March 16, 2014
— Maetenloch
The Latest on Missing Flight MH370
So after examining all the data collected so far authorities are now fairly convinced that the plane was deliberately diverted due to human action. This is based on a couple of details:
- The fact that the ACARS system was logged off (versus just being cut off) over 10 minutes before the transponder cut off (which happened right at an ATC handoff).
- Military primary radar returns showing a plane heading west over Malaysia shortly later and making course adjustments and possible drastic altitude changes.
- Satellite hand-shake pings going on for another 7+ hours
None of these are conclusive but the combination is extremely difficult to explain by any other scenario than a takeover by someone.
So based on the strength/timing of the last satellite ping, the satellite footprint, and remaining fuel authorities believe the plane went down somewhere near the two arcs shown below in red. People are referring to the two possible arcs as the Terrorism route (Northern arc) and the Suicide route (Southern arc). [Note that the arcs represent the possible location of the plane at the last ping - not the flight path up to that point.]
The Northern arc is problematical due to the mountainous terrain and large amount of radar systems along all the national borders. So far no country in that area has reported any contacts that might match the plane's flight. And on the Southern arc there are very few radar installations except for Australia's JORN OTHR system which may not have been active during the flight.
More here:
Series of Errors by Malaysia Mounts, Complicating the Task of Finding Flight 370
Map of the constrained area on the Southern arc
The Dumbest John Kerry Statement Ever
Which is a tough call given his long record of arrogant wrongness and his short tenure thus far as secretary of state.
Kerry is never merely convinced of things, he's "absolutely convinced." And almost invariably, he's absolutely wrong.
Kerry is now absolutely convinced that "it's a mistake" for Israeli leaders "again and again" to raise the PLO's refusal to recognize Israel as a Jewish state "as the critical decider of their attitude toward the possibility of a [Palestinian] state and peace." Apparently, Kerry believes that Israel should consider as its peace partner an entity that doesn't accept its right to exist as it is fundamentally constituted.
So in Kerry Reality it's perfectly plausible to be able to make peace with people who won't recognize your right to exist.
Exhibit A is their latest article, "How did Irish Americans get so disgusting?" (link to twitchy).
Gays vs Blacks in DC along with a few other fault lines.
In case you guys don't follow this, Catania is the openly gay councilman, who's been an at-large member of the Council since 1998. He used to be a Republican, but since 2004 he's been an independent.
...Second, and much more importantly, Catania's run explodes the entire DC political equilibrium. White liberals are going to support Catania, while urban blacks are going to support Mayor Gray (or whichever black person gets the Dem nomination).
Architect Sentenced to Year in Jail For Firefighter's Death
An architect was sentenced to a year in LA county jail after pleading no contest to the manslaughter of a firefighter who died while trying to contain a fire in a home the architect had designed for himself.The case dates back to 2011, when a fire broke out in the Hollywood Hills home of a German architect named Gerhard Becker, who designed the building himself. The fire began in one of four fireplaces that had been manufactured for outdoor use but hidden within the houses itself; this means they were in clear violation of local building codes.
The flames then melted a water pipe, which leaked thousands of gallons of water into a ceiling above the heads of the firefighters battling the fire. When the ceiling collapsed, it crushed 61-year-old Glenn Allen, who died the next day of his injuries
Becker allegedly had the fireplaces installed after the mansion had cleared its inspection, writing, "I want this to be installed after the final inspection so we don't have any final delays by the inspector."
And he was less than remorseful after the fire:
Becker was interviewed by fire investigators, but two months after they last spoke to him, he broke the lease on his home, sold two vehicles and flew to Switzerland and then Spain, where he began to build another luxury home. There he set up construction companies in the name of his wife, a yoga instructor, investigators said.
BBC Censors the Word 'Jesus' From Song Lyrics
BBC management banned singer Eliza Doolittle from using the word 'Jesus' in a performance of her love song 'Walking on Water'. She was forced to change the lyric from "Sometimes I wish I was Jesus, I'd get my Air Max on and run across the sea for you" to "Sometimes I wish it was easy..." when she appeared on the Chris Evans Breakfast Show on Radio 2.
...This is the second instance of politically correct censorship on the BBC in just one week. On Thursday it was also forced to defend a decision to postpone a discussion on BBC Three's 'Free Speech' show about being gay and Muslim.
20 Things Men Over 30 Should Never Wear
Well a lot of these are not recommended for any age.
12. Skull jewelry when you are not in fact a sorcerer.
Weekly Commenter Standings
Top 10 commenters:
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Top 10 sockpuppeteers:
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The group. Yeah.
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I wonder if someone is planning on turning that airplane into an IED.
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Posted by: The Political Hat at March 16, 2014 10:45 PM (AymDN)
I usually run the script every Sunday at 6pm EST and it looks for all comments made in the previous 7 days.
Posted by: Mætenloch at March 16, 2014 06:48 PM (XkotV)
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Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 16, 2014 06:51 PM (Utuaz)
Posted by: Conservative Crank at March 16, 2014 06:51 PM (sQ0LB)
Tree. Woods. Who cares?
Posted by: AD at March 16, 2014 06:51 PM (bN3zc)
Posted by: The Questioning Hat at March 16, 2014 10:46 PM (AymDN)
No they know from the last ping that it was somewhere along the arcs. Even if it had immediately changed directions at that point, it couldn't have gone very far away from it before running out of fuel.
Posted by: Mætenloch at March 16, 2014 06:51 PM (XkotV)
That's actually a good thing. Otherwise, skidmarks in space suit.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at March 16, 2014 06:52 PM (0AKks)
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Posted by: cm9000
yeah but was a window of about ten days.
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 16, 2014 10:50 PM (rDidD)
That would be ten great days.
Posted by: cm9000 at March 16, 2014 06:57 PM (291hy)
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Posted by: rickl at March 16, 2014 07:00 PM (sdi6R)
I'd say the chances of you having to repeat those exact words within days or weeks are extremely high.
Posted by: GnuBreed at March 16, 2014 07:00 PM (cHZB7)
Posted by: NCKate at March 16, 2014 07:00 PM (y7PFk)
The guy in the picture looked more like he was wearing a blanket rather than a cape. He looked like a very well groomed homeless person.
Posted by: Epobirs at March 16, 2014 07:00 PM (bPxS6)
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Posted by: The Phantom ie "The Ghost Who Walks" at March 16, 2014 07:02 PM (WlWt+)
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (tablet) at March 16, 2014 07:03 PM (HDwDg)
https://twitter.com/jonostrower
I've been following him since his blogging days and now he's the Boeing beat writer for WSJ. It's been a busy few days for him and his twitter feed shows it.
Posted by: Fritz (not Fritz) at March 16, 2014 07:03 PM (U0t2o)
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Posted by: cthulhu at March 16, 2014 07:03 PM (T1005)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 16, 2014 07:03 PM (HVff2)
Kitty Gaga?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 16, 2014 07:03 PM (drDeB)
Posted by: The Political Hat at March 16, 2014 07:04 PM (AymDN)
N_O_N_E Posted by: Smart Military Blog at March 16, 2014 10:57 PM (fHhk+) Hide posts from (fHhk+)
Well, there is a kitty what is very interested in the photographer.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 16, 2014 07:04 PM (T1005)
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Posted by: Judge Roy Bean at March 16, 2014 07:05 PM (cCxiu)
Best thing about that movie was the 7-11 promotion that gave one of those rings with a Big Gulp. I'm sure I've got it in some drawer around here.
Posted by: Epobirs at March 16, 2014 07:05 PM (bPxS6)
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Posted by: Carol at March 16, 2014 07:06 PM (gjOCp)
Wasn't me.
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Posted by: eman at March 16, 2014 07:10 PM (AO9UG)
Posted by: Tuna at March 16, 2014 07:10 PM (M/TDA)
OTOH, I try to find the most understated sneakers/trainers/running shoes I can. Most of the time when I'm working in a more formal setting, my shoes don't attract any notice unless someone looks very closely.
Posted by: Epobirs at March 16, 2014 07:10 PM (bPxS6)
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Posted by: DC in Towson at March 16, 2014 07:12 PM (4d0wu)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at March 16, 2014 07:12 PM (g4TxM)
Time to freak, Money B gets to it,
Not a heavyweight, but I go twelve rounds,
With a jab and a stick, I'm goin' lick for lick, so
Give me the helmet, I'll be the stunt man.
Just relax, and I won't front.
Like Anita, I'm givin' you the best that I've got,
And I'll be takin' it slow, never missin' a spot
Yes, caressing your back we're chest to chest she's kissing on my freckles.
I nibbled around your ears before I suck upon your neck.
'Oh Money B,' yeah, that's what you'll be screamin' and creamin'
But it's not a wet dream, it's the real
The freaky dog, dark nasty, never lettin' a kitty-cat get past me,
Without picking it up, pettin' it, teasin' it,
Takin' it on home and pleasin' it
Posted by: MAx at March 16, 2014 07:12 PM (b7yum)
Posted by: Conservative Crank at March 16, 2014 07:12 PM (sQ0LB)
Posted by: Lauren at March 16, 2014 07:13 PM (hFL/3)
I dunno - Bogart wore a fedora pretty darn well - partly because he wasn't wearing one "ironically." It was just an everyday part of most men's wardrobe in those days. My dad was still wearing hats in the 70's - he didn't care if they were "in" or not.
