November 21, 2009
— DrewM Pretty much a foregone conclusion.
The only drama is will a Republican bail? Did history call?
They just wheeled Byrd in.
Sounds like all the Republicans stuck together (Collins and Snow stuck with the team), though I don't think Voinivich voted one way or the other. They are holding the vote because I don't think everyone got there.
It was a straight party line vote. Voinivich didn't vote but it didn't matter either way.
Just to be clear what this vote is...there's a motion to proceed on the floor. Under Senate rules the debate on that could go on forever. This is cloture motion allowing a vote on the motion to proceed.
While it's a cloture vote, it's not the one we normally think of. That one is to end debate and vote on the bill itself. That will be the next vote. It will come in a couple of weeks after debate and amendments.
Look, this is not good but there are at least 2 more 60 vote votes on this. The next will be on the cloture motion to end debate. That's when most of these things get killed (if they are going to) after that it will go to conference with the House, that will be another 60 vote opportunity.
This isn't good news but it's not the end by a long shot.
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Posted by: Joanna at November 21, 2009 04:00 PM (eMedR)
Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 21, 2009 04:00 PM (muUqs)
Posted by: Joanna at November 21, 2009 04:00 PM (eMedR)
Posted by: Joanna at November 21, 2009 04:01 PM (eMedR)
This is the vote to open up debate. Cloture is the vote to end it.
Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 21, 2009 04:02 PM (muUqs)
Posted by: HeatherRadish at November 21, 2009 04:03 PM (OkT2m)
Posted by: Jayne on the left coast at November 21, 2009 04:03 PM (KK4E4)
Posted by: ParisParamus at November 21, 2009 04:03 PM (I2aaX)
Posted by: aggiebc at November 21, 2009 04:03 PM (xhPKT)
Posted by: battyoldlady at November 21, 2009 04:04 PM (FAfMx)
Posted by: rawmuse at November 21, 2009 04:06 PM (7dSSk)
...I can't help but laugh at how Democrats think everyone else is racist.
that's what happens when you allow your political enemies to make the rules.
Posted by: oh hai at November 21, 2009 04:06 PM (XaQVn)
Posted by: HeatherRadish at November 21, 2009 04:06 PM (OkT2m)
Posted by: RicardoVerde at November 21, 2009 04:06 PM (PBTsv)
Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at November 21, 2009 04:06 PM (otlXg)
Posted by: mghorning at November 21, 2009 04:07 PM (wgSL+)
Posted by: Jayne on the left coast at November 21, 2009 04:07 PM (KK4E4)
Posted by: Naan at November 21, 2009 04:07 PM (YR3gL)
Posted by: eman at November 21, 2009 04:07 PM (fUtqR)
Posted by: everyday at November 21, 2009 04:07 PM (tgGTZ)
Posted by: ParisParamus at November 21, 2009 04:07 PM (I2aaX)
Senator Byrd, if you'll just sign here, we can get this motion to re-enact slavery rolling. Thats right, thats a good Senator, all done.
Somebody please wipe the drool from the dear Senators mouth and change his diaper before CSPAN catches it.
Posted by: Harry Reid at November 21, 2009 04:08 PM (+FzLa)
Posted by: Dan at November 21, 2009 04:08 PM (KZraB)
Posted by: ParisParamus at November 21, 2009 04:09 PM (I2aaX)
Posted by: 2012cannotcomesoonenough at November 21, 2009 04:09 PM (YewAE)
Posted by: eman at November 21, 2009 04:10 PM (fUtqR)
Posted by: pajama momma at November 21, 2009 04:11 PM (W2yhR)
For Whom the Bell Tolls
Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at November 21, 2009 04:11 PM (otlXg)
Posted by: Dan at November 21, 2009 04:11 PM (KZraB)
Posted by: randomguy at November 21, 2009 04:11 PM (B5RxW)
How did we ever get to a point where a shitty un-funny comedian gets to control everybody's medical treatments?
Posted by: HeatherRadish at November 21, 2009 04:12 PM (OkT2m)
Achmadinijad could sling a nuke at D.C. right now and it pains me to say, I would be cheering him on.
Posted by: Blazer at November 21, 2009 04:12 PM (+FzLa)
Posted by: HeatherRadish at November 21, 2009 04:13 PM (OkT2m)
Coward. I hope he's up for reelection next year.
Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at November 21, 2009 04:14 PM (otlXg)
McCain you fucking worthless piece of shit. What was your price you fucking whore?
Posted by: Blazer at November 21, 2009 04:14 PM (+FzLa)
Posted by: stock market (on Monday) at November 21, 2009 04:14 PM (l8wS6)
Posted by: The Boobie Watcher (rdb) at November 21, 2009 04:15 PM (27SPR)
Posted by: Mr Shout Out at November 21, 2009 04:15 PM (eu7/X)
Posted by: Blazer at November 21, 2009 08:14 PM (+FzLa)
Alright, that was knee-jerk on my behalf, just following the comments, but I only take half of it back.
Posted by: Blazer at November 21, 2009 04:15 PM (+FzLa)
Voiny from Ohio ain't running luckily. Hopefully we'll have Portman in there.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 21, 2009 04:15 PM (Overd)
or did I hear that wrong?
All R voted no that is including RINOS Total party vote.
Posted by: tjexcite at November 21, 2009 04:15 PM (tqN59)
Posted by: pajama momma at November 21, 2009 04:16 PM (W2yhR)
Posted by: ParisParamus at November 21, 2009 04:17 PM (I2aaX)
+1
Posted by: Methos at November 21, 2009 04:17 PM (CoDwG)
66 How about a Bud Adams double barrel middle finger salute to all the democrats
HEY!!! not all of us are liberals!!
and some of us shoot back
Posted by: navycopjoe at November 21, 2009 04:17 PM (l8wS6)
Posted by: joncelli at November 21, 2009 04:18 PM (Ko4Av)
Posted by: navycopjoe at November 21, 2009 04:19 PM (l8wS6)
Posted by: Tushar at November 21, 2009 04:19 PM (PGSXB)
IF Dingy Harry doesn't use the nuclear option. He will.
Posted by: chemjeff at November 21, 2009 04:19 PM (F+U5/)
Harry Reid can kiss my big fat ass, I will do everthing in my power to get him the hell out of Nevada. These people are sick!!They don't give a flying fuck what we think. I have just about had it!! Sorry for the f bomb, but it is appropriate!! I will join whomever wins in the primary on the repub side in the fight against that monstrosity harry reid. I think he is gonna lose in a way that makes any other liberal think twice before they try to peddle the lib bullshit in Nevada again.
Or they will make elections a thing of the past, that is what scares me.
Posted by: lou at November 21, 2009 04:19 PM (UbWbu)
Posted by: randomguy at November 21, 2009 04:20 PM (B5RxW)
its not that dems don't care, they are deluded to think Americans want this, they think the huge dip in polls is just an aberration.
