December 20, 2009
— Gabriel Malor Scheduled to take place at 1am Eastern, which is seven minutes from now.
Yes, America, this is how laws get made now: written in secret, voted on in the dark of night.
Tonight will be the first of three procedural votes the Democrats need to pass in order to destroy America's healthcare system.
Assuming they get 60 votes for cloture on the Manager's Amendment, the Democrats must wait 30 hours for the next vote (roughly until 7am Tuesday) , which will be an up-or-down vote on the Manager's Amendment. 50 votes required.
Immediately following the vote on the Manager's Amendment there's going to be a cloture vote on the Reid Substitute. It also requires 60 votes. Then Democrats must wait 30 more hours for an up-or-down vote on the Reid Substitute (until roughly 1pm Wednesday) . Only 50 votes required.
Immediately after the vote on the Reid Substitute, there will be a cloture vote on the final bill, ReidCare. 60 votes required. Then Democrats must wait 30 more hours for the final up-or-down vote on ReidCare. That requires only 50 votes and it should take place, if everything goes according to schedule, on Thursday, Christmas Eve around 7pm.
Merry Fucking Christmas.
1:08am So Reid's just yammering on. Can we tweak him for already being off schedule?
1:10am Voting now. Am I a bad person for hoping for a freak earthquake?
1:17am It's done. No surprises. The vote was 60-40 on strict party lines. The clock is now ticking.
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Posted by: mesablue at December 20, 2009 08:57 PM (vAnE9)
Merry Christmas morons, from Harry Reid. Once they bankrupt the coal industry with cap-and-trade, we won't be able to send these buttheads anything at all as a gift.
*spit*
Posted by: Fallen Sparrow at December 20, 2009 08:57 PM (zTpOZ)
Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 20, 2009 08:59 PM (Q9fJG)
Posted by: Hatchet Five at December 20, 2009 08:59 PM (WCe8b)
Posted by: fartbubble at December 20, 2009 09:00 PM (cBeTr)
Posted by: Mike "The Situation" at December 20, 2009 09:01 PM (muUqs)
Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 20, 2009 09:02 PM (Q9fJG)
Posted by: NickLevi86 at December 20, 2009 09:03 PM (CkMFk)
Posted by: Trish at December 20, 2009 09:03 PM (0U5Kd)
Posted by: Girl Thursday at December 20, 2009 09:04 PM (y3twI)
Posted by: TheresaD at December 20, 2009 09:04 PM (iGCmo)
Posted by: Steph at December 20, 2009 09:04 PM (ZbvBp)
Posted by: mesablue at December 20, 2009 09:05 PM (vAnE9)
Why is that?
Posted by: The Ghost of Emily Latella (Apologies to Gilda Radner) at December 20, 2009 09:06 PM (PU/sc)
Posted by: t-bird at December 20, 2009 09:06 PM (FcR7P)
Man, these people are disgusting.
Posted by: John Wayne Gacy at December 20, 2009 09:06 PM (tm15w)
Posted by: Mætenloch at December 20, 2009 09:07 PM (mQi3C)
Oh, no! 25 posts went up in 1 second! The unobtainium must have exploded.
Posted by: andycanuck at December 20, 2009 09:07 PM (2qU2d)
Posted by: garrett at December 20, 2009 09:08 PM (LogZg)
Posted by: wherestherum at December 20, 2009 09:10 PM (gofDd)
And cannot afford. It does not matter what is in the bill, the cost of it, along with all the other irresponsible spending, will sink this country into financial collapse. This is not a bill. It is a nail in the coffin of this country.
We are financing govt operations with money we do not have, from creditors we consider adversaries or enemies.
When Osama bin Laden made his plans to attack the United States, he chose his targets as symbols: the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and the Capitol Building. Something like that. His actions were to create an impact to shake the country, and force it to lose its confidence, and to put a fatal blow to our economy.
With the willing accomplices on Wall Street and the banks, the Congress, with just strokes of the pen, are on their way of achieving bin Laden's dream of the destruction of this country with its time honored institutions and its economy.
This is either deliberate, or it is suicidal madness.
So who is the real enemy here?
It is going to take some real work and sacrifice, and a whole lot more to undo what the dems are doing to this country, if it can be repaired at all. The people have voted themselves a raise with nothing in the bank. I fear for the future existence of this country, and for my children and grandchildren.
This is treason on the installment plan.
Posted by: Alaska Paul at December 20, 2009 09:11 PM (W2ZJo)
Posted by: garrett at December 20, 2009 09:11 PM (LogZg)
Otherwise all these jerkies can go get fecked. Right up the ass!
Posted by: Robert at December 20, 2009 09:11 PM (4ixH5)
Posted by: Girl Thursday at December 20, 2009 09:12 PM (y3twI)
Posted by: Dan at December 20, 2009 09:12 PM (KZraB)
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at December 20, 2009 09:12 PM (zmiSr)
during his yammering did Reid happen to mention where the fire is? why is this all being done at breakneck speed under the cover of darkness? i know the answer, but just for once i would like for them to be honest.
Posted by: exceller at December 20, 2009 09:12 PM (Z7Znk)
Posted by: mke at December 20, 2009 09:14 PM (dHAgM)
Posted by: Trish at December 20, 2009 09:14 PM (0U5Kd)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 20, 2009 09:15 PM (xGIqT)
No spending increases of any kind without cash on hand in advance. Exceptions: There are no exceptions other than declared wars.
If that is pushed hard, it would merge the TEA parties and Republicans while flushing everyone who can't agree with something fairly fundamental.
Posted by: Al at December 20, 2009 09:15 PM (0lyUI)
Posted by: Girl Thursday at December 20, 2009 09:15 PM (y3twI)
Well, there goes my hopes he was gonna stab the Dems in the back for fucking him over for the past three years.
And Nelson, aye.
Fuck 'em all.
Posted by: Robert at December 20, 2009 09:15 PM (4ixH5)
Posted by: rookwood at December 20, 2009 09:16 PM (cOXVZ)
Posted by: Dr. Spank at December 20, 2009 09:16 PM (muUqs)
Posted by: passionate conservative at December 20, 2009 09:16 PM (PU/sc)
Posted by: Steph at December 20, 2009 09:16 PM (ZbvBp)
during his yammering did Reid happen to mention where the fire is?
If you had a copy of my upcoming Autobiography of Barack Obama's Presidency, you'd know why. It all in there...shit, should I be saying this?
Posted by: Bill Ayers at December 20, 2009 09:16 PM (LogZg)
Posted by: Hatchet Five at December 20, 2009 09:17 PM (WCe8b)
Posted by: curious at December 20, 2009 09:17 PM (p302b)
Posted by: MPFS, Holiday Fish Stick at December 20, 2009 09:19 PM (PBGAP)
Posted by: Hatchet Five at December 20, 2009 09:19 PM (WCe8b)
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at December 20, 2009 09:20 PM (zmiSr)
Posted by: curious at December 20, 2009 09:20 PM (p302b)
Posted by: Girl Thursday at December 20, 2009 09:20 PM (y3twI)
Posted by: curious at December 21, 2009 01:17 AM (p302b)
Well if you can't say 'fuck' under these circumstances, when can you?
Posted by: Mætenloch at December 20, 2009 09:20 PM (mQi3C)
Posted by: BS, Inc. at December 20, 2009 09:20 PM (H8eTR)
Posted by: wherestherum at December 20, 2009 09:21 PM (gofDd)
Posted by: exceller at December 20, 2009 09:21 PM (Z7Znk)
Posted by: eman at December 20, 2009 09:21 PM (yf/JJ)
It is describing the day Christ was born.
