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December 13, 2009

Putting the "Hockey Stick" into perspective. [krakatoa]
— Open Blog

It's important to bear in mind that the discrediting of Mann's Hockey Stick didn't rely on a lack of warming, but rather centered on the rate and amplitude of the warming, and in comparison to historic trends.

Doc @ The Autopsy has compiled the Greenland & Vostok Ice Core graphs in a tidy YouTube presentation which is helpful for perspective.

Anthony Watts adds in the the instrumental data post 1900, as the nature of ice cores require several decades of compaction to form. Even with that data which has become suspect, the point is clearly made. Current warming is far from historic highs, far from unusual in our current 10000 year warm trend, and we should all be far more worried about what causes Ice Ages.

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lacoste shoes got first?

damn, maybe the cubs will win the world series next

Posted by: navycopjoe at December 13, 2009 08:00 AM (uxxC1)

2

Wow! - spam for breakfast.

Posted by: Tinian at December 13, 2009 08:01 AM (7+pP9)

3 heh

Posted by: navycopjoe at December 13, 2009 08:04 AM (uxxC1)

4 The AGW "Downfall" vid was pretty good too.

Posted by: JavaJoe at December 13, 2009 08:05 AM (Am6n/)

Hang on a minute. Note the time on that Lacoste thingy?

Something ain't right here guys.

Posted by: HH at December 13, 2009 08:06 AM (+jvXp)

6 Dayum,

Obama falls to -19 on Rasmussen today. Thats -8 points in two days. Good lord.

Posted by: Bill MItchell at December 13, 2009 08:06 AM (Gm9rd)

7 krakatoa
Have you seen the AP denial article they released last night?

Posted by: Vic at December 13, 2009 08:08 AM (CDUiN)

8 As long as there's no warming, might as well make more cheap sneaker knock-offs in the ole sweatshop

Posted by: evil midnight bomber what bombs at midnight at December 13, 2009 08:08 AM (S2oU0)

Hey, I just found out what an Ugg boots is last night. They're really sucky-looking!

And where's Ben? What happened to his Steelers? I just heard they lost last weekend to the Browns? COME ON!!

Posted by: Truman North at December 13, 2009 08:11 AM (XH/G8)

10 The data without their "homogenization" appears to actually negate much of the warming trend. In fact, the data from stations not in cities seems to negate all of the warming trend. I'm starting to wonder just how accurate the global warming thing was now, was the world really warming for years?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 13, 2009 08:12 AM (PQY7w)

11 Obama's disapproval has homogenized into a hockey stick.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at December 13, 2009 08:14 AM (DIYmd)

12 Vic , Check this out .

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at December 13, 2009 08:18 AM (vKdhq)

13 The Goddess Irony strikes again! They should have stuck with their "Looming Ice Age" schtick from the 70's.

Posted by: eman at December 13, 2009 08:20 AM (iU0au)

14 This needs some music. Maybe along the lines of Saber Dance? Some other recent YouTube video had the perfect song for this, but I can't remember it now...

Posted by: Wolfwood at December 13, 2009 08:21 AM (DF1HJ)

15 Regarding Barry's song dropping out of the Top Twenty: his strongly approve numbers are dropping faster than the strongly disapprove numbers are rising. The Independents are filling with doubt, but many haven't jumped to the Dark Side yet. But, they will soon.

Posted by: eman at December 13, 2009 08:24 AM (iU0au)

Here's an excellent summation of the trick and hide the decline from the UK Daily Mail. (And the Russians admit the data was dumped on a Russian server, but the Russians and their secret service had nothing to do with it with the Russians hinting that they knew who did it.)

Posted by: andycanuck at December 13, 2009 08:27 AM (2qU2d)

17 Vic ,

Check this out .

Hahahahaha; ion a real world these idiots would be shamed to death and fired.

Posted by: Vic at December 13, 2009 08:27 AM (CDUiN)

18 The AP article was a disgrace. It is an opinion piece - they put a team of crack journalists on it, who examined the emails and concluded, no big deal, the science is still settled. What a scam.

Posted by: the real joe at December 13, 2009 08:29 AM (SUYSs)

19 Check this out .

Wow. That's just ridiculous. People should call that reporter's number and pretend to be Michael Mann telling him what to print - bonus points if something obviously stupid actually makes it out.