I still get letters from the DNC, the next time I get one, I will post it here, these fucking fools are living in another world, every time the letter says, we will "lower premiums, more coverage, greatly reduce the deficit"
I've gotten one from Gooore, Carville, a few others, none from howard dean though, guess he wants full fledged single payer, idiot.
Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-democrat at November 21, 2009 04:20 PM (ACkhT)
Posted by: sybilll at November 21, 2009 04:20 PM (8aFRX)
Posted by: Vet Missing Parts at November 21, 2009 04:20 PM (MCHyX)
Posted by: tjexcite at November 21, 2009 04:20 PM (tqN59)
Posted by: eman at November 21, 2009 04:21 PM (fUtqR)
Sixty domestic terrorists launched the latest attack on the Republic Saturday evening in a strike that will change the fabric of the nation in ways unimagined by the founders.
Posted by: Katie Couric's colon at November 21, 2009 04:21 PM (Oxen1)
Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-democrat at November 21, 2009 04:22 PM (ACkhT)
Medicare will be "saved" when enough of the old people die from rationed care. So he's right, although not in the way you'd think.
Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at November 21, 2009 04:22 PM (otlXg)
Posted by: mystry at November 21, 2009 04:22 PM (kmgIE)
randomguy, I see your on topic image and raise you a pic of how Democrats handle Snowe & Collins!
Posted by: oh hai at November 21, 2009 04:22 PM (XaQVn)
The dimbulb from Lighthouse, NV is crowing in front of the camera's now with Dodd and that libtard Harkin saying "We can see the finish line now..."
What he doesn't understand is that the finish line is the end of his career, and hopefully several others that voted in favor of it too.
I feel sick...
Posted by: Gmac at November 21, 2009 04:23 PM (GGq9n)
Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 21, 2009 04:23 PM (Overd)
Sixty domestic terrorists launched the latest attack on the Republic Saturday evening in a strike that will change the fabric of the nation in ways unimagined by the founders.
Posted by: Katie Couric's colon at November 21, 2009 08:21 PM (Oxen1)
I like this post. True true true. They don't give a shit about America.
Keep the powder dry!!
Posted by: lou at November 21, 2009 04:24 PM (UbWbu)
Did Johnny Lamebrain vote for this piece of shit or not? If so, it will be time for me to visit his daughters Twitter once again to let her know how fat and repugnant she is.
Posted by: Blazer at November 21, 2009 04:24 PM (+FzLa)
Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 21, 2009 08:23 PM (Overd)
I forgot, where do you live again?
Posted by: Blazer at November 21, 2009 04:24 PM (+FzLa)
Posted by: eman at November 21, 2009 04:26 PM (fUtqR)
one of my friends has a small biz, he has about 15 employees right now, he has no insurance coverage, but he made sure his employees have some coverage.
He's barely hanging on, he's cut hours, he's even cut some salaries, he is barely breaking even, barely. He told me last week, if they pass this shit of a bill with all the taxes and mandates, he will be be laying off 2 people within the next 2 weeks.
He doesn't want to, but has no choice, his revenues are way down, as are the the other businesses that order from him, they are all barely hanging on by a couple of threads, BARELY.
by next year, unemployment will be over 12%. and accelerating.
These fuckers have NO clue how hard it is to start, and grow and manage a business. Let the leeches have at it, more and more businesses will either go bancrupt or leave the country.
Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-democrat at November 21, 2009 04:26 PM (ACkhT)
Posted by: navycopjoe at November 21, 2009 04:26 PM (l8wS6)
Posted by: 2012cannotcomesoonenough at November 21, 2009 04:27 PM (YewAE)
Posted by: sybilll at November 21, 2009 04:27 PM (8aFRX)
If the moderates always figure out a way to vote that allows the liberals to triumph, then they aren't really moderates, are they?
Rush has been calling passage of Obamacare and end-game showdown. I'll be interested to see if he retires when this passes.
Make no mistake, final passage is a foregone conclusion. Every step moderates allowed this to take was one step too many and we've slipped into the abyss.
And just think, Senator Snowe could have kept this thing locked up in committee, but thought her ability to say "no" later mattered. How's that working out for us, Senator?
Posted by: The Hammer at November 21, 2009 04:27 PM (YBTwf)
He didn't as far as I know, but don't let that stop you from paying a visit to Megaton's Twitter...
Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at November 21, 2009 04:27 PM (otlXg)
Posted by: 2012cannotcomesoonenough at November 21, 2009 04:28 PM (YewAE)
Posted by: exceller at November 21, 2009 04:28 PM (Z7Znk)
You know, I have to admit that's not the only thing I'm missing from the 90's. I'm missing Billy Jeff as well. And I never ever thought I'd miss Billy Jeff.
I draw the line at missing Carter. I have *some* standards.
Posted by: alexthechick at November 21, 2009 04:29 PM (bQ5xy)
Tell him to pick the ones with Obama stickers on their cars.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at November 21, 2009 04:29 PM (OkT2m)
Posted by: fred garvin, male prositute at November 21, 2009 04:30 PM (1vYuw)
Posted by: eman at November 21, 2009 04:30 PM (fUtqR)
Posted by: navycopjoe at November 21, 2009 04:30 PM (l8wS6)
A vote to proceed with the debate...I heard campaign commie camron on fox today say that 97% of legislature thats gets this far, gets passed!! Someone talk me off the ledge!!
Oh yeah, wussup maroonies???
Posted by: dananjcon at November 21, 2009 04:32 PM (sZDwk)
Posted by: HeatherRadish at November 21, 2009 08:29 PM (OkT2m)
pretty much all his employees are conservatives, they all work hard for a pay check, you know.
but the 2 secretaries are Obots, my guess is they will be the first to be fired. (I am certainly telling him, they should be the first to go, and TELL them why they are the first to be fired, being Obots they are too dense to figure it out themselves)
Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-democrat at November 21, 2009 04:32 PM (ACkhT)
Posted by: navycopjoe at November 21, 2009 04:33 PM (l8wS6)
It's OVER. They only need 50 to pass this thing. They'll end up with about 56 or 57.
We gave up tonight, to a bunch of crooks and corrupt whores, what it took brave men and women 235 years to build through work, blood, and sacrifice.
Posted by: Patti at November 21, 2009 04:33 PM (GkYyh)
Posted by: randomguy at November 21, 2009 04:33 PM (B5RxW)
A mule will work patiently for ten years for the opportunity to kick you ONE time .
That ONE time is gonna' be a sonofabitch .
Posted by: awkward davies at November 21, 2009 04:33 PM (wb68R)
Posted by: eman at November 21, 2009 04:34 PM (fUtqR)
Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-democrat at November 21, 2009 04:34 PM (ACkhT)
ADOPT A SENATOROIL CANDIDATE PROGRAM
I have no senate election in my state next year, so I going to adopt three candidates opposing dems for my donations.
New Mexico likely can turn two districts red and I will give there. My district is so lib, that unless something happens, I will give no money here.
The rest I will use for ammo.
Posted by: mghorning at November 21, 2009 04:34 PM (wgSL+)
They expect you to avail yourself of the government largesse in that situation. They're GENEROUS.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at November 21, 2009 04:34 PM (OkT2m)
129 hmmmm, toss in a honey bun and it's looking good.....