Posted by: curious at December 20, 2009 09:22 PM (p302b)
They're relying pretty heavily on the media for these next elections. But then, the press hate us enough to comply with the Dems.
Posted by: Z Ryan at December 20, 2009 09:22 PM (cMo6P)
Posted by: MPFS, Holiday Fish Stick at December 20, 2009 09:22 PM (PBGAP)
Posted by: Steph at December 20, 2009 09:23 PM (ZbvBp)
Posted by: Dan at December 20, 2009 09:23 PM (KZraB)
What's in this bill needs to come out in the next few days. Maybe there's still a chance to derail on the final Reid bill?
Posted by: ParisParamus at December 20, 2009 09:23 PM (9Kvl0)
Corruption We Can Believe In
Posted by: BlendXD at December 20, 2009 09:23 PM (pw3JU)
Posted by: eman at December 20, 2009 09:23 PM (yf/JJ)
Anyway, an entirely appropriate reaction, IMHO, to Reid and his band of whores having us bend over and reaming us from behind.
Posted by: TheresaD at December 20, 2009 09:24 PM (iGCmo)
Posted by: MPFS, Holiday Fish Stick at December 20, 2009 09:24 PM (PBGAP)
Posted by: curious at December 20, 2009 09:25 PM (p302b)
Posted by: BlendXD at December 20, 2009 09:25 PM (pw3JU)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 20, 2009 09:25 PM (xGIqT)
Posted by: John C at December 20, 2009 09:26 PM (UeU18)
Posted by: BlendXD at December 21, 2009 01:25 AM (pw3JU)
Is there a bill? wouldn't it be online if there was. They have no bill, well no bill their constituents can see. You would object to the salary raises and the lifetime terms.
Posted by: curious at December 20, 2009 09:27 PM (p302b)
Posted by: wherestherum at December 20, 2009 09:27 PM (gofDd)
Remember where you were because you are seeing the distinct moment that America began its decline. ~Dan
I noticed the decline on November 4, 2008, at least it was obvious to me. The conditions for the decline were set on November 7, 2006.
Posted by: Speller at December 20, 2009 09:27 PM (7Ldd7)
Posted by: Hatchet Five at December 20, 2009 09:27 PM (WCe8b)
Posted by: ParisParamus at December 20, 2009 09:28 PM (9Kvl0)
If this shit passes, it never gets undone. Unless we can take back the House AND get 20, TWENTY, Republicans elected to the Senate, but the odds of that happening are about as good as the odds of Obama getting abducted by fisting loving Martians.
Posted by: Robert at December 20, 2009 09:28 PM (4ixH5)
Posted by: Barbarian at December 20, 2009 09:29 PM (EL+OC)
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at December 20, 2009 09:29 PM (zmiSr)
Posted by: eman at December 20, 2009 09:29 PM (yf/JJ)
It's time to go VIRAL on these traitors in America!
Posted by: Time for a Democrat countdown at December 20, 2009 09:29 PM (pq986)
And I don't see how she doesn't insist on a public option. And the other libtards are going to be pushing to get funded abortions reinstated.
Empire of Jeff at December 21, 2009 01:25 AM (xGIqT)
McConnell said the funding of abortions is in the Senate bill. You'll just have to make 2 payments to the gov. One for the abortion fudning and one for the regualr insurace payment. It's all in how the basturds worded it.
Posted by: Steph at December 20, 2009 09:30 PM (ZbvBp)
We have A LITTLE time to reverse course with our insane policies, but if we do not 2009 will do down as the turning point of American power and prestige.
It is very sad. I will still fight, even if its a losing battle as I know you all will.
Posted by: Dan at December 20, 2009 09:31 PM (KZraB)
Posted by: Steph at December 20, 2009 09:32 PM (ZbvBp)
Posted by: eman at December 20, 2009 09:33 PM (yf/JJ)
Posted by: Donna at December 20, 2009 09:33 PM (6heFO)
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at December 20, 2009 09:33 PM (zmiSr)
Posted by: ParisParamus at December 20, 2009 09:33 PM (9Kvl0)
Posted by: Rocks at December 20, 2009 09:33 PM (2bmRi)
Posted by: enoxo at December 20, 2009 09:33 PM (pBYUX)
Posted by: Girl Thursday at December 20, 2009 09:33 PM (y3twI)
or do they have "something" on every one of them?
Posted by: curious at December 20, 2009 09:34 PM (p302b)
Posted by: Mike at December 20, 2009 09:34 PM (Vui52)
Been very busy, should have been watching the call volume.
Posted by: curious at December 20, 2009 09:35 PM (p302b)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 20, 2009 09:35 PM (xGIqT)
And I don't see how she doesn't insist on a public option. And the other libtards are going to be pushing to get funded abortions reinstated.
And both of those are non-starters in the Senate.
They'll pass it. And whatever isn't in it will be "reformed" in later. They know this will totally fuck up everyone's health care; they will sell further communism as the only solution. Mark my words.
Posted by: Hatchet Five at December 20, 2009 09:35 PM (WCe8b)
Posted by: ParisParamus at December 21, 2009 01:34 AM (9Kvl0)
Why sell, rumor has it that there are all kinds of perks for the insurance companies.
Posted by: curious at December 20, 2009 09:35 PM (p302b)
Posted by: Robert at December 20, 2009 09:35 PM (4ixH5)
Posted by: Machinehead at December 20, 2009 09:36 PM (qRUWs)
Posted by: Melvin Winter at December 20, 2009 09:36 PM (uk5lh)
Posted by: BlendXD at December 20, 2009 09:36 PM (pw3JU)
Greetings, Comrades!
May the blessings of Our Messiah and True Savior, Obama the Lightbringer, fall upon you and your family in this secular Winter Holiday Season. The last vestiges of the old, racist, Rethuglikkk have been swept away.
Paradise awaits, Comrades! Let us boldly go forward into the modern age, in His name.
Fuck it, 233 years was a pretty good run.
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at December 20, 2009 09:37 PM (8MuSQ)
I think that a fine start would be making sure the states that didn't prick tickle Reid to the last possible second making sure their own states would be exempt from some of the more damaging parts of this bill, know how that worked. It's a simple message, "If it's good legislation, why do you want out?" Also people need to see that when they go to work, a part of their day will be spent paying for the murder of babies. Also pitchforks and torches.
Posted by: Modgi at December 20, 2009 09:37 PM (c96aC)
passing bills like gas in the middle of the night
welcome everybody to the welfare state
screw the constitution, now isn't this great?
Posted by: LikeATimeBomb at December 20, 2009 09:37 PM (dwwPD)
(There's no way in hell either of them might succumb to sanity, so I'm all about pushing them out of the far side of the boat.)
Posted by: Al at December 20, 2009 09:39 PM (0lyUI)
Posted by: enoxo at December 20, 2009 09:39 PM (pBYUX)
Posted by: wherestherum at December 20, 2009 09:39 PM (gofDd)
Posted by: arhooley at December 20, 2009 09:39 PM (GKXA7)
The prez is "on holiday"? Where is he "on holiday"?
Stuff I'm hearing from people online.
Posted by: curious at December 20, 2009 09:40 PM (p302b)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 20, 2009 09:40 PM (xGIqT)
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The lefties are pondering this, too. Jane Hamsher is making tentative inquiries about an alliance with the Tea Partiers.
Posted by: arhooley at December 20, 2009 09:41 PM (GKXA7)
Posted by: Steph at December 20, 2009 09:42 PM (ZbvBp)
Posted by: eman at December 20, 2009 09:42 PM (yf/JJ)
So, yes, they'll pass this Senate bill by Christmas Eve, get fancy headlines they wanted. But that's not the end of the road.
