December 16, 2009
— Ace Yes, I am currently praising Russians for hacking and leaking files that prove Anglo-American lies, and China for refusing to sign agreements with us.
Oh, and also France, for defending capitalism against socialist assault.
China has told participants in the UN climate change talks that it sees no possibility of achieving an operational accord this week, an official involved in the Copenhagen talks says....
The official, who asked not to be identified, says China is instead suggesting issuing "a short political declaration of some sort", but it is not clear what that will say.
My suggestion: "Global warming is so bad bad bad bad we really have to sit down and think about how bad bad bad bad bad it is, at least for a good five or six years."
...Earlier Prime Minister Kevin Rudd said it was possible that there would be progress on other issues such as emission cuts during the next day or so.
"I have a sense that as more heads of government arrive here in Copenhagen, that we will make some more progress. But can I just say, as I said yesterday, success at this Copenhagen conference is by no means guaranteed," he said.
That's what I've generally found in my short career in politics -- the more parties you have at the table, the easier it is to reach fundamental agreement on important issues. (The politics of website management I mean -- no, I'm sure not runnin' for nothin'.)
Yup, that is what I've found.
Meanwhile US President Barack Obama has called for an "operational accord" - essentially a political agreement with teeth that can get countries working to cut or curb their greenhouse gas emissions while a more formal and binding treaty is hammered out in 2010.
"Agreement with teeth." But not an actual "formal and binding treaty."
I have usually thought a treaty or contract was, in fact, an "agreement with teeth," and anything short of that was "just horeshittin' around," but I see now Captain Wonderful has discovered a non-binding binding non-treaty treaty.
It Is With Minimum Regret... that I recommend this piece by Rand Simberg on risk vs. uncertainty and cost vs. regret.
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because the hack politicians who have been pushing this crap sandwich sure aren't going to want to take any blame themselves. For anything.
Posted by: Hatchet Five at December 16, 2009 11:47 PM (jmoRq)
Copenhagen is proving to be an epic disaster the ramifications of which will be felt for years in the enviro-liberal community. If combined with a health care defeat, how does he even show his face in public again?
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U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has announced that the U.S. is prepared to join other rich countries in raising $100 billion in yearly climate financing for poor countries by 2020.
Posted by: Robert_Paulson at December 17, 2009 02:13 AM (+deq6)
This scam has always been about pushing communism and the third world just wanted their cut. Between climaquidick, Nopenhagan, and all the work that the "deniers" have done it should be readily apparent that this is a scam and has been since day one.
Posted by: Vic at December 17, 2009 02:15 AM (CDUiN)
Another crazy item:
Militants in Iraq have used $26 off-the-shelf software to intercept live video feeds from U.S. Predator drones, potentially providing them with information they need to evade or monitor U.S. military operations.
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The militants use programs such as SkyGrabber, from Russian company SkySoftware. Andrew Solonikov, one of the software's developers, said he was unaware that his software could be used to intercept drone feeds. "It was developed to intercept music, photos, video, programs and other content that other users download from the Internet -- no military data or other commercial data, only free legal content," he said by email from Russia.
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Posted by: Drider at December 17, 2009 03:24 AM (aZn+0)
Posted by: John ryan at December 17, 2009 07:11 AM (m0Q2u)
Maybe Israel's government believes in AGW, but I doubt her people are all so stupid. The numbskulls in our govt are buying into every myth they find convenient, from AGW to Keynesian economics, regardless of what people think. What belief exists among normal folks in the US is created by propaganda filled with lies, largely government sponsored. Governments use whatever story suits their agenda. The Nazis sent "scientists" all over the world to find "proof" that all human accomplishment was attributable to Aryans, and they certainly did their jobs well - conjuring up evidence wherever on earth they looked. Who is still fooled now that there is no big government budget propping up that nonsense?
Posted by: Reactionary at December 17, 2009 03:31 AM (xUM1Q)
Posted by: nickless at December 17, 2009 03:37 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Reactionary at December 17, 2009 03:38 AM (xUM1Q)
That's Ob+ama's plan. By it not being a real treaty, he can bypass the Senate having to approve it. He can have the EPA put out some ridiculous rules and defend by claiming the agreement forced him to do it. He protects himself from the Senate rejecting a treaty and he protects them from ratifying a treaty then having to face their constituents with it AND Ob+amacare.
Posted by: Steve L. at December 17, 2009 03:39 AM (Gkhxf)
http://vimeo.com/8023097
Posted by: tawny at December 17, 2009 03:43 AM (KRQQs)
That's it! I am banning the Chinese and Russians from the innertubes, and I shall reveal their Paypal and other personal information.