(sorry lacey but i'm like addicted to those damn things)
Posted by: navycopjoe at November 21, 2009 04:34 PM (l8wS6)
ok, this is making me take to my bed.
BUT: we cannot give up. because what else could we do?
I've already contributed the max fed contribution to the Republican challenger to Dem Cong Perriello. I do not have this kind of money. But Robt. Hurt needs to show 4th quarter contributions to attract other money from national sources (and yes, I realize exactly what I just said here). But, we need to get rid of each person who voted for this bill.
Because any that voted for this bill wants America to die.
Posted by: kelley in virginia at November 21, 2009 04:35 PM (TEIZr)
Posted by: sybilll at November 21, 2009 04:35 PM (8aFRX)
Did ya like his new toupee,,,,er, hair color, or whateverthehell that squirrel pelt was on his head?
Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at November 21, 2009 04:35 PM (Jyuxh)
Premium healthcare for those that can afford it, whatever's left for the rest -- at market prices.
Posted by: randomguy at November 21, 2009 04:36 PM (B5RxW)
Posted by: ParisParamus at November 21, 2009 04:36 PM (I2aaX)
Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-democrat at November 21, 2009 08:32 PM (ACkhT)
Love the name. How recent and what turned you to the right side?
Posted by: lou at November 21, 2009 04:37 PM (UbWbu)
Hmm, if it's my call I say a 7&7 if you've got some Seagrams. Or as I call it the Biden 15.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 21, 2009 04:37 PM (Overd)
Posted by: navycopjoe at November 21, 2009 04:37 PM (l8wS6)
Posted by: eman at November 21, 2009 08:34 PM (fUtqR)
Where you tink dat money come from round eye? You pay up Yankee or we take what rightfurry ours.
Posted by: The Chinese at November 21, 2009 04:37 PM (+FzLa)
They only need 50 votes. The Dems are moving this through on a simple 50 vote thing by labeling it a financial bill.
50, not 60 for this one
Posted by: Patti at November 21, 2009 04:37 PM (GkYyh)
Hmm, if it's my call I say a 7&7 if you've got some Seagrams. Or as I call it the Biden 15.
Ummm, is that an "inkdray"? You gotta say it.
Posted by: Dang Straights at November 21, 2009 04:38 PM (djkiW)
Hmm, if it's my call I say a 7&7 if you've got some Seagrams
whoa, tradings closed guys, lacey is a keeper
Posted by: navycopjoe at November 21, 2009 04:39 PM (l8wS6)
Posted by: kilnntime at November 21, 2009 04:39 PM (TF8SE)
WASHINGTON – Invoking the name of Edward M. Kennedy, Democrats united Saturday night to push historic health care legislation past a key Senate hurdle over the opposition of Republicans eager to inflict a punishing defeat on President Barack Obama.
http://tinyurl.com/ykcu8kh
Yeah, the Republicans didn't vote out of principle or anything. Just to damage the President.
I HATE THE MASS MEDIA!!!1!1!
Posted by: RJ at November 21, 2009 04:39 PM (ADbI4)
Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 21, 2009 04:39 PM (muUqs)
Posted by: sybilll at November 21, 2009 04:39 PM (8aFRX)
Cincinnati, Blazer
As in the Senate just gave me one helluva Cincinnati Bowtie
Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 21, 2009 08:35 PM (Overd)
Hey, at least it wasn't a Cleveland Steamer, that will come later.
Pick me up at the airport and lets get our drink on.
Posted by: blazer at November 21, 2009 04:40 PM (+FzLa)
Posted by: eman at November 21, 2009 04:40 PM (fUtqR)
Whatever happened to pledging "our lives, fortunes, and our sacred honor"?!?!? [Here is a piece from Rush about what the Founders lost for their dedication to the cause of liberty & freedom: http://tinyurl.com/ygbyvlr.]
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at November 21, 2009 04:40 PM (zmiSr)
And what is it with these "conserfative" (serfs to the party) Democrats, anyway? This means there is NO SUCH THING, else they would vote their conscience, right, Landrieu? Of course, Judas went for only 30 pieces of silver. You're just a more high class whore.
Posted by: Maryk at November 21, 2009 04:40 PM (1Mn8Z)
Posted by: lou at November 21, 2009 08:37 PM (UbWbu)
last year, I have always been a conservative, but I am not a social conservative, which is why I registered as a democrat (I am now a registered independent). I could not vote for a friends-with-terrorists self-avowed Marxist.
There are only 2 republicans I voted for in my democrat-registered lifetime, Ronald Reagan and Sarah Palin. These are the only 2 politicians I have ever felt will put the country before any damn party.
Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-democrat at November 21, 2009 04:41 PM (ACkhT)
You gotta love state-controlled AP:
No word on it's partisanship, eh?
hmmm, musta been an oversight
Posted by: oh hai at November 21, 2009 04:42 PM (XaQVn)
Posted by: Scrapiron at November 21, 2009 04:42 PM (1kwr2)
If this bill passes, Democrats will get special health care, I'm sure. No one will tell Ted Kennedy or Robert Byrd, "Time's up!" If you're a conservative or a Republican (a non-RINO), too bad, looks like we're all out of that medicine.
That will certainly be an aspect of that. Not so much the "taking control of the stupid masses that elected me," stuff, but the polically motivated way health care will be distributed. "So, you had unprotected sex with schoolboys and your AIDS is worse now? Step right up! You, on the other hand, ate bacon a lot? Sorry, nothing we can do for you, unless you can show us your voting records."
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 21, 2009 04:42 PM (eNxMU)
Posted by: joncelli at November 21, 2009 04:42 PM (Ko4Av)
I am looking to adopt a competitive NY district and make phone calls and campaign. We MUST stop the socialism before it's built-in to the hardware.
Posted by: ParisParamus at November 21, 2009 08:17 PM (I2aaX)
Try the 43rd.Posted by: Tinian at November 21, 2009 04:42 PM (7+pP9)
Posted by: wherestherum at November 21, 2009 04:43 PM (gofDd)
Did ya like his new toupee,,,,er, hair color, or whateverthehell that squirrel pelt was on his head?
Nothing beats frank luntz' wig besides that whacky ex-con senator with the greek name or something...forgive me I'm on #8 Heiney.
My biggest worry is trying to walk this piece of shit legislation back...on the other hand un raveling this mess may take soooo long it will give the country a chance to breath and fix this debacle thruogh the free market.
Posted by: dananjcon at November 21, 2009 04:43 PM (sZDwk)
Posted by: navycopjoe at November 21, 2009 04:43 PM (l8wS6)
heh, thats probably the only reason why the Maine sisters didnt cross the aisle to suck History's dick. They knew they didn't have to.
Posted by: Blazer at November 21, 2009 04:44 PM (+FzLa)
Posted by: pat at November 21, 2009 04:44 PM (h4Zo6)
Actually, that was somebodies own silver, she's a lower slimy whore because they are giving her our money that they stole.
