1 He's just a loon.

2 What a fruitcake. I don't get how so many people still insist that he's the solution to all our problems.

3

A solid gold loon.

4 A solid gold loon.

As opposed to a fiat loon?

5 Ron Paul. Pat Paulsen. Both are comic gold.

6 wow.. I feel dirty now. 

7 Paul's an ass but Stein isn't much better here. How does what Paul said have any anti-Semitic connotations?

8 What associations with racists are you talking about? Also, Ben Stein called him an anti-semite. So, you pretty much agree he's a racist and anti-semite but he is the one saying dumb things?

9 I think that Obama has found his new Director of Homeland Security.

10

What a fruitcake. I don't get how so many people still insist that he's the solution to all our problems.

Because all the world's problems are caused by those "international bankers".  You know who I mean- the New York money men (wink, wink).  They're conspiring to take over the world bagel market and to take over the world, but mostly to take over the world.

11 Paul's an ass but Stein isn't much better here. How does what Paul said have any anti-Semitic connotations? Because it's the same logic that the Palestinians' defenders use: if only the Jews would stop occupying the land they stole from the Palestinians, then they would stop the rocket attacks and suicide bombings. Especially when it's been demonstrated that giving up land for peace did nothing to sway the Paleswines from their real goal - the murder of every last Jew. I think Stein makes an apt comparison. Paul is essentially blaming us for provoking terrorist attacks and implying that if only WE could understand what WE are doing wrong to make them hate us, then we could somehow change our behavior and they won't want to kill us anymore. Ron Paul is a fucking idiot. He should be strapped to a rocket and fired into the sun.

12 Re the vid: at least we can all take solace that a clear thinker like Sheila Jackson Lee was there to sort things out.

13 I put the Paulers in the same camp as the Obots--Fucking idiots.

14 Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 30, 2009 09:59 AM (xGIqT)

Ok but that's not what Stein actually said.

He just tossed out 'anti-Semitic' and left out how it's connected to the actual subject at hand.

If he had made the case you did, fine but Stein tossed out a loaded charge sans any connection or context.

15

My nutbar sister -- whose husband seriously thinks his job is to buy land so he can take care of us all during the coming capital-T Tribulation -- thought Ron Paul made a lot of sense, and voted for him in the last election.

That's really all I need to know about him.

16

I do think Paul's kinda crazy, but ever crazy people make sense on some issues, this obviously not being one of them.

I agree with him on the down sizing of most government programs, and i do agree that we have far to many military bases in countries we don't really need to be in that cost us a fortune and give us nothing but problems. But he takes everything to the extreme.

17

My nutbar sister -- whose husband seriously thinks his job is to buy land so he can take care of us all during the coming capital-T Tribulation -- thought Ron Paul made a lot of sense, and voted for him in the last election.

That's really all I need to know about him.

 

You won't be complaining about your brother in law when the zombies come for your brains and bacon

18 Stein tossed out a loaded charge sans any connection or context.

Posted by: DrewM. at December 30, 2009 10:02 AM (AKRX5)

We're not operating in a vacuum here.  Paul has been making raging nutball antisemitic comments in his newsletters for years if not decades.

19 also, i dislike Ben Stein almost as much. Keep in mind he was a big economic player in the Nixon whitehouse.  So I take what he says with a grain of kosher salt.

20

If RP would get a foreign policy that was WAS he would make a good candidate.

 

21

I agree with him on the down sizing of most government programs

Posted by: Ben at December 30, 2009 10:05 AM (wuv1c)

I have seriously flirted with libertarianism a couple of times and on both occasions I backed off because of the blatant antisemitism and racism I found among the true believers.  That may have been just my experience but it did happen.  Twice.

22 Here comes the perpetual war drums!

23

You won't be complaining about your brother in law when the zombies come for your brains and bacon.

You've never had to sit across from him at a holiday dinner. Appropriately enough, it's like listening to Ben Stein call roll in class. I'll take my chances.

24 I like the cut of his jib on the gov't too big thing and his constitutiony-ness but thats about it..he's kinds like a creepy uncle, like Huckabee...somtin just an't right about em.  

25 <A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAt6Pf7jZjA">Lets see what our CIA says on the subject of Middle East terrorism</A>

26 No ULR here.   Okay lets try it this way.  Michael Schueler CIAs Bin Laden unit on why they are attacking us

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAt6Pf7jZjA

Ben Stein looks more like the Shuckin and Jivin twins, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson.   Disgraceful performance.

27 If anti Semites have any code words, one of them is 'international bankers'.
Posted by: polynikes at December 30, 2009 10:19 AM (m2CN7)

Wait, is 'international bankers' code for "NY money men" or is it the other way around?

I can't keep track of all the shit these cranks spew.

28 Michael Schueler CIAs Bin Laden unit on why they are attacking us
Posted by: William R at December 30, 2009 10:22 AM (z2iYf)

Let us never forget one important thing...Scheuer is an ass. The fact that a piece of shit like that ever rose to any level of responsibility in the CIA shows just how fucked we are.

29

Wow, you people toss the f-bomb around quite a bit.

I think it is a bit intellectually dishonest to call him an f*ing idiot becase you disagree with his foreign policy stance.

"conspiracy theories about "international bankers" (*wink*)" ... I am not sure what conspiracy theories are being mentioned, but they aren't conspiracies becuase they are happening in plain site of everyone.  We just need to learn a little about economics and it is simple to see what is happening.

The banking industry is playing a game that they believe they control (inflation of currency, etc), but the sad truth is they don't control it.  The market is self-correcting and when the economy implodes (and it will), everyone will offer up excuses as to what caused, but never will they blame themselves for having caused it.

If you think I am an f*ing idiot also, take a second to think about Enron. Those guys thought they could control the game too and look what happened $60 billion ... gone.

Governments are in bed with the banks and they are playing the exact same game just on a larger scale.  Our ecomony is a house of cards and the wind is really starting to blow.  We see cards falling already and yet we still laugh and snicker at people like Dr. Paul.  Who are we going to blame when the inevitable happens? Ken Lay is already dead, so I suppose you should start making a short list of possible suspects.

 

30 L. Ron Paul Hubbard.

31

he's kinds like a creepy uncle, like Huckabee...somtin just an't right about em

I would much rather have RP in office than Huck, even with his shitty foreign policy.

Huck has never put out a "foreign policy" that I have heard, therefore it is likely to be like his "crimminal policy"; full of "Christian forgiveness".

32

 One has to wonder, has Gabe ever taken a serious look at the "conspiratorial view" of history.  I mean a serious look.  Studied the history of the central banks, the govts. they've backed and the wars they've made more money than god by financing. 

