1 That makes me see red.

2 We've got reality and logic on our side.  They have the media and biggest collection of liars the world has ever seen.  Who wins?

3 I like red.  Sometimes.  But not for pron, don't care for the overuse of the red filter that makes entire frames into red overflow error.  Not cool.

4 2 We've got reality and logic on our side.  They have the media and biggest collection of liars the world has ever seen.  Who wins?

Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at December 07, 2009 09:12 PM (Vu6sl) 

Oh goodness me -- did you really just ask that question?  This Al Gore fellow is a GENIUS!...a lying genius; but a GENIUS, nonetheless!

5 The 'experts' can't explain why there's been no warming which they swore there would be.

How, exactly, are they expert?

6 I think Andy got the message.

7 I would just like to point out that this is the same thing that the base was complaining about during the election re: elitism which was (deliberately by some I think) misrepresented as anti-intellect.  It's not a class, it's an attitude.

If I were a climascientologist, I'd do the same thing:

"Science is about probability, not certainty. And the persisting uncertainties in climate science leave room for argument. What is a realistic estimate of how much temperatures will rise? How severe will the effects be? Are there tipping points beyond which the changes are uncontrollable?"

Play the game of not if, but how bad, and when, etc

8 Are we dead from pig virus yet?  Really sick?  The experts said we would and will be; just like the experts said hetero-HIV epidemic was just around the corner; just like a dozen other lies.

Experts are techincians, at best; being an expert isn't that important.  Being an expert doesn't get you wisdom.

9 It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that gravity keeps things on the ground.  And it doesn't take an "expert" to see when it isn't getting colder; you're models can't even predict the past; and that hide and destroy things when you don't want others to see or find them.

So fuck you, experts.  please go away or die.

10 'Experts' know no limits,
'Professionals' know their limits.

11 One of the big problems for the State Media with the Climategate scandal is that it partially breaks exactly this meme. Previously you have "scientists" vs "oil company flunkies".

Well, now the public has names instead of "scientists". Those individuals seem a lot more like government bureaucrats then scientists.

And the public most certainly knows that government bureaucrats have no problem exaggerating and flat out lying if it helps them gain more influence or cash...

12 If I give you good enough head, do you promise not to pound it up my ass so hard next time?

13 A buddy --science professor-- on my Facebook pulled the same stunt with this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8376286.stm Comment was "skeptics and the science that bebunks them" and that it was "balanced". Gaaaaaaaah!

14 There is a symbiotic relationship between the press and experts -- a major reason to buy what the press sells is that this is the way we, the public, find out what is true, and the press can't just quote anyone as being the voice of truth, it has to offer us the experts who say what is true. Thus the press has an institutional bias to protect the "expert" status of those whom it has offered to us in the past as being reliable experts. To abandon their expert status would both undermine our confidence in what the press has told us in the past, and make it less likely that we will buy what the press offers us in the future. This is not unique to the man-made global warming issue; it is inherent in what the press is. Thus it is not going to change on the climate issue, nor indeed on any other issue; the press will always stand-up for the reliability of the persons it has sold to us in the past as being reliable voices of accurate truth. This is why the internet is so valuable to the people today, because it gives citizens a means of penetrating errors promulgated by the experts. This was first made clear in the fake Bush Texas Air National Guard documents, and we are seeing it again now, in a very fruitful and effective way, in the "Climategate" events.

15 Expert just means you're 100 miles away from home.  The internet makes this status available to all.

16 Who wins?

All the bullshit walks when you have no dollars in your wallet. 

17 If I were a climascientologist, I'd do the same thing:

Posted by: Amused Observer at December 07, 2009 09:15 PM (Uy/AI)

Actually, it is interesting, what would a true climate scientist say about AGW based on the information available?

1) Our models are junk - not only did they miss the current cooling spell, they can't map out the recent past either.

2) There are serious problems with the data we have collected. We have no serious way to account for things like urbanization rendering much of our data worthless.

3) We know CO2 is a greenhouse gas, but we don't know how the past warming and cooling spells worked. It does seem that CO2 was an effect of warming, not a cause and we didn't see an irreversible process as you would expect if CO2 was a serious concern. 

4) We have put a significant amount of CO2 into the atmosphere, but it is very hard to tell if it had *any* effect as any recent warming could have been continued recovery from the Little Ice Age.

5) We do know that the warming trend in the 20th century was not particularly worrisome as it has been warmer in the recent past with no dire results - but we should be extremely concerned about cooling trends. Arguably we should be considering what we can do to raise world temperature in the event that an ice age event occurs again.

I don't see how Cap N' Tax or anything along those lines can be a rational response to what we do, and do not, know.

18 Being an engineer of one of the hard science disciplines, I prefer to do my own science. And the missing greenhouse signature, a product of all the GCMs, that it for the CO2 driven climate models. The rest is just crap recycled.

Did you know it easy to use simple physics and do an energy balance of the earth? And do you know what, it's not warming.

19 First time I've read an article in a non-scientific rag that mentioned water vapor.  Of course the NYT minimized the mention of it.

20 Did you know it easy to use simple physics and do an energy balance of the earth? And do you know what, it's not warming.

Posted by: bill-tb at December 07, 2009 09:51 PM (y+QfZ)

Did you take into account the fact that it's millions of degrees at the Earth's core?

