1 Times offered buyouts to a bunch of staffers two days ago. Next shoe to drop is a bunch of firings/permanent layoffs. Can't happen soon enough.

2 Oh, that paper will never go away.

The democrats have proven they can spend trillions of dollars.  They have tremendous potential to buy enough influence to keep these mainstays alive.  There's simply too much money at stake for these propaganda outlets to be allowed to actually go away.

3 Just last night I was searching for their article about "the summer that wasn't" or some such thing. I think it was run back in last July. Would they have scrubbed it already?

4 I think I'm going to buy some put options on NYT stock tomorrow.  Its gotten well into nosebleed territory.

5 Its gotten well into nosebleed territory. I'm confused. Nosebleed implies high altitude.Is there something particular about the type of option?

6 I never regret the error because I never made it.

I'm going out back to stomp a bunch of bumblebees because according to SCIENTISTS they should not be able to fly

7

At least Bob Herbert will still have his job. He is screwed into the Times like an Affirmative Action bolt.

Too bad he's so pathetically stupid and that he writes expository sentences like old people fuck.

8 he writes expository sentences like old people fuck. Infrequently, fearing a heart attack?

9

You know what got the NYT off on their Global Warming kick, don't you?

It was when that Crushing Afghan Winter that will Starve Millions didn't show up.  They're still waiting for that puppy.

10 It was when that Crushing Afghan Winter that will Starve Millions didn't show up.  They're still waiting for that puppy.

I thought it was the Brutal Afghan Winter

11 Oh, so journalists thinking they know more about everything than anybody else, including those with specific training in an a particular field, isn't a new thing?

12

"The earth is flat. Everyone knows this, the science is settled! Galilei is just a crank, everyone knows that the earth is the center of the universe."

13

It was when that Crushing Afghan Winter that will Starve Millions didn't show up.  They're still waiting for that puppy.

Winston Churchill commented on that kind of promise/prediction like this: "We are waiting for the long promised invasion. So are the fishes."

14 Instead of a record Russian wheat harvest in 1932-33, there were actually upwards of 4 million starvation deaths. The Times regrets the error.

15 The Times regrets the error.

We're keepin' the Pulitzer though.

16 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misirlou :

The Greek word Misirlou refers specifically to a Muslim Egyptian woman (as opposed to a Christian Egyptiotissa); thus this song refers to a cross-faith, cross-race, relationship, a risqué subject at its time.

17 Er, wrong post.

18 My new favorite team is anyone playing Notre Dame

19 Oh, so journalists thinking they know more about everything than anybody else, including those with specific training in an a particular field, isn't a new thing?

We'd be a lot better off with they would simply report the news of the day, rather than attempting to "speak truth", or "discomfort the comfortable", and any of that non-sense.

20

21 Tom in Korea,

comes with the inherent narcissism necessary for Joe or Jane Newsie to think that not only do they have a better grasp of any topic than people actually in the topic for a living, but that they are imbued with superior senses and powers of reason and observation than their audience.....

see Gumbel, Bryant

21 Dec 26th 1919: Babe Ruth sold to NY Yankees. NY Times says fat man will never make good in NY. Yankess will have to move to Weehaken NJ for new stadium!

22 Not long before christmas, and today is friday. mmmmmm, might have to get pissed later.

23 The NYT along with Obama media will be bought by this Censor President.

Congress already handed over the US Treasury to the Federal Reserve banker monopoly. Now Congress is about to hand over the nation's purse strings to the Chief Executive. H.R. 4173, the Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act of 2009 would codify into law a bailout clause that authorizes the president to spend money without going through the appropriations phase. Beyond eliminating Congressional debate over the merits of whether tax funds should be spent, this Congress is unconstitutionally relinquishing its Constitutional budget control requirement to the Chief Executive, eliminating separation of powers while bloating the presidency into the position of a dictator who literally owns the  media, destroying free speech with the iron grip of Marx. The President can dictate ideology and curriculum, and fund only his obedient researchers.

24

Hey everyone...wanna get pissed some more at this gubmint?

If you have a FUCKING POND in your backyard...it will be under federal control

Check out the Clean Water Restoration Act (CWRA)

Under the Clean Water Act the Federal government only had the authority to regulate “navigable waters” and control the discharge of pollutants and dredge and fill activities within those navigable waters.

