April 10, 2014

Revealed: Obamacare is Still Very Unpopular, and No Prog "Unskewing" of the Polls Can Change That
— Ace

A much-publicized Washington Post/ABCNews poll claimed that Obamacare had suddenly garnered near-majority support from the country.

But a new USAToday poll finds that Obamacare is as unpopular as it's been for years, so that ABC poll was, as many suspected, simply an outlier, the 1-in-20 they mean when they warn that 1-in-20 times the poll will simply be wrong.

USAToday finds that Obamacare is at 37% approval, 50% disapproval, in line with all other polls. Except for that one ABC one.

And even worse, a majority says that Obamacare will have a major impact on how they vote this November.

Now progs are doing what progs will do, which to attempt to prove how clever they are by demonstrating that facts are not facts at all, but social constructs we invent in our minds to justify racism or something.

You prove your cleverness by saying things which aren't true, but which aren't true in a clever way.

They're claiming that a majority actually supports Obamacare... or, rather, supports either Obamacare or a more leftwing alternative. They're adding that 37% support for Obamacare to another figure that says something like 12% would prefer a "more liberal" law, and coming up with 49% in favor of Obamacare or something even worse.

You will not be surprised that the neutral, objective news organization CNN is pushing this Conspiracy Theory of Numbers.

At Mediaite, Noah Rothman calls this twaddle, citing, as his chief analyst, the rightwing hatchetmen at... Huffington Post and 538.com.

Recently, partnering with the polling firm YouGov, Huffington Post polling analyst Mark Blumenthal attempted to duplicate CNN’s method of divining support for the ACA among those who do not support the ACA. To clarify CNN’s findings, he performed one extra step. “In your own words,” HuffPost asked select respondents, “what do you mean when you say the health care law is not liberal enough?”

“[V]ery few said they opposed the law because they would prefer a ‘single payer’ system (6 percent of those answering) or would prefer either the ‘public option’ or an alternative to ensure “healthcare for all” (4 percent),” Blumenthal revealed.

A much larger portion of the not-liberal-enough group referenced high costs (15 percent), the mandate to purchase health insurance (12 percent), or more general complaints about a lack of choice or too much government control (13 percent).
“I don’t think forcing everyone to buy insurance is liberal at all,” one respondent told Blumenthal.

“Liberal means choice to me at least and it leaves us no choice, we are forced to buy insurance we may neither need or want,” another said.

These are not promising results for the set of ACA supporters who had convinced themselves they were members of a new silent majority.

Remember, there's a Wonk Gap, and there's a situation of Asymmetrical Stupidity, and they're just smarter than you, so shut your stupid mouths and go back to blowin' on your whiskey jugs, you unlettered, unshoed Unpeople.

Click on Rothman's link to read the rest, including 538's analysis of prog claims that a lot of people don't think Obamacare goes "far enough." As well as a roundup of all the usual useless retransmitters of progressive memes writing furiously about this Exciting New Way to Look At Numbers.

Spoiler Alert: They don't seem to mean what progs believe they mean.


Posted by: Ace at 12:08 PM | Comments (316)
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1 foist?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 10, 2014 12:09 PM (HVff2)

2 2nd

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 10, 2014 12:09 PM (q+fqH)

3 I'm sure the progs in question would rather we were blowing something else.

Posted by: Brandon Eich at April 10, 2014 12:09 PM (ZWvOb)

4 If you like your Libtard, you can keep your Libtard.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 10, 2014 12:09 PM (HVff2)

5 the gap is caused by all you stupid, bitter clingy racists!

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 10, 2014 12:10 PM (q+fqH)

6 >> shut your stupid mouths and go back to blowin' on whiskey jugs You always have to bring boobehs into this!

Posted by: Y-not at April 10, 2014 12:10 PM (zDsvJ)

7 Remember, there's a Wonk Gap, and there's a situation of Asymmetrical Stupidity, and they're just smarter than you, so shut your stupid mouths and go back to blowin' on your whiskey jugs, you unlettered, unshoed Unpeople.




HEY!


I have shoes!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/i][/b] at April 10, 2014 12:11 PM (4df7R)

8 >> shut your stupid mouths and go back to blowin' on whiskey jugs

You always have to bring boobehs into this!

Posted by: Y-not at April 10, 2014 04:10 PM (zDsvJ)



Is the sixth comment too early for a thread winner?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/i][/b] at April 10, 2014 12:12 PM (4df7R)

9 13 percent of Republicans said Obamacare didnÂ’t go far enough in changing health care.



This is how I know that poll is bullshit.

Posted by: EC at April 10, 2014 12:12 PM (GQ8sn)

10 Down with UnPeople!

Posted by: wytshus at April 10, 2014 12:13 PM (DErq5)

11 It's a poll News based on a poll Obamacare is not popular, people are unhappy. Meanwhile there's talk in the financials of a bad year for stocks 'cuz nobody is making any money.

Posted by: Smith the Incurious at April 10, 2014 12:13 PM (Vz2xO)

12 >>>>A much-publicized Washington Post/ABCNews poll claimed that Obamacare had suddenly garnered near-majority support from the country. Wasn't that poll a misleading pile of convoluted shit that could be interpreted as either being in favor of Obamacare or getting rid of Obamacare.

Posted by: Buzzion at April 10, 2014 12:13 PM (vYS7Z)

13 Tsunami. November.

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 10, 2014 12:13 PM (O96tM)

14 If you like your Libtard, you can keep your Libtard.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 10, 2014 04:09 PM (HVff2)



But if I DON'T like my libtard, may I throw him away?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/i][/b] at April 10, 2014 12:13 PM (4df7R)

15 Whisky jugs and crack pipes. Don't forget the crack pipes.

Posted by: Anonymous hobo who doesn't want to become jerky at April 10, 2014 12:13 PM (m2Pwl)

16 MSNBC host pretty sure the IRS are the real victims of targeted harassment. Noah Rothman ‏@NoahCRothman Alex Wagner to ProPublica rep: The IRS "were the ones who were actually getting targeted in this whole investigation."

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 10, 2014 12:13 PM (ZPrif)

17 Let. It. Crash. And. Burn. From it's own weight.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 10, 2014 12:13 PM (d0Dmj)

18 I think we learned our lesson from unskewing polls. Will they? I seem to remember them (rightly) making fun of us for doing that anticipating President Romney, but now their parsing these things and twisting them every which way to get what they want and avoid the very very obvious conclusions presented. Party of science.

Posted by: David at April 10, 2014 12:14 PM (UtRhK)

19 >>Whisky jugs and crack pipes Wasn't that the sequel to "Mother, Jugs and Speed?"

Posted by: Y-not at April 10, 2014 12:15 PM (zDsvJ)

20

They should pretend to do a poll, and make up the numbers     that they want to see.

 

More or less what the BLS has been doing for the past five years.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 10, 2014 12:15 PM (T0MgD)

21 prog claims that a lot of people don't think Obamacare goes "far enough."
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Damn straight it doesn't go far enough...we don't have mental insurance coverage for forced institutionalization for that that have voted Republican yet.

Posted by: Some "Independent" at April 10, 2014 12:15 PM (78TbK)

22 WaPo polled Brooks how many times on this?  There is the answer to the slant.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 10, 2014 12:15 PM (b7rtK)

23 Polls are there to tell people how much they can cheat. The fact that the occasional pollster gets too wired on coke or caffeine and lets their ideological winkie out of their pants does not make "normal" polls precisely representative or relevant. Basically, polls tell you what people who are willing to participate in polls think. A lot of people take the Homey D. Clown position on that.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at April 10, 2014 12:15 PM (qyfb5)

24 MSNBC host pretty sure the IRS are the real victims of targeted harassment.
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The left has gone in a few years from a rallying cry of "truth to power" to "truth comes from power"

Posted by: 18-1 at April 10, 2014 12:16 PM (78TbK)

25 You will not be surprised that the neutral, objective news organization CNN is pushing this Conspiracy Theory of Numbers. - The Obamacare approval numbers are in the missing plane and once they find that, boy howdy, Obamacare's popularity will take off.

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 10, 2014 12:16 PM (XUKZU)

26 Now progs are doing what progs will do... +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Ace, I hate to be that pedantic guy, but you misspelled lying, statist, America hating, leftwing cocksuckers.

Posted by: Countrysquire at April 10, 2014 12:17 PM (LSJmV)

27 If you like your Libtard, you can keep your Libtard.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian

I don't like my libtard.

It keeps getting into my crack.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at April 10, 2014 12:17 PM (m58Tu)

28 But if I DON'T like my libtard, may I throw him away?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit at April 10, 2014 04:13 PM (4df7R)

 

Do you have a libtard burning stove?  Be a shame not to get some use out of him.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 10, 2014 12:18 PM (DrWcr)

29 Remember, there's a Wonk Gap,
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Thanks to Obamacare, I can how get all the birth control that I don't actually need.

Posted by: Washingtonitte at April 10, 2014 12:18 PM (78TbK)

30 I think people will really come around on Obamacare when that $2500 in savings kicks in.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at April 10, 2014 12:18 PM (+lsX1)

31 That kitteh in the sidebar looks like a trap.

Posted by: HR at April 10, 2014 12:18 PM (ZKzrr)

32 Sir Humphrey demonstrates how polls are done: http://youtu.be/G0ZZJXw4MTA

Posted by: Lord Percy Percy, Heir to the Duchy of Northumbria at April 10, 2014 12:18 PM (kmlK6)

33 But if I DON'T like my libtard, may I throw him away? Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit at April 10, 2014 04:13 PM (4df7R) Shirley, you jest Beth.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 10, 2014 12:18 PM (HVff2)

34 You will not be surprised that the neutral, objective news organization CNN is pushing this Conspiracy Theory of Numbers.
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Did a black hole swallow up Obamacare numbers?

Posted by: It isn't news...it is CNN at April 10, 2014 12:18 PM (78TbK)

35 I think I just need an animated chart from Vox to explain why my premium and deductibles only *appeared* to double. Also why my new plan going from $30 flat fee to see a specialist to a % of total fee is an improvement in "access". My old plan, the one Obamacare murdered, only charged me $10 more to consult a highly trained specialist vs a generalist family doc. My new plan has huge financial incentives for me to *not* see a specialist and just stick with my family doc's diagnosis.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 10, 2014 12:18 PM (ZPrif)

36 Don't pay attention to the polls! Look at my boobs!!!

Posted by: Ashleigh Banfield at April 10, 2014 12:19 PM (Aif/5)

37

If you like your Libtard, you can keep your Libtard.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian

-----

I don't like my libtard.

It keeps getting into my crack.

Posted by: weft cut-loop

 

-----

 

You     mean your stash of crack, or are you going through     TSA security      often lately?

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 10, 2014 12:19 PM (T0MgD)

38 Did a black hole swallow up Obamacare numbers?

Posted by: It isn't news...it is CNN at April 10, 2014 04:18 PM (78TbK)

 

They flew around aimlessly for eight hours, then ran out of fuel and crashed.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 10, 2014 12:19 PM (DrWcr)

39 Now progs are doing what progs will do, which to attempt to prove how clever they are by demonstrating that facts are not facts at all, but social constructs we invent in our minds to justify racism or something. They're claiming that a majority actually supports Obamacare... or, rather, supports either Obamacare or a more leftwing alternative. They're adding that 37% support for Obamacare to another figure that says something like 12% would prefer a "more liberal" law, and coming up with 49% in favor of Obamacare or something even worse. You will not be surprised that the neutral, objective news organization CNN is pushing this Conspiracy Theory of Numbers. ---- Excuuuuse me..... stewardess.... I speak progg-enese. Here let me help. "They're pissed. They're gonna buttfuck us back in Novemeber. But we cant admit that."

