and retake our country.  No third party, we just need consevatives to retake the Republican party and find leaders who are willing to fight for conservative principles.  Per Rush, Shawn, and Levin.

We got to stop asking what are our leaders doing.  What are you doing?  Are you a precinct captain?  Have you contacted your local Republican party headquarters and offered to volunteer at the polls?  Canvas your neighborhood?  Make phone calls on behalf of conservatives that you support?  Have you attended local Republican party meetings and expressed your support for the conservatives running for state races?  County races?  School board races?  From my own experience as a precinct captain and team leader (overseeing several adjacent precints), you can make an impact at the local level. 

This is not easy.  Liberals have been undermining our country for 80 years.  But if we work hard we have a chance to take it back for our kids and our grandkids.  As I said, it can be our time for greatness.

Scoob 

*paraphrasing Blutto of Animal House

General Strike.

Seriously.

8 Hope Ben has medical coverage in his early retirement

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I hazard to guess that 1 "unitended consequence" of this will be the continuing good health of the 278 Democrats will hinge on the countinued good health of each person in the country. How many rationed off to die will not go alone and seek retribution? Scary thought for those that voted for this

Posted by: Bye Bye American Pie at December 19, 2009 02:24 PM (GR2vZ)

A good portion of N. Florida would go if Georgia does.

The question is, once this thing goes into committee and all the juicy lefty Easter eggs are thrown back in, how much support do they lose when it comes back to The Senate again ?

Posted by: Blazer at December 19, 2009 01:47 PM (AoS9J)

Yep.  It depends on who's on that conference committee.  Even though the progressive caucus will eat whatever's on the table, the conferees won't be able to resist putting in their favorite goodies.  The problem is that Reid can still pull off the 50+1 nuclear option now.  He wouldn't be able to do it twice, but he can do it once.

The best option now is delay, delay, delay and put the votes off as close to the elections as possible.  It ain't over.

Posted by: Bye Bye American Pie at December 19, 2009 02:24 PM (GR2vZ)

I figure that one or two states would start seeing heavy public calls and rallies for secession (Texas as the likely first - though it should be noted that Arizona Prop 101, which declared that the federal government is not allowed to dictate health care policy to Arizonans, only lost by 0.4% in 2008, before any of this stuff even started) and then other states would join in the call. If none of the states actually schedules a vote to secede, this might remain low-key until the monetary disaster hits and then it would happen rapidly, as we saw with the Soviet Union disintegrating. While we are well on track to a re-occurence of the credit crisis (times ten), there is also the impending Israeli strike against Iran, and the reaction from that will throw the whole world, and the world's monetary systems, into chaos - much of it due to the fact that the world will be looking forward to using the Israeli attack to throw itself into chaos - just think of the world's reaction to the minor Gaza operation, but orders of magnitude worse.

I don't see secession following a simple, organized path, but appearing in fits and starts and finally being pushed to immediate fruition by some external event.

Posted by: arhooley at December 19, 2009 02:34 PM (GKXA7)

And good riddance! Look, I'm no Romney hater. He seems like a nice enough guy. HOWEVER, he also comes across as a political opportunist and that's just about the last thing we need right now.

You know what I smell when I go to the Capitol, Harry Reid?

Sulfur. 

"I don't see secession following a simple, organized path, but appearing in fits and starts"

Look for states going the nullification route first.  Once they dip their toe in the water  .......  Crap & Tax will accelerate it.

No, UncleRick, you suck on it.  80% don't mean anything if the 20% count.  Look at McCain Feingold for an example.  Yes, most of us held our noses and voted for McLame (some of us even gave money too), but voting for a Liberal with an R is stupid, if there is a better choice.  Encouraging others to do so knowingly, is even stoopider.

On this issue, you aren't even smart enough to be called Moron.

80% don't mean anything if the 20% count, huh?

Your Honor, I rest my case.

P.S.  How'd they make out in upstate newyawk, anyway?