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at November 21, 2009 04:44 PM (DIYmd)
Read through the comments. I don't feel defeated, I feel inflamed. I thought I had done my share, but, this will kick it up a notch. But, the sentiment is duly noted.
Posted by: sybilll at November 21, 2009 04:45 PM (8aFRX)
Yep, this is Bush's and the Republicans' legacy. Denny Hastert and Trent Lott/Bill Frist sat around with their thumbs up their asses while the Democrats ran around and smeared the GOP image.
Posted by: oh hai at November 21, 2009 04:45 PM (XaQVn)
Posted by: navycopjoe at November 21, 2009 08:43 PM (l8wS6)
Indeed I did, and I could kick myself for it, after last year, I thank god the long faced moron did not win.
I am truely sorry. Will never happen again. My loyalt to the country come first!
Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-democrat at November 21, 2009 04:46 PM (ACkhT)
Posted by: navycopjoe at November 21, 2009 04:46 PM (l8wS6)
I believe that is as currently configured; the threat remains that the bill could be relabeled as a budget item during reconciliation and never be subject to cloture.
Posted by: Jean at November 21, 2009 04:47 PM (xCBQ4)
The smug shit eating grin on reid & Dobb's face sent me into such a rage I wanted to belt my wife in the face...its a good thing she is at Mt airey gambling my money away that...wait...wait I'm gonna smack arount tomoorow anyway!
shit... another bear and i'll be ready to take on out neighborhood scavenger bear!!
Posted by: dananjcon at November 21, 2009 04:47 PM (sZDwk)
A guy at hotair says he thinks the bill will die since the liberals will insist on the public option and it wont have the votes. Kinda like how Amnesty went down.
Posted by: Dan at November 21, 2009 04:48 PM (KZraB)
Posted by: everyday at November 21, 2009 04:49 PM (tgGTZ)
William Wallace: Longshanks desires peace?
Princess Isabelle: He declares it to me, I swear it. He proposes that you withdraw your attack. In return he grants you title, estates, and this chest of gold which I am to pay to you personally.
William Wallace: A lordship and titles. Gold. That I should become Judas?
Princess Isabelle: Peace is made in such ways.
William Wallace: Slaves are made in such ways. The last time Longshanks spoke of peace I was a boy. And many Scottish nobles, who would not be slaves, were lured by him under a flag of truce to a barn, where he had them hanged. I was very young, but I remember Longshanks' notion of peace.
FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOM!
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at November 21, 2009 04:49 PM (DIYmd)
Posted by: lou at November 21, 2009 08:37 PM (UbWbu)
last year, I have always been a conservative, but I am not a social conservative, which is why I registered as a democrat (I am now a registered independent). I could not vote for a friends-with-terrorists self-avowed Marxist.
There are only 2 republicans I voted for in my democrat-registered lifetime, Ronald Reagan and Sarah Palin. These are the only 2 politicians I have ever felt will put the country before any damn party.
Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-democrat at November 21, 2009 08:41 PM (ACkhT)
Well, those are two great votes!!
Posted by: lou at November 21, 2009 04:50 PM (UbWbu)
Posted by: oh hai at November 21, 2009 08:45 PM (XaQVn)
Right now Michael Steele is probably enjoying a steak in Georgetown while waxing to his Beltway buddies about how racist and what a bunch of Nazis we all are while David Brooks is admiring the sharp creases in his pants.
Posted by: Blazer at November 21, 2009 04:50 PM (+FzLa)
Sounds like wishful thinking, as there are some ways to get around that. Reconciliation for one thing. I don't think the socialists will mind not having the public option now if the machinery and new taxes are in place...
In the end, there will be only chaos.
Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at November 21, 2009 04:52 PM (otlXg)
Posted by: joncelli at November 21, 2009 04:52 PM (Ko4Av)
Posted by: pat at November 21, 2009 04:52 PM (h4Zo6)
Posted by: eman at November 21, 2009 04:53 PM (fUtqR)
Posted by: mystry at November 21, 2009 04:53 PM (kmgIE)
The smug shit eating grin on reid & Dobb's face sent me into such a rage I wanted to belt my wife in the face...its a good thing she is at Mt airey gambling my money away that...wait...wait I'm gonna smack arount tomoorow anyway!
shit... another bear and i'll be ready to take on out neighborhood scavenger bear!!
Posted by: dananjcon at November 21, 2009 08:47 PM (sZDwk)
Give her a break, she didn't do it. If you want to belt someone in the face I know two Obama supporters personally who live near you, you can do the honors to.
Posted by: Blazer at November 21, 2009 04:53 PM (+FzLa)
Posted by: joncelli at November 21, 2009 04:54 PM (Ko4Av)
Posted by: lacey's 7&7 cup runneth over at November 21, 2009 04:54 PM (Overd)
DOWN SIZE!!! Sell your house, liquidate your stocks, ira, bonds blah bla...get off the grid , off the radar; live in a trailor/cabin/hut Return to the earth...the end is nigh, nee, nooooo whatever, you get the point morons WERE FUCKED! The never hads slack ass fuck wads are commin for you!
Posted by: dananjcon at November 21, 2009 04:54 PM (sZDwk)
Imagine our Army infiltrated by Hasan and other islamists until they made up 60% of the Officer Corps. They wouldn't feel the need to attack the Army internally. They would need to "help" the civilians with our domestic crime problem. Whether we wanted it or not.
Reid said he was only taking calls from other senators today, to the snickers of those around him. The tyranny has been televised.
Posted by: Flying Monkey at November 21, 2009 04:55 PM (Oxen1)
here is something of interest, as much as you guys think the conservatives are in trouble, the bubble in DC must be very dense, its the undemocratic party that is imploding.(sorry, yes this is a hillary website, but the analysis is spot on as to why the party is imploding and they don't even know it)
Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-democrat at November 21, 2009 04:55 PM (ACkhT)
Kinda like how Amnesty went down.
The (R)'s were in the majority in the summer of '06.
It's a lot different now.
Posted by: oh hai at November 21, 2009 04:56 PM (XaQVn)
Will shall be the sterner, heart the bolder, spirit the greater while our strength lessens.
Voinovich...a tower of courage to the end. [hawk spit]
Posted by: Ken at November 21, 2009 04:57 PM (rQI8i)
Posted by: Dan at November 21, 2009 04:57 PM (KZraB)
Posted by: joncelli at November 21, 2009 04:57 PM (Ko4Av)
Posted by: eman at November 21, 2009 04:58 PM (fUtqR)
We need to help slightly over 2% of them to become competent and independent. That's about six million people.
One other thought: this blog is a choir.
Posted by: Old Sailor at November 21, 2009 04:58 PM (/Ft4q)
Posted by: Ad rem at November 21, 2009 04:58 PM (yPHLS)
I've been sober for 13 years but this is one night when I'd like to get really whacked. Sigh.
Posted by: joncelli at November 21, 2009 08:54 PM (Ko4Av)
I was sober for thirteen minutes today. Once reality started to set in, it was all I could take.