I know, dumb question.

33 Paul is like the nutty uncle who comes out of the basement once in awhile spoutng off half-cocked conspiracy theories. There are elements of truth in some of it but when company comes over you try to make sure he stays in the basement watching Wheel Of Fortune re-runs so that he doesn't make a scene.

34 Somewhere, Charles Johnson is furiously masturbating.

35 He just tossed out 'anti-Semitic' and left out how it's connected to the actual subject at hand. If he had made the case you did, fine but Stein tossed out a loaded charge sans any connection or context. Put your ears on, Jerky: Paul: They're terrorists because we're occupiers! Stein: We're not occupiers. That's the same anti-Semitic argument that... Drew, I thought it was pretty clear. Paul was using the Palestinians' logic and Stein was calling him on it. Perhaps he would have expounded on the allegory if Dr. Fucktard Batshit McDogwhistle hadn't been constantly trying to drown him out. Have I mentioned, "Fuck Ron Paul"? Look it's pretty clear he's an anti-Semite. First, they came for the International Bankers, and I said nothing, because I wasn't and International Banker. Then, they came for the Greedy Tonsil-Stealing Jew Doctors, and I said nothing, because I wasn't a Greedy Tonsil-Stealing Jew Doctor. WHEN RON PAUL COMES FOR YOU DREW, AND HE WILL, THERE WILL BE NO ONE LEFT TO SPEAK FOR YOU.

36 What associations with racists are you talking about?

For one, his "newsletter" published numerous blatantly racist articles. He claims he never read it, never approved it, but the crap went out under his name.

37 Wow, you people toss the f-bomb around quite a bit. Hi, welcome to Ace of Spades HQ!

38 Somewhere, Charles Johnson is furiously masturbating.

Yes, but that could be said anywhere, anytime.

39

If anti Semites have any code words, one of them is 'international bankers'.

Posted by: polynikes at December 30, 2009 10:19 AM (m2CN7) -

So anyone who doesn't like having a privately owned central bank controlling our currency is automatically an anti-semite?

40 Lets examine the Ron Paul antisemitism charge that the disgraceful Ben Stein used. 

Ron Paul had a decades long friendship with Milton Friedman.  Wrote a book with Lewis Lehrman.  Went into business with Burt Blumert.  The great Henry Hazlitt wrote the introduction to one of his books and his old friend Murray Rothbard wrote the preface for the same book.   He has a picture of Ludwig von Mises hanging in his office.   

Now what do all these men Ron Paul has spent his career associating with have in common??   They're all Jews. 

Ben Stein puts the interest of a foreign country above his own.  He is the quintessential Israel Firster and he will smear anyone that puts the interest of the good ol USA first.

41 #30.  This Drew kid is a third rate punk.  He can't refute one damn.  What a loser.

42 Stein puts the interest of a foreign country above his own. He is the quintessential Israel Firster Dirty Jew and he will smear anyone that puts the interest of the good ol USA first. I see what you did there.

43

I have a serious question. If "International Bankers" is code word for jews, which it pretty much is, how is one to describe bankers who do business on an international level without seeming like an anti semite?

 

44

I think it is a bit intellectually dishonest to call him an f*ing idiot becase you disagree with his foreign policy stance.

True. I call him a fucking idiot because he is a fucking idiot and his followers are largely fucking idiots.

45 And here I thought y'all at AoSHQ were sensible people, not neocon powermongers. Neither side in this arguing match came off well. Yes, we're being attacked because we are not a Muslim nation. Neither are Austria, the Vatican, Canada, or Brazil...among others. So why are the jihadis going after us? Could it be because we believe that "protecting ourselves" means meddling in the affairs of every country in the world? If we had put half the money and effort that we put into Iraq/Afghanistan into defending our borders, do you think we would have been attacked on Christmas? I hope y'all aren't going the way of CJ or the Reasonoids. Because if you are, I'm outta here.

46 Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 30, 2009 10:30 AM (xGIqT)

Again, I get what you are saying but Stein didn't say it.

I also get a lot of people who don't like Ron Paul (myself included) filled in the blanks for Stein. The fact is however, the idiots who watch Larry King Live don't know as much about Ron Paul's history as most of us here do.

Stein wasn't talking to a select audience who know the back story, he was on a general appeal show and to not fill in the blanks as you did in your post is a cheap way to go and Stein shouldn't have left that much unsaid.

47
Ben Stein puts the interest of a foreign country above his own.  He is the quintessential Israel Firster and he will smear anyone that puts the interest of the good ol USA first.

Judenhass -- you're swimming in it!

48 Posted by: William R at December 30, 2009 10:35 AM (z2iYf)

Oh noes! A Paulbot called me a punk. A 3rd rate one at that!

How ever shall I sleep at night?

49 And here I thought y'all at AoSHQ were sensible people, not neocon powermongers.

Ah... "neocon" -- another code word for JOOOOOS!!!!

GFY, 'mkay?

50
Stein wasn't talking to a select audience who know the back story, he was on a general appeal show and to not fill in the blanks as you did in your post is a cheap way to go and Stein shouldn't have left that much unsaid.

Yeah, we should always avoid complex arguments when there are mouth-breathers in the audience.

51 #45 

Hilarious.   Did I call him a dirty Jew.   Nope.   But he does put the interest of Israel before the United States. 

52 Drew, I think we're just going to have to agree that you're wrong. I hope y'all aren't going the way of CJ or the Reasonoids. Because if you are, I'm outta here. True Conservatism - It's FAN-tastic!

53 NeoCons call themselves NeoCons.  The godfather of Neoconsim Irving Kristol wrote several books on the subject. 

54 Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 30, 2009 10:42 AM (xGIqT)

That's funny, I was just thinking something similar except it involved agreeing that you were wrong.

Close enough for the TSA, close enough for us.

55 But he does put the interest of Israel before the United States.

Prove it.

Oh, wait... you CAN'T!!! You're asserting he does, because he disagrees with your Lord and Savior Ron Paul that defending the only free nation and true ally we have in the Middle East is a good thing.

56 NeoCons call themselves NeoCons. The godfather of Neoconsim Irving Kristol, A Known Jew, wrote several books on the subject. Dude, seriously.

57 You're just trying to increase Ace's hit count by setting out Paulista bait aren't you?

58 Love you long time, Drew.

59

Paul is the reason I can never take any libertarian politicians (or libertarian voters) seriously.

A few good ideas, but batshit crazy an the life and death stuff.  And a surrender monkey to boot. 

60 Neo-conservatism: The Autobiography of an Idea
Irving Kristol

61 NeoCons call themselves NeoCons.

And Jew-haters use "neocon" as a code word for "Jew". Jeffrey Quick was clearly using "neocon" in that sense.