Posted by: Terry at December 19, 2009 02:37 PM (Vui52)

I'm no McCain fan, but I can see him doing battle over this. Snowe, not so much.

P.S.  How'd they make out in upstate newyawk, anyway?

Posted by: Uncle Rick at December 19, 2009 02:38 PM (El8pC)

What on earth makes you think Scozzawhatever would have voted with us 80% of the time? Hello. ACORN backed her. She's run on their Working Families Party Platform. It's my understanding that the only real "conservative" concession they got from her in return for putting her on the (R) ticket was that she'd vote for Boehner as speaker next time around.

I asked our GOP Senate source whether, with the Democrats' purchase of the vote of Nebraska Senator Ben Nelson, Obamacare is now a done deal. He writes:

Well, the Democrats have been going around declaring they have 60, but I still have yet to see any new statement from Jim Webb. NRO had a good article on how he's been very quiet about the whole situation.

When Nelson made his speech this morning, he said he reserved the right to vote against cloture on a conference report that had major changes. Now it's possible Pelosi could try to just jam it through the House, but House liberals seem to want a conference committee and Nancy Ann DeParle told lefty bloggers on a conference call this week she thought one was likely.

The other issue is the abortion language. There's a choice between the Stupak language and this Nelson deal, and I'm told they can't really be reconciled. Either way, someone's not going to like it.

And of course, the vote's not until 1 a.m. Monday, so there's still time for more public pressure. Senate Republicans put out a video this morning asking for Americans to help stop this bill.

I take it that we're hanging by a thread.

We all need to stop buying anything we don't need. Don't spend one red cent on anything other then the basics. Don't go out to eat, don't go to the movies or anything else. We need to completely shut down economicly. Once the economy really starts to tank then we hit the streets and go after these guys.

Won't happen.  Ever.  Remember all the talk of "Let's stop watching football and complain to advertisers about Keith Olberman until they fire him"?  Yet every week there's a football thread here. 

Nelson got 100% of Nebraskas medicade bills paid by the fed. The only state in the union that gets that privledge.

 Theres his thirty pieces of silver.

I see bad things happening as a result of this being crammed down our collective throat....this socialism being forced on us

I'm pretty well armed. I suggest the rest of you do the same

All his voice mail boxes are full and his fax lines are all busy.

This guy is a coward as well as a reprobate.

"Nelson Caves".

 i was there once. Arizona ? yes?

Report: Stupak working with GOP to kill ObamaCare after NelsonÂ’s sellout

Over at HotAir.

AIN'T OVER YET

Well a huge chunk of the American people sure stuck it to GWB in the last election, didn't they?  Nevermind that his political career was over no matter what happened.  Perhaps the most collosal example of cutting off your nose to spite your face in American history.

There is no question that this is disheartening, but it's to be expected when the country loses it mind and elects Huey Long Jr. to the White House and gives him 60 Democrat Senators to expedite our ruination.

I know that ridding ourselves of a socialist program has been akin to putting toothpaste back in the tube, but it appears that is the only hope we have left in the future.  Now is the time for the great RINO purge.  They won't be of any use in that sort of task going forward.

The other thing about Scuzzy is, her husband is a union lawyer. Anyone who thinks that she would have voted with the GOP 80 % of the time must be smokin' somethin'.

Posted by: someone at December 19, 2009 02:22 PM (njJQD)

Good; if it causes Hugh Douche Hewitt discomfort I can take an extremely small amount of solace from that.

Kay Bailey has no chance at being TX gov anymore. Screw you, Kay--& all those other bastards in Congress.

I agree Miss80's...Rick Perry is gonna clean her clock. And then clean Bill White's.

Posted by: rabidfox at December 19, 2009 03:01 PM (Zhn8C)

Just be sure to include Lake County in North Florida and we're all good. The libs in South Florida can have Orange County, and most of Seminole, too.

OT:

Has no one noted the fundamental shift reflected in changing the target from CO2 ppm to degrees?  Why, it's as if the Copenhagen delegates understood that the world's climate was entering a cooling phase, and decided to shift the target to temperature in the secure knowledge that the naturally-cooling planet would do the work for them to let them claim a phenomenal victory in a few years' time.