Posted by: Blazer at November 21, 2009 04:58 PM (+FzLa)
This is only the beginning of the end.
Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at November 21, 2009 04:58 PM (otlXg)
Imagine our Army infiltrated by Hasan and other islamists Ass-covering careerists who don't give a shit about their troops, the country, or anything else until they made up 60% of the Officer Corps.
ftfy
Posted by: Dang Straights at November 21, 2009 04:58 PM (djkiW)
Posted by: Terry at November 21, 2009 05:00 PM (ddL+W)
Becasue they know it won't happen. The Medicare cuts are just going to be pushed down the road by annual fixes that the Dems will dare the Pubs to vote against.
Posted by: Jean at November 21, 2009 05:00 PM (xCBQ4)
Well, I think I'm off to shoot things (virtually, do not put me on the watch list yet, Thought Police) and finish a bottle of cheap bourbon whiskey. Though I perhaps should be using the time to develop my shiv-making skills for when this nonsense lands me in prison for not paying up.
Y'all take care, it's been fun, hopefully I'll be hanging around here more in the future.
Posted by: aggiebc at November 21, 2009 05:01 PM (xhPKT)
Posted by: eman at November 21, 2009 05:01 PM (fUtqR)
Posted by: mghorning at November 21, 2009 05:01 PM (wgSL+)
Give her a break, she didn't do it. If you want to belt someone in the face I know two Obama supporters personally who live near you, you can do the honors to.
I'm in jersey!!! I'm surrounded by libtards...JESUS...where can we go, what can we do?? E-mails...phone calls...VOTING, nothing is working WTF!!!!
Oh yeah, my wife still spends too much friggin money...I'm leavin her in jersey she fits right in!!!
Posted by: dananjcon at November 21, 2009 05:01 PM (sZDwk)
They're not even going to pretend to call holding on KU. It's as bad as the Ttech game last year when Orakpo was getting tackled every down.
Posted by: Dang Straights at November 21, 2009 05:02 PM (djkiW)
Posted by: les grossman at November 21, 2009 05:02 PM (Vc/xe)
Posted by: hous bin pharteen at November 21, 2009 05:03 PM (pU4D7)
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at November 21, 2009 05:03 PM (DIYmd)
Where the fuck are all the sane people in MA (I know they have some). They should be laying down in front of the halls of Congress screaming, nooooooooooooooooo, don't do it!!!!!! Trust us, listen to us, DO.NOT.DO.IT.
I'm not disillusioned with politicians--that would have required faith from the get-go. No, I'm astonished with the apathy towards the politicians.
Posted by: lacey's 7&7 cup runneth over at November 21, 2009 05:04 PM (Overd)
I'm in jersey!!! I'm surrounded by libtards...JESUS...where can we go, what can we do?? E-mails...phone calls...VOTING, nothing is working WTF!!!!
Oh yeah, my wife still spends too much friggin money...I'm leavin her in jersey she fits right in!!!
Posted by: dananjcon at November 21, 2009 09:01 PM (sZDwk)
Move down here, and help turn a purple state back to red.
Posted by: Blazer at November 21, 2009 05:04 PM (+FzLa)
Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 21, 2009 05:05 PM (muUqs)
Posted by: joncelli at November 21, 2009 08:52 PM (Ko4Av)
Thats true, they were blowing smoke up our asses. This shit was gonna happen, I think from the house to now. They had us at hello, and we allowed this shit to happen....!!!
Truly sick of paying taxes for deadbeats!!
Posted by: lou at November 21, 2009 05:07 PM (UbWbu)
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at November 21, 2009 05:07 PM (zmiSr)
Posted by: joncelli at November 21, 2009 05:08 PM (Ko4Av)
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at November 21, 2009 05:09 PM (zmiSr)
Posted by: eman at November 21, 2009 05:09 PM (fUtqR)
mghorning...I was an early supporter of the teri garr thread and would like to voice my support once again...I just hope we don't forget Beverly D'angelo...she was just as milfy!
Also...joncelli, just had a thought...their is a whole community of people who own these luxury campers...we should all liquidate and roam the country til this country gets it shit together. We can be like the hippies in the 60/70's buy w/better amennities.
Posted by: dananjcon at November 21, 2009 05:09 PM (sZDwk)
Posted by: lacey's 7&7 cup runneth over at November 21, 2009 05:09 PM (Overd)
whoever gets elected as governor is serious about state sovereignty.
Well that ain't Kay Bailout. I don't trust that rat-bastard Perry, though.
Posted by: Dang Straights at November 21, 2009 05:10 PM (djkiW)
'80- Then don't be voting for the Kay. Heard her on the radio the other day, she should just stay in DC cause she sure don't belong in TX anymore.
Posted by: Naan at November 21, 2009 05:12 PM (YR3gL)
Posted by: joncelli at November 21, 2009 05:12 PM (Ko4Av)
Didn't they just give Obumbles a warning about spending us into oblivion? How much further down this road do the Dems have to go before China decides its had enough and pulls its money out?
Posted by: Methos at November 21, 2009 05:12 PM (CoDwG)
Posted by: lacey's 7&7 cup runneth over at November 21, 2009 05:13 PM (Overd)
Bottom line here...the gop cannot stop this. Dems have 60 votes, so we gotta pray that the far left goes overboard with public option etc and even the FAKE moderate dems cant stomach it and thats how this will die on the next 60 vote thresehold.
I know this is not good, but I really think its all we have to hang our hats on right now.
If anyone thinks there is another scenario where it dies, im all ears. I dont care how it does, as long as it dies!
Posted by: Dan at November 21, 2009 05:13 PM (KZraB)
Here are the folks that hold our fragile Republic in their hands. Fuck you 52, fuck you very much.
Posted by: Blazer at November 21, 2009 05:13 PM (+FzLa)
I don't think they can filibuster a Conference Report. So the motion to end debate on the actual bill will be the last chance.
Posted by: KSgop at November 21, 2009 05:14 PM (Yv9sD)
I'm voting for Perry or Medina, most likely Perry. Unfortunately, my mom is hearing rumblings that Perry is in trouble (a friend of the family is in the TX House).
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at November 21, 2009 05:15 PM (zmiSr)
I'm in jersey!!! I'm surrounded by libtards...JESUS...where can we go, what can we do?? E-mails...phone calls...VOTING, nothing is working WTF!!!!
Oh yeah, my wife still spends too much friggin money...I'm leavin her in jersey she fits right in!!!
Posted by: dananjcon at November 21, 2009 09:01 PM (sZDwk)
Move down here, and help turn a purple state back to red.
Blazer...don't know where you are. but i've been seriously thing bout south carolia but that shit heel Graham...Well you know. Texas... That place is big enough and has enough recources for all of us to do just fine! TEXAS OR BUST. (Alaska too friggin cold)
Posted by: dananjcon at November 21, 2009 05:15 PM (sZDwk)
Posted by: joncelli at November 21, 2009 05:15 PM (Ko4Av)
Blazer...don't know where you are. but i've been seriously thing bout south carolia but that shit heel Graham...Well you know. Texas... That place is big enough and has enough recources for all of us to do just fine! TEXAS OR BUST. (Alaska too friggin cold)
Posted by: dananjcon at November 21, 2009 09:15 PM (sZDwk)
I'm in Virginia.