But only after they buy my calendar! You want a calendar, right?
What about a kindle?
*sob*
Sharmie! Irish Rose! Come here! I need somebody, anybody, to fawn over me!
*sob*
Posted by: Charles Johnson at December 17, 2009 03:49 AM (pwhGg)
Posted by: fluffy, 11B at December 17, 2009 03:56 AM (4Kl5M)
(hide the decline in Russian)
Posted by: ParisParamus at December 17, 2009 03:58 AM (cd0d9)
Sweet Michelle's biceps, the whole world is upside down.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at December 17, 2009 04:00 AM (OkT2m)
"Agreement with teeth." But not an actual "formal and binding treaty." I have usually thought a treaty or contract was, in fact, an "agreement with teeth," and anything short of that was "just horeshittin' around," but I see now Captain Wonderful has discovered a non-binding binding non-treaty treaty.--Ace
As soon as he took office, Obama disregarded contract law usurping the auto industry into a nationalized entity, disregards constitutional separation of powers between branches of government to grant the potus illegitimate rights to spend tax funds without Congressional consideration, and this latest international pose is just another down his slippery slope into global marxism.
Posted by: maverick muse at December 17, 2009 04:05 AM (+CLh/)
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Posted by: Bill MItchell at December 17, 2009 04:09 AM (Gm9rd)
Israel believes in courting international diplomacy;
Saudi Arabia couldn't care less about international popular opinion.
Posted by: maverick muse at December 17, 2009 04:09 AM (+CLh/)
Posted by: ParisParamus
Bravo!
Posted by: maverick muse at December 17, 2009 04:11 AM (+CLh/)
Posted by: Tom in Korea at December 17, 2009 04:12 AM (+gX1+)
First of all, the US will go bankrupt without the budget-busting Obamacare passage (irony anyone?) and then to make matters worse, the earth will burst into flames followed by floods which will drown us all and then droughts which will starve the few remaining survivors.
It's a regular "Straw-man-apalooza"!!
Posted by: Bill MItchell at December 17, 2009 04:12 AM (Gm9rd)
China hums along just fine, thank you, pumping toxic garbage into the air and water.
Stupid Americans keep buying their trinkets; what else are the commies going to do to feed their people?
Posted by: ethos at December 17, 2009 04:15 AM (0fzsA)
"Agreement with teeth." But not an actual "formal and binding treaty." I have usually thought a treaty or contract was, in fact, an "agreement with teeth," and anything short of that was "just horeshittin' around," but I see now Captain Wonderful has discovered a non-binding binding non-treaty treaty.--Ace
Hey, I'm more worried about "agreements". He can make presidential agreements and use the EPA to regulate the country into them. Treaties have to be passed by congress, ratified. He would never get a treaty passed hence he WANTS and "agreement with teeth."
Woodrow Wilson couldn't get the league of nations passed--the US has a long history of not wanting to be anybody's bitch.
Posted by: Glad containers at December 17, 2009 04:27 AM (s+PQ2)
First of all, the US will go bankrupt without the budget-busting Obamacare passage (irony anyone?) and then to make matters worse, the earth will burst into flames followed by floods which will drown us all and then droughts which will starve the few remaining survivors
Tribulation?
Posted by: dagny at December 17, 2009 04:28 AM (s+PQ2)
1) Remember Obama's last "star turn" in Copenhagen, when he rode in to win the Olympics for Chicago? Yeah....Rio's still partying over that one, I hear.
2) It's a weird, weird world when the Russians, Chinese and the French get together to save the world from third world kleptocrats.
and
3) I'll take global warming (or gerbil worming, whatever it is they're agitated about) a hell of a lot more seriously when alarmists like Al Gore and Prince Charles use Skype or Vonage to hold their conferences instead of heading out to some party spot on private planes and/or limos with an entourage. I'll bet the Goracle's carbon footprint for this trip alone is bigger than mine for the entire year....but he's the environmentalist and I'm just some dumb sap in flyover country, right?
Posted by: bigpinkfluffybunny at December 17, 2009 04:38 AM (KWhJd)
It seems like what Obama wants is to give other countries permission to punish the US if we decide in the future not to do what Obama tells us to do now. It's a way for him to make his domestic agenda more permanent, I think.
Posted by: JohnJ at December 17, 2009 04:39 AM (QhemS)
Of course, President B+ can't wait to find another way to spend money, reduce our standing in the world, and insert himself into the front of the line to receive shiny baubles, accolades and prizes. And MEchelle can bring her staff of 35 ladies in waiting along to help her with her everyday needs.