62 Oh, and Jeffy:

If we had put half the money and effort that we put into Iraq/Afghanistan into defending our borders, do you think we would have been attacked on Christmas?

Yes, we would have. You may want to read up on the facts before making such idiotic statements.

63 Neo-conservatism: The Autobiography of an Idea
Irving Kristol

Very nice -- you can find connect books and their authors!

Now try making a fucking point.

64

If you believe the Jews are behind it or control it , then yes.

Posted by: polynikes at December 30, 2009 10:36 AM (m2CN7) -

But you see, that's not how it works. I know many like to think that anyone doesn't like our current system is just an idiot or a "jew hater", that is not the case. Do a number of the "bankers" in question have jewish names? Indeed. But equating that with the state of Israel or all Jewish people would be as stupid as saying the bloods or the crips are the fault of all black people.

Or signing the Federal Reserve Act in the first place.

65 But he does put the interest of Israel before the United States.

'put the interest of Israel' = standing up for the right of a Middle East democracy to exist, rather than kissing the ass of a terroristic, tribal society of hate, misogyny, and religious totalitarianism to avoid conflict with them for the moment (aka, 'the interest of...the United States')

66

I don't think Michael Schueler is totally wrong. While i am  staunch supporter of israel, and would not care if they invaded continental europe, you can't say that our polcies in the middle east have nothing to do with why certain groups hate us. You simply can't. I think the issue is what conclusions you draw from it. Some say we our foreign policy causes terrorism and if we changed it then it would go away, which i think we can all agree is assinine. I think that while our foreign policy in the middle east is responsible for some hatred of america in the middle east, my response is, "so what?".  Just because some people don't like our policies doesn't mean we should change them to accomadate them. This is where Schuler and i agree. We should kill as many of them as fast as we possibly can. He simply states that if we don't want to change our foreign policy to accomadate these people(which he doesn't suggest we do), then we need to be prepared to kill a lot of people.  I know a lot of people don't like to here that, but i think it is a fair assessment.

If you don't like Schuler, don't disparage his record, if it were up to him Osama would have been dead by now. He on several occasions, along with the CIA, presented Bin Ladin on a silver platter to Clinton only to be turned down.

67 The point is NeoCon is not a code word.  Neocons coined the phrase.

Now grow up kid. 

ACE has been throwing around the antisemitism charge for years.  He can't back anyone of it up.   But his chicken shit blog still throws it out there.  From the  little weasel AllahPundit at Hot Air over to here.  

68

Neither side in this arguing match came off well.

If only the voice of reason, Sheila Jackson Lee, had spoken in the video. A little lib-duh-perspective was called for.

69

NeoCons call themselves NeoCons.

And Jew-haters use "neocon" as a code word for "Jew". Jeffrey Quick was clearly using "neocon" in that sense.

neocon is the second most misused political term behind facist.

70

But you see, that's not how it works. I know many like to think that anyone doesn't like our current system is just an idiot or a "jew hater", that is not the case. Do a number of the "bankers" in question have jewish names? Indeed. But equating that with the state of Israel or all Jewish people would be as stupid as saying the bloods or the crips are the fault of all black people.

teej... I mean this honestly -- did you fucking bother to read the statement you were responding to? It was:

If you believe the Jews are behind it or control it , then yes.

Now, do you believe Jews are behind or control the central banks? If no, then YOU WEREN'T THE ONE BEING SPOKEN ABOUT.

71 #69

A country that murdered 34 of our sailors in 1967?   Handed over some of our biggest secrets to the Soviets.  Sold our technology to the Chinese.  Or according to Brit Hume and Carl Cameron of Fox News knew about the 9/11 attacks and didn't tell us.

72 Being batshit crazy is a requirement for a third-party candidate (Paul, Nader, Perot...)

To vote for them just requires stubborn stupidity.

73

You have to realize where Paul is coming from:  Rothbardian Anarcho-Capitalist Paleo-Libertarian Nuts.  Many of which are Anti-Semites, are Idiots of the highest order and members of the John Birch Society.

To give you an idea of how crazy this group is, spend sometime at Lew Rockwell's blog.  He has hosted Murray Rothbards articles from over the years, one of them is titled:

"Ronald Reagan, Warmonger"

 

There is a reason Paul left Reagan's GOP to join the LP in 1988 and he ran on Conspiracy theories, mostly about the CIA and Drug Dealing.  He of course wants to abolish the CIA, FBI and dismantle the "Military Industiral Complex".  He has even said this is more important than stopping Obamacare and he tells his allies on the Far-Left we could afford Healthcare if not for all we spend 'mainting our empire and military industrial complex'

 

The guy needs to be blackballed just like WFB and Goldwater Blackballed the Birchers out of NRO and the Conservative Movement in the 1970's

74 The point is NeoCon is not a code word.  Neocons coined the phrase.

Way to miss the fucking point! For the last few years, Jew-haters have extended the word to mean "Jew". Jeffy Quick was using it in that sense, as I was pointing out.

Now why the hell are you so sensitive about something that was never addressed to you?

ACE has been throwing around the antisemitism charge for years.  He can't back anyone of it up.   But his chicken shit blog still throws it out there.  From the  little weasel AllahPundit at Hot Air over to here. 

WTF are you talking about? Can't back it up? Of course he can -- that you refuse to acknowledge the evidence is your problem.

75

If we had put half the money and effort that we put into Iraq/Afghanistan into defending our borders, do you think we would have been attacked on Christmas?

I hope y'all aren't going the way of CJ or the Reasonoids. Because if you are, I'm outta here.

Yeah, I can't remember a single terrorist attack before we invaded Iraq and Afghanistan, either.  But then I do drink a lot.

I hear the Birchers are taking new applicants.  No need to say goodbye.

 

76

#69

A country that murdered 34 of our sailors in 1967?   Handed over some of our biggest secrets to the Soviets.  Sold our technology to the Chinese.  Or according to Brit Hume and Carl Cameron of Fox News knew about the 9/11 attacks and didn't tell us.

In 1967 they straffed a boat that was getting too close to them in a war for their life, i believe they made restitution. We've done it to other nations before. The largest percentage of Israelis are Russian Jews, so obviously some of them have loyalty to russia over the US, hell US citizens passed our biggest secrets to the Soviets(the nuclear bomb?), a nation cannot be totally responsible for all of its citizens all the time.  As for the chinese i am not sure about that.

Now at the last part you lose me and the mask seems to slip about your real agenda. First i have never heard brit or carl say that. Second if they did they are not the arbitors of facts. Third this is a pretty major charge that belongs on the message boards of Alex Jones, Democratic Underground, Daily Kos or Stormfront, not AoSHQ.