Posted by: fixerupper at April 10, 2014 12:19 PM (nELVU)

40 My new plan has huge financial incentives for me to *not* see a specialist and just stick with my family doc's diagnosis.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 10, 2014 04:18 PM (ZPrif)

 

Bending the cost curve...in your ass.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 10, 2014 12:20 PM (DrWcr)

41 I mentioned this yesterday, but I think it applies here. Some woman in Florida died. Apparently she made too little for the subsidy, yet too much for medicaid. Had Florida expanded medicaid, she presumably could have gotten coverage. Obviously, the liberals are blaming Republicans for not expanding medicaid, and not Obama and Co for writing the law with the gigantic coverage gap to begin with. It's percolating at Daily Kos/Huffpo/Some website called The Wire, but I'm sure it will be the next point of attack. You know, because Republicans are to blame for a law written by democrats, and passed by demorcrats, including this gap provision designed only to cheat the CBO scoring to make a cheap campaign applause line.

Posted by: Lauren at April 10, 2014 12:20 PM (hFL/3)

42 The left has gone in a few years from a rallying cry of "truth to power" to "truth comes from power" Posted by: 18-1 at April 10, 2014 04:16 PM (78TbK) fnord (78TbK) They always say the former when they feel out of power and the latter when they feel they're in power. Reagan/Bush V Clinton years, Bush II vs Obama years And pretty much all the way back to Rousseau.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at April 10, 2014 12:20 PM (qyfb5)

43 I think I just need an animated chart from Vox to explain why my premium and deductibles only *appeared* to double.
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Hey, if Obama inflates the currency to raise prices on everything else by 100%, does it count if Obamacare doubles your insurance premiums?

Posted by: 18-1 at April 10, 2014 12:20 PM (78TbK)

44 Voters know they have to be hush about their voting decisions in 2014 and 2016. Or else they will be pummeled. This douche (see video) from Chicago says they are dealing with a very serious fiscal matter in the state, and it has to be addressed. So, he's supporting the Republican. Chicago Dems throw support behind GOP candidate Apr. 08, 2014 - 3:13 - Obama supporter who led outreach campaign among Latinos explains why he - and others - have decided to endorse the Republican candidate for governor You go insane watching him. LOL He likes Scott Walker. Daniels in Indiana. He doesn't even know what he's saying. Not comprehending it. But, he would still vote for Obama, again. I wish Greta had asked why? Why would you vote for him again? http://tinyurl.com/pzx3ra9

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: The Green Jacket at April 10, 2014 12:20 PM (IXrOn)

45 Not to mention that in October, a whole lotta people will be signing up for their 2015 benefits at work. Given what we've been hearing about anticipated pricing for next year, all of those people are going to be in a very nasty mood come the 1st of November. They can delay the employer mandate all they want to, but those prices are going to be very, very high, and there isn't a darn thing anyone in the party of Obamacare can do about it. Tsunami, hell. This Fall's election is likely to be a flood of Biblical proportions.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX (@Teresa_Koch) at April 10, 2014 12:21 PM (PZ6/M)

46 In other words, Obamacare smells like a vegan's behind.

Posted by: Beans at April 10, 2014 12:21 PM (pRe5G)

47 Can anyone link for me the Hitler parody video where he is told he lost his doctor due to obamacare? It was at americanthinker.com a day or two ago.

Posted by: Jonah at April 10, 2014 12:22 PM (qHO9R)

48

Obama's approval ratings

ACA popularity

Jobs saved or created

Global warming stats

No new taxes

Wage gap

Racism

USAs world popularity

 

The lying liars lie.

Posted by: Cheri at April 10, 2014 12:22 PM (G+Wff)

49 I can't wait for people with Ocare to start using it ... primal screams heard across the land ...

Posted by: Janetoo at April 10, 2014 12:22 PM (FUW1H)

50 You know, because Republicans are to blame for a law written by democrats, and passed by demorcrats, including this gap provision designed only to cheat the CBO scoring to make a cheap campaign applause line.
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The left sincerely hods that beliefs can control reality.

So, by not supporting Obamacare we are making it fail. If we just ALL thought good thoughts it would work.

In fact, the left holds this for most of their policies that fail.

It is terrifying that we have to share a planet with these people.

Posted by: 18-1 at April 10, 2014 12:22 PM (78TbK)

51 Tsunami, hell. This Fall's election is likely to be a flood of Biblical proportions. NOAH!

Posted by: rickb223 at April 10, 2014 12:23 PM (d0Dmj)

52
I was surprised that my eye doctor took my Covered California card.
Then after a billing question (in my favor) I was informed that the office no loner excepts Covered California. I was the last one.

Posted by: YIKES! at April 10, 2014 12:23 PM (mETGQ)

53 This Fall's election is likely to be a flood of Biblical proportions.
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...and then we can work on Amnesty and fixing Obamacare.

Posted by: John Boehner at April 10, 2014 12:24 PM (78TbK)

54 My new plan has huge financial incentives for me to *not* see a specialist and just stick with my family doc's diagnosis.

Which is stupid because you can't be tax-farmed to provide free shit for everyone else if you're dead.

But they'd rather kill you for "fairness."

Posted by: HR at April 10, 2014 12:24 PM (ZKzrr)

55 This Fall's election is likely to be a flood of Biblical proportions.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX

 

 

This is why they are going all out on the R's are racist, women hating, vote suppression hillbillies.  It is all they have.

Posted by: Cheri at April 10, 2014 12:24 PM (G+Wff)

56 Maybe I got especially screwed on the specialist care thing, but if that's the norm then anybody with a condition that requires specialist care is gonna be super pissed. Seeing a specialist now costs way more out of pocket for me.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 10, 2014 12:25 PM (ZPrif)

57 I saw Wonk Gap open for Freddie Mercury and Queen in 1981.

Posted by: dantesed at April 10, 2014 12:25 PM (88xKn)

58 Search: "Hitler loses doctor American Thinker" Link vvvv

Posted by: Beagle at April 10, 2014 12:25 PM (sOtz/)

59 This Fall's election is likely to be a flood of Biblical proportions. Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX (@Teresa_Koch) at April 10, 2014 04:21 PM (PZ6/M) At least one election too late.... Dumbasses.

Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at April 10, 2014 12:25 PM (bCEmE)

60 ObamaCare? Unpopular? Still? You could knock me over with a feather.

Posted by: jwpaine @PirateBallerina at April 10, 2014 12:25 PM (2oU2+)

61 I love the ABC/WaPo poll. I love all things, particularly if they are deep fried in lard.

Posted by: Jebby Bush at April 10, 2014 12:26 PM (LSJmV)

62 Lois Lerner held in contempt.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 10, 2014 12:26 PM (bitz6)

63 47 Can anyone link for me the Hitler parody video where he is told he lost his doctor due to obamacare? It was at americanthinker.com a day or two ago.

Posted by: Jonah at April 10, 2014 04:22 PM (qHO9R)

Is this it?

http://tinyurl.com/qzsr3ka

Posted by: Insomniac at April 10, 2014 12:26 PM (DrWcr)

64 Which is stupid because you can't be tax-farmed to provide free shit for everyone else if you're dead.
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The productive class generally uses less healthcare in their working years. When you have a real job and kids you don't have time to go to the doctor because you are bored...

As for the unproductive class, well, Obamacare is just the latest way for the left to "cleanse" the parts of that demographic they don't like.

Remember, sometimes you should just take the pain pills...

Posted by: 18-1 at April 10, 2014 12:26 PM (78TbK)

65 The left sincerely hods that beliefs can control reality. So, by not supporting Obamacare we are making it fail. If we just ALL thought good thoughts it would work. Posted by: 18-1 at April 10, 2014 04:22 PM (78TbK) fnord (78TbK) We go over this occasionally. The far left (and by extension the left in general) believe that Their Policies will eventually usher in Heaven on Earth. It is a form of religious belief. Now, part of the condition for this is We All Have To Work Together. If some people won't do that, they are literally Keeping Us Out Of Heaven. Which begins to explain the periodic madness of the left when they have near-total power over something, and yet they are clearly not in Heaven, so they start purging and slaughtering dissenters. I mean, let's say for a second another person could choose whether you went to Heaven or not, and they refused to cooperate. That's a pretty big deal, right? Thus Kulaks and Ukranians and the middle class in Cuba and intellectuals in China and Cambodia and so on and so on and so on...

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at April 10, 2014 12:27 PM (qyfb5)

66 Oh, I bought the "gold" plan. The best plan they offered still had much shittier specialist care than my old plan that Obamacare killed.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 10, 2014 12:27 PM (ZPrif)

67 This is why they are going all out on the R's are racist, women hating, vote suppression hillbillies. It is all they have. No, silly. We have the Koch Brothers too. Koch. Koch. Koch. Koch. Koch. Koch. Koch. Koch. Koch. Koch. Koch. Koch. Koch. Koch. Koch. Koch. Koch. Koch. Koch. Koch. Koch. Koch. Koch. Koch. Koch. Koch. Koch. Koch. Koch. Koch. Koch. Koch. Koch. Koch. Koch. Koch. Koch. Koch. Koch. Koch. Koch. Koch. Koch. Koch. Koch. Koch. Koch. Koch. Koch. Koch. Koch. Koch. Koch. Koch. Koch. Koch. Koch. Koch. Koch. Koch. Koch. Koch. Koch. Koch.

Posted by: Hairy Reed at April 10, 2014 12:27 PM (8ZskC)

68 Lois Lerner held in contempt.
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...oh, that'll teach her racists...

Posted by: Eric Holder at April 10, 2014 12:27 PM (78TbK)

69 Obviously, the liberals are blaming Republicans for not expanding Medicaid. - We snuck the camel's nose under the tent. It's not our fault that the Rethugs didn't give dinner.

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 10, 2014 12:27 PM (XUKZU)

70 Posted by: artisanal 'ette: The Green Jacket at April 10, 2014 04:20 PM (IXrOn) Just one more data point to justify my thoughts that Obama was driven by star power/cult status and not that we're suddenly in a leftward careen towards socialism. I really do think that Obama winning in 2012 is well into the process of convincing most leftists that they will be good forever, but when Obama is not on the ticket and the black vote shrinks a bit along with the latino vote and fewer whites vote for him to feel like their not being racist....we're talking about a completely different ball game.

Posted by: David at April 10, 2014 12:27 PM (UtRhK)

71 IT'S HERE TO STAY NAZI FUCKING WINGNUTZ!!11!!!1

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at April 10, 2014 12:27 PM (oFCZn)

72 My State doesn't even have Platinum plans.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 10, 2014 12:28 PM (bitz6)

73 Jonah https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hxwot4sGTrM can't keep his doctor

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: The Green Jacket at April 10, 2014 12:28 PM (IXrOn)

74 People seem to be aware of Obamacare's higher premiums and deductibles now. The higher cost to see a specialist doesn't seem to be something people are aware of.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 10, 2014 12:29 PM (ZPrif)

75 I think polls, as they're done now, will become ancient history,  perhaps even  before this next election.  Certainly before 2016.  With the social media and the rest of the internet and how it's now being monitered, I imagine other means of testing the opinion of the populace has already been devised.