Posted by: Crissy Matthews (hearts Obama!) at December 17, 2009 04:42 AM (hIOnV)
Posted by: Drider at December 17, 2009 04:43 AM (HaJD9)
Posted by: nickless at December 17, 2009 04:54 AM (MMC8r)
It is not a matter of "going to bat for the people". The Russians and the Chinese have had their experiment with communism and they have no desire to get back into the hard communism of the previous years.
Obama WANTS to push us into communism and every action he has done since he took office has been toward that goal.
The Russians and the Chinese have nothing to gain from the AGW scam and everything to lose.
Posted by: Vic at December 17, 2009 04:59 AM (CDUiN)
1-Howard Dean says kill this health care monstrosity
2-The Chinese and Russkies torpedo Nopenhagen
3-The Russkies also show how the CRU assholes faked their data too.
On top of all of that an Iron Man trailer. Great morning!
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Posted by: Drider at December 17, 2009 08:43 AM (HaJD9)
Your point is well made. I don't think I was feeding the AGW fire, but perhaps I should be more generous in this instance. I've just been annoyed by past posts where commentors started citing China as a beacon of free trade and free markets, simply because they're on the right side of a trade issue now and then. People are often too quick to see the good in places beyond our shores, simply because we're in decline here and it's so frustrating. I don't want to go along with the idea that those countries are working out of altruism, concern for the greater good, or truth, justice, and the former American way. They're not. If they could cripple us militarily, bankrupt us, and subject us to their will they would do so in an instant, and have no qualms about it.
Posted by: Reactionary at December 17, 2009 05:22 AM (xUM1Q)
My head just spun around but it didn't **boom** yeah, yeah, it exploded. Release the Krakken!
Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at December 17, 2009 05:28 AM (1hM1d)
Posted by: ethos
Don't ask. Don't tell.
Posted by: maverick muse at December 17, 2009 05:32 AM (+CLh/)
Oh, and also France, for defending capitalism against socialist assault.
Surely the apocalypse must be upon us.
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Posted by: Fritz, waving his Papal hand at December 17, 2009 06:01 AM (GwPRU)
Hedgehog:
4 -Ditherer-in-Chief O'Blamer can't figure out whether to go to Hopenchangen with his Nobel trophy, or to lap NYC in AirForce One, and terrorize Manhattanites again.
Posted by: Son of a Pig and a Monkey at December 17, 2009 06:22 AM (KsxrY)
Posted by: Drider at December 17, 2009 06:32 AM (HaJD9)
This meeting was designed to fail...
in order to set up another meeting next year for all the heads of state, diplomats and others to party it up on the taxpayers dime.
Posted by: Ken at December 17, 2009 06:45 AM (4JpPD)
It's just like when Bush suspended elections so he could remain in office for life.
Oh, wait a minute.....
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 17, 2009 06:47 AM (l1Wlr)
We concur.
Posted by: Phil Jones & The University of East Anglia at December 17, 2009 06:50 AM (swuwV)
Pfft. That we can live with. It's the ones with teeth-teeth that should have us worried.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 17, 2009 06:53 AM (swuwV)
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 17, 2009 06:58 AM (swuwV)
Oh, well then. This just goes to prove, assuming "israel" and SA" believe as you assert, America is as ack basswards as an oppressive kingdom. Why, we ignorant hicks suck. Thank you for clearing this up by dropping your insightful turd.
Submoronic, as usual.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 17, 2009 07:12 AM (swuwV)
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Posted by: Drider at December 17, 2009 10:32 AM (HaJD9)
Amen. Preach on, brother Drider. If ever there were a time to launch a full scale rhetorical/political assault against the AGW crowd, it is now upon us. Any RINO bastard who works to patch up that cracked edifice needs to have all funding and support pulled. We can do better. This is a time of great vulnerability for the warmists, now that they are exposed as the lying, cheating, grant-sucking scum they are. The truth must be repeated loudly and often, to remold the public perception of the issue. Factual information combined with appropriate scorn and derision for the warmists should do the trick. They must not only be proven wrong and accused of their sins - they must be aggressively MOCKED.
Posted by: Reactionary at December 17, 2009 07:34 AM (xUM1Q)
You can actually visit that site without becoming momentarily retarded?
Jesus, I was only there for a few seconds and it was like hands were coming out of my screen trying to pull me into their intellectual void.
I need to go grab a coffee and watch some You tube Regan after that. Christ
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