77 I think Ron Paul and Ben Stein should start a gameshow: Stump the Jew. Sheila Jackson Lee could be the attractive spinner of the wheel.

78

Paul cites in his book, Robert Pape's work on "Suicide Terrorism" to explain "Why they attack us".  Pape is a Univ. of Chicago Leftist Professor, Paul repeats his non-sense wholesale to explain "Why they attack us".  Fits his goal of Dismantling the Military and withdrawing from the world.

He seems to think, like Rothbard, that the USA is the Evil actor in the world.  That if we apologize and dismantle the "Military Empire" that the rest of the world will become rapid Free Traders, Purple Unicorns will fly and we will all fart fairy dust.

Nevermind that Islam's goal is Global Sharia Law and a Global Caliphate, to be brought about by Jihad.  Nevermind that with trade, one countries Business Law must be used:  Western Common Law or Sharia Finance in this case.

 

anyway, Robert Spencer has alot on Robert Pape and how he's been debunked multiple times for his idiocy and ignoring the Tenets of Islam

 

79 75

Ding! Ah... that's why you're so sensitive. I get it now. You're an Israeli-hater.

Which is totally different than being a Jew-hater.

Really.

Uh-huh.

80

teej... I mean this honestly -- did you fucking bother to read the statement you were responding to? It was:

Maybe one of these days, this jerk will come down off his intellectualy, self-important high horse and be worth responding to.

I'd be willing to bet that damn near everyone else was able to figure out that I was referring to people (possibly even him) who toss around labels like anti-semite and jew hater based on so little data.

 

81

(in bestMatt Damon voice) Ron Paul!

I'm not an anti-semite, I'm an anti-Zionist!

(Anyone else remember what troll around here used to say that all the time?)

82

Now, I'm not an old pro like Larry King, but I'm pretty sure that mics can be cut off.

83 Thomas Jefferson to John Taylor, May 28, 1816
And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale.

84

Support Tim Graney for Congress, he's an actual Conservative non-nutjob running against Paul.  Ran some Tea Parties around country this past year.

Ron Paul is a lying piece of scum, his goal is to destroy the GOP and will lie about history, Jihad, the founders and the Original Intent of the Constitution to do so.

btw, the "Neo-Con" term was used by the Left against Jews like Kristol in an attempt to bully them back to the left in the 70's.  Kristol took on the term and said it simply meant they were former Liberals "Mugged by Reality"

It really doesn't have a thing to do with anything other than that, but its being used by these cranks to smear Reagan Conservatives.  The Reaga, GOP foreign Policy goes back to the Founders view themselves.  Somethingelse this cranks tell half-truths and lies about.

85

Boys, boys! Can't we all just get along?

 

86 Ace, have you banned me??

87

I'd be willing to bet that damn near everyone else was able to figure out that I was referring to people (possibly even him) who toss around labels like anti-semite and jew hater based on so little data.

"So little data". Uh-huh. You do realize there's more data in the world than what's immediately at hand, don't you? Some of us have been arguing this shit for close to twenty years, and it's vanishingly rare to hear someone rant about "international bankers" who isn't a raging antisemite.

So, if you don't think Jews are in control of central banks, or are behind the idea of central banks, then you aren't the one being referred to. You are, however, the exception and not the rule.

88 Read Ronald Reagan's memoirs.   He says the United States policy in the Middle East should be neutrality.   If you don't believe me just google  "ReaganÂ’s wisdom on the Middle East: Leave"

89

My real question about Paul is this:

1) Does he have this much hate in him, to lead to such idiotic, whacked out views?

or

2) Is he and his leftist allies simply working together to destroy the GOP, he trying to do it from within to the ultimate aide of the Socialist. Domestically and Internationally, and for the anti-semitic friends to aide the Palestinians and Iranians in destroying Israel.

 

I'd bet money, that no matter which option it is, some Far-Left Soros Funding is getting thrown into their coffers.

Useful Idiots

 

 

90 Ace, have you banned me??

Should he?

Don't tell me -- you posted a flurry of links to prove the criminality of the Jewish, er, Israeli state, and the post was rejected. It was because there was more link text than original text.

91 96#  No I posted a link to Reagan's views on the Middle East from the very respected conservative Orange County Register.   Even made it into a tiny URL and it still got rejected. 

92 If you don't believe me just google  "ReaganÂ’s wisdom on the Middle East: Leave"

Which leads to a bunch of links to Ron Paul supporters. The fourth one is you spouting the same shit on another site. Circular citation much?

(Yeah, let's be "neutral" between people who think emptying an automatic rifle into a baby seat is a heroic act, and the people targeted by them.)

93

William R

Reagain was writing in a Cold War context, numbnuts. 

It would be like Bush writing a memoir today calling for Neutrality in Tibet or Tawain.

Priorities

 

btw, Ron Paul hates Ronald Reagan, called him a traitor.  his idol, Murray Rothbard wanted him impeached for being a "Warmonger"

94

I'd bet money, that no matter which option it is, some Far-Left Soros Funding is getting thrown into their coffers.

That's the spirit! You can be on the new gameshow.

95

btw, Ron Paul hates Ronald Reagan, called him a traitor.  his idol, Murray Rothbard wanted him impeached for being a "Warmonger"

*snort*

Let's just say it: Ron Paul is a fucking lunatic. His followers are lunatics. They have as much a place in modern politics as the LaRouchites.

96 The Orange County Register is a Ron Paul site??

After 240 Marines were killed Reagan wrote " those men would be alive today if our policy had been neutrality. "

97 Lunatic.

98 Ron Paul hated Ronald Reagan.  Gawd, you kids are dumbasses.   FYI Ron Paul was one of four Republican Congressmen to endorse Ronald Reagan in 1976.  Reagan flew to Texas to campaign for him several times.   Reagan created the 1981 Gold Commission and Ron Paul was its leading member. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyXW1hb-JQg

99

Dude, Ronald Reagan was far from neutral in the Middle East! Do you not remember his siding with Iraq in the Iran-Iraq War? Or his decision to bomb the hell out of Tripoli in an effort to kill Quadafi? Or his unwavering support to Israel? That's not neutrality in any way, shape, form, or fashion. Reagan adopted the policies that he thought served the best interests of the United States, and that is something that I don't believe the current administration is doing; they seem to be making decisions in the best interests of their administration.

You are full of...hooey!
What the man wrote was: " If that policy had changed towards more of a neutral position and neutrality, those 241 marines would be alive today."
Write that on your hand..."more of a nuetral position."
Question, what would Reagan's position have been if the Soviet Union killed 3,000 innocent Americans on American soil? Hmmmmm?