Posted by: Soona at April 10, 2014 12:29 PM (KASOK)

76 Along the same vein as obamacare and the decline and fall of America, I see from the sidebar that George Fwill has joined the Article V discussion. I can just hear Mark Levin, "Welcome to the party, back bencher. Now get off my phone ya big dope!"

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 10, 2014 12:29 PM (BZAd3)

77 Thus Kulaks and Ukranians and the middle class in Cuba and intellectuals in China and Cambodia and so on and so on and so on...
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Indeed...and this is the most disturbing part of the Left's millenialism. Heaven is so close...you just need to deal with a few eggs to get there....and if breaking the first set of eggs doesn't do the trick, surely the next batch will give you that perfect omelet...

Posted by: 18-1 at April 10, 2014 12:29 PM (78TbK)

78

Fuck Zero and his care, along with the socialists idiots in both parties.

Posted by: maddogg at April 10, 2014 12:29 PM (xWW96)

79 13 percent of Republicans said Obamacare didnÂ’t go far enough in changing health care. true. Like, in deregulating it and decoupling subsidizes. Sort of, how I didn't go far enough in my last marathon, mostly because I didn't start it.

Posted by: BuddyPC at April 10, 2014 12:30 PM (jfUIE)

80 Teresa @45: I think it's a function of the extent to which the OCare and individual pool creates an influence on what I'll call "the rest of the risk pool". We already know that even if you had the 7.5m sign ups paid in full that the early demographic numbers were ugly concerning the number of young healthy people in the OCare pool, and that this would negatively influence prices in both this pool and the individual market. What isn't clear is the extent this will pressure higher rates on larger pool customers (those with coverage but exempt). If there is pressure, you're spot on.

Posted by: Kevin in ABQ at April 10, 2014 12:30 PM (nWEus)

81 Costanza Defense, Good luck finding a specialist. Several plans on the Obamacare exchange around here offered one, count him one, rheumatologist. One. And he was 70 years old. It's a good thing that rheumatology is such an obscure specialty and the patients don't need regular visits, right?

Posted by: Lauren at April 10, 2014 12:30 PM (hFL/3)

82 Mit dem Angriff Steiners wird das alles in Ordnung kommen


Posted by: Abdullah Abdullah ( recruiting for the 'militia' again ) at April 10, 2014 12:32 PM (JyjXt)

83
Oh, I bought the "gold" plan. The best plan they offered still had much shittier specialist care than my old plan that Obamacare killed.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 10, 2014 04:27 PM (ZPrif)


You should see the look I get when I inform people that Obamacare doesn't include dental (for adults) or eye.

Posted by: YIKES! at April 10, 2014 12:32 PM (mETGQ)

84 Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 10, 2014 04:18 PM (ZPrif) The wife and I swapped to a plan that subjects our non-wellness doc visits to the deductible to save money. This is the ever vaunted "FEHB" which is some of the shittiest healthcare I've seen in terms of cost/benefit (despite what the libs say.) I'm assuming that's because out here in the relatively low cost Midwest, we're subsidizing all the people in District one.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 10, 2014 12:33 PM (HDwDg)

85 I have shoes! Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit at April 10, 2014 04:11 PM (4df7R) Look at me! I got shoes! I could go to school! I could be somebody!* *something a navy buddy of mine would often say, in a thick southern Mississippi accent.

Posted by: jwpaine @PirateBallerina at April 10, 2014 12:33 PM (2oU2+)

86 I imagine other means of testing the opinion of the populace has already been devised. Posted by: Soona at April 10, 2014 04:29 PM (KASOK) Indeed.

Posted by: Electrode at April 10, 2014 12:33 PM (sOtz/)

87 Posted by: Lauren at April 10, 2014 04:30 PM (hFL/3) Narrower networks you say? By golly, if only someone had sad that, here even maybe.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 10, 2014 12:34 PM (HDwDg)

88 What a relief to find out I'm only racist, for a second there I thought I was just stupid.

Posted by: AE at April 10, 2014 12:34 PM (sSKe8)

89 I know that I'm repeating myself, but just wait 'til the women lose the OB/GYN with whom they're comfortable. Shit will be oh so real.

Posted by: Countrysquire at April 10, 2014 12:34 PM (LSJmV)

90 To use the Left's own terms, I now have "reduced access" to specialist care in that it is now 1) more expensive and 2) has a smaller network of providers. I buy insurance in case something bad happens. If my problem doesn't require seeing a specialist then odds are it isn't that big of a problem.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 10, 2014 12:35 PM (ZPrif)

91 First they came for the rheumatologists.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 10, 2014 12:35 PM (bitz6)

92

Just wait until the "economic justice" arguments go full tilt, I am just sure that will make the elderly who lost medicare benefits want to vote dem.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 10, 2014 12:35 PM (hUf/y)

93 "but just wait 'til the women lose the OB/GYN with whom they're comfortable. Shit will be oh so real." Dr. RapefaceMcColdhands will see you now.

Posted by: Lauren at April 10, 2014 12:35 PM (hFL/3)

94 What this thread needs is an Act of Love on those whisky jugs

Posted by: Jeb Bush at April 10, 2014 12:35 PM (RhQvZ)

95 our new piece of shit plan that costs almost twice as much as our plan that was cancelled last july.....denied testing that my husbands cardiologist of 6 yrs recommended....because, after reviewing his records...they, the insurance company didn't feel it was necessary.....the medication he is currently on is a name brand....our pharmacy prepared us that they would be able to fill it with the name brand drug until united caught up with them & would DEMAND that they issue a generic.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at April 10, 2014 12:36 PM (u8GsB)

96 “Liberal means choice to me at least and it leaves us no choice, we are forced to buy insurance we may neither need or want,” another said. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! Stop it, you're killing me!!

Posted by: Daybrother at April 10, 2014 12:36 PM (Y325w)

97 Dr. RapefaceMcColdhands will see you now. Posted by: Lauren ++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Yep, or Dr. WipesHisAssWithABareLeftHand, MD.

Posted by: Countrysquire at April 10, 2014 12:37 PM (LSJmV)

98 Dr. RapefaceMcColdhands will see you now.

Posted by: Lauren at April 10, 2014 04:35 PM (hFL/3)

 

Has a nose like Cyrano DeBergerac, does he?

Posted by: Insomniac at April 10, 2014 12:37 PM (DrWcr)

99  I know that I'm repeating myself, but just wait 'til the women lose the OB/GYN with whom they're comfortable. Shit will be oh so real.

Posted by: Countrysquire at April 10, 2014 04:34 PM (LSJmV)

 

 

---------------------------------------------

 

 

Imagine Pee Wee Herman with a speculum, ladies.

Posted by: Soona at April 10, 2014 12:37 PM (KASOK)

100 And with that, Daybrother's maniacal laughter landed him in the barrel.

Posted by: Lauren at April 10, 2014 12:37 PM (hFL/3)

101 Posted by: Daybrother at April 10, 2014 04:36 PM (Y325w) FEEED MEEEEE!!!!!

Posted by: The Barrel at April 10, 2014 12:37 PM (8ZskC)

102 Boom goes the thread!

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at April 10, 2014 12:37 PM (oFCZn)

103 take a breath when laughing, dude

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 10, 2014 12:38 PM (ZPrif)

104

"Is this full communism?

 

Oh no comrade, it's gonig to get a hell of a lot worse..."

 

 

Ronnie Reagan you squish RINO motherfuckers!!!

Posted by: prescient11 at April 10, 2014 12:38 PM (tVTLU)

105 When my preexisting condition which costs me nothing in actual out-of-pocket cash becomes covered under the UCA my insurance becomes unaffordable. I can't believe my case is in any way unusual.

Posted by: Beagle at April 10, 2014 12:38 PM (sOtz/)

106 Remember, there's a Wonk Gap, and there's a situation of Asymmetrical Stupidity, and they're just smarter than you, so shut your stupid mouths and go back to blowin' on your whiskey jugs, you unlettered, unshoed Unpeople. It's just because our brains our too dim for their Incandescent Truth. Or they are full of smug and need a good stomping. One of those.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 10, 2014 12:38 PM (mf5HN)

107 our pharmacy prepared us that they would be able to fill it with the name brand drug until united caught up with them & would DEMAND that they issue a generic..... Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at April 10, 2014 04:36 PM (u8GsB) fnord (u8GsB) Yeah I've just rejected two more shitty substitutes, three to go in the test period. If I last that long.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at April 10, 2014 12:38 PM (qyfb5)

108 Get in mah bellah!

Posted by: barrel [/i] [/b] at April 10, 2014 12:38 PM (m58Tu)

109 I'm going to stretch my legs out down here. Finally, a comfortable blog.

Posted by: Beagle at April 10, 2014 12:38 PM (sOtz/)

110

*lights cigarette*

I love getting blown!

Posted by: The Margins at April 10, 2014 12:38 PM (DrWcr)

111 At least the barrel has that wide opening now for easy ingress...

Posted by: Countrysquire at April 10, 2014 12:39 PM (LSJmV)

112 My margins usually don't get blown on my iPad. That was bad.

Posted by: Adam at April 10, 2014 12:39 PM (Aif/5)

113 Somewhere way back I wrote a long essay examining the bizarre fallacy that intentionally skewing polls intended to sway public opinion simply doesn't work as the libs imagine it does. Here's a very small sampling from it: "Implicit in the Left's continuous attempts to exaggerate Obama's perceived support is the belief that "a crowd draws a crowd" and that undecided voters will be drawn to the Obama camp if they think "everyone else" is supporting him. But is that an accurate assessment? Is there any evidence that it's true? Well, actually, yes. There is evidence. Or should I use scare quotes: "evidence." I believe that a series of experiments carried out in the 1950s by social psychologist Solomon Asch were in fact the (now long-forgotten) inspiration for and justification for the current strategy, especially the strategy of online opinion-poll-stuffing after debates and other major news events. Starting in 1951, Asch, a professor at Swarthmore College, ran a series of unusual experiments to generate a quantitative measurement of the subjective term "conformity." The experiments, which many now consider somewhat unethical and a bit sadistic, went like this: A volunteer was recruited to participate in a vision test. He was brought to a room with seven other volunteers who were also to take the same test, in a group. Little did the volunteer know, however, that his fellow "volunteers" were all confederates of the experimenter, and the test was not a vision test but a psychological torture session designed to elicit conformist behavior. The experimenter would then unveil a pair of displays, one showing a single black line, and the other showing three black lines of varying lengths. The volunteer is told to simply state which of the three lines most closely matches the length of the single line. Sounds simple, right? In every instance, the correct answer was quite self-evident, as only one of the lines was even close to the correct length. The volunteer, who was always placed in the second-to-last position, was only allowed to state his answer after he had heard most of the other faux-volunteers give their answers. For the first two rounds, these confederates were instructed to give the obviously correct answer; in each instance, the test subject would then also give the correct answer. But starting on the third round, the confederates, as instructed by Asch, intentionally gave a consistently wrong answer; the goal of the experiment was to see if the volunteer would "break" and also begin to chime in with the wrong answer as well. Most volunteers would resist for a few rounds, but eventually the majority would cave in at least part of the time and give the wrong answers in complete defiance of their own perceptions. Overall, the test subjects gave the wrong answers 36.8% of the time -- an astonishing result. What would you do if you had the ability to conduct this "experiment" on a vast scale? And if the results of the experiment were not just of academic interest, but affected the real world? What would you do if you had a monopoly on the media, and could affect each individual's perception of how the general public felt? You could take the Asch experiment nationwide. You could deceive every single individual voter into thinking he was all alone in his opinions. And consequently, due to social pressures to conform, they'd change their allegiances. You could use it to win elections. That's the position in which the Left -- the Obama campaign, its supporters, and the liberal media -- imagine themselves to be. They're trying to use the principle of behaviorial conformity as a weapon in the campaign. But there is a terrible flaw in their plan. The Asch experiment doesn't work unless the test subject is unaware that he is being duped. And I'm telling the subject right now: you're being duped. " ...etc.