Posted by: enoxo at December 21, 2009 01:39 AM (pBYUX)
I had the opposite reaction, it's reconciled and the surprise will be that on Christmas Day we get the "nice Christmas present" of being screwed and finding out, both sides passed the same bill.
Posted by: curious at December 20, 2009 09:42 PM (p302b)
Dammit!
Well, the standards are much lower for the House. You would think the standards for membership in the US Senate are a little higher.
Not that they don't prove me wrong on a regular basis.
Posted by: Robert at December 20, 2009 09:43 PM (4ixH5)
Posted by: enoxo at December 20, 2009 09:43 PM (pBYUX)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 20, 2009 09:45 PM (xGIqT)
Posted by: arhooley at December 20, 2009 09:45 PM (GKXA7)
Posted by: curious at December 20, 2009 09:45 PM (p302b)
Pelosi doesn't have the votes to ping-pong the Senate's bill. They would revolt against her.
enoxo at December 21, 2009 01:43 AM (pBYUX)
I think that they think they can do it, and come back later and fix whatever they want to. They probably think that we'll all just quiet down, and they'll do something when they think we aren't paying attention.
Posted by: Steph at December 20, 2009 09:46 PM (ZbvBp)
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The very one. That's how hated this bill is.
Posted by: arhooley at December 20, 2009 09:46 PM (GKXA7)
Posted by: Shannon at December 20, 2009 09:47 PM (N13Qd)
Posted by: Peggy Joseph at December 20, 2009 09:47 PM (FD3EH)
Posted by: curious at December 20, 2009 09:47 PM (p302b)
Posted by: Howard Dean at December 20, 2009 09:48 PM (xGIqT)
Posted by: Time for a Democrat countdown at December 20, 2009 09:48 PM (pq986)
Posted by: libbyt at December 20, 2009 09:48 PM (5I0Yr)
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No, it's something like you opt in for abortion insurance, but you write a separate check to do it. It's nothing but a Stupid Bookkeeper's Trick.
Posted by: arhooley at December 20, 2009 09:48 PM (GKXA7)
Posted by: Done With California Moonbats at December 20, 2009 09:49 PM (HAdov)
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Yes.
Posted by: arhooley at December 20, 2009 09:49 PM (GKXA7)
Posted by: Dan at December 20, 2009 09:49 PM (KZraB)
Posted by: enoxo at December 20, 2009 09:50 PM (pBYUX)
Remember the days when congressmen were ousted for bribery, racketeering, fraud, the list is endless?
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at December 20, 2009 09:51 PM (zmiSr)
I hate to say it, but Olber-douche was on to something in saying he'll refuse to buy a policy and pay (for the wrong reasons, of course...). I think I may refuse, too.
Posted by: GregInSeattle at December 20, 2009 09:51 PM (B5cM9)
Shannon at December 21, 2009 01:47 AM (N13Qd)
I don't know if everyone is going to have to do that, but I do know that abortion is federally funded in the Senate bill. It's just that if you want it, you will have to write a seperate check for it to be included in your coverage. That's supposedly their way of getting around specific language in the bill.
I read it today, but I don't remember where. I'll try to find it.
Posted by: Steph at December 20, 2009 09:51 PM (ZbvBp)
I would bet my life on this.....If the founding fathers were alive today, they would walk into the capital building with guns and start shooting people.
Remember, these people went to war and killed people over "excessive taxes."
The straw that broke their backs was the tax on a breakfast beverage.
Now you tell me, what is worse? That, or what is happening now?
Posted by: Dan at December 20, 2009 09:51 PM (KZraB)
Posted by: Peggy Joseph's Dog at December 20, 2009 09:54 PM (FD3EH)
Posted by: arhooley at December 20, 2009 09:54 PM (GKXA7)
Shannon, I found it at the WSJ. The last paragraph is their way out, but the article does talk about the 2 check deal.
"Both sides said they wanted to keep the status quo, in which federally subsidized plans such as Medicaid are barred by law from covering abortion, but private plans are allowed to do so. But the health bill would give Americans a plan that's paid for partly by the government and partly with their own dollars, making it unclear how to apply current regulations."
Posted by: Steph at December 20, 2009 09:56 PM (ZbvBp)
Posted by: GregInSeattle at December 20, 2009 09:56 PM (B5cM9)
Posted by: eman at December 20, 2009 09:58 PM (yf/JJ)
Posted by: arhooley at December 20, 2009 09:59 PM (GKXA7)
Posted by: Shannon at December 20, 2009 09:59 PM (N13Qd)
Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at December 20, 2009 09:59 PM (Vu6sl)
Posted by: wherestherum at December 20, 2009 10:00 PM (gofDd)
Posted by: arhooley at December 20, 2009 10:01 PM (GKXA7)
Greginseattle, Oh yes I know. But what we are dealing with today did not start with this healthcare bill. It has been going on ever since Reagan left office.
Bush 41 big government, clinton big government, bush 43 big government, obama BIGGEST government. We are talking well over 20 years of our Debts skyrocketing.
We could go back to wilson and FDR, but thats not even necessary. Our debts were manageable until recently and the problem is there is no end in sight. 9 trillion will be added in the next 10 years minimum.
Posted by: Dan at December 20, 2009 10:01 PM (KZraB)
Posted by: enoxo at December 21, 2009 01:50 AM (pBYUX)
I pray you're right, but, as of this moment, I don't trust any of them to do what makes sense. I mean, damn, they haven't, yet.
Posted by: Steph at December 20, 2009 10:01 PM (ZbvBp)
Fuck comets. I want these fucking fucker pukes to catch a flesh eating virus that causes their skin to rot off their fucking bones.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 20, 2009 10:02 PM (P33XN)
Assembly (forcing me to associate), Religion (exemptions missing), Petition (Can't sue health care provider when they're the gov't), "Secure in their persons" doesn't jibe with the way they're doing medical records, Due Process (You don't appear to get a criminal trial - you go straight to "Owed IRS money and failed to pay= guilty), also a problem with either the sixth or seventh, and it is certainly both cruel and unusual.
Posted by: Al at December 20, 2009 10:02 PM (0lyUI)
Posted by: wherestherum at December 20, 2009 10:03 PM (gofDd)
Posted by: Howard Dean at December 20, 2009 10:04 PM (xGIqT)
I think a great simple way to attack this and explain it to the voters is the simple issue of choice and liberty.
The bill states you MUST purchase an insurance product under penalty of law.
If this is allowed, then they can pass a law saying you have to buy this kind of food, or buy this DVD, or buy this book. It is a direct assault on freedom of choice.
Posted by: Dan at December 20, 2009 10:05 PM (KZraB)
Posted by: arhooley at December 20, 2009 10:05 PM (GKXA7)
Posted by: curious at December 20, 2009 10:06 PM (p302b)
Dan, that's what the libtards are bitching about. They're mad as hell, because this bill has mandates, AND, doesn't have the PO.
I don't care why it gets killed. I just want it dead, dead, dead!
Posted by: Steph at December 20, 2009 10:07 PM (ZbvBp)
Posted by: GregInSeattle at December 20, 2009 10:07 PM (B5cM9)
Posted by: curious at December 20, 2009 10:08 PM (p302b)
@162: "Now is the time for America to act like it's April 19, 1775."
NEVER gonna happen. There's nothing that the government could do that would trigger a revolt.
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at December 20, 2009 10:08 PM (8MuSQ)
Maybe a re-broadcasting of "Ceausescu's Christmas Special - 20th Anniversary Edition" is in order on Christmas Eve...