Mr. Reagan was graciously accepting blame for the Marines commander's failure to be paranoid enough...in that jungle.

All the wrong conclusions were drawn there. Those Marines would not have died in vain if it had prevented 9-11.
I really hate it when armchair quarterbacks mumble "neocon" neocon" 25 years later.

100

I look at libertarian economics and salivate.  I look at their constitutional emphasis and salivate.  I look at their policies on drugs and sex, and shrug.  I look at all their angst over drugs and sex, and wince.  I look at their foreign policy and recoil in horror.  If only there were some way of grafting the economics and associated constitutional limits on government onto a realistic foreign policy, and dropping all the passion and frothing over sex and drugs to a more reasonable level (say, below the level of passion for economics and constitutional restrictions on government).  I'd bang a lightning bolt into that unholy monstrosity and wave happily as it lumbered off towards the village.

101

crap. so it's bash the jews hour.

well jeffrey , what say you about indonesia, spain, beslan , london attacks a very short list, so many more but all have jews or america in common?

and btw , your hate IS showing.

102

Ron Paul denounced Reagan and Bush 41, left the GOP officially in 1988 and joined the LP to run on CIA/Bush family Drug Cartel Conspiracies in his effort to Legalize all drugs

He called reagan in the late 80's a "Traitor the cause" and routinely condemned his Foreign Policy throughout.

Quit lying about Ronald Reagan and his Foreign Policy you freaking Scumbag!

103 Hi, welcome to the fucking Ace of Fucking Spades HQ!

FTFY

104 #105

The Reagan adm had excellent relations with the Iraqi regime. He also sold weapons to the Iranians.  

"

"Perhaps we didnÂ’t appreciate fully enough the depth of the hatred and the complexity of the problems that made the Middle East such a jungle. Perhaps the idea of a suicide car bomber committing mass murder to gain instant entry to Paradise was so foreign to our own values and consciousness that it did not create in us the concern for the marinesÂ’ safety that it should have.

In the weeks immediately after the bombing, I believe the last thing that we should do was turn tail and leave. Yet the irrationality of Middle Eastern politics forced us to rethink our policy there. If there would be some rethinking of policy before our men die, we would be a lot better off. If that policy had changed towards more of a neutral position and neutrality, those 241 marines would be alive today."

105 Wow, it's just like the 08 primary season in here.

Good times, good times.

106

42 Lets examine the Ron Paul antisemitism charge that the disgraceful Ben Stein used. 

Your intro leaves me uncertain as to where your examination will lead.

107 Ronald Reagan, Warmonger

by Murray N. Rothbard

This article first appeared in the Libertarian Forum, Vol. XVII, Nos. 7–8, July–August, 1983.

google that one, Ron Pauls #1 Intellectual idol held high on his office wall.  This is what the Paultards of the 80's thought of Ronald Reagan.

 

They hated him and his Foreign Policy, his support of Israel, his bombing of Lybia and wanted him Impeached .

108

crap. so it's bash the jews hour.

I say we have a bash the Welsh, English, and Irish hour. I want in on defending my ancestors.

109

Just think how much better off we'd be had we followed a Paulian foreign policy.

A lot more Europeans would be speaking German.  Except the Jews, because they'd be dead.

Whatever wasn't gobbled up by the Nazis, the USSR would've absorbed.  And that pesky breakup of the USSR wouldn't have had to happen.  Keeping track of all those new countries is hard.

South Korea?  I'm sure that they'd be cool with Kim Jong Ill as Dear Leader.

Central America?  I'm sure Castro would give them all free health care.

Instead of buying oil from the Saudis and Kuwait, we'd be buying from Saddam... who'd be ruling Saudi Arabia and Kuwait.  With only a little ethnic cleansing and a handful of rape rooms.

And don't worry about Israel and all the technological innovations that have come from that country.  We could do without, and the Palestinians would only throw most of the Jews into the sea.

110 111 Wow, it's just like the 08 primary season in here.

Good times, good times.

Posted by: DrewM. at December 30, 2009 11:30 AM (AKRX5) -

It's even better when people can discuss, or even argue, without the name calling or thinking they make their argument stronger by dropping f-bombs all over the place.

111

I say we have a bash the Welsh, English, and Irish hour. I want in on defending my ancestors.

What, no hate for the Scots?  What's a guy gotta do to get some hate around here?  I mean, I'm wearin' a freakin' skirt, here!  Hello?!  Guy in a skirt! 

112

Ron Paul told the LA Times after leaving the GOP in 1987

Paul (May 10, 198 : The American people have never reached this point of disgust with politicians before. I want to totally disassociate myself from the Reagan Administration. 

 

 

113

Hollowpoint at December 30, 2009 11:34 AM (rf03a)

and we wouldn't have the Technology like the Internet, nor the Freedom if we did, to discuss it.  Since Jewish and Western Anglo-Saxon culture, both of which have provided the world with all the fruits it enjoys, would've been obliterated.

114

thank you Hollowpoint for that summation

  i feel enraged to the point of incoherancy at this topic.  and i , o hell anyway thanks

115 Hey Robby Crawford. Actually, I WASN'T using "neocon" as code for "Jew". It never crossed my mind...because I really don't much think about Jews one way or 'tother. As for your non-refutation@66...We're agreed that what happened was DHS fail, yes? If DHS and the rest of the alphabet soup dedicated to keeping jihadis out of the country had more resources, could this have been prevented? Quite possibly. Now, there might have been other negatives to giving them more resources, but that's a separate question. Personally, if the purpose of the military is to protect the country, I'd rather see its resources used to, uh, protect the country, as opposed to propping up friendly regimes in Kabul. @80:"I can't remember a single terrorist attack before we invaded Iraq and Afghanistan, either. " Red herring. And one that shows poor reading comprehension, at that.

116

Hey, teej:

Fuck you.

117 Am not an ati-semite!  Am not!  Am not!

118 Personally, if the purpose of the military is to protect the country, I'd rather see its resources used to, uh, protect the country, as opposed to propping up friendly regimes in Kabul.

Remember what happened the last time we let just anybody run Afghanistan? The Pakistanis used it as a germ lab to grow all the jihadis they'd ever need to use against India -- and, unfortunately, grew a bunch that attacked us.

We can't attack Pakistan (that little nuclear thing), so we keep them from repeating their past performance.