Posted by: zombie at April 10, 2014 12:39 PM (mizYg)

114 Our random sampling of phone calls and emails show very strong support for the ACA among those who are not Tea Party terrorists.

Posted by: NSA at April 10, 2014 12:39 PM (IL+rC)

115 the Lena Dunham thread


Posted by: Abdullah Abdullah ( recruiting for the 'militia' again ) at April 10, 2014 12:39 PM (JyjXt)

116 It's just because our brains our too dim for their Incandescent Truth.

And they outlawed incandescence to Save Teh Planet.

Posted by: HR at April 10, 2014 12:40 PM (ZKzrr)

117 Or they are full of smug and need a good stomping. One of those. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 10, 2014 04:38 PM (mf5HN) fnord (mf5HN) Hmm. Let me think about thi.... OKAY!

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at April 10, 2014 12:40 PM (qyfb5)

118 The Horde gets shirts. And lebensraum.

Posted by: Paul Anka at April 10, 2014 12:40 PM (8ZskC)

119 Market is having fun today...

Posted by: Max Power at April 10, 2014 12:40 PM (q177U)

120

Know whut? It's about fucking time this happened.

http://tinyurl.com/ln8r9kg

Posted by: maddogg at April 10, 2014 12:40 PM (xWW96)

121 Skewing of the polls---or the screwing the proles are getting from Obamacare--all same old same old.

Posted by: Comanche Voter at April 10, 2014 12:41 PM (wdHk6)

122 Dr. RapefaceMcColdhands will see you now. Posted by: Lauren at April 10, 2014 04:35 PM (hFL/3) Has a nose like Cyrano DeBergerac, does he? The doc from the ambulance in Cannonball Run.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 10, 2014 12:41 PM (d0Dmj)

123 Who's laughing now motherfucker????

Posted by: THE BARREL at April 10, 2014 12:41 PM (nELVU)

124 I have shoes! Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit at April 10, 2014 04:11 PM (4df7R) Did someone mention shoes? http://bit.ly/1jwSndQ

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 10, 2014 12:41 PM (mf5HN)

125 Re 82 Some Kraut Steiner is going to bring order to Obamacare by attacking it? Better than anything else tried so far.

Posted by: cryptocon at April 10, 2014 12:41 PM (6qMMx)

126 Zombie, Bernard Nathanson, co-founder of NARAL admitted that NARAL pushed fake polls into the media showing a support for legalized abortion where none existed. It a)worked to turn public opinion and b)influenced the SC into their Roe decision. Hence why I say "All polls are push polls."

Posted by: Lauren at April 10, 2014 12:42 PM (hFL/3)

127 @113 zombie The AP poll used to measure support for OIF in the 2004-2005 time period was loaded with qualifiers which were never mentioned in the actual articles. Though the war grew to be unpopular, the polls were way ahead. IIRC, I blogged on that years ago.

Posted by: Beagle at April 10, 2014 12:42 PM (sOtz/)

128
...etc.

Posted by: zombie at April 10, 2014 04:39 PM (mizYg)



I find that testing methodology to be OUTRAGEOUS!!  Unheard of!!

Posted by: Stanley Milgram at April 10, 2014 12:42 PM (JyjXt)

129 There is some kind of financial apocalypse coming apparently. Mr. Maths will not be denied.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 10, 2014 12:43 PM (d0Dmj)

130 >so shut your stupid mouths and go back to blowin' on your whiskey jugs, you unlettered, unshoed Unpeople.<



What about cousin humpin'?  Can we go back to that too?  'Cuz that there is a goooood time.

Posted by: Muad'dib at April 10, 2014 12:43 PM (sjdRT)

131 Polls are a racket.

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 10, 2014 12:43 PM (O96tM)

132 @131 - Only if you can claim them as a dependent.

Posted by: JEM at April 10, 2014 12:44 PM (o+SC1)

133 Trying to read this post-barrel script on my phone makes me think of Jethro and his ant farm. I'm a gonna go blind!

Posted by: Wtf at April 10, 2014 12:44 PM (pRe5G)

134 Geez, what happened with the wideness?

Posted by: backhoe at April 10, 2014 12:44 PM (ULH4o)

135 "The best lies hold a kernel of truth in them. Polls are the best lies for this very reason." -- Shih Tzu Also: Soothsayerism #6

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 10, 2014 12:45 PM (O96tM)

136 I like the wideness. Reminds me of Mooche's ass.

Posted by: maddogg at April 10, 2014 12:46 PM (xWW96)

137 Oh looky here some IGNORANT PECKERHEAD has blown out the margins. Asshole!!!

Posted by: NativeNH at April 10, 2014 12:46 PM (GBafw)

138 Whose the meatball what blew the margin?

Posted by: Fritz at April 10, 2014 12:46 PM (oJUxt)

139 Get up, c'mon get down with the wideness!

Posted by: Disturbed at April 10, 2014 12:46 PM (DrWcr)

140 @120 - All you have to do is take one scalp. Then the rest will run scared.

Posted by: JEM at April 10, 2014 12:47 PM (o+SC1)

141 It ain't wide here.

Posted by: JEM at April 10, 2014 12:47 PM (o+SC1)

142 OK. Sorry. I'm going in but nothing better touch me in there.

Posted by: Daybrother at April 10, 2014 12:48 PM (3wsVT)

143 The Asch experiment doesn't work unless the test subject is unaware that he is being duped. And I'm telling the subject right now: you're being duped. " ...etc. Posted by: zombie at April 10, 2014 04:39 PM (mizYg) True. But, how many people think they are being duped? Or, is it just Koch, Palin, Republican, Big Pharma/Doctors {add your favorite here} fault? Wasn't obama fighting for them? Wasn't everything he tried for them blocked by republicans? I hope you're right in this instance, because pocketbooks being drained do not lie. Not being able to see your doctor is not a lie. And, not being able to get your cancer meds is no lie...

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: The Green Jacket at April 10, 2014 12:48 PM (IXrOn)

144 Alternate post title: Republicans Still Oblivious To What's Going On Around Them

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 10, 2014 12:48 PM (O96tM)

145 OK. Sorry. I'm going in but nothing better touch me in there. Posted by: Daybrother at April 10, 2014 04:48 PM (3wsVT) I *think* Niagra Falls finally melted, else it will be a bumpy ride down.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: The Green Jacket at April 10, 2014 12:49 PM (IXrOn)

146

"Now progs are doing what progs will do, which to attempt to prove how clever they are by demonstrating that facts are not facts at all, but social constructs we invent in our minds to justify racism or something."

 

Wishful thinking is a pretty old concept; so is deluding oneself.  Every one of us is susceptible to this, especially when we want something so bad.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Days of Rage Sale at the Outrage Outlet! at April 10, 2014 12:49 PM (hLRSq)

147

God help anyone that needs to see a proctologist. 

You'll be at Wally's Bait Shop~Tire Center~and Poop Shoot Arcade

Posted by: Cheri at April 10, 2014 12:49 PM (G+Wff)

148 The productive class generally uses less healthcare in their working years. When you have a real job and kids you don't have time to go to the doctor because you are bored...

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.  When Productive Member Of Society Constanza there needs a specialist, it's going to be because something is actually wrong.  But they'd rather knock him out of producing and into disability or death than let him get fixed up and keep working to provide their preferred classes with free shit.

Totally illogical.  All hate, no math.

Posted by: HR at April 10, 2014 12:50 PM (ZKzrr)

149 Logic is a social construct.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 10, 2014 12:50 PM (bitz6)

150 Daybrother, do not, under any circumstances, touch the nudie mags in there.

Posted by: Adam at April 10, 2014 12:50 PM (Aif/5)

151

Daybrother, you will need some company in there.

http://tinyurl.com/34so4bo

Posted by: maddogg at April 10, 2014 12:50 PM (xWW96)

152 Thanks to Ace or the COB that enbiggened the text again.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at April 10, 2014 12:51 PM (ojnk6)

153 Pixy is right...Long strings of text ARE annoying.

Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at April 10, 2014 12:51 PM (bCEmE)

154 That is an interesting point. Us republicans are a bunch of white stereotypes of the basest caricatures of what I assume are scotts irish backwoodsman. You know what? that's raycis. The GOP doesn't pat itself on the back by suggesting that the left is a combo of the Wire and those people I see hanging outside of Home Depot at 6am with a thin veneer of Lena Dunham.

Posted by: joeindc44 at April 10, 2014 12:51 PM (+JbYP)

155

Posted by: zombie at April 10, 2014 04:39 PM (mizYg)-

 

interesting thanks for that. would seem to add to your idea that protests would come from the administrations left (and the administrations use of social media).

 

copied your comment for future reference.

Posted by: rich@gmu at April 10, 2014 12:52 PM (RhQvZ)

156 OK. Sorry. I'm going in but nothing better touch me in there.

Posted by: Daybrother at April 10, 2014 04:48 PM (3wsVT)


---


Oh trust me ... there will be plenty of touching "in there".

Posted by: THE BARREL at April 10, 2014 12:52 PM (nELVU)

157 "And even worse, a majority says that Obamacare will have a major impact on how they vote this November." Shouln't that read even better? This is good news for the right side. Messiahcare, the gift that keeps on giving.

Posted by: Angel with a sword at April 10, 2014 12:52 PM (hpgw1)

158 In the barrel, nudie mags touch you.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at April 10, 2014 12:52 PM (JtwS4)

159 >so shut your stupid mouths and go back to blowin' on your whiskey jugs, you unlettered, unshoed Unpeople.< What about cousin humpin'? Can we go back to that too? 'Cuz that there is a goooood time. ************ ugh, what about the 1% of Americans that make up the rest of the GOP? We top tier types need to get our love too in this idiotic portrayal of our party.

Posted by: joeindc44 at April 10, 2014 12:53 PM (+JbYP)

160 Orlando childcare hit and run turned himself in! Yay! Off streets (for now)

http://tinyurl.com/klkb3yg

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Bossy Redneck Queen at April 10, 2014 12:53 PM (baL2B)

161 Somebody up thread hit it on the nail - wait til the soccer moms can't see their women's parts docs. Landslide after that.