I still remember when the church we attended had these metal clip thingees on the pews, so men could hang their hats during mass, rather than putting them next to their seat and taking up space.
Posted by: Donna and V. (no ampersand) at March 16, 2014 07:13 PM (R3gO3)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 16, 2014 07:13 PM (ojnk6)
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Posted by: rickl at March 16, 2014 07:13 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 16, 2014 07:13 PM (rDidD)
Everyone looks good in a Fedora.
And how can a grown man NOT look good in a duster??? Be still, my fluttering..... heart.
DC, I am compiling a list of [strikethrough]demands[/strikethrough] suggestions as to how Thor and I might share a residence again, and I want to know if it's reasonable.
He called last night and said it's time for me to come home. (Or more accurately LEAVE my home and go to the temporary home he drug me into.)
He has me by the short hairs, damn it, because I am strongly in need of being held down by the neck and .... er, I am lonesome for him, but I do need certain conditions to be met. Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 16, 2014 11:06 PM (CEKeN) Hide posts from (CEKeN)
I'm not getting that either of you is in a particularly reasonable mood to negotiate. How 'bout you just tell him that you plan on making him "be good" and plan on filling in the blanks later?
Posted by: cthulhu at March 16, 2014 07:14 PM (T1005)
Posted by: Tuna at March 16, 2014 07:14 PM (M/TDA)
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I suspect that they already know where it is, and are waiting for the locals to 'fess up.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 16, 2014 07:15 PM (T1005)
Posted by: The Political Hat at March 16, 2014 07:15 PM (AymDN)
Posted by: cthulhu at March 16, 2014 11:03 PM (T1005)
Been wondering the same thing all along. With all of the hourly arc data you would have a better chance of determining actual flight path.
Posted by: PMRich at March 16, 2014 07:15 PM (KDUNf)
There was also the then largely unknown Catherine Zeta-Jones in a supporting role completely upstaging the female lead.
Posted by: Epobirs at March 16, 2014 07:15 PM (bPxS6)
That initial, then denied, report of a landing at (or in) Nanning, China still bothers me. Fits nicely into that northern arc.
I would still love to see a basic map of the various air search radar ranges vs the 777 rcs.
Posted by: Jean at March 16, 2014 07:15 PM (Aqvh6)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 16, 2014 07:15 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 16, 2014 07:16 PM (rDidD)
Posted by: JoeyBagels at March 16, 2014 07:17 PM (Usdw3)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 16, 2014 07:17 PM (Utuaz)
Posted by: Insomniac at March 16, 2014 07:17 PM (UAMVq)
Posted by: nerdygirl at March 16, 2014 07:19 PM (1/IUa)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 16, 2014 07:19 PM (rDidD)
I suspect that the hijacked plane hid over another flight. Air traffic control would see this radar ping (actually two overlapping ones, one at 29000 feet and one at 36000), and check the transponder, and go, "yeah, that's him").
Posted by: cthulhu at March 16, 2014 07:19 PM (T1005)
Posted by: the littl shyning man at March 16, 2014 07:19 PM (tmFlQ)
Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at March 16, 2014 07:20 PM (bCEmE)
Posted by: Smart Military Blog at March 16, 2014 07:20 PM (fHhk+)
Posted by: t-bird at March 16, 2014 07:21 PM (FcR7P)
Kim Jong-un called to say "Pikers".
Posted by: GnuBreed at March 16, 2014 07:21 PM (cHZB7)
Posted by: B. Obama at March 16, 2014 07:21 PM (mCO/E)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 16, 2014 07:21 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at March 16, 2014 07:22 PM (g4TxM)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 16, 2014 07:23 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Cryptocon at March 16, 2014 07:23 PM (cgWjy)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 16, 2014 07:23 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: eman at March 16, 2014 07:24 PM (AO9UG)
Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at March 16, 2014 07:24 PM (kxSZr)
Posted by: Smart Military Blog at March 16, 2014 07:24 PM (fHhk+)
There is a time limit, 4 1/2 half years. And in all fairness, I have stayed away as much because of the weather as anything.... I usually drive back and forth.
My main complaint is that I never see him, even when I'm there. Even when he's home! So what's the fucking point of being there? Especially when my all-but-blind and getting confused mama is in Arkansas?
Here are my conditions:
We eat together twice a day, more often than not. I'd prefer breakfast and supper, but I'm open to whatever. And I will of course make allowances, but for fuck's sake, I do not think this is unreasonable. And NO phone or laptop allowed.
He takes Sundays off. Period. That means no phone or laptop. (Or time limits, at least; I get that he needs to check in) Now, between you and me and the fencepost, I'd settle for Sundays til around 3 or 4, but for his own damn sake he needs a break!
And this is so embarrassing, but he needs to come to bed regularly! I don't even mean sex, I mean just come to fucking bed, not work til 3 in the morning, then fall asleep on the fucking couch in his office.
Seriously, y'all... I do not think I am being unreasonable. In fact I think I'm saving his life.
Am I being unreasonable???
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 16, 2014 07:26 PM (CEKeN)
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 16, 2014 07:26 PM (84gbM)
Thought exercise.
1. Our military boffins know exactly where the plane landed, and is, at this very moment. Fact is, they knew about week ago.
2. Rather than trumpet that fact, they're helping to feed the confusion as to it's fate.
3. Because, of course, they don't want the bad guys to know that we know, or what we know.
4. Buying time of course, for a proper, intense and highly detailed gathering of intel to occur, especially as gathered by highly talented parachuting n' swimming men in green faces, who silently go where they're not invited.
5. Working up, one hopes, to the development of a highly effective insertion, strike and recovery package to recover any (hopeful) plane survivors intact. And, to recapture or destroy the plane.
6. And, to very seriously capture the persons involved in the terror mission, so as to fully *ahem "debrief" them, in the most socially incorrect ways possible.
7. Ending, hopefully, with a noticeable number of strikes higher up the terrorist food chain, even extending into certain islamo-governments.
Yeah, just a thought process...... but, it's logical, and I would hope that something like this would be in process. If, that is, the plane isn't just simply a new reef on the bottom of the ocean.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at March 16, 2014 07:26 PM (vvk2F)
Posted by: Thank you Ace and Horde at March 16, 2014 07:27 PM (JRQVu)
Posted by: eman at March 16, 2014 07:27 PM (AO9UG)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 16, 2014 07:28 PM (CEKeN)
Posted by: Blor-Utar at March 16, 2014 07:28 PM (mCO/E)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 16, 2014 07:29 PM (rDidD)
its WITHIN the Arc.... ie... that is the furthest out it could be for the Sat to pick up its signals...
It could be anywhere CLOSER to the Sat than that.
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 16, 2014 11:26 PM (84gbM)
No I believe the satellite is able to determine the angle of the signal to the satellite so they're pretty sure it was close to the arcs at the last ping.
Posted by: Mætenloch at March 16, 2014 07:29 PM (XkotV)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at March 16, 2014 07:29 PM (g4TxM)
Somebody should check there. At least call them.
I tried, the number is unlisted.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at March 16, 2014 07:29 PM (0AKks)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 16, 2014 11:26 PM (CEKeN)
Well you are a woman, just saying.
Posted by: cm9000 at March 16, 2014 07:29 PM (291hy)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 16, 2014 07:29 PM (rDidD)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 16, 2014 07:30 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: rickl at March 16, 2014 07:30 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 16, 2014 07:31 PM (bitz6)
Posted by: exhelodrvr at March 16, 2014 07:31 PM (edmTQ)
Posted by: Secretariat of State Kerry at March 16, 2014 07:32 PM (Aif/5)
Is it consensus here at AOSHQ at this time that the flight was intercepted, rather than crashed?
And if you do think the craft was saved (most likely bad ends for the passengers however), who do you think has it??
Posted by: qdpsteve at March 16, 2014 07:33 PM (HVI5a)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 16, 2014 07:33 PM (rDidD)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 16, 2014 07:33 PM (ojnk6)
Posted by: Smart Military Blog at March 16, 2014 07:34 PM (fHhk+)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at March 16, 2014 07:34 PM (g4TxM)
I still think your chances of successful behavior modification are dramatically improved if you're there to modify the behavior. But those don't sound like bad things to announce in advance as goals.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 16, 2014 07:34 PM (T1005)
Cordially,
Blor-Utar
P.S. Say hi to Calvin for me!
Posted by: Blor-Utar at March 16, 2014 07:34 PM (mCO/E)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 16, 2014 07:34 PM (CEKeN)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 16, 2014 07:34 PM (Utuaz)
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 16, 2014 07:34 PM (bitz6)
Posted by: Brother Cavil at March 16, 2014 07:34 PM (m9V0o)
We eat together twice a day, more often than not. I'd prefer breakfast and supper, but I'm open to whatever. And I will of course make allowances, but for fuck's sake, I do not think this is unreasonable. And NO phone or laptop allowed.
He takes Sundays off. Period. That means no phone or laptop. (Or time limits, at least; I get that he needs to check in) Now, between you and me and the fencepost, I'd settle for Sundays til around 3 or 4, but for his own damn sake he needs a break!
And this is so embarrassing, but he needs to come to bed regularly! I don't even mean sex, I mean just come to fucking bed, not work til 3 in the morning, then fall asleep on the fucking couch in his office.
Seriously, y'all... I do not think I am being unreasonable. In fact I think I'm saving his life.
Am I being unreasonable???