Posted by: newton at December 20, 2009 10:09 PM (q5ZJk)
Posted by: Brenden at December 20, 2009 10:09 PM (T8da7)
Posted by: curious at December 20, 2009 10:10 PM (p302b)
@162: "Now is the time for America to act like it's April 19, 1775."
NEVER gonna happen. There's nothing that the government could do that would trigger a revolt.
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at December 21, 2009 02:08 AM (8MuSQ)
I believe if they tried to confiscate our weapons that would trigger a revolt.
Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at December 20, 2009 10:10 PM (Vu6sl)
Posted by: Steph at December 20, 2009 10:11 PM (ZbvBp)
Posted by: wherestherum at December 20, 2009 10:12 PM (gofDd)
Posted by: curious at December 20, 2009 10:12 PM (p302b)
Posted by: GregInSeattle at December 20, 2009 10:12 PM (B5cM9)
175: It was a South Carolina Representative - Preston Brooks. His constituents sent him a boatload of canes after he did.
Gotta love the guy.
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at December 20, 2009 10:12 PM (8MuSQ)
Maybe a re-broadcasting of "Ceausescu's Christmas Special - 20th Anniversary Edition" is in order on Christmas Eve...
That was a very special holiday season. I know it warmed my heart. But then again I get a kick out of watching communist thugs get what they deserve.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 20, 2009 10:12 PM (P33XN)
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at December 20, 2009 10:13 PM (zmiSr)
Posted by: Donna at December 20, 2009 10:14 PM (6heFO)
Posted by: Steph at December 20, 2009 10:15 PM (ZbvBp)
Posted by: curious at December 20, 2009 10:15 PM (p302b)
There is hardly anything I have faith in anymore. No public institution inspires faith. CIA and FBI have been turned into PC wimps who cannot protect us.
I have faith in the rank and file military, but not the military leadership. When General Casey says diversity is more important than soldiers lives, that proved it to me once and for all. (Of course there are SOME good ones)
I do have faith that the fire department will come quick if my house is on fire though, so I guess that is something!
Posted by: Dan at December 20, 2009 10:16 PM (KZraB)
Posted by: Ian S. at December 20, 2009 10:16 PM (pg/HS)
Posted by: Dan at December 20, 2009 10:17 PM (KZraB)
188: "I believe if they tried to confiscate our weapons that would trigger a revolt."
Nah, it might trigger some small Waco/Ruby Ridge type things, maybe even some hits on politicians, but nothing large scale.
I do suspect a lot of people would opt to ride the owl-hoot trail, as it was known back when. They'd become outlaws, but not an organized opposition.
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at December 20, 2009 10:18 PM (8MuSQ)
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Steph, I'm in a similar mood. If this ultimately passes both houses, I'm going to go full-time activist.
Posted by: arhooley at December 20, 2009 10:19 PM (GKXA7)
Posted by: enoxo at December 20, 2009 10:19 PM (pBYUX)
Posted by: Donna at December 20, 2009 10:20 PM (6heFO)
Posted by: Steph at December 20, 2009 10:21 PM (ZbvBp)
149 Do you think the founding father's would call this a travesty and worthy of a revolution?
Absolutely.
Posted by: Nicole at December 20, 2009 10:23 PM (CH1cF)
Posted by: curious
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What do you think this 1:00 a.m. Senate vote will do to his popularity rating? I bet he'll lose a few points, which will be like a dam breaking for lefty outrage over his other betrayals. Maybe he'll lose power rapidly and his base will refuse to save his ass with this pass-anything "strategy."
Posted by: arhooley at December 20, 2009 10:24 PM (GKXA7)
True, but at the same time, I think they think they've gotten all of that "fixed", if you know what I mean - ACORN, SEIU, etc...
Posted by: newton at December 20, 2009 10:24 PM (q5ZJk)
Posted by: St. Agnostic at December 20, 2009 10:25 PM (gbCNS)
Posted by: Time for a Democrat countdown at December 20, 2009 10:25 PM (pq986)
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Steph, there may be nothing left to lose for me. I was planning to start a small business in January, and I may be fucked unless I cater exclusively to insurance companies and federal agencies.
Posted by: arhooley at December 20, 2009 10:26 PM (GKXA7)
Maybe that makes it harder, or easier; I don't know. Point is, theirs wasn't a cakewalk.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at December 20, 2009 10:28 PM (zmiSr)
Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at December 20, 2009 10:29 PM (Vu6sl)
Posted by: Steph at December 20, 2009 10:29 PM (ZbvBp)
I just noticed that my hash could be pronounced "chick F" and my last name starts with an F. So that lifted me from suicidal despair for like, half a second, but now I'm back there.
Are failed suicide attempts covered under ObamaCare?
Posted by: Nicole at December 20, 2009 10:29 PM (CH1cF)
Posted by: Steph at December 20, 2009 10:31 PM (ZbvBp)
Posted by: wherestherum at December 20, 2009 10:32 PM (gofDd)
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Not quite, I believe. Their own health and fortunes are protected quite handily in this bill. Threaten those -- force them to live the life they mean to foist on us -- and they might break.
Unfortunately, I have no idea how to do that short of a national referendum or Constitutional amendment that adjusts their benefits.
Posted by: arhooley at December 20, 2009 10:33 PM (GKXA7)
Posted by: Steph at December 20, 2009 10:33 PM (ZbvBp)
Posted by: Peggy Joseph at December 20, 2009 10:34 PM (FD3EH)
And their lives if it came to it."
Quite a few of them actually did.
Posted by: newton at December 20, 2009 10:34 PM (q5ZJk)
Posted by: curious at December 20, 2009 10:35 PM (p302b)
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Thanks for the pep talk, Steph. I'm not sure which way I'll go; I'm kind of enjoying this taste of blood.
Posted by: arhooley at December 20, 2009 10:35 PM (GKXA7)
Well, it's done now. I graduate in March.
Posted by: mpur458 at December 20, 2009 10:36 PM (9wpRe)
I know what you mean, arhooley. I'm at the point that I'm not sure what I'm going to do, but I'm going to do something. I'm damn sure not going to sit down, shut up, & take it.
Posted by: Steph at December 20, 2009 10:37 PM (ZbvBp)
Does anyone think this will be a "good thing"?
Posted by: curious at December 20, 2009 10:38 PM (p302b)
Well, it's done now. I graduate in March.
Posted by: mpur458 at December 21, 2009 02:36 AM (9wpRe)
Good luck, because based on this piece of shit that will ultimately become law, you'll be overworked and underpaid.
Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at December 20, 2009 10:39 PM (Vu6sl)
Posted by: wherestherum at December 20, 2009 10:39 PM (gofDd)
Posted by: Steph at December 20, 2009 10:39 PM (ZbvBp)
Posted by: mpur at December 21, 2009 02:39 AM (9wpRe)
Blowjobs from Obama for the rest of his life!
Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at December 20, 2009 10:40 PM (Vu6sl)
Posted by: arhooley at December 20, 2009 10:40 PM (GKXA7)
Posted by: Steph at December 20, 2009 10:41 PM (ZbvBp)
It will be awhile before it hits, although we'll start paying for it immediately. There's a good chance that a cushy private practice will make some big bucks. It will be like the UK: the wealthy will pay for private practice. The peasants have to take what the government says they can have.
Posted by: mpur at December 20, 2009 10:41 PM (9wpRe)
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That's the object. The entire country will be completely dependent on the government for our livelihood.