Posted by: Wtf at April 10, 2014 12:54 PM (pRe5G)

162 ot War from and with Women TOWNHALL – It may be shocking, but at least one Hollywood starlet is making sense. In an interview with Harper’s Bazaar in the U.K., actress Kirsten Dunst promoted the importance of traditional gender roles. Unsurprisingly, her remarks have been accompanied with backlash from self-righteous feminists. Here were a few of Dunst’s “controversial” comments: “I feel like the feminine has been a little undervalued… We all have to get our own jobs and make our own money, but staying at home, nurturing, being the mother, cooking – it’s a valuable thing my mum created.” “And sometimes, you need your knight in shining armor. I’m sorry. You need a man to be a man and a woman to be a woman. That’s why relationships work…” http://tinyurl.com/lsfpuar BOOM! This three minute debate needs to re-run on every TV set. EVERY GOP candidate, elected official, spokesman, operative and damned donor needs to know this by heart! Bill Krsitol simply destroys (more like DESTROYS) the Democrats on their failed and fraudulent on the issue of Women getting paid less http://tinyurl.com/k63k7dn both from the rightscoop both great.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: The Green Jacket at April 10, 2014 12:54 PM (IXrOn)

163 I do like how the left is exceeding in punishing the wonk gap and how we're all a bunch of illiterates (or at the same time, wealthy plutocrat robber barons) while being unable to string together coherent sentences. See Trey Gowdy today or, hell, any RedEye panel member versus the blank stare train wreck that is Sebelius or the Joe Scar show trying to talk up Hillary.

Posted by: joeindc44 at April 10, 2014 12:55 PM (+JbYP)

164
Wishful thinking is a pretty old concept; so is deluding oneself. Every one of us is susceptible to this, especially when we want something so bad.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Days of Rage Sale at the Outrage Outlet! at April 10, 2014 04:49 PM (hLRSq)



Wizards First Rule.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at April 10, 2014 12:56 PM (yh0zB)

165 @160 - what, you ain't got no cousins?

Posted by: JEM at April 10, 2014 12:56 PM (o+SC1)

166

Posted by: zombie at April 10, 2014 04:39 PM (mizYg)-

 

 

---------------------------------------------

 

 

Interesting comment that you made upthread about the experiment.  But wouldn't that type of behaviour also be considered "mob rule"?

 

Just sayin'.

Posted by: Soona at April 10, 2014 12:56 PM (KASOK)

167 Thanks for the fix

Posted by: NativeNH at April 10, 2014 12:57 PM (GBafw)

168 Who would want to fuck their cousin?

Posted by: Jamie Lannister at April 10, 2014 12:57 PM (Aif/5)

169 When rich people inbreed, it's called being of good stock. When the hill people do it, it's declasse.

Posted by: joeindc44 at April 10, 2014 12:57 PM (+JbYP)

170 Wizards First Rule. Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at April 10, 2014 04:56 PM (yh0zB) !!

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: The Green Jacket at April 10, 2014 12:58 PM (IXrOn)

171 @167 - while zombie makes a good point, the fact is that a lot of folks don't *want* to know they're being gamed.

Posted by: JEM at April 10, 2014 12:58 PM (o+SC1)

172 They are the alternate reality based community, first and foremost. Why? Because they have certain...disadvantages. Disadvantages? Yes, they're fucking crazy.

Posted by: joeindc44 at April 10, 2014 12:59 PM (+JbYP)

173 Ask people if they'd like the option of a catastrophic policy only and paying cash out of pocket the rest of the time. Guaranteed majority. The current system really only serves the government industry and the Insurance industry.

Posted by: --- at April 10, 2014 12:59 PM (MMC8r)

174 Propaganda often requires lying to convey a greater truth.

Posted by: Dan Rathers News Ghost at April 10, 2014 12:59 PM (1Boes)

175

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Days of Rage Sale at the Outrage Outlet! at April 10, 2014 04:49 PM (hLRSq)

 

yea,I still remember thinking that Romney was going to win until the results in VA started coming in ...

Posted by: rich@gmu at April 10, 2014 01:00 PM (RhQvZ)

176 >>>prog unskrewing Is this about abortion?

Posted by: bergerbilder at April 10, 2014 01:00 PM (8MjqI)

177

 It may be shocking, but at least one Hollywood starlet is making sense. In an interview with HarperÂ’s Bazaar in the U.K., actress Kirsten Dunst promoted the importance of traditional gender roles. Unsurprisingly, her remarks have been accompanied with backlash from self-righteous feminists.

 

-----------------------------------

 

 

I commented on this yesterday, but, alas, no one responded.  Hooray for Kirsten.  I know in other areas she's a screeching leftist, but  at  least she gets some of it.

Posted by: Soona at April 10, 2014 01:01 PM (KASOK)

178 The Left lies.

The Left always lies.

The Left knows they lie.

The Left considers their inherent need to lie to be an intelligent strategy.

The Left is purely a movement of aggressive hate towards the American Middle Class.

This is Civil War.

Posted by: Something at April 10, 2014 01:01 PM (pQJEV)

179 I expect the 'ettes to work wonders with shoes made out of old tires and potato sacks for outfits.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at April 10, 2014 01:01 PM (oFCZn)

180 @170 - 'of good stock' right up until they're all hemophiliac idiots. Me, I don't have enough blood relatives left to find a cousin I'd bother shtupping.

Posted by: JEM at April 10, 2014 01:02 PM (o+SC1)

181 I'm calling to make an appt. with a new doc. So far this is what I've heard.... 'Press 1 to make an appt.' 'Dr. Blah Blah's office, please hold.' That was over 10 mins. ago. And their music sucks.... This may not be the doc for me.

Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at April 10, 2014 01:02 PM (bCEmE)

182 Obamacare is fine. All negative outcomes are lies or the macinations of George Bush.

Posted by: LIV at April 10, 2014 01:02 PM (/h+xv)

183

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: The Green Jacket at April 10, 2014 04:54 PM (IXrOn)-

 

Stacy Dash was on tv this morning talking about the same thing on fox. surprised me.

Posted by: rich@gmu at April 10, 2014 01:02 PM (RhQvZ)

184 Who would want to fuck their cousin? No kidding. That's just sick.

Posted by: Cersei Lannister at April 10, 2014 01:03 PM (3W9Zk)

185 I commented on this yesterday, but, alas, no one responded. Hooray for Kirsten. I know in other areas she's a screeching leftist, but at least she gets some of it. Posted by: Soona at April 10, 2014 05:01 PM (KASOK) Ah, didn't see your post yesterday. Was a busy day, so I was on and off all day. I love what she said. Especially the knight in shining armor. Love it.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: The Green Jacket at April 10, 2014 01:03 PM (IXrOn)

186 Unskew my heart.

Posted by: Joe Cocker at April 10, 2014 01:03 PM (Dwehj)

187 In other news, this is still happening:

European partners have left Russia with "no alternative" but to halt supplies of gas to Ukraine and Europe, according to a letter from Russian president Putin to European leaders. The remarks, as Reuters reports, were the strongest sign yet that Russia could curtail supplies of gas to (and through) Ukraine affecting supplies of gas to Europe (as they fear Ukraine will siphon off Russian gas meant for Europe).

At ZH

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 10, 2014 01:04 PM (hUf/y)

188 @185 - Now. Anywhere.

Posted by: JEM at April 10, 2014 01:04 PM (o+SC1)

189 Stacy Dash was on tv this morning talking about the same thing on fox. surprised me. Posted by: rich@gmu at April 10, 2014 05:02 PM (RhQvZ) Maybe we've reached the tipping point, and even Hollywood is not afraid to come out of the shadows.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: The Green Jacket at April 10, 2014 01:04 PM (IXrOn)

190 If you like your waiting on hold musak, you can keep your waiting on hold musak, period.

Posted by: King Ogabe at April 10, 2014 01:05 PM (pgQxn)

191 Stacy Dash has been conservative for a while, though.

Posted by: --- at April 10, 2014 01:06 PM (MMC8r)

192 I am so surprised by these headlines. ... I've just returned from Mars (yes, that's the name of the bar).

Posted by: and irresolute at April 10, 2014 01:06 PM (RqHWH)

193 It's magical thinking all the way down. King Putt - All I have to do i give the command and it will happen. Like magic. Democrat Politicians - We can stuff any piece of wish list crap in this bill and it will all work out. Like magic. Democrat voters - Adding lots of new people to current insurance rolls who aren't paying the cost of their insurance plus adding a huge thick layer of bureaucracy on top of it all with thousands of more people on a gov't payroll will result in me, a taxpayer, paying lower costs with unlimited better care and saving over $2500 per year. It's like magic. Democrat Hack Press - People who said they didn't want Obamacare really want it to do more to take away their individual say in their own healthcare. Once Obamacare takes hold everyone will love having gov't bureaucrats control their lives and having to pay much much more. Like magic.

Posted by: naturalfake at April 10, 2014 01:06 PM (0cMkb)

194 I am NSFW. http://tinyurl.com/l99to2u

Posted by: Kirsten Dunst at April 10, 2014 01:07 PM (Aif/5)

195 Still on hold...coming up on 15 mins. Wanna bet they put me on hold and went home?

Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at April 10, 2014 01:07 PM (bCEmE)

196 @188 - I'm 100% in favor of telling the EU that they can take a flying fuck in a rolling doughnut until they start taking reasonable steps toward exploiting their own energy resources, and that includes hiring a bunch of American firms to help them get started on fracking.

Posted by: JEM at April 10, 2014 01:07 PM (o+SC1)

197 Who would want to fuck their cousin? No kidding. That's just sick. That's what she says too. She likes to call it "making love", so hey - whatever.

Posted by: Cletus McCoy at April 10, 2014 01:07 PM (pgQxn)

198 The other very interesting Obamacare news of the week is that data have begun to trickle in from the pharmaceutical fulfillment side of health care, about the type of prescriptions that Obamacare patrons are filing to be filled.

They're getting expensive HIV-AIDS drugs at a whopping four times the national average.

So, given that HIV-AIDS is essentially completely avoidable in 99% of instances with ordinarily prudent behavior, and has been that way for decades, what Obamacare comes down in this instance to is a massive subsidy to the imprudent idiots who shot up with dirty needles or screwed strangers without condoms. Hooray.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 10, 2014 01:08 PM (noWW6)

199 185 Who would want to fuck their cousin? No kidding. That's just sick. Posted by: Cersei Lannister at April 10, 2014 05:03 PM (3W9Zk) You damn kids! Your mother was my cousin!

Posted by: Tywin Lannister at April 10, 2014 01:08 PM (sv/s3)

200 Still on hold...coming up on 15 mins. Wanna bet they put me on hold and went home? I used to do that before I became an angry white man. What I do is call them back and explain they accidentally put me on hold. Sometimes - that's exactly what happened. They forgot and started talking about whatever stupid TV show is on tonight.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at April 10, 2014 01:09 PM (pgQxn)

201 186 I love what she said. Especially the knight in shining armor. Love it. Posted by: artisanal 'ette: The Green Jacket at April 10, 2014 05:03 PM (IXrOn) ------------------- I love what she said about her mum. As a Baby Boomer, I often cringed at how so many young women spit on their own mothers by dismissing the role of homemaker. Nice to see Dunst defend her mum's choice as valuable.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 10, 2014 01:09 PM (dfYL9)

202 Calif. docs gouging insured patients. Who could have seen this coming?

Posted by: Beyond Disgusted at April 10, 2014 01:09 PM (thLL8)

203 @199 - when you find us a continent to which we can escape and reestablish something broadly equivalent to the original constitution plus fifteen or so amendments, without any random emanations or penumbras belching forth to queer things, let us know.