"198 I was watching Harry Reid this morning on Fox until the waves of nausea got too bad. How did this little, weak voiced, squeaky, short, bespeckled, whimpy, oozy, unctous, sleezy, pinched, sallow, skinny, creepy, sactimonious weirdo get elected in the first place."

You know, a lot of people ask the same thing about me, and of course they're racist! 

OsamaHusseinIslamObama 2012'
(the terrorist-Uighur-ACORN-media choice)
-It's never too early to campaign-
  

General Strike.

Seriously.

"This is a lesson: not one Democrat can be trusted. Not one."

As a recovering democrat, I absolutely agree with this statement. They are now all socialists and marxists.  KICK THEM ALL OUT!

Also, I suggest you all try to hit them where it will hurt them the most.  call the DNC and say you wanna donate $$ to them, can you send me some info and a donation envelop.

They will send you a pre-paid envelop, attach them to some phone books and mail it back to them. Each of these costs about $20 in mailing costs to the DNC.

Posted by: mark c at December 19, 2009 03:17 PM (SBIko)

And not even all of Florida. He secured those exemptions for a few blue counties in South Florida only. The rest of us got dick.

They will send you a pre-paid envelop, attach them to some phone books and mail it back to them. Each of these costs about $20 in mailing costs to the DNC.

rabidfox

I'd vote to let OK in.  Probably TN & KY.  AR only if they submit Blanche's head on a pike.  No way NM.  We need a buffer zone.

Posted by: t-bird at December 19, 2009 03:21 PM (FcR7P)"

Wha?? How do you come up with that conclusion?

Remember, kids: the McCain 2008 vote exceeded the Bush 2004 in one region and one region only - Appalachia, hinterland of the self-identified conservative. Self-identified "libertarians" are urbanites: either Bill Maher "sophisticates" or else misanthropic nerds who want to be left alone.

better yet.  put ard 5 phonebooks in a box, they cost ard $4 -5, I've done this 2 times, tape that box up, put your receipt to palin/etc in that prepaid envelop, attach this prepaid envelop to that box, mail it off

Last time I did this it cost ard 26 dollars. the DNC will have to pay it as it is a prepaid envelop.

better yet. put ard 5 phonebooks in a box, they cost ard $4 -5, I've done this 2 times, tape that box up, put your receipt to palin/etc in that prepaid envelop, attach this prepaid envelop to that box, mail it off

Last time I did this it cost ard 26 dollars. the DNC will have to pay it as it is a prepaid envelop.
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Yes! omg

Posted by: Tom_T at December 19, 2009 03:08 PM (uqPgw)

At about 1pm (central time) Barry (not wearing a tie of course) made a brief speech at the White House about how wonderful all of this is. Rush has mentioned for a while that Barry uses an echo on his voice. And I noticed that too. There was no natural way for there to be an echo. Maybe the turd thinks that he gives his voice more resonance.

arhooley:

if you are interested, I know calling these assholes...*shuddering*

202-863-8000
(For questions about contributions, please call 877-336-7200)

ask them if they can please send a donation envelop.   if you have po box address give that to them. I would not give them your real address or name or phone number.

Most of us voted for that pathetic POS. We got incensed beyond beilief, though, when he said things like,

I want to be president of the United States, and I don't want Obama to be, but I have to tell you, I have to tell you, he is a decent person, and a person that you do not have to be scared as President of the United States.

That is the sort of idiocy that led to the Indonesian imbecile. If you want to lay blame for McCain's loss at someone's feet, look no further than McCain and those who enabled his idiocy.

Most of us voted as McCain hostages - we had no choice - and McCain knew that and did everything he could to make our experience as bad as possible and to tell everyone else to feel good about voting for the America-hating, affirmative action pick. McCain was the worst, and to top it all off, he didn't even bother trying to defend his own un-Constitutional McCain-Feingold POS when the Indonesian imbecile was OBVIOUSLY running an illegal donation operation off of his website (accepting anonymous donations since the AVS was turned off for credit card donations).