The so-called Clean Water RESTORATION Act restores nothing. That is a hoax. Instead it removes the restrictive and limiting terms “navigable” waters and unconstitutionally extends the Federal regulatory authority over ALL waters of the United States. This includes the driest desert areas that may only hold water for a few weeks a year during summer monsoon rains. And it includes completely isolated prairie potholes (small ponds and marshes) with no connection whatsoever to any other waters.

25

26 BeeDubya,

it has been trending this way since the glorious reign of the Sonny King Billiam Jeffery the Worst.....

EPA can take your ranch for having a cross-pollinating "endangered plant" that you show by sampling was randomly carried in on an animal or something....happened back in '94 in Iowa....

they ran out the clock by bankrupting the hobby rancher with court costs the plant had died so EPA eventually wound up selling the land or "leasing it" to a condo developer.

Which was likely the intent all along.

 

Seems a lot like Kelo come to think of it, "hey we need to destroy your house for economic prosperity" that never gets built.

The democrats need tarred and feathered and the GOP elite need forced to watch since Dubya didn't slay the beast when we had total power......

 

see McCain Juan, and the Maine Pains.

26 Ah, but the underlying theme from the Times is being missed here. You see they are paying penance for the days when they used to allow "flat earther" types to survive on their staff, back before the days of speaking truth to news. Back in the ancient times when reporters were required to have articles supported by sources with some type of agenda which wasn't political. They weren't printing a retraction for the subject matter of the article, the content of it, how it was written, or the fact that it was published in all the news that's fit to read; they were retracting the antiquated philosophy they used to hold to which allowed people to have opinions on the staff which differed from the goal of the newspaper and it's underlying theme. Today that theme is to report only the news that supports the current paradigm.

27 I thought it was the Brutal Afghan Winter

Either way, the Army was smart enough to bring a sweater.  Ivy League J-school students still can't figure that out, can they?

28

EPA can take your ranch for having a cross-pollinating "endangered plant" that you show by sampling was randomly carried in on an animal or something....happened back in '94 in Iowa....

they ran out the clock by bankrupting the hobby rancher with court costs the plant had died so EPA eventually wound up selling the land or "leasing it" to a condo developer.

Yer fucking kidding...got a link?

 

29

30 BeeDubya,

Did a paper on it back in college in '95 IIRC....I look back into it.

It blew my mind, then when we took back the House and Senate both I figured "property rights will be saved".....

then Bush didn't fight Kelo and I realized "the majority of our leaders are in on the scam"......

 

I didn't find it on the internet I researched it using microfiche I wish I had had the money and time to go interview people about it.

30 Hmm. I believe that the basic educational requirement to be a journalist is a B.A. in...er...Journalism. Not in any sciences, economics, engineering, or anything else useful. Some of them might have taken courses or even have degrees in said subjects, but I'm confident that the number of working journalists with real, extensive professional experience in any of the fields they regularly opine upon is very, very low. I guess the rest of them figure that their required minor in Arrogance Studies will always pull them through. Not so much, kiddies...

31 Funny, considering that today, this knowledge... escape velocity... is "ladled out daily in high schools". Objects in flight are a standard high school physics problem. Sometimes it's a tennis ball. Other times it's one of those fancy-smancy "moon rockets".

32

http://tinyurl.com/y9m2sv5

 

Here's DoD hopping on the train....

 

saw the same game played at Fort Polk which was supposed to get a Stryker Brigade but the Sierra Clubbers were aghast at "ruining the beautiful Vernon Parish landscape"(which hists the JRTC which in turn has armored brigades going through repeatedly but I digress)

so they ginned up a case, the Dept of the Army had granted the Interior rights to an area that had housed an airborn base in the '40s so interior fought any expansion of the existing training area, the Stryker Brigade was "sent"(not really since it hadn't stood up yet)to Fort Lewis Washington and a base that REALLY doesn't have heavy forces on it....but they didn't want it there either so it wound up going to Germany......

long story short Fort Polk turned their light cav independent brigade into a typical Light Infantry one and the local community's economic boon that would have put a spare 30 million or so in play in the local economy wound up being more like 2.4 million.....

fun with lawyers

33 It's not so much that the NYT claims to be super-smart science-y experts, it's that they think they're super-smart about who they <i>anoint</i> as experts.