Posted by: JEM at April 10, 2014 01:10 PM (o+SC1)

204 Still on hold...coming up on 15 mins. Wanna bet they put me on hold and went home? Sucker bet. Not taking it.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 10, 2014 01:11 PM (ndIek)

205

Posted by: --- at April 10, 2014 05:06 PM (MMC8r)-

 

didn't know that, and she mentioned it in her interview. she is stunning gorgeous and i'd pay attention if she just started reading a phone book.

Posted by: rich@gmu at April 10, 2014 01:12 PM (RhQvZ)

206 Just wait until people find out you cant buy health insurance except from October to December. It is very likely that everyone on the individual market could have to change plans every year too. Surely since this was by design, Healthcare.gov will be able to handle a hundred million visits in during the enrollment period.

Posted by: wodun at April 10, 2014 01:12 PM (fbqZE)

207 I have knee problems. I had one replaced in December 2013 and its driving me nuts. I'm not happy with surgeon who did work. I called a 2nd orthopod for a second opinion. I asked receptionist. Taking new patients? Her answer, It depends. Depends on what I ask? Depends on what you have for insurance? I say the carrier I have. Appointment made. Glad I have what I have. But I have a feeling I have a Cadillac plan.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 10, 2014 01:13 PM (HVff2)

208 Stacy has always been a spicy little thing.

Posted by: Mrs. Dash at April 10, 2014 01:13 PM (Dwehj)

209 17 mins. before someone picked up. That's a bad omen....

Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at April 10, 2014 01:15 PM (bCEmE)

210

Still on hold...coming up on 15 mins.

Wanna bet they put me on hold and went home?

 

 

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Quit whining about the musak.  One of these days  Dear Leader is going to sign an EO discontinuing it and replace it with his speeches.

 

Yes.  It could be worse. 

Posted by: Soona at April 10, 2014 01:15 PM (KASOK)

211 183 Obamacare is fine. All negative outcomes are lies or the macinations of George Bush. Posted by: LIV at April 10, 2014 05:02 PM (/h+xv And Ronald Reagan....you forgot 1.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 10, 2014 01:15 PM (HVff2)

212 So I said: "The other very interesting Obamacare news of the week is that data have begun to trickle in from the pharmaceutical fulfillment side of health care, about the type of prescriptions that Obamacare patrons are filing to be filled."

Also -- and who could have seen this shocking plot twist coming -- Obamacare patrons are also getting prescriptions for narcotic painkillers at way above the national average.

As anyone who is familiar with the Medicaid patient population will know, there is incredibly widespread abuse of that system by "disadvantaged patients to access and resell narcotics. Some docs shun Medicaid populations specifically because they don't want the hassle and the license risks of dealing with so many drug seekers in their office.

I've heard it called "pharming". People go to the doc, feign soft tissue injuries and chronic pain, get scripted for popular narcotics like Oxycontin, and they then turn around and resell the pills on the street for a large pocket profit.

So Obamacare is just further expanding that already well entrenched system of abuse, and sticking the rest of us with the bills for the discount pills that will be resold to junkies. A triumph of liberalism.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 10, 2014 01:16 PM (noWW6)

213 hemophilia...some heavy alcoholicism. Days filled with the Sort of General Malaise That Only the Genius Possess and the Insane Lament. Great hair though.

Posted by: joeindc44 at April 10, 2014 01:16 PM (+JbYP)

214 I've put America on hold.

Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at April 10, 2014 01:16 PM (Dwehj)

215 207 Just wait until people find out you cant buy health insurance except from October to December. Posted by: wodun at April 10, 2014 05:12 PM (fbqZE) ------------------------ Yep. This is insane.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 10, 2014 01:16 PM (dfYL9)

216

Posted by: Mrs. Dash at April 10, 2014 05:13 PM (Dwehj) -

 

ha, clever

Posted by: rich@gmu at April 10, 2014 01:17 PM (RhQvZ)

217 Remember, remember, this fourth of November
Obamacare, treason, and plot
I see no reason why Obamacare treason
Should ever be forgot

Posted by: Blanco Basura at April 10, 2014 01:17 PM (4WhSY)

218 213 183 Obamacare is fine. All negative outcomes are lies or the macinations of George Bush. Posted by: LIV at April 10, 2014 05:02 PM (/h+xv And Ronald Reagan....you forgot 1. *** nah, bro, you forgot Herbert Hoover. FDR had to blame his complete decade long Great Depression on someone.

Posted by: joeindc44 at April 10, 2014 01:17 PM (+JbYP)

219 Posted by: torquewrench at April 10, 2014 05:16 PM (noWW6) It's almost like the Big Pharma carved out a deal with the Gubmint to rake in extra cash on their drugs.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at April 10, 2014 01:17 PM (oFCZn)

220 207 Just wait until people find out you cant buy health insurance except from October to December. Posted by: wodun at April 10, 2014 05:12 PM (fbqZE) just wait until people find out that health insurance is not HEALTHCARE

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at April 10, 2014 01:17 PM (u8GsB)

221 @212 - 'If you wish to contribute $2 to the Democratic National Committee press 1 to jump to the head of the queue, if you wish to continue waiting forever press 2'

Posted by: JEM at April 10, 2014 01:18 PM (o+SC1)

222 Gee where's moo moo to declare that this is all wrong because Obama totally knows how to use social media to properly influence people and get them on his side.

Posted by: Buzzion at April 10, 2014 01:18 PM (0GUUS)

223 http://tinyurl.com/l99to2u Posted by: Kirsten Dunst at April 10, 2014 05:07 PM (Aif/5) Thems nursed some babies.

Posted by: bergerbilder at April 10, 2014 01:18 PM (8MjqI)

224 @225 - yeah, but a used McLaren F1 is still a McLaren F1.

Posted by: JEM at April 10, 2014 01:19 PM (o+SC1)

225 just wait until people find out that health insurance is not HEALTHCARE

We were told it was gonna be free and we're sticking with that.

Posted by: Low Information Voters at April 10, 2014 01:19 PM (Dwehj)

226 Speaking of Moo Moo, who's going to plow my furrow?

Posted by: Hillary! at April 10, 2014 01:20 PM (FcR7P)

227 "European partners have left Russia with 'no alternative' but to halt supplies of gas to Ukraine and Europe, according to a letter from Russian president Putin to European leaders."

It's going to be lots of fun next winter watching the Euroweenies desperately trying to keep their countries warm and well lit with windmills and solar panels. When it's dark as the inside of a coal mine and the wind isn't blowing. As has been known to happen.

I suspect that once again, surplus French nuclear electricity is going to be the thing which saves the rest of Europe from outright energy supply disaster. But, there won't be enough of it to go round, and it can't replace gas for everything, so there are going to be hard, hard times coming.

Reagan warned the Euroweenies about the risk of dependence on Soviet energy. They, never fans of Reagan, figured that the Russian bear had mellowed in the post-Soviet era and that the advice could be ignored. Fools. Dangerous fools.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 10, 2014 01:20 PM (noWW6)

228 Thems nursed some babies.

Thems ain't babies...thems is fidgets!

Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at April 10, 2014 01:21 PM (Dwehj)

229 Me!!!!

Posted by: Muhamad al muhamed ibn Achmed! at April 10, 2014 01:21 PM (nkPV9)

230 I miss Ari Gold

Posted by: Mr Selfridge at April 10, 2014 01:21 PM (s/sIv)

231 Reagan warned the Euroweenies about the risk of dependence on Soviet energy. They, never fans of Reagan, figured that the Russian bear had mellowed in the post-Soviet era and that the advice could be ignored. Maybe when Gorby was running it. There's a new sheriff in town.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 10, 2014 01:22 PM (ndIek)

232 Speaking of Moo Moo, who's going to plow my furrow?

Here I come to save the day! Mighty Contrarian is on the way!

Posted by: Mr. Foo Foo at April 10, 2014 01:24 PM (Dwehj)

233 "It's almost like the Big Pharma carved out a deal with the Gubmint to rake in extra cash on their drugs."

Oh, surely not. Why, that would be cynical and corrupt and manipulative.

We all know that Big Business would _never_ actively collude with Big Government schemes to pad their profit margins. Unthinkable.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 10, 2014 01:24 PM (noWW6)

234 Obama Care has made most people's lives significantly worse and hasn't even really helped the Proletarian Democrat interest groups it was supposed to. So, yeah.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 10, 2014 01:24 PM (9W+0f)

235 Thems nursed some babies.

Posted by: bergerbilder at April 10, 2014 05:18 PM (8MjqI)

 

 

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Them kids have had them some fine fine upbringin' then.

Posted by: Soona at April 10, 2014 01:25 PM (KASOK)

236 Let's file this revelation in the "No Kidding" file. I thought the 7 million victory lap was utterly bizarre and desperate and I think it showed through. "We forced 6 million off their health insurance, raised premiums for 10s of millions, signed up felons. Victory. Oh and the debate is over." Pathetic.

Posted by: Naes1984 at April 10, 2014 01:25 PM (LiHKo)

237 If we just tell the 35% of the GOP that socons make up to fuck off we're golden!

Posted by: I Have Seen The Light at April 10, 2014 01:25 PM (Aif/5)

238 whatever, why do you wingnuts want people to die??? Opposing obamacare means you don't want people to get medicine!!! signed, xxoo the wonkgap personified.

Posted by: joeindc44 at April 10, 2014 01:25 PM (+JbYP)

239 37% would approve of any Democrat policy initiative.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 10, 2014 01:26 PM (9W+0f)

240 OT- I laughed at this headline over at "Gay Patriot" "Lena Dunham says something mind numbingly stupid." What else is new? “I have always felt a strong and emotional connection to members of the LGBTQ community. It was actually a huge disappointment for me when I came of age and realized that I was sexually attracted to men. So when my sister came out, I thought, ‘Thank God, now someone in this family can truly represent my beliefs and passions.’”

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 10, 2014 01:27 PM (XyM/Y)

241 37% would approve of any Democrat policy initiative

Including reeducation camps.

Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at April 10, 2014 01:27 PM (Dwehj)

242 And the ABC poll might have been intentionally malefactorial.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 10, 2014 01:28 PM (9W+0f)

243 37% would approve of any Democrat policy initiative. Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 10, 2014 05:26 PM (9W+0f) Can we sell them on castration and sterilization? Please?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 10, 2014 01:28 PM (nzKvP)

244 @233 - if I were President, and I never will be, I'd propose natural gas exports to those EU members importing Russian gas that: a) Zero their participation in the IPCC b) Pass a reasonable energy development program including conventional and unconventional (fracking) natural gas production and development of generators to burn it Until you've got those steps through your legislative process, your calls go to voicemail.