Posted by: arhooley at December 20, 2009 10:41 PM (GKXA7)
Posted by: goomy at December 20, 2009 10:41 PM (p0dFQ)
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Steph, the fun part is that the Republican governor and Ben Nelson are actually right! They claimed that without the exemption, the Senate bill was an unfunded mandate and an undue burden on Nebraskans . . . and on the citizens of the other 49 states, but we'll ignore that for now.
Posted by: arhooley at December 20, 2009 10:43 PM (GKXA7)
Posted by: wherestherum at December 20, 2009 10:43 PM (gofDd)
Posted by: arhooley at December 20, 2009 10:44 PM (GKXA7)
Well, that's their little plan, but it ain't getting by me.
Posted by: arhooley at December 20, 2009 10:45 PM (GKXA7)
What kills me is they brag about these deals they made specifically for their individual states, not caring that their constituents don't want any deals. They just don't want the bill at all.
There is something fundamentally wrong with every one of them.
Posted by: Steph at December 20, 2009 10:46 PM (ZbvBp)
243 So how do they get money out of broke states like MI and CA?
I hear Californians can pay in cookies...so you're safe!
Posted by: garrett at December 20, 2009 10:46 PM (LogZg)
Yeah, I was thinking of the Adamses. Great scene in the novel Johnny Tremain (fiction, of course) where James Otis challenges the Founders.
"— And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor."
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at December 20, 2009 10:47 PM (zmiSr)
Posted by: curious at December 20, 2009 10:47 PM (p302b)
Posted by: Greg at December 20, 2009 10:47 PM (Cta0m)
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Apparently all he needed was to get his pet issue resolved.
But you'd think the bastard would at least insist on having the bill read before it's voted on if he has an ounce of integ -- I won't bother finishing that thought.
Posted by: arhooley at December 20, 2009 10:48 PM (GKXA7)
Posted by: Steph at December 20, 2009 10:48 PM (ZbvBp)
Posted by: Charles Gibson at December 20, 2009 10:48 PM (FD3EH)
I honestly hope TX will not stand for this.
Posted by: newton at December 20, 2009 10:49 PM (q5ZJk)
Posted by: arhooley at December 20, 2009 10:50 PM (GKXA7)
They don't have the incentive to do it. Once the government passes something like this, especially when it means more tax money, it doesn't get undone. It will be subsidized, it will be expanded, but it won't ever go away.
Posted by: mpur at December 20, 2009 10:50 PM (9wpRe)
Posted by: curious at December 20, 2009 10:51 PM (p302b)
Posted by: arhooley at December 20, 2009 10:51 PM (GKXA7)
Posted by: Steph at December 20, 2009 10:52 PM (ZbvBp)
Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at December 20, 2009 10:52 PM (Vu6sl)
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Maybe we need to just defy the shit out of that paradigm. Defy defy defy!
Posted by: arhooley at December 20, 2009 10:52 PM (GKXA7)
Better hurry, one of the first things Texas will do is shut the borders.
Posted by: mpur at December 20, 2009 10:54 PM (9wpRe)
Posted by: wherestherum at December 20, 2009 10:54 PM (gofDd)
Posted by: curious at December 20, 2009 10:54 PM (p302b)
I'm with ya, but how? The lying, slimy bastards will do what they want once in office, not what we want. They've proved that time and time again.
Posted by: mpur at December 20, 2009 10:55 PM (9wpRe)
Posted by: curious at December 20, 2009 10:55 PM (p302b)
Posted by: Shannon at December 20, 2009 10:56 PM (N13Qd)
Posted by: arhooley at December 20, 2009 10:56 PM (GKXA7)
Posted by: Steph at December 20, 2009 10:56 PM (ZbvBp)
Posted by: Greg at December 20, 2009 10:57 PM (Cta0m)
I think they knew they were already screwed and decided to go out in a "blaze of glory".
Posted by: mpur at December 20, 2009 10:57 PM (9wpRe)
Posted by: curious at December 20, 2009 10:59 PM (p302b)
Posted by: Steph at December 20, 2009 10:59 PM (ZbvBp)
Posted by: wherestherum at December 20, 2009 10:59 PM (gofDd)
i dunno about nuking wal-mart. lots of companies self-insure, some other big names are time warner and microsoft. it's possible though, that there may be an increase in self-insuring among companies once they cotton on to that exemption fact. it would not take long to be cheaper than the penalty for not offering insurance even if the first year or two was expensive.
i am actually impressed the self-insuring companies had such a strong lobby.
Posted by: goomy at December 20, 2009 10:59 PM (p0dFQ)
Step 1- Defy, defy, defy!
Step 2- ??
Step 3- Palin elected POTUS!
It's still a work in progress...
Posted by: Alaskan Gnome at December 20, 2009 11:00 PM (FD3EH)
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We scream REPEAL until it happens. We force every candidate for every federal office to state his/her position on Repeal. We make it a central issue of the 2010 elections. We stick on bumper stickers that say REPEAL, carry signs, and get in people's faces.
Posted by: arhooley at December 20, 2009 11:01 PM (GKXA7)
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at December 20, 2009 11:01 PM (zmiSr)
Posted by: curious at December 20, 2009 11:01 PM (p302b)
also i totally hope texas secedes. but it is perhaps too much to hope upon.
Posted by: goomy at December 20, 2009 11:02 PM (p0dFQ)
Posted by: Davey Crockett at December 20, 2009 11:02 PM (BudKQ)
Posted by: Steph at December 20, 2009 11:03 PM (ZbvBp)
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Ironically, Greg, that's precisely what we had. Medicare is for the elderly and the indigent, and ER care is always available for the indigent.
Posted by: arhooley at December 20, 2009 11:03 PM (GKXA7)
Posted by: curious at December 20, 2009 11:04 PM (p302b)
Posted by: Steph at December 20, 2009 11:04 PM (ZbvBp)
Posted by: wherestherum at December 20, 2009 11:04 PM (gofDd)
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Please pass this thought on to your friend: While Steph and I are figuring out what we'll do, people like your friend are the ones who owe use their best effort to end the nightmare they've brought on all of us.
Posted by: arhooley at December 20, 2009 11:05 PM (GKXA7)
Posted by: wherestherum at December 20, 2009 11:05 PM (gofDd)
We've been screaming NO about this since it started. And the screams got louder. Favorability polls plummeted. Yet they passed the piece of shit anyway. Seriously, when was the last time the people got the government to do anything they wanted?
Posted by: mpur at December 20, 2009 11:06 PM (9wpRe)
they are making all kinds of excuses now. the best one is "well at least I voted, look how many people didn't even bother".
Posted by: curious at December 20, 2009 11:06 PM (p302b)
Heh. Got my mug at the Texas Ranger Museum in Waco. (Law enforcement Rangers, not baseball.)
Posted by: mpur at December 20, 2009 11:07 PM (9wpRe)
Posted by: curious at December 20, 2009 11:08 PM (p302b)
Posted by: Steph at December 20, 2009 11:08 PM (ZbvBp)
Posted by: wherestherum at December 20, 2009 11:08 PM (gofDd)
Posted by: Steph at December 20, 2009 11:10 PM (ZbvBp)
Posted by: curious at December 20, 2009 11:11 PM (p302b)
246: "There is something fundamentally wrong with every one of them."
They are living gods, and they know it. What's more, they know that pretty much everyone out there accepts it unquestioningly.
The lesson: it's fun to be an apex predator.
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at December 20, 2009 11:11 PM (8MuSQ)
Can't miss what they don't understand or even realize they have. Look at the liberties lost just in the past 30-40 years. We've got whole generations who have no clue that a police officer used to be barred from shining his flashlight in your car without your permission, more or less setting up sobriety checkpoints and taking blood from you if you're suspected of driving while drunk. The sheep just go along with it.