As in: "To claim that it would be is to deny a fundamental law of dynamics, and only Dr. Einstein and his chosen dozen, so few and fit, are licensed to do that."

Interesting factoid: most newspapers at the time took the NYT's lead and treated Goddard as a kook (and the NYT took shots at Goddard more times than the one mentioned at AstronauticsNow) and yet the man they considered the bravest, smartest living super-hero of the time, Charles Lindbergh, was a great supporter of Goddard -- corresponding with him often over a long period of time and even going out on a limb to help him find funding for his R&D.

See, the problem (for the editors of the NYT) with Goddard wasn't that they thought his science was wrong (they, obviously, had no clue about that), it was that he was a single-minded son-of-a-bitch who didn't act the way they thought a quirky, genius inventor should act.

It always has been, and always will be, about the narrative.

34

morn' morons o/t but..you know

time to fire up the torches and sharpen those pitch forks

http://tinyurl.com/y9weqmq

35

35 Starless,

Can't wait to see what the "narrative" will be when we are destroyed by whichever Extinction Level Event since the moonbats killed the Space Program's funding percentages back in the '70s....

You'd think a bunch of people who get scared of the ingredients in poprocks making the oceans rise would grasp man's goal should be hedging our bets and colonizing space.

36

36,

That's only going to get worse....sooner or later a new reality will establish itself for the private sector wage wise.....

 

the Federal and State employees get to pick a number thanks to their unions and printing press economics.

37 Correctin at the speed of lig....glaciers....

#32, seriously, I think you have it backwards.  Most "journalists" have taken a few courses in the hard sciences, which gives them the false confidence to think that other minimally trained "scientists" that side with them "settle the science."  These superficial pseudo-thinkers never get far enough into programs to know what real science is, and how many mistakes and false impressions, and how much diversity of opinion there can be on a given phenomenon.

Which is another way of saying today's "journalists" are arrogant know-nothings who can be easily manipulated by anyone willing to give them a little....

38 O/T:   CNBC keeps showing a graphic this morning.  It askes the American people, "who do you trust".  No group got more than 20% with Congress and Wall Street running next to last and last.  The fed and Treasury beat them, but still not by more than 20%.  However,  the group that more than 77% of Americans trust is the military.

39 Retail sales are coming out momentarily.   In a lot of offices people are taking bets.

40

40 curious,

it's the oath thing and the fact that the military quite obviously suffers because of their oath but does it with grace and aplomb....

 

I do have a serious question though....

If it is established by ACORN, the SEIU, Soros, and the mules that we are to live in a "entitled's benign dictatorship" with them at the helm what is the moral argument against us having a military junta take over at that point?

There is a dark part of my soul that thinks the reason the donks seem oblivious to the suicidal bent of their current actions is they think the fix is in.

 

41 Retail sales, less autos, up 1.2%
Retail sales Ex autos and gas up 0.6%
gain in electronic sales
clothing sales down
Advance retail sales up 1.3%
Per Betty on Bloomberg....

42 Interesting..American Eagle deemed Piper Jaffrey's favorite retail stock....
Anecdotally, you can't keep something in your cart on that site for more than a few seconds.  You have to buy or it disappears.  Particularly during lunch hours.
Electronics sales are majorly up...

43

I'm reading one of my son's text books: The Long Loneliness, Autobiography of the social activist Dorthy Day. I like to do this to gauge and counteract marxist nonsense forced down my kids' throats. The first half is set 1915-1920, mainly in NY. She is a socialist journalist and it appears that every other journalist is either a socialist, a communist, an anarchist. They looked down on the marxists for being too regimented.

The NYT has a long history of altering facts to support the overthrow of democracy and support communism. I wonder what the angle was against Goddard? Was he perhaps, not a socialist?

44 Posted by: sven10077 at December 11, 2009 08:29 AM (dCpk3)

Sven, it is truly a fascinating chart, I really hope people here pick up on this and discuss it, I would be curious what everyone thinks.

45 "The Evidence Is In: The V-Shaped Recovery Is Looking W-Shaped"

46 Re EPA "Wetlands" and "Navigable"

I posted this on the ONT.  SCOTUS rolled the EPA back a few years ago which is why the libtard idiots want to remove Navigable from the law. That term "navigable" is the only thing that makes the clean water act constitutional.