Posted by: Ian S. at December 13, 2009 08:29 AM (pg/HS)

And there's more on the coverup here from the UK Daily Telegraph.

BTW, both this link and the Daily Mail one, above, came from SDA commenters: FREE and ward.

Posted by: andycanuck at December 13, 2009 08:31 AM (2qU2d)

21 Obama's poll numbers would be better if we fed them into Mann's program. I bet his popularity is actually rising like a hockey stick!

Posted by: Just Another Cat at December 13, 2009 08:32 AM (LSa1B)

22 The AP article was a disgrace. It is an opinion piece - they put a team of crack journalists on it, who examined the emails and concluded, no big deal, the science is still settled. What a scam.

Posted by: the real joe at December 13, 2009 12:29 PM (SUYSs)

That article made the front page of my local rag today.

Probably the same bunch of AP reporters who checked out Sarah Palin's book.

Posted by: YIKES! at December 13, 2009 08:40 AM (/cfp9)

23 What was funny about that AP article was that for once, Fox did not post it. I guess even their weekend liberal editors thought it was too much.

Posted by: Vic at December 13, 2009 08:41 AM (CDUiN)

24 The MSM is the shill. Their role is to convince us the con isn't a con, it's legit. The beauty of it is most members of the MSM are so stupid and ignorant they don't even know they are being used.

Posted by: eman at December 13, 2009 08:44 AM (IERSf)

25 I'm tired of reading about GW. But that cuts both ways. The next person to talk to me about the supposed !catastraphic! 1.9 degrees centigrade rise over the next hundred years will get an earful about how astronomically petty they are.

Posted by: Cincinnatus at December 13, 2009 08:55 AM (f4sLg)

Hey, I just found out what an Ugg boots is last night. They're really sucky-looking!

I agree they are ugly but they are super comfortable and warm, warm, warm. They are so addicitive, it's hard to go to be because it's polite to take them off. It's the first comfortable fashionable woman's shoe ever created.

In a purely fashion sense, why would WARM boots for women be popular if the earth were actually getting warmer--doesn't make sense unless when the ice age starts bearing down flip-flops become the winter choice.

Posted by: dagny at December 13, 2009 09:07 AM (wM6F3)

27 go to bed

Posted by: dagny at December 13, 2009 09:07 AM (wM6F3)

28 Humans have always flourished in warmer eras and declined during cold eras. I am convinced that the extreme tree-hugging, bed-wetting libs want the human race to decline to less than one million hunter vegan gatherers world wide.

Posted by: Pelayo at December 13, 2009 09:13 AM (8NGHm)

I complained I had Lacoste shoe spam, and then met a man who had no tweets.

Posted by: andycanuck at December 13, 2009 09:15 AM (2qU2d)

30 eman: "The beauty of it is most members of the MSM are so stupid and ignorant they don't even know they are being used."

While I agree with the former as far as the actual science and interpretation of it goes, I think they know they are being used, and they agree with it -- agree with being pitchmen. They don't care because they are philosophically simpatico with the "settled science." It's a way to "change the world"... "for the children."

In fact start looking for the "social justice" of global warming if you haven't already. If the peddling of it hasn't been done already, it will be since the climate alarmists are now shooting blanks while the public opinion tide turns. They'll need to tack in a different direction becasue of all the blowback.

Remember when Team Obama and the Democrats were, via the National Endowments for the Arts, trying to synchronize with media of all sorts to peddle Obama/statism but got caught? (See Yosi Sargeant and BigHollywoodcom.) I'm starting to see this theme get inserted into all sorts of advocacy presented as "news" stories. A family member pointed this out to me this weekend in my local rag. Disparate stories had both the philosophy and the exact term "social justice" stuck in.

So while the heat may have died down a bit because of the expose of Sargent, don't think the tactic has been abandoned. The shell was moved and now it's just under the radar. Global warming alarmism is a natural fit for this "social justice." Expect more of the latter even if the former dies down briefly. These facsists/statists cannot afford to give up this fight. It's in their DNA.

And GOP, if you're reading -- now would be a really good time to obstruct. Do NOT let this stuff pass. Health insurance "reform" and Cap & Tax would doom this nation. If you cannot bother to obstruct on this, then there's no point in having you around.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 13, 2009 09:21 AM (50S+L)

"E-mails stolen from climate scientists show they stonewalled skeptics and discussed hiding data Â— but the messages donÂ’t support claims that the science of global warming was faked, according to an exhaustive review by The Associated Press."