Posted by: mpur at December 20, 2009 11:11 PM (9wpRe)
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I'm guess it's a combo of 1) the other things they have, like pensions and the best health care program in the country; and 2) abnormal psychology. I'll be a broken record on that one. Forget about rational behavior; they've been working long hours, they've been subjected to extremely heavy arm-twisting, they're plunged into denial over how idiotic they were to support Obama, and they're terrified of the ire of Rahm. They'll trade away decades of their future to avoid ten minutes of close-up abuse by Rahm.
Posted by: arhooley at December 20, 2009 11:13 PM (GKXA7)
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at December 20, 2009 11:13 PM (zmiSr)
Posted by: Steph at December 20, 2009 11:13 PM (ZbvBp)
Posted by: mrkwong at December 20, 2009 11:14 PM (G8Eo0)
Posted by: curious at December 20, 2009 11:15 PM (p302b)
Posted by: wherestherum at December 20, 2009 11:16 PM (gofDd)
I have to see my niece at Christmas, she's the only one in the family who voted for BO (because she didn't like Palin). Because it's Christmastime, I'm gonna do my best not to explain to her how she has condemned her 2 year old daughter to a lifetime of wage-slavery,
I think I will no longer resist the temptation to run cars sporting Obama stickers off the road, though.
Posted by: mpur at December 20, 2009 11:16 PM (9wpRe)
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mpur, remember: Obama wanted them to pass the POS back in July. JOO-LIE. We (or someone) are still holding them out on it. We denied that bastard a few interim victories, and forced the Dems to suffer in summer townhalls. We drove the favorability for Obama, the Dems, and the bill itself into the gutter by prolonging the whole process as long as we have.
Let's behold our might and keep plugging.
Posted by: arhooley at December 20, 2009 11:19 PM (GKXA7)
curious, you're a better person than me. I'm so angry over all this, I'd be afraid I'd smack 'em.
Posted by: Steph at December 20, 2009 11:19 PM (ZbvBp)
Posted by: wherestherum at December 20, 2009 11:19 PM (gofDd)
Posted by: curious at December 20, 2009 11:19 PM (p302b)
He'll say what it takes to get re-elected. Rumor here in Austin is that he's got his eye on a presidential bid in 2012, which is why he is running again even when he said he wouldn't. So, we need to keep an eye on who runs for Lt. Gov.
Posted by: mpur at December 20, 2009 11:20 PM (9wpRe)
Posted by: arhooley at December 20, 2009 11:21 PM (GKXA7)
Posted by: curious at December 20, 2009 11:22 PM (p302b)
Problem is, it's the finger in the dike scenario.
(Hope that comment doesn't derail the thread.)
Posted by: mpur at December 20, 2009 11:23 PM (9wpRe)
I don't know if we can last another year, basically. After this, if not the cap & tax next, it will be amnesty for all.
Gawt, I'm going to suffer an aneurysm.
Posted by: Steph at December 20, 2009 11:23 PM (ZbvBp)
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It would be nice if he'd convey his current state of mind to a few Congresscreatures.
Posted by: arhooley at December 20, 2009 11:24 PM (GKXA7)
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at December 20, 2009 11:25 PM (zmiSr)
Posted by: wherestherum at December 21, 2009 03:08 AM (gofDd)
That isn't fair. I didn't stay home. I voted for my local Republican candidates. But there was no way in hell that I was going to vote for that rino, McCain. That jerk had been aggravating me as far back as I could remember. If you're going to blame anyone, blame the 52%-ers ..., or the leaders of the Republican Party who put McCain up for nomination. Although we're all Republicans, nobody in my extended family voted for McCain, and most of them aren't even into politics. Never mind that McCain ran a terrible campaign.. Even to this day when I see him on C-Span or on the news, I tell him to sit down and to shut up. That batty opportunist doesn't speak for anyone but himself.
Posted by: Greg at December 20, 2009 11:25 PM (Cta0m)
I used to like her, too. But she's been in DC for too long. Plus she voted for the piece of shit bill making 9/11 a day of service or whatever the fuck that was. She lost me there.
She's got a nasty temper. I know people who used to work in her office in Austin. They put tape on the floor. It measured how long the cord on the phone was. You stood on the far side of the tape if you didn't want to be hit by the desk phone when she chunked it at your head when you pissed her off.
Posted by: mpur at December 20, 2009 11:27 PM (9wpRe)
Been out of the loop this weekend visiting relatives out of State. Come back and see how awful things have turned. They are now set up to pass this POS communist nationalization of health care despite the fact that doesn't do anything that they said they needed national health care for and it screws the 85% of the country that already has health care. In reality all this bill does is increase taxes and give health care to a few more indentations who could go down to the E.R. anytime they needed too.
What this bill does is raise taxes and costs and uses the extra money to once again reward the apparatchiks of the Democrat Party while giving the federal government power of the health industry..
On top of that Britney Murphey died. What a sorry day.
Posted by: Vic at December 20, 2009 11:28 PM (QrA9E)
Posted by: Steph at December 20, 2009 11:28 PM (ZbvBp)
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Doesn't have to be. We've kept the bill from passage all this time.
Out of curiosity, what would others here say to taking up that idiot Jane Hamsher on her idea of a left-right alliance to kill this bill? What if we got together and agreed on a no-questions-asked, no recriminations, one-issue effort. Kill the bill. Then we go back to fighting each other the next day, but the bill is dead.
Posted by: arhooley at December 20, 2009 11:29 PM (GKXA7)
Our grandchildren won't have a country thanks to Reid and Pelosi.
We need to setup the (french) national razor in front of the capitol, hustle both Reid and pelosi to the platform (all the while they are shitting their pants, hershey squirts and all... while crying "I didn't mean to destoy our standard of living!! I'm sorry i'm a traitor!!! let me liiiiiiive!!!")
Sorry stretch.
/ sorry that must have been a bad dream. Why would our leaders intentionally destroy our country? Silly
Posted by: The Calm before the storm at December 20, 2009 11:30 PM (IMSJ7)
And I voted for Sarah, too.
Posted by: mpur at December 20, 2009 11:30 PM (9wpRe)
Posted by: wherestherum at December 20, 2009 11:31 PM (gofDd)
Posted by: Steph at December 20, 2009 11:31 PM (ZbvBp)
Posted by: wherestherum at December 20, 2009 11:32 PM (gofDd)
Posted by: mpur at December 20, 2009 11:32 PM (9wpRe)
Posted by: arhooley at December 20, 2009 11:34 PM (GKXA7)
Remember:
Webb, Nelson, Lincoln, Landreiu, we arent gonna let you get away with this yes on cloture no to the bill bullshit.
Posted by: BSR at December 20, 2009 11:34 PM (AJreE)
Posted by: Steph at December 20, 2009 11:35 PM (ZbvBp)
Posted by: BSR at December 20, 2009 11:36 PM (AJreE)
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For a limited time and for a limited purpose. Politics makes strange bedfellows.
Posted by: arhooley at December 20, 2009 11:37 PM (GKXA7)
Posted by: Steph at December 20, 2009 11:37 PM (ZbvBp)
Posted by: Spudskie at December 20, 2009 11:39 PM (pvi/L)
Nobody who is an actual conservative, or even that mythical creature known as a moderate, would vote for this bill.
All 60 Dems voted yes on this vote AND the original cloture vote to get it here. They are all communists.
Posted by: Vic at December 20, 2009 11:39 PM (QrA9E)
We've got to raise exactly $10,000,000+ dollars in the next three days. Call all your Ron Paul worshipping friends, folks.