564 The case for those interested in it.

http://tinyurl.com/ydjjbel

Note that this was only possible after both Roberts and Alito were appointed.

47 "NYC Homeowners Flip Out Over Goldman's Restricted Pay Bonuses And What It Means For Condo Sales"
This is the first thing I thought of yesterday when I heard this bonus stuff.  Nothing operates in a vacuum, everything impacts everything else.  The real estate market there can't recover without WS running out and spending those bonuses on houses.

48 Now BOT/

The MSM commenting on science issues is the same as rock star HS drop-outs commenting on science. They both comprise the element of the least knowledgeable people in the country, therefore they feal like they are imminently qualified to comment on it.

49 This is interesting.

50 37 Sven,

To be fair (and I'm not letting the Demicrats off the hook here, but) Nixon did more to kill space program finding in the '70s than probably anyone else.

45 dagny,

LOL. Goddard definitely was not a Socialist. He patented just about every single thing he ever invented and he aggressively defended those patents -- in an early Bill Gates vs. Silicon Valley micro-computer hobbyist hippies sort of way. IIRC, his obsession with money came from his family falling from wealthy to poor when he was a boy. So, strike one for Goddard in the NYT's eyes.

Additionally, and probably more important than the NYT's own science ignorance and desire to find another Einstein, was that Goddard's territorialism and general son-of-a-bitchness meant that he did not play well with his scientific colleagues, so there was no shortage of scientists willing to back-stab him solely because they didn't like him personally. So the NYT could in all truthfullness write lines like, "Most physicists agree that what Dr. Goddard proposes is impossible".

51 Yup, trust the settled science! I mean, everyone knows that ulcers are caused by stress. Totally stress, nothing else. Right up until they handed out that Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine in 2005 for the discovery that ulcers are caused by helicobacter pylori and not stress.

How long were ulcers known? How well established was the treatment? For pity's sake, how many times did people make a comment to the effect of "stop worrying, you'll give yourself an ulcer." And then two guys come along, study it some more and turn the entire understanding upside down.

Every time that someone claims that "the science is settled" in any field, that springs to mind. It may be settled, sure, but it may be settled incorrectly.

52 The Grey Lady will always have Duranty

53

The NYT should be made to wear a big, pointy construction paper cap and sit on a chair in the corner. 

I have noticed that the screaming hard left progressives at my local newspaper site are still parroting the AGW mantra verbatim and calling people stupid for not believing it (its because Fox news, that yellow journalism site for knuckle draggers has challenged AGW??, but it's all Fox news' fault).  Perhaps they should be made to wear big, pointy construction paper caps as well.

It shall be fun -- I have baited my comment there, and am waiting for the response/bite.  I'm as positive as a scientist who has cooked his data to follow his theory that I shall get the correct response.

54

52 Starless,

The Dickster was PotUS the budget is the Legislature's baby....

Dickster's error was in not wanting to fight them on their decision....

 

Mondull's error besides being born was believing "I cannot understand why it is seen as a plus for America that we have men in space while any person goes hungry or homeless".....

the donks wanted that Great Society Vibe back.....

 

Dickster is responsible for the other "slightly OT" in the thread as well....without his political cunning we would not be straddled with the EPA.

55 I had hopes that the Mexican Billionairre would clean that paper up

56 A friend of mine said "the facebook kid" is somehow related to the NYT's family.  Now they tell me a lot of things as a joke so don't know if they are playin me or not.  But that would be interesting.

57 Posted by: curious at December 11, 2009 08:26 AM (p302b)

Gallup publishes this poll every year and the military always at the top by significant margins.

http://tinyurl.com/mo6z3t

I imagine when they conduct it next year that "surge of confidence" in the presidency will have been wiped out if not reversed.

58 Yup, trust the settled science! I mean, everyone knows that ulcers are caused by stress. Totally stress, nothing else. Right up until they handed out that Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine in 2005 for the discovery that ulcers are caused by helicobacter pylori and not stress the appendix

59 Problem solved...figured out who is buying all those big screen tv's:  "For feds, more get 6-figure salaries".............Vizio thanks them....The salaries on Wall Street and the Insurance industry have dropped precipitously, per anecdotal evidence of people complaining.  But then they say "well at least I have a job'...guess the smart thing was to go and work for the government..