21 I know I'm being the master of the obvious, but cap and trade and global warming and carbon footprints and all this other crap, have nothing to do with saving the planet. They have everything to do with global taxation, control and paying the man behind the curtain.
These idiots think they're saving the planet. They are so arrogant that they believe man can destroy the planet, so they think they can save it. Those people are the sheep being led by the wolves. Action Albert, soon to be UN poet laureate, is, of course, one of the wolves. Who would have thought that a shit eating canine like that could fool so many in the world?  His family tree has borne more nature raping capitalists than tree huggers, but these sheep still look to him for guidance?
I know, I know, Captain Obvious has spoken.

22 Purple Avenger,
   Doesn't it seem like Everyone know that water vapor is the most abundant and influential greenhouse gas in the atmosphere?
   Doesn't it seem like Everyone should know about the fact that the earths' warming and cooling corresponds directly with the suns' activity and not even closely to CO2 emissions contributable to man?
   Doesn't it seem like one would have to count on the utter gullibility of their fellow humans to think they could put over such a preposterous claim as man made global warming? 
   Doesn't Al Gore make Bernie Maddoff look like a three card monte dealer?

23

Is this anything like the 'expert' in California who was the basis for the California Air Resources Board recent (insane) decisions that turned out to have a degree mill PhD? Most of these experts, if they have a degree at all, turn out to be a major in underwater basket weaving or such.

If the damn media in this country would do their job none of this would have gotten this far. Faint hope on my part I guess.

 

24 STERRRRRRRRRNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

25 OT: @10:20pm:

 Drill, Baby, Drill... Even Off-Shore

 from Sarah Palin's Facebook Notes by Sarah Palin

 in other words, now that "Copenhagen" is underway, lets be smart and do the opposite!

26 I think you misspelled sterno. Don't drink that shit.  Stick to valu-rite.

27 Being an expert isn't the be-all and end-all, you know.

After all, I'm an expert in investing.

28

Krauthammer talked tonight about what would happen if Obama really pushed this CO2 thing.

The word he used was "REVOLUTION".

Ya hear that, Ace?

Think about it:  a couple hundred million firearms, almost all in "limited government" people's hands, whatever else they agree about.

Add an armed forces that's the sons and daughters of these folk.

If Obumblefuck wants his Caeucescu moment, he will find it someday soon when he looks out from the White House porch.

 

29 I am a 9/11 Truth Skeptic.

30 Krauthammer talked tonight about what would happen if Obama really pushed this CO2 thing. The word he used was "REVOLUTION". Posted by: effinayright at December 07, 2009 11:29 PM Meh. I don't see it happening. Not over the AGW issue. Too many people in this willfully ignorant country still believe in it. Now, after the Democrats and ACORN steal Congressional some elections in NOV 2010, I can see it happening then.

31 Tree-Ring Laboratory

http://tinyurl.com/yfel8rc

32 Of course, it NEVER works the other way around, right? With those silly Liberals like Bill Maher not understanding it while the Conservatives trot out their experts like Susan Coulter and Rush Limbaugh...the Spin goes both ways on this, no one side is more or less right than the other.  Calling what the "experts" and "skeptics" are doing in this situation is no different that what has been done by the "experts" and "skeptics" in the past. It's a media cycle, only this time a different party is in power.

33 The Smoking Gun At Darwin Zero
http://tinyurl.com/yb4qvpw

34 Expert: The Viscount Monckton of Brenchley v. _{college flunk-out Al Gore}Science researches all facts, all constantly subject to investigation and reevaluation according to the evidence, and research conforms to empirical standards that do no fluctuate within an experiment.

Whereas Scientism is based upon pre-ordained dogma enforced by the greed to own the globe projected by the reincarnated flat-earth society fabricating Newspeak.

While on Gore's ass, make note that Democrats demanded to put that college FLUNK-OUT into the Oval Office, because his lack of education coupled with daddy's power and fortune makes him so much better a puppet than an impudent woman who earned her own college degree attacked by Democrats as non-education.

35 Aside from his accurate perception, that Krauthammer WOULD publicly say "revolution" is noteworthy. He is no rabble rouser, eschewing the like.

36 No one can remain "oblivious" to the global scam. It's gone to the point where the next step enabling the fraud of scientism has no peaceable return to logic.

37 Bajingo,

I must have missed something.

When did anyone ever defer to Limbaugh or Coulter as an expert?

When did anyone in the press ever defer to Limbaugh or Coulter as an expert?

38 In my profession, an expert is anyone who does the same thing you do, but is organized, has slides (or powerpoint presentation) and is over two hundred miles from home. According to many studies, 46.76% of all statistics are made up in mid sentence by an expert. ......(46.73 up to 46.8% depending on which study you're reading....)

39 How about - GLOBAL WARMING SALESMEN?

40

"Bajingo,

I must have missed something.

When did anyone ever defer to Limbaugh or Coulter as an expert?

When did anyone in the press ever defer to Limbaugh or Coulter as an expert?"

Careful.  I smell a troll here, and you might make "Bajingo's" head explode with such displays of fact and logic.

And who the hell is Susan Coulter?  It's Ann Coulter last I heard.

 

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