Posted by: Blazer at November 21, 2009 05:16 PM (+FzLa)
Posted by: mystry at November 21, 2009 05:17 PM (kmgIE)
Amen!
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at November 21, 2009 05:17 PM (zmiSr)
Posted by: Dan at November 21, 2009 05:18 PM (KZraB)
the chinease are extremely worried. When has the US ever been questioned about it domestic policies when abroad?
a chinease stupid asked the Marxist how the deathcare bill would be paid for. Think about that for a second, another country asking about America's domestic policy and how America indeeds to pay for it?
umeployment will be between (just official numbers)12- 13 % next year, biz will leave this country, we will be about 14 trillion in debt, and the chinease will say essentially the US dollar can no longer be relied as the reserve currency, they will just declare it.
Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-democrat at November 21, 2009 05:19 PM (ACkhT)
Blazer, the 52 are made up of the 40-something women that have now seen Twilight 17 times in a row since it opened two days ago. They are pathetic losers that dream of having an affair with a 20 year old kid. I'm betting these were the same people Ziegler interviewed last year coming out of the polls claiming that Palin was the candidate that said there were 57 states.
Posted by: lacey's 7&7 cup runneth over at November 21, 2009 05:19 PM (Overd)
Posted by: joncelli at November 21, 2009 09:08 PM (Ko4Av)
Well shit, they nationalized the banks, car industry, and now health care,etc, etc, etc so Yeah, gonna happen!!!
Posted by: lou at November 21, 2009 05:20 PM (UbWbu)
Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-democrat at November 21, 2009 05:20 PM (ACkhT)
If you've ever seen a pic of Miss '80's very ample bosom, you don't even know how literal that statement was. Makes ya' wanna pull up stakes I tell ya'.
Posted by: Blazer at November 21, 2009 05:20 PM (+FzLa)
Those damn RVs really use up gas. But we'll enjoy ourselves!
Just think about how much more co2 it will drive the algorians friggin NUTS!!
Posted by: dananjcon at November 21, 2009 05:21 PM (sZDwk)
If anyone thinks there is another scenario where it dies, im all ears. I dont care how it does, as long as it dies!
1. A Dem Senator with a Republican Gov resigns, has a heart attack, a DUI into the Potomac.
2. 30+ State Legislatures pass Article 5 instructions calling for a convention to get the Feds out of health care; and one Dem blinks.
3. The Health Insurance firms send out SOX notices of the risks and costs to every one of their customers and there are literally riots in the streets.
4. Complete economic collapse due to very weak holiday sales, negative T bill yields, another surge in foreclosures, higher unemployment, and an Iranian influenced oil spike - just overshadows it and there are riots in the streets.
5. One Dem Senator has a visitation.
6. Asteroid
Just some off-the-cuff happy thoughts.
Posted by: Jean at November 21, 2009 05:21 PM (xCBQ4)
Posted by: joncelli at November 21, 2009 09:08 PM (Ko4Av)
Well shit, they nationalized the banks, car industry, and now health care,etc, etc, etc so Yeah, gonna happen!!!
Posted by: lou at November 21, 2009 09:20 PM (UbWbu)
Sorry, forgot the housing industry, and the m'fin thugs are us unions!!
Posted by: lou at November 21, 2009 05:21 PM (UbWbu)
Posted by: eman at November 21, 2009 05:21 PM (fUtqR)
Here are the folks that hold our fragile Republic in their hands. Fuck you 52, fuck you very much.
Gabriel Malor posted this.
Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 21, 2009 05:22 PM (muUqs)
You're right, that's why they call the BLUE dogs instead of RED dogs, which would be much more appropriate, if they were actually the rarely-if-ever-seen "conservative" democrat.
Posted by: Maryk at November 21, 2009 05:22 PM (1Mn8Z)
I just find it so hard to believe that this vote is even legal. And I see the life that both my wife and I worked so hard to achieve circling the drain.
The only way it can be undone is with a super-majority vote to override what would be a guaranteed veto by ObamaÂ…. after 2012Â…. probably still a super-majority to overcome a filibuster by the democrats.
Posted by: sickinmass at November 21, 2009 05:24 PM (g7J39)
Plenty of hunting and fishing .
Atlanta is a self -solving problem.
Future Atlantic port for the Naval Forces of the Republic of Texas
Posted by: jadedinga at November 21, 2009 05:25 PM (Uc/xV)
"How are you t'day?"
"I'm fine. How are you right back atcha?"
That's way too much work. Stick with 'howdy' and folks'll think your an aggy. Much easier.
Posted by: Dang Straights at November 21, 2009 05:26 PM (djkiW)
Posted by: Editor at November 21, 2009 05:27 PM (+quqr)
Posted by: Jean at November 21, 2009 05:27 PM (xCBQ4)
Bush was more conservative down here than in DC, so people thought Perry would follow in his footsteps. Perry has been more squishy than most would care to admit, but he seems to be regaining his footing. Regardless, some people down here feel a sense of betrayal.
2nd problem: Cheney endorsed Kay Bailey, & Sarah, Perry.
3rd: Debra Medina is more in-line w/ Ron Paul, but she does have small-government appeal.
I don't know what's going to happen w/ this one. It will be an interesting election.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at November 21, 2009 05:27 PM (zmiSr)
Posted by: joncelli at November 21, 2009 05:27 PM (Ko4Av)
I think only some cartoon pron can cheer me up now.
Disney or Looney Tunes?
Looby Tunes
Fixxxed it for ya!
Posted by: dananjcon at November 21, 2009 05:29 PM (sZDwk)
Posted by: redc1c4 at November 21, 2009 05:29 PM (d1FhN)
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at November 21, 2009 05:29 PM (zmiSr)
Posted by: Jean at November 21, 2009 05:30 PM (xCBQ4)
At the end of the day, the people themselves are going to have to correct this by force, not just at the ballot box. That may not be good enough. Why do I think we are heading towards a real civil war? WeÂ’re at the breaking point.
Passage of this bill would not be the end of the legal conflicts. We have more to resent than the original founders suffered under King George. This is a similar threat to liberty itself–only worse. It is a step toward rationed care and governmental intrusion into the most private aspects of our lives. People are near the explosion-point as a consequence. I know I am.
Posted by: sickinmass at November 21, 2009 05:32 PM (g7J39)
Posted by: joncelli at November 21, 2009 05:32 PM (Ko4Av)
OK, done, can't do it. Drank two beers tonight, which is the smae number I had had in the 2009 calendar year to this point.
God pray for the soldiers in the new civil war
Posted by: Truman North at November 21, 2009 05:32 PM (XH/G8)
If this passes I truly believe we will be in irreversible decline economically. There will be peaks and vallys but the trend will be down. Debt burden is too high, taxes too high, spending too high. It does not work.