We all did our job, and even argued for McCain with friends. McCain blew it. He was too stupid to see the risk that America faced with The Precedent.

The leftists didn't do this to us, we did it to ourselves.

Posted by: RayJ at December 19, 2009 03:01 PM (rDhm0)

AMerica declared national suicide on Nov 4th, and McCain kept assuring people that that was okay. TO McCain it was, since he was looking to kill America with Shamnesty, the forerunner of this sort of hostile action by Congress against the American people and our Constitution and national sovereignty. This health care crime is just a shamnesty-type legislative terrorist attack pumped up to immense proportions.

 I like Palin, she made me remember and realise what conservatism is, just like ronald reagan did.   Even though I am pro-choice, I would campaign and fundraise for this woman!

if its mitt romeny, I would in a heartbeat vote for him, but he is not my first choice, hell if mickey mouse was opposite and opposing all this shit going on, I would vote for him!

Posted by: RayJ at December 19, 2009 03:20 PM (rDhm0)

Ok then we do see eye-to-eye; and I share your opinion of the importance of voting.  I was raised that if I had two broken legs it was still my fucking responsibility to crawl to the polls if need be to cast my vote for whoever was the better choice.  In fact when it's a situation where you have two dogshit candidates it's most important that you vote for the least smelliest, in this case it was McCain.

Posted by: arhooley at December 19, 2009 03:34 PM (GKXA7)

yes, please do, that way you don't have to give these jerks your real info.

and insist on getting the pre-paid ones.

I'm so pissed, beyond words at these fucking dems/marxists, I am more pissed them then I ever was at Bush & Cheney! I'm sorry I ever voted for democrat ever!

I will never ever vote for another democrat as long as I live!  EVER!! america-hating scum, all of them!

OT:  I have been on a John Grisham kick lately.  Can anybody recommend the Pelican Brief?  Christmas gift?

The movie kind of sucked.

This isn't over until we say it's over.

Folks, the time is here for some militant conservancy. This shit can be stopped but we're going to have to get a little mean in order to do it.

These idiots in Washington are below reproach. Let's get in their faces and start demanding that they oppose this bill and defeat it now!

No excuses. We do not want this bill nor anything like it.

We're Americans and we like a good fight. Now is the time.

yes

Posted by: Girl Thursday at December 19, 2009 03:40

because our only other option is to roll over and take it.

nttawwt   

This isn't over until we say it's over.

Folks, the time is here for some militant conservancy. This shit can be stopped but we're going to have to get a little mean in order to do it.

These idiots in Washington are below reproach. Let's get in their faces and start demanding that they oppose this bill and defeat it now!

No excuses. We do not want this bill nor anything like it.

We're Americans and we like a good fight. Now is the time.
-----------------

Backwardsboy, I'm with ya.

From Michelle Malkin's site, here is a phone number for the capitol switchboard: 202-224-3121.  She recommended that people "burn up" the phone lines.   I just placed a call and got an operator who asked me what state I was from, and then forwarded me to a voicemail for my Senator that was full.

Anyway, although I couldn't leave a message concerning my displeasure with the health care bill, I helped light up that switchboard.  I will continue to do so today.

 arhooley at December 19, 2009 04:04 PM (GKXA7)

Those pics of Palin on your blog are.....delicious. 

I'm with some of you here that think there is a good chance that this thing could blow up in commitee.  The libs have been screaming all week about it and you know there phones have been burning up up with the kos kids et al. so it should be interesting.

312 Another nail in the economic coffin of the USA.

Recommend stepped-up investment in precious metals:

       Gold

       Silver

       Lead

       Brass

Posted by: demontjoie at December 19, 2009 04:12 PM (rQCNu)

Yeah gold and silver, but not lead and brass,,, that combination is icky and scares me.