Doh, if it is not faked, why would they stonewall skeptics and discuss hiding data? People who stonewall and hide things do it BECAUSE THEY HAVE SOMETHING DIRTY TO HIDE, DAMMIT.

Posted by: Pelayo at December 13, 2009 09:22 AM (8NGHm)

32 AnonymousDrivel, I agree, it was poorly phrased. My point was to speak of the mental capacity of the MSM members, not their motives.

Posted by: eman at December 13, 2009 09:27 AM (IERSf)

33 Pelayo@34,

The real crime was the exposing of internal communiques and plots no matter how unethical and illegal. That's where our focus and anger should be.

We're at war with Whistleblowers. We've always been at war with Whistleblowers.

Posted by: MSM at December 13, 2009 09:28 AM (50S+L)

34 eman: "My point was to speak of the mental capacity of the MSM members, not their motives."

Consensus has been reached. (Neo)Liberals Eco-weenies still suck. And they're notably scientifically illiterate.

Actually, eman, I kinda wanted to use your post as a jumping-off point for the "social justice" Easter eggs commentary. So, thanks, and I hope you didn't mind. Check's in the mail.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 13, 2009 09:36 AM (50S+L)

35 Professor Trevor Davies, the universityÂ’s Pro-Vice Chancellor and a former CRU director, told me. Â‘I am certain that the science is rock solid.Â’He admitted that his CRU colleagues had sometimes used Â‘injudicious phrasesÂ’, but that was because they kept on being Â‘divertedÂ’ from their work by those who wished to scrutinise it. Â‘ItÂ’s understandable that sometimes people get frustrated,Â’ he said. The only lesson the affair had for him was that Â‘we have got to get better in terms of explanation. Some scientists still find it quite it difficult to communicate with the public.Â’

So there you have it. The lying, data fudging, and data destruction is all your fault for being so dense. You made us do it.

Posted by: pep at December 13, 2009 09:37 AM (DZyVK)

36 AnonymousDrivel, Thou art most kind. May you know the Peace of Landru.

Posted by: eman at December 13, 2009 09:40 AM (IERSf)

37 Oh, forgot to ask. "the "social justice" Easter eggs commentary" What is this of which you speak?

Posted by: eman at December 13, 2009 09:42 AM (IERSf)

38 eman: "What is this of which you speak?"

In news stories it was pointed out to me the use of "social justice" both as an ancillary theme and as a term. I'd never seen it used quite like this before and now it's inserted into several different stories for no apparent (well, compelling anyway) reason. This is not an accident. It's like finding an Easter egg.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 13, 2009 09:47 AM (50S+L)

The average person will never devote the time necessary to fully understand the "science of global warming". Merely posting the broader definition of Â“HubrisÂ” with any AGW articles, blogs or OP eds should end this non-sense as far the general public is concerned.

Posted by: Adobe Walls at December 13, 2009 09:49 AM (lUiZg)

Landru? That asshole?

If you don't "reach", then we're going to have to kill you once we reach Eden.

Posted by: space hippie at December 13, 2009 09:49 AM (2qU2d)

In news stories it was pointed out to me the use of "social justice" both as an ancillary theme and as a term.

The assholes are pushing Copenhagen as "climate justice". I even heard a MSM teleprompter reader yesterday using the new fucking eco-left buzz phrase yesterday.

Posted by: andycanuck at December 13, 2009 09:52 AM (2qU2d)

Excuse the redundancy.

No, not the two "yesterdays", but "fucking eco-left".

Posted by: andycanuck at December 13, 2009 09:54 AM (2qU2d)

43 AnonymousDrivel, oic, thanks. andycanuck, "climate justice"? Who will speak for the Glaciers? No Justice, No Ice?

Posted by: eman at December 13, 2009 09:57 AM (IERSf)

44 Krakatoa, thank for the great work you are doing on this.

Posted by: robtr at December 13, 2009 10:23 AM (fwSHf)

45 I have been waiting to see this. The hockey stick is like a pebble to an ant.

Posted by: Don't Tread On Me at December 13, 2009 10:39 AM (6W8+8)

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