Standard of living will decrease. Middle class will slowly shrivel.
I could go on but you get the idea.
Posted by: Dan at November 21, 2009 05:33 PM (KZraB)
It is not just that the penalty is cheaper then compliance, but it gets rid of major management headache. Having the accountant work it into the tax number has to be easier them managing the whole mess.
Posted by: Jean at November 21, 2009 05:33 PM (xCBQ4)
Posted by: eman at November 21, 2009 05:33 PM (fUtqR)
Posted by: mystry at November 21, 2009 05:34 PM (kmgIE)
Considering that's what they want to happen...America has to be completely broken to be remade into a Soviet Utopia[sic].
Posted by: HeatherRadish at November 21, 2009 05:34 PM (OkT2m)
Posted by: eman at November 21, 2009 05:36 PM (fUtqR)
Posted by: lou at November 21, 2009 05:37 PM (UbWbu)
got into a discussion the other day with a true believer on the issue. since he couldn't argue the point, he just declared it invalid because i didn't run a business, and his (likely imaginary) boss said it would be no big deal, and a wash compared to what he was allegedly paying now. he was most disturbed when i threw the bullshit flag on his claim.
Posted by: redc1c4 at November 21, 2009 05:37 PM (d1FhN)
Posted by: eman at November 21, 2009 05:40 PM (fUtqR)
My wife just e-mailed her lefty lawyer friend on face book who is a breast cancer survivor in her thirties and is ecstatic about this moving forward.
"Hope it doesn't come back sweetie since you'll now have to wait until your fifty to get a mammogram."
God I love that woman.
Posted by: Blazer at November 21, 2009 05:43 PM (+FzLa)
Yeah, redc1c4, where does it say in the Constitution that as a self-employed businessman, I'm required to be a tax collector for the federal government???
That's why I keep hinting about my 1040 mysteriously ending up in the shitcan.
What if would happen America's small business owners did just that?
Posted by: Old Sailor at November 21, 2009 05:46 PM (/Ft4q)
Would have like a throw in the endzone first, but hell yeah 21 point lead at the half. I'll take it.
Posted by: Dang Straights at November 21, 2009 05:48 PM (djkiW)
There will be no employees, every small business will only have contractors. It will be the only way to survive.
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at November 21, 2009 05:49 PM (DIYmd)
every small business will only have contractors. It will be the only way to survive.
Yeah, I don't understand why more people aren't getting this. We are ALL 1099'ers now.
Posted by: Dang Straights at November 21, 2009 05:50 PM (djkiW)
I'm having visions of a con-con. It may be time to start seriously examining that option as we don't have many left.
Posted by: lacey's 7&7 cup runneth over at November 21, 2009 05:50 PM (Overd)
Posted by: Peggy at November 21, 2009 05:50 PM (2POF0)
Same deal with union dues; if I ran an industrial concern that was unionized - the first thing I would due is eliminate the automatic payroll deduction for union dues. Make them sweat their checks out of the workers.
Posted by: Jean at November 21, 2009 05:50 PM (xCBQ4)
Posted by: hutch1200 at November 21, 2009 09:49 PM (usUEb)
yea, except, the Spartans lost.
Posted by: Blazer at November 21, 2009 05:51 PM (+FzLa)
Posted by: lacey's 7&7 cup runneth over at November 21, 2009 05:52 PM (Overd)
Posted by: eman at November 21, 2009 05:54 PM (fUtqR)
The following Senators from red states voted for cloture.
Alaska - Mark Begich.
Arkansas - Blanche Lincoln.
Arkansas - Mark Pryor.
Louisiana - Mary Landrieu.
Missouri - Claire McCaskill.
Montana - Max Baucus.
Montana - Jon Tester.
Nebraska - Ben Nelson.
North Dakota - Kent Conrad.
North Dakota - Byron Dorgan.
South Dakota - Tim Johnson.
West Virginia - Robert Byrd.
West Virginia - Jay Rockefeller.
If the GOP had its act together enough to elect Republicans in six of these thirteen cases, Obamacare would be DOA.
Any Republican plan to regain the majority, or even a filibuster proof minority, must focus on the red states to the exclusion of the liberal parts of the country.
Posted by: flenser at November 21, 2009 05:54 PM (yuWvv)
Posted by: eman at November 21, 2009 05:56 PM (fUtqR)
If you looked up feckless-crapweasel in the Websters Dictionary, Voinovich's picture would be displayed prominetly right under the definition.
Posted by: Blazer at November 21, 2009 05:56 PM (+FzLa)
yea, except, the Spartans lost
Yeah, but Greece is still alive.
You selfish prick/sarc
Posted by: hutch1200 at November 21, 2009 09:55 PM (usUEb)
Most of Greece outside of Athens is a third world country. That ain't livin'.
Hell, Athens is a dump.
Posted by: Blazer at November 21, 2009 05:58 PM (+FzLa)
Posted by: eman at November 21, 2009 05:58 PM (fUtqR)
I'm having visions of a con-con. It may be time to start seriously examining that option as we don't have many left.
I hear Mike Church talking about this all the time and still can't wrap my head around it..Is it the states reassertion of the federalist doctine(s) or ???
Help me, remember I'm a product of New Jersey public schools..go slow!
Posted by: dananjcon at November 21, 2009 05:59 PM (sZDwk)
Posted by: mystry at November 21, 2009 06:00 PM (kmgIE)
National debt is 12 Trillion Dollars. I capitalized that because... it's.... big.
That's 1.2% of a QUADRILLION dollars.
And Obama's Democrats just more or less added trillions more in health care costs.
Posted by: Def Leppard at November 21, 2009 06:01 PM (hIOnV)
Most of Greece outside of Athens is a third world country. That ain't livin'.
Hell, Athens is a dump.
To be fair, Athens was never the same after Ares destroyed much of it and Athena (the patron goddess of Athens) was slain shortly afterwords.
Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at November 21, 2009 06:02 PM (otlXg)
It was 300 mil!
Posted by: Def Leppard at November 21, 2009 06:03 PM (hIOnV)
Most of Greece outside of Athens is a third world country. That ain't livin'.
Hell, Athens is a dump.
Much better since the Olympics.
Posted by: hutch1200 at November 21, 2009 06:03 PM (usUEb)
Posted by: hutch1200 at November 21, 2009 06:05 PM (usUEb)
How about Sen Laudreau BRAGGING (on Drudge) that she didn't sell out for a mere 100 mil -
Kinda like sayin I didn't swallow..I spit!
Posted by: dananjcon at November 21, 2009 06:06 PM (sZDwk)
Sort of dananjcon. It could be a lot of thing but would take levels of organizing that we've never seen the likes of in this country. It's basically getting state legislatures to petition Congress to convene to propose and amendment to the Constitution. The Federalism Amendment would be one way to go--essentially attempting to repeal the 16th amendment on income tax.
Hell, I'm a little loopy and I probably didn't explain that right. I'll try later when I have something other than booze in my bloodstream.