OsamaHusseinIslamObama 2012'
(the terrorist-Uighur-ACORN-media choice)
-It's never too early to campaign-

I think the key for the future of conservatism is military vets running for office.

They understand the challenges America faces overseas and understand that at times you have to make do with less than you need. We've seen what someone with a business background in Bush and now a community organizing / academic background with Obumbles.

I have hope when I see people like Allen West and Bill Russell running.

comic relief for a bad day.

http://tinyurl.com/yay8xux

as to the nondrinking family get-togethers.

hipflask. course a girl could get a whole fifth in her purse.

More comic relief for you fellow morons and moronettes...

So, what CAN we do?  How can we push back in meaningful ways?  I have a few suggestions:  (Unfortunately, some math may be required.)

BTW, I like the ideas of General Strike, and Make the Prepaid Envelopes Cost a Pile...these are on (imho) the right track.

Since the media has so much control--crush them by reducing their income.  Cancel the kids' cellphones!  Do they *really need* thier own?  Cancel as many subscription services as you can.  Cancel cable/satellite TV--I'm serious: if only ONE person on the block has an account and shares the info,  times 100K neighborhoods....damn, there's the math....

Vote with your wallet EVERY time you open it, (and keep it closed as much as possible) I personally will pay that little extra by shopping at a 'mom & pop' instead of MalWart, buying items made by companies that are non-union or at least don't support causes I dislike...

Surely we can come up with more ideas!

Will this hurt some of the "innocent?"  Yes, probably.  Like chemotherapy kills more than just cancer cells........Will it be uncomfortable? Yes, probably.  But not forever.

Don't give up.  Never give up. 

We're AMERICANS!  Giving up is NOT an option!

I cannot imagine the Supreme Court going along with this. The commerce clause is stretched as far as it can go. No way can they read it to say the gov't can mandate an individual buy a product.

They've already done it. You have to buy insurance to plate your car. At least in my state.

Now, I don't know if that's a federal directive, but I'm pretty sure most states require the purchase of auto insurance to license an automobile.

I live in Nebraska and relish sending Benny Nelson to hell. I saw him once in a restaurant in Omaha back when he was governor. Walked in with a state trooper by his side and sat down to dinner. If I had known what was coming then, I woulld've pelted him with dinner rolls.

They've already done it. You have to buy insurance to plate your car. At least in my state.

Now, I don't know if that's a federal directive, but I'm pretty sure most states require the purchase of auto insurance to license an automobile.

Srsly - that's your example?  Geez

First of all are not required that you own a car - it's a choice.  With this you have no choice.  The fact that you have a pulse and breath air makes you a criminal unless you pay.

Second of all it's (car insurance) a state issue.

Third it's to protect other people from your 2 tons of steel possibly smashing up them or there shit.

Dark, buying car insurance is sometimes required when you choose to own a car.  No one chooses to have a body, we all get lumped with 'em.

Greg,

Agreed. But you gotta admit with this crowd of losers in charge it's only a short hop and a couple of pages filled with mumbo jumbo legalese to get from requiring car insurance to requiring health insurance.

As for Ben Nelson, I can only apologize. I'll be looking for a place on the ballot that says, "Yes to having Ben tortured by demons for eternity" and I will check that box.

Roadking at December 19, 2009 04:42 PM (/V6IQ)

Perhaps I didn't express myself clearly. What I'm saying is that this group of hobos could easily move from car insurance to requiring health insurance and not even blink. The courts could easily make that a justification. After all, if you're not taking care of yourself, you're depriving someone else of much needed medical care.

That's the mentality we're dealing with here.

Posted by: eman at December 19, 2009 04:47 PM (yf/JJ)

Hahahahhaa,,, I so hope you bitter-clingers nominate Romney or Suckabee in 2012'.  That would be just delicious for me!!