Posted by: JEM at April 10, 2014 01:28 PM (o+SC1)

245 This douche (see video) from Chicago says they are dealing with a very serious fiscal matter in the state, and it has to be addressed. So, he's supporting the Republican. Chicago Dems throw support behind GOP candidate Apr. 08, 2014 - 3:13 - Obama supporter who led outreach campaign among Latinos explains why he - and others - have decided to endorse the Republican candidate for governor You go insane watching him. LOL He likes Scott Walker. Daniels in Indiana. He doesn't even know what he's saying. Not comprehending it. But, he would still vote for Obama, again. I wish Greta had asked why? Why would you vote for him again? http://tinyurl.com/pzx3ra9 Posted by: artisanal 'ette: The Green Jacket at April 10, 2014 04:20 PM (IXrOn) Considering he would support Rauner, Walker, and Daniels, I get the frustration over Obama-love, but isn't that a gigantic fucking step to say that Republican Governors are better at setting priorities straight and balancing what needs it?

Posted by: CAC at April 10, 2014 01:28 PM (HwX1o)

246 My needles have been shipped. So that's nice.

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 10, 2014 01:29 PM (O96tM)

247 But, he would still vote for Obama, again.

Of course he would. All of that free shit doesn't just grow on trees, ya know.

Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at April 10, 2014 01:30 PM (Dwehj)

248 Please enter you 48-digit PIN, followed by the pound key. I'm sorry, I do not recognize that number. Please try again. And this time, don't press the pound key too hard, or it becomes a smash key. This service does not recognize a smash key.

Posted by: bergerbilder at April 10, 2014 01:30 PM (8MjqI)

249 Polls don't really help Democracy anyway. They'll probably end up being censored. Because Free Speech Subverts Democracy.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 10, 2014 01:30 PM (9W+0f)

250 >>> They're adding that 37% support for Obamacare to another figure that says something like 12% would prefer a "more liberal" law, and coming up with 49% in favor of Obamacare or something even worse.<<<

And the staunch republican numbers have got to be at least in the low double digits, so there's that, wingnuts.

Posted by: Fritz at April 10, 2014 01:31 PM (oJUxt)

251

The 'Cadillac Plan Tax' is a ticking time bomb.

 

With the increases in premium costs...millions of people now will be liable for this new Tax.

And they don't even know it.

 

When they take these Polls, do they ask about the parts of ObummerCare that have been delayed?

 

These Polls are bogus for many reasons.

But the biggest reason...is the fact that people aren't even aware of the worst parts that haven't kicked in yet.

 

Posted by: wheatie at April 10, 2014 01:31 PM (FWbLS)

252 Only the elites should be allowed to judge their own brilliance.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 10, 2014 01:32 PM (9W+0f)

253 @242 - she's interested in MEN? Really? I thought she was just angry 'cause Obama wouldn't buy her a strap-on.

Posted by: JEM at April 10, 2014 01:32 PM (o+SC1)

254 I'm paying $2500 more premium with an extra $3000 deductible. WHAT'S NOT TO LOVE????

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 10, 2014 01:32 PM (0LHZx)

255 All thinking should be Scientific.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 10, 2014 01:33 PM (9W+0f)

256 Unscientific thinking is double plus ungood unthought.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 10, 2014 01:34 PM (9W+0f)

257 224 Gee where's moo moo to declare that this is all wrong because Obama totally knows how to use social media to properly influence people and get them on his side. Posted by: Buzzion at April 10, 2014 05:18 PM (0GUUS) _______ He influenced a shit ton of people to sign up didn't he? Yeah sure they're not paying. But it doesn't matter, he used social media effectively. But by all means let's ignore reality and pretend social media isn't a useful tool in politics. ORCA BABY!!

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 10, 2014 01:34 PM (0LHZx)

258 @247 - when the Asian and Indian (not native American) money goes to the GOP in California then we'll have turned a corner.

Posted by: JEM at April 10, 2014 01:34 PM (o+SC1)

259 If'n I ever run into this ace feller, I'm gonna give him such a bite with boaf of my remaining toofies.

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 10, 2014 01:34 PM (cHZB7)

260 37% would approve of any Democrat policy initiative Including reeducation camps. For themselves.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 10, 2014 01:35 PM (ndIek)

261 37% would approve of any Democrat policy initiative

Including reeducation camps.

Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at April 10, 2014 05:27 PM (Dwehj)

 

 

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37-40% of the citizens of this country are hard-core, anti-American leftists.  Dear Leader's appoval numbers will never go below 40%.

 

It's a very sad  statement about our country.

Posted by: Soona at April 10, 2014 01:35 PM (KASOK)

262 Unenlightened, stigmatized traditionalism.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 10, 2014 01:35 PM (9W+0f)

263 Crime think.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 10, 2014 01:35 PM (9W+0f)

264 "He doesn't even know what he's saying. Not comprehending it. But, he would still vote for Obama, again. I wish Greta had asked why? Why would you vote for him again."

Because it's a religious cult immune to fact and reason.

Credo quia absurdum.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 10, 2014 01:36 PM (noWW6)

265 260 @247 - when the Asian and Indian (not native American) money goes to the GOP in California then we'll have turned a corner. Posted by: JEM at April 10, 2014 05:34 PM (o+SC1) _________ So around 2065ish?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 10, 2014 01:36 PM (0LHZx)

266 If we could just get rid of the 38% of the GOP who identify as theological conservatives we'd win elections.

Posted by: Cereal You Guys at April 10, 2014 01:36 PM (Aif/5)

267 Bennett: Bayit Yehudi will leave government if prisoners freed Refrencing disputed group of Israeli-Arab prisoners, Bennett says he will leave coalition if government passes reported proposal to save talks by freeing Palestinian prisoners in exchange for Pollard, continued talks. I expect if Netanyahu bowes to kerry/american pressure his government will fall

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 10, 2014 01:37 PM (nzKvP)

268 Crocs are shoes, asshole.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at April 10, 2014 01:38 PM (uhMMS)

269 37-40% of the citizens of this country are hard-core, anti-American leftists. Dear Leader's appoval numbers will never go below 40%. It's a very sad statement about our country. Posted by: Soona at April 10, 2014 05:35 PM (KASOK) _______ I wouldn't say hard core leftists, but hard core Democrats (yes I know, it's a fine line but there is a difference). The union guy will always vote DEM. It's not because he hates America and wants a Bolshevik revolution. He's just been taught all his life that Dems are for "the little guy". He's a fool, but that doesn't make him a communist, usually. I know a few old timers who fall into this group. They're good people in general, patriotic, love hot dogs and baseball and the rest of the cliches....and they'd rather eat glass than vote Republican.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 10, 2014 01:39 PM (0LHZx)

270 @222 phoenixgirl "just wait until people find out that health insurance is not HEALTHCARE" They will be found at home waiting by the phone for that next appointment confirmation, that never came, with their insurance health card cluthed in their cold, dead hands. This is going to screw everyone, but especially the poor when the dust settles.

Posted by: LIV at April 10, 2014 01:40 PM (/h+xv)

271 Off sock.

Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at April 10, 2014 01:40 PM (/h+xv)

272 Speaking of failing governments... it's been months and months since Italy's govt dissolved -- isn't it way overdue for another dissolution??

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 10, 2014 01:40 PM (O96tM)

273

Got my chompers today.  My tooth implants are complete.  I'm going to have to  re-learn how to talk, though.

Posted by: Soona at April 10, 2014 01:41 PM (KASOK)

274 "269 Bennett: Bayit Yehudi will leave government if prisoners freed Refrencing disputed group of Israeli-Arab prisoners, Bennett says he will leave coalition if government passes reported proposal to save talks by freeing Palestinian prisoners in exchange for Pollard, continued talks. I expect if Netanyahu bowes to kerry/american pressure his government will fall" Bennett of the Bayit Yehudi party is one of the only Israeli politicians with a sensible solution to the conflict in the short term. Annex Area C with the 360,000 Jews and grant the 50,000 Arabs in Area C citizenship. Area C has all of the important strategic areas like the Jordan Valley and the water sources. Area A and B retain autonomy but never independence.

Posted by: Naes1984 at April 10, 2014 01:42 PM (LiHKo)

275 ' “Liberal means choice to me at least and it leaves us no choice, we are forced to buy insurance we may neither need or want,” another said. '

Exactly - liberals are all about CHOICE when it comes to having an abortion, but when it comes to whether or not to purchase health insurance at all you have NO CHOICE, and LESS CHOICE than before about what type of insurance you buy.

Posted by: AAA at April 10, 2014 01:42 PM (fG412)

276 Got my chompers today. My tooth implants are complete. I'm going to have to re-learn how to talk, though. You sound fine here.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 10, 2014 01:42 PM (ndIek)

277 The 1980 Senate surge wasn't really evident until late 1980. It was hinted at, but the number of seats considered vulnerable at this point in that election was around five to six. We ended up washing out the Watergate Dems to the tune of a dozen pickups. Considering over a dozen seats are now considered "in play", with a few more as extra-galactic possibilities, things could get uglier than we could even dream.* *Or, you know. We'll fuck up.

Posted by: CAC at April 10, 2014 01:43 PM (HwX1o)

278

275 Got my chompers today. My tooth implants are complete. I'm going to have to re-learn how to talk, though.

 

Sounds painful, Soona.

I hope they gave you some good drugs.

 

 

Posted by: wheatie at April 10, 2014 01:44 PM (FWbLS)

279 I hate that the mandate is the reason so many people hate O-Care. I'm fine with the mandate. I hate the fact that govt decides what is and is not acceptable insurance. That's the most egregious part of the whole thing, not the mandate. But it's always lost in the debate.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 10, 2014 01:44 PM (0LHZx)

280 @260 JEM CA will still have to burn first, before it turns around.

Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at April 10, 2014 01:44 PM (/h+xv)

281

i'm stumped on that prisoner exchange deal. maybe the admin is hoping the Netanyahu government falls ...

 

Posted by: I Have Seen The Light at April 10, 2014 05:25 PM (Aif/5)-

can we start calling the big tent GOP The Love Shack

Posted by: rich@gmu at April 10, 2014 01:44 PM (RhQvZ)

282 Speaking of failing governments... it's been months and months since Italy's govt dissolved -- isn't it way overdue for another dissolution?? Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 10, 2014 05:40 PM (O96tM) They should clone Rob Ford and put him in charge. He'd fit right in.

Posted by: CAC at April 10, 2014 01:44 PM (HwX1o)

283

I'd be in favor of a new healthcare law that would provide free grits and a national ban o, George Lucas.

May I also add that NO ONE KNOWS WHAT THE SO-CALLED LAW IS BECAUSE IT'S UNDER ALL THOSE WAIVERS.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 10, 2014 01:45 PM (SAV4V)

284 *Or, you know. We'll fuck up.

Posted by: CAC at April 10, 2014 05:43 PM (HwX1o)

The sad thing is that while it is a reliably funny punch line; like all good jokes, it is essentially true.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 10, 2014 01:46 PM (QFxY5)

285 "I expect if Netanyahu bowes to kerry/american pressure his government will fall"

I suspect that Obama and Kerry are trying to deliberately engineer that outcome.

Hoping that out of the wreckage, a coalition government can be cobbled together by someone like Tzipi Livni who will be more amenable to the very chancy "peace" deal that the US administration is pushing.