Posted by: lacey's 7&7 cup runneth over at November 21, 2009 06:08 PM (Overd)
Drew~
According to Judd Gregg, there is only one more cloture vote, the one to end debate. Evidently, the bill coming out of conference can neither be amended nor filibustered.
The next cloture vote is the ONE.
Posted by: Conservative1st at November 21, 2009 06:08 PM (HXgBV)
How about Sen Laudreau BRAGGING (on Drudge) that she didn't sell out for a mere 100 mil -
Kinda like sayin I didn't swallow..I spit!
Posted by: dananjcon at November 21, 2009 10:06 PM (sZDwk)
heh, kinda like saying,
"No, I didnt suck his cock, I just held it in my mouth until the swelling went down."
Posted by: Blazer at November 21, 2009 06:09 PM (+FzLa)
If so, can Republicans stop this travesty once it's already passed?
Posted by: Def Leppard at November 21, 2009 06:11 PM (hIOnV)
Posted by: radio free america at November 21, 2009 06:14 PM (Uc/xV)
Posted by: Jean at November 21, 2009 06:15 PM (xCBQ4)
It was 300 mil!
Posted by: Def Leppard at November 21, 2009 10:03 PM (hIOnV)
O.K, gotta say, what a cunt!! Sorry, had to be said, even though I hate that word, the shoe fits!! And oprah retires, good riddance. But I guess she will have her own station, or she is her own station, not sure.
Posted by: lou at November 21, 2009 06:15 PM (UbWbu)
339 ok..thank you, if all else fails, I have my pitch fork ready and plenty af ammo!!
Posted by: dananjcon at November 21, 2009 06:19 PM (sZDwk)
Let me thank all the conservatives in Minnesota who were too pure to vote for McCain and stayed home in November 2008, thereby also not voting for Coleman, who should have beat Franken in a runaway..
And a shout-out to the conservative radio and TV personalities who got them thinking that way during the Spring and Summer of 2008, and then in October when they realized what a disaster Obama would be, it was too late to undo what they had started.
Well-done, all of you!
Posted by: Marty at November 21, 2009 06:23 PM (zvTMA)
Posted by: mystry at November 21, 2009 06:26 PM (kmgIE)
Posted by: lou at November 21, 2009 06:26 PM (UbWbu)
The Democrats have always had this warm and fuzzy image. They were the ones that sicced dogs on protesters, they were the ones always attracted to fascism, eugenics and all of the nasty stuff that went out of fashion.
Moreover, Democrats truly lie about what they intend to do. In fact, their base is perfectly comfortable with this deceit in a way that Republicans will not abide, even for strategy. What Republican runs to the left and then governs to the right? Nixon was famously slippery, but I would say that he governed to the left of his campaigning.
One thing I won't let people get away with is blaming this on "politicians". It isn't politicians. It's Democrats and it's non-conservative politicians generally. A genuine conservative may not be perfect, but his constituents will not long abide bad character.
Posted by: AmishDude at November 21, 2009 06:27 PM (T0NGe)
Jean:
One more scenario for killing this....Recall petitions should be started in AR, LA and NE at the least. There is some controversy over whether or not you can recall a sitting U.S. Senator or Rep but if enough signatures were collected it might make them realize they are in serious trouble. The pressure on these Senators needs to come from inside their states.
Posted by: Conservative1st at November 21, 2009 06:30 PM (HXgBV)
It ain't just Minnesota. Lots of people treated their vote like a fat girl treats her virginity. She tells anybody who will listen that they aren't good enough to receive it long after even the most unattractive boys have stopped asking.
When conservatives tell a generally right-leaning politician that he isn't perfect enough to get their vote, he'll go elsewhere and there are plenty of middle-of-the-roaders who are mercurial enough to be convinced to switch.
Posted by: AmishDude at November 21, 2009 06:32 PM (T0NGe)
Posted by: Ohio Dan at November 21, 2009 06:42 PM (RQ+qN)
...because they want to pressure any potentially wavering senators not to change their vote when it actually counts.
Posted by: g at November 21, 2009 06:43 PM (nHvV7)
Hey dudes-
I was never really serious about that whole "Great Satan" schtick but for some reason you seem intent on proving me right.
Knock it off already!
Posted by: Ayatollah Ruhollah etc. at November 21, 2009 06:48 PM (KnIPh)
Although I must admit I like what I hear about this "Barbed Cock" thing and I'm interested in subscribing to its newsletter.
Posted by: Ayatollah Ruhollah etc. at November 21, 2009 06:50 PM (KnIPh)
Ok, if this shitbag bill passes, and in 11 months conservatives take back congress can we repeal this bill, since it doesn't go into effect for like 4 years and we'll only be paying taxes for it until then???
Will it be possible?
Posted by: jaimo at November 21, 2009 06:59 PM (mORTy)
Posted by: jaimo at November 21, 2009 10:59 PM (mORTy)
Perhaps if Obama still isn't President because he would veto any legislation passed by a GOP-led Congress trying to repeal the health care bill. After all, it's highly unlikely that even if the GOP won back control of Congress in 2010 their margin would be enough to override a presidential veto.
I never have faith that a government entitlement/program will ever be repealed because the millions of shiftless losers in this country that like the "free" crap they get from the government will continue to support it by voting for the same morons in Congress that supported this lousy, economy crushing legislation. I'm sick and tired of the lives of the productive members of society being dictated so significantly by the losers that act irresponsibly and can't take care of themselves. It's one thing to help the truly disabled members of our society but those that are lazy, in the country illegally, etc., deserve nothing, especially when it comes at the expense of hard-working Americans.
This whole thing makes me sick to my stomach.
Posted by: Slappy at November 21, 2009 07:16 PM (ljvjO)
Abject, total FEAR.
The full Trig/Bristol Palin, Joe the Plumber treatment to ALL of them. Landrieu, Lincoln, ALL OF THEM.
Find ever dirty thing, underhanded deal, crooked bargain, corrupt arrangement, embarrassing detail, ugly scandal, involving the Senators, their spouses, their children, their business partners, their backers.
Go AFTER THEIR BACKERS. Big Time, as Cheney would say. Boycotts, protests, lawsuits, and publicize ever bit of human failing of their backers and their families. Only massive FEAR and intimidation, coming from an "Army of Davids" can push this thing back.
Lets be honest -- this is about rationing health care for Whites so Mexican nationals who stepped over the border a year ago can have free health care. You, your parents, your spouse, your children, will die ugly, painful deaths easily avoided so someone who came to this nation illegally a short time ago from Mexico gets free health care. So pretty much ANY legal action is morally justified and appropriate.
Because the solution to National Health Care will not be repeal, but a "Whites Only" National Health Care ala the British National Party (which opined that NHS can be saved if only all immigrants who are primarily Pakistani Muslims are kicked out).
Posted by: whiskey at November 21, 2009 07:30 PM (0NyAj)
That's right. Squishes go squishy because we're so mean to them. Insisting they have standards and all.
Posted by: Methos at November 21, 2009 07:31 PM (CoDwG)
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