60 56 Sven,

Sorry, but I gotta respectfully disagree. Nixon needed to ask for the money and direct NASA to continue ramping up things like human spaceflight. He didn't. Instead, at his direction, the last three Apollo flights were cancelled and funding was crammed into the flying pick-up truck known as the Shuttle Transportation System. Nixon needed money for Vietnam and triangulation and messing around in space at the same time was too much. I know there were plenty of Demicrat legislators more than happy to go along with Nixon's plan, so as I said before, I'm not letting them off the hook.

To add to that, I'm the first (and one of the only as far I've seen) people to say that GWB did the most since Johnson to get humans back to the moon.

61 AoSHQ awarded funniest blog.

62 AoSHQ awarded funniest blog. Psst! It's upside down.

63 I should have indicated "third funniest blog."  They are listed in a descending order instead of ascending. Please forgive the error.  I do not work for the New York Times.

64 The "discovery" that ulcers were caused by helicobacter pylori was by an Australian pathologist (in the outback or something - not a granted researcher by a working medical doctor) IIRC. While, helicobacter pylori is the major source for ulcers, stress can still cause them. 

65

Shocking development!  LGF voted Most Overrated Blog.

66 Thank God, your OB-GYN can now use Global Warming Science! Top 5 Causes For What's Growing Inside Your Womb Take that, deniers!

67

Last year this blog tied with Iowahawk for the funniest. Now, has Iowahawk gotten funnier (of course he has, but how is that possible?) or is it ALL YOU RACISTS FAULT, you decide. "IMAO--what's that?"--Charlie Gibson.

Odd how the status of LGF changed in just a year month week. 

I don't think it's fair to blame ulcers on helicopters. Except VH-71.

68 Psst! It's upside down.

Posted by: prompter at December 11, 2009 09:19 AM (4Kl5M)

So is AoSHQ so that works.

69

I don't think it's fair to blame ulcers on helicopters. Except VH-71.

Posted by: comatus at December 11, 2009 09:36 AM (/VEEI)

 

Helicopters can cause strees, especially the black ones that hover over peoples houses.

70 37 Sven (to answer this one before I go out into the -9F globally warmed weather)

"Can't wait to see what the 'narrative' will be when we are destroyed by whichever Extinction Level Event"

Republican Policies Fail to Protect Earth

71 BURBERRY Scarf | CD Keys

72 That ulcer finding just killed sales of helicobacter pylori, helicobacter pylori lite, and crystal helicobacter pylori. 

73 So they waited until three days before THE FUCKING MOON LANDING to say "Whoops!" If only there were an equivalent event for Climategate. "Check it out, the Arctic Circle isn't a steaming puddle" isn't quite the same gotcha moment as "One small step."

74 Timely and on-topic:

I was on Wikipedia looking up some info on the human appendix for my daughter's homework, and (apart from finding out that new research says that the appendix actually has a biological function -- I'll not spoil it for you) a banner testimonial for Wikipedia donations came up that stated:

"As a professional scientist, Wikipedia is my go-to source for ideas and concepts new to me."  And it's signed "William Knecht."

At times like this, I wish I could post a Thomas Dolby .mp3 to this board: "SCIENCE!"

75
There's a larger lesson in the Goddard article.  The 1920 assertion about "something better than a vacuum against which to react" is a nearly perfect illustration of rationalization.  People ignorant of classical physics can be tricked into believing that thrust will not work without a medium to "push against."  If you plant that picture in an untrained person's mind's eye, then, even though it is an incomplete explanation and ultimately false, the person gets a little internal ego boost from "understanding" something new or "knowing" something he didn't know before.

This rationalization is magical thinking.  It relies on what *conceivably* *ought* to be and gives the "thinker" a comfortable resting place that he fancies to have "achieved" on his own and from which he will happily cast stones at others who so obviously were deprived of his gifts.

This is why we are supposed to use the scientific method.

Belief in AGW or socialism is rejection of reality.

76 Sock off.

77 75 Treacher

And nine years after the federal gov't publicly admitted prior infringement of Goddard's rocket patents and paid his estate (they couldn't very well give him the satisfaction while he was still alive) a million dollars.

78 The NYT has thrived in an ethical and intellectual "vacuum" for years.

79

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