OsamaHusseinIslamObama 2012'
(the terrorist-Uighur-ACORN-media choice)
-It's never too early to campaign-

Posted by: RayJ at December 19, 2009 03:39 PM (rDhm0)

OK, so there are some retards in the "middle" who either weren't happy enough with the Rs to vote for one and stayed home, or picked the empty suit who gave good speeches. And that's a good reason to dump on actual conservatives why? When the vast majority of us voted for McCain, albeit grudgingly, and even argued vehemently with everyone we could get to listen to us as to why The One would be a disaster and it was imperative to get out an vote for McCain.

Look, I know we've all been over (and over and over) this crap before, but the fact remains that we ran the most "moderate", mushy, non-offensive candidate in the field. And the people in the middle (who I would consider to overwhelmingly be the uninformed) either bought the hopey-changey garbage or they weren't worried enough about what Obama was capable of- and obviously weren't all that excited about McCain- and stayed home.

So, please, stop with the crap about conservatives owning this president. Because everyone I know and the vast majority of people I've seen on here and elsewhere did everything we possibly could to warn people about Obama and his cronies and to get McCain elected.

I think a generalized strike-like activity (societal malingering?) has been going on since Obama was elected.  Although I've had a decent year economically, I'm very selective in my spending.  While I think much of the reduction in economic activity is due to unemployment and fear, you can ascribe an alpha of "not giving a shit" to the performance of the economy. 

Charitable donations are down mightily--I hate to be like this, but my attitude is "let Obama take care of (name affliction)" 

That's the mentality we're dealing with here.

I agree since obama used the auto insurance example several times but to my knowledge it that is a state issue and this is going to be federal mandate.

That's a big deal and it's a huge jump.  So I think that that is what people are wondering - can the federal gov. (not your state) require you to purcahse a product simply because you exist.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 19, 2009 04:52 PM (P33XN)

The Wise Potato Chips Latina™ is probably already licking her chops to give Barry a big thank you for placing her extra-wide ass on the bench.

Well, don't forget about Anthony "At the heart of liberty is the right to define one's own concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe, and of the mystery of human lifeÂ…." Kennedy.

It's quite possible the "concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe" requires that the government force us to buy health insurance. 

Merry fucking Christmas, everyone!

Dems: the fun party. The smack in Hollywood is probably flowing like wine tonight. Keep ears perked for o.d. reports as jubilation goes bat-shit overboard. That's just how Dems are... gotta love children.

Come to think of it, this could drive mothers to eat their young.

Posted by: MDr VB1.0 CS1ST at December 19, 2009 04:58 PM (ucq49)

Very good point.

Posted by: GregInSeattle at December 19, 2009 05:09 PM (B5cM9)

It doesn't seem to satisfy any of the normal definitions of 'blizzard'.

1 : a long severe snowstorm

2 : an intensely strong cold wind filled with fine snow

3 : an overwhelming rush or deluge (a blizzard of mail around the holidays)

LOL. Wait until you see the hurricane-like disturbances to come ... But global warming is DEFINITE and we're all going to die!!!

Yeah, and the city owns your land, too; which explains "property tax". Any government has to lay primary claim to your land. The government exists in the first place to defend its turf, and it also claims dibs on how to use it via "Eminent Domain". In short, we are tenants. (And this is how it should be.)

Income tax is what turned us into serfs as well. Once we got the Income Tax, something like this bill was inevitable.

Speaking just Presidential elections, don't forget we're talking electoral college.  In my state, almost 1 mil McCain voters could have stayed home, and McCain still would have won.  It's a winner take all state.

Presidential elections - it's location.  location.  Location.

If Harry Reid is afraid to show this bill before it gets passed, then how wil it stand the light of day.  Every time the language of a bill has finally come out it has sunk the support for Healthcare "reform" even lower.  They are so stupid as to pass unpopular legislation that they will be saddled with owning.

People will begin feeling the taxes on this immediatley, but the true effects won't be felt until after Obama's next election.  (Same with the Stimulus funds that are going to flow to buy voites in 2012.)  The games with the tricky accounting and delayed benefits are shameful.  We need a law that prevents legislators form enacting laws that don't take effect until a future date.  These weasels need to be put in check. 