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 16, 2014 11:26 PM (CEKeN)
Looks like it can all be boiled down to "Pay attention to me dammit!" which to my mind is an eminently reasonable request.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at March 16, 2014 07:34 PM (xa1/W)
Posted by: Smart Military Blog at March 16, 2014 07:35 PM (fHhk+)
Posted by: eman at March 16, 2014 07:35 PM (AO9UG)
I have had a black duster since college (very handy for my winter mini-semester in England) and a gray fedora that is usually worn only with the duster. Whenver I wear it out with peers, they inevitably ask to wear the hat for a minute. I am definitely not a hipster, just appreciate the old style and dammit, it looks sharp.
Posted by: Conservative Crank at March 16, 2014 07:35 PM (sQ0LB)
Are tube tops out as well? Asking for a "friend".
Posted by: Blanco Basura at March 16, 2014 07:35 PM (0AKks)
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 16, 2014 07:36 PM (bitz6)
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 16, 2014 11:34 PM (bitz6)
He needs to go in on the PT-73 with Ensign Parker.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 16, 2014 07:36 PM (drDeB)
Posted by: Meremortal at March 16, 2014 07:37 PM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at March 16, 2014 07:38 PM (g4TxM)
Posted by: rickl at March 16, 2014 07:38 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Zombie Mr. Hooper at March 16, 2014 07:38 PM (AymDN)
157 Yeah Po-hat but the f'n ATF disregarded the restraining order and broke in and took their stuff anyways
Who obeys the laws when the police don't???
Posted by: MAx at March 16, 2014 07:38 PM (b7yum)
I was going to google that, but decided I didn't want to gouge my eyes out this early in the evening.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at March 16, 2014 07:39 PM (0AKks)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 16, 2014 11:28 PM (CEKeN)
had a show today and I didn't really do much to protect myself when working.
And no gaming thread today because I think I forgot to save my draft in the system (I copied and pasted while running out the door)
Posted by: The Dude at March 16, 2014 07:39 PM (bStrg)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at March 16, 2014 07:39 PM (g4TxM)
Posted by: Last at March 16, 2014 07:40 PM (8HiDF)
Posted by: NCKate at March 16, 2014 07:40 PM (y7PFk)
Posted by: MAx at March 16, 2014 07:41 PM (b7yum)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at March 16, 2014 11:39 PM (g4TxM)
Only when he's in the can.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 16, 2014 07:42 PM (drDeB)
Posted by: Thank you Ace and Horde at March 16, 2014 07:43 PM (JRQVu)
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 16, 2014 07:43 PM (bitz6)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at March 16, 2014 11:38 PM (g4TxM)
>>>>>>>>>>
Well then you just haven't lived.....
Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at March 16, 2014 07:43 PM (jucos)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 16, 2014 07:44 PM (CEKeN)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 16, 2014 07:44 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at March 16, 2014 11:34 PM (xa1/W) Hide posts from (xa1/W)
They're not even "pay attention to Tammy" things -- they're "take care of yourself so you'll be around for the rest of our lives together" things.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 16, 2014 07:44 PM (T1005)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at March 16, 2014 07:44 PM (g4TxM)
Posted by: Zombie Mr. Hooper at March 16, 2014 07:44 PM (AymDN)
Posted by: Carol at March 16, 2014 07:45 PM (gjOCp)
Posted by: eman at March 16, 2014 11:24 PM (AO9UG)
Kerry asked Putin, "When I piss it makes a noise. When you piss it does not. Why is it so?"
Putin stretches to his full height and says, "When you piss, it violates the soil of Mother Russia, and she cries out against this degradation. I on the other hand am pissing against your leg."
Posted by: kindletot at March 16, 2014 07:45 PM (LRUgq)
Posted by: Adam at March 16, 2014 07:45 PM (Aif/5)
Posted by: eman at March 16, 2014 07:45 PM (AO9UG)
MsStalking Lurker, I miss Jane, too. Has no one heard from her at all?Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 16, 2014 07:46 PM (CEKeN)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 16, 2014 07:46 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: garrett at March 16, 2014 07:47 PM (ZMtia)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 16, 2014 07:47 PM (CEKeN)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at March 16, 2014 07:48 PM (g4TxM)
Posted by: traye at March 16, 2014 07:48 PM (GW4+e)
You're welcome.
http://tinyurl.com/pjb7o9t
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 16, 2014 07:48 PM (Utuaz)
Nice pictures. Brought a mist to the eye.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 16, 2014 07:49 PM (drDeB)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at March 16, 2014 07:49 PM (g4TxM)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 16, 2014 07:50 PM (ojnk6)
Posted by: eman at March 16, 2014 07:50 PM (AO9UG)
Posted by: NCKate at March 16, 2014 07:51 PM (y7PFk)
Despite leftists' best efforts, the U.S. government is not a god. I doubt they have any idea as they wouldn't have been looking until someone thought there was a reason to look, and for the first few days, everyone thought they were looking for debris somewhere south of China.
Posted by: Methos at March 16, 2014 07:51 PM (hO9ad)
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 16, 2014 07:51 PM (bitz6)
Posted by: Reggie Love at March 16, 2014 07:52 PM (Aif/5)
Posted by: Lauren at March 16, 2014 07:52 PM (hFL/3)
Posted by: Lauren at March 16, 2014 07:53 PM (hFL/3)
Posted by: mindful webworker - big deal at March 16, 2014 07:53 PM (U13jb)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at March 16, 2014 07:53 PM (g4TxM)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 16, 2014 07:54 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: eman at March 16, 2014 07:54 PM (AO9UG)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at March 16, 2014 07:54 PM (60PTY)
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 16, 2014 07:56 PM (bitz6)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 16, 2014 07:56 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: mindful webworker - big deal at March 16, 2014 07:56 PM (U13jb)
Posted by: Smart Military Blog at March 16, 2014 07:57 PM (fHhk+)
I had been concerned that something bad might have happened to him while working, but at least at that time, someone said they had reached her via email and everything was okay.
Posted by: torquewrench at March 16, 2014 07:58 PM (gqT4g)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 16, 2014 07:59 PM (CEKeN)
Posted by: Waterhouse at March 16, 2014 07:59 PM (QSqIb)
Posted by: AltonJackson at March 16, 2014 07:59 PM (JMmQ9)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 16, 2014 08:00 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 16, 2014 08:01 PM (ojnk6)
Posted by: Lauren at March 16, 2014 08:03 PM (hFL/3)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 16, 2014 08:03 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Lauren at March 16, 2014 08:03 PM (hFL/3)
That cape? I think that is actually a woman's ruana. Bad move, really not masculine. In fact, wear one of those and a fedora and you look like a Bolivan woman on market day, you just need to stick a cigar in your mouth and start spinning llama wool on a drop-spindle while shouting at passer-byes.
Posted by: kindletot at March 16, 2014 08:03 PM (LRUgq)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 16, 2014 08:04 PM (CEKeN)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 16, 2014 08:04 PM (rDidD)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 16, 2014 08:05 PM (CEKeN)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 16, 2014 08:06 PM (CEKeN)
Posted by: Dorcus Blimline at March 16, 2014 08:06 PM (BuHe+)
Posted by: rain of lead at March 16, 2014 08:07 PM (emQ8O)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 16, 2014 08:08 PM (CEKeN)
Posted by: Smart Military Blog at March 16, 2014 08:09 PM (fHhk+)
Posted by: lindafell at March 16, 2014 08:09 PM (PGO8C)
Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at March 16, 2014 08:09 PM (X5KoL)
Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein, Brattleboro, VT at March 16, 2014 08:09 PM (Aif/5)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at March 16, 2014 08:10 PM (60PTY)
Posted by: rickl at March 16, 2014 08:10 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 16, 2014 08:10 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 16, 2014 08:12 PM (rDidD)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 16, 2014 08:13 PM (CEKeN)
Posted by: Waterhouse at March 16, 2014 08:13 PM (QSqIb)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 16, 2014 08:13 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at March 16, 2014 08:14 PM (60PTY)
Posted by: Brother Cavil at March 16, 2014 08:14 PM (m9V0o)
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at March 16, 2014 08:14 PM (HxSXm)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 16, 2014 08:15 PM (ojnk6)
Posted by: otho at March 16, 2014 08:15 PM (9gNQd)
Posted by: Mætenloch at March 16, 2014 11:29 PM (XkotV)
The satellite computes the round-trip travel time for the ping from sat-to-plane and back again. Knowing that radio waves travel at the speed of light, that small time delay can be transformed into a distance. Those arcs represent the places on the Earth's surface exactly that distance from the satellite. If there were two satellites pinging the plane, you'd have two arcs, and their intersection would give you a fix.
GPS works the same way, but in reverse. Your GPS unit receives signals from multiple low-altitude satellites, whose positions are known, and the signals are time-stamped. The GPS unit says to itself, "Hmmm...I'm X miles from satellite A's location (at the time of the fix), Y miles from satellite B, and Z miles from satellite C. Those three vectors can intersect at only one point in three-space, I must be on the top floor of the parking structure at Fourth and Broadway.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 16, 2014 08:15 PM (2w1g0)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 16, 2014 08:15 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Dorcus Blimline at March 16, 2014 08:17 PM (BuHe+)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 16, 2014 08:17 PM (CEKeN)
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 16, 2014 08:18 PM (bitz6)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 16, 2014 08:19 PM (rDidD)
Posted by: lindafell at March 16, 2014 08:19 PM (PGO8C)
Posted by: Ernstadt Blowfeld at March 16, 2014 08:20 PM (BuHe+)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at March 16, 2014 08:20 PM (60PTY)
So, he was at normal cruising altitude and disabled the safety masks in the cabin, then cracked the pressure. As the pressure faded away in the cabin and the masks did not deploy, people would have come forward to pound on the (locked) cockpit door, and he could hear them pounding.....so he climbed until the pounding stopped.