The plan: Buy off two United States Senators with promises of direct cash payments of $5,000,000 dollars each for votes against this fucking travesty. As a sign of good will (this is where the + comes in), we give them an advance of one night with the best whore(s) money can buy. Not just any street whores, but the kind of whore that would be willing to do the kind of sick, twisted shit that a man can possibly imagine.
If Harry reid can do this I don't see why we can't.
Posted by: Robert at December 20, 2009 11:39 PM (4ixH5)
It didn't work out for the Tx dems.
Posted by: mpur at December 20, 2009 11:39 PM (9wpRe)
Or before it gets that far, we're all screaming DON'T DO IT.
Posted by: arhooley at December 20, 2009 11:40 PM (GKXA7)
So, are you suggesting they fuck themselves?
Posted by: mpur at December 20, 2009 11:41 PM (9wpRe)
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Heh, Robert, it'd be nice to say something just like that in a townhall. "Senator, I've got a nasty whore and five mil for you -- vote No?"
Posted by: arhooley at December 20, 2009 11:42 PM (GKXA7)
Spudskie at December 21, 2009 03:39 AM (pvi/L)
Different animal all together. You can't even compare the two.
Posted by: Steph at December 20, 2009 11:42 PM (ZbvBp)
I believe a quorum is 60 votes.
"So, are you suggesting they fuck themselves?"
Among other things, yes.
Posted by: Robert at December 20, 2009 11:43 PM (4ixH5)
-GOP wins the house
-GOP wins the Senate with 60 seats
-Obama doesnt veto an attempt to cut off the funding
Not gonna happen. Even with a Republican Pres post-2012, it will not happen. The only way to stop it now is for one of the 60 to balk on one of the next cloture votes, or for the house to kill it after conference. Or Robert Byrd dying. Thats it.
Posted by: BSR at December 20, 2009 11:43 PM (AJreE)
Posted by: Steph at December 20, 2009 11:45 PM (ZbvBp)
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at December 20, 2009 11:45 PM (8MuSQ)
Posted by: wherestherum at December 20, 2009 11:45 PM (gofDd)
Posted by: wherestherum at December 20, 2009 11:46 PM (gofDd)
Posted by: Steph at December 21, 2009 03:28 AM (ZbvBp)
Look at the bright side. Things could be worse. We could've gotten Cynthia McKinney.
Hey, maybe she will be our next president, ya think?
Posted by: Greg at December 20, 2009 11:48 PM (Cta0m)
Posted by: BSR at December 20, 2009 11:49 PM (AJreE)
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Could sweeten the pot. Congresscritters love junkets, right? $5,000,000 plus the fanciest whores in a hotel on the French Riviera.
"Senator, how do you feel about 17 year old nympets. From France?"
Posted by: Robert at December 20, 2009 11:49 PM (4ixH5)
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Not so remote a possibility. Remember how slim their vote was? A two-vote cushion? And now all their precious progressive snakeoil is gone from the Senate bill, and they're all up for re-election in 2010, with the plunging popularity of their stupid, handsome president making him more irrelevant by the moment. Surely a few of them are thinking of abandoning him to a primary in 2012 and saving their own necks. They've been in DC for years. He's a fucking newbie pantywaist useless promise-breaking Halfrican sellout. No contest.
Posted by: arhooley at December 20, 2009 11:53 PM (GKXA7)
I could see the mandate being repealed or severely weakened by 2013/14.
Some of the excise taxes on middle class health care ("cadillac") plans are ready made as campaign platform material and could be repealed as soon as 2011.
The subsidies probably couldn't be repealed but could be adjusted.
Posted by: Robert_Paulson at December 20, 2009 11:54 PM (+deq6)
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Heh, I was suggesting the very thing here a few nights ago, except I proposed we'd get there early and not let them in! Obama would have to stand there in an empty chamber and talk to the fucking chairs!
Posted by: arhooley at December 20, 2009 11:54 PM (GKXA7)
Posted by: BSR at December 20, 2009 11:55 PM (AJreE)
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You speaketh like you knoweth some facts, Robert_Paulson. But why not wholesale repeal? Annulment, destruction, ground zero, gone, poof! like it never was?
Posted by: arhooley at December 20, 2009 11:59 PM (GKXA7)
arhooley, I'm a little surprised that there's not someone trying to organize another march on WA. We're in more dire straits, now, than we were in Sept.
Posted by: Steph at December 21, 2009 12:01 AM (ZbvBp)
Posted by: BSR at December 21, 2009 12:01 AM (AJreE)
And speaking of the weird alliance, I'm here to tell you: I'm a pro-choice, pro-gay-marriage agnostic who voted for Sarah Palin and who will bust my ass drafting her and getting her elected in 2012. I will also throw money at Stupak's pro-life efforts to stop the POS. That's the sort of thing that's possible here.
Posted by: arhooley at December 21, 2009 12:02 AM (GKXA7)
Posted by: arhooley at December 21, 2009 03:59 AM (GKXA7)
Now, remember, when you repeal it, it was my idea. You read it here tonight..
But I'm a modest and humble guy. Praise won't be necessary. A listing in history books as the new father of our country will suffice.
Posted by: Greg at December 21, 2009 12:04 AM (Cta0m)
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Maybe people are marched out, I dunno. Protest fatigue. A few of us haven't marched yet, however, and we've got energy now.
Posted by: arhooley at December 21, 2009 12:06 AM (GKXA7)
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at December 21, 2009 12:07 AM (8MuSQ)
Posted by: wherestherum at December 21, 2009 12:07 AM (gofDd)
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Damn, I didn't think a palace coup would be necessary so soon. I'm off to summon my poisonmaster and long-swordsmen.
Posted by: arhooley at December 21, 2009 12:08 AM (GKXA7)
Posted by: Americano at December 21, 2009 12:10 AM (JhZjj)
Posted by: arhooley at December 21, 2009 12:10 AM (GKXA7)
Posted by: arhooley at December 21, 2009 12:12 AM (GKXA7)
Posted by: Steph at December 21, 2009 12:13 AM (ZbvBp)
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at December 21, 2009 04:07 AM (8MuSQ)
LOL. Republicans are on a country club schedule with their protests. If it ain't sunny and warm, there won't be any protest today, folks.
Posted by: Greg at December 21, 2009 12:13 AM (Cta0m)
Posted by: arhooley at December 21, 2009 12:15 AM (GKXA7)
@375: "Geez, why 4/12 and 4/19?"
The 4/19 one is going to be armed - held at an open-carry area.
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at December 21, 2009 12:17 AM (8MuSQ)
Posted by: Robert_Paulson at December 21, 2009 12:19 AM (+deq6)
Posted by: Case at December 21, 2009 12:19 AM (0K+Kw)
@378: "LOL. Republicans are on a country club schedule with their protests. If it ain't sunny and warm, there won't be any protest today, folks."
Might as well wait until the cherry trees are in bloom....
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at December 21, 2009 12:19 AM (8MuSQ)
True, but a woman like that might be the kind to just lay there like a dead fish. Sure, he's got braggin rights, but Kucinich also seems like the type to have weird, kinky fetishes involving hooks.
Posted by: Robert at December 21, 2009 12:26 AM (4ixH5)
/looking for humor in the dark
Posted by: redc1c4 at December 21, 2009 12:27 AM (d1FhN)
Posted by: torabora at December 21, 2009 12:28 AM (QFACg)
These Democrats in Washington today aren't idealogues. They're in it strictly for the money, the perks and the power, and they're narcissistic sick freaks.