I heard Olberman say that he'll buy the mandaroty insurance only over his dead body since it woudl go to t private insurance companies.  Sounds good to me. 

If America isn't awake now and aware of the crooks in Washington, they never will be.  

I'm seeing the same function of verbosity, spleen, and general insanity warping an otherwise serious argument into a Singularity Of Crazy. Sort of like the Ricci Flow as applied by Abdul Alhazred.

Posted by: K~Bob at December 19, 2009 05:08 PM (9b6FB)

Posted by: Barbarian at December 19, 2009 05:30 PM (EL+OC)

That is hogwash. Mitch McConnel is one of our finest Senators.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at December 19, 2009 04:59 PM (DIYmd)

There seems to be no limit to Barry's stash of cash.

Posted by: K~Bob at December 19, 2009 05:08 PM (9b6FB)

I suppose that it's a matter of perception. I caught Senator McConnel's comments on the floor of the House, also, and what I saw was a rational, dignified professional who spoke at a thoughful, measured pace, making clear, concise points. Sorry, Charlie,"passionate" hotheads don't impress me

The facts, m'am, just the facts. I can do without the smoke, mirrors and baloney

This is absolutelt incredible. I am reading every site I can find, left, right, center, pro life groups, pro choice groups, THEY ALL HATE THE BILL AND DONT WANT IT TO PASS!

Yet, they will pass it anyway!?

This country is a joke. How can this happen? OK OK I know exactly how it happened, it was just a reflex to ask.

Posted by: K~Bob at December 19, 2009 05:08 PM (9b6FB)

You want passion from a right-winger? Get yourself a right-wing hooker, and pay for it, Personally, I would rather see an honest, candid, intelligent, well informed, articulate and level-headed Congressman

     I can't believe that these 'highly educated' (spit) people would actually sign --as in, vote in favor of-- something they haven't read from beginning to end.  So much for the Ivy League, eh? 

     Or, they're all traitors.  Again, so much for the Ivy League.

"I suppose that it's a matter of perception. I caught Senator McConnel's comments on the floor of the House, also, and what I saw was a rational, dignified professional who spoke at a thoughful, measured pace, making clear, concise points. Sorry, Charlie,"passionate" hotheads don't impress me

The facts, m'am, just the facts. I can do without the smoke, mirrors and baloney"

Screw baloney.  I'm talking about the difference between another wooden, McCain-like performance on the national stage and Obama. The rubes are mesmerized by people who can actually give a damned speech, not by someone who sounds like an analyst.  McConnel is the right man in the right place right now, but he's not a very distinctive voice on the right.

Unfortunately crafty procedural methods and analytical persuasion don't move people.  You may prefer your facts cool.  Fine, but that's because you already agree with the man.

It's all about Obama. They have to show that he passed something or got something accomplished during his first year. That's why they're pressing so hard to get it passed this year.

 Everybody is bending over backwards to make that empty suit look good. It's kind of like, well, reverse racism.

Here's hoping that Ben Nelson decides to adopt some pugs. 

Dogs survive by eating owner

Limbaugh has such a huge audience because he is the consummate showman. If he was a barker at a circus, he could really draw the rubes into the freak show tent, too.

I got your point, though. Newt Gingrich was a very effective politician in the respect that you mean, until the sycophants on his staff swelled his head, and he took their advice.

This whole matter has been most unparliamentary.  Fuyck yoo, Senator Nelson. 

Tea Party is calling for a rally.

Posted by: Gmac at December 19, 2009 06:48 PM (nVnIf)

In accountant-speak and bland analyst parliance, that would be an understatement.

Welcome to the Socialist Peoples Republic comrades!

Good thing we already like vodka!  How much will be the standard ration?

Saw some talk about Romney and Huckabee...

Now, I'm NOT a Huckabee supporter.  NOT AT ALL.  But I've seen enough of Huckabee to know that he would annihilate Obama in a general election.