Then he pressurized the cabin again and tried to open the door, and found that it was blocked -- by all the bodies of the asphyxiated crew/passengers, so he had to do the power dive to "float" [zero-g] all the bodies away from the cockpit door so he could go to the lav.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 16, 2014 08:20 PM (T1005)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 16, 2014 08:20 PM (CEKeN)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 16, 2014 08:20 PM (GEICT)
I can't speak Arabic.
But, gimmie about 30 minutes, and I'll go waterboard the local shop-n-rob storekeeper (no, not the one with the "dot", silly!), and he can do the honors.
Might not be the most accurate translation, ever. But, it'd be miles better than what I could do, alone.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at March 16, 2014 08:22 PM (vvk2F)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at March 16, 2014 11:38 PM (g4TxM)
Clearly you have never been to Venice Beach. The ones I saw were also roller skating.
Posted by: tcn at March 16, 2014 08:22 PM (fwcEs)
Posted by: RWC at March 16, 2014 08:22 PM (QeH9j)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 16, 2014 08:24 PM (CEKeN)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at March 16, 2014 08:24 PM (60PTY)
Posted by: Emile Antoon Khadaji at March 16, 2014 08:24 PM (CrJzY)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 16, 2014 08:24 PM (ojnk6)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 16, 2014 08:26 PM (rDidD)
Well the convergence of leaks has consistently been towards a stolen plane (and probably by the original pilot), so unless *everyone* is lying, that much is at least likely. Which is certainly possible.
You might want to check what latitudes we're dealing with and whether SE Asia had as cold a winter as we did-I'm not sure if there even are any frozen lakes in the area indicated.
If this was a state sponsored operation, then all the plane has to do is reach friendly territory (to the cause) and its landing wouldn't be reported to anyone in the broader world.
Posted by: Methos at March 16, 2014 08:26 PM (hO9ad)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 16, 2014 08:26 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 16, 2014 08:26 PM (CEKeN)
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at March 17, 2014 12:14 AM (z+4T3)
No spoiler, but I completely agree.
Posted by: Methos at March 16, 2014 08:26 PM (hO9ad)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at March 16, 2014 08:27 PM (60PTY)
Posted by: RWC at March 16, 2014 08:28 PM (QeH9j)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 16, 2014 08:29 PM (CEKeN)
Posted by: RWC at March 16, 2014 08:29 PM (QeH9j)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 16, 2014 08:29 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 16, 2014 08:30 PM (84gbM)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 16, 2014 08:31 PM (ojnk6)
Posted by: rain of lead at March 16, 2014 08:32 PM (emQ8O)
Posted by: RWC at March 16, 2014 08:32 PM (QeH9j)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 16, 2014 08:32 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: RWC at March 16, 2014 08:33 PM (QeH9j)
Well that would be more like space radar.
My understanding is that the plane occasionally sends a message up to the satellite and then the satellite sends back a response. This lets the plane know that it is in contact with the satellite and the satellite know the approximate angle to the plane so it can direct its signal more efficiently. I'm assuming the satellite uses a phased array antenna so the timing comes from the relative phase differences between the signals at different parts of the array.
Posted by: Mætenloch at March 16, 2014 08:34 PM (XkotV)
Posted by: Smart Military Blog at March 16, 2014 08:34 PM (fHhk+)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 16, 2014 08:34 PM (rDidD)
Posted by: RWC at March 16, 2014 08:35 PM (QeH9j)
Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at March 16, 2014 08:37 PM (hn5v5)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 16, 2014 08:37 PM (CEKeN)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 16, 2014 08:39 PM (rDidD)
Good point. Would you like a chocolate?
Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at March 16, 2014 08:39 PM (hn5v5)
They aren't courses. They are the positions the plane could have been in at the time of the last ping (which would be an entire circle) constrained at the ends by the distance the plane could have travelled from the point where contact was lost, and in the middle by the presumption it didn't just fly in circles. It probably wasn't at the very end if it was zigzagging about, but it probably also wasn't near the center as the post disappearance pilot (who may be the original) presumably flew for that period of time for some reason.
Posted by: Methos at March 16, 2014 08:39 PM (hO9ad)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 16, 2014 08:40 PM (ojnk6)
Then you lay down the ultimatum--the shit-or-get-off-the-pot stuff. Thor, do you or do you not give a damn about my need to connect, daily, in a meaningful manner? Yes, or no, and are you willing to show it?
His answer will make your determination.
Relationships all boil down to whether or not you can handle this particular set of bullshit events and actions, in sight of whatever perceived advantage you gain by staying. I will tolerate a great deal of dirty laundry, occasional bad breath after a night of carousing, having to cook every damned meal, and even running errands when his back is out, in exchange for being loved to my very core, protected with his life (if need be) and certain lifelong commitment.
But, it took the ultimatum to get him to agree to this setup. He could have me, 24/7/365 +/- 60 years, if he would give up booze and the other ladies. I did not ask him to change himself, since it is himself that I love very much, but only some of his choices. He said yes, and so did I, and we are very happy, indeed.
Posted by: tcn at March 16, 2014 08:41 PM (fwcEs)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 16, 2014 08:41 PM (rDidD)
prety sure 37k feet is about 98% as deadly as 45k feet without a oxy mask Posted by: Smart Military Blog at March 17, 2014 12:34 AM (fHhk+) Hide posts from (fHhk+)
I looked it up recently -- Everest has been climbed without oxygen -- and that's 29000 feet and climbing a mountain to boot.....so, presumably, some people could go higher if all they were doing was panting. But at 45000 feet, the normal 14.7 psi air pressure is about 2 psi. Here's a handy chart -- http://tinyurl.com/2pp9oh
Posted by: cthulhu at March 16, 2014 08:42 PM (T1005)
Posted by: rain of lead at March 16, 2014 08:42 PM (emQ8O)
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 17, 2014 12:30 AM (84gbM)
You/re right. Those aren't "courses". They are sets of possible positions for the aircraft at the time of the ping. The diagram is saying, "At the time of the last ping, this plane was at 23.xxxxxx thousand miles from that satellite. An imaginary sphere of that radius will intersect the surface of the Earth along the arc shown."
The plane probably never flew along that arc, but at the time of the ping, its course intersected the arc at some point.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 16, 2014 08:42 PM (2w1g0)
But that does tend to be how we resolve things. Not that it will resolve this.
What should my hill to die on be, eating together or sleeping together? I suppose sleeping since he sleeps better in bed than on the couch.
I hate caving in. Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 16, 2014 08:43 PM (CEKeN)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 16, 2014 08:44 PM (rDidD)
Posted by: Smart Military Blog at March 16, 2014 08:46 PM (fHhk+)
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 16, 2014 08:46 PM (84gbM)
Posted by: kindletot at March 17, 2014 12:38 AM (LRUgq)
Once you've tried them, you can't Quito?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 16, 2014 08:46 PM (2w1g0)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 16, 2014 08:46 PM (rDidD)
Posted by: rain of lead at March 16, 2014 08:47 PM (emQ8O)
We don't need no stinkin' additives! But that does tend to be how we resolve things. Not that it will resolve this.
What should my hill to die on be, eating together or sleeping together? I suppose sleeping since he sleeps better in bed than on the couch.
I hate caving in. Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 17, 2014 12:43 AM (CEKeN) Hide posts from (CEKeN)
What the hell is he so fixated on doing, in a Hospital, that he can't sleep in his own bed?
Posted by: cthulhu at March 16, 2014 08:47 PM (T1005)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 16, 2014 08:47 PM (rDidD)
I thank you all for your kind words, and I have to say it makes me feel better just knowing I am not being unfair.
Thank you so much for listening!
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 16, 2014 08:49 PM (CEKeN)
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 16, 2014 08:50 PM (84gbM)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at March 16, 2014 08:50 PM (60PTY)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 16, 2014 08:51 PM (rDidD)
right, the reason the arcs do not complete a circle is the plane did not have enough fuel to span the diameter of the circle.
The arcs are bisected by other satellite footprints that did not register the aircraft. So that bite out of the middle is due to the trialling coverage from the easterly bird and the western terminus due to either polar region having no coverage or a northern hemisphere bird.
Those are just ideal intersection arcs for the 8.11 ping. A lot of things could make that line very fuzzy: Satellite and transceiver error, aircraft roll relative to the satellite, other interference, etc. If the aircraft was banked to with west, the easterly bird could have missed the ping, rendering the un-joined arc meaningless.
Posted by: Jean at March 16, 2014 08:51 PM (Aqvh6)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 16, 2014 08:51 PM (ojnk6)
Posted by: westminsterdogshow at March 16, 2014 08:51 PM (W3UHW)
Posted by: mindful webworker — half asleep at March 16, 2014 08:52 PM (G58bp)
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 17, 2014 12:46 AM (84gbM)
The curved arcs are NOT the flight path. Apparently the satellite can determine the angle of the signal and the arcs represent the points on Earth that could have sent the signal at that angle minus the footprints of other satellites that didn't receive any signals as well as areas with good radar coverage where the plane wasn't seen.