119 Paul was also praised by Beck, was associated w/ 9/11 truthers, has anti-MLK JR articles from the past written by him, and voted against condemning Iran's actions w/ protesters

120

Posted by: YRMVol01 at December 30, 2009 11:50 AM (xNw7B)

oops that's me i posted as my YouTube handle

121 Minor point about Paul and Beck.  In the interviews that I've heard, Beck specifically had Paul on for economics, and made a point to say he was *only* on for his economic views.  He's said on numerous occassions that he would never vote for Paul, because of all the crazy in his other views. 

122 Cautiously Pessimistic said it better than I could.

This whole thread reminds me of a Jonah Goldberg quote. I don't remember it exactly, but he said something along the lines of "Libertarianism is not for children."

123 There is middle ground here.

The Federal Reserve is not the result of a conspiracy of Reptilians, Jews, Build-a-Burgers, the Trilateral Commission, Masons, or the Punxsutawney Elks Lodge.

That doesn't mean it isn't a shady enterprise with far too much power and far too little oversight.  It's not owned by the government, but it was created by an act of Congress, and it has the power to set monetary policy for the entire nation.  Fanny and Freddy are a good example of why this type of shit is never a good idea.

The problems are simply the natural result of what happens when unaccountable Ivy-League trust-fund brats are given undue power and influence within any organization.

The problem with Ron Paul is that he takes shit too far and doesn't know when to apply Occam's Razor.  Any problem with the Fed is an international Jew-conspiracy according to him.  But in reality, it's the result of the corrupting nature of power.

Same thing on foreign policy.  A good argument can be made that our forces are stretched too thin, or that invading Iraq was a mistake, or that we'd be a lot safer if we focused on securing our borders.  But that has nothing to do with why we've been attacked, and changing those policies wouldn't stop them from trying to kill us. 

I am not talking about some U.S.-led “democracy crusade.” We cannot impose our values on other counties. Nor should we seek to. But the ideas of freedom, liberty and respect for human rights are not U.S. ideas, they are much more than that. - Sarah Palin, 9-3-2009

124 Um, hello? Anglo-Saxons joined Jews in voting for Obumass big time. Can't we get a little equal-opportunity hate going on here? Or, like, maybe get our priorities straight and bash the fucker in the WH instead?

125 What, no hate for the Scots?  What's a guy gotta do to get some hate around here?  I mean, I'm wearin' a freakin' skirt, here!  Hello?!  Guy in a skirt!

Yeah, but what are you wearing underneath that skirt, you filthy haggis-jockey?

126

At least the Israelis will fight for their nation, unlike our 52% who wouldn't get out of bed to do so.

There's a lot of poison in this thread. Motherfuckers.

127 @125: Weren't the Pakis sending jihadis against India after we'd been in A-stan for a number of years? So how's that working for us? @126: IT's a crime to have anything bad to say about MLK? And as for congressional resolutions, it's not the job of Congress....they should either declare war on Iran (or, better, not) or STFU. In any case, the vote doesn't imply approval of the Iranians.

128 Remembering Ronald Reagan


http://www.house.gov/paul/press/press2004/pr061004.htm

129 I was at a recent fundraiser for Pat Toomey held in NYC and met a woman who reminded me of Ron Paul. 

She is a former Ambassador, quite wealthy who told Mr Toomey that he should NOT support the surge in Afghanistan because Bush was only interested in establishing a base and that all her friends voted for Obama so Toomey better be careful.

Just a guess,  this wealthy NE-like Mike'Democrat/Republican' Bloomberg hates Conservative Reagan, 'neo-cons', Sarah Palin, Marco Rubio as much a Ron Paul and his Libertarian gang of thugs.

This war will continue in the same spinning circus we saw since 9/11/2001 because the entire NE quadrant is run by the same schizophrenic madness we see coming out of  Hollywood  Schwarzennegger living in Sewerville.

 

130

Posted by: Jeffrey Quick at December 30, 2009 12:04 PM (g9neE)

ok, so the Ron Paul loons come out

131

Texasjew.

crazy isn't it. they are attacked from their inception, but not allowed to defend itself without being maligned

132 #136

Reagan would have never occupied two Muslim nations. 

"The defense policy of the United States is based on a simple premise: The United States does not start fights. We will never be an aggressor. Ronald Reagan"

133 Ben Stein Still Saying Dumb Things: "Stein served as a frequent financial advisor on CNBC in 2007, where he doled out terrible predictions in a debate with Euro-Pacific Capital President Peter Schiff. Faced with dire warnings about the coming housing market crash from Schiff, Stein predicted a healthy housing market. “Sub-prime is tiny. Sub-prime is a tiny, tiny blip,” Stein stressed, adding: The financials, as I keep saying, are just super-bargains. I predict that, like, Merrill Lynch which is an astonishingly well-run company. Did you know that a couple of days ago it was trading at barely more than seven times earnings? Financials typically trade at a low P-E [price to earnings ratio], but this is a joke. This stock, they might as well be giving it away in cereal boxes and giving it away, that's how cheap it is. Ben Stein made that investment advice when Merrill Lynch was selling at $76.04 per share. That value quickly sunk to $21 per share and the firm only avoided bankruptcy after a 2008 Bank of America merger that nearly bankrupted the banking giant (Bank of America is the largest bank in the United States). Stein also predicted the stock market would continue to climb during the August 2007 CNBC show. “I think stocks will be a heck of a lot higher a year from now than they are now,” "

134 132 What, no hate for the Scots?  What's a guy gotta do to get some hate around here?  I mean, I'm wearin' a freakin' skirt, here!  Hello?!  Guy in a skirt!

Yeah, but what are you wearing underneath that skirt, you filthy haggis-jockey?

Posted by: OregonMuse at December 30, 2009 12:02 PM (89RxY)

Whatever I feel like wearing, yeh ken?

135 I was not surprised at all to learn that a Paulian friend of a friend doesn't believe the holocaust happened.

I'm sure it's just a coincidence.

136 I find it funny the ridiculous stuff that is said just becuase Paul is against the war. His intellect with economic matters dwarfs any other person in the Republican Party. So he's against war, big deal. I'm sure he's not against airport security. He's also for tough security measures on OUR border. After some of the ridiculous made up stuff being said here I thought I was at the Daily Kos for a second.

137

Reagan would have never occupied two Muslim nations. 

No, just one.

He didn't have a problem with bombing the shit out of Libya, either.

Don't even try to compare Reagan to moronic nutjobs like Ron Paul.

138

I find it funny the ridiculous stuff that is said just becuase Paul is against the war. His intellect with economic matters dwarfs any other person in the Republican Party.

The only time Paul is the smartest man in the room on any subject is when he's in the dressing room trying on a new tinfoil hat.