I'm reminded of Missouri Congressman, Dick Gephardt. The guy spent his life fighting for what he considered to be the little guy and the underdog, only to find that when he was in the political fight of his life, he lost, because those little guys and underdogs were too lazy to go out to the polls on a rainy day, which, of course, explains why they've spent their lives as little guys and underdogs. I guess Mrs. Gephardt's little boy, Dicky, learned his lesson the hard way.
Posted by: Greg at December 21, 2009 12:30 AM (Cta0m)
Posted by: wherestherum at December 21, 2009 12:31 AM (gofDd)
382 If this shitpile of a bill is so great why did the senator from Nebraska have to be bribed into voting for it?
Posted by: redc1c4 at December 21, 2009 12:36 AM (d1FhN)
It might be possible to repeal it with 51 votes via reconciliation.
Posted by: Jon at December 21, 2009 12:37 AM (Xt7UU)
@392: "It might be possible to repeal it with 51 votes via reconciliation."
And it might also be possible to turn lead to gold via alchemy, but it isn't exactly likely in either case.
Economics are the only thing that might kill it. At some point, even the gummint won't be able to beg, borrow, steal, or print enough to pay for all of this bullshit. I bet they still drive it into the ground, but who knows - they might have a couple of minimally competent individuals who vaguely grasp the concept of self-preservation.
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at December 21, 2009 12:52 AM (8MuSQ)
Just remember, when you pluck down cash to see Avatar and other flicks, you're donating money to the likes of Dingy Harry, Nanny Nancy, and King Barry
Posted by: kbdabear at December 21, 2009 01:23 AM (sYxEE)
I'm reminded of an episode of the original Star Trek when Kirk and Spock were beamed down to a planet that was inhabited by all of the old Roman Gods who had gone there to live after they found that they weren't being worshipped anymore.
Maybe all of this unpleasantness that we're experiencing has been caused by the fact that God has gone to live on another planed or maybe he died, and now only Satan is controlling events on this planet.
It's possible that God might have died. After all, He would be a few million years old by now, and that's a helluva long time to live even by Godly standards. Or maybe He has taken a long overdue, much needed vacation. I hear that Venus is balmy at this time of year. Or matbe He got so fed up with our goofiness that He threw up His hands in exasperation and went to recreate dinosaurs, starting all over again with another planet far, far away in another solar system.
Hey, who could blame Him?
Just a thought to ponder here in the wee, small hours of the morning..
Good night, and, oh yeah, Merry Christmas, dimwits.
Posted by: Greg at December 21, 2009 01:25 AM (Cta0m)
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Posted by: g8trman at December 21, 2009 03:15 AM (vvMB8)
maybe the big O borrowed Chinas weather machine to make it snow and keep them all there to get his votes
Posted by: ginaswo/MiM at December 21, 2009 03:51 AM (4VfgZ)
I just can not believe the absolute crap they are doing here. The F&F panel now wondering what have happened if Snowe had not voted to get it out of committee originally.
The answer Fox folks who are looking, IT WOULD STILL BE IN COMMITTEE!
Why didn't you report that then?
Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2009 04:09 AM (QrA9E)
Posted by: FPC at December 21, 2009 04:14 AM (qZb8X)
"However, we are dealing with people for whom it has been shown that the rule of law means absolutely nothing. Keep in mind that registration fraud is a massive Democrat funded [see ACORN] enterprise, and presumably vote fraud because otherwise why create all those false registrations [150,000 known false registrations accepted by the Democrat Secretary of State in Ohio in 2008 alone]? One has to wonder at what point the legitimacy of the vote count comes into question"
Now we know why the big push to cure each "crisis". With each crisis it's "LOOK!!! There's a new shinny!!" We will never be able to discover who is truly elected and who in by fraud.
Push the cure for each crisis (more government intervention) so as to get a foot in the door and build on it later when they get back into power. (never I hope)
Posted by: harleycowboy at December 21, 2009 04:19 AM (JKGfQ)
They never have given a shit for the public, now they are openly thumbing their noses at us.
Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2009 04:25 AM (QrA9E)
If you're in the US armed forces right now, muster out. You're not fighting for freedom anymore. After Christmas 2009 you'll be defending socialism, not freedom.
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Posted by: bill-tb at December 21, 2009 04:46 AM (y+QfZ)
404 It is truly time to call for a new constitutional convention.
There is a tea party convention in February. Let it start there. ;">
Posted by: fraudulent science at December 21, 2009 05:13 AM (Vc/xe)
Posted by: Jen06 at December 21, 2009 05:14 AM (D05Lq)
Posted by: Joy to the whirled at December 21, 2009 05:14 AM (WVBjj)
I'm reminded of an episode of the original Star Trek when Kirk and Spock were beamed down to a planet that was inhabited by all of the old Roman Gods who had gone there to live after they found that they weren't being worshipped anymore.
Hm. The episode was #31"Who Mourns for Adonais".
Spock did NOT beam down as Apollo, the only "god" on the planet, instructed Kirk and the crewman on the bridge to beam down to the planet but "not that one (Spock). He is much like Pan, and Pan always bored me." Spock stayed on the Enterprise.
Mr Scott beamed down with Kirk and was slapped around by Apollo when Scott attacked him for tapping the babe Scotty was sweet on.
Don't doubt me, Greg. Knowledge of comic books, 80s metal, and Star Trek TOS is my moron claim to fame.
Posted by: drolmorg at December 21, 2009 05:21 AM (aKTln)
— That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
Posted by: les grossman at December 21, 2009 05:39 AM (Vc/xe)
Posted by: curious at December 21, 2009 06:09 AM (p302b)
Posted by: InCali at December 21, 2009 06:18 AM (PFubb)
Are they saying these Honorable Senators hold out for kickbacks, Quid Pro Quo, Payoff, Bribes... this conduct is indefensible.
Speaking of Vermont, Louisiana, Florida, Nebraska... how is it possibly legal for the federal government can show favoritism for one state over another?
Disgusting.
CHRISTMAS eve? They want to make sure to stick their thumb in the eye of every Christian in the US.
Posted by: oldhardhead at December 21, 2009 06:28 AM (HOEF/)
Posted by: Teh Won at December 21, 2009 07:07 AM (8JU+Q)
Posted by: Rumpelstiltskin at December 21, 2009 07:15 AM (gbCNS)
YES I'M POSTING IN ALL CAPS TODAY
FUCK YOU
Posted by: libbyt at December 21, 2009 07:16 AM (5I0Yr)
Constitution? I am not familiar with that term.
Posted by: Charles Gibson at December 21, 2009 07:22 AM (mka2b)
Posted by: evil libertarian at December 21, 2009 07:27 AM (QZ9Kl)
"Does this violate any constitutional amendments?"
It doesn't matter. We are living in the age of the "living constitution", which means that the Constitution says whatever 5 out of 9 Justices want it to say.
There are four Justices that believe that the Constitution is the "Law of the Land", but the rest view their positions as opportunities to force their ideologies down America's throat.
The SCOTUS will not save us. Neither will any Democrat. The last opportunity to stop this monstrosity went down the toilet when a few Republicans voted to let this out of conference.
It's done.
America's healthcare system will be socialized.
Posted by: RayS at December 21, 2009 07:30 AM (YcjCJ)
Posted by: Rumpelstiltskin at December 21, 2009 11:23 AM (gbCNS)
WHOOPS
HAPPY HOLIDAYS
Posted by: libbyt at December 21, 2009 07:41 AM (5I0Yr)
Posted by: Someone turn on the light at December 21, 2009 07:45 AM (+Z5RN)
A few???? Try ONE of the ME sisters. Keep in mind that before they can vote to hold a vote to get it out of committee at least one member of the opposition party must agree.
Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2009 07:57 AM (QrA9E)
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