The footprint of the satellite is clearly larger since it also received pings from the plane while it was traveling towards the arc from Malaysia.
Posted by: Mætenloch at March 16, 2014 08:53 PM (XkotV)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 16, 2014 08:54 PM (CEKeN)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 16, 2014 08:54 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 16, 2014 08:55 PM (rDidD)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 16, 2014 08:56 PM (CEKeN)
Hard to believe that the plane would fly a course, through even 5 or more data points, that would be a constant arc from a single point (that being the Sat).
That graphic doesn't show any information from the earlier pings.
Yes, it would be useful to get the position arcs from the earlier pings but that information, while available to investigators, is not available to us.
Posted by: Methos at March 16, 2014 08:57 PM (hO9ad)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 16, 2014 08:57 PM (GEICT)
Hard to believe that the plane would fly a course, through even 5 or more data points, that would be a constant arc from a single point (that being the Sat).
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 17, 2014 12:50 AM (84gbM)
They haven't released any info on the other pings so the last one at 8:11 is the only data point we have to go on.
Posted by: Mætenloch at March 16, 2014 08:57 PM (XkotV)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 16, 2014 08:58 PM (rDidD)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 16, 2014 08:59 PM (rDidD)
Posted by: Arbalest at March 16, 2014 08:59 PM (FlRtG)
Posted by: rain of lead at March 16, 2014 08:59 PM (emQ8O)
Posted by: PMRich at March 16, 2014 08:59 PM (KDUNf)
Hard to believe that the plane would fly a course, through even 5 or more data points, that would be a constant arc from a single point (that being the Sat).
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 17, 2014 12:50 AM (84gbM)
And presumably each of those earlier pings would also have an arc. The arc in the diagram is clearly labeled "arc of last contact at at 8:30 A.M.", meaning any point on that arc is possible location for the plane. The arc is a set of possible locations. As Jean says above, the gap in the middle may be due to the footprint of another satellite, which DID NOT ping the plane, intersecting, or maybe it is within the coverage area of the Malaysian ATC radar, and eliminated for that reason. I would like to see the arcs of the earlier pings, too. Assuming the plane kept to its nominal cruising speed, you could note the time between pings, convert to miles at that speed, and then try to fit a line segment of that length between the arcs. For each pair of arcs, you should get 2 solutions.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 16, 2014 09:00 PM (2w1g0)
The part I don't get about the arc is why it is so large. If I know the time of the planes last position and the speed range of travel. Why can't they limit the arc since they also know the time of the ping?
Posted by: The Hickster at March 16, 2014 09:00 PM (TI3xG)
normal cabin pressure is approx 8k feet.
nobody can go from 8k to 37 or 45k in a few minutes.
=death.
the no oxy Everest climers aclimate for days/weeks before going to 29k
Everest Base camp is 16k or 17k feet Posted by: Smart Military Blog at March 17, 2014 12:46 AM (fHhk+) Hide posts from (fHhk+)
Yeah, I get all that -- that's why I was thinking about the explanation....and that's where the idea idea that once everyone's ears started popping, the cabin crew and some passengers in first would start pounding on the cockpit door came from. But once they were at the door, they could keep pounding for longer than was survivable -- breath-hold diving records are in excess of 10 minutes. And, of course, it takes time to depressurize or repressurize a plane using standard systems (i.e. not blowing a hole in the side).
Which led to the grim scenario originally described. Cut the air supply and set the cabin for depressurization and go on like your simulator said you -- shit! They're pounding on the cockpit door! They're supposed to be quietly going into the final sleep, and -- that sounded like metal on metal! More pounding! The gauge says they're at the pressure equivalent of outside, but they're still at it! Climb!
Posted by: cthulhu at March 16, 2014 09:00 PM (T1005)
Okay, that makes sense.
Posted by: Methos at March 16, 2014 09:01 PM (hO9ad)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 16, 2014 09:01 PM (CEKeN)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 16, 2014 09:03 PM (CEKeN)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 16, 2014 09:04 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 16, 2014 09:05 PM (ojnk6)
Posted by: O-dawg at March 16, 2014 09:06 PM (slR5/)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 16, 2014 09:06 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 16, 2014 09:07 PM (CEKeN)
Posted by: Jon Carry what served in Vietnam at March 16, 2014 09:08 PM (Dwehj)
Posted by: rain of lead at March 16, 2014 09:09 PM (emQ8O)
Posted by: Lauren at March 16, 2014 09:09 PM (hFL/3)
Like I give a fuck. We had enough money. I want my husband back.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 17, 2014 01:01 AM (CEKeN)
I know it's delightfully old-fashioned and all but have you had a serious sit-down talk with Thor about these issues?
Note that whining and nagging don't count as a serious talk.
Posted by: Mætenloch at March 16, 2014 09:11 PM (XkotV)
I don't know how I feel about that. >>
I know how I feel about it. LOL
Posted by: Putin at March 16, 2014 09:11 PM (TI3xG)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 16, 2014 09:13 PM (CEKeN)
Posted by: rain of lead at March 16, 2014 09:13 PM (emQ8O)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 16, 2014 09:13 PM (ojnk6)
distance, then the distance would have changed, unless it was following
that exact curve.
Hard to believe that the plane would fly a course, through even 5 or
more data points, that would be a constant arc from a single point
(that being the Sat).
That graphic doesn't show any information from the earlier pings.
Yes, it would be useful to get the position arcs from the earlier pings but that information, while available to investigators, is not available to us.
Posted by: Methos at March 17, 2014 12:57 AM (hO9ad) Hide posts from (hO9ad)
The point that I had originally made was that there was an earlier disclosure that the plane was settling into a standard route through airspace -- there is a network of preplanned routes that all airliners use (to see it, go to skyvector.com and head to a section of the map that is not particularly "busy"). With no transponder, the pilot could have selected a variety of such routes, but knowing that the route he was on intersected the arcs of each satellite ping one hour's cruising distance apart would make it pretty obvious pretty fast.....if we had all seven arcs. But we don't -- we only have the last one.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 16, 2014 09:14 PM (T1005)
I'm to the point of tuning out now since I can't stand watching idiots running around with their heads up their butts. Not good for my stress level.
It's probably not even so much incompetence, since I think a lot of it is cover-up. The Malaysians don't want the details out...
However, with four Americans onboard and the threat of terror, I will press on and continue to follow this story.
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at March 16, 2014 09:14 PM (KL49F)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at March 16, 2014 09:14 PM (60PTY)
I don't know how I feel about that.
Actually I know how I feel about it. Uneasy.
I don't know what I think about it.
Horde?
Posted by: Lauren at March 17, 2014 01:09 AM (hFL/3)
Funny, Barky never seems to have a problem endorsing rigged elections when his favored thugs win them.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 16, 2014 09:16 PM (2w1g0)
I literally laughed when I read what Odickhead thinks of the Crimean election -- as if Putin cares what Odickhead thinks. Odickhead can't do a damn thing about it because he's a whimp (on purpose). So he stomps his feet like the little cry-baby he is.
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at March 16, 2014 09:17 PM (KL49F)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at March 16, 2014 09:17 PM (60PTY)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 16, 2014 09:18 PM (CEKeN)
All the arc in the diagram conveys is the plane's possible position based on its distance from the satellite. And as mentioned by others, this is limited in the middle by another satellite that would have pinged it if it had been there. The outer ends of the arc are, I assume, limited by the maximum distance the plane could have travelled in the 7+ hours between the disappearance and the last ping (this is a pretty large number).
It probably wasn't at either end at that time since it doesn't seem to have travelled in a straight line, and every course change (unknown to us) would reduce the length along the arc it could be from the point of disappearance
Posted by: Methos at March 16, 2014 09:18 PM (hO9ad)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 16, 2014 09:20 PM (CEKeN)
Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at March 16, 2014 09:22 PM (m0h0I)
Posted by: Mætenloch at March 17, 2014 01:11 AM (XkotV)
I do not whine or nag. I promise.
We talked and talked and talked about it and I gave in, because he told me it meant a lot to him to take this job. (And he did think my mom would move with us)
But I had no idea he'd be so completely absorbed. I don't think he did either, not to this extent. I am obviously still pissed about the entire situation, but I have let it go because I can tell he wants this badly.
But he is going to have to give a little, too. I don't think sharing meals and a bed on a regular basis is asking for much.
And he will, at first, but.... okay, now I'm being negative and I need to stop that. Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 17, 2014 01:18 AM (CEKeN) Hide posts from (CEKeN)
That's why I'm thinking you put those out in front as mutual "goals". Then you can point out that his pursuing his goals is thwarting us pursuing our goals. It's like orthodontia -- a little pressure over a long time can move bone and teeth around.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 16, 2014 09:22 PM (T1005)
Posted by: MAx at March 16, 2014 09:23 PM (b7yum)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 16, 2014 09:23 PM (CEKeN)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 16, 2014 09:23 PM (ojnk6)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 16, 2014 09:24 PM (rDidD)
Posted by: rain of lead at March 16, 2014 09:24 PM (emQ8O)
Morning DDR.
Re: the arcs. If we had just one of the preceeding pings, especially the one just prior to the last one, we could actually narrow the search down considerably as knowing the maximum speed of the aircraft, a few calculations would limit the length of the arc it could appear along considerably.
Posted by: Conservative Crank at March 16, 2014 09:24 PM (sQ0LB)
Yeah, if he was following the victor airways (or whatever they call them on that side of the planet), it should be fairly straightforward to track the plane given its possible positions according to earlier pings.