139 After some of the ridiculous made up stuff being said here I thought I was at the Daily Kos for a second.

Posted by: Bonesaw at December 30, 2009 12:35 PM (ZgcbL)

It takes a complete idiot to write something that stupid.  My computer got dumber cutting and pasting it.

140 #144

He didn't bomb the shit out of Libya.  After there was enough evidence that Libyan intelligence had a role in a nightclub bomb in Germany where United States soldiers frequented, Reagan launched a surgical strike against targets inside Libya. Short and sweet.

141 Captain Hate, it never fails. Every time there's a post about Ron Paul, the paul-tards suddenly come crawling out from under their rocks to defend their loon messiah and fling teh stoopid all over the place. It's like coming home snd discovering that your 3 year olds have gotten into the crayon and colored marker drawer.

142 Former Israeli Minister Exposes Trick of Crying Anti-Semetism --We Always Do it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWnUbvODyyI

143 #148

Your debating skills are overwhelming.

144 OregonMuse, I think one of the many things that escapes the Ronulons is that their arrogance about how they and Doktor Genius are the only ones that understand the Constitution and, well, everything else associated with the country does nothing to convince anybody with a measure of self-esteem and cognitive ability to listen to anything further.

145 Where did I ever say anything about international banking??  I'm a retired international banker.   Former executive VP in charge of Europe.  Made lots of money and retired on my 54th birthday last year.   Now I'm an analyst for a smaller firm that gives me the freedom to work out of my home!

146 @152 That's a good critique. Only the SCOTUS understands the COTUS. At least that's the only understanding that counts. George Bush was right about the Constitution. If we could only teach the "goddam piece of paper" how to shoot and defend itself, maybe we'd get somewhere.

147 Your debating skills are overwhelming.

Oh, I never debate religious cultists. I just mock them.

148 RON PAUL!!!! RON PAUL!!!! RON PAUL!!!!!

I've got nothing else.

149 I knew a bunch of the Kentucky Paul-bots around Fort Campbell. Lots of active duty military and veterans. Biggest draw that Paul had for them was he was the only one left in the GOP primary race besides McCain, and at that point everyone knew what a worthless squish campaign McCain was running.

Sure, libertarianism is full of crazies. It's where anti-government Hitler worshippers end up because they consider Nazism to be a big government philosophy. You've got kiddie-porn junkies, potheads, and every other sort of crank. But it's also enough shit to perhaps fertilize a rebirth of small-government conservatism. No one else except Obama got out the youth movement and hardcore believers like Paul except for Obama-lama-ding-dong.

150 "Sure, libertarianism is full of crazies. It's where anti-government Hitler worshippers end up because they consider Nazism to be a big government philosophy." WTF? I mean, do you know anyone who DOESN'T think that Nazism is a big government philosophy? And if you do, do they live on the same planet as "anti-government Hitler worshippers"? Who would they be? Folks who think that the Final Solution should have been privatized?

151

Neither side in this arguing match came off well. Yes, we're being attacked because we are not a Muslim nation. Neither are Austria, the Vatican, Canada, or Brazil...among others. So why are the jihadis going after us? Could it be because we believe that "protecting ourselves" means meddling in the affairs of every country in the world?

By your rationale, if we appeased too, we would be fine. "Peace in our time" and all that.

To sum up:

Why Ron Paul is Cool:

--Sound Monetary and Fiscal Policy at Home

Why Ron Paul is Whacked:

--Appeasement and Surrender Abroad

That rests the case for, and against, Ron Paul.

152 "So, you pretty much agree he's a racist and anti-semite but he is the one saying dumb things?"

Yes.

153 Jews are not behind some international banking conspiracy.  But I fully support auditing the Fed Reserve and ending legal tender laws so gold and silver can freely circulate in the economy and ending the government monopoly in money.   

Like Friedrich A Hayek and Ron Paul

http://mises.org/story/3204

A Free-Market Monetary System

154

"Why Ron Paul is Cool:

--Sound Monetary and Fiscal Policy at Home"

There is nothing sound about Ron Paul, certainly not his monetary and fiscal policy. His ideas about re-instating the gold standard are ridiculous and so is his idea of having Congress decide monetary policy instead of the Fed. At the moment Nancy Peloci would have the job ..... if that is not enough to scare you I don't know what is.

155 People need to understand Ron Paul (or Rand Paul, for that matter) is not a conservative, he is not a Republican,  he is not for small government, and he does not believe in Democracy.

The Pauls believe in a closed, isolationist, autocratic form of government run by guess what, Paultards.

156 164#

It is obvious Jason doesn't have the foggiest idea of what he's talking about. 

Ron Paul has said over and over till his face is blue that the Market should decide what currency people use.  He has never advocated a government controlled gold standard.  If people want to use silver, gold, platinum or whatever it should be left up to the market.  

157 "If people want to use silver, gold, platinum or whatever it should be left up to the market. "

Hmm...brilliant....and nice of him too....

158 Kid, I knew it'd go right over your head. 

159

160 "Kid, I knew it'd go right over your head."

Hey, asshole, I have forgotten more economics than you will ever learn.  And believe me, if you are learning economics with Ron Paul you won't learn much.

Of course his insane and kooky economic theories are only part of the equation. There is real danger in his foreign policy ideas that are anti-war on terror, anti-Patriot Act, anti-Guantanamo combined with his truther beliefs  and this latest idiocy that the Nigerian terrorist attacked us because "we occupied them".

Ron Paul is a nutcase.

161 #170

The United States dollar from 1787 to 1913 increased in value 15 percent.  From 1913 to Dec 30, 2009 the dollar has lost 95 percent of its value. 

162 Yeah, but what are you wearing underneath that skirt, you filthy haggis-jockey?

Your mother's lipstick.

163

What's so insane and kooky with his economic theories? Let me guess, allowing a Federal Reserve Bank to decide interest rates is teh awesome and never creates bubbles and busts. Also, rising prices every year is great and inflation doesn't matter and falling prices are bad for an economy.And 8 years of tax cuts without spending cuts was also economically sound. I guess arguing against any of that would make me insane and kooky.

164

#170

The Federal Reserves action from 1921 - 1929 led to the huge bubble that popped in the form of the Great Depression. It acted almost in similar nature from 2001-2008 that led to the current crises with easy money and low interest rates that created the housing bubble.

165 Just out of curiosity, has Ron Paul ever found an anti-American government he doesn't like?  When the U.S. government spends $20 million on a bridge it's a slap in the face of freedom!!! but when Iran's government murders young women, it's a cultural thing, y'know, and we shouldn't judge.