The guy is a pro-life, socially conservative version of Bill Clinton.  He connects with people - he's empathetic and likeable.  I think he's a big government conservative - the last thing I want - but I do have to admit that Huck is very electable.  Hell, he damn near came out of nowhere to win the GOP nomination.

Huckabee is a fraud and will grow government worse then Bush when he isnt letting killers out to murder cops.

Jeez, when will people wake up.

Posted by: Gmac at December 19, 2009 06:53 PM (nVnIf)

They are going with the American Socialist Superstate, instead.

Jeb Bush had a great run in Florida. Too bad  he's discouraged by the unfair bad reviews that his brother received.

Talk about someone who connects with people, and appeals to lots of factions, and who has great communications skills, and who has great credentials, too. He was one of Florida's best and cleanest governors in the past 50 years, and Floridians know it.. He would clean Palin's clock in a run-off.

As someone who has waited 5+ months to get his GI Bill paid out (thanks to the Post 9/11 imbroglio), I'm not terribly optimistic.  After calling for 2 weeks to try to speak with someone from the VA, I found out that my delay in payment was due to the claims processors not knowing how to process students enrolled in .5 credit increments (I enrolled in 7.5 hours this semester). 

Wait til we have to teach our government health administrators Latin.   

MID AMERICA is Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska, South Dakota and North Dakota.

The new America based on the old Constitution.

General Strike.

Seriously.

Posted by: biff

That is the best of ideas. It's high time to Go Galt. Conservatives always repeat the joke of not being able to demonstrate because they have jobs. How about if they didn't show up? And not just call in, but fill the streets (sans parade permit) and keep the leftards from getting to work also? That would get attention. If it kept up for long enough it would get results. Nothing like the economy coming to a grinding halt to get the attention of those who live off taxes. Frankly, I don't think conservatives will ever take ACTION. Instead they'll rattle on about taking back the Republican Party for the next election. As if the next election is not already fixed. Why do you think the Deathocrats are acting as if they don't have a care in the world? Well, maybe they don't. It's time to hit the streets and raise a fuss. It's time to starve the monster. But, conseratives never will.

Posted by: Jim Tower at December 19, 2009 07:36 PM (mxH3T)

Interesting.

I was watching a program today about suveillance techiques, and about how much they've expanded in the USA since 9/11. NSA  computers pick up, scrutinize and monitor comments like yours, create a file on you and thereafter monitor all of your e-mails and phone conversations.

I'm serious. I'm not exaggerating.

From now on, don't say anything that you don't want your government to read or hear, especially in view of this current administration.

Be afraid. Be very afraid. (maniacal laughter).

#19, #22, #66 - I'm in with you.  We need to find another place to build a City on the Hill, Galt's Gulch.  Anybody got a good idea?

#95 - The French Revolution really kicked into gear when the government went bankrupt.  Might be the event you are looking for. 

For everybody advocating a third party - It's been tried, and it hasn't worked yet.  We all need to get involved with the Republican party at the local level.  That is what drives the upper level of the party, and getting involved there gets us into the conversation.  The precinct and county Republican organizations are where we need to focus. 

I never realized how great America was until I saw other countries.  I've seen war zones, communist countries, Europe.  We need to make America what it can be. 

Posted by: Penultimatum at December 19, 2009 09:47 PM (CIKgX)

Call be cynical, but yeah, right, like that'll happen.

It would be easier to take over part of this country, to drive out the Democrats like the pioneers drove out the indians, and to then start from scratch with a new country.

The Democrats won't stop you from seceding from the Union. They are all pussies.

Without Republicans to fight their wars and to protect them, they will just whine for a while and then appease the new country, paying money to the new country to prevent the new country from attacking them. (Call it a huge tax refund.)

 All Democrats are sneaks, liars, sleazes and cowards. All of them are despicable.

 All Democrats are sneaks, liars, sleazes and cowards. All of them are despicable.

 Posted by: Greg at December 19, 2009 11:55 PM (Cta0m)

"I hate those guys." - Animal House