Posted by: Methos at March 16, 2014 09:25 PM (hO9ad)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at March 16, 2014 09:26 PM (60PTY)
Wiping their ass with a restraining order?!? Shit just got real.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 16, 2014 09:27 PM (T1005)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 16, 2014 09:27 PM (rDidD)
Meanwhile Obama has given control of the internet to "international concerns": http://tinyurl.com/mrq5ffe
Not speculation
Posted by: MAx at March 16, 2014 09:28 PM (b7yum)
Seems like the goose-stepping morons really want to find out when someone will push back harder.
Posted by: Methos at March 16, 2014 09:29 PM (hO9ad)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 16, 2014 09:29 PM (rDidD)
(And as a former orthodontia pioneer of sorts, I can tell you it's likely to be just as painful!)
I just need to frame it in my mind as saving him from himself and getting my ego out of the way.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 16, 2014 09:29 PM (CEKeN)
Posted by: rain of lead at March 16, 2014 09:29 PM (emQ8O)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 16, 2014 09:31 PM (CEKeN)
I need to stop now or I'll be number one next week.Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 16, 2014 09:31 PM (CEKeN)
Seems like the goose-stepping morons really want to find out when someone will push back harder.
Posted by: Methos at March 17, 2014 01:29 AM (hO9ad) Hide posts from (hO9ad)
Alienating the third branch will get you that knowledge fairly quickly.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 16, 2014 09:32 PM (T1005)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at March 16, 2014 09:33 PM (60PTY)
not quite
the ATF went back to the judge and got an oopsee so he then gave them a warrant and back they went Posted by: rain of lead at March 17, 2014 01:29 AM (emQ8O) Hide posts from (emQ8O)
Hmmmm.....
Posted by: cthulhu at March 16, 2014 09:33 PM (T1005)
Posted by: Adriane... at March 16, 2014 09:33 PM (qoKTg)
The arc covers thousands of miles. If I draw a line from last known contact point to locations on the arc the distances are wildly different. There is no way the arc needs to be that long. And travel after the ping has no connection to the arc. My point being there is a small portion of the arc that has meaning to the planes last approximate location.
Posted by: Putin at March 16, 2014 09:33 PM (TI3xG)
Posted by: rain of lead at March 16, 2014 09:34 PM (emQ8O)
Posted by: concrete girl at March 16, 2014 09:35 PM (dfR2w)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 16, 2014 09:35 PM (CEKeN)
Posted by: Alana at March 16, 2014 09:36 PM (a1qwK)
After the traitor Roberts, I hope you'll understand if I don't hold my breath waiting for the courts to oppose America's domestic enemies.
Posted by: Methos at March 16, 2014 09:36 PM (hO9ad)
Posted by: Adriane... at March 16, 2014 09:37 PM (qoKTg)
Posted by: Jean at March 16, 2014 09:38 PM (Aqvh6)
concrete girl, I'd give my left nut for a moonlight ride. That sounds so lovely. Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 16, 2014 09:39 PM (CEKeN)
Posted by: Putin at March 17, 2014 01:33 AM (TI3xG)
I think the problem is that the previous 'contact point' is also a set of arcs which means you have to consider all points that could have been reached from any point on a previous ping arc.
Posted by: Mætenloch at March 16, 2014 09:40 PM (XkotV)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 17, 2014 01:23 AM (ojnk6)
Men are completely unfathomable. Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 17, 2014 01:35 AM (CEKeN) Hide posts from (CEKeN)
Guys like a quest, a project, a calling....they can "fight the good fight" and grind toward a goal -- and get there, tired, sweaty, bloody, and proud as can be. That there's a meaningful chunk of cash involved is a bonus.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 16, 2014 09:40 PM (T1005)
Nothing to fear though - the country is in the very best of hands.
Posted by: An Observation [/i] [/s] [/b] [/u] at March 16, 2014 09:41 PM (ylhEn)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at March 16, 2014 09:43 PM (60PTY)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 16, 2014 09:43 PM (CEKeN)
Rev. Fred Phelps in care facility. Story Link in name.
TOPEKA, Kan. (AP) — The Rev. Fred Phelps Sr., who founded a Kansas church that's widely known for its protests at military funerals and anti-gay sentiments, is in a care facility.
Posted by: rd at March 16, 2014 09:43 PM (D+lxs)
Posted by: rain of lead at March 16, 2014 09:44 PM (emQ8O)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 16, 2014 09:44 PM (CEKeN)
Posted by: Go there. at March 16, 2014 09:45 PM (Lbv/k)
Posted by: Mætenloch
There are several pieces of data not being made public. Those previous arcs, which could with a simple time function illustrate if he was maintaining straight course and nominal airspeed. The performance arcs of active search radars vs a 777 at the last known altitude, would be interesting to see. The ACARS ground station VHF transponders locations and antenna footprints - to see if they were tickled. Same with isolated, edge of network cell towers near the suspected flight paths. The damn cargo manifest and specific fuel load - not "nothing dangerous" and "a little more then needed".
Posted by: Jean at March 16, 2014 09:47 PM (Aqvh6)
Who is Kazakhstan friendly with? I suppose anything's possible with Iran, but I would guess Pakistani ISI if someone insisted I make a guess
Posted by: Methos at March 16, 2014 09:49 PM (hO9ad)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 16, 2014 09:49 PM (CEKeN)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at March 16, 2014 09:50 PM (60PTY)
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at March 16, 2014 09:50 PM (ligos)
Posted by: RWC at March 16, 2014 09:50 PM (QeH9j)
@ Conservative Crank -- Good morning to you, too!
Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at March 16, 2014 09:52 PM (m0h0I)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 16, 2014 09:53 PM (CEKeN)
Are his parents still alive? Or if they are gone how did he handle it? He may be burying himself in work to avoid those kinds of loss feelings.
Posted by: The Hickster at March 16, 2014 09:54 PM (TI3xG)
Posted by: RWC at March 16, 2014 09:55 PM (QeH9j)
Oh I know that, I do!
And I should make it clear that it's not that I have moved out! I came back on a scheduled visit and have been held up by various things, and it dawned on me that there was no real reason to go back.
He doesn't agree, and I'm grateful for that. But I AM setting a few conditions.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 17, 2014 01:53 AM (CEKeN) Hide posts from (CEKeN)
Once again, "conditions" sounds harsh; "mutual goals" sounds better.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 16, 2014 09:56 PM (T1005)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 16, 2014 09:58 PM (CEKeN)
Posted by: RWC at March 17, 2014 01:50 AM (QeH9j)
Oh now let's not get too carried away here. Our life was just fine as it was. He's doing it for the money, but not because we need the money. That I could understand.
Look, if we had kids, I'd understand! But we're okay for money. More is always nice, but at what cost?
Anyway, I do appreciate all the advice, y'all are the very very best.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 17, 2014 01:58 AM (CEKeN) Hide posts from (CEKeN)
Uh, no. He's doing it for the glory. Money is secondary.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 16, 2014 10:01 PM (T1005)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 17, 2014 01:50 AM (ligos)
a. because flying an evasive flight path with random turns and back-tracking would in itself look suspicious, and cause any radar operators to alert
b. because if the pilot altered speed, direction, or altitude randomly, you couldn't really do the average speed calculation.
I'd say do the calculations once with the plane flying at max possible cruising speed, and again at say 2/3 normal speed, to allow for some evasive maneuvers. Those two calculations would set limits to your search area. Then I would look for known useable runways inside those limits, especially those that are in the hands of islamist-friendly governments or insurgencies, or that could be temporarily so occupied.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 16, 2014 10:02 PM (2w1g0)
Posted by: The Political Hat at March 16, 2014 10:03 PM (AymDN)
Posted by: cthulhu at March 17, 2014 02:01 AM (T1005)
Kinda like being a musician.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at March 16, 2014 10:03 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 16, 2014 10:04 PM (CEKeN)
There is a sort of male menopause phenomenon that seems to have the symptoms you've listed. The men aren't consciously drawing away from their wives but throwing themselves at their work is often how they deal with it.
Alternatively, it could be pure straight-out fear of what the future holds. I have nothing myself, so nothing to lose and that creates an intense anxiety as I'm underemployed and worried about someday outliving all of the family that makes it possible for me to survive at all. But for anyone paying attention to sources besides the MSM things have to be pretty damn scary. You may officially have a very solid financial footing on paper but that could all go poof tomorrow if enough people suddenly are forced to acknowledge the rickety debt structure holding up the world today. If I was working regularly, especially if I was capable of earning in the six figures, I'd be terrified to stop out of concern that so much of what I supposedly have could be declared null and void overnight or seized by a flailing government seeking to keep the machine going just a little longer.
Posted by: Epobirs at March 16, 2014 10:04 PM (bPxS6)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 16, 2014 10:05 PM (CEKeN)
Posted by: The Political Hat at March 16, 2014 10:05 PM (AymDN)
Posted by: Conservative Crank at March 16, 2014 10:07 PM (sQ0LB)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at March 16, 2014 10:07 PM (60PTY)
Tammy....if you're still around, here's a thought:
Thor's making good money?
Great!
Hire a full time nurse/caregiver for your Mama...and go spend most of your time with him!