The Israeli public shouldn't buy this.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 10, 2014 01:46 PM (noWW6)

286 "271 37-40% of the citizens of this country are hard-core, anti-American leftists. Dear Leader's appoval numbers will never go below 40%. It's a very sad statement about our country. Posted by: Soona at April 10, 2014 05:35 PM (KASOK) _______ I wouldn't say hard core leftists, but hard core Democrats (yes I know, it's a fine line but there is a difference). The union guy will always vote DEM. It's not because he hates America and wants a Bolshevik revolution. He's just been taught all his life that Dems are for "the little guy". He's a fool, but that doesn't make him a communist, usually. I know a few old timers who fall into this group. They're good people in general, patriotic, love hot dogs and baseball and the rest of the cliches....and they'd rather eat glass than vote Republican. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 10, 2014 05:39 PM (0LHZx)" To internalize class warfare/classism/"partyism" to that extent is to internalize Leftism. It's a matter of embracing Nihilistic antisocial collectivism.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 10, 2014 01:46 PM (9W+0f)

287 Posted by: rich@gmu at April 10, 2014 05:44 PM (RhQvZ)

The B-52s beat you to it.

http://tinyurl.com/oyxht9s

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 10, 2014 01:47 PM (QFxY5)

288 271

I wouldn't say hard core leftists, but hard core Democrats (yes I know, it's a fine line but there is a difference). The union guy will always vote DEM. It's not because he hates America and wants a Bolshevik revolution. He's just been taught all his life that Dems are for "the little guy". He's a fool, but that doesn't make him a communist, usually.

I know a few old timers who fall into this group. They're good people in general, patriotic, love hot dogs and baseball and the rest of the cliches....and they'd rather eat glass than vote Republican. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo

That's essentially most of Massachusetts, esp. the workers.  They love their cushy jobs but definitely are not liberal.

Posted by: SFGoth at April 10, 2014 01:47 PM (bgvFr)

289 The Israeli public shouldn't buy this.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 10, 2014 05:46 PM (noWW6)

They won't.

The bloom is off the Obama rose in Israel, and has been for a long time.

The fact that he has had two anti-Semites as Sec State hasn't helped his popularity.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 10, 2014 01:49 PM (QFxY5)

290 "274 Speaking of failing governments... it's been months and months since Italy's govt dissolved -- isn't it way overdue for another dissolution?? Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 10, 2014 05:40 PM (O96tM)" Government means cabinet in that context and isn't that uncommon in parliamentary systems which don't employ first-past-the-post, although not all are equally volatile.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 10, 2014 01:49 PM (9W+0f)

291 @DRUDGE_REPORT 13m

Woman throws shoe at Hillary during speech in Vegas... http://drudge.tw/1mZYNpz

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at April 10, 2014 01:49 PM (m58Tu)

292

285...May I also add that NO ONE KNOWS WHAT THE SO-CALLED LAW IS BECAUSE IT'S UNDER ALL THOSE WAIVERS.

 

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 10, 2014 05:45 PM (SAV4V) 

 

---------

 

Exactly!

 

We're just getting the tip.

The worst parts are still yet to come.

 

That's why these Polls are bogus.

Most people aren't even aware of the ticking time bombs that are coming.

 

Posted by: wheatie at April 10, 2014 01:49 PM (FWbLS)

293 >>>*Or, you know. We'll fuck up.

Posted by: CAC at April 10, 2014 05:43 PM (HwX1o)<<<

 

keep expectations low and we'll never be disappointed.

Posted by: rich@gmu at April 10, 2014 01:50 PM (RhQvZ)

294 "*Or, you know. We'll fuck up."

Now would be an absolutely perfect time for a socon Republican Senate hopeful to volunteer for a TV interview and start babbling premedieval nonsense about how if a pregnancy results from rape, it must not have been "legitimate rape".

Counting down to evaporation of GOP hopes in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1...

Posted by: torquewrench at April 10, 2014 01:51 PM (noWW6)

295

The same genius, Granny Rictus McBotox that told us we had to pass the ACA bill to find out what's in it has come up with another gem:

She likens the nation's immigration law to the internment of Japanese in World War II.  She bleats on about it being a black mark in our history, etc. etc.

 

 Um, Nancy you grizzled, 50 IQ hag:  Deporting people that have committed an illegal act is not the same as people who broke no laws and were rounded up due to their ethnicity by a Democratic President. Jesus.

Posted by: Cheri at April 10, 2014 01:51 PM (G+Wff)

296 "277 ' “Liberal means choice to me at least and it leaves us no choice, we are forced to buy insurance we may neither need or want,” another said. ' Exactly - liberals are all about CHOICE when it comes to having an abortion, but when it comes to whether or not to purchase health insurance at all you have NO CHOICE, and LESS CHOICE than before about what type of insurance you buy. Posted by: AAA at April 10, 2014 05:42 PM (fG412)" The fetus doesn't really get a choice. In Soviet Liberalism, the fetus is YOU!

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 10, 2014 01:51 PM (9W+0f)

297 Of the 37% that loooove Obamacare, how many are on Medicaid and don't really give a Shit?

Posted by: --- at April 10, 2014 01:51 PM (MMC8r)

298 Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 10, 2014 05:44 PM (0LHZx)

No, it's not lost in the debate.

Focus....

If you are "fine with the mandate" then you are fine with government coercion.

That you do not see this is indicative of something.

Can you guess what it is?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 10, 2014 01:51 PM (QFxY5)

299 Nood.

Posted by: johnd01 at April 10, 2014 01:52 PM (ukNFU)

300 Some tart just threw a shoe at me!

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at April 10, 2014 01:52 PM (/h+xv)

301 Did someone mention shoes?

http://bit.ly/1jwSndQ

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 10, 2014 04:41 PM (mf5HN)


I understand we're never going to get that bikini evidence from the Hillary thread - but how about a selfie of an ankle in some stompy shoes? Or would the knowledge that drooling Morons were staring at  you be too much for you?

Posted by: [/i] [/s] [/u] [/b] An Observation at April 10, 2014 01:52 PM (ylhEn)

302 287 "I expect if Netanyahu bowes to kerry/american pressure his government will fall" I suspect that Obama and Kerry are trying to deliberately engineer that outcome. Hoping that out of the wreckage, a coalition government can be cobbled together by someone like Tzipi Livni who will be more amenable to the very chancy "peace" deal that the US administration is pushing. The Israeli public shouldn't buy this." If the government falls, there will be new elections. If there is another election, chances are that it will be more right-wing and Livni and Yair Lapid would be out of the new government all together. I have no doubt that the administration is trying to topple the government but they've totally miscalculated (as usual) the likeliest outcome.

Posted by: Naes1984 at April 10, 2014 01:53 PM (LiHKo)

303 it's been months and months since Italy's govt dissolved -- isn't it way overdue for another dissolution?? Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 10, 2014 05:40 PM (O96tM) It's just business...

Posted by: Mothers ans Fathers Italian Association at April 10, 2014 01:53 PM (8MjqI)

304 Woman throws shoe at Hillary during speech in Vegas... ===== Against Bush - hilarious Against Hilly - HATE CRIME!!!!!!

Posted by: --- at April 10, 2014 01:53 PM (MMC8r)

305 White wing supremacist: swan attacks foreign students A swan nesting at Warwick University has been accused of attacking students from ethnic minorities

http://tinyurl.com/nkk3n3w

Naturally...

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at April 10, 2014 01:54 PM (uhMMS)

306 Posted by: torquewrench at April 10, 2014 05:51 PM (noWW6)

Wolf Blitzer: Senator, can you expand on your earlier comments about contraception?

Senator Republicanidiot: Wolf, I am a firm believer in the scientifically proven proof that contraception is abortion, and therefore I cannot in good conscience support any method of birth control other than the music method...errr...rhythm method.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 10, 2014 01:54 PM (QFxY5)

307 "281 I hate that the mandate is the reason so many people hate O-Care. I'm fine with the mandate. I hate the fact that govt decides what is and is not acceptable insurance. That's the most egregious part of the whole thing, not the mandate. But it's always lost in the debate. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 10, 2014 05:44 PM (0LHZx)" It's serfdom all the way down. You just find some serfdom more objectionable, mostly on purely pragmatic grounds.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 10, 2014 01:54 PM (9W+0f)

308 At WZ: House Conservatives Plot to Oust Boehner, Put Scare Into Cantor Traitors. Sob. I do so much reaching across the isle I will never get the stains out of my blue dress. Sob. sob.

Posted by: John Boehner at April 10, 2014 01:57 PM (/h+xv)

309 288 --- To internalize class warfare/classism/"partyism" to that extent is to internalize Leftism. It's a matter of embracing Nihilistic antisocial collectivism. ----------------------- No, I gotta agree with Moo Moo (gasp!) on this one. There are quite a few yellow-dog Dems out there that are just....well, simple-minded. They think the GOP is the party of the rich. They honestly think the Dems are the party of the compassionate. They really think Jesus would vote for the Dems. To the extent that they "think" at all, I mean. I'm not talking about the "intelligentsia," such as it is, nor the politicos. There are some foolish chumps out there who are neither nihilistic nor collectivist.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 10, 2014 01:59 PM (dfYL9)

310 "296 "*Or, you know. We'll fuck up." Now would be an absolutely perfect time for a socon Republican Senate hopeful to volunteer for a TV interview and start babbling premedieval nonsense about how if a pregnancy results from rape, it must not have been "legitimate rape". Counting down to evaporation of GOP hopes in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1... Posted by: torquewrench at April 10, 2014 05:51 PM (noWW6)" You do realize he wasn't actually saying 'Rape a bitch. If you knock 'er up, she wanted it,' right?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 10, 2014 02:00 PM (9W+0f)

311 @310 - that's 'aisle', you sniffling putz. Would not object in the least to kicking Boehner and/or Cantor down a rung or two. Pour encourager les autres and all that.

Posted by: JEM at April 10, 2014 02:02 PM (o+SC1)

312 @312 - Shut up. Just shut up.

Posted by: Congressional Black Caucus at April 10, 2014 02:04 PM (o+SC1)

313 "306 Woman throws shoe at Hillary during speech in Vegas... ===== Against Bush - hilarious Against Hilly - HATE CRIME!!!!!! Posted by: --- at April 10, 2014 05:53 PM (MMC8r)" "When violence is exercised by the working people, by the mass of exploited against the exploiters -- then we are for it!" -- Lenin, 'Prince of Peace' Later, all. God bless. :-)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 10, 2014 02:06 PM (9W+0f)

314 I'm over here keeping my opinions to myself.

You all do realize that voting is a form of speech?

And since you demand I not speak . . .

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Waiting For SMODOT) at April 10, 2014 02:07 PM (JS0vr)

315 All of you are stooped because everybody in our town is happy for the new herthcare law that was passed by our black president to help persons of every color.

Posted by: Dorcus Blimeline at April 10, 2014 02:19 PM (iB0Q2)

316 "Liberal means choice to me" Yeah ok - a "choice" between what Progressives say is right and no choice at all. Have any of these idiots been paying attention? What "choice" was there when ObamaCare was passed strictly along Party Line M-A-J-O-R-I-T-Y vote? Liberalism truly is a mental disease.

Posted by: Pelosi Schmelosi at April 10, 2014 02:48 PM (jHf6U)

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