166

Wow, relative to other currencies the dollar is still on top. Who cares? Other countries use central banking as well so there currencies suck as well. If the dollar  hadn't lost 95% of it's value our quality of life would be extremely better and we could buy even more big screen tv's and trucks which generally speaking we all like. 

167 "Just out of curiosity, has Ron Paul ever found an anti-American government he doesn't like?"

Not yet, but hope springs eternal. It makes you wonder how a guy who claims to be a conservative has the same talking points as Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro and the mullahs in Iran....

168 "Let me guess, allowing a Federal Reserve Bank to decide interest rates is teh awesome and never creates bubbles and busts"

Right, letting Nancy Pelosi and Barney Frank decide will avoid any bubbles and busts.

169 "If the dollar  hadn't lost 95% of it's value our quality of life would be extremely better and we could buy even more big screen tv's and trucks which generally speaking we all like. "

I think Bonesaw was the only one ever to fail Sandbox Economics 0001.

This 95% stuff is meaningless. Relative to what if not to other currencies? And please don't say gold. If I had $1000 dollars in 1890 I could buy a lot more beer than I could now. Is this supposed to be a brilliant revelation? People worked for a dollar a day then.

170 Ron Paul is a whack job true but a lot of the things he says are spot on.

171 The congress of pelosi and frank wouldn't decide interest rates you stupid retard,the free market would which I thought Republicans were all for.

172 Geez, i'm a libertarian and even I fucking hate libertarians. Sure our foreign policy may have contributed to some problems but who the fuck cares now. We could pull every goddamm soldier out of every shithole corner of the world and the muslim nutjobs would sill be shoving bombs up their asses. They hate the west. France, India, Denmark, Argentina, Canada, Phillipenes (sp?), Thailand Indo-fucking-Nesia, Sweden, Netherlands, and at least 50 other countries, none of whom supported the Iraq war or Israel, ALL have problems with radical islam. Pretending that helping the dirty joos is the only reason we get hit is assinine. If it was as easy as pull out our troops and magically muslims will stop blowing up I'd be all for it, but to think that its that simple is fucking naive and stupid. Or do the "international bankers" hide that from us true aryan americans like they did 9/11 (which israel of course orchastrated, since they did take that one ship one time in the 60s. Also look out for those shifty eyed Brits they once burned our capital city to the ground!)

/rant

173 "his associations with racists"

That's simply a smear. Ron Paul does not "associate" with racists. A handful of internet "white nationalists" donated to his campaign.

Ron Paul also received a huge number of donations from US military personnel. Does that mean that he was automatically the "pro-military" or "pro-war" candidate?

174 Source:

http://tinyurl.com/ynrtex

175 People need to understand Ron Paul (or Rand Paul, for that matter) is not a conservative [he is conservative on everything except foreign policy], he is not a Republican [they both are...seriously, Google it!], he is not for small government [lulz...], and he does not believe in Democracy [good; we aren't a "democracy!"].

176 Just so we are perfectly clear here:

1) Abraham Lincoln was a tyrant.
2) "No foreign entanglements" means exactly what is says.  Never, ever, go overseas.  Not even to kill people before they can come here to kill us.
3) Let's all agree to be niggardly with the purse strings.
4) Yes, it's a real word.
5) We believe the Constitution is the law of the land.  Just don't make us stop smokin' that shit to go defend it.
6) That was some reealy good shit.
7) L. Ron Paul is like Obama, with none of that Zionist baggage.
7) Did I already do 7?

177 If the dollar  hadn't lost 95% of it's value our quality of life would be extremely better

So is your plan to build a time machine, go back in time, and stop that from occurring?  Go ahead.

But if your plan is for the Government already in debt to try to find a way to buy enough tangible assets (like gold) to back all of our existing currency... um, we're already in debt.  If you print more money to run up more debt to buy assets to backstop the currency, now you have more currency so you have to get more assets so you print more... holy crap its a perpetual motion machine.  Hook this plan up to a turbine and at least you'll get electricity while killing the economy.

But I do agree that our economy, relying on Global trade would do much better if we pulled all our troops out of everywhere, closed all our bases  and let half a dozen or more wars go off, and watched the middle east nuclear explosion end their oil exports for whatever half-life ends up being necessary.

Wait, did I say better?  I mean, make the great depression just look great by comparison.  I get those confused.

178

Gekkobear,

So, your argument is that the Government is already in debt so going back to the gold standard( which I or even Ron Paul don't argue for) would destroy us. I agree. Our currency is worthless and if we measured it against a precious commodity it would be worthless. So your basically saying that our fiat currency is based of nothing of value but all the other countries created fiat currency and their currency is worth nothing of value either so we can't let anyone know. Let's keep this charade going for as long as we can and anyone who actually wants a currency that is worth some value is a hater. All the smart people know that our currency and our economy is worth nothing but if we actually took steps to let the ordinary person know it would be bad. Let's keep the mirage going becuase all the other countries are doing the same. Sorry, but I'm a realist and I'm not going to follow talking points. And you were saying?

179

# 190

So is your plan to build a time machine, go back in time, and stop that from occurring?  Go ahead.

I love that argument becuase it is so stupid and ignorant. Oh, Oh, Republicans not agreeing with each other.  So your saying that the dollar lost 95% of its wealth but it already happended so trying to prevent it from even losing  more of its value is stupid. I love that people accuse me of failing economics 0001 even though my M.A. is in economics but it's pretty obvious you failed logic 101. This is you in a nutshell. We destroyed our currency so the only thing we can do is pretend it didn't happen and allow our currency to be devalued even more. I'm not even a paultard but Austrian Economics has been proven correct for the last century so I guess we should dismiss it and allow our currency to drop even further. I guess the good side is the Republicans( of who I've given at least $1,000 including Palin; she's my favorite because she's independatnt;(fuck grammar)) can sweep the house and senate and not significantly cut our spending but pretend the economy is in good shape. Obama's budget is 3.5 trillion. Even if we cut it in half to 1.75 trillion it wouldn't be enough. Why don't you try to live in reality and understand that the Governement will never get out of deficit spending which you totally agree with.  

180 "When the U.S. government spends $20 million on a bridge it's a slap in the face of freedom!!! but when Iran's government murders young women, it's a cultural thing, y'know, and we shouldn't judge." I haven't ever heard Paul use that rationale for noninvolvement in Iran; have you? Got a cite? We've got a right to bitch about and change Bridges to Nowhere because IT'S OUR COUNTRY. And in case you haven't noticed, Iran isn't. It has nothing to do with the relative value of bridges and women. If we have a right and duty to stop the mistreatment of women in Iran, then certainly the Iranians have a right and duty to decide which American bridges are unneeded, and remove them. The DHS certainly doesn't think that's the case.

181 Good post