Posted by: wheatie at March 16, 2014 10:08 PM (Xs26g)
Posted by: zombie at March 16, 2014 10:09 PM (mizYg)
Posted by: Conservative Crank at March 16, 2014 10:09 PM (sQ0LB)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 16, 2014 10:10 PM (CEKeN)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 17, 2014 01:50 AM (ligos)
a. because flying an evasive flight path with random turns and back-tracking would in itself look suspicious, and cause any radar operators to alertb. because if the pilot altered speed, direction, or altitude randomly, you couldn't really do the average speed calculation.I'd say do the calculations once with the plane flying at max possible cruising speed, and again at say 2/3 normal speed, to allow for some evasive maneuvers. Those two calculations would set limits to your search area. Then I would look for known useable runways inside those limits, especially those that are in the hands of islamist-friendly governments or insurgencies, or that could be temporarily so occupied.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 17, 2014 02:02 AM (2w1g0) Hide posts from (2w1g0)
The plane has a maximum speed and a minimum speed. If you have two pings separated by an hour, then you have a maximum angle and a minimum angle for the plane to have flown (assuming, of course, that the plane flew in a straight line).
Posted by: cthulhu at March 16, 2014 10:10 PM (T1005)
Posted by: Lauren at March 16, 2014 10:10 PM (hFL/3)
God bless all three of you!Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 16, 2014 10:11 PM (CEKeN)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 16, 2014 10:12 PM (CEKeN)
wheatie, mama will not ever allow that. I am stuck between two stubborn mules. Plus, she's not quite at that point, she is mostly fine. Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 16, 2014 10:14 PM (CEKeN)
That's it exactly. The glory.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 17, 2014 02:05 AM (CEKeN) Hide posts from (CEKeN)
There comes a time when guys are contemplating what will be written on their tombstone....."sperm donor" or "dragonslayer".....and what guy isn't gonna go "fuck, yeah!"?
Posted by: cthulhu at March 16, 2014 10:15 PM (T1005)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 16, 2014 10:16 PM (CEKeN)
Posted by: O-dawg at March 16, 2014 10:17 PM (slR5/)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 16, 2014 10:18 PM (CEKeN)
Posted by: Lauren at March 16, 2014 10:19 PM (hFL/3)
Posted by: Adriane... at March 16, 2014 10:20 PM (qoKTg)
Posted by: Epobirs at March 16, 2014 10:21 PM (bPxS6)
Posted by: Alana at March 16, 2014 10:22 PM (a1qwK)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 17, 2014 02:12 AM (CEKeN)
Yup. lol
I have nothing to add. I put the wife through all the same shit. For years she was getting up at 5am for work, and I would just be getting home, or I would be gone for bit here and there.We were always ships that passed in the night. Still are sometimes. I guess the thing is we always managed to get some "us" time in. When we were younger I dragged her all over the place, so I think she had enough of her fill to just let me do my thing, plus her career started demanding some of her time too. It all works out.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at March 16, 2014 10:22 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 16, 2014 10:22 PM (CEKeN)
Posted by: cthulhu at March 17, 2014 02:10 AM (T1005)
Yeah. Of course there is a "safe maximum" and then what the plane would do if you firewall the throttles and go as fast as you can. And then there is the minimum cruise to maintain altitude, and/or slower over-the-ground speeds achieved by circling. I doubt a pilot wishing to "hide" in plain sight (so to speak) would wish to call attention to himself by flying the plane so far out of its normal envelope.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 16, 2014 10:23 PM (FMV6J)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 16, 2014 10:24 PM (CEKeN)
Beloved husband ain't good enough, huh?
I"ll just have 'em put "Doormat" on mine.
I am so going to ask him what he would put on mine. Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 17, 2014 02:18 AM (CEKeN) Hide posts from (CEKeN)
Works with "beloved husband" and "dragonslayer", too. The point is that evolution has pounded into guys over generations that they are expendable, so long as the cause was right: "Women and children first" and all that.
He loves you dearly, so you need to press a narrative more glorious than leaving you a wealthy widow.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 16, 2014 10:25 PM (T1005)
Posted by: Lauren at March 16, 2014 10:27 PM (hFL/3)
And yes, I reckon it'll work itself out. Mainly cuz I will cave, but such is life. Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 16, 2014 10:28 PM (CEKeN)
Posted by: Alana at March 16, 2014 10:28 PM (a1qwK)
505...wheatie, mama will not ever allow that. I am stuck between two stubborn mules. Plus, she's not quite at that point, she is mostly fine.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 17, 2014 02:14 AM (CEKeN)
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Does she know what kind of agony you're going through...being separated from Thor?
I cannot imagine ever doing that to one of my kids.
I'm years away from being that old...but I would never do that to them.
Just hire someone to be the 'caretaker' of your house, then?
...And have an understanding with them that they are to keep an eye on your Mom while you're away?
I mean, damn...life is too short to be apart from your dearly beloved.
You got money?
Use it to solve your dilemma.
Posted by: wheatie at March 16, 2014 10:29 PM (Xs26g)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 16, 2014 10:29 PM (CEKeN)
Posted by: Alana at March 16, 2014 10:31 PM (a1qwK)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 17, 2014 02:24 AM (CEKeN)
Well it depends, if you were up each other's ass for years then a little independence isn't actually a bad thing. Thor is probably right at the age where he knows he only has so much time left to build a good nest egg. Me and the wife never grew apart, and we are both very independent.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at March 16, 2014 10:31 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 16, 2014 10:32 PM (CEKeN)
I wish I could offer some insight, but for me, this thread like watching Normal People in the Mist.
Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at March 16, 2014 10:34 PM (m0h0I)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Awaiting Armageddon) at March 16, 2014 10:34 PM (LSDdO)
Posted by: cthulhu at March 17, 2014 02:15 AM (T1005)
I'm going out with mutha fuckin' dragon slayer on mine, I'm making damn sure of it.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at March 16, 2014 10:35 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: O-dawg at March 16, 2014 10:36 PM (slR5/)
Go to skyvector.com, zoom out, go find the Philippines and zoom in until it fills your screen. Make sure you're on "World Hi". If you were flying around the Philippines and didn't want to be noticed, you'd be on one of those lines.
If you did want to be noticed, and wanted ATC to help you not run into someone midair, you'd be saying things like, "On A583 [zoom in until you can read the line markers] at 32000 feet, intending to turn at W17 toward Puerto Princesa at same altitude."
There'd be a constant stream of commercial planes in the designated air corridors, with only a few joyriders off in the boonies (and avoiding the hell out of corridors).
Posted by: cthulhu at March 16, 2014 10:37 PM (T1005)
Which until then was pretty much a macho men's world that the chicks in it did not issue crap at the hero on a constant basis.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Awaiting Armageddon) at March 16, 2014 10:38 PM (LSDdO)
Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at March 16, 2014 10:39 PM (m0h0I)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 16, 2014 10:41 PM (CEKeN)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 16, 2014 10:46 PM (CEKeN)
Posted by: Adriane... at March 16, 2014 10:48 PM (qoKTg)
http://is.gd/L45cTn
Thoughts?
It would set me back on my quest for a Les Paul, but it's an awfully nice looking guitar that sounds a lot like what I remember some of you guys recommending a few months ago, when my guitar lust started in earnest.
Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at March 16, 2014 10:49 PM (m0h0I)
Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at March 16, 2014 10:50 PM (m0h0I)
I think I know what you mean. It doesn't happen so much these days as I've little social life and don't see the same co-workers day in and day out but for some reason I used to get approached for advice on matters I could claim no real knowledge on other than observation of others.
Sometimes I felt like telling them, "You might be confused because I don't have a drug or alcohol problem, I haven't done any time in prison, and I'm allowed to walk the streets and even operate a car unsupervised but ignoring those things I'm probably the most dysfunctional person you know."
Posted by: Epobirs at March 16, 2014 10:53 PM (bPxS6)
http://is.gd/L45cTn
Thoughts?
It would set me back on my quest for a Les Paul, but it's an awfully nice looking guitar that sounds a lot like what I remember some of you guys recommending a few months ago, when my guitar lust started in earnest.
Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at March 17, 2014 02:49 AM (m0h0I)
Thats pretty cool, pretty cool price too. Those 70's Ibanez guitars definitely have a following, they were nice. Its hard to pass up guitars like that. If it plays real good and is as good as it looks I would grab it.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at March 16, 2014 10:56 PM (FMbng)
The thing is, I've always been a pretty social animal. I'm a pretty outgoing guy and tend to make friends easily. But, I have two distinct sides -- the part that loves people and enjoys being around them, and the part that needs to be away from everyone in the world as much as I can. It's that second part that tends to interfere with relationships.
Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at March 16, 2014 10:59 PM (m0h0I)
Posted by: Adriane... at March 16, 2014 11:01 PM (qoKTg)
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at March 16, 2014 11:01 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at March 16, 2014 11:02 PM (7mQyC)
Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at March 16, 2014 11:03 PM (m0h0I)
Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at March 17, 2014 03:03 AM (m0h0I)
Like I said, find out if it has a bolt on neck. I think it very well might. Some of their other models back then had a set neck like a les paul. If its a bolt on neck it could have been an even cheaper model. I'm not really a fan of bolt on necks on guitars like that.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at March 16, 2014 11:07 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at March 16, 2014 11:08 PM (m0h0I)
http://is.gd/L45cTn
Thoughts?
It would set me back on my quest for a Les Paul, but it's an awfully nice looking guitar that sounds a lot like what I remember some of you guys recommending a few months ago, when my guitar lust started in earnest.
Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at March 17, 2014 02:49 AM (m0h0I) Hide posts from (m0h0I)
Ibanez can make some fine guitars....but I'm not sure this is one of them. Les Paul clones are a dime-a-dozen. I collect Ibanez Musician guitars and basses, which are more like http://tinyurl.com/kqcrppl -- and, as far as I'm concerned, are awesome on steroids (as in, beyond LP's).
Posted by: cthulhu at March 16, 2014 11:08 PM (T1005)
Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at March 17, 2014 03:03 AM (m0h0I)
Like I said, find out if it has a bolt on neck. I think it very well might. Some of their other models back then had a set neck like a les paul. If its a bolt on neck it could have been an even cheaper model. I'm not really a fan of bolt on necks on guitars like that.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at March 17, 2014 03:07 AM (FMbng) Hide posts from (FMbng)
The stuff I collect is mostly neck-thru.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 16, 2014 11:11 PM (T1005)
Posted by: cthulhu at March 17, 2014 03:08 AM (T1005)
Yeah, not with the bolt on neck. If it had a set neck then it would be cool, especially since it looks to have the original case, and the guitar itself looks original. Would be a nice intact piece of history for $300. Not with a bolt on neck though, thats just nasty.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at March 16, 2014 11:12 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at March 17, 2014 03:03 AM (m0h0I)
Like I said, find out if it has a bolt on neck. I think it very well might. Some of their other models back then had a set neck like a les paul. If its a bolt on neck it could have been an even cheaper model. I'm not really a fan of bolt on necks on guitars like that.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at March 17, 2014 03:07 AM (FMbng) Hide posts from (FMbng)
Bolt-on LP clone?!? Ewww....
Posted by: cthulhu at March 16, 2014 11:12 PM (T1005)
Posted by: cthulhu at March 17, 2014 03:12 AM (T1005)
Yeah no shit, thats an insult. lol
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at March 16, 2014 11:15 PM (FMbng)
http://is.gd/19HZiz
Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at March 16, 2014 11:19 PM (m0h0I)
Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at March 16, 2014 11:20 PM (m0h0I)
http://is.gd/19HZiz
Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at March 17, 2014 03:19 AM (m0h0I) Hide posts from (m0h0I)
My first Ibanez musician was a Greco. Same company, same factory....probably first sold in asia. The Telecaster standard is bolt-on neck, and it looks like a pretty guitar. How much are they looking for?
Posted by: cthulhu at March 16, 2014 11:22 PM (T1005)
http://is.gd/19HZiz
Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at March 17, 2014 03:19 AM (m0h0I)
yeah, fucking ewww. I know somebody that has one of those.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at March 16, 2014 11:22 PM (FMbng)
The first one was an image posted in some forum that came up in a Google image search.
Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at March 16, 2014 11:30 PM (m0h0I)
Taken out of context, the comment sounds like something else entirely, perhaps of the home made girlfriend sort.
Posted by: Epobirs at March 16, 2014 11:31 PM (bPxS6)
http://is.gd/B4G3rF
Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at March 17, 2014 03:20 AM (m0h0I)
well, for that money you can have a recent american tele. The body on that Ibanez tele looks like a jenga game. I was never bowled over by the lawsuit guitars, because in reality they were trying to make guitars better than the american guitars were at the time, and those guitars were soooo fucking pitiful that even if a copy was made marginally better you still were pretty far off the mark overall.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at March 16, 2014 11:33 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at March 16, 2014 11:34 PM (7mQyC)
http://is.gd/AX5JgN
And, yes -- for a good deal less than what they're asking for the Ibanez clone.
Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at March 16, 2014 11:38 PM (m0h0I)
Obama has requisitioned over 500,000 AK-47 magazines: http://tinyurl.com/kecospy
Look! A squirrel!!!
Posted by: MAx at March 16, 2014 11:38 PM (b7yum)
Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at March 16, 2014 11:40 PM (m0h0I)
The first one was an image posted in some forum that came up in a Google image search.
Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at March 17, 2014 03:30 AM (m0h0I) Hide posts from (m0h0I)
In my mind, the thing to understand about guitars is that they are approaching a set of problems with an infinite set of solutions, so you have to 'grok' where they're coming from in order to evaluate them against the standards of what they are attempting.
Case in point -- LP's pioneered humbuckers to have a warm, rich, fat sound with little noise. They represent fretboard virtuosity because the fretboard is more spacious (wider) than other guitars, and they are meant to "ring" and sustain, through their use of pocketed and joined necks instead of bolt-ons and bodies of exotic woods. You can surpass an LP by making better pickups, cutting the noise, emphasizing the sustain, or making the sound richer or more variable.
Strats tend to have a thinner, "lead-ier" sound from their single-coil pickups (though they have more variety in-play from bridge to neck), be faster to finger (because their fingerboard is narrower) but less accurate, and are optimized towards more staccato phrasings than washes (bolt-on neck). They are also more bend-y. To be better than a Strat, you can have more versatile pickups, a faster neck, and a better tremolo.
That's not to say that you can't graft better sustain into a Strat, or thinner, "lead-ier" sound into an LP.....but that's not why you should have chosen that "style" of axe in the first place.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 16, 2014 11:54 PM (T1005)
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It gets more fun from there. Back in the day, if you had money to burn (like, maybe, you were a touring act with a recording contract) you'd have whole different amplification systems to go with your different axes for different sounds.
My ex-boss, the long-time guitar collector, recently converted most of his stuff to Line 6 Variaxes. Things have gotten to the point where the nuances of sound output can all be simulated reasonably-well using virtual pickups and virtual amps, and most of what matters is comfort in the hand. I think there's still a difference, but wouldn't bet on there being one in five years.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 17, 2014 12:07 AM (T1005)
I love my '72 Tele Thinline Reissue, and it's a pretty damned good compromise between the standard Tele setup and a Les Paul, I think.
For a while, I was considering a Strat for my next guitar, but I've been a Les Paul guy at heart, ever since I was a starry-eyed kid. I may eventually get a Strat at some point, but for now, I have my sights set on a LP studio -- ideally, one in Pelham blue.
But, finding a great deal on just about any LP would make me pretty happy.
Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at March 17, 2014 12:09 AM (m0h0I)
http://is.gd/AX5JgN
And, yes -- for a good deal less than what they're asking for the Ibanez clone.
Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at March 17, 2014 03:38 AM (m0h0I)
Yeah there is really no reason to get a copy anything, because there are just too many good real ones out there. That wasn't the case some years back, but it is today. Ok yeah, there are some guitars that are soooooo fucking epensive that a copy is the only thing one can get, but for the most part it don't pay. Sometimes you do find some cheap guitars that are absolute freaks of nature and you just can't pass them up. I have this one les paul copy, its called an SVK. I think it was a pair of American dudes who had them built overseas to their specs until gibson caught wind and put a stop to them. Its a set neck, made with really nice mahogany, incredible neck and fret job, and I needed it like a 3rd asshole because there are 5 real ones here, but for $200 with real grover tuners I couldn't say no, because it plays insane and once I added some better pickups the sucker became a blowtorch.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at March 17, 2014 12:09 AM (FMbng)
Posted by: Adriane... at March 17, 2014 12:15 AM (qoKTg)
G'night Adriane and the rest of you 'Rons n' 'Ettes!
Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at March 17, 2014 12:19 AM (m0h0I)
I love my '72 Tele Thinline Reissue, and it's a pretty damned good compromise between the standard Tele setup and a Les Paul, I think.
For a while, I was considering a Strat for my next guitar, but I've been a Les Paul guy at heart, ever since I was a starry-eyed kid. I may eventually get a Strat at some point, but for now, I have my sights set on a LP studio -- ideally, one in Pelham blue.
But, finding a great deal on just about any LP would make me pretty happy.
Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at March 17, 2014 04:09 AM (m0h0I) Hide posts from (m0h0I)
One of the things that I do, when I'm not obsessively pursuing Ibanez Musicians, is consider the total space and what I've got covered. I ain't got twang, for instance....I could well use a Tele and learn to do some chicken-pickin'. On the bass end, I can run all over Precision or Jazz basses....but can't quite get enough growl for a Ricky, thwub for a fretless, or ring for an acoustic.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 17, 2014 12:19 AM (T1005)
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at March 17, 2014 12:20 AM (FMbng)
Seriously -- same dude, same song, guy knows his way around a fretboard, different axes....different interpretations.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 17, 2014 12:39 AM (T1005)
I think I just amazed myself.....I put that up there without watching the vids to the end.
You want a great example of why the axe makes a difference, watch those two.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 17, 2014 12:46 AM (T1005)
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Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at March 17, 2014 12:53 AM (FMbng)
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at March 17, 2014 04:53 AM (FMbng) Hide posts from (FMbng)
Dude, ignore what's in his head -- the variables between those two vids is a minor amount of time, a minor amount of approach, and two very disparate guitars.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 17, 2014 12:56 AM (T1005)
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Prayers for you and your brother.
And Baltimore County schools are closed due to snow.
Imagine that.
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That could also explain the slow loss of electrical systems. And the drastic changes in altitude as the pilots trying to get high enough to put out the flames, and then a dive to "whip" out the flames (or they too succumbed to the loss of O2).
Posted by: captainfish at March 17, 2014 06:07 AM (HgkYj)
Clean-up, repaint. 9) ProfitYou would need: An experienced pilot, a hanger, a couple of guys to move bodies and paint. You could have the cable made, most cable house would have no idea what it would be for. The hardest